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Title: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 06 Nov 2010, 00:04
I've been really into this genre in the last 6 months or so.  I'm always looking for more though.  I've always loved metal primarily and rock on the side.  But now I'm trying to find good music in other genres with dubstep being the current one, of course.  A lot of Dubstep sucks, but I'm sure it's just a matter of taste.  I'm very picky with it.

If you're asking what dubstep is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJzfTZlEl40


With that said, I hope to make this a thread where people can post links to some of their favorite dubstep.  I know I won't always like the same things as the next person, but every artist name is a window to possibly more good music.

Here is some of my favorites -

Mimosa -

Sirius - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GlLXgyEbAw
Lullabyte - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZaimt55rA
Drippin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZaMTvttOAw

Flux Pavilion -
 
Cracks (Flux Pavilion Remix) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Io4wWwsmXg
R00R - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBirj7UPuFM

NiT GriT -

Invisible Monsters - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQb99K6dI1k
Prituri Se Planinata (NiT GriT Remix) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUt5mkSrnXY
12 Gauge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOQWaskgB_0

A few others -
Kill The Computer - Medicate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXubXcVU1FQ
Mt Eden - Sierra Leone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqN5yWg6ff4
Ganja White Night - Blueberry - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsoyHEZiIm0

Post yours!  Also, if there's a way to embad videos let me know...  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 06 Nov 2010, 01:44
:C
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Melodic on 06 Nov 2010, 02:12
i cannot let this stand
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 06 Nov 2010, 10:24
This is the best Flux Pavilion remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ERMFgxAh3o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ERMFgxAh3o)

no further comment.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: scarred on 06 Nov 2010, 14:13
i was waiting for kvp to barge in here all  :police: and shit

what a letdown
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Nov 2010, 15:31
I'm going to guess that this man has incorrect taste in dubstep.

Oh lawdy!
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 06 Nov 2010, 16:19
Hey come on man admit it if someone started a thread called "Industrial" and was all like "hey d00ds I love Industrial here are some of my faves" and then like ten links to Rammstein tunes you'd probably say some really mean things

Admit it man

Come on
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Alex C on 06 Nov 2010, 16:55
Poor example. Khar's actually been pretty benevolent about people's horribly misguided attempts to categorize Rammstein in the past. If I remember correctly, he likes them. Honestly, I don't blame him.

After all, here's the big arguments for and against Rammstein:

Cons: They are completely lacking in subtlety and their shows are basically a wall of flamethrowers. They are truly ridiculous.

Pros: They are completely lacking in subtlety and their shows are basically a wall of flamethrowers. They are truly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Patrick on 06 Nov 2010, 17:25
Fuck dubstep.

There, I said it.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 06 Nov 2010, 17:27
I'm going to guess that this man has incorrect taste in dubstep.

Oh lawdy!
Then correct me!
Hey come on man admit it if someone started a thread called "Industrial" and was all like "hey d00ds I love Industrial here are some of my faves" and then like ten links to Rammstein tunes you'd probably say some really mean things

Admit it man

Come on
I don't care what it's called.  It's music.  I use the word "dubstep" to communicate as a human.  I don't get into the five hundred sub-sub-subgenres you can call it.  A few months ago I would've called anything electronic-based "techno."
This is the best Flux Pavilion remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ERMFgxAh3o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ERMFgxAh3o)

no further comment.
At work atm, will watch as soon as I get home.

My point was to find good music because I know I don't have the best.  There doesn't seem to be many threads on this so I made one.
Overall: Less useless posts more videos!
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 06 Nov 2010, 17:43
I agree! I've been wondering about what dubstep is. A bunch of people here talk about it but I have no idea what it is, so, you know. Show me/us?

Here:

WOBWOBBWOBWOBWOB
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Nov 2010, 17:46
Hey come on man admit it if someone started a thread called "Industrial" and was all like "hey d00ds I love Industrial here are some of my faves" and then like ten links to Rammstein tunes you'd probably say some really mean things

Admit it man

Come on

I'd probably correct them, or at least try to broaden their understanding a little.

Provide some examples of good dubstep, and tell the dude why this stuff is different maybe? On listening to some of the tracks personally I find them to be a bit dull and maybe lacking in the kind of texture I associate with dubstep, but I am hardly an expert.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 06 Nov 2010, 19:38
I didn't really want to quote myself only a few hours after it was addressed in a different thread, but whatever.
Quote
When dubstep actually existed it was more like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPE_XvzrTs). These days it's actually more House than Garage. You don't hear many claps on the 3s or snares on the 2s and 4s from the underground.

The music in the OP is to dubstep what Five Iron Frenzy is to Jamaican ska music. It has a few musical elements in common but it's more or less entirely different. It's all sort of in the same tradition, actually. Jamaican music seeps into UK pop and when it crosses the pond that influence is sapped out of it, or worse, replaced with embarrassing minstrelry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQe4XVrJFGQ). The differences in UK grime and US hip hop also show themselves in the differences, and in my opinion at least the US variants suffer for it.

Khar, you could possibly like Cloaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05qJ98F5iq0&feature=related) or Dead Fader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8CBEtPy7o&feature=related). Actually, you might not, since I can't remember if you like Combichrist-y type stuff. It's basically Combichrist crossed with Prodigy as of 1997, minus the vocalists. So it's ridiculous aggro rave noise stuff.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Nov 2010, 21:43
I actually much preferred the first track you listed. I am pretty in to dub and old reggae/ska, ala Trojan records, so no surprises there maybe. None of those tracks sound like what I thought was dubstep, which I had assumed to be the grimy reverb-laden drum and bass type stuff with jamaican dudes shouting which pillheads in combat boots spin at some of the better house parties I've been to. That's probably something completely different though. I have never been too good at the microclassification of dance music, except that I can somehow tell the difference between newschool EBM and Futurepop, despite their being exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 07 Nov 2010, 01:34
I didn't really want to quote myself only a few hours after it was addressed in a different thread, but whatever.
Quote
When dubstep actually existed it was more like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPE_XvzrTs). These days it's actually more House than Garage. You don't hear many claps on the 3s or snares on the 2s and 4s from the underground.

The music in the OP is to dubstep what Five Iron Frenzy is to Jamaican ska music. It has a few musical elements in common but it's more or less entirely different. It's all sort of in the same tradition, actually. Jamaican music seeps into UK pop and when it crosses the pond that influence is sapped out of it, or worse, replaced with embarrassing minstrelry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQe4XVrJFGQ). The differences in UK grime and US hip hop also show themselves in the differences, and in my opinion at least the US variants suffer for it.

Khar, you could possibly like Cloaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05qJ98F5iq0&feature=related) or Dead Fader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P8CBEtPy7o&feature=related). Actually, you might not, since I can't remember if you like Combichrist-y type stuff. It's basically Combichrist crossed with Prodigy as of 1997, minus the vocalists. So it's ridiculous aggro rave noise stuff.
This is just a huge case of "Back in mah day..."  It's like the people who still love the 90s because nothing good came after (and for every other decade).  I don't call Nikelback "rock" (or w/e their name is), but I'm sure their classified as such.  But I also don't go around talking about how "Back in mah day rock was like this..."  Because I know people are going to like what they like regardless.  I also know the genres change and I simply won't follow music I don't like.

With that said, I do like the link you quoted and the last link, but the link "cloaks" is pretty aweful imo.  The link in the quote is definitely slower and more minimalistic than what I was looking for, but it's still pretty good.  It sounds like the kind of music I would listen to if I want to listen to some post rock. 

That Gold Dust song linked earlier in the thread sucks pretty bad... :\  Flux Pavilion is big time hit-or-miss for me.  Probably more miss than not.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 07 Nov 2010, 02:17
It's not so much that US Bass music is different from UK dubstep that makes it tiresome, so much that it's just one song. Not even that, just the one element, the wobble bass drop, the bigger the better. And over the few years of the scene's existence there hasn't seemed to be a single artist that's been willing to move beyond that focus, outside of Low End Theory's emphasis on Dilla-esque beat programming. Even that seems to be stagnating, recently.

There's this act called Pretty Lights that comes out of the town I live in and they have 3+ albums of a single song template, churned out over the course of maybe a year and a half. It's got that one primary focus on bass and everything else is purely incidental, which is one of those things that people tend to hate about dance music in general. It feels cheap and easy, because it really kind of is. There are a couple of reasons for this - one is that the US scene seems to be almost entirely digital in its mode of distribution, which invites problems with quality control that invariably come with that territory. It informs both the way the music is produced and presented and the way it's consumed, and the community across the pond is a lot more region- and city-based and the dialogue between artist and fan is generally less open, which seems to correlate with more risk-taking. It's also dominated by 12" singles and EPs, which lets new sounds and artists last longer without overstaying their welcome. A song will generally flit around DJ and be battle-tested in clubs for a few months prior to wider public release (Wut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pssl7RZtSUg) is a good example of this - the label had to release the song months ahead of schedule because an excerpt from an exclusive mix - the only place where the song was available - became so popular). I could probably list the number of truly good dubstep LPs on one hand. Take away Burial's Untrue and it becomes arguable that there are none. It fares better from a listener standpoint when released in small doses. A lot of dance music is like that.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: ThePianoMan on 07 Nov 2010, 09:42
No one's gonna do it? Well, I guess it'll be me, then.

Skream - Midnight Request Line
This is one of the defining tracks of dubstep--if you know dubstep, you should know this track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6pTSGvp7T8

Benga - Emotions
Benga's a classic, and this is a great example of the more melodic side of dubstep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_rCgJiXr-g

Kode 9 vs Badawi - Den of Drums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOvlNZAACY

Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo
This was a big track last year, if I recall correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY

Burial - Archangel
This is more a fringe dubstep sound--Burial broke through in a big way, but his sound is far from typical dubstep. Well worth hearing, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA

That should give you a decent start. I could really go on and on, though.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Dimmukane on 07 Nov 2010, 10:30
There's this act called Pretty Lights

I'm unabashedly a fan of these dudes, and I'm a little confused when you say they focus primarily on the bass.  I mean, they definitely do the WOMPWOMP thing, but I feel like Derek wouldn't have added a drummer if the percussion wasn't also getting some attention.  Admittedly, I don't know much about dance drummers, but that guy is not half bad.  He emulates a drum machine to a point, but isn't so mechanical that it wouldn't have made a difference whether he was in the band or not.  Maybe I'm just one the people who tries to listen to the songs as a whole instead of as club anthems...I like how he'll juxtapose some old Sam Cooke stuff with some random early-90's rap lyric, or use a sitar in those silent moments right before a breakdown.

They are kinda doing the one-song template thing this year, though.  I happen to like that template, but two years ago he had a very different sound and I'm sure that'll continue to some degree as time goes on.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 07 Nov 2010, 12:04
That Gold Dust song linked earlier in the thread sucks pretty bad... :\  Flux Pavilion is big time hit-or-miss for me.  Probably more miss than not.

Ha! That's completely mystifying. I thought the Flux Pavilion songs you linked were totally tiresome, and I think Gold Dust is great. Gold Dust is so much poppier and hookier. Whatever.

I guess as much as I appreciate that it's not the purist's dubstep, my love for noisy, abrasive shit compels me to a bunch of cheesy ass wobble dubstep. If it's got well-chopped female vocals to go with it I can't resist.

Like, this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_VFU4dKsr8) is pretty rote, but I can't really resist it in the slightest.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Dimmukane on 07 Nov 2010, 13:18
Saw this quote on that video, couldn't help but laugh:

Quote
This song is so fucking sick my dinosaur shits on me as we play in our filth we listen to this song
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 07 Nov 2010, 18:26
It's not so much that US Bass music is different from UK dubstep that makes it tiresome, so much that it's just one song. Not even that, just the one element, the wobble bass drop, the bigger the better. And over the few years of the scene's existence there hasn't seemed to be a single artist that's been willing to move beyond that focus, outside of Low End Theory's emphasis on Dilla-esque beat programming. Even that seems to be stagnating, recently.
Well, I'll admit some, if not all, of the artists I put follow the formula listed in that tutorial video.  There's only one artist so far, though, that I can say I like everything he's done and that's Mimosa.  It's his music that got me into the genre.  He doesn't seem to be the typical like NiT GriT (though I do like a lot of his stuff too).  Silver Lining (Mimosa's new stuff) was definitely not what I was expecting from him, but I still like it because it's got a relaxing feel to it.

The only thing that bothers me is how much hate there is associated with music.  Like the first few posts in this thread seemed to be offended, like I just took a shit on their car.  First of all, there's this pride that isn't associated with any accomplishment towards people's taste in music.  How does that happen?  "I like this less known music.  I'm so proud of myself."  I just love music in general but I can't be bothered with the TV and Radio because those are the truly shitty music outlets 99.9% of the time.  And secondly, like I said before, I only say "dubstep" because I never heard any official name otherwise for the music I'm describing.  I'm not trying to go out of my way to call it something it might not be.  I could've said "Hey guys I got some great country music." And used the same links, and It'd be regarded as trolling (not to mention "great country music" is an oxymoron).  If anything Dubstep could use a sub-genre split or two, because there's a huge excess of music that calls itself Dubstep out of lack of a more accurate name.

No one's gonna do it? Well, I guess it'll be me, then.

Skream - Midnight Request Line
This is one of the defining tracks of dubstep--if you know dubstep, you should know this track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6pTSGvp7T8

Benga - Emotions
Benga's a classic, and this is a great example of the more melodic side of dubstep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_rCgJiXr-g

Kode 9 vs Badawi - Den of Drums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOvlNZAACY

Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo
This was a big track last year, if I recall correctly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY

Burial - Archangel
This is more a fringe dubstep sound--Burial broke through in a big way, but his sound is far from typical dubstep. Well worth hearing, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA

That should give you a decent start. I could really go on and on, though.
I likey. :D Need less posts that don't post songs.  Edit - And "Wut" was good too :)
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 07 Nov 2010, 18:51
Aw man you were doing OK there and then

(not to mention "great country music" is an oxymoron).

fuck.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X1IWXuEbgXI/TD4bp-RjERI/AAAAAAAACkA/ctVI8OQ7Z7s/s1600/johnny+cash+lyrics.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AXhWXW1FFeA/R0wY0VLT_jI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/B2VWEdLl9HA/s400/gram_car.jpg)

(http://www.sonyatv.com/writers/images/image/Hank%20Williams.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lXhR9FR_lmE/S_3BK4t7aCI/AAAAAAAABxc/LFmX4FaTHtY/s1600/Carl_Perkins.jpg)

(http://content.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/willie_nelson.jpg)

and so on and on. Haha, next you'll say there's no great pop punk music!

P.S; the last thing electronic dance music needs is more subgenre descriptors. Oy vey es mir.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Alex C on 07 Nov 2010, 21:37
There was even a time when the heavily produced covers by lesser artists weren't complete shit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIRTtn_ZSE)
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 07 Nov 2010, 22:02
I'm going to contribute a fair amount more to this thread later, I expect, but for now I'm just going to put a few things out there:

1. When KvP said that US bass music is "all just one song" what I heard was "I haven't really bothered to get into this genre because the scene surrounding it doesn't interest me."  (This also kind of reads as "I'm really uncomfortable around people who are on lots of ecstacy.")
2. Radikal Guru and Jazzsteppa are good examples of dubstep with real flavor, and both are totally awesome and should get more attention.
3. Pretty Lights is only awesome if you enjoy great dance parties.
4. Dubstep in most of its incarnations ends up somewhat lacking if the sound system it's being played on takes up less than, say, 40 cubic feet of space.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 07 Nov 2010, 22:21
1. When KvP said that US bass music is "all just one song" what I heard was "I haven't really bothered to get into this genre because the scene surrounding it doesn't interest me."  (This also kind of reads as "I'm really uncomfortable around people who are on lots of ecstacy.")
Seriously though you can recreate Bassnectar's entire discography in 30 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pliFwbiWNbc). It's like nobody out here ever got past Skream circa 2005. It's just lazy production and a lazy sound.

If I liked everything people on ecstasy liked, I'd like psy-trance and gabber. I like my artists to put in at least a little bit of work. There are, in my experience, two brosteppers that do - Slugabed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF30BmYMgAU) and Starkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G4A-z4NiDQ), and the latter's at his best when he leads away from hip hop towards grime.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 08 Nov 2010, 14:28
You're (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cODhJ1WIgE) not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7RdDcSM_OY) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yUoV46uCmw) paying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKcjNbYy9gE) attention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zbHrlfPlk) if you think it comes down to which side of the Atlantic you're on.  There's a lot of extremely creative talent in the US, especially coming off the West coast.

But judging from the tracks you just linked to, I don't think we're working with the same criteria here.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: JD on 08 Nov 2010, 14:43
aw hell is that a new beats antique album
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: the_pied_piper on 09 Nov 2010, 10:22
You're (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cODhJ1WIgE) not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7RdDcSM_OY) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yUoV46uCmw) paying (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKcjNbYy9gE) attention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zbHrlfPlk) if you think it comes down to which side of the Atlantic you're on.  There's a lot of extremely creative talent in the US, especially coming off the West coast.

But judging from the tracks you just linked to, I don't think we're working with the same criteria here.

While all of those tracks you linked are fantastic the only one I'd call Dubstep myself is the Beats Antique one. The Eskmo to me is straight up Electronica and the others I have no idea what they'd be called but I wouldn't call them Dubstep.

I'm more inclined to agree with KvP's analysis that Dubstep has a link to Garage and Grime but then again I'm from the other side of the Atlantic so maybe that comes into it too.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 09 Nov 2010, 13:27
Ayuh, I went to see Eskmo and while bass was a big part of it his vox tips the music towards distinctly Moby-esque territory.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Clintaga on 09 Nov 2010, 15:04
Odal, dubstep is my second most favorite genre of music (post rock being my first and greatest love) and I have to admit that 95% of modern dubstep is unbearable. It does boast an impressive array of real talent, however, and its not hard to see why it fuels such massive movements so quickly: It's damn catchy, fun to dance to, and provides a much needed down-tempo alternative to fans of dark bass heavy music beyond drum & bass, psy-trance and electro-house. Dubstep is the "Doomy Sludge Metal" of electronica (or has the capacity to be) and there are tons of great places to start if you really want to sink your teeth into it.

Great UK Dubstep Pioneers:

(http://dubstepsource.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/benga-chemical-compound.jpg)
Benga (Diary of an Afro Warrior is a must have dubstep album, IMO):
26 Basslines (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4D-hCO8Y2k)
Pleasure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFMO956uwpc)

(http://wompwobbles.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/skream-3.jpg)
Skream:
Nemesis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c03xwivGfmo&feature=related)
Dutch Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYbjen1P1nk&feature=related)

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/collective/dnaimages/gallery/2/dubstep/5.jpg)
Distance (My personal favorite dubstep producer working right now):
Fallen (Vex'd Remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvANW7mliBQ)
Traffic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUyscDT-n-Y)

(http://www.stoneyroads.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/l_1954e3efc6f14a02a0d1381bdcb002ce1.jpg)
Rusko (In contention with Bassnectar and Mimosa as the top touring dubstep producer right now, Live shows are 50/50 split between balls to the walls or blase'):
Raver's Special (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LobSS8oSXVU) (This song is so utterly groovy I can't deal)
William H. Tonkers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8HAmXLD8Mg)

and I couldn't drop a UK All Stars Mega Post without

(http://rcrdlbl.com/files/rblog_images/herve.jpg)
Burial (http://Burial):
U Hurt Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AN-PxS-LAk) (I have been listening to this song for three years and it is still hauntingly beautiful)
Prayer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o97FP3omfp4&feature=related)

These five DJs, as you can see for yourself, range from atmospheric chill out tunes with tight spooky snares and weird whistling/rustling effects to the grittiest and grimiest of wobble and womp. Traffic by Distance sports one of my top three drops in any dubstep track ever, and Skream has a back catalog of almost a hundred dubstep tracks, and many of them feature distinct takes on wobble bass and drumstep, with lots of really exciting tidbits in them.

I love many of the more recent djs, and only one or two of my many favorite dubstep songs even made it into this post, but these five offer a lot of great albums to start with.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 09 Nov 2010, 16:37
Raver's Special is the fucking tits. Nothing can dissuade me of this. I heard that song first in like March or April or something and I'm still not over it.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Rizzo on 09 Nov 2010, 17:50
Posting so I can come back and listen to some of this noise later.

Dubstep strikes me as one of those classic genres that popular exposure ruined.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: E. Spaceman on 09 Nov 2010, 20:53
I've never liked dubstep! Something about it has never quite clicked for me though there is no reason in paper why it shouldn't.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: pinkpiche on 10 Nov 2010, 00:55
Thank you Clintaga for mentioning Distance! That's all I needed... Take a look at this though:

Ikonika - Smuck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuPk-ZqXJ7M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuPk-ZqXJ7M)

Hecq - Sura http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGroPd-IjY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGroPd-IjY)

James Blake - CMYK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQoQirZwxE4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQoQirZwxE4)

James Blake - Air and Lack Thereof http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEXpbCMxc0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vEXpbCMxc0&feature=related)

Joy Orbison - Hyph Mngo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY&feature=related)

My favourite tho is definitely Distance.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Harun on 10 Nov 2010, 21:09
I think Magnetic Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93AU5IkvDPY) should be mentioned in this thread. Artwork+Benga+Skream.  Dubstep's first super group?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 10 Nov 2010, 21:26
In that all the principal characters were famous before the group formed? Sure.

Personally I think they're more Audioslave than... what was a good rock supergroup? Crosby / Stills / Nash / Young?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: pinkpiche on 11 Nov 2010, 01:18
Yeah they're not THAT exciting. I would like to see them live though..
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 11 Nov 2010, 01:28
Trying to think of good rock supergroups, now. The New Pornographers, maybe?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Nov 2010, 05:11
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. The Glove. Cream. Arguably Heaven and Hell. Shitloads of metal bands.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 11 Nov 2010, 10:38
Shrinebuilder
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Nov 2010, 12:47
S.O.D.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 11 Nov 2010, 15:27
Does it still count as a supergroup if not all of the members were famous/known at all before the group's formation?

Also: Down, Kingdom of Sorrow, Ayreon (sorta!)

PRE-EDIT EDIT:
In that all the principal characters were famous before the group formed? Sure.

yeah
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: SWOON! at My Gravitas on 11 Nov 2010, 17:43
USBM supergroup Twilight is pretty good, though every guy involved in it has made better music on their own
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 13 Nov 2010, 08:47
Does it still count as a supergroup if not all of the members were famous/known at all before the group's formation?

If it does, there are scenes so incestuous (Norwegian BM and Swedish DM come to mind) that like 50% of the bands are supergroups.

An unlikely supergroup that I kind of enjoyed was Scum, which had members of Amen, Emperor and Turbonegro.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2010, 09:11
I'd say Noise By Numbers, but Danny Vapid plays in every band ever.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 13 Nov 2010, 13:13
What about Drive Like Jehu/Pitchfork/Hot Snakes/Rocket From The Crypt/and so on and on and on?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2010, 13:54
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. The Glove. Cream. Arguably Heaven and Hell. Shitloads of metal bands.

Speaking of Clapton, how about John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, Blind Faith, and Derek and the Dominoes?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 18 Nov 2010, 20:18
Martin Clark over at P4k wraps up the year nicely (http://pitchfork.com/features/grime-dubstep/7901-grime-dubstep/) and gives a pretty unfuckwithable and comprehensive lay of the land within the grime/dubstep/funky areas. Every recommendation he gives is a good one.

The pertinent passage:
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Dubstep has never been bigger. American R&B superstars know what it is and its DJs, like Chef and Plastician, play to massive audiences, like the 30,000 people at their Exit Festival sets. Their school friends Benga and Skream took it live to festivals as Magnetic Man and had UK hits. Skream was invited to Buckingham Palace. The genre had its own first lady, Katy B. Rusko collaborated with Britney. Seal wasn't too sure about the genre, but the fact that he'd even heard of it was insane. Very little seemed impossible anymore for the genre that began as a small collection of friends from Croydon who DJed together once a month in east London ten years ago that no one wanted to know about. Now dubstep is one of the default dance music of choice for say, the west coast of America, or Friday night out at a superclub in London.

On the flipside, "dubstep," in what it means to its new found mass audience, has never been more dumbed down or formulaic. If someone finds dubstep for the first time by typing it into YouTube, they find mostly brostep idiocy by people who had no part in building the scene nor brought any original ideas with them when they arrived. In 2006, the tipping point year for dubstep, Loefah said in a documentary one of the reasons dubstep needed to be built was because the genres near it had become "formula-ed." Four years later, large parts of dubstep are now fully "formula-ed."

After a period of dysfunctional relationship, in 2010 there's been an amicable divorce between those artists who make "dubstep" and those who believed in its spirit of bass, experimentation, and reduced boundaries, and both parties are much happier for it. Those who it is most concerning for, however, are the increasingly smaller number of dubstep artists who have stuck to their guns, working on interesting dark music at around 140bpm, without making wobble.
Also Scientist is releasing a curated dubstep comp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZ6R7fEc2g), which is sure to be legit.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 29 Nov 2010, 21:11
Couldn't resist the pagebreak.

(http://i.imgur.com/zt5TW.jpg)
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: edwinalink on 30 Nov 2010, 01:36
 :mrgreen:I listened to every track posted in this thread and I still don't really get "WHAT" Dubstep is.

I'm going to go hide in some Triphop and pretend its still edgy. KTHNXBAI.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 30 Nov 2010, 05:18
This is basically just the emo argument all over again and whatever it's a lost cause let people listen to what sounds good, if they wanna call wobblehouse dubstep and never get on benga and distance and burial and whatever that's their call.


Blackdownsoundboys blog is pretty good, btw. Used to follow it when I was psyched on this shit. Still waiting to get my homies psyched on UK Funky but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 30 Nov 2010, 13:05
Night Slugs just released their first compilation, if that doesn't do it nothing will.

Blackdown's the P4k writer, yeah? I think I follow him on Twitter.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: ThePianoMan on 05 Dec 2010, 21:27
:mrgreen:I listened to every track posted in this thread and I still don't really get "WHAT" Dubstep is.

I'm going to go hide in some Triphop and pretend its still edgy. KTHNXBAI.
UK bass music, usually (read: always) at 140 bpm. It's splintered into a million unrelated forms by now, but the original idea was that you had a tension between the high tempo and the half-time ("dubby") feel, and that you'd have really heavy basslines, often with a "wobbly" bass sound. Listen to some Skream tracks and you'll get the idea.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: edwinalink on 05 Dec 2010, 23:36
^ that actually helped, thank you!
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 06 Dec 2010, 03:07
This is basically just the emo argument all over again and whatever it's a lost cause let people listen to what sounds good, if they wanna call wobblehouse dubstep and never get on benga and distance and burial and whatever that's their call.
Yeah, I agree.  I like "wobblehouse dubstep" AND the "real" dubstep, thanks in big part to the contributors in this thread.  I'm still very selective with it, as I still haven't found many artists that I can say I like all of their stuff, but I don't really care about that, much.  I still have a lot more to check out just in this thread.

Thank you to those who have posted stuff.  <3
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Vuk on 06 Dec 2010, 16:08
My friend made me listen to Skrillex, and I actually kind of enjoyed it. Catchy as hell.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 07 Dec 2010, 22:54
P4k has a documentary on the origins of UK dbstp up this week only (http://pitchfork.com/tv/#/episode/2527-bass-weight/1).
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: alexaub on 28 Dec 2010, 18:28
My friend made me listen to Skrillex, and I actually kind of enjoyed it. Catchy as hell.
Ok I've been following this forum for a while to see if Skrillex would be brought up. I want opinions.

Frontman from the late-to-the-game post-hardcore screamo band From First To Last (Sonny Moore) comes late to the game to the wobblehouse scene and starts becoming wildly popular.

But what do the "music people" think of Skrillex?

Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 28 Dec 2010, 20:26
I think his music is tedious and dull, and besides I tend to look askance at acts who are earnest and open about making electronic music with rock signifiers and strictures - If the Prodigy couldn't pull that off in '97 it's pretty much impossible to do these days. Skrillex's most obvious (and acknowledged) influence is Justice, natch.

I don't care what the dude looks like, but a lot of people seem to (this is the guy (http://www.headzwillrollnyc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/skrillex.jpg), for those wondering).

Really the worst thing is that when you're making ridiculously aggressive electro like Skrillex you really ought to have a sense of humor about it (see: VSnares) but I haven't been able to detect anything like that in any of the tracks I've been subjected to.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Professor Snuggles on 28 Dec 2010, 23:49
James Blake:

Awesome electronic music, or dubstep, or awesome dubstep.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 28 Dec 2010, 23:53
Pretty good electronic music. He seems to be primarily labeled as "post-dubstep" but that could apply to just about anyone these days, so I just take it to mean that his sensibility is fairly distinctive (minimalist R&B + Burial-ish voice manipulation = ?). You don't see a lot of electronic singer-songwriters these days.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 29 Dec 2010, 11:01
Skrillex is more or less the height of trashy wobblehouse and not very interesting, but that said i wouldn't be offended or aghast if i found myself unknowingly dancing to his shit at a party

James Blake is just great. It's not every day a great producer comes on the scene who can actually sing, and well. Fun-fact: some silly fuck tagged him as "post-genre" on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Insignificant on 15 Jan 2011, 11:20
So... Not precisely dubstep, but how does anyone feel about Kevin Martin (The Bug)?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 18 Jan 2011, 11:11
The Bug is dubstep. He's arguably the progenitor of the genre going back into the late 90's.

He's very good.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: ALoveSupreme on 18 Jan 2011, 12:11
You don't see a lot of electronic singer-songwriters these days.

I am experiencing similar confusion others share in this genre, but really, really like what James Blake I have heard (someone was kind enough to put his stuff in last years M/F thread).  I also just started listening to edIT which is pretty cool, but seems to fall in the "no one is really being clear on if it is dub or some other kind of electronic music" thing I have been coming across which makes this a verry difficult style of music to really "break into"/"get into."
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 18 Jan 2011, 14:14
I think edIT is considered glitch or "glitch-hop". He's part of the Glitch Mob, so.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: edwinalink on 18 Feb 2011, 01:51
I'm flipping in love with Skrillex.

I can tell its a tad goofy.

but I tend to go for that.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Rizzo on 07 Mar 2011, 04:45
I got introduced to Skrillex and Skream at the same time. I think... I think I might be over electronic music guys. I think I might have had enough.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: nufan on 07 Mar 2011, 08:54
If you like Mount Kimbie, I suggest Sepalcure. Suprsingly they're American, but they're really very good and very reminiscient of Mount Kimbie. Yesterday I put their two current EP's in the M/F thread, and they're both ace.

Lately I've mostly been listening to Shackleton, Ramadanman, Kode9, Mala and others who I guess are the progenitors of the scene and who now live on dubsteps outer fringes. Also found out about XLR8R (http://www.xlr8r.com/) and their podcasts, which are pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: JD on 07 Mar 2011, 08:56
I listened to skrillex for the first time last friday. It was really boring.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 08 Mar 2011, 12:14
I got introduced to Skrillex and Skream at the same time. I think... I think I might be over electronic music guys. I think I might have had enough.

It's okay, man. Just take your taste inclinations for what they are. I've felt this way about rock music for at least a year now.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Lupercal on 09 Mar 2011, 09:55
To be fair I think Jungle will have some sort of revival now that dubstep has sort of been everywhere and back again at least twice.

At least thats what my Indian dubstep-lover housemate tells me. I just hear a good track every so often. I'm pretty oblivious to it all really. Apart from actual dub, like De Facto.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: ThePianoMan on 09 Mar 2011, 15:43
To be fair I think Jungle will have some sort of revival now that dubstep has sort of been everywhere and back again at least twice.

At least thats what my Indian dubstep-lover housemate tells me. I just hear a good track every so often. I'm pretty oblivious to it all really. Apart from actual dub, like De Facto.
I mean, Zombie and Skream have been going in that direction a little. I don't think it'll get a full-fledged revival, though--Dubstep's recent surge of popularity in America feels like a death rattle, to me at least.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 09 Mar 2011, 16:00
Dubstep of the Deep Medi-standard sort has been on the wane for years. Jungle... probably won't be back, as a scene, but dnb in general has been threaded through dubstep variants for awhile now (Autonomic / Exit / Nonplus records, etc.) Actual jungle, I wouldn't discount it coming back (dance music is like broadway - lots of revivals) but not in the near future.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 23 Mar 2011, 01:42
New Burial out this Monday (http://bleep.com/index.php?page=release_details&releaseid=29025).
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: JediBendu on 23 Mar 2011, 12:30
People are listening to "dubstep" still? I got finagled into going to a Bassnectar show last summer and even the ecstasy couldn't stop me from thinking dubstep was fucked.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: scarred on 23 Mar 2011, 12:36
wub wub wub wub
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 23 Mar 2011, 13:38
People are listening to "dubstep" still? I got finagled into going to a Bassnectar show last summer and even the ecstasy couldn't stop me from thinking dubstep was fucked.
(Bassnectar is not dubstep)
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 23 Mar 2011, 15:37
wub wub wub wub

waaaaaaaaoh-wu-wu-wub?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: scarred on 23 Mar 2011, 16:21
Guess I Got My Badger Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtcqfQNd2Y&feature)

wub wub wub wub waaaaaoohh-BSHHHHH wubwub wub wub
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 24 Mar 2011, 10:51
The people behind Weebl and Bob want to make sure we know that wobbls is easy.

SWAGGGGGGgggggggguhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: JediBendu on 24 Mar 2011, 10:57
(Bassnectar is not dubstep)

That is my point. Literally every single person who told me to go told me I was going to a dubstep show, people were there wearing "Southwest Dubstep" shirts (whatever that fucking means) and my friend who likes dance music asked me when I got back "so were you disappointed when it wasn't dubstep at all?"

The label has disintegrated and become meaningless, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: De_El on 24 Mar 2011, 11:26
That doesn't delegitimize music that is good and may be called "dubstep." It might to people who are easily confused by genre terms, but if you're enough enamored with the sound, it shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. There are other cues beyond genre that people can use to see if they're going to like various artists, and there are ways of knowing whether or not a "dubstep" artist is going to be worthwhile or just skronky nonsense.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KharBevNor on 24 Mar 2011, 12:26
Now you guys know how I feel when someone claims The Dillinger Escape Plan are metal.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: ThePianoMan on 24 Mar 2011, 16:00
Really digging this Original Face tune Blackdown's been caning. Hadn't heard of the guy before now, but it's pretty damned good.

http://soundcloud.com/original-face/king-of-the-stars
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: JediBendu on 24 Mar 2011, 21:03
That doesn't delegitimize music that is good and may be called "dubstep." It might to people who are easily confused by genre terms, but if you're enough enamored with the sound, it shouldn't be too much of a hindrance. There are other cues beyond genre that people can use to see if they're going to like various artists, and there are ways of knowing whether or not a "dubstep" artist is going to be worthwhile or just skronky nonsense.

It certainly doesn't delegitimize anything that's already been made, but it seems to me there comes a point when the label means less and the direction of the music that is referred to in a certain way loses its relation to the original meaning. Dubstep is the fastest that I've ever known that to happen to a genre, but it seems that it has.

When everybody calls something dubstep, and then someone goes to a "dubstep" show and is totally confused, then there is obviously a problem in the genre. And myself, I'd just as soon forget about it as a confused and frustrating genre than invest more time and money into it. Certainly living in the South the "dubstep" around me is going to tend to be the skronky nonsense, and to separate the wheat from the chaff is something I have very little interest in. Especially when the most basic and simple communication about what in general something is (the genre label) is intrinsically flawed.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 31 Mar 2011, 13:19
lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8JjE2AoeRg&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Apr 2011, 19:57
Sometimes youtube comments are good

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@theosirisconcept dubstep has been dead since people started thinking that music like this is actually dubstep
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Odal on 04 Apr 2011, 02:53
Reminds me of this vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmNN3jj6WM) I saw a few weeks ago.  The top comment at the time was something like:

"More of a parody of dubstep than of the actual song"

I've never heard the original and thanks to that vid, I probably never will.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: McTaggart on 05 Apr 2011, 03:17
Yeah there's so much crap on youtube like that that I'm starting to think there is a DonkDJ for Dubstep somewhere that people are just feeding every new video that gets posted on youtube.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 05 Apr 2011, 08:08
Huh, that does explain things.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 15 Apr 2011, 14:22
FILTHY BRO (http://www.spin.com/articles/premiere-hot-korn-track-feat-skrillex)

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5386/dboui.png)

DUBSTEP SUPREMACY
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 15 Apr 2011, 14:24
The inevitable, epochal watershed moment of American bass music, right there.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Akima on 17 Apr 2011, 17:06
DUBSTEP SUPREMACY
I am depressed by the certainty that those guys practice their posing in front of a mirror. A mirror covered with saliva and tongue-marks. There is something about Skrillex that makes me want to hurt him.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Kwaping on 18 Apr 2011, 09:28
I think Magnetic Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93AU5IkvDPY) should be mentioned in this thread. Artwork+Benga+Skream.  Dubstep's first super group?

Speaking of which, their new album is streaming for free this week...

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/spinner#/8
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 29 Apr 2011, 20:42
First time it happens I have a lot of sympathy and am all "shit that really sucks"

Second time it happens (http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/skrillex_sonny_moore_has_laptops_stolen_containing_new_album/), you're a stupid chode

Listen guys, if you're a musician who does all your work digitally, back your shit up. It is not hard, really. Especially if you're selling out shows all over the place like this dumbass is.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 14:56
Interviews I've read paint him as a regular-seeming dude. But leaving all assets of your new album on one laptop? And leaving it in a hotel room on tour? After you've already had one album/laptop package nicked within a year? Not smart.

He also lost an official Lady Gaga remix entitled "Died This Way", which is perfect.
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Gridgm on 01 May 2011, 15:58
he said two hard drives as well in that report so i assume that it was backed up on those ...the only reason i could think of for not having it backed up at home or something would be he's done the whole thing on tour
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 17:20
Still, not much use in keeping your backups with your originals (for theft loss prevention, anyway. Data corruption, it makes sense). Redundancies!
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: KvP on 04 May 2011, 18:32
(http://i.imgur.com/O9tlH.png)

I totally feel you bro
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: edwinalink on 05 May 2011, 01:48
...aloud? really?
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Patrick on 09 May 2011, 04:23
he said two hard drives as well in that report so i assume that it was backed up on those ...the only reason i could think of for not having it backed up at home or something would be he's done the whole thing on tour

Dude, there's this shit called "internets" or something where they've figured out how to harness the power of magic and you can send files from one computer to another without using floppies

Feels like we're in the year One Million doesn't it
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: Gridgm on 09 May 2011, 17:38
yeah but if it's original work it's probably being done as a wav file have you ever tried uploading an 8gb file to the interewebs?

*EDIT*
oh dear god i'm defending skrillex
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: RoseLeFee on 13 Jun 2012, 12:07
I don't know if anyone will see this, it's kind of a dead thread now. But I just wanted to post. Personally, I love dubstep, or at least what I call dubstep. It's a branch of electronic music that to me is usually more rock than pop. I like Daft Punk, who are pretty much their own genre, The Glitch Mob, Deadmau5, and other electronic bands. But Dubstep wise, I do like Some Skrillex songs, I love Nero, who is a bit all over, and some great remixes like KDrew's remix of Gotye's Somebody I Used To Know.

Here are some links:
KDrew Somebody I Used To Know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxqh4soP_4U

Nero Promises, all their stuff is great, though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDikI2hTtk

Swedish House Mafia has some great stuff too (not necessarily dubstep), like 'One (Your Name)'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkQ5rEJaTmk
Title: Re: Dubstep
Post by: HappyHavoc on 28 Mar 2013, 16:33
EPIC DUBSTEP!
 
Excision-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjKzV9gl490

Datsik-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP97EFPVOaY

Skream-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlfDYzEb9jU

Just because I love death metal doesn't mean I can love dubstep as well