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Title: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 01 Feb 2010, 13:17
Fuck you tiny text.  Fuck you.

So uh, I like the end of game continuation dealio where you can ship your cabinmates and all, but what I really like is the booty call button you get installed for cuddling on demand.  On the one hand I'm sort of insulted that Bioware is catering to its customer base in such a base and manipulative manner, but on the other I love cuddles.  Damn you Bioware.

Now as for that giant mechano-skeleton boss, I'm pretty sure I fought him in one of the Contras.  Goddamn it those Reapers are everywhere.  Seriously that end boss was weak.  Like weaker than Dragon Age: Origins.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 01 Feb 2010, 15:26
i do sort of like the idea that the reapers we've seen are based on their harvesting of the protheans.   but ya, giant skeleton boss, meh.

Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 01 Feb 2010, 16:08
The Human Reaper does indeed bear striking resemblance to a boss from Contra 3. It was a little goofy, but I found the concept of the Reapers reproducing in the form of the dominant species kind of intriguing. Also, that the Reapers determine that humanity is their greatest threat out of any of the sentient races pretty much wholly because of Shepard's actions in the first game.

I completed the game without even noticing the booty call button in my quarters, mostly I'm just pissed that my fish died while I was doing N7 missions. I was so careful with them up until that point, damn it.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I brought Miranda along with me to the final battle (she's really a great character in combat, the combination of Overload and Warp makes her useful against almost any enemy type), and she actually sided with me over the Illusive Man when I decided to blow up the base. Considering that she was both my romance option (I didn't like Jack and I have objections to Tali being a romance at all) and that she was so dyed-in-the-wool loyal to Cerberus at the beginning, I found it extremely gratifying that she resigned and cut off the Illusive Man herself before we got the hell outta dodge.

Along with that, other favorite moments were: Samara's and Tali's loyalty missions, pretty much everything about Mordin, Legion and the new dynamic he adds to the geth, the games salesman on the Citadel, and the turian getting friendzoned by the quarian woman on Illium. Oh, and the part where you play as Joker is pretty great as well.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 01 Feb 2010, 16:26
It kinda makes sense that the final boss is kinda lame. It is after all, not fully formed. It was just defending itself, not actively attacking you.

What I am trying to say is Shepard killed a giant robot baby.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 01 Feb 2010, 16:27
Also is there a cuddle option with jack? Also also where do you find that Shepard VI once you take it off of mouse?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 01 Feb 2010, 17:19
Dunno, never pursued a "relationship" with Jack (as opposed to easy, meaningless sex), but I'd be surprised if the intercom button didn't work for her.  As for the VI, I never found it, but that would be a great easter egg.

I completed the game without even noticing the booty call button in my quarters, mostly I'm just pissed that my fish died while I was doing N7 missions. I was so careful with them up until that point, damn it.

After you invite Kelly up to your room, she offers to feed the fish and none of them die for the rest of the game!   I was actually relieved.  Can't stand that tamogotchi shit.  Of course it's never divulged what you actually did with Kelly in your room, only that she hadn't been up so late since college.  Suspicious.  Also I don't think you get the intercom/booty call button until after the final mission.

The part where you play as Joker was awesome, even if it stole directly from a superior part of Call of Duty (the dying in nuclear radiation scene, crap, I got a little misty).

So I'm doing a Renegade run on Insane I think, if only to see what happens if you kill Samara in her loyalty mission.  Oh boy.

As for Mirinda's change of allegiance at the end, yeah I thought it was gratifying even though I dropped her as the relationship option since I was doing a paragon runthrough and Tali seemed more ... paragonal.  It was hilarious when her hard researched solution for the whole exposure to potentially fatal alergens problem turns out to be... antibiotics and herbal supplements.  Fuck, I could have told her that.  Kudos to the writers for never letting you see her face though, even when her mask is off.  You've got to admire that kind of integrity.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 01 Feb 2010, 19:08
I decided that my Paragon Shepard wouldn't romance Tali because he wouldn't have risked killing her just for sex.

And if you kill Samara, Morinth joins you for the rest of the game. Her loyalty power is basically AI Hacking for organics, apparently it can be extremely useful in certain parts of the game. Also, if you talk to her post-game, you can have sex with her and it kills you, which I think is pretty funny.

Also, do you have control over your character after the bomb hits in Call of Duty 4? I don't remember that part being particularly similar, although I haven't played that game in nearly 2 years now.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 Feb 2010, 21:11
There's a "crawling around whilst expiring" part. Peculiarly humorous in light of the larger context of CoD, as are all of the series' attempts to take the war game out of the shallows.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 01 Feb 2010, 22:14
Dunno, never pursued a "relationship" with Jack (as opposed to easy, meaningless sex), but I'd be surprised if the intercom button didn't work for her.  As for the VI, I never found it, but that would be a great easter egg.

Wait yeah it is possible. It's really weird.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 02 Feb 2010, 13:12
Finished my first playthrough!

Imported my paragon soldier female Shepard, and pretty much stayed the same throughout ME2. Made it through the final part with only one casualty (Zaeed, so who cares?).  Also stayed faithful to Kaidan, even though he was kind of an emo ass and only made a cameo in the game.

Gonna make a new Shepard now, play as a sentinel, and totally bang Garrus.

What?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 02 Feb 2010, 14:13
has anyone tried engineer and found it to be far more powerful than the other classes?   i've done soldier and adept all the way through and tried a couple other classes just through like a mission or two.  neither of those has the ability to knock enemies out of cover and tear apart both armor and shields so swiftly.   and with warp ammo bonus, barriers are nothing as well.  i know engineers weren't that popular in me1 but this is quite a big shift for them.   at this point it's the only class i am reasonably confident can get through insanity without a ridiculous amount of frustration.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 02 Feb 2010, 15:10
So far I've found the most effective class to be the Sentinel, as they've sort of done a 180 from ME1 - they're now one of the tougher fighting classes.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 02 Feb 2010, 15:45
Yeah I never used medigel when I played sentinel.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 02 Feb 2010, 16:38
As much as I enjoyed Vanguard I would say it's probably the weakest class from an optimization perspective.  For instance, charge was almost completely useless throughout the final mission and on most of the boss fights.  Given that an optimized class for the PC will have significant bonus damages for (1) Unprotected; (2) Armor; (3) Shields; (4) Barriers, that would imply that the two best classes are Engineer with the Warp Ammo bonus, and Sentinel with the Shredder Ammo bonus.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Melodic on 03 Feb 2010, 02:56
Just finished my Paragon Soldier Insanity playthrough, and am really glad there's a play-through option once you beat the game.

Side mission related question: who needs the fake ID you can take from Harkin in Garrus' loyalty mission?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 03 Feb 2010, 03:13
I don't know if I finished that one, but on Illium there are a couple of characters who you can't fullly speak to but are selectable - they give one liners when interacted with. When you get a certain item however they become the receptors of the item. It's probably somebody out in the Citadel who you couldn't talk to before.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 03 Feb 2010, 03:42
Two asaris at the bottom of the stairwell from the 27th to the 26th floor who only appear some of the time.  It may have to do with who you have in your party, unconfirmed.  After checking every single person in the entire Citadel I cheated and checked the internet.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 03 Feb 2010, 11:29
You have to do Thane's loyalty mission first, and then there will be two asari on the Citadel who can't get through security. You can either give them the IDs or go argue with the customs lady. I suggest you do the latter, Shepard has some pretty funny dialogue if you do.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Feb 2010, 16:41
Has anyone done the Illium Terminal Hack quest from Liara?  I can't seem to find the terminal I need
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 03 Feb 2010, 16:42
Yeah, when the beeping speeds up and the numbers go down you are heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 03 Feb 2010, 16:43
Playing through the game again, it's striking how incredibly small the main game is - the core path takes up about 25% of the game, if that, when we define "core path" as "missions not related to recruitment and NPC backstory". That so much of the game is recruitment (10 out of the, what, 13 or 14 main setpieces, leaving out loyalty missions) feels really weird. On my second playthrough I'm finding the party drama less fun, and I'm wanting more stuff with the collectors and Cerberus that's just not there.

It might just be that beating the game once has stripped it of the mystery and uncertainty of Illusive Man and Cerberus' role in the whole thing, which was a big draw for me the first time I played.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 04 Feb 2010, 03:50
The fuck, I thought I responded to this.  Anyway, yeah man I could not agree with you more.  I get the sense that a lot of this team is going to be on the last episode so hopefully they frontloaded the team gathering this time around and we're going to get a double helping of storyline on the next one.  The kotaku review emphasizing the degree to which the bioware rpgs are getting formulaic was dead on though.

What I was really surprised by was they're their decision not to reveal that the Illusive Man is an alien manipulating humanity for his own ends.  They gave him a number of lines referring to "you humans" or "you and humanity" and between that, the eyes, and the fact that he only interacts via projection I'd say this is pretty much definite.  Yet they're saving the reveal for the final episode.  Seems like a mistake.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Melodic on 04 Feb 2010, 03:57
that is a ridiculous theory
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 04 Feb 2010, 05:07
Say we make a little bet.  Loser has to post a photo of themselves in a dress.  And to specify, I'm betting that it will be revealed in the final chapter that the Illusive Man is not human but either an alien or a robot.  C'mon tough guy, let's see the courage of your convictions.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 04 Feb 2010, 11:58
I think you're wrong but I'm also extremely self-conscious. So fuck it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 04 Feb 2010, 11:59
Not that I want to dissuade you from making the bet, but I'd feel bad if I didn't point out that the name "Illusive Man" is made up of two words: "Illusive" and "Man".

Quote from: Merriam Webster
Main Entry: il·lu·sive
Pronunciation: \i-ˈlü-siv, -ziv\
Function: adjective
Date: 1606
: illusory
— il·lu·sive·ly adverb
— il·lu·sive·ness noun

Main Entry: 1man
Pronunciation: \ˈman, in compounds ˌman or mən\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural men \ˈmen, in compounds ˌmen or mən\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English man, mon human being, male human; akin to Old High German man human being, Sanskrit manu
Date: before 12th century
1 a (1) : an individual human; especially : an adult male human (2) : a man belonging to a particular category (as by birth, residence, membership, or occupation) —usually used in combination <councilman> (3) : husband (4) : lover b : the human race : humankind c : a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes but distinguished especially by notable development of the brain with a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning, is usually considered to form a variable number of freely interbreeding races, and is the sole living representative of the hominid family; broadly : any living or extinct hominid d (1) : one possessing in high degree the qualities considered distinctive of manhood (2) obsolete : the quality or state of being manly : manliness e : fellow, chap —used as mode of familiar address f —used interjectionally to express intensity of feeling <man, what a game>

But hey, I could be wrong.  That could refer to him being a projection.  Or maybe it's a red herring, like communism!

You know I'm probably wrong.  Someone should really make that bet.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 04 Feb 2010, 14:07
That was one thing that annoyed me before ME2's release - You'd think he'd be called the Elusive (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elusive) man, not the Illusive Man.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Melodic on 04 Feb 2010, 16:28
Y'know, I'll take that bet. I'm not particularly sure I'm right, but I don't really care about showing up in a dress on the internet. We have ourselves a deal, sir.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Alex C on 04 Feb 2010, 17:06
That was one thing that annoyed me before ME2's release - You'd think he'd be called the Elusive (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elusive) man, not the Illusive Man.

Yeah, Illusive makes sense too, but the fact of the matter is that you just don't hear people say illusive very damn often. It does seem ever so slightly pedantic when you consider that Elusive brings up many of the same connotations.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 04 Feb 2010, 18:51
It's almost as if the name was picked specifically to suggest something... but what??
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Alex C on 04 Feb 2010, 18:52
Nothin' I care about.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 04 Feb 2010, 22:02
Playing through the game again, it's striking how incredibly small the main game is - the core path takes up about 25% of the game, if that, when we define "core path" as "missions not related to recruitment and NPC backstory". That so much of the game is recruitment (10 out of the, what, 13 or 14 main setpieces, leaving out loyalty missions) feels really weird. On my second playthrough I'm finding the party drama less fun, and I'm wanting more stuff with the collectors and Cerberus that's just not there.

It might just be that beating the game once has stripped it of the mystery and uncertainty of Illusive Man and Cerberus' role in the whole thing, which was a big draw for me the first time I played.

I usually feel this about the middle game in a trilogy.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 04 Feb 2010, 22:04
Yeah but the thing is, the Collectors are obviously out of the picture in ME3, and I'll be surprised if the Illusive Man shows up as the villain for more than one non-plot critical mission (that's assuming they can get Martin Sheen again) so we're left with not a whole lot.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 04 Feb 2010, 23:01
It would be great if the Illusive Man turns on you, hires another group, and you get some mirror team fights going.  I love mirror team fights.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 Feb 2010, 17:36
Do you think they will add any new characters next game?  I think they will just have everyone together/anyone that's still alive.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: messeduplilkid on 05 Feb 2010, 18:21
I'm sure they will, but probably add the Dragon Age aspect of making sure you keep your allies happy and loyal. If you cross the line too many times they end up leaving, which might have consequences of hunting you down/ forming their own team to do it their way/ selling you out to people that already hate you. Ect.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 05 Feb 2010, 18:47
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a number of ME2 party NPCs into non-party NPCs. It's what they did in the transition from BG1 to BG2.

My best guess is that Wrex probably won't be a party NPC, what with his being the new leader of the Kroges and all.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 05 Feb 2010, 19:30
Also, for some people's playthroughs, he's dead.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 05 Feb 2010, 20:57
I don't know anybody who killed Wrex, is the thing. None of the people I've talked to on forums, at least, which is a good number of people. You have to avoid the "persuade / intimidate" options and it seems like a lot of people are conditioned by the metagame to always go for those.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 05 Feb 2010, 21:10
The default playthrough they give you (at least for Male Shepards...I'm unaware if gender or the Spacer/Ruthless decisions at the beginning have any effect on the events of the first game for players not importing saves) has Wrex dead. 

In any case, I killed Wrex in 3 of my 5 ME1 saves (although I only finished 2 by the time ME2 came out).
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 Feb 2010, 21:21
I don't think  I killed Wrex even in my renegades playthrough
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 05 Feb 2010, 21:36
i seem to remember that the only reason you would end up killing wrex was a) you just wanted to or b) you hadn't done his armor mission and not put enough points into charm/intim.   so basically a speed run through with a new character.   a replayed character would most likely have the persuasion to keep him alive and that's the save that most likely someone would carry forward to me2.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 05 Feb 2010, 21:58
I managed to not find out he had an armor mission until just now.  Oh, well, maybe I'll catch it on another playthrough.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 06 Feb 2010, 02:42
So if anybody didn't see the "glimpse" of Illusive Dude at the end of the game I talked about awhile back, you can catch it here, around 1:47 to 1:50.

I figured Illusive Dude was in cahoots with the Collectors. I mean come on, the Collectors might have Prothean DNA, but everything that pointed to the Reapers could just as easily point to Cerberus - they had access to husks, they were always a few steps ahead of Shepard, and they're obviously ends-before-means people with unclear ends. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ioslNR0WiI)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 06 Feb 2010, 04:34
Nice catch.  I don't think he's in cahoots, I think he's a third faction that's trying to acquire and use Reaper technology to take over the galaxy for his own purposes.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 01:38
i skipped to 1:47-1:50 and didn't see shit
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 01:40
is it that weird little glitchy thing

before we base anything off that, keep in mind this game's got a bunch of weird graphic & audio bugs
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 07 Feb 2010, 02:26
ya, i took a closer look at it in game and i have a feeling that it's simply a bad graphical bug.  since shepard is about to have a conversation with him, i think it's part of the loading behind the scenes.  if you look at the rest of the wall there, it seems to be missing the framing that should be hiding mr illusive.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 07 Feb 2010, 02:45
Actually the video isn't very high quality - First time I beat the game I had settings at their highest (with some unofficial AA pushing from my Nvidia card) and it was much, much clearer than that - I'm pretty sure it was the blue glowing eyes that tipped me off.

And I don't know what y'all are talking about re: bugs. Worst thing I've run into has been weird eyelash clipping. Maybe the 360 version has issues?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 07 Feb 2010, 03:02
I played the PC version and during a 40 hour playthrough encountered gamebreaking collision bugs about 4 times.  That being said, I never encountered a bug that could explain that image, and never encountered a bug during a cut scene.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 09:08
last night i brought miranda up to my cabin and sat on the couch beside her but shepard just held onto what appeared to be an air guitar that he wasn't playing and miranda was standing up out of focus beside him so you could only see from her knees to about her elbows and all her limbs were splayed out and she was thrusting, and there's the occasional cutscene where the camera doesn't appear in the right spot, and during samara's loyalty mission the force of the biotic burst apparently made my xbox stop outputting sound soooo
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 07 Feb 2010, 11:44
You know how I know you haven't been properly laid in quite some time?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 12:02
oh do tell
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 12:03
i just wanted to share that bug cause it made what's already kind of an awkward thing to look at even more awkward
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 08 Feb 2010, 18:23
It occurred to me the Illusive man is a lot like the Gman.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 09 Feb 2010, 03:21
me3 is going to be a clusterfuck in terms of the Romance Options

i mean, depending on how they handle recurring characters. cause they said your choice in this game will impact your interactions with your me1 romance in the third game, which makes sense. it just seems like there's going to be a lot of ground to cover, and now that i think about it, it's not just in terms of romance. the whole game is going to be really interesting to see purely from that carryover vantage point - by making the main side quests crucial to character survival, they've guaranteed that any of the characters who make it into the next game are going to have had a bunch of different choices made about them. and the characters that don't make it into the next game probably aren't going to go unremarked.

i haven't had a chance to see what happens if you kill wrex, but obviously the krogan leader is different. i wonder how they're going to handle that with me2's new cast, plus me1's recurring characters. i also seriously wonder how many me2 characters are going to wind up playable in me3. and are romance options going to be playable party members? you wouldn't think so since potentially all of them except liara can die. in fact, that's true of literally every character. what the heck are they going to do!!

sorry, thinking out loud is really tough to read and care about, i know. i'm just really amazed at the dense, divergent narrative structure sitting under this game and i want to find out how they freaking handle it. next couple of years are gonna be agonizing.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 09 Feb 2010, 07:52
I'm looking forward to my Liara/Tali/New NPC fuckpile.  C'mon Bioware developers.  We know you have no integrity.  If you're going to do fan service, go the whole way.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Feb 2010, 10:32
finished my male paragon sentinel last night. the only crew member i lost was Legion, which is not really a very big deal. But then I didn't get the achievement for having them all survive, so I was a little bummed.
Ended up romancing Tali on accident because my previous sweety (the asari, forgot her name) was all "i no longer have emotions, sorry shepard. peace out." and then I pissed Jack off, and I just kind of hate Miranda so....you see what I was left with. Plus, Tali's just so cute when she's stuttering and nervous. i might have actually went "aww" at some point

yeah, the last boss was a little disappointing but I don't even really care. It pretty much made sense so it's alright.


I'm just glad it's done for now so I can finally finish DA:O and then start up my Fallout 3 GOTYE that I picked up used yesterday. I haven't played any of the expansions yet so that should be fun.


question: Do you still get the achievment for having everyone survive if you don't recruit them all? Is it even possible to get that far without recruiting everybody?

Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 09 Feb 2010, 13:07
I'm looking forward to my Liara/Tali/New NPC fuckpile.  C'mon Bioware developers.  We know you have no integrity.  If you're going to do fan service, go the whole way.

Going in I wasn't too worried about sleeping around on Liara because asari are supposed to have a very detached view of relationships due to their long lifespans. But then she went a little crazy between games, so uh... this could go badly for me. Oh well, by the time ME3 comes out I'll probably have 3 separate save files to import anyway.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 09 Feb 2010, 13:15
I definitely got the sense that Liara had moved on during the 2 years you were dead, what with her obsessive quest to kill the Shadow Broker on behalf of a mysterious man to whom she owed her life.  Sorry dude.  There are plenty more blue chicks in the (galax)sea.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Feb 2010, 13:23
There are plenty more blue chicks in the (galax)sea.


how many points did you have to put into your Pun Skill to come with that? I really like it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 09 Feb 2010, 13:45
I definitely got the sense that Liara had moved on during the 2 years you were dead, what with her obsessive quest to kill the Shadow Broker on behalf of a mysterious man to whom she owed her life.  Sorry dude.  There are plenty more blue chicks in the (galax)sea.

It's cool, I like Miranda more anyway. As long as she doesn't put my head through a biotic blender, I'm OK.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 09 Feb 2010, 15:01
question: Do you still get the achievment for having everyone survive if you don't recruit them all? Is it even possible to get that far without recruiting everybody?
In order to get to the endgame, you need Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Garrus, Grunt (or completed the Grunt mission but kept him in stasis) and one team member from the latter half of the game. Loyalty missions optional.

I wouldn't be surprised if you get fucked up without a full team, though. And your party members will die if you don't undertake their loyalty missions.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Feb 2010, 15:08
Yeah, I figured as much.

I'm just planning ahead so on my next playthrough I can do as little work as possible and still finish. I still can't believe stupid Legion got his head blown off, that jackass.


speaking of Legion; can someone tell me what he says when you ask him about his N7 armor? He told me that he recovered it from the wreckage, but when I went to ask him why he kept it/attatched it to himself, I accidentally quit the conversation and couldn't ask again.

I was really curious about why he did that too, but I flubbed it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: BrilliantEraser on 09 Feb 2010, 15:15
He doesn't actually answer. He just looks around furtively and I think says "A consensus has not been reached."

Something like that.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 09 Feb 2010, 15:16
He sort of pauses for a moment and then says "no data found". It implies that Legion (or at least, the geth network that he consists of) has developed some sort of emotion, or at least some interest in/connection to Shepard that he can't quantify in logical terms. I really hope they develop that more in ME3, because I think Legion and the 'true' geth are one of the more interesting wrinkles added to the ME universe in this game.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 09 Feb 2010, 15:17
Damn you, Ibby!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 09 Feb 2010, 15:38
I survived with everyoneeee
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: maxusy3k on 09 Feb 2010, 15:53
Finished my first playthrough of the game tonight, clocked in around 30 hours with all the loyalty missions but not much else - didn't go in for any involved planet scanning or anything.

I don't like the new scanning system at all. As boring as the Mako got, I'd prefer a return to that than the scanning system currently in place - particularly when you bear in mind the Mako was only involved whenever there was a potential side mission available. Having to scan EVERY PLANET in a system to grab resources just feels like a ridiculous burden and makes the idea of going for any kind of completionist run through pretty cringe-worthy.

I didn't manage to save everybody - Tali got shot right in her face pretty early on, but I believe I've figured the mechanics anyway. If I'm right - loyal team members = alive team members - I am a little disappointed about that, too, though I suppose it's only fair. Tali lost her loyalty after she had a fight with Legion and I backed it up so, too bad for her, I guess. Even if I did nearly cry.

On the whole though, I really enjoyed it and I'm certainly going back for more. Completing it without pursuing a romance made the bit before going through the relay pretty depressing, though, moreso when my Shepard was gazing longingly at Ashley's photo on his desk, and he screwed Jack after getting back from Horizon. Getting Ash's email after that escapade where she was all "sorry for being a bitch" was like "Whoops!".

Highlights included:

- Playing as Joker
- The whole thing of not knowing if I had any control over whether my team would survive or not, which made the climax a lot more thrilling than in most games
- Samara's loyalty mission and some of the club dialogue
- My renegade dude Shepard looking like the god-damned Terminator by the end of the game

Quite annoyed at some of the bugs that made it through though... somebody in the other thread mentioned the sound crapping out during the apartment fight in Samara's mission and it happened to me too... I also had to reload an earlier save after the platform fight just before the Reaper at the end since Garrus got himself stuck and became unresponsive, locking him (and therefore the game) in combat. Also had a few cutscene issues which kind of broke the immersion a little.

I like Legion's character and angle... bit of a shame he doesn't show up until so late in the game.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 09 Feb 2010, 16:15
Having to scan EVERY PLANET in a system to grab resources just feels like a ridiculous burden and makes the idea of going for any kind of completionist run through pretty cringe-worthy
As far as I'm aware there's no achievement for depleting the resources of all planets, so a "completionist run through" shouldn't entail scanning more than the 4 or 5 star systems required to get all the relevant upgrades.

I didn't manage to save everybody - Tali got shot right in her face pretty early on, but I believe I've figured the mechanics anyway. If I'm right - loyal team members = alive team members
Not necessarily. Disloyal team members will die, but loyal team members can die based on who you choose for the end-game tasks. I'm pretty sure only Tali and Legion can do the hacking without dying, but they can still die based on your choice of first team leader.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Feb 2010, 16:17
I had a loyal Legion do the hacking and he still got his shiny head blown off.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 09 Feb 2010, 16:25
My paragon veteran Vanguard playthrough had no one die at the end, Legion doing the hacking, Garrus leading the first group, Tali taking the rescued crew members back, Samara doing the biotic shield and Garrus leading the second group.  So, assuming that difficulty doesn't have an impact, that combination seems to work.  Everyone was loyal, and I had purchased all available ship upgrades, of course.

Incidentally, not getting everyone may deprive you of one of the ship upgrades, which I assume will get someone killed -- can anyone confirm what happens if you don't have the upgraded ship gun, shield or armor?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 09 Feb 2010, 18:07
- Playing as Joker
- The whole thing of not knowing if I had any control over whether my team would survive or not, which made the climax a lot more thrilling than in most games

Yeah and yeah.

Legion is a really cool character. Yeah.

Also if you don't want Mordrin to die you ought to send him back with the crew. Fucking asshole just died on me for no good reason.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 09 Feb 2010, 18:14
As far as I know Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob should lead the groups, and Tali or Legion should do the hacking.  Anything else and they may die.  I had Legion do the hacking, but Zaaed leading the group and Legion got his head taken off by a rocket.

Also either use Jack or Samara/Morinth for the biotic and everyone should be just fine. Plus, you know, they should be loyal to you.

I had a scary moment after the second part where Garrus got hit, but it turns out he was just fine.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 09 Feb 2010, 18:21
Yeah - that happened to me with Miranda and I almost lost my mind. It's an endgame trick that will only work once, but boy did it ever work.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 09 Feb 2010, 20:44
OK, here's the deal for all the possible solutions to the suicide mission:

Tali or Legion can handle the vents. If you send somebody other than those two, they'll die, and if you have a bad person leading the first fire team, the person in the vents will die no matter who it is.

Garrus, Miranda, and Jacob can lead the fire teams successfully. A lot of people in the SA thread used Zaeed, because they're dumb and didn't pay attention to the fact that he pretty much always got his team killed.

Anybody can safely escort the crew, as long as they're loyal. If you send a disloyal person back they'll get iced, if you send nobody back with them the crew dies.

Samara or Jack can do the biotic shield. If you pick somebody else, then the game picks one of the two squad members with you in the shield section at random and kills them.

Anybody who goes with you to the final boss has to be loyal or they'll get killed by the debris.

As Johnny mentioned, apparently Mordin can die for no apparent reason even if you do all these steps right. There's no indication whether this is a bug or just an unlucky roll of an RNG or something, but it's easy to fix if you send him back with the crew or bring him with you to the final boss.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: maxusy3k on 10 Feb 2010, 02:55
That's pretty good, then, and way better than the rigid logic I thought was behind it. Seems I got Tali killed by having her being disloyal then, since I had her up in the vent.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 10 Feb 2010, 10:55
Yeah - with the exception of Mordrin, I've never heard about anyone dying where the player didn't bring it on themselves.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 10 Feb 2010, 12:43
Actually, there is a reason for why Mordin can die.  It's not mere randomness at all.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1117936&lf=8

Makes sense, really.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 10 Feb 2010, 13:11
I'm not seeing it, besides the speculation that you need to leave the natural leaders behind.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 10 Feb 2010, 14:52
Man, I didn't want to bone Tali going into this game and was going to aim for Miranda but that dang quarian was so dang adorable that I couldn't not.

Fucking great from start to finish.

Need ME3 now.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 10 Feb 2010, 17:38
holy crap!  you mean all that talking to people and learning about their pasts means we're supposed to work out the implications of their actions on the extremely important mission that no one is expected to survive unless everyone does the job they were specifically recruited for because they are the best of the best?

in the word of dr. drew, shockiiiiiing!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Thomas Edison on 11 Feb 2010, 00:17
Why are people not fucking Miranda?! (http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/ga/ul/581006192041/inlineimg/Y/yvonne-strahovski.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Feb 2010, 00:57
1) she isn't real
2)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Feb 2010, 01:00
Actually, there is a reason for why Mordin can die.  It's not mere randomness at all.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1117936&lf=8

Makes sense, really.

it doesn't make sense cause the person i sent back was grunt and nobody else had died. beyond that, how could mordrin lead a goddamn crew of people back through the collectors' ship but not hold his own alongside garrus, jacob, samara, etc.? it's the only thing in the game that drives me crazy.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Thomas Edison on 11 Feb 2010, 01:10
I am worried by how long it took the guy on that forum to figure out why Kelly kept dying for him.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Felrender on 11 Feb 2010, 01:24
Actually, there is a reason for why Mordin can die.  It's not mere randomness at all.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1117936&lf=8

Makes sense, really.

it doesn't make sense cause the person i sent back was grunt and nobody else had died. beyond that, how could mordrin lead a goddamn crew of people back through the collectors' ship but not hold his own alongside garrus, jacob, samara, etc.? it's the only thing in the game that drives me crazy.
Mordin was once a member of the Special Task Group, and is good at stealth.  This is mentionedalmost every time you speak with him.

Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 12 Feb 2010, 11:58
Actually, there is a reason for why Mordin can die.  It's not mere randomness at all.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1117936&lf=8

Makes sense, really.

it doesn't make sense cause the person i sent back was grunt and nobody else had died. beyond that, how could mordrin lead a goddamn crew of people back through the collectors' ship but not hold his own alongside garrus, jacob, samara, etc.? it's the only thing in the game that drives me crazy.
I didn't send back Mordin and he survived the "hold the line" sequence.  It's still partly random.

And Mordin actually is good for leading the crew back since he's an expert at stealth, reconnaissance, and subterfuge.  If anyone could sneak by the Collector forces it'd be him.  (That said, anyone who is loyal can successfully escort the crew back.)  And there's a difference between being on the move and escorting non-combatants versus buckling down behind cover for X amount of minutes under intensive fire.  Although both are very stressful, one is far better suited for the type like Grunt, who thrive under direct pressure versus the type like Mordin, who has experience operating behind enemy lines with a small team without direct engagement.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 12 Feb 2010, 13:06
I didn't send Mordin either. I just also took non-defenders with me to fight the reaper.

It's not random, it's just complex.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 12 Feb 2010, 14:07
Mordin hasn't died on me once.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 12 Feb 2010, 14:08
Oh, I forgot.

Say we make a little bet.  Loser has to post a photo of themselves in a dress.  And to specify, I'm betting that it will be revealed in the final chapter that the Illusive Man is not human but either an alien or a robot.  C'mon tough guy, let's see the courage of your convictions.

Taking you up on this bet so hard. Not the least of which because I look damn good in a dress, but also if this were true then the Renegade ending they seem to be leading up to won't happen.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 12 Feb 2010, 14:21
My secret plan to give myself an excuse to appear on the forums in a dress is working.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 14 Feb 2010, 11:49
Currently playing as an Infiltrator in a Hardcore playthrough and just did Tali's recruitment mission.

Managed to save Kal'Reegar even when telling him to distract the Colossus.  Took a few very frustrating tries (culminating in me dying and yelling "GODDAMNIT!" and then my dog looked at me and gave me a look that said, "WHAT THE HELL, MAN, CHILL OUT" and then it went back to sleep) but finally managed to do it.  Still was a fun boss fight.

One thing I like about the game is how it's always changing little things up.  Like the biotic power increases in Samara's recruitment mission, where if you went into the gas your biotic powers would increase dramatically but if you went up too much you'd die - but then the same thing happened for the enemy, too.  Or in Tali's recruitment mission where if you were in the sunlight then your shields would drain.  (Fun tip: bring Grunt for Haestrom since the sunlight doesn't affect his armor.)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 14 Feb 2010, 12:49
I want Kal'Reegar as a heavy weapons specialist in the third game.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Felrender on 14 Feb 2010, 13:24
I want Kal'Reegar as a heavy weapons specialist in the third game.

Him and an rocket launcher called "Vera".
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 14 Feb 2010, 16:32
Also hey wouldn't garrus and tali taste sweet, because Dextro amino acids are like Dextrose?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 14 Feb 2010, 16:32
Reed you're a magic science man, tell me if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Reed on 14 Feb 2010, 20:59
Not in the least, dextro is referring to their chirality. Any asymmetric organic molecule can be divided by the way it rotates light. So dextro and levo amino acids are exactly the same, with the exception being how the side groups around the alpha carbon are arranged. The only organisms on earth known to use D-amino acids are bacteria that use them structurally, not as the building blocks of proteins. I'm not 100% certain, but I think that their statements about D-amino acids causing allergic reactions in humans is bullshit. Chances are the amino acids simply wouldn't be processed by your body and would just be flushed out. Dextrose (glucose) is just a monosaccharide (and surprisingly not that sweet on its own, sucrose is much sweeter [I was actually curious about this so I tasted one of our 20% glucose stocks in lab]).

d-alanine:

(http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/1biochem/graphics/3.gif)

l-alanine:
(http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/1biochem/graphics/4.gif)

dextrose:
(http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/classes/bioc462/462bh2008/462bhonorsprojects/462bhonors2007/gsantarelli/glucose.gif)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Reed on 14 Feb 2010, 20:59
And that, ladies and gentlemen, concludes today's lesson in biochemistry.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 14 Feb 2010, 23:25
I want Kal'Reegar as a heavy weapons specialist in the third game.

Him and an rocket launcher called "Vera".

word.   it would be awesome to have him come back in 3.  also, i really get the impression that he's sweet on tali.  but she's mine!   well, my engineer's anyway.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 15 Feb 2010, 09:11
So apparently there's a bug where Grunt's loyalty quest doesn't unlock Fortification if you do other quests on Tuchanka before returning to the Normandy. Be careful about that one.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 15 Feb 2010, 09:49
So I completed my insanity renegade sentinel playthrough... finally.  The second time through was kind of boring, but definitely get Morinth if you haven't already.  Her group mind control ability is ridiculous fun in the final mission.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 15 Feb 2010, 11:30
So apparently there's a bug where Grunt's loyalty quest doesn't unlock Fortification if you do other quests on Tuchanka before returning to the Normandy. Be careful about that one.
There might be a couple of those, I think... I never unlocked anything for getting Jacob's loyalty. No idea why.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 18 Feb 2010, 00:30
Just finished the game, got it a few days ago and started playing it.  Uploaded my space soldier war hero and totally kicked some ass.  I love the bullets and the adrenaline rush quick buttons.  Hooked up with Tali and saved the entire crew.  Kaiden wasnt to happy to see me though and thinks me a traiotr.  I love how all the old squad mates are bus doing their own thing but is it just me or did Liara do a 180 going from sweet and innocent to devious?  And I didnt realize that the club owner in the afterlife is trinity.  Good game love the changes they made but I cannot find the last model ship for my collection!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Melodic on 18 Feb 2010, 00:35
That's the most OCD post I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 18 Feb 2010, 00:36
prolly missing the kodiak shuttle or whatever it's called.   it's available at the memories store in illium but not until later in the game.   most likely after a certain loyalty mission.   the only other one that it's possible to not catch is the one from tali's mission but that one is hard to miss.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 18 Feb 2010, 03:46
I heard that if you mine every planet to depleted you get a special ending ... shifty eyes...
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: ackblom12 on 18 Feb 2010, 06:26
And for some reason, my fist playthrough I never noticed the commentary Tali gave when she sent out her Drone.

"Go for the optics,  Jarteega! go for the optics!"

So good.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 18 Feb 2010, 12:42
I have to say I like the quarians, especially after experiencing more of them and their home/culture/military (Kal'Reegar is awesome!) in this game.  They seem pretty cool and the pure geth seems like a good balance too.  After the dialog with tali and legion I kind of wonder if its possible for the two races to start heading towards peace.  It almost sounds from Legion that the (pure)geth has no hard feelings towards organics and maybe they can work out their differences.  maybe in ME3 they team up to help fight the reapers and find some sort of peace.

honestly I wanted to hook up with miranda but I really liked tali from the first (and really didnt care for Liara or Ashley) and she was just so damn cute in this one.  When I finish my sentinel from ME1 and import him maybe I'll explore that.  I honestly didnt care for Jack at all both as a team player and a crew member.  I felt that I could have just used someone else for her spot and didnt use her.  Her story and attitude was interesting but some how it sounds familiar from a movie or something but I cant honestly remember from where. Dark Angel?

I was hoping to see Kelly hook up with Garrus, she seemed rather fond of him once he joined the crew.  And I didnt find out until near the end that she could feed my fish for me... My tank is where fishes go to die...

I also quite liked Grunt and Mordin's loyalty missions.  Theirs, legions, and Talis were most fun.  I liked thane but his mission bugged out on me.  He needed more character development IMHO. Mordin's singing ability is pretty sweet.

As for favorite new non-squad characters it would have to be the engineers.  They are just too funny.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 18 Feb 2010, 13:56
I like the tendency of my squad mates to yell things like "Impressive!" and "Excellent shot!" when they get headshots.  Cocky, and a little conceited, but definitely awesome.

edit: by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZHihhoTd8Q
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 18 Feb 2010, 15:50
I boned Jack and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 18 Feb 2010, 16:01
Yeah, I was gonna go with Jack but then I accidentally pissed her off forever. Luckily, I recruited Tali right afterwards and saw the horrible mistake I would have made.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 18 Feb 2010, 17:39
I like the tendency of my squad mates to yell things like "Impressive!" and "Excellent shot!" when they get headshots.  Cocky, and a little conceited, but definitely awesome.

edit: by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZHihhoTd8Q

I've heard Mordin say, "Headshot...boom," a few times.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 18 Feb 2010, 18:47
I like the tendency of my squad mates to yell things like "Impressive!" and "Excellent shot!" when they get headshots.  Cocky, and a little conceited, but definitely awesome.

edit: by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZHihhoTd8Q

I've heard Mordin say, "Headshot...boom," a few times.
yeah I died after that I was laughing too hard. I like the references they put in the game.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 18 Feb 2010, 19:02
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1371/calibrations3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 19 Feb 2010, 00:13
booya
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: FIXDIX on 20 Feb 2010, 01:31
Just finished this a few hours ago. I never got around to fully playing through my ME1 save which is now on my old 360 which my friend has so I started a new game for ME2. Went female vanguard, full renegade. I made a point of saving twice before I went into the Omega Relay, just in case and I'm glad I did. The first playthrough Jacob got a missle to the face when Zaeed lead the first assault team then my un-loyal Tali died after I sent her with Chakwas.

I used Samara as the biotic shield and had Legion and Mordin as my wingmen for the fight and final boss.

I'm now gonna start a male paragon on ME1 and then plan to import that character into ME2 where I want everyone to die at the end of the final mission.

...is that even possible? Everyone dying, that is.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 20 Feb 2010, 05:40
my "how bad can it be" run ended up with just one survivor.   no loyalty missions but i had upgraded a couple of the weapons.   been meaning to try and get shepard killed but i've been spending a lot of time just trying out all the classes.   and trying to create kevin spacey.  passing resemblance in two attempts.   i think the problem is the hair styles are a bit limited.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 21 Feb 2010, 22:45
Money on a liara/shadow broker dlc coming out at some point.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 21 Feb 2010, 22:53
~doubtful~
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 21 Feb 2010, 23:00
Disagree (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2767218&postcount=1|source)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 22 Feb 2010, 00:22
A continuation of the storyline I can maybe see, but I doubt we'll see any resolution until the third chapter. Bioware love money, but as far as I can tell they seem really dedicated to as many people getting as much of the storyline as possible - so I'm gonna guess that whatever actions you take in the hinted Liara DLC will carry over, and people will respond to them, but someone who didn't buy the DLC will have to be able to see a similar outcome. It'd seem kind of out of step with the rest of the series' modus operandi for Bioware to do otherwise.

Incidentally do you want to maybe link that kind of thing first next time
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Feb 2010, 00:25
Dude was trying to fleece y'all
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 22 Feb 2010, 00:26
I know! What a douche manoeuvre.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 22 Feb 2010, 08:07
 :evil:
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: mberan42 on 22 Feb 2010, 14:07
Beat this yesterday. Tali died, as did the Normandy crew. Didn't care about Tali 'cause I fucked up her loyalty quest and submitted the evidence. She got pissed and didn't become loyal to me. I regretted that, but ultimately didn't care. I didn't send anyone back with the Normandy crew 'cause I was worried about them dying too. Everyone else was loyal to me, though. Where Miranda was shot I was like "oh fuck no, not her too!" 'cause I boned her.

Someone mentioned the Terminator look - I totally didn't buy the medical bay upgrade 'cause I liked the scars. I went pretty renegade for my first play-through.

Two questions:
1. I never fully upgraded a weapon on my first playthrough, despite going through pretty much all of the Anomaly quests. (Scanning all the planets in the galaxy was a bitch, and I hate mining, but I liked most of the quests.) Is that supposed to be the case? Can I upgrade it fully on the 2nd playthrough?
2. I also only reached level 25. I assume I can get to 30 on play #2, right?

I probably have other thoughts, I just don't remember them atm.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 22 Feb 2010, 14:20
Your weapon upgrades do not carry over to playthrough 2, but your level does. I finished at level 28 first time, and hit 30 right after Freedom's Progress on NG+. Each weapon has 7 upgrades, but some of them are bought in shops and others are found in the environment before you can research them. You have to be pretty thorough. I did enough mining to research every upgrade I had available, but I didn't upgrade all the weapons. I know that I was missing at least one sniper rifle upgrade, and I think a SMG one as well. You don't have to do that much mining to get enough resources, really. You find enough on random quests that you really don't need more than a system or two's worth of minerals. On NG+ it's even easier because you start out with 50000 of every resource, which is actually enough to get every element zero upgrade in the game.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 23 Feb 2010, 09:00
You'll hit level 30 on your second full playthrough anyway because of the 25% experience bonus, I believe.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 23 Feb 2010, 11:46
Ah yes, the supposed

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Xegar/reapersairquotes.gif)

"Suicide mission"

Beaten it twice, and even without everyone loyal no one died.  It hardly feels like an accomplishment.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 23 Feb 2010, 11:49
He can't do airquotes, he isn't using two fingers.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 23 Feb 2010, 11:59
Come to think of it, with only 3 fingers, the Turians' military prowess is all the more impressive.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 23 Feb 2010, 12:07
He can't do airquotes, he isn't using two fingers.
You Humans are all racist!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 23 Feb 2010, 12:23
He can't do airquotes, he isn't using two fingers.
You Humans are all racist!
didnt the batarians say that at one time or another? :roll:
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 23 Feb 2010, 20:24
Naw that was that turian commuter when you enter the citadel.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 24 Feb 2010, 02:26
Beaten it twice, and even without everyone loyal no one died.  It hardly feels like an accomplishment.

Guess what?

(The answer is, "Fuck you.")
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 24 Feb 2010, 11:21
I mentally added Turian quotation marks to that "Fuck you."

I play this game way too much.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 25 Feb 2010, 12:11
I just finished my second way through and I have to ask, after destroying the collectors and talking to the illusive man, jacob said that Cerberus is "on our tail" does that mean the normandy and its crew are no longer Cerberus? Is Cerberus "after me?"
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 25 Feb 2010, 12:33
I think we'll find the answer to that in ME3, LeeC.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 25 Feb 2010, 12:38
It makes sense, though I'm not sure if they can get Martin Sheen back for 3. There are all sorts of concerns about the Normandy SR2 but with EDI as a fully functional AI I would assume she can counteract all of them.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 25 Feb 2010, 12:47
I think we'll find the answer to that in ME3, LeeC.
:cry: but...but...but...that'll take forever!
(http://lolcat.com/images/lolcats/1028.jpg)

speculating for ME3, shepard is homeless
a)go back to the alliance
b)work strictly for the citadel
c)go rogue
d)work for cerberus
e)banana hammock!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Storm Rider on 25 Feb 2010, 13:47
It makes sense, though I'm not sure if they can get Martin Sheen back for 3. There are all sorts of concerns about the Normandy SR2 but with EDI as a fully functional AI I would assume she can counteract all of them.

Yeah, after saving them all from abduction I would have to think that the crew would be more loyal to Shepard at that point than Cerberus, especially considering what the Illusive Man wanted to do with the technology. After what we learn about Cerberus and its resources at the end of the game once EDI gets her blocks removed, I am more than looking forward to that confrontation. If he wants his awesome spaceship that I spent several months upgrading to the best fucking frigate in the galaxy back, then I dare him to come and try to take it from me.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 25 Feb 2010, 13:56
I swear to fucking God if they blow up the ship at the start of ME3 I'm gonna find the guy who designed planet scanning and actually kill him
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: pilsner on 25 Feb 2010, 15:20
If enough people ask for that feature, they might insert as a feature.  I mean, it's more plausible than Tali as a love interest isn't it?

Anyway, this from an Escapist thread regarding the true identity of the Illusive Man:

Quote from: Some random guy
I know who the Illusive Man is.  The Illusive Man is Conrad Verner.

Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Felrender on 25 Feb 2010, 16:31
I was playing as Full Paragon, and had to restrain myself from shooting Conrad in the foot.  Also, when the fuck did I (As a full Paragon in ME1) point a gun in his face?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 25 Feb 2010, 16:39
Yeah, that bugged me too.

I was like "wait, I was super friendly and helpful to that guy wtf?!"
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 25 Feb 2010, 16:43
No not that Shepard the other one
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 25 Feb 2010, 16:47
sheperd clones recruitable in ME3 confirmed you heard it here first
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 25 Feb 2010, 16:49
I remember at the end of Conrad's thing in the ME1 you do point a gun in his face.  After that you tell him to be an awesome person or tell him to fuck off.

But fuck, I didn't think I would drive him crazy by letting him take pictures of me and get my autograph.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 25 Feb 2010, 20:29
I swear to fucking God if they blow up the ship at the start of ME3 I'm gonna find the guy who designed planet scanning and actually kill him
amen to that, i mean this frigate took down a collector ship, which looks more like a dreadnought class...and this dreadnought severely bitch smacked an alliance frigate!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 26 Feb 2010, 09:39
I feel like it's a sin to my childhood to say that I like the Normandy more than I... Than I...

Like the Millennium Falcon  D}:
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 26 Feb 2010, 09:43
Oh my god I hadn't even made that connection but I do too.

Also I've been playing Civ 4 as Roosevelt and naming him Buttfranklin.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 26 Feb 2010, 10:15
Well it's your ship, especially after seeing the wreckage.  The Millennium Falcon is Han's ship and we get to see very little of it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 26 Feb 2010, 11:46
I will grant the MF one thing over the Normandy:  Chewbacca.

Quote
Also I've been playing Civ 4 as Roosevelt and naming him Buttfranklin.
Now that's a name I can get behind.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 26 Feb 2010, 14:55
I thought grunt was chewbacca of the normandy
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 26 Feb 2010, 15:42
He doesn't have a bromance going on with Shepard the way Chewbacca does with Han Solo, though.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 26 Feb 2010, 20:02
He doesn't have a bromance going on with Shepard the way Chewbacca does with Han Solo, though.
depends how you look at it...
Garrus and grunt maybe?  Nah grunt is pretty wookie like...but intentionally violent...
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 27 Feb 2010, 14:47
He is the Chewie of the Normandy, but he isn't Chewie, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 27 Feb 2010, 18:02
I'd think he'd still rib someone's arms off if he lost a game though... :wink:

edit to avoid double post:
So I replayed ME1 as a sentinel and did all the side missions that would carry over (shepherds mom, pilgrimage, etc) and this time I let the council live and let Udina become councilor.  I have to say after talking to the council in ME2 everyone seems happier and I got reinstated to the spectres in a respectful way, and Admiral Anderson seems happier than when I made him a councilor and killed the council (and reinstatement to the spectres seemed more like an after thought than a serious matter).  So I guess come ME3 you are still with the council and no longer apart of Cerberus (if you destroy the station?) so the Normandy SR2 becomes your own personal ship and you return to citadel space...perhaps in ME3 you kill the illusive man?  :wink:
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: kemon on 10 Mar 2010, 05:01
so finally got around to doing my 'shepard dies at the end' run.

i'm a little disappointed that there wasn't a little more to it than that.   it seems like such an event warrants much more of a treatment than it was.

but i felt better after the part where it seems to show joker stepping up and carrying on in shepard's place.  maybe cerberus can lazarus project joker and he'll be the main character in me3.   that'd be fun.   and since people don't seem to like mark meer that much, they can listen to seth green the whole way instead.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 05 Nov 2010, 20:05
I finally played this through. It's good but the actual missions are disappointing and it completely misses out on the epic scale the original occasionally captured. There's no equivalent to Virmire, Ilos or the return to the Citadel. The level design is horrible for the most part, being simply one dingy spaceship to the next. The ending is a big let down. Recruiting the crew and getting them all loyal is fun but then when you embark on the actual game, it's done in an hour or so. I suppose that ultimately it suffers from middle child syndrome. The gameplay and combat was nicely smoothed out but the story was very lacking. I hope they sort it all out for the third because I like the universe and the characters.

Interestingly, my Sheppard is a mature, professional female paragon infiltrator. I wasn't remotely tempted to try to create myself in the original game and I'm very glad of it by the second. Curiously, although I'm a notorious Lothario in real life, my Sheppard has never entered into a romance with anybody, even at the end of this chapter. I don't think that will change in the next episode but I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 06 Nov 2010, 06:27
I agree. It was mechanically a huge step up from the pretty flimsy action and basic stat-whoring in the first game, but the levels and characters (although to a much lesser degree, and mostlybecause of what I say next) were lacking in comparison. A person on another forum I frequent calls it a space-dating sim, and he's not far off; the loyalty missions feel a bit tacked on (and I honestly don't see how they couldn't, even with the best writing in the history of games) when compared with the 'hunt down Saren/be a futurehero' missions of the first game. They're sidequests is what I'm saying, and so when you look at it there's really only three missions and some space-dating.

Not that what is there isn't rather good. But Garrus romance is silly and shouldn't exist.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 06 Nov 2010, 09:37
Just chiming in to say some of the vistas in that game were fucking gorgeous.  They need to keep doing that.  I may have just spent the last 10 minutes collecting a bunch of dog tags, but when I get to the last one near the edge of an icy chasm as solar flares are railing against the atmosphere of the moon I'm on, I don't give two shits about whatever it is I just did. 

I think I'm gonna go look at pictures now.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Nov 2010, 10:09
well, the meat of the game really isn't the collectors thing, it is the work of gathering your team and doing their loyalty missions. in that sense i'm actually quite enamoured with what bioware did. the space opera stuff didn't pan out as well in this game (except i actually quite enjoyed a bunch of the environments, with the grandiose sequence in the heart of the collector ship and the bit where you're running around on a derelict reaper, the port side of which is exposed to space, being standouts) but where they did succeed is that they made the universe concrete, tangible, and interesting in a way it previously wasn't. the characters you collect are meant not as stereotypes of their species but individuals who codify and exemplify certain traits, and "earning their loyalty" inevitably means learning something about their culture which was hitherto fascinating/unrevealed/unexplored.

i think that's what makes the idea of shephard's relationships with them as kind of "friendship through therapy" work – the situations they're anxious to achieve closure with largely reflect their culture. with grunt, it's krogan infighting and a fear of a culture dying. with mordrin, it's serious doubts about how his species uses its gifts for science. with miranda, it's grave concerns about fate, genetics and personal ownership of the two. &c. bioware reveal these anxieties by having you blast/talk/blast-talk your way through them, and while there might be disagreements over how effective that can possibly be (full disclosure: i dig blasting dudes and chatting with dudes as primary gameplay modes so i found it basically effective) the point is more that it's something they try to do, and that as both an exercise in storytelling and a narrative hook it's at the very least super interesting.

i'm a bit bummed about how you aren't primarily a galactic superhero anymore (and i'm incidentally still bummed about how straight-up evil some of the renegade options are!) but if that's the tradeoff i have to make in order to make shephard feel like one character in a smartly-populated universe, it's one i'm willing to make.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Nov 2010, 10:18
the other thing i'll say, which will probably make me seem condescending but i'm going to say it anyways, is that bioware makes it clear on the back cover that the vast, vast majority of the game isn't the collectors missions, and that staffing your ship is going to take up a significant chunk of your time. so i mean i don't think the "three main missions" point is an especially valid one to make; there's three that the game forces you on, but the main missions are patently the "side missions" of gathering your team. the collectors stuff is a macguffin; it's a way to get you out into the game world to start doing what they really want you to do and to make your choices within those "side missions" have, in some cases, consequences. and while it's a macguffin with a bit of payoff (creepy post-fetal death robot... MADE FROM HUMAN ATOMS!) it's a macguffin all the same.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Cartilage Head on 06 Nov 2010, 12:27
I just have to say, this series is the only reason I regret choosing a PS3.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Alex C on 06 Nov 2010, 12:55
My problem with ME1 is that it had a few good primary missions and then everything else kinda sucked. Maybe the events in ME1 were more important on some kind of galactic scale, but I was dealing with more throwaway NPCs and my sidekicks didn't really give a shit about any of the missions we went on, so it didn't really feel very important. You save the universe so damned often in video games that I don't really see "Space Super Hero" as a big hook at this point, particularly if it turns out Bioware can keep delivering neat set pieces even when touching upon "smaller" stories, which is something I think they accomplished in ME2.

It also helps that I found the ME2 party members far more interesting than in the first game. It's not a matter of which group of personalities I liked better so much as it comes down to the simple fact that the characters had so much more to work in this one when it came to making an impression. I liked some of ME1's party members, but aside from a few big events and ship conversations things were always pretty impersonal, whereas ME2 is manifestly about the characters to a much large degree. My favorite characters in Mass Effect 2 are probably Mordin, Garrus and Tali, yet despite 2 of those characters being in the first game as well I feel as if the gap between the two games is much wider than that. It's because in the first game Garrus and Tali are basically there to play good soldier. They stick by you, they all agree stopping Saren is the most important thing, and everything else takes a back seat. In ME2 they play their parts willingly but their own problems are simultaneously more personal and more important than in the first game.

 As Johnny said, the themes involved are deeply rooted in the cultural identity of the characters. Garrus keeps trying to help the galaxy like a good Turian but in both games now taking down a Turian who once had good intentions becomes a primary focus, and it's pretty clear the stress is getting to him. His wounded pride makes him a less malleable character than in the first game and helps him make a stronger impression. Likewise Tali is a full-on adult by Quarian standards and her responsibilities to the flotilla require more sacrifice than coming back with some cube.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 06 Nov 2010, 13:14
I just have to say, this series is the only reason I regret choosing a PS3.
If you'd just be superhumanly patient, you'd get to play it too! It's coming out for the PS3... sometime in 2011, I think?

i think that's what makes the idea of shephard's relationships with them as kind of "friendship through therapy" work – the situations they're anxious to achieve closure with largely reflect their culture. with grunt, it's krogan infighting and a fear of a culture dying. with mordrin, it's serious doubts about how his species uses its gifts for science. with miranda, it's grave concerns about fate, genetics and personal ownership of the two. &c. bioware reveal these anxieties by having you blast/talk/blast-talk your way through them, and while there might be disagreements over how effective that can possibly be (full disclosure: i dig blasting dudes and chatting with dudes as primary gameplay modes so i found it basically effective) the point is more that it's something they try to do, and that as both an exercise in storytelling and a narrative hook it's at the very least super interesting.

...

the other thing i'll say, which will probably make me seem condescending but i'm going to say it anyways, is that bioware makes it clear on the back cover that the vast, vast majority of the game isn't the collectors missions, and that staffing your ship is going to take up a significant chunk of your time. so i mean i don't think the "three main missions" point is an especially valid one to make; there's three that the game forces you on, but the main missions are patently the "side missions" of gathering your team. the collectors stuff is a macguffin; it's a way to get you out into the game world to start doing what they really want you to do and to make your choices within those "side missions" have, in some cases, consequences. and while it's a macguffin with a bit of payoff (creepy post-fetal death robot... MADE FROM HUMAN ATOMS!) it's a macguffin all the same.
I think that's a really valid point, but at the same time I don't think Bioware really came through on the consequences bit, in that they've still painted Shepard into a heroic corner by simple virtue of the narrative (which is something most developers do, but still) - They pulled off renegade options much better in ME2 than they did with ME1, but at the end of the day being a renegade still doesn't make any goddamn sense, and the game reinforces this notion by having you outright fail unless you ingratiate yourself to the crew, whereas the first game every backstory built up Shepard as a person who was perfectly capable of getting shit done without anyone else's help, as a paragon or renegade.

That in itself is not much of a problem, since there can be odds that even Shepard can't overcome and it won't break the setting, but more than that there is an obviously optimal choice to make instead of several choices that would make a game decision difficult - the writers are too enamoured of their characters and will essentially punish the player for ignoring at least the few of them from which you purchase Normandy upgrades. This is reflected in choices from the first game as well - the Rachni Queen decision, for example, clearly shows how a paragon character essentially gains while a renegade character essentially loses. That could be rectified in the third game, but I'm not holding my breath. If anything I'll expect the overall narrative of the trilogy to show how togetherness and tolerance and goodwill are the only real way to succeed. Certainly not a bad sentiment, but a boring one for an RPG. One wonders why they put in an alternative mode of playing when they so obviously are uncomfortable with developing for it. Was it just to allow Shepard to look like a Terminator?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 06 Nov 2010, 13:30
The post-fetal death robot made of human atoms was so fucking cool.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: David_Dovey on 06 Nov 2010, 13:33
Was it just to allow Shepard to look like a Terminator?

I get the feeling that you are questioning the validity of this decision but obviously that can't be right. Obviously.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 Nov 2010, 20:36
My problem with ME1 is that it had a few good primary missions and then everything else kinda sucked. Maybe the events in ME1 were more important on some kind of galactic scale, but I was dealing with more throwaway NPCs and my sidekicks didn't really give a shit about any of the missions we went on, so it didn't really feel very important. You save the universe so damned often in video games that I don't really see "Space Super Hero" as a big hook at this point, particularly if it turns out Bioware can keep delivering neat set pieces even when touching upon "smaller" stories, which is something I think they accomplished in ME2.

For me the only reason to play with the different characters in ME1 was to get the achievements.  In ME2 I wanted to keep changing characters just to see how they reacted/their dialogue on different things.



Also Dark Horse is continuing their Mass Effect series with a back story about the Illusive Man.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 06 Nov 2010, 22:00
I understand that Bioware was trying to get to the motivations and all that of the characters rather than a big Space Opera save the princess plot, I guess I just disagree with them. The problem that seems to crop up with all RPGs is that the abundance of sidequests makes everything in the main story seem less urgent because you can take your time to rescue a puppy; developers can get around it by dedicating the first act to exploration and having the plot come up slowly, e.g. Torment had very little plot exposition occur the first time you saw Sigil, but I get the feeling Bioware has been trying to avoid doing that for a while now.
Also, you can still win the game by recruiting a bare minimum of characters and not doing loyalty missions, which goes against that a bit; you'll all die but the day is still saved right.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Alex C on 06 Nov 2010, 22:01
Yeah, and see, I don't think I've cared about saving the world or even really space opera since I was 9. Beyond that, we still have practically every other developer on the planet making crazy space opera plots and saving the world anyway. Given that their primary strength is writing I rather feel like Bioware should stick with the direction they're slowly heading in. To do otherwise would be kind of a waste.

Besides, Mass Effect 2's plotline wasn't exactly low key anyway. By design it didn't have the pacing of a tight action movie, but I honestly have to wonder just how "epic" (christ, I hate that word) the game would have had to of been for some people to be happy with it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: David_Dovey on 06 Nov 2010, 22:10
Ironically I did treat the main quest in ME1 like it was urgent serious business and the whole game's experience wound being far less rewarding than it probably otherwise would've been.

Actually, all of my problems with my ME1 experience pretty much stem from trying to roleplay too much, hurf. Instead of just picking the conversation options that'd score me the best stats I tried to be genuine and in the end a lot of important choices were taken out of my hands later in the game and I just generally felt very railroaded regarding some pretty important choices, particularly in the whole Wrex thing.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: SWOON! at My Gravitas on 07 Nov 2010, 06:12
On a related note, I picked up the Mass Effect books the other day because, well, Mass Effect, and dear god the first of the series is so awful, it's hard to believe it was written by the same guy who wrote a good portion of the games.

Though I suppose writing a book and writing for a video game are two completely different beasts
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 07 Nov 2010, 10:08
Because of this thread, I decided to start playing it again last night.  I probably shouldn't have, I have homework to do.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 07 Nov 2010, 11:36
On a related note, I picked up the Mass Effect books the other day because, well, Mass Effect, and dear god the first of the series is so awful, it's hard to believe it was written by the same guy who wrote a good portion of the games.

Though I suppose writing a book and writing for a video game are two completely different beasts
Don't feel bad, I once had a craving for Baldur's Gate 2 that was so strong I sat down and read a trilogy of his Drizz't novels. It was exactly like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lYRoF0PYVs)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 07 Nov 2010, 14:20
Just chiming in to say some of the vistas in that game were fucking gorgeous.

I honestly thought they were garbage. KOTOR was far more impressive and that was seven years ago. In fact, the level design was better back then too.

It's not a big deal because the characters and the story are good but man, I would be so stoked if the next game was not moving from one series of adjoined concentric boxes to another. Even if they furnished the rooms a little better it would be less sad. Every single place you go in the galaxy has a series of random walls and some crates. Maybe a table here and there. So bad.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 07 Nov 2010, 14:26
Blame it on consoles. It's less pronounced in ME2, but the reason the "epic" Citadel felt so cramped in ME1 was because the engine was constantly hitting the upper limits of the 360's power at the time. Corridors are the only thing they can implement to maintain a decent framerate. That sort of thing still happens - The Strip in Fallout: New Vegas is weirdly segmented and cramped because all the lights and scripts murder the 360's hardware. People have framerate issues even with the tiny little areas.

Speaking of which, there's a mod out for the PC version that makes the Strip one big level, but at this point it breaks a lot of pretty important quests. But it looks amazing, which is the most important thing.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 07 Nov 2010, 17:13
man if that's how you feel then your imagination must be a dark and terrible place

cuz to me that shit is awesome

mining structures all on the verge of collapse on the side of a cliff

gigantic avian lizards flying across a purple sky far in the distance

standing on some alien tropical paradise with small curly monkeys all hoppin around
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 08 Nov 2010, 07:42
It's possible that it was just because I'd just played a bunch of next gen games right before ME2, which literally looks a decade old graphics and design wise. If you compare the scenery with essentially any other game released this year, it looks borderline comical by comparison. From massive open world vistas in Assassin's Creed II and Red Dead Redemption to the linear but well dressed locations of bog standard action games like Modern Warfare and Gears of War, they all started to look reasonably convincing some years ago. Comparatively, ME2 just looked bland, empty and unimaginative by comparison.

On the one hand, yeah the graphics don't matter so much. That's why it's still a very good game because of the story, characters and interface. I understand that and I have no problem. However, it's still a valid observation because I never felt very sucked in by the locations, which made the game less involving overall. It felt like they put a lot of time into the Normandy, which was a convincing "lived-in" environment but the rest was really poor. There really hasn't been a lot of development since KOTOR, which was a good game but also came out roughly seven years back. I think ME3 is absolutely the last game they can make using this format before more people will be pointing out the fact that they've been more or less remaking the same game for a decade.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 08 Nov 2010, 09:38
ME2, which literally looks a decade old graphics
ehhhh, design I'll give you, but this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jvb_zWfEPsg/TE_7cHFNvzI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/9-5h2ChTDm0/s1600/deusex_screen002.jpg) was released ten years ago. ME2's textures were of considerably high quality outside of faces and hair, which have always been a problem with UE games.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: ackblom12 on 08 Nov 2010, 10:06
Yeah, to be honest I enjoy some exxageration to et a point across, but that's akin to saying Fallout 3 look worse than Morrowind, which is something someone has told me with complete sincerity.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 08 Nov 2010, 10:18
Deus Ex is a really good example! The locations were definitely more convincing. There were offices and houses which actually looked like people lived and worked in them. They got the combination of big open areas and small, convincing areas just right. The people looked shoddy back then but that was just the technology. ME2 had decent looking characters, no question. It was the levels and locations which were lazy. I didn't make that clear at all though.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 Dec 2010, 00:29
The last few days have had CDNs (Cerberus Daily News) that all had to do with the clash between a mining / salvage corp and the Quarian Flotilla. The last one was this:
Quote
11/30/2185
November 30th, 2010
Earlier today, the Migrant Fleet rescued an Eldfell-Ashland Energy employee drifting through the Nubian Expanse in a lifepod. Navigator Camilla Gutierrez, the only survivor of the MSV Stanislaw, says that quarians had nothing to do with the attack that stranded her: “The ship’s silhouette was just massive. There’s no way the quarians had that monster in their Flotilla. I’ve never seen anything like it.” Asked about the attack itself, Gutierrez reported, “They blew out our engines before we knew what hit us. Smoke was everywhere. I heard the captain yell something about boarders before he ordered us to the lifepods.” Eldfell-Ashland says it is relieved Gutierrez was recovered, but that the Citadel investigation should continue “until all parties involved are satisfied.”

Foreshadowing?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tHEfOOL on 01 Dec 2010, 09:50
it's funny how easy it is to kill the final boss, if you have the cain and enought heavy ammo for 2 shots, you just aim for his nose and if both hit he dies, i killed him in like 30 sec
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 01 Dec 2010, 11:14
yes but it is also badass to do that
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tHEfOOL on 01 Dec 2010, 14:55
i didn't even need to take cover behind anything, i just stood there and shot him in the face with my mini-nuke launcher till he died
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Dimmukane on 01 Dec 2010, 15:52
that sentence is probably the most badass way to depict your feelings of nonchalance
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 18 Jan 2011, 09:05
The comic explaining the Illusive Man's origin comes out tomorrow if anyone else is interested.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: scarred on 18 Jan 2011, 13:12
They actually retconned his name to "Mr. Plot Device."
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 18 Jan 2011, 15:34
It looks a hell of a lot better artistically than the other comic.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 20 Jan 2011, 07:15
i didn't even need to take cover behind anything, i just stood there and shot him in the face with my mini-nuke launcher till he died
:lol:

That's pretty awesome.  I can actually picture that in my mind. 
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 20 Jan 2011, 09:41
Last time I fought him was on Insanity with an Adept.  That was stupidly hard since I didn't bother getting the Cain.  I really should have.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 20 Jan 2011, 22:55
It looks a hell of a lot better artistically than the other comic.

It might seem like nitpicking, but so far the only the problem with the art has been an inconsistency in whether or not the characters actually inhabit their environments. There are also some awkward poses. The fidelity to Mass Effect 2's tech/character design is welcome as are the lack of clan markings on the Turians.

Also, lady Turians.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 28 Jan 2011, 12:35
So, I went through the game twice as Male/Soldier Shepard.  Now trying Female/Sentinel Shepard.  I can see the differences, some good some bad.  For some reason, it's more fun flirting with everyone as female Shepard.  Not sure why, but whatever.  Still fun even on the 3rd playthrough.  That is a pretty good benchmark for 'good game' status in my book.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ikrik on 28 Jan 2011, 12:51
picked it up for PS3 last week and binged on this game.  I think it's completely awesome in every sense of the word but then again, it scratches almost every single one of my itches when it comes to games. 

With the Playstation release they added in this little interactive comic which tells the backstory of the first game and gives you 4 different choices.  The art is nice and the choices are actually interesting but they really should have introduced the game this way, instead they throw it after a few minutes of gameplay.  It's awkward and jarring and I really wish it was placed elsewhere because it really just destroys the immersion of the game.

I wish that they'll play more with the character creator because trying to make a non-hideous Shepard is quite difficult and I resorted to going to Mass Effect 2 Faces after fiddling with all the options forever.  It's not as bad as the one in Demon's Souls, where it is impossible to make someone not hideous, but with the level of attention paid everywhere else, they really need to work on that.

As far as graphics go I really think they would benefit from a much better lighting engine.  And to stop making the technologically advanced cities look like Coruscant, I don't like getting Star Wars nostalgia when I'm playing a totally different Space Opera. 
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 29 Jan 2011, 16:04
For some reason, it's more fun flirting with everyone as female Shepard.

Anyone who believes Mark Meer did a better job all-around than Jennifer Hale is beyond redemption.

Just sayin', you know.

Mass Effect face builders aren't as bad as people make them out to be, imo. There's just the option for you to make a batshit hideous dude or lady if you're really a fan of those sliders.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: cyro on 02 Feb 2011, 04:55
I dunno, I'm not saying he's better, but Hale just seems a little too... deadpan, in certain circumstances. Not that Meer doesn't have his Narmy moments but his are entertainingly bad where Hales are more uncomfortable.

Meer was decidedly worse in the first game though, I'd say 2 closed the gap a fair bit.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 13 Feb 2011, 08:00
I usually think of the point where Shepard sees the SR-2 for the first time, and when Mark Meer says "we'll have to give her a name" he sounds kind of joking to me

Whereas Hale says it like she fucking intends to call it the Normandy, etc.

I kept wincing every time she yells out "I'LL TAKE IT" or "THIS'LL COME IN HANDY" though. Right in the middle of nowhere. Jesus.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: cyro on 13 Feb 2011, 09:26
See I think the joking tone fit's that scene better. It's like there going to have a full blown conversation in sarcasm.

Shepard: We'll have to give her a name
Joker: Really? Well whatever shall we call her.
Shepard: I have no idea. I'm sure we'll think of something.

Just me?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 13 Feb 2011, 11:40
I kept wincing every time she yells out "I'LL TAKE IT" or "THIS'LL COME IN HANDY" though. Right in the middle of nowhere. Jesus.

It's only ever said when Shep picks up an upgrade, credits, a weapon or heavy ammo. Some conversations/events result in receiving a reward that may have a delayed reaction. It happened to me a number of times when I played it again last month.

Also, Meer's VA in ME2 was a massive improvement.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: snalin on 14 Feb 2011, 13:10
I just bought this (late to the partey!), and I'm wondering how important it is that I did all the small sidequest things in the first one. Like got all the stuff etc. I remember what main quest things I did, and I know there's a thing that allows me to input that, but I don't have the save for the rest. Should I replay the first one for full enjoyment (I've thought of doing it anyways), or should I just go the standard route?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 14 Feb 2011, 13:41
It's not super important, outside choices made during the Missions such as what you do to the Rachni (Illium -> Foreshadowing). Your actions in the Assignments can lead to tiny references in news casts and people you see around the place but nothing all that important. The only useful thing you can get carried over are funds and experience but there's already plenty of that in ME2.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Buttfranklin on 14 Feb 2011, 13:56
I just bought this (late to the partey!), and I'm wondering how important it is that I did all the small sidequest things in the first one. Like got all the stuff etc. I remember what main quest things I did, and I know there's a thing that allows me to input that, but I don't have the save for the rest. Should I replay the first one for full enjoyment (I've thought of doing it anyways), or should I just go the standard route?
Really not that much.  Some of the side quests or decisions attached to the main quests (spoiler: such as saving that lady who was being cloned by the Thorian or killing her) may lead to more quests or more dialogue.  Otherwise, nothing.

Only side-quest doing that really stuck out for me was an extra line of dialogue after recruiting Archangel if you had done the Cerberus questline in ME1.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LTK on 15 Feb 2011, 12:30
Did anyone else find it incredibly disappointing how small the impact ME1 had on ME2? I mean, I didn't expect the fate of the galaxy to depend on the Udina vs. Anderson choice in the first game, but a unique quest line or two would have been more appropriate for the people who carried over their characters, considering the amount of time everyone put in ME1. Hell, I would have been satisfied with just one appearance of the Destiny Ascension in the second game for those who opted to save it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 15 Feb 2011, 13:00
The trick for Bioware's always been keeping the tightest control possible on game narrative (primarily through strict segmentation into clearly defined acts) while promising lots of "choice", but it doesn't really hold up over the long term. Worst case scenario is Dragon Age, where many different possible endings were presented for the first game but the direct sequel (DA3, since DA2 is more of a New Vegas-esque side story) will proceed under an official canon ending that only a fraction of players chose, effectively invalidating all other choices. Best case scenario is something like KOTOR2, which changes the game in interesting ways depending on the preceding game's choices but overall doesn't dwell on the first game too much. Somewhere in between is something like Deus Ex: Invisible War, which combined three possible endings of Deus Ex into one big incoherent one.

I'm hopeful but I fully expect ME3 to integrate most choices into emails and short convos / overheard banter, or resolve them offscreen (Destiny Ascension destroyed by Reapers far away from Shepard). It's less likely they'd "waste" resources on cinematics and content that a fraction of players will see. It's their explicit philosophy with DA2.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: snalin on 15 Feb 2011, 14:25
You could also do what Bethesda did with Daggerfall - official lore is that all of the different endings happened at once, makeing a hole in the space time continuum and ripping reality appart for a little while.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 15 Feb 2011, 15:55
i think you guys are maybe underselling the way that minute decisions affect the tenor of the game world. you let the council die? you don't see the council. you let them live? you do. one cutscene, but a cutscene that when you're playing it makes a ton of difference. same diff with wrex. and having certain areas populated differently is just as interesting, since it creates a sense of continuity. the big picture is the same, sure, but like mass effect isn't a game where the cool stuff happens in the big picture.

they pulled it off in mass effect 2, i stick by that. i'm i guess a dude who thinks that the experience of a text is fairly important, and the experience may only be subtly different between a renegade and a paragon playthrough in terms of what you import but i'd argue that those differences do, in fact, matter. and if the decisions you make in mass effect 3 have a subtle effect on the game? so long as it creates an interesting story, then good. frankly, if – for example – they do kill off the council in me3, well, that wouldn't have happened to a different shepard. and so that matters.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 15 Feb 2011, 16:28
When I first got ME2, I played through without a save to see what they decided was canon. It was pretty bleak, you guys.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: ackblom12 on 15 Feb 2011, 16:49
I am definitely down with JC on this. All of those small things make a big difference in the feel of the world for me. I don't need it to make a massive difference in the overall story for me to enjoy the small changes, and some not so small, that are made
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 15 Feb 2011, 17:50
Yeah, a fresh playthrough with a brand new character in ME2 even has a radically different tone vs. my paragon carry-over. I thought it was pretty well done.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: cyro on 16 Feb 2011, 02:02
Worst case scenario is Dragon Age, where many different possible endings were presented for the first game but the direct sequel (DA3, since DA2 is more of a New Vegas-esque side story) will proceed under an official canon ending that only a fraction of players chose, effectively invalidating all other choices.

Erm, have you got a source for this?

I'm on Biowares newletter, last I heard they hadn't released any official info and it's just internet rumour (though a decently reasoned one, in fairness) that the third game focuses on Morrigan.

Bioware's official statement on the matter has been that the focus of the Dragon Age series is the Dragon Age itself, not any particular hero and the offical statement on the Warden/Warden Commander is that their story/stories is/are over.

They could go anywhere in DA3, do literally whatever they liked with it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 17 Feb 2011, 06:43
See I think the joking tone fit's that scene better. It's like there going to have a full blown conversation in sarcasm.

Shepard: We'll have to give her a name
Joker: Really? Well whatever shall we call her.
Shepard: I have no idea. I'm sure we'll think of something.

Just me?

Yeah, I mean, that works, but I like to think of it as something carrying an emotional weight like any sort of reunion. But like anything hey look personal opinions are personal guys we're cool

It's only ever said when Shep picks up an upgrade, credits, a weapon or heavy ammo. Some conversations/events result in receiving a reward that may have a delayed reaction. It happened to me a number of times when I played it again last month.

It's just that she virtually yells it.

Or says it very loudly and stoically to no-one in particular
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 17 Feb 2011, 12:18
 :psyduck:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!  I got the Shadowbroker DLC and played it last night.

My mind is fucking blown.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 17 Feb 2011, 17:23
Where is the GOTY edition for all us non-Xbox Live idiots?

 :?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Feb 2011, 18:10
There's still one more DLC on the way.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: tommydski on 21 Feb 2011, 11:16
Fuck you, ME2.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 Feb 2011, 11:57
I guess it's called Arrival (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/21/mass-effect-2-arrival-dlc-detailed-by-latest-patch/)

In other news, still trying to work out why I can't play Lair of the Shadowbroker
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Gemmwah on 28 Feb 2011, 09:01
I aborted a giant robot fetus.

AWESOME.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 09 Mar 2011, 23:19
*SORTA SPOILERS AHEAD?!?*

So here's a thing I learned - in the most recent ME book, bridging the time between ME2 and ME3, Commander Anderson quits the council, joins up with the Turians and goes Rambo on Cerberus. Towards the end, he swears vendetta on all Cerberus, including Shepard, apparently.

So I don't know how or if this will only affect the renegade "canon" storyline but it's apparent that no matter what you chose in ME1 or ME2, Udina is Councilman in ME3.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 10 Mar 2011, 03:26
That seems silly.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: SWOON! at My Gravitas on 10 Mar 2011, 08:32
I dunno if the ending from that book will be brought into ME3 though, I remember the premise of it was based around Cerberus getting their hands on Collector/Reaper technology because Shepard didn't destroy the Collector base.

So I guess maybe all that stuff happens only if you chose not to destroy it at the end of ME2?  And destroying it would lead to a completely different situation at the start of ME3?

But then they would have to explain everything that happened between the two games at ME3's outset, for the benefit of those who didn't read their awful book series (or destroy the Collector base).  Maybe they have a way of doing it that is much more clever than presenting a bunch of exposition?  I don't know, but I think it would be simpler to keep the books and games separate.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 10 Mar 2011, 10:00
*Spoiler without context*
If you save the collector base then are you still apart of Cerberus? 'cause I destroyed it and I know shepard and miranda are no longer apart of Cerberus. Hell the EM seemed so pissed that he would want to hunt me down.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 10 Mar 2011, 12:21
Yeah that's just one of the things (Anderson specifically calls out Shepard as Cerberus-aligned in the novel). It's weird because the canon ME1->ME2 canon plot has Udina as councilor, whereas the book bridging ME2->ME3 has Anderson as councilor.

In any event, the people who write Bio's official fiction (and most official fiction) are terrible, and their work should have as little affect as possible on the games and their developments. We can hope.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 10 Mar 2011, 12:44
extra credit
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives)

I honestly rewrote them.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 15 Mar 2011, 00:58
*Spoiler without context*
If you save the collector base then are you still apart of Cerberus? 'cause I destroyed it and I know shepard and miranda are no longer apart of Cerberus. Hell the EM seemed so pissed that he would want to hunt me down.

*moar spoiler*

Regardless of which option you chose for the Collector base, I believe that Shepard quits working for The Illusive Man (and by that extension, Cerberus) after they have their talk.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 15 Mar 2011, 01:24
nope! my renegade shep was totally cold chillin with the illusive man at the end. leaving cerberus is a paragon option but you don't need to do it in order to keep the station.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 15 Mar 2011, 02:09
oh okay

Because I remember doing two playthroughs where I didn't blow up the station and then I did the 2nd time around and I left him on both counts

Interesting that the outcomes are independent on each other. Or at the very least, interesting that you can still stay with the Illusive Man after you've blown the base up. Or can you? I guess it makes sense that a renegade Shep can stick with Cerberus. What about hte other way around?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 15 Mar 2011, 10:03
no i think blowing it up is a guaranteed cerberus exit
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 15 Mar 2011, 19:16
Alright, glad we got that cleared up. The Illusive Man was always obviously a Cerberus salesman, only he marketed stuff to dangle Shepard on his puppet-strings and his profits was "Humans Win Over Everything Else In This Galaxy".

The moment the renegade ending had him smilling evilly at the holo of the Collector Base I thought "gee Bioware thanks for the subtle hint that I might have done something wrong here"
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 25 Mar 2011, 08:08
The Arrival sounds pretty cool (http://www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-3-details-mass-effect-2-dlc). Spoilers in the story
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 25 Mar 2011, 13:44
Good to hear that they fixed the only thing holding ME2 down from greatness (lack of Lance Henriksen)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 29 Mar 2011, 09:52
Good to hear that they fixed the only thing holding ME2 down from greatness (lack of Lance Henriksen)
It's scary that I thought something similar when I read that story.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 29 Mar 2011, 19:06
Ascension is apparently (?) out.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Mar 2011, 19:29
arrival you mean?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 29 Mar 2011, 19:55
Yes, that
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 30 Mar 2011, 02:52
Pretty neat follow-up to ME3. Only gripe is that the combat is very much near one continuous corridor of shooting and being forced to go solo feels strange.

Lots of little things in the DLC were interesting to see in the game but should perhaps have been expanded on a little more. I would expand on that point but I CAN'T POST SPOILER TAGS FOR SOME REASON  :psyduck:

Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 30 Mar 2011, 05:52
You can just make the text really small instead.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 30 Mar 2011, 12:36
You can't, actually. Size 2 is normal, size 1 is slightly smaller, but you can't go below 1.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 30 Mar 2011, 12:59
just do size=4pt like this
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 30 Mar 2011, 13:02
When did we institute the "pt" thing?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LTK on 30 Mar 2011, 13:08
The 'pt' thing is there when you click on the font size button in the edit bar.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 30 Mar 2011, 13:13
Eff that noise hand-type coding erryday
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 30 Mar 2011, 16:39
Well okay I guess what I was TRYING TO SAY was that at some point in the DLC they attempted to add an element of a solo stealth segment to the game which, afaik isn't usually what the gameplay is about and and I found that an interesting approach to the mechanics

And also a jailbreak segment, both of which had a bit of potential and should have been expanded on imo.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 18 Apr 2011, 21:39
Good lord, my wait for Lair of the Shadow Broker was well worth it, IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME.

I especially love Liara's little base.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 21 Apr 2011, 12:20
Good lord, my wait for Lair of the Shadow Broker was well worth it, IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME.

I especially love Liara's little base.

I'm still amazed at how good it was.   :-D
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 26 Apr 2011, 19:29
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/3750/xr2ykl.jpg)
Don't ever say UE3 never made anything good.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 01 May 2011, 03:58
The best ones are the smiles that aren't humanoid
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 12:26
Also I can't believe nobody told me that the Krogan/Asari matriarch on Illium is Liara's father.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 01 May 2011, 12:33
What? Really? I've never heard that.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LTK on 01 May 2011, 12:46
Me neither, was that in the Shadow Broker DLC? It seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 12:57
Yeah, there's a video feed of the character sitting at a table with a drink just gazing at a picture of her.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 01 May 2011, 12:58
Shepard went back in time and became his own grandfather too. You guys miss out on so much.

edit You can see what kvp is talking about halfway through here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZfC7Y_76Cg) I don't think it means she's her father though.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 01 May 2011, 13:22
Fuck

Okay, hypothesis (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/mass-effect-2/show_msgs.php?pid=944907&topic_id=m-1-58553394)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LTK on 01 May 2011, 13:26
The wiki does say she has a daughter, and I seem to recall some dialogue on the subject as well. And yes, she is the father, we met Liara's mother earlier in Mass Effect 1.

Whoa, wait a second. That means Liara and her estranged father live on the same planet in ME2. Less than a minute's walk away, even. And we're supposed to believe they don't even know each other? This reeks of retconning, considering that, in her most entertaining stories, Aethya omits having mated with the asari that helped Saren almost wipe out galactic life and produced the daughter who helped prevent it.

Edit: Look at that, same line of thought on the Gamespot forums. It seems likelier and likelier...
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 13:41
Hey who knows, maybe the matriarch just got tired and sat down in at a random table upon which a framed photo of Liara was carelessly left by someone who actually had a reason to own one in the first place.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 01 May 2011, 13:53
It could be a video phone or something
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 01 May 2011, 15:13
Or she's in love with Liara and is drinking to build up the courage to talk with her.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 15:35
Or she's been sent by the Reapers to assassinate Liara and she's psyching herself up for the job.

Liara's real father is Harbinger.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Johnny C on 02 May 2011, 14:35
i like that theory best. fuck you, coherence!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 02 May 2011, 20:33
I think there was a Gameinformer interview that said something along the lines of that the writers hadn't initally thought of Aethyta as Liara's dad, but now that everyone had been talking about it and speculating, they're thinking about whether or not to actually make it so.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 02 May 2011, 20:39
man I haven't seen that anywhere before now
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 02 May 2011, 21:03
Found it!

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/21/mass-effect-a-q-amp-a-for-hardcore-fans.aspx?PostPageIndex=1 (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/21/mass-effect-a-q-amp-a-for-hardcore-fans.aspx?PostPageIndex=1)

Tons of people here have probably read it already though
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LTK on 03 May 2011, 03:22
Quote
Some fans have speculated that Aethyta (the Asari Matriarch behind the bar at Eternity) is Liara’s “father.” Is there any truth to that? Will we find out more on that topic in Mass Effect 3?
The writers are keenly aware of the speculation and there are indeed discussions about how this plot line will resolve in Mass Effect 3. And that’s all I can say about that.

It's a bit too vague to draw any conclusions from, but when they say 'keenly aware of the speculation' it does look like another way of saying 'we hadn't thought of that'.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 03 May 2011, 21:04
The black dude finally finds love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T47aheRgeRI). Also Tali's there because of course she is.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 04 May 2011, 06:40
So, I really like Mass Effect 2...

I bought a copy of Mass Effect...

This now seems pretty accurate to me:
(http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/221858705_5BFXM-L-2.jpg)

I am constantly getting my ass kicked.  I drive the fucking seemingly indestructible car into lava pits.  In short, I am drowning.
Currently I have a mission to get through, the one where I rescue Liara, I believe, and CAN NOT fucking get through it.  Add to that the fact that I got all the way to the base on the planet (I had exited the car because I couldn't drive any further), and someone seemingly shot me around a corner.  And I had to start the entire fucking mission again, all the way from driving through the goddamn lava pits and shit again.  At this point I restrained myself from throwing my controller, and took the game out and put boxing in to beat the shit out people.

In short, the first game is somewhat frustrating, but I really love the 2nd one.
 :x
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 04 May 2011, 12:38
How
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 04 May 2011, 12:38
How do people figure out how to play Dragon Age or New Vegas
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 04 May 2011, 14:45
How do people figure out how to play Dragon Age or New Vegas

I've never played either of those.  I guess, if I have a point, it's that I find 2 refreshing in regards to controls and mechanics, after now trying to play through 1.  I don't hate 1.  I just have a preference, and it's 2.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 05 May 2011, 00:28
It's a bit too vague to draw any conclusions from, but when they say 'keenly aware of the speculation' it does look like another way of saying 'we hadn't thought of that'.

That's the same vibe I got.

To be honest, I hope they do write that in, because Aethyta and Claudia Black's voice are two of the best things that happens in Ilium
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: LeeC on 07 Jun 2011, 05:41
yay Liara is back for ME3 as a team member.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 07 Jun 2011, 13:28
Dat Ultimate Edition (http://masseffect.bioware.com/me3/game/order/)
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 07 Jun 2011, 22:05
will ME3 be sold on steam as well as Origin?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 07 Jun 2011, 22:17
It would be unwise not to utilise other direct download platforms. Keep in mind that Origin is the company store so of course they'll have the preorders first.

actually that's a good question, the direct download version of SWTOR is exclusive to Origin.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 07 Jun 2011, 22:48
I hope not becuase I really don't want to download another application/browser thingy just to play one game
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 07 Jun 2011, 23:07
ABuy a physical retail copy and open the launcher with steam. This way you may even be able to avoid price gouging.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 08 Jun 2011, 23:20
lol robotic dog


Because every Bioware hero needs a stalwart mutt by their side
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 15 Jun 2011, 10:19
ABuy a physical retail copy and open the launcher with steam. This way you may even be able to avoid price gouging.

From what I hear it's just replacing EA Download Manager which came with Spore for me. They'll probably put origin on the disc because the ME3 launch will be huge and will sell well regardless.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 15 Jun 2011, 12:02
lol robotic dog


Because every Bioware hero needs a stalwart mutt by their side

Unfortunately only in the ship
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: KvP on 15 Jun 2011, 12:28
Inevitably it will become ME3's most acclaimed character.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 15 Jun 2011, 18:59
I will get the LE just to see how batshit the dog is


Also Liara's justicar costume hnnngh
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Jun 2011, 19:01
Inevitably it will become ME3's most acclaimed character.

I dunno, can you fuck it?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: snalin on 19 Jun 2011, 17:34
Whoa, just finished my first playthrough.  So great.

Which dlc's are worthwhile? I've heard a lot of good about The Shadow Broker, but otherwise, a lot looks like new skins and other stuff. Recommendations?
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 19 Jun 2011, 17:39
Shadow Broker is probably the best, but play Firewalker cause it's free.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 19 Jun 2011, 21:10
Shadow Broker is absolutely necessary. Overlord is interesting enough, but purely optional. Kasumi is a great team member and her mission is fun enough, but short. Can't say it's definitely worth the money. Haven't played the Arrival yet.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: I Am Not Amused on 21 Jun 2011, 18:17
If characterize Lair of the Shadow Broker as Mass Effect 2's epilogue, I'd say Arrival is Mass Effect 3's prologue.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 21 Jun 2011, 18:29
^This. It's been explicitly said that the game takes place about 3-4 months after the events of Arrival and begins with the aftermath of what happened in the DLC, so I strongly recommend getting both LotSB and Arrival at least since they are both fairly integral to the overarching plot of Mass Effect 2 and 3.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blyss on 27 Jul 2011, 12:52
WANT! (http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/n7-coffee-mug)

Frickin' out of stock my ass!

 :x
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 27 Jul 2011, 13:10
^This. It's been explicitly said that the game takes place about 3-4 months after the events of Arrival and begins with the aftermath of what happened in the DLC, so I strongly recommend getting both LotSB and Arrival at least since they are both fairly integral to the overarching plot of Mass Effect 2 and 3.

Good thing Lair of the Shadow Broker and The Arrival are getting a discount on XBL
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 Jul 2011, 21:40
Yep. Both are on sale right now. Picked up Arrival for whenever I deign to play it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: JD on 27 Jul 2011, 22:39
WANT! (http://biowarestore.com/mass-effect/n7-coffee-mug)

Frickin' out of stock my ass!

 :x

oh hey they have a tali t-shirt

that's kinda weird
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: satsugaikaze on 28 Jul 2011, 03:47
Where's that Garrus t-shirt that says "Calibrations" on the back D:
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: snalin on 28 Jul 2011, 06:07
apparel-men's
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: mberan42 on 28 Jul 2011, 13:09
Workin' on my 2nd playthrough right now since this came out. Went with an Engineer Shephard and am diggin' it. Finishing up all the anomolies on the planets before I collect the IFF -- everyone's loyal (but Legion - don't have him yet).

Anyway, speaking of DLC, is there a way to get them without XBL? Or do I gotta pay for that, and then pay for the DLC? I don't play enough to warrant the cost of XBL on top of the DLC.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: ackblom12 on 28 Jul 2011, 15:13
Nah, gotta do it through XBL. You don't have to have Gold to do it though, just the ability to connect to the internet. To be honest though, I don't really play multi much at all but the sales for Gold members pays for itself in my case.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 28 Jul 2011, 19:47
I think it's only a gold deal too.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: mberan42 on 04 Aug 2011, 18:46
Well, I can't connect my normal Xbox gamer tag with my old WLID, so i can't download the DLCs. So lame.

Also, you don't get to see Tali's face when you do her? SO LAME!!
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Rizzo on 05 Aug 2011, 22:36
Totally disagree. Seeing her face would be a complete cop-out. I'm glad the devs didn't show it.
Title: Re: The Mass Effect 2 Après Jeu Game Discussion Thread (with spoilers!!!)
Post by: Tom on 06 Aug 2011, 15:10
But my sweet space waifu has such a super kawii face.
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