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Title: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 02 Oct 2009, 18:49
Seriously, how do we not have a thread for this game yet?

(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5911/1104638-borderlands_super.jpg)

So, Borderlands is a RPG/FPS hybrid being made by Gearbox and published by 2K for the 360, PS3, and PC. It comes out on October 20th, and it looks pretty fucking badass. It's set in a Mad Max-esque postapocalyptic universe, and the plot involved bands of mercenaries searching out a vault full of alien technology hidden somewhere on the universe. The campaign features drop-in/drop-out co-op for up to 4 players. The big hook of the game, however, is the RPG elements: based on Diablo, the game has both skill trees for all four of the game's classes, and most importantly a procedurally generated loot system, that as of the last preview that I read produces over 17 million unique guns. It also has a really distinctive cel-shaded art style that really sets it apart from the typical brown-and-grey shooter palate, in my opinion.

Here's a developer interview! (http://www.giantbomb.com/randy-pitchford-on-borderlands/17-1098/)
Here's a trailer! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdBFWti6mkg)
Here's another one! (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/character-trailer-borderlands/55839)
Here are a couple of gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x75aR7JdXSs) movies! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfqS6somk3Y)
Here's a handy WoW-style skill calculator, which also shows all the skill trees! (http://87bazillion.com/skillcalculator/)


Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 02 Oct 2009, 19:23
Yeah I can't wait for this.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: scarred on 02 Oct 2009, 19:39
So it's what Fallout 3 should've been?

Oh hell. I'm so there.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: satsugaikaze on 02 Oct 2009, 22:51
Yeah, first heard about this in E3. Gearbox and 2K are both pretty solid. I heard something about it being GTA-slash-Mad-Max, that's pretty much what sold me on it. Skill system looks pretty average, but it seems to be interesting enough for me to give it a long, hard go.

Also, no Adventures of Dystopia Brown or Dirt Spectrum? Madness! I love cel-shaded graphics though.

(My favourite visuals from a game are still from XIII, mainly because it was such a cheese-fest.)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 03 Oct 2009, 02:18
Yeah, this has been on my "buy asap" list for a while now, it looks really fun.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Spluff on 03 Oct 2009, 02:28
What's the deal with the vehicles? I just don't get it, same thing with Rage, they look somewhat out of place, though I'll reserve judgement until I've played the game(s).
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 03 Oct 2009, 15:50
Looks really awesome, but I have too many games on my WANT-list to really get into this. A game like this (is it an MMOFPSRPG?) would most likely eat up all of my free time.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 03 Oct 2009, 15:58
It's not an MMO. Your character is persistent, but the action is either single-player or instanced to your co-op party.

And I admit it, I made this thread at least partially to get two more of you to buy the game so Steve and I have people to play with.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 03 Oct 2009, 16:06
It's not an MMO. Your character is persistent, but the action is either single-player or instanced to your co-op party.

And I admit it, I made this thread at least partially to get two more of you to buy the game so Steve and I have people to play with.

It isn't? From the trailer, I was under the impression that the world was pretty crowded with players. I'll have to watch it one more time...
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 03 Oct 2009, 16:37
I got another look at the two trailers, and I remembered that it works with a class system. "Brick - as himself!" Haha. If it gathers up a crowd, I think I might buy it.

The setting looks somewhat like Fallout 3 and Mass Effect combined. I like the look of that skill tree, too; nothing too complicated. I don't usually care much for class-based games, though. It always feels a bit restrictive to me. I think it was Red Faction Guerillia that had a class-based multiplayer where the type of equipment you picked up determined your class. This appealed more to me than the conventional system.

Is it just me, or do many of these class-based multiplayer games try to be a bit too much like Team Fortress 2? I mean, there's obviously HAVE online, which blatantly copies everything they do, but also Battlefield Heroes, and it seems like they're all trying to create their own atmosphere of 'fun and games'. The classes have, aside from playstyle, radically diverse and exaggarated personalities, and they feel just a bit zany. That's just the impression I'm getting.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 03 Oct 2009, 22:55
me sam steve bryan SOUNDS LIKE A TEAM, LET'S GO
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 03 Oct 2009, 23:25
I'll buy it

for the PC.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: FIXDIX on 04 Oct 2009, 04:57
I'll be up to playing with peeps on PS3.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 04 Oct 2009, 04:59
I'll buy it

for the PC.

Seconded
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: snalin on 04 Oct 2009, 06:14
Does anyone know if it's possible to play across consoles?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 04 Oct 2009, 11:42
I would've heard about it if that was the case.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 04 Oct 2009, 12:28
preordered this for 360 months ago. can't wait.

gamertag's Captain Dino, for those of you i'm not already friends with. let's play!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 04 Oct 2009, 12:40
<--- Gamertag

Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 04 Oct 2009, 14:09
me sam steve bryan SOUNDS LIKE A TEAM, LET'S GO

Yesssssss.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 04 Oct 2009, 17:10
I still haven't finished Arkham Asylum, and I'm getting Brutal Legend right when it comes out, this looks cool, but I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get it right away unfortunately, especially with school being so life-drainingly impossible this semester. I have had nearly zero time for video games so far and it irks me.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 04 Oct 2009, 17:32
I wish these cunts* would get their shit sorted and get cross-console/pc mutliplayer happening already.  It's all the same game, surely the information being passed back and forth can be abstracted/translated to a sufficient degree that this is possible.

It's 2010 in three months.  If we're not gonna get jetpacks at least give us this.


* everyone involved with gaming in general, not just Gearbox
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 04 Oct 2009, 17:37
There are two major problems in cross-platform gaming: net code and playability.

Number one is fairly obtuse. Sure, they all connect to the internet and have the same gameplay, but designing the network code of one version of the game to be compatible with another version is a ridiculously complicated task. Since both the 360 and PS3 rely on peer-to-peer connection, this makes it even more difficult to sync them to a PC, which relies on dedicated servers (most of the time). It would be like trying to hook up your toaster to your wireless router so you could make Eggos on the fly.

Number two is pretty obvious, though. PC gamers get much better sensitivity control than console gamers, and handicapping them to prevent exploiting that ability (I'm looking at you, Shadowrun) is a dick move.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: RallyMonkey on 04 Oct 2009, 20:12
I was a lot more excited for this game when I thought the trailer said "The RPG and FPS made by a baby".
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: lprkn on 04 Oct 2009, 21:24
Your post-apocalyptic future has entirely too few pairs of assless chaps.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 04 Oct 2009, 23:44
Since both the 360 and PS3 rely on peer-to-peer connection, this makes it even more difficult to sync them to a PC, which relies on dedicated servers (most of the time).

I know that, but Battle.net for example is just a match-making service to set up peer to peer games with character info stored server-side when important things happen, and in this case at least it's got a direct example with Diablo, as this is billed to be an FPS RPG in the Diablo mold.  If Gearbox ran a matchmaking server that shared info with PSN and XBL and as I said earlier, they were able to abstract the info being passed between the players to a sufficient degree then it could be done, and people could play one game on their PC then one game on their/their friend's Xbox with the same character.  In fact, I could see some kind of agreement between Steam and XBL&/PSN in the future if they really tried, because I could only see it benefiting all involved.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 04 Oct 2009, 23:49
Also, re: point #2 I think that if you're gonna play an FPS on a console then that is your choice and other people shouldn't be handicapped for it.  There are some people who are gonna be shit players despite control schemes, and there are people who are naturally good at using a console controller to play with.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 04 Oct 2009, 23:57
What's the deal with the vehicles? I just don't get it, same thing with Rage, they look somewhat out of place, though I'll reserve judgement until I've played the game(s).

Didn't they say the same thing about Half Life 2?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 05 Oct 2009, 10:12
Also, re: point #2 I think that if you're gonna play an FPS on a console then that is your choice and other people shouldn't be handicapped for it.  There are some people who are gonna be shit players despite control schemes, and there are people who are naturally good at using a console controller to play with.

So console gamers should be forced to play at a competitive disadvantage because they can't afford to buy/maintain a gaming PC? Although I will admit that Borderlands is a special case because there's no real head-to-head multiplayer. It could still create balance problems if the PC guy is hogging all the XP, though.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Oct 2009, 12:52
Possibly have an option when creating a server to decide whether it can be a cross-platform server, and then have a search option that lets you only see non-cross-platform servers?

Gaming computers aren't that expensive anymore, either. At least not ones that will acceptably run new games. Not counting stuff that people can be expected to already have (case, mouse, keyboard, hard drive, monitor), you could put together a decent rig for less than $300, one that would last you a few years, and your games wouldn't cost $60 when new, which adds up quickly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 05 Oct 2009, 13:14
P.S.: Dimmukane and SWM, I didn't have you on my friends list yet, so I added you after you posted your tags in this thread. If you got a friend request sometime yesterday and didn't know who it was from, it's probably me.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 06 Oct 2009, 01:36
So console gamers should be forced to play at a competitive disadvantage because they can't afford to buy/maintain a gaming PC? Although I will admit that Borderlands is a special case because there's no real head-to-head multiplayer. It could still create balance problems if the PC guy is hogging all the XP, though.

No-one would be forcing you to play with PC players.  Hopefully if someone got this going then you could set up console-only or pc-only games, and set up games with passwords so that if you want to invite console or pc-playing friends into a game where that shit is less of a problem then the option is available to you.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: The extra letter on 06 Oct 2009, 23:23
Oooh boy, I've been waiting for this to come out.

Looks like yet another game that'll be so much more fun than finishing off my assignments for this semester.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 16 Oct 2009, 12:16
Oh look, Steam offers a four-pack of Borderlands for a discount. 134.97 for me and $134.97 for you guys in the US. Anyone up for a collaborative purchase?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 16 Oct 2009, 12:22
Yeah, but I don't know how I'd transfer money. E-check via paypal!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Oct 2009, 14:30
No-one would be forcing you to play with PC players.  Hopefully if someone got this going then you could set up console-only or pc-only games, and set up games with passwords so that if you want to invite console or pc-playing friends into a game where that shit is less of a problem then the option is available to you.

this is way more goofy and complex than just maybe making sure everyone's on an even playing field for cross platform games, and it doesn't actually solve any problems
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Nodaisho on 16 Oct 2009, 15:36
Except for the problem of how terribly the game will sell for PC if you handicap PC players.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 16 Oct 2009, 15:54
Yeah, fuck that shit.  And Johnny, I really don't see any "problems" with letting console and pc players play without handicapping.  There have got to be some people who are really fucking good at playing with a controller.  I know there's sensitivity problems and so forth, but to me that just means that they need to tweak the controls so that the analog stick can be tuned to be more/less sensitive and you have things like "quick turn" buttons or something.  Either that or just let people plug a fucking kb+mouse into the xbox/ps3 and play it like that.

You don't gimp one set of players just because another set's control system is sub-par.  That is ridiculous.  You fix what is wrong with the sub-par system so everyone can play properly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 16 Oct 2009, 17:17
Est, that would not work.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: scarred on 16 Oct 2009, 19:15
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/phyrexianmeatdog/125355232058.jpg)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Blue Kitty on 16 Oct 2009, 19:21
Zombie DLC already announced.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 16 Oct 2009, 19:59
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/phyrexianmeatdog/125355232058.jpg)

You know, I was going to say something about how someone was gonna accuse me of this, but I left it alone.  I have consoles too, and I get the shits with the control schemes for FPS type games, but I wouldn't want someone else's gaming experience hampered just because the devs/platform couldn't provide me with a decent control mechanism.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LeeC on 16 Oct 2009, 21:19
looks pretty sweet.  Like the road warrior meets evolution.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 17 Oct 2009, 14:19
Yeah, but I don't know how I'd transfer money. E-check via paypal!

Although I don't have a Paypal account - guess I never needed one - I can do international transactions.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 17 Oct 2009, 17:15
Cool, PM me. I might be able to wrangle another purchaser, if we don't already have 4 guys.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 17 Oct 2009, 17:28
I might be in on that.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 17 Oct 2009, 17:38
I do have a friend, and I can send you an e-cheque for $70. It'll probably take a week or two to go through though, if that's a problem.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 18 Oct 2009, 03:08
I've got two people from the Koala Wallop forums who are also interested. So, that's five people. Uh.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 18 Oct 2009, 11:14
You know, I was going to say something about how someone was gonna accuse me of this, but I left it alone.  I have consoles too, and I get the shits with the control schemes for FPS type games, but I wouldn't want someone else's gaming experience hampered just because the devs/platform couldn't provide me with a decent control mechanism.

This is exactly yes.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 19 Oct 2009, 11:49
Alright, who's getting the 360 version of the game? We should all trade GT's, so that we have enough people that we can always form a full or nearly-full group based on who's online.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 19 Oct 2009, 12:04
I'll be getting the 360 version eventually but not for a couple of weeks probably.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 19 Oct 2009, 13:47
360

ackblom12

Man I am eager to get my Diablo/Fallout3/Team Fortress on.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 19 Oct 2009, 15:40
preordered this for 360 months ago. can't wait.

gamertag's Captain Dino, for those of you i'm not already friends with. let's play!

yeah!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: DonInKansas on 19 Oct 2009, 16:52
It would be like trying to hook up your toaster to your wireless router so you could make Eggos on the fly.



There would be a ridiculous amount of awesome involved with this becoming possible.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 19 Oct 2009, 19:16
I AM BUYING THIS TOMORROW AND PLAYING IT ON WEDNESDAY GOD DAMN IT
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 20 Oct 2009, 06:00
I am purchasing this after work. Unfortunately, I do not have internet access at home. In a month, when I move, I will try to hook up with you guys.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 20 Oct 2009, 06:04
Fantastic, Amazon is being a kind kind entity and the game is being delivered tomorrow rather than the original Friday delivery date.

Folks shared this yesterday in Meebo and it sums up my love of this game.

(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/324/94d0c96f13ceb8aff370f17.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/94d0c96f13ceb8aff370f17.jpg/)

Also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUJrKGN3C0&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 20 Oct 2009, 11:46
ROCKET SHOTGUN

I'll get home with my copy between 5 and 6 PM PST tonight, and I'll definitely be looking for a co-op game. Hit me up if you've got yours by then.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ikrik on 20 Oct 2009, 17:26
What console are people playing this on?  If anyones got if for PS3 let me know, I picked it up today.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 20 Oct 2009, 17:27
Double posting, but I just got home and I'm about to start playing. The disc is installing to my hard drive right now, and as soon as I'm done eating I'll be starting. If anybody else has the game yet and wants to play co-op, let me know, or else I'll look for guys on SA.

Whoops, guess I'm not double posting after all. I've got the 360 version, if that wasn't clear.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: FIXDIX on 20 Oct 2009, 17:30
I'll definitely be getting the ps3 version this weekend. If Irik or anyone else is getting the ps3 version and wanna play online lemme know.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 20 Oct 2009, 21:13
Good news for everyone who cares about achievements: I got the viral achievement from playing with some dude from SA earlier, so anybody who plays in a game with me should get it. Really enjoying the game so far, the past four hours pretty much disappeared for me. Gotten some pretty crazy loot so far, including a bunch of stuff that I can't even use yet because the guys I was playing with were way higher level than me, so the level range is all 15-18.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 20 Oct 2009, 23:47
Here is a question: is this game a really good game.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 21 Oct 2009, 00:07
Specifically, is this game a really good PC game?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 21 Oct 2009, 03:59
Well, the Metacritic reviews (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/borderlands?q=borderlands) do think so, but I can give you a personal opinion on the 30th.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 21 Oct 2009, 05:46
I am going to be playing this tonight and also all weekend
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 21 Oct 2009, 06:23
I started playing this last night and I could barely tear myself away. "Just one more quest," I would say, as the time crept steadily on. I was comparing numbers and watching bars fill up and lighting people on fire with bullets. This game is fantastic.

And I was playing alone. Imagine my reaction if I had the internet.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 21 Oct 2009, 06:58
So, which class are you going to me? My taste goes out to Mordecai right now, but I'm still looking through the skill trees.

Holy crap, there's a Medic skill that makes shooting your teammembers heal them!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 21 Oct 2009, 07:07
I went with Mordecai. I usually do pretty well with single-shot weapons. Next character will absolutely be a shotgun-toting, grenade tossing badass, though.

was anyone else impressed with the sheer amount of scope styles? I figured you would have a crosshair and it would zoom and whatnot. Standard fare, you know?  Last night I got no less than four different styles--from standard crosshair to futuristic vertical slit with dot. Nice touch, that.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 21 Oct 2009, 07:53
I have no idea at all what class I wanna play. The onyl one I think I don't want is Siren, her style just doesn't mesh with me. But... I can do a shotty Turret healer or a bad ass sniper or The Heavy. This is a tought goddamn choice.

What is everyone else going with?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 21 Oct 2009, 10:18
I went with Mordecai because...well because he's a badass. And also I prefer sniping when possible and it's not like you're really restricted to any one type of gun anyway.

I really like his voice. I haven't heard any of the other character's voices so I can't speak for them but Mordecai's little chuckles and one-liners when he headshots people are pretty amusing.

Good news for everyone who cares about achievements: I got the viral achievement from playing with some dude from SA earlier, so anybody who plays in a game with me should get it.

I was wondering what that was. I thought it was just for playing with a friend or something but it said "game with fame" and i didn't really know what it was talking about.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 21 Oct 2009, 10:21
Haha, everyone seems to be in favor of the hunter. Maybe I'll go with Siren first and see what this whole Phasewalking thing is about.

I hope you can switch between playable characters easily, so that I can create a truckload of characters and try out as many builds as possible.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 21 Oct 2009, 11:03
Looks rad, and I just bought a new processor for my lappy. Just waiting for it to arrive then going to do some hardcore new PC gaming!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 21 Oct 2009, 11:07
Guys, there is an actual enemy unit called "badass level 35 angry shotgunner midgets".

I am in love.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 21 Oct 2009, 12:05
LTK, you'll need to convince me once you get your copy that it isn't just a shitty port. Otherwise I am over this game like white on MJ.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Reed on 21 Oct 2009, 12:07
So guys, I'm pretty sure I can only afford one 360 game right now. Should I get this or Brutal Legend? Keep in mind I don't have live, but I do have a roommate who will play this to death with me.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 21 Oct 2009, 12:30
I'm... I'm not sure. O a personal Note I would get Brutal Legend because I'm a Schaffer whore. It is also hilarious, but being a huge fan of Metal myself it also added a good amount to the game, though that isn't necesarry.

This however also appears hilarious and the co-op should be a huge boost to it's enjoyability. It's also guaranteed to be a lot longer.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 21 Oct 2009, 14:11
LTK, you'll need to convince me once you get your copy that it isn't just a shitty port. Otherwise I am over this game like white on MJ.

You got it. After Red Faction Guerrilla fucked me sideways I'll be extra critical. Anyway, they seem to have their stuff together as the release dates aren't far apart, and I've yet to play a game by 2K that felt like a port.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ikrik on 21 Oct 2009, 18:03
-> FIXDIX

Dude, totally send me a PM and we can get everything worked out.  I wish I knew people who have PS3's or at least have them hooked up to the internets. 
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 21 Oct 2009, 18:26
LTK, you'll need to convince me once you get your copy that it isn't just a shitty port. Otherwise I am over this game like white on MJ.

You got it. After Red Faction Guerrilla fucked me sideways I'll be extra critical. Anyway, they seem to have their stuff together as the release dates aren't far apart, and I've yet to play a game by 2K that felt like a port.

How did you like ME, by the way? I never really expected the PC version to be any good, but someone was saying it was pretty well-done.

EDIT: Also oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck 10% off if I preorder now of fuuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 21 Oct 2009, 22:05
Fuck it, I bought it. Steam ID is pix3Ls if you feel like playing on the 26th.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 22 Oct 2009, 03:32
LTK, you'll need to convince me once you get your copy that it isn't just a shitty port. Otherwise I am over this game like white on MJ.

You got it. After Red Faction Guerrilla fucked me sideways I'll be extra critical. Anyway, they seem to have their stuff together as the release dates aren't far apart, and I've yet to play a game by 2K that felt like a port.

How did you like ME, by the way? I never really expected the PC version to be any good, but someone was saying it was pretty well-done.

EDIT: Also oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck 10% off if I preorder now of fuuuuuuuuuuck.

I liked it quite well. The role-playing was unquestionably good, combat was better than you would expect, although squad commands and special attacks were still a bit wonky, I just let the AI handle that. All in all it was a satisfying experience. Thank you again for that.

It was 10% off throughout the time it was available for pre-order, mind you. :P Only now you have the chance to pre-load it too.

Hey, wait a minute, I got your Steam id as scopers. What's pix3ls, then?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 22 Oct 2009, 11:59
The account name is pix3Ls, the name it'll be under your friends list is Scope.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 22 Oct 2009, 12:21
http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/

Guys, this is a link to the site. Goign to the characters lets you do skill tree builds and linking it once you're done shows off your skill choices. Share your wanna be builds.

This is a Hunter Build I'm going for. Surviviability and upping party CP being the main goals. Also, Fucking bird hell yeah. Smirk would be replaced by the Relentless skill at some point.

http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/mordecai/#11055000050055055005500
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 22 Oct 2009, 13:18
http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/mordecai/#11550050505000000550055

Fuck teamwork, I just want the biggest gun.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 22 Oct 2009, 14:00
http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/lilith/#21504240552040200550020

weeee
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 22 Oct 2009, 14:11
It pisses me off so bad that I cannot really afford this right now due to preordering Dragon Age and buying Brutal Legend, which I honestly kind of regret.


Also: How's the melee for a first person game? I like the idea of stealthy characters and melee artists but in a lot of FPS games it's just not as visceral or satisfying as grabbing a big gun. Is it as well-supported as in say, Chronicles of Riddick or should I know going in that I'll probably want to shoot stuff?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 22 Oct 2009, 14:56
The melee is very minimal. Mordecai's melee attack is a machete, I believe, but the animation happens so fast that you can barely see it; kind of disappointing actually. I dunno about the other characters.

There are skills and weapons and stuff that increases your melee damage though. for instance, Mordecai has a skill that increases melee damage and gives every melee strike a chance to be a "fatal hit" or something, doing assloads of damage. Then there are the weapons with blades on them; pretty self-explanatory.


But really, this game is about shooting guns. Melee is sort of an emergency only tactic unless you use one of aformentioned skills/weapons that make it actually worthwhile (or are playing as Brick, obviously). Also, melee is good for one-shotting super low level mobs that you don't want to waste bullets on.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 22 Oct 2009, 15:12
It pisses me off so bad that I cannot really afford this right now due to preordering Dragon Age and buying Brutal Legend, which I honestly kind of regret.


Also: How's the melee for a first person game? I like the idea of stealthy characters and melee artists but in a lot of FPS games it's just not as visceral or satisfying as grabbing a big gun. Is it as well-supported as in say, Chronicles of Riddick or should I know going in that I'll probably want to shoot stuff?

Where did you pre-order Dragon Age? What pissed me off pretty good is how you get different combinations of bonuses everywhere you pre-order. EA has no idea which retailers have their stuff together in terms of pre-order extras, and the retailers themselves aren't quite sure of it either. Not only that, but they seem to be consistently screwing European customers everywhere I look for Dragon Age.

The melee is very minimal. Mordecai's melee attack is a machete, I believe, but the animation happens so fast that you can barely see it; kind of disappointing actually. I dunno about the other characters.

There are skills and weapons and stuff that increases your melee damage though. for instance, Mordecai has a skill that increases melee damage and gives every melee strike a chance to be a "fatal hit" or something, doing assloads of damage. Then there are the weapons with blades on them; pretty self-explanatory.


But really, this game is about shooting guns. Melee is sort of an emergency only tactic unless you use one of aformentioned skills/weapons that make it actually worthwhile (or are playing as Brick, obviously). Also, melee is good for one-shotting super low level mobs that you don't want to waste bullets on.

You want melee in a first person game? Play Zeno Clash (http://store.steampowered.com/app/22200/), pussies. Right now.

But from the skill trees I got the impression that melee played a substantial role in the game. Lilith has 4 skills for melee, Brick has 6, but Mordecai has only one and Roland none.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 22 Oct 2009, 15:36
I decided to go with Steam Digital Deluxe version because you're not really getting fuck all for physical extras with any version of the game (I just can't get excited about a cloth map), and because I rather figure that a digital version will make it a pinch harder for some idiot at gamestop to lose or give away my pre-order card.

And yeah, the skill trees is why I bothered asking about how relatively satisfying the melee combat is, since in most games it's usually pretty wooden and just not very interesting. Looks like from the screenshots and game play trailers I looked up that this might be the case for Borderlands. Even if the attacks are fairly effective I'm not really that interested in them if it turns out they're no more fun to use than say, the Heavy's fists in TF2.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 22 Oct 2009, 15:38
http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/lilith/#21504240552040200550020

weeee

Pffft, http://www.borderlandsthegame.com/skilltree/lilith/#21505550500000000550055.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 22 Oct 2009, 15:43
Also: How's the melee for a first person game?

But from the skill trees I got the impression that melee played a substantial role in the game. Lilith has 4 skills for melee, Brick has 6, but Mordecai has only one and Roland none.

Where there ya have it. Like I said, I've only played Mordecai so I can't speak for the others but it sounds like it might be a little better for some of the others, if you want to go that direction.

Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 22 Oct 2009, 16:03
Melee is absolutely necessary for both Brick and Lilith. Brick basically turns intot he Heavy and uses explosives during his downtime while waiting for Berserk to recharge.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 22 Oct 2009, 16:08
But from the skill trees I got the impression that melee played a substantial role in the game. Lilith has 4 skills for melee, Brick has 6, but Mordecai has only one and Roland none.

Roland of course, has unlimited ammo
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 23 Oct 2009, 06:45
Good, because in order to reach the Dark Tower he's going to need it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 23 Oct 2009, 14:17
Had my first encounter with a "power-looter," as they seem to be called, last night. I was playing a game with some guys from the PA forums and one guy would just run ahead of everyone while we were fighting the hordes of enemies and take all the good stuff. Well, not all of it, but quite a lot.

For example, a really nice sniper rifle dropped that did over 300 damage and naturally he snatched it up despite the fact that he was playing soldier and I was playing as a Hunter and definitely needed it more than him (my current rifle was only around 190 or so). Eventually, the group pestered him into dropping it (yay for me!) but the guy was a jerk all the same.

Now I just have to level up one more level and I'll be able to rock that shit (wave goodbye to yer heads, wankers raiders).

I'll probably be on later this evening if anyone wants to play (unless I do the unthinkable and go hang out with my friends *gasp*). Gamertag's still Captain Dino.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 23 Oct 2009, 16:47
Aaaaaah, you're making it really hard for me to have to wait another week to be able to play this.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 23 Oct 2009, 17:46
i BARELY HAVE TIME to play this game but the few moments i've sunk into it have been rewarded by the screams of my fallen enemies
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 23 Oct 2009, 18:41
The game is really awesome. I just spent the past 5 hours or so with some guys on SA and got some really badass stuff for my Siren, including an electric rocket launcher that she can't even use yet because she needs to gain another couple levels.

I really do want to start a Berserker soon though. He's worth it just for the berserk voiceover alone.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 23 Oct 2009, 22:49
Me and Pat were doin great, powering through some stuff with his Soldier and my Hunter... and then we got to a chokepoint with a Psycho Bruiser with a massive rocket launcher. Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 24 Oct 2009, 00:46
My copy unlocks on the 26th -- I'm concerned about how few of my friends I've convinced to buy the PC version, though.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 24 Oct 2009, 06:50
Got this game last night, it keeps getting better and better. I was playing it split screen with my friends and neither of us wanted to stop playing (so we didn't until 5am).

Gamertag's daaanosaur on the 360, I added a couple of you who posted in this thread. I want to play more co-op!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 24 Oct 2009, 07:09
My copy unlocks on the 26th -- I'm concerned about how few of my friends I've convinced to buy the PC version, though.

Don't worry, there's still me and KvP who joined up with two people from KW to buy the game. So I'm pretty sure we'll often have someone to co-op with.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 24 Oct 2009, 09:11
I bought the Steam version, too, I figured saving 15 bucks would be worth the extra week.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Darke on 24 Oct 2009, 10:04
With all the raving I've seen for this game I think I'll just have to buy it. Next week at some point, probably.

Gamertag's MickFM if anyone's up for a game, although you'll all no doubt have ridiculously strong characters before I've even loaded up the game. :(
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 24 Oct 2009, 11:53
just found a huge revolver called "Unending Justice" that, along with being very powerful and having a huge scope, regrows it's own ammo constantly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 24 Oct 2009, 12:33
If I buy it, it will likely be for the PC as well.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Oct 2009, 12:48
I'm definitely getting this eventually. Which probably means after everybody else has stopped playing.

I need a job.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 24 Oct 2009, 13:06
I'll be getting this for PC and 360.

So.

I can play with everyone!

Steam: OzymandiasX
360: Ozymandiax
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 24 Oct 2009, 14:01
I've added you to Steam friends, Ozzy!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 24 Oct 2009, 18:02
Which one of you is Pop Stalinist? Is it KvP or Dimmukane?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 24 Oct 2009, 18:04
Kveep
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 24 Oct 2009, 23:05
I can't decide which platform to get this on.  Can you play it 3rd-person?  This is the only way I'd be able to play it on 360.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 24 Oct 2009, 23:08
No 3rd person! Get it for PC!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 24 Oct 2009, 23:16
Actually, I dunno.  I've watched a few gameplay videos and it looks like maybe I could get it on 360.  Decisions!

See, this is why we need cross-platform multi and/or a cross-platform license.  Buying one game and being able to download it for all your platforms and activate with your cdkey (and only play one at a time, obviously) would be sweet.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 25 Oct 2009, 01:36
Agreed.  I'm going PC since it will provide better graphics and controls for me.  This looks great, I'm looking forward.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 25 Oct 2009, 08:48
It boils down to whether you want Steam achievements or Live achievements.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 25 Oct 2009, 13:03
I couldn't be bothered with either.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 25 Oct 2009, 13:16
I could care less about achievements, but trust me, you don't want to have to deal with Live. All that shit with Live accounts and gamertags and e-mail addresses, it's absolute torture to get through. All of the games that required GFWL to play were ruined for me before I could even begin.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 25 Oct 2009, 13:18
I've been less than impressed with Live's customer service in the past as well.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 25 Oct 2009, 13:30
GFWL is shit.

XBL is fuckin' great.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 25 Oct 2009, 13:43
Huh, I just attached my XBL tag to my GFWL tag.

GFWL is still pretty headache-inducing though.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 25 Oct 2009, 13:53
Yeah, I don't even fuck around with GFWL, to be honest, not while Steam is around.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 25 Oct 2009, 22:52

this post went totally unremarked
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 25 Oct 2009, 22:54
Yo dudes, if you're getting the PC version post your Steam ID (you wankers).

Steam ID: Pix3Ls
Friends Name: [Pfeffer]Sc( + )pe
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Oct 2009, 02:11
Just finished the campaign. Gotta find one more Claptrap, and then it's on to Playthrough 2. I also just broke 20,000 achievement points, so... that's something.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 26 Oct 2009, 06:36
Yo dudes, if you're getting the PC version post your Steam ID (you wankers).

Steam ID: Pix3Ls
Friends Name: [Pfeffer]Sc( + )pe
Steam ID: thepopstalinist
Friends Name: [SoDOFF]PopStalinist (I think that's it)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 26 Oct 2009, 06:48
I found a revolver that does 41x7 damage and I was only level 12. I dumped some skill points into Gun Crazy and proceeded to one-shot every effing enemy who didn't have a shield until I made it out of the dahl highlands. With a lucky critical, I one-shotted an enemy vehicle. With a revolver. I love this game.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 26 Oct 2009, 07:56
Just finished the campaign. Gotta find one more Claptrap, and then it's on to Playthrough 2. I also just broke 20,000 achievement points, so... that's something.

Hey, Brian's finally beating me.

How about that.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 26 Oct 2009, 08:40
It's hard keeping to the same point in the game to play online with people.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Oct 2009, 09:43
Just finished the campaign. Gotta find one more Claptrap, and then it's on to Playthrough 2. I also just broke 20,000 achievement points, so... that's something.

Hey, Brian's finally beating me.

How about that.

And I didn't have to play the Iron Man game to do it, either.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 26 Oct 2009, 11:17
Steam: imperialstout

Ozymandias, broski, your steam friends name is tops.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 26 Oct 2009, 12:36
I'm at uni and I check steam and it says "This game will unlock in approximately 2 hours" I get home two hours later and I get "This game will unlock in approximately 3 days". Nice one Steam!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 26 Oct 2009, 12:56
Steam: dimmu.kane or Dimmukane, not sure which one shows up in the searches.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 26 Oct 2009, 13:21
I'm at uni and I check steam and it says "This game will unlock in approximately 2 hours" I get home two hours later and I get "This game will unlock in approximately 3 days". Nice one Steam!

Is your computer plugged in?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 26 Oct 2009, 13:50
Fuck.  It's not decrypting whatever files it needs to decrypt.  When I launch it I get a DOS window for 2 seconds and then nothing.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 26 Oct 2009, 13:52
Is your computer turned on sir?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 26 Oct 2009, 14:01
Nah, turns out you have to restart Steam once before you can decrypt it.  However, I've been reading that some other people are still having issues starting the game, we'll see if they affect me in about 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 26 Oct 2009, 14:07
-Adding everyone to Steam to fill up the void of the friend list-
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 26 Oct 2009, 19:24
So some of you may have noticed I haven't responded in the last 5 hours.  Yeah, it works fine now.  And I can punch things until they catch on fire.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 26 Oct 2009, 21:02
Initial impressions:

-contrary to my initial hopes, the PC version is definitely a port
-no anti-aliasing and mouse smoothing make it extremely aggravating, especially as a sniper
-Gamespy sucks hard

My GID is Rhythmikk, I guess our Steam IDs won't be good enough.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 26 Oct 2009, 21:21
First game I've bought this close to release in years.

And it's fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 26 Oct 2009, 21:40
My roommate and I are super angry about this GameSpy shit.

We can play with each other over LAN and our friends who went in on the 4-pack with us also can over their LAN, but all four of us? Not happening.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 26 Oct 2009, 21:48
Every time I try to load the Join Game lobby, the game freezes. It is sort of ridiculous?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 26 Oct 2009, 22:35
Yeah Steam forums are exploding with bug reports. Plenty of people seem to have access to the game but it seems like at least for certain regions Valve pushed back the release date 3 days without prior notice. So yeah, surprise!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 26 Oct 2009, 23:16
This thread (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=998374) solves a lot of my immediate issues with Borderlands, although I still freeze at the MP menu.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 27 Oct 2009, 03:18
So I finally decided that I was going to buy this tonight so that I could play it.  I went to the Steam store and found out that Australia is one of the regions that the release has been pushed back in.

Fuck that :(
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 27 Oct 2009, 09:26
Huh. Well, the release date is still October 30 for me, like it had been all the time.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 27 Oct 2009, 09:37
I am still waiting to get the guns that shoot bullets in smiley face spreads. 

Anyone find any cool little hideaways?  There's that big raider outpost in the Arid Badlands on a rock, and I found a little shed a little ways away from there with a small basement with a red chest and a couple psycho midgets.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 Oct 2009, 10:09
My roommate and I played through Sledge's Hideout to get the mine key last night, him as a siren, me as a berserker.

Fun as hell. We died so many times but got so good at reviving ourselves/each other.

I am a midget punching machine.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 27 Oct 2009, 10:14
Every time I try to load the Join Game lobby, the game freezes. It is sort of ridiculous?


Just wait. Bunch of people on on the PA forums said they were having the same problem but if you wait it works fine. apparently it just "appears to freeze" but will work after a little bit. I don't know how long or anything or even if that's totally true since i play on 360 anyway, but it seems like a common problem.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 27 Oct 2009, 11:11
also, this:

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/10/500x_4049250377_d502e96abc_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 27 Oct 2009, 14:12
The future of porn looks bright.

So I heard that the vehicles in the game suck to drive, but as far as I'm concerned that goes for any vehicle in a FPS, and you steer with the mouse. Is this true, and more importantly, is it any good?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 27 Oct 2009, 14:20
it definitely sucks on the 360.

prolly sucks on PC too, but maybe not.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 27 Oct 2009, 14:48
I don't know if I would say it sucks, but it's definitely not good. After a few minutes you should get the hang of it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 27 Oct 2009, 14:57
Holy shit Bonehead is kicking my fucking ass.

His MIDGETS are kicking my fucking ass.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 27 Oct 2009, 15:04
I don't know if I would say it sucks, but it's definitely not good. After a few minutes you should get the hang of it.

That's good enough for me. I thought that, in theory, mouse steering should work better than A-D steering because you have better precision with turning. You can't make small corrections or throw over the wheel in a convincing fashion with keyboard buttons.

Damn it, if you guys are all halfway through the game by the time it releases for me, there won't be anyone to co-op with.  :|
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 27 Oct 2009, 15:11
Holy shit Bonehead is kicking my fucking ass.

His MIDGETS are kicking my fucking ass.

Haha, if you're having problems with Bone Head, good luck with Sledge.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ikrik on 27 Oct 2009, 15:13
steering isn't bad, it's just very unintuitive. I have on PS3 and you control gas with the left stick and you use the right stick to shift the camera to where you want to go.  (i'm assuming the controls are the same on the 360)  You can only move where you move the camera, so if you're trying to tangle with a bandit vehicle you have to be driving at it to shoot it.  

I'm really loving the unique monster quests.  I just killed Mothraak and King Wee Wee.  Some of them are pretty awesome, I totally tangled with Moe and Marley about 3 or 4 levels before I should have but beating it was so incredibly satisfying.

This is probably the biggest time-sinks I've bought this year.  It's the only thing I've been playing since I've picked it up last week.  Uncharted 2 has been completely shoved to the side and I'm putting off buying Ratchet and Clank until I beat this game.  

Sledge was a dick, but what I really hated were all of his stupid minions that kept spawning.  They killed me more than he did.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 27 Oct 2009, 15:14
vehicles blow a lot. it's not just unintuitive, it's counterintuitive. i feel like i need a special instruction manual just for my thumbs to read.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: BlahBlah on 27 Oct 2009, 15:15
I've killed all of the bosses in really cheap ways, by standing at the door with a sniper rifle and running in and out. It works well.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 27 Oct 2009, 16:54
Holy shit Bonehead is kicking my fucking ass.

His MIDGETS are kicking my fucking ass.

Haha, if you're having problems with Bone Head, good luck with Sledge.

Fuck you Brian, I don't have any cool guns.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 27 Oct 2009, 17:06
if you had it for 360, i would totally give you some sweet guns to get you going.

I'm on new game+ and pretty much every group of enemies has at least one blue drop, it seems like. Then again the enemies are now hard as shit to kill so they damn well better give me some awesome shit.


Think I'm gonna take a break from this game for a couple days to finish Demon's Souls. Demon's Souls is much more conducive to smoking weed than Borderlands anyway, and i just got paid so....you know.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 27 Oct 2009, 23:19
I might actually have to get live for this game.

Holy shit it's fun.

Just killed Sledge, not that bad once I decided to just snipe the fucc out of him and keep running away. I keep thinking Badass raiders are Bandit Raiders, and then they kill me.

Alpha Skags are the most obnoxious shit to kill. I wish you could sprint while strafing.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 27 Oct 2009, 23:53
Playthrough 2 is no fucking joke. Even in Skag Gully, I've been crippled several times and the only reason I don't die is because there's a fucking billion dudes swarming you so it's usually pretty easy to get a second wind. Though, I have been playing a little sloppy because I'm trying to use my alien weapons as much as possible to build proficiency with them.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 28 Oct 2009, 08:54
I'm really itching for some coop tonight. Any PC gamers willing to do a fresh run-through around 6 PST tonight? GID is Rhythmikk.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 28 Oct 2009, 09:00
Quote from: ArchangelShrike
For those playing on PC, and haven't hit their game with tweaks yet (no loading movies, etc) here (http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=79043) and here (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=998374).

Cross-posted for your discretion, PC gamers.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Oct 2009, 09:59
Sweeeeeeeeeet

Hooray for PC gaming!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 29 Oct 2009, 11:43
Argh, now I received the game but Steam keeps saying the servers are too busy to pre-load...  :x
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 29 Oct 2009, 11:46
FUCK YOU KROM!
...Ok, better.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 29 Oct 2009, 13:14
I'm really itching for some coop tonight. Any PC gamers willing to do a fresh run-through around 6 PST tonight? GID is Rhythmikk.
I should be around 7 PM PST
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 29 Oct 2009, 14:37
Yesss, pre-loading right now. 3 hours until release, but unfortunately I won't be able to play until 7 PM CET tommorow. Good thing I have the weekend to throw away at this. Is anyone in the European area available to play at not ridiculous times?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 30 Oct 2009, 05:23
WOOOO second wind against a badass fire skag
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 30 Oct 2009, 06:17
Oh hey.  There is a problem with Radeon 4x00 graphics cards on Windows 7 where it will hard lock after about 5 mins play.

Guess who it is effecting.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 30 Oct 2009, 10:32
That sucks.  Steam often hangs for me for no reason and I'm one of the few who haven't experienced problems with this game.  Beat Skagzilla a few days ago and sort of lost interest and went back to Rock Band 2 but I'm sure I'll pick it up again next week. 
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 31 Oct 2009, 10:09
The game itself is pretty good, although it's impossible for me to join any multiplayer games. Whenever I try to connect it counts down 15 seconds and gives an error, every single time. The Steam forums say you have to open up some ports, and I have no idea how to do that either.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 31 Oct 2009, 11:07
What kind of router are you using?

Also, opening ports is only necessary for a host, not a client -- the problem you're experiencing is a whole bunch of people not opening ports before hosting a public server.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 31 Oct 2009, 13:35
Oh hey.  There is a problem with Radeon 4x00 graphics cards on Windows 7 where it will hard lock after about 5 mins play.

Guess who it is effecting.

I didn't notice this but only because I haven't bothered redownloading it after my preload broke and it got pushed back. I really didn't think I could get bored of a game between it's release date and it actually coming out. There's another reason I probably won't actually end up playing it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 31 Oct 2009, 16:19
I was running 4890+4870 Crossfire.  I took the 4870 out yesterday and it's been playing ok so far (touch wood).  There was one bug I encountered really early, where Claptrap got stuck somehow just before the medical outpost in Fyrestone.  Had to reload and play through Fyrestone again for it to do the bit properly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 31 Oct 2009, 22:26
You bitches need to buy microphones.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 31 Oct 2009, 23:20
Man Co-Op is so much fun in this shit.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 01 Nov 2009, 02:34
You bitches need to buy microphones.

I've got a microphone but my computer has no idea it even exists. Yeah, co-op is lots of fun but sometimes I just want to stop and sort out my weapons, search the area for loot and explore a bit, but when three people rush ahead there's no time for that. So last night I cleared out the Lost Cave solo, for those spark crystals. Man, that cave fucks you up. At the end there's an area where twelve Alpha Skags come at you in pairs. It was like they never stopped coming. The loot was well worth it, though. Got lots of elemental revolvers, and also an explosive artifact.

And what surprised me is that the vehicles in this game don't actually suck. I like using the mouse for steering, it's not jittery like using the buttons. Sure, the vehicle physics might not be entirely realistic, since the acceleration is impossibly fast, but it doesn't jump all over the place when you hit a rock. It stops, like a regular car would. And driving backwards is also surprisingly easy, contrary to the button controls where you have to turn the wheel in the opposite direction you want to go. I like it a lot. Especially running over lots of skags.

By the way, has anyone gotten the challenge "12 days of Pandora" yet? The challenges are in the missions tab, select them at the top.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 01 Nov 2009, 02:53
It seems like they hold off on corrosive damage weapons for a good long while - I'm at level 22 presently and I've only seen it once in a grenade mod. Once I kill two people with acid damage I'll have the achievement.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 01 Nov 2009, 02:56
Same here. I did find a corrosive SMG once, but that was lv 25 to use, and I was only 17. It gave me a good buck.

(Wail of agony from people playing soldier)

Now I find out that my tendency to shoot everything in the face is backfiring on me. Then Alpha Skags have got massive armor plating all over their head and back, so my revolver only does 60 damage per shot there. When I can shoot it in the flank, however, that goes up to 300. And I always happen to be reloading at the moment it opens its mouth.

Also, has anyone playing Mordecai put points in Lethal Strike? I've got a bladed revolver and this skill is devastating to everything more than two levels below you. Every skag that's not an Adult or higher, I can cleave in half with 1000+ damage. Great for saving ammo.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 01 Nov 2009, 06:44
I got it a while ago, I think it was mainly from my corrosive bloodwing.

There are some ways to make the skags roar a lot so you can crit them in the mouth, usually by being far away or finding an area boundary.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 01 Nov 2009, 08:33
You bitches need to buy microphones.
Yeah, co-op is lots of fun but sometimes I just want to stop and sort out my weapons, search the area for loot and explore a bit, but when three people rush ahead there's no time for that.

I'm a loot-whore too, so I like taking my team and slowly working through a level (although it's not such a big deal anymore because I have regenerative ammo).
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: pilsner on 01 Nov 2009, 08:37
I got it a while ago, I think it was mainly from my corrosive bloodwing.

There are some ways to make the skags roar a lot so you can crit them in the mouth, usually by being far away or finding an area boundary.

Is this for the second playthrough?  Because in the first playthrough the only skags that haven't been trivial so far at equal or lesser level were Harley, Moe and Skagzilla.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 01 Nov 2009, 08:42
I do have a mic, but I share a room with my brother, so I tend to not use it at night.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 01 Nov 2009, 11:00
I finally got through Playthrough 1 at lvl 36. Starting the second today.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 01 Nov 2009, 11:47
Yessss. I'm a few hours in to my second playthrough but I stopped because soloing is so much less fun. We need to hook it up so we can power through to 50. I need to 1000/1000 this game before Dragon Age comes out.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Spike on 01 Nov 2009, 17:22
My first excursion into online multiplayer has been a bit of a dissapointment, but it has more to do with the people who were playing and not the game itself.  I ran out of ammo a few times because people just decided to pick up everything they could without even considering the other players.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 01 Nov 2009, 17:46
Play with me -- support gunners regenerate ammo for all teammates!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 02 Nov 2009, 09:28
I was playing with 3 support gunners last night which was ridiculous in terms of ammo regeneration.

On the downside, 240,000 of my monies have disappeared.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 02 Nov 2009, 14:12
Fucking microphone won't work even though I tried installing and uninstalling three different drivers.

People in my game seem to get a lot of lag when I host. Does anyone know what I can do about this?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 02 Nov 2009, 15:54
Move?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 03 Nov 2009, 15:15
What, like to a new house?  :? But the people I played with haven't configurated their ports, so I just send out the invites.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 03 Nov 2009, 16:28
My new alien shotgun electrocutes people so that their skulls explode very slowly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 03 Nov 2009, 20:28
Like, move to North America.

Jeeze.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Darke on 04 Nov 2009, 08:07
Woo, finally got this. Spent all of yesterday punching things to death.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 04 Nov 2009, 14:59
Hey, you know One-Eyed Jack, right? He drops this gun called Madjack. It's got mad damage, mad accuracy, mad firing rate, and mad looks. A bit after I got it I ran straight into the gun of a Badass Bruiser. I emptied two clips in him in panic, and took him out clean. So I had this other revolver, purple rarity, 3x explosive and stats all below the Madjack, so I thought, I won't need that anymore! Sold it. Then I go about using Madjack. It's a great gun, takes out most bandits in one shot, some two, has got a good sight on it, and 95 accuracy with that. The shots even ricochet off surfaces! No problem, right? Problem.

IT DOESN'T SHOOT FUCKING STRAIGHT.

Ohhh, so that's why they call it the Madjack! The bullet swerves around madly in the general direction of your aim, and half the time it bends perfectly around your target. Fuck! What good is 95 accuracy if it doesn't even travel in a straight line? By that time I had gone to another area and the shops had restocked so the other gun is nowhere to be found in the buy-back list. Goddamn it.

(I get real attached to my guns.)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 04 Nov 2009, 18:11
Completed!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 04 Nov 2009, 18:13
LTK just got trolled
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 05 Nov 2009, 07:10
I have been playing as a sniper, right?

Well, at this point I'm using a total of 0 guns with scopes. Even my sniper rifle has a blade sight. It is the Elephant Gun. Totally powerful and accurate. My revolver does 56x7 damage and has an almost instantaneous reload speed. My SMG does 25x4 damage and my shotgun does 64x11 with 3 explosive.

I slam.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 05 Nov 2009, 08:35
For a while I was just running up to enemies and shooting them point-blank in the face with my sniper rifle.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 05 Nov 2009, 09:52
I finally started playing and yeah, I love the way you can snap headshots with the sniper rifle. This 9 clip, 2 shots per second one was my go-to close range weapon for some time (until I got hold of revolvers).
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 05 Nov 2009, 11:47
Personally, I like transfusion grenades the best. They chase enemies and HEAL YOU. How awesome is that? They don't do much in the way of damage, though.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 05 Nov 2009, 11:48
So far Longbows and MIRV have been my favorite. There is just something very satisfying about having a Massive Corrosive cloud of green gas break through the enemy ranks.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 05 Nov 2009, 11:52
Personally, I like transfusion grenades the best. They chase enemies and HEAL YOU. How awesome is that? They don't do much in the way of damage, though.

tell that to my 101 damage Transfusion mod.

Also, I found an awesome combat rifle last night that has forced me to actually use a combat rifle on my Hunter for the first time (all the ones i've encountered up until now have sucked).

it's rate of fire is over 10 and the clip is around 55 and oh yeah it sets shit on fire. it burns through ammo and enemies like nobody's business. makes me glad i have another, shitty combat rifle that regrows ammo, so i just equip that opposite my good one and use it to regrow ammo whenever i'm not shooting at stuff. My combat rifle proficiency went up around 9 levels or so last night.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Darke on 05 Nov 2009, 13:24
I really do not enjoy combat rifles at all. Not that as it matters much as I generally talk with my fists, but even as I'm waiting for Berserk to recharge, I'll be hanging back with an SMG or shotgun. I was going to put some points into my Explosives (or whatever it's called) skill tree, but at level 23 I've come across one rocket launcher and it's absolutely terrible, so screw it. I like the idea of my tank/brawler build anyway.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 05 Nov 2009, 14:22
I have a sort of taboo on using guns outside of my class. I rarely even use anything but snipers, repeaters and revolvers. Occasionally I carry around a rocket launcher to use on things like Skagzilla, but SMGs, machine guns and shotguns I always sell. Everything far away perishes at my sniper rifle, everything close up perishes at my revolver, and everything on more than two legs perishes at my caustic repeater. Seriously, it's so much fun to take down swarms of spiderants with that thing. I shoot a couple of rounds at the head, they get Corroded and turn around, leaving the hind body wide open. It works on every Spiderant except the Badass Corrosive ones, but that's no problem since they conveniently lift up their hind bodies to take a revolver shot at. I got the Conveyor of Death challenge slaughtering the lot of them. Lethal Strike is a really useful skill to have for Hunters, too. I never have to waste a single bullet on Scythids, cause they're squishy enough to just hack away at. Although it seems that melee kills, like running things over, gives you much less experience than shooting stuff. I get why you don't get points for vehicular manslaughter, cause every idiot can do that, but I'd like to see some return of investement of those Lethal Strike points.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Darke on 05 Nov 2009, 15:48
Huh, really? I wonder if that applies to all melee kills, including Brick's punches during Berserk. If so, that is seriously unfair.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 06 Nov 2009, 03:06
Make sure to have a weapon that electrocutes enemies when you fight the Crimson Lance because their helmets and flesh pop off and their skulls slowly explode.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 06 Nov 2009, 05:54
No, that happens when you electrocute any human enemy. It's especially fun for midgets, that scream and scream until the top of their head comes off.   :lol:
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 06 Nov 2009, 20:03
I am playing as a soldier.  Problem is that I am not finding any decent combat rifles for my level (19).  I've had a really decent one (decent damage, +sets people on fire, +35 clip size) for a while now, but it's getting too weak and I'm not finding anything else decent, so I've been using the multiple goddamn fucking sniper rifles I've been coming across.  It got to the point where I started another game as a sniper last night because I thought maybe it was just the way I was wanting to play, but that guy quickly got a really decent combat rifle and SMG and I found I was trying to play my sniper as a soldier.  Huh.

Having a lot of fun though!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 07 Nov 2009, 00:27
Figures that as soon as I complain I get a string of awesome combat rifle drops.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 07 Nov 2009, 00:46
Quick, complain about world hunger!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 07 Nov 2009, 05:34
Ever wonder how all those ammo boxes end up in toilet pots? Now you know! (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/stolen-pixels/6743-Stolen-Pixels-140-The-Circle-of-Ammunition)

Also, I've recently found this rocket launcher nicknamed 'the Rhino'. When you fire it, it explodes constantly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 07 Nov 2009, 18:29
Finally got the internet at my apartment.

Gamertag- BeardedGlyphic


Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 07 Nov 2009, 20:20
When you fire it, it explodes constantly.

Rad

I have a shotgun that fires 6 rockets in anything but a straight line.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 07 Nov 2009, 20:34
SO like, did anyone beat Mad Mel without dying?  If so, how?  Did you play it super-cautious, drive into the ring slowly, back up to the entry, jump out & over the lip then snipe everything really cheaply?  Because man, I can't fucking control the jeep thing well enough to avoid 2 normal dudes plus an armoured truck firing rockets at me, so after I died the first time I just sniped from the outside of the ring where they couldn't get me.  It felt cheap, but fuck those guys for not being smart enough to get to me.

If this game had a hardcore mode I am not sure how you'd get through that part, or even how you'd go about doing the mission killing the rocket-firing runners.  I didn't die doing those, but there were some very close calls.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Trollstormur on 07 Nov 2009, 21:58
I dunno, I joined a group and they magically killed Mel.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 07 Nov 2009, 23:46
The runners I killed by driving up and agroing then leading them back to lucky's where I got the hell out of the car and used a combat rifle instead. I did a similar thing for Mad Mel, but only after trying to do it properly and jumping out of my car when I realised it wasn't going to work.

I just finished the last hidden journal quest and I'm really liking the Patricia Tannis character.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: BlahBlah on 08 Nov 2009, 02:37
SO like, did anyone beat Mad Mel without dying?  If so, how?  Did you play it super-cautious, drive into the ring slowly, back up to the entry, jump out & over the lip then snipe everything really cheaply?  Because man, I can't fucking control the jeep thing well enough to avoid 2 normal dudes plus an armoured truck firing rockets at me, so after I died the first time I just sniped from the outside of the ring where they couldn't get me.  It felt cheap, but fuck those guys for not being smart enough to get to me.

If this game had a hardcore mode I am not sure how you'd get through that part, or even how you'd go about doing the mission killing the rocket-firing runners.  I didn't die doing those, but there were some very close calls.

Standing on the lip is definitely the best way to do it. I've found that almost all of the bosses can be killed in cheap ways like that.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 08 Nov 2009, 05:37
I died two times with Mel too, in co-op with two other people. The worst thing is, when you lose your car, you're done for. When mine blows up I can snipe one of those runners for a second wind, but that's it. No way in hell you can take down Mel on foot. Eventually we pulled it off with two of us dead for the second time, and the third guy - higher level - finished him. I think the biggest mistake was using the rocket launcher. Blowing yourself up is what it does best, and damaging other enemies is only second to that. And you'll miss half the time, too. Maybe using a machine turret would have been easier.

Now that I think of it, I had surprisingly little trouble with the other runners outside of that ring. As far as I can recall, I needed only to get out of the car and shoot them once with my fire sniper. Instant barbecue.

Speaking of cheap ways to kill enemies, how about this guardians? They're fast sonsofbitches, and the first time I got there they danced circles around me while I was emptying my shock revolver, hitting nothing. When I was out of ammo, I ran and melee'd everything that stood in my way. And when I got to the exit, I looked back and saw that they were all already dead. Big surprise. Tried it a second time after they respawned, and it turns out I can take them down with two or three swipes. Lethal Strike FTW.

Oh, I just remembered something. You know what this game could use a lot more of? Music. I mean, in the intro movie we hear a cool song that really sets the mood for the game, but after that we don't hear any more of it. The background music doesn't quite cut it either. When you look at games like Fallout 3 and Bioshock, the radio and music played does a lot for the atmosphere, and I think Borderlands could benefit from that too. You already see radios all over the place, but they're all eerily silent.

Just listen to it already. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4LDLfXrEWo)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 08 Nov 2009, 07:53
I didn't have a problem with Mad Mel. I took him out on foot with my SMG. Of course, it was the SMG that shoots four bullets at once.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 08 Nov 2009, 09:00
You know what this game could use a lot more of? Music.

Yeah, I think my favourite area is skag gully because of the combination of the background music and scenery, and the music that plays when a shitload of skags come after you.

The game feels like it needs a lot more detail to make it more in-depth and awesome. One thing that especially annoyed me was that the characters supposedly had backstories, but I heard absolutely nothing about them in-game.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Trollstormur on 08 Nov 2009, 10:09
more importantly, how did you kill Mothrakk?

I cheesed it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 08 Nov 2009, 10:31
First time I tried I didn't even see the bastard, I just exploded. Second time I'd leveled up a bit so I ran away from the flames and sniped it when it stopped trying to set me on fire. You have to cheese it tactically.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 08 Nov 2009, 11:00
Trollstormur that is possibly the most disgusting avatar I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 08 Nov 2009, 11:01
I killed Mothrakk with a group of friends -- three soldiers and a hunter, we took turns dropping medi-turrets and hiding underneath a garage.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Trollstormur on 08 Nov 2009, 11:27
Trollstormur that is possibly the most disgusting avatar I have ever seen.


funfact: you're still sporting an avatar from my brainslug meme.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 08 Nov 2009, 13:04
I enjoyed that meme. It was kind of a forum/community solidarity thing.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 08 Nov 2009, 13:49
The first time against Mothrakk I used the car with a machine gun, made distance, switched to gunner, shot it until it came close, and repeated. I got killed hard. Then someone told me that when you're alone in a car, you can use the space bar to lock on to targets. Then it's just a matter of driving circles and holding down RMB.

I'm kind of bummed that most of those bosses are so easy to kill, using either a lot of firepower or a trick. Krom, for example, took me zero effort. I was playing alongside another hunter, and I was at the start of the big canyon where he holes up in. I took my fire sniper, took aim at his turret - no idea it was him sitting in it - and blew it up in three shots. (The guy has a completely bitchin' repeater, btw) There's no satisfaction in that! I'd rather fight a boss that kills everyone twice before the one who gets him survives with barely any health left than this. Just like that little Scythid that the bandits worshipped. Bullets had no effect, so I minced it with my machete, and it was done. Come ooooon.

Man, this game sure gets in your head. I complain about the lack of nicer music in here, and then Patricia Tannis radios me to tell me how she thinks music is stupid and a waste of time.

Something fun happened today, too: I was in the Middle of Nowhere, browsing through the Steam usergroup without any active menus in-game, when Mordecai suddenly says "Why, yes, now that you mention it, I DO like to stand around doing NOTHING!" I laughed my head off. What kind of idle messages do the other characters have?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 Nov 2009, 13:53
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/11/12virtual.jpg)
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 08 Nov 2009, 15:04
Wow, those guys want to be Penny Arcade really, really badly.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Surgoshan on 08 Nov 2009, 21:22
Between Tycho's words and Gabe's art, they would have gotten all that done in three panels.


Still, well done comic.  It just took a little too long to say what it wanted to say.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 09 Nov 2009, 02:45
Yeah, I actually started out thinking it was a special PA comic they made for Gearbox, like their Dragon Age stuff or something.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 09 Nov 2009, 15:02
Zombie DLC coming Nov. 24

http://kotaku.com/5400556/borderlands-undead-dlc-coming-nov-24
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 09 Nov 2009, 21:39
Not just zombies, but were-Skags too, huh?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Reed on 09 Nov 2009, 22:19
Holy shit, my rommate and I have made it up to level 28 (it took a Saturday of playing 9 beer and pizza fueled hours of work) and we just bought the game last Thursday. I really can't imagine playing this game by myself, it's so much better with a friend!!

Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 12 Nov 2009, 08:41
Just started a berserker. Berserkers are fucking awesome
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 12 Nov 2009, 09:07
Just wait until you can light people on fire with your fists
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Surgoshan on 12 Nov 2009, 10:14
I punch people so hard that they explode.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 12 Nov 2009, 11:13
Just wait until you can light people on fire with your fists
I punch people so hard that they explode.
light people on fire with your fists!
punch people so hard that they explode!

I was going to trade this in but now I'm rethinking.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Darke on 12 Nov 2009, 16:32
Seriously, the Berserker is so much fun. And if fire isn't your thing, maybe you'd like to shoot lightning bolts from your knuckles.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: FIXDIX on 12 Nov 2009, 16:40
I love playing with a friend and seeing my Siren looking like a firey angel from hell after I kill shit.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Reed on 13 Nov 2009, 10:38
Man, what the fuck? My roommate and I got to level 30 when our god damn saves were corrupted! Same thing that happened to me right before the killer croc battle in Arkham Asylum.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 13 Nov 2009, 10:58
Start menu: Exit

do that whenever you quit; it will autosave. Seems to be a pretty common problem which I believe stems from turning off the console, or otherwise exiting the game, without actually Quitting.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Reed on 13 Nov 2009, 11:14
Hey, thanks! We restarted with new characters, so hopefully it won't get corrupted again
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 13 Nov 2009, 23:56
Hey, people who are playing this on the pc, what are your Gamespy tags?

I've added Rhythmikk, Ozymandiasx & ThePopStalinist, but not sure if they are correct or not.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 14 Nov 2009, 04:28
I'm LTK_70, did you add me by any chance? I was starting up the game yesterday and a friend request came up, but the Steam overlay was in the way so I pressed escape, which closed the Steam overlay but also denied the friend request. That was not what I wanted. When the hell did the escape key work as a 'No' answer anyway? It never cancels anything in the inventory or shops menus! And friend managing isn't exactly convenient either...

Got the third vault key piece yesterday. That Rakk Hive was awesome.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Dimmukane on 14 Nov 2009, 10:02
<---me
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 14 Nov 2009, 17:30
I am genuinely surprised that the idea of "giant monster with a vagina for a mouth" has not been successfully pitched before now.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 14 Nov 2009, 18:36
Just sent requests to you two too.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 14 Nov 2009, 21:06
I am genuinely surprised that the idea of "giant monster with a vagina for a mouth" has not been successfully pitched before now.

I'm really certain that Shin Megami Tensei has these.

I mean, they did have a chariot riding penis monster.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 14 Nov 2009, 21:41
I am genuinely surprised that the idea of "giant monster with a vagina for a mouth" has not been successfully pitched before now.

have you ever seen anything ever done by the Japanese?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Johnny C on 14 Nov 2009, 22:16
I am genuinely surprised that the idea of "giant monster with a vagina for a mouth" has not been successfully pitched before now.

and it's managed to appear in two games released in the same month this year, what does that say about the zeitgeist
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 15 Nov 2009, 00:17
That we love our yonic imagery?

Also, SMT very definitely has a vagina-based counterpart to Mara. Meet Arioch:

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/thumb/8/83/AriochSMT.jpg/487px-AriochSMT.jpg)

Keep in mind that the original Shin Megami Tensei was released in 1992.

Japan's a fucked up place.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 15 Nov 2009, 00:18
Ah, yeah.


That was the guy. Or gal. Or whatever. Ah, fuck it, Japan confuses me.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 15 Nov 2009, 00:20
He's not as common as Mara, I believe the only game he's in to come out in English is Devil Survivor.

Actually, he might be in DDS as well, I don't remember that well. He's definitely not in the Persona games, I've played them enough to know that for sure.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 15 Nov 2009, 04:41
Finished it yesterday around 2:45 am. When we were starting out I was playing with someone 5 levels lower than me (28 and 33) and we were about to go for Baron Flynt. He got killed a lot by the Lance, and I had to either keep reviving him or tank the damage - as a Hunter. It did keep things interesting, though. At the end I was at level 37 and he was 36. Earlier I bought a lv 34 static revolver that shock exploded at every single shot, and those guardians were helpless against it. When I get a pistol ammo regeneration mod after that, it's completely unstoppable.

But uh, what actually happened at the ending? Spoiler: So the Vault opens, big giant monster comes out that's not unlike Half-Life: Opposing Force's end boss, you shoot it really hard and it dies. Vault closes, please come back in 200 years. Well, that's a bitter disappointment, seeing as the Destroyer didn't drop very good loot itself. I was at least expecting a few Eridian or Orange weapons, but nope. Okay, so Angel, who is either a person operating a Hyperion spy sattelite, or an AI, knows a lot about the Vault and that thing that was in it. She makes us open it and kill it, and then thanks us for our efforts. No idea how she knows all this about it, and what her motives or goals were. And then there's CL4P-TP, INTERPLANETARY NINJA ASSASSIN. Does anyone have a clue?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 15 Nov 2009, 07:59
"Hey, we should make a shitty ending so people will want a sequel to resolve it."
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 15 Nov 2009, 16:46
Started over as a Soldier, and got to my second playthrough as a Hunter. I guess the difficulty is scaled up pretty well, because it takes almost exactly the same amount of effort to kill Nine-Toes and do side-quests.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Melodic on 15 Nov 2009, 18:04
The second playthrough is really refreshing, since for most of playthrough one I was 3-4 levels ahead of the enemy. Better loot, too!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Storm Rider on 15 Nov 2009, 18:28
"Hey, we should make a shitty ending so people will want a sequel to resolve it."

No, I think it's more that "we don't give a rat's ass about the story under any circumstances, but we don't think the users care either so who cares?"

And it seems like Borderlands has worked out very well for Gearbox, both critically and commercially. I know it far outstripped most industry predictions in early sales numbers. And I'm sure 2K will be more than happy to greenlight a sequel, considering they were so close to the brink a couple of years ago that they're looking for absolutely anything they can turn into a successful franchise.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: JD on 15 Nov 2009, 18:57
Sequel has already been confirmed.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 16 Nov 2009, 14:37
I have no idea where to go with my Soldier, none of those builds are particularly appealing to me, so I'm just gonna get a Siren instead.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Surgoshan on 16 Nov 2009, 20:41
Berserker, man. Berskerker.

YOU EXPLODE SHIT WITH YOUR FISTS.

And when you do so you heal yourself.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 16 Nov 2009, 21:47
The other guy I started over with did Berserker, and he activated berserk whenever we were travelling somewhere cause it made him run faster. Yes, he screams constantly. And it's not like you can cancel out Berserk like Phasewalk or Bloodwing so you're stuck in it until it wears off. "I can't stop this rage! It's making me more angry!!"

Also, did you know the Bloodwing isn't actually a bird, but a reptile? You never get a good look at it, but when I saw it stuck in an object a few times I saw that the wings were leathery. In the sketch-intro movie, kid Mordecai already had a kind of pet flying reptile. I wonder if it's related to Rakk?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 17 Nov 2009, 10:02
Yeah, I think it's probably some kind of domesticated mini-rakk.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 17 Nov 2009, 10:54
If you throw your bloodwing into the ground and recall it quickly, and repeat (many times) you get lots of bloodwings.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: McTaggart on 17 Nov 2009, 11:09
Apparently all the characters originate off-world? I think it was in the wiki. I wish it went into more detail than it does about the characters' origins.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 17 Nov 2009, 14:15
Well, T.K. Baha does say you smell like off-worlder. But where the characters originate from is never said in the game.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: öde on 17 Nov 2009, 14:39
(http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/103/1030605/borderlands-20091001021523087-000.jpg)

Birds and reptiles are basically the same, anyway.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 17 Nov 2009, 14:45
Feathers make all the difference. What's more important, I just read that the update fixed the items so that five lines of detail information are visible. You can also control voice chat better.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 18 Nov 2009, 17:53
I think I know what kind of creature the Bloodwing is. Does anyone remember in Descent that birds flew up in the sky just before the flying Guardians show up? I think they were called Trash Birds, or something like that. They can be killed, they were all level one, and they would come a little closer and back off from time to time, never actually attacking you. And they were the exact image of that bird in the picture. You should check it out.

By the way, did you know that the things you continue to do in the first playthrough affect your character in the second? I was sorting out my guns in the first playthrough, I don't remember why, and I came across a really good 4x caustic revolver in a shop. Apparently, your inventory interchanges items of the first and second playthroughs, enabling you to get high level weapons to the first playthrough and good vending machine guns to the second. I did just that, scrounged through all the gun vendors in the game and picked out some orange-rarity guns, and some of them are quite helpful. I finally figured out that corrosive weapons don't affect shields like shock weapons do, but armor, mostly of the Crimson Lance and the Spiderants. Before I never really used corrosive guns, turns out they could have saved me a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 21 Nov 2009, 08:08
I think it's pretty clear what the Angel's motivation was,
(click to show/hide)
and I think that the bit with Claptrap was just more comedy relief, not to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 30 Nov 2009, 17:23
I just started playing this game and it is fucking awesome. Everything is enjoyable. Though some things could be touched up, notably the driving, and Ive only started a Siren but Im struggling to believe that there would be any incredible difference between chars.

One thing I am happy to see adopted is the Grey/Green/Blue/Purple rarity thing that Torchlight and Borderlands adopted.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Alex C on 30 Nov 2009, 18:19
It's really not that bad; once you're high enough level there's some pretty powerful class mod items you can equip that further specialize your character, so even if all 4 character classes have fundamentally similarities, there's still ways to customize each one. For example, you can set up Mordecai so that he's constantly regenerating and can easily pick off enemies from a distance while regenerating the incidental damage. Or you can do what I did and set him up so he's an engine of death whose attack speed and damage goes through the roof after he's made a kill. Likewise Lilith can become a hit and run artist via Phasewalk, Inner Glow and the Defender class mod or she can go down the Assassin tree and just murder everything close up. I'd say the fault lies with the fact that all FPS games are fundamentally click-until-dead games rather than a game design issue.


Also, I'd just like to say that I think it's a bit sad that people seem to underestimate Roland's skills; an increased magazine size isn't flashy, but when you consider that such abilities can make some of the "gimmick" weapons actually practical, he becomes far more interesting. Basically, every shotgun in the game that makes you think "Man, this thing would be great if only..." can probably become ridiculously powerful in the hands of Roland.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 30 Nov 2009, 21:24
Oh how I want a Revolver that looks like the Trigun. I almost bought one that was severely lower quality than anything I had simply because it looked cool... And was the first revolver I saw.

Im a level or two away from getting blackout the kill based cooldown reduction of phasewalk in the Assassin skilltree and that will hopefully start netting some cool results too
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 01 Dec 2009, 05:03
I got a revolver that looks like the trigun. It shoots seven bullets at a time. Paired with my gunslinger class mod and the better criticals perk, I can kill pretty much anything with a critical headshot.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Jace on 01 Dec 2009, 06:55
Played this for the first time last night on split screen. Super fun, I love it. Gonna pick it up on either 360 (also going to pick up a 360) or PC when I get some money.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 01 Dec 2009, 07:07
If anyone gets to around level 30 and wants to maybe do some co-op, my Xbox gamertag is BeardedGlyphic. I haven't played in a few weeks because the pickup games I got into involved a lot of standing around and waiting for people to stop interrupting travel.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 01 Dec 2009, 10:07
I got a revolver that looks like the trigun. It shoots seven bullets at a time. Paired with my gunslinger class mod and the better criticals perk, I can kill pretty much anything with a critical headshot.

Yeah, those Masher revolvers are pretty cool, shooting a shotgun spread like that. It allows you to be less accurate and still get major hits in. I've got a purple scoped Masher that does 200 x7, but honestly, with its two-shot mag it's easier to just use repeaters.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 01 Dec 2009, 12:10
Mine only does 56X7, but it has a 6 round cylinder and has an extremely upgraded reload rate. Less than a second, even. It rules.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 05 Dec 2009, 16:43
Reloading always throws my aim off, so I don't like using guns with a small clip, unless they have a low rate of fire anyway.

I find it hard to get bored of Borderlands. I have now finished the second playthrough so everything gets bumped up to level 49-51. I've respecced from Sniper/Gunslinger to Rogue/Gunslinger and I found out that the Bloodwing is actually very good when upgraded, not to mention that it drops fifty thousand dollars every time it attacks with the Swipe skill. But then I spend more time picking up loot than fighting, so I traded that off for Aerial Impact which immobilizes everything instead. Not only that, but I found a bitchin' S&S Glorious Massacre that is lots of fun to use too, as well as a load of orange-rarity shotguns.

Really, if you respec to a completely different build or start using a different class of weapon, it's so much more fun to play. Variety is the spice of murder!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: est on 05 Dec 2009, 17:33
I will probs play Borderlands some more after I'm done with Dragon Age.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 07 Dec 2009, 07:09
I just realized last night why I stopped playing. I joined a quick match which automatically assigned me all the quests of the highest-level player. This means that 50% of my available quests are past the effing bridges in Rust Commons East and I do not have the quest which lowers them yet.

ARRGGHHH.

Why did that happen it is so annoying!
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: KvP on 07 Dec 2009, 09:00
And it's not like you can cancel out Berserk
Maybe this has been patched over or it doesn't work in multiplayer but when I played Berserker switching to journal / inventory and back caused my berserk state to end.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 07 Dec 2009, 14:29
Yeah, I read about that on the Gearbox forum too. Good to know if I'm ever starting over with Brick.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 07 Dec 2009, 15:00
It should work with all the other special abilities as well.
I can't speak for the Turret since I haven't played a Soldier, but I know it also works with Bloodwing and Phasewalk.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 07 Dec 2009, 21:27
Turrets are not un-deployable, and you're only able to cancel Berserk indirectly, so the Bloodwing and Phasewalk are the only two that should be cancellable. In the case of the Hunter, that's good too, because with Out For Blood combined with Bird Of Prey what you basically have is a flying full healing kit that's on callback for whenever you're running low on health.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 09 Dec 2009, 16:58
Zombie Island for PC is here. I don't think I'm gonna get it, though. I don't expect it to be worth the 8. Steam auto-updated Borderlands just now, and this reset all the settings to default, as well as the things I altered in the system files. Way to go. I used to run the game on low settings, because I went with the first thing that made it run smoothly. Hell, I didn't even know what anisotropic filtering is. But then I found out that Ambient Occlusion and Dynamic Shadows take the most out of your framerate when enabled, and the rest could be set to max. The Depth of Field looked particularly nice in the way that it blurred the edges of the screen when you were aiming. It also distorts the screen when you get hit by a corrosive attack, for example. That's a bit bothersome, but I can live with it. Then someone in the Tetanus Warrens shot me down, and the screen starts fading to black. Spotting enemies inside that pitch-dark cave was hard enough, and this makes it impossible to get a second wind. Does anyone even have Depth of Field enabled?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Jace on 11 Dec 2009, 07:34
I really like this game. I'd like it more with the addition of a mini-map. I've only played on 360, but I am considering picking it up for PC because I have a PC and do not own a 360. Is it worth it to pick up for PC?
How many of you own it on PC because I'd really like to play with people I know (relatively speaking) instead of random strangers/solo. I think the huge fun of this game is in the team play and the team dynamic of starting with 3 other people at level 1 and then playing through.

My experience thus far has been lackluster because I have been playing with people (two different people at different times) ~20+ levels above me, I feel that there should be more of a challenge than letting (they do it anyways) the level 30 player take out the tough stuff.

ADDENDUM: DOESN'T MATTER BOUGHT IT FOR PC ANYWAYS.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 11 Dec 2009, 22:04
I have a D/Led version for PC. No clue if you can play online with it though.

Anyway Ive finished one playthrough with Siren.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 12 Dec 2009, 06:14
I'm pretty sure you can play online with a pirated version, but don't ask me how. Don't dedicated servers prevent that kind of thing, or is it just negligence on the protection?

Hey Jace, you can bring up a mini-map with tab. It's right there next to the tape icon for quests. You should add my gamespy ID: It's LTK_70. I'm sure I have a character in your level range.

To be honest, I noticed very little of the teamplay dynamic myself. When you play with three random strangers in a wide-open area teamplay doesn't exist. Everyone just goes where they feel like. If you play with a friend, you kill the stuff the other guy doesn't, and that's about it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 12 Dec 2009, 12:04
LTK, that is called a map. A mini-map is on screen the entire time, its generally small and unobtrusive, some times less detailed or semi-transparent.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 12 Dec 2009, 15:19
Of course it is. I will smack myself on the back of my head now. Although I think that with the way the map is, a mini-map would be fairly useless when it comes to navigating. Loot and other interactables, however, would be useful to put there. Most everyone misses the Green Thumbs quest in Rust Commons East entirely because the quest-giver is directed to by a compass icon only, and when you kill Mothrakk the loot spreads all over the place and it can be hard to find. The compass does show you loot and interactables, but only one icon at a time.

By the way, there is a new DLC announced! It's called Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot - enough with the Mad Max references, now - and it's got three new arenas, item storage and a gameplay mode like Horde where you fight infinite enemies. That looks a lot better than the Zombie Island, I'll definitely buy it.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 14 Dec 2009, 07:40
I have never been to an arena. Is there a point to it?
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: ackblom12 on 14 Dec 2009, 07:42
Not really, unless this add on drastically changes what you can do in arenas they are pretty meh.

I, on the other hand, thought the Zombie Island was fantastic. I'll probably pass up on this one and see what else they have in the works.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 14 Dec 2009, 11:35
The arenas that are already in the game lock you up in a pit and send a lot of Skags or Bandits after you. The multiplayer arenas, however, require you to be in co-op before you can fight someone else. I haven't done that myself, I don't really see the point. If you ever want to fight someone you can do it on the spot. I hope they improve that with this DLC, so that players will be able to join a fight having nothing to do with joining a co-op game. No wait, that would require servers, and that would cost money, so that's probably not going to happen.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 14 Dec 2009, 12:45
So wait, the arenas that are scattered through the world that the game has special map markers and huge signs and stuff for are there so you can fight the people in your co-op team? You can fight them anywhere! There has to be something more to it. Tell me there is something more to it.

Maybe you can get exp or money from the actual arenas? Come on!


Btw, the game really ramps the difficulty up after you get to Old Haven. The crimson lance are the first npc's I can't one-shot.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 18 Dec 2009, 06:43
Beat the game. Going to do a second run-through soon. The only weapons I found that were any better than what I had were alien weapons and lose their charge after like 4 shots. BOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 18 Dec 2009, 14:29
A tip if you're on playthrough 2.5: Some of the respawned bosses occasionally drop improved versions of quest rewards. Rakkinshu may drop a level 48 Sentinel, for example. The other boss-exclusive weapons are worth getting too; I got an incendiary Boom Stick from Baron Flynt, and it explodes everything on fire. Better than any rocket launcher I ever had.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 18 Dec 2009, 17:41
I had a lvl 22 Maliwan Hellfire SMG that was pretty much the best weapon Ive gotten until late in the 2nd playthrough (being replaced with a higher level hellfire)

*edit*

Just got a dark orange Maliwan Crux that does 7x122 dmg, ~74% accuracy and 1.9% fire rate. This thing=the game on easy
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Jace on 22 Dec 2009, 04:19
I went through the thread and added a few of you guys on steam.
Steam: r3an1m4t3d
Gamespy: PantsFu

I'd love to play with people, single player is sort of boring as a Siren, and I'm level 19 in the mines to kill Sledge. I have trouble taking out 3-4 bandits alone right now because I've got shit weapons.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Felrender on 22 Dec 2009, 15:20
I may be buying this post-Christmas.
Live: Felrender
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Jace on 23 Dec 2009, 06:28
Holy shit I bought a revolver that has only 2 shots to magazine, but it does like 130 damage each shot with 3x corrosive. reload time is super fast too and there is nearly no recoil. Game just got easy.
Also found a shotgun that shot rockets but it was pretty shit compared to my sniper rifle that shoots lightning and my smg that shoots fire.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 23 Dec 2009, 08:49
Wait until you get alien weaponry. Some of it shoots lightning and craps thunder.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Chesire Cat on 23 Dec 2009, 17:09
I havent seen an Alien weapon that could top any probably 6 guns I have in my inventory.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: glyphic on 24 Dec 2009, 09:31
I found one that does 128X8 damage and has extremely high electric chance.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: LTK on 24 Dec 2009, 11:39
That would be the Thunder, right? I remember that type of weapon having zero accuracy. Nope, Eridian weapons suck without exception.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Jace on 25 Dec 2009, 07:20
I'm now 2-3 levels above most of the missions I am getting. I guess this is what happens when you do all of the missions offered to you before you move on. There's not much of a difficulty right now. I'm at the point where I kill One-Eye Jack.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Aurjay on 26 Jan 2010, 07:22
i just got this game on the 360 and idk i just cant seem to get into it. The cell shading looks great sometimes but other times annoys me. the mob AI is seriously lacking as i can kite most enemies even if 3-4 levels higher than me. I haven't done mulitplayer yet so maybe im missing out on something.
Title: Re: Borderlands
Post by: Blue Kitty on 09 Apr 2014, 15:53