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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: Caleb on 12 Nov 2009, 15:16
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I am having mixed feelings about this.
The preview I remember seeing in the theater seemed much better.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=100571743
Any thoughts?
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looks...surprisingly good.
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Yeah, I'll probably watch it.
Anybody know what it's rated? It seems like it might be one of those movies where the trailer kind of sucks but it ends up being suprisingly awesome because all the good stuff is not safe for tv (ala Superbad).
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It's R, I hear pretty strongly too.
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It has potential. Could go either way.
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I actually kind of liked Wanted, seeing as how my expectations were zero, so I might like this.
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Wanted was a stupid movie... but I love ridiculous action, so I loved the movie.
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Hmmmm
Hasn't something like this tried once or twice before?
Still, looks interesting. Might be worth a peek when it gets down here.
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I didn't mind Wanted. It was predictable as hell, but as mindless crowd pleasers go it wasn't so bad.
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The comic is/was pretty good. Nicolas Cage is Big Daddy though.
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Wanted is a bit of a sore spot for me since I loved the graphic novel and the movie went in a completely different direction.
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So far this thing is throwing up warning signals at me. I really want this to be funny but the whole awkward protagonist thing is starting to get really old to me. I want to see a longer trailer to see what the quality of humor is, cause in that trailer it's really weak.
Wanted was a really bland and boring action film, they took an awesome concept and graphic novel and went absolutely nowhere with it.
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Having never read the graphic novel (and being the easy-to-please person that I am), I loved Wanted. I don't know a single person who doesn't hate it maliciously, but I really like it for some reason.
I'm even thinking about getting it on Blu-Ray when I'm not so broke.
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Then again, I also love Ultraviolet and Equalibrium so maybe I just love stupid, highly stylized action movies.
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Do they just hand Mark Millar a large cheque every time he has so much as hints at a new comic by this point? Apparently they had an initial script for this one a month after the first issue came out.
I'll definitely watch this, hard to gauge from that trailer how good it'll be but from the few issues of the comic I read it looks quite faithful. Unlike Wanted (I think they wrote the script before the comic had gotten very far, so being faithful wasn't even possible), which was actually a relief for me since I thought that was one of the worst things I've ever read by Millar but they made an entertaining enough little film from it anyway.
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Yeah, I hate to say it, but the comic tries waaaaay too hard. The movie is just openly dedicated to basic male power fantasy: A dude with a painfully ordinary life becomes a bad ass who hangs out with Angelina Jolie all day. Not exactly the most creative film concept ever, but at least it portrays the theme vividly.
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The premise of Wanted the graphic novel was AWESOME.
All the super villains got together and killed all the superheroes. So now it's all just super villains running around in a world that doesn't even know they exist. One guy finds out that he is the son of a villain and has the unique ability to become the perfect killer. Amazing stuff happens.
The movie was pretty good and it was worth seeing in the theater but I don't think it was good enough to be confused with the graphic novel. They should have named it something different.
Now with Kick-Ass I never read the comics, so who knows. I remember the preview in the theaters was a lot more bloody and fun looking.
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Ultraviolet, Equilibrium, and Wanted.
I've seen all three and appreciated all three in their own way, each to its own degree.
Ultraviolet I approached as something more or less a Uwe Böll movie. I know it wasn't, but it came out at about the same time as Blood Rayne and I had as little expectations. The movie had almost nothing in the way of plot and the action, though decently choreographed, was unexciting. The action didn't even attempt to impress; it was whatshername being a little quicker and stronger than others. The final boss fight* was worse than boring. Nothing about the movie made me chortle with glee.
Equilibrium brought the awesomeness of Batman Christian Bale and, for a short time, Boromir Sean Bean, but it was 1981 with niftier guns. The plot was unoriginal. However, I quite enjoyed the action. That the guy's kids didn't rat him out was a nice double-twist (sorry for actually not spoiling it for you). In the end, the action was all the movie was worth, and at the end even that got dull. 1) Why was "father" a master of the new martial art? 2) Why did "father" allow him anywhere close? 3) Why the fuck did the alternately cross and uncross his arms as he walked out of the ... temple.? There was some fun action, but there was way too much, too belabored political bullshit.
Wanted put in a bit of backstory, a bit of "why", and then let the guy (a pansy, everyday, lackaday, fuckass) learn how to kick utter ass. Then he proceeded to kick all sorts of ass. That's the only reason why the movie worked. The plot was comic hackney (Yes, it deviated from the graphic novels, which is good, because the graphic novels sound like post-Moore *shit*), but it worked enough for the guy to kick ass, kick ass, kick more ass, then kick some more ass while continuing the minimal development needed in a movie full of ass-kick.
Frankly, I think Wanted is comparable to The Matrix. M had better plot and better action and was a better movie, but they're of a type. W just happens to stand at one end of the scale and M stands at the better end.
* the movie was as predictable as a JRPG, and the bad guy didn't even have the decency to be as bad as Kefka nor as pretty as Sephiroth.
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Big Daddy looks a whole lot like Midnighter.
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http://www.moviefill.com/New-Kick-Ass-Poster-Featuring-McLovin-As-Red-Mist-19637/
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Frankly, I think Wanted is comparable to The Matrix. M had better plot and better action and was a better movie, but they're of a type. W just happens to stand at one end of the scale and M stands at the better end.
The only reason I have to disagree with this is because the Matrix was the penultimate closer to "the 90s," hackers, cyberpunk, metal-rave culture, etc. Wanted didn't abuse a lot of great genres and ideas and then run them into the ground by making them synonymous with Wanted. Many great things will never rightly see day again because nobody will ever buy another Matrix movie.
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Because the Matrix represented them pretty well and Wanted was a terrible book and movie.
v :-( v
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I must see this (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid429035470?bctid=57103818001)
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I've got kevlar down my underoos, dickhead.
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This may be the only time I've ever approved of Nicholas Cage.
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I think he does best when he is in a part that allows him to ham it up without disrupting the movie. The attitude he has here reminds me of his performance as Castor Troy in Face/Off, but less womanizing, which is probably good since the only woman you see here is his pre-pubescent daughter.
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This may be the only time I've ever approved of Nicholas Cage.
Haven't seen the new Bad LT. than, or Adaptation, Leaving Las Vegas, Lord of War, Wild at Heart, or Vampire's Kiss for that matter?
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Or
RAISING ARIZONA?
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Naw his best movie was clearly The Wicker Man.
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I kinda liked the way I wanted to vomit throughout Bringing Out the Dead.
I still cant figure out if I'm being sarcastic about that movie yet.
In response to the actual movie, I think it looks fairly promising. The awkward protagonist seems to be enhanced with gratuitous violence, harsh language, and other things to rack it up to R. This makes me think of Hotrod.
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Naw his best movie was clearly The Wicker Man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOpsbAUEe90
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I'm pretty sure that there is a gif of that, but not slowed down, on the internet.
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I trust this site for reviews, I'd never normally say that, but:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/373878/kickass_screening_review.html (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/373878/kickass_screening_review.html)
There's quite a lot of other stuff linked from that page to.
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Oh my god this movie (http://io9.com/5431865/nic-cages-little-girl-drops-the-c+word-and-kicks-some-ass)
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i have a feeling nicholas cage and hit-girl will be by far the best parts of the movie and the actual stuff involving the dorky titular character will be totally lame in comparison.
and nick cage has been in a lot of good movies, you people are crazy.
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Nic Cage has been in a lot more terrible movies than good movies.
I think it will be amazing. There aren't too many huge names, meaning it's not aimed at the masses meaning it haopefully won't be dumbed down or cleaned up.
They have a little girl saying cunt. I really think it'll be ok.
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I'm of the impression that Nic Cage, in general, knows exactly when he's doing a terrible movie and has a serious love for it. Whether this is good or not is entirely up for debate.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I hate Nicholas Cage and wish he would die.
Despite that this film looks pretty good.
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My brain just ejaculated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo&feature=player_embedded)
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Khar, stop hating everything. It's just fucking annoying.
I'm sure this movie will be pretty awesome, I'm just not sure I'm its target audience I guess.
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He said the movie looks pretty good, so he doesn't hate "everything", and is it really odd at all to hate Nicolas Cage? Seems like a quite rational response to me.
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reasons not to hate nick cage:
raising arizona
vampire's kiss
wild at heart
leaving las vegas
face/off
city of angels
8mm
ADAPTATION
matchstick men
the weather man
knowing
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After seeing some of these small little trailers....not entirely sure if I'm going to dig this movie. It's still at the point for me where I can't even guess the quality of any of it. I want a full trailer before I make any kind of decision about seeing it.
As for Nick Cage, I love it when he acts, and I hate it when he's in an action film. Face/Off doesn't count because John Travolta (when he was that age) was a remarkable villain and totally stole every single scene away from Cage. Also, I think Bangkok Dangerous is the worst film I've ever seen with Cage.
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i can guess that every scene with hit-girl is going to be awesome enough to justify the entire rest of the film.
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leaving las vegas
Urgh, no. I don't mind taking a little poetic licence with reality, but a film about a man drinking himself to death where they handily decide to ignore any facts because they aren't pretty enough? Pissed me off more than a little. The bullshit romance that came off like a male fantasy was just the icing on the cake.
I'm alright with Nic Cage, when his shtick is used well he's fine and I can see that one thing he does working well in Kick Ass, just like it did in Raising Arizona and Wild At Heart. Most of the terrible Nic Cage performances aren't really his fault, he should never have been cast in those roles, he got massively overshadowed (like Con Air, where Steve Buscemi has a brilliant role and John Malkovich is being a fantastically entertaining villain) or the film just sucked anyway.
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reasons not to hate nick cage:
knowing
wait wait wait who the fuck let you in here yr gonna have to come with me
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I was going to say something similar. I actually did an out lous WHHHHAAAAA!
Oh Dear.
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reasons not to hate nick cage:
raising arizona
vampire's kiss
wild at heart
leaving las vegas
face/off
city of angels
8mm
ADAPTATION
matchstick men
the weather man
knowing
(http://daverattigan.typepad.com/the_grace_pages/images/anne_robinson_weakest_link.jpg)
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knowing was by no means a great film but it wasn't terrible and at least it had the balls to end on THE FUCKING EARTH GETTING DESTROYED
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(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/ddovey/hrmng.jpg)
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You know what's just like Know1ng?
Assassin's Creed 2
(spoiler alert)
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knowing was by no means a great film but it wasn't terrible and at least it had the balls to end on THE FUCKING EARTH GETTING DESTROYED
Technically it didn't, it ended after that, when the kids were running towards a big tree with bunnies and retarded bleeeaauuugh
(don't bother replying to this message I am so wasted fuuuuuck)
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reasons not to hate nick cage:
ADAPTATION
matchstick men
the weather man
Lord of War
And quite possibly
The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans
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Also Raising goddamn Arizona.
Otherwise, that list is acceptable.
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Wicker Man was a piece of crap. Sorry.
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God I'm using this thread to hate on Nick Cage some more because on Friday I saw a trailer for "the Sorcerer's Apprentice" when I went to see Sherlock Holmes with the fam. God dammit Cage, why?
apparently its based on the fantasia short. yeah. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZllR44gdA)
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Sunshine and Lollipops (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgFnBpppnQ&feature=related)
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Wicker Man was a piece of crap. Sorry.
yes it was. who said it wasn't? i said The WEATHER Man is a good film.
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Turns out Bangkok Dangerous is actually a remake.
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God I'm using this thread to hate on Nick Cage some more because on Friday I saw a trailer for "the Sorcerer's Apprentice" when I went to see Sherlock Holmes with the fam. God dammit Cage, why?
apparently its based on the fantasia short. yeah. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZllR44gdA)
honestly i see nothing wrong with that trailer, other than there being no reason at all to call it "the sorcerer's apprentice".
i was listening to a couple of my friends earlier today bitch about the sherlock holmes movie being action-packed, being "hollywood", not being "completely true to the source material", and what i said to them applies here too, i think. if you don't like dumb hollywood movies, DON'T WATCH THEM! seriously, do you know how many movies are out there? there's gotta be like THOUSANDS of the things! why even invest in a subset of films when the basic premise of them - cool shit thrown up on the screen for no real reason other than to be cool - is not something you're into?
(and i don't mean to be calling YOU specifically out here, i'm using "you" in the general sense.)
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I AM STILL OFFENDED
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Wicker Man was a piece of crap. Sorry.
yes it was. who said it wasn't? i said The WEATHER Man is a good film.
I saw one post about Wicker Man and misread Weather, chill. My mistake.
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New red-band trailer. (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/new-kick-ass-trailer-with-no-power-comes-no-responsibility#more-24037)
Includes the tagline "With no power comes no responsibility," Nic Cage acting like a weirdo, and an 11-year-old girl saying the word "cock."
I have no qualms saying this is now my most anticipated movie of 2010.
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I think that by saying your looking forward to seeing Nick Cage being weird with a girl involving cock means that the F.B.I will be round soon?
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Oh, we're already on good terms, they take me out to breakfast once every month and pump me.
For information.
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DNA information
i.e; semen
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hehe
gross
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Nick Cage is awesome.
Adapatation in particular.
I cannot wait for Kick-Ass.
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I believe Nick Cage has at times the capacity to be awesome(Weatherman,Adaptation,Raising Arizona,Lord of War), but he is not inherently awesome(Bangkok Dangerous,that upcoming Apprentice bullshit I'm assuming). Sometimes he is awesome unintentionally in the wrong way(Con Air, Not the BEES). But anyway I just saw that trailer and it made me believe again. After so many bad movies in a row he'll have another good one.
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Buh buh buh Bad Lieutenant?
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Shitty Nic Cage in a Good Movie
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Nick Cage isn't actually shitty, I don't think.
He just follows, too closely, the ethos "take what you can get", meaning he has been in a dozen great movies, a dozen okay movies, and a metric fuckton of shitty movies.
Kick-Ass looks to be either Awesome or So Bad It's Awesome.
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upcoming Apprentice bullshit I'm assuming).
It has Jay Baruchel in, he is my favourite Canadian. I will be going to go & see it in an actual cinema.
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The only thing on this thread that has interested me was the graphic novel of Wanted.
This, so far, has redeemed the thread.
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Thanks for posting!
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1) if you watch a film with nicolas cage in it and you don't love him/his character you're fundamentally a broken person and the only emotion anyone can truly feel for you is pity, and if you think he doesn't know exactly what he's doing in every single role you see him play then you know absolutely nothing about him and have only paid cursory attention to films he's in and are missing one of the single most entertaining actors of the last twenty years and that's your loss. also everyone's forgetting bring out the dead
2) wanted blew as a comic and as a movie and had the worst last page of any comic book ever and i somehow didn't see that mentioned although i just skimmed the last page
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i mean, for shit's sake (http://io9.com/5020465/wanteds-original-ending-makes-contempt-for-audience-into-art-form)
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Yeah Millar's a shit terrible writer.
Kick-Ass looks like a good movie though.
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Oh yeah, the trailer I saw on Sunday made it look really entertaining.
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i mean, for shit's sake (http://io9.com/5020465/wanteds-original-ending-makes-contempt-for-audience-into-art-form)
Oh my God when they finally admit the word "sheeple" into the dictionary that link should be the definition
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I just saw this movie and massively enjoyed myself.
Dear god it was corny and gruesome.
Also, they used the whole orange/blue complementary colours thing to death.
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Did you see it in a prescreening or are you a super effective pirate? Either way, we need the details.
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pre-screening. it was super gory. I've only read the first few comics in the series, and the story stayed pretty true for the first half of the movie, but went in a completely different direction for the second half.
But there were a couple of moments of good laughing, a lot of cringing at what looked like it was really painful, and some 'well that was the obvious joke'.
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Saw this on both Saturday and Sunday with different people, and really enjoyed it both times... will probably pick it up on DVD as well! Haven't read the comics though, so I can't really make any source material comparisons.
Overall agree with the posts above... very gory, but in a fairly comic fashion... there was nothing that was gruesome in the same way as you'd expect from, say, a horror movie or something. There was nothing incredible about it, but it was a good movie all round, managing to keep comedy, action and some drama in a fairly decent balance.
But then I'm a sucker for seeing anything at the cinema so I could be completely wrong.
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Yeah Millar's a shit terrible writer.
Boy, is he ever but for total information awareness I can not wait for UC Avengers 2.
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So after reading the book I actually want to see this movie. Not because I thought the book was good in any way, but because there is no way they could make the movie as bad as the book.
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So apparently it's both awesome (http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21899/1/REVIEW-KICK-ASS/Page1.html) and morally reprehensible (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100414/REVIEWS/100419986). I'm in.
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Sweet. So going to see this today.
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probably gonna try to see this today, or at least this weekend sometime
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Saw it, loved it, thought Nick Cage was really creepy in it.
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Lets face it, just on that moustache alone he was always going to be way too creepy. Everything else is like the creepy cherry on top of the creepy cupcake.
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I think directors need to treat Nicholas Cage like they treat Al Pacino. Don't try to make him be serious and down to earth. Let him ham it up, eat the scenery so much you don't even need catering, he works best that way. If you get him for a role that doesn't allow the hamminess, it will get fucked up. See: The Wicker Man. This movie looks like it gives him plenty of room to work.
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The Wicker Man was all hamminess! That's amongst the reasons it's perfectly, hilariously awful. He just goes as over the top as possible.
But yeah this movie was fucking awesome.
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I liked how almost everyone in the movie was British. I also like the fact that Kick Ass was also John Lennon. Ummmm, IMDB facts.
The soundtrack was ace & The Daily Fail was, as always talking out of it's arsecheeks when it said that Hit Girl was sexualised, those creepy Journos are creepier than Nick Cage could ever be.
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Yes Mr. Journalist Man just because you sprung a boner at the sight of an 11-year-old in a schoolgirl outfit doesn't mean anybody else did. She's a child of school age, you disgusting fuck.
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This film was just yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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This film was just yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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(yeah and Nick Cage was great in it)
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This movie was astounding
I wonder how many other movies almost completely earn their 'R' rating via one underage girl?
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Lolita, Taxi Driver, Cape Fear & Curly Sue.
(She wasn't R rated, More A rated for annoying, so annoying NO ONE should have to watch her.)
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saw it last night, it was awesome
kinda ready to see it again already
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Lolita, Taxi Driver, Cape Fear & Curly Sue.
Probably Leon, which had to have quite a few scenes with the girl cut for US release.
Damn good movie, though.
Dazed, I was saying that it shouldn't have been hammed up. In the original, it was only hammed up to the extent that Christopher Lee makes everything villainous hammy, due to his stature and (incredibly masculine) voice.
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I am totally looking forward to this film. I've booked tickets for myself, my girlfriend, my best friend and his girlfriend to go to see it Gold Class. This means big, fancy, leather, reclining seats and food and drinks that you order before the film and have brought to you at specific points. It's a two hour film so I think we'll have drinks and beer-battered fries brought to us at the beginning of the film, main meals brought to us an hour in and then maybe fancy desserts a half hour after that.
Rad.
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ok, first of all; where the fuck is this theater?
second of all; how much will a gold class ticket set me back?
third of all; isn't that abit much for anything short of kubrick?
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Well the specific cinema he is going to is in Sydney, but it's an Event Cinema (http://www.eventcinemas.com.au/) (which i think bought out Greater Union cinemas?) and the tickets normally cost around $20 if I remember correctly.
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Gold Class tickets vary in price depending on the day. Weekdays are $26, Weekends are $38, Public Holidays are $33. We're going on a public holiday. Yay three day weekend!
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Those theaters remind me a lot of the Alamo Draft houses down in Texas.
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This movie was excellent. Of course it was a bit hammy at times but that's what I signed up for.
Kick some ass, go see this movie.
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I was lucky enough to catch an early screening of Kick-Ass awhile back (perks of working in a comic shop), but I've gladly paid for a second screening since then. Kick-Ass is seriously that good. Having read the comic prior to my first viewing, I was skeptical of how they'd handle the adaptation, but the movie was an improvement on the comic in all respects. There were changes in relationships and a removal of the "twist" ending in the comic, but the revisions all worked to the benefit of the movie. Kick-Ass is one instance where modifications to make the film more marketable and appeal to a wider audience doesn't sacrifice the integrity of the original story.
Great choices in music (I can't wait for the score soundtrack to be released on April 26th), acting, action scenes (the fights featuring Big Daddy and Hit Girl were so badass, they gave me chills), tongue-in-cheek humor, etc. etc. and the list goes on.
This is one I'm definitely grabbing on DVD when it's released. I implore you all to see it!
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Just saw this. Avoiding the obvious in-title pun, the movie was great and I had a big, goofy smile on my face for pretty much the duration. And i wasn't even high :-o
of course, if you go in expecting anything but over-the-top action and ludicrous hilarity, then you're out of luck.
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Oh see that was probably my problem I went in expecting some sort of plot and characters that reacted to situations in a consistent and internally logical manner
There really is a lot to dislike about this film and it's kind of frustrating that most negative reviews have been framed by this bullshit hysterical moral panic.
Ebert's (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100414/REVIEWS/100419986) review hits the mark pretty squarely but a lot of what he says is diminished by the ever-tiresome "how is this affecting the children???" line.
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and by the fact that he says literally nothing except "this movie has no morals," which was pretty obvious from the trailers.
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On the one hand, I really don't like this movie and I really don't like the comic. I really, really, really don't like them. Both works are basically asking for pats on the back for pointing out that escapist fiction is, uh, well, escapist and fictional. Jesus Christ. Okay, look, comic book fans know people couldn't really get away with the stuff super heroes do in comics. You shouldn't necessarily get a medal for pointing this out, particularly when the rest of your book basically does consist of them getting away with a fair amount of super hero bullshit, even if eventually they lose more than they gain. It comes off as smarmy, vulgar and condescending. So, in most ways I totally agree with Roger Ebert.
On the other hand, he's really fixated on the li'l girl thing and the think of the children angle. Man, fuck the children. I find it a li'l alarming that society can't be bothered to give a shit about something unless it happens to a kid. Bad things happen to people all of the time and dammit, that should concern us!
and by the fact that he says literally nothing except "this movie has no morals," which was pretty obvious from the trailers.
Yes, but there's nothing wrong with expressing disapproval of something when you find it to be a morally bankrupt turd. I'm not a fan of censorship, mind you, but the nice thing about that position is that it means I also get to support Roger Ebert's right to tell someone that their film is bad and that they should feel bad. Ebert's probably mortified as hell that he even has to point this kind of shit out anymore.
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when the rest of your book basically does consist of them getting away with a fair amount of super hero bullshit, even if eventually they lose more than they gain
Fuck that, literally the only bad thing of any continuing relevance that happens to the "good guys" is when <SPOILER>Big Daddy dies</SPOILER>, and that happened to a supporting player.
Sure Kick-Ass gets hit by a car and apparently loses the ability to feel pain but it is never mentioned or even fucking demonstrated in the film again and only the barest of lip-service is paid to his recovery til he is back to normal again and back to the same shenanigans as before. But then he turns into a actual factual superhero on what we are to assume is pure grit and determination at the snap of a finger and gets the girl* and basically displays absolutely no internal consistency or logic whatsoever.
*Actually the characterisation of the main love-interest girl is probably what bothers me the most about this flick although that probably has more to do with what I know about Mark Millar and I was kind of just going in expecting at least a little misogyny somewhere.
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The one thing that bugged me the most was that, despite getting his ass kicked quite a lot, they never actually showed any bruises, contusions, or other things showing he had his ass kicked. In the book the least he did was allude to being mugged and having on some bandages.
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When I said lose more than they gain I was mostly referring to the comic and I meant emotionally more than physically; things don't really turn out the way they expected, there's that whole spoiler moment you're referring to and in the end everyone would probably have felt better off had they lived normal lives. From a purely physical standpoint though, yeah, they get away with super hero bullshit after one brief nod to consequences.
I know what you mean about the love interest change though. It undermined the "being a super hero won't get you want you want" theme, but at least it wasn't Mark Millar style misogyny-- I'm not really ready to condemn the movie for not sticking true to a theme I kinda hated, particularly since the comic ending seemed to wallow in Nice Guy cliches about women. I probably shouldn't have bothered going, really, given my relationship with the source material.
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Mark Millar is just an awful writer. I thought all the changes they made from comic-->movie were for the better.
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Everything I've heard from people who've read the books say that the changes made in the film actually make it better, I haven't read it but I was pretty impressed with the movie. What surprised me was that I went in expecting something entirely lighthearted with the violence being played for mostly comic effect. As a result I found the film to be a bit more serious than I was prepared for with certain scenes and themes [SPOILER!]Big Daddy's torture and death and the child abuse theme[/SPOILER!] hitting a lot harder than I expected them to.
I understand all the criticism given above (though I've enjoyed the Millar comics I've read) but I have to say I really loved this film and will probably end up seeing it again.
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Yes, but there's nothing wrong with expressing disapproval of something when you find it to be a morally bankrupt turd. I'm not a fan of censorship, mind you, but the nice thing about that position is that it means I also get to support Roger Ebert's right to tell someone that their film is bad and that they should feel bad. Ebert's probably mortified as hell that he even has to point this kind of shit out anymore.
Well, yeah. I was merely ragging on the review itself, not his right to have a dissenting opinion.
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The thing about Ebbert is even if you disagree with him, at least he conveys his points in a way that imply he's actually seen said film & then thought about it & how he is going to put across the points he did & didn't like.
You cannot say that about a lot of reviewers (See Daily Mail review for contrast)
I've even found myself agree with faults I hadn't previously noticed after reading his reviews. I think he is a good writer.
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i like ebert, though i frequently find myself disagreeing with his reviews, and occasionally find myself wondering if we had even been watching the same movie
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Ebert and I generally agree, unless he's publishing essays about how videogames aren't art.
Or giving "Knowing" 4 stars.
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While I think his argument is absolutely stupid, I do agree with him that video games aren't, and will never be art. For various semantics reasons I think Video games are more related to football, rugby, lacrosse, ect. than they are to literature, sculpting, or theater. The users can have artistry and something of the power of art can come from it, but by itself it is nothing. There is an art to video games, but that doesn't make them art. Though there are some exceptions to every rule; Metal Gear Solid 2 is far better enjoyed as a work of art than as sport.
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Let's not do this here.
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His video games aren't art stance is weird and kinda myopic. I just want him to meet us halfway and acknowledge that a video game can be art or at least contain art even if most of them aren't interested in making the attempt. I mean, yes, art is often in part a sort of communication between the artist and the audience and in video games you do cede a lot of control to the audience. But there is still form and structure there and he willfully ignores the point that linearity does exist in games. Yes, the player can derail a game by refusing to take it seriously or acting impulsively, but the same can be said of a stubborn or bored audience watching a movie.
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Also, the Metal Gear games are bad and Hideo Kojima should feel bad.
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His video games aren't art stance is weird and kinda myopic. I just want him to meet us halfway and acknowledge that a video game can be art or at least contain art even if most of them aren't interested in making the attempt. I mean, yes, art is often in part a sort of communication between the artist and the audience and in video games you do cede a lot of control to the audience. But there is still form and structure there and he willfully ignores the point that linearity does exist in games. Yes, the player can derail a game by refusing to take it seriously or acting impulsively, but the same can be said of a stubborn or bored audience watching a movie.
100% agree with this. That's why I said that games can, and often do contain artistry. Ebert's refusal to see that is a total failure on his part. But for reasons you outline amongst some others, I don't think video games can be treated as art, at least in the same sense the various things that are considered art are. Or to phrase an other way the core to something like GTA or GH isn't artistic in any sense. The formation of the pixels, music, what have you takes an artist but what it makes is sports like moreso than arts like.
But like I said some of these games completely fail at being games and only work for their artistic qualities. Actually that's what I'm getting at! It may have the qualities of art, but it doesn't take the form.
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There is a video game forum, please use it. I may even participate if it doesn't turn into a dicking clusterfuck too quickly.
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Too late.
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i just saw this. this film is REALLY fun. if you can get past the frighteningly high number of scenes where young children and teenagers kill people and also get the shit beaten out of them by grown men (not going to put a spoiler alert here because come on, this is basically the entire movie), it's delightful. nicholas cage is surprisingly funny too. a lot of the negative reviewers seem to be complaining that it's too over the top and distasteful but if you put aside any and all desire to read into the societal implications of having children swear or kill people or whatever and instead just treat it as just the silly violent fantasy thrill ride it is, it's a very exciting and well done one. one great big recommendation from me.
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Hey now, Kick Ass is over-the-top and distasteful. The only difference between people who enjoyed it and people who didn't is how willing they are to roll with that.
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Basically I have no morals and laughed all the way through it.
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It's a comic book movie, what they fuck were the thinking would happen?
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That it'd be good?
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Actually, I didn't really expect that. You know, because of Mark Millar.
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Just got back from this I'm on Alex's side. The third act especially made this an unfun movie for me. When your entire point is this is what would happen if superheros were in the real world you don't have a god damned jet pack. Really all of the scenes with Big Daddy and Hit Girl in action were better suited for a movie like Shoot 'em Up than this. Sadly they were the only actively interesting things in the movie though. The entire character of Kick-Ass and his bloody stupid narration couldn't have been more grating. There's only so much i want to know about a character's masturbation habits. There are other ways to set him up as a loser so why go with that? Thought Mintz and Strong were good too if not used to their full potential.
Still real annoyed in how the film strives so hard to go against its own message. Outside of one character everyone's better off for having become supers. Didn't Hit Girl need any therapy? Could go on longer, but too lazy.
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Man, this isn't the worst movie I've seen all year, but it's far and away the most one-dimensional love interest I've seen in forever. I guess Kick-Ass worships this girl because she is 1. a girl, 2.
boobs has boobs, and 3. once faked an interest in comic books? Definitely if one of my token homosexual friends told me he'd been faking his homosexuality (but for me!), and on top of it had been roaming the streets dressed to the nines in a green wetsuit like an absolute dipshit, fighting crime, etc. etc., I might I'd be mad for about 25 seconds, but then I'd be totes over it and we could have sex, right?
Then maybe postcoital, you could help me apply tanning lotion? (It's my single defining character trait, aside from wanting to rub naughty bits with Kick-Ass of course, ha ha ha :angel: :angel: :-D :angel:)
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the total lack of character development in any of the supporting characters and continuity and incredibly grating narration becomes a little more tolerable if you just pretend the title of the movie is "hit-girl, the movie" and focus on those parts for the entire duration. in hindsight i totally agree with all of the criticisms leveled by everyone so far, but admittedly i still enjoyed this film a whole lot on a very cheesy and superficial level because as much as a lot of the rest of the movie sucked, that little girl who played hit-girl is badass. so i'll agree that in the big picture this film is really dumb and flawed but for that reason, i got to still admit i liked it because when it comes down to it i would probably watch this again solely because i enjoyed her performance so much.
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The only difference between people who enjoyed it and people who didn't is how willing they are to roll with that.
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