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a pretty simple premise: which famous person, be it musician, artist, filmmaker, actor, writer, etc. has done enough to earn and keep your respect for literally the rest of their lives regardless of whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career? don't just pick people you like, be prepared for the fact that they could do almost anything. they could record a tribute album to creed. they could become a spokesperson for peta. they could announce that paris hilton is going to play the lead role in every single film or television show they ever make ever again. you would still love them unconditionally and defend them until their death because of whatever they did that was just so, so good.
my pick is larry david (edited for image) -
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i can honestly say that if he announced tomorrow that he was planning on spending the rest of his life doing nothing but making films that consist of rob schnieder and adam sandler farting on each other, i would probably cry a little bit but ultimately forgive him because of the sheer enjoyment and awe i have experienced over the years for curb your enthusiasm, probably the funniest thing on television today and certainly among the most creatively produced and well written. while i enjoyed seinfeld, curb has a way of very seriously impressing me more and more with every year despite my insistence every time that he just can't beat the genius of the previous one, in ways i could never in my life come up with. he's also pretty old already so hopefully there wouldn't be too many of those terrible fart movies anyway.
who would you give a lifetime pass to?
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Iggy Pop. If you heard most all of his output over the last 25 years you'd say he should be totally irrelevant. But those first 15 are so rich and important that it doesn't matter in the slightest.
Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.
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Iggy Pop. If you heard most all of his output over the last 25 years you'd say he should be totally irrelevant. But those first 15 are so rich and important that it doesn't matter in the slightest.
Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.
And dirty mind. and sign O' the Times
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Alan Moore. Dude is a crotchety, bitter old wizard these days, but frankly he's earned his bitterness.
I'm pretty confident in 10 years, I'd want to put Christopher Nolan on this list, but I ain't going that far just yet.
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George Lucas.
I don't give a fuck what anyone says. The original Star Wars trilogy is a nearly flawless work of cinema that's served as the foundation for an expanded universe in which I spent more time as a child than any other (excepting meatlife).
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Neil Young: see John's entry on Iggy. Plus I feel like even the missteps he makes are always at the very least interesting, if not, y'know, good. Plus plus every single interview I've seen with the guy just makes me love him all the more.
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Tom Motherfucking Waits.
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Martin Walkyier.
Honestly, his lyrics for Skyclad were so awesome that if he started to write for the bold and the beautiful today I'd cheer him on like there'd be no tomorrow.
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Oh oh and Clint Eastwood. He could re-make Every Which Way But Loose for all I care
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Oh oh and Clint Eastwood. He could re-make Every Which Way But Loose for all I care
he already did it's called any which way you can
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I thought this thread was about the kind of free pass that means your spouse, upon answering the door to your free pass, says "have a nice time, off you go" to you. I think last night's meebo sex discussion extravaganza has warped my mind.
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a pretty simple premise: which famous person, be it musician, artist, filmmaker, actor, writer, etc. has done enough to earn and keep your respect for literally the rest of their lives regardless of whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career?
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who would you give a lifetime pass to?
No one. Why would I love someone unconditionally if I don't even know them?
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joss whedon
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No one. Why would I love someone unconditionally if I don't even know them?
This is my sentiment exactly. What happens when the person you admire unconditionally turns out to be Mel Gibson or Gary Glitter?
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Of course, she did say
whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career
I guess that discounts people doing offensive or criminal things outside of their work, although that still leaves plenty of room for doing offensive or criminal things in their work.
I think what this thread needs is a more specific standard, one that isn't so open to interpretation. How about "Who would you still respect even if they started working with Insane Clown Posse?" Direct their videos, go on tour with them, whatever.
For me the answer to that question still stands at "no one."
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You've got a point.
I'm still not inclined to think that anyone is the bees knees just because, indefinitely.
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Incidentally, I encourage all previous responses to this thread to be reconsidered in light of my ICP standard.
Would you still like Larry Craig after he penned an ICP promotional gimmick?
Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?
Would you still like Iggy Pop after he guested on a couple tracks with ICP?
ADDITIONAL: Actually now that I think about it, Bruce Campbell might clear the ICP standard, because his entire career has basically been built on playing whatever crazy role he can. I might even respect ICP a little bit for reaching out to Bruce Campbell.
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Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?
How could this be nothing but amazing?
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Because I'm feeling brave, I'm going to admit that I actually quite like ICP in a genuine, non-ironic way.
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I thought this thread was about the kind of free pass that means your spouse, upon answering the door to your free pass, says "have a nice time, off you go" to you. I think last night's meebo sex discussion extravaganza has warped my mind.
I always miss the good meebo conversations.
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Wagner gets (got) a pass.
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On the one hand that's sort of cheating since you already know how his entire life went, plus values dissonance. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ValuesDissonance) I mean, you could imagine hypothetical situations in his later life and reflect on whether or not they affect your opinion, but that's still kinda cheating.
Then again, famous historical figures kind of epitomize what this thread is going for, since historians do tend to ignore the unsavory parts of otherwise admirable figures. For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic; if he had composed an opera called "The Weaknesses of Jews" scholars would probably just not mention it.
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For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic;
As were much of his society. Note also that his preferred conductor, who directed the premières of several of his operas, was a Jew.
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Like I said, values dissonance. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ValuesDissonance) And anyway you're missing the point of why I brought that up; I wasn't arguing about whether or not he's anti-semitic, I was pointing out that historians tend to ignore the details.
That is, historians often give famous people a pass.
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David Byrne
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Dude has done near everything already. I still think he's under-appreciated. Introducing alternative rhythms to popular music. Designing bike racks. Composing music for plays and movies. Visual art, choreography, writing, etc.
The man is a legend.
Plus, Talking Heads is one of the most insanely brilliant bands to have existed. They were doing things in 1977 that still seem fresh.
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I'm going to change tack slightly and nominate former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating). He's an immensely divisive figure, and people generally love him or hate him - and I'm definitely in the former category. He was the last true "big ideas" politician we had. He was fearless in pursuing what he thought was best for the country. He was a driving force behind the referendum on Australian becoming a republic (which, when it eventually happened, was sabotaged by a mixture of the Australian Republican Movement's stupidity and pig-headedness and the then Prime Minister John Howard's deviousness). He was also, most famously, a brutal and uncompromising wit in Parliament. He was famous for being passionate about the music of Gustav Mahler - which years later prompted Howard, his arch-nemesis, to comment derisively (and in true phillistine fashion) that "I'm certainly not going to go off and sulk to Mahler" after something went against him. He was more supportive of the arts than most Australian politicians dare to be. He represented a side of Australia that we too rarely show to the world, less jingoistic and more intellectual. Living in Australia with him as Prime Minister was exciting in a way it almost never has been since.
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Industrial and neo-folk musicians Genesis P. Orridge, David Tibet, Tony Wakeford, Douglas P. and Boyd Rice.
Which is good because they really fucking need them.
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Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?
This sounds so fucking good.
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What happens when the person you admire unconditionally turns out to be Mel Gibson or Gary Glitter?
"Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but the son of a bitch knows story structure!"
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I agree with Alan Moore and Lenny Bruce.
I'm going to go ahead and also say that it really doesn't matter what Lorin Ashton (aka BassNectar) does with the rest of his life, he has already made such a thorough impression on me that I'll never be able to really speak ill of him.
Also, Wayne Coyne. I'm so thoroughly enamored of the output of that man's mind that I've seen so far that I can't imagine a wrong turn he could take that would sour my view of him.
Alan Watts died a penniless and bitter alcoholic, and I really don't know what sort of nastiness he inflicted on people close to him in his life, but he gets a free pass for sure. His writing on Eastern religion and general liberation theology is among the greatest in history by any measure, and he is my immediate choice for the one writer literally everyone should read at some point.
Robert Anton Wilson's writing was at times embarrassingly misogynistic and racist, but I don't give a shit, his books are fucking awesome and Prometheus Rising is a masterpiece no matter how arrogant it is. He was almost no doubt a bastard but I'm always going to be able to get past that.
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Bill Murray
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^^^ I can get behind that.
Also, Hunter S. Thompson.
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Yes, The Great Shark Hunt is probably his best work. A lot of ...on the campaign trail appears in it but that's also an amazing book on its own.
I would probably give a lifetime pass to most of my favourite authors.
Mark E. Smith would also get one, for pretty much the exact same reasons as in Tommy's Neil Young post.
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oh yeah, definitely Hunter S. Thompson (wasn't even thinking about Where The Buffalo Roam when I said Bill Murray! derp)
I really liked his botched (and debauched) "coverage" of the Kentucky derby. pretty disturbing stuff.
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George R.R. Martin. I've not read a single novel or short story by the man that wasn't absolutely brilliant. A Song Of Ice And Fire is a great, great series, but it's some of his earlier work that makes him stand out from the crowd. A Song for Lya and Sandkings are two of the best novelettes ever written. Fever Dream is a stunning vampire-novel, Dying of the Light is one of the saddest books I've read and there's simply too much to cover. He has through all of his work shown that you can use genres like fantasy and sci-fi to write stories that touches the very depths of human emotion. So he's got a free pass for sure - he could turn the new Songs series into a barbie-tribute for all I care. He could start writing Twilight fan-fics. He could even start making superhero no... oh, wait, he's already done that. And they're brilliant.
Dreamsongs really sums up all he's done in a great way. Check it out.
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Definitely Alan Moore and Bill Murray.
Neil Gaiman, anyone? For me, his short story collections, American Gods, Neverwhere, Stardust, Good Omens, Anansi Boys, the Sandman series (phew!) more than make up for whatever laughable or forgettable shit he could do. Like, okay, he worked on that Beowulf movie, but that didn't bother me none. I didn't see it. Whatever! Plus he's a charming motherfucker with an awesome fiancée. Here you go sir, you have your pass.
Oh! And we tweeted at each other in an airport once.
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Ok, done by the standard of people I generally love and will forgive anything bad they do, and by would I still like them if they worked with icp.
Amanda Palmer
Wayne Conye
Bill Murry
Wes Anderson
Neil Gaiman(I was typing this as you posted, De_El)
Steve Buscemi
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srsly.
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The original Star Wars trilogy is a nearly flawless work of cinema
Really? Really?! A "nearly flawless work of cinema"? I highly doubt that, my good man. Don't get me wrong, I <3 Star Wars as much as anyone should, but it is a pretty crummy piece of cinema, cinematography, writing, acting and execution.
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Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.
This is the best answer and I wish I had thought of it first.
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Steve Howe for me. I just love his guitar work on the early-mid years Yes stuff more than I could love a human child. The dude created Asia and I've totally forgiven him for it, and I'd forgive him for playing with ICP too.
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George R.R. Martin.
I keep meaning to read those super hero novels that I forget the name of, but so far I've only found them in hardback while perusing Barnes and Noble and I'm just too lazy to look them up and order them online, and I don't want to give up my discount.
Bill Murry, Wes Anderson and Neil Gaiman I all agree on, though I haven't read all of Neil Gaiman's stuff yet he's surprisingly a strong contender. I basically worship the ground at Wes Anderson's feet by this point and I'm pretty sure I would have to physically resist the urge not to for Bill Murray, and I don't care how hard he's taking his mid life crisis stuff.
Warwick Davis - He's done everything from Willow to the Leprechaun, and while many of the movies he's been in sucked he is awesome, and always will be. I would forgive him for anything, including but not limited to the supposed Leprechaun vs. Chucky movie that I've heard about.
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Albert Einstein.
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I think I put my trust in James Murphy
just imagine that
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Shigeru Miyamoto. Pretty much every game he puts out I love. I fucking bought Nintendogs because of him. NINTENDOGS!!! I stopped playing it after a while, but when I was playing it I fell in love. Hell, I was paying more attention to it then I did my real dog.
Also Clint Eastwood because god damn do I love hearing his voice.
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Fucking Clint Eastwood. I'll forever be disappointed that I look more like a 5'8" Brendan Fraser than the man with no name.
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Really? Really?!
Yes.
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I certainly don't give George Lucas a lifetime pass, considering he already made me respect him less by making the prequels.
Which adds an interesting twist to this discussion. What if the heinous thing they did later was to ruin the amazing thing they did before?
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Don't forget Indiana Jones. That's 4 colossal failures and a few misguided shenanigans with ewok adventures et al.
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Gordon Lightfoot. He is an incredible musician and a wonderful man. He wrote some of the most important music in Canadian history and has greatly influenced a lot of musicians that I love. He's 73 and still performs despite having had a tracheotomy in 2002 and a stroke in 2006. He's a fucking master of performance. He can basically do no wrong.
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Gordon Lightfoot.
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOOs-MqDOI0)
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steve albini
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John Prine.
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Which adds an interesting twist to this discussion. What if the heinous thing they did later was to ruin the amazing thing they did before?
I think that's kind of the point of the thread, Joe.
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Don't forget Indiana Jones. That's 4 colossal failures and a few misguided shenanigans with ewok adventures et al.
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Come on man. Lucas wasn't even fully responsible for the best Star Wars movies, or many of the best things about the good Star Wars movie he directed!* The script of Empire Strikes Back, probably the best Star Wars film, is only 'based on a story' by George Lucas. THX-1138 is pretty good, and American Graffiti is ok, and I like some of the ideas behind Star Wars, but it's hard to argue that (at the very least following the success of Star Wars) George Lucas is not a raging, smug egocentric who works best when his ideas are strongly reined in and polished by other people. Literally every decision he has made since he wrapped post-production on the original Return of the Jedi has been on some level dreadful. Also, pursuant to indirect evidence from the Star Wars prequels, there are those Indiana Jones brainstorming transcripts that confirm that Lucas is almost comically racist in a very sad and ignorant way.
* Great things about the original Star Wars: special effects, sound design, music, production design, some cinematography, some performances.
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My b. I'm sorry George Lucas, your new Indy movie was great.
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Jackie Chan. He's the man. Though I'm not sure anyone is capable of undoing the magic Jackie's worked in his lifetime.
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Lucas wasn't even fully responsible for the best Star Wars movies, or many of the best things about the good Star Wars movie he directed!
You repeated exactly what I said: Lucas lay the groundwork. I won't deny the material isn't better handled by, well, anyone, but without him none of it would have been possible. Period.
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I repeated what you said, except in a way that implies Lucas to be an arsehole, not a genius.
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I never denied that, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and this isn't a personality contest.
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Dani Filth gets a lifetime pass from me. Khar and I have had many conversations about our first exposure to Cradle of Filth and we both came to the conclusion that it was basically the closest thing either of us might get to a religious experience. I first heard them in 1997, I was 11 at the time. My brother played me The Forest Whispers My Name and it was the first metal track I'd ever heard and it was just the most incredible thing I'd ever experienced. It has informed most of my aesthetic choices about myself over the years and inspired me to sing in a black metal band, something I've been doing for the last 5 years and while we're not really successful, it is one of the most important parts of my life. Dani Filth is really the only constant member of the band so really it comes down to him as he seems to have the most creative control. I've loved every album they've released thus far with the exception of Thornography which I only liked. Dani Filth could pretty much do anything and I'd forgive him for it but most likely it would be fucking rad.
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John Barrowman
#Donotjudgeme
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It's this kind of shit that led to the Reformation.
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Jackie Chan. He's the man. Though I'm not sure anyone is capable of undoing the magic Jackie's worked in his lifetime.
Oh yeah I definitely agree with that choice, and pretty much for the same reason as I brought up Bruce Campbell; his career is already based on doing every random crazy role that comes his way and we love him for it, so it's not like it would seem any different if he were to make some questionable career choices later. He's already made a bunch of shitty movies (The Medallian, the Tuxedo, etc) and I still think he's awesome. Even if he made a shitty rom-com with no martial arts in it at all* it'd still be like "oh jackie"
Now that I'm thinking along these lines, there are a few celebrities who've actually increased the respect I have for them through career moves later on. I'm thinking of guys like William Shatner, who used to be simply ridiculous buffoons but have evolved into sly commentaries about show business and celebrity culture.
*why would a studio hire him for a role that doesn't involve kicking people in the face? oh well I'm being hypothetical here
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I'm going to change tack slightly and nominate former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Keating).
I was just in here to make exactly the same post. I was reminded by a snippet in the news last night in which Mr. Keating told a reporter in Perth who was hassling him at the airport to "nick off, OK?!" Fuck I love that man.
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The Beatles. All of them.
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Except Paul
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The Beatles. All of them.
Fuck me did John Lennon need one too.
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Christopher Walken, Samuel L. Jackson, Steve Buscemi, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman.
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Nobody gets a free pass from me because I am always prepared to change my opinion of someone in the light of new information. In the case of people in the public eye, I don't pay that much attention. Those that I do get my attention are more likely to make me think less of them than more of them.
If you want, I can list people who I don't think would do anything bad artistically (or morally) but that's not the same as me giving them a free pass.
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Christopher Walken, Samuel L. Jackson, Steve Buscemi, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman.
Especially the first two.
Man, I started out thinking I wouldn't give a free pass to anyone, but I'm increasingly realize I already give a free pass to a lot of people.
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The Beatles. All of them.
Fuck me did John Lennon need one too.
That's what I was thinking when I qualified the statement with "all of them." And yeah, even though Paul's my least favorite, he gets the pass too.
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Tom Waits without a doubt.
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I'd be surprised if anybody here has heard of him, but I'll say it anyway: Andreas Thiel.
Also, Norio Wakamoto's voice.
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I was going to say Bob Pollard but then I thought about his recent output and all the suitcases and realised that everyone seems to have already given him a pass.
He probably deserves it though.
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John Darnielle, although I say without the slightest bit of hyperbole that I do not ever see him having to use it.
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John Allison.
I actually have sexy dreams about him with alarming regularity.
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for a while I thought there was no one, as my basic test was would I still respect this person on some level if they turned out to be a rasist sexist homophobic fuckstain and these oppinions started to play heavily into their work. But then I thought - Terry Pratchet, and yeah I think he could write the next five disc world novels about how the KKK came in and purified the world and that still wouldn't be enough to undo the great work he has done so far.
Give it some time and Stephen Moffat might be there too.
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John Allison. Joseph Hocking
I actually have sexy dreams about him with alarming regularity.
I wish there was a completely deadpan smiley.
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I wish I had a lifetime pass... For the D.C. Metro system. That'd be awesome.
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Norio Wakamoto's voice.
Far as voices go, Mako (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mako_Iwamatsu) had a pass with me as well, but then he went and died. I guess there's not much need for a posthumous pass, but he earned it. The way he did Aku in Samurai Jack was deliciously over the top and Uncle Iroh cheerfully stole episodes of Avatar at an alarming rate.
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John Darnielle, although I say without the slightest bit of hyperbole that I do not ever see him having to use it.
So true. The Life of the World to Come may not have been complete solid gold like some other Mountain Goats albums, but got damn it's still fucking great.
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I wish I had a lifetime pass... For the D.C. Metro system. That'd be awesome.
i paid 5 dollars for the first time last night for metro. i was incredibly upset.
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for a while I thought there was no one, as my basic test was would I still respect this person on some level if they turned out to be a rasist sexist homophobic fuckstain and these oppinions started to play heavily into their work. But then I thought - Terry Pratchet, and yeah I think he could write the next five disc world novels about how the KKK came in and purified the world and that still wouldn't be enough to undo the great work he has done so far.
Give it some time and Stephen Moffat might be there too.
This is basically also my answer, because I would probably attribute anything terrible Pratchett did at this point to Alzheimers (sigh). Except replace Moffat with Neil Gaiman.
Oh, and Margaret Atwood. At this point, she could not possibly turn me against her.
It sort of defeats the purpose of the exercise, because it's not a true lifetime pass, but my choices are based, to an extent, on the fact that I trust these people never to actually become morally awful, so I can deal with seeing them perhaps producing subpar work at some stage in the future.
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I wish I had a lifetime pass... For the D.C. Metro system. That'd be awesome.
i paid 5 dollars for the first time last night for metro. i was incredibly upset.
Yeah but the zoo is free, what else would you do in D.C.?
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Norio Wakamoto's voice.
Far as voices go, Mako (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mako_Iwamatsu) had a pass with me as well, but then he went and died. I guess there's not much need for a posthumous pass, but he earned it. The way he did Aku in Samurai Jack was deliciously over the top and Uncle Iroh cheerfully stole episodes of Avatar at an alarming rate.
I don't think he will ever need a pass since everything he did was gold. Even the alarm clock in Duck Dodgers was awesome.
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This is another posthumous example, but it is relevant because Bea Arthur actually DID very publicly support PETA, and I can't help but think that her misguided heart was somehow in the right place. Pretty much all the Golden Girls are solid in my book.
Other than that, the first person I thought of was Tom Waits, who is apparently a very obvious choice.
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I'm still amazed that Dylan hasn't been mentioned.
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Thomas or Bob?
God knows they could both use it.
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Yes.
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Henry Rollins. I am iffy about forgiving anything, but once he's done Rollins Band and I still love the dude I think he's basically covered.
What about Wartime? I would say that is much worse than Rollins band.
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Henry Rollins totally gets a pass, so much gold.
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George R.R. Martin.
I keep meaning to read those super hero novels that I forget the name of, but so far I've only found them in hardback while perusing Barnes and Noble and I'm just too lazy to look them up and order them online, and I don't want to give up my discount.
I've read somewhere (maybe on George's blog?) that they've been out of print for ages, so it's not easy to find them anywhere, especially the older ones.
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John Allison.
I actually have sexy dreams about him with alarming regularity.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/John_Allison_Representative_-_Brady-Handy.jpg/436px-John_Allison_Representative_-_Brady-Handy.jpg) ?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vt92oo5jcs&feature=related
But what about this?
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Jenny Lewis
Even "Portions For Foxes" can never make me stop loving her
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if you want the free pass to be dropped because he's made some poor artistic choices then you've sort of missed the point of a free pass, I think?
This is a very good point, but note that they were asking you a question, not making a statement. Specifically, their question was "Do you forgive him for this misstep as well?" and it appears your answer is "yes."
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Eric the politest man in the internet.
he gets my vote.
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Now Eric has a license to be the rudest man on the internet. Great.
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But he is too polite to use it.
Who's Eric?
Jens, I was just saying that I was surprised you picked Rollins band as the worst thing he has done, since I actually like some of their stuff and can't stand wartime.
And Tommy, Loose Nut and In My Head are both awesome. I don't know what you are talking about there. And he has a tendency to be the best part of the terrible movies he is in.
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Differing tastes, I guess. I see them as proto-sludge albums, just with a lot more energy than most sludge.
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But he is too polite to use it.
Who's Eric?
Jens, I was just saying that I was surprised you picked Rollins band as the worst thing he has done, since I actually like some of their stuff and can't stand wartime.
And Tommy, Loose Nut and In My Head are both awesome. I don't know what you are talking about there. And he has a tendency to be the best part of the terrible movies he is in.
*Waves*
Nice to meet you.
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Jenny Lewis
Even "Portions For Foxes" can never make me stop loving her
How is portions for foxes supposed to turn you off
I mean what about the money maker
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Idunno Anna probably because it is the single worst song written in the history of music
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how
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Steven Spielberg probably deserves one too. And Patrick Stewart and and Ian McKellan
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The latter two have already been knighted, so I'm pretty sure they're covered.
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I'm gonna say Paul Simon.
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how
I can listen to Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park straight through at least 30 times before I find that crap song palatable
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John Darnielle, although I say without the slightest bit of hyperbole that I do not ever see him having to use it.
So true. The Life of the World to Come may not have been complete solid gold like some other Mountain Goats albums, but got damn it's still fucking great.
It's had a second life with me in the past couple of weeks, and it's still revealing new facets to me. Mtn Gts albums always take a while for me to tease themselves out in full, I'm still finding myself liking tracks from The Sunset Tree more and more with each listen.
Also, to address JHo's criteria from earlier in the thread, were Darnielle to collaborate with ICP, this is possibly what we'd get
For once, when at the Frisco bay,
with Faygo and in pensive mood,
a pelican my cellphone ate
or tried to, which I thought was rude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
to recognize these mirakills.
the best ever clown makeup band outta Houston
had been down with the clown
since their grade school'd expelled them
YES
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Chris Wollard from Hot Water Music gets my pass.
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What about all those Gap adverts
I'd give Spike Jonze a lifetime pass almost entirely for his Gap ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oob5uobmcy8).
But also for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TNlj2lYwVA).
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John McCrea from CAKE
His voice is shit, his guitar playing is mediocre at best, and yet the guy could probably gas all the Kurds in northern Iraq and I'd still buy his records
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how
I can listen to Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park straight through at least 30 times before I find that crap song palatable
why
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I may have confessed this elsewhere, but I really fucking hate Portishead
Like, every time I hear them, I black out from blind rage, and when I come to, I usually have dismembered infants on my back patio, blood all over my clothes
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Who's Portishead?
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these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fBwsB6px8)
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umm...
meh.
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My thoughts exactly
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portishead sucks
bill murray rocks. My "What About Bob?" and "Groundhog's Day" marathon yesterday confirm this.
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I think i actually would give Bill Murray a pass. The man has been in "Wild Things" and fuckin "Garfield" and i don't care.
Same with Michael Caine
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Hey whoa whoa whoa whoa,
are you suggesting that being in Wild Things is something that Bill Murray should be ashamed of?
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Never seen it. But he was a Ghostbuster and that should earn him loads of credit.
Also: Kenneth Brannagh. During some other thread I came to the realisation that his Hamlet was actually brilliant enough to excuse some, if not all, of his faux pas ... ses ...
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Wild Things is Trash Done Right.
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robbie zimmerman and the living beatles (doubles as a band name)
had such strong early careers that it's hard not to forgive them for their later shit....
this is even with that x-mas shit that dylan did considered.
i'm on the fence with lou reed just because of how i feel about glam rock
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Alan Sparhawk + Justin Broadrick
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bill murray rocks. My "What About Bob?" and "Groundhog's Day" marathon yesterday confirm this.
Whore! W-H-O-R-E.
For me, it's probably Richard Feynman. Dude was a womanizer but he was brilliant.
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Oliver Reed
Robert Crumb
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Gunpei Yokoi. I mean, he's dead, but he still needs it for the Virtual Boy.
EDIT: You know what? Fuck it. Gunpei Yokoi doesn't need to apologize for shit, dead or alive. If he was still alive to this day he'd still be fucking awesome.
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robbie zimmerman and the living beatles (doubles as a band name)
had such strong early careers that it's hard not to forgive them for their later shit....
this is even with that x-mas shit that dylan did considered.
i'm on the fence with lou reed just because of how i feel about glam rock
Hey dude fuck you, Bob Dylan's released a LOT of dreck but he's still managed to continue putting out great stuff even in the last half of his career. Infidels, Oh Mercy, Time out of Mind, Love and Theft...
yeah, fuck the Christmas album, though.
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I would post "The surviving members of the Who" but then I remembered halftime at the Super Bowl
This post depresses me
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Doug Martsch
dude was cool in treepeople and halo benders, then he/built to spill put out perfect from now on and keep it like a secret, and both those albums are so awesome that i dont even care their most recent albums are meh
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Chris Wollard from Hot Water Music gets my pass.
i'll second that motion! to be fair, i'd just about give all four of the HWM guys a pass (even jason black, and he's joined senses fucking fail...), such is the awesomeness of what they achieved together, but chris has definitely had the most consistent (in quality) and varied (in style) output outside of HWM.
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Jack Black, for Orange County, High Fidelity, and Proposition 8: The Musical.
With sorrow in my heart, I forgive you for everything Tenacious D related, every bad comedy routine, Kung Fu Panda, etc.
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He also had the thankless role of Farmer in The Joke the Musical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDGoEh7jqA).
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I forgive you for everything Tenacious D related
wait
what
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(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4030/tenaciousdinthepickofde.jpg)
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the tenacious d miniseries on hbo is actually pretty great!
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sure the movies sucked but dogg you said everything tenacious d related and their first album is fucking brilliant.
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Chris Wollard from Hot Water Music gets my pass.
i'll second that motion! to be fair, i'd just about give all four of the HWM guys a pass (even jason black, and he's joined senses fucking fail...), such is the awesomeness of what they achieved together, but chris has definitely had the most consistent (in quality) and varied (in style) output outside of HWM.
Mostly I wish I had his voice. But yeah...I fucking LOVE The Draft so much.
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I forgive you Kung Fu Panda
I would kindly like to ask you to leave my internets and never come back. This is a preposterous statement on both moral and intellectual levels.
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Mostly I wish I had his voice. But yeah...I fucking LOVE The Draft so much.
Thissssss. I was actually rather sad when I heard HWM got back together because I prefer The Draft.
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R. A. Salvatore will always be a welcomed name to me. His writing is stupendous, and the messages he conveys through his characters are capable of moving mountains.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/487/000044355/salvatore-sm.jpg)
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I'm sorry man
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Mostly I wish I had his voice. But yeah...I fucking LOVE The Draft so much.
Thissssss. I was actually rather sad when I heard HWM got back together because I prefer The Draft.
i think i'd still take latter-era HWM over the draft, but "in a million pieces" was a strong start, i think if they'd carried on they could've become better than HWM.
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But, of course, no personal hero of Jens' is complete without a lame-ass Shepard Fairey print.
brandon bird's print is better -
(http://wofflings.wofflehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/chomsky.jpg)
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He also had the thankless role of Farmer in The Joke the Musical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDGoEh7jqA).
actually, i'm pretty sure the most thankless role was that of the milk machine
he misspelled professor
holy shit. i wouldn't have even given it a second look if you hadn't pointed that out. that's amazing.
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Could've been a Soviet joke that lacks subtlety.
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all this reminded me of Chomskybot (http://rubberducky.org/cgi-bin/chomsky.pl)
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i'm thinking Mike Patton oughta get a pass, on the basis of "California" and "Angel Dust" alone. i'm not going to pretend that i like EVERYTHING the guy's done (i don't, not by a long chalk), but I've always admired the guy's spirit of giving just about anything a go, musically speaking.
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Mike Patton is not GOD!
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