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And expresses a desire to make a movie without explosions. Wait, what?
http://movies.ign.com/articles/996/996050p1.html
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Not the worst news I've heard today.
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You're two movies too late, Mikey!
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As dumb as this sounds, I kind of want to know what kind of movie he'd make with a budget of less than 15 million.
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As dumb as this sounds, I kind of want to know what kind of movie he'd make with a budget of less than 15 million.
A five minute clip of explosions kinda like this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiHsxQJ9ZOo)
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At least he has a sense of humor about it! I guess... ... eeewww, "Bad Boys."
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"It's easy to go shoot an art movie in a winery in the South of France. But people have no idea how hard it is to create something like Transformers. They [the critics] review me before they've even seen the movie.
God what a jackass. I mean we didn't really need any more proof but man is that guy a jack ass.
Also, what the hell is up with that total non-sequitur? When did level of technical difficult become proportional to quality? A movie is better b/c it was more technically demanding to put together? What world does Bay even live in? Could it be, just maybe, that critics look at his track record and make conclusions about his upcoming films based upon that? Hmm.....
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It can be incredibly frustrating when your lifes work is completely dismissed when you have invested a considerable amount of time, effort and money into it. I think he was responding to the dismissal of 'dumb action movies' as a whole, which is something I can understand. A lot of 'art' movies actually flat out suck and are just as derivative as any dumb action movie, yet critics might praise them anyway. At the same time, action movies can be great and while Michael Bay's movies aren't exactly 'art', the attention to detail in the set pieces and the action sequences themselves are done incredibly well, and that is something that deserves recognition whether you appreciate action films as a genre or not.
It's two completely different worlds, and they're not really comparable, but nobody can say that one type of film is superior to the other. As far as action movies go, I think Michael Bay does pretty well. There are certainly dozens of worse movies that get released every year, and there's usually at least one genuinely great sequence in all of his films.
I think he's right when he says that people don't appreciate exactly how hard something like Transformers is to work on. It's also clear as day to see that working on the last two Transformers movies has been incredibly stressful for the guy.
On paper, the Transformers movies sound like a terrible terrible idea. I think they were actually better than they had any right to be, and I believe that Michael Bay did as good a job as anybody could have.
And, y'know? I think he does deserve some recognition for it, whether you like his movies or not.
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At the same time, action movies can be great and while Michael Bay's movies aren't exactly 'art', the attention to detail in the set pieces and the action sequences themselves are done incredibly well, and that is something that deserves recognition whether you appreciate action films as a genre or not.
I respectfully disagree about this. I went into Transformers knowing it wasn't going to be high art and still was disappointed, particularly by the action pieces. The way those set pieces were cut was too frantic and jumpy. It went beyond livening up the scene to the point that the action was at times unintelligible. I was expecting the story to be lightweight---which it was---but even on a technical level I felt that movie failed.
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Bay's no MvTiernan that's for sure.
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Don't get me wrong, I love a good action movie. I really do. It's just that Bay's are, while I think fairly impressive technically, basically little more than that: technical wankery. They're not blissfully mindless fun like a good action movie is supposed to be but there's also no substance really to speak of. He's simply a weak filmmaker because he can't engage with artistry and he can't engage with senseless enjoyment. Plus, I stand by what I said about his comment about art films being ass hole-ish. No, sorry Mike, but not just anyone can go make a movie at a French vineyard. Or, I should say, not anyone can do that and have it be good which is surely what he was suggesting. He was saying that his style of film making is more demanding (in a very particular sense of the word, the technical sense, although in many other ways one could say it's less demanding: as a director he seems to have very little concern for the performances of his actors. In others words, he cares about directing set pieces not people and the latter is arguably more challenging to do right) and therefore, somehow, worthy of greater respect. I call bullshit to that. Sure art films can be pretentious and boring and poorly done. No one has ever disputed that. But Bay has essentially belittled the entire art film industry with his comments and that makes him, in my opinion, ignorant, foolish and arrogant. It's ironic too considering that, again, while his films may have had a higher than average time to set up shots or whatever, they simply are not that good on any level. He's really not one to pass judgment.
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On paper, the Transformers movies sound like a terrible terrible idea.
Of ideas that can be put on paper, "Giant alien robots beat the shit out of each other in highly-detailed, glorious CGI" ranks among the best. The fact that Bay's Transformers failed that basic premise is enough to hold against the guy.
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More proof that Bay should’ve stopped earlier: Devastator has wrecking-ball testicles (http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=135198).
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And I thought the pee gag was the worst they could get.
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Bay says he’s not leaving the franchise (http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/bceaf8bc5444cbaba3c7082bcc2482e5-524.html). It was press "spin," all he wanted was a little vacation.
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Of ideas that can be put on paper, "Giant alien robots beat the shit out of each other in highly-detailed, glorious CGI" ranks among the best. The fact that Bay's Transformers failed that basic premise is enough to hold against the guy.
Not only that, "giant alien robots that beat the shit out of each other and that already have a massively successful history and a huge cult following in the 20-40 year old age bracket that would have the money to take their kids to see this new iteration of the franchise and also to buy their kids the toys"
(And the new toys are fucking horrible, by the way.)
I appreciate a good action film. I can enjoy an action film that pushes believability to the limit. I love Big Trouble in Little China and stuff like Commando, Iron Man, The Bourne Identity, the Indiana Jones trilogy (the fourth movie doesn't exist) and even the first few Die Hard movies. The problem I have with Transformers is that it was basically phoned in. The story is lame. The acting is all lame. The characters are cliched. The plot development is lame. The product placements were unsavoury. The action sequences, which should have been the standout points of the movie, were all as other people have already said, erratic to the point of being almost incomprehensible. Is it too much to ask to have the sequence where Prime & Megatron are fighting (y'know like, the fucking pinnacle of action in the movie) to be something other than a close-up rumble of mechanical parts? The absolute best bit of the first movie was the opening bit in the desert, because I kind of cared about the army characters that were under attack, and you got to see the thing attacking them in a way that was understandable. However, from there it was pretty much all downhill.
The first film was not a good action film, and all the reviews I have read for the second film basically say the same thing: "this is just like the first film, but longer and not as good" so no, I don't believe that it is fair to say that Michael Bay does what he does well at all. Maybe he is able to execute his vision in a precise manner or some shit like that, but when that vision is turgid should the ability to deliver it so well be praised?
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Oh man did Roger Ebert savage the new one.
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Oh, did he ever.
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Holy shit ahahaha
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I find his review to be inaccurate; the one with the aluminum beard is Jetfire.
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The bits about the movie sucking are pretty much spot on though.
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Oh wow. This movie's currently got the lowest Tomatometer score of anything Bay's directed. And since his resume includes Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys II, that's saying a lot.
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Before getting into the booms and boobage of director Michael Bay's latest sensory assault, let's note that the man has no use for 3-D.
He considers it "a gimmick," and with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen he makes a solid argument that eyes can be popped, eardrums shattered and hormones set ablaze without goofy glasses.
This second chapter of the shape-shifting Transformers saga, arriving in theatres at midnight tonight, once again turns boys' toys into movie behemoths. It delivers full-bore "Bayhem" like a brick to the forehead, with some tender love on the side, making this either the summer's biggest blockbuster or history's loudest romance.
The lack of a third dimension might actually be a public service, since watching this movie is akin to lying on the tarmac at Pearson International while a revving Airbus A380 rolls over you.
I laughed pretty hard at this over my toast and juice this morning. I never intended on seeing it, but even the Star, which usually gives terrible movies decent reviews, said it was terrible. Personally I'd rather watch a movie than be attacked by it.
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I can absolutely see Michael Bay trying to pick up women in some club by offering to give them a little 'Bayhem' in their lives.
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Oh man did Roger Ebert savage the new one.
And that review is why I love Roger Ebert.
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The thing I hated the most about the movie was that the first trailer to come on was for New Moon. About 2/3 of the audience groaned or cried out in anger.
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Uhm YAY?
Bay says he’s not leaving the franchise (http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/bceaf8bc5444cbaba3c7082bcc2482e5-524.html). It was press "spin," all he wanted was a little vacation.
Aw Damn it.
:x
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The best part of the movie for me was seeing the trailer for The Last Airbender.
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You must expect some kind of disappointment, considering who's directing The Last Airbender!
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It's a little depressing for me to realize that Michael Bay has directed all of those movies. Being seventeen years old, I've only been socially conscious/self aware for maybe three years, and all this time, Michael Bay has existed. He's been behind every movie I've ever considered to be a big EXPLOZE ORGY, and only recently have I realized that.
It's kind of hard to put into words how disappointing it is to realize that an entire (exaggerating) section of pop culture is one man. At least when I thought he was several people I could be open-minded and brush it all off as being a "preference".
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I saw it. It met my expectations, so at least I wasn't disappointed.
I expected it to be terrible.
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How were Devestator's wrecking-ball testicles?
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Hilarious, according to the rest of the audience.
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http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1
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Hey cool now I don't have to see the gigantic pile of shit.
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I went to a four o'clock showing of this movie. After two hours I checked my watch and it said four-thirty.
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I went to a four o'clock showing of this movie. After two hours I checked my watch and it said four-thirty.
Temporal anomalies are like that. Time drags when you're not having fun.
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All joking aside, I had a similar experience with Jurassic Park 2. Around 7 hours into the movie a number of events transpired that led me to believe that the film was over, except then it turned out the fucking dinosaur had escaped the fucking island. I actually consider this to be one of the most disappointing moments in my life. Ridiculous, I know, but you must understand that I had really, truly thought the film must be over. I had moved beyond hope and into relief only to realize that Jeff Goldblum was going to keep bitching his way through a 4th act. Objectively speaking I've had far worse things happen to me, but none of those truly pulled the rug right out from under me quite like that did.
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http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1
Man, that is spot on. I wouldn't believe half of that it if I hadn't seen the movie myself.
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At least he's not quite as bad as Uwe Boll. And think, without movies like Bad Boys II, we wouldn't have Hot Fuzz. I'm not saying the guy is any good, but I find it funny that a lot of people claim they go to these movies, that they know are gonna suck, and say they're gonna turn their brains off to watch, and yet come back here and still complain about it anyway. You guys are doing this all wrong. I'm going to go see this movie very soon, and I will possibly even enjoy it. What's my secret? I will not be sober.
Of course it could be argued that I would have equally as fun a time staring at literally anything else for the next couple of hours, but I haven't gone to see a movie in a while and I'm a film major, and thus often feel like I have a quota to get through or else I feel like I'm doing a bad job.
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Well, part of the issue is that the film managed to sink beneath some already pretty damn low expectations. I agree that a lot of people likely did go expressly so they could bitch about it but I would classify Transformers 2 as a movie that comes perilously close to being a bit of a buzz kill. It's not even the plot holes that bother me, it's all the jet take offs.
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I will agree on the jet takeoffs. It seemed like there was a jet takeoff montage every 10 minutes, and they never seemed to do anything except make the movie longer.
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To put it bluntly, it failed the piss test. There were entirely too many moments where I thought "Damn, I totally should have gone ahead and got up to go take a piss. I wouldn't have missed anything. The large soda was a poor choice." At the Dark Knight I just shut up and held it.
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reminds me of the time that I drank a large soda at the very beginning of Return of the King. I came close to running out of the theater before the end, though I managed to hold it all the way until the credits.
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Michael Bay - entertaining douchebag (http://www.movieline.com/2009/07/bay-e-mail.php).
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In actual Michael Bay douchebaggery, the man who made who made two movies about gigantic robots who sometimes piss on people and/or have gigantic swinging testicles has labeled Megan Fox as "immature" (http://www.3news.co.nz/News/Megan-Fox-gets-spanking-from-Michael-Bay/tabid/209/articleID/111147/cat/41/Default.aspx) after she said he was more focused on special effects than acting.
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Even eating a hash cookie could not make this film enjoyable. :-(
Which is a shame, as I quite liked the first one.
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Michael Bay douchebaggery
To me the real irony here is that the quote he's referring to is probably the first thing in a while that Megan Fox has said in an interview that I found interesting.
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Only 23, which means she's probably had a few theatrical gigs and modeling jobs. And probably she studied theater in college, I'd guess. And you'd think she probably did stuff like that in high school, maybe even back to middle school.
All of which is to say that it's irrelevant, she's correct, and Bay's a dick.
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It sounds to me as if he tossed his toys.
Grow up ya dick.
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To be fair to Bay, he's spent a lot more time professionally and personally with Megan Fox than any of us ever will.
Count your blessings.
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To be fair to Bay, he's spent a lot more time professionally and personally with Megan Fox than any of us ever will.
Count your blessings.
Speaking of which: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/fox-cleaned-bays-car-in-audition_1108913
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What.
I used to grant Bay a fair amount of leeway based pretty much on what Darryl said earlier in the thread but that is just dogshit. Fuck that guy.
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It's odd. I have expected both of the Transformers movies to suck, and both times I've been pretty entertained. Not by shit blowing up so much as by the simple characters! I realised just recently that, when I feel in the mood for movies about things that go boom, I'm not really looking for explosions (because I've become desensitized to them after all these years of explosions). Rather I'm looking for simple and fun characterisation and a simple and fun plot.
Both the Transformers movies delivered that to me, and so I was perfectly happy to have paid the ticket-price. I just wish they'd had fewer and less messy fight-scenes with the robots in the second movie. I liked the humans, and I think the main actors did an acceptable job with what they had. Cute couples :o
Tbh, I do think it was lame of Megan Fox to shit on her own movie, esp. because it shows a lack of respect for and loyalty towards hard-working people that she'd spent a lot of time with. That was rather immature.
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Am I the only one who thinks Megan Fox has a really mind numbing expression on her face all of the time that makes you feel dumber by the second?
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I feel that too. She also looks like she bathes in oil.
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Am I the only one who thinks Megan Fox has a really mind numbing expression on her face all of the time that makes you feel dumber by the second?
Let's be fair. Odds are good that that's not her fault. Imagine what you would look like after months of trying not to let Bay know that you think he's a shit-hack.
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Or not. It's more spending months thinking about how famous she will be, which is probably more the case with Megan Fox. I think she may have just read some reviews and figured out that most people don't like Bay, so maybe it would be clever to jump on that bandwagon.
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ITT we ascribe intentions to someone none of us will never know based on our personal opinions of the way she presents herself to the outside world though mass media.
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For a moment there I thought you were talking about Michael Bay.
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I sound entirely judgmental. I'm over it. I'm just bitter that no one even cares anymore about seeing actors with talent, or roles with depth. I wish more actors would actually work hard at characters.
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People do care. Transformers is a vapid summer blockbuster but otherwise we've had a rather a nice run of movies in the last few years. It's perhaps a bit disconcerting that things like Kung Fu Panda can push more tickets than Wall-E or Up! but it's not really something worth getting upset about.
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Newsflash: People have always liked shitty shit, rose-coloured glasses etc.
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no one even cares anymore about seeing actors with talent, or roles with depth. I wish more actors would actually work hard at characters.
This is utterly and completely untrue.
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Really the most egregious thing about the article linked on this page is the fact that it refers to Michael Bay as an "auteur."
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Really the most egregious thing about the article linked on this page is the fact that it refers to Michael Bay as an "auteur."
So very nearly 'amatuer'. They just couldn't spell it right.
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neither could you
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If it weren't for Michael Bay, I could have never laughed my ass off along to this piece of pure hilarity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRS90V8BQGo
Has Shia LaBarf ever played a character he didn't render completely insufferable by either horrible acting or being very dedicated when it comes to play douchy roles (can't really tell)? After having seen Transformers, Indy 4 and Eagle Eye I avoid movies he has a major part in.
And Megan Fox is really meeh if not buuh.
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:lol:
End of that Vid was the best part!
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I thought it was the worst part. They had a perfectly good gag that for once only got funnier with increasingly absurd escalation, and then at the end they threw in a completely gratuitous and pointless blow-job joke coupled to a really bad pun.
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Huh? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7948063.stm)
On a separate note, a magazine cover I was once saw suggested Megan Fox was the next Angelina Jolie . I almost burst out laughing
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Well Angelina Jolie used to seem kinda icky too. Gotta keep that in mind.
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I don't think Angelina Jolie was ever blatantly stupid in public, though.
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I don't think Angelina Jolie was ever blatantly stupid in public, though.
Billy Bob Thornton anyone?
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Transformers 3 to feature record-breaking 2 hour explosion:
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2009/07/transformers-3-explosions.html
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I don't think Angelina Jolie was ever blatantly stupid in public, though.
Hey remember that time she open-mouth kissed her biological brother on some red carpet?
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Point taken.
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Huh? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7948063.stm)
On a separate note, a magazine cover I was once saw suggested Megan Fox was the next Angelina Jolie . I almost burst out laughing
Yeah, me too. Remind me when Megan Fox received an Academy Award as well as three Golden Globes, as well as countless nominations for awards (hottest woman aside). Oh, and when she actually acted in a movie.
->KVP
Jolie also carried a vial of Billy-Bob's blood around her neck.
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Which was my point as well - among other things
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Thornton should have gotten more screen-time in Eagle Eye, he was still quite badass.
I had doubts about Transformers 2 from the get-go. The trailer quite LITERALLY had 1 line of dialogue and it was from Optimus Prime. Everything else was fighting and a splosions.
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(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/812/1930movv2.jpg)
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Dunno what you've posted Zombiedude 'cause I can't see it.
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Fixed
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OK
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Was that supposed to be...
was that supposed to be anything at all
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Garduno thinks he's funny when he's being 'topical'.