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Title: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:02
When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time honing my sense of what is Goth and what is Not Goth (pathosception). I had plenty of time to spend thinking on this subject whilst I was dying my hair, painting my nails, doing my makeup and photoshopping pictures of myself for my Vampirefreaks profile.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/100_1956_3copysmall.jpg?t=1258729034)

Pictures like this.

Nowadays I have pretty much retired from the whole goth game and gone to stud, as it were. I sometimes wear clothes that are dark grey or blue, and my black leather trenchcoats have seen better days. But I still have my old faculties pretty much all in order, so I thought I would share them with the forums as a sort of public service. It seems to me that these days there is a lot of confusion as to what is and is not Goth, and I want to help put that right. Basically, all you gotta do is say a thing, or post a picture, and I will tell you whether it is

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)

or

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

I will also try and explain why.

Ask quick before I drink too much.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Nov 2009, 07:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 20 Nov 2009, 07:20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Within_temptation
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:20
@ Emilio:

This was a hard one. There are many goth elements here; the spells, mansions etc. Unfortunately, the music is just too funky to make the cut. Also, he doesn't want to be hurt. This is not goth at all: he should be craving suffering like a fat girl craves cakes. If you put it on straight 4/4 beat and had some malnourished warlock from leads playing icy guitar it would be totes goth, but I'm going to have to go with

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: the_pied_piper on 20 Nov 2009, 07:36
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/ditavonteese.jpg)?
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Post by: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 07:39
Fail.  Should have used this one:

(http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/manson_dita.jpg)

It's 900% gothier!!!!
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Post by: jhocking on 20 Nov 2009, 07:40
I have a friend who was goth before but I think now she outgrew the whole goth thing and actively makes fun of it (ie. she pulled a Dora.)  For example, here is her website:
http://www.spookygirl.net/

Do you think my supposition is correct?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:41
Quote from: BeoPuppy on 20 Nov 2009, 07:20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Within_temptation

Gothic, but not goth

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:43
Quote from: the_pied_piper on 20 Nov 2009, 07:36
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/ditavonteese.jpg)?

Based on how much I want to bone Dita Von Teese there is no way she can't be goth.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:54
Quote from: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 07:39
Fail.  Should have used this one:

(http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/manson_dita.jpg)

It's 900% gothier!!!!

I could actually argue that Brian Warner is pretty goth. For a start, he obviously really, really likes David Bowie, and he's boned Dita Von Teese. These are very powerful arguments. Unfortunately, the dude just tries too hard, and never gets it right. The problem is, he always just looks like a weekender: he's got a norm haircut, and he seems to just wear normal clothes that are black, which isn't goth. A real goth has got to look like, say, an insane fin de siecle french artist who murders prostitutes, or a frankenstein monster made from parts of former bassists from Christian Death who just ate a kilo of hairspray, or a black and white photo of Sigue Sigue Sputnik.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 07:57
Well played, sir.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:00
Quote from: jhocking on 20 Nov 2009, 07:40
I have a friend who was goth before but I think now she outgrew the whole goth thing and actively makes fun of it (ie. she pulled a Dora.)  For example, here is her website:
http://www.spookygirl.net/

Do you think my supposition is correct?

To a degree. She might just really like Lenore. You have to remember, that the cardinal rule of goth is that you should absolutely never ever self-identify as a goth, and if at all possible you should mock gothness. This is the thing that almost all teenage goths get wrong, even the ones who are mostly doing it right by wearing old army boots they buried in the back garden for two weeks instead of New Rocks and being able to have an intelligent discussion about which is the best XIII. Stoleti album*. If you call yourself a goth you essentially lost the goth game, unless you are really clever and take it to another level where you admit to being goth as a joke so you are not goth but are still goth all the same.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)




*Nosferatu or Metropolis.
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Post by: the_pied_piper on 20 Nov 2009, 08:21
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/gothbarbie.jpg)?
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:28
Quote from: the_pied_piper on 20 Nov 2009, 08:21
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/gothbarbie.jpg)?

Pink satin sheets, Tim Burton toys, teddy bear, straight hair: total weekender. This barbie needs an undercut, a red velvet bedspread and a less dominatrixy lower half. It is a fact little understood by many that goth chicks do not have to dress like they have taken a pair of scissors to a 'SEXY WITCH' halloween costume. Indeed, they very rarely do, which is pretty good because goth chicks are just average ladies generally and most average ladies can't dress like novelty strippers and get away with it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: Yayniall on 20 Nov 2009, 08:33
(http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpose/johnny_shumates_portfolio/images/125085/425x425.aspx)
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Post by: McTaggart on 20 Nov 2009, 08:41
(http://imgur.com/44Ex2.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:48
Quote from: Yayniall on 20 Nov 2009, 08:33
(http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpose/johnny_shumates_portfolio/images/125085/425x425.aspx)

I'm partial to the old-school, but that beard just ain't doing it for me. Maybe if the dude were destroying classical civilisation a little more? as it is,


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:50
Quote from: McTaggart on 20 Nov 2009, 08:41
(http://imgur.com/44Ex2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/echidna.jpg)
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 08:52
(http://radgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gothmog.jpg)
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Nov 2009, 08:55
Khar, you should have made a Visigoth label
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Post by: the_pied_piper on 20 Nov 2009, 09:05
(He is actually an Ostrogoth)
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Nov 2009, 09:09
Oh.....man is my face red
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 20 Nov 2009, 09:13
(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/the_slate/Neil.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 09:22
Quote from: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 08:52
(http://radgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gothmog.jpg)

Orcs are more of a power metal thing. Sometimes black metal. But always


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

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Post by: jhocking on 20 Nov 2009, 09:50
Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:00
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)

What if she is achieving many of her life goals? Aren't goths supposed to live in a pit of despair?
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 10:11
(http://www.8notes.com/images/artists/placebo.jpg)
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 10:28
Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:00
You have to remember, that the cardinal rule of goth is that you should absolutely never ever self-identify as a goth, and if at all possible you should mock gothness.

See this? I knew this rule. It's why I thought "Well played, sir," when I read this:

Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 07:02
Nowadays I have pretty much retired from the whole goth game and gone to stud, as it were.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 10:35
Quote from: Damnable Fiend on 20 Nov 2009, 09:13
(http://2fm.rte.ie/blogs/the_slate/Neil.jpg)

Haha no.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: Christophe on 20 Nov 2009, 10:41
(http://i48.tinypic.com/ev7yix.gif)?
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 10:44
I was seriously looking for that just now.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 10:46
Quote from: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 10:11
(http://www.8notes.com/images/artists/placebo.jpg)

This is an interesting one. The music of Placebo is certainly not goth, but it is goth friendly, much like the music of Kate Bush or the Eurythmics. Older goths would sciff at Placebo, of course, but most goths under the age of 25 have owned and liked at least one Placebo album at some point in thier lives.

As for the individuals, well, we've got some powerful plus points. Make up and ambiguous sexuality for instance; this is certainly more true of the earlier phases of Placebo. Given that no one in their might minds would try and argue that Robert Smith isn't goth* it could be hard for the layman to see why we can't come out and call Placebo goth. However, we have to look at the overall picture here. Problem is, Placebo are an NME band. No way round that, and the NME have never got goth. When Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Division and The Damned started hacking out the basic foundations of goth from the soft clay of post-punk back in the early eighties the NME tried to 'discover' the goth rock genre, and tried to call it 'positive punk', which really goes to show how fucking stupid they are. This association, at the end of the day, makes calling Placebo goth worryingly like calling Muse prog rock.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)


*Except Robert Smith, for obvious reasons.
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Post by: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 10:52
What about Depeche Mode? Everytime I go to the goth club they play them. Last time they played Depeche Mode, and Ladytron. Wtf. Are these bands goth?
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 20 Nov 2009, 10:54
aw I got the shortest reply.  oh well.
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/324/0/5/notmine_by_asphyxiation101.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 10:56
Quote from: Christophe on 20 Nov 2009, 10:41
(http://i48.tinypic.com/ev7yix.gif)?

The death sound is the main goth in this whole area. But unfortunately, that area is in California. California had some goth chops back in the glory days of Death Rock, but since the nineties when you say California and Goth Rock together the sounds get all mangled and you actually say

Cleopatra Records

Ah yes, Cleopatra. The record label responsible for producing industrial rock tribute albums to Smashing Pumpkins and AC/DC. No real goth can admit to liking Cleopatra records since at least 1995, even if you own almost every album that has ever come out on the label (I know I do). This immediately makes the death sound suspect. it is no good being top goth if that is associated with Razed in Black's cover of Cherub Rock.

The other thing, is the death sound is certainly southern gothic, but that is really only tangential to goth. And the self-mutilation stunt is more GG Allin than Andrew Eldritch.

hmmn.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

This is a matter for serious scientific research. Goth/not goth duality is only poorly understood.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 10:59
Quote from: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 10:52
What about Depeche Mode? Everytime I go to the goth club they play them. Last time they played Depeche Mode, and Ladytron. Wtf. Are these bands goth?
k

Yeah, Depeche Mode are goth. Well, rather, the band themselves are not goth, but listening to them can be, if it is in the right context. It's a combination of the generally gloomy attitude, the good slow-dancing beats and the french name.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)

Ladytron though

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: jhocking on 20 Nov 2009, 11:07
I hope you didn't miss my question, that is a key aspect of my understanding/misunderstanding goths.
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:10
(http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/typeonegative1.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 11:11
Sorry Mr Hocking!

Quote from: jhocking on 20 Nov 2009, 09:50
What if she is achieving many of her life goals? Aren't goths supposed to live in a pit of despair?

No, that's teenagers. Goths are supposed to work in graphic design and play bass for a band called Lucretia's Nightmare.
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Post by: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 11:12
Last time I went to the goth club, I wore a dress that was grey and black that I had bought at Old Navy, black tights, and yellow shoes. Do I fail?


Also, I know a lot of goths that work with programming. Is this an ok goth career?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 11:14
Quote from: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:10
(http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/typeonegative1.jpg)

Now the thing about Type O Negative is take me Peter! Take me in your powerful arms and never let me go. Let us sing our pagan lovesongs like wolves howling in the carpathians! Let us stride the night like gods. so really they're never let me gooooo quite I want to drown in your eyeeees

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:18
Yeah, I've always kind of argued that they're not really a goth band in terms of music style, but that doesn't really make Peter Steele less goth. It just gives him a firmer grip on his "I'm not goth" goth cred.
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Post by: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 11:20
Also, Belly Dancers. I'm told that these two scenes overlap so much and that is why so many goth girls are also belly dancers. Can you explain this to me? I never understood how belly dancers could be goth.

Also, why isn't Gaiman goth? I mean he did have a book called the Graveyard Book, and its about a little boy who is raised in a graveyard and cared for by a vampire.

Sorry I have so many questions.
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:22
Gaiman is really more of a gigantic fantasy nerd than anything. That's not really the same as being goth.
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Post by: IronOxide on 20 Nov 2009, 11:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 11:25
Quote from: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 11:12
Also, I know a lot of goths that work with programming. Is this an ok goth career?

That is one of the main goth careers. Goths who work outside the goth industry (alternative clothing stores, magazines, record labels, goth pubs etc.) normally prefer white collar jobs with no customer interaction. This is so they can have purple hair and scaffolding and not get fired. Other goths have learned to stealth effectively. The least goth job I have known a proper goth to have was either insurance broker or selling mobile phones.

@Alex: I would say that early to mid Type O Neg is goth metal. Not gothic metal, but goth. I would compare them with Moonspell, Tiamat, early Theatre of Tragedy etc. They have those bela lugosi vocals and a real sisters of mercy guitar tone going on at times. Of course, a goth purist would say that metal can never be goth, but most of the people who think like that entered a state of life in death when Bauhaus first split up, and were permanently put to their eternal rest with Rozz Williams.
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Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:29
Yeah, the purity argument always left me wondering. Plus, I'm under 30, and I'm an American from the midwest, so I have deep misgivings about my ability to really discern goth from not goth, goofy Catholic upbringing and angsty teenage years aside.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 11:32
Quote from: IronOxide on 20 Nov 2009, 11:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw)

The guy on the right is fairly alright. The girl is not goth at all. Neither is combichrist. Finally, they're not goth dancing.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

The relationship between goth and rivet is very, very complex. I will try and elucidate as more examples emerge.
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Post by: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 11:33
Quote from: Alex C on 20 Nov 2009, 11:22
Gaiman is really more of a gigantic fantasy nerd than anything. That's not really the same as being goth.

He's also dating Amanda Palmer.  Thereby living every fantasy nerd's dream.  

(http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/090604-amanda-palmer-2-1.jpg)

Dresden Dolls and Amanda Palmer are not goth in approximately the same way as Neil Gaiman, oddly enough.
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 11:39
Neil Gaiman is dating Amanda Palmer?

This is kind of like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt only with subculture heroes.
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Post by: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 11:48
Ever time I lucid dream I put myself between them on a California King and the three of us snuggle for hours.  Then they listen appreciatively to a novella I've been working on.  It's like fanfic but better.
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Post by: Jace on 20 Nov 2009, 11:49
Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 09:22
Quote from: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 08:52
(http://radgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gothmog.jpg)

Orcs are more of a power metal thing. Sometimes black metal. But always


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)



But Khar. That is GOTHmog. Goth is in his name.

Oh god, I immediately knew the name of an orc general from LotR, fuck I am such a nerrrrd.
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Post by: celticgeek on 20 Nov 2009, 11:50


Goth? (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2002_Queen_of_the_Damned/marguerite_moreau_queen_of_the_damned_001.jpg)
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Post by: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 14:07
Neil Gaiman and Naked Amanda Palmer did a bath tub interview with some lady awhile back. As in, he and Naked AFP sat in a bath together while being interviewed.

TMI: me and afp are on the same cycle/I am a huge nerdy fan and follow them both on twitter and know too much about them.

Afp is naked a lot, btws.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Nov 2009, 14:57
This is a bit late, but how about this one?
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7522/capybara.jpg)
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Post by: pilsner on 20 Nov 2009, 15:28
Quote from: Emaline on 20 Nov 2009, 14:07
Neil Gaiman and Naked Amanda Palmer did a bath tub interview with some lady awhile back. As in, he and Naked AFP sat in a bath together while being interviewed.

TMI: me and afp are on the same cycle/I am a huge nerdy fan and follow them both on twitter and know too much about them.

Afp is naked a lot, btws.

You're not kidding (link is very nsfw) (http://www.thesilentorchestra.com/afp/nekkid/).  Where you two always in synch, or did it happen spontaneously after you listened to Astronaut for a full day straight?
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Post by: Spluff on 20 Nov 2009, 17:50
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3186889/2/istockphoto_3186889_man_on_fire.jpg)

?
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Post by: David_Dovey on 20 Nov 2009, 18:13
Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 10:46
no one in their might minds would try and argue that Robert Smith isn't goth*

*Except Robert Smith, for obvious reasons.

Shit man I came in here specifically to ask if Robert Smith was goth. I remember when I was 13 a magazine I read had an ongoing back-and-forth on the letters page arguing whether he and the Cure were Goth or not.

Come to think of it it's really only occurred to me now that all of the people who would've written those letters would be totally
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 21:02
Quote from: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Nov 2009, 14:57
This is a bit late, but how about this one?
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7522/capybara.jpg)

Fur coat, all black contacts...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
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Post by: Inlander on 20 Nov 2009, 21:21
(http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an12265747-v)
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Post by: Spluff on 20 Nov 2009, 21:23
I was going to post that, but I figured it was probably too australia-specific.
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Post by: Inlander on 20 Nov 2009, 21:26
Yeah but there are plenty of Australians on this forum who can appreciate a cheap gag.
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Post by: Inlander on 20 Nov 2009, 21:27
Plus look how black those eyebrows are.
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Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 21:59
The image URL is vague. Enlighten all us 'Murricans?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 22:00
Yeah I can't answer this without knowing if he drank blood or whatever.
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Post by: Vendetagainst on 20 Nov 2009, 22:37
(http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n4/n24928.jpg)
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Post by: Inlander on 20 Nov 2009, 23:31
Quote from: Ballard on 20 Nov 2009, 21:59
The image URL is vague. Enlighten all us 'Murricans?

Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 22:00
Yeah I can't answer this without knowing if he drank blood or whatever.

'Scuse my punning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam).
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Post by: Thomas Edison on 21 Nov 2009, 01:56
(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/640/uglygoth.jpg)?
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Post by: the_pied_piper on 21 Nov 2009, 03:12
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/goethe.jpg)?
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Post by: Dliessmgg on 21 Nov 2009, 05:44
Quote from: the_pied_piper on 21 Nov 2009, 03:12
Goethe
Haha, no.

Rather this one:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/ETA-Hoffmann.JPG)
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Post by: michaelicious on 21 Nov 2009, 08:26
Quote from: Inlander on 20 Nov 2009, 21:27
Plus look how black those eyebrows are.

I have black eyebrows! Hopefully they will be that badass when my hair turns white.
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Post by: pwhodges on 21 Nov 2009, 09:26
Like this?

(http://cassland.org/images/alistair+darling.jpg)  (http://cassland.org/images/ALISTAIR DARLING 2.jpg)
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Post by: michaelicious on 21 Nov 2009, 10:39
If life is kind to me, yes.
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Post by: J-cob9000 on 21 Nov 2009, 20:31
(http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/pacific/australia/map_of_australia.jpg) and/or (http://www.sydney-australia.biz/western-australia/graphics/western-australia-kangaroo-beach.jpg)

??
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Post by: MrBlu on 21 Nov 2009, 22:49
Nothing in Australia is safe. I vote Goth.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 21 Nov 2009, 23:57
Quote from: J-cob9000 on 21 Nov 2009, 20:31
(http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/pacific/australia/map_of_australia.jpg)

Two words:

(http://hem.passagen.se/hehe/nick_cave.jpg)



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
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Post by: Zingoleb on 22 Nov 2009, 04:28
(http://seattletwist.com/wp-content/uploads/voltaire.jpg)

?
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Post by: Yayniall on 22 Nov 2009, 08:17
(http://kpoptown.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/20090619_snsd_marine_1.jpg)
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Post by: Lunchbox on 22 Nov 2009, 20:54
(http://curtharding.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/eeyore1.jpg)
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Skibas_clavicle on 03 Dec 2009, 15:47
Australia: NOT Goth.

But yah, I love this thread. I also love Khar, but that's a different story altogether!
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Post by: KharBevNor on 03 Dec 2009, 16:22
For some reason the enormous picture of Nick Cave has dissapeared from my post about australia.

I will get back on this in due time.
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Post by: ﾃｶde on 03 Dec 2009, 18:03
(http://www.essentiallogic.com.br/microfonia/6/strawberry_switchblade5.jpg)?
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 03 Dec 2009, 18:56
Quote from: KharBevNor on 03 Dec 2009, 16:22
For some reason the enormous picture of Nick Cave has dissapeared from my post about australia.

Aw I kind of like it better when I thought it was really "Two words: Goth"
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Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2009, 14:24
Quote from: ﾃｶde on 03 Dec 2009, 18:03
Strawberry Switchblade

This is like asking if heroin is a drug or just trying too hard to be one.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 04 Dec 2009, 16:30
The Melville/Poe thing is interesting. Now of course, obviously both gentlemen are pre-goth, since neither of them made it to the 1970's what with one thing or another. We must consider them on the influence. On this criteria, I'm afraid, despite the penchant for dark romanticism exhibited by both, only one can pass.

Edgar Allen Poe is more

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)

than a casket full of bats. He is the only absolute requirement in the goth literary canon; everything else can be taken or left, but even cybergoths can probably quote Alone or The Raven[/url]. Asking a goth their favourite lyrical work by Poe is a good method of judging their level. Low level goth will probably go for The Raven or Lenore. Goths who have mastered the 35 Chambers of Christian Death Bootlegs will probably make one of three choices: Alone, The Conqueror Worm or Dreamland. Dreamland in particular indicates a very potent goth, or perhaps a big fan of Sopor Aeternus & The Ensemble of Shadows*. Alone is becoming a bit less exclusive these days because of the internet and many musical versions.


Melville on the other hand is

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

He just ain't part of the canon. No one reads Moby Dick because they're a goth.


*these are normally the same as it takes quite a loit of gothitude to deal seriously with a heavily pierced bald transexual wearing sixty metres of torn black veils who made a neoclassical/darkwave concept album about how painful it is to be a vampire and gives musician credits to the voices in their head.
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Post by: Inlander on 04 Dec 2009, 19:15
Quote from: KharBevNor on 04 Dec 2009, 16:30
No one reads Moby Dick because they're a goth.

What about goth whales?

Also now I'm imagining goth remixes of Moby's music. It's pretty entertaining, I can tell you.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Dec 2009, 19:44
Quote from: Inlander on 04 Dec 2009, 19:15
Quote from: KharBevNor on 04 Dec 2009, 16:30
No one reads Moby Dick because they're a goth.
What about goth whales?
Be nice, just because they aren't size 0 doesn't make them whales.
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Post by: beat mouse on 07 Dec 2009, 10:17
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_03/amy181207_468x556.jpg)
i googled self loathing and got this. it raised an interesting point. touche, google.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 10:36
Nah, the Murderdolls are punx!

Silly tommy.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 12:36
Tripp Eisen is an Ayn Rand fan who used to be in Static X. Murderdolls is pretty much the best thing he has done with his life.

Also he did it after the band split up. Maybe the Murderdolls were responsible for reigning in his inner demon all thos years? We will never know. I do, however know that I come from the planet beyond the stars, looking for some human body parts. I知 gonna pull your body from your grave, cause I知 graverobbing U.S.A.

And I知 riding around in my black starship, looking for some crypts to kick. I知 gonna pull your body from your grave, cause I知 graverobbing U.S.A.

And I知 graverobbing U.S.A.

And I知 graverobbing U.S.A.

And I知 digging up the dead today
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 12:37







Cause I知 graverobbing U.S.A.



Or was that a Frankenstein Drag Queens Song? or was it one of the ones they recycled. I can't recall!
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Post by: Ozymandias on 07 Dec 2009, 12:44
 (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/ebony_willow/meow002.jpg)

?
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Alex C on 07 Dec 2009, 14:49
Please.

The gothiest thing about Jodie is that she's never really claimed to be goth.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 15:31
Jodie is too tiny to be goth. I think she's some kind of pixie or perhaps a kobold. Different species.

Maybe she could be Mini Siouxsie Sioux. Kinda like Mini Marilyn Manson (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/dylanpartridge/Mini_Marilyn_Manson.jpg), only way gother.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 03:53
Quote from: beat mouse on 07 Dec 2009, 10:17
THE FUCKIN WINEHOUSE

what the shit is going on with the right side of her dress

Quote from: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 15:31
Mini Marilyn Manson (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/dylanpartridge/Mini_Marilyn_Manson.jpg)

What the shit is going on with his ribs

Quote from: KharBevNor on 07 Dec 2009, 12:36
Also he did it after the band split up. Maybe the Murderdolls were responsible for reigning in his inner demon all thos years? We will never know.

Eisen was in that band for all of about ten minutes. He barely played on the record and left before they did any touring. It's entirely possible he got kicked out for being a pedophile. Or a libertarian.

Also let's not forget that he was in Dope! Dope.

In conclusion, fuck that guy.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 08 Dec 2009, 06:23
Quote
Eisen holds, and is vocal about, libertarian views. He is an avid fan of author Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, Anthem), and promoted Rand's philosophy of Objectivism while in the public spotlight by wearing t-shirts such as "Who Is John Galt?", "Equality 7-2521", and "Brother, You Asked For It", and by talking to fans and the media about Rand. He was the only member of Static-X to regularly post on the band's internet forums.[citation needed]

In 2005 Eisen was arrested for the kidnapping and sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl. He plead guilty to charges of statutory rape and was sentenced to one year in jail.

Quote
Sexual assault charges

While a member of Static-X, Eisen was arrested on February 10, 2005 on a felony charge in Orange County, California for having sexual intercourse with an underage girl. He was released on bail after only a few hours in custody. Just two weeks later, on February 24, 2005, Eisen was arrested again in California by New Jersey detectives for the alleged kidnapping and sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl from Sayreville, New Jersey. New Jersey State Police alleged that Eisen posed as a Static-X fan on the Internet and lured the girl starting in October 2004 and culminating with sexual intercourse on January 7, 2005.[1]

Upon hearing of the arrests, Static-X fired Eisen and replaced him with the original guitarist Koichi Fukuda (whom Eisen had replaced after Fukuda left the band in 2001). When Wayne Static was asked about Eisen's firing he said: "I knew immediately that we were going to kick him out of the band. We had to do that."

On June 24, 2005, Eisen pled guilty to the California charges of statutory rape and was sentenced to a year in state prison. After spending late February to late September 2005 in California prison, Eisen was released and due for an October 7, 2005 arraignment in New Jersey on the February 24 charges.[2]

Eisen is back in jail as of December 10, 2008 following a parole violation. He is scheduled to be released on October 19, 2009.

Well I didn't know any of that....
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Ptommydski on 08 Dec 2009, 07:20
None of those things matter in Goth/Not Goth.

For example -

(http://thebigblackmachine.com/ramblings/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/varg_vikernes.jpg)

OR IS IT?
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 07:35
Goth and Black Metal are two very different things Tommy geez haven't you learned anything
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Ptommydski on 08 Dec 2009, 07:41
PLAY THE GODDAMN GAME.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Zingoleb on 08 Dec 2009, 07:57
(http://www.raw-tcsd.com/queen%20play%20the%20game329.jpg)
?


no nevermind fuck I am terrible at this
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Post by: Luke C on 08 Dec 2009, 08:01
I like this thread.

How about:
(http://www.hearseclub.com/images/gallery2007/50_hearsecon_2007/DSC06230_goth_girls.jpg)

(This was the first thing that came up when I searched goth or not goth on google images.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 08:17
I'm gonna go out on a limb in pre-empting a reply from the expert but:

Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 08:28
It is a fact little understood by many that goth chicks do not have to dress like they have taken a pair of scissors to a 'SEXY WITCH' halloween costume. Indeed, they very rarely do, which is pretty good because goth chicks are just average ladies generally and most average ladies can't dress like novelty strippers and get away with it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: Ptommydski on 08 Dec 2009, 08:19
I don't know, they're all very pale.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 08:21
Oh wait they're actually DRIVING AROUND IN A HEARSE

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)
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Post by: McTaggart on 08 Dec 2009, 08:31
I keep forgetting how awful goth boots are. This'd be great if I didn't also keep getting reminded.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 08 Dec 2009, 16:39
Only the first one is even remotely goth. The rest are total weekenders.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Dec 2009, 17:27
Quote from: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 08:21
Oh wait they're actually DRIVING AROUND IN A HEARSE
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Peter_GB1.jpg)
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Reed on 08 Dec 2009, 17:42
That was an ambulance, jackass.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Dec 2009, 19:13
An ambulance would have room for someone to move around in it. Living people need someone in the back to make sure they stay that way until they get to the hospital. Corpses are much less high-maintenance.
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Post by: LeeC on 08 Dec 2009, 19:16
no im pretty sure it was a hurse.  I mean believe it or not some actually do have lights on it to alert people that a funeral procession is coming.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 08 Dec 2009, 19:20
It actually was an ambulance as wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters_(franchise)#Transportation) explains.
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Post by: LeeC on 08 Dec 2009, 19:21
wow...if that ambulance came up to me I'd say "ill take the next one"
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 08 Dec 2009, 19:28
the car itself could be either or. it's a 1959 cadillac miller-meteor. you know it's both cuz it's limo style, if it was a straight up hearse the windows would be different. yay wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_car)
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Dec 2009, 19:35
Hmm. If only the paint could be switched quickly and easily, you could save a lot of money. Sometimes you wouldn't even need to take him out of the car except at the morgue.


If you look at the Miller-Meteor on that page, the ambulance has a higher top, and the one in the 2008 and 1960s picture you could stand in as long as you bent over a bit and weren't really tall.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 09 Dec 2009, 10:25
Don't they have paintjobs where you can just peel it right off to a different colour underneath? Or is that just a hollywood movie thing?
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 09 Dec 2009, 20:01
wait, what does the paint job have anything to do with it? hearses don't necessarily have to be black. my friend owns one that is baby blue; they take it to hearse conventions. they have a black one too but the blue one is way prettier. It's the lights that switch, when it is a hearse it can have yellow flashing lights, when it's an ambulance it has yellow and blue flashing lights.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Dec 2009, 20:04
Hearse conventions?  I'm trying to imagine how that's not the most boring thing ever.  Maybe I just can't understand anyone liking hearses that much.  What do they talk about?  What are the hot topics in the hearse community?
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Post by: ﾃｶde on 09 Dec 2009, 20:06
Probably hearses.
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 09 Dec 2009, 20:09
From what I understand, it's mostly a roadtrip of hearses. Like a hoard of hearses. The people who own multiple nice hearses probably have a lot in common with each other... and I don't know, what do people talk about at comic conventions? That'd be soo boring, like they sit around and talk about comics all day??
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Dec 2009, 20:31
That does sound quite boring.  I also don't understand comic conventions.  The two types of conventions I can understand are science conventions (people give talks about things that they've discovered, people demo new products, and it's a great networking opportunity) and gaming conventions (because people actually game).  Though, I guess road trip conventions are ones I understand, too, because they're actually using their whatever the convention is about (motorcycle, classic car, hearse, etc).  Road trip conventions sound much more interesting than comic conventions.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Dec 2009, 22:14
Quote from: BrittanyMarie on 09 Dec 2009, 20:01
wait, what does the paint job have anything to do with it? hearses don't necessarily have to be black. my friend owns one that is baby blue; they take it to hearse conventions. they have a black one too but the blue one is way prettier. It's the lights that switch, when it is a hearse it can have yellow flashing lights, when it's an ambulance it has yellow and blue flashing lights.
I suppose, but you would want it white and red for the ambulance around here so people realized you were an ambulance and not just some loony driving down the road at 80MPH with stick-on lights flashing. I suppose a lot of people do pull over before they even see you (the noise), so it might not be as bad as I would think.

it also seems like you shouldn't have the same color paintjob for ambulance duty and hearse duty, just like you aren't going to wear scrubs to a funeral. Maybe that's a more recent luxury.

Bassist, I think your first example explained perfectly that it is subjective, and people will find conventions absolutely fascinating that others can't see the point of. The science convention sounds boring, at least until they involve robotic replacement bodies, laser eyes, or functional wings for humans. Then I'll be interested.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Dec 2009, 22:55
Quote from: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Dec 2009, 20:04
What do they talk about?  What are the hot topics in the hearse community?

I think it's important to realise here that most of the people who own hearses for non-commercial purposes are in Psychobilly bands and are married to Morticia Addams look-alikes. They mainly talk about upright basses, pomade and old B-Movies.

This is pretty much a typical hearse owner:

(http://66.34.10.12/aaamembersnew/zac/roadside_zac2.psd.jpg)

His hearse has a functioning flamethrower on the roof. He built it to attract the attention of this woman:

(http://www.hearseclub.com/images/gallery2007/hearsecon2008/P5070401_traveller.jpg)

All of this is very, very

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)

In fact it is probably the most legitimate American expression of the goth impulse.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2009, 23:07
I aspire to be these people.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Dec 2009, 00:37
Does that guy live in Colorado? I know I saw a picture of it from someone that lives in CO, but it could be a nearby state.

I wonder how he has to deal with the flamethrower to make it compliant with state law. I don't see anything relating to what flamethrowers are classed as (I'm pretty sure they don't count as a firearm), but I think it probably doesn't come up often.
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 10 Dec 2009, 00:54
khar just described my friend and her boy basically spot on.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 07:17
Quote from: Nodaisho on 09 Dec 2009, 22:14
Bassist, I think your first example explained perfectly that it is subjective, and people will find conventions absolutely fascinating that others can't see the point of. The science convention sounds boring, at least until they involve robotic replacement bodies, laser eyes, or functional wings for humans. Then I'll be interested.

Ah, but it's practical.  It might be boring (which they tend to be), but they help me do my job better.
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Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 07:22
He never said they were impractical, just boring. I mean, what you originally imagined for a hearse convention before khar explained would be pretty practical too.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 07:34
I thought the point of a hearse was that it was impractical.  At least for live people.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 10 Dec 2009, 08:08
I once rode on the roof of a bat-winged, flamethrower-equipped hearse at Burning Man ... but it also had a sound system and it was blasting "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun."  Goth or not goth?
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Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 08:14
man you can't swing your arms without hitting a bat-winged flamethrower-equipped hearse
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: sean on 10 Dec 2009, 08:15
Quote from: Ballard on 09 Dec 2009, 23:07
I aspire to be these people.

bad idea then you would be trying to be goth and think you are.
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Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 08:44
Quote from: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 07:34
I thought the point of a hearse was that it was impractical.  At least for live people.

The point of a hearse is that it is a vehicle used to carry dead people. This is not a complicated reason.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 08:48
I was under the impression that the people at hearse conventions do not tend to use their hearses to carry dead people.  They tend to use them to, as Khar said, "to attract the attention of [that] woman."
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 09:09
Parse my language carefully. I didn't say that the point is to carry dead people, I said that the point is it's used to carry dead people. Subtle distinction.

You suggested that the point is they are impractical, but really that's just a side-effect of their true appeal, that they are used to carry dead people.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 09:18
I see.  Still, I have trouble believing that this is practical in any way, shape or form.

Quote from: KharBevNor on 09 Dec 2009, 22:55
(http://66.34.10.12/aaamembersnew/zac/roadside_zac2.psd.jpg)

I think that the fact that it was made to carry dead people is no longer completely the point of this construction.

Also, maybe it should be noted that I have accepted the appeal of hearse conventions, since it's not just people sitting around talking about hearses.  They get together and drive their hearses, and that I can understand though I don't share their interest in hearses.  Nothing where people just sit around discussing trivia about their hobby is the least bit interesting.

p.s.  I am expanding "science conventions" to really include all trade conventions because they're a way for people to conduct their business more efficiently.  I'm always a fan of being more valuable as an employee.  Also, trade conventions almost always happen in awesome locations to entice people to come, so there's that.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2009, 09:52
Quote from: sean on 10 Dec 2009, 08:15
Quote from: Ballard on 09 Dec 2009, 23:07
I aspire to be these people.

bad idea then you would be trying to be goth and think you are.

Fuck that I just want a Batmobile hearse with a flamethrower on top.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 09:57
There's a theme song for that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZHcH1iQH4)

Also at least the anime conventions I've been to in the UK consisted of a lot more than just sitting round discussing hobbies. There's a lot of drinking, public nudity and being touched inappropriately by a man in a Panda costume.
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Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 10:24
Quote from: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 09:57
There's a theme song for that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZHcH1iQH4)

omg wish I knew about that song for past halloweens, must download now
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Post by: Ptommydski on 10 Dec 2009, 10:29
What a great band. Surf rock and cheesy horror punk in one.

They even have a proper dancing girl. Ace.
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: Ptommydski on 10 Dec 2009, 10:31
So are they GOTH or NOT GOTH?

(http://bastardag.freeblog.hu/files/go.jpg)

(Regardless, the dancing chick gets a Would)
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Post by: Yayniall on 10 Dec 2009, 10:33
Surf Nazis, goth or not? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWvAtqhuiI4)
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 11:14
Weirdly, Surf Nazis Must Die! is not even in the top 5 most perplexing 'high concept' Troma releases. It is one of their most dissapointing however, as nothing could ever really match up to the title and poster art. I personally prefer Chopper Chicks in Zombie Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1sRLVQ_kk0) as the highlight of that era.

Classifying the whole psychobilly thing (which horror surf is an offshoot of) is tricky. Though psychobilly was invented in the UK (by The Meteors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-x3lpeS0r8), and there are some top notch European acts (ranging from the traditionalists like Batmobile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyLPwt0xRMg&feature=related) to a personal favourite of mine, swedish 'vampire country' act The Coffinshakers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48iEGWxXEvU&feature=related)), by nature of its origins it's become a pretty American thing. It's picked up some deathrock associations over the years as well, the other great American goth style. When it was originally thought up by the Meteors they were marrying rockabilly with the horrorpunk aesthetic of The Misfits with rockabilly and Oi! style punk to create an apolitical form of punk music in opposition to the extreme, polar politicisation of the UK punk and skin scene at the time. It's not goth in the traditional sense, but goth is a chameleonic beast, and it has certainly grown closer to the goth crowd over the years, though there are still very punk and very rockabilly segments within the scene. I would say

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/goth.jpg)



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Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2009, 11:43
Hm, these last few have been easy. How about a challenge?

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4674/sweeneytoddthedemonbarb.jpg)
Title: Re: Goth or Not Goth? Ask Me.
Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 11:59
Tim Burton is a curious case. I personally would call him an appropriator. He poaches goth aesthetics and repackages them for mainstream consumption. His relation to goth is kinda like the relationship of Good Charlotte to punk music. Okay, that's a little harsh: he's in that category of a dude who does things a lot of goths think are pretty neat sometimes (much like Johnny Depp really) but you couldn't really call him goth on anything past maybe Vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxQcBKUPm8o). (Possibly Beetlejuice at the outside but I would fight you. Perkygoths are totally gay for the kiddies cartoon version though).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)

Also there's just the general problem of trying to get goths to accept showtunes. Not enough sparse, arctic TR-808 drumlines or piercing dub pedalled guitar or romanian accents going on*.




*Most goths know all the words to 'Phantom of the Opera' though. Just get one drunk and try it.
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Post by: Yayniall on 10 Dec 2009, 12:14
Which computing language is most goth?
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Post by: BlahBlah on 10 Dec 2009, 12:36
APL, obviously.
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Post by: Reed on 10 Dec 2009, 12:46
FORTRAN
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Post by: Eris on 10 Dec 2009, 15:14
Goth or not? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw)
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Post by: jhocking on 10 Dec 2009, 15:29
That video was posted on the very first page:

Quote from: KharBevNor on 20 Nov 2009, 11:32
Quote from: IronOxide on 20 Nov 2009, 11:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUA6e-s2pBw)

The guy on the right is fairly alright. The girl is not goth at all. Neither is combichrist. Finally, they're not goth dancing.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/notgoth.jpg)
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Post by: Eris on 10 Dec 2009, 15:36
ah, my bad.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 15:52
The distinctions between rivet and goth may seem academic to most, but they are pretty definite.
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Post by: ViolentDove on 10 Dec 2009, 16:25
(http://rowhouselogic.com/Llama/panda3.jpg)

?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Desmodus.jpg/630px-Desmodus.jpg)

?
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Post by: Alex C on 10 Dec 2009, 17:35
Quote from: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 15:52
The distinctions between rivet and goth may seem academic to most, but they are pretty definite.

I think what really confuses people is when members of each group pair off. In my early twenties I was friends with a guy who was definitely a rivethead and he was dating a lady that was definitely goth. In fact, I've ran into a few couples like that and only once was it the woman who was into rivet instead of vice versa; I tend to wonder if the fascination with militaristic images and power fantasy makes rivet into more of a young man's game. Like I said though, I only knew one of the couples pretty well, and from what I could tell, they basically got together because she was one of the few girls in town who didn't really care how much PVC he wore.
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Post by: McTaggart on 10 Dec 2009, 17:53
Quote from: Reed on 10 Dec 2009, 12:46
FORTRAN
I don't think goth is really right for fortran. It's cold and mechanical and efficient. I think you're after something darker, more mystical and slightly unnecessary. Like Haskell which is pretty much black magic.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2009, 17:57
Dancing rivet dude- would hit that.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 18:11
Quote from: Yayniall on 10 Dec 2009, 12:14
Which computing language is most goth?

All goths code in Shakespeare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_%28programming_language%29).
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 19:28
Quote from: Reed on 10 Dec 2009, 12:46
FORTRAN

I know far too many people who have used FORTRAN for it to ever be considered goth in my book.
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Post by: Dliessmgg on 11 Dec 2009, 02:35
Quote from: Yayniall on 10 Dec 2009, 12:14
Which computing language is most goth?
ZOMBIE. (http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/zombie.html)
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Post by: onewheelwizzard on 11 Dec 2009, 09:26
Quote from: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 18:11
Quote from: Yayniall on 10 Dec 2009, 12:14
Which computing language is most goth?

All goths code in Shakespeare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_%28programming_language%29).

oh my god
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2009, 23:44
Goth or not goth? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqL1yJOHAbI&feature=related).
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Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Dec 2009, 00:11
Those guys are weekenders trying too hard, their corpsepaint is trying to be Immortal, but ends up being more ICP.

(and yes, I know it's a modification of that stupid YTMND thing that has been around since the dinosaurs roamed the internet).
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Post by: calenlass on 14 Dec 2009, 02:22
I wish I were goth. My budget and my attention span are too poor and I am too hipster to be anything more than a weekender, though. :(
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Post by: ViolentDove on 14 Dec 2009, 03:04
Quote from: Ballard on 13 Dec 2009, 23:44
Goth or not goth? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqL1yJOHAbI&feature=related).

Hehe. Saw this gem of a youtube comment on that page:

"My friend says that he's dating a goth chick and my friend is emo, is that right or not? Because I don't think that'll work. Besides, I'm an emo, possibly dating a goth chick."

He is right to worry. Goths and Emos cannot actually have children, as they're genetically incompatible.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Dec 2009, 10:31
Quote from: ViolentDove on 14 Dec 2009, 03:04
Quote from: Ballard on 13 Dec 2009, 23:44
Goth or not goth? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqL1yJOHAbI&feature=related).

Hehe. Saw this gem of a youtube comment on that page:

"My friend says that he's dating a goth chick and my friend is emo, is that right or not? Because I don't think that'll work. Besides, I'm an emo, possibly dating a goth chick."

He is right to worry. Goths and Emos cannot actually have children, as they're genetically incompatible.
I wish, it would be nice if Emos were genetically incompatible with the rest of humanity.

Of course, the girls in question are probably mallgoths.
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Post by: jodizzle on 15 Dec 2009, 03:24
I truly adore this thread <3 Khar.

Jordan beat me to my own joke about myself but he did it SO WRONG.  He didn't have this picture of my brother and I...

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/ebony_willow/queen_Jodie_and_paul_by_aztecrose.jpg)
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Post by: Metope on 15 Dec 2009, 03:59
That's neither GOTH or NOT GOTH.


It's WELL GOTH, EH?
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Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Dec 2009, 04:25
What, all of them? I'm pretty sure that wouldn't make it onto TV.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 15 Dec 2009, 08:39
Quote from: jodizzle on 15 Dec 2009, 03:24
I truly adore this thread <3 Khar.

Jordan beat me to my own joke about myself but he did it SO WRONG.  He didn't have this picture of my brother and I...
snip

Your brother looks a lot like this Boy I have been chatting up lately, only with dark hair.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Dec 2009, 15:16
Her brother's clothing reminds me of Tony Iommi. Sort of the hippie in black look.
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Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2009, 21:35
Good lord Jodie,
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Post by: jodizzle on 16 Dec 2009, 02:50
That is my favourite skirt I have every owned.  My butt is way too big for it now :( :( :(

Haha Kris, totes well goth eh.  I miss Oli.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Dec 2009, 08:36
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/ (http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/)

I like this blog. It makes me giggle.
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Post by: Ptommydski on 16 Dec 2009, 08:37
Quote from: Ballard on 15 Dec 2009, 21:35
Good lord Jodie,

No secrets for guessing what works for Gene then.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 16 Dec 2009, 16:01
There's a couple of pics on my facebook that might fit that blog. Probably not gothy enough though.

(http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v315/6/22/632365636/n632365636_3787484_7144.jpg)
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Post by: ﾃｶde on 16 Dec 2009, 16:04
I dunno, you're wearing a black skirt.
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Post by: fatty on 17 Dec 2009, 01:49
Nice thread here Khar!
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Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Dec 2009, 04:35
Quote from: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Dec 2009, 08:36
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/ (http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/)

I like this blog. It makes me giggle.
I'm not even a goth and I can tell the answer to the hot weather problem is to dress like Andrew Eldritch. Lots and lots of white. That isn't as funny, though.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 17 Dec 2009, 10:00
I'm trying to find a photo of a friend of mine who has the opposite problem, he always wears a t shirt with the sleeves cut off, black combat trousers & army boots. I saw him the other day. He was wearing this.


I LIVE IN NOTTINGHAM, THAT'S IN ENGLAND, IT'S FRACKING COLD HERE.

He is also just over 6"7. I will never tell him I think he is crazy. (He used to play sir Guy of Gisbourne in the Tales of Robin Hood show, fearsome.)
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Post by: calenlass on 17 Dec 2009, 10:11
Google does not know this show, unless it is the BBC one.
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Post by: Ptommydski on 17 Dec 2009, 10:32
I think she means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tales_of_Robin_Hood).

Incidentally, if Robin of Loxley existed (he didn't, the myth was an amalgamation of several old stories, few of which were true) he would have been from Yorkshire.
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Post by: Inlander on 17 Dec 2009, 19:39
I'd make some kind of joke about that but I just watched the Red Riding movies last week so now I'm scared of upsetting Yorkshiremen.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 17 Dec 2009, 22:14
Quote from: Ptommydski on 17 Dec 2009, 10:32
Incidentally, if Robin of Loxley existed (he didn't, the myth was an amalgamation of several old stories, few of which were true) he would have been from Yorkshire.

Nah he was totally from Lancashire.

Yer bastard.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 18 Dec 2009, 06:10
Quote from: Ptommydski on 17 Dec 2009, 10:32
Incidentally, if Robin of Loxley existed (he didn't, the myth was an amalgamation of several old stories, few of which were true)

Man next yr going to suggest that he wasn't a fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_%281973_film%29)
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Post by: The extra letter on 18 Dec 2009, 07:51
I tend to keep my hair enclippened and don't dye it black because the black sort of wanders off even if I use the "super permanent fuck-you, hair!" black dye and I tend to wear Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy t-shirts but I'll also wear a t-shirt with flowers on it or perhaps a weird critter.

Am I goth?
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Post by: Emaline on 18 Dec 2009, 12:41
Dear Dark Lord Khar,


I have a question that is not so much is something goth or not goth, but to do with goth plans. You see, the monthly fetish night is tonight(the only fetish event in all of town for the month, which will include public floggings, fire dancers, belly dancers, dominatrixs, etc etc). We'd really like to go, but I am just getting over the flu. Should I attend such gothy events?


Truly yours,
Emaline
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Post by: David_Dovey on 18 Dec 2009, 23:10
Goths are especially susceptible to flu infections, so no.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 19 Dec 2009, 05:51
Quote from: Ptommydski on 18 Dec 2009, 11:32
Quote from: KharBevNor on 17 Dec 2009, 22:14
Nah he was totally from Lancashire.

Loxley is in Sheffield.

I was pretty much obviously just suggesting the opposite of yorkshire.
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Post by: Yayniall on 19 Dec 2009, 08:45
Oh no you weren't!
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Post by: Barmymoo on 19 Dec 2009, 12:43
Tommy, you're forgetting the war of 1219 when Sheffield was stolen from Lancashire by the Yorkshire upstarts. Previously they had been confined to a small section of the east coast but in a sudden uprising a mass of armed horsemen with long, shaggy beards, thick Yorkshire accents and muddy boots stormed the areas to the west, south and north and claimed it as their own. That's why the east of Yorkshire is called the East Riding of Yorkshire when everywhere else is just "West" or "North" or "South"; it's a memorial to the brief but bloody period of history which formed the basis of the hatred between counties.

Or something.
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Post by: schimmy on 19 Dec 2009, 15:45
Nah the reason we hate Lancashire is hotpot.
However, we love them because of the Lancashire Hotpots.
It is a complicated relationship.

Never mind, the Hotpots are from Merseyside.
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Post by: Inlander on 19 Dec 2009, 17:04
What about the sexpots, where are they from?

Pretty sure they're not from Merseyside.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 05 Jan 2010, 06:14
Quote from: Ptommydski on 17 Dec 2009, 10:32
I think she means this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tales_of_Robin_Hood).

Incidentally, if Robin of Loxley existed (he didn't, the myth was an amalgamation of several old stories, few of which were true) he would have been from Yorkshire.

Yes I did. It was so bad it was awesome. Also please don't take Robin away from us, if you do we only have gun crime & Shane Medows & Paul Smith left.

Quote from: Inlander on 17 Dec 2009, 19:39
I'd make some kind of joke about that but I just watched the Red Riding movies last week so now I'm scared of upsetting Yorkshiremen.

I wouldn't be, they ain't as scary as Yorkshire wimmin.

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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Jan 2010, 19:45
Snowman is wearing a black santa hat with "Bah Humbug" written on it.
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Post by: Emaline on 10 Jan 2010, 19:48
When I went to the goth club around Christmas, everybody had santa hats.

So I vote goth.
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Post by: Inlander on 10 Jan 2010, 20:11
Quote from: Ptommydski on 10 Jan 2010, 19:47
Is the snowman Goth or Not Goth though?

The santa's outfit is double-breasted. Seems more steampunk than goth to me.
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Post by: Emaline on 10 Jan 2010, 20:12
I just found a youtube movie about the St. Louis goth scene! hahahahah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39unQGCYsc


Oh my god. I just realized I know some of these people.
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Post by: ﾃｶde on 10 Jan 2010, 20:24
"The Goth scene?... Dark"

Yeah you've got the blinds closed and you're wearing sunglasses.
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Post by: Emaline on 10 Jan 2010, 20:32
Oh. My. God. The "Jake" at 6:53 is a dude I used to sort of date and am now really good friends with.
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Post by: Inlander on 10 Jan 2010, 20:55
Quote
I for one am more of a lounge goth

Holy shit please tell me this is a legitimate musical sub-genre.
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Post by: Inlander on 10 Jan 2010, 20:57
Quote
It's very fluid but at the same time, um . . . I don't know, very rigid

Like a bunch of rocks falling down a mountain-side, I guess.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2010, 20:59
'Now, there are two different types of goths, I would have to say. There are like the goths that are just like you and me, you know, just normal, everyday people, and then there are "elite" goths, and I say "elite" as in "uber." Um, the uber goths I think are, are very exclusive and "if you don't know me then you can't hang out at my party," and, you know, things of that nature. Like "if you don't come in costume then don't even bother walking in the door." Yeah.'
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Post by: Emaline on 10 Jan 2010, 21:04
That lady, if I remember correctly, is sort of a skeezy burlesque dancer. Skeezy as in not as good as others I've seen. And kinda skeletal.
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Post by: Johnny C on 10 Jan 2010, 21:51
is it goth when your mom is like "what did you do at school today" but you are sitting in a chair at the dining room table perfectly still with your arms at your sides and your black-glossed lips are curled downwards but instead of answering you just look at her from umnderneath your raised brow and as she puts your plate of prime rib & roast potatoes & corn in front of you you mutter "today i planned your death"
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Post by: Inlander on 10 Jan 2010, 21:58
Replace "planned" with "wrote a poem about".
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2010, 21:59
Quote from: Johnny C on 10 Jan 2010, 21:51
is it goth when your mom is like "what did you do at school today" but you are sitting in a chair at the dining room table perfectly still with your arms at your sides and your black-glossed lips are curled downwards but instead of answering you just look at her from umnderneath your raised brow and as she puts your plate of prime rib & roast potatoes & corn in front of you you mutter "today i planned your death"

post of the year
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Post by: Inlander on 11 Jan 2010, 06:02
Financial year.
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Post by: Ballard on 11 Jan 2010, 10:59
Never too early to nominate.
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Post by: Tom on 11 Jan 2010, 15:24
Should we keep track of these?
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Post by: Lunchbox on 11 Jan 2010, 15:31
Oh yeah we didn't do an end of year forum awards like we usually do.
Does anyone have free time this week?


Kieffer?
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Post by: Inlander on 11 Jan 2010, 15:33
Do we normally do it? I only remember it happening once.
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Post by: ViolentDove on 11 Jan 2010, 16:23
I am sometimes tempted to start a Goethe or Not Goethe? paradoy thread. But then I restrain myself.
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Post by: Der Golem on 11 Jan 2010, 17:08
Quote from: ViolentDove on 11 Jan 2010, 16:23
I am sometimes tempted to start a Goethe or Not Goethe? paradoy thread. But then I restrain myself.

Just as well, don't want to risk someone making a Goatse or Not Goatse? parody thread in response to yours.
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Post by: Spluff on 11 Jan 2010, 17:16
If you need somebody else's advice to distinguish Goatse from other objects, you have a terrible, terrible problem.
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Post by: Spluff on 11 Jan 2010, 17:16
Or a particularly poor living environment.
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Post by: Lunchbox on 11 Jan 2010, 17:41
I am with Jens, I really like it and also I am an old lady who likes her stories and likes to reminisce
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Post by: ﾃｶde on 11 Jan 2010, 17:52
I have forgotten almost everything about 2009. Did you see 2009? Please tell me what happened.
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Post by: Emaline on 11 Jan 2010, 17:57
Just read the blog thread. Also, relationship threads.
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Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 11 Jan 2010, 18:01
Quote from: Lunchbox on 11 Jan 2010, 15:31
Oh yeah we didn't do an end of year forum awards like we usually do.
Does anyone have free time this week?


Kieffer?


I'll just save him the trouble:

everyone ties for "biggest moron pig fucker" except Sam who wins "cutest smile"
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Post by: David_Dovey on 12 Jan 2010, 03:34
Quote from: Jeans on 11 Jan 2010, 17:31
I'll put my liking it down to being dazzled by all the beautiful people in the photothread at the time, I guess.

I too am disappointed with the total dearth of photowhoring in the forum recently.
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Post by: redglasscurls on 12 Jan 2010, 07:59
Seriously people, post your gorram photos. LUNCHY I AM LOOKING AT YOU, WHAT HAPPENED.
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Post by: Lunchbox on 12 Jan 2010, 15:21
I got a full time job!
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Post by: sean on 12 Jan 2010, 15:27
who wants to see my new haircut?!?!
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Jan 2010, 15:57
Are you aware you're still in the Goth thread?
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Post by: scarred on 12 Jan 2010, 16:01
Quote from: sean on 12 Jan 2010, 15:27
who wants to see my new haircut?!?!

only if you dyed it black!
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Post by: scarred on 12 Jan 2010, 16:01
errr i mean "midnight apocalypse"
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Post by: Emaline on 12 Jan 2010, 16:37
I'm dying my hair black! er..blue black and mood indigo mixed together.
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Post by: Reed on 12 Jan 2010, 16:42
Quote from: Lunchbox on 12 Jan 2010, 15:21
I goth a full time job!
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Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 12 Jan 2010, 16:45
Quote from: scarred on 12 Jan 2010, 16:01
Quote from: sean on 12 Jan 2010, 15:27
who wants to see my new haircut?!?!

only if you dyed it black, to match your soul
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 12 Jan 2010, 23:02
Quote from: scarred on 12 Jan 2010, 16:01

only if you dyed it black!

(http://image.hotdog.hu/_data/members2/218/533218/images/peter_steele_241.jpg)
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Post by: sean on 13 Jan 2010, 12:27
khar am i goth?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 13 Jan 2010, 13:14
Nope.
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Post by: Caleb on 13 Jan 2010, 13:52
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Caleb_Blood_Smith.png)

Caleb Blood Smith.
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Post by: sean on 13 Jan 2010, 15:14
word