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Title: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 18:27
n/t (http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13860-couple-tracks/)
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 18:28
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w36/bambi1968/fugazi.png)

BITCH SAY WHAT???
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 18:33
(http://myplay.com/files/imagecache/photo_345_square/files/artist_images/cave_in_002.jpg)

OH NO YOU DI'IN'T
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 18:38
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/192352448_7ac4928040.jpg)

NO YOU DID NOT JUST SAY WHAT I THINK YOU SAID
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: michaelicious on 05 Feb 2010, 18:40
Fugazi is a hardcore band?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KvP on 05 Feb 2010, 18:41
Who are these people.

They look boring.

They're all white dudes so I guess they must be hardcore.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 18:44
Fugazi is a hardcore band?

They're not?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: michaelicious on 05 Feb 2010, 18:48
I am open to the idea. It is just new to me, I guess.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Feb 2010, 19:04
I think that when catalogued Fugazi are often put in the incredibly vague "post-hardcore" box.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades
Post by: scarred on 05 Feb 2010, 19:05
lol hardcore
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 19:36
Look guys shut up and be outraged with me about the Pitchfork guy
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: michaelicious on 05 Feb 2010, 19:48
I think I might be more upset if a Pitchfork writer didn't make some sort of specious claim in a review. I wouldn't trust it.

Fucked Up is a pretty good band, though.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 20:22
Come on guys and get hardcore outraged

(http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/converge2.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 05 Feb 2010, 20:56
I'm more puzzled by what an 'album band' is.  Is it a band that releases albums?  Isn't that all bands? 

Maybe it's not that they're the best hardcore band.  Maybe they're the best album band that are so album that they're hardcore album.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Koremora on 05 Feb 2010, 21:02
Maybe they're albuming the best album band album that are so album that they're album hardcore album.

Wat.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KvP on 05 Feb 2010, 21:03
I'm more puzzled by what an 'album band' is.
Really? I thought it was obvious. Think of those bands that put out so-so records but if you took one or two songs from each one of their albums, you'd have one killer album (say, I don't know, Prince post-comeback). That's not an album band. An album band makes whole albums of good songs.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: sean on 05 Feb 2010, 21:06
guys i am about to be an asshole.

fugazi is not hardcore
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Christophe on 05 Feb 2010, 21:47
(http://www.exclaim.ca/images/up-refused.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 22:02
guys i am about to be an asshole.

fugazi is not hardcore

why not
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Damnable Fiend on 05 Feb 2010, 22:24
how can a band be the greatest hardcore album band in the last twenty years and yet in practice be more of a singles band

and if they are more of a singles band why is this collection of singles rated so low.  I don't get it, pitchfork
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades
Post by: Tom on 05 Feb 2010, 22:41
They only really got good around the release of their first album, Hidden World. Which, imo is a fantastic record.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 22:43
how can a band be the greatest hardcore album band in the last twenty years and yet in practice be more of a singles band

and if they are more of a singles band why is this collection of singles rated so low.  I don't get it, pitchfork

Translation: "I don't listen to much/any hardcore"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: sean on 05 Feb 2010, 22:45
why not

dogg do the dudes sound like they are playing hardcore?

trust me fugazi is not hardcore its old guys who are into hardcore playing songs.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 22:48
I guess this disqualifies The Minutemen, who are legitimately 50x more hardcore than you and everybody you know will ever be, as well.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Damnable Fiend on 05 Feb 2010, 23:01
the reviewer, or me?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Feb 2010, 23:13
EVERYBODY
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 06 Feb 2010, 08:04
I'm more puzzled by what an 'album band' is.
Really? I thought it was obvious. Think of those bands that put out so-so records but if you took one or two songs from each one of their albums, you'd have one killer album (say, I don't know, Prince post-comeback). That's not an album band. An album band makes whole albums of good songs.

Man I don't remember writing that so I'm going to go ahead and blame it on whiskey gremlins.  

Also... Fugazi isn't so much old dudes who are really into hardcore playing songs as they are old dudes who kind of invented hardcore playing songs.  Surely that gives them a little leeway with the definition of the term
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: amok on 06 Feb 2010, 08:33
One time I ordered the Minor Threat collected EP's album from the Dischord site and had it mailed to Norway, just so I could say that I had bought a post-hardcore album

well played
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Feb 2010, 09:44
(http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/amebix.png)
"FUCKIN' YANKS"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Feb 2010, 09:48
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/3985492/Extreme+Noise+Terror+ENT+band+pic.jpg)
"NONE OF THEM EVEN HAVE STUPID HAIRCUTS"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades
Post by: Lummer on 06 Feb 2010, 09:48
Come on guys and get hardcore outraged

(http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music2/converge2.jpg)

NAW WAAAAAAAAH

*duun dun*

NAW WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


Fuck yes
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Feb 2010, 09:51
(http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cch223/sweden/images/anticimex_1.jpg)

"I BET ZEY VASH AND HAVE JOBS. HOW IS ZEES 'HARDCORE'?"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 06 Feb 2010, 16:23
"FUCKIN' YANKS"

Ahem.  Canucks.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Feb 2010, 18:27
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/248364/GISM.gif)
"GISM THINKS ALL GAIJIN YANQUI POSER HARDCORE BANDS LOOK THE SAME"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: pinkpiche on 07 Feb 2010, 04:23
Fucked Up isn't a hardcore band the way Black Flag was.. But maybe that's why I like them.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Cire27 on 07 Feb 2010, 16:36
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Dead_kennedys.jpg)

"Damn it's white in here."
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 07 Feb 2010, 19:16
dogg do the dudes sound like they are playing hardcore?

trust me fugazi is not hardcore its old guys who are into hardcore playing songs.

Break-In, Great Cop, Public Witness Program, Back To Base, Five Corporations... yep, sounds like hardcore to me.

I like Fucked Up, but they're not even the best Canadian hardcore band of the last 20 years.

(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/6023445.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: pilsner on 07 Feb 2010, 19:28
Who is?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: michaelicious on 07 Feb 2010, 20:10
I Can Put My Arm Back On You Can't, probably.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 07 Feb 2010, 20:20
The Swarm. Parasitic Skies is just fucking ridiculous, an absolutely savage record. When some of those guys went on to do Cursed that was them toning things down and getting a bit soft.

Propagandhi are easily better than Fucked Up as well, and possibly better than The Swarm. That's a tough call though. And Chokehold, Content With Dying is a beast of an album. And Left For Dead are better too, obviously. Can't count out Shotmaker either, they were fantastic. And hell, I still really like Submission Hold even if they are a bit cheesy and I'd probably take Progress (As If Survival Mattered) over any of Fucked Up's records.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 07 Feb 2010, 20:48
(http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/paintitblack/highline/08.jpg)

"I HAD A STROKE MOTHERFUCKER YOU CAN'T TAKE ME"
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KvP on 07 Feb 2010, 20:50
Propagandhi
:C
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 07 Feb 2010, 21:01
Dude Propaghandi were fucking incredible
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KvP on 07 Feb 2010, 21:45
>:C
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 07 Feb 2010, 22:23
Sometimes I get worried by the vast extent to which I realise what I'm saying is just a clumsy, overwrought version of Propagandhi lyrics (except for the odd exception like Ladies' Night In Loserville). Now I think hard about it they probably are the best hardcore band of the last twenty years, bar none.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Johnny C on 07 Feb 2010, 23:49
Dude Propaghandi were fucking incredible

then john k samson left OWNED
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2010, 11:02
It's The Proletariat. It has to be The Proletariat.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: E. Spaceman on 08 Feb 2010, 11:59
Propagandhi were tolerable for the time John K Samson was there but by and large they were embarassingly clumsy and overwrought and fairly lame.

I honestly don't understand your outrage, dovey. The only decent hardcore bands were the ones that moved away from the hardcore sound like Fugazi,Rites of Spring, Slint, Husker Du, The Minutemen (it must be noted that although Black Flag moved away from the archetypical hardcore sound, they were never a good band).
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 08 Feb 2010, 13:10
Why does the discussion of hardcore never veer away from like, six pitchfork-approved bands from two cities in America?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: E. Spaceman on 08 Feb 2010, 14:38
There was also an european, parallel but separate, hardcore scene.

I also don't like it
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Christophe on 08 Feb 2010, 14:44
(http://www.touchandgorecords.com/images/bands/full/42-1.jpg)

HEY TOMMY I THINK YOU FORGOT SOME DUDES, LIKE US.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 08 Feb 2010, 20:10
European-style hardcore has the enormous advantage of morphing fairly rapidly into crust punk and grindcore, two (sub?) genres that offer far more decent music than hardcore, whereas american-style hardcore hung around like a bad smell before it turned into post-hardcore, which is all extremely boring.

Post-hardcore then went on to inspire many of the worst bands ever.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Johnny C on 08 Feb 2010, 20:40
i'd rather listen to DOA than grindcore
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 08 Feb 2010, 20:47
European-style hardcore has the enormous advantage of morphing fairly rapidly into crust punk and grindcore, two (sub?) genres that offer far more decent music than hardcore, whereas american-style hardcore hung around like a bad smell before it turned into post-hardcore, which is all extremely boring.

Post-hardcore then went on to inspire many of the worst bands ever.

You are remembering that American hardcore invented the blastbeat, right? Plus, they're really good at snot-nosed bratty hate. Just look at Charles Bronson. They really did do a lot besides post-hardcore, including with Discordance Axis the best grind band ever.

Also, powerviolence was a US thing. And I fucking love a bit of powerviolence.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 08 Feb 2010, 21:46
I'll give you powerviolence. But I'd also like to point out that since the 90's the two styles of hardcore have crossed geographic borders in their influences, which is why I said 'american style' and 'european style', referring to evolutions from those early (1979-1985) scenes. I wouldn't imagine Funeral for a Friend trace their lineage back to Crass and Discharge, despite existing on the same landmass, for example.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 08 Feb 2010, 22:20
Well no, but queercore bands like Behead The Prophet, No Lord Shall Live, Limp Wrist, Mukilteo Fairies, Knifed et al are tracing their lineage back to The Dicks, MDC, Big Boys and the faster bands like Siege, Deep Wound and Negative FX. All very much in the American style.

You got to take the good with the bad. Like the fact that grind was largely responsible for the existence of Anal Cunt, crust meaning I've seen one too many utterly interchangeable bands in my time, and all that macho crap that came out of Clevo and NY.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Christophe on 08 Feb 2010, 23:05
grind was largely responsible for the existence of Anal Cunt

YOU CALL THIS A BAD THING?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Feb 2010, 23:37
I honestly don't understand your outrage, dovey. The only decent hardcore bands were the ones that moved away from the hardcore sound like Fugazi,Rites of Spring, Slint, Husker Du, The Minutemen (it must be noted that although Black Flag moved away from the archetypical hardcore sound, they were never a good band).

Well I guess the main thing here being that in contrast to most of the people here, I would consider hardcore as including a lot of the off-shoot movements that take in bands like Fugazi and Hüsker Dü, particularly in the eighties/early nineties when hardcore had less to do with rigid musical restrictions and more to do with an aesthetic or ideological slant. This is why by my standards the Minutemen, as previously stated, are one of the most hardcore bands to have ever existed, because of their dedication to independence and egalitarianism moreso than the speed of their drums or how shouty the singer is.

In this respect I see hardcore as being pretty much the same as it's punk rock forebears, in that punk can sound like anything as well, and is far better defined by the attitudes of those making the music. I suppose this perspective puts me in the minority.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 08 Feb 2010, 23:49
I'd totally go along with that way of looking at hardcore as well. I've seen sets by one guy with an acoustic guitar that sounded like hardcore to me, and I always thought of the Minutemen and Fugazi as just being hardcore bands.

YOU CALL THIS A BAD THING?

Hideously overrated band, and from what I've heard Seth Putnam really is as big a dick as you might expect. Arsedestroyer and Sore Throat were far superior noisecore bands. Hell, I'd even listen to Twodeadsluts Onegoodfuck over Anal Cunt. They're down there with Cock And Ball Torture in terms of crap grind that far too many people inexplicably like.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 09 Feb 2010, 00:20
The two notable exceptions being Minor Threat and Bad Brains. It's odd to me how the two bands which effectively originated the subgenre made a continuation of the sound more or less an irrelevance. If I want to hear some Hardcore, I don't ever feel the urge reach past the early records by those two bands. Nothing sounds quite as good to me.

Man if people only ever listened to the very best example of anything then every other band would go broke and The Stooges would be the world's largest economy.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Feb 2010, 06:49
Hideously overrated band, and from what I've heard Seth Putnam really is as big a dick as you might expect. Arsedestroyer and Sore Throat were far superior noisecore bands. Hell, I'd even listen to Twodeadsluts Onegoodfuck over Anal Cunt. They're down there with Cock And Ball Torture in terms of crap grind that far too many people inexplicably like.

I don't think anyone over-rates them, they just find them amusing. It's pretty hard not to crack a grin at 'Stayin' Alive (Oi! Version).' (and who would really expect them to be nice people, although I used to be in vague contact with Seth Putnam through the Impaled Northern Moonforest forums and he didn't seem particularly bad, by the standards of extreme metal musicians). Also, I'm slipping in to serious genre confusion here. Sore Throat and Arsedestroyer I just think of as grindcore. To me noisecore is an industrial dance subgenre somewhere between power electronics and rhythmic noise. I take it you mean to refer to grindcore bands who place a particularly small emphasis on ideas like sounding like music and having songs more than half a minute long?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 09 Feb 2010, 08:35
Yeah, pretty much. It's one of those things where the big nerds will get all in a tizzy over what technically is and isn't noisecore (particularly due to that period in the early '00s when stuff like Johnny Truant and Converge were getting tagged as it), but for the most part it's just those grind bands that would really just rip without much regard for structure. I've got the Gore Beyond Necropsy stuff from the split with Arsedestroyer and Nikudorei on now and for good chunks it's hard to tell that's a band and not just straight out noise.

I really have seen far too many people properly rate AC, aside from the humour value. As for Putnam himself, he pissed a lot of people off at Blastonbury back in, oh, '07 I think? I wasn't there myself so this is proper second hand info, but general consensus was that he was a massive cock and they played terribly.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Feb 2010, 09:26
I would imagine, from what I know, that the extent to which Seth Putnam pisses people off probably has a lot to do with how much cocaine is inside him at the time. It's certainly no secret that AxCx have had some pretty high profile idiotic feuds and fights over the years. I actually kind of like some of their earlier stuff musically (h-h-hipster punch) but w/e. I have no idea what grind bands it's cool to like anyway, so my taste is always gonna sound terrible to people who know shitloads about it.

That said I do really think that most of the grind subgenres are pretty spurious, and this is from a dude who can distinguish between five or six distinct sorts of death metal.

Apart from mincecore of course. Mincecore slays.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 09 Feb 2010, 21:41
Particularly because of what mincecore means for Agathocles:

Quote from: Agathocles
We have been using the name MINCE CORE already in the 80's, but just in the 90's, we used it more often because a homophobic movement had started in the grindscene, which is fucking it up. And as you know, we don't wanna have anything to do with such homophobic bands, because we don't support opinions which are based upon ignorance, fascist views, discrimination. We want the people to know that MINCE CORE stands for socially and politically aware GRINDCORE, the old roots of this kind of music.

The whole idea of cool grind bands just seems daft to me. I mean, it's grind, it's about as uncool a music as you can get. In the UK even a big international band will be playing upstairs in pubs. The whole idea of a fest like Obscene Extreme is mindboggling to me, thousands of people all there for grindcore? Insane. So dividing it up into proper little subgenres also gets mental because it's just so niche, it isn't like death metal where there's loads more bands playing the music. So crust grind, death grind, tech grind, noisecore for me are more like descriptions of the type of grind being played than real subgenres.

On a side note, the Ablach album slays. I was loving their tracks on the European Fastness 5-way split anyway but with a bit more time to stretch their legs it works even better. Moshpit Tragedy (http://www.moshpittragedy.com/) have released it for download in their usual "pay what you want, even nothing" way. They've got the first Phobia album too, bonus!
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Feb 2010, 00:20
What I meant is, I don't feel comfortable discussing my taste in grind, because I have no idea what grind bands are ridiculous to like. I don't even reliably know this stuff for metal anymore. I was banging around last.fm these months and apparently nowadays, listening to Amon Amarth is as bad as listening to Children of Bodom, funeral black is now called 'depressive suicidal black metal' and is for posers, Agalloch is a hipster band and Drudkh aren't nazis. Who makes up this stuff?
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 10 Feb 2010, 03:08
Who cares about this stuff?

FYP

Man fuck that shit Amon Amarth rules
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: pinkpiche on 10 Feb 2010, 04:14
Particularly because of what mincecore means for Agathocles:

Quote from: Agathocles
We have been using the name MINCE CORE already in the 80's, but just in the 90's, we used it more often because a homophobic movement had started in the grindscene, which is fucking it up. And as you know, we don't wanna have anything to do with such homophobic bands, because we don't support opinions which are based upon ignorance, fascist views, discrimination. We want the people to know that MINCE CORE stands for socially and politically aware GRINDCORE, the old roots of this kind of music.

The whole idea of a fest like Obscene Extreme is mindboggling to me, thousands of people all there for grindcore? Insane. So dividing it up into proper little subgenres also gets mental because it's just so niche, it isn't like death metal where there's loads more bands playing the music. So crust grind, death grind, tech grind, noisecore for me are more like descriptions of the type of grind being played than real subgenres.


Yeah I agree, but there's a huge, totally ignored grind-scene in the Czech Republic so that might explain it. While I was in Prague for three days, I saw four shows - all grind.. I didn't get to go to the fest though. I don't know that there's anything similar in the world.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Feb 2010, 06:36
I don't know if it's exactly ignored. I can name at least 5 czech grind bands off the top of my head, two of which (!T.O.O.H.! and Contrastic) are among my favourites. I also kinda like Jig-Ai but I sense that this is something that I probably shouldn't mention in polite society.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: a pack of wolves on 10 Feb 2010, 10:49
As long as nobody delicate googles them and sees their cover art then you're probably safe from being lynched for being a tentacle enabler.

Never heard Contrastic before now. They've got cheesy guitar solos! They're fun, and they don't overdo the guttural which I find appealing. I'm enjoying !T.O.O.H! as well, definitely my sort of thing.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Damnable Fiend on 10 Feb 2010, 13:06
Man fuck that shit Amon Amarth rules

I think it's a reaction to Twilight of the Thunder God kind of sucking.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 10 Feb 2010, 15:41
I got into Contrastic when I heard this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8MLUnGqpG8) song, which made a lot of sense back when I was pretty obsessed with The Berzerker and Curse of the Golden Vampire. Fairly atypical though, but then that could really be used as a blanket statement for them. Their (unfortunately only) full-length is well worth checking out.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Ballard on 10 Feb 2010, 21:35
Skipping this lame circle jerk to say:

Jesus what a piss-poor fucking review. I couldn't make fun of it as soon as I read it because jesus, it's some of the worst writing I've seen, even by Pitchfork standards.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Feb 2010, 10:58
Man fuck that shit Amon Amarth rules

I think it's a reaction to Twilight of the Thunder God kind of sucking.

Dog did you not listen to Varyags Of Miklagaard? The guitar harmonies on that make up for the rest of the album.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Damnable Fiend on 11 Feb 2010, 16:40
I'll give it another listen.  To be fair I haven't heard anything but the title track (which is actually pretty good, I thought, and has the added bonus of being in an awesome music video) since I went to see them live (I think I tried listening to it like five times all the way through before that).  For me anyway, everything after the end of the title track sounded like the worst sort of generic melodic death metal.

edit: you know, this isn't half as bad as I remembered.  Apart from the parts where it's just that main riff playing, anyway.  It's a boring riff.  Also the production on everything but Johan's vocals is too slick.  anyways, not bad, yeah.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Akima on 17 Feb 2010, 01:00
I'm more puzzled by what an 'album band' is.  Is it a band that releases albums?  Isn't that all bands?
I thought an "album band" was one that didn't release singles, because they didn't get any radio airplay  :?  You know, like all the good ones..  :lol:
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: E. Spaceman on 17 Feb 2010, 08:52
That's a silly thing to say.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: E. Spaceman on 17 Feb 2010, 08:59
I mean

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/SmithsSingles.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Joy_Division-Substance_(album_cover).jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/SubstanceCoverBig.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Beatlespastmastersremastered.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KharBevNor on 17 Feb 2010, 17:27
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cs29GzmsaD8/RqSzBXEhYQI/AAAAAAAAABU/IR_uRI644_I/s400/ThrobbingGristleUnitedCoverSideB.jpg)

(http://salonkritik.net/08-09/ThrobbingGristleDisciplineAlbumCover.jpg)

(http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/wrong_eye_scope.jpg)

(http://www.brainwashed.com/common/images/covers/ffk5-2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cU7KDumGTa0/SplYif0K8hI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/x_fFMy8zYH8/s400/C+93%281997%29Current+93+&+Hilmar+Orn+Hilmarsson+-+Crowleymass.jpg)

...etc.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: KvP on 27 Feb 2010, 16:15
one of the Fucked Up dudes made a 7"-centric mix for FACT (http://www.factmag.com/2010/02/26/fact-mix-127-fucked-up/).
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Rizzo on 22 Mar 2010, 15:54
Ok ignoring Pitchfork (because who actually cares what the music press say), Fucked Up are an awesome band. Definitely not the best in the last two decades (which I think many of you are ignoring given that that's only 1990, by which time Blackflag, Bad Brains and Minor Threat had all long since broken up) but still really awesome.

Speaking of Contrastic, is anyone able to upload it? I can't seem to find a decent torrent. If not, all good.
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: David_Dovey on 23 Mar 2010, 18:22
Don't be silly the nineties ruled for hardcore. Take, for instance, practically any band that Dischord released in that decade. And that's just one label!
Title: Re: "Fucked Up [...] the best hardcore album band of at least the last 2 decades"
Post by: Rizzo on 24 Mar 2010, 05:27
90s and 00s put out my favourite bands, especially that late 90s "We are Romans" sound... Fuck.
And you've got a huge chunk of the Burning Heart catalogue e.g. Nine, Refused etc etc.
And then you have the US crust hardcore scene pumping out masterpieces like Tragedy and From Ashes Rise.

It's a plethora. All I'm saying is that Fucked Up are fucking awesome as well. Certainly not the Wu-Tang of hardcore but definitely at least the Killa Beez.