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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Is it cold in here? on 28 Mar 2010, 20:09
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It's almost midnight and no thread yet.
I've given up on hoping Marigold won't get hurt, and falling back on clinging to the hope she won't be hurt too badly.
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Jeph is still
drawing crap on toilet paper (http://www.twitvid.com/A26F9) mulling over the writing, let alone the actual artwork. It'll be a while. I'm pondering myself whether I want to stay up for it, or just go to bed and wake up to massive forum drama and lulz.
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Quick everyone vote for everything! Fuck the democratic process!
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As a guy, I can safely say that even Angus has no idea where this is going. We really don't think things through that well in general, and there are a lot of ways to be noble and still be stupid!
I think he'll do the right thing; I hope he'll do it well!
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I don't think there's any real consensus on what the hell the right thing would be, in this particular situation.
Edit: Edited first post based on Jeph's latest, exceptionally important tweet.
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I know what's right. Rebuff Marigold, tell her she's too drunk to take seriously, then resolve to pretend like it never, ever happened unless she brings it up. (Of course, Faye's going to barge in and ruin this strategy.)
Meanwhile, if Angus decides he likes the idea of Marigold as his SO, he can make moves to make that happen. But not like this. Because it will be (everybody singa!)
that's not nearly all…Oh!...tainted love
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Ooh oh oh! *doomp doomp* Taaaaainted lo-oove
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I know what's right. Rebuff Marigold, tell her she's too drunk to take seriously, then resolve to pretend like it never, ever happened unless she brings it up. (Of course, Faye's going to barge in and ruin this strategy.)
Meanwhile, if Angus decides he likes the idea of Marigold as his SO, he can make moves to make that happen. But not like this. Because it will be (everybody singa!)
that's not nearly all…Oh!...tainted love
Wouldn't that be a terrible thing to do to Marigold? Yes, she is drunk, but that's still a pretty harsh reaction from her roommate/(possibly) best friend/love interest. There's no way that she could effectively bottle something like that up, save for a blackout, which, come to think of it, would be rather convenient for all involved.
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"Marigold, you're drunk. If you remember and still want this in the morning, come talk to me. Otherwise, this never happened." Then in the morning make sure to check on her and give her an opening to bring it up - which gives him all night to think about what he wants to do and figure out how to let her down as gently as possible if he decides to hold out for Faye.
That's about the best thing he could do. So he'll either freak out and run or go for it now, only to have morning freakouts and badness.
Poor Marigold... until this she reminded me a lot of me, so I want her to be happy. I wouldn't have the courage to get that drunk around someone I liked for exactly this reason!
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I think you are all overestimating Angus's niceness. Yes, he's a nice guy, but he's also a guy who coincidentally says incredibly ass-y things without really thinking about it. Come on, you know? If he said something stupid to her over something LESS awkward and shocking, what makes anyone think that he'll be completely rational and taking her feelings into account? I assume that will be... maybe part of it, but I doubt it will be the foremost thing on his mind when setting her down. I'm sure this situation has triggered Angus's fight or flight response. I'm nearly positive that Faye triggers fight and Marigold triggers
"GET. THE. FUCK. OUT OF THERE." flight.
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If Angus is sober enough to think straight, and if Marigirl is socially astute enough to take advantage of it, they've got the perfect face-saving maneuver available: either "Hehe, was I ever drunk" or "What happened last night? I don't remember at all".
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Prediction: Jeph's tweets have suggested high drama for tonight's comic. He posts the comic and we get 4 panels of AnthroPC orgy. "April Fool's, dear readers. Hahalhbgahgbaahgbalhabg"
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Quick everyone vote for everything! Fuck the democratic process!
Welcome to the Forum Rush.
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I think you are all overestimating Angus's niceness. Yes, he's a nice guy, but he's also a guy who coincidentally says incredibly ass-y things without really thinking about it.
Yeah, this is more what I am expecting. Though, maybe the drunkenness will make a difference? Though I guess he's not really drunk anymore, thanks to Marigold. Hm.
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Horrible... horrible laughter... oh shit, Momo's so awesome!
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Welp, that was inevitable.
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Bwahahaha. You've got to love Momo-chan.
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Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
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Momo is sure enjoying her new digits.
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Welp, that was inevitable.
Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
Basically, both of these.
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Awwww FRAK!!
Ya gotta feel sorry for Angus here. There was no way, not in any way, shape or form, was he going to win in this situation.
I hope that this doesn't ruin things between him and Marigold - Truth be told he would make a better friend than Boyfriend, and I think she needs that more at this point.
Gods know what this will do for things between Angus and the others - Let alone with Marigold.
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Awww Poor Marigold. I feel so bad for her even though I knew it was sort of inevitable.
You know, Sven plays WoW...
What!? It might happen. She helps him Level; He helps her unlock some real life achievements.
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Welp, that was inevitable.
Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
Basically, both of these.
This.
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Momo-tan should give Angus credit for handling it that well. There's a universe of bad things he didn't do.
Really, Momo, could your social protocol database have suggested anything better?
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Oh my god there is no comic thread what is going ooooooooonnnn....
Though I am surprised. I made this about half an hour after the comic was posted. Get on the ball guys, even you East Coasters. Sleep can wait.
What I wrote as I created another thread before this thread was pointed out to me. Curse my inferior title-scanning skills. You might want to reformat the thread name to fit with most of the others, though.
Also, comic: Wowsers. That didn't go well, though it did go as I expected. Angus/emotionally clueless+ Marigold/socially clueless= drama! Having a robot give him the finger was a perfect capper.
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And Faye finds herself attached to even more drama...
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I think Momo knows and understands that - It's just her loyalty to Marigold couldn't let her get away without some comment.
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Ouch. Honestly, Angus handled it about as well as any normal guy could. He was honest, he was fairly gentle. He wasn't super-suave enough to somehow manage to rebuff her while sparing her most of her embarrassment, but very few people could do that. Considering he's also drunk, he did better than expected.
Poor Marigold though. :/ The worst thing is, unless she blacks out, it'll all feel WORSE in the morning.
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OK, he did the right thing. And about as well as he could. And the result was not unexpected.
Now, it's all in the follow through.
He really shouldn't just sit there. A few choice words with Momo would be in order first, but even still drunk, he and Marigold have got to talk more about this!
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!!!!!!! Webcomic GENIUS! Momo's finger is PERFECT! L O L ! Hahahaha!
[Undo rant. Initial feedback indicates inappropriateness.] ...I was really hoping Jeph would find a way to spare Mar-bear's feelings.
Concur with consensual opinion, there was no happy outcome possible.
But I stand by Momo's response - a webcomic Classic Moment! :) I want that as my avatar. Tomorrow, after much-needed sleep.
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So what *is* the way to handle that without having a robot flip you off?
Empathetic listening? An "I'm flattered but" reaction? A compliment before setting her down? A self-blaming "Did I lead you on" speech?
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unfortuantley there is no better way to handle that in which momo wouldnt flip him off. but I agree I think its her friend protocol overiding her social (or its a combo of both)
I have to say I would have done the same thing (and I have in the past and it always makes you feel like a shit when you do)
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im glad he broke up with her.. i want angus with faye :)
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So what *is* the way to handle that without having a robot flip you off?
Empathetic listening? An "I'm flattered but" reaction? A compliment before setting her down? A self-blaming "Did I lead you on" speech?
I smell a new poll!
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im glad he broke up with her.. i want angus with faye :)
Whoa, wait - broke up? You can't break what was never there... relationships take two parties. It's hard to end what never really started!
I know, i know, "try telling Marigold that"...
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You know, Sven plays WoW...
Some things are better left unthought...
But wait. Sven's been growing. If he's completely past his people-using phase, if he doesn't demand that she be blond, if he's willing to be patient...
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And the wank begins.
Angus, you stupid fucking SHITBRAIN! You should DIE an IMMEDIATE, PROFOUNDLY PAINFUL DEATH, because you just hurt her far more than that. She doesn't think she has any chance for love with anyone else in the world, and you just bashed her dreams in, betrayed her trust, your friendship, ooooo i can't even type straight right now........ GFDYTH
WTF? Overreacting much? Poor guy was thrown into this situation unawares and it's not all daisies and roses on his side either. He did the best he could. Knowing Marigold's innermost fears and anxieties is not his responsibility, and neither is sacrificing his entire store of emotional comfort to coddle hers. She's not as fragile as THAT (really? You think she processes a polite rejection as more worse than a "profoundly painful death"?) and if she were, no one would be held responsible for it, least of all someone who's just a roommate and kinda-friend. If she were THAT fragile, she would have to be locked up in a sanitarium somewhere.
Moreover, how turning someone down when you are not interested in them betrays "trust" or "friendship," I have no idea. I hadn't realized that I was obligated to date anyone who asked me, anyway--or that anyone I asked out was obligated to date me if they were a friend.
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I like all the assertions of what will happen mere hours before we find out what does happen.
Because it will be (everybody singa!)
that's not nearly all…Oh!...tainted love
Ooh oh oh! *doomp doomp* Taaaaainted lo-oove
Oh man, now it's stuck in my head. Curse you!
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Quick everyone vote for everything! Fuck the democratic process!
Welcome to the Forum Rush.
Too bad it didn't work. A disturbingly large number picked the 2nd option. I mean, I understand the reasoning, but it's still a little mean (Yes, to a fictional character. Green Acres is nice, why do you ask?) to make that the ONE choice you pick.
Welp, that was inevitable.
Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
Basically, both of these.
This.
Yup. Crash+burn=injuries. But Momo's just defending her owner, don't mind her. Is it cold was right.
Awwww FRAK!!
Ya gotta feel sorry for Angus here. There was no way, not in any way, shape or form, was he going to win in this situation.
I hope that this doesn't ruin things between him and Marigold - Truth be told he would make a better friend than Boyfriend, and I think she needs that more at this point.
Gods know what this will do for things between Angus and the others - Let alone with Marigold.
I feel sorry for everyone remotely connected to this pileup, from the EMTs to the people stuck in traffic.
ranting
Dude, chill.
Wheeee, responses! Must stop and hit post now, before reading any more, or I'll never finish this post.
...Bamp, bamp (damit, raoullefere!)
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Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
YES!!!!!!! Play along, let her down easy, have some shred of compassion, you know how fragile she is........
No. Never. Stupidest. Move. EVER.
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I like all the assertions of what will happen mere hours before we find out what does happen.
Because it will be (everybody singa!)
that's not nearly all…Oh!...tainted love
Ooh oh oh! *doomp doomp* Taaaaainted lo-oove
Oh man, now it's stuck in my head. Curse you!
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Any one else remember how the EP ends? They shift into
Baby (baby, baby)
Where did our love go?
with the same bomping line. Really disturbing.
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Also, this (http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/post/481172735/spoiler-warning) from Jeph's twitter feed. Good for a few laughs - I needed it, myself...
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Playing along really would be betraying her trust.
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Marigold fell into her own trap; she practically had wedding bells ringing in her ears before she even talked to Angus about how she felt. She won't realize it for a while, but she never even considered Angus's feelings, simply assuming he'd love her regardless. Actually, it could be worse; she may have simply mentally negated any thought of failure.
Momo may technically have software which could tell her who's right and who's wrong in this situation. But, seriously, where genders are concerned, It's bros before hos, and chicks before dicks. Angus is right in what he did, but so what? He hurt her friend/master's feelings. So the little robot girl tells the guy to fuck off, then goes running off to console her friend with Haagen-Dazs.
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If I were Angus, and sober, and more clueful than he usually is, and thinking fast, I'd ask Momo-tan for advice.
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Well Marigold is, however this is possible (I never met any woman like that, do those exist ?!? Seriously ?!? At all ??), new to this "business".
So its expected she is clumsy.
Though Angus is also very clumsy and insensitive, but thats just how the average guy is. :-D
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Also, this (http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/post/481172735/spoiler-warning) from Jeph's twitter feed. Good for a few laughs - I needed it, myself...
I love those. I'll need a copy to edit for any time I need to tell someone a hard truth.
So the little robot girl tells the guy to fuck off, then goes running off to console her friend with Haagen-Dazs.
Or Pocky. Lots and lots of Pocky.
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Or an electric shock to erase her memory. I believe electro-convulsive treatment can cause memory loss?
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Also, this (http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/post/481172735/spoiler-warning) from Jeph's twitter feed. Good for a few laughs - I needed it, myself...
Can somebody please explain the second one to me? And is the third related to a certain work?
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To address Angus for a moment as well; I think there's nothing anyone in the comic, or this forum for that matter, could say, or do, to Angus, to make him feel anymore like a steaming pile of shit than he already feels. There's absolutely nothing that will make you feel lower than hurting someone you care about, even in an unavoidable situation like this. Angus is fairly protective of Marigold, I'd say he almost plays the role of a big brother for her. But just like Marigold didn't take his feelings into account, he didn't realize how she felt, until it was far too late.
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Also, this (http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/post/481172735/spoiler-warning) from Jeph's twitter feed. Good for a few laughs - I needed it, myself...
Can somebody please explain the second one to me? And is the third related to a certain work?
Number 2 is The Usual Suspects and number 3 is The Sixth Sense.
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I think betrayal of her trust would have been sleeping with her then rejecting her the next morning. What he did is precisely the white knight type of thing to do. Just because your the white knight doesnt mean your every girl's knight in shining armor, to come galloping in and sweep them off their feet. He was open and honest on how he felt there relationship is. The truth sometimes hurt. But marigold needs to learn from this and start branching out. She kind of attached herself to the only single guy she knows. not to get all nautical and cheesy but there are plenty of other fish in the sea.
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Any one else remember how the EP ends? They shift into
Baby (baby, baby)
Where did our love go?
with the same bomping line. Really disturbing.
You mean AWESOME, right?
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Any one else remember how the EP ends? They shift into
Baby (baby, baby)
Where did our love go?
with the same bomping line. Really disturbing.
You mean AWESOME, right?
Awesomely disturbing, then.
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Ok, thanks, but what is the trees?
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Also, 2nd page of WCT an hour after Monday's comic was posted, when was the last time that happened?
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that was a damned or be damned situation.
also, I thought I was the only guy ever to friendzone a girl.
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Nope, I have before too, and like angus felt like shit for doing it. She was my friend. :-(
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I'm a pretty cute girl and it's happened to me a bunch. Is not as rare as tv or "hur hur all guys just wanna stick it" raunch culture would make you think. Men and women: they're both just like people! :-P
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I'm a pretty cute girl [...]
SHOW PIX !!!! :-D :-D :-D SCNR ... :-P :roll: :evil: :laugh: :wink:
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You know, Sven plays WoW...
I wouldn't mind if this happened. But really, I could see it turning into an extreme Chuy/Autumn type relationship.
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Angus could have been much gentler with her. He could've easily made a BS excuse (not a lie), about the fact that his judgement is impaired and that they should slow it down for the moment. Something like that. Its like telling a person that one of their loved ones died by just saying "Your (i.e.)brother died" instead of leading them up to it. Just one more perfect example of why he really shouldn't be with Faye. The whole thing with not believing her about her father was another perfect example. He doesn't think before he says stuff, he just says what will quell any uncomfortableness for himself, and for Faye who has had a lot of trauma in her life, that can be the worst possible thing. I think I'm the only one on the forum who doesn't want to see them together though. It will probably happen, not because I'm giving the whole "I dont want it to happen so it probably will" speech, but mostly because every situation that would have caused Faye+Angus to never happen, was always somehow resolved. Angus has been rescued from those bad situations so many times I've lost count. Not ones that would shun him from the group, just ones that would have prevented any possibility of that relationship.
But I digress. He still should've eased Marigold into that.
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Angus could have been much gentler with her. He could've easily made a BS excuse (not a lie), about the fact that his judgement is impaired and that they should slow it down for the moment. Something like that.
Unfortunately I think that would have just made it worse. Saying that you want to "slow it down for the moment" is a bad idea because it makes it seem like there is a chance in the near future that you would be together, and I get the feeling Angus will just never think of Marigold as a potential partner. I have done this before to guys and it never ends well. I think people who are crushing will hold on to any shred of hope they can find. Angus did a decent job really. It is not like he said "EEEEEEEEEEWWWW, get away from me! How could you even think that I could be interested?!"
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Marigold is a whiny little whimp.
This is no trolling attempt, she seriously is THE most annoying character in the 3-4 years I've been reading QC.
How can anyone ever like her? She has the personality of a fuckin brick. I don't have any bricks in my phonebook.
Cause they are fuckin bricks.
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There was no posible way for Angus to spare Marigolds feelings that she would not have been able to misinterpret.
He told her, honestly and directly, the truth, even if it might have hurt her feelings. If Marigold wants to play in the NFL, she has to be able to take a hit.
Face it, everybody strikes out on their first trip to the plate, just because Marigold delayed her MLB debut is no reason for the pitcher to throw a softball. It's not like Angus was throwing chin music at the rookie.
She has to learn how to shoot at a 10-foot basket. (to round out my collection of sports metaphors)
My point is, Angus wouldn't be doing Marigold any favors by not letting her off the hook right away. If he had rebuffed her advances with an excuse like "we're too drunk" or something, Marigold may have thought that she still had a chance under other circumstances.
I also think Faye did the right thing when she found out what the situation was by getting out of there. Had she stayed, either Marigold would not have made her move, in which case she would still be entertaining her crush, or she would have, and been humiliated in front of an audience, as it were.
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But I digress. He still should've eased Marigold into that.
Just sobered, and this comes out of the blue (from Angus's perspective, not ours)? No way. He'd have to be smoother than one of Cary Grant's characters to pull that off, and maybe even then would fail.
I like all the assertions of what will happen mere hours before we find out what does happen.
Hey what're we supposed to do—wait to post until we actually know something? C'mon, there's be like two, three posts a week.
Momo is sure enjoying her new digits.
Semi-ninja'd. I was going to say "So that's what they are for." (Seeing as Pintsize gets along fine without—say, I wonder what became of the thumbs?)
I think betrayal of her trust would have been sleeping with her then rejecting her the next morning. What he did is precisely the white knight type of thing to do. Just because your the white knight doesnt mean your every girl's knight in shining armor, to come galloping in and sweep them off their feet. He was open and honest on how he felt there relationship is.
See? Sir Gawaine. Not Drystan.
And just to be clear, hopping into bed with Marigold (if it had gone that far) was what I saw as creating Tainted Love.
Anyway, Take my tears and and that's not all, Oh! :evil:
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The only reason anybody is offering any of the "support" for Marigold that they are is because she is a female character.
If the genders were swapped in the comic everyone would be mocking the living shit out of her on here.
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I disagree, shit is given to all characters at certain times, regardless of gender. It is just that there was this build up to almost inevitable disappointment for Marigold, she did not really have the experience to know how to go about it. If the roles were reversed (aside from the reactions of the characters I imagine being a bit different) I for one would feel for Angus.
Besides, no one is being mocked here anyway.
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Ok, thanks, but what is the trees?
That's The Happening (M. Night Shyamalan's eco-thriller, not Anthony Quinn's 1967 "comedy"). I needed Google to figure out Aeris though.
Is this another delayed-payoff comedy moment? I'd like to think Jeph ran the whole "AnthroPCs acquire digital extremities" arc all those months ago just so one day Momo could give someone the finger.
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There is no way that Angus could have gooten out of that situation without hurting Marigold either right then, or down the road. His reaction was honest, and any other would have been a disservice to his friend.
And Raoul - I've never mentioned this before, but I've hated that particular song since it debuted, and if you keep it up I may have to indulge in some violence.
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He who can sleep with a woman and does not, commits a great sin. If a woman calls you to share her bed and you don’t go, your soul will be destroyed! That woman will sigh before God on judgment day, and that woman’s sigh, whoever you may be and whatever your fine deeds, will cast you into Hell! If Hell exists, I shall go to Hell, and that’ll be the reason. Not because I’ve robed, killed or committed adultery, no! All that’s nothing. But I shall go to Hell because one night in Salonica a woman waited for me on her bed and I did not go to her…
-- N. Kazantzakis
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The only reason anybody is offering any of the "support" for Marigold that they are is because she is a female character.
If the genders were swapped in the comic everyone would be mocking the living shit out of her on here.
Um ? Nope.
He who can sleep with a woman and does not, commits a great sin. If a woman calls you to share her bed and you don’t go, your soul will be destroyed! That woman will sigh before God on judgment day, and that woman’s sigh, whoever you may be and whatever your fine deeds, will cast you into Hell! If Hell exists, I shall go to Hell, and that’ll be the reason. Not because I’ve robed, killed or committed adultery, no! All that’s nothing. But I shall go to Hell because one night in Salonica a woman waited for me on her bed and I did not go to her…
-- N. Kazantzakis
Idiocy knows no limits.
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By the way, thanks Is It Cold Here? for stepping up and getting a poll going - I don't think I could have done something here.
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Thus do we learn the real reason for Jeff giving Momo-tan that software upgrade patch.
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http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg)
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I have to say, that song always makes me think of the coneheads.
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I couldn't feel bad after seeing momo. I just lauuuughed.
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http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg)
Eww.
So, on my 3 hour drive this morning, I've been thinking...
The sympathy for Marigold (and the constant chant of the "Angus is an ass" crowd) is coming from one place - within.
Angus says the right thing - "you're WONDERFUL" - but just look at her body language in the 4th and 5th panels. She has suddenly realized that all the emotions she was feeling, she was also projecting onto Angus. She suddenly realized that she was mistaken.
And that's why she runs off, upset not with Angus (or she would yell at him, "I'm not good enough?"), but rather upset with herself, her own naivete, running from an embarassing moment as we all have at some point.
And that's what I love about this comic. Jeph manages to tap into the universal emotions. Some of us in the forum are old/experienced enough to see what's going on, others are connecting with Marigold on a more visceral/personal level (and may well blame Angus) from more recent experiences, but both happen because weall know this emotion, we all have done this (or something pretty damn close), and we all can never get over it completely. Time may heal all wounds, but it doesn't erase the scars.
Riever, this ones's for you!
Don't touch me, please
I cannot stand the way you tease;
I love you, though you hurt me so.
Now I'm gona grab my things and go!
BOMP BOMP
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angel:
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Marigold needs a few good blues albums and another fifth.
"Mama, He Treats Your Daughter So Bad" would be a good start; it's the first song that came to mind after jumped in the shower.
Conjecture: Marigold does something _really_ stupid now & we see the return of the photos.
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Jeph, this is the very first time I have been truly touched by this comic. I mean, not to say I haven't *felt* things before this, but your expressions(marigold's in particular) and choice of dialog are pretty much perfect here.
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I disagree, shit is given to all characters at certain times, regardless of gender. It is just that there was this build up to almost inevitable disappointment for Marigold, she did not really have the experience to know how to go about it. If the roles were reversed (aside from the reactions of the characters I imagine being a bit different) I for one would feel for Angus.
Besides, no one is being mocked here anyway.
If Marigold were the male equivalent to her current greasy/poor hygiene World of Warcraft/animu-nerd character, there would almost definitely be a trainwreck of "Holy shit, how pathetic!".
Unless I'm completely misreading the population of this message board and the majority of you people are World of Warcraft/animu-nerds.
I mean, when we were introduced to Marigold she lived an abject filth and was basically the embodiment of all that is wrong with Internet Culture. She hasn't changed that much in the time she's been in these comics, so I think my point is pretty valid.
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Jeph, this is the very first time I have been truly touched by this comic. I mean, not to say I haven't *felt* things before this, but your expressions(marigold's in particular) and choice of dialog are pretty much perfect here. :)
Holy Chao, yes! I found it almost painful to view. And I'm more impatient than ever to see the next comics, because I'm impatient to see the characters get better.
Right now I can only see one person that can be helpful to Marigold, and that would be Hanners. Although, given her usual reactions to physical contact, things could go even worse if Marigold hurls herself in her arms for consolation. Then again, maybe Hanners could surprize us, and manage to keep her self-control for the sake of Marigold.
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D'aww. I feel bad for both Marigold and Angus.
I can't blame Marigold, who's so socially stunted due to shyness that she has no idea how to read signals, and therefore honestly mistook Angus's friendly gestures as something else.
Nor can I blame Angus who, although more at ease with himself and others than she, is nevertheless also rather clueless about interpersonal cues. (That did end up working in his favour with regard to Faye, whom he's at least gotten past the "leave me alone or I'll send you flying across the bar" stage into the "I still don't want to date you but I'll exchange friendly banter with you" phase.) He honestly had no idea what effect his friendliness and joke-dancing and such was having on Marigold.
Now to Momo's reaction, which I haven't seen much discussion of yet. If she were a flesh-and-blood person as opposed to an AI, I'd be inclined to say she's being blindly and one-sidedly supportive of Mar. But it's arguable that as an AI she's simply following the dictates of her programming, namely supporting her owner first and foremost, and therefore isn't doing anything "wrong" as such. What do you all think?
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Wow, almost three pages.
And yeah, the shit has definately hit the fan.
And Momo flipping Angus the bird is almost too cute.
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Carl - thanks to you a puppy has been kicked and a kitten slapped. I'm now looking for the baby seal.
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If you could somehow work that last panel where Marigold's cute anthro-pc is giving the finger into a t-shirt, I'd be so grateful I would buy one.
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I disagree, shit is given to all characters at certain times, regardless of gender. It is just that there was this build up to almost inevitable disappointment for Marigold, she did not really have the experience to know how to go about it. If the roles were reversed (aside from the reactions of the characters I imagine being a bit different) I for one would feel for Angus.
Besides, no one is being mocked here anyway.
If Marigold were the male equivalent to her current greasy/poor hygiene World of Warcraft/animu-nerd character, there would almost definitely be a trainwreck of "Holy shit, how pathetic!".
I would have to disagree, a cute shy puppy is always a cute shy puppy, regardless of gender. The only male equivalent to Marigold I can think of at this point in time (im writing a 10 page paper while doing this) is Ducky from pretty in pink. Everyone was rooting for him to get the girl, but he was stuck in friend zone.
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Awww Poor Marigold. I feel so bad for her even though I knew it was sort of inevitable.
You know, Sven plays WoW...
What!? It might happen. She helps him Level; He helps her unlock some real life achievements.
Oh, I don't doubt it at all. Heck, I'm half-expecting that Sven's in her guild.
And yes, I saw the 'Just friends" line as inevitable. I do believe that Mari is being a bit overdramatic, but she is three sheets to the wind, after all.
Hopefully the hangover will make her forget things.
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Don't feel bad Jeph. At least you didn't give Marigold a miscarriage or anything like some other webcomics I know.
On the other hand I like Momo down in the corner of the last panel. Is she angry that:
1. Angus handled that... not so well?
2. Angus simply didn't accept it?
3. She just wanted to try out her new digits?
Can't wait for some more awkwardness in the near future!
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Ducky from pretty in pink. Everyone was rooting for him to get the girl, but he was stuck in friend zone.
Apparently (according to IMDb.com) the original ending did see Ducky win Andie's heart, but both test audiences and, on reflection, John Hughes himself felt it'd be better for Blane (the rich guy) to end up with her.
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There is no way that Angus could have gooten out of that situation without hurting Marigold either right then, or down the road. His reaction was honest, and any other would have been a disservice to his friend.
And Raoul - I've never mentioned this before, but I've hated that particular song since it debuted, and if you keep it up I may have to indulge in some violence.
Well, sometimes I feel I have to RUN AWAY, I've got to GET AWAY...
(Song was a hit when I was in high school, sue me)
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Ducky from pretty in pink. Everyone was rooting for him to get the girl, but he was stuck in friend zone.
Apparently (according to IMDb.com) the original ending did see Ducky win Andie's heart, but both test audiences and, on reflection, John Hughes himself felt it'd be better for Blane (the rich guy) to end up with her.
for artistic purposes I would have to agree that it would be better for ducky not to get the girl.
1)too cheesy if he did.
2)people can relate to being stuck in friend zone at one time or another
ducky was the dorky cute friend that will always be the friend and nothing more. I think "Not another Teen Movie" capitalized on this (but made the ducky like guy waaaaayyyyy more creepy). My only point is that ducky was not mocked or heckled for being the dorky guy that didnt get the girl.
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If Marigold were the male equivalent to her current greasy/poor hygiene World of Warcraft/animu-nerd character, there would almost definitely be a trainwreck of "Holy shit, how pathetic!".
Unless I'm completely misreading the population of this message board and the majority of you people are World of Warcraft/animu-nerds.
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I don't like or play WoW. I don't care much for anime. And you're misreading the population of this message board. Strike three, outside corner, have a seat.
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I have to say, this comic hit me hard. I've heard that term so many times - "You're so great, you're amazing, but we're just friends". It will frustrate and sadden you to no end when you finally come to terms that they've either lied and aren't interested in you, or are afraid of ruining a good friendship. It's a total downer.
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Wow - I have to say, yet again, if no one saw this coming, they were blind or in some serious denial. But I'm glad it played out the way it did... the expressions Marigold shows are just so real. Pretty sure that's exactly what I would look like if this ever happened to me. The pain of rejection coupled with the horrifying realization - the art is so spot-on right now, it pleases me to know end. And it seriously makes me sad. But Momo's gesture makes us all giggle a bit, alleviating the tension of depression so present in that strip.
I think Momo's reaction was perfect. Obviously, Angus handled things the very best way he could, but I think on Momo's level, having the software she does, she knew how he COULD have handled things, were he capable of knowing the perfect reaction in every social situation, be it awkward, strangely romantic, or just plain uncomfortable. To her, it might be obvious... as well as that initial instinct she (and some, but of course not all) AntroPCs feel to protect and defend their owners, would have generated the wonderful use of her digits!
On another note: I personally would not play WoW if you paid me to do it. However, I have always, and will likely always, love anime. Along this line, it's rather shitty of you to make such generalizations. Yes, Marigold is based on a generalization, but she is moving beyond that with each strip. She's growing and changing, and revealing parts of her nature that hadn't been assumed before, much like all the characters, and saying that were she a man, her character would receive endless mocking... do you think that if Sven was a woman, everyone on the board wouldn't moan about how much of a slut she was? Because, despite any notions you have about this board only disparaging males, it's my belief that they are universally disparaging - the only difference hinging on what the topic of the comic is each day/week.
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There is no way that Angus could have gooten out of that situation without hurting Marigold either right then, or down the road. His reaction was honest, and any other would have been a disservice to his friend.
And Raoul - I've never mentioned this before, but I've hated that particular song since it debuted, and if you keep it up I may have to indulge in some violence.
Well, sometimes I feel I have to RUN AWAY, I've got to GET AWAY...
(Song was a hit when I was in high school, sue me)
Same here, but in this case violence is much more likely to yield the results I want. I could get the judgement, its the enforcement that woudl be challenging.
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Also, 2nd page of WCT an hour after Monday's comic was posted, when was the last time that happened?
I _think_ the faye-sven arc beat that, many times over... ah, good times.
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There really wasn't a good way for Angus to let her down any more easily ESPECIALLY given his state, that wouldn't have resulted in her thinking, "wait, that means there's still a chance," and things going into creepy stalker mode.
I've got personal experience with that. That is, on Marigold's side of the situation (although mine was slightly different, in that the interest went both ways, but she didn't want to leave who she was with to do it.) And trying NOT to go into creepy stalker mode, while still staying friends, and still trying to capitalize on what seemed like a chance. Literally drove me insane.
To the point that last time I was rejected by a friend, I actually asked her try to be careful to not flirt with me, in case I think it's a chance, just so I can keep my sanity.
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*snip*
On another note: I personally would not play WoW if you paid me to do it. However, I have always, and will likely always, love anime. Along this line, it's rather shitty of you to make such generalizations.
I should note that I make a distinction between Anime and Animu that is different from most other definitions. The first is usually pretty decent entertainment, the second is the horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi" and tentacle rape whorehouses and the like.
Yes, Marigold is based on a generalization, but she is moving beyond that with each strip. She's growing and changing, and revealing parts of her nature that hadn't been assumed before, much like all the characters, and saying that were she a man, her character would receive endless mocking.
Marigold is doing absolutely nothing that without it being forced upon her by some of the other characters. No "growth" or branching out without somebody else dragging her along for the ride.
do you think that if Sven was a woman, everyone on the board wouldn't moan about how much of a slut she was? Because, despite any notions you have about this board only disparaging males, it's my belief that they are universally disparaging - the only difference hinging on what the topic of the comic is each day/week.
Please post where I have said that the board only disparages males. Never mind that I'm also pretty sure people were calling Sven a whore in past threads discussing him (a fair few results in searches, but the way the search works I can't link the results page for you), so I'm not sure what point you're actually making here.
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Awww Poor Marigold. I feel so bad for her even though I knew it was sort of inevitable.
You know, Sven plays WoW...
What!? It might happen. She helps him Level; He helps her unlock some real life achievements.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who at some point thought Sven+Marigold. Although that came more out of "Huh, which of Jeph's characters isn't hooked up with someone currently?" logic. (Cause come on, a lot of romance based stories end up throwing in extra people so no one is left out in the cold (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CleaningUpRomanticLooseEnds), and pairing up people randomly just cause they're the odd ones out! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PairTheSpares))
When Marigold was first introduced I really thought she and Angus were related somehow, like cousins or something. He treats her like a little sister. This is about the outcome I expected. Jeph knows his characters well.
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Uncalled for, Momo. Would you rather he lied to Marigold?
YES!!!!!!! Play along, let her down easy, have some shred of compassion, you know how fragile she is........
No. Never. Stupidest. Move. EVER.
I think these answer this the best:
Playing along really would be betraying her trust.
I think betrayal of her trust would have been sleeping with her then rejecting her the next morning. What he did is precisely the white knight type of thing to do. Just because your the white knight doesnt mean your every girl's knight in shining armor, to come galloping in and sweep them off their feet. He was open and honest on how he felt there relationship is. The truth sometimes hurt. But marigold needs to learn from this and start branching out. She kind of attached herself to the only single guy she knows. not to get all nautical and cheesy but there are plenty of other fish in the sea.
And I think this:
Angus could have been much gentler with her. He could've easily made a BS excuse (not a lie), about the fact that his judgement is impaired and that they should slow it down for the moment. Something like that. Its like telling a person that one of their loved ones died by just saying "Your (i.e.)brother died" instead of leading them up to it....But I digress. He still should've eased Marigold into that.
Is best answered by this:
There was no posible way for Angus to spare Marigolds feelings that she would not have been able to misinterpret.
He told her, honestly and directly, the truth, even if it might have hurt her feelings......My point is, Angus wouldn't be doing Marigold any favors by not letting her off the hook right away. If he had rebuffed her advances with an excuse like "we're too drunk" or something, Marigold may have thought that she still had a chance under other circumstances.
In other words, Angus is human. He has just been startled out of a drunken state with a kiss from a girl he only wants to be friends with. The girl is drunk, and at first not listening to him anyway ("I think we're more than that...") He reacted pretty well, I thought. He didn't make any thoughtless comments like he has in the past. Sure, he doesn't want to hurt her feelings, but if it's something he doesn't want, he absolutely needs to let her know up front. Anything else could be considered leading her on. And that would most likely give people here even more fodder to dislike him. I think his reaction is the best it could possibly be, given the circumstances.
(Also, by treating Marigold as "fragile", as if she were made of glass, she will never learn to toughen her skin a bit, and to understand that sometimes things in life happen that are not what you want, but you still have to find a way to cope with them. Sheltering a person is only detrimental to the person in the end.)
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
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Is the art slightly different?
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
The only good anime is the anime involving warfare, giant robots and acts of genocide that end with the death of the entire cast of characters (and Hellsing Ultimate, aka "The Happiest Anime Ever Made" due to all the smiling).
Or, you know, stuff like Legend of Galactic Heroes. But anime where the romance is the sole plot point is pretty idiotic and embarrassing, regardless of the sexuality involved.
EDIT: Romance anime are like the American Soap Operas of television programming. They suck. Period.
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MOMO is pissed because she didn't get to take part in the action
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Right now I can only see one person that can be helpful to Marigold, and that would be Hanners.
Why not Dora? She's compassionate, has been good to Marigold except for that one outburst, and is older so Marigold may consider her wiser.
But it's arguable that as an AI she's simply following the dictates of her programming, namely supporting her owner first and foremost, and therefore isn't doing anything "wrong" as such. What do you all think?
That would make sense, but the other AnthroPCs don't react that way. I can't think of Winslow taking Hannelore's side in anything, and Pintsize ...
I think on Momo's level, having the software she does, she knew how he COULD have handled things, were he capable of knowing the perfect reaction in every social situation, be it awkward, strangely romantic, or just plain uncomfortable. To her, it might be obvious
This is the best explanation I've seen. Her social protocol database must feel like second nature to her.
Marigold is doing absolutely nothing that without it being forced upon her by some of the other characters. No "growth" or branching out without somebody else dragging her along for the ride.
She did go to the coffee shop on her own initiative, and invited herself to share the bourbon. For sure nobody dragged her into climbing onto Angus.
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He posts the comic and we get 4 panels of AnthroPC orgy. "April Fool's, dear readers. Hahalhbgahgbaahgbalhabg"
Oh man, i would have so loved that.
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
The difference here is that of genders, I suspect.
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This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
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Right now I can only see one person that can be helpful to Marigold, and that would be Hanners.
Why not Dora? She's compassionate, has been good to Marigold except for that one outburst, and is older so Marigold may consider her wiser.
true but hanners is her bestest friend. though hanners may end up taking her to dora for advice...or faye
as far as momo is concerned, i think she was just really hopeful that marigold got a boyfriend and became more social, and then angus rejected her thus undoing all the socializing she has helped marigold with as marigold boards herself in.
and I think if anything winslow would defend hanners at all cost. he was quite offended when the roomba called her "his woman" and not winslows woman. Not to mention he is so insecure about being replaced.
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... But anime where the romance is the sole plot point is pretty idiotic and embarrassing, regardless of the sexuality involved.
EDIT: Romance anime are like the American Soap Operas of television programming. They suck. Period.
OK, why are you reading this comic again? 'Cause if it isn't for the soap-ish plot line, it must be for anthro-PC hijinx and the one-liners, and there aren't enough of those to go around...
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This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
I started reading this and my skin was crawling - and I'm a guy! Feminists really reason this way now? What the fuck happened in the last 30 years?
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This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
I started reading this and my skin was crawling - and I'm a guy! Feminists really reason this way now? What the fuck happened in the last 30 years?
At least we see that Angus has standards. Today's comic has made me so happy. :-D
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OK, 3 minutes in the penalty box for unnecessary cruelty.
:police:
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This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
Wait, I thought the crazed feminist idea was that all sex was rape, no matter how consensual. Are they branching out into multiple crazed sects?
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... But anime where the romance is the sole plot point is pretty idiotic and embarrassing, regardless of the sexuality involved.
EDIT: Romance anime are like the American Soap Operas of television programming. They suck. Period.
OK, why are you reading this comic again? 'Cause if it isn't for the soap-ish plot line, it must be for anthro-PC hijinx and the one-liners, and there aren't enough of those to go around...
Jeph's progression in the Art department, guest comics that make fun of the rest of the soap-opera stuff.
On a side-note, Jeph forgot the "Rosebud is a sled" spoiler in his series of spoilers that someone linked.
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
"Yaoi is an acronym created in the dōjinshi market of the late 1970s by Yasuko Sakata and Akiko Hatsu[5] and popularized in the 1980s[6] standing for Yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi (ヤマなし、オチなし、意味なし?) "No climax, no point, no meaning"."
I don't post here often, but I figured you might want to know that.
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OK, why are you reading this comic again? 'Cause if it isn't for the soap-ish plot line, it must be for anthro-PC hijinx and the one-liners, and there aren't enough of those to go around...
Its cutting commentary on indie rock music and culture.
This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
Wait, I thought the crazed feminist idea was that all sex was rape, no matter how consensual. Are they branching out into multiple crazed sects?
Classy.
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OK, why are you reading this comic again? 'Cause if it isn't for the soap-ish plot line, it must be for anthro-PC hijinx and the one-liners, and there aren't enough of those to go around...
Its cutting commentary on indie rock music and culture.
When was the last time that made it into a strip?
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Well done strip. Nice to see that Angus was able to set Marigold straight despite only just having had his boozles popped. I don't think he was too harsh -- Marigold's smooch was abrupt, and so was his response. At least he was honest and didn't lead her on. It seems pretty clear that they will both be torturing themselves over this tomorrow, and probably for awhile. Hopefully they'll get past it and be able to remain friends.
I kinda can't believe no one's pointed this out yet, but in panel one, Marigold seems to be holding Angus' hand right against her breast. O_o Even if she remembers most of the rest of what happened, maybe she'll forget that part.
And I know everyone's pointed it out already, but I loved that Momo is getting to use her digits. And hey, she didn't zap Angus, so as reactions go, flipping him off isn't too bad.
It'll be interesting to see if Angus heads to CoD for hangover relief tomorrow, or if he opts for the hair o' the dog approach and ends up talking to Wil . . . and Sven. I don't see Marigold going to Dora or Faye for advice since Angus was pretty clear on why he goes to the coffee shop, but Hanners is a possibility. I do anticipate some AnthoPC hijinks soon though.
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http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg)
Add the last two panels, and this will shine.
Angus says the right thing - "you're WONDERFUL" - but just look at her body language in the 4th and 5th panels. She has suddenly realized that all the emotions she was feeling, she was also projecting onto Angus. She suddenly realized that she was mistaken.
And that's why she runs off, upset not with Angus (or she would yell at him, "I'm not good enough?"), but rather upset with herself, her own naivete, running from an embarassing moment as we all have at some point.
I concur. Marigold strikes me as being good at replaying her own mistakes, even though I don't know we've much evidence for it. Now she has something to really beat the hell out of herself about. This may be test time—will she come out again, or hide forever?
Right now I can only see one person that can be helpful to Marigold, and that would be Hanners.
Why not Dora? She's compassionate, has been good to Marigold except for that one outburst, and is older so Marigold may consider her wiser.
My first reaction is to snark at the idea of Hannelore helping anyone deal with relationship problems. My second is, maybe not that, but the optimism wouldn't hurt. But I agree with Cold: the woman for the job is Dora—knows rejection, knows insecurity, and is nice, whatever her detractors say. However, I just had a third notion—will Faye try to help Marigold get over this? Stranger things have happened.
But first, Marigold's got to open the door, at least to let someone in.
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The first one in will be Angus. He's closest, and enough of a "good guy" (take that as you will) to try and help someone who's hurting, especially if he considers himself guilty of causing the pain.
And Marigold may not let him in, but he's a persistant little bugger. He'll talk her ear off through the door for a panel or two (next time we see them, which may not be tomorrow, knowing how Jeph likes to work).
You heard it here first!
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Wonder if Mari will be so mortified by all this that she'll actually move out? At the very least she'll probably shut herself away until Angus or one of the ladies pulls her out, kicking and screaming, into the sunlight.
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Wonder if Mari will be so mortified by all this that she'll actually move out? At the very least she'll probably shut herself away until Angus or one of the ladies pulls her out, kicking and screaming, into the sunlight.
Moving out would be awesomeeeee. Also I love that she has a gut in panel 1. Thank god Jeph is getting more realistic about her.
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Well, she'll still need a roommate. Too bad there's absolutely, positively no one else without a roomie in our current cast of characters, eh?
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What Marigold really needs is some 100% Angus beef.
What I'm saying is he should have given her a good hard dicking. You gotta use girls like Marigold as slump-busters.
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In all honesty, I'm pretty glad that this is how things worked out with Mari and Angus. I like Mari as a person but the way she acts around Angus bugs me. I can be shy around guys and what not but she was just annoying to me. Yeah I get she's shy she's clumsy and she's nervous (etc etc) but she was also needy, naive...To me there's a difference between going after what you want, and assuming that what you want is something you already have.
I like Angus and I love Faye I liked where their little friendship was going and I felt that the Mari love triangle insert was distracting.....just me though
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
"Yaoi is an acronym created in the dōjinshi market of the late 1970s by Yasuko Sakata and Akiko Hatsu[5] and popularized in the 1980s[6] standing for Yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi (ヤマなし、オチなし、意味なし?) "No climax, no point, no meaning"."
I don't post here often, but I figured you might want to know that.
Yeah, and everybody knows that of course and uses it with that meaning.
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horrifyingly embarassing shit like "yaoi"
Yeah, um, have you made any effort to watch (or read) any decent yaoi? Amazingly, stories that have to do with male-male romance can be as varied, and have as much ground for being decent entertainment, as stories dealing with male-female romance. Just because the couple at the center is made up of two guys rather than a guy and a girl, doesn't automatically somehow make it either "horrifying" or "embarrassing" or bad entertainment.
"Yaoi is an acronym created in the dōjinshi market of the late 1970s by Yasuko Sakata and Akiko Hatsu[5] and popularized in the 1980s[6] standing for Yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi (ヤマなし、オチなし、意味なし?) "No climax, no point, no meaning"."
I don't post here often, but I figured you might want to know that.
Yeah, and everybody knows that of course and uses it with that meaning.
Actually we all do. We were gonna tell you, but it was funnier not to.
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Years and years back, a similar situation happened to me. Too much liquor, and a woman I thought was just a friend got me in a lip lock that was totally unexpected and unwanted. I handled the situation better than Angus did: I pretended to fall asleep from the booze, and she bought it and gave up. The next morning she never mentioned it, and we stayed friends. It wasn't so much thinking quickly on my part as it was, well, kind of acting like a possum.
But I was a lot drunker than Angus.
This will sort itself out, I think. Faye ex machina.
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An important aspect of The Woobie is that their suffering must have its genesis in external sources: a character, however sympathetically portrayed, who suffers as the result of their own actions is a Tragic Hero and does not qualify.
Marigold tests this claim. She's not a Tragic Hero, but she is the sort that people identify with and want to protect to make up for all the times they couldn't protect themselves. In other words, a Woobie (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWoobie).
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Let the Woobie win.
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http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg)
Add the last two panels, and this will shine.
What if I add those panels and replace another panel with one from the previous comic?
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/angusyoumonster.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/angusyoumonster.jpg)
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*sniff, sniff* I do believe I smell a troll in board. :roll:
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So now fart jokes = trolling?
Come on, some humor is just gassy classic!
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Since when do fart jokes qualify as humor?
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I think the nerd deserved some action.
I bet she ends up using Momo as a vibrator.
Pintsize explodes in jealousy.
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So now fart jokes = trolling?
Come on, some humor is just gassy classic!
No, wasn't referring to you. I just rather not give out names. :lol:
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Wait..oh how clever. I see what you did there. XD
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Faye helping her out would be major character development for Faye. I question whether she's that far along in her progress.
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The problem with the idea of Faye helping Marigold out is that she's Marigold's "rival", kinda. Angus' heart is set on Faye, so to say, and Faye knows it. Talking Marigold out of her shitty set of mind would require from Faye either some sneaky double-talk that I think is below her, or being straight and blunt about the situation, and I think even Faye is aware Marigold isn't relationally mature enough to take it well.
Someone mentionned Dora as a possible helper, instead of my idea involving Hanners. I overlooked that. When she's not flipping out in her own insecurities, Dora is indeed quite able to put some sense in people around her.
But I still prefer my idea about Hanners. Just imagine that: Marigold hurling herself in tears in Hanner's arms, and Hanner's being all "Oh shit I can't reject her she's my friend and she's already feeling rejected I can't react as usual I can't flip out I must stay strong I must stay calm she needs my help!" That would be epic, heroic.
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I know what will make her feel better.
YAOI PARTY!!!!
So yes, Hanners is the one to go to.
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Since when do fart jokes qualify as humor?
Probably since the first (human) fart.
Dogs only look like they're laughing.
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http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg (http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/The_Ells/broodaxqc.jpg)
Eww.
So, on my 3 hour drive this morning, I've been thinking...
The sympathy for Marigold (and the constant chant of the "Angus is an ass" crowd) is coming from one place - within.
Angus says the right thing - "you're WONDERFUL" - but just look at her body language in the 4th and 5th panels. She has suddenly realized that all the emotions she was feeling, she was also projecting onto Angus. She suddenly realized that she was mistaken.
And that's why she runs off, upset not with Angus (or she would yell at him, "I'm not good enough?"), but rather upset with herself, her own naivete, running from an embarassing moment as we all have at some point.
And that's what I love about this comic. Jeph manages to tap into the universal emotions. Some of us in the forum are old/experienced enough to see what's going on, others are connecting with Marigold on a more visceral/personal level (and may well blame Angus) from more recent experiences, but both happen because weall know this emotion, we all have done this (or something pretty damn close), and we all can never get over it completely. Time may heal all wounds, but it doesn't erase the scars.
I agree with this entirely. Angus' words are absolutely the right thing to say. There's too much bullshit in romance these days.
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The only good anime is the anime involving warfare, giant robots and acts of genocide that end with the death of the entire cast of characters (and Hellsing Ultimate, aka "The Happiest Anime Ever Made" due to all the smiling).
Or, you know, stuff like Legend of Galactic Heroes. But anime where the romance is the sole plot point is pretty idiotic and embarrassing, regardless of the sexuality involved.
Ah, ok. You're one of those people who has very narrow stipulations on what you consider "good" and are comfortable dismissing entire genres that don't cater directly to your tastes as "idiotic." You also, however, appear to be somewhat bigoted since you didn't think to include "romance" anime in your initial post, but went straight (hurr hurr) to singling out yaoi.
"Yaoi is an acronym created in the dōjinshi market of the late 1970s by Yasuko Sakata and Akiko Hatsu[5] and popularized in the 1980s[6] standing for Yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi (ヤマなし、オチなし、意味なし?) "No climax, no point, no meaning"."
I don't post here often, but I figured you might want to know that.
O mai god, no, I totally didn't know that! As someone posting to defend (some) yaoi I of course have no idea of its origins or anything about it really! And I'm sure Odin was referring specifically and only to gag doujinshi, because clearly the term and what it's used for has not changed at all since the 70s, because words never change their meaning.
When he disparaged "romance" anime, Odin was of course also actually talking about anime based on Arthurian legends. Those damn knights, they never make for good viewing!
This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
I started reading this and my skin was crawling - and I'm a guy! Feminists really reason this way now? What the fuck happened in the last 30 years?
No, feminists do NOT reason this way now or ever. But if you're curious about what feminists think, how about you do some reading on it (and not just on internet fora, but through actual published journals or books)? I know it's easier finding some totally unfounded and outrageous claims on the internet by someone clearly very confused as to what feminism is, and then getting smugly righteously horrified about them, but the other way hey--you may learn something!
Wait, I thought the crazed feminist idea was that all sex was rape, no matter how consensual. Are they branching out into multiple crazed sects?
That was a section of feminist thought in the 70s (which, although I never remotely agreed with it, had more cultural context than you're recognizing), and is not exactly current now. Modern feminism is generally (gasp!) sex-positive.
If you want to see what general modern feminist thought looks like, hit the back button to QC main and reread the archives. From everything he's revealed in the comic and on his livejournal, Jeph is pretty much a feminist.
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I started reading this and my skin was crawling - and I'm a guy! Feminists really reason this way now? What the fuck happened in the last 30 years?
No.
This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
What the fuck are you on? There are some seriously bitter extremists but trying to claim that is remotely feminist is ridiculous. I mean, you read a few rad fem blogs are you'll hurt your brain with the crazy, but the above is not common fare!
All heterosexual sex has fucked power dynamics (not "is rape", even the most extreme do not go quite that far) and thus women should stop having sex with men - sure, that's certainly out there. Men expecting physical closeness in a relationship even though they're willing to go without sex are being controlling? Sure, I've read that bullshit recently.
But you just pulled that out of your arse.
And mainstream feminism has exactly nothing to do with women having more rights than men: anyone claiming otherwise doesn't have a fucking clue. :x
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This is disgusting. There is no excuse for a man to spurn a woman who offers her body freely. Denial = abuse, period.
...okay, I can't type that garbage anymore, and I need to stop reading feminist fora.
I started reading this and my skin was crawling - and I'm a guy! Feminists really reason this way now? What the fuck happened in the last 30 years?
No, feminists do NOT reason this way now or ever. But if you're curious about what feminists think, how about you do some reading on it (and not just on internet fora, but through actual published journals or books)?
Well, that's a relief! I wouldn't mind reading up on recent feminist thought, I haven't read any since the 70's. Partly from a lack of interest, mostly from lack of time.
After all, I keep on reading webcomics and posting on forums...
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I have to say, this comic hit me hard. I've heard that term so many times - "You're so great, you're amazing, but we're just friends". It will frustrate and sadden you to no end when you finally come to terms that they've either lied and aren't interested in you, or are afraid of ruining a good friendship. It's a total downer.
Both of your proposed realities behind "We're just good friends" are, for the most part, absolute bullshit. Let's deal with them in turn:
1) In what way does that phrase suggest any kind of romantic interest? You can think that someone is amazing or great without having any romantic feelings for them whatsoever. My closest female friend is both of these things and more, I love her to bits, but in no way do I want a romantic relationship and/or sex with her; our relationship just doesn't have that dynamic. The fact that we're both in happy relationships is a moot point, as far as I'm concerned.
2) Suggesting that you've been rejected purely out of fear of ruining a friendship is an oversimplification. It's a matter of benefit vs. risk. If you don't have any strong romantic feelings for one of your friends, then you may think that the friendship is too precious for an unlikely chance of relationship success. Conversely, if you go on a date with a stranger and aren't that keen on them, you have little to lose by giving it a try, because there's no friendship at stake. Obviously, the best option is that you know them well enough as a person and that you have romantic feelings for them.
I can't stand the notion that a relationship is the ultimate form of friendship. Unless there's mutual attraction, it's going to be a pretty crappy relationship no matter how good the friendship is.
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So now that Marigold and Angus are done I can make my move on Marigold... *creepy eyebrow*
*is shot by forum members and corpse IP banned*
Ahem. Now that I got that over and done with I shall destroy the plot arc by TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!
Marigold moves out and moves in with Sarah and Raven (*), Faye... in some leap of stupid-logic moves out of the Martin-Dora Sex Pony Stables and shacks up with Angus.
MUAHAHAHA! *is shot again and re-banned*
Ow. :x
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...Marigold moves out and moves in with Sarah and Raven ...
Wait, Marigold's going to move into an allosaurus? And I thought Raven was in grad school? :?
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My favorite ever explanation of feminism: Yes, You Are (http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/).
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There is no way that Angus could have gooten out of that situation without hurting Marigold either right then, or down the road. His reaction was honest, and any other would have been a disservice to his friend.
And Raoul - I've never mentioned this before, but I've hated that particular song since it debuted, and if you keep it up I may have to indulge in some violence.
Well, sometimes I feel I have to RUN AWAY, I've got to GET AWAY...
(Song was a hit when I was in high school, sue me)
Same here, but in this case violence is much more likely to yield the results I want. I could get the judgement, its the enforcement that would be challenging.
...and you missed the fact that I was quoting the song?
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I have to say, this comic hit me hard. I've heard that term so many times - "You're so great, you're amazing, but we're just friends". It will frustrate and sadden you to no end when you finally come to terms that they've either lied and aren't interested in you, or are afraid of ruining a good friendship. It's a total downer.
Both of your proposed realities behind "We're just good friends" are, for the most part, absolute bullshit. Let's deal with them in turn:
1) In what way does that phrase suggest any kind of romantic interest? You can think that someone is amazing or great without having any romantic feelings for them whatsoever. My closest female friend is both of these things and more, I love her to bits, but in no way do I want a romantic relationship and/or sex with her; our relationship just doesn't have that dynamic. The fact that we're both in happy relationships is a moot point, as far as I'm concerned.
2) Suggesting that you've been rejected purely out of fear of ruining a friendship is an oversimplification. It's a matter of benefit vs. risk. If you don't have any strong romantic feelings for one of your friends, then you may think that the friendship is too precious for an unlikely chance of relationship success. Conversely, if you go on a date with a stranger and aren't that keen on them, you have little to lose by giving it a try, because there's no friendship at stake. Obviously, the best option is that you know them well enough as a person and that you have romantic feelings for them.
I can't stand the notion that a relationship is the ultimate form of friendship. Unless there's mutual attraction, it's going to be a pretty crappy relationship no matter how good the friendship is.
The only way I can glean any sense out of it is if "lied" is used in a very liberal context to mean that one party lied to the other with body language or talk that could be interpreted as flirting. Otherwise no one ever rejects anyone simply because they are genuinely not interested, and THAT WOULD BE A WORLD GONE TOPSY TURVY.
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awww.. i really liked marigold and angus to be together. but yea, marigold just started crushing on him, ever since he called her cute. angus and faye are a lot a like. but angus is one of those "nice guys". so i still prefer him to be with marigold. i hope jeff does something to help them be together, or at least have something really good happen. faye, i still liked her with sven. like i know he did a bad thing to faye, but its also faye's fault for not being committed, when sven actually wanted to be with her. i miss sven, haven't seen him in awhile =(
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The only way I can glean any sense out of it is if "lied" is used in a very liberal context to mean that one party lied to the other with body language or talk that could be interpreted as flirting. Otherwise no one ever rejects anyone simply because they are genuinely not interested, and THAT WOULD BE A WORLD GONE TOPSY TURVY.
Yeah, either that or the other party misinterpreted completely innocent gestures, or else ridiculously overanalysed the small things at the expense of the big picture. Or perhaps a combination of the two. Sometimes people not used to certain types of friendliness/banter (e.g. expressing extreme interest, playful teasing) can misinterpret someone's personality as being flirty when it's just how they are.
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God damn it. Not the way I wanted this to go. :-(
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No, but it was the expected outcome.
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I had a QC pool going with a friend. I thought they'd end up fuckenly drunking. Guess I owe my friend a beer.
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I had something similar like this happened to me. A girl who was talking to me (a cousin of a classmate) kissed me out of the blue. I did what felt right and told her that I didn't feel anything for her, otherwise it would feel like taking advantage. It wasn't a friend of me this time, as I experienced best friends that become lovers usually end bad.
Momo's finger reminds me of this: http://abstrusegoose.com/234
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What the fuck are you on? There are some seriously bitter extremists but trying to claim that is remotely feminist is ridiculous. I mean, you read a few rad fem blogs are you'll hurt your brain with the crazy, but the above is not common fare!
All heterosexual sex has fucked power dynamics (not "is rape", even the most extreme do not go quite that far) and thus women should stop having sex with men - sure, that's certainly out there. Men expecting physical closeness in a relationship even though they're willing to go without sex are being controlling? Sure, I've read that bullshit recently.
But you just pulled that out of your arse.
And mainstream feminism has exactly nothing to do with women having more rights than men: anyone claiming otherwise doesn't have a fucking clue. :x
THANK you. I agree with you that the positions you exemplified above do exist and are kind of scary bs, but at least they're extreme derivations of ideas that make sense in a less Swiftian context. The stuff initially written as an example of "feminism"? Just complete batshit craziness not having anything to do with anything, really.
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Maybe this belongs in Discuss, but MacKinnon and Dworkin are close enough to the mainstream to get their ideas into legislation.
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No, but it was the expected outcome.
Expected, yes. Liked, hardly. If he had gone to bed with her, he most likely would feel even worse.
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I love this type of story arc precisely because it makes forum lurking just a little more interesting.
I'm still hoping for a Marigold and Sven awkward romance, but that's just because I think it would be sort of hilarious. Just the thought of a heartbroken over Faye, Sven deciding to try his hand at some internet romance with a guild mate. HAH!
Also, poor Angus too. I've had to do that sort of thing a time or two before, it's never a nice feeling to hurt someone you care for.
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Doing the right thing is rarely easy.
Doing the right thing is sometimes unpopular.
Doing the right thing is not usually fun.
Even knowing what's the right thing to do can be a problem.
But it's the right thing to do.
And I admire Angus even more for having that much backbone.
BTW, doesn't Momo only have 4 fingers? Which one is the middle one?
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Unless I'm completely misreading the population of this message board and the majority of you people are World of Warcraft/animu-nerds.
Unlurked to say it seemed like some people might be misreading this... Odin was saying he (she?) doesn't think everyone on the boards are WoW nerds.
(Just sayin')
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Y'all need to fan the flames of this misandry-fest just a wee bit higher, I'm about to cum.
I'm _still_ hoping it's rape-o-clock, though.
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If Marigold could see this, she'd probably say "Not cool! Not funny! Not a good comic!"
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(I wonder if anyone will get that) ;)
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Marigold did it wrong anyway. She's supposed to get too drunk, almost kiss him, then fall unconscious in his lap and vomit.
BTW, doesn't Momo only have 4 fingers? Which one is the middle one?
The middle of the three that aren't her thumb, I guess. :|
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I predict this WCT thread will break 15 pages by Friday at the rate this is going.
*continues to wait for update*
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That really depends on how much drama Jeph has planned for the rest of the week, but if it keeps up at this rate, 15 pages wouldn't surprise me.
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I wonder what Faye has in store for (F)Angus.
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Lets see, what would be the best course of action. Go to try to console marigold (probably not the best time) or try to go to bed (and lock the door in case momo shows up with a knife). :|
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That depends greatly on whether Marigold ran into her room and slammed the door, or ran aimlessly into the night.
By the way, wonder what's going on with Steve and What's-her-name with the cervical collar?
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[...] angus is one of those "nice guys". [...]
... what ???
Marten is a nice guy.
Angus is a bit nicer than Steve and certainly nicer than Sven (thats not a hard one), but doesnt qualify for "nice".
And about a good match for Faye, there is none in the Comic yet.
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If Marigold hasn't gone flying outta the house and run all the way to Casa Del MarDorFaye. I daresay he may attempt to try and talk to her after giving her a few moments to calm down.
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I am liking this conversation between these two. :)
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This was just baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. I still feel bad for Marigold though. Maybe Hanners can come over and cheer her up?
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Angus still needs to talk to her - If she doesn't do a 'Release the Hounds' and set Momo on him first.
Might be a good idea to have Hanners around ............ or not.
Is this the beginning of Fangus?
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Wow I like where this is going too. An I also had a feeling she put his hand on her bewb.
Cant wait for tomorrow!
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Because someone has to make the obvious reference about Jeph's comment under the strip:
"What sayest ye, Faye and Angus?"
"Words, words, words."
With that out of the way...I'm glad Faye's being supportive and not all "Grgh how could you."
Also, with Marten taken (you had your chance, Faye) and Sven not prepared to give her the exclusivity she wants, I hope Faye finds a man. It may be Angus; it may be not, but I hope she finds one.
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How many people don't think Faye likes Angus?
And even Faye is willing to call him a good guy. I honestly don't see why so many people hate him.
You know, besides the whole "SVENANDFAYEAREMEANTTOBETOGETHERFOREVER " thing. :roll:
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Ze plot, zshe thickens....
Faye puts her arm around Angus while simultaneously saying nice things about him?!
At this rate, they should be doin' the nasty in time for the 2016 Presidential Election.
You, know, two or three days in QC time.
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Ze plot, zshe thickens....
Faye puts her arm around Angus while simultaneously saying nice things about him?!
At this rate, they should be doin' the nasty in time for the 2016 Presidential Election.
You, know, two or three centuries in QC time.
fixed
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Also, 2nd page of WCT an hour after Monday's comic was posted, when was the last time that happened?
I _think_ the faye-sven arc beat that, many times over... ah, good times.
Don't forget the Marten-Dora arc! That was simply EPIC.
My first reaction is to snark at the idea of Hannelore helping anyone deal with relationship problems.
Hanners totally helped Marten and Steve!
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1103
By the way, wonder what's going on with Steve and What's-her-name with the cervical collar?
My first thought when I read that was, "Who the f*** would put a collar on their cervix??"
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Different cervix.
Cervix is doctor talk for 'neck.' When doctors talk about a lady's cervix, it is refering to the neck of her uterus.
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While I was all for Faye+Sven, Fangus is looking pretty good too. They're very cute together :) I think both guys match her wit well, but Angus seems to be the less drama/stressful choice for Faye.
BTW: I think Angus did his best in the situation he found himself in.
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Marigold did it wrong anyway. She's supposed to get too drunk, almost kiss him, then fall unconscious in his lap and vomit.
But Faye abandoned Marigold instead of passing along her wisdom.
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Since when do fart jokes qualify as humor?
In English, at least since "The Canterbury Tales". And 西游记 or "Journey To The West" is full of them (lots of poop and pee jokes too). Jokes like that are popular because they draw from our consciousness of being ridiculous bags of goop, staggering around bashing our shins, and catching our fingers in the machinery. Jeph plainly understands this.
Marigold did it wrong anyway. She's supposed to get too drunk, almost kiss him, then fall unconscious in his lap and vomit.
Don't forget the head-butt to the man-bits.
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I hope I see where this is going.
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But it's the right thing to do.
Sigh. :-( That phrase has been ruined forever due to its endless repetition by my country's batshit-insane Prime Minister.
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Y'all need to fan the flames of this misandry-fest just a wee bit higher, I'm about to cum.
No.
I'm _still_ hoping it's rape-o-clock, though.
According to the last stats I looked up on the subject, somewhere in the US it is pretty much always rape-o-clock at any given moment for at least three people (not always in the same place).
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It was the right reaction - the reaction to having your hand placed on boob of an unrelated female for a hetromale will normally be "Hey. bewb."
It's doing the right thing after being tempted that makes you a decent human being. Now Faye needs to go to Mar and try and talk her down - she may just surprise us yet.
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I'm a little disappointed Angus didn't go straight to Marigold, but rather went out wandering in the night. I don't like the idea that he left her alone in her pain.
Of course, maybe it was to finish sobering up - that first stagger when he got up probably convinced him that they both needed to sober up before talking. And crying is exhausting, Matigold's probably going to pass out before she can talk.
I didn't read Angus' hand on Mari's boob, I thought she was just holding his arm, going in for another kiss as he started to freak. But it's not surprising she'd move so fast, she was pretty overeager! Once you make a decision like that, frenzies can occur.
On another note, an arm around Angus! And it doesn't have a fist!
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Yayyyy!
This comic left me feeling warm and happy. :)
(And I thought that was her introducing his palm to her breast, but from the angle, I just couldn't be sure!)
I do wonder how Marigold's going to resolve this on her end... Angus&Faye seem to be doing fairly well, but Mar's hurt, and it's possible that neither Dora nor Hanners could help her... perhaps a combination of both. I personally would not want to be comforted by someone who is in a happy, stable, loving relationship like Dora, but I wouldn't want to be told it's alright by someone as unable to handle the idea of a relationship like Hanners. In my mind, the best person to cheer her up would have been Raven. I don't know how it would work, but somehow my mind has made some sort of sense of it. o_O
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I'm a little disappointed Angus didn't go straight to Marigold, but rather went out wandering in the night. I don't like the idea that he left her alone in her pain.
No guy, no matter how sensitive and well-intentioned, is capable of saying the right thing to a female in her current emotional condition. Nor is she in any state to listen to anything a guy has to say to her. She needs some time.
And she's not completely alone, Momo is there to protect her.
I expect one 9or more) of the female characters will show up to help her out (whether she wants it or not, she needs it).
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Yayyyy!
This comic left me feeling warm and happy. :)
Yeah, that pretty much sums it up for me (:
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That depends greatly on whether Marigold ran into her room and slammed the door, or ran aimlessly into the night.
By the way, wonder what's going on with Steve and What's-her-name with the cervical collar?
Cosette. I think she's still in the hospital, since their date was only a few days ago ICT.
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Wow I like where this is going too. An I also had a feeling she put his hand on her bewb.
Cant wait for tomorrow!
I actually had to look back at 1631 - first panel.
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If Marigold could see this, she'd probably say "Not cool! Not funny! Not a good comic!"
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(I wonder if anyone will get that) ;)
Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
Also, firefly. Faye is quoting firefly. She just needs to end it with a 'well, you're okay' and she is taking off the swordfight scene in Episode 4, 'Shindig'.
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
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The "not cool!" thing is an annoying trope in every. damned. XKCD. comment thread.
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Oh, I stay away from those. I'm just in it for the comics.
See, I get the humor, 'cause Randy's in my head...
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I'm a little disappointed Angus didn't go straight to Marigold, but rather went out wandering in the night. I don't like the idea that he left her alone in her pain.
Angus has the same problem I would—would talking to Marigold make things worse, or better? And, given he's already blaming himself, could he stand himself if he made it worse? Marigold already heard what Angus had to say, really all he can say, and I don't think there's much to add at this point(and as someone who once had* a ferocious 'fixit' complex, I can tell you that you can very easily make things worse by nattering on, no matter how good your intentions). Given Angus's track record of saying the wrong thing (and being aware of it, remember the Faye-Dad thing), I can understand him quitting while he's behind. Not to mention I suspect he's still in shock over the whole thing—I don't think Angus has women crawling on him all the time—could be a bit unnerving.
Got to give points to Angus for being up-front about the whole thing with Faye—no evasions, no protests of 'it didn't mean anything,' just the facts—some guys angling for a girl would be tempted to spin things a wee bit, at least. And a few to Faye for acting like a human being instead of a weird combination of snapping turtle and jackrabbit**—she really needs to try to do that more.
And huge points to Jeph for working with a storyline that I'm near-positive makes him uncomfortable.
*I keep telling myself that.
**Yes, Wall Drug (http://www.walldrug.com/) gave us (or at least used to make a good living from) the jackalope—now I give you the snappenjack. Has the beak, has the shell, can bite your face, or run like hell.
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
Right here (http://www.goatkcd.com). :evil:
Fair warning, it's a bit NWS.
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...and as someone who once had* a ferocious 'fixit' complex, I can tell you that you can very easily make things worse by nattering on, no matter how good your intentions...
*I keep telling myself that.
Ah. Yes. Nailed it in one. My most annoying trait.
Fortunately, I'm a university professor, so most people assume the incessant nattering is part of the job...
My family knows better. :|
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If you reject someone's advances, you are NOT the right person to console them.
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Wow, a whole bunch of you seem to want someone to go 'rescue' Marigold by talking to her/calming her down. I'd say she's pretty much inconsolable at this point, but she will heal. People acting overprotective of her is likely contributing to her naivete, though, so rushing in to console her won't necessarily help. She's gonna wanna talk to someone about this eventually -- the reason I'm guessing it'll be Hanners is because she's friends with Hanners and she will be looking for comfort rather than advice. No doubt Dora could give better relationship advice than Hanners, but Marigold doesn't know her as well. Angus and Marigold will talk again, hopefully when they're both completely sober, and eventually they may be able to be friends again, but much of that will depend on Marigold's feelings. I do think, given her associations with it now, that Marigold will be avoiding bourbon for awhile.
Faye seemed to be walking the streets to clear her head, so I don't know if she was actually heading back to Angus and Marigold's apartment or not -- she wasn't rushing anywhere, that's for sure (and wtf town do they live in where a woman can walk alone late at night without worrying about it? can I move there?). It's cool that she and Angus ran into each other and could talk -- they were even rational and honest! The fact that Faye was being sympathetic and even affectionate (helloooo physical contact) is a pretty clear signal that she likes him. Angus may be beating himself up for awhile over the whole Marigold thing, but at least he and Faye have sort of bonded over the awkwardness.
And yeah, I noticed the boobpalm in the previous comic right off (and mentioned it in my last post). I would say the 'omgboob' reaction is pretty standard among hetero males. ^_^
Random question: have we met the owner of the Linux-based AnthoPC with the "beard"? 'Cause if we have, I don't remember.
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I'm a little disappointed Angus didn't go straight to Marigold, but rather went out wandering in the night. I don't like the idea that he left her alone in her pain.
Angus has the same problem I would—would talking to Marigold make things worse, or better? And, given he's already blaming himself, could he stand himself if he made it worse? Marigold already heard what Angus had to say, really all he can say, and I don't think there's much to add at this point...
Angus needs to time to think, to reflect, to overanalyze. He needed some alone time, essentially, and he couldn't get that with Marigold crying apparently extremely loudly. I do agree with raoullefere - there's really nothing Angus can do or say for Marigold at this point that probably wouldn't make it worse - she needs some alone time too.
Unless Carl-E was getting at something like fear that Marigold would do something disasterous to herself that Angus could help prevent if only he were there...
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I don't think we have met the owner of PT410x. I would surely have remembered.
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
Right here (http://www.goatkcd.com). :evil:
Fair warning, it's a bit NWS.
I thought "XKCD? How can that be NSFW?" <click>
It's amazing what effect an unnoticed goat can have...
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If you reject someone's advances, you are NOT the right person to console them.
Amen to that.
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
Right here (http://www.goatkcd.com). :evil:
Fair warning, it's a bit NWS.
I thought "XKCD? How can that be NSFW?" <click>
It's amazing what effect an unnoticed goat can have...
I'm interested in seeing their counterpart to that specific XKCD comic, too, since they've supposedly worked that image into every single XKCD comic in one of the frames somewhere.
My time at SomethingAwful.com has made me immune to the horrors of the internet.
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In my mind, the best person to cheer her up would have been Raven. I don't know how it would work, but somehow my mind has made some sort of sense of it. o_O
I like that idea. Raven is sensitive to others' pain (516) and will try to help (1116). But would Raven really be able to relate to the idea of being that emotionally invested in pursuing one guy? Marigold might get treated to one of those useless speeches about other fish in the sea.
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wtf town do they live in where a woman can walk alone late at night without worrying about it? can I move there?
Northampton, MA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northampton,_Massachusetts
Some fun facts, according to wiki:
1. It is nicknamed The Paradise City.
2. Northampton has the most lesbian couples per capita of any city in the US.
3. It is home and host to the #1 ranked arts fair in America
Its crime rate is apparently not really too bad: http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Northampton&state=MA
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In my mind, the best person to cheer her up would have been Raven. I don't know how it would work, but somehow my mind has made some sort of sense of it. o_O
I like that idea. Raven is sensitive to others' pain (516) and will try to help (1116). But would Raven really be able to relate to the idea of being that emotionally invested in pursuing one guy? Marigold might get treated to one of those useless speeches about other fish in the sea.
http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/fishies.png (http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/fishies.png)
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
Right here (http://www.goatkcd.com). :evil:
Fair warning, it's a bit NWS.
I thought "XKCD? How can that be NSFW?" <click>
It's amazing what effect an unnoticed goat can have...
I'm interested in seeing their counterpart to that specific XKCD comic, too, since they've supposedly worked that image into every single XKCD comic in one of the frames somewhere.
My time at SomethingAwful.com has made me immune to the horrors of the internet.
Pintsize's twitter feed did that for me.
"If you don't get this one, don't Google it. (http://xkcd.com/318/)
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Everyone will get that, we all read XKCD too.
I read, but don't recall - a link, anyone?
Right here (http://www.goatkcd.com). :evil:
Fair warning, it's a bit NWS.
I thought "XKCD? How can that be NSFW?" <click>
It's amazing what effect an unnoticed goat can have...
I'm interested in seeing their counterpart to that specific XKCD comic, too, since they've supposedly worked that image into every single XKCD comic in one of the frames somewhere.
My time at SomethingAwful.com has made me immune to the horrors of the internet.
Pintsize's twitter feed did that for me.
"If you don't get this one, don't Google it. (http://xkcd.com/318/)
Hahahaha (http://goatkcd.com/318/sfw).
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See, I get the humor, 'cause Randy's in my head...
You have a bandicoot in your head? :-P
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Oh, that's the least of it...
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I wonder when we'll hear more from Randy. I love that little marsupial.
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Raven is sensitive to others' pain (516) and will try to help (1116). But would Raven really be able to relate to the idea of being that emotionally invested in pursuing one guy?
No
Marigold might get treated to one of those useless speeches about other fish in the sea.
Or, worse, the 'you just need to get laid' speech.
Northampton, MA.…is nicknamed The Paradise City.
So the grass is green and the girls are pretty?
Oh, that's the least of it...
I already resisted making a really halfwitted comment about JackFaerie's point number two, and now this. Please, I'm not that strong…
Edit: maybe even quarter-witted.
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Hmmm, maybe Raven would - or, in true form, perhaps she would have one of her "moments" and spout the exact perfect thing to say... even Momo's social protocol database would not have seen that as a viable option, and it would blow everyone's minds.
... or yeah. She could mention how Marigold just needs to get laid... and introduce the poor girl to Make-Out Hobo. She would introduce him to the wonders of WoW and he would educate her in the ways of sloppy makeouts.
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I'd be hoping that Jeph has given Marigold some measure of self respect to avoid the Make Out Hobo.
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I think the most important point is this: Will Jeph remember the throw away plot point that Angus got out of a terrible relationship recently? http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1363 . Also, he says 'room mates'; does this mean before Marigold, is he including Momo, or is it a plot hole?
I'll leave you with that, I have Simpson's Wikipedia articles to edit.
(I'm joking)
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Interesting point, no mention of it so far though. How much time has passed since then?
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Everyone knows Le Pétomane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane), right?
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(I'm sorry, I'm not trying to have a go, I just think it's really funny that fart jokes are almost universally hated by everyone that aren't fans of Larry the Cable Guy, and yet some of the most cherished intellectuals from before the birth of Christ until the present day make fart jokes regularly.)
Not trying to be too much of an ass, but Aristophanes predates he who sits on the right hand of Yahweh.
By a few hundred years if memory serves
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Mar's hurt, and it's possible that neither Dora nor Hanners could help her... perhaps a combination of both. I personally would not want to be comforted by someone who is in a happy, stable, loving relationship like Dora, but I wouldn't want to be told it's alright by someone as unable to handle the idea of a relationship like Hanners. In my mind, the best person to cheer her up would have been Raven. o_O
Yes, Raven, brilliant! Remember when she shows Faye her little book of guys? Show Marigold that fish-in-the-sea menu! :laugh:
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Everyone knows Le Pétomane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_P%C3%A9tomane), right?
Well, we do now!
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To be completely honest, I just miss Raven and her bubbly attitude (sucks when you are said to be "most like" a character who is taken out of the comic...) and think it would be hiiiighly amusing.
However, Angus does not say roommates, he says housemates. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that could likely be a huge difference - I know that my friends who are in college refer to suitemates as well as her roommate... so, my train of thought is going with the fact that Hanners is housemates with Marten, Faye, Dora, and... I'm assuming still Natasha, too... even though she has no roommates. Or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. Thoughts? :D
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When Marigold was introduced, she (and Momo) had "just moved in" around the corner from the Faye-Marten-Hanners building. Possibly Angus moved in with her at the same time ("she needed a roomate"), and before that had been splitting a house with some other people.
The lure of going from a houseful of people who celebrate your most recent breakup to a single apartment-sharer (with anti social tendencies) may have been attractive!
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Yeah, either that or the other party misinterpreted completely innocent gestures, or else ridiculously overanalysed the small things at the expense of the big picture. Or perhaps a combination of the two. Sometimes people not used to certain types of friendliness/banter (e.g. expressing extreme interest, playful teasing) can misinterpret someone's personality as being flirty when it's just how they are.
Yeah, that's happened to me a few times before :|
Now we just need to see whether Faye goes back to Mari and Angus's place and tries to comfort Mari and tell her it's gonna be alright, or give her crap for trying to move in on Angus.
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When Marigold was introduced, she (and Momo) had "just moved in" around the corner from the Faye-Marten-Hanners building.
Actually, Pintsize only says Momo has moved in, which I took to be another way of saying she was just delivered to Marigold.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1298
Not that your theory has no merit, but…
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At the risk of derailing the relatively high-brow discussion of relationship dynamics and the analysis of who has lived with whom and for how long.....in the last panel Angus's right upper arm/shoulder is clearly thinking, "whoah, boob, awesome."
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I'm taking the whole "housemates" vs "roommate" thing, and the "just moved in" thing, to mean that Angus and Marigold . . . just moved in at the time of that strip, and Marigold brought Momo. End of.
Thanks celticgeek -- I didn't think we had met the other AnthroPC's owner. Be cool to see what Jeph comes up with for that one day (possibly in the far far future).
And thankies to JackFaerie for the info on Northhampton -- that does sound like a nicer/less violent town than most.
.....in the last panel Angus's right upper arm/shoulder is clearly thinking, "whoah, boob, awesome."
Yes. Yes it is.
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I'm sure the Linux AnthroPC would indignantly deny having an "owner". In any event, we have never met PT-410X's, um, companion human.
Re walking around alone at night: would you mess with Faye? Took out a G-man with one blow, what would she do to some random thug?
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Who cares about living arrangements, Momo's 'ownership' status or who should console Marbear.....LOOK FAYE HAS HER ARM AROUND ANGUS OMG ARE THEY GONNA LIKE DO IT AND STUFF???
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Also, firefly. Faye is quoting firefly. She just needs to end it with a 'well, you're okay' and she is taking off the swordfight scene in Episode 4, 'Shindig'.
Totally my thought, except I think it's "well, [you're] all right..."
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On another note, an arm around Angus! And it doesn't have a fist!
IknowIknowIknow! I'm SO excited!!
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Ha! I knew Hanners would come!
Also, is it just me, or does Hanners' hair look kind of animeish?
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Actually, it looks kinda... well... Ellen (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=478)-ish?
And actually... wow. Go Hanners. She's managed to displace the OCD enough to console a friend properly... even IF she's puke-in-the-toilet overhung.
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Am I the only one who's more impressed that Hanners could deal with being hugged than her ability to dodge vomit at super human speed? Of course I'm sure the hug aversion thing might have helped her speed out there just a bit faster.
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Am I the only one who's more impressed that Hanners could deal with being hugged than her ability to dodge vomit at super human speed? Of course I'm sure the hug aversion thing might have helped her speed out there just a bit faster.
No, you're not... That's even more amazing than the Warp factor one Vomit Run of Mari-chan.
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I'm calling it right now - this thread is going to explode as soon as everyone realizes what happened in that fourth panel.
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I'm calling it right now - this thread is going to explode as soon as everyone realizes what happened in that fourth panel.
Hanners hugged back!!!!!!!
or was she getting a better grip so she could push away faster??
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"Faye told me what happened."
If I were Marigold I would be horrified and wonder how many other people also knew.
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I'm calling it right now - this thread is going to explode as soon as everyone realizes what happened in that fourth panel.
Hanners hugged back!!!!!!!
or was she getting a better grip so she could push away faster??
I think it has more to do with Hannegold 'shipping and bewbage. Which is, of course, ricockulous.
Very impressed by Hannelore's innate teleportation and/or phasing skills. :laugh:
And LOL at "BUTTS LOL" mug.
D
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Well, now we know what The Flash's daughter is doing these days :-D
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So one may hug Hanners if one is a woman ? Hihi, gender transformation is quite tempting now ! :wink:
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If you could get Hannelore to compete, she would be a champion UFC fighter with that speed. How unsanitary do you think their gloves and sweat must be? Hers would be boiled between rounds, of course.
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Oh yeah, I can see Hanners moving that fast under the circumstances. For someone that obsessed with cleaniness and germs, being puked on would be the ULTIMATE HORROR. Heck, most relatively normal people would want to dodge the puke too...
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I just gotta say it... Hanners' hair in this strip looks awesome. Its like she actually took the time to brush it. AMAZING!
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Well she used to when it was long back when she met marten, its been short for awhile and looks like it is getting longer.
I had a feeling good old hanners would stop by. :mrgreen:
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If you could get Hannelore to compete, she would be a champion UFC fighter with that speed. How unsanitary do you think their gloves and sweat must be? Hers would be boiled between rounds, of course.
The problem is, she'd have to actually put in some offense to actually win. Otherwise, she'd just be a faster version of Kalib Starnes (http://mmavideolinks.to/fighter-videos/139/1586-kalib-starnes-vs-nate-quarry.html).
For those who don't want to watch the whole fight, Starnes ran away from Nate Quarry for 15 minutes without doing much anything else.
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Ha! I knew Hanners would come!
Also, is it just me, or does Hanners' hair look kind of animeish?
Somewhat. Ever since she cut her hair i've thought she looked like this character from Bleach called Kotetsu Isane.
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Personally, you need to recruit her for the olympic sprint teams -
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I must say, I'm very touched and impressed with Hanners. She's trying to overcome her aversion to touching in order to be a friend to Marigold. At least there wasn't any skin contact or we'd have seen her reach Speed Force-levels of awesome.
<joking>I wonder how Tai's going to take this? *wink/nudge*</joking>
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Northampton, MA.…is nicknamed The Paradise City.
So the grass is green and the girls are pretty?
Don't know about that, but judging by the faux-castle in the Wikipedia photograph, they hired Walt Disney as the town planner.
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But... but did she ever get the card house built?! :oops:
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I'm calling it right now - this thread is going to explode as soon as everyone realizes what happened in that fourth panel.
Eh? Mari's just driving the porcelain bus*. Nothing to see here... move along. :police:
* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
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* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
Well, Momo, maybe. I've heard she's quite easy to clean.
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Holy molly, Hanner's hair it's so awesome.
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Eh? Mari's just driving the porcelain bus*. Nothing to see here... move along. :police:
What part of "fourth panel" didn't you understand?
I had called for it (yay, go me), but I'm still impressed by Hanners' self-control when Marigold hugged her. It's obvious she's startled but she dominates her reflexes to do what she's supposed to. Well, within certain limits, granted.
As for what happens in the sixth panel, I fear that, alas, no porcelain is involved.
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Reminds me of when she projected Sven's cat across the room (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1077)!
Also, poor Mari - cry yourself to sleep, then wake up crying. Usually "morning amnesia" prevents that sort of thing.
And then vomit.
Not a good start to her day!
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Holy molly, Hanner's hair it's so awesome.
It's Helmet hair. She was wearing the Worry Hat when her house of cards collapsed (Nice metaphor, Jeph!). I'm guessing she didn't sleep much, either. So it's still pretty flat.
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Reminds me of when she projected Sven's cat across the room (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1077)!
Is it weird that Hanner's face in the last panel of that one always made me think of salad fingers?
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Let's here it for Hanners overcoming her mnemonic!
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I'm calling it right now - this thread is going to explode as soon as everyone realizes what happened in that fourth panel.
Eh? Mari's just driving the porcelain bus*. Nothing to see here... move along. :police:
* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
No, the fourth panel... Or third line, second window.
She was actually ALLOWING Marigold to HUG her (remember the 5H rule?).
Let's hear it for Hanners overcoming her mnemonic!
EDIT: Ninja'd.
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At first, I thought Angus was commenting on Marigold's speed in leaving her boob-lock on Hanners (three cheers for not throwing Mar-Bear across the room into the hamper!) and fleeing to the bathroom to hork. It actually took me a couple of reads to realize that Jeff just doesn't use "hites" all that much. The jaunty angle of fleeing Hanner-hair finally hit me with the clue stick.
I'd like to know how Hanners managed, between panels 3A and 3B, to free her arms. Of course, between 4A and 4B, she freed her whole self, ninja style. I wonder if she's taken lessons from Short Packed!'s Ninja Rick. Ninjas are clean creatures, right?
Maybe there will be a new 5H mnemonic.
Hugging Hanners Heralds Hilarious Horking
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I'm thinking Hannelore's just on another heavy medication. While it would be nice to have her suddenly able to get over her OCD for her friend in need, given her history it's not very realistic.
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Also, poor Mari - cry yourself to sleep, then wake up crying. Usually "morning amnesia" prevents that sort of thing.
And then vomit.
Yes, I was impressed Marigold managed to wake up sobbing. I agree, t'would think the hurling'd come first. An the other hand, that kind of hard crying sends tons of mucus down your throat—just the thing to set the already-stressed upper G.I. into reverse gear. If she hadn't been weeping, I'm thinking Marigold would've made it to the bathroom. Then again, she might not have my mad skillz in this area (As a child, a variety of food allergies made me perfect the sudden dash to face-embrace the throne, including a facial expression that made even the daftest relative get out of the way).
As for what happens in the sixth panel, I fear that, alas, no porcelain is involved.
Yes, that's a set-up for a floor-splat if ever there was one—especially with Hannelore dematerializing from underneath her. If Marigold managed to miss the bed.
Personally, you need to recruit her for the olympic sprint teams -
I dunno; how would the IOC feel about someone hired to stand behind Hannelore and spew chunk?
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Ha! I knew Hanners would come!
Also, is it just me, or does Hanners' hair look kind of animeish?
Somewhat. Ever since she cut her hair i've thought she looked like this character from Bleach called Kotetsu Isane.
We've been through this -- ALL of them look animeish now. Jeph lost the originality that his artwork used to have :cry:
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* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
Well, Momo, maybe. I've heard she's quite easy to clean.
No, not Momo, according to panel 4 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1625).
Also, people keep using the word 'mnemonic'. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Hanners knows how to clean up puke. It requires gin.
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We've been through this -- ALL of them look animeish now. Jeph lost the originality that his artwork used to have :cry:
I'm probably the only one that sees jeph's artwork as having more of a Don Bluth influence. Probably a little more animeish now but it was more evident earlier on.
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Since when do fart jokes qualify as humor?
Well, if you really want to go back you can start with the classical Greek playwright Aristophanes, who in two plays - The Knights (http://classics.mit.edu/Aristophanes/knights.pl.txt), and The Clouds (http://classics.mit.edu/Aristophanes/clouds.pl.txt), cracks fart jokes.
Hell, Aristophanes even made masturbation jokes.
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I'm sure the Linux AnthroPC would indignantly deny having an "owner". In any event, we have never met PT-410X's, um, companion human.
Re walking around alone at night: would you mess with Faye? Took out a G-man with one blow, what would she do to some random thug?
Heh, indeed. I like the term "companion human" -- the PT-410X probably would refer to the person as something like that. :-D And while I doubt most folks in the QC-verse know Faye took out a G-man, she does likely have a rep (she was offered a job as a bouncer after tossing Angus across the room, as I recall), and her ability to defend herself would add to her self-confidence while wandering the streets at night. Hell, Angus is probably safer WITH her in that regard, since she's ceased (temporarily?) pummeling him and whatnot.
About today's strip: I like that Hannelore went over there -- by the look of it, first thing in the morning -- to console Marigold AND managed to bear the, er, bearhug she got, at least until her catlike/ninja reflexes kicked in with the first hint of pukage. Marigold's night could have been worse -- she did seem to have gotten some sleep, instead of being on the cold bathroom floor, propped up against the toilet all night. There may be a mess to clean up, sure, but Hanners is a pro at that, bio-suit and all. And it's not like Marbear is motorboating Hanners, she's just crying on her. Perhaps the back-and-forth drawings between Jeph and Danielle Corsetto inspired him to draw panel 4 that way just for giggles (not that Jeph would EVER taunt the shippers, no way!).
Also: what, no new poll?
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Let's here it for Hanners overcoming her mnemonic!
She did jumped into a fireman's arms (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1224). I also remember an arc where Hanners fainted, but I'm not sure about that.
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Personally, you need to recruit her for the olympic sprint teams -
I dunno; how would the IOC feel about someone hired to stand behind Hannelore and spew chunk?
All depends on if vomit is a banned substance or not.
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I must say, I'm very touched and impressed with Hanners. She's trying to overcome her aversion to touching in order to be a friend to Marigold.
A ditto on this! I was moved by Hanners' kindness. :)
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Also I think he sits AT the right hand of Yahweh, not ON it.
I would say that in general ON is more idiomatic in modern English speech than AT (e.g. "sit here on my right"), so for that phrase it depends what translation of the original is being quoted. Though in Acts 7:55-56, where the phrase comes twice, I find that the King James translation uses ON, and the modern ones I've looked at use AT!
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Personally, you need to recruit her for the olympic sprint teams -
I dunno; how would the IOC feel about someone hired to stand behind Hannelore and spew chunk?
Not well, probably. I think that's why hurling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurling) is not an olympic discipline.
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Today's comic soda can count: 2
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/Dreamcastguy/sodacan2.png)
Henceforth all my replies to this thread will be soda can related.
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/Dreamcastguy/SodaCan1.png)
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Yes you soda can!
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I am constantly impressed with how Jeph expands his characters, and in believable ways. Those who believe that Hanners is just on heavy medicine again, instead of working to overcome her issues for the sake of comforting her closest friend... shame on you. There's even a precedent! Do you not recall (I am far too lazy to actually dig up the link to this particular plot arc) when her mother came to town and made that bet with Marten? She went through it. Just for Marten... or well, to prove herself. Or maybe she was just that drunk. But, it did set a precedent. When she puts her mind to something, Hanners conquers all. For that, I truly admire her, even more so for so well living with her multitude of problems. (Yes, I know that many people live as well as, and in some cases, even better, than she does with the same disorder... but I know just as well that there are a startling number who refuse to venture outside their homes.)
I feel so bad for Marigold... but on the flipside, Angus must be thinking something along the lines of damn, I wish I had a camera to record this! Seriously - that would definitely have won the prize on my family's old favorite TV show, America's Funniest (home) Videos!
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Not trying to be too much of an ass, but Aristophanes predates he who sits on the right hand of Yahweh.
By a few hundred years if memory serves
Also I think he sits AT the right hand of Yahweh, not ON it.
most cherished intellectuals from before the birth of Christ
*makes notes to read more closely...
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* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
Well, Momo, maybe. I've heard she's quite easy to clean.
No, not Momo, according to panel 4 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1625).
Says she couldn't hold her head up. I'm sure she could hold the hair out of the way, though.
Also, people keep using the word 'mnemonic'. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Nah, that would be inconscheivable!
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The Princess Bride - if there is a person who has seen this movie, and hears any line from it, that cannot associate it to that movie... I will not believe it. Ever.
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As you wish
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* Alas, with nobody to hold her hair out of the way...
Well, Momo, maybe. I've heard she's quite easy to clean.
No, not Momo, according to panel 4 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1625).
Says she couldn't hold her head up. I'm sure she could hold the hair out of the way, though.
And provide a cold washcloth. Got to have the cold washcloth applied to the forehead; otherwise, the heaving never stops.
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Spoken from experience, no doubt!
It's a shame - the best things for the hangover she's going to have are water and protien (hence all those damn "recipes" that have raw egg in them).
But nothing's going to stay down (least of all eggs, raw or cooked) for quite a while.
Marigold, I'd like to intropduce you to Misery. Misery, Marigold. You two get to know each other for a few hours, I'll be back later...
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Tomorrow's Comic:
MARIGOLD: I will never do that again, oh god.
MARTEN and DORA exchange a knowing look.
MARTEN, DORA, FAYE (in chorus): And This Time, I Mean It!
YELLING BIRD: WHOOOOORRRRRRREEEEEESSSSSSS
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The website has been invaded by purple.... Pagan new year is here.
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Err... I know this is kind of off-topic, but has the colour scheme changed for anyone else?
EDIT: Guess not.
The website has been invaded by purple.... Pagan new year is here.
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Err... I know this is kind of off-topic, but has the colour scheme changed for anyone else?
EDIT: Guess not.
The website has been invaded by purple.... Pagan new year is here.
It was all purple and strange, but when I refreshed, it went back to normal.
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Looks hot pink to me....
Anyway.
MAGICAL LOVE GENTLEMAN!
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Apropos of nothing, I was fishing around on youtube (Bo Burnham's kinda like a sick puppy), and I thought I'd dig up this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQWWmcbrBiw&NR=1)...
Border Reiver, do not follow that link! No more dead kittens, please.
It's the extended version, off the 12" 45 EP single released in '82, and yes, that's a full 9 minutes of classic stereo bompin'!
House music from before you were born, kiddies!
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I say that Magical Love Gentlemen becomes the main comic, this is the only option for Jeph now.
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Man, how do I get my groin to glow like that? Does it involve being at Ground Zero of an H-bomb detonation, or falling into the Large Hadron Collider, or what?
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Falling into the Large Hardon Hadron Collider
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Aaaah! the light! It burns us, it hurts us it does, yesssssssssss!!
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bahahahaha!
...i lol'd.
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That pink is blinding.
I like what Google and Wikipedia are doing to celebrate the holiday.
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Ahhh Jeph, you certainly know the old Klingon expression about revenge.
Hey, is that Marten's dad when he was a young man? :-D
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Ha! I knew Hanners would come!
Also, is it just me, or does Hanners' hair look kind of animeish?
Somewhat. Ever since she cut her hair i've thought she looked like this character from Bleach called Kotetsu Isane.
God damn it now I'm never going to unsee this.
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At first, I thought Angus was commenting on Marigold's speed in leaving her boob-lock on Hanners (three cheers for not throwing Mar-Bear across the room into the hamper!) and fleeing to the bathroom to hork. It actually took me a couple of reads to realize that Jeff just doesn't use "hites" all that much. The jaunty angle of fleeing Hanner-hair finally hit me with the clue stick.
I'd like to know how Hanners managed, between panels 3A and 3B, to free her arms. Of course, between 4A and 4B, she freed her whole self, ninja style. I wonder if she's taken lessons from Short Packed!'s Ninja Rick. Ninjas are clean creatures, right?
Maybe there will be a new 5H mnemonic.
Hugging Hanners Heralds Hilarious Horking
I think what happened is that the last panel (Hanners standing next to Angus) is shortly after Marigold bolted for the toilet, maybe up to a good 30 seconds after Mar-bear had started the horking in 4A ("hurp").
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Personally, you need to recruit her for the olympic sprint teams -
I dunno; how would the IOC feel about someone hired to stand behind Hannelore and spew chunk?
Not well, probably. I think that's why hurling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurling) is not an olympic discipline.
It's messed up that hurling isn't an Olympic "discipline", but Women's Field Hockey is.
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Oh.
(Looks over at calendar)
(shakes head)
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Don't look at it, Marion!
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On another note, an arm around Angus! And it doesn't have a fist!
IknowIknowIknow! I'm SO excited!!
me too! very hopeful....
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Soooo.... since penises are quite commonly depicted as columns of light, does this comic mean that Sousuke-kun is a tentacle monster?
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I think what happened is that the last panel (Hanners standing next to Angus) is shortly after Marigold bolted for the toilet, maybe up to a good 30 seconds after Mar-bear had started the horking in 4A ("hurp").
Alas, like has been already said, there's absolutely no indication that Marigold has had the time to head for the toilet. Angus' remark even suggests the contrary.
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Oh.
(Looks over at calendar)
(shakes head)
This.
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Oh man... The worst part is that there were some sound effects when I saw the light coming out of his pants.
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Oh man... The worst part is that there were some sound effects when I saw the light coming out of his pants.
I pretty much just heard this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0m).
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Wow! Hannelore goes from letting Marigold hug her to this? That's getting to the point of…fast progress! (Don't tell him, but Jeph forgot to draw her breasts).
Adjusts nemes, grabs violin, hops on boat, and sails up da river.
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Me, I was just thinking that whatever androgynous being was undoing the zipper was going to be extremely disappointed at that "Premature at breech".
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Northampton, MA.…is nicknamed The Paradise City.
So the grass is green and the girls are pretty?
Don't know about that, but judging by the faux-castle in the Wikipedia photograph, they hired Walt Disney as the town planner.
Uncle Walt was the planner? I wonder if he came up with this plan (http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5684/slide_5684_76993_large.jpg?1270127697885)?
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Wowwwwwwwwww. Okay. Reading QC is usually the first thing I do of a morning if I don't catch it before I fall asleep. Beginning to think this is a bad idea, as I was VERY confused looking at the comic (and the page title on my Firefox browser) until I reached the newspost.
Still, though, the light. Is he like, the Japanese Edward of Twilight? Does he sparkle? SPARKLE-PEEEEEEN.
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noooooooooooo, I hate april fools day.
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Wow! Hannelore goes from letting Marigold hug her to this? That's getting to the point of…fast progress! (Don't tell him, but Jeph forgot to draw her breasts).
raoullefere, meet Yaoi. Yaoi, raoullefere.
Have fun you kids!
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I wish my penis shone like a beacon.
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Poll results:
an empowered woman going for what she wants - 41 (11.1%)
a naive crusher - 161 (43.4%)
too drunk to classify - 79 (21.3%)
better for Angus than Faye is - 57 (15.4%)
sullen sulfur suffragette - 33 (8.9%)
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Not the best attempt of the day. Though, at least Jeph hasn't gone gone Gaga (http://www.sisterclaire.com/), been foiled in an attempt to create a image board (http://www.sandraandwoo.com/), was taken over by unix (http://www.xkcd.com/), or outright killed himself (http://www.zapcomic.com/) in the process of making a JOKE.
Personally, I think the best April Fool of they day was Youtube's TEXTp. But then, I'm a fan of ASCII art.
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stay away and let female friend console her is the best option for Angus. Then nuke them from orbit, its the only way to be sure.
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I wish my penis shone like a beacon.
'twould make peein' in the middle of the night considerably easier...
... at least Jeph hasn't gone gone Gaga (http://www.sisterclaire.com/),
Thanks, I would have missed that one - I only check Mondays for updates!
been foiled in an attempt to create a image board (http://www.sandraandwoo.com/),
Epic fail, aparrently.
was taken over by unix (http://www.xkcd.com/),
This was absolutely brilliant! And the commands really work!!
or outright killed himself (http://www.zapcomic.com/) in the process of making a JOKE.
Personally, I think the best April Fool of they day was Youtube's TEXTp. But then, I'm a fan of ASCII art.
WOW. I love acsii art, too and you'd almost believe the reasonning! Still, it's all about deception...
I gave a test today, and went into the room with a stack of scratch paper 5 times as thick as the test, with the tests on top. Thunked it on the desk. Went about the usual preparatory remarks. then heaved the stck back up, and said,"Alright, time for the test!"
After a moment of absolutelly terrorized looks from the students I pulled the actual stack odf test papers off the top, dropped rest of the stack, and said "April fools!"
I'll be enjoying that one for years...
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I wish my penis shone like a beacon.
Which reminded me (http://itswalky.com/d/20080126.html)...
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I gave a test today, and went into the room with a stack of scratch paper 5 times as thick as the test, with the tests on top. Thunked it on the desk. Went about the usual preparatory remarks. then heaved the stck back up, and said,"Alright, time for the test!"
After a moment of absolutelly terrorized looks from the students I pulled the actual stack odf test papers off the top, dropped rest of the stack, and said "April fools!"
I'll be enjoying that one for years...
That is so funny that I'm going to steal it! How should I footnote you?
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I gave a test today, and went into the room with a stack of scratch paper 5 times as thick as the test, with the tests on top. Thunked it on the desk. Went about the usual preparatory remarks. then heaved the stck back up, and said,"Alright, time for the test!"
You might try this one: the class before the exam, after incessant demands to know "What's going to be on the test," the teacher says "now I'm going to show you your actual exam. Get ready." And then, twelve feet away from the front row, he holds up the exam one sheet at a time, gesturing in front of each page hand-model fashion. Of course, no one saw anything of value, although one ass did have the chutzpa to say, pencil in hand, "slow down!"
Wow! Hannelore goes from letting Marigold hug her to this? That's getting to the point of…fast progress! (Don't tell him, but Jeph forgot to draw her breasts).Adjusts nemes, grabs violin, hops on boat, and sails up da river.
raoullefere, meet Yaoi. Yaoi, raoullefere.
Have fun you kids!
I cannot hear you over the sounds of rushing waters, nor do I have time to greet any Chinese NBA players.
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I gave a test today, and went into the room with a stack of scratch paper 5 times as thick as the test, with the tests on top. Thunked it on the desk. Went about the usual preparatory remarks. then heaved the stck back up, and said,"Alright, time for the test!"
After a moment of absolutelly terrorized looks from the students I pulled the actual stack odf test papers off the top, dropped rest of the stack, and said "April fools!"
I'll be enjoying that one for years...
That is so funny that I'm going to steal it! How should I footnote you?
On the bottom peice in the stack of paper, of course!
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oh my god penises do not work that way.
he really should get that checked out.
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He IS getting it checked out...
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JEPH!!! THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT WHEN A MAN UNZIPS ANOTHER MANS PANTS IT MAKES IT SHINE :(
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I wonder...we see Marigold and hanners (possibly Angus too) talk about everything, angus goes to the shop, marten and dora comic (maybe talking to faye about what to do with angus now), anthroPC comic.
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You callin for next week? 'cause Friday is up!
And Hanners looks friggin' maternal in panel 5, all shiny eyed...
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I was just thinking that. Marigold brings out hanners maternal instincts.
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Careful Hanners, you get enough freakout all together and the pile could go critical on you! :-o
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The comic's cute.
Insert Morbo 'OCD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY' image macro here, though.
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Hannelore's hair looks even better tonight.
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D'awww, the last few panels are so sweet. I love Hanners. (But not in a creepy!bannable way.)
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Even if she got her crush crushed, Marigold is lucky to have someone like Hanners.
On a completely unrelated note, the idea of Hanners going all super saiyan with her stored-up freakout is kinda... alluring.
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Hanners is making great progress. I remember in her twitter account where she mentions using relaxation techniques to fend off panic attacks. Go Hanners go!
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The comic's cute.
Insert Morbo 'OCD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY' image macro here, though.
Insert Phillip J. Frye "How do you know? Maybe it's like light, or electricity, or fast food." image macro here.
Hanners is so saccharine in this strip, I hope Jeff's well insured, cause he just gave me diabetes.
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Awww, the comic went from heartbreaking to heartwarming in just a few days.
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Still gonna be heartbreaking when Marigold finally regains consciousness.
Insert Morbo 'OCD DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY' image macro here, though.
Insert Phillip J. Frye "How do you know? Maybe it's like light, or electricity, or fast food." image macro here.
Been pretty well established that it doesn't work that way. What it does mean is that she's making some kind of progress, and can even joke about it.
However, Hanners' OCD tends to be about cleanliness. She made Marigold clean up quite a bit first! Ad she has sses with being touched, here she is not being hugged but rather she is initiating a gentle touch in a relatively safe manner on someone who's sleeping. Improvement, yes, but small steps, as they should be!
And I'm sure afterwards, she'll wash her hands... but right now she feels needed. Sometimes it's enough to overcome a fear!
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My first reaction was this is the difference between male and female friends. Male friends would likely be storing most of this ifo for future embarassing stories, rather than being maternal. [First time the puking aftger drinking too much happened to my brother my father's reaction was to make sure that he didn't fall in the bathroom after the dry heaves then to wake him the next morning for Church. Don't worry Dad made sure there was a hearty breakfast of bacon and eggs! Drink if you want, but be ready to do what you're supposed to the next morning.]
Our maybe just my male friends...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VtUrz4rxXA
This is what happens when you leave your video camera unattended around people who are drinking.
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I think the next poll will be about how Hannelore got to be that good-hearted. Not to mention knowing the right things to do.
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Clearly didn't learn it from Mom...
Maybe from the best nanny money could buy?
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I was wondering, too, how Hanners learned to do the Mom thing, considering her example. That maternal look in panel five is, well, moving, and not at all what we'd expect from
Sauron her mother. Maybe her dad, defying all preconceptions, is like that, at least when he's not planning how to accidentally reconfigure the universe.
Yes, partially ninja'd. Care? No. (It's just Carl)
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On a completely unrelated note, the idea of Hanners going all super saiyan with her stored-up freakout is kinda... alluring.
Yes, it could go OVER 9000!!
Hannermom has emerged - Or she could be crushing on Mari-Bear herself :-D
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Yeah...my theory is that Hanners' biological clock has started ticking. Its so intense for her that she invents the artificial womb, steals a guys sperm (whom she has previously judged to be the perfect donor (probably Marten's)), sends all the equipment up to her dad in the space station, and viola, we have a perfect OCD Hannerbaby for her to take care of.
Also, Hanners won't go Super Saiyan from her freak out, she'll transform into Freakazoid, because everyone knows thats what a freak out does.
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WOAW! did anyone else notice what is on Marigold's shower curtains?! its RANDY!
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Yeah...my theory is that Hanners' biological clock has started ticking. Its so intense for her that she invents the artificial womb, steals a guys sperm (whom she has previously judged to be the perfect donor (probably Marten's)), sends all the equipment up to her dad in the space station, and viola, we have a perfect OCD Hannerbaby for her to take care of.
I'd have just suggested stealing a baby from the maternity ward adopting, but your idea is just crazy enough to work!
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Yeah...my theory is that Hanners' biological clock has started ticking. Its so intense for her that she invents the artificial womb, steals a guys sperm (whom she has previously judged to be the perfect donor (probably Marten's)), sends all the equipment up to her dad in the space station, and voila, we have a perfect OCD Hannerbaby for her to take care of.
Fixed it for you.
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Reminds me of when she projected Sven's cat across the room (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1077)!
Is it weird that Hanner's face in the last panel of that one always made me think of salad fingers?
hahahahahaahhahahaha... i totally see that..
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I was wondering, too, how Hanners learned to do the Mom thing, considering her example. That maternal look in panel five is, well, moving, and not at all what we'd expect from Sauron her mother. Maybe her dad, defying all preconceptions, is like that, at least when he's not planning how to accidentally reconfigure the universe.
Yes, partially ninja'd. Care? No. (It's just Carl)
I think I know where she got it: Dora (check out strip 1317).
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Hannelore's hair looks different.
Not bad, just different. It looks like it's got a lot of perspective work to it, so it's probably harder to draw.
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I was wondering, too, how Hanners learned to do the Mom thing, considering her example. That maternal look in panel five is, well, moving, and not at all what we'd expect from Sauron her mother. Maybe her dad, defying all preconceptions, is like that, at least when he's not planning how to accidentally reconfigure the universe.
I think I know where she got it: Dora (check out strip 1317).
Could be. If so, shows how a kindness multiplies.
WOAW! did anyone else notice what is on Marigold's shower curtains?! its RANDY!
I thought it might be, but wasn't sure. That's got to be a singular shower curtain, unless bandicoots have become suddenly popular. Well, there's Crash, but he doesn't look like that.
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Yeah...my theory is that Hanners' biological clock has started ticking. Its so intense for her that she invents the artificial womb, steals a guys sperm (whom she has previously judged to be the perfect donor (probably Marten's)), sends all the equipment up to her dad in the space station, and viola, we have a perfect OCD Hannerbaby for her to take care of.
Also, Hanners won't go Super Saiyan from her freak out, she'll transform into Freakazoid, because everyone knows thats what a freak out does.
...Okay, that'd explain where Annie from The Meaning of Lila went, but when did Hannelore go to Cleveland?
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Poll results for what Angus should do next, according to the social protocol database:
Say he can't be with her because he has a Canadian wife in a sanitarium - 10 (6.1%)
Say she's too special a friend to risk a romantic relationship - 26 (15.8%)
Stay away while female friends console her - 47 (28.5%)
Hold an awkward "But I was flattered" talk - 32 (19.4%)
Hold an awkward "I want to keep you as a friend" talk - 38 (23%)
Seizuring cesium Caesar - 12 (7.3%)
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I've tried.
I really have.
But I can't seem to give a shit about Marigold.
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Yeah...my theory is that Hanners' biological clock has started ticking. Its so intense for her that she invents the artificial womb, steals a guys sperm (whom she has previously judged to be the perfect donor (probably Marten's)), sends all the equipment up to her dad in the space station, and voila, we have a perfect OCD Hannerbaby for her to take care of.
Fixed it for you.
Maybe it was a cute to start playing the viola.
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Is it just me, or in the last panel, do Hannelore's eyes look like those of Dr. Rockzo, the Rock-and-Roll Clown??
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I've tried.
I really have.
But I can't seem to give a shit about Marigold.
So don't. This isn't just about her, you know! Angus' point of view is a good one for the current arc, and some people are looking at this from Hannelore's side of things.
But soon we'll be off mucking about in someone esle's angsty life. Mind you, it may be a few weeks - we're talking QC time!
Bear in mind that characters in this strip are like the weather - wait a little while, they'll change!
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Is it just me, or in the last panel, do Hannelore's eyes look like those of Dr. Rockzo, the Rock-and-Roll Clown??
I think its just you
(http://megadestroyer.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DrRockso.png)
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PLEASE be foreshadowing for a possible relationship! I am super excited about this if it is!
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Hannelore x Dr. Rockso?
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Why not? It's as likely as any other.
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And funnier too. :-D
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"Dust! I have to sweep that up!" - "Noooo! My druuuuugs!"
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lez yay its comming o.o or just she is getting better with her ocd
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I dunno—I'm still hoping Mr. Clean will blow into town and sweep Hanners off her feet. Or maybe mop her off her feet. Whichever.
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The "relationship" is going to be a close friendship.
But what is Hanners getting out of it? Marigirl gets emotional and practical support. Hannelore gets, what, yaoi? I'm impressed that Hannelore has anything to give after dealing with her own problems, but it doesn't seem like Marigirl is managing that much herself.
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:? Friendship is more complicated and subtle than just giving and getting, you know.
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I think a little of what Hanners is "getting" is someone to whom she's able to give.
Sometimes, that's all it takes. Given time, it may grow into more and strengthen as a friendsip, but for now it seems to be enough.
Heaven forbid Marigold turn to Hanners for relationship advice - although if the practice boyfriend-bot is still around, and Momo's social protocol can be uploaded...
Never mind, that would be a terrible idea. "You're nowhere near as considerate as my first boyfriend!" are words no man wants to hear!
Is there an anti-social protocol?
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Is there an anti-social protocol?
Yeah, in Steve's brain. But Angus displays chunks of it at times.
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Everybody has the antisocial protocol at times.
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It's Pintsize's operating system.
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Pintsize isn't antisocial; he's destructosocial. To wit, he believes that mockery, pranks, 'gross-outs,' destruction of property, lame attempts at cheap sexual thrills, and really disgusting pronpics are the means by which to create a firmer, more lasting social bond. In other words, he's much like a hormone-crazed, thirteen-year-old boy with unsupervised internet access.
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Reminds me of my adolescence! Except teh whole internet-access thingy. Arpanet was too hard for a 13 year old to get onto, despite what Wargames would have you believe!
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Well, you didn't have Alley Sheedy trapping you between her legs. I liked her in that movie, not anticipating the horror she would later unleash: Short Circuit.
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Is there an anti-social protocol?
Yeah, in Steve's brain. But Angus displays chunks of it at times.
....anyone got some brain bleach? I just had a vision of a Marigold-Steve hookup... :-P
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Pintsize isn't antisocial; he's destructosocial. To wit, he believes that mockery, pranks, 'gross-outs,' destruction of property, lame attempts at cheap sexual thrills, and really disgusting pronpics are the means by which to create a firmer, more lasting social bond. In other words, he's much like a hormone-crazed, thirteen-year-old boy with unsupervised internet access.
Actually, what you describe is anti-social. Anti-social individuals see the world as a play thing (or potential shooting range...). If you do things 100% for the lulz, it's likely you are being anti-social. People often get anti-social confused with non-sociable or social anxiety.
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Thank Krelden that Marigold is not Steve's type.
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People often get anti-social confused with non-sociable or social anxiety.
As in the xkcd store's t-shirt that says "Just shy, not antisocial. You can talk to me!".
Which I own and love.