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Title: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 14 Jan 2009, 10:11
Lost season 5 starts in one week! It's been a long wait, but finally it's coming back!

Thoughts, discussion, theories etc...

We'll keep with the format of the last thread, spoilers will be considered fair game the day after an episode airs (Not an after it airs for you, account for timezones, people), but please shrink fonts on spoiler related speculation for the sake of others (HAR HAR OTHERS) who want to try and figure shit out on their own.

For substance's sake, here are two sneak peaks of "Because You Left:"

Sneak Peak #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzJBeWKKFEA)

Sneak Peak #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PvsM5Qm50A)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 14 Jan 2009, 10:24
Between this and BSG on Friday, I'm dangerously close to nerdgasming.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: SilentJ on 14 Jan 2009, 12:17
Every time I think about this show, I am puzzled as to why I keep watching.  I mean, it is seriously awful.  That aside it is sooo goooood.

I'm curious how much of the next two seasons are going to take place on the island at all.  Like, we see how the Oceanic 6 get off the island, and we've got a good idea of who's left on the island, so we've all but reached the point of the flash-forwards, so I'm guessing these next two seasons are going to focus on Jack and Ben getting Locke's body back to the island, but apart from that I have no idea how they're going to use the rest of the time they've got.

But let's be serious.  If anybody can stretch a simple plotline into two seasons, it's Lindelof, Cuse, and Abrams.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 14 Jan 2009, 12:19
This next season is going to end with the island plotline and Oceanic Six plotline coming together in 2009. It might go even faster than that, but it won't go any slower.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 14 Jan 2009, 13:33
I am ridiculously excited.

I have heard that around half or more of the premiere focuses on the on-Island people.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 14 Jan 2009, 22:30
There'll definitely still be a lot of on-island focus throughout the season. I'm sure of it. There's too many unresolved plot points to avoid the place for even most of a season. Also, it's not just that Jack and Ben have to get Locke's body to the island. Everybody has to be brought back and I can imagine a lot of time will be spent tracking those people down and convincing them of what has to be done. Also...can't Ben not go back? So he can help them set up their return but according to him, he can't return.
Also, I really think Lost is a genuinely good show. I mean, I honestly don't see it as one of those "awful but good" kind of things. It's just...really good (some of the acting and the totally out of place (for the most part) and lamely handled romances aside, and despite the existence of Kate (one of the most insufferable characters I've ever encountered on screen and no, that's not hyperbole)). Anyway, they're going to have to focus their time on and off island in pretty even amounts, I think, in order for the two to neatly converge at the end of the season, as I'm sure they will.
All that being said, I'm embarrassingly excited for this to begin. Three hour premier! Whoo!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 14 Jan 2009, 23:23
There was a good bit of quality fluctuation until Season 4.  That's when they really stepped up and delivered something that is solid and enduring, with its own internal mythos and a fantastic cast.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 15 Jan 2009, 05:25
FUCK! Im only 3/4s through Season 2!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 15 Jan 2009, 06:20
Then you'd better get on that!

Three hour premier! Whoo!

Three hours?!  OMG yes!  I can't wait for this!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 15 Jan 2009, 06:51
FUCK! Im only 3/4s through Season 2!

Man, if my dad can blow through the entire series in a matter of weeks, you should be able to catch up quick enough.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 15 Jan 2009, 08:47
Then you'd better get on that!

Three hour premier! Whoo!

Three hours?!  OMG yes!  I can't wait for this!

To be fair, one hour is a full series recap.

Also, I do agree with Jackie in the sense that the show has gotten consistently stronger with each season. I think all the actors have really grown together in a lot of ways and become not only stronger and more convincing individually but as a cohesive ensemble as well. It also helped that they have killed off a lot of the weaker actors. As much as I dislike a few of the existing characters, it's because they're convincing in their role and I find the character they're playing unlikeable. Luckily, since last season and the remaining seasons are shorter, there's very little space for the filler episodes which cropped up far to often in earlier seasons. Anyway I have really high hopes for this new season since I'm expecting the increase in quality to continue to the end. I'm a tad concerned that there are too many questions to answer in 34 episodes and that things might get a little cluttered or rushed but I have confidence in the writers and producers as well so it's not a genuine worry. It's just that thinking over the list of things that have to be explained at this point, I get a little dizzy.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 15 Jan 2009, 08:50
I'll be honest, I still miss Charlie.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Fluxuation on 15 Jan 2009, 10:53
Every time I think about this show, I am puzzled as to why I keep watching.  I mean, it is seriously awful.  That aside it is sooo goooood.

I'm curious how much of the next two seasons are going to take place on the island at all.  Like, we see how the Oceanic 6 get off the island, and we've got a good idea of who's left on the island, so we've all but reached the point of the flash-forwards, so I'm guessing these next two seasons are going to focus on Jack and Ben getting Locke's body back to the island, but apart from that I have no idea how they're going to use the rest of the time they've got.

But let's be serious.  If anybody can stretch a simple plotline into two seasons, it's Lindelof, Cuse, and Abrams.


I dont know how spoiler worthy my response is since it's been mentioned by Lindelof and Cuse themselves several times, but...

they've said several times that the oceanic six (including locke) will be back on the island sometime in the middle of this season. they arent going to spend too much time trying to get them back on.

also, Abrams hasn't really had anything to do with Lost since the pilot episode.

I am super excited for the season premiere.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Fluxuation on 15 Jan 2009, 10:55
Then you'd better get on that!

Three hour premier! Whoo!

Three hours?!  OMG yes!  I can't wait for this!

To be fair, one hour is a full series recap.

Also, I do agree with Jackie in the sense that the show has gotten consistently stronger with each season. I think all the actors have really grown together in a lot of ways and become not only stronger and more convincing individually but as a cohesive ensemble as well. It also helped that they have killed off a lot of the weaker actors. As much as I dislike a few of the existing characters, it's because they're convincing in their role and I find the character they're playing unlikeable. Luckily, since last season and the remaining seasons are shorter, there's very little space for the filler episodes which cropped up far to often in earlier seasons. Anyway I have really high hopes for this new season since I'm expecting the increase in quality to continue to the end. I'm a tad concerned that there are too many questions to answer in 34 episodes and that things might get a little cluttered or rushed but I have confidence in the writers and producers as well so it's not a genuine worry. It's just that thinking over the list of things that have to be explained at this point, I get a little dizzy.

Cuse and Lindelof have both said not everything is going to be answered. the big questions for sure will, but a lot of the little parts of the mythos will probably go unanswered.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2009, 12:02
For example, I can't think of any explanation for the four-toed statue that wouldn't be utterly retarded.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 15 Jan 2009, 12:49
I'm a tad concerned that there are too many questions to answer in 34 episodes and that things might get a little cluttered or rushed but I have confidence in the writers and producers as well so it's not a genuine worry. It's just that thinking over the list of things that have to be explained at this point, I get a little dizzy.

They know how much time they have and they know what they need to do. In fact, they bargained for that much time and no more. I have faith it'll be wrapped up agreeably.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 Jan 2009, 06:51
Under twelve hours to go!

FUUUUUUUUUCK!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: LukeSimm on 21 Jan 2009, 08:11
Urgh, one of the reasons I hate being in the UK; it will take longer for me to be able to watch lost. I've been an avid fan ever since season one. I initatly watched it and thought "It's pretty cool", but when the eposide came on which revealed Locke's being in a wheelchair, I was blown away.

Of course I could always download *shock horror* lost, but bit torrent takes to long, and is... *hushed whispers* illegal.

--- Luke
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Harun on 21 Jan 2009, 09:38
^ You can't watch the videos ABC puts up on their site the day after they air? I don't know if ABC lets people outside the US watch them, but if they don't then that's too bad.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 21 Jan 2009, 14:00
They don't
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 Jan 2009, 20:02
Fuck! Another week?! FUCK!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 21 Jan 2009, 21:29
It was soooo good! They should just play them all at once so I can be happy. I love this show and it just gets so much better.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 21 Jan 2009, 23:45
It was good.  It was REAL good.  Having Faraday be such a pivotal character was an amazing choice.  I was all "HOLY FUCK" when they showed him with the original Dharma crew.  And now we know that Desmond is somehow "special" and can exist outside "the rules"... fuck.  And I seriously LOL'd at the bit near the end where Hurley summed up the entire show so far to his mom in about two minutes.  And also I have a pretty good guess about Richard and his seeming agelessness now.

Also nice touch with Neil wearing a red shirt and getting killed, but Sawyer borrowed one of his shirts - which was also red - leading us to fear or suspect that Sawyer is marked for doom... which makes me sad.

Also, the last few minutes.  WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 22 Jan 2009, 07:22
Could Hawking be Faraday's mother? He told Desmond to go find his mother so she has to be someone important which probably means we've already encountered her. As we've seen, Hawking knows about weird anomalies and fate and so on and she's British and she was writing equations all over a black board and doing crazy experiments just like Daniel and...well yeah. Maybe that's reading too much into it but it seems possible, no?

Jackie, good point about the Sawyer thing. To be honest, I've expected Sawyer to eventually die for a long time now. I'm pretty sure he still will. Maybe this was some clever little way the writers are suggesting this.

Who is the baby in Chang's (i.e. Candle's) house on the island? It has to be important in some way. Could it have been born on the island? My guess is no since babies and their mothers die during the birth. Who knows when this began but it's likely it was a still a problem when the DI was around. So the baby is probably from off-island and has to be someone important or important in some way (I think) which makes me think maybe, just maybe, it's Charlotte, since she had to be on the island in the past at some point. I dunno, potentially hairbrained but it's a theory.

Also, did Faraday cause the first 'incident' by drilling into that wall in the Orchid intentionally? Methinks yes. Soooo I'm going to rewatch these two and come up with more crazy theories but that's what I have for now.

One final awesome moment: Sayid killing that guy by kicking open the dishwasher and knocking him back onto all the knives. Holy shit!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 22 Jan 2009, 08:45
Desmond is only special because he is currently existing in both places at once. He is one of the people that got off the island that they can still talk to on the island. So when Faraday tells him something that is in the past, it will come into memory in their present. It is a really smart idea.

The lady at the end of the episode also appeared when Desmond bought the ring for Penny. Now I wonder when she told him it wasn't right before if she knew all this already happened because of the time travel, her possible connection to Faraday and now to Ben. It's getting deeper and deeper. I am so hooked again.

Also, the baby might have been born on the island. We don't know how long that babies and mothers h ave died on the island. IT could have not happened until the power was released. But now the hatch makes sense. Why someone would have to push that button. An infinite power is alot to control.

I can't wait till next week!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: SilentJ on 22 Jan 2009, 09:25
And now we know that Desmond is somehow "special" and can exist outside "the rules"... fuck.

I thought we already did know that?  At least, when Faraday said that to him, I instantly thought back to that episode where the people from the freighter were going crazy and bleeding from like their entire goddamn face because of a disconnect with the past.  If you remember, Desmond was Faraday's constant, and so I thought there was a connection between that phenomenon and this time travel now.

I mean, granted, when I first remembered the older episode, I thought it was about time travel, and I only just remembered what tjhe episode was actually about.  But, I still think the connection could be there.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Fluxuation on 22 Jan 2009, 10:30
Unless the baby was adopted I dont think it was Charlotte. Pierre Chang and his wife were both asian. Charlotte has red hair and not asian. Also, unless the baby was taken off the Island before the purge it is dead. So theres a good chance the baby is not important at all.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 22 Jan 2009, 12:46
Could Hawking be Faraday's mother?

It seems obvious, but also quite possible.  The mother of a crazy-smart scientist is named Hawking?  That's very Lost-y.

What I find more interesting is how downright evil she seemed.  She's got Benjamin Linus whipped.   :-o
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 22 Jan 2009, 12:57
Unless the baby was adopted I dont think it was Charlotte. Pierre Chang and his wife were both asian.

The baby could be Miles...
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Jan 2009, 13:10
It was good.  It was REAL good.  Having Faraday be such a pivotal character was an amazing choice.  I was all "HOLY FUCK" when they showed him with the original Dharma crew.  And now we know that Desmond is somehow "special" and can exist outside "the rules"... fuck.  And I seriously LOL'd at the bit near the end where Hurley summed up the entire show so far to his mom in about two minutes.  And also I have a pretty good guess about Richard and his seeming agelessness now.

Also nice touch with Neil wearing a red shirt and getting killed, but Sawyer borrowed one of his shirts - which was also red - leading us to fear or suspect that Sawyer is marked for doom... which makes me sad.

As soon as I saw that beard with the obscured face, I knew it had to be Faraday and I started hopping up and down in excitement in front of Rachel and Jimmy. I fucking love Faraday.

I also loved the Hurley summary, but I think the absolute best line of the show was "Why is there a dead Pakistani on my couch?!"

My first observation of Frogurt was his red shirt. All through his constant whining all I was saying was "Thank fuck this annoying dipshit has a red shirt. He's dead by the end of the premiere, guaranteed.

Could Hawking be Faraday's mother? He told Desmond to go find his mother so she has to be someone important which probably means we've already encountered her. As we've seen, Hawking knows about weird anomalies and fate and so on and she's British and she was writing equations all over a black board and doing crazy experiments just like Daniel and...well yeah. Maybe that's reading too much into it but it seems possible, no?

That was my first thought, as well. They're both English and she's certainly old enough to fit the idea. I'd lay heavy odds on it. If not, we're certainly supposed to be guessing as much.

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Who is the baby in Chang's (i.e. Candle's) house on the island? It has to be important in some way. Could it have been born on the island? My guess is no since babies and their mothers die during the birth. Who knows when this began but it's likely it was a still a problem when the DI was around.

I don't think it's all that relevant. Don't forget, it's conception on the island, not births. Claire gave birth to Aaron just fine because he was conceived before she ended up on the island, and there were questions about Ji Yeon's parentage because the D.O.C. would effect whether Sun would or would not die due to her pregnancy. Judging by the fact Dr. Chang was actually recording Dharma orientation videos and the construction of the stations was still in progress, it is likely that Chang has only been on the island for a month or two at most, meaning the baby wouldn't be effected, since it would've had to have been conceived at least ten months or so ago.

Desmond is only special because he is currently existing in both places at once. He is one of the people that got off the island that they can still talk to on the island. So when Faraday tells him something that is in the past, it will come into memory in their present. It is a really smart idea.

It's not because he exists in both places at once. That could, conceivably, occur with the survivors of 815. He's special because he was at the center of the anomaly when it exploded. This was covered way back in season 3.

Who wants to bet that Danielle's crew shows up this season?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 22 Jan 2009, 13:59
Rousseau's crew will probably be a part of the season at some point. That seems pretty likely. I also think it would be cool/possible for them to go all the way back to the time the Black Rock ended up on the island.

Were the people who fired the flaming arrows Dharma? The British guy, Jones, who took Sawyer and Juliette prisoner, was wearing a jumpsuit with name tags like the Dharma ones but it's hard to tell. Also, I'm not sure they're the same people as the arrow firers since they had guns. So...were the arrow firers the Others?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Dotes on 23 Jan 2009, 21:39
It looks like time travel will be a huge part of the story from this point on, or at least during this season. I liked how they handled Desmond's experiences with it, but I am still a little concerned. I usually hate movies or books that focus on time-travel.

More than anything else, I want to know more about Locke. I'm wondering what exactly happened over the three-year timeskip, and I'm wondering what's going to happen to him when he gets back to the island. When I first heard that Locke had to go back to the island with Ben and the Oceanic Six, the first thing I thought about was Christian Shephard's empty casket in season one. When Locke gets back to the island, I'm just assuming he will come back to life, but will he be himself, or a figure more like Christian and Claire, apparently subject to the island's will?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 24 Jan 2009, 08:54
I'm reasonably certain three years didn't pass for the Islanders before Jeremy Bentham left in search of the Six. Maybe a few days at most.

I love the use of the time travel mechanic to explore the island's past and revisit old characters already, though. This is already one of my favorite uses of time travel in the history of sci-fi.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Dotes on 24 Jan 2009, 12:12
I'm not saying that it was 3 years before Locke left. But there's a three-year timeskip between the two stories being told right now and I'm wondering what Locke's part in it was.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 24 Jan 2009, 12:50
Was I the oly one endlessly amused by another hilariously brutal death for a random very minor character.

Arst's spontaneous explosion, Nikki and Paolo's burial alive, and now Frogurt getting shot by a fucking flaming arrow. I love this show.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 24 Jan 2009, 15:04
Correction: Like six flaming arrows. You're not alone, I was waiting, from the outset of him showing up, for his inevitable ridiculously brutal death.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: SilentJ on 24 Jan 2009, 22:29
I wan't necessarily waiting for it to happen, but god damn if his death wasn't really gratifying.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: quantum_insanity on 25 Jan 2009, 00:37
Waaa I'm going to have to wait at least 6 months before it airs here. :(

The thing is I don't even like the show.  I liked the first series, but I hated the second series and the way it was all basically the same thing over and over again from different perspectives.  And it's so very frustrating the way nothing gets resolved and the questions just keep mounting.
I have to keep watching to see what happens, but I'm sure all the little things (especially stuff from the first couple of seasons) wont get resolved and that's just going to annoy the hell out of me. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 25 Jan 2009, 13:01
I couldn't disagree more, personally. For me, Lost is one of those shows that keeps getting better and better. Each new season adds a whole new layer to the show (from the initial shock of the crash/trying to survive to dealing with the hatch and all that entailed, from the hatch to the Others as a primary part of the show, then from there to the Oceanic 6 and flash forwards and now time travel and trying to return). The characters have gotten stronger, the acting better, the more annoying characters weeded out (thank god Ann Lucia died. It was a shock when she was killed but I'm SO glad she's off the show) and so on. Yes, each season thus far has raised far more questions than answered but it makes the show one that sticks with you. It invites and demands heated debated with friends the second the credits role after each episode. You have to pay attention to catch everything and it's almost puzzle-like in the way it uses hints and suggestion. For me, the number of unanswered questions just makes the show more exciting and engaging.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 25 Jan 2009, 13:49
Finally finished seasons 1-4.  Now I am ready for 5.  Locke is amazing though, easily my fav char.  Ben also grew on me in seasons 3 and 4, such an addictive show.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 28 Jan 2009, 19:51
Holy crap holy crap holy crap.  Lost was amazing!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 28 Jan 2009, 19:53
Oh man yes. SO good!

So um...spoilers for those of you who haven't seen the episode:


Hawking is definitely Daniel's mom. She has to be!
Could Widmore be his father? The reason I ask: it seems pretty clear that "Ellie," the Other escorting Daniel around the bomb, was Hawking and she and Widmore were around the same age and both Others at that time. It seems possible...

The pillar Locke's father was tied too way back in season 3, that would be the bomb covered up with concrete methinks.

We're getting into the territory of self fulfilling prophecies here. Richard goes to see Locke as a child b/c Locke as an adult came back in time and told Richard that he was going to be the leader and to go see him as a child. Widmore was on the island to see this as well. For some reason he wanted to get Locke to the island in the first place so he sent Abaddon to send Locke on the walkabout which resulted in him being on 815. Hawking is all into time travel as an adult b/c as a young woman Daniel came back in time and talked about time travel to her, getting her interested in how it could be possible. There's more too...just speculation of course but seems possible...

Finally, more random speculation that came from nowhere, we don't know how long the Others have been on the island. Could they have come in the Black Rock?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 29 Jan 2009, 02:00
Hawking is definitely Daniel's mom. She has to be!
Could Widmore be his father? The reason I ask: it seems pretty clear that "Ellie," the Other escorting Daniel around the bomb, was Hawking and she and Widmore were around the same age and both Others at that time. It seems possible...

yeah, that seemed very obvious to me too.  the instant i saw her i thought "young mrs. hawking".

jesus fuck, this episode was so amazing.

so much desmond and faraday <3
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 29 Jan 2009, 08:47
It could be possible that they came on black rock. But, it is also just as possible that the island moved at one point and ended up under black rock. So I cant wait to find that out. I about choked on my pizza when I found out that Widmore was on the island.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Fluxuation on 29 Jan 2009, 09:49
it's always been theorized that widmore had been on the island before, but I initially thought he was a part of the Dharma Initiative. when this episode showed he was an other, it blew my mind. I didnt realize until earlier today that Ellie is Ms. Hawking. it makes so much sense.

The others may have come from the black rock, but we atleast know for sure that one of the ancestors of Alvar Hanso (founder of the Hanso Foundation which made the Dharma Initiative) was on the black rock.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Jan 2009, 10:15
Ellie is quite obviously Mrs. Hawking and quite obviously Faraday's mother on a very simple line of thought:

According to the enhanced version of 'The Lie,' Mrs. Hawking's first name is Eloise, which is the name that Faraday gave to his rat, which can be shortened to Ellie.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 31 Jan 2009, 23:24
No matter how many Others came from the Black Rock, Richard is older than that. I imagine he's the one who teaches them Latin.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 01 Feb 2009, 07:58
That does make sense but knowing Latin does not mean you necessarily come from the time when Latin was spoken. Somehow I can't think of Richard being that old. But that is a potentially interesting point...
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 03 Feb 2009, 10:43
OK, this is pretty funny. (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1898719)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 03 Feb 2009, 11:05
Lol that was hysterical.

"OMG you hit me with a coconut"
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 03 Feb 2009, 11:09
That was pretty good.  I love love love Sayid.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 05 Feb 2009, 04:39
I love that Jin is still alive.  I figured he was, but it's awesome to see it!!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 05 Feb 2009, 09:34
I love that it was the French expedition that found him.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Feb 2009, 10:47
I love that Miles is almost certainly the baby we saw at the beginning of the season.

I loved everything about this episode in fact.  I mean, god damn.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 05 Feb 2009, 12:14
Miles has to be Chang's baby, and Jin is alive! Yes! I mean, I think we all suspected it but it's awesome that he's back. I wonder if they'll kill him off for good at some point though...I mean that would be cruel but I wouldn't put it past the producers of Lost.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Feb 2009, 12:27
Also, Ben saying "He's my lawyer" was somehow ridiculously fucking awesome.

Oh yeah, and Hurley's "It's OK, dude, I'm in jail!"  lol.

edit: oh, and DANIELLE!  and she's REALLY CUTE.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 05 Feb 2009, 16:22
Is it just me, or does the island seem to be predisposed to shifting to points in time that are important to its history? So far it's shifted to the day the Nigerian plane crashed, a period of time after the Hostiles destroyed a US army group and there was an unstable nuclear cockin' bomb on the Island, the night Boone died/Aaron was born/Locke saw Desmond's light, an unspecified period in the future (I'm guessing close to when the Oceanic Six return), the night the French science team is marooned there, and (judging from the season opener) whenever DHARMA was digging up the Frozen Donkey Wheel. Is this just meaningless narrative choices or are the time shifts more likely to take them to times of great importance to the Island?

I'm guessing the Oceanic Six are probably going to be flying Ajira Airways in their attempts to return to the Island, as well. But I could very well be wrong on that.

And Juliette seems to be a handy benchmark for determining just how long Charlotte and Miles spent on the Island. Since we know Juliette spent about 3 years on the Island, then it would seem that Miles spent a little bit more time than that. I'd want to say around 4 years. This is assuming he's Chang's baby and he wouldn't remember that period of his life. And assuming he hasn't had some kind of wacky mind wipe either. Charlotte has been suffering for a considerably longer time, and seems to remember the Island/that she's from the Island. Perhaps she spent a good chunk of her childhood there?

Also, I have a feeling that the time shifts haven't occurred for the Hostiles because they've had enough exposure to the Island to become sort of ingrained with it and travel with it during the time shifts. I think we can also assume that the Others that Ben recruited are all dead now save for Juliette, since all the Others/Hostiles that we saw with Locke at the end of season 4 shifted with the Island.

For instance, if Ben and Rousseau had been present and alive on the Island, would they have been with Alpert and the Hostiles or with the Losties? Rousseau being there for 16 years and Ben being there for probably somewhere around 30, if I were to guess.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 06 Feb 2009, 00:36
There is nothing about this show I do not like.

Nothing.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 11 Feb 2009, 19:05
Aw. Poor Daniel...but man, Ben's flip out almost got me off.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: kozmonaut on 12 Feb 2009, 00:47
I'm the biggest LOST FAN!! Show is well thought out, I like it. Its almost like a comic book, the way they develop characters and drop really subtle hints on whats to come like even during season 1 and 2. I think thats why I like it so much.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 12 Feb 2009, 07:53
Ben's minor losing of his cool was amazing! but he still kept it together, that is why I love Ben. Jack's father showing up in the cave made me gasp a bit! I can't believe it was him to come help. Sawyer left standing with that rope was a little funny. And I am glad that red hair girl is dead, I found her annoying. I did think it was fantastic how she recognized Danny from the Dharma days. I can't wait for next week!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 12 Feb 2009, 08:10
I never really cared for Charlotte, but she somehow grew on me a little while she was dying.  I feel bad for Daniel though. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 12 Feb 2009, 12:13
Charlotte's death affected me in the same way Libby's did. I was rather apathetic toward the characters themselves, but sad to see the effect it would have on the character attached to them (Hurley/Daniel).
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 12 Feb 2009, 16:42
When Charlotte died I was just sad to watch an episode of the show die. On her deathbed she basically divulged an entire episodes worth of flashbacks (and from what I understand what would have definitely been an episode had season 4 not been shortened.)

Overall I honestly think that episode kind of sucked, even if we found out some cool stuff. So far "Jughead" has been a good example of how to do the new Lost right. And this episode was an example of how to do the new Lost terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Banana Moustache on 12 Feb 2009, 22:03
Okay, first did anyone else crap their pants when the French guy's ARM got ripped off?  I mean, Lost has never shied away from showing people being ripped up but that was a step up.  An awesome step up.  And is anyone else wondering where the hell Claire wandered off to?  First, she just blows off Charlie's memory and then waltzes off into the jungle to leave her kid behind?  I mean seriously, what's up with that?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Floyds Boy on 13 Feb 2009, 10:17
The worst part about Lost is that it makes me anxious, gets my brain churning on all the possibilities. Makes it hard to go to sleep at night. That and I fell it is getting a bit too George Lucas-y. How everyone ends knowing everyone from something previously, and only now are their paths connected in a much more intimate way. Not that I don't like lost, oh I NEED to get my fix every week.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 13 Feb 2009, 11:12
To be fair, Montande losing his arm was technically predictable. Danielle mentioned it in passing waaaaaaaaaaay back in Season 1. I'm running through it right now for a refresher, actually, and it raises an interesting question in the statement: "The dark territory...where Nadine was infected and Montande lost his arm." Perhaps Nadine's not so completely dead as we're led to believe. It at least further entrenches us in the mystery of the monster's nature, as it does have a penchant for showing up as dead people.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 13 Feb 2009, 11:47
I wonder if the sickness is really just the behavioral symptoms of the monster taking the form of someone who's dead. (By Rousseau's definition was Yemi sick? Christian?) Or if the sickness is an influence that the monster exerts on someone when they're alive that's different from taking their form when their dead (Claire?)

It's not entirely clear for instance, if Christian is alive or dead. And it certainly seems that Rousseau's team was alive in a sense if she was able to kill them, obviously.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Fluxuation on 18 Feb 2009, 12:47
When Charlotte died I was just sad to watch an episode of the show die. On her deathbed she basically divulged an entire episodes worth of flashbacks (and from what I understand what would have definitely been an episode had season 4 not been shortened.)

Overall I honestly think that episode kind of sucked, even if we found out some cool stuff. So far "Jughead" has been a good example of how to do the new Lost right. And this episode was an example of how to do the new Lost terribly wrong.

I have to respectfully disagree with you.. Jughead was a great episode, but last week's ep was probably one of the best non-season finale episode.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 18 Feb 2009, 13:00
This week is the first of two Cuse/Lindelof written episodes. Which means they're going to be big.

I'm so excited.

And I just can't hide it.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 18 Feb 2009, 15:10
So, in my spare time (Of which I have much right now), I've been re-watching various episodes from the first three seasons. One sequence of events has me contemplating.

As we all know, Danielle has been speaking of an 'infection' since season one. She mentioned it way back when she first encountered Sayid. It has always been rather ambiguous, but it now seems rather clear that whatever this presumed infection is is in regards to encountering the monster. Robert and the others were clearly not direct manifestations of the monster, or else Danielle would not be able to kill them. The monster has also shown a propensity for manifesting as dead folks, such as Yemi and, depending on who you listen to, perhaps Christian.

Could this "infection" have something to do with the process of becoming an Other, perhaps? Ben encountered his dead mother before encountering Richard.

Vaguely along this line of thought, does anyone else think that perhaps Locke is "infected?" There are inconsistencies, dependent upon how much of this I may or may not be guessing accurately, but Locke clearly encountered the monster early on in season one and has shown a zealous attitude toward protecting the island ever since.

It doesn't all add up, but many details could very easily fall into place concerning this.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 18 Feb 2009, 19:05
I have a sinking feeling I know what Ben was up to and I'd bet good money it's going to involve what the Island still had to do with Desmond.

Also, Frank! Yay! I hope he survived...
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Lines on 19 Feb 2009, 06:17
Desmond is one of those characters I don't want to return to the island because I like him as a character and I don't want him separated from Penny again. I mean, really, out of the people who left, he had the most to gain from returning. The 6, to me, never seemed as much at ease as he did when they came back, hence all of them having problems and him not having very many at all.

They had better explain what happened to Aaron and who Sun's baby is with (if they haven't), because 1. I thought Aaron would have had to go back and 2. Jin is going to be all WTF where's my daughter. Or there won't be any explanation and there'll be one of those holes that I don't really like.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 19 Feb 2009, 06:25
Great episode.

"We ain't goin' to Guam are we?" I was cheering out loud by myself when I heard Frank's voice.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 19 Feb 2009, 08:33
After talking to Jon last night about his theory of what Ben was up to, I'm kinda sad waiting for the next episode. 

I do want to know what the hell is going on with the kids, like you said, Linds.  I could never leave my daughter like Sun seems to have done. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 19 Feb 2009, 08:46
I have to respectfully disagree with you.. Jughead was a great episode, but last week's ep was probably one of the best non-season finale episode.

No offense or anything since you went about saying that nicely. But if you think that episode was one of the best of the series then you either have really bad taste or your enthusiasm for the mythology of the show outweighs your enthusiasm for good television. Probably both.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: mietteissass on 19 Feb 2009, 08:52
Ohh now I want to know what you thought ben was up to.  And I agree with Sun and Whats her face, I would not bring the kids back to the island either. Not at first, not until I know what was going to happen there. I am curious what she did with Aaron, but Sun left the girl with her mother.  She is safe. For now.

The episode was amazing and I love that Frank was there.  I laughed hard when he said "We aren't going to Guam are we?"  He knew. I thought it was interesting that this time, Syid is the one with a Marshall. And the new guy, I don't know what he has to do with it, but I can't wait to know.

and Why was Ben covered in blood. Did he kill Penny like he said he would?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 19 Feb 2009, 12:19
No offense or anything since you went about saying that nicely. But if you think that episode was one of the best of the series then you either have really bad taste or your enthusiasm for the mythology of the show outweighs your enthusiasm for good television. Probably both.

Or option three, which is the correct one: opinions are subjective and you are really overstepping your bounds on this. Hell, personally, I found Jughead to be the weakest episodes of the season, so far. That doesn't make my tastes bad or my passion for the show any less, it just means my opinion differs from yours.

And mietteissass, in terms of the blood, that's exactly what I think. At least, that he tried to. Look at the scenario:

He assured Whidmore he was going to kill Penny. He knew Desmond was in town from meeting him and would easily have been able to presume Penny was there as well as a result. The big thing, though? When he calls Jack, the blood is clearly fresh, probably not all his and he's on a dock. Considering Penny lives on a boat now, it's the logical conclusion. I'm not sure one way or the other whether he succeeded, but my guess is he at least tried to kill Penny and ran afoul of Desmond. My best guess is that he did not succeed and Desmond will follow Ben to the island to make sure he never tries again.

In terms of the other people on the plane, I found some VERY interesting theories on that that I find myself clinging to. Eloise told Jack, in no uncertain terms, they had to recreate the crash as closely as possible.

First and obviously, Locke is dead, as Christian was.
Ben is almost late for the plane, as Hurley was; he also is out of his seat when the turbulence begins, as Charlie was.
Sayid is escorted onto the plane, in handcuffs, by a U.S. Marshall, as Kate was.
Sun is holding her husband's wedding band, as Rose was.
Jack is reading a letter, as Sawyer was.
Hurley is reading a comic book, as he was on 815; he brings a guitar aboard, as Charlie did.
Kate is the only one who does not obviously emulate an aspect of flight 815. Popular theory is that she may have gotten pregnant with Jack's child during the prior night's rendezvous, thus emulating Claire.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 19 Feb 2009, 13:05
Or option three, which is the correct one: opinions are subjective and you are really overstepping your bounds on this. Hell, personally, I found Jughead to be the weakest episodes of the season, so far. That doesn't make my tastes bad or my passion for the show any less, it just means my opinion differs from yours.

I think it goes without saying that it's my personal opinion. I don't think anyone actually misunderstands this point, I certainly don't, I just don't go around putting disclaimers on every opinion I put forth. And I never said their passion for the show was less. As a matter of fact I think it takes considerable passion for the show to enjoy that episode. Which in my opinion was weak. It is also, in my opinion, very silly to call it one of the best episodes of the series. To me it's indicative of a fascination with the mythology and mysteries and the answers to those mysteries more than a love of the actual experience of watching the shows. Which is not a bad thing if that's how you enjoy the show.

I don't think it's terribly subjective to say that "This Place Is Death" was kind of an oddball in Lost. It basically became a different episode halfway through and it seemed to have much less focus than the average Lost episode. That on its own makes it strange to call it one of the best episodes of the series simply because it's kind of a black sheep episode while not raising the bar in any areas like the really good non-standard episodes do ("The Constant's" unique treatment of time travel and heightened emotional resonance, for example.)

Less objectively I would say that Charlotte, who was supposed to be a main character that people cared about seeing die, was killed sloppily and it was just the worst death scene I've seen on Lost so far, especially in light of highly dramatic deaths on the show like Shannon or Libby. Who, coincidentally, also had the men who loved them with them at their time of death.

For me it's down there below "Expose"
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 19 Feb 2009, 13:11
How you can call into question anyone's tastes while, in the same breath, claiming anything is worse than Expose was, is beyond rational thought.

In terms of Charlotte's death: sometimes, death just happens. There's not always drama and intrigue involved. Take Danielle, a character who's been with the show since nearly the beginning. She died with no fanfare, suddenly and without buildup or really much of any followup. A death can hit hard without being a huge drama.

Beyond that, how was Charlotte's death any less dramatic than Shannon's? Shannon was just shot, out of nowhere, no buildup whatsoever. Charlotte's death has been hinted at for weeks, much as Charlie's was.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 19 Feb 2009, 13:25
Well see there's the problem that the writers and producers barely did anything to make us care about Charlotte. She was notorious for being a character that people either actively disliked or were ambivalent towards. At least in my circles. No one cared about Charlotte. No one cared when she died. No one had a reaction. Danielle even though there was little drama in the scene, was a death that people felt because people cared more about her character.

It's a problem, again in my opinion, of overall series plotting and a little bit of acting.

I only rate "Expose" higher cause, in my opinion, it at least works more as a stand-alone episode. But honestly, retrospect on this season may soften what I see right now as very glaring flaws of "This Place Is Death."

Shannon's death scene was dynamic, surprising, jarring, emotionally affecting. The image of Sayid holding her body in the rain and the look he gives Ana-Lucia is a pretty good moment in the show. It's not the buildup to the death that is important. As I'd say that Charlie's death was more effective for entirely different reasons than we had been told it was coming and were ready for it. Again, people loved Charlie. The scene again was fairly dynamic and visually affecting. It tied in to the larger drama. There was even more sadness coming in from his connection to Claire and the fact that he'd redeemed himself on the Island.

Charlotte was a glorified red shirt that Daniel was in love with, for some mysterious reason. It added stakes to the overarching plot of these first few episodes but it didn't resonate. Even Daniel's confession of love didn't help it that much in that area.

In my opinion.

Edit: And to clarify when I say it's a problem of series plotting. I'm not implying that their series plotting is bad. This was a stumbling block I feel was mostly brought on by the truncated season 4. I think Lost probably has the best series plotting on television right now.

Edit 2: I'm a little bit baffled on how me disliking "Expose" less than I dislike "This Place Is Death" is indicative of my taste in any way. I didn't realize that not hating "Expose" the most, but still hating it, calls my taste into question. (Also I would hope that this discussion doesn't continue on its negative stint because I honestly don't think there's anything to get even a little bit nasty about in this post.)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 19 Feb 2009, 20:34
Well, that was a weird episode.

They pretty much telegraphed the rest of the season's flashbacks being about their last day off the island. That's the only reason this episode was so disjointed, they specifically and intentionally kept it entirely from Jack's perspective so we'd have to wait for everyone's else's perspective of that day.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 20 Feb 2009, 06:57
Yeah, clearly now for the next few eps at least we'll be getting in Island "present" (whatever that means) time and flashbacks for each person throughout that day. So, including Locke, that's 6 or 7 episodes (Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Locke (leading up to his death), Ben, Sun...maybe Desmond?) That'll bring us close to the season finale where I'm sure they'll do something different and wonderous.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 20 Feb 2009, 15:14
I suspect Locke will replace Christian as the embodiment of the Island
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 04 Mar 2009, 19:06
Two weeks?

Two fucking weeks?!

AYUWERGSGSABDHCscbhoidfuckingfuck!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 05 Mar 2009, 11:20
So, I was a bit stressed out last night and decided to have a few drinks and watch random old Lost episodes. I'm going to try to recall the crazy drunk theories I developed. Okay, I'll start with the most far fetched:

Hurley will eventually end up off the island, but not in the timeframe he originalls arrived. He will arrive a few years before his own stay in the hospital. Not wanting to cause questions and confusion and finally free of his "cursed money," he will take on the pseudonym of Dave, after his imaginary friend. He will, in turn, meet Libby and not be able to help himself, pursuing a relationship and eventual marriage with her. Being off the island, he gets sick and passes away, which drives Libby off the brink for a while, which leads her to ending up in the same hospital as Hurley, as exhibited in season 2's episode "Dave." This would explain her creepy staring at Hurley and her quick development of feelings for him on the island, despite his obvious crazy. Upon release from the hospital, Libby runs into Desmond and gives her his boat. Upon arriving on the island, she recognizes Hurley as her late husband, but chooses not to say anything for fear of coming off as crazy or potentially Hurley told her about his wacky adventures already and enlightened her to the inability to change things.

Woo, crazy theory!

Crazy theory number two:

Desmond caused a divergent timeline when he had his flashes of the past after blowing the hatch. His flashback episode at the end of season 2 makes zero mention of Desmond breaking up with Penny before joining the military and subsequently going to prison. Penelope, in fact, seems very much receptive to Desmond when finding him in LA, not at all the mark of someone who was dumped like she was in Flashes Before Your Eyes. As Daniel mentions in a recent episode, Desmond is some fucked up exception to the rules. By buying the ring and subsequently dumping her BEFORE going to the military, he changed things despite not meaning to.

I had a few more, possibly less insane. I have forgotten, though.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 Mar 2009, 20:10
Oh god.

If I still had a job, I would be all set for Halloween. (http://abctvstore.seenon.com/detail.php?p=72872&v=abctvstore_lost&SESSID=403921e8911c344e90b275b802f5bf42)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 25 Mar 2009, 19:07
Oh man.

Oh shit.

Oh fuck.

Now THAT was a quality episode. Last week's episode was the first this season that didn't completely satisfy me and tonight's may possibly have been the best of the season so far.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 26 Mar 2009, 06:03
I have a hard time saying it was the best, as most of them are pretty wonderful, but I can't disagree either because, man... I love Sayid.  This episode did give me the shivers.  It was great.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 27 Mar 2009, 20:52
Ben!  Shit!  NOOOoooooOOOoOoOOoooo
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 27 Mar 2009, 22:32
PSh, he's fine. If he wasn't, space-time would have totally collapsed in that instant since a good deal of the future leading up to that moment would never have happened. It's like the grandfather paradox or something.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 28 Mar 2009, 10:35
My guess is:

Ben is found, dying, by one of the Dharma Initative and is taken back to camp. They've proven their surgeon is nigh incompetent during Ethan's birth, so we only have one qualified surgeon who could save him, and he's a janitor. Jack will be asked to fix Ben, but will refuse on the grounds of it's Ben, possibly blowing their cover. He'll end up doing it anyway for some reason. Jack will yell a lot regardless.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Mar 2009, 10:37
Which, in a twist of fate, brings Jack and Ben right back around to the beginning of season 3.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 28 Mar 2009, 10:46
I know, I know, but Ben is still one of my fav chars, even though I hated him HARD at the beginning during season 2
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 28 Mar 2009, 11:07
Man, how in the fuck could you hate Ben ever? He is one of the most fascinating characters ever to show up on the show and he was straight from the start.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Lines on 28 Mar 2009, 13:09
I think Ben is creepy and sometimes he gets on my nerves, but he's still interesting.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Mar 2009, 13:21
Ben is pretty much my favorite villain on TV, I won't lie.

Dude rocks.

I mean, so many great little Ben moments this year, the one sticking out in my mind is when him and Jack are on the plane and Jack turns and asks "So what's going to happen to everyone else on the plane?" and Ben responds, completely in earnest, "Who cares?"

He's an unapologetic (well, I guess he did apologize to Locke...then killed him later) asshole and he's extremely good at it.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 29 Mar 2009, 09:06
Man, that was a great episode. Though I did know that Sayid would kill (or attempt to kill) young Ben within ten minutes of the start of the episode. However, that does not mean that I didn't jump and yell when Sayid actually did shoot him.

I fucking love this show.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: blanktom on 29 Mar 2009, 15:21
But NO! He can't do that!

He can't shoot Ben!!

He'll change history as we know it
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 29 Mar 2009, 16:38
Which is why I think Ben can't actually die. Remember how Mrs Hawking said that the universe has a way of 'course-correcting'? Young Ben will live through it.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 29 Mar 2009, 16:39
If Ben was dead, space-time would collapse since Sayid wouldn't have gone back to the island to kill Ben if Ben wasn't alive in the future would means Sayid would never have gone back in time and killed Ben which means Ben would have not been shot and killed as a child, thus he would have convinced Sayid to go back to the island in the future and Sayid would have done so and killed Ben and...well you get the picture. It's a paradox. In other words, Ben is definitely not dead.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 Mar 2009, 17:17
Daniel said it best:

Whatever happened, happened.

Nothing has changed. Why do you think Ben was always so darn sure that Sayid was a killer and that he'd always come back to what he does best? Sayid told him so himself, right before putting a bullet in his chest.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Mar 2009, 17:41
Jordan's got it summed up, particularly considering the title of this week's coming episode. Anyone care to venture a guess?

I'm hiding it behind the link in case anyone doesn't want to know. (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whatever_Happened%2C_Happened)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 29 Mar 2009, 18:15
Wow. Apparently Lost producers and fans are on the same wavelength?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 30 Mar 2009, 23:57
Guys, I have developed a theory of a bunch of stuff on the Island and it might not be right and it's also not based on any future spoilers or anything, btu I'm making i tiny print anyway in case anyone cares to read, but it's cool if you don't.



Okay, we know that time spent on the Island = quicker deterioration of the body when jumping.

What this says to me is that there's a sort of energy radiating from the Island into the people on it. The more energy you absorb, the more of you is on the Island's time. In other words, when the Island jumps, if you have enough timey wimey stuff absorbed, you jump with it. But if you don't, you get left behind. However, the more timey wimey stuff you've already absorbed, the more of you actually does move with the Island in its jumps, thus killing you quicker, the longer you've been on the Island.

Okay, so that brings us to the Oceanic Six. There were 8 people on Ajira Flight 316 previously on the Island and four jumped with the Island to its own, newly reanchored time while four were left behind. Lapedus, obviously, had spent barely any time on the Island, so he clearly must not have had any energy to jump. Ben and Locke, meanwhile, has actually activated the anchor and been shot through time, possibly cleansing them of their built up energy. Sun, however, has been on the Island as much as anyone else of the Six. So why didn't she jump?

Because she was pregnant. Ji Yeon absorbed the Island's energy, not Sun. Once she gave birth, Sun was practically off the Island's time, because her child had taken it. So she didn't get to go back in time with the rest of the Six.

Which, then, obviously leads us to why children can't be born on the island: they're being poisoned by the Island's temporal radiation...stuff. Ji Yeon survived by being removed from the Island in time, Aaron survived by being off the Island for most of development, but any other child is screwed.

And all of this energy being released and poisoning the Island's inhabitants must clearly be new, since children can be born in 1977, probably a result of Dharma's messing around with the Swan and whatever incident occurred.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 31 Mar 2009, 13:35
Woah man, I like the way you think. That all sounds surprisingly plausible (I say surprisingly since most people with 'Lost' theories spew nonsense).
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 31 Mar 2009, 18:00
That... makes a surprising amount of sense. See, I always thought the children dying had something to do with Ben's premature birth. As I recall, he was born at around seven months. All pregnant women have complications at the seventh month, which kills them and the fetus. Things were all dandy until Ben and the Hostiles came to power. Which made me wonder if Ben had a hand in that. What if he developed some sort of virus or something?

But I think your idea goes more with the mystique of the Island.  :lol:
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Lines on 02 Apr 2009, 06:08
I just knew that if they did something to save Ben, he wouldn't be able to remember what happened. Also, I'm glad that Kate gave Aaron to his grandmother.

Also, we don't know where Daniel is, right? I remember seeing him working on the Swan Orchid in a flashback/forward thing, so he's not gone. Thoughts on where he is?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 02 Apr 2009, 06:42
I think Daniel may have possibly have time-traveled again during the 74-77 period. That or he's down in The Orchid and is one of the first and most important time-travel researchers for Dharma.

Also, I have to say I hope that The Temple/Smokey doesn't work the way that I think it does. When Richard said "He'll always be one of us." I was a little disappointed. I really really hope that whatever happens to people in the Temple doesn't turn The Others into some kind of drones of the Island. I don't even really like the implication that something like that changed Ben's personality. I mean, it does do a lot for the time-travelers realizing that they're responsible for who Ben became, but it sort of cheapens Ben as a character, for me, at least if this "Otherfication" process works in the way it seems to.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 02 Apr 2009, 10:18
Daniel's down in the Orchid and, presumably, in 1977 as well.

For anyone who's seen the Dharma Booth Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8&feature=player_embedded), it's indicative that Daniel will be showing up again soon enough, since it's pretty easy to assume who the "credible source" is judging by the off camera voice.

Though I actually never noticed something. I haven't watched the video since before the season started and I am VERY intrigued by the name of the other individual that Chang addresses off camera at the very end.

In terms of the Temple, honestly, that's been the suspicion I've had as to how it works since This Place is Death. Look at it through these details:

I've been of the belief that the smoke monster "judges" people since season 3, with the way it killed Mr. Eko. If it judges you worthy, you become an Other, but will suffer a personality change, possibly without even really realizing this. That last bit is the conclusion I came to after This Place Is Death, based on Locke's behavior since season one. Initially, while dealing with anger issues, Locke seemed relatively level headed, if a bit naive and easily manipulated. After his encounter with the monster, he suddenly started spouting off bullshit about "the island wants this, the island wants that." Perhaps that is what becomes of Ben?

I don't see that it cheapens anyone as a character. Your personality isn't defined by how you're born, it is defined by your experiences. Even if Ben changes as a result of his judgment, it's still a life experience and it's still a path he'd been heading down for a while. Whatever happened...happened.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 Apr 2009, 15:50
Jon, Jon, Jon, Jon.

I kind of figured out why the episode after next week has the title it does.

It's 1977.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 02 Apr 2009, 16:02
Yeah, but dude, 1977 is when the first one came out. It's clearly an Empire reference, which didn't see release until 1980.

New thought: Hurley blows the survivors' cover by accidentally blurting out Star Wars spoilers. If they actually did this, I would personally suck the producers' dicks.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 Apr 2009, 16:09
Yeah, I know that, but there's no awesome puns to be made with the first one (that's a complete lie, but maybe they just wanted to use the pun).

Also, that is the other thing I thought, exactly. Hurley totally accidentally spoils ESB and everyone is fucked.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 02 Apr 2009, 16:18
Honestly, it could be done easily. Way I'd play it is have the Dharma's having a "activity day" in which one of the Dharmas snuck along a print of this "cool new sci-fi movie" that just hit release. Hurley proceeds to quote shit all through it. Upon being asked how he knows it so well, Hurley slips up and says "Oh, I saw this a million times when I was a kid..."
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: JediBendu on 03 Apr 2009, 08:25
I don't see that it cheapens anyone as a character. Your personality isn't defined by how you're born, it is defined by your experiences. Even if Ben changes as a result of his judgment, it's still a life experience and it's still a path he'd been heading down for a while. Whatever happened...happened.

Somehow I just don't like the idea that some supernatural influence changed Ben as a person. I liked it when it seemed that Ben was who he was for more mundane and human reasons, and not because the Island literally changed him at his core. I'll get used to it, I guess.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 03 Apr 2009, 20:48
I think the Temple is like the "Pet Semetary" for the Others. Am I the only one who thinks this?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 09 Apr 2009, 05:11
I really thought Ben had killed Penny.  I think I like it better that he didn't, even though I don't care for her character. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 09 Apr 2009, 10:48
He assured Whidmore he was going to kill Penny. He knew Desmond was in town from meeting him and would easily have been able to presume Penny was there as well as a result. The big thing, though? When he calls Jack, the blood is clearly fresh, probably not all his and he's on a dock. Considering Penny lives on a boat now, it's the logical conclusion. I'm not sure one way or the other whether he succeeded, but my guess is he at least tried to kill Penny and ran afoul of Desmond. My best guess is that he did not succeed and Desmond will follow Ben to the island to make sure he never tries again.

Boom! Called it! We'll see how the rest turns out.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 10 Apr 2009, 06:20
Well, one of them was the bounty hunter sent to capture Sayid, but I'm not sure if it works to the theory (she's a merc) or against it (there's already a reason for her being on the island; I guess she could've been hired by Widmore to get Sayid too but Widmore didn't know Ben could get to the island).
I do not think I agree with the theory, because it would be a bit of an ass pull on the part of the writers. Especially after Keamy and his team failed, and these guys aren't doing a great job of keeping him under control.

Also, Ben is definitely the best character.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Luke C on 11 Apr 2009, 10:46
I still love lost to a ridiculous degree. If only it was on every night, like The Wire is in the UK atm.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 11 Apr 2009, 15:31
It's actually on daily in the US. It plays on the Sci Fi channel twice a day, I think. Sucks to be you, UKers!

Not that it matters to me, really. I've got the whole thing on DVD anyway.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 11 Apr 2009, 16:21
SUCH
A
GOOD
EPISODE!!!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Lines on 12 Apr 2009, 07:27
I am sooooooooooo glad that Ben instead got his ass kicked by Desmond instead of killing Penny.

And tee hee hee, he has to follow a man he's tried several times to kill for good.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 19 Apr 2009, 15:28
(http://pretentiousgamer.com/photos/06d0d5848c3893c439f0de89e35f2c88.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 19 Apr 2009, 15:41
Oh, Jordan, you just made my day.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 20 Apr 2009, 14:09
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/04/20/funny1__1240244368_4184.gif)

Upon meeting outrage over his choice to run the Boston Marathon in a pretty, pink tutu, John Locke was quoted as saying, "Don't tell me what I can't do!"
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 20 Apr 2009, 16:27
Jesus christ, his legs are fuckin horrifying.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 23 Apr 2009, 20:24
So.

Three episodes left

Here are the titles, with what character each is about.

These are huge spoilers.

So...don't look unless you want to be spoiled!

5.14: The Variable - Daniel
5.15: Follow The Leader - Richard
5.16&5.17: The Incident - Jacob
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 Apr 2009, 20:43
Well, I know the titles already, but I only know who next week's episode is about, so I guess I'll avoid that for now.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 23 Apr 2009, 20:47
Well, the rest of the season is going to be fucking epic based solely on flashback characters.

Also, I have a wacky insane, extremely incorrect theory about the people who abducted Miles before the trip and took over camp at the 316 site:

They were hired by future versions of the 815 crew from the past to take control of the island in the present day.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 24 Apr 2009, 05:21
I have to say, I really love your theories.  I suck at coming up with anything to try and explain anything in this show. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 24 Apr 2009, 07:16
Yeah, seriously! That too seems really plausible. My theory: the show is going to end for good back at the very beginning i.e. the Oceanic 815 plane crash. Somehow their memories will have been erased or something like that and they'll essentially be stuck in an endless loop through time, forever leading them back to the island (which will be increasingly populated, perhaps, with mysterious skeletons a la 'Adam and Eve' which is clearly two of the survivors who died in the past and were discovered by themselves in the present (Jin and Sun perhaps? I don't see them killing Kate and one of them is a woman. I suppose it could be Juliette as well...))
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: pen on 24 Apr 2009, 07:54
Jon's theory is Bernard and Rose.  I think it's likely. 
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 24 Apr 2009, 08:44
Ever since it turned out Bernard was white, I've been absolutely convinced the skeletons were Rose and Bernard.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 24 Apr 2009, 10:31
Aw, man.

That makes me sad. Rose and Bernard died in the 50s.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 24 Apr 2009, 15:19
Oh yeah, I forgot about them! They haven't been around all season and they were never really important characters but it does make sense.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 29 Apr 2009, 15:10
Sorry for the double post but since it's not at all related to the last...
Finally a new episode tonight! I haven't read the synopses but holy hell do the last three episodes sound cool based upon the characters of focus. I mean (SEMI-SPOILERS!!!!)tonight: Daniel, next week: Richard, last episode: Jacob. That's going to be so cool!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Apr 2009, 19:03
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 29 Apr 2009, 19:22
Man, I knew Widmore was Daniel's father for the longest time. I think it's funny how they reveal some things so quickly and take so long to get o others.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Apr 2009, 19:24
Now that I've had time to think on it, I'm relatively sure the ending was a red herring. It really all depends on whether or not the Dharma Booth Video is considered canon. If it is, then Daniel's presence would indicate he had to survive. If not, well, I just don't know.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2009, 21:55
Now that I've had time to think on it, I'm relatively sure the ending was a red herring. It really all depends on whether or not the Dharma Booth Video is considered canon. If it is, then Daniel's presence would indicate he had to survive. If not, well, I just don't know.

Oh man, you're right.

C'mon, continuity!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 06 May 2009, 05:41
That, or the island already fixed his brain, and, y'know, Locke...
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 09 May 2009, 21:57
Locke and Christian are an anomaly, dammit. The Island doesn't have magic resurrection powers for any old dude. No one on the Island has been resurrected, only people who died off and were returned.

So...really...no reaction here to "I'm going to kill Jacob."?

And I'm pretty well convinced: whatever happened, happened. Yeah, maybe drilling at the Swan caused a massive release of electromagnetic energy. Or, maybe, just a hunch, blowing up an H-bomb did?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 10 May 2009, 19:00
I get the impression that Christian and Locke are both very different things. The fact that Christian pops up all around without actual movement and his statement about not being able to help Locke up under the Orchid give the impression he cannot actively interact with the other characters, but John has physically interacted with multiple other characters since his return. I'm still not convinced that Christian is actually anything but dead as a doornail.

Also, for those still harping on it and, like me, some answers concerning what's up with that Dharma Booth Video I linked to.

This week's Lost podcast (http://www.docarzt.com/lost/exclusive-next-weeks-official-lost-podcast-now/).

Lindelof and Cuse are asked, point blank, if the Dharma Booth Video is considered canon and, if so, if it was a goof. Their answer? Supplemental material is, as a rule, not considered directly canon, but the video was originally supposed to occur in show. Due to problems with budgeting (Due to the recession), the plotline and an ARG that were supposed to center around the video were scrapped and altered into what the show has since become.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 13 May 2009, 20:03
AHHHHHHHHH!!!

FUCK!!!

WHAT?!

FUCK!!!

AHHHHHHHH!!!

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Lines on 13 May 2009, 20:05
And now we get to wait 9 months to find out what the crap is going on.

Joy.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 13 May 2009, 20:08
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 13 May 2009, 20:41
Major spoilers:

After some searching, the best I've managed to dig up of a translation of what Richard said was from a yahoo answers question. An incredibly dubious source, but the best I have for now. What lies in the shadow of the statue? 'He who will save us all.'

A more concrete translation should be floating around the net by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 13 May 2009, 21:17
Lostpedia is confirming the translation with the operative word 'save' potentially being protect or preserve'.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 13 May 2009, 21:58
ohmygodohmygodohmygod!

Now THAT'S how you do a finale. Wow.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: blanktom on 14 May 2009, 03:45
As the screen went blank and the Lost logo faded in, I actually cried out loud 'YOU BASTARDS'.

Now THAT'S how you do a finale. Wow.

QFT.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 14 May 2009, 05:52
Yeah, I was watching it in a room full of people and the second the screen flashed white and the Lost logo came up, we literally all cried out in anguish. They just love fucking with us...
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 14 May 2009, 20:28
That was worse than the first time I had sex
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 14 May 2009, 20:41
Man, not me. THat was better than the first time I had sex, and the first time I had sex was extremely satisfying.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 14 May 2009, 21:46
That was worse than the first time I had sex
Look, I'm sorry, but to be fair, it was my first time too. And it was years ago, it's time to let it fucking go.

Anyway, a theory I tossed onto another forum is that AliveLocke (as opposed to DeadLocke) is actually the Smoke Monster, which is actually the other dude at the start. Monster's able to change shape, talk to people, etcetera, and it convinced Ben to obey everything Locke said when it was Alex.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Beren on 14 May 2009, 23:42
On another forum I go to we've decided to call the other guy/deadlocke Esau. Oh lost and your silly biblical imagery.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 15 May 2009, 01:27
Lostapedia has it's "theories" page pretty much naming AliveLocke whatever religious entity they can draw even the most tenuous link to. Esau is probably the least crazy name there.

Also, what was up with "Ricardus"? I assume it's his real name because he's really old or something.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 15 May 2009, 05:20
On another forum I go to we've decided to call the other guy/deadlocke Esau. Oh lost and your silly biblical imagery.

Yeah I kinda thought Jacob/Esau or some sort of bizarre Cain/Able relationship between the two. But bottom line is you cant fucking just introduce two extremely important characters at the beginning of the finale with no fucking explanation other than one of the has a name that happened to have a lot of screen time. That smashcut to white, well whatever it was a nuke (though since when did plutonium cores blow up without a fat lot of traditional explosive), so I am not going to gripe about that. But this Locke BS was complete crap, and whats with "The Good Guys" who the fuck are they? Oh apparently they (one of them) are introduce in this three minute flashback with one of the other characters that is actually just a name that appears throughout the series and NOT ACTUALLY A CHARACTER.

Pardon my rant, but you want a finale done right, watch Weeds, and I *love* Lost, it sits comfortably behind South Park and The Venture Bros as the best show that currently airs, but I can honestly say that was a poor finale from a story telling position.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 15 May 2009, 07:37
Actually, Ilana's been showing up most of the season. She popped up bringing Sayid in, remember? She'll obviously be fleshed out next season, I don't see it as any reason to get one's underwear in a twist. All told, I'd say it was the best finale, overall, since season one.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 15 May 2009, 08:01
"Ricardus" is his Latin name. Since the Others speak (or did speak...) in Latin, I'm assuming the Ajiira folk are old others of some kind. In any case, they have an obvious connection to Jacob. I don't think AliveLocke is the smoke monster. I'm pretty sure that's a third entity altogether. When Ben told Locke he had to do whatever Locke said b/c the smoke monster told him to in Alex's form, Locke seemed genuinely surprised and pleased. When it was asked why the Ajira folk were lugging DeadLocke's body, they said it was to show what Richard and the Others were up against. Since they know about the smoke monster and can apparently summon it, I think AliveLocke is something more evil....or maybe more good? We still don't know who's good and who's bad. Is Jacob the good guy and DudeFromTheEpisode'sBeginning/AliveLocke (they're obviously the same person) bad or vice versa. We still don't even know that answer for Ben and Widmore to be honest.
I do think the religious possibilities (Jacob and Esau) are interesting and compelling. In the Old Testament, Esau and Jacob are twins. Esau sells his birthright to Jacob for some red stew or something b/c he's really hungry. This pisses off God who basically exiles Esau for so lightly giving away that which is most important. Maybe something similar happened here. The guy in the black robe from the beginning ran the island and for some reason passed on that power to Jacob or Jacob took over. The guy realized his mistake and wanted to kill Jacob to reclaim the island but b/c of some strange set of rules could not.
Now, the rules are obviously significant. Remember, Widmore supposedly broke the rules when Keamy killed Ben's daughter. It seems that Ben and Widmore can't kill each other, again b/c of some kind of set of rules. It would be WAY too coincidental if these rules weren't linked to the rules that prevented Black Robe guy from killing Jacob.
Also, the conversation between the Black Robe guy and Jacob is still confusing me. I can't make any sense of it....
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 15 May 2009, 16:10
Haha boy was I ever in rant mode when I wrote that, anyway, I maintain it was a poor ending, not because it didnt leave you hanging, because it did. It was lacking being it introduced  a tonne of mythology with no explanation, its bad story telling.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Luke C on 18 May 2009, 16:41
Oh man, one season to go.

I just hope to God it ends well. If it dosn't this will feel like a waste of time, if it ends well it will be totally epic.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: fish across face on 27 May 2009, 05:25
TOTALLY ASSUMING TALKING ABOUT STUFF SEEN IN SHOW UP TO SEASON 5 END IS NO SPOILER

Hey, so what the hell's going to happen in '77?  Basically the two obvious outcomes - everyone's dead or Oceanic 8whatever never crashed - mean no last season to speak of or such a dramatic change in direction that I just can't see it happening on a big budget primetime TV show.

Mind you, if what Richard said to Sun about her friends is true (no evidence he lies, but maybe he got it wrong) things could be interesting.


Pet peeve: the scenes with magnetic stuff happening.  So, so unrealistic.  I don't mean unrealistic like the fantasy / sci-fi elements where people don't get old or can talk to dead people - I'm cool with that stuff, this is just a show, etc.  But the magnetism bizzo both times we've seen it has been really internally inconsistent and ... dumb-looking.  If a magnetic pull is stronger than a jeep driving the opposite way, how do e.g. metal drums and boxes closer to the source maintain their shape?  How about a certain critical object in the final scene that needs to be hit with a rock because it's not being mooshed?  Even if it's not entirely metallic, how is that consistent with e.g. the guy who apparently died because of his filling?


Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 27 May 2009, 05:54
It's the island what's doing that.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 27 May 2009, 15:33
Hey, so what the hell's going to happen in '77?  Basically the two obvious outcomes - everyone's dead or Oceanic 8whatever never crashed - mean no last season to speak of or such a dramatic change in direction that I just can't see it happening on a big budget primetime TV show.

There's more than two potential outcomes. My guess, and I don't believe it's an uncommon theory, is that Miles is right. The H-Bomb is, in fact, a natural part of the incident that occurred in the past under the whatever happened, happened theory. That said, the explosion doesn't kill anyone other than Juliette. Seeing as how Chang and Radzynski both live past the Swan sight incident, they'll live. I'm also guessing that Miles will somehow stay behind and give us a slight main character perspective of some of the remainder of the Dharma timeframe while those survivors that Jacob touched (Namely Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Jin, Jack and Hurley) are the "they" Jacob referred to when he said "they're coming." Since both the Swan and Orchid sites exhibit signs of being a related anomaly, I would assume that the power released by the incident was enough to send those in the immediate vicinity forward to 2007, where the rest of the group is. The bomb, however, did not destroy the energy, merely abate it long enough for the Dharmas to contain it, leading to the button.

There's obviously some significance to the very obvious manner in which Jacob touched each survivor he met and I don't think we're done with the real John Locke yet either. I doubt Jacob would concern himself with John Locke if he was only going to provide a loophole for his rival to kill him.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: fish across face on 28 May 2009, 01:32
Hey, so what the hell's going to happen in '77?  Basically the two obvious outcomes - everyone's dead or Oceanic 8whatever never crashed - mean no last season to speak of or such a dramatic change in direction that I just can't see it happening on a big budget primetime TV show.

There's more than two potential outcomes.
Yeah, key word on my part was "obvious" - one of the cool aspects of how extreme a cliffhanger it was is that the obvious outcomes can be discounted... Cheers for yr thoughts, looks all very plausible.  Will have to see whether the show's writers give a shit about plausibility. ;)
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 28 May 2009, 08:21
That all sounds compelling except, I think, for the "they" Jacob refers to being Kate, Jack and so on. I know he's ageless so time probably seems much less of a factor to him but he made that statement what we have to assume to be some 300 years before 815 crashes, judging by the ship, probably the Black Rock, we see coming to the island in that scene. Since the Black Rock was owned by Magnus Hanso, we can perhaps see its arrival on the island as the event that led to the Dharma Initiative and therefore to the Incident and therefore to the 815 crash but...well I don't think that was what Jacob was talking about.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 28 May 2009, 10:05
I think you're mixing up "they" occurrences. I'm talking about when Ben stabbed him in 2007. After the stabbing, Jacob dropped to his knees and muttered "they're coming," which seemed to startle and anger Un-Locke. I'm assuming that "they" is the people he touched, including (Maybe) the real John Locke.

In terms of the Black Rock's approach, I'm getting the feeling that Richard's on there.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: fish across face on 28 May 2009, 12:48
I'd assumed "they" were the dudes who we'd just seen arrive on the beach and dump Locke's body.  We'd already seen Ilana hanging with Jacob in flashback earlier in the episode, so there seemed a sense in which they're his people.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 28 May 2009, 12:53
Un-Locke already knew they were coming, though, so I doubt that's it. The look on his face seemed as if he were startled and slightly concerned with the "they" he referred to. It's pretty obvious that the writers aren't killing off the entire principle cast, so it's probable they'll be back and considering Jacob touching them all, I think it's safe to assume that the Oceanic group are the "they" he referred to and that they're some sort of ace in the hole of his.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: fish across face on 28 May 2009, 16:12
Ah, makes sense.

Out of curiosity, did Sun not get touched by Jacob?  I wasn't paying attention to the whole touching thing.

I'm certainly curious about her not ending up in '77.  It obviously serves dramatic purposes to have her and Jin still separated, but am wondering if the writers are going to bother to explain it or just leave it as one of the presumably many things they're going to leave open-ended.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 28 May 2009, 22:34
Jacob touched Sun and Jin both at their wedding I do believe.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: fish across face on 29 May 2009, 02:58
Un-Locke already knew they were coming, though, so I doubt that's it.
Thinking about this some more, how do you/we know un-Locke already knew that?  Didn't he & Ben go inside the foot of the statue before the people with Locke's body arrived on the beach?  Was there some earlier scene where he showed recognition of who those people were?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 May 2009, 04:50
Three things: one, he was on the beach with them, so he already knew they existed. Two, his telling Richard that they'd need to be "dealt with" indicates that he knows they're a threat of some kind. Third, he was surprised by the news of "they're coming," and considering he already knew that the Ajira survivors were on the island and making their way toward him, he likely wouldn't be surprised by their approach. The worst they could really do is out him before he had Ben kill Jacob, but that's already done.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 29 May 2009, 05:45
"They" is a new antagonist(s) that will be retconned into the backstory much like Jacob was, and will be shown to have been manipulating Charles Widmore (and thus responsible for Keamy and all that in s4) and the Darma initiative, and Jacob was all that was keeping them off the island (the Widmore group and the initiative were ways through another loophole), despite apparently bringing many other people to the island (the losties, the boat of which name eludes me but it's the spanish one with the dynamite...

Just a theory.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 May 2009, 11:54
Uh.

No, "they" are the 1977 crew.

I'm pretty darn certain at this point the main antagonist from hereon out is going to be Esau.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 29 May 2009, 19:28
Uh.

No, "they" are the 1977 crew.
I haven't really been paying attention, but is that actual real canon, or just the strongest theory going?
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 17 Jun 2009, 10:41
Something that slipped by me:

Apparently, last month's Wired was guest edited by J.J. Abrams and he sneaked a reveal into a puzzle.

Said reveal? Confirmation as to who the Four Toed Statue is.

A Wikipedia article on who the statue is behind the link for spoiler purposes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret).

So, the statue was of an Egyptian goddess of fertility and childbirth. That sure makes a whole lot of sense, though I doubt its destruction was what caused the fertility issues on the island, considering it was heavily implied that Ethan was conceived on the island, which was after the statue was destroyed.
Title: Re: Lost; Season 5
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 17 Jun 2009, 13:38

Ethan was conceived on the island, which was after the statue was destroyed.

Not that we really needed that confirmation if you ask me. It's a recognizable figure from that particular mythology. As far as the above quote goes, how do we know that?