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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: KvP on 01 Jun 2009, 12:45
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Shit's happening you know.
Left 4 Dead 2 trailer (http://betav2.gamersyde.com/stream_11137_en.html)
Monkey Island returns (http://betav2.gamersyde.com/news_7920_en.html#forum)
Alan Wake drops in 2010 (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/01/alan-wake-is-real-coming-spring-2010/)
Lego Harry Potter (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/01/lego-harry-potter-magically-appearing-in-2010/)
etc etc
What are y'all excited about?
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At the moment, the PSP Go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ne93VZZc0&fmt=22). I don't know why but it makes me want to buy it.
Left 4 Dead 2 looks so damn good.
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Mass Effect 2 demmmmmooooooo
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MONKEY *#$!ING ISLAND BITCHES
Best news ever. EVER. Polio vaccine? FUCK YOU, this is better.
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Also, that Project Natal that Microsoft is working on looks pretty rad.
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Left 4 Dead 2 unf. Let's just hope that they don't use shitty discs for the console version that break after a month or two of play. FUCK why isn't my Xbox back from the shop yet?
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MGS: Rising
As of yet, undecided, but a little bit nervous.
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LEFT 4 DEAD 2?!?!?!
Valve, i was really hoping this would read "Portal 2" instead, you cunts. i mean, i love L4D as much as the next guy, but damn, i don't even have the internet. plus Portal is, like, the best game ever, man. dude.
fuuuuckshiiiiiijtaaahhhhh
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"And if we run out of bullets"
*revs up chainsaw*
"They're going to wish we hadn't"
Fuck yes. My friend isn't to happy, he thinks they should have just made more levels in the first one.
I mean c'mon, look at this awesome:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/left_4_dead_the_parish.jpg)
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Fuck that guy. L4D2 featuring Philip Banks, Ben Affleck, Tommy Vercetti and the chick from season 2 of Heroes is what I am all about.
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I think calling it a sequel will have the same effects on L4D as calling Vegas 2 a sequel had on the Rainbow Six series. Case in point, it sounds more like an expansion pack than a dedicated offering.
Then again, chainsaws.
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except as far as i can tell it's going to be packaged and sold as a sequel?
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So was Rainbow Six Vegas 2. And I liked the game, but it was built on exactly the same engine, mostly same weapons, models, gameplay. New levels. Sounds like what we'll be seeing here, as well.
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that's what fallout: new vegas is going to be too?
also i read reports that said it was going to have a new version of the AI director in it that can generate weather systems and stuff
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And also change pathways through levels and whatnot.
I am pretty excited for the whole Natal dealio. And ME2, Alan Wake, COD:MW2, Dead Rising 2, L4D2, Last.FM and Milo. And that's just Microsoft's press conference. There's probably a fuckton more awesome things coming down the pipe.
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moar massafuckingfecttwo plz
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Lots of L4D2 videos.
Frying pan (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_fryingpan_052809.html) (looks fairly unspectacular at this stage)
Axe + SPAS-12 (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_alarm_052809.html;jsessionid=3eewr202pjbdv) (much better)
More axe action (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_axeownage_052809.html;jsessionid=18a3kr17k1tn9)
Theater (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_saferoom_052809.html;jsessionid=x2xx72f0fptu)
Incendiary Ammo (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_fireammo_052809.html)
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but you have to watch this one just for the vocal clip around 1:49 (http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14352245/left-4-dead-2/videos/l4d2_gmp_dockstart_052809.html).
I am buying this game because of that.
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Netal has me pretty pumped. Microsoft pretty much owned.
Nintendo. New Golden Sun, new Mario Galaxy (You get Yoshi) and a Metroid game made by Team Ninja. I don't want Samus to have boob physics.
Sony: A PSP with a slide up screen but no second analog even though it has all the room in the world for it?
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Oh, here's a trailer for that metroid game. Looks pretty sweet.
Click me (http://kotaku.com/5275854/new-metroid-game-announced-metroid-other-m)
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I'm seeing a lot of hardcores bitching about Nintendo. Last year they got shit for putting out new tech (The Wii Motion Plus) with little info on major new games, this year they get shit on despite putting forth announcements for a sequel to one of the best RPG series ever and three games from two of their three tent pole series. They just can't win.
On the record, Metroid's got me fucking pumped. The Ridley fight looks nasty. My guess is it's a prequel, judging by the guy who calls her "Lady" bearing a striking personality resemblance to the commanding officer she names her computer after in Fusion.
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It's a sequel.
That's just a flashback sequence to her and Adam, I'm pretty sure.
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Red Steel 2 looks excellent.
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Alan Wake Trailer + gameplay (http://kotaku.com/5274839/alan-wake-creeps-me-out)
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wow, after all the waiting and hype that looks surprisingly...mediocre.
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I actually like what was in the trailer. I mena, it wasn't a ton of footage, so unfortunately there isn't much to go off of, but I'm happy to see something emerging.
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Sony, for me, did rather well. FFXIV announced for sometime soon, the multi-platform games, their answer to Natal, which is promising, but the boy in there...I keep sensing a sex game coming out of this.
God of War III, ModNation both excited me immensely, and The Last Guardian, GT5, Uncharted 2
Better than last year.
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You must be about the only person for Final Fantasy XIV. Another shitty Square MMO? No thanks. Honestly, I think Sony's was entirely underwhelming. The Go was leaked a week ago and MS introduced a better motion sensing technology yesterday, so the motion crap had no real thunder. Everything else was basically just reminders of stuff that's been in dev for like a year. Nintendo had all those game announcements and MS had some insane tech improvements, Sony really didn't have either.
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I thought Sony's conference was better than Nintendo's. Nintendo's just felt like a repeat of last years', except with a few 'core' titles thrown into the mix. Sony demoed a ton of games, which while not enough to get me to buy a PS3, were substantially more interesting to me than Nintendo's lineup. Their new tech isn't nearly as interesting as Natal, but it was cooler than the MotionPlus. I mean, what the fuck was the deal with the Vitality Sensor anyway? They just announced it, didn't really explain it at all, and moved on to the next topic.
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You must be about the only person for Final Fantasy XIV. Another shitty Square MMO? No thanks. Honestly, I think Sony's was entirely underwhelming. The Go was leaked a week ago and MS introduced a better motion sensing technology yesterday, so the motion crap had no real thunder. Everything else was basically just reminders of stuff that's been in dev for like a year. Nintendo had all those game announcements and MS had some insane tech improvements, Sony really didn't have either.
Here, maybe. JRPG fans were orgasming at the news, that was for them, I guess. As for motion sensor stuff, I preferred Sony's, as you would be able to hold something as you swung it around. Both were basically catching up to the Wii and both will develop in time.
Nintento's games were the same old things again. MS and technology winning, sure, but games wise I'd say Sony won.
Sorry if I make no sense, it's almost 4am
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MONKEY *#$!ING ISLAND BITCHES
This. All other games this year will be utter shit in comparison. Utter. Shit.
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Man, Sony came in third again.
Poor Sony.
Ain't never gonna catch themselves a break.
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I dunno, Alan Wake looks like it is at the very least a pretty cool idea. I was worried for a moment when he got into the cable car that it was gonna turn into a rail shooter segment, and was happy when it didn't.
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Well at least we know what Square Enix's Rapture is.
And 4-player co-op on MGS: Peace Walker looks great.
And here's to hoping GoW III won't be stale! =D I'm favouring the Sony and Microsoft stuffs this time. The N's announcement was for like, 5 core Nintendo games, some more WiiFit gimmicks and that was it, right?
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GoW III from the demo looked great - he had friggin' wings.
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Here, maybe. JRPG fans were orgasming at the news, that was for them, I guess.
JRPG fans shat themselves over Final Fantasy XI, but it was still an absolute dud.
Nintento's games were the same old things again. MS and technology winning, sure, but games wise I'd say Sony won.
By jove, you're right! Sony sure did wow the crowd with new and exciting properties like God of War III, Uncharted II, Final Fantasy XIV and Gran Turismo 5!
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Here, maybe. JRPG fans were orgasming at the news, that was for them, I guess.
JRPG fans shat themselves over Final Fantasy XI, but it was still an absolute dud.
I certainly wouldn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole (and I am a JRPG fan), but it seems to have made them money hand over fist.
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I have a friend who has played it for 2 years, and I am still puzzled by his attraction to it.
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FFXI is gigantic pain in the ass of a game. It is utterly grindtastic and it takes a ridiculous amount of time to accomplish anything. And that criticism is coming from a dude who played WoW pretty much all the time at one point. Everything takes forever in FFXI, including installing the damned thing. You can and likely will die to a rabbit at some point, because with few exceptions the game is based upon forced grouping and because the game features some seriously epic rabbits. When it is all said and done, WoW may be a bit too easy, but at least there's things to poke around and do in the meantime while trying to get a group up and running. I've logged in and killed 15 minutes in WoW before and used that time "productively"; I doubt I'd bother even logging into FFXI without having at least an hour to kill.
Anyway, I liked the Ninja Gaiden revival as much as anyone, but I can't honestly say I'm as excited about the idea of a Team Ninja-Nintendo Metroid partnership as the guys from Penny Arcade apparently are. Basically, I like what they did with Ninja Gaiden in spite of the their fascination with incomprehensible plots, bad voice acting and gigantic breasts. I guess it just bothers me a bit because Metroid's exploration and rather austere tone has always been my favorite things about the series. I'm still not really comfortable with the ideas of a talking Samus and I've never really been interested in the whole Zero suit business and having to know everything about the woman behind the mask; I think there's something to be said for keeping things mysterious. I'm all for strong female characters and all, I just tend to think the video game industry is pretty bad at portraying them and would rather fill in the blanks myself.
TLDR version: A detailed but bad plot is often worse than a thin plot and with Team Ninja involved I'll always a bit afraid they'll make the game about Samus's cans no matter how many screenshots assure me otherwise.
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Anyway, I liked the Ninja Gaiden revival as much as anyone, but I can't honestly say I'm as excited about the idea of a Team Ninja-Nintendo Metroid partnership as the guys from Penny Arcade apparently are. Basically, I like what they did with Ninja Gaiden in spite of the their fascination with incomprehensible plots, bad voice acting and gigantic breasts. I guess it just bothers me a bit because Metroid's exploration and rather austere tone has always been my favorite things about the series. I'm still not really comfortable with the ideas of a talking Samus and I've never really been interested in the whole Zero suit business and having to know everything about the woman behind the mask; I think there's something to be said for keeping things mysterious. I'm all for strong female characters and all, I just tend to think the video game industry is pretty bad at portraying them and would rather fill in the blanks myself.
This.
I have no doubt that the gameplay is going to be amazing, but I'm horrified at the possibility that Samus' defining characteristics are going to be manhandled (HUR HUR. I didn't notice that when I typed it, but now it's staying). One of the things I disliked about Metroid Prime 3, for instance, is how Samus is suddenly one of the "good guys" as such. She's supposed to have an isolated existence where everything is alien and nothing is friendly. That's what I loved about the other games. It was frightening much of the time, but the complete isolation and lack of human interaction served to help create the atmosphere.
Let's also take into consideration Samus' development. While still a child, Ridley razed her home planet and injured her almost to the point of death. A sole survivor, she was saved by the Chozo. This informs us that her social upbringing would have been mostly influenced by Chozo tradition and language, further cementing her isolation. Samus essentially has a less powerful understanding of human beings than of Chozo, and human beings have even less understanding of her.
The less known about Samus, the better. She's a bounty hunter by trade that works on levels unthinkable by us, both psychologically and morally. Something of the ultimate Lawful Neutral. She doesn't fight the Space Pirates for the greater good, or to save the galaxy. She fights the Space Pirates because the law and her occupation give her plenty of opportunity to impose vengeance on the ones that destroyed her home, and with it, any hope of having true interaction with those around her. Anything else is really superfluous. Other characters can be heartwarming, but Samus' characterisation is something rare for Nintendo and the gaming industry both - someone who was a victim of circumstance with absolutely no hope of reclaiming anything resembling what once was, nor building anything just as good. No matter how many Space Pirates she kills, or how many times she defeats Ridley, Samus has lost from the beginning.
And that is a part of what makes Metroid one of the most frightening game series ever. Plenty of games try to be dark through any number of means, but nothing comes close to despair. Gears Of War, for instance, was adult only by the technicality of violence. The plot and themes were juvenile at best, and although that doesn't stop it from being a fun, enjoyable game, it does prevent it from being truly immersive.
And that's why I fear the next Metroid game. It may very well destroy everything that makes Metroid just as much of an artwork as it is a game series.
In other news:
None of you utter cunts have even mentioned the new Alien vs. Predator game. I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO SO LONG ;_;
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To be fair to Metroid Prime 3, Metroid Fusion started fucking with Samus's backstory a lot, lot earlier and that's what this one seems to be based on.
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Guys, Golden Sun 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-golden-sun/50273).
This news has made me really really excited.
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Here, maybe. JRPG fans were orgasming at the news, that was for them, I guess.
JRPG fans shat themselves over Final Fantasy XI, but it was still an absolute dud.
I certainly wouldn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole (and I am a JRPG fan), but it seems to have made them money hand over fist.
Hm, fair enough. It IS a MMORPG and yes, I'll never play XI. But anyway, Golden Sun 3 yay!
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Keep in mind that I don't really intend for my post to imply that the sky is falling or anything. I'll get the game and I'll enjoy myself; there's no way Nintendo's going to let that baby out of the gate without it being a well-polished experience. I'm just hoping they don't cut out some of the solo exploration in lieu of making it into yet another game where you primarily run around blasting aliens alongside your cardboard cut out of a sidekick, while some helpful but superfluous lady babbles tips at you over a communicator, that's all. We'll come out ahead here, I'm just not so confident that I am joyfully leaping into the arms of a friend (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/6/3/) over the announcement.
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Something about the Sony motion control struck a suspicious chord in me so I ran to my bookshelf, pulled out my Unofficial PS2 Launch Guide (December 2000) and looked at the page about the PS2's tech capabilities. In the bottom right corner of Page 24, under the heading of "NEW PS2 TECHNOLOGY," there are two pictures. In the top one, a man is looking at a television and waving a giant foam wand in front of a camera hooked up to a PS2. The bottom picture is a screencap of what he's doing; that is, it's a picture of a morningstar being wielded by invisible hands.
They've been prepping this technology for at least nine years and it was originally for a different console.
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I've been wondering this, who actually cares about motion controls?
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It was pretty alright for the RE4 remake. Aside from that I'm pretty apathetic on the subject.
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Casual gaming and/or paedophilia practice? (Milo will be abused and re-abused)
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Not if they don't program responses to those kinds of behaviors. Why does everyone think that Milo will be this gateway for weirdos? He's not being made (and probably can't be made) to respond to every possible situation, so stuff like that is going to be the first to get nixed from the game.
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Natal looks pretty frickin' sweet.
Although it'll probably cop some crap about how it's not really an original concept.
Now what I really want is that massive touch-screen combat control in R.U.S.E. =)
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Guys, Golden Sun 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-golden-sun/50273).
This news has made me really really excited.
Now I remembered Golden Sun. Holy shit that was the best game. Why didn't I get number two?
Oh, yes, that's right, they didn't sell it in my shitty backwards sump of a town. I spent ages going to the only gaming store that sold gameboy games asking for it.
If I download a visual boy advance-version (or any other emulator version) of the two games, do you think the character transfer mechanic you have on the cartridges are available? I know that the Pokemon games had a problem with that, but it should be possible to manage it in some way, right?
EDIT: Oh god I just realized that Golden Sun was included in the 1100 GBA games I downloaded. Oh yes.
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The character transfer mechanic used a ridiculously long password system, IIRC.
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I don't get the love for Golden Sun. I think I've mentioned before that I tried playing Golden Sun 2 once and quit about 10 minutes into the game because I had not yet played a fucking second of it due to a lengthy, non-playable in-game intro session where the characters carried on like a bunch of fucking twats.
So anyway, has anything new come out about WH40K:Space Marine at E3? I saw an intro movie about it and a gameplay video from a while ago when I went to watch those movies from E3, but I haven't been able to see if anything new was shown about it at E3 itself other than the intro trailer I already saw :( Either way, I am looking forward to it immensely. Hopefully they will have a network co-op campaign to play through, because it looks like a lot of fun to play with a friend.
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First look at the new Zelda
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/06/fullzelda.jpg)
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Someone I know told me something about how one of the new Zelda games are going to be Wii Motion Plus only.
I think that would be the stupidest move ever.
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then again there have also been rumours that link wont have a sword in this game so...
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I don't get the love for Golden Sun. I think I've mentioned before that I tried playing Golden Sun 2 once and quit about 10 minutes into the game because I had not yet played a fucking second of it due to a lengthy, non-playable in-game intro session where the characters carried on like a bunch of fucking twats.
People seem to like MGS as well
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Uncharted 2 makes me want to buy a PS3. Luckily, one of the guys I am moving in with already has one. He also has a Wii, and I'm taking my 360. Fully stocked house of next gen gaming.
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I don't get the love for Golden Sun. I think I've mentioned before that I tried playing Golden Sun 2 once and quit about 10 minutes into the game because I had not yet played a fucking second of it due to a lengthy, non-playable in-game intro session where the characters carried on like a bunch of fucking twats.
People seem to like MGS as well
I really only like the older games. MGS4, not so much.
That's why I want more post Snake Eater love.
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I really only like the older games. MGS4, not so much.
That's why I want more post Snake Eater love.
There's Peace Walker for that. Four-player co-op, Balloon-initiated wedgies for soldiers, Big Boss and a FLYING METAL GEAR
Yeah there'll be a lot more.
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I don't get the love for Golden Sun. I think I've mentioned before that I tried playing Golden Sun 2 once and quit about 10 minutes into the game because I had not yet played a fucking second of it due to a lengthy, non-playable in-game intro session where the characters carried on like a bunch of fucking twats.
The cut scenes are the bad part. They did the start of GS1 in medias res, and had the heavy cut scenes after that. The love comes from a pretty big and loveable world, and a class system and a battle system that's seriously fun to play. It beats all the Final Fantasy games I've played.
The whole E3 deal has made me realize how sad I am that I don't have any of the current generation of consoles. Zelda is the one I miss the most. I'll have to see if there's a used Wii for sale in the papers.
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Though I think to be fair if you don't dig big cutscenes and long, impossibly convoluted plotlines, with a few awesome exceptions most JRPGS are probably out for you anyway. That game got fun after the cutscene, didn't ever quite finish it though and I never bought the second. I should either track it down or get an emulator for it again... If what i see for GS3 impresses me I might have to pick it up, I've got so few games for handheld pleasure these days.
(hurr hurr handheld pleasure)
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Anyone going to join the movement? (http://kotaku.com/5281374/l4d-sequel-met-with-much-more-than-indifference)
Cause I'm not
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I dunno, they have a few good points but then again if it is a full game with length comparable to the first then why not release it as a second game?
Perhaps on Steam they'll release it at a discount price for those who already have the original L4D? I dunno.
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Also, apart from complaints about content that wasn't delivered for the original L4D and concerns that the community will split making it harder to find games the complaints seem to consist of "wah wah wah, this new game looks really different to the old one." Like, maybe that is one of the reasons for it being a separate game instead of DLC?
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The question is:
Will the game contribute enough new content to justify another complete price-tag? If it's basically the same thing with new maps, then 1 year is far too short a time. To add insult to injury, L4D didn't have a massive amount of content, anyway. Lots of maps, and a great Director system, but there wasn't exactly a wealth of enemies or weapons.
This really just seems like a money-grab from Valve.
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My main problem with your last sentence is that it is extremely out of character for Valve. I feel it's more likely to be an honest miscalculation of what people want/expect out of the L4D franchise.
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It is certainly very out of character.
I hope that you are correct and that this is a grave miscalculation on their part, but there exists a possibility that they could yet succumb to the business practises of others.
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Yeah, that would be really unfortunate.
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Oh heck and damn yes.
Finally, a new game from Team Ico. I unfortunately never got to play Ico, but Shadow Of The Colossus was one of my favorite games of all time.
The game is called The Last Guardian, and the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4E0e-ZCn14&feature=fvst) is just what you'd expect from Team Ico. BEAUTIFUL.
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I hope that you are correct and that this is a grave miscalculation on their part, but there exists a possibility that they could yet succumb to the business practises of others.
That's looking more and more likely, and the ironic thing is that these negative reactions from the community will be more of a factor than anything else. Despite what anyone might say the main reason why this has been such a fiasco is that TF2 has had a lot of (free) support post-release. Thus even if they didn't intend it they raised their flag as being a company that services their customers gratis. Really Valve has done a lot of other cool stuff (Steam sales w/ deep discounts, etc.) but they've conferred a privilege to their customers that has been misinterpreted as a right. How easily they forget that Valve went to the mats with Microsoft to keep their DLC free on the 360.
The free updates were a pretty dumb idea in the first place. What they ought to have done is take a page from Bethsoft. There are little DLC packs that are free, and big ones that are charged for, like say the maps and the first gun upgrade (flaregun, sandvitch etc.) are free and higher tiers of upgrades are charged with a light fee. TF2 is such an impeccably balanced game that you could charge for the more powerful gun alternatives and it wouldn't really break the game to have people who paid and people who didn't on the same server. That scenario basically plays out with the clan'd versus the unclan'd anyway, given the prevalence of achievement farms.
Here is the mission statement of the 10,000 strong Steam group against L4D2 (which I think can only be comprised of L4D owners)
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The few people here who defend the decision to make L4D2 seem to not understand what everyone is upset about. I've tried to summarize the most common issues I've heard people having in hopes that it clears things up:
* Significant content for L4D1 was promised, and never delivered
* Valve put little faith in L4D1 since they almost certainly started working on L4D2 right after release
* The fact that L4D2 is nearly identical to L4D1 will decimate the community for both games
* The announced date is not nearly enough time to polish content or make significant gameplay changes
* The new character designs seem bland and unappealing so far
* L4D2 is too bright to fit in with L4D1's visual aesthetic
* The fiddle-based horde music is extremely disliked, though the differently orchestrated music is otherwise welcome
* L4D2's release will result in a drop in quality and frequency for L4D1 content, even compared to before
* The community has lost faith in Valve's former reputation for commitment to their games post-release
The bolded ones (my emphasis) are legitimate concerns to my eyes. Otherwise it's just griping.
However this is just a sizably larger continuation of the same phenomenon that greeted Fallout 3. People bitched and bitched and bitched about it pre-release but you know what? At least 90% of them bought the game. Gamers are so retarded.
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Don't look at me; I'm pretty consistent with my bitching.
Of course, I don't bitch very often, but still.
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* L4D2 is too bright to fit in with L4D1's visual aesthetic
* The fiddle-based horde music is extremely disliked, though the differently orchestrated music is otherwise welcome
Oh come on
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It makes more sense when you remember that many gamers are essentially Morlocks at this point.
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L4D2's release will result in a drop in quality and frequency for L4D1 content, even compared to before
I don't quite understand this one. Of course the release of content will slow down, it's what happens when a game gets a sequel. I don't expect the first Team Fortress or Grand Theft Auto San Andreas to get new content updates any time soon.
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What you have to take into account with regards to Left 4 Dead is that it came into Valve's hands directly only very late in the development process -- remember how we stopped getting TF2 updates at about the same time Turtle Rock got acquired? It's because their entire workforce scrambled to get the game up to standard before release, and in this regard Valve acted more like a polisher than a developer.
L4D2 is, from start to finish, under Valve's roof (albeit with Turtle Rockians floating around). That's really important! I have nothing against the dudes from TR, but they were responsible for the meat of the game, with Valve supplying the delicious outer coating. A new game, even based on the same engine, could be radically different simply because it's 100% Valve product. I think this is the reason L4D2 isn't a series of expansions or DLC, and I think this is the reason it's a good decision.
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L4D2's release will result in a drop in quality and frequency for L4D1 content, even compared to before
I don't quite understand this one. Of course the release of content will slow down, it's what happens when a game gets a sequel. I don't expect the first Team Fortress or Grand Theft Auto San Andreas to get new content updates any time soon.
I really don't know what you're trying to say here. The protesters understand and agree with everything you just said. That's why they are protesting; they claim that they want a fully supported and fleshed out L4D more than they want a L4D sequel (and all the consequences that entails) at this point. Personally, I believe it's unfair to really categorize Valve as a greedy company; I've been a pretty frugal gamer for the last few years now and Valve has consistently done right by me. That said, I don't think I'd buy a full priced L4D sequel this soon either, although I'd say that has more to do with me being cheap than entitlement issues.
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My thing is that they already mentioned it with
Significant content for L4D1 was promised, and never delivered
I don't understand why they needed to restate and flesh it out if they could have just said it with that one.
I totally agree with Melodic and KVP on this, with the exception of the bolded items, and I look forward to playing Left 4 Dead 2 come this Fall.
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* The fiddle-based horde music is extremely disliked, though the differently orchestrated music is otherwise welcome
This one is hilarious, I mean head-achingly funny
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I don't understand why they needed to restate and flesh it out if they could have just said it with that one.
Valve could feasibly create content they hadn't discussed pubicly much less promised. Personally, I think that's a bit naive, overall, but people tend to expect the moon and the stars from Valve.
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Personally, I'm shocked that I haven't had to pay for any of TF2's new content. It's definitely premium content that they just give out for free. I don't see the profit in it.
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Free weekends and updates boost sales of TF2 so ridiculously high that I'm surprised that's not all Valve is doing.
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Man, I just looked up Newell's DICE keynote.
Jesus Christ.
Valve must be making money hand over fist. The standard sequel technique seems so unnecessary for L4D2.
I suspect that it's not going to be as cut and dry as "Here's some more maps and Director upgrades. Give us $50."
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I only paid $25 for L4D, so I couldn't give two shits about how quick the sequel comes out. I've more than gotten my money's worth and I honestly would've been happy to pay $50 for it if I had a job.
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Yeah, that is a good point. I forget how little I paid for it, but it wasn't very much at all.
One thing I'd love though is for some kind of L4D mod or even game mode where it is more like your classic zombie situation. Slow zombies. Only die with headshots/brain destruction, no specials, very limited ammo, that sort of thing.
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And, of course, one bite and you're done for. That would be very awesome.
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I think someone made one of those Here it is (http://kotaku.com/5138575/l4d-mod-puts-more-survival-into-horror)
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Okay, looks like I am purchasing this for PC this weekend so I can try out that mod. Goddamn you Valve.
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Holy shit that looks fucking awesome. Like, it's not perfect of course. As Jon said, it should be one bite & you're fucked, but maybe that is just a little too hardcore for a game to still be fun. The zombies still move a little too fast for my liking, but everything else about it seems really really good. I'll try it out soon, I think.
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It should be noted that the site linked to is having MAJOR downtime issues the last couple days, but they've got some pretty rocking looking stuff. A Crossroads Mall map and, of course Bioh4zard 2.
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Vavle isn't done with the first game (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174675)
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I like how people are saying "oh hey, i paid $60 for the last one, now i got to pay another 60 for this one?"
No, you don't. You can keep playing L4D as much as you want. No-one is forcing you to buy anything.
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No, you don't. You can keep playing L4D as much as you want. No-one is forcing you to buy anything.
As good as the AI buddies are, I can see the concern that a large chunk of the user base might just shuffle over to L4D2, leaving a sparse community behind to play the original game. Sucks for all the people who like online play but can't afford the new game!
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Someone I know told me something about how one of the new Zelda games are going to be Wii Motion Plus only.
I think that would be the stupidest move ever.
Not exactly. Miyamoto essentially said that they'll be keeping a very close eye on the sales of MotionPlus. Depending on how well it does, the Zelda game may not support it at all, require it, or work either way. Either way, it's not going to be finished until next year at the absolute earliest.
And I understand why people are skeptical about Other M, and to an extent I agree, but I'm still pretty jazzed for it. First of all, there's plenty of footage of Samus outside the suit, and she's definitely more reasonably depicted than anyone in Ninja Gaiden or Dead or Alive. Hell, I'd say she's even probably more tasteful than the Zero Suit model in Brawl. Secondly, it came out in interviews after the press conference that the people on the Nintendo side of this partnership are R&D1, aka the people who developed every Metroid game outside of the Prime trilogy. I know Team Ninja doesn't seem like the most immediate fit for the franchise, and their capability is somewhat in question after Itagaki took about half the studio with him when he left, but R&D1's involvement leads me to believe that this isn't some quick and dirty spinoff by Nintendo. I have no doubt that they'll be watching Team Ninja like hawks to make sure that the game both plays well and doesn't fuck with the source material.
It does seem like Metroid is the franchise that Nintendo is most willing to experiment with. But I don't think there's ever been a big-name franchise that was changed so drastically and effectively as the Prime series, so I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt for now. The one complaint I have is that the art design is a noticeable step down from Retro's work, which isn't necessarily a slight on Team Ninja because Retro set an extremely high bar there. But come on, you can't tell me that watching Samus slam an alien down on the floor by its neck and stick her gun it its mouth didn't look badass.
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I personally don't give two shits about L4D, but in principle it's kind of a jerk move to release an online-only game and then six months later turn around and cut the legs out from under the community with a sequel. A game like L4D generally has a lifespan way longer than a single year.
That it's coming from the same company that's provided so much free content for TF2 is just icing on the very weird cake.
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First of all, there's plenty of footage of Samus outside the suit
This is already a problem.
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Metroid Prime was the spin-off series. This was the plan since the first Prime was in development. Bearing that in mind, that makes this the first game in the 'main' series since Fusion and Zero Mission. I'm not at all worried about the cut scenes and story elements, as these were heavily present in both GBA titles and they were fantastic sequels to the main series too.
My main concern is whether or not the gameplay will retain what made each of the 2D metroid games what they were.
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Fusion was terrible.
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I personally don't give two shits about L4D, but in principle it's kind of a jerk move to release an online-only game and then six months later turn around and cut the legs out from under the community with a sequel. A game like L4D generally has a lifespan way longer than a single year.
Ummmm...L4D is NOT online only.
And Jordan, you're full of shit. Fusion was AWESOME.
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In the same way that Quake 3 wasn't? It's built to be played with people.
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You can play by yourself with the AI just fine. L4D does not require a network connection to have fun playing, like Quake did.
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He's right though, the AI just isn't the same as real teammates.
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The only thing I'm confused about is I missed the explanation of why he can fly 20 feet horizontally seemingly at will. Look goddamn great though, specially considering how boring the first game was.
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Ummmm...L4D is NOT online only.
You ever tried playing on Expert with 3 AI players? That game was made for online.
To avoid double posting, I'm watching the video for Just Cause 2, never played the first one but honestly those are absolutely stunning visuals.
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Fusion was terrible.
You shut your goddamn mouth, communist.
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i am super excited for Just Cause 2. the first one had a lot of potential and was mildly fun for a minute but it really looks like they might have nailed it this time.
also, BASE JUMPING TLDKDAJKDJFJFJJJREIA
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Fusion was terrible.
That game was flawless! I've only ever seen three criticisms of that game, and I don't think any of them hold any water.
*It has a progressive plot. Metroid games aren't supposed to have a progressive plot.
*There's dialogue in the game. Metroid isn't supposed to have dialogue.
*It's linear, I can't roam the entire ship freely until the last part of the game.
While you can argue that those changes lose the open feel and sense of loneliness that other Metroid games have, they were implemented brilliantly and parts of the game retained the exploration and isolation that the other games had. Sure, some areas were sealed until later in the game, restricting your movement, but a lot of the rooms and areas were gigantic and when you went in to explore those areas, you still felt very, very alone.
The SA-X was superbly executed too. That thing was terrifying and helped to create far more atmosphere than anything in the other 2D Metroid games. On the first playthrough, I spent virtually the entire game scared that the SA-X might show up in the next area. I nearly smashed my gameboy when that damn computer told me to go into an area that SA-X was actively exploring.
Instead of focusing on the parts that changed, focus on the good bits.
*Superb detailed, brightly coloured 2D graphics.
*A highly regarded understated score used to fantastic effect throughout the game.
*An engaging, perfectly paced plot.
*Tight, responsive controls.
*The SA-X.
I think the only valid criticism of the game is that it's far too short.
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SA-X
:-o
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okay this (http://kotaku.com/5284616/forzas-mind+blowing-trailer-took-a-month-to-create) is e3's best trailer for quite a few reasons
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that is a really excellent trailer
and i don't even like racing games
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My main complaint about Metroid Fusion isn't that it's linear (all Metroid games [except II] are linear, unless you sequence break; hell, the term "sequence break" implies that the game is supposed to be linear) but that Adam's holding your hand for so much of the game. It's not until the very end that you have to find your way around the ship on your own, and even then the challenge of it is about what I'd expect from the midpoint of an earlier Metroid.
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I just started watching the Just Cause 2 video but I am not sure if it is a game for me. I mean, what the fuck is up with the reusable, instantly deployable, instantly retractable parachute? The bit with the fucking boat. If a dude did that in basically any other decent fps game he'd get shot to fucking shit in the air.
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Oh man, and the fucking grappling hook shit can fuck right off too.
Also, firing a rocket launcher at shit while parachuting and also grappling around to get up speed so you can stay in the air?
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Actually, scratch all that. I obviously came into the game thinking it was more serious than it is. Now I am looking at it with the part of myself that enjoyed Saints Row 2 and it looks like fun.
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Ten things I hate about Metroid Fusion
1: Being ordered around. It's not about linear vs. nonlinear as the random dude above me said. It's about being told what to do vs. the thrill of exploration. It's about walking down a corridor and not knowing what's ahead and if you're even supposed tobe there or not. It's about stumbling down secret tunnels to find random power ups. It's what Prime 1 and Zero Mission understood and Fusion didn't.
2: No sequence breaking. The entire plot of the game forbids it. All items are acquired through plot events rather than exploration. This is something Zero Mission did extraordinarily and beautifully well and Fusion just says "fuck off" about.
3: Adam. Retconning some sort of handler into Samus's story? Really? Bullshit. Suddenly the whole bounty hunter raised by aliens mystique is just turned into "Samus is a really good soldier for the galactic government". What the balls ever.
4: The final boss fights. SA-X was a really good constant threat until you actually had to fight it. Then it turns out it's a push-over. Then it turns into a giant monster. That's even easier. Then we get to have it, for no discernible reason, sacrifice itself to save Samus just so we can have a "homage" to the end of Super Metroid.
5: The part of the game leading up to the boss fights. So...there's supposed to be like...13 SA-X roaming the ship and a shitload of Metroids? Where the balls are they? That would've been frickin' awesome to actually have to fight all the crap but nope. Now you're given freedom (finally) to explore and they're nowhere.
6: The Fusion suit. Thing is ugly, I'm sorry.
7: Okay I can't think of anymore but 6 is enough.
I mean, yeah, sure, as compared to other platformer games it's still pretty good but as compared to any other Metroid game it's balls.
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This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkCPNECud8) is probably what I am most looking forward to.
Yay! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-t9rJU5-M&feature=fvste3)
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Oh FUCK yes Forza 3. I hate racing games and I thought Forza 2 was perhaps the best online experience of all time.
Guys, it had a paint mode so fucking deep that the ECONOMY OF THE GODDAMN GAME revolved around cars painted like Skeletor.
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My mate spent ages writing swears on the side of his cars so he could race with them online.
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I... I am actually tempted to get Forza 3. This is an odd feeling.
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I didn't really like Metroid Fusion either. It's an OK game but it didn't do what I bought it to do.
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Metroid Fusion is the third or fourth best Metroid (I'm trying to decide if it's better than Prime 3) game and all of you saying it wasn't excellent are douche bags.
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I loved it Metroid Fusion and don't get why people don't like to talk about it. Hell, most of the games have been set before fusion.
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I don't really care about the setting or the timeline. I just realized some dude was going to be yammering at me, cutting into my precious exploration time so I went and did something else.
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while we're on the subject of Metriod what did people think of Hunters for the DS, cos that's really my only experience of a metriod game and I didn't think much of it - was this just a bad game or if I disliked it will I be likely to dislike the rest of the series.
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Of all the Metroid games, that is the one that's least representative of the series as a whole, really, due to the stylus based controls and an emphasis on pure action and a lot less exploration. The Metroid Prime games are all pretty well regarded but they're quite a bit different from the original games. At the very least, you should grab a pad and an emulator and check out Super Metroid, which was an outright classic by pretty much any standard and still holds up pretty damn well. I still have no idea how in the hell Super Metroid struggled in Japan; the concept is mindboggling to me even if it was one of the SNES's last gasps.
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Yeah, I suggest playing Super Metroid at the very least, and the original Metroid Prime as well if you have something capable of playing it. They're very different, but both fantastic.
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This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkCPNECud8) is probably what I am most looking forward to.
Yay! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-t9rJU5-M&feature=fvste3)
From the E3 articles I read, I shall ctrl-c-v what I mentioned in another forum:
YOU GET TO PLOT SCHEMES WITH YOUR BESTEST FRIEND LEONARDO DA VINCI AND SHOOT PEOPLE WITH A CONCEALED PISTOL.
Jumping the shark in the most AWESOME way ever.
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Metroid games from best to worst:
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
Zero Mission
Prime 2
Prime 3
Metroid 2
Metroid
Fusion
Hunters
That's all the opinion you really need!
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I haven't played Hunters, but Zero Mission is definitely the worst I've played. The entire latter portion without the suit is the most ill conceived bullshit to hit the series. Also, Prime 3 is so much better than Prime 2. I'd call Prime 2 the bastard stepchild of the Primes. It's pretty fun, but the light and dark mechanic hurts more than helps.
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I haven't played Hunters, but the ranking is clearly:
Super Metroid
Prime
Prime 3
Fusion
Metroid 2
Zero Mission
Prime 2
Metroid
In short Jordan, you suck.
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Fusion better than Zero Mission? Really?
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The entire latter portion without the suit is the most ill conceived bullshit to hit the series.
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yeah, I guess that's true. It also didn't have the mother fucking SA-X.
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See! Now you're getting it!
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I haven't played Hunters, but the ranking is clearly:
Super Metroid
Prime
Prime 2
Prime 3
Fusion
Metroid 2
Zero Mission
Metroid
Fixed that shit for you.
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Actually, scratch all that. I obviously came into the game thinking it was more serious than it is. Now I am looking at it with the part of myself that enjoyed Saints Row 2 and it looks like fun.
this. Just Cause 2 looks like so much fun, I don't care how unrealistic it is, I want to be the guy who rides a motorboat flying into a military base only to parachute out of it and then chain all the enemies together with grappling hooks, and attach them to a jeep. then drive it off a cliff.
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this. Just Cause 2 looks like so much fun, I don't care how unrealistic it is, I want to be the guy who rides a motorboat flying into a military base only to parachute out of it and then chain all the enemies together with grappling hooks, and attach them to a jeep. then drive it off a cliff.
My thoughts exactly. This game desecrates Newton's corpse, but the sheer stunt movie sensation most probably makes up for it.