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Title: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 06 Feb 2009, 15:59
Given that guitarists get their own thread (like they get everything else in the world), I thought drummers should have one, too.

The topic is anything drum-related: drummers, equipment, technique, whatever.  Knock yourselves out.

Just to get it started, my top five drummers:

1. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
And the next four in no particular order:
Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
Patrick Carney (The Black Keys)
John Densmore (The Doors)

I like blues.  And rock.  And blues-rock.  Also The Doors.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 06 Feb 2009, 16:03
If you're into drumming, you should check out anything Gavin Harrison has done, ever.

His Q&A thread on drummerworld (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698&)

If anyone who is just starting has any questions, I can probably help.

That buzzing sound from the snare when you play on your toms? I know how to get rid of it.

Those annoying overtones? Easily remedied.

Pissing off the neighbours? No fear!

Also, I HIGHLY recommend learning to read rhythmic notation if you plan on playing drums.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 06 Feb 2009, 16:11
hella
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Christophe on 06 Feb 2009, 16:17
My favorite drummers right now are Michael Dahlquist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdUJioYWcqg), Keith Moon, Stephen Morris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZwMs2fLoVE) and Helen Wiggin.

I've only been playing for about seven months or so and seek to emulate the first three drummers, but for a while I was sounding like the fourth.

That buzzing sound from the snare when you play on your toms? I know how to get rid of it.

Those annoying overtones? Easily remedied.

Do tell!
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 06 Feb 2009, 16:19
Right, to mitigate the snare from buzzing when you play the toms, you have to tune your snare drum either very high or very low. And then you have to tun all of your toms the opposite (depending on whether you tuned your snare drum high or low)

Simple as that, you should have less buzzing, if not a complete lack.

As for the overtones, what you want to do is either go to your local music store and ask for deadening rings, or cut out some old drumheads in circles and place them on top of each drum.

If you need help with tuning, I can also give you step by step advice on that.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Christophe on 06 Feb 2009, 16:21
Man too bad the drumkit I have (which is borrowed from a friend) sounds pretty bad already to begin with and I have no clue how to tune them.

Maybe I better learn how to actually tune the drumkit then. Danke!
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Inlander on 06 Feb 2009, 16:23
If you like drumming you should stop listening to 99% of rock music.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 06 Feb 2009, 16:27
Maybe I better learn how to actually tune the drumkit then.


you could do that.


or you could be like me and never tune your drums or learn anything about them, and whenever someone asks you a technical question about drums or drumming just shout "YEEHAA" and kick something over.


err...on second thought; don't.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 06 Feb 2009, 16:38
Okay, to tune your drums, first, you are going to need a drum key. That looks like this.

(http://www.mooresmusicemporium.com/images/12537.jpg)

Now, what you want to do is loosen all of the tuning lugs on your drum till they are no longer exerting any tension on the drumhead. (ie, until it is possible to pull them out)

Now, you want to turn each lug about a half turn equally until you have the tone you want

It is best to do it in a criss-cross manner.

Let's assume you are tuning the snare drum, which would have eight lugs.

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Jarlaxle_56/drumtuningpic.jpg)

So you would follow each number (turning the drum key a half turn each time) and then after you've gone through once, give your drum a tap, keep doing this until you have the sound you want.

You can get a drum key at any music store for a buck or two.

It is VERY important they are equally turned, after you are done, tap the area near each tuning lug on the head to make sure each sound the same.


________

I thought you might also need some tips on a proper way to grip your sticks, there are several ways to grip them, the best way for a beginner is this way...

Basically, grip the stick between your forefinger and your thumb, like this

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Jarlaxle_56/grip1.jpg)

You want your palms to be facing downwards, towards the drums. And your other fingers shouldn't be putting any pressure (they can be touching, but not putting any pressure) on the sticks, other than the two mentioned. It should be loose and allow for lots of rebound when you hit the drums/cymbals. Make sure to be holding the stick a decent distance up. Choking up farther will allow you more speed, lower will allow you more power.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 07 Feb 2009, 09:12
Out of curiousity, has anybody here used DW snare wire?  I bought some a while back and it was way too short despite being the right measurement.  I was just wondering if this was a fluke or if it's a consistent thing.

Also, anybody have recommendations on bass drum heads?  I really hate mine,  but I've only switched a few times and haven't found anything I really like.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Feb 2009, 09:33
I have my dad's old custom-built Pearl kit, but I've got no idea how to play drums.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 07 Feb 2009, 11:27
Do you play other instruments?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2009, 08:51
Guitar.  Actually, three of them.

Supposedly my dad tried to teach me drums when I was little, but I was too busy making noise to worry about rhythm.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 08 Feb 2009, 09:39
I had that same experience the first time I "played drums."  I picked it back up a few years ago and found that I had somehow become much better at drumming during the period that I didn't play at all.  It was fairly bizarre, but my guess is just that I listened to enough music to figure out the basics.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 08 Feb 2009, 11:24
Hm, my top 5 right now, in no particular order:

Carter Beauford
Neil Peart
Jimmy Chamberlin
Billy Cobham
Danny Carey

I play a pearl export select kit I bought a few years back, with a pearl piccolo snare. I tune my snare high/tight, my toms low/loose. My cymbals are a total mishmash I've collected over the years, 14" Zildjian A New Beat Hi-Hats, 15" Zildjian K Dark Thin Crash, 10" Sabian B8 Splash, which I mount inverted on top of the Dark Crash (this one is next up for replacement), 14" Zildjian Oriental China Trash, inverted, 18" Zildjian Azuka Timbale Ride, and a 15" Zildjian A Custom Fast Crash, of which I've broken 2, on my 3rd now. I mute my toms with rolled up toilet paper and duct tape.

Everything is arranged like this

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/dazedandconfused-/IMG_0125.jpg)

Yes, that is my basement.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 08 Feb 2009, 13:02
Due to my overwhelming poverty, I play a six-year old piece of crap Pacific set.  Four pieces, two rack toms, floor, bass.  Snare is Pork Pie, 14".  Hihats are 15" Paiste 2002, plus two 2002 crashes, 18" and 14".  I have a really low-caliber Sabian B8 ride (20") and recently, because the hihats came with a free stand, I started mounting an equally bad Sabian B8 crash-ride of 18". 

I like Vic Firth sticks with a thicker hand grip.  I like long, heavy sticks with wooden applicators (I used to use the Portnoy signature series with the nylon, but I decided against it last year).
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Hat on 09 Feb 2009, 07:26
Dovey I know you are reading this and I know you still have that photo of your snare drum with T-Rex drawn on it and I want you to post it.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 11:57
Anybody have opinions on damping?  I've experimented with both blankets and tape on the bass drum, but I think my problems are more due to the pedal, now that I think about it, because it's way, way too long.

So, anybody have an opinion on the best methods, whether actually muting the drum or with pedals?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 12:50
Can't you just shorten the pedal shaft? It should be adjustable.

Also, a lot of drummers do things like putting a pillow in the bass drum and a dampening ring on the snare, it reduces overtones.

Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, King Crimson) does this.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 09 Feb 2009, 13:58
Trilok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXkQFSg8FkQ&feature=related) Gurtu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4w01flH_OU)

for serious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXoe5Uita_A)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 14:31
Can't you just shorten the pedal shaft? It should be adjustable.

Also, a lot of drummers do things like putting a pillow in the bass drum and a dampening ring on the snare, it reduces overtones.

Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, King Crimson) does this.
My pedal is actually non-adjustable.  It is among the more horrifying pieces of equipment I have ever seen.  It's low end even for Pacific.
I tried direct blanket-in-drum damping before, now I'm using tape on the head and I can't decide which I prefer.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 09 Feb 2009, 15:10
I use blankets, and a dampening ring on the snare.

What are your preferred drumheads? I dig clear Remo Emperors, and can't stand Evans. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 15:58
"John Henry Bonham- Moby Dick!":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed5YvFkcR7g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed5YvFkcR7g)

There was a man who really loved drums.  Part 2 has been taken down, unfortunately.

Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 16:03
I especially love the bare hands part.  He said he occasionally tore off skin on the hihats.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 16:05
I see that and raise you one "Futile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTUl-AMoJpU&fmt=18)".

Also, THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq6Fi3G4&fmt=18)

Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Feb 2009, 16:35
I use blankets, and a dampening ring on the snare.

What are your preferred drumheads? I dig clear Remo Emperors, and can't stand Evans. Thoughts?

I like Remo Coated Pinstripes.  My set seems to do a heavier, meatier rock sound better than anything else, so I tune my toms low with the coated pinstripes and slap a small amount of tape, and they sound pretty dull, good for pounding fills.  I also use a coated pinstripe on my snare, and tune it up pretty high.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 09 Feb 2009, 17:39
Really though, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2SARin-uPs
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 18:04
Yeah, oh yeah, well...oh, uh. Shit.

Steve Gadd AND Vinnie Colaiuta?

Incidentally, the best thing Steve Gadd ever did was with Simon & Garfunkel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8&fmt=18
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 18:59
I see that and raise you one "Futile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTUl-AMoJpU&fmt=18)".

Also, THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq6Fi3G4&fmt=18)


I still have a thing for simple, minimalist kits and equipment.  That was my favorite John Bonham feature: with four cymbals, four drums, a single bass pedal, and his bare hands he made magical, magical noise.  Bass triplets on one foot= my favorite thing ever.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 19:06
Greg Saunier (Deerhoof) is the most minimalist drummer I've ever seen...I was lucky to be about 3 metres from him when they played at a show here a couple years ago.

He played with a bass drum, snare drum, floor tom, ride cymbal, and hi-hat

I'm in doubt you would like Deerhoof, but, you might like Greg Saunier, he just kind of spazzes away at the drums and does some stuff I, to this day, don't know what he was doing.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 09 Feb 2009, 19:19
You have piqued my curiosity: Canada or U.K. or... somewhere else? (metres)

Also, I have never listened to Deerhoof, although I am familiar with the name- what style/genre?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 19:26
I'm from Canada..anyway, some videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijspl6rF7-I&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVl-doNlOsQ&fmt=18

They play a combination of noise rock and sugary indie pop. The *usual* reason people don't like them is the timbre of their instruments and Satomi's singing voice.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: SirJuggles on 09 Feb 2009, 19:44
I don't even see a floor tom in that first video. Though I do love how at 1:12 he hits a crash cymbal that isn't there.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 09 Feb 2009, 20:43
Who wants to hear an exceedingly shitty recording of yours truly!?

http://www.mediafire.com/?fucm3mmjzz3

!!!
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: SirJuggles on 09 Feb 2009, 23:17
I do not approve of whatever you were using for a crash/ride. Though I blame the recording for that mostly.

On the other hand, I loved the tom use around 0:30, as well as the smooth little hi-hat groove right before the the ending fill.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Feb 2009, 05:28
You have piqued my curiosity: Canada or U.K. or... somewhere else? (metres)

Also, I have never listened to Deerhoof, although I am familiar with the name- what style/genre?

Decent rock with the most annoying female voice you'll ever hear.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: valley_parade on 10 Feb 2009, 06:08
Atsuo, speaking of awesome and drumming.

Fucking Atsuo.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 10 Feb 2009, 11:30
one of my favorite drummers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMDcG3zAEI)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 10 Feb 2009, 20:08
Hm, somebody clearly listened to a bit too much bill bruford as a child.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Ballard on 10 Feb 2009, 21:56
This thread thinks it's funny. This thread isn't funny.

Greg Saunier (Deerhoof) is the most minimalist drummer I've ever seen...I was lucky to be about 3 metres from him when they played at a show here a couple years ago.

He played with a bass drum, snare drum, floor tom, ride cymbal, and hi-hat

Dude go listen to jazz.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 12 Feb 2009, 13:46
I'll bite. This is the setup I'm rocking right now.

http://s386.photobucket.com/albums/oo310/kguillemette/?action=view&current=003.jpg
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 12 Feb 2009, 13:50
Interesting angle on the snare drum.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 12 Feb 2009, 14:27
The snare is actually obscured. The blue drum is a 10" tom. I also have an 8" tom not pictured that I need a new head for. A testament to why you shouldn't play with inferior sticks, no matter how red and sparkly they are.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 12 Feb 2009, 14:30
The different finish was what threw me off.  That makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: IrK on 22 Feb 2009, 16:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuibdktNlWQ

current favourite drummers: JBonham, Keith Moon, Chad Smith, Dave Grohl (unordered)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Harun on 22 Feb 2009, 17:07
I'm not really a drummer, but there are a couple drummers that I think are pretty amazing, including:

Tomas Haake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BatXT196-Qw)
Branden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FQRRS2ZY2g) Wilson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBs6wDf2pWE)
Brann Dailor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3xmYzq3VtI&fmt=18)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: atimholt on 22 Feb 2009, 18:18
So, I'm not a drummer, but I'm vaguely interested. So I'm thinking I might eventually get one of those electronic drumkits, after I get a bunch of guitar stuff I want more.
Or, this thread puts forth the idea of playing minimalist kits. That might also work, except I'd want to experiment around with different sounds, and I'd play only casually, so I'd probably still go with an electronic set.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 22 Feb 2009, 18:27
If you play only on an electronic kit you won't learn how to have a good feel. Plastic feels nothing like hitting skins.

Also, it would be a supreme waste of money to get an electronic set and then never bother learning anything seriously, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 22 Feb 2009, 18:37
Here you go. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8xWSb6BRR0&feature=related)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Fatstrings on 23 Feb 2009, 06:29
I have a Ludwig Accent Custom Pro back home, but need to get a bigger place so I can move it out of my parent's basement finally :P

and since I didn't see him mentioned, I have to give it up to Travis Barker, for the variety of shit he can play and play well
oh and I've got to take some of it back from him for doing Soul'ja Boy covers


but for styles I got to give it up to Neil Peart


Also, curious what cymbal brands everyone favors, I'm partial to the Sabian B-8 thins I'm using, nice crisp sound
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Abigmoron on 23 Feb 2009, 06:54
If you play only on an electronic kit you won't learn how to have a good feel. Plastic feels nothing like hitting skins.

Also, it would be a supreme waste of money to get an electronic set and then never bother learning anything seriously, in my opinion.

For another point of view, I played an electronic drum-set for like 3 years and found it very very helpful due to the lack of parents wanting to kill me when I played at 2 in the morning.

You'll outgrow it, but you can then go out and get an actual set.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 23 Feb 2009, 12:00
I have a Ludwig Accent Custom Pro back home, but need to get a bigger place so I can move it out of my parent's basement finally :P

and since I didn't see him mentioned, I have to give it up to Travis Barker, for the variety of shit he can play and play well
oh and I've got to take some of it back from him for doing Soul'ja Boy covers


but for styles I got to give it up to Neil Peart


Also, curious what cymbal brands everyone favors, I'm partial to the Sabian B-8 thins I'm using, nice crisp sound
Ooh, this is the first mention of the one man I simply cannot stand.  I'm referring to Mr. Travis Barker.  I don't want to alienate anyone, so I'll leave it at that. 

I admit that Neil Peart is a very good, skilled player, but I dislike his style.

As for cymbals, I love my Paiste 2002s.  John Bonham, Alex Van Halen, Larry Mullen, Jr., and Patrick Carney (among others) all use them.  They have beautiful tone and are perfect if you like classic rock sound.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Melody on 23 Feb 2009, 13:30
I can think of few machine-hammered cymbals I've ever enjoyed playing.  My current set-ups has Sabian HHX and HHX Legacy models, as well as a few cheaper Dream Bliss models to hold me over until I get the cash for some K Constantinoples.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Ballard on 23 Feb 2009, 14:39
It's funny how in the guitar world there have emerged two brands of virtuosos- cheesy, over-the-top wankers (see: Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen) and classy, widely respected players (it's hard to make an example here because of differing tastes and opinions but they are everywhere) but you basically can't have a drumming thread without mentioning Neil Peart or Mike Portnoy.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Fatstrings on 23 Feb 2009, 17:23
Before you hate me, I respect Barker for his skills, not his talent, all I'm going to say


Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 23 Feb 2009, 18:12
If you play only on an electronic kit you won't learn how to have a good feel. Plastic feels nothing like hitting skins.

Also, it would be a supreme waste of money to get an electronic set and then never bother learning anything seriously, in my opinion.
Springing for an electric set to learn on is fine. Costs a heck of a lot less than a real set. Plus if you wind up not liking drums, you aren't out a whole lot.

It's a bigger waste of money if you ask me, to buy a real set and never play it, than buy an electric set and never play it.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 23 Feb 2009, 18:31
It's funny how in the guitar world there have emerged two brands of virtuosos- cheesy, over-the-top wankers (see: Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen) and classy, widely respected players (it's hard to make an example here because of differing tastes and opinions but they are everywhere) but you basically can't have a drumming thread without mentioning Neil Peart or Mike Portnoy.
I personally believe Neil Peart has a little wanker in him.  That's  why I dislike him.  I respect him very much, but I just cannot like his playing.  Portnoy, although he does play for a more complex and technical band, I find to be more enjoyable to listen to.  Maybe that's just me.  But my ultimate standard remains John Bonham: no one had better sound (driving, heavy, brooding, but still musical), he played for my favorite band, he played several styles well, and he was very, very talented for a mainstream drummer despite being largely-self taught.  I admire and like virtuosity; I love sound and creativity.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Fatstrings on 23 Feb 2009, 19:08
I wouldn't say the best way to figure out if you like drums is to get an electric set, I've never played around with one that had the comfort of an acoustic

plus I've only ever played one electric that I actually liked the sound of

I'll stick by acoustic all the way
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Miniluv on 23 Feb 2009, 20:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vEVSt6lpo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vEVSt6lpo&feature=related)

David Sandstrom

KTHXBAI
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: SirJuggles on 23 Feb 2009, 20:46
At the request of some musical friends who are in need of a drummer, I'm going to begin looking into assembling my own (acoustic) kit piece-by-piece. However, for the time being I'm somewhat limited on space and capital. So, without making too big a deal out of it, any simple suggestions for the most rudimentary kit possible? I'm thinking of trying to find a cheap bass drum, a snare, and then maybe some brushes for versatility. Think that'll work?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 24 Feb 2009, 01:11
best advice i can give regarding drum purchases is don't be cheap. if you try to save money by going with the inexpensive stuff, you'll end up spending just that much more when it breaks and you have to buy the expensive stuff 3 months from now. keep in mind that these are things you hit with sticks and step on over and over and over and over.

if you want to go new, get yourself a Pearl Visions (VSX or VX model) kit or a Yamaha Stage Custom kit. Both will last you a long, long time and sound very good, especially considering how much they cost, which is between $429 and $699 for the shells, depending on where you shop. You will then need a hardware set (hihat, snare and cymbal stand, plus bass drum pedal), and you should budget AT LEAST $200 for that. Based on my personal experience, Pearl's 800 and 900 series stuff is excellent, but it will up your initial purchase price quite a bit. I've been using an S900 snare stand for about 6 years now, and an 800 series hihat stand for 12 years, with no problems from either. From there, figure you've got to at least have a pair of hihats, a crash cymbal, and a ride cymbal. Cymbal packs are the most economic way to go, but they'll still run AT MINIMUM $149.99, and that's for a Paiste PST3 set, which is only a pair of 13 inch hihats and an 18in crash/ride cymbal.

No joke, a decent drumset that you won't have to add bunches to, or replace parts quickly, will run you between $1000-$1200. Big investment to be sure, but what you get will be of quality, and it will last you for years, literally.

Really, you need a solid snare and bass drum. you also need a good set of hihats and a good ride cymbal. crashes you can kind of skimp on to start, but eventually you'll want to put some serious cash into those as well.

If you're looking to buy used, start trolling ebay for orphan bass drums and single snares. I would HIGHLY recommend a maple shelled bass drum. It'll have a nice and warm sound with enhanced low end. For a snare, I prefer brass snares. They're all I use, and what I'd strongly encourage you to look at. They'll work in any situation with the right heads and right tuning. You can make them warm like a wood snare, you can make them have the bite and nastiness of a steel snare, and you can do everything in between. I have eleven snares at the moment; 1 is copper, 2 are steel, 1 is aluminum, 1 is maple, 1 is mahogany, 5 are brass of varying depths, shell thickness and age.

Pearl is BY FAR the brand I recommend the most. They give you a lot of product for a relatively minimal cost, especially considering the quality.

If you want to learn, and learn quickly, pick up Tommy Igoe's "Groove Essentials 1.0" package, it's got a DVD and a book that reference one another. If you can't learn the very basics of drumming by watching this video, you probably should forget music and consider quilting as a hobby instead. Also, Ted Reed's "Syncopation" is a great book that everyone has, as is "Stick Control". Carmine Appice's "Realistic Rock Method" is wonderful, even if he is kinda a tool.

Later on, Steve Smith's "History Of The US Beat" is an incredible DVD that you'll want to pick up.

remember when starting out that you need to stay relaxed and loose and use your wrists and fingers. don't tighten up and don't swing your arms wildly. you could potentially end up doing damage to your body that will come back to haunt you later.


As far as people I look to for motivation, here's a little list:
-Steve Smith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJh46j0cSY) (in my opinion, the best drummer alive today)
-Gene Hoglan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2a-MuZwBs) (for his rubber arms. a body that big should not move that fast. plus he's a super nice guy)
-Derek Roddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTrzBCp-Gtc) (incredible speed, power, and endurance)
-John Longstreth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFQUbhpuWA) (for his finger control and ambidexterity)
-Mike Bordin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJnT6rPSsvI) (for his feeling, and he hits the drums so hard it's almost comical)
- Hillary Jones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74aftc3fKuk) (for being super smooth and tasteful)
- Paul Leim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb5PxIAJnQ4) (for being an absolute pro. he's on loads and loads of records and almost no one knows who he is)
-Patrick Wilson (great feeling, especially on Weezer's "blue" record)
-Daniel Svensson (being way tasteful)
-Buddy Rich (the best ever. period.)



Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: evernew on 24 Feb 2009, 07:14
(http://i39.tinypic.com/10opmw0.jpg) (http://i39.tinypic.com/358rmvo.jpg) (http://i39.tinypic.com/xeq6hh.jpg)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Trollstormur on 24 Feb 2009, 07:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjVM2zmmiA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjVM2zmmiA)


if we're talking strictly skills...
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Ballard on 24 Feb 2009, 08:29
^ Most boring thing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 24 Feb 2009, 10:18
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 24 Feb 2009, 12:14
Darren Cesca having good technique and a Berkley degree doesn't mean he's exciting to watch. I always found what he did with Goratory to be very boring, as was what he did with Vile and Pillory. Only the recording he did with Arsis was an enjoyable listen. Burn In Silence was decent, but the drum sounds were awful.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 24 Feb 2009, 13:48
Thank you for once and for all proving my point that having amazing chops doesn't make you good at music. I will probably never have that guy's skills, but I will almost certainly never sound that bad.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Abigmoron on 24 Feb 2009, 14:55
At the request of some musical friends who are in need of a drummer, I'm going to begin looking into assembling my own (acoustic) kit piece-by-piece. However, for the time being I'm somewhat limited on space and capital. So, without making too big a deal out of it, any simple suggestions for the most rudimentary kit possible? I'm thinking of trying to find a cheap bass drum, a snare, and then maybe some brushes for versatility. Think that'll work?

Trutispinr's advice is good advice if your the type of person who will be unsatisfied with mediocre sounding equipment.  I've never really been bothered by mediocre gear, and just recently got a drum set for 200 dollars so here is what I'd recommend if your like me and seem to have no ear for the nuances of good equipment.

Go on Craigslist for your area and look around for drum sets in the 200-300 dollar range and go try them out (Bring someone along if you need someone to help you differentiate between bad and decent drums).  Some will be awful and others will be good enough that you'll enjoy hearing them.  Bonuses to look for include upgraded cymbals and bass drum pedals.  I was lucky enough to get a ZBT crash with the kit I bought, which isn't great by any means, but is much better than the crap cymbals most sets come with (and goes well with the B8 hi-hat and crash/ride that my parents were nice enough to get me for my birthday). 

If you're limited for space and don't have room for all the toms that these sets come with, just don't use them.  Put 'em in a closet.  It'll still be cheaper this way than buying a individual snare, snare stand, bass, bass pedal, and cymbal stands.  I'm stuck in the smallest room in my house, so one of my toms is currently gathering dust.

The only thing you really need to upgrade is the cymbals.  Stock cymbals are the worst.  I'd recommend something like this (http://tinyurl.com/c4euam) or this (http://tinyurl.com/cckqvn).  Again, these aren't great cymbals, but they are satisfactory to me.  If money is extra tight, just buy a set of high-hats.  The other cymbals aren't necessary, just nice to have.

Good luck with all this!  Hope it works out.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 27 Feb 2009, 13:29
Hey drumming enthusiasts/The Drum Thread, I finally got around to doing a little more recording, and amazingly, on a day where I wasnt fucking up horribly too much (today). So, since I think it actually came out decent, I figured what the hell, let's share with the drum thread. Everything is done in 1 take, recorded on a USB headset mic into garageband. Anyway, I recorded three songs, enjoy.

Air Blower by Jeff Beck
http://www.mediaf!re.com/?imhjmuyjmiz

Plume by Smashing Pumpkins, just to get something from within our lifetimes  :-D
http://www.mediaf!re.com/?qtzwmywhwjm

Starship Trooper by Yes, the live version. There's like, a 10 second gap around 3 and a half minutes while I fast forward through some acoustic interlude nonsense.
http://www.mediaf!re.com/?yjozzfmzqyw
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 27 Feb 2009, 16:20
Wow, that was really good. You clearly have a much better sounding kit than I do! And a little more discipline to actually learn songs all the way through :P

My only 'criticism' is your foot could use some strengthening. Do you play heel up or heel down? I play a hybrid of both.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 27 Feb 2009, 16:30
I'd recommend buying some badass headphones and playing along with stuff. It's how I practice songs now, and it really helps with timing and learning things period.

Also, thanks, and I play heel up. I have the bass drum pretty heavily muted right now, and none of those songs are particularly bass heavy at all. I'll record some more foot-technical shit later this weekend. My right foot is actually pretty damn solid, my left sucks though.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 27 Feb 2009, 16:34
I've got some headphones (Sennheisers), but I really have to mute everything in order for me to hear things properly, so I guess I'll get around to doing that eh?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 27 Feb 2009, 16:44
Possibly yeah, I mute all of my stuff.

http://www.vicfirth.com/product/buynow/product.php?button=SIH1

I use those, they are very quality stuff.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Be My Head on 27 Feb 2009, 17:27
Thanks for the link, I'll definitely pick up a pair when I have the money.

I'll have to ask my bandmates whether or not I can plug these into anything (we're pretty low budget right now)
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 27 Feb 2009, 17:34
I use those same models and I think they're phenomenal for the price.  They're also pretty awesome for airplanes and just general music listening.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Miniluv on 01 Mar 2009, 00:05
I have the same pair that I use for recording. I like them better than the $149 Shure Iso Earbuds.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 01 Mar 2009, 06:41
First of all: two good references (1984, The Simpsons).  Second: does anyone else HATE earbuds?  I think they're really, really uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 01 Mar 2009, 10:10
http://www.buy-headphones.com/bose-inear-stereo-headphones-p-145.html?osCsid=136a0b64177a8d9ed282530c2bc6000e

Those are actually really good and really comfortable.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: uneducatedweasel on 02 Mar 2009, 17:13
Lo people. Been lurking for some time, thought I may as well add my thoughts.

+1 on those bose headphones. Having used the cheapest set I could buy for many years it was nice to hear bass again.

In terms of getting an upgrade to stock cymbals, I can really reccomend new staggs. The most recent run is unbelievable for the price. Really punch above the "name brands".

Fav Drummers would be the standards (Bonham, Moon, Mitchell etc). In terms of slightly more esoteric choices I would say Guy Davis of Reuben. His fill construction has really changed the way I play. That and he's a nice guy.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 02 Mar 2009, 17:54
Nothing wrong with the classics.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 06 Mar 2009, 08:29
My favorite drummer is probably Gene Hoglan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJbZLQ4Qy4
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Christophe on 10 Mar 2009, 07:40
Hey guys, what are some good ways to develop limb independence? I notice that oftentimes I can't get away with playing something different on my right hand and foot, so that when I hit the ride or hi-hats, say an extra time in the measure my right foot will follow along. It's just a tad bit annoying.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 10 Mar 2009, 11:32
Practice, really. Try playing the part with only your feet until muscle memory will play it for you. Then use your hands to play along.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 10 Mar 2009, 13:52
What really kills me, and I don't know why, is two handed hihat stuff.  I can never transfer properly with my right hand from hat to snare.  It's kind of annoying because I really want to play Sunday Bloody Sunday and some Foo Fighters stuff.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 10 Mar 2009, 16:47
Yeah, both those issues are really just practice, practice, practice, practice, practice. Limb independence is pretty much the hardest thing.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 10 Mar 2009, 18:46
I agree.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Moist Cowboy on 14 Mar 2009, 20:22
I spent 7 months learning theory, independence, and rudiments

BUT

I sorta suck with playing with people!

Any effective ways to work on this, other than the obvious play with lots of people a lot?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Trollstormur on 19 Mar 2009, 18:43
Hey guys, what are some good ways to develop limb independence? I notice that oftentimes I can't get away with playing something different on my right hand and foot, so that when I hit the ride or hi-hats, say an extra time in the measure my right foot will follow along. It's just a tad bit annoying.


you know what? I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: rock band.

i'm not bullshitting you.



Alright here's something I've always wondered about: The Drummer's Poop.

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but since I incorporate a lot of double bass into my practice sessions, my lower body moves a lot. Has anyone experienced having to take a really wicked dump right after or during practice sessions often?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 20 Mar 2009, 10:24
hmm no, can't say i have.


in other, drum related, news i finally went and picked up my drums from my parents' house last week and i am so stoked. i haven't really played them much in quite a long time but now they are in my living room, accessible at all times. it is great.

espescially because my buddy is bringing over his computer today and we are going to record so many goddamn songs! whoooo
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Patrick on 21 Mar 2009, 13:28
Back when I was still an active drummer (fuck me, it's been 4 years) I had a lot of what you mentioned, Troll. Probably not to the same extent, because most of my left leg's movement was just me getting very active on a hi-hat.

So after not having played drums for several years, I'm thinking of getting back into it. I've never actually owned my own kit, but I know how to tune drums and all of that shit. I'm just wondering if I should save up and spring for a really amazing, high-end kit (like a Ludwig Vistalite, I plan on doing a lot of recording and maybe even gigging) or if I should just stop drooling over pretty gear, get something less expensive, and just upgrade as I keep going on with my music.

Also, everybody here should listen to some goddamn Caribou. I've only ever heard the one song "Twins" (thanks, Tommy) but holy SHIT I've never heard anything that amazing out of a single drummer.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: SirJuggles on 21 Mar 2009, 13:33
Man, no matter what you do never, ever stop drooling over pretty gear. It is a part of our souls.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 21 Mar 2009, 18:17
Drooling over pretty gear is okay, blowing tons of money on it when you've already proven you're capable of just stopping playing it is bad! Buy something cheap until you figure out whether or not you really want to keep drumming, then upgrade.

Speaking of upgrades and expensive things, does anyone have one these? http://zildjian.com/EN-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=1011&typeID=11&productID=1223

If so, is it awesome? I think I want one.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Patrick on 21 Mar 2009, 23:31
Well, I mean, I never really wanted to stop in the first place, but I never owned my own kit because neither of my parents ever thought it was important enough for them to put up with that kind of noise. I still dick around on my practice pad from time to time, but I've gotten so rusty that I would basically be starting over.

But if I had a kit, you can be damn sure I'd be playing that sucker at least as much as I do my guitars.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 22 Mar 2009, 07:10
Eh, still, start cheap. Build up, replace, upgrade etc. as you progress.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Trollstormur on 23 Mar 2009, 08:13
Speaking of upgrades and expensive things, does anyone have one these?

I've played with something similar before, and I really like them. That fella from Absu uses one and he makes it work.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 21 Apr 2009, 19:37
http://s386.photobucket.com/albums/oo310/kguillemette/?action=view&current=031.jpg

Just made my first major upgrade. Got a 10" deep Pulse maple snare to replace the crappy one I'd been using. Has completely reignited my interest in playing and improving. I couldn't stop paradiddling for like 2 hours. If there was anyone around, I would have easily drove them insane.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 29 Apr 2009, 13:25
Hello Drum Thread, check this shit out:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/dazedandconfused-/IMG_0278.jpg)

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 02 May 2009, 19:14
Pretty.  Very pretty.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Waferman on 03 May 2009, 12:46
Melanie Campell is my favorite drummer. In Frog Eyes, the drums are used less like a metronome or a conductor and more like another instrument.

No drum solos, though.

Drum solos, in my opinion, suck.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Patrick on 03 May 2009, 13:27
Melanie Campell is my favorite drummer. In Frog Eyes, the drums are used less like a metronome or a conductor and more like another instrument.

See also: Janet Weiss in her work with Sleater-Kinney. I am also partial to her work as the drummer for Steven Malkmus and the Jicks but she kicked ass in S-K.

That cymbal looks awesome, I bet it sounds bitchin'. I had a buddy back in the day who made his own one of these, but instead of shooting rivets into the cymbal, he just used electrical tape to attach some pennies to the cymbal. Sounded pretty convincing!
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 04 May 2009, 18:00
Drum solos, in my opinion, suck.
For the most part, I agree, but there are a few exceptions.  If you don't mind dropping thirty bucks, and are one of the few people on this forum with a real taste for classic rock, I recommend the self-titled Led Zeppelin DVD, and watching "Moby Dick" on the first disc.  Absolutely unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 04 May 2009, 19:10
Also every drum solo ever by Billy Cobham. Bad drum solos are the worst. Good drum solos are awesome.

Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Patrick on 05 May 2009, 02:09
Rush's Neil Peart is a fucking fantastic drummer but I think his rockouts are a bit over-rehearsed. I mean, every single time they play "YYZ" live, it is always the exact same. Absolutely no variation in any part of the routine.

Then again, I guess that stops Rush from devolving into a shitty jam band, so that's good. Self-regulation is admirable. Still, though, I sometimes wonder what Neil's improvisational skills are like, and feel bad that maybe two people in the world get to see them.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 13 May 2009, 16:39
My favorite bands tend to be the ones with some improvisational ability.  I think it's a lot more fun to hear the different decisions they make on different cuts than to just hear the same exact thing- the Eagles did that, and that's why they're exceptionally boring.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 14 May 2009, 00:33
here's what i'm playing on right now

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/DSC01786.jpg)

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/DSC01788.jpg)

GMS Grand Master Series kit 10x9, 12x9, 16x16, 22x18. Slingerland Sound King 14x8 snare.
Cymbals, l-r. 18in Paiste Prototype China, 14in Paiste Twenty hihats, 13in Paiste Signature Mega Cup Chime, 9in Zildjian Zil-bel, 19in Paiste Prototype Crash, 20in Paiste 2002 Rock Crash, 18in Paiste Alpha Rock China, 21in Zildjian Z mega bell ride.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 14 May 2009, 06:02
That's a lot of Paiste, I'm generally not a fan of them. Nice kit/set up though.

EDIT: what is that cymbal rack you're using?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 14 May 2009, 12:15
I love Paiste, but I prefer matched cymbals- I rock the 2002s right now, and they have really good complementary tone.  That being said, that's a very impressive set up.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 14 May 2009, 13:32
That's a lot of Paiste, I'm generally not a fan of them. Nice kit/set up though.

EDIT: what is that cymbal rack you're using?

it's a Pearl DR503-C. I'm only using the front, I don't use the side extensions. I like my stuff to be right out in front of me, never to the sides, so the side wings are not needed.

I love Paiste. to me their cymbals sound the best. unfortunately they don't make anything quite like the Zil Bel or the Z series Mega Bell ride (before they became the Z Custom line and began lathing them), so I'm stuck using a zildjian product for those. Never been a fan of all matching cymbals, i like having some serious contrast in sound. Paiste cymbals tend to compliment each other well though, regardless of series. If i had the $$$, I'd switch out all my crashes and chinas for all Twenty series stuff. Soooooo nice. Can't imagine ever getting rid of the Mega Bell though.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 14 May 2009, 13:43
Interesting, I've been meaning to pick up a decent rack since I'm out of room for stands around my kit. How do you like that one?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 14 May 2009, 16:05
love it. Pearl hardware is the only way to go. Great value for what you are getting.

As far as racks go, anything but the DR503C is kinda dumb. We're going to hang heavy objects off a round tube and be surprised when things slip? Yea, but the Pearl, get a square tube and NOTHING ever moves. Plus, it's stable enough that you can remove one, or both, of the side wings and there's no danger of it tipping or becoming wonky.

I can't say enough good things about Pearl hardware. the only other company I own anything by is gibraltar (and who doesn't have gibraltar pieces somewhere???) and Axis for my pedals. Soon as I get the cash together, the two gibraltar cymbal arms are getting replaced with CH100s. NO ONE makes hardware that can compete with Pearl's, especially when you look at the money you're putting down for it.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Ballard on 14 May 2009, 21:11
See also: Janet Weiss in her work with Sleater-Kinney.

(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz678outcome2.jpg)

(http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/images/sleater-kinney-793796.jpg)

I can see it.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 19 May 2009, 18:05
Oh man, drum thread. Exciting times. I decided to reward myself for not fucking up this year at college by upgrading my hardware, including the purchase of the rack we were discussing above.

So this is what the kit looks like as of 5 minutes ago, it's set up in the living room at the moment because I'm out of room in the basement.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/dazedandconfused-/IMG_0338.jpg)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/dazedandconfused-/IMG_0340.jpg)

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/dazedandconfused-/IMG_0341.jpg)

Whooooo
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: KeepACoolin on 19 May 2009, 18:44
Question time: what do people feel about coated/clear heads?  At the moment, I have coated snare, clear toms and bass.  I've never had anything different.  Do you guys feel like the difference is significant?  If so, how exactly do you find it modifies the sound?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Dazed on 19 May 2009, 19:19
Probably obvious from my kit, but I'm a clear fan myself.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 19 May 2009, 23:00
Question time: what do people feel about coated/clear heads?  At the moment, I have coated snare, clear toms and bass.  I've never had anything different.  Do you guys feel like the difference is significant?  If so, how exactly do you find it modifies the sound?

it really comes down to what sound you're looking for, and what will sound best on the drums you play. as a general rule, coated heads tend to be a bit warmer and rounder sounding than clear heads, which tend to have a little bit more attack and bite to their sound.

there really are no rules as to what should be used on what drum. best i can say is figure out what sound you want. then try to think of what your drums are designed to sound like, because each drum has its own unique tuning range and ideal pitch and tone. a birch drum will never be as warm as a maple or mohogany, and neither mohogany or maple will have the attack that birch gives you. same goes for a snare...there are certain tones, sounds, and pitches that different types of drums simply can't achieve because of their depth/diameter or shell material.

really though, the only way to go about it is through trial and error.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 04 Mar 2010, 12:21
So I'm looking to upgrade my cymbals in the near future. I'm for the most part a metal drummer, though I do venture into blues, punk, and funk from time to time. I played on a friend's kit that has A-Customs and those are almost perfect for what I'm trying to do, especially the 22" ping ride. Since I'm fixing to spend some decent change on these, are there any other lines by other brands I should check out befor I go for the Zildjian A-Customs?

For ref- I play a Gretsch Catalina Maple kit.

edit: hi thread necro
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 08 Mar 2010, 12:10
yea, check out all of them, and take a long time doing it. don't worry about brand, worry about sound. take a cymbal you already have that you want to keep playing along with whatever new ones you buy, and compare new ones in the store to it to make sure they compliment each other.

if you're playing harder/louder/heavier music, i'd avoid any crashes smaller than 17 inches. also, splashes are kinda going to be a waste unless you're going to be playing with a kit that always is going to have microphones on it. no one will hear them otherwise, especially in a loud setting, and you'll inevitably end up hitting them harder and harder trying to get more volume out of them, and just end up breaking them. i'd also avoid chinas that are smaller than 18 inches, the exception being Zildjian's Oriental China Trash in 16. any other 16 inch china i've ever played didn't endure, and i don't hit particularly hard, or with poor technique. can't go wrong with 18 inch chinas, in any type of music. 20 inch chinas are cool, but just too hard to control, the exception being Paiste's Twenty series 20 inch. that's just awesome. or if you can find one of their Signature Dark Energy chinas in 20 inches....they're discontinued, but they're still out there.

for your ride cymbal, are you going to be solely playing it with the tip of the stick on the body and the shank of the stick on the bell, or are you going to be crashing on it too? what sort of metal are you playing? are we talking Brutus, Fleshcrawl, and Blood Red Throne type metal? or are we talking Winds Of Plague/Despised Icon breakdown metalcore?

if you want a nice heavy ride with a good articulate body sound and a nice, piercing bell, Zildjian's K Custom Dry ride. it only comes in 20 inches, and sounds great. As do Sabian's AAX Raw Bell Dry Ride, Sabian's HH Raw Bell Dry Ride, Sabian's Vault Definition Ride, Zildjian's A Custom Rezo Ride, and Zildjian's Z3 Rock Ride, Paiste's Signature Dark Metal Ride, Signature Dry Heavy Ride or Signature Reflector Bell Ride, 2002 Power or Heavy rides, or Rude Power ride. All sound great and would work in many types of music. However, they're not suitable for crashing....they're too heavy, and you'd end up breaking them fairly quickly due to their lack of flexibility.

if you want a ride to crash on, in addition to their body and bell sounds, Sabian's Vault Encore ride, Paiste's Rude Crash/Ride, Zildjian's Sweet Ride or K Crash/ride. these are all designed to flex, and are somewhat thinner weight cymbals.

for hihats, you've got to figure out what you'll be playing more often than not. if your hats are going to be kept half open at all time, and you'll be rarely playing them with your foot, then go for something heavy that'll give you insane volume. Zildjian's Z3 Dyno Beat would be a great option for that. however, they're only going to be used for metal or punk, something where subtlety or nuance isn't required. If you need something that has the capability to be versatile, then go for a hihat set that has a thicker cymbal on the bottom, and a somewhat lighter cymbal on top. Zildjian's K/Z combo or any Mastersoud models, Sabian's AAX Fusion or Xcelerator hihats, or Paiste's Twenty or 2002 Heavy Hihats or Rude Sound Edge hihats would all be good options.

don't rush into anything, and don't worry about making sure they all match, brand or series wise. take time to find the best sound for you and the way you play. if you're going to drop upwards of $1300 on four cymbals, you'd better be happy with them, and happy with playing them, for years.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 09 Mar 2010, 07:53
I've definitely decided on Z Custom/Z3 Dyno Beat for my hihat. They're just perfect for grooving on(think Clutch or the slower side of Pantera) and they sound great when I need to open them up to start a fill(think Maiden or Sabbath).

I need to give Paiste the time of day though. I've tried most of those rides minus the Paiste, and the Ping Ride is the one I've been coming back to.

Really appreciate the post. Very informative stuff.

I guess because I can, my kit

http://s386.photobucket.com/albums/oo310/kguillemette/?action-view&current=001-2.jpg&newest=1
http://s386.photobucket.com/albums/oo310/kguillemette/?action-view&current=002-1.jpg&newest=1

I love so much. It's time to move away from ZXT's though.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 09 Mar 2010, 11:30
if you're liking the sound JP Gaster from Clutch has out of his hihats, avoid the Dyno Beats then. WAY too heavy. He's using Meinl Byzance Traditional Medium hihats.

if you enjoy his hihat sound, which is kind of dark, try the Paiste Twenty hats. They can get you some serious volume while still being articulate.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 13 Mar 2010, 23:13
if you're liking the sound JP Gaster from Clutch has out of his hihats, avoid the Dyno Beats then. WAY too heavy. He's using Meinl Byzance Traditional Medium hihats.

if you enjoy his hihat sound, which is kind of dark, try the Paiste Twenty hats. They can get you some serious volume while still being articulate.
Will do. Really appreciate the advice from someone who's seen it all apparently.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 15 Mar 2010, 10:52
not quite all, but a good part of it, having spent the last 5 years selling drum gear for a living.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 18 Mar 2010, 23:32
just so you don't think i'm some loudmouth internet expert spouting baseless opinions on gear, i figured i'd share some photos....

some people have a girlfriend, i have drums.


(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0319.jpg)
my ride cymbals. from left to right: early 1990s Zildjian 21inch Z Custom Mega Bell Ride, mid 1980s 21inch Zildjian Z Mega Bell Ride, mid 1970s 18inch Ufip Medium ride, 1998 22inch Zildjian Z Custom Ride, 2008 20inch Paiste Twenty Prototype Light Ride, Late 1990s 20inch Paiste Signature Dry Dark Ride.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0322.jpg)
hihats and other misc sounds. from left to right: Paiste Dimensions 14inch Medium Heavy Crunch Hats, Paiste 14inch Twenty Hihats, (front) Paiste 13inch Signature Mega Cup Chime (back) Paiste 14inch 2002 Rock Hats, (front) Zildjian 9inch Zil Bel, (back) mid 1970s Zildjian 14inch New Beat Hihats, (front) Sabian 14in Radia bell, (back) 1998 Zildjian 14inch Z Custom Hihats, Sabian 14inch Paragon hihats.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0320.jpg)
my china cymbals. from left to right: Paiste 18inch Alpha china, Paiste 18inch New Alpha Rock china, Paiste 18inch Alpha prototype china.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0321.jpg)
my crashes. from left to right: Sabian 18in AA Medium crash, Paiste 19in 2002 Prototype thin crash, Paiste 19inch 2002 crash, 18inch Zildjian Z Custom Rock crash, Zildjina 16inch Z Crash, Zildjian 16inch A Custom Projection crash, 19inch Zildjian A Custom crash, 18inch Sabian AAXplosion crash. In the box is a 20inch Paiste 2002 Power Crash.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0323.jpg)
some of my snares. top to bottom: DW black nickel over brass 14x5, Slingerland Sound King 14x8 brass, 1970s Pearl maple 14x5, 1972 Rogers Dynasonic 14x5.5, GMS Grand Master maple 14x6, Yamaha Jimmy Chamberlain 14x5.5

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0324.jpg)
my main kit

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/IMG_0325.jpg)
my scaled down kit

i've got more stuff at home that i don't use at the moment and didn't feel like unburying from my closet.... 18inch Zildjian A Custom china, 16in Zildjian oriental china trash, 18inch Sabian AAX stage crash, 20inch Paiste Prototype dry dark ride, Rogers 14x6.5 snare, Tama Imperialstar 14x6.5 snare, Ludwig 1970s 14x5.5 Acrolite snare, Pearl 14x3.5 Free Floating snare with copper shell, and a Rogers 14x5.5 Powertone and 14x5.5 Dynasonic shells that need hardware and rims.

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/n1404193518_30053302_7920.jpg)
before we unleash metal, we hydrate

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/26494_1393073432570_1404193518_3105.jpg)
metal drummer goes surf

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/26494_1393073392569_1404193518_3105.jpg)
more surf shenanigans.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: kyleg on 20 Mar 2010, 23:51
That is some serious gear there, man. That's a lot of premium cymbals.

In other news, I've updated my hats to Paiste signature 14" Sound Edge. It was love at first sight when I tried them out.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 21 Mar 2010, 10:58
excellent acquisition. they're great hihats.

hopefully the salesperson who sold them to you warned you about cleaning them. In case he didn't, use ONLY the Paiste cleaner in the orange bottle, and use it sparingly. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use any other cleaner like Groove Juice, Zims, the Zildjian cream or Sabian spray.....Paiste puts a finishing coat on their cymbals that will be taken off by any cleaner other than the Paiste stuff. I'd still even avoid that if possible. It's inevitable that your cymbals will get dirty, but with Paiste you should just be able to use a clean cloth to take off fingerprints because of the coating they apply....fingerprints and such should just wipe off. If not, try a slightly damp rag, not soaked, but just a little moist.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Failcake on 23 Mar 2010, 21:28
As much as I love all this talk of set drums... Where the corps drummers at?
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 29 Feb 2012, 15:55
Here's almost all of my drums

1968 Ludwig Standard kit
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/new.jpg)
1995 GMS Grand Master kit
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/tourkit.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/rack.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/axis.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0697.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0700.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0701.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0702.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0703.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0704.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0706.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0707.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0708.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0709.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0710.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0711.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0712.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0713.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0715.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0716.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0717.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0718.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0719.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0721.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0722.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0724.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0723.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0725.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0726.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0727.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0728.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0729.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0730.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0731.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0732.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0732a.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0733.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0734.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0735.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0736.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0738.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0739.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0740.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0741.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0742.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0743.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0744.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0745.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0746.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0748.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0750.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0751.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0752.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0753.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0754.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0755.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0756.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0757.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0759.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/IMG_0760.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/turtlspinr/drums/ithaca.jpg)


Not pictured are the cymbals and snares I used this last weekend....they're in the van at the guitarist's house...Tama Starclassic Brass 5.5x14 snare, Pork Pie black nickel over brass 6.5x14 snare, 14in Meinl MB20 Heavy Soundwave Hihats, 19in Meinl MB20 Heavy Crash, 20in Meinl MB20 Heavy Crash, 21in Z Custom Mega Bell Ride, 18in Meinl MB20 Rock China, 14in Meinl Byzance Sand Hats, 20in Meinl Byzance Sand Ride, 22in Meinl Byzance Medium Crash, 18in Meinl Byzance Extra Dry Thin Crash.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2012, 03:39
I haven't been in this thread since May '09 and when I saw that photodump I nearly jizzed myself. And bonus points to whomever is responsible for that '68 Ludwig standard kit. I jizzed twice just for that.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: turtlspinr on 02 Mar 2012, 10:23
The 68 Standard is mine, as is all the gear in the previous post.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Zingoleb on 04 Mar 2012, 15:08
See also: Janet Weiss in her work with Sleater-Kinney.

(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz678outcome2.jpg)

(http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/images/sleater-kinney-793796.jpg)

I can see it.

Fun fact: I read this post while I happened to be listening to Touch-A Touch-A Touch me.
Title: Re: The Drum Thread
Post by: Boo on 03 Apr 2012, 03:21
Ah!  Drum thread!  Me like.

I'm new to the forum (just signed up today), and having a mooch about.  Always happy to talk drum porn gear.

Still playing my trusty Pearl Export that I've had since '89, but with plenty of upgrades...

Pearl Masters Custom 14" x 6.5" Maple snare with Canopus snare wires
BD Drums, one-off 14" x 5" Birch snare
Pearl Free Floating 14" x 3.5" Brass Piccolo snare

Bass pedal and Hi-Hat are both Pearl Eliminator Powershifter (highly recommended!)

And the metal...

Paiste Signature

13" Dark Crisp Hi-hats
21" Dark Crisp Ride
20" Flat Ride
15" Fast Crash
16" Mellow Crash
17" Fast Crash
18" Full Crash
10" Splash
8" Bell

Also...

Zildjian 13" Quick Beat Hi-hats
Zildjian 17" K China
Wuhan 14" China

And as much percussion as I can hide in the cupboard under the stairs without my wife finding it.

Someone was talking (probably a long time ago) about bass drum damping.  I've tried many different methods over the years, but this (http://www.evansdrumheads.com/EvProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3567&productid=457&productname=EQ_Pad_) was a revelation.  Kills the over ring, but lets the drum sing.  And is much lighter than having a big old pillow in there...