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Title: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2009, 22:42
Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls

My one and only comment on the whole sorry mess.


(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f50/Kugai2/BladeTwilight.jpg)
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Post by: NeverQuiteGoth on 30 Nov 2009, 22:57
I lol'd.

Seriously, the whole Twilight thing has gotten so out of hand. I'm not a fan or a hater, so sitting back and watching the chaos would be majorly entertaining if it wasn't so much eroding my already flimsy faith in humanity.
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Post by: Eris on 30 Nov 2009, 22:58
My thoughts on the matter. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,21093.0.html)

Did that picture merit a whole thread? I know any Twilight thread is going to end with it being ripped apart and shat on and I would probably be one of the people pointing out how terrible it is, but seriously, couldn't that have gone in the pointless thread (where it has actually already been posted before anyway)? What did you want to come out of this thread?

Also, the New Moon movie was ridiculously, hilariously, stupid.
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Post by: scarred on 30 Nov 2009, 23:01
As long as Rifftrax keeps doing overdubs on these movies, I'll keep renting them. That shit is hilar.
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Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2009, 23:06
My thoughts on the matter. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,21093.0.html)

Did that picture merit a whole thread? I know any Twilight thread is going to end with it being ripped apart and shat on and I would probably be one of the people pointing out how terrible it is, but seriously, couldn't that have gone in the pointless thread (where it has actually already been posted before anyway)? What did you want to come out of this thread?

Also, the New Moon movie was ridiculously, hilariously, stupid.

OK

Eris, I didn't see your Thread - Honest.

And I did look.

Maybe I need glasses.
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Post by: Eris on 30 Nov 2009, 23:10
I know that came off kinda bitchy and all, the thread was on maybe the 5th page or something. It was the top (under this thread) result when i searched for Twilight, though. I am genuinely interested in what you wanted to come out of this thread, though. Were you just expecting everyone to say how much they hate the series?
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Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2009, 23:14
No, I just didn't realise or see there was already a Twilight Thread, so I thought I'd start one.


Your opinion's your own - All I did was state mine and if I'd known or actually seen there was one, (a Thread that is), I would have stuck that pic there.
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Post by: Be My Head on 30 Nov 2009, 23:45
(http://image.com.com/filmspot/images/MovieTome/blog/TwilightCondoms.jpg)

(http://image.com.com/filmspot/images/MovieTome/blog/TwilightDoolWithAbs.jpg)
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Post by: scarred on 30 Nov 2009, 23:54
(http://blogs.nerve.com/drupal/sites/default/files/uploads/tools/2009/08/twilight-dildo.jpg)
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Post by: Kugai on 01 Dec 2009, 00:00
*Spork Spork Spork*


What has been seen . . . . . .
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Post by: scarred on 01 Dec 2009, 00:07
CANNOT BE UNSEEN

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs43/f/2009/161/c/5/edward_cullen_new_moon_by_lildevilme.jpg)

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Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Dec 2009, 02:50
Crossposting 'cos it's actually relevant in this thread

I do however virulently hate Twilight  because it's not just a really poorly written book with a lot of creepily dedicated fans (bad enough, but certainly nothing new) but because it's a book aimed at young girls which glorifies a lot of really unhealthy attitudes towards relationships, sex and self-worth. All of the fuss over Harry Potter gave me the shits but I think Twilight is actually harmful to society, so it nspires more than the usual vitriol.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Dec 2009, 14:57
Aw Dovey I just wanted to see the funny things not the serious shit

(http://pics.livejournal.com/robpattinsonluv/pic/00023b7w/s320x240)
fap fap fap unf unf unf
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Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Dec 2009, 15:21
That condom must be the most effective contraceptive in existence.
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Post by: Ikrik on 01 Dec 2009, 15:25
I would totally love to have a discussion about how Twilight is a horrible thing for young girls to read and emulate. I just saw New Moon and dear god the number of times both Edward and Jacob threaten or abuse Bella is mind-boggling.  She falls completely and utterly in love in 3 months to guys who treat her like crap, threaten her life constantly, and abuse her all the same.  But she "loves" them and wants to be with them no matter what because Edward "loves" her too.  Or something like that.  And if one more parent tells me that teenage girls don't pick up on that and emulate it I will strangle them.  It seems no one understands teenagers less than mothers of teenagers.

And now that my tirade is over, New Moon is not nearly as good as Twilight for the lulz.  Mainly because it's longer.  And filled with scenes that are useless.  The acting is still horrible.  
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Post by: JD on 01 Dec 2009, 16:23
Required posting (http://current.com/items/91503916_vampires-hollywood-bloodsuckers.htm)
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Post by: Avec on 01 Dec 2009, 16:28
Twilight fans are the bottom-feeders of the world. I forget who mentioned it before, but the cliche totally fits as the fans of the series have never really read any other book.
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Post by: JD on 01 Dec 2009, 16:31
People on this board have read twilight
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Post by: Avec on 01 Dec 2009, 16:47
I apologize for the sweeping generalization; the kids at my school have never read a book besides Twilight.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Dec 2009, 17:15
I've got a friend that loves the twilight books. The only other books I know him to have read voluntarily are 1984 and Sir Apropos of Nothing. I can't figure out how those three are connected.
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Post by: Lines on 01 Dec 2009, 17:21
Beat you to the punch.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/andthentherewaslindsey/7423_564016888980_50908475_33375669.jpg)

But seriously, Twilight is one of the most ridiculous series ever and I get many a laugh from it.
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Post by: JD on 01 Dec 2009, 17:27
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3314/3453811290_478164eb67_o.jpg)
"Stay away from me Bella!"
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Post by: scarred on 01 Dec 2009, 19:11
(http://stuff.pyzam.com/funnypics/7/1400.jpg)
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Post by: Lines on 01 Dec 2009, 19:32
I don't understand what is happening here:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/andthentherewaslindsey/vanityfair2.jpg)
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Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Dec 2009, 20:04
They were probably dicking around and trying to forget that they are in for another whole movie of the same shit. Neither of them like the series.
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Post by: scarred on 01 Dec 2009, 22:24
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All of the fuss over Harry Potter gave me the shits but I think Twilight is actually harmful to society, so it inspires more than the usual vitriol.

Please. Twilight's as harmful to society as Harry Potter, Jane Eyre, Transformers, or Star Wars.

This article (http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/) does a pretty stellar job of explaining just why the Twilight series is detrimental to society.

Choice excerpts:

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Bella spends the rest of the book going crazy, imagining Edward's voice and partaking in ever more self-destructive activities. During this time she befriends Jacob Black, who turns out to be a werewolf but is still way better for her than Edward. She finally regains Edward's attention after she deliberately jumps off a cliff and almost dies. Edward, being a thirteen-year-old girl, thinks Bella has died and goes to Italy to commit suicide. He attempts to do this by exposing himself to the sun at noon in an Italian town. Since sunlight doesn't actually harm Twilight vampires, one must assume that Edward is hoping some macho Italians will see him in at full sparkle and beat him to death for being gay.

Bella teams up with Edward's sister Alice, who turns out to be straight and taken but is still way better for her than Edward, to rescue her ex from his emoness. After a crazy mix up that finds Bella and Edward temporarily in an Anne Rice novel, Edward reaccepts her.

This novel thus teaches two important lessons to young girls everywhere:

1) If a guy dumps you and says he doesn't love you anymore, he doesn't mean it. All you have to do is beg and destroy your life to prove that you really love him, and he'll come right back and love you even more!

2) It is perfectly cool to string along innocent but decent guys who are crushing on you and then dump them immediately as soon as your ex-boyfriend reappears, and totally normal if said ex-boyfriend forbids you from seeing your old friend. After all, your love for your ex must be far stronger, because he makes you feel 'alive' and 'dangerous' since he's always on the verge of killing you. And stalking you. We can't really mention that enough.

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The plot revolves around a villain from the first book, who is stalking Bella. But this is just a background to the real plot, which is about Edward stalking Bella. The book focuses on the choice Bella must make between Jacob Black and Edward Cullen, two tall, good-looking, devoted men with cool supernatural abilities. This is exactly the kind of problem that normal women face every day.

Halfway through, Stephenie Meyer realizes that Jacob Black is far cooler than Edward and performs a quick character assassination by having him mouth-rape her. Bella punches him and runs away, but later discovers she loves him, which teaches us more lessons:

1) If a girl says she doesn't love you, just keep sexually assaulting her. Eventually she'll realize she likes it.

2) Leading two guys on for years because you 'love them both' is perfectly acceptable, as long as you feel really bad about it at some point.

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Right before they have sex, Meyer remembers that she's writing out her fantasies for an audience now, and so she abruptly pulls a PG-13 "fade-to-black", disappointing any male Twilight fans who were hoping for a closer look at Edward.

When Bella wakes up, she is covered in feathers because the sex was so rough and passionate that Edward bit a pillow. Then Edward points out that Bella is covered in bruises. She brushes off his concern and then the two of them whine about how unhappy they are now because they've made each other unhappy by being unhappy, and then we kind of stopped reading for a couple of minutes. But we learned a few more things:

1) It doesn't matter if he hurts you

2) He only did it because he loves you.

Excluding all the questionable sex, you might start to think that maybe this book isn't an entirely bad influence on teenage girls, with its 'don't go to bed with anyone unless he has proven that he loves you' message. And then Stephenie Meyer takes that trust, uses it to get your address and credit card numbers, and then breaks into your house and poisons your dog.
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Post by: scarred on 02 Dec 2009, 00:25
Agatha Christie books aren't targeted at tweens.
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 02 Dec 2009, 02:56
Man, that is some bull shit. After reading a book, most people do not go on to lead their life as if they were the lead character of the book. Those are good arguments when discussing Twilight as a literary work (and possibly when discussing the mind of Stephanie Meyer), but I think calling the books "detrimental to society" is way harsh. In this way you could argue that Agatha Christie novels are detrimental to society because it presents murder as an upper-class puzzle game.

That's rather different though, since that aspect of the books isn't practical to emulate. Even if you did decide to be like Poirot people are unlikely to start mysteriously dying every time you go on holiday and attempts to involve yourself in any cases that do arise will be quashed due to your unfortunate lack of an international reputation as a Belgian super-sleuth with a superb moustache. If a murder investigation was something people were very likely to find themselves in without warning then Agathe Christie might have been remiss to suggest there will always be enough evidence to identify the murderer and they'll be certain to fall for the trap you lay to force them into giving themselves away and never, ever bump you off at the first available opportunity.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 02 Dec 2009, 04:12
Man, that is some bull shit. After reading a book, most people do not go on to lead their life as if they were the lead character of the book.
[...]
You are forgetting that children are stupid.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Dec 2009, 07:42
Large amounts of people aren't creepily obsessed with Agatha Christie books (as far as I know), either.
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Post by: Liz on 02 Dec 2009, 08:08
More pictures of Rpattz and Kristen Stewart behaving oddly in a field, please.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 09:21
Large amounts of people aren't creepily obsessed with Agatha Christie books (as far as I know), either.

How come every time I see your avatar I think it's Rick Astley
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Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Dec 2009, 09:23
Because you've got awful taste in music
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 09:23
It's true. I totally bought a Rick Astley tape yesterday for 10 cents.

I'm more sort of  used to seeing Clapton with the beard/long hair/Cream look
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Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Dec 2009, 09:26
I honestly can't tell whether yr being facetious or not
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 09:29
Not in the slightest. I also got two swing tapes, some Mendelssohn and some Rachmaninov, but I couldn't pass up buying "Never Gonna Give You Up" for a dime.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Dec 2009, 09:34
No the Clapton thing (it's Elvis Costello (http://www.misturinha.com/2/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/elvis-costello-photograph-c10101923.jpg), dogg)
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 09:37
Oh shit








Oh shit you're right

I am terrible at identifying people with no facial features to speak of, I swear

I feel stupid
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Post by: JD on 02 Dec 2009, 11:45
I thought it was Buddy Holly.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 12:35
I'd turn down all three for the role of Edward Cullen myself.
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 02 Dec 2009, 13:07
Well obviously nobody will do anything like that just because a fictional character did and no one book or film could ever be held responsible for someone getting hurt, but surely you don't think culture has no effect on people's behaviour or thinking?
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Post by: Yunior on 02 Dec 2009, 14:49
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Yesterday night I couldnt go to sleep because my crush had denied me so I grabbed my Eclipse book and read where Edward said “You are the only one who has touched my heart, It will always be yours, sleep my only love.” and I pretended I was Bella and cried myself to sleep. Edward is perfect. MLIT

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Yesterday morning, I told my boyfriend that he should come into my house through my window like Edward to watch me sleep. He did. MLIT!!

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Sigh...I'm seriously considering breaking up with my boyfriend of 4 years because I want to be loved the way Edward loves Bella. Does that even exist anymore?

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Today, I had to have blood drawn. When I very nearly fainted afterwards (much like Bella and blood-typing), I secretly wished Edward would appear to carry me and cool my head with his icy hands. MLIT.

MLIT (http://mylifeistwilight.com/)
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Post by: Yunior on 02 Dec 2009, 14:50
So are you guys Team Edward or Team Jacob?

Team Jacob for life, T. Laut is such a total babe.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 15:34
Team Edward because my name is Edward and fuck you
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Post by: Liz on 02 Dec 2009, 15:40
Jacob is arguably ten times hotter than Edward. No joke.

That being said both of them can suck a dick. Probably each other's to avoid contaminating anyone else.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 02 Dec 2009, 15:44
Would pay to see this
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Post by: Yunior on 02 Dec 2009, 15:47
Probably each other's to avoid contaminating anyone else.

This is going to make such a great plot twist for my fanfic, thanks Liz.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Dec 2009, 17:27
I'm Team Tyler's Van. The whole damn series could have been over within the first 100 pages of the first book if Edward hadn't gotten there in time.
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Post by: scarred on 02 Dec 2009, 17:39
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Yesterday night I couldnt go to sleep because my crush had denied me so I grabbed my Eclipse book and read where Edward said “You are the only one who has touched my heart, It will always be yours, sleep my only love.” and I pretended I was Bella and cried myself to sleep. Edward is perfect. MLIT

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Yesterday morning, I told my boyfriend that he should come into my house through my window like Edward to watch me sleep. He did. MLIT!!

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Sigh...I'm seriously considering breaking up with my boyfriend of 4 years because I want to be loved the way Edward loves Bella. Does that even exist anymore?

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Today, I had to have blood drawn. When I very nearly fainted afterwards (much like Bella and blood-typing), I secretly wished Edward would appear to carry me and cool my head with his icy hands. MLIT.

MLIT (http://mylifeistwilight.com/)


oh, god I hate being right.
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Post by: Surgoshan on 02 Dec 2009, 21:39
Agatha Christie books aren't targeted at tweens.

er, neither are the Twilight books, dude.

Yes they are.  Last year I worked as both a middle and high school teacher.  The youngest student (among hundreds) I saw reading a Shitfuck* was 12.  The eldest was 15.  When I expand the circle of people I know who have read Shitfuck*, I am forced to include my friend Sara, who is 30, and who dropped out of college to work at Disneyworld before getting pregnant and moving back in with her parents.

Twilight is the world of First Crush, wherein the person who you adore who is beautiful who can do no wrong is THE ONE. 

And THE ONE happens to be a creepy, abusive proto-rapist.

*Twilight
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Post by: JD on 02 Dec 2009, 22:12
I read Agatha Christie in middle school.
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Post by: JD on 02 Dec 2009, 22:17
Then my mom tried to get me to read Fountainhead.
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Post by: JD on 02 Dec 2009, 22:22
Canadian Goes On A Murderous Spree, News At 11
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Post by: Alex C on 02 Dec 2009, 23:03
A killing spree would be a pretty serious overreaction to reading the Fountainhead. After all, Rand is already dead.
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Post by: Alex C on 02 Dec 2009, 23:05
She died about a week before I was born too; I consider this a small blessing.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Dec 2009, 23:45
Of course it does, but the article linked says that the book "teaches young girls a lesson", which is different from the subtle influence a single movie or book is likely to have on your views - the word "teaching" makes it sound a) as if Meyer has gone out of her way to labor the point, that this is something she actually wants to get across, rather than simply being the result of her being a terrible writer,

Meyer does very little but labor her points. One of the main stylistic gripes with the book is just how much space she devotes to describing just how amazingly beautiful Edward is, or how wonderful and romantic his and Bella's relationship is, or the whole clunky vampire bite=premarital sex metaphor.
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Post by: Liz on 03 Dec 2009, 08:45
This is going to make such a great plot twist for my fanfic, thanks Liz.

I didn't mean to.

I swear.
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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 12:04
She's placed in the "Young Adult" section of the bookstore and I don't know about you but the last time I was back in those hallowed halls was when I was 12.

If that's not tween than you're a fucking idiot.
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Post by: Ikrik on 03 Dec 2009, 12:15
Oh Jeans, I see the point you're trying to make but you're making it miserably. Showing us Disney products aimed at young tweens and then saying that Twilight isn't that great.The target audience for Twilight IS tweens.  10-15 year old girls.  Just because a large number of people read Twilight and are older doesn't mean that the book isn't marketed at them.  God, now I just read some interviews from the makers of the Twilight movie about how they have a huge fanbase of women in their 30's and fourties.  My rage for Twilight grows ever stronger. 

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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 12:53
Jeans: Young Adult Fiction is generally defined as suitable for ages 9 and above. Twilight is Young Adult Fiction.

I'm not saying that loads of 9-year-olds read Twilight but unless I'm mistaken, the average Twilight reader (who is 10 to 15) is a "young adult." And you keep dodging the fact that most Twilight readers are 10 to 15 year old girls. So I don't know what to tell you, because you live in your own little world full of denial unicorns.
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Post by: öde on 03 Dec 2009, 12:59
Have you?
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Post by: öde on 03 Dec 2009, 13:00
And it's a good thing tweens aren't at all interested in sex, or being whisked away to an exciting, sexier world by a magical being, otherwise they'd all be reading/seeing Twilight.
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Post by: evilbobthebob on 03 Dec 2009, 13:08
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/112008/liv_358123107.shtml

oh look a lot of 12 year olds. Also 18 year olds, and a lot of middle aged women too.
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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 13:42
Augh sorry. I didn't mean to get personal. Finals are starting and I pulled an all-nighter last night, and on top of that Twilight just makes me raeg irrationally. As for the age thing, most of my opinions are based off of experiences with crowds like these:

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb52/The_Playlist/twilight_fans.jpg)

Which I find mildly disturbing because the object of their undying affection... well, to put it in the words of Rifftrax, "Their relationship is based off of him not killing her. That's healthy."

I guess if the books were written even half-competently I wouldn't have half the beef with them I do now. It's the combined frustration with poor storytelling and distaste of rabid, obsessive fandom that really irks me.
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Post by: Eris on 03 Dec 2009, 14:00
I would say that the books are aimed towards teen readers, seeing the main characters (other than like, parents), are 16/17/18, with some outliers in the 20s, but they are seen as parents as well. Having characters a similar age, especially for stuff like YA fiction, makes it easier for the readers to relate to. A 15-yar-old girl is (generally) not going to care about a 40-year-old man's story, she is going to want to read about something she can relate to, and at the moment in her life she can relate to, uh, school life and crushes?

The majority of the book is about School Life and Crushes/First Love. Teenagers are, like tweens, pretty impressionable, especially in the early teens. Those pictures you showed of the Twilight stuff seem targeted to teens and older. I agree that tweens are probably a bit young, but I disagree that this should make any influence on the readers be dismissed. The Twilight books are taking themselves seriously and the (probably unconscious/unintentional) subtext in there is something that teenagers probably don't take much notice of, but that doesn't mean that they aren't taking it in. Especially with such bland characters that readers can project themselves onto, it makes it easier for them to have fantasies about being in the twilight universe and having Edward love them forever and all that bullshit. I am not saying that adults don't do that (Mills and Boon books sell ridiculously well for that same reason), but that it is probably something more to worry about with the younger readers.

Also, I would argue that there is plenty of sexuality with Miley Cyrus, but that is for another thread maybe.
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Post by: Kugai on 03 Dec 2009, 14:46
Must . . . . Read . . . . Seven Wonders . . . . before . . . . . brain . . . . . fries
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Post by: supersheep on 03 Dec 2009, 15:16
STAAAATS

Because I am odd like that, and also need to practice my ability with the old stats concept, I did some fancy stats mangling on this. Median age was 20, and modal age was 15, with 10% of the votes. Standard deviation from the mean is 9.25 years. Ages 9-16 account for 28% of the sample. 32 are under 15, 111 under 20, and over 75% of Twilight fans are aged 26 or younger.

What conclusions can we draw from this?
1. The sample is self-selecting, and therefore we cannot know if it is representative of even the forum, let alone Twilight readers as a whole.
2. Assuming that it is representative, though, we can assume that the average Twilight reader is between 13 and 31 (80%), tending towards the lower half of this range - I'm sure there's a mathsy way of doing this, but I'ma guess 17 as the 'average' Twilight reader's age.
3. This Tesco Finest Fish Pie for Two is delicious but I am still hungry.
4. I have WAY too much time on my hands.

If the pernicious cultural influence of a text like this is not apparent, when it deliberately promotes such horrible values to an audience one third of which is under 16, you probably should go off and have a long hard think about just how pervasive many elements of modern culture are. The parallels between Twilight's fetishisation of an abusive relationship and the world's fetishisation of a particular body-type are pretty apparent to me - and look how well that body-fetishisation has served us.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Dec 2009, 16:21
Eris, I find that a lot of young adult books have characters a few years older than their target audience, if we are using the bizarre young adult definition of late elementary to about the end of junior high (9-13 or so). Probably to tap into the aspect of them being cool because they are older, so they have to be cool, regardless of how well they are actually written. Perhaps my point of view is skewed more than I think it is (I was reading 4th-5th grade books in 1st grade, and reading at a college level by 5th, according to the tests they kept having me take), but from my memory, YA books tend to have protagonists in their teens, how far into their teens tends to vary depending on what part of YA they are aiming at. A huge amount of the fandom that I have seen does seem to be late elementary to high school, with a majority in junior high.

I wouldn't trust the age results on an online poll, too many people lying.
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Post by: Caleb on 03 Dec 2009, 16:40
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/daschakal/elvisvsrickvsbuddy.png)

(http://www.gunshowcomic.com/comics/20080918.gif)
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Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Dec 2009, 16:46
Caleb, you are a librarian, right? What have you seen with regards to Twilight's demographic (unless you already said it and I missed it, in which case point it out)?
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Post by: NeverQuiteGoth on 03 Dec 2009, 17:20
I guess if the books were written even half-competently I wouldn't have half the beef with them I do now. It's the combined frustration with poor storytelling and distaste of rabid, obsessive fandom that really irks me.

This.

Twilight, to me, is pretty much the ultimate example of poor execution of an idea. (Though the Eragon movie comes in a close second. No, wait, that was worse...)

The thing that bugs me more than anything else, is that the book, "The Host", proves that Stephenie Meyer can actually write a good story. The Host is vastly far and above Twilight in every single way, yet most people, even a lot of Twilight fangirls, haven't even heard of it. And the premise for Twilight, while not by any stretch, genius, isn't really as stupid as people make it out to be. There are a lot of interesting elements and ideas in there that, in the right hands, could have made for a very interesting narrative.

So, why does the quadrilogy suck so much then?

Well, obviously, its very badly written. That's the most glaring flaw, but like it or not, her stunted prose is very, VERY easy to read. I wonder if this was accidental or actually done intentionally. SOMETHING has made these book spread through the tween and teenage population like wildfire, and the ease with which kids can actually get through the books probably has something to do with that.

Something else that only became apparent to me after I read The Host, and the released partial manuscript for Midnight Sun, is that in the Quadrilogy, Bella's point of view is very, very twisted, but this bizzare point of view was so poorly executed, that it brought the whole story down because it could only be seen through Bella's eyes. After reading Midnight Sun, it's clear that Meyer had a very clear picture of Bella as a character, and she is by no means meant to be a role-model, or even remotely sane or ordinary. Bella is more of a freak than Edward.
In my opinion, Twilight would have been a very, very different story if it had been written in the third-person, rather than from bella's perspective. Or even from any of the other character's perspectives. But it wasn't, so I guess we'll never know.

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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 17:48
I wouldn't discount anything yet. I mean, I love Harry Potter, but I blanched when I heard Rowling discussing a "Potter-Encyclopedia" or an   Albus Severus  spinoff. She hasn't done anything yet (barring the "Dumbledore's gay!" thing), and while I suspect this is largely due to the fact that there are still 2* more movies coming out, I can't help but think fondly of her rags-to-riches story and seemingly ferocious intelligence. I don't think Stephenie Meyer would be as dignified in letting her series rest, not to mention the fact that any Twilight fan I know would jump at the chance to read another book, even if it's simply the same story told from a different perspective (it worked for Orson Scott Card with Ender's Shadow).

*Book 7 is being divided into 2 films, remember.
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Post by: Alex C on 03 Dec 2009, 18:01
Bella is more of a freak than Edward.

It can certainly be interpreted that way, but I wouldn't go so far as to ascribe that to author's intent. Meyer's interactions with Twilight fan community never seem to encourage anything but taking the book at face value; she comes across as the sort of fanfic writer that specializes in Mary Sues. She's referred to Bella being more mature than she was a that age, which is somewhat worrying. If she's at all worried that some people might see Bella as a role model, she sure isn't showing it, what with all the prancing around in a reproduction of Bella's prom dress.
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Post by: Border Reiver on 03 Dec 2009, 18:06
That's rather different though, since that aspect of the books isn't practical to emulate. Even if you did decide to be like Poirot people are unlikely to start mysteriously dying every time you go on holiday and attempts to involve yourself in any cases that do arise will be quashed due to your unfortunate lack of an international reputation as a Belgian super-sleuth with a superb moustache.

I can grow the 'stache - but my wife will get right tee'd off if everytime we get to go on vacation someone had to die and I have to solve the crime.  

I've seen the first movie - my neice was visiting and she absolutely had to see it.  My biggest objection to it was the completely horrible acting and the overemphasis on the sexual element of vampires while ignoring the whole "embodiment of the fear of death" thing...While I can often turn my brain off in certain movies and say "Entertain me!" this movie had enough jarring elements for me to be unable to do so.
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Post by: Eris on 03 Dec 2009, 22:14
The thing that bugs me more than anything else, is that the book, "The Host", proves that Stephenie Meyer can actually write a good story. The Host is vastly far and above Twilight in every single way

The Host is slightly better written, but is still not a good book. I agree that the ideas in both Twilight and The Host are good ideas (albeit fairly cliched and overdone already), but The Host is full of bizarre damaging ideas as Twilight. TVTropes is good to read when looking at the different themes in those books (and many others, I might add)

I read a Twilight fanfiction where Bella was being abused by her father after she moves home because she reminds him so much of her mother, and she blames her "clumsiness" for all the bruising she has. Edward notices this and smells the burst blood vessels from her bruising or something, and he, uh, tries to get her to confront Charlie or something? it was a while ago and the fic wasn't complete when I read it. Anyway, I thought that was a much better way of doing the story, because it gave Bella an actual character and proper problems rather than her "OMG I am sooo clumsy and like, wish Edward would look at me" shit. It is things like that which make me defend fanfitcion. Whilst wading through the myriad of "Bella is a Nerd and Edward is the Jock Playa" fics there are some gems which actually are interesting. There are also the really terribly written fics that make no sense at all which are hilarious by themselves.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 03 Dec 2009, 23:22
TVTropes

Oh no yr not pulling me in to that again
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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 23:24
Speaking of Twilight fan fiction, this is an absolute wonder. (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/fan_fiction_friday_edward_and_bella_in_the_monster.php)

In short, Bella wakes to Edward watching her, they do some naughty kissing, and it escalates into Edward going down on her while she menstruates on him. Then when he's filled with bloodlust he takes off into the woods and masturbates.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 03 Dec 2009, 23:33
How did you find this?
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Post by: Ikrik on 03 Dec 2009, 23:34
->Jeans.  Reading what I wrote again I come off like an idiot and an ass, that was not what I was going for and I apologize.  I'll just say that arguing is definitely not my strong suite and I'm trying to get better at it.

And I'm going to flex my stance a bit.  I think the books is marketed at the kids coming directly out of their tweens who are just starting to notice boys. I've heard girls my age talk about how amazing Twilight is (my old roommate was in love with it even though she thought it was stupid).  But what I've started to notice a little bit more is that some girls I know have read Twilight, liked Twilight, but agree that it's one of the worst written books they've read.

And people who've read the book, can you enlighten me on a point?  Why does Bella hate her father so much, I've just seen the two movies and the dude is there for her and caring all the time?  Why is she such a bitch to him?

I don't think Meyer knew so much about Bella when she was writing the quad.  If she knew Bella's character quite well then it would have at least seeped through these four books instead, Bella is a complete Mary-Sue.  If she was meant to be crazy and creepy when we see it through Edward's eyes she would also be a little bit crazy and creepy when we read through Twilight and the rest. But from everything I've read/heard Bella has the dynamic range of a cardboard box.
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Post by: JD on 03 Dec 2009, 23:45
Have you seen Tila Tequila's fanfic? (http://www.tilashotspot.buzznet.com/web/tila/journals/tilatequila/entry/5406831/)
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Post by: JD on 03 Dec 2009, 23:48
Also Ikrik, It's completely possible to love a book personally, but hate it in every way critically. That might be what your old roommate is doing.
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Post by: scarred on 03 Dec 2009, 23:55
How did you find this?

Topless Robot, mang! Fan Fiction Friday! It's also how I found Hogwarts and The Giant Squid in: "First Encounter," (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/08/fan_fiction_friday_hogwarts_and_a_giant_squid_in_f.php) which is 100% about a giant squid fucking a castle.

No, really:

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Another sigh swept through the halls of Hogwarts. "Oh, Merlin. That feels so good." His rapture turned to fright as he felt a tentacle work its way into a second window. "I don't--"

"Trust me. It'll feel good. Remember this?" He pulled the suction cups a little harder and Hogwarts groaned.

"Do that again."
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Post by: Ikrik on 03 Dec 2009, 23:55
Also Ikrik, It's completely possible to love a book personally, but hate it in every way critically. That might be what your old roommate is doing.

Oh, I totally know, what surprised me is that it's not one or two but five or six of them that feel exactly the same way.  It makes me wonder how much of the demographic think the same way.  

Oh and I'm reading the partial manuscript for Midnight Sun.  I'm on page 12 and it's ridiculously entertaining.  Meyer released it so you can just google it and get the manuscript.  I highly recommend it, hilarious.  I would quote some of it but it's really just all horrible.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Dec 2009, 00:21
Oh and I'm reading the partial manuscript for Midnight Sun.  I'm on page 12 and it's ridiculously entertaining.  Meyer released it so you can just google it and get the manuscript.  I highly recommend it, hilarious.  I would quote some of it but it's really just all horrible.
Can you find it on her site? I thought it got leaked all over the place and she threw a bitchfit and quit writing, I didn't know she put it up.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 04 Dec 2009, 00:26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Sun_(novel)

"[...] she thought that she would begin working on the novel again once she was sure that "everyone's forgotten about it".[5]"


So, if you don't want to see this book published just gently remind her every year or so.
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Post by: Eris on 04 Dec 2009, 00:27
She put it up on her site after she stopped writing it. It is all there.
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Post by: KvP on 04 Dec 2009, 00:31
surely you don't think culture has no effect on people's behaviour or thinking?
Culture influences people in sort of the same way that guns kill people. Which is to say, culture influences people, but I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "na na na na" so really who's to say that culture influences people? It's like that flavored powder you put in your water. It's a part of every drink you take but it doesn't really add anything. We can pay lip service to the fact that people's behavior is influenced by outside forces yet in so very few cases are those outside forces really a factor. To have them actually up space is to render us supremely uncomfortable about our power over ourselves.

So it might be the case that women are perpetually bombarded by messages about how the shame they should feel over their bodies and their desires and about what they should sacrifice in the name of love, but ultimately their feelings are their own responsibility, or more likely the responsibility of the parent whose actions are apparently the only factor in the entire system of influences that could have been meaningfully different, bringing it back down again to a single person's arbritary choice, conveniently enough the choice of the person with the least cumulative power. Problems with body image? Just another type of narcissism. Keep dating bad guys? Just have to pick them better next time. Addiction? It's all about how much you want to stay clean. At no point does a game or a book or your memories of your dad beating the shit out of your mom make it impossible for you to choose, thus all of these things are ultimately worthless when we're talking about influence.
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Post by: Caleb on 04 Dec 2009, 07:17
Caleb, you are a librarian, right? What have you seen with regards to Twilight's demographic (unless you already said it and I missed it, in which case point it out)?

I am in charge of buying books for the adult collection.  Due to demand I have been forced to buy a full set of Twilight books TWICE for the adult collection.  People keep on taking them and not returning.

There are are a lot of adults reading these books.  I know that the twenty-somethings that work at my gym were all reading it awhile back.

This is a kinda rural/suburban area.  There is less backlash against adults reading the book so I think more do.  I think the movies are driving the reading a bit more here.  Also Oprah did an interview recently and that has caused some buzz.

It's tough to run the numbers though.  I am sure many younger people are checking out the books from the adult collection because they are checked in.  Older people ARE reading these books though.

Not enough of them for me to change up what I am buying though.  People in the area love the murder mysteries.  Every time someone like Kathy Reichs comes out with a new books I gotta lease like five extra copies.
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Post by: KvP on 04 Dec 2009, 19:41
surely you don't think culture has no effect on people's behaviour or thinking?
Culture influences people in sort of the same way that guns kill people. Which is to say, culture influences people, but I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "na na na na" so really who's to say that culture influences people? It's like that flavored powder you put in your water. It's a part of every drink you take but it doesn't really add anything. We can pay lip service to the fact that people's behavior is influenced by outside forces yet in so very few cases are those outside forces really a factor. To have them actually up space is to render us supremely uncomfortable about our power over ourselves.

So it might be the case that women are perpetually bombarded by messages about how the shame they should feel over their bodies and their desires and about what they should sacrifice in the name of love, but ultimately their feelings are their own responsibility, or more likely the responsibility of the parent whose actions are apparently the only factor in the entire system of influences that could have been meaningfully different, bringing it back down again to a single person's arbritary choice, conveniently enough the choice of the person with the least cumulative power. Problems with body image? Just another type of narcissism. Keep dating bad guys? Just have to pick them better next time. Addiction? It's all about how much you want to stay clean. At no point does a game or a book or your memories of your dad beating the shit out of your mom make it impossible for you to choose, thus all of these things are ultimately worthless when we're talking about influence.
Man I was so drunk last night.
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Post by: JD on 05 Dec 2009, 16:49
New Moon in 15 minutes (http://community.livejournal.com/m15m/21825.html#cutid1)
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Post by: Liz on 06 Dec 2009, 08:25
I see your fifteen minutes and I raise you New Moon in a Minute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bXeQ7baYEE).

Shockingly accurate.
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Post by: scarred on 06 Dec 2009, 14:37
I love that video so much.
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Post by: Liz on 06 Dec 2009, 15:24
I love you.
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Post by: Liz on 06 Dec 2009, 15:24
Wait, was that awkward? Too soon?

Sorry for creepin'.
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Post by: scarred on 06 Dec 2009, 15:34
Too soon?

I've been waiting for years!

Let's elope.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 06 Dec 2009, 15:35
I'll get the camera
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Post by: Liz on 06 Dec 2009, 15:44
Alright, looks like I'm getting married, folks. You're all invited to the wedding!
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Post by: scarred on 06 Dec 2009, 15:48
So we'll need three columns of seats - your family, my family, and QC.

OR we could make it a QC exclusive. And then sell footage on the internet to pay for our house.
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Post by: Lines on 06 Dec 2009, 15:54
Ooo, can I help plan? I'll even sell tickets at the door if you want to go that way.
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Post by: Liz on 06 Dec 2009, 15:57
We can totally do a crazy wedding. Linds you can be in charge of whatever you want. You are my other half/evil twin/whatever everyone thinks, I trust you to do what is right.
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Post by: Lines on 06 Dec 2009, 18:48
...

Hehehehehe.
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Post by: scarred on 06 Dec 2009, 19:02
Dibs on the first one because it looks less like Edward and more like Andrew from the Buffy comics.

(don't look at me like that)
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Post by: Kugai on 06 Dec 2009, 20:50
Those poor morons

What happens in ten years when their brains actually start working again?
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Post by: scarred on 06 Dec 2009, 20:55
"Again"?
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Post by: JD on 06 Dec 2009, 21:04
"Working"?
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Post by: KickThatBathProf on 06 Dec 2009, 21:07
"Ten"?
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Post by: Inlander on 06 Dec 2009, 22:23
I'm starting to feel like the backlash is more tedious than the films and books could possibly be.
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Post by: scarred on 07 Dec 2009, 00:43
Read the first chapter! (http://www.childlit.info/index.php?title=Twilight_Excerpt)

If you dare.


Quote from: excerpt of the excerpt
I didn't sleep well that night, even after I was done crying. The constant whooshing of the rain and wind across the roof wouldn't fade into the background. I pulled the faded old quilt over my head, and later added the pillow, too. But I couldn't fall asleep until after midnight, when the rain finally settled into a quieter drizzle.

Thick fog was all I could see out my window in the morning, and I could feel the claustrophobia creeping up on me. You could never see the sky here; it was like a cage.

Breakfast with Charlie was a quiet event. He wished me good luck at school. I thanked him, knowing his hope was wasted. Good luck tended to avoid me. Charlie left first, off to the police station that was his wife and family. After he left, I sat at the old square oak table in one of the three unmatching chairs and examined his small kitchen, with its dark paneled walls, bright yellow cabinets, and white linoleum floor. Nothing was changed. My mother had painted the cabinets eighteen years ago in an attempt to bring some sunshine into the house. Over the small fireplace in the adjoining handkerchief-sized family room was a row of pictures. First a wedding picture of Charlie and my mom in Las Vegas, then one of the three of us in the hospital after I was born, taken by a helpful nurse, followed by the procession of my school pictures up to last year's. Those were embarrassing to look at -- I would have to see what I could do to get Charlie to put them somewhere else, at least while I was living here.

It was impossible, being in this house, not to realize that Charlie had never gotten over my mom. It made me uncomfortable.

I didn't want to be too early to school, but I couldn't stay in the house anymore. I donned my jacket -- which had the feel of a biohazard suit -- and headed out into the rain.
It was just drizzling still, not enough to soak me through immediately as I reached for the house key that was always hidden under the eaves by the door, and locked up. The sloshing of my new waterproof boots was unnerving. I missed the normal crunch of gravel as I walked. I couldn't pause and admire my truck again as I wanted; I was in a hurry to get out of the misty wet that swirled around my head and clung to my hair under my hood.

Inside the truck, it was nice and dry. Either Billy or Charlie had obviously cleaned it up, but the tan upholstered seats still smelled faintly of tobacco, gasoline, and peppermint. The engine started quickly, to my relief, but loudly, roaring to life and then idling at top volume. Well, a truck this old was bound to have a flaw. The antique radio worked, a plus that I hadn't expected.
Finding the school wasn't difficult, though I'd never been there before. The school was, like most other things, just off the highway. It was not obvious that it was a school; only the sign, which declared it to be the Forks High School, made me stop. It looked like a collection of matching houses, built with maroon-colored bricks. There were so many trees and shrubs I couldn't see its size at first. Where was the feel of the institution? I wondered nostalgically. Where were the chain-link fences, the metal detectors?

I parked in front of the first building, which had a small sign over the door reading FRONT OFFICE. No one else was parked there, so I was sure it was off limits, but I decided I would get directions inside instead of circling around in the rain like an idiot. I stepped unwillingly out of the toasty truck cab and walked down a little stone path lined with dark hedges. I took a deep breath before opening the door.

Inside, it was brightly lit, and warmer than I'd hoped. The office was small; a little waiting area with padded folding chairs, orange-flecked commercial carpet, notices and awards cluttering the walls, a big clock ticking loudly. Plants grew everywhere in large plastic pots, as if there wasn't enough greenery outside. The room was cut in half by a long counter, cluttered with wire baskets full of papers and brightly colored flyers taped to its front. There were three desks behind the counter, one of which was manned by a large, red-haired woman wearing glasses. She was wearing a purple t-shirt, which immediately made me feel overdressed.

The red-haired woman looked up. "Can I help you?"

"I'm Isabella Swan," I informed her, and saw the immediate awareness light her eyes. I was expected, a topic of gossip no doubt. Daughter of the Chief's flighty ex-wife, come home at last.
"Of course," she said. She dug through a precariously stacked pile of documents on her desk till she found the ones she was looking for. "I have your schedule right here, and a map of the school." She brought several sheets to the counter to show me.
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Post by: Ikrik on 07 Dec 2009, 02:59
I'll one up you, I'm reading Breaking Dawn.  I have never read any of the others, I've just seen the movies.  I saw it on the ferry and my girlfriend ended up buying it for me, making a big deal about how she wasn't allowing me to put it in her purse for any reason.  This is easily the most hilariously horrible book I have ever read, ever.  Meyer is possibly the worst writer to have sold so many books.  It isn't just that her characters are bad, or that her writing is horrible, or that she's incredibly unimaginative, it's that her books have no redeeming qualities whatsoever.  I've heard book critics call the Twilight saga a "masturbatory aid."  I have never agreed with a critic more.  

But.  The book is insanely lulzworthy.  Seriously.  Borrow Breaking Dawn from someone you know who has it.  It's an incredibly easy read, obviously, and it is hilarious.  She's had sex twice now and the act was COMPLETELY skipped over.  I had to read the three pages preceding the moment I realized they first had sex an incredible amount of sex.  There's not even like a "and then he threw me on the bed." Or whatever.  It's like, they're talking and then all the sudden she's covered in a billion bruises and he's all like "we're never having sex again....ever....*sulk*"  I'm at the part where she's pregnant and it's only been like 16 days and she can feel the baby kicking and stuff.....She is SO ecstatic over it, the girl couldn't be more happy over it.....and, of course, Edward doesn't want to keep it.  

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He leaned  away and looked me in the eye.  "We're going to get that thing out before it can hurt any part of you.  Don't be scared. I won't let it hurt you
"That thing?" I gasped.
He looked sharply away from me, toward the front door. "Dammit! I forgot Gustavo was due today.  I'll get rid of him and be right back." He darted out of the room.
I clutched the counter for support. My knees were wobbly.
Edward had just called my little nudger a thing He said Carlisle would get it out.
"No," I whispered.
I'd gotten it wrong before. He didn't care about the baby at all.  He wanted to hurt him.  The beautiful picture in my head shifted abruptly, changed into something dark.  My pretty baby crying, my weak arms not enough to protect him...

She also has some of the worst metaphors in the world.  I'd give an example but I don't really feel up for finding one.  I might compile some more while I'm reading and throw them up here.  

Meyer also really sucks at showing time passing.  To describe how fast (I guess) Edward is, the quote is almost literally "he was back before I could take two hundred breathes."  Now, my girlfriend and I figured that if it takes about 2 seconds to breathe in and out that would have taken Edward *sparkle* around 300-400 seconds to do whatever it is he was doing.  That's over 5 minutes.  That's not that fast. And Edward *sparkle* has been frequently described as super-duper fast.

Oh, and for everyone who's reading the books, Bella is meant to be really, really smart.  She was in an advanced program before she moved to Forks.  There is no evidence in any of the books to support this so-called intelligence.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 07 Dec 2009, 05:25
Well, how can you write about someone that is smarter than your own self?
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Post by: Mr. Doctor on 07 Dec 2009, 07:41
I see your fifteen minutes and I raise you New Moon in a Minute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bXeQ7baYEE).

That was amazing, thanks a lot...

I saw this two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2mZbTCqF2s) reviews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlcu_ImEKL4) which I found quite accurate too but still not as funny as your video but the Bum's face is hilarious at times but his voice gets a bit annoying at times.

"I want the vampire"
"Why?"
"Because he stared at me!
"... You're an idiot"
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Post by: Der Golem on 07 Dec 2009, 08:04
MLIT (http://www.mylifeistwilight.com)

You will hate yourself for correctly guessing what the acronym stands for.
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Post by: Reed on 07 Dec 2009, 08:09
I'm starting to feel like the backlash is more tedious than the films and books could possibly be.

Couldn't agree more.
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Post by: Caleb on 07 Dec 2009, 10:46
(http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs104.snc3/15132_198042567465_584417465_3469361_1483350_n.jpg)
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Post by: Kugai on 07 Dec 2009, 22:36
"Ten"?

And all the rest

I was being optimistic - Should I have been?

No?

Oh well.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 08 Dec 2009, 06:10
I found this.

http://twilightsucks.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fangirls&action=print&thread=5175 (http://twilightsucks.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fangirls&action=print&thread=5175)

 It's terrible in more than one way. First the subject, it's about attacks on people for saying they don't like twilight. Then the fact there is a board dedicated to disliking these books. Doesn't compute.
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Post by: Ikrik on 08 Dec 2009, 09:30
They're documenting the attacks to show how horrible they are.  They're not saying "hey, let's show those anti-sparklers that we mean business."  It's a "holy fucking shit Twilight fans are fucking scary." I'm not sure I really want to read through all of this, it's incredibly depressing.  That said, if I saw anyone being attacked by a twilight fan, the sparkle lover would get dropped hard.  Attacking someone because they don't like and insult Twilight is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard of in my life. 
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Dec 2009, 09:34
How about signing up for and posting on a message board solely dedicated to discussing how much you hate some books + movies? How does that rate on the pathetic scale?
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Post by: Zingoleb on 08 Dec 2009, 09:38
Well, uh, it's not that hard. When you're writing, you have all the time in the world to do research and design the dialogue.

Not quite what I meant and trying to translate from my brain to my fingers is proving impossible.

They're documenting the attacks to show how horrible they are.  They're not saying "hey, let's show those anti-sparklers that we mean business."  It's a "holy fucking shit Twilight fans are fucking scary." I'm not sure I really want to read through all of this, it's incredibly depressing.  That said, if I saw anyone being attacked by a twilight fan, the sparkle lover would get dropped hard.  Attacking someone because they don't like and insult Twilight is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard of in my life. 

It's happened to me. Granted, it was an online discussion (and she was 22), but had I said it to her face she'd have gone for the eyes.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 08 Dec 2009, 09:56
How about signing up for and posting on a message board solely dedicated to discussing how much you hate some books + movies? How does that rate on the pathetic scale?

This is what I meant by "Does not compute" I understand the concept of the site. I don't get why there is a dedicated hate site.
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Post by: supersheep on 08 Dec 2009, 10:39
I think that making up stories about BEING attacked by Twihards is probably even more pathetic still.

(Seriously, careful perusing of the Guardian website shows no mention of any of this stuff - and I'm fairly sure that national news media would report an acid attack in a school in Britain. I'm calling shenanigans/citation needed on actual GBH-style attacks.)
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Post by: JD on 08 Dec 2009, 11:47
How about signing up for and posting on a message board solely dedicated to discussing how much you hate some books + movies? How does that rate on the pathetic scale?
rates lower than bad webcomics wiki.

assuming the lower you're ranked, the less pathetic you are.
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 08 Dec 2009, 13:52
There's a rumour going around the net that she's dead.  Does anyone know if this is actually true?
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Post by: Be My Head on 08 Dec 2009, 13:59
It's probably just that, a rumour.
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 08 Dec 2009, 14:00
probably.  just thought I'd ask to see if anyone has found any actual accounts from respectable sources (so far I haven't seen any)

I was actually coming back to delete that post because I felt silly about it when I saw that you'd already replied, to be honest.

edit: nevermind, it was just one of my friends playing a joke on me.  carry on.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 08 Dec 2009, 16:52
rates lower than bad webcomics wiki.

Thanks, I lost my evening to reading this. I think I feel dirty for looking at so many characters with animal features....
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Post by: JD on 08 Dec 2009, 17:36
Unrelated note: I just realized what your avatar is.

Awesome
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 09 Dec 2009, 06:45
Fanks. I like how when I sign in looks like it's waving at me.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 11:31
Hey guys. You know how there's Wizard Rock? Like crap geek rock about Harry Potter?

How long do you reckon before Twirock?
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Post by: Reed on 10 Dec 2009, 11:34
It exists.

Its name is Muse.
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Post by: JD on 10 Dec 2009, 11:56
Death Cab For Cutie?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Dec 2009, 12:02
It exists.

Its name is Muse.

haha.

No I mean like three fifteen year old girls making a Shaggs style racket with Jack Off Jill overtones called like 'Bella's Distress' or something.

'Team Edward'

I dunno. I had to buy my sister one of these books for Christmas and the cashier gave me a look and I explained but I felt like such filth.
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Post by: AanAllein on 10 Dec 2009, 15:27
I dunno, some of the girls from my school have just started a band, and knowing these girls I feel like there's a good chance their music could be described as Twirock. Or possibly Twicore.
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Post by: Zingoleb on 10 Dec 2009, 19:37
How come like all new genres seem to be either neo-, post- or -core? It's like we can't even come up with new labels, so lets see what used to happen. Post-crooner! Neo-grunge! Crankycore!

Fuck it, I'm starting a Neopostcore band to spite you all.
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Post by: JD on 10 Dec 2009, 20:40
I wonder what neo-twee would sound like.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 10 Dec 2009, 20:46
Music made by actual babies.
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Post by: Johnny C on 11 Dec 2009, 00:09
Hey guys. You know how there's Wizard Rock? Like crap geek rock about Harry Potter?

How long do you reckon before Twirock?

Actually it does exist, also Harry & The Potters own
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Post by: Johnny C on 11 Dec 2009, 00:10
incidentally did i just reread this thread and see an argument about cultural bootstraps
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Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Dec 2009, 00:37
Wait, what? Are you speaking about metaphorical bootstraps, or literal bootstraps based on someone's culture. Point it out to me?
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Post by: Johnny C on 11 Dec 2009, 00:49
m... metaphorical bootstraps
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Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Dec 2009, 00:59
Okay. I was wondering since when certain cultures have distinctive types of bootstraps. I'm not familiar with the term, which posts were you talking about?
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Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Dec 2009, 16:37

'Team Edward'


You mean this?

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/Border_Reiver/edward.jpg)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 11 Dec 2009, 20:03
No this

(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/wigu-edward.jpg)
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Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Dec 2009, 03:53

'Team Edward'


You mean this?

[/IMG]http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/Border_Reiver/edward.jpg[/img]

"It's too bad you won't live, Bella, but then again, who does?"
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Post by: scarred on 12 Dec 2009, 04:14
SO SAY WE ALL
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 12 Dec 2009, 05:55
(http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/39052_teamliteratureshirt.jpg)



Made me laugh....a little...I want to mock up an edward woodwood t shirts, he was awesome & responsible for one of my all time favourite jokes.
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Post by: Inlander on 12 Dec 2009, 06:35
You mean "Why does Edward Woodward have so many Ds in his name?"
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 12 Dec 2009, 07:09
Yes, yes I do. I love that joke.
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Post by: Kugai on 12 Dec 2009, 13:06
I know him as triple wood
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Post by: Inlander on 12 Dec 2009, 18:27
Yes, yes I do. I love that joke.

That is because it is an excellent joke.
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Post by: JD on 12 Dec 2009, 21:31
(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/snf-vampirism.gif)

?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 12 Dec 2009, 21:43
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Post by: Kugai on 12 Dec 2009, 23:01
Hows the RSI?
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Post by: LTK on 13 Dec 2009, 13:36
Let's just call the two Ed and Jake.
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Post by: Ikrik on 14 Dec 2009, 01:56
So I'm mostly through Breaking Dawn and I've reached a number of conclusions.

-In Stephanie Meyers world, pedophilia is totally ok.  Werewolves imprint themselves on people and that basically means that they fall in love with them forever, ever.  The two times that's happened in the books so far have been with babies.  These are like...16 year old boys (I think) who are in love with newborns.  Meyer tries to make it sound natural but it just comes off as super creepy.

-Stephanie Meyer has no knowledge of science.  Humans have 24 chromosomes, Werewolves have 25 and Vampires have 26.  For some strange reason this is revealed.

-Meyer wants everyone to be happy.  For a little bit there seems to be some genuine conflict between the characters because Bella is going to turn into a vampire.  Instead of turning a conflict into something genuinely interesting, she decides to change certain things so that everyone can be happy in the end.

I've always really hated Twilight but since I've started reading Breaking Dawn that I'm really realizing how irredeemable it all is.  It takes guys with some incredibly unattractive qualities and describes them as absolutely perfect.  Edward is condescending, abusive, threatening, as well as being a stalker.  Jacob is abusive, threatening, as well as being possessive.  Would you rather be with a guy who wants to kill you all the time, or with one who if you make angry (which you will) might just kill you.  Those are some awesome choices.

I'm starting to get sick of the "girls don't actually fall in love with Edward." or "Girls don't pick up on that kind of stuff."  arguments.  Who has never imagined being in a relationship with a fictional character?  Who hasn't thought of a girl and gone "wow, he's/she's a lot like *character from a book* maybe I should get her/his number." 
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Post by: Border Reiver on 14 Dec 2009, 05:06
So, you're saying if I want quality vampire literature that I should reread my copy of Dracula?
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 14 Dec 2009, 08:55
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I know big quotes are frowned upon but....My god this made me giggle out loud in a small room on my own x
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Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Dec 2009, 10:06
-Stephanie Meyer has no knowledge of science.  Humans have 24 chromosomes, Werewolves have 25 and Vampires have 26.  For some strange reason this is revealed.
So having Downs Syndrome gives you superpowers? Sweet, I always knew they were hiding something.

Quote
Who hasn't thought of a girl and gone "wow, he's/she's a lot like *character from a book* maybe I should get her/his number." 
Me. I'm an outlier for most of those questions, though.
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Post by: Alex C on 14 Dec 2009, 10:10
Same here, but I don't know if I'd say I'm actually an outlier. I think people underestimate how staunchly unimaginative some people are. I'm not really big on escapism; for example, if a video game offers a flirt with a character option, the first thing I do is go ask someone if there's any in-game benefits before bothering with it.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Dec 2009, 10:21
For me, it's more like if there is a flirt with character option, I don't realize that it is flirting, rather than just being nice to them. I'm pretty terrible with subtext that way.

I guess I just don't notice similarities like that, probably because I tend to read books with characters that aren't too similar to real-world people, at least not within my general age demographic. And I can't remember ever asking for a girl's number with the intent to ask her out. It is possible I've just repressed the memory.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 04 Feb 2010, 07:56
http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=579#more-579

A rather interesting and funny piece on the whole wilight thing.

And it's from an interesting blog too so, check it out ...
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Post by: benji on 04 Feb 2010, 11:50
-In Stephanie Meyers world, pedophilia is totally ok.  Werewolves imprint themselves on people and that basically means that they fall in love with them forever, ever.  The two times that's happened in the books so far have been with babies.  These are like...16 year old boys (I think) who are in love with newborns.  Meyer tries to make it sound natural but it just comes off as super creepy.

What I find interesting about this is how it plays into what Christine Seifert identified as abstinance porn (http://bitchmagazine.org/article/bite-me-or-dont). The fantasy here is that, ultimately, the male is fated to be monogamous. From what I understand, his love for the underage girl is supposed to remain platonic until she's "of the right age."

Oddly, werewolves seem to be castrated by this story more than vampires. In most stories, the wolf-man is terrifying because he is our animal side made manifest. Even in stories where the Werewolf is a protector of some sort, he or she is usually full of anger and animal  blood-lust. But in Myer's world apparently, our animal side is too busy singing "Wouldn't It Be Nice" by the Beach Boys to go out and kill chickens at night.
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Post by: Kugai on 04 Feb 2010, 12:25
The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes spinning in his Coffin.
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Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 04 Feb 2010, 15:26
The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes breaking the fuck out of his Coffin to seek vengeance.
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Post by: Kugai on 04 Feb 2010, 21:27
The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes breaking the fuck out of his Coffin to seek vengeance.

That too.

"IMPALE THE LOT OF THEM!!!"
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Post by: Surgoshan on 04 Feb 2010, 23:10
He wouldn't break out of his coffin to impale them.

We're talking about a guy who, when in solitary confinement for years, impaled spiders for fun.

He'd burrow his way out of the coffin and then see to it that they spent eternity writhing on a stick.

Because not shoving sharp sticks up their asses would be kinda dull.
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Post by: Ikrik on 05 Feb 2010, 02:32
Reading New Moon was one of the funniest experiences of what is now last year.  I don't think there is something that is more unintentionally hilarious than all the stuff that happened in it.  I am ridiculously excited for when the movie of it comes out because it will be totally worth the price of admission.

Oh, and I saw a couple interviews with Stephanie Meyer and....fuck me.  She comes off as so incredibly shallow it hurts. She comes off as basically a more restrained fangirl of her own work.  She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...which kind of explains perfectly the creatures that populate her book.
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Post by: JD on 05 Feb 2010, 06:35
The fourth movie needs to be made. It's insane.
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 05 Feb 2010, 07:23
She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...

Actually, I rather like that idea. What she ended up with was crap, but it's not like we're talking about something that exists outside of fantasy so it's not like the vampire anti-defamation league is going to get pissed by your insensitivity when you come up with something different to what everyone else has, which is what she did. It just wasn't a good thing, but that's the fault of her bad writing. The idea's sound.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 05 Feb 2010, 08:34
The fact she did no research on Native Americans or the area of the country she set he book in is fairly vile & insulting though.

I like the idea of a creative bubble though, I'm really bad at doing that. Which is why I write stuff that's ALL about pop culture, I'm immersed in it.

I think if you look at a lot of other universes, whether it's Terry Prachet, Harry Potter, or even any Vampire construction, the universe has to have rules & stick to them, that's what makes people get into them.

For me True Blood has this is spades, they've made the rules & they stick to them, baring in mind it follows basical the same plot (When you really boil it down) but it's a thousand times more believable.

I found the universe she had created for her characters to inhabit utterly flawed.
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Post by: Eris on 05 Feb 2010, 13:21
The thing is, she tried to justify her shitty writing and lack of research, instead of going "well ok, it doesn't really make sense, but hey! I have made a lot of money so pblblblblb"

She has said that she thinks of the vampires as more scientific beings and the werewolves as more magical. The vampires are scientific, what with their magical scientific venom that can either kill you or impregnate you. That is not how science works lady, come on.
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Post by: JD on 05 Feb 2010, 14:05
Glittery snakes with Downs Syndrome unite!
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Post by: scarred on 05 Feb 2010, 14:18
That is not how science works lady, come on.

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/phyrexianmeatdog/1133Gtfo_Bitch.jpg)
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Post by: Eris on 05 Feb 2010, 16:59
You sure do like that picture, don't you?
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Post by: scarred on 05 Feb 2010, 17:14
When the occasion calls for it.
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Post by: Surgoshan on 05 Feb 2010, 19:48
Speaking as a scientist... that picture is erroneous.
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Post by: Ikrik on 05 Feb 2010, 20:32
She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...

Actually, I rather like that idea. What she ended up with was crap, but it's not like we're talking about something that exists outside of fantasy so it's not like the vampire anti-defamation league is going to get pissed by your insensitivity when you come up with something different to what everyone else has, which is what she did. It just wasn't a good thing, but that's the fault of her bad writing. The idea's sound.

See I really hate the idea because I think it shows laziness.  If I wanted to write a werewolf novel the absolute first thing I would do is as much research as I possibly can.  Even and especially if I'm going to be changing the mythology.  You run the risk of just being insulting to the thing you're using.  How many kinds of vampires do we have that share the same basic kinds of characteristics?  Nosferatu's, Dracula's, 30 Days of Night's, Cronos, From Dusk Till Dawn, Blade's?  Anne Rice's Stuff, Vampyros Lesbos (the best kind).  These are all different from each other but you would never, ever question that these creatures are vampires.  I would want to do my best to research whatever it is I'm doing because then I can not only pay respect to the classic mythology but can also change them in such a way that suits me but still stays true to the creature.
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Post by: Alex C on 06 Feb 2010, 17:27
I would want to do my best to research whatever it is I'm doing because then I can not only pay respect to the classic mythology but can also change them in such a way that suits me but still stays true to the creature.
That assumes you think there's value to staying true to the creature. Effectively saying that "This creature is what the term vampire has been alluding to all these years," isn't really bad writing in and of itself, particularly when you consider that the modern vampire is a chimera stitched together from all manner of different legends. In this case staying true is hardly even possible anyway.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 07 Feb 2010, 09:22
Had she tried to re-invent them & made them more AWESOME than say, The Lost Boys, it would have been fine. She took a myth based around repressed sexuality & made it both Lame & creepy at the same time.

The reason people, me included (& vampires have never been my favourite of all the "monsters" I'm a zombie girl at heart), have got all riled up is because there IS value in the creatures she's messing with.

Look at what the Blade character did with the Vampire myth, messed up all kinds of things, but it still had a backbone, spine and MADE SENSE.

The fact that the original Vampire myths came from many different sources & were then mostly characterised in the Bram Stoker novel, then we have had many layers of meaning from many different 20th century sources building it up to became something we all reckognise, even if each one is slightly different. Eg: In Lost boys he says "Garlic doesn't work"

Whether it's comic books like 30 days of Night, TV like Buffy, Novels like Anne Rice there is a sense of continuity in the use of Vampires, whats the point in calling it a Vampire if it isn't, she should of just called them Stalking Sparkle monsters.

Sorry if this is insanely rambling, this is because, I am & do & because I'm hungry, very hungry. Soz.
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Post by: Alex C on 07 Feb 2010, 10:53
This reminds me of that penny arcade comic in which Gabe said that the difference between something being derivative and something being an homage is whether he likes it or not.
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Post by: Alex C on 07 Feb 2010, 11:01
Also, I think that the Lost Boys was ultimately as lazy and unambitious as Twilight ever was even if the photography was better than it needed to be. The setup is alright but then it descends into a standard "Kill the bads, roll credits," format, which is a shame since it doesn't deliver any visceral thrills. Vampires being creepy creepsters instead of really cool isn't necessarily a bad concept in and of itself. I just think Meyer was too crappy of a writer to pull it off well.
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Post by: Surgoshan on 07 Feb 2010, 11:27
Aro began to laugh.  "Ha. Ha. Ha." he chuckled.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 07 Feb 2010, 11:38
Vampires being creepy creepsters instead of really cool isn't necessarily a bad concept in and of itself. I just think Meyer was too crappy of a writer to pull it off well.

Honestly that's made me think a lot. I have a huge Lost Boys thing, it was one of the first 18 movies I ever saw & cemted my love of horror which had since evolved into liking much much better films. But I have such a soft spot for it. I used for the "teen" aspect & the making vamps look cool, but ultimately violent aspect.

But the idea that Meyer's themes weren't flawed, she is (I wanted to put as a writer, but leaving it like that is funnier.) is fascinating.

On a different note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGd9qAfpZio&feature=video_response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGd9qAfpZio&feature=video_response)

Batmen vs. Twilight, sort of.
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Post by: LeeC on 07 Feb 2010, 13:20
according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong
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Post by: Ikrik on 07 Feb 2010, 13:36
He's signed for a couple other films as well.  There are a few action films he's doing.  I think it's very interesting because the only things he's really done are the Twilight movies.  He's a completely untested (and bad) actor and he's signed onto a bunch of other things.  I'm surprised that they're throwing him projects because girls like him because he's Jacob Black.  He's also coming up in a movie releasing on Feb 12th called Valentine's Day.  He plays a small part.  But he's also being booked as Max Steel, he's also starring in Northern Lights, which they're throwing 7 million dollars at him for.  The boy has no proof as box-office potential and they're throwing projects at him. 
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Post by: LeeC on 07 Feb 2010, 13:38
but a stetch armstrong movie?! thats bad no matter how you write it!
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Post by: Emaline on 07 Feb 2010, 19:08
If by bad you mean good, and by good you mean so fucking terrible that it is actually hilarious and bad.

Also, wasn't stretch Armstrong a blond haired blue eyed sorta dude?
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Post by: Lines on 07 Feb 2010, 21:04
Well, there's hope for some of the Twilighters, because the girl who plays Jessica is in Up In The Air and that's supposed to be good. (I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's 100x better than Twilight because it doesn't appear to be a ridiculous pile of poo. Also it has George Clooney and Clooney > Pattinson/shirtless underaged boys.)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 07 Feb 2010, 21:11
according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong

? (http://www.myspace.com/stretcharmstrong)
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Post by: Liz on 07 Feb 2010, 21:47
(I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's 100x better than Twilight because it doesn't appear to be a ridiculous pile of poo. Also it has George Clooney and Clooney > Pattinson/shirtless underaged boys.)

This is so true. It is fantastic, really. Everyone needs to go see it as soon as they can because it is so great.
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Post by: Emaline on 07 Feb 2010, 22:48
according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong

? (http://www.myspace.com/stretcharmstrong)



God now I am so confused. Is the movie about the band ir the toy??
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Post by: LeeC on 07 Feb 2010, 23:08
yes (http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/stretch-armstrong-ng.jpg)
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Post by: Emaline on 07 Feb 2010, 23:13
Fuck yes. This movie will be great then"
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Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Feb 2010, 23:50
And she wasn't intending them to be creepy. Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint (I don't remember exactly how the guy argued it, I might be able to find it, but it might have been archived by now, it was on SA).
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Ikrik on 08 Feb 2010, 03:17
Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint

No.  Nope.  Sorry. The Twilight Saga is about as complex as a toothpick.  The whole Edward is an extremely awkward virgin is true, we kind of know that, the allegory is obvious.  Stephanie Meyer stated it a bunch in interviews and I'm sure it's spelled out in the book at some point.  They have to stay virgins because otherwise their beautiful relationship just won't work, as much as Bella thinks otherwise.

And seriously, give me some quotes for how Bella is an emotionally manipulative villian.  Hell, give me some quotes about how Bella is even a character who has any kind of personality traits at all.  There is nothing there to her character, I read through all of...Breaking Dawn and the most I can come up with is that she loves Edward with all of her heart, loves Jacob Black...but only as a friend, and wants to keep her freak-child.....of whom she calls Renesmee but everyone calls her Nessie.  She doesn't like the name Nessie.  That was all I got.

And this is also a woman who actively in her books compares the Twilight Saga's "love" to Romeo and Juliet and some other classic romance novel.  Wuthering Heights. 
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Post by: Lines on 08 Feb 2010, 20:23
He's awkward because he was a virgin for an entire century. No wonder the dude is an abusive asshole.
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Post by: Surgoshan on 08 Feb 2010, 23:37
It's only an allegory if it's a symbol. 

Edward being a 100+ year old virgin wasn't an allegory.  It was a fact.

Also, Alanis Morissette wasn't singing about irony.

Jack Black *was* singing about fucking her hard.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Feb 2010, 02:11
Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint

No.  Nope.  Sorry. The Twilight Saga is about as complex as a toothpick.  The whole Edward is an extremely awkward virgin is true, we kind of know that, the allegory is obvious.  Stephanie Meyer stated it a bunch in interviews and I'm sure it's spelled out in the book at some point.  They have to stay virgins because otherwise their beautiful relationship just won't work, as much as Bella thinks otherwise.
So did you intentionally misread my post? I said extremely awkward, the book tries to make him look like a perfect Greek god made (diamond-fragment-covered) flesh. It works better when he is thought of more realistically (repressed as hell).

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And seriously, give me some quotes for how Bella is an emotionally manipulative villian.  Hell, give me some quotes about how Bella is even a character who has any kind of personality traits at all.  There is nothing there to her character, I read through all of...Breaking Dawn and the most I can come up with is that she loves Edward with all of her heart, loves Jacob Black...but only as a friend, and wants to keep her freak-child.....of whom she calls Renesmee but everyone calls her Nessie.  She doesn't like the name Nessie.  That was all I got.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587 for the whole thread. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587&userid=118075 for just the posts of the guy that is making that interpretation. He seems to make crazy movie interpretations his hobby, as well as being an asshole to anyone that takes a more conventional view or doesn't bother thinking "deeply" about every film they see. edit: Crap, that is the new moon thread. It has a bit of the same thing in there, but not as much as the twilight thread did. The twilight thread has been archived, so I can't get any quotes from it.

Oh, and in case someone here doesn't know (everyone should, but someone might possibly not know about SA if they are new to the whole internet thing), the Something Awful forums are probably not completely work safe. Nothing too graphic, and there is a word filter when you aren't logged in, but you don't want to be reading it at work.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Eris on 09 Feb 2010, 04:23
man, reading that thread reminds me how much I dislike some aspects of literary analysis. The whole "author is dead" stuff makes me feel like people completely disregard the author's involvement in actually writing the piece. While that guy's interpretation of the story was interesting and definitely different from the usual interpretations, saying "it doesn't matter what she meant when she wrote it" really annoys me. Other people saying "you're just outraged that teenage girls are reading it" also annoys me, because yes, I am annoyed that teenage girls are reading it. I am also annoyed that mature adults are reading it, because it is badly written and in general a boring story. Why should that undermine my opinion?


rararar, getting cranky at the internet talking about Twilight. what is going to come of me?
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 09 Feb 2010, 04:29
Just out of interest, why do you think the author's intentions do matter?
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Post by: Eris on 09 Feb 2010, 04:46
well I mean, I write stuff (or at least I used to), and I put a fair amount of effort into it. I thought about what I wanted the characters to look like, how they should sound, and what was going to happen. If someone came in and said something along the lines of "The main character is blonde and has blue eyes, an obvious callback to hitler's ideal, coupled with their manipulative actions indicates that [blahblahblah nazis]" or someshit they are putting words in my mouth. I might have made the character blonde and manipulative as a reference to Barbie and how that doll affects how young girls think. She might be blonde because it is seen as an indication of dumbness, and put the manipulation in there to counter that. Maybe I just wrote about a manipulative character and happened to want her blonde. The people making these analyses don't know what was going on in my head unless they or someone else has talked to me about it, so why should they just assume that I meant a certain thing?

The thing about Twilight is that we know where the basis of the story came from. Meyer had a dream that she was laying in a field with a beautiful, sparkly vampire-man and wrote 5 books about it. This guy's interpretation of the story is really interesting, but the book isn't marketed that way, it is marketed as a coming-of-age love story, so you have to at least take that into consideration, because that affects who reads it and why. Sometimes it is really easy to come up with bullshit about  a narrative, and it is just as easy to be way off the mark. I remember a friend studying a poet in English at high school, and her teacher talking about what the author meant when he used certain phrases or imagery or whatever. They were able to get the poet in for a talk, and the teacher asked him about some of the stuff that had been talked about, and the guy basically contradicted all that they were taught.


 I am not saying that people can't read things differently and that you should only read stuff a certain way, I just think that disregarding all readings but one is stupid.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: a pack of wolves on 09 Feb 2010, 07:47
With the whole concept of the death of the author if someone were to take a text you had written as an allegory of National Socialism they aren't putting words into your mouth. They're building something from the text that they're reading, a text you can no longer control (the degree to which anyone's reading of a text, even their own unsullied by publication, can be truly said to be entirely under their control is highly debatable). Once it's out there what you were intending at the time of writing doesn't necessarily become irrelevant, but it does become just another part of the meta-text along with how the book was marketed, historical context, its jacket and typeface, the other texts it draws upon and the ones it may have influenced etc.

I generally think of criticism as just another form of art, one that uses other art as its material. Artworks are just toolkits, and just like a toolkit they vary in quality. Twilight being, say, a shoddy penknife and Moby Dick being a bit more like the Large Hadron Collider. They mean nothing without the intervention of the reader, reading is an act of construction rather than absorption. For me, a reading is only bullshit if it's uninteresting (like saying something is about Nazis just because there's someone with blond hair and blue eyes), regardless of how far it deviates from the author's intentions.

So Meyer's dream doesn't need to be attended to, and even if it were "it came from a dream" is more than a little questionable. Authors don't necessarily tell the truth about their intentions (as I remember Bunuel claimed the bear in The Exterminating Angel was nothing more than a bear, which is pretty much impossible given the film), and attempting to psychoanalyse them based on their work is dicey at best although sometimes possible (it's safe to say Birth Of A Nation was made by a massive racist based on the film alone). I've only read about one page of that guy's posts about Twilight but he actually does seem to spend a fair bit of time discussing the film's audience and reception so he's not ignoring context to preserve his reading, he just has a different reading of those aspects to most people.
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Post by: Eris on 09 Feb 2010, 17:07
ok so, I was really quite angry last night at that thread, but after taking a break to sleep and calm down and then go back to reading the thread, I can see what I was getting so mad at. One lady was saying that SMG's reading was the only reading that she was going to consider, because she didn't think that viewers of the movie were going to take it at face value (despite the evidence to the contrary). Her saying things like that the story of Bella being the manipulative evil monster was a progressive story was all good and fine, but calling anyone who disagreed a misogynist made me think of a little kid arguing with"yeah? well... you smell!". She was taking her feminist views to the extreme, and ignoring a lot of people's opinions because they were filthy men.


I will probably reply to the post above me later, but this thread is like a soap opera, it's great!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 09 Feb 2010, 17:29
I nominate this entire thread for post of the year.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 09 Feb 2010, 20:12
I will probably reply to the post above me later, but this thread is like a soap opera, it's great!

I'm not sure I know what you mean here. It doesn't really seem like anyone is very cranky here. This isn't even our oldest, longest or snarkiest twilight thread.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Eris on 09 Feb 2010, 22:20
nono, the SA thread. It is the intriguing one.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 10 Feb 2010, 18:18
Ah, yeah, okay. That makes roughly a million times more sense.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 12 Feb 2010, 01:16
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/sure_why_not_twihard_tattoo_ga.php

Damn.

I guess I really didn't get how hardcore fans of the series actually are until I stumbled upon this. This is dedication.
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Post by: Ikrik on 12 Feb 2010, 02:42
I am not surprised by the quality of those tattoos.  The art ones are horrible and the text ones are mostly boring.  When I first went to that page I looked at the scrollbar and went "wtf?" until I found out that most of the page are comments. 

For the sake of asking, how much would it cost these poor people to get these removed in like 6-9 years when Twilight is dead and forgotten?
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Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 12 Feb 2010, 04:54
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/07/sure_why_not_twihard_tattoo_ga.php

Damn.

I guess I really didn't get how hardcore fans of the series actually are until I stumbled upon this. This is dedication.

At least we can be confident that none of these people will ever breed and unleash their Twilight-spawn on us all.
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Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 12 Feb 2010, 04:57
Dude are you kidding? They're probably rutting like mad pigs.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Emaline on 12 Feb 2010, 07:54
I am not surprised by the quality of those tattoos.  The art ones are horrible and the text ones are mostly boring.  When I first went to that page I looked at the scrollbar and went "wtf?" until I found out that most of the page are comments. 

For the sake of asking, how much would it cost these poor people to get these removed in like 6-9 years when Twilight is dead and forgotten?


Wait, seriously? I mean, I guess if we are talking about content, yeah, I can see what you are saying, but the quality? The shading on that first apple is pretty damn good, and for the most part they look like pretty well done tattoos. Obviously not flowing with originality, but craftsmanship, quality, those tattoos have that. Not all of them, but most of them.

And who's to say they are going to get them removed? Even people with dumb tattoos consider them for quite sometime before getting them.



And I'm with Jimmy. Those people are probably getting hellsa laid. Especially the dudes.
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Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 12 Feb 2010, 10:22
I read somewhere it costs 3 times the amount to get done to get it removed, more if you have green or blue in them.

By the quality of the artistry of those I would say they were pretty expensive. I get most of mine done free or discount because I know of people who are great, but just starting so I'm pretty clueless about regular cost.
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Post by: tricia kidd on 12 Feb 2010, 11:53
i don't know what tattoo parlors you guys are going to but those are really poorly-done, and the ones that aren't are just basic (ie the ones that are just writing).  especially that first apple one.  that looks like someone drew on her with a crayon.
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Post by: Emaline on 12 Feb 2010, 14:54
I think the shading on that looks great. It looks just like a real apple's skin. I was there was a better picture of it so you could see that it's not as  scratchy as you are probably assuming. And none of those are that poorly done. I mean, honestly, can't you guys separate poor quality vs poor content? I mean, give me 20 pictures of any tattoo based on the same idea, and tell me that they are all perfect.
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Post by: Alex C on 12 Feb 2010, 15:19
I wouldn't fault his shading either. I think it's kind of a dumb idea to have such an otherwise simplistic design and such uniform black outlines paired up with that shading, but that's a compositional thing rather than a criticism of the color work.
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Post by: JD on 12 Feb 2010, 18:25
The one with edward holding the apple is fucking awful.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 12 Feb 2010, 23:42
Yeah most of them are pretty decent but the second one and the big Edward portrait and the one with the big bleeding circle things (what the fuck?) are just utter dogshit in every respect
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Post by: Alex C on 13 Feb 2010, 08:36
I think my favorite part of the portrait is the hair. I can't think of a tattoo that could possibly seem more immediately dated.
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Post by: tricia kidd on 13 Feb 2010, 18:51
I think the shading on that looks great. It looks just like a real apple's skin. I was there was a better picture of it so you could see that it's not as  scratchy as you are probably assuming. And none of those are that poorly done. I mean, honestly, can't you guys separate poor quality vs poor content?

i guess all the people i know just have really insanely awesome tattoos.  it really isn't the content, those just look like bland tattoos compared to what i'm used to seeing.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2010, 18:52
A MacGyver tattoo?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 13 Feb 2010, 21:09
I guess it depends on where you want to draw the line between being a decent draftsman and being a good artist. To harp on the first tattoo again, I see that thing and I figure there's nothing stopping that guy from being a good tattoo artist from a hand-eye coordination perspective. The lines are clean, and he made as rock solid of a circle as you can ask for with the text. Love or hate the style of the shading, its too deliberate and too good of an example of its type to write off as being a hack job. Basically, it's a perfectly competent crappy tattoo. I've seen sloppier artists do tattoos that are much, much more interesting, but I have a hard time crapping on the craftsmanship.
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Post by: Emaline on 13 Feb 2010, 21:50
I think the shading on that looks great. It looks just like a real apple's skin. I was there was a better picture of it so you could see that it's not as  scratchy as you are probably assuming. And none of those are that poorly done. I mean, honestly, can't you guys separate poor quality vs poor content?

i guess all the people i know just have really insanely awesome tattoos.  it really isn't the content, those just look like bland tattoos compared to what i'm used to seeing.



Man, I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or if it's just how I'm reading your posts, but do you think you can post without talking down to us? I mean, maybe familiarize yourself with the tattoo thread.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: a pack of wolves on 13 Feb 2010, 23:12
It's not just you, that's a pretty smug way for someone to admit they know sod all about tattoos. I seriously doubt it's true anyway. Nobody who knows a lot of people with tattoos only knows people with exclusively good tattoos. There are always plenty of people with some shit tattoos, tattoos they got at a friend's house when they were drunk or from a really shite tattooist when they were 17, even if the majority of their work is great. If everyone you know only has awesome tattoos that means you only know about two people with any work done anyway.
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Post by: tricia kidd on 14 Feb 2010, 12:35
i'm not talking down to anyone, i'm just saying that i honestly know a lot of people with tattoos and almost all of them are amazing.

now granted i know a lot of people who don't have any tattoos.  the people i know who have tattoos got them very very deliberately.  of course i've seen people at shows or hanging around with mediocre tats, i just mean that out of my actual friends, the ones that have tattoos have good tattoos.

here let me find an example.

(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/57/l_c1ebf1878f9f48fd885bd65a542cd0ce.jpg)

Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 14 Feb 2010, 19:56
I wouldn't say that's an example of a good tattoo while you're trying to say the other ones aren't. Really, not many of the ones on that site did it for me, but the one Emaline commented on is more interesting than that one. I'm not knocking the line work or anything, the picture is too small to judge it by, but it's not very detailed or elaborate, which I think is what the others are trying to say. And seriously I'd recommend looking at the tattoo thread in Pony Debates because there are some amazing tattoos in there that the one you posted doesn't even hold a candle to.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: JD on 14 Feb 2010, 20:05
Reminds me of tribal tattoos
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Feb 2010, 04:25
here let me find an example.

well shit guys we just got trolled the fuck out of us
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: tricia kidd on 15 Feb 2010, 10:37
I wouldn't say that's an example of a good tattoo while you're trying to say the other ones aren't. Really, not many of the ones on that site did it for me, but the one Emaline commented on is more interesting than that one. I'm not knocking the line work or anything, the picture is too small to judge it by, but it's not very detailed or elaborate, which I think is what the others are trying to say. And seriously I'd recommend looking at the tattoo thread in Pony Debates because there are some amazing tattoos in there that the one you posted doesn't even hold a candle to.

there's no accounting for artistic taste, i suppose.  did you know that some people like films that are in black and white?  weird, i know.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2010, 10:55
i like films in black and white just as much as i like films in color.

however that doesn't change that fact that the tattoo you posted is terrible.
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Post by: Alex C on 15 Feb 2010, 10:57
It's kinda nice to see someone go for a balanced pair without just making the dragons mirror images of each other, although I'm not really fond of the end result either.
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Post by: tricia kidd on 15 Feb 2010, 11:16
i'm just saying, if being "detailed and elaborate" is what makes a good tattoo, that's like saying that Avatar is more visually interesting than Pi.
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Post by: JD on 15 Feb 2010, 11:42
That is a pretty elaborate tattoo. More elaborate than I'd like anyway.
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Post by: tricia kidd on 15 Feb 2010, 12:42
there are two schools of thought for people who get tattoos.  most people get tattoos because they want a picture on their body.  some people get tattoos because they want it to look like something that is more of... i suppose an "emblem"?  people make fun of "tribal" tats all the time but really, i much prefer something which is elegantly simple and not a specific reference to anything at all to a picture of someone from a movie or book or a band logo.

it's an aesthetic argument that can't be won, because both preferences are valid.  but they are different and it is also valid to prefer one to the other.
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Post by: Lines on 15 Feb 2010, 14:20
Yes, it's all about aesthetics and everyone's opinion is different. That doesn't make us wrong for disliking the tattoo you posted and it doesn't make you wrong for not being impressed by the shading on that apple or whatever. But I'm an artist. I like things to be visually engaging. I honestly don't mind tribal tattoos, I just think they're banal. I honestly like simple black tattoos over very colorful ones, but I happen to think there's more interesting work out there. Like this (http://img.yourmeatismine.com/image/3989.jpg) and pretty much everything else on that guy's site. They're simple, but very original in style, more intricate, and more dynamic.

But seriously. I know Twilight is stupid, but this is the Twilight thread. There is a tattoo thread where this can be discussed.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: tricia kidd on 15 Feb 2010, 16:21
I'm an artist. I like things to be visually engaging. I honestly don't mind tribal tattoos, I just think they're banal. I honestly like simple black tattoos over very colorful ones, but I happen to think there's more interesting work out there. Like this (http://img.yourmeatismine.com/image/3989.jpg)

i am also an artist.  and that tattoo you linked does nothing at all for me.

anyway.  twilight still sucks.
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Post by: Eris on 15 Feb 2010, 16:43
Man linds, that is my favourite tattoo ever and after seeing that it made me want to get gears for my back tattoo. Why did you have to link me back to that site? Now I'm gonna look at all the tattoos and wish I lived in Canada so I could get a Yann tattoo. fffffffff
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 15 Feb 2010, 21:22
Bahaha! Now you'll just have to get one!
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Post by: Emaline on 15 Feb 2010, 22:31
Linds, that tattoo is fucking awesome!



Also, tricia kidd, seriously. Here is my tattoo. (http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/andlemonade/DSCF1746.jpg) I fucking love it and it is beautiful and amazing. I get compliments on it where ever I go. Regularly.

Now, don't fucking sit here and tell me that the ideas for those tattoos(the Twilight ones) are lame because they aren't very complex, and that they are simple and bland, and then fucking post that tattoo. Are you trying to tell me that it isn't simple or bland? Double U tee f. Seriously? Just fucking admit that you don't like them because they are Twilight related.



And fuck, I'm an artist. I've had shit in galleries, and made a living off my art for awhile. I went to art schools all my life. I think I know a little about art. On top of that, I still fucking hate Twilight. I think it's stupid as hell, and sexist, and a number of other things. I think it sends the wrong message to young kids(based on New Moon[movie], it seems like every time they have a problem they are just like "Well, I'm gonna run away!" Also, how the fuck does one unemployed vampire, who steals cars, and one unemployed teenage girl, travel to Spain or where ever???? They have no money! She stole a fucking car! WTF!) So obviously, I don't care for the movies/books, yet I can still see the artistic quality to a number of those tattoos.


Gosh! Give credit where credit is due!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 15 Feb 2010, 22:47
Yeesh. C'mon now, opinions are opinions. When I disagreed with tricia kidd earlier, it was largely a quibble over the term "poorly done" and a specific tattoo. To me, poorly done implies that even if the idea was alright, the tattoo would have been held back by the tattoo artist's technical skills. I'm not sure if that's entirely fair if you interpret "poorly done" the same way I do. But if she wants to call those tattoos poorly done because she doesn't like the compositions or because the overall designs are boring, well, that shit is rather subjective now, isn't it? We don't need to be getting all aggro about tattoos while talking about twilight on the internet, do we?
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Post by: JD on 15 Feb 2010, 22:53
"I hate vaginas" (http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/15/robert-pattinson-really-really-likes-his-dog/)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 15 Feb 2010, 22:55
Zombiedude, I love you, but not as much as I love vaginas.

I hope you're okay with this.

We can still be cool, right?
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Post by: JD on 15 Feb 2010, 23:02
(http://cassland.org/images/ZDavi.gif)(http://www.facepunch.com/fp/emoot/respek.gif)(http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=6419;type=avatar)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2010, 23:45
Wow, just look at those comments (or don't, they're pretty much all terrible). I can kind of see where he is coming from, vaginas are ugly.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 16 Feb 2010, 00:09
But oh, so delicious.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Surgoshan on 16 Feb 2010, 00:45
Take a minute.  They look like flowers.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 16 Feb 2010, 01:45
But oh, so delicious.

... and you can never eat just one?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Feb 2010, 09:22
I swear he comes out with half the stuff he does to stop all the little girls chasing him because they think he is Edward Cullen.

Mike Patton did something similar when he became a "Heart throb"

Except I think he ment it.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 16 Feb 2010, 10:14
Mike Patton was a heart throb?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: a pack of wolves on 16 Feb 2010, 10:39
The '90s were a strange and difficult time.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Feb 2010, 10:44
I meant he avoided that status, but technically, almost, yes.

He would be to me, if I used the term Heart Throb, which I don't. "Talent & interesting man who is also pleasing to look at & well dressed" would be the longer, but better way to describe any man I find attractive.

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Post by: tricia kidd on 16 Feb 2010, 12:57
when i saw "mike patton" and "well dressed" in the same sentence i bust out laughing.

a GIS later, i feel pretty stupid:

(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/282587/Mike+Patton.jpg)

snazzy!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 16 Feb 2010, 13:11
edward cullen sex pillow! (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/finally-an-edward-cullen-sex-pillow)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Feb 2010, 13:44
Wow that was actually more disturbing than I thought it would be.











The neck, ugh!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 16 Feb 2010, 14:48
I dunno, Mike Patton is looking way too Miami Vice for my tastes. White people shouldn't wear white suits. I'm sure there's exceptions, but you better know damn well what you're doing.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: tricia kidd on 16 Feb 2010, 15:49
I dunno, Mike Patton is looking way too Miami Vice for my tastes. White people shouldn't wear white suits. I'm sure there's exceptions, but you better know damn well what you're doing.

well, i was comparing it to how he dressed in videos at the time Faith No More had a hit single.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Ikrik on 16 Feb 2010, 16:15
edward cullen sex pillow! (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/finally-an-edward-cullen-sex-pillow)

That was so disappointing.  I was totally hoping for one of those anime-style body pillow cover with the character printed on them.  I would have totally bought that to bug the hell out of my girlfriend.  That thing up there though, that's really creepy. 
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Post by: Kugai on 16 Feb 2010, 18:53
edward cullen sex pillow! (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/finally-an-edward-cullen-sex-pillow)

What is seeeeeeennnnn ..........................    :-o
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 16 Feb 2010, 19:12
I dunno, Mike Patton is looking way too Miami Vice for my tastes. White people shouldn't wear white suits. I'm sure there's exceptions, but you better know damn well what you're doing.

I believe we have disagreed on male dress in another thread, Mr Alex Sir. But Mike Patton has pulled off some awesome looks that others have failed to & appears to change his dress sense to match man, or has over the years. (I'm ignoring the video for from out of nowhere...)

But bringing this back to Twilight, Taylor Lutner (The violent wolf love interest) can wear the hell out of suit...
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 16 Feb 2010, 20:48
Mike Patton dresses pretty alright sometimes, and it's not like I hate that suit to death or anything, I'm just not ready to gush over it, since I think it makes him look older than 42 and kinda washed out. Then again, I pretty much think white people damn near always look old, so maybe that's just me.

Anyway, yeah, Tricia's comment is pretty understandable if you mean circa 1989, although I don't really blame Patton for it. I remember reading an interview somewhere in which he cheerfully admitted that his hygiene and grooming wasn't exactly its best while in FNM due to their absolutely brutal touring schedule and going months at a time without seeing his house. Plus, I think he was barely old enough to drink when he joined the band, and it's not like '90s alternative bands were known for their legions of handlers and stylists trying to make them presentable.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: David_Dovey on 17 Feb 2010, 05:24
I think Patton is just generically "ethnic" looking enough to pull that white suit off
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 17 Feb 2010, 07:01
I think Patton is just generically "HOT" looking enough to pull that white suit off

Fixed that for you fella!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 17 Feb 2010, 09:02
I think Patton is just generically "ethnic" looking enough to pull that white suit off

I'll admit that it's growing on me in a "I"m an 80's action movie villain!" sorta way.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 17 Feb 2010, 09:37
The tiles & gate behind make me think of Costa Rica, the way he is wearing the suit makes me think of Drug Lords.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6oKhMPemjY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6oKhMPemjY) Sharp suits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuSJeVOw7I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuSJeVOw7I) Sharp again, but terrible late 90's sunglasses.

If I'm honest even in the epic video, at the time that is what I wanted a fella to look like, ah the 90's!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: David_Dovey on 17 Feb 2010, 23:36
I think Patton is just generically "HOT" looking enough to pull that white suit off
Fixed that for you fella!

I mean if we're gonna play that game you really shoulda dispensed with "generically" as well. Dude is hardly generic.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 18 Feb 2010, 03:06
I honestly don't know what I think is worse: Twilight or Patton's attempts at music.

For a while Faith No More songs were the torturous price you paid to be able to watch the cool videos on Headbanger's Ball. All three of the cool videos.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 18 Feb 2010, 08:47
I really hated Epic, but other than that I have no beef with FNM.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Emaline on 18 Feb 2010, 12:40
Wait. What? Guys, Fantomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fant%C3%B4mas_%28band%29). So great.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 18 Feb 2010, 12:41
I think Patton is just generically "HOT" looking enough to pull that white suit off
Fixed that for you fella!

I mean if we're gonna play that game you really shoulda dispensed with "generically" as well. Dude is hardly generic.

Soz. Will try harder next time. I have just realised I am actually wearing my Angel Dust T Shirt. This made me happy.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 18 Feb 2010, 14:13
Wait. What? Guys, Fantomas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fant%C3%B4mas_%28band%29). So great.

Hey, like I said, as long as it's not Epic we're cool. I just thought that song was all over the place, and not really in a good way.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 18 Feb 2010, 14:16
Fantomas is fucking sweeet.

I was always more partial to Mr. Bungle though....then again, that was when I was when I was in highschool and I can't even remember what they sound like anymore.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 18 Feb 2010, 14:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwWQYg7aS5o

Maybe this will jog the memory.

Anyway.

Twilight still sucks?

Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: tricia kidd on 18 Feb 2010, 14:41
I honestly don't know what I think is worse: Twilight or Patton's attempts at music.

Faith No More is the worst he has ever been involved with (and he wasn't an original band member anyway...)

try listening to this:

(http://www.deftune.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/LovageStrokerAce.jpg)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 18 Feb 2010, 15:22
Twilight still sucks?

Clearly, this thread has no ability to stay on topic! Even bitching about Twilight is getting old.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Feb 2010, 15:48
++++++++++ END OF LINE ++++++++++
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 19 Feb 2010, 00:27
Faith No More is the worst he has ever been involved with (and he wasn't an original band member anyway...)

try listening to this:

LovageStrokerAce.jpg


I appreciate the attempt at getting me involved with this gentleman's work but honestly that picture does not inspire confidence at all.

But thanks ... I might try later.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: David_Dovey on 19 Feb 2010, 01:49
Man if that cover does anything except inspire fervent bonerage then you've already lost
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 19 Feb 2010, 02:32
Strangely enough, I feel totally at peace with that.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Feb 2010, 11:16
Man if that cover does anything except inspire fervent bonerage then you've already lost
I don't know, I get the feeling that isn't a real Single Action Army.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 27 Feb 2010, 02:34
well.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 27 Feb 2010, 02:35
I know photo doctoring is common for movie posters but this is just dumb

(http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TaylorLautnerNewMoonAbspost.jpg)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Theriandros on 01 Mar 2010, 08:24
Is his crotch supposed to look like it's exploding?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 01 Mar 2010, 17:46
ROFLcopter down, send help!
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Surgoshan on 01 Mar 2010, 22:16
Is his crotch supposed to look like it's exploding?

So he had wood.  Obviously the casting director just blew him.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Mar 2010, 00:04
Twilights vampires pretty much rip up the rulebook on powers. Any good vampire should cum blood, if it is capable of having sex at all, but fuck knows what these things do.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Eris on 02 Mar 2010, 00:54
They cum "venom", as all their fluids (tears, saliva, sweat?) are this mysterious venom that not only turns a person into a vampire, but eats through contact lenses and impregnates ovum.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 02 Mar 2010, 02:37
So, I'm reading the books and yeah, there's stuff wrong with them.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Theriandros on 02 Mar 2010, 12:20
Is his crotch supposed to look like it's exploding?

So he had wood.  Obviously the casting director just blew him.

Point taken.

But I happened to be referring to the left side of the picture.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 02 Mar 2010, 12:46
So, I'm reading the books and yeah, everything's wrong with them.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 02 Mar 2010, 13:20
You don't need to fix my post. It wasn't broken.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 02 Mar 2010, 14:21
But I happened to be referring to the left side of the picture.

I lol'd when I saw it
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Alex C on 02 Mar 2010, 16:23
love kate beaton so much
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 02 Mar 2010, 18:01
You don't need to fix my post. It wasn't broken.

It could be mistaken for only "some stuff" instead of "all of the stuff".
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 03 Mar 2010, 01:02
Well ...

Bella is a weakling, Edward is a creepy stalker, Jacob is better but not by much, being rude and hurtful to ladies is okay, obviously ... the books have values which are just hard to defend for anyone over 14 and out of their very first crush.

But ... with the rise in popularity of the Twilight novels there seems to be a rise in the sales of Wuthering Heights. Isn't any book that gets people reading at least an okay book?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 03 Mar 2010, 01:32
It depends on what it gets them to read. A lot of people tried to make the same argument about the Harry Potter books but apparently (and this is just according to anecdotal evidence and my rather poor memory) it just got kids to read Harry Potter and nothing else.

Also Wuthering Heights sucks.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Eris on 03 Mar 2010, 03:55
Wuthering Heights sucks.

Damn. Straight.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Theriandros on 03 Mar 2010, 07:09
It depends on what it gets them to read. A lot of people tried to make the same argument about the Harry Potter books but apparently (and this is just according to anecdotal evidence and my rather poor memory) it just got kids to read Harry Potter and nothing else.

Also Wuthering Heights sucks.

Harry Potter was mildly better. Far from great literature, but it at least wasn't outright harmful.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 03 Mar 2010, 08:25
Wuthering Heights is a dope song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmvs7r1u9c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmvs7r1u9c)

(http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/02/katebush2.jpg)

I hope it gets more kids listening to Kate Bush.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: a pack of wolves on 03 Mar 2010, 09:24
Plus, Cold Comfort Farm isn't as funny if you haven't read Wuthering Heights so it'll prepare them to read Stella Gibbons while listening to Ms Bush.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 03 Mar 2010, 13:15
I think I've done that, Cold Comfort Farm & bush.


(Take that how you want, it works for me.)
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: JD on 03 Mar 2010, 18:10
I think it depends on the time the books came out. The harry potter books were cool because they came out on a yearly basis, so harry and his pals grew up with you.

Twilight was written much faster, I think.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: JD on 03 Mar 2010, 18:14
Also thbbtt why does the point where edward fucks her brains out matter so much.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 03 Mar 2010, 18:50
Wuthering Heights sucks.

Damn. Straight.

I hate Wuthering Heights. Catherine is fickle, whiny, and bitchy and Heathcliff is a horrible horrible guy. Their love is not powerful, it sucks.

Also, Harry Potter is much better than Twilight. First off, even though the characters are fantastical, they make sense and you can connect to them in some way. On a basic level, they are believable, likable characters, whereas Twilight is lacking. (Like the teens had problems real teens would have, like puberty and crushes, etc. while Twilight kind of skipped over that.) Also they are a fun read and actually well thought out. Rowling created a whole new world and yes, wizards are used just as much as vampires, but whereas vampires are pretty much set in what you can do with them, wizards are on a whole different level because, well, they can do anything! (Even be sparkly in sunlight or turn into puppies if they really really wanted to!) Also, other than Harry being an angry little bugger and Ron being a bit of a jerk, none of the "good" characters are abusive to their friends or loved ones, which is possibly the most aggravating thing about Twilight. (Other than Bella being a complete nutter.)

Neither series is elegant when it comes to prose, but Rowling has a much better flow in the way she writes and also created a much more well thought out universe, which is why I feel her books will far outlast anything Meyer has (or will) put out.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 03 Mar 2010, 19:46
When (spoiler) Hedwig died (endspoiler) in the beginning of Book 7, I put the book in the freezer and had to sit alone for a while.

I think that means Rowling did her job well?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 03 Mar 2010, 20:04
Rowling managed to kill all of my favorite characters minus one. I was annoyed, but got over it, because she did a good job in showing how random death is in war. Except Fred. I am still kind of pissed she killed one of the twins, because they are my absolute favorites.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: JD on 03 Mar 2010, 20:06
Pig is the superior owl
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: JD on 03 Mar 2010, 20:07
Does he die? I can't even remember.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 03 Mar 2010, 20:15
I don't even remember Pig getting mentioned past Book 5.

Except Fred. I am still kind of pissed she killed one of the twins, because they are my absolute favorites.

The better one, no less. :(
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: NeverQuiteGoth on 03 Mar 2010, 20:19
Well ...

BellaEdward is a weakling, EdwardBella is a creepy stalker,

Fixed.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Eris on 03 Mar 2010, 21:33
I think it can be read both ways, to be honest. So both of you are right!


Both the main characters are terrible people. Good to know.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: David_Dovey on 04 Mar 2010, 02:08
LEAVE MY HARRY ALONE

To be fair I don't think anybody was really indicting the quality of the HP series, more just decrying the idea that the Harry Potter series was good for kids literacy in general, which is true.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: elizaknowswhatshesfor on 04 Mar 2010, 03:41
My mum, who is a teacher, said something pretty neat on this subject the other night. It was a long the lines of

"What's good for Literacy is reading a varied selection of books for different authors, genres & time periods."

Which I thought was a fair point.
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Lines on 04 Mar 2010, 05:34
It was just an excuse for me to talk about HP so I did. c:
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: Theriandros on 04 Mar 2010, 11:03
Also thbbtt why does the point where edward fucks her brains out matter so much.

She had brains?
Title: Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Post by: scarred on 04 Mar 2010, 13:32
It was just an excuse for me to talk about HP so I did. c:

Any excuse is a good excuse.