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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: The extra letter on 26 Oct 2009, 13:29
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Does anyone else have that game that for some reason, they never get around to beating it even though they play it so very often?
It could be that it's too hard, or you just get sidetracked before the end. Or, I dunno, make something up.
Me, I'm about to finish Baldur's Gate for the first time since I got it 8 years ago. I'd always get sidetracked or fed up with particular battles. A few months ago, I finished Alex Kidd in Miracle world for the first time since 1992.
So I guess what I'm getting at is post your own experiences with things like that. Yeah.
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Yeah that happened to me with No More Heroes. The game was pretty good except for the GTA-like parts and there was a really huge amount of that before I even got to the final boss, so I just said fuck it.
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Fucking Link's Awakening.
Fucking!
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Up until sometime last year I never made it past the horadric staff portion of Diablo II, in Act Two. I eventually got an assassin to Act Three but I ended up investing a point in a shitty skill. That tends to dampen my enthusiasm because things get slightly harder and I get slightly less powerful. Plus you just eventually lose interest.
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The only game I was ever unable to beat, and after 10 years still am, is Pandemonium 2. That god damn giant robot that plays a game of Breakout with you as the paddle, and him as the brick, and when you let five balls pass your vehicle breaks and you crash and burn to your exploding rocket death. His name is Mr. Schneobelen. I could never beat him when I was eight, and when I last replayed the game, I got through the whole game and still got fucked by that robot.
Fuck that guy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-doH7iOumno)
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Never finished Final Fantasy 8.
never even got close.
reason: that game fucking blows so i quit
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The Wind Waker
I always got to the part where you gotta gather triforce shards then quit. I did however cheat my way past that part and beat the game.
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It probably doesn't help much that Act 2 has some of the more frustrating ways to die snuck in there as well, at least for neophytes. For example, if I remember correctly those vultures had a jacked up attack speed and could keep you stuck in the flinch animation pretty easily if they got off a good string of attacks. Real dangerous if you're trying to separate them from a named mob when it happens. And of course there's Duriel, who is renowned for his caster gibbing capabilities.
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I am finishing GoldenEye now for the first time ever. It is not helping me to study.
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ooh just thought of another good one from the PS2 days:
Dark Cloud 2
holy shit there is alot of stuff to do in that game. i did it all. by the time it was time to actually beat the game, i couldn't even handle it anymore so i said ENOUGH
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It used to be the final fantasy games for me. The first one I ever got around to beating was 7. Then I went back through and beat all the rest.
Except X-2. Man, fuck that game.
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It probably doesn't help much that Act 2 has some of the more frustrating ways to die snuck in there as well, at least for neophytes. For example, if I remember correctly those vultures had a jacked up attack speed and could keep you stuck in the flinch animation pretty easily if they got off a good string of attacks. Real dangerous if you're trying to separate them from a named mob when it happens. And of course there's Duriel, who is renowned for his caster gibbing capabilities.
Hell, even if you weren't a caster, you were fucked on Duriel if you had no way to resist the slow effect.
Related, but I finally got to, and defeated, Baal about 3 months ago.
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FFVIII, but not because I did not like it (I really enjoyed it) but because I put off beating it to do all the little side-questy things.
That's actually a problem I had with all of the Final Fantasy games. It took me forever to finish X because I didn't want to end it, and VII took me a long while too. Also I never finished XII, but that's because it sucked.
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My ADHD testing.
No, seriously.
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I enjoyed the ADHD game. The one with the flashing letters/numbers/whatever? I scored the lowest possible score for my impulsivity (meaning I'm really, really impulsive) and just two or three points below the highest score for whatever that word was that meant you could do it for a long time (meaning I could do it for a long time). I don't know why I'm bragging about that, I guess I don't have that much to brag about?
Oh, also Ocarina of Time, but that's because my sister and I used a gameshark that basically finished the game for us and it caused one section of the game to be impassible.
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I've never beaten Ocarina of Time. I feel like an idiot after I spend about two hours in there trying to figure out how to get to the room with Shadow Link. There's just this one key that I cannot find. I haven't even been able to beat it WITH a guide.
I'll be trying again soon, my girlfriend got me an N64 last Christmas along with Zelda and Starfox. She's awesome.
This generation I haven't been able to beat Disgaea 3, it's an incredibly deep grid based strategy JRPG and it's tons of fun and the story is pretty fun to follow. I got pretty close to beating it (I think) but I swapped out my HD and then upgraded to a PS3 slim so I lost all my saves. I'll be really happy when I beat Demon's Souls...which might happen....someday.
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Dragon Quest 3 for the GBA. I finally picked it up a few years later and beat the crap out of the final final boss.
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I've never beaten Ocarina of Time. I feel like an idiot after I spend about two hours in there trying to figure out how to get to the room with Shadow Link. There's just this one key that I cannot find. I haven't even been able to beat it WITH a guide.
Exactly what happened with me! We've been through walkthroughs and still no victory. ]:
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Battletoads for SNES, but fuck that game anyway.
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I've had N-Game sitting on my desktop for the past 2 years laughing at me with every episode except 88 finished because bloody 88-4 is a monster that chews me alive. I've never even seen episode 89 because I refuse to cheat.
Also Advance Wars 2 for GBA. I think I got to the second-to-last level? But I got to where you had to blast through a pipe that was in direct line of fire of a large cannon and I just couldn't do it while getting pounded by the multiple units the enemy was pumping out every turn.
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Prince of Persia 2.
Fuck that shit
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StarCraft. Warcraft. I suck at RTS brought out by Blizzard.
And then I cheat to get at the story lines. And then I'm done.
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Starcraft Brood War. That last level is fucking ridiculous.
FFX. Because it sucks balls.
Fallout 3 because it bored the pants off me.
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Mad World. It got monotonous.
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I have really always wanted to finish Sam & Max Hit the Road but something always takes my attention away from it.
Not quite the same thing, but I never properly completed Monkey Island 2, either. Needed a guide for that final puzzle with the elevator and the tissue and blergh. I feel the shame of this may haunt me forever. :(
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Fallout 3 because it bored the pants off me.
Me, too. I stopped playing because I had to go do something, and then I just had absolutely no desire to ever play it again.
Incidentally, it took me forever to finish Fallout 2, because I somehow lost my save games very close to the end (I think I had found all the stuff to make the boat go, and I was just finishing up a few things) and I didn't want to put in all of the work again. I ended up doing so and it was totally worth it.
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Battletoads for SNES, but fuck that game anyway.
didn't that game have a part in it that was almost completely impossible to beat?
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I'm going through a shit load of trouble right now to be able to play baldur's gate 2 on my mac. I finished the game, but I never finished throne of bhaal. So yeah. That needs to happen some time.
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Weirdly I realised a couple days ago I never completed either of the Baldur's Gate games, so I've re-installed them and playing through again... seems to be a common theme.
Aside from that nothing really springs to mind. There are some games I started - Fallout 3 springs to mind - but just couldn't maintain interest long enough to see through. I don't really class it as not finishing since I didn't even really get started. I didn't finish Gears of War but that's because the first time I played it, I played it co-op and we cleared about 50, maybe 75% of the content before we gave it a rest. Never been able to really fire it up single player.
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I see there's a lot of "I didn't finish X because I didn't want to" and not much of "I didn't finish game X because it was impossible". Maybe games are too easy these days.
Anyway, to jump on the bandwagon of "it was boring and dumb": Red Faction: Guerrilla.
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I still haven't finished all the expansions for Fallout 3, but I don't really feel like doing it either. Also, Final Fantasy IX, loved it to bits but got to a point at which I simply couldn't finish and didn't bother to grind. It also got a lot less interesting when you got into the fourth disc, the beginning 3 had an epic storyline, but then everything got way too big and I lost interest. Compare to a friend who has gotten to 10k in the Vivi skipping game in the beginning of the game. Holy fucking shit.
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Prince of Persia 2.
Fuck that shit
Prince of Persia 2.
Fuck that shit
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Fallout 3 because it bored the pants off me.
Me, too. I stopped playing because I had to go do something, and then I just had absolutely no desire to ever play it again.
Same here. I think the game loses its appeal after the first couple of hours.
As for other games, I usually never finish games I buy. When I sense that I'm at the end, I just lose interest and stop playing for about a year and thenI come back to it and finish the game. (Eg.: Metroid Prime 3. I bought the game when it came out. I played until I was on that Phazon planet at the end. I saved. And didn't touch it for about a year. I playd again from where I last saved and finished it.)
My list of non-finished games includes Banjo-Kazooie on 360, GTA IV, Fallout 3, Rainbow Six Vegas, Trauma Center: New Blood, Never finished the Tour in Rock Band 2.
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I always finish games. You guys are pussies.
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Or maybe we just have lives against which beating every video game we play pales?
Nah, it's probably the pussy one :-P
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Battletoads for SNES, but fuck that game anyway.
didn't that game have a part in it that was almost completely impossible to beat?
The fucking hoverbike level.
I'd be cruising, have like 10 lives, all my continues, get to the hoverbikes, and IF I had the sequence memorized, and my reflexes were PERFECT, and I didn't get fucked by enemies, I MIGHT have like, 1 life and half health for the next level.
Fucker.
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The worst part is that it wasn't even the hardest level.
Fucking put snakes.
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Dragon Quest 3 for the GBA. I finally picked it up a few years later and beat the crap out of the final final boss.
I used to play that game during my night hours at a gas station job. Good Times. I never finished either.
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Warlords Battlecry (I actually forget which one it was either 1 or 2) In any case I chose the "evil" side and was dominated everything with my undead hordes...
...then one level INSANE difficulty. I don't know how ANYONE would be able to beat that thing.
Starcraft custom Levels the Black Dream. Hard.
FF7. I just could never finish the thing.
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I can list the games I have finished easier than the ones I haven't.
I have a problem about finishing games.
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Games that I have finished recently:
System Shock 2
BioShock
I beat Dawn of War, Winter Assault and Dark Crusade.
Spellforce 1.
Marvel Superheroes on the Sega Saturn.
Sword of the Berserk on the Dreamcast
Games that it looks like I will NEVER finish:
FF7, FF10, Dragon Quest 8 (Shit pretty much EVERY Japanese RPG on the PS and PS2.)
God Hand
God of War
Oblivion, Morrowind, Daggerfall
Fallout 3
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Man I beat Oblivion twice (side quests included) and I still feel the itch to play again occasionally.
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seriously
and I play it on 360, to boot.
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Yeh, same. One of the downsides of being a Mac user - in terms of PC gaming, Blizzard owns my soul.
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Oh, I never finished Bioshock. It's not that I didn't like it, it's just that I find survival horror games to be a lot of work. Advancing slowly, trying to trigger the enemies one at a time and having to conserve ammo so much, it just becomes really draining, and for a while I didn't want to put that much work into playing a game, then I just kind of forgot about it. Maybe I should pick it up again since Bioshock 2 is coming out reasonably soon.
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Man I beat Oblivion twice (side quests included) and I still feel the itch to play again occasionally.
I've only beaten it once, but I've got 200 hours in one save, 120 in another and then a couple of friends' games that add up to another 40 hours or so.
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Yeah, I beat Bioshock fast, but definitely not due to treating it like a survival horror game. Mostly I clubbed the shit out of splicers until they died, eventually becoming a genetic freak optimized for maximum wrench swinging prowess.
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Oh oh I want to play.
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
FUCK THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoSZvwsJGb4) GUY!!!
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Oh, I never finished Bioshock. It's not that I didn't like it, it's just that I find survival horror games to be a lot of work. Advancing slowly, trying to trigger the enemies one at a time and having to conserve ammo so much, it just becomes really draining, and for a while I didn't want to put that much work into playing a game, then I just kind of forgot about it. Maybe I should pick it up again since Bioshock 2 is coming out reasonably soon.
I've got one word for you: Vita-Chambers.
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X-Com: UFO Defense. I have started this game so many damn times, and I LOVE it, but I've never gotten to Mars. :-(
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Super Star Wars. I don't know why but I just sucked at that game. I didn't even get very far.
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Games that it looks like I will NEVER finish:
God of War
Really? I enjoyed God of War a lot, even signing up for gamefly so I could get the second game and beat it in like a week. (3-4 hours of play after work every day)
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I've got one word for you: Vita-Chambers.
I'm not conserving life, I'm conserving ammo. Unless there's a vita-chamber later in the game for when you run out of ammo, it still ends up like I said. Hopefully when I have some time soon I'll be able to finish it up, because it was a very enjoyable game, though I'm making it sound like I didn't enjoy it.
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How did you even run out of ammo? You get tonnes once you are past the beginning section of Bioshock?
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It took me almost a year to beat FF VII when I first got it.
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Battletoads for SNES, but fuck that game anyway.
didn't that game have a part in it that was almost completely impossible to beat?
The fucking hoverbike level.
I'd be cruising, have like 10 lives, all my continues, get to the hoverbikes, and IF I had the sequence memorized, and my reflexes were PERFECT, and I didn't get fucked by enemies, I MIGHT have like, 1 life and half health for the next level.
Fucker.
Oh man, BattleToads/Double Dragon must have been scores easier than the original Battletoads...
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Games that it looks like I will NEVER finish:
God of War
Really really? I thought it was a pretty easy game in general. The only things that I got stuck on for any amount of time were certain battles involving a whole bunch of bad dudes and/or stuck in a confined space with bad dudes that seemed to keep coming forever. The puzzles were pretty obvious and the boss fights (ESPECIALLY the final boss fight) were almost embarrassingly easy.
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Oh, I never finished Bioshock. It's not that I didn't like it, it's just that I find survival horror games to be a lot of work.
Bioshock is not survival horror.
That's like saying Resident Evil 4 is survival horror.
They are atmospheric action games.
There is almost no need to conserve ammo and plenty of way to wipe out enemies without wasting any kind of resource.
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Really? I enjoyed God of War a lot, even signing up for gamefly so I could get the second game and beat it in like a week. (3-4 hours of play after work every day)
I know right! This should be one of the best games to pick up and play for a bit and I SHOULD have beat it a long time ago. Why can't I just pick up this game and play???
WHY!?!?
Shit. Screw this. I am going to finish GoW. Dammit.
Right after I finish Call of Cthulhu.
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The first part there was need to conserve ammo (and mana), trigger the enemies slowly and always keep your back to a wall. I say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then it's a duck. Now, it might not have been a duck after the first bit, in which case I'll finish that up at some point when I have time.
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Well that's your opinion. I just don't see it.
Now System Shock 2. Now THAT game could be considered a survival horror game depending on what abilities you take and the difficulty level. (until later in the game when you find/purchase a ton of ammo)
Maybe it's just the way I played Bioshock. I never had the "oh shit oh shit oh shit I need to find an ammo clip/health pack please before I run into something else" or "I better not use up my bullets right now because there might be something worse in the next room".
Have you ever played the original Resident Evil games or the Remake of RE1?
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RE4 and 5 are survival horror like MGS4 was a stealth game.
Where this analogy falls apart is that RE4/ parts of RE5 were fun.
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It probably doesn't help much that Act 2 has some of the more frustrating ways to die snuck in there as well, at least for neophytes. For example, if I remember correctly those vultures had a jacked up attack speed and could keep you stuck in the flinch animation pretty easily if they got off a good string of attacks. Real dangerous if you're trying to separate them from a named mob when it happens. And of course there's Duriel, who is renowned for his caster gibbing capabilities.
Hell, even if you weren't a caster, you were fucked on Duriel if you had no way to resist the slow effect.
Related, but I finally got to, and defeated, Baal about 3 months ago.
The trick, I've found, is using countless town portal scrolls. Have one hotkeyed. The second you enter his lair, cast it, then switch to whatever and wail away on him for a few second with all you've got, staying close to the portal. After sustaining a couple hits, duck into the portal and heal up. It takes ages but I managed it w/o dying for the first time not too long ago using this strategy. Plus, if you do die, you get resurrected with a portal already in the lair which is incredibly helpful considering what a pain in the ass it is to even get there.
As for the topic at hand, I have never beaten any of the Grand Theft Auto games, any of the Elder Scrolls games, or Neverwinter Nights. I have managed to beat Link's Awakening, which made me feel rather accomplished I must say.
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I've never beaten the GTA games up until GTA 4. There was always one mission I could never do/hated and I just liked dicking around and improving relationships.
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Ocarina of time.
I had to use a guide for the water temple; at one point it said "if you don't know what to do here, you should go bang your head against the wall and scream I AM AN IDIOT I AM AN IDIOT" and stop playing the game. I stopped playing the game.
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That's silly, because it's probably the hardest dungeon in the game
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The trick, I've found, is using countless town portal scrolls.
Heh, yeah, that's basically the last resort maneuver for everything in Diablo 2. Still, many a new player has gone in there not knowing what to expect and ending up being ambushed by just how damn much he hurts. If in your ignorance you had a Sorceress with virtually no stam and a staff instead of a shield, he was completely capable of reaming you before the screen faded in on the zone in transition.
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I have managed to beat Link's Awakening, which made me feel rather accomplished I must say.
I was nearly done with the 7th dungeon when my game file got corrupted. I just didn't want to put in all the hours again.
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Yeah quitting after a shitty save or unexpected death that result in paying stuff I just did over again always makes me stop for wa while, sometimes I never get back again.
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I just bought the first Oddworld games; Abe's oddysee Abe's Exoddus. It has save points, and the placement of some is absolutely killing me. After a really hard jumping/running puzzle, you still have to go through some medicore stuff before you get to save again. If you do brilliant at the hard stuff and then die before you get to save.... GAH!
Gotta finish it though, great games.
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Yeah quitting after a shitty save or unexpected death that result in paying stuff I just did over again always makes me stop for wa while, sometimes I never get back again.
This is actually part of why I never bothered to beat Final Fantasy 8, even though a death actually wasn't involved. I was already kind of sick of the game and seriously contemplating doing something else. It didn't help that I was 16 and just gotten my license and could afford to buy my own games thanks to a part time job. FF8 was up against girls, Starcraft, Thief, Ocarina of Time, Baldur's Gate, and Fallout 2. Then one stormy night, I sat through a long ass cut scene and power went out for a split second, resetting the game. Never played the fucker again.
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It's cool, VIII is the worst Final Fantasy game, objectively.
You know it's true because it's in italics.
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Yeah, people who like Final Fantasy 8 have some sort of mental defect because that game's terrible. The best thing about it was the card game, too bad they haven't transplanted that into a better game yet.
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yes, the card game was that game's one saving grace...but it still couldn't save it.
IX had a really good card game too.
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Final Fantasy VIII is my favorite Final Fantasy game.
That is all.
(On topic: Stars Wars Force Unleashed, Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil 4, Dragon Quest VIII, Star Ocean Till The End of Time)
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Twilight Princess? Really? It's incredibly easy.
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It's not about difficulty at all. It's about just not getting around to it.
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Haven't gotten round to beating Portal Prelude, though that's a combination of difficulty and not getting round to it.
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I remember finding an online multiplayer Triple Triad app and played it so much when I was 16 or 17. I would play it and get really good and start to think "hey, maybe FF8 is a pretty good game" and then I would go play FF8 for an hour, then just go back and play Triple Triad again, knowing that I was wrong.
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Actually that reminds me, I've never beaten Portal because I always play it on a friend's computer (I don't have a PC) and I always get to the last level in one sitting and then just give up and not bother coming back to it afterwards. I've done this twice.
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Well crap. My plan to finish GoW went south. I found a bunch of Xbox games on clearance for like $2.50 each at FYE and now I have even more games. *sigh*.
Maybe I should just concentrate on finishing Call of Cthulhu.
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Actually that reminds me, I've never beaten Portal because I always play it on a friend's computer (I don't have a PC) and I always get to the last level in one sitting and then just give up and not bother coming back to it afterwards. I've done this twice.
Is that the last challenge in the facility? The one after which you're offered cake?
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I don't think I've finished an fps in a long time. Bioshock was just too tedious to bother fighting my way through. Halflife 2 I just stopped playing one day and then never got around to starting to play again.
Oh and I've never fully finished Diablo 2, though I'm not sure that's a reasonable goal single player. I think act 2 hell difficulty is as far as I've managed. I could have gone further but it gets to a point where it's 80% agro control, 15% trying to keep alive and 5% killing things that it gets to be incredibly heavy going.
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Maybe I should just concentrate on finishing Call of Cthulhu.
is that any good? I'm a huge Lovecraft fan but that game looked sort of mediocre and i never got around to checking it out.
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I really enjoyed Call of Cthulhu. I felt like they got the feel down about as perfect as possible. The only other game I can think of that did it this well, but in an entirely different manner was "Sherlock Holmes: The Awakening".
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Uh, may I remind you of a little game called "Eternal Fucking Darkness"?
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Maybe I should just concentrate on finishing Call of Cthulhu.
is that any good? I'm a huge Lovecraft fan but that game looked sort of mediocre and i never got around to checking it out.
It's really hard, but it's fun. You have to look at it as an adventure game first and a shooter second. If you can run from enemies, do.
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Uh, may I remind you of a little game called "Eternal Fucking Darkness"?
Fucking hell, yes, what he said.
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I... I have a confession to make. I still have not beaten Final Fantasy 7. My game is saved right before that last battle, but I can't seem to beat Sephiroth. I even went through all the trouble of getting the "Knights of the Round" materia. Still no dice.
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Oh and I've never fully finished Diablo 2, though I'm not sure that's a reasonable goal single player. I think act 2 hell difficulty is as far as I've managed. I could have gone further but it gets to a point where it's 80% agro control, 15% trying to keep alive and 5% killing things that it gets to be incredibly heavy going.
I have gotten like halfway through act 3 before quitting a coupple of times. I think I've only been in Hell once.
i remembered another one - I've played Might and Magic 6-8, but never finished any of them, mostly due to it taking so god damned long. They are great, great, great games, though. You want interesting storyline and an open world RPG that gives exiting and challenging gameplay and new game experiences all through the game? This is the shit.
I especially love how the levelling system works - it's so slow that when you actually get a new level and can get one rank up in a skill and then get to where you need to train it and train it, it feels like a great accomplishment. Loved it every time my mages could use new spells, even more than in Baldur's Gate. I don't know why, it's probably the different gameplay each of them brought - think of water walk and fly, two spells that radically alters how you play the game.
Now I want to play them again. The sad thing is that I know I'll just end up sitting in taverns, playing that card game, since it's fucking magnificent.
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Actually that reminds me, I've never beaten Portal because I always play it on a friend's computer (I don't have a PC) and I always get to the last level in one sitting and then just give up and not bother coming back to it afterwards. I've done this twice.
Is that the last challenge in the facility? The one after which you're offered cake?
Level 19, basically after they try to dump you in the flaming death pit and you go rogue
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that's the best part of the entire fucking game!
what is wrong with you?!
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I... I have a confession to make. I still have not beaten Final Fantasy 7. My game is saved right before that last battle, but I can't seem to beat Sephiroth. I even went through all the trouble of getting the "Knights of the Round" materia. Still no dice.
How is that even possible? I don't remember the battle that well, but Knights of the Round can one-shot any non-weapon enemy in the game. Did Sephiroth have one of those game moments where once he's reduced to X damage he changes forms but his health is restored?
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Yeah, I've seen Sephiroth get one-hit KO'd by the knights.
Unless that was the final boss of XIII, and the super-summon there. I never remember.
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Yeah, people who like Final Fantasy 8 have some sort of mental defect because that game's terrible. The best thing about it was the card game, too bad they haven't transplanted that into a better game yet.
I have to say I liked the weapon upgrading system and the magic system. Everything else is terrible though.
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Maybe I should just concentrate on finishing Call of Cthulhu.
is that any good? I'm a huge Lovecraft fan but that game looked sort of mediocre and i never got around to checking it out.
I am a ways into the game and I REALLY liked the first bits. There is a great scene before you get any weapons and there is a really cool segment. Lets just say there is lots of running involved.
There is a truck ride segment that was truly HARD and unfun in every way.
When I got further into the game combat is pretty bad but unlike other reviews I have read it wasn't too horrible.
Like I would read in reviews how one section is completely impossible unless you did THIS and THIS but I would just be able to play it by ear and get stuff done. I never felt the need to run away/ sneak past every single enemy.
(Please note I only read the walkthrough about a section AFTER I finished that section. This is because I was so worried I missed a weapon or something. You play so long without any weapons I figured I might have missed something. My phobia about missing stuff stems from my first playthrough of Silent Hill 2 where I went through the ENTIRE GAME without finding the shotgun. Somehow I missed it. Since then I have always been paranoid about missing stuff in games. which actually made Call of C more scary for me)
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See, I never really had any problem with any combat in Call of Cthulhu, it felt like it was pretty polished for a game trying to make sure you were just a normal everyday scrub, and lik you I couldn't find any part of the game that I really that was overly hard or terible. Even the truck bit I got first time no problem.
It's just so good at making you feel as helpless as possible whlile not making it too hard that you don't want to continue trying to help your character get out alive despite the futility of the situation. Basically, it's just a fantastic Cathulhu game.
Also FF8 had not a single thing that was worth a shit outside of that fantastic card game. God I loved that card game so much.
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I so want to play FF8 after reading this thread. Also Call of Cthulu was on my radar for playing (just got Arkham Asylum to see if I could handle its specs) but CoC is my next choice if I decide to game hard before I can afford Torchlight. Though I am doing a casual playthrough of Bioshock, but I have this major difficulty of doing any single thing on my computer that doesnt involve hefty amounts of FBing in the middle of.
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I so want to play FF8 after reading this thread.
Don't do it man. It's not even worth playing "ironically".
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I... I have a confession to make. I still have not beaten Final Fantasy 7. My game is saved right before that last battle, but I can't seem to beat Sephiroth. I even went through all the trouble of getting the "Knights of the Round" materia. Still no dice.
Me too! o/
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Knights of the Round or Omnislash on Bizarro Sephiroth kills him after one use. Then, if you're very, very lucky, you can hit Angel Sephiroth with KOTR before he casts wall. If not, just use all your best summons/limits/whatever. It is not complicated at all. I did it many times at the age of ten.
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Know what else I realized? Final Fantasy VII really was not that good of a game!
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I get all teary eyed when playing FFVII (except the backstory portion of that game tower in the desert, which I get bleary eyed out of boredom)
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The Golden Saucer? GAWD I hate that.
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Yeah the Golden Saucer, after getting 90% through the story and not saving when I had the chance the power died or I had to shut it off or something the first time through. Wasted like an hour of not playing a game. Also, Barret is one of the lames character in anything.
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If not for FFVII, RPGs would not be nearly as popular as they are these days in the states. While the game is quite overrated, everyone who likes RPGs should recognize that.
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I recognize it, I just don't appreciate it.
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I mean, God of War and RE4 were instrumental in popularizing Quick Time Events, but that just makes me want to beat game designers to death.
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Man, it's one thing to recognize what something did for present-day stuff. It's another thing entirely to worship it. FFVII helped pave the way for modern day RPG's. Doesn't mean that it's still the golden standard.
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FFVII has one major thing going for it, and that is that it wasn't FFVIII
Otherwise yeah, it was a pretty okay RPG but not much else.
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I can't help but think that FFVII was merely a product of Square finally having the hardware to stretch out a bit, for good or ill, with drawn out sequences like the Golden Saucer representing one of the missteps. Besides, after Chrono Trigger and FFVI I already knew that Square were uncommonly ambitious storytellers compared to other console developers, so the impact was rather blunted.
Beyond that, I tend to get bored when the Big Bad of a game starts babbling about life streams and all that other bizarro bullshit that gets trotted out in JRPGs these days. When it comes right down to it, how the bad guy wants to end the world doesn't really matter, and spending time on why he wants do so is only really a good move if it's remotely comprehensible or can be related to or at least understood on some level. In a way, I preferred Kefka and Lavos; they were fairly shallow characters with barely any screen time, but at least that meant that time could be spent on the characters I gave a damn about instead.
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Kefka was a delightful villain.
There are so few video game villains who can say they won. Dude became a fucking god and destroyed the world, ruling what remained with an iron fist and a beam of unstoppable destruction. I love that dude.
Yeah, honestly, FFVII is super important and not that great. To be perfectly honest, Square's made a few great games and generally been mediocre otherwise. Oh well.
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I also like how the explanation for his insanity was barely more fleshed out than "A wizard (okay, magitek) did it."
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But he was still way more entertaining than pretty much... any other villain in the series.
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Sepiroth: "I am crazy because clones"
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I was honestly being quite literal with my last post. Sometimes a villain can benefit from being satanically evil for no discernible reason. I have never really cared about Kefka and I have never really considered him a favorite video game villain, but I actually do think he got the job done and I can readily agree that he's easily one of the more memorable Square villains. Besides, depth only counts if you do it well. After all, it's rather tawdry when a game hand waves genocide away by saying the villain didn't get enough cuddle time as a small child. Unless you're damn sure you can make the villain genuinely sympathetic somehow, you're probably better off just leaving their motives largely up to the imagination and concentrating on making the character entertaining or scary as hell. To get us back on FFVII in particular, my interest in Sephiroth was inversely proportional to how much I knew about him. Granted, he didn't have any cheap pop psychology excuses for his actions built into his character, but the game centered around him enough that it became a real issue for me when it turned out that he didn't have much depth going for him AND that he was as dull as dishwater. Meanwhile, Kefka was a cog in a story with a much, much larger cast, so in the long run FFVI could afford having a stark raving mad man as a villain. He was at least entertaining and the protagonists had all your backstory needs covered just fine on their own.
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FFVII helped pave the way for modern day RPG's.
I hate to break it to you, but JRPGs are pretty much exactly the same as they were back then
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FFVI is, in contrast to FFVII, still one of my favorite video games. Started replaying it recently, and I still love it. The characters are believable and well rounded out. I liked them well enough to name my fish after them, even (Locke and Edgar). The villain was easy to hate, which made the game that much more fun-- I wanted to complete the game because I wanted that bastard Kefka dead! I honestly don't know how, but I think the series mainly went downhill after that. In short,
Many other games > FFVII
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The nice thing about FFVI is that many of the characters were pretty well-developed, at least by video gaming's rather melodramatic standards, and there were enough of them in there that you were bound to find one or two characters you liked. FFVII, on the other hand, had a smaller cast which meant that Square had a lot of their eggs in one basket; I was one of the guys who didn't really use Aeris very much, which rather blunted the impact of what was intended to be the game's emotional centerpiece. Plus, I just plain didn't give a rat's ass about Cait Sith, Vincent, Barret or Yuffie, which means that I wasn't interested in half the cast after you factor in that Aeris spends half the game as a corpse. Good thing you only really needed 3 people, I guess.
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OMG SPOILERZ
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FFVI is, in contrast to FFVII, still one of my favorite video games. Started replaying it recently, and I still love it. The characters are believable and well rounded out. I liked them well enough to name my fish after them, even (Locke and Edgar). The villain was easy to hate, which made the game that much more fun-- I wanted to complete the game because I wanted that bastard Kefka dead! I honestly don't know how, but I think the series mainly went downhill after that. In short,
Many other games > FFVII
Goshdang you are like my favorite person who is not in Meebo enough.
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Aw shucks. Guess I'll try to be on Meebo more often, then.
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I don't know what it is, but I cannot get emotionally involved in any Final Fantasy pre VII and I think it is simply because of timing.
I am a fast reader and I have a tendency, when words come on a screen, to read them quickly and then move on to the next set of words. The problem with that is that drama, a key element in any of the Final Fantasy games (okay, fine, melodrama) is very sensitive to timing. By simply reading the words, it disrupts the timing, the drama and ultimately the impact of any of the events in the game. Now, FFVII through IX didn't have voice acting, which is probably the best way to get the intended timing of a line across, but they did force some phrases to stay longer on the screen, some phrases to take longer to appear and for there to be large gaps of silence to heighten tension, something previous FFs didn't (couldn't? maybe) do.
I'm not saying that this makes them inferior games, but it's impossible for me to care about their stories because I can't get a sense of the drama of any particular moment. X, X-2 and XII didn't have spectacular stories, but I was able to be more engaged with those games because the voice acting allowed there to be some sense of timing to the lines that increased the moment.
So, yeah. I understand that it is pretty much my own damn fault but there you go.
On topic: I am replaying the Xenosaga series for PS2 because I got through 1 and 2 and almost finished 3 but then didn't and completely forgot what the fuck was going on in those games.
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^ seconding all that stuff you said!
Until now, I have been unable to articulate why I feel the way I do (see: pretty much the same way as you) about the FF series in it's entirety.
ADDENDUM:
Now, don't get me wrong, I loved the SNES FF games (however you want to label them, numerically, which can be quite confusing) but that's because I like killing stuff and getting XP and loot and all that stuff. I didn't give a shit about the characters because they were all tiny little pixelated messes that looked like something I vomited up during a fever. They weren't people.
FF7 made them into people, for me; it made me care a little bit more (but not much). Yeah, I didn't really care about Aeris either, though I was a little shocked when she died.
FFIX, on the other hand, had me weeping with joy when Zidane and Dagger were reunited at the end. FFX was similar except they were sad tears, not happy tears.*
*NOTE: Not actual tears. I do not cry. Ever. Because I am an emotionless lumberjack. Any semblence of emotion is simply a device to make me seem more real to you.
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Cloud's li'l pixelated Popeye arms are hardly any better.
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FF7 made them into people, for me; it made me care a little bit more (but not much). Yeah, I didn't really care about Aeris either, though I was a little shocked when she died.
This, only I was at an age when this game rocked my life and will forever bear memories for me.
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ogre battle. every time i started it, i got so tied up trying to get the 'best' ending. finally said screw it. hero in a group with best support and mow them down. still managed to finish with max rep, but zero aligment.