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Title: Swearing
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 23 Nov 2009, 09:15
I do this too much. I've been thinking more and more recently that I want to stop cussin entirely, or at least save it for only the specialist circumstances. I feel like usin' cusses like commas just takes all the oomph out of them, and makes me sound sort of stupid also. It made me feel hardcore when I was like, 14, but at this point it seems like its time to grow up, you know?

I have been trying, but years of speech patterns are really hard to break. I'm tryna figure it out, but if any of y'all have hilarious or helpful suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: McTaggart on 23 Nov 2009, 09:23
I've tried to give up swearing a couple of times and yeah, it's pretty hard. I think the main issue I have is that my brain doesn't even bother trying to find adjectives anymore and goes straight to the easiest thing. Maybe if you make your self come up with adjectives for all the times you would normally swear you can train yourself into thinking better even if you don't speak it?
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: morbid79 on 23 Nov 2009, 09:41
As long as you don't use crassness as a substitute for a poor vocabulary, it isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Dollface on 23 Nov 2009, 09:43
Joys of swearing. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM)

So shove it in your pimhole!!
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Nov 2009, 09:56
I think I've gotten off of my swearing kick, I can't seem to cuss like I used to. I notice my girlfriend cussing more then I do.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Drill King on 23 Nov 2009, 10:27
I hardly swear at all in real life, mamma taught me it made me sound unedumacaterd.

Kieffer, honestly, the only way to do it is to be so guilty about it that everytime you swear you feel bad, you'll stop soon enough.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 23 Nov 2009, 10:29
get a job where you have to talk to people without swearing.

i used to swear all the time (and still do, to an extent), but working with the public and having to retain some semblence of professionalism has changed my ways noticably.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: snalin on 23 Nov 2009, 11:01
There's few things that make me angrier than somebody telling me not to cuss. It's... a part of myself, really, and I reserve the stronger things for stronger occasions. I swear a lot more than my peers, surely, but I grew up in the northern part of Norway, and swearing is much more usual there, and I guess I've carried that part along. And I'm not going to skip it because the damn southerners are fucking puritan, that's for sure.

One thing I've laid of is the use of the word "fette" as the one and only adjective in my vocabulary, which is a Northern Norwegian version of "fitte", which would properly translate into cunt. Although "cunting" would probably be better, as in "that's cunting brutal, man!"

Yeah, it's not a good part of the world.

So, I can't help you. If I had to quit swearing, I'd teach myself to use words that's a bit bigger than the basics. Why struggle for conformity when you can go for outclassing everyone? "Preposterous!" instead of "no fuckin' way, bro!" is a good start.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Caleb on 23 Nov 2009, 11:35
Learn how to swear in another language.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Drill King on 23 Nov 2009, 11:40
Learn how to swear in another language.

Don't do this please.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Lines on 23 Nov 2009, 11:47
Pinch yourself every time you catch yourself doing it. Get a friend to pinch, poke, slap, etc. if they notice. That and stopping to think out exactly what you want to say helps, too.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 23 Nov 2009, 11:49
I have the ability to swear in spanish, If I ever had the desire.

But yeah I don't swear too much at all.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: snalin on 23 Nov 2009, 12:15
I've noticed myself using Wheel Of Time swear words when typing English stuff. I guess it's because I'm trying to read through them all before getting to 12, but still, this shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Heranje on 23 Nov 2009, 12:20
I used to swear all the time - it was horrible and made me sound like an idiot. There is nothing as ineloquent as a person whose every other word is a swearword (possibly a person whose every other word is 'like'). I don't think I ever made a conscious effort to quit, really - at some point I just realized "I'm over this" and I stopped. Of course, if someone is perfectly happy swearing, they should do so to their heart's content, but I understand why you would want to stop or cut down. Swearwords do lose their impact if you use them all the time.

Some things that may help:
- tell your friends that you're trying to quit swearing, and ask them to remind you every time you swear. It's hard to be conscious of one's own language at times and being reminded by others can be annoying in the short run (as in, when someone calls you out for the fifth time that sentence) but really helps to make you more aware of how you speak, and to find substitutes in your speech.
- if possible, get those around you to cut down as well - what helped me the most was probably that the people around me stopped swearing. (not because I told them to, just as a sort of common decision) I find I tend to adapt to the language that I hear, and pick up and drop words and ways of speech as they are used by those around me.

That's basically all the advice I can give. I'm trying to break my own habit of constantly using the Norwegian equivalents of "like" and "sort of" as filler words, and as you say it's really hard to break a speech pattern. Luckily, my father has decided to annoy me to death by asking "is it LIKE that, or is it that?" every time I slip up, so it's getting better. :P

(also, woo for using fantasy swearwords! I desperately want to start including Clockwork Orange words into my normal vocabulary.)
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 23 Nov 2009, 12:35
I've found that when I don't want to swear (i.e. I'm playing a pretty classy gig), speaking a lot slower and more deliberately helps a lot.  Also, avoid topics that you have strong feelings about.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Nov 2009, 12:41
I agree with putting yourself in a position where you have to not swear, after a week of that it usually takes me a few days of not caring about it to get back in the habit of swearing, and that is usually after I have gotten really really frustrated with something.

Am I the only person that has gotten to the point of being so desensitized with the more harsh profanity that they find themselves using what would be considered less offensive language when really angry? I suppose that might not necessarily be a bad thing, because that is when I am less likely to be able to control my language, so if I want to I can be completely polite until I'm really angry, at which point I use words like "imbecilic", "bloody" (probably has to do with living in the US, where it isn't offensive), and "damned", which is somehow a lot classier than damn, dammit, or goddamn.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: FIXDIX on 23 Nov 2009, 12:51
I've noticed myself using Wheel Of Time swear words when typing English stuff. I guess it's because I'm trying to read through them all before getting to 12, but still, this shouldn't happen.

When I was younger and reading the books all the way through I found myself saying "Light" to myself. In my head. Still it was weird realzing I had picked up a fictional curse word. I also kind of did the same when I read the full run of Preacher over a few days. For three weeks whenever I said shit it came out as shite, just how I imagined Cassidy would say it.

I swear a lot. I stopped for a time during high school, but soon after I finished and got a job working with other dudes who swear I soon picked back up on it. From time to time I will get lazy and just throw them in conversations when I can't be bothered stringing together an intellegent sentence. I'm going to swear for the rest of my life, it's something I've come to accept really. I have cut down, and I do take into account who I'm dealing with when using swear words.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Van donk III on 23 Nov 2009, 13:23
I've found myself swearing more than ever recently, Having a job in a crew of many many people that involves heavy lifting as the norm doubled with my location (Belfast, a typical docker town) makes for the utmost in profanity from the majority of the crew including myself.

Heard last night just before the end of work by my crew boss : "would any of you c*nts like to stop fruiting around and get some fucking work done?"

classy
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 23 Nov 2009, 13:35
fruiting around?

I mean if you're gonna go all out and say cunt you might as well put as many swears in the sentence as possible
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 23 Nov 2009, 14:09
I swear a fair amount in casual conversation with friends, but at work or around family I'm able to restrain myself. I nearly slipped up in front of my grandpa but that's because I dropped a bed on my foot.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: StaedlerMars on 23 Nov 2009, 14:11
I've noticed myself using Wheel Of Time swear words when typing English stuff. I guess it's because I'm trying to read through them all before getting to 12, but still, this shouldn't happen.

Frak.

Also, saying Light as a curse seems kind of natural. But this is probably because I just read that book.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: phooey on 23 Nov 2009, 14:17
Hm, I'm pretty decent at code-switching, so swearing in the company of people who I want to think highly of me isn't really that hard.  They probably think I'm an imbecile though* because in lieu of cussin', I just let my vocabulary run wild, and I'll use words like "scoundrels" and "mountebank," and of course from time to time "phooey."  

Swearing in other languages is pretty fukkin' stupid.  Mild swears with people who understand it can have comedic effect from time to time, but if you're swearing in another language every other word, it will have a coupla effects.  The first is it will make you seem like a fan(boy/girl) for whatever nation's language you're repping, or alternately like you're a weeaboo or watch too much Firefly, depending on the language.  The second is that you will offend people who are fluent in the language you've chosen.  The third is that people unfamiliar with the language will believe you're speaking in tongues/have picked a "power word" like a religious zealot or somesuch.  Like I said, fukkin' stupid.  

ETA: *I'm actually fine with this.  As long as they don't think I'm a vulgar imbecile.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 23 Nov 2009, 14:22
There's really no such thing as watching "too much" Firefly. Can't be done.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: phooey on 23 Nov 2009, 14:27
Yeah whatever just cut it out with the 他妈的 and we're cool
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 23 Nov 2009, 14:28
I was not contesting that point. Haha. Swearing in mandarin unless you're Chinese only works on that show.

Sorry, nerds!
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: öde on 23 Nov 2009, 14:53
Swearing in Mandarin didn't really work on the show either since there aren't any remotely Asian-looking people on it.

I find using adjectives instead of swearwords works pretty well. Pretty fuckin' well indeed.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: phooey on 23 Nov 2009, 14:58
Open letter to those who regularly swear in languages that aren't commonly used otherwise by yourself or those around you:

To whom it may concern,

No, you're not saying it right.
Yeah, you prolly sound like an idiot.

Regards and well wishes,
Phooey
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 23 Nov 2009, 15:27
I used to swear all the time - it was horrible and made me sound like an idiot. There is nothing as ineloquent as a person whose every other word is a swearword (possibly a person whose every other word is 'like'). I don't think I ever made a conscious effort to quit, really - at some point I just realized "I'm over this" and I stopped. Of course, if someone is perfectly happy swearing, they should do so to their heart's content, but I understand why you would want to stop or cut down. Swearwords do lose their impact if you use them all the time.

Some things that may help:
- tell your friends that you're trying to quit swearing, and ask them to remind you every time you swear. It's hard to be conscious of one's own language at times and being reminded by others can be annoying in the short run (as in, when someone calls you out for the fifth time that sentence) but really helps to make you more aware of how you speak, and to find substitutes in your speech.
- if possible, get those around you to cut down as well - what helped me the most was probably that the people around me stopped swearing. (not because I told them to, just as a sort of common decision) I find I tend to adapt to the language that I hear, and pick up and drop words and ways of speech as they are used by those around me.

That's basically all the advice I can give. I'm trying to break my own habit of constantly using the Norwegian equivalents of "like" and "sort of" as filler words, and as you say it's really hard to break a speech pattern. Luckily, my father has decided to annoy me to death by asking "is it LIKE that, or is it that?" every time I slip up, so it's getting better. :P

(also, woo for using fantasy swearwords! I desperately want to start including Clockwork Orange words into my normal vocabulary.)

droogie I am tryna quit cussin, not smoking cigarettes.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Radical AC on 23 Nov 2009, 16:14
There is a not swearing jar in our household.  Every time you say, for example, "darn" instead of "damn" you have to put in some change.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Thomas Edison on 23 Nov 2009, 16:28
I never understood why people are so horrified by swearing? I can understand being offended if someone calls you fat or ugly, but I've never felt offended when someone says "cunt" or whatever at me.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Heranje on 23 Nov 2009, 16:46
droogie I am tryna quit cussin, not smoking cigarettes.

My appy-polly loggies, droogie. I tend to go on too long about most things.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Eris on 23 Nov 2009, 17:50
I can understand being offended if someone calls you fat or ugly, but I've never felt offended when someone says "cunt" or whatever at me.

I am the same way. I was called a cunt at school by a guy because I was sitting in a seat he wanted to sit in. I didn't go and cry in a corner, I ignored him. When my friends told me I was a freak because I wasn't swooning over a guy like the were, I got really upset. This was even before I started hanging around people who swore a lot, and I grew up in a family who would only et us say 'shut up' to dogs. I think words take on the impact you want them to, and really, swear words aren't even really the adjectives they started out as any more, they are more abstract, so they are losing their impact that way as well as through oversaturation. Calling me a cunt doesn't make me think I have just been called a vagina, or even the more negative associations to do with it; it's just being called something that society has deemed "bad" so I have been called a bad word and should feel bad. I am not a little kid and that isn't going to work on me.

I can't really help with the stopping of swearing thing, though. Sorry! Maybe try thinking out what you want to say a bit more before speaking so you don't use filler swears?
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Alex C on 23 Nov 2009, 17:52
There is a not swearing jar in our household.  Every time you say, for example, "darn" instead of "damn" you have to put in some change.

I like this idea. A lot of euphemisms rather annoy me.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 23 Nov 2009, 17:54
Man fuck not swearing. Profanity is cunting awesome. Granted I work in a job where I am basically forced to take other people's shit with big fucking grin on my face and a spring in my step so I quite enjoy swearing whenever I fuck damn feel like it. Luckily I'm smart enough to know when not to swear (job interviews, answering questions from the police, talking to my grandma) and when it's ok (pretty much every other time). Does it make me sound uncouth? Yeah probably. Do I care even a little? Not that much! In fact it's almost like a challenge to swear as much as possible while still sounding eloquent. Helldamnfart!
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KharBevNor on 23 Nov 2009, 17:56
I would suggest that you shouldn't announce your latest shallow affectation beforehand, you should just do it.

Like when I took up smoking a pipe, it would have been retarded to inform people a month in advance. It makes it transparenly a pathetic cry for people to pay attention to you, rather than probably a pathetic cry to for people to pay attention to you.

Don't worry, it's not catostrophic. I suggest you drop this one, then, a couple of months down the line, when someone asks you if you want a drink, you casually mention you have given up drinking. People will then pay attention to you in that situation for up to an hour, and you will feel awesome.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: öde on 23 Nov 2009, 17:58
Where was that shop that does pipe tobacco, Holburns?
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KharBevNor on 23 Nov 2009, 17:59
Down Wimbourne road, yeah.

I suggest Three Nuns. My grand-dad smoked that, and it literally ate his brain, so it must have been doing something right.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: öde on 23 Nov 2009, 18:00
Neat.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: DonInKansas on 23 Nov 2009, 19:08
I've noticed myself using Wheel Of Time swear words when typing English stuff. I guess it's because I'm trying to read through them all before getting to 12, but still, this shouldn't happen.

Mother's milk in a cup, I don't know what you're flaming talking about.

Having kids has REALLY curbed my swearing.  It's kinda hard to feel good about using lewd language with their little eyes loooking up at you and their brains sucking in everything you do.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: phooey on 23 Nov 2009, 19:49
droogie
droogie.

Ugh, there were these guys I saw at a Halloween party that had impeccable Clockwork Orange costumes (seriously where the fuck do you even get a codpiece), but totally ruined the effect by not understanding even the most tame Burgess slang.  They seemed pretty far gone though so maybe I just caught them at a bad time.

Yeah, it still bothers me.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: BrittanyMarie on 23 Nov 2009, 19:57
I'm with Jimmy on this one, only I do swear in front of my grandma. I will also argue with someone if they do try to call me out, it is a word and I will cuss whenever I feel like it. No one's offended by the words themselves, they're offended at the connotations of a person who swears a lot.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Candle on 23 Nov 2009, 20:04
how to quit swearing:
step 1- stop swearing so much
step 2- success. now you're a classy bastard
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Kugai on 23 Nov 2009, 20:37
I swear when I'm annoyed.  Mostly I find I substitute a lot of Sci-Fi 'Swear Words' when I'm only mildly annoyed.

As with all things, it's the context of the thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCtvkxKA6Fc

:D
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: SirJuggles on 23 Nov 2009, 20:51
I dunno. I don't swear, just on principle, ever, and haven't for a couple years now. In middle school when we all learned dirty words it was the coolest thing in the world, but sometime in high school I realized that we all sounded like idiots. And I'd rather be the one who stands out for not swearing. So ever since then I've sectioned off a category of words I just don't use. I understand that they're just words that don't have to mean anything. But we give them power by the way we use them. And if I use them every day... well then they don't really have much meaning or shock value. But when I swore a few months ago for the first time in... 3 years, I think? All my friends freaked out, because they knew I was serious. Same with yelling. I yelled at someone once in high school drumline and the entire band just snapped into silence because they didn't know it was possible.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 23 Nov 2009, 20:56
You have exactly identified the reason I don't really care about swearing.  They're just words.  We give them power by saying that we shouldn't use them.  Of course, if I'm in a situation where swearing will cause me more trouble than it's worth (I'm pretty sure I outlined that scenario), then I just stop doing it.  How do I tell people I'm being serious?  I'll let you know if it happens.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: calenlass on 23 Nov 2009, 21:01
Open letter to those who regularly swear in languages that aren't commonly used otherwise by yourself or those around you:

To whom it may concern,

No, you're not saying it right.
Yeah, you prolly sound like an idiot.

Regards and well wishes,
Phooey


Sometimes I just start talking and words come out of my mouth in other languages. It gets kind of hard sometimes because like my mom speaks spanish and english but not german and my grandparents have some bastardised german and gaidhlig, and my best friend speaks french, so not everything I say is mutually intelligible to everyone. I don't do it on purpose, though, and I can usually catch myself once I notice the funny looks, but on the rare occasions I stop thinking about what I say before I say it, I speak whatever word comes to mind first. This includes cursing. So I guess I am sorry that sometimes I think in other languages? Or that my brain supplies them as the best and most suitable word for the circumstances? I dunno.

(The best incident of this code-switching so far is when I threw "gilipollas" and "pinche" and "pato" into the same mostly-english sentence and happened to be talking to a guy from the Canary Islands. He was very confused, even though no german or anything else made it in, and pointed it out.)


So, in other words, fuck off.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 23 Nov 2009, 21:04
I was going to comment on the same thing happening, but I just figured that sort of thing falls under the "languages commonly used otherwise by yourself or those around you."
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: I is Grammar on 23 Nov 2009, 21:22
I, most of the time, have a mouth like a sailor.  I swear on a regular basis.  However, like other people have mentioned, when I am truly angry, I will cut out the swear words.  When I begin to over-enunciate words and drop all swearing is when people who know me will begin to worry. 

But other than inappropriate times (around boyfriend's parents/my grandmother/small children, at jobs) I have every intention of swearing to my heart's delight.  I thoroughly enjoy calling people thundercunts.  And if they get offended, they can go away. 
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Jimor on 23 Nov 2009, 22:07
As a writer, I find the whole subject quite fascinating. How certain words in different cultures take on this taboo aspect, and even then it matters exactly how a concept is stated for it to become vulgar. Does saying 'shit' instead of 'poop' really make it worse? Why is it ok to use substitutes like 'frak' on TV when everybody knows exactly what it's standing in for?

Then there's that whole weird Quebec thing with church terms being used as the ultimate in swearing.

And if we do succeed in desensitizing the world to 'fuck', will something else merely take its place? Do we have to have taboo words for language to function? If there were no swear words, what would we say when we smash our thumb with the hammer?

Years of working retail has led me to generally be careful. It's usually when I go to science fiction conventions for a few days and hang around with other writers that my fucking tongue finally loosens up, but then it takes me a few days to rein all that shit back in again.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 23 Nov 2009, 22:24
how to quit swearing:
step 1- stop swearing so much
step 2-start wearing a top hat and monocle
step 3-success, you are now a classy bastard

FYP
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: sean on 23 Nov 2009, 23:20
i would like to swear less because jimmy's proposition is a goddamn tough one.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: sean on 23 Nov 2009, 23:21
aw who the fuck am i kidding cussin' is fun
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: sean on 23 Nov 2009, 23:22
lets have a thread where we just do a bunch of cussin' and stuff.

you know, something that would make our mothers pretty sad.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 23 Nov 2009, 23:22
I'm down.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 23 Nov 2009, 23:24
I'm up for it. Fuck you scarred.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 23 Nov 2009, 23:24
Fuck let's make it this fucking thread right here. It seems like the only logical progression anyway. Besides we could be, dare I say it, The Dirtiest Dudes in Town! Cockbiscuit!
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 23 Nov 2009, 23:37
You shit eating cocky motherfucker.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 23 Nov 2009, 23:37
I mean, how the fuck can we do that?
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 23 Nov 2009, 23:42
By being a total cunt-eating douchebag, like you!
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pwhodges on 24 Nov 2009, 00:03
Swearing constantly doesn't  make the words lose their power, it simply makes them less satisfying to the user and their circle while continuing to offend strangers and generally making the user sound an ignorant lout.

Just grow up, losers.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Alex C on 24 Nov 2009, 00:08
That doesn't sound too bad to me, but then again, I am hell of ignorant.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pilsner on 24 Nov 2009, 00:31
Swearing constantly doesn't  make the words lose their power, it simply makes them less satisfying to the user and their circle while continuing to offend strangers and generally making the user sound an ignorant lout.

Just grow up, losers.

That would depend largely on the vernacular or idiom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM) present in your immediate environment, wouldn't it you fucktard?

Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pwhodges on 24 Nov 2009, 00:47
Indeed.  But IRL environments overlap, which gives the opportunity for people to get offended.

Of course, those who simply enjoy  offending people are not really ready for the wider society.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: scarred on 24 Nov 2009, 01:15
The whole concept of a swear word being offensive is just fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pwhodges on 24 Nov 2009, 01:25
Words are not necessarily offensive, but people get offended - not the same thing.

I am not offended by swearing; but I am saddened by people who use it so continuously that they have denied themselves the satisfaction of bringing it out when it would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pilsner on 24 Nov 2009, 02:07
On the other hand, through the normalization of taboo words, one is compelled to express emphasis through more subtle and expressive means.  Simultaneously, one explores and questions the dated and socially obsolete bases of these taboos:  the alimentary (shit), sexual (fuck, cunt, cock), and derogatory (bitch).  What may appear as overuse or misuse of conventional swears can therefore be seen as a socio-political statement -- in a culture where the underlying concepts have been demystified, why persist in their fetishization through supporting an apparent consensus that the words are taboo?

Certainly they may offend before the wrong audience, but what is the iconoclast if not someone daring enough to risk offending?  You say that the individual who enjoys  offending is not ready for society at large, and yet did not the greatest thinkers dare to offend and do we not now revere them for it:  Socrates, forced to drink the hemlock, Galileo, excommunicated and shunned, Lenny Bruce, not invited to some of the best parties.  Can we deny that these historic personages did not perversely enjoy the hostile reaction to their respective messages?

Further, the possibility of offense gives power to the shibboleth, and the swear becomes a tribal rite:  the swearer says to the swearee, we recognize this word for what it is, our gnosis solidifies into the unity of shared experience.  Watch the video I linked and question why David Simon put the dialogue:  Fuck, fuck, fuck, motherfucker, fuck, fuck, ad nauseum into the mouths of two of his favored protagonists.  I would posit that the two detectives are expressing their place in society, at once above and below it, as they exercise their craft accessing abilities and knowledge unknown and inaccessible to even their fellow detectives.  The expletives become their secret language, at once kabbalistic and occult.

Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: David_Dovey on 24 Nov 2009, 02:13
On the other hand, through the normalization of taboo words, one is compelled to express emphasis through more subtle and expressive means.

Or you could be like me (and Weedmaster P, I guess) and just start stringing swear words together in (mostly) nonsensical compound swears.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pilsner on 24 Nov 2009, 02:18
If we were a band of Huichol Indians living deep inside the Sierra Madre Mountains a hundred years before white man set foot on our continent, Weedmaster P would be our shaman.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pwhodges on 24 Nov 2009, 02:22
and yet did not the greatest thinkers dare to offend and do we not know revere them for it

It's a bit of a stretch to compare saying Fuck a lot with saying that the Earth goes round the Sun or that Mankind shares a common ancestry with the Apes (for instance).
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: pilsner on 24 Nov 2009, 02:26
Visionaries are so rarely understood in their time.  But yeah, I was just fucking around.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: jhocking on 24 Nov 2009, 07:13
OMG YOU SAID FUCK
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Barmymoo on 24 Nov 2009, 08:13
I don't know about stopping swearing but I know I started to swear a lot more when I worked with a bunch of late-teen, early-twenties guys in a fireplace warehouse. These days I swear more than I would like and in situations that aren't really appropriate (regardless of whether or not words are inherently offensive, I think it is plain rude to swear in front of small children whose parents may be investing a lot of time and effort into trying to shape their vocabluary not to include those words). When I fall on the rink, for instance, I usually swear involuntarily and then feel really bad about it.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Candle on 24 Nov 2009, 16:30
holy frig.
you guys are bad
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Post by: sean on 24 Nov 2009, 20:24
guys if you are going to cuss you gotta cuss well.

you gotta cuss like this
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Post by: sean on 24 Nov 2009, 20:26
(http://m.assetbar.com/uuafrXtpz.gif)
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Post by: Kugai on 24 Nov 2009, 20:37
Smeg
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Post by: sean on 24 Nov 2009, 20:40
gotta cuss like you actually mean it, you know?
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Post by: phooey on 25 Nov 2009, 06:24
So I guess I am sorry that sometimes I think in other languages? Or that my brain supplies them as the best and most suitable word for the circumstances? I dunno.

So, in other words, fuck off.

No, this is fine, I was pretty much railing against that whole milieux of manufactured poseur-ship of swearing from Quirky Foreign Words* you looked up online, or even that you learned from a TV show.  It's really forced and really irritating.  However, it's clearly a pet peeve, and this is clearly in my own personal opinion, but in my book you're okay.  And clearly fall into the category of
"languages commonly used otherwise by yourself or those around you."
  You can't help the way your mind works, clearly, and if it's the first word you come up with, go for it.  Those who don't know any other words in this language, however, and use it for the sole purpose of appearing quirky, unique, or worldly, earn a special brand of my ire.

*Having a 'catchphrase' is a little like this too.  Pretty much I just tend to encounter a bunch of people I find irritating.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Patrick on 25 Nov 2009, 06:53
The second is that you will offend people who are fluent in the language you've chosen.

This is not a problem when there are maybe 3 million people on the entire planet who know what "T'qift kina nonn" means and ain't one of them live in Alaska but me.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 25 Nov 2009, 09:18
I would suggest that you shouldn't announce your latest shallow affectation beforehand, you should just do it.

Like when I took up smoking a pipe, it would have been retarded to inform people a month in advance. It makes it transparenly a pathetic cry for people to pay attention to you, rather than probably a pathetic cry to for people to pay attention to you.

Don't worry, it's not catostrophic. I suggest you drop this one, then, a couple of months down the line, when someone asks you if you want a drink, you casually mention you have given up drinking. People will then pay attention to you in that situation for up to an hour, and you will feel awesome.

I already don't drink though. It's because I'm a hard man
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KharBevNor on 25 Nov 2009, 10:02
Don't Jews have to drink a little every now and then for religious reasons?
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 25 Nov 2009, 10:05
Yeah, but the commandment is second to preserving your own health (they all are, actually) so I skip the wine on friday nights and holidays so as I don't go to jail. I figure jail would be pretty unhealthy.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: jhocking on 25 Nov 2009, 10:09
Yeah I remember Muslims telling me that same thing about fasting for Ramadan, that they don't expect old people and invalids to fast because it wouldn't be good for their health.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KharBevNor on 25 Nov 2009, 11:54
Yeah, but the commandment is second to preserving your own health (they all are, actually) so I skip the wine on friday nights and holidays so as I don't go to jail.

I didn't know you'd moved to Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 25 Nov 2009, 13:15
puppydogg I can't even leave the state.
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Post by: Aurjay on 26 Nov 2009, 04:56
though it isnt swearing the most annoying thing of late for me is "thats what she said" as in person A saying something as innocuous as " It doesn't fit" and person B automatically replies " thats what she said." Granted there are many and I mean many opportunities for this lil verbal one two to be played out in but truthfully i find them all to be annoying.   
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 26 Nov 2009, 19:36
I'm quite fond of "that's what she said" but I think it works best when it doesn't work at all.

Person A: Hey, I'm going down to the shops.
Person B: That's what she said.
Person A: ...
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: JD on 26 Nov 2009, 19:47
She totally would say that though.
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Post by: Kugai on 26 Nov 2009, 22:14
Ahhhh frakit.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: J-cob9000 on 26 Nov 2009, 22:33
I am being brought up in a household where it is against the rules to say "shut up" and "darn" because they are bad words. Somehow this never sunk and I swear like a sailor when not around family.
Myself and friends frequently have in-depth conversations about which curse words to use and which ones are overused and have lost their true meaning.
For the record, my favorite swear words are bitch and shit. And the most overused is fuck and least used is cunt, although it is coming back in style.

So pretty much basically, I don't mind swearing a bit and I will keep doing it.
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Post by: Yayniall on 27 Nov 2009, 18:38
I swear like all the time cos i'm bare street like the band 'the streets'.
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Post by: Drill King on 28 Nov 2009, 06:40
Man, I have basically stopped swearing entirely, except when I'm around my school friends. I think the key to stop swearing is hang around prof/hipdip grown ups.

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Post by: Tom on 28 Nov 2009, 15:06
There's a veritable plethora of possible adjectives and such out there why stick with 10 or 20 words?
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Post by: schimmy on 28 Nov 2009, 16:12
If a large vocabulary is what you're after, why restrict yourself from using those 10 or 20 words?
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 28 Nov 2009, 18:29
Exactly.  It seems that the assumption is that if people swear, they don't use other adjectives.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: BrittanyMarie on 28 Nov 2009, 22:04
i just add the cuss in the middle. like "it is free-fucking-zing", or "this bourbon is de-fucking-licious". adjectives, adverbs, nouns, i consider them enhanced with a swear in em. though maybe how i feel about swear words (ie that the only people who whine about a swear word are really annoying people who just want to be offended by something) is based on the fact that i grew up working class, whereas i'm sure most of you fuckers probably grew up middle class
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Zingoleb on 28 Nov 2009, 22:13
"it is free-fucking-zing"

hmm
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Post by: BrittanyMarie on 28 Nov 2009, 22:14
it's funner and more zappy than freerunning
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Post by: scarred on 28 Nov 2009, 22:18
freefuckingrunning!
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Post by: KharBevNor on 30 Nov 2009, 08:35
fuckfuckinging?
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Post by: J-cob9000 on 30 Nov 2009, 17:08
I swear like all the time cos i'm bare street like the band 'the streets'.
oh my god it's only one guy what are you dumb or something?
fuck.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: KharBevNor on 30 Nov 2009, 17:15
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Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Yayniall on 30 Nov 2009, 17:38
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Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: J-cob9000 on 30 Nov 2009, 19:26
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Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2009, 22:45
[DaveBowmanVoice]

"My God, it's full of swear words!!"

[/DaveBowmanVoice]
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Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Dec 2009, 00:29
poop
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Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Dec 2009, 00:30
Oh god I am so terrible at this
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Post by: Dliessmgg on 01 Dec 2009, 01:21
poooooooooooooooooooooooooop!
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Post by: pwhodges on 01 Dec 2009, 01:38
Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers!

(Flanders and Swann (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070527175030AAMvOX9))
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Post by: MrBlu on 01 Dec 2009, 02:12
I've had the hardest time trying to stop swearing.

I don't now tho'. I may slip up every now and then when I'm heated.
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Dec 2009, 03:32
I think everyone has the right to swear now and then if you're lit on fire, though

Standing there calmly and going, "My, this is painful" doesn't seem to have the same ring to it.

Annnnnd now I'm picturing Morgan Freeman doing just that
Title: Re: Swearing
Post by: HellStorm on 05 Dec 2009, 08:27
Willy. (amidoingitrite?)

I think someone should conduct an experiment. Tell someone that they can NOT swear for a day, and see how many tell you to fuck off right there, how many fuck up and how many people last the whole fucking day.

Fuck.