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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Professor Snuggles on 08 Mar 2010, 18:29
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Dude, why didn't anyone ever turn me on to this band? I mean I accept that if you'd tried to when they were big like 5 years ago I probably would have hit you, and I've made some pretty impassioned claims against them, but fuck, dude.
This is a good band! This is some awesome poppy ass rock music! I've only listened to cork tree so far, but I'm pretty psyched to scope out the rest of their stuff.
Sugar is a way better single than Dance, Dance though.
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I'm not sure I'm ready to make the jump to Panic! At The Disco yet though. That still seems wrong.
Might check out some MCR some day soon!
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(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2241/663872-vault_boy_manip_super.jpg)
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If you are not kidding and being sarcastic, yes, I genuinely think Fall Out Boy were a good band. From Under the Cork Tree is their last good album though. Infinity on High was shit and I didn't even want to listen to Folie a Deux.
HUR I MEAN FALL OUT BOY?? MORE LIKE FALL OUT EMOS HUR HUR HUR
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a+++ thread, would revisit again.
some of their tunes were catchy-ish. pop punk is alright.
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If you are not kidding and being sarcastic, yes, I genuinely think Fall Out Boy were a good band. From Under the Cork Tree is their last good album though. Infinity on High was shit and I didn't even want to listen to Folie a Deux.
I enjoyed all three of those albums. Folie a Deux tried to capitalize on a rather large amount of star power, there's a featured credit every other song or so. Despite that, it's a bit heavier than their other efforts, and I'd put it very close to Cork Tree for my favorite album of theirs.
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I do still have a special spot in my musical-cavity for Fall Out Boy, especially the older albums. I think their newer cd's have pushed out from the teenage angst and melodrama that launched them to deal with the issues in their lives now that they're successful rock stars and music executives. While normally I'm all for artistic growth and development, in this case... I've come to realize my attachment to their earlier stuff is mostly emotional, it brings to mind mindless high school melodrama. It reminds me of ex-girlfriends and how complicated I thought my life was. I like their earlier cd's because they're angsty and emotional just like I was as a teenager.
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ya know what's really sad is that last post there just reminded me that i still listen to basically the same music as i did in high school for the most part. namely: jagjaguwar and k records stuff. (i graduated about 6 years ago)
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Fall Out Boy make such excellent excellent pop music and honestly it's pretty obtuse to suggest otherwise. The fact that I've never seen a band more eager to sell out and cram their entire existence full of product placement makes hard for me personally to support them in any way but that's my hang-up and I can't begrudge anyone else for liking them. Besides, everybody in the band who isn't Pete Wentz seem like genuinely nice and humble people and total music-lovers besides.
I heard they broke up last last year/early this year, though. Is that true?
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Like Blink-182 before them, yes, they are on "Indefinite Hiatus."
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My point being that blink came back and I hope they do too.
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I can't believe it's come to this.
:-(
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I can just about deal with like, Johnny C liking paramore because he's a total fucking fag, but seriously guys?
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I have this theory that the hated hair metal genre of the 1980s was actually an unfairly overlooked trove of incredible music.
I think this theory has legs.
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Why did this have to happen.
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I can just about deal with like, Johnny C liking paramore because he's a total fucking fag, but seriously guys?
The nerve of them.
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No seriously I am as aware of the works of Fallout Boy as anyone can reasonably be and this has got to be some sort of stupid joke.
Well this just ain't shit you joke about.
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Motley Crue are pretty fuckin' solid, Mr. Barnes.
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They're no Twisted Sister.
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I have a Jawbreaker tribute album where they cover Save Your Generation. It is actually pretty decent, better than the original perhaps. I have not listened to anything else by them and i have no desire to do so though.
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oh ha ha ha I thought you were talking about Twisted Sister for a second there oh ha ha :trex:
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They have an album with 3 different versions of the same song. An accoustic version, a pop version, and a CRUNK version.
I dislike this band for a GOOD reason.
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I'm with Khar on this one.
Wait, I agree with Khar? The world must be ending.
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i like indie music because it makes me look hip
so fall out boy has nothing to offer me
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As far as this third-rate supposed 'emo' that ended up quite popular a few years ago, Fall Out Boy were not really among the worst of it. 'Sugar' is truly an amazing pop song that I love while hating myself (a recurring theme in my life in general), and they have a handful of witty lyrics. But it's that 'wittiness' that they get too hung up on too much of the time and it gets very grating.
And then they broke up, so yay!
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Their first albums is solid and being a fan of pretty much everything pop punk, I dig it.
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Fall Out Boy make such excellent excellent pop music and honestly it's pretty obtuse to suggest otherwise. The fact that I've never seen a band more eager to sell out and cram their entire existence full of product placement makes hard for me personally to support them in any way but that's my hang-up and I can't begrudge anyone else for liking them. Besides, everybody in the band who isn't Pete Wentz seem like genuinely nice and humble people and total music-lovers besides.
I heard they broke up last last year/early this year, though. Is that true?
Dovey, Dovey, lema sabachtani
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fall out boy is not punk and i'm telling everyone.
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Dovey, Dovey, lema sabachtani
Nice aramaic up in this here thread.
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fall out boy is not good and i'm telling everyone.
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Um, I don't understand why such special ire is reserved for this band? Unless it is, as I mentioned, that the band's trajectory is pretty much an object lesson in selling out. Like I said, I get pretty uncomfortable with them for that reason to the point where I can't even bring myself to illegally download their records, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't actively enjoyed listening to their songs when they come on the radio.
Also it occurs to me that the fact that I basically never find myself in a situation where I have to listen to commercial radio or watch music television or basically engage with mainstream culture whatsoever means that I'm basically immune to the negative effects of the kind of ubiquity that a band like Fallout Boy get, which is probably another reason why they seem to be a favourite for haters of all persuasions.
I imagine if I had to hear a song like "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" (ugh) twice or more a day for any sustained amount of time I'd probably be joining in the fun myself.
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racetraitors not punk and im telling everyone.
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fall out boy is not punk and i'm telling everyone.
save your breath they never were
you don't know what they're all about
like flaunting dicks on the net and taking prozac
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Um, I don't understand why such special ire is reserved for this band?
It's not really special ire. It's just ire. They're a shitty, obnoxious band.
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You say that so much it has lost all meaning!
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But this time there are people that agree with him!
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So what you're saying is if I said every day that the sky is blue you would start thinking it was green?
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Yes.
Yes I would.
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But no one would give a shit about your opinions, because you like Fall Out Boy.
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i find apathy is usually a better solution than ire.
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i mean when the problem is something as simple as a band i dont really care for.
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My brother forumites, comrades in struggle, the fight is not just for a band, but for the very soul of our forum!
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From Under the Cork Tree is a good album. It used to be a guilty pleasure, but I don't feel guilty about it any more.
it kicks ass
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My brother forumites, comrades in struggle, the fight is not just for a band, but for the very soul of our forum!
Sexist.
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It's a paraphrase of an Oswald Moseley speech to the blackshirts. Sexism is the least of its problems.
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Fall Out Boy was ok when Take This to Your Grave came out (pretty decently catchy stuff, for about half an album) and they played shows at the Arlington Heights Nights of Columbus and I could walk out because their performance was so horrible. Terrible live band, sort of embarrassing.
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oh dude this reminds me i never posted that ep you made on my blog. i haven't posted in a while i think im gonna do that tomorrow.
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haha, glad my reply on a fall out boy thread is what reminded you! thanks!
(Saturday off TTtYG is one of my top favorite pop songs... to keep this post relevant to the thread)
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It's a paraphrase of an Oswald Moseley speech to the blackshirts. Sexism is the least of its problems.
I've never knowingly heard this Fallout Boy band but suddenly I am tempted to like them if the alternative is following in the footsteps of Oswald Moseley.
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Quickly, lower the nets, and trap them all inside this thread!
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i find apathy is usually a better solution than ire.
I am finding this pretty hilarious right now.
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i mean when the problem is something as simple as a band i dont really care for.
if all you did was write music i did not enjoy i would not have much beef with you.
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I've never knowingly heard this Fallout Boy band but suddenly I am tempted to like them if the alternative is following in the footsteps of Oswald Moseley.
Rhetorical footsteps only.
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The fact that I've never seen a band more eager to sell out and cram their entire existence full of product placement makes hard for me personally to support them in any way but that's my hang-up and I can't begrudge anyone else for liking them.
I actually thought a lot about this statement, too, after reading it. Since no one I know (in real life) talks about Fall Out Boy, and I have not been in college for a couple years and I don't have roommates with girlfriends that listen to the band, I don't have to think about the subject to often. But, to be fair, I don't think Fall Out Boy really ever sold out. It was pretty much (to my good understanding) a band formed of a couple dudes from the DuPage (Chicago) hardcore scene and a couple of their friends. They figured out that they probably weren't going to "get any chicks" making hardcore music (this was obviously a few years ago, so to my recollection that would have actually been the case back then), so they decided to start a shit pop punk band to score with high schoolers and college freshmen.
I mean, it doesn't really come any closer to individually selling out than it does right when they started... their drummer was in a, like, militant vegan straightedge band, for example. But, to me, they (as a band) did not sell out in any way. They started the band with a certain goal, and they achieved well beyond that goal, and they happened to do a pretty good job at it.
I'm not saying I disagree with you that their existence as a band may be a little disgusting, but really they did not sell out at any point, given how they formed. In my opinion.
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i mean when the problem is something as simple as a band i dont really care for.
if all you did was write music i did not enjoy i would not have much beef with you.
Fair cop.
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But, to be fair, I don't think Fall Out Boy really ever sold out.
new sig quote.
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I have been trapped in a lack of context. And that is ok.
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Very true though. Awful but more respectable than most of their contemporaries because at least they never pretended to be anything other than a glorified merch stall.
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You can't hate them for what they are.
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What am I talking about of course you can.
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I mean, it doesn't really come any closer to individually selling out than it does right when they started... their drummer was in a, like, militant vegan straightedge band, for example. But, to me, they (as a band) did not sell out in any way. They started the band with a certain goal, and they achieved well beyond that goal, and they happened to do a pretty good job at it.
I'm talking more about things like this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onzL0EM1pKY) which features blatant shilling for at least 3 companies (probably more, I'm remembering off the top of my head) and that one of their tours was called something like "The HONDA CIVIC tour with fallout boy".
Anyway being completely disingenuous i.e; "I'm not in this band because I enjoy the music we play but because it is strategically targeted to make us a lot of money/fuck barely legals" isn't even close to being better than "selling out".
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I don't really give a fuck, I will rock out to Take This To Your Grave and like it. It's got some catchy tunes on it.
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They're a shitty, obnoxious band.
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Dovey I watched your link and the only product placement I really noticed (and I was looking) was for Nokia (that one was easy), Mesa, Sabian, chimpanzees, chess and shitty haircuts. And I'm ok with Mesa and Sabian because we use the same equipment in my band? I guess having amps in the background is not a big deal anyway.
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Also whatever car they are driving and the deoderant body spray shit
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Actually, I would say quitting bands you are in that you believe in the art and/or message (hardcore ethos/straightedge lifestyle... usually dudes in hardcore bands and straightedge bands are pretty serious about their shit, or, again like I said earlier, this was the case a few years ago) to fuck girls is way worse than saying, hey, the director for this video wants to put some logos in this video so he can have extra blow money... we'll get some extra piss money.
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I think when someone's previous band was an extended and vicious attack on colonialism and they quickly move from that to shilling for Nokia it's significantly worse than just deciding to do a band because you think it'll get you laid.
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I think being a militant vegan straightedge band is probably worse than being Motley Crüe
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Dude, why didn't anyone ever turn me on to this band? I mean I accept that if you'd tried to when they were big like 5 years ago I probably would have hit you, and I've made some pretty impassioned claims against them, but fuck, dude.
This is a good band! This is some awesome poppy ass rock music! I've only listened to cork tree so far, but I'm pretty psyched to scope out the rest of their stuff.
Sugar is a way better single than Dance, Dance though.
(http://tehresistance.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/akbar1-749394.jpg)
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I think when someone's previous band was an extended and vicious attack on colonialism and they quickly move from that to shilling for Nokia it's significantly worse than just deciding to do a band because you think it'll get you laid.
I do agree with that, but my point is the dudes were pretty much already wallowing in cash at the point that that video came out, I really don't think that was some kind of defining moment in "selling out," whereas just saying fuck-it to the DuPage scene is a pretty bold move.
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Dude, why didn't anyone ever turn me on to this band? I mean I accept that if you'd tried to when they were big like 5 years ago I probably would have hit you, and I've made some pretty impassioned claims against them, but fuck, dude.
This is a good band! This is some awesome poppy ass rock music! I've only listened to cork tree so far, but I'm pretty psyched to scope out the rest of their stuff.
Sugar is a way better single than Dance, Dance though.
(http://tehresistance.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/akbar1-749394.jpg)
I don't get it.
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It's an internet meme, and a pretty poorly used one, pay no mind.
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Also whatever car they are driving and the deoderant body spray shit
Oh yeah! The body spray thing I got. The car I thought about but in the end, to me it was just a nondescript black vehicle. Probably some kind of giant SUV.
Also, wanting to have sex with ladies is basically the main reason any dude joined a band. It is certainly the reason I sing in a band, though the music we play is likely to attract mostly this girl. (http://zxzw.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blackmetalbarbie21.jpg)
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Nooooooo jimmy, it'll be like that Cradle of Filth video! You'll be squatting by the lake one misty autumn morning, kissing the ring on the hand fo a corpse that is reaching out from the ground. Then you'll see her. You'll follow her down the avenue of trees. At the end, she's turned away, and you'll touch her shoulder and she'll turn round and she'll have no face just a grotesque, teeth-lined wound for a mouth, and she'll rip out your heart and shove it in your mouth.
It happens all the time.
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I'd still tap it
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Also, wanting to have sex with ladies is basically the main reason any dude joined a band.
I thought that mentality was left behind in the 80's, relegated today only to bar rock / cover bands. Maybe I'm wrong or too idealistic?
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I only like them ironically.
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I can't help but feel that lots of people here just "like them ironically". I could easily be wrong. I don't really get the deal with "liking things ironically".
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I have this theory that the hated hair metal genre of the 1980s was actually an unfairly overlooked trove of incredible music.
I think this theory has legs.
QFT
I honestly totally agree. Even if you were being sarcastic.
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I can't help but feel that lots of people here just "like them ironically".
I really doubt that.
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I don't really get the deal with "liking things ironically".
(http://peasantswithpitchforks.com/point/images/ken_by_request_only.jpg)
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I can't help but feel that lots of people here just "like them ironically". I could easily be wrong. I don't really get the deal with "liking things ironically".
But there's only like two people who like them at all?
And I don't like anything ironically because that is A Thing Stupid People Do
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because that is A Thing Stupid People Do
Ironically I like this.
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Also, wanting to have sex with ladies is basically the main reason any dude joined a band.
I thought that mentality was left behind in the 80's, relegated today only to bar rock / cover bands. Maybe I'm wrong or too idealistic?
You're both!
Most anything a dude does is to trick a lady into having sex with him. Don't get me wrong, there are other reasons that dude's may have to join a band; love of music primarily among them but somewhere, each of these dudes is also thinking "being in a band will get me chicks and/or other dudes". Maybe I was off with the "main reason" thing but it's a pretty big thing. Very few people will join a band thinking "man, I sure hope this deters people from wanting to have sex with me".
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Unless you are joining a prog rock band
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Well obviously.
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Very few people will join a band thinking "man, I sure hope this deters people from wanting to have sex with me".
Why are you presenting this as a binary? For a lot of people it doesn't even enter into the equation.
Also for fucking real I have to put up with everyone giving me shit about Paramore (who are fuckin awesome and full of exuberant energy and killer guitar hooks and interesting tone and clever lyrics and aren't overproduced and just slay, they are goddamn killer across the board) and after a page Kieffer's thread about Fall Out Boy isn't about that band anymore? You can all blow me.
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Johnny I like Paramore too! I think it is mostly just that no one on this board gives a fuck about my opinions at all at any point anyway.
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Why are you presenting this as a binary? For a lot of people it doesn't even enter into the equation.
Haha sure it doesn't
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Kieffer, when you wouldn't shut up about Gucci Mane and some other garbage southern rap, I thought you were wack.
But here you're absolutely right. Fall Out Boy is a band that writes catchy pop punk tunes. I used to consider catchy pop punk a guilty pleasure but I don't give a shit to bother anymore. Shit is great and I could care less how much money Pete Wentz receives from Axe Body Spray or Honda product placement at the end of the month. Same with Paramore.
If you want a different perspective on Panic! at the Disco, watch the episode of Live at Abbey Road that features them and you'll see that they're just a decent indie pop band who are plagued with shitty fans and whose producers cater to those shitty fans by making their records sound unbearably emo. Stripped down and well-produced, they're just catchy pop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7WUul0bSKw
The frontman says some relatively intelligent stuff in the intro montage that you wouldn't expect from a guy in his position.
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I watched that Panic At the Disco video (when did they drop the exclamation mark?). Ok, I feel like constructing an analogy here. I'm gonna compare bands to objects. Say like, this is the Rolling Stones:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Crashed_sports_car.jpg) A classic sportscar that has been completely destroyed in a drunken accident.
Right? And like the Beatles might be a chicken vindaloo because they're tasty and pretended to be indian. Okay. Well, what I just saw was this:
(http://brookmeg.com/images/wfjpgs/large/nv56.jpg)
Full of vomit.
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Khar, I won't understand you unless you provide some justification.
That video involves a bunch of young guys playing some pop songs on guitar and piano that are not groundbreaking but not bad, then talking about how they wrote some songs when they were in high school and suddenly they were on the cover of every teenybopper magazine in the world and how that's lame and they wish they had time to grow and mature as musicians, but how they understand that if that were the case, they may very well have never become successful at all. They also complain about how their label wants them to interview for magazines like Spin every day of the week but didn't want them to play live at Abbey Road, and how they're flattered to be there and discontent with their label's overly commercial attitude.Then they play a few more catchy pop songs.
I think your analogy is overkill. What the fuck are you talking about?
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The music, which is legitimately horrible.
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I would actually find being made to listen to this band for more than about ten minutes at most to be pretty serious torture.
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just a decent indie pop band
Hahaha.
By all means enjoy your shitty mallcore but come on, if you don't care about what anyone else thinks at least have the guts to call a spade a spade. Don't try to justify it by calling them something they obviously aren't.
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just a decent indie pop band
Hahaha.
By all means enjoy your shitty mallcore but come on, if you don't care about what anyone else thinks at least have the guts to call a spade a spade. Don't try to justify it by calling them something they obviously aren't.
See, this is the attitude I hold towards Fall Out Boy, blink-182, and every other god awful pop punk band I've ever enjoyed.
But P!atD genuinely strikes me as a (low-grade) indie band that got fucked in the ass by poor production and too much synthesizer.
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I've never enjoyed Panic At The Disco.
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just a decent indie pop band
Hahaha.
By all means enjoy your shitty mallcore but come on, if you don't care about what anyone else thinks at least have the guts to call a spade a spade. Don't try to justify it by calling them something they obviously aren't.
See, this is the attitude I hold towards Fall Out Boy, blink-182, and every other god awful pop punk band I've ever enjoyed.
But P!atD genuinely strikes me as a (low-grade) indie band that got fucked in the ass by poor production and too much synthesizer.
Dude, Blink isn't mallcore. They're anthemic Pop-Punk perfectly tailored for teenaged sensibilities with really tight song writing and a phenomenal drummer.
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and a decent punk rock drummer.
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Dude travis barker is probably in the top 5 drummers working in pop music, real talk.
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Yes? Making lifelike fuck toys is hard I bet.
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Travis Barker: The best sanitation commissioner in the whole of El Paso County.
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Did you just imply that drummers in pop music don't deserve very much credit?
Fuckhead.
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Woah I live in El Paso county.
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Larimer County Rules
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Travis Barker is one of the best drummers in the field of drummers who like to play a lot of rolls while upside down.
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Dude travis barker is probably in the top 5 drummers working in pop music, real talk.
Even though I don't have an opinion, I was convinced by your use of the term "real talk."
Don't worry, just remember, what these forumites eat don't make you shit.
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Tommy: Maybe he meant "indie" pop?
The last few posts: Travis Barker is a good drummer like Joe Satriani is a good guitarist. Obviously very skilled and given to occasional bouts of extreme catchiness but needs to be seriously reined in most of the time.
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I always thought Sugar and Dance, Dance to be catchy, annoyingly so but catchy nonetheless. I never heard they broke up but recently something forced me to start listening to those two songs again.
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The last few posts: Travis Barker is a good drummer like Joe Satriani is a good guitarist. Obviously very skilled and given to occasional bouts of extreme catchiness but needs to be seriously reined in most of the time.
Dude is a good drummer, I just object to the word phenomenal in that context.
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The last few posts: Travis Barker is a good drummer like Joe Satriani is a good guitarist. Obviously very skilled and given to occasional bouts of extreme catchiness but needs to be seriously reined in most of the time.
There are so many things wrong with that comparison I don't even know where to start.
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Dude is a good drummer, I just object to the word phenomenal in that context.
In fairness I don't think anybody specifically described the nature of the phenomenon in question.
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The last few posts: Travis Barker is a good drummer like Joe Satriani is a good guitarist. Obviously very skilled and given to occasional bouts of extreme catchiness but needs to be seriously reined in most of the time.
There are so many things wrong with that comparison I don't even know where to start.
Try harder. It's a good analogy. Have you ever actually listened to some Joe Satriani musics? He's actually got a pretty great melodic sense. However both he and Barker do a lot of things not because they "should" but because they can.
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Dude, why didn't anyone ever turn me on to this band? I mean I accept that if you'd tried to when they were big like 5 years ago I probably would have hit you, and I've made some pretty impassioned claims against them, but fuck, dude.
This is a good band! This is some awesome poppy ass rock music! I've only listened to cork tree so far, but I'm pretty psyched to scope out the rest of their stuff.
Sugar is a way better single than Dance, Dance though.
(http://akbar)
I don't get it.
i was saying you were trying to lure out the morons who actually like fall out boy so you could gas and burn them, but it turns out you aren't and actually like fall out boy for some fucked up ridiculous reason
but you guys all listen to kanye west now so i shouldn't be so surprised i guess
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These fucks have always liked Kanye West man.
I find it pretty sickening.
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Hey, hey, hey, separate this fuck from those fucks. We don't need mixed fucks. I don't like Kanye West.
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No one gives a fuck what you like!
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I'm not saying what I like, I'm saying what I don't like.
Geez.
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Kanye is a pretty phenomenal rapper, but also basically the worst dude at rapping this side of Chuggo.
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Please explain that sentence for me because it makes no sense
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You asked for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeHk4WMWpY).
Chris, you should really be on this man.
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Dogg I was under the assumption that Chuggo was common knowledge within this forum.
also ahhhh c'mon fuck a fall out boy
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aw man i have only just now watched that.
i feel like i understand this forum on a whole new level now.
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AWWWW COME ON FORNICATE WITH A GENTLEMEN
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And I don't like anything ironically because that is A Thing Stupid People Do
A reminder: Jeph on irony (http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/222/).
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You asked for it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeHk4WMWpY).
Chris, you should really be on this man.
'You see that guy with a Bible? That's called a priest. Ain't nobody names people's professions like me!'
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but you guys all listen to kanye west now so i shouldn't be so surprised i guess
Who the fuck listens to Kanye now? The optimal mode is to have been on Kanye's jock for the first two records then hop off at Graduation when he started talking like he was hot shit and basically treading the same old ground as every other rapper except 100% less relatable and appealing and sincere
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Guys I know who Chuggo is, that wasn't the part I was confused about
I was talking about where he said Kanye was a phenomenal rapper, but also bad at rapping
This might just be me being stupid about rap though
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Actually I think Kanye can tie in to my Satriani/Barker analogy as well i.e; the dude has phenomenal flow and is insanely clever but (at least recently) he's disappeared so far up his own ass that nobody gives a sweet delicious fuck.
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Guys I know who Chuggo is, that wasn't the part I was confused about
I was talking about where he said Kanye was a phenomenal rapper, but also bad at rapping
This might just be me being stupid about rap though
Kanye is a phenomenal producer and bad at rapping. Almost as bad as I am at typing!
808's and Heartbreak is probably my favorite Kanye record though, or I guess more accurately Heartless is just the best fuccin song, and I could take or leave the rest.
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The only people who liked 808s are Hispanic scene kids who also love Morrisey and twenty-something white guys who just needed a soundtrack to fuck other people's girlfriends to.
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for a moment I thought you were actually referring to 808s and I would cut you.
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The only people who liked 808s are Hispanic scene kids who also love Morrisey and twenty-something white guys who just needed a soundtrack to fuck other people's girlfriends to.
I am neither and I liked it. It is also the only Kanye West album I've ever liked.
I'm dissprovin' all over yer theories
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How was he "shittin' in some ears"? Love Lockdown alone was fucking amazing, unlike anything else I've heard at least in pop music.
I should also make a distinction between "like" and "love". Aside from Love Lockdown and a few others I wasn't massive crazy about it, I just thought it was a good solid album.
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Haha sure it doesn't
I've been wrong about the Evens forever, it seems.
Who the fuck listens to Kanye now? The optimal mode is to have been on Kanye's jock for the first two records then hop off at Graduation when he started talking like he was hot shit and basically treading the same old ground as every other rapper except 100% less relatable and appealing and sincere
The only people that's trendy for are people who are totally uninterested in rap besides being able to say things like "I don't like that shit about bitches and guns, you know?" Also Graduation has a bunch of killer tracks and I get the feeling a bunch of you don't know what you're talking about. Like
bad at rapping
Not even. Look up "ft. Kanye West" on YouTube and check out a bunch of spots where he absolutely lays it down. Yeezy can be clumsy at times but his best moments are pretty fucking good. How could you say that he's a bad rapper and have heard like half of Late Registration? Dovey's right except that Kanye has always been up his own ass and that's what makes records like Graduation and 808s stand out - they have a focus usually not found in rap records, while bearing the excellent singles the genre's known for.
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for a moment I thought you were actually referring to 808s and I would cut you.
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The only people that's trendy for are people who are totally uninterested in rap besides being able to say things like "I don't like that shit about bitches and guns, you know?" Also Graduation has a bunch of killer tracks and I get the feeling a bunch of you don't know what you're talking about. Like
Hey thanks for putting words in my mouth man!
Seeing as Kanye doesn't typically rap about bitches and guns I have no idea how that could be a problem in the first place but besides how is it an invalid opinion to suggest that the dude's first two records were pretty unique mostly because they were being made by a guy who seemingly had a bit of self-awareness and even though he dealt in a lot of Rap Game tropes he also had the sense to realise that maybe it was all a bit silly, something he's abandoned in more recent times?
Whatever, I guess a cracker like me could never get rap like you do.
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My problem with Kanye is that I don't particularly like his voice or find it all that distinctive even if he's not actually stumbling over his words. Not hating on the guy, mind you, but overall I consider his production skills to be his true strength.
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Actually it is pretty cool that we are talking about Kanye in this thread because it gives me an excuse to link to this which I think is pretty sweet even though it's obviously a bit rough and just him fucking around.
Love Lockdown by Patrick Stump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvRJeYb239w)
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You know this thread just reminded me that Kanye produced this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mnKNr2Tiq8) which is magNIFICENT
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I would not say that kanye is a great rapper if talking about his techical skills. His flow can rather average but his great virtue is in knowing the limitations of his voice and producing accodingly. His whole attitude is rather unlikeable but 808s and Heartbreak was actually a pretty good record.
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Kanye doesn't have the most amazing flow, it's more his references and humour which make him work. And his production.
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Same thing could be said for Family Guy.
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Only if you replace the word "humor" with the word "tedium" and "work" with "obnoxious."
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More or less, yeah.
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If Family Guy was a sketch show I'd have zero problem with it (other than it not being funny most of the time). They could have a recurring Peter sketch, Stewie and Brian sketch, Quagmire sketch, etc. and it'd be fine. It's still funny sometimes it's just that they attempt to shoehorn this completely non-sequitur humour into a 22-minute sitcom, which is stupid.
They also have no idea what it means to parody something.
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(http://www.pinqradio.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/applause.gif)
Of the things that have happened in this thread, Jens's skill with a tossed off Venn diagram is what I most respect.