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Title: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 07 Nov 2010, 10:06
And here we go! Two weeks to strip 1.8k!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 07 Nov 2010, 10:34
At least Jeph gets to sleep at home during NEWW, and so there's hope of a non-filler comic. 

Of course, between the pub crawls and most of the rest of the NEWW crowd sleeps at his place too, maybe not!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 07 Nov 2010, 11:08
Not hoping for a full week of Yelling Bird, Carl-E?  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 07 Nov 2010, 11:32
I always thought a minibook of filler character adventures would be a neat convention item. Shelby included.

But I don't think it's gonna be Marigold/Tai, it's going to be everyone else TALKING about Marigold and Tai.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: westrim on 07 Nov 2010, 22:28
NO, ME WANT COMIC NOW!  :evil:

Seriously jeph, it's okay. Don't be so submissive, at least not out of the bedroom.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Olymander on 07 Nov 2010, 22:29
*looks around carefully to make sure Jeph isn't around*

No comic?  RRRRAAAAAGGGEEEE!!!!!

Ok, I'm better now.

More seriously, if he pokes his head in, or someone here reports to him, take your well-deserved rest.  Better that we suffer minor interruptions in our schedulle than major ones.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dragon28 on 07 Nov 2010, 22:44
Cutest cat drawing ever!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ysth on 07 Nov 2010, 22:47
What a hat!
I like it!
I like
that party hat!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Olymander on 07 Nov 2010, 22:51
*mumble*  And now all the mention of the cat reminds me of how much I miss Mieville.  >.>
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: redragon5000 on 07 Nov 2010, 23:20
He looks so happy with his little hat.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 08 Nov 2010, 01:53
Cats in silly hats are always acceptable to me.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 08 Nov 2010, 02:01
Cat. Hat. In French, Chat, Chapeau.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Oh dear on 08 Nov 2010, 03:08
What a hat!
I like it!
I like
that party hat!

Good-by
Good-by

I was going to say it was not acceptable, but then there was a cute cat! With a funny hat!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 08 Nov 2010, 03:11
How about a poll on how long it will take for someone to use that cute cat as an avatar?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Nov 2010, 03:19
Why do you think it hasn't happened?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 08 Nov 2010, 03:23
Boom.




Kneel before the Grave.*





*please don't kill me I promise never to call myself this again
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 08 Nov 2010, 03:24
Why do you think it hasn't happened?
It's still early in the morning?  (At least in the US.)
Wait, do you mean someone's already used it as an avatar, or someone's already created a poll?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 08 Nov 2010, 03:26
Ahh, I see I suffer from Central-Time-Zone-ism.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Nov 2010, 03:32
Wait, do you mean someone's already used it as an avatar

Everyone sees my avatar differently; try reloading it a few times.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 08 Nov 2010, 06:43
At least the cat doesn't have a gigantic boner...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: maddness on 08 Nov 2010, 06:49
This is Boner Cat's lady friend.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 08 Nov 2010, 07:08
Oddly enough, I don't recall 'Boner Cat' in Old Possum's list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Possum%27s_Book_of_Practical_Cats)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: maddness on 08 Nov 2010, 07:24
Oddly enough, I don't recall 'Boner Cat' in Old Possum's list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Possum%27s_Book_of_Practical_Cats)

Possibly a relation of Rum Tum Tugger ...   :angel:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 08 Nov 2010, 11:50
Awright. Jeph is awake and drawing!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/qc-show

I was worried I'd be into full-on withdrawal symptoms soon...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 08 Nov 2010, 12:33
Hey, 1791 is up!

Wow, awkwardness ensues...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dliessmgg on 08 Nov 2010, 12:35
oh geez marigold what are you doinggggg  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: LeoMacPack on 08 Nov 2010, 12:37
 :psyduck: I am not seeing the new comic.  Am I the only one?   Never Mind.  Some kind of weird caching this at work.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tau534 on 08 Nov 2010, 12:38
Try refreshing the page
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: DJ OMiY on 08 Nov 2010, 12:38
Holy cow, Tai really got the burn there.  Judging from her facial expression, It's hard to tell exactly how harshly she reacted to that.

And Marigold is as oblivious as ever.  That struck me as a little odd too.  Marigold was quite sharp on the innuendo Angus was throwing around before... why isn't she picking up on it at all now?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 08 Nov 2010, 12:42
The Goddess of Cluelessness.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: emikoala on 08 Nov 2010, 12:54
Jeph made Marigold hurt Tai's feelings just to piss off all the people who were worried about Tai hurting Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mickcheese on 08 Nov 2010, 12:58
Ouch.

Poor Tai.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: MightionNY on 08 Nov 2010, 13:10
I read this comic and immediately thought of that scene in Star Trek VI where that torpedo goes completely through the Enterprise's hull.

Now that I think about it, does Marigold even know that Tai is a lesbian?  I don't see her last line happening if she did know that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Tobimaro on 08 Nov 2010, 13:10
Looks like Tai is not going to be getting any tonight.  Harsh buzz!   :cry:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: laizeohbeets on 08 Nov 2010, 13:11
Awkwaaaaard again.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 13:19
Now that I think about it, does Marigold even know that Tai is a lesbian?  I don't see her last line happening if she did know that.

Wanting to make out with her was probably a clue.

Still, I think what's going through Marigold's head is "she knows I'm straight; she's just kidding around."
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Jerein on 08 Nov 2010, 13:25
We can see Marigold's tummy in panel 3!

And there is still a chance of mischievous marigold makeouts, she just needs to realize that Tai's actually offering and not being hypothetical.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 08 Nov 2010, 13:31
Blam! Boom! Eeeeeeeeooow! Crumpooom! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J5SrhjNQ5g)

And not a hint of a smile from Marigold. I think she's still clueless.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mickcheese on 08 Nov 2010, 13:31
We can see Marigold's tummy in panel 3!

And there is still a chance of mischievous marigold makeouts, she just needs to realize that Tai's actually offering and not being hypothetical.
What makes you think Tai would still be interested at this point?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Coco on 08 Nov 2010, 13:41
Wanting to make out with her was probably a clue.

Still, I think what's going through Marigold's head is "she knows I'm straight; she's just kidding around."
Poor Mari just thinks her meaning (that she's not desparate enough to switch teams) is so obvious that it never occurred to her she is implying that Tai is ineffable un-f-able uneffable. I'll let Jeph off the hook for this one because it is something I would say. Though I would have picked up on it after Tai's response. And would then have engaged in embarrassed rambling that would only serve to make the awkward grow in power.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: TadPrime on 08 Nov 2010, 13:44
See, I was expecting something more like "Marigold/Tai, week II - Marigold goes motorboating"
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Nov 2010, 13:45
Now that I think about it, does Marigold even know that Tai is a lesbian?  I don't see her last line happening if she did know that.

Faye: "Marigold has no idea, does she?"  

Dora:  "Nope."
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 13:52
She didn't mean "no idea Tai is a lesbian."
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mickcheese on 08 Nov 2010, 13:53
She didn't mean "no idea Tai is a lesbian."
She might have.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Ferahgo the Assassin on 08 Nov 2010, 14:17
I don't get why Tai is offended. Obviously Marigold is not a lesbian. Why would a lesbian be offended that a straight person doesn't want to make out with them?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Nov 2010, 14:25
I don't get why Tai is offended.

Not offended; just startled at being rebuffed so comprehensively, partly because she, by her nature, tends to think of gay as being as normal as straight, or even more so (like many in this forum, it seems).
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Somebody on 08 Nov 2010, 14:25
Holy cow, Tai really got the burn there.  Judging from her facial expression, It's hard to tell exactly how harshly she reacted to that.
I watched a bit of the ustream, and Tai looked terrified at the blue-line "pencils" stage - her expression/body-language was toned down at the end.

I don't get why Tai is offended. Obviously Marigold is not a lesbian. Why would a lesbian be offended that a straight person doesn't want to make out with them?
She just got "if we were the last humans on Earth, I'd be trying to start a family with Baldrick"-ed. That goes beyond "being shot down" (which she must be used to when she finds out a girl is straight) and straight into what she sees as "I hate you", especially since Marigold so obviously isn't joking around
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 08 Nov 2010, 14:31
JEEZUS MARIGOLD WAY TO SHUT A PIMP DOWN  :|
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 08 Nov 2010, 14:33
Where's Momo when Social Interpretation Protocol is so much needed?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 08 Nov 2010, 14:36
Where's Momo when Social Interpretation Protocol is so much needed?

You are telling me. MOMO, YOU ARE FAILING IN YOUR ROBOT DUTIES. STOP FANTASIZING ABOUT SVEN AND GET OUT HERE.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: reicreature on 08 Nov 2010, 14:40
See the proper response on Marigold's part would have been something along the lines of: "Ha ha, Yeah too bad I'm straight" or something of that ilk. Instead she responds in a way that is while honest on her part, incredibly hurtful in that it implies that making-out with Tai would be an act of desperate last resort.
So, Tai gets the reminder that her sexuality is "wrong" but also that there is something wrong with HER own attractiveness. Instead of just getting shot down with the "I'm straight" reply (disappointing) she gets "I'm straight and you're gross" which is far far more painful.

I'm sure Marigold didn't mean it that way, it probably just didn't occure to her that it was insensative.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 08 Nov 2010, 14:44
I swear when I put up my cat icon pwhodges' icon looked like it did before. I guess I didn't refresh the page or something. Anyway uh....yeah.  :oops:

I'm guessing the next comic is Marigold getting super-flustered and apologizing for the inadvertent burn. Marigold doesn't seem mean-spirited enough to mean it the way Tai thinks she does. I hope Tai gives her a chance to explain and doesn't storm out all pissed off.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Nov 2010, 14:50
I swear when I put up my cat icon pwhodges' icon looked like it did before.

My avatar is a call to a routine on my server* that delivers a random image from a list of over 20 - so each time you refresh it, it changes, and each person may be seeing a different one at the same time; it is meant to confuse or intrigue, depending on your nature.  So when I added the cat, you still had only a 5% chance of seeing it right then.

* For the technically minded, this is done by the following lines in my Apache config:
RewriteMap AviFile rnd:C:/WebPages/cassland.org/html/images/Avatars/AviList.txt
RewriteRule /images/QCavi.jpg /images/Avatars/${AviFile:QClist}.jpg

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 08 Nov 2010, 14:55
Ah. Well played, sir.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: The Duke on 08 Nov 2010, 15:36
She didn't mean "no idea Tai is a lesbian."
She might have.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: LeeC on 08 Nov 2010, 15:39
I wonder what Marigold's reaction will be when she goes back to CoD and Dora asks for details.

We've all had foot in mouth syndrome at one time or another.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mad Cat on 08 Nov 2010, 15:42
Seems pretty clear to me that not only did Marigold not know that Tai's a lesbian, but apparently, Tai was unclear on the fact that Marigold's straight.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Apparently, we also have a failure to consummate... effectuate... or indeed initiate proper make outs.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ChippyD on 08 Nov 2010, 15:42
See the proper response on Marigold's part would have been something along the lines of: "Ha ha, Yeah too bad I'm straight" or something of that ilk. Instead she responds in a way that is while honest on her part, incredibly hurtful in that it implies that making-out with Tai would be an act of desperate last resort.
So, Tai gets the reminder that her sexuality is "wrong" but also that there is something wrong with HER own attractiveness. Instead of just getting shot down with the "I'm straight" reply (disappointing) she gets "I'm straight and you're gross" which is far far more painful.

I'm sure Marigold didn't mean it that way, it probably just didn't occure to her that it was insensative.

You're not remember that Tai is a stranger to Marigold. Marigold has no idea that Tai is gay, or interested. It's pretty obvious, considering every single come-on and inuendo Tai slips into the conversation flies RIGHT over her head.

Now, I have a lot of background with girls that are like Marigold. What Marigold is reading Tai's comment as is a sympathy, even pitty statement from Tai. Loads of girls in my social circle (I am a gay man, so I infiltrate female minds for my straight guy nerd friends) often make comments of "I'll totally marry you if we're single when we're older," or "I would totally date you if I was gay." Marigold comes from a counterculture where sexual preference doesn't really make that big a deal. It's obvious, given the subject of her writing, that she has no problem with same sex couples. She probably just has never had any contact with a lesbian before.

So really this is just situation of intent being lost in translation. Marygold interprets Tai as saying "Awww, I'd totally go for you, if we were gay," a comment Marigolde probably hears 50 times a day online.

Tai is making the blunder by assuming that Marygold is aware that she's hitting on her. If she had known Marygold's background, she'd know she's incredibly sheltered and inexperienced with flirting.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Jerein on 08 Nov 2010, 16:13
We can see Marigold's tummy in panel 3!

And there is still a chance of mischievous marigold makeouts, she just needs to realize that Tai's actually offering and not being hypothetical.
What makes you think Tai would still be interested at this point?

Mari: "Oh you meant you actually wanted to...with me...?  Oh....OH!  I'm -so- sorry!" *blushing furiously*

Tai: "It's okay, I wasn't sure if you were into that kindof thing, I thought you knew about me and my promiscuous ways."

Mari: "Well, I knew -of- them but I didn't know you meant...well..."

*commence kissy noises*
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Insectile on 08 Nov 2010, 16:16
Marigold loves slash fanfiction but I don't think she ever considered swinging that way

Besides I don't think Jeph will draw a lasting same gender couple in his comic, so far Tai has only been in large orgies and or relationships that last 1 or 2 panels.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Nov 2010, 16:21
Marten's dad and Maurice (or was it Marcel?). 

I know, not regulars.  But still...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 08 Nov 2010, 16:38
See the proper response on Marigold's part would have been something along the lines of: "Ha ha, Yeah too bad I'm straight" or something of that ilk. Instead she responds in a way that is while honest on her part, incredibly hurtful in that it implies that making-out with Tai would be an act of desperate last resort.
So, Tai gets the reminder that her sexuality is "wrong" but also that there is something wrong with HER own attractiveness. Instead of just getting shot down with the "I'm straight" reply (disappointing) she gets "I'm straight and you're gross" which is far far more painful.

I'm sure Marigold didn't mean it that way, it probably just didn't occure to her that it was insensative.

You're not remember that Tai is a stranger to Marigold. Marigold has no idea that Tai is gay, or interested. It's pretty obvious, considering every single come-on and inuendo Tai slips into the conversation flies RIGHT over her head.

Now, I have a lot of background with girls that are like Marigold. What Marigold is reading Tai's comment as is a sympathy, even pitty statement from Tai. Loads of girls in my social circle (I am a gay man, so I infiltrate female minds for my straight guy nerd friends) often make comments of "I'll totally marry you if we're single when we're older," or "I would totally date you if I was gay." Marigold comes from a counterculture where sexual preference doesn't really make that big a deal. It's obvious, given the subject of her writing, that she has no problem with same sex couples. She probably just has never had any contact with a lesbian before.

So really this is just situation of intent being lost in translation. Marygold interprets Tai as saying "Awww, I'd totally go for you, if we were gay," a comment Marigolde probably hears 50 times a day online.

Tai is making the blunder by assuming that Marygold is aware that she's hitting on her. If she had known Marygold's background, she'd know she's incredibly sheltered and inexperienced with flirting.
Ninja'd (more or less). I agree that Marigold sees Tia's come-on as pity. How can she not, given her low self-esteem?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Insectile on 08 Nov 2010, 16:45
Oh yeah, completely forgot about them.

I still don't think this Marigold/Tai thing is going to develop
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 08 Nov 2010, 17:01
What's on tap for us this week?

Angus/Faye II - The Second Date    - 7 (10%)
Marigold/Tai, week II - where Marigold learns how to WRITE.    - 30 (42.9%)
Sven gets a date.    - 4 (5.7%)
Marten & Steve go drinking.    - 7 (10%)
Cosette finally burns down Northampton.    - 11 (15.7%)
Pintsize does something wacky.    - 4 (5.7%)
Yelling Bird. ALL. THE. TIME.    - 4 (5.7%)
GUEST COMIC WEEK!    - 1 (1.4%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (2.9%)

Total Voters: 70
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: JackFaerie on 08 Nov 2010, 17:19
Two small things:

1) others have already explained why Marigold's statement would have offended Tai--it's one thing to say "I'm not interested in girls" and another to basically say "One would have to be even more desperate than me to make out with you." Especially when in the current cultural climate, one does not have to be a lesbian to enjoy an occasional same-sex make-out (no, really), and plenty of straight women like to proclaim how "they'd go gay" for one especially attractive female celeb or another. Since many people seem willing to treat a same-sex kiss as not an especially big deal and something they might do with an attractive woman even if they were straight, Mari's remark is definitely cutting. I mean, guys: you're not gonna be every woman's type and that's no aspersion on your looks in general, but there's a difference in being turned down by the woman saying you're not her type or she's not interested, and her saying "god, I would never be that desperate," no?

2) All the talk of "well Marigold writes slash so she must be fine with gays of all stripes!" is um... very bad logic. Marigold MIGHT be fine with gays and lesbians, but would you say "that guy watches a lot of lesbian porn, I bet he's a great supporter of lgbtq rights"? Marigold enjoys a fantasy of male sexuality and objectifying men for her erotic pleasure. She is probably not against gay men, yes (although enjoying reading idealized porn about them hardly makes her a string gay ally either). But we have no idea what her level of comfort or discomfort is with lesbians. (Actually, we already know she's not entirely comfortable with lesbianism, but we don't know to what extent and how it relates to people other than herself.)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 08 Nov 2010, 17:51
I think it would be more accurate to say she's not comfortable with the idea of lesbianism as conveyed to her by the internet, most typified by her reaction to her guild-mates suggesting she and Hannelore "lez out" for their entertainment. Specifically, I'm not sure she really gets the idea that two women might choose to spend the rest of their lives together as a couple just because they really like each other. In fact I'm nearly sure she hasn't quite made that connection with regards to heterosexual relationships, even her fantasy one with Angus.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 08 Nov 2010, 17:54
1. Katy Perry called. She says "thanks for listening to my music." ;)

2. We're forgetting how much Marigold blushed when she heard the statement that led to her saying, "NO WE ARE NOT GONNA LEZ OUT!" while playing WOW. Grr... Ninja'd by Mr.Rose.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 08 Nov 2010, 18:06
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?








What?








Stop looking at me like that!

Girl's got verve.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 08 Nov 2010, 18:07
Marigold doesn't seem mean-spirited enough to mean it the way Tai thinks she does.

I hope you're right. Here I was worrying about Marigold's feelings, when in reality we all should have been worrying about Tai.

Marigold's put-down was really, really harsh. I mean, totally out-of-the-blue mean.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: reicreature on 08 Nov 2010, 18:18
there's a difference in being turned down by the woman saying you're not her type or she's not interested, and her saying "god, I would never be that desperate," no?

Exactly. Even if Mari doesn't know that Tai is a lesbian, its a pretty careless thing to say.  
I think Marigold didn't even realize that saying that would be hurtful.

I also agree that her response has more to do with her own self esteem issues, but I think a lot of hurtful misunderstandings have their root in insecurity.

I'm sure everyone will be friends by the end of the week.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: reicreature on 08 Nov 2010, 18:20
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

I hated everything until Teenage Dream which makes me get all soppy and long to hold hands with my SO.
Damn you Katy Perry!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Ethereal on 08 Nov 2010, 18:51
Turn it upside down, Marigold isn't giving any 'come on' signals so pushing for make outs isn't going to warrant a mild response in this case.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 08 Nov 2010, 18:53
Next strip: JEPH CAUSES A FORUM EXPLOSION

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zombie moon on 08 Nov 2010, 18:59
I don't get why Tai is offended.

Not offended; just startled at being rebuffed so comprehensively, partly because she, by her nature, tends to think of gay as being as normal as straight, or even more so (like many in this forum, it seems).
That's most likely because "Smif" college and the city that they live in has a large and very outspoken non-straight population. So, it often is just as "normal", if not more so.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Millennium on 08 Nov 2010, 19:23
I swear when I put up my cat icon pwhodges' icon looked like it did before. I guess I didn't refresh the page or something. Anyway uh....yeah.  :oops:

I'm guessing the next comic is Marigold getting super-flustered and apologizing for the inadvertent burn. Marigold doesn't seem mean-spirited enough to mean it the way Tai thinks she does. I hope Tai gives her a chance to explain and doesn't storm out all pissed off.
Yeah. Among other things,there seems to be a case of two mistaken orientations here: Tai thinks Marigold is bi (or at least bi-curious), while Marigold thinks that Tai is straight. Marigold is also coming off of the hard realization that she actually is "that desperate," at least within the context of her own orientation, and thus may have thought Tai was actually making fun of her. That's not really a rational thing to think, as Tai couldn't have known about all that, but Marigold isn't all that much more rational than Hanners is.

Either way, I'm guessing that we're in for Awkwardness. Cue the Victorian outfits.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 19:26
I hated everything until Teenage Dream which makes me get all soppy and long to hold hands with my SO.

 :mrgreen: GODDAMMIT WHY DID SHE HAVE TO USE THAT TITLE.

(...sorry, couldn't resist.)

(Seriously, though, what the hell happened to Teenage Dream?)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jordinyc on 08 Nov 2010, 20:07
HOLY CRAP!! The first comic of the week hasn't been up more than an hour and already we're on page 2 of this week's WCDT????
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mpknighit on 08 Nov 2010, 20:14
JUST MAKE OUT ALREADY  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 08 Nov 2010, 20:18
Awwww. While I'm disappointed that they didn't get to have hot makeouts, I gotta say, this arc has really made me appreciate Tai. She is far classier than I gave her credit for.

Today's strip is a rather nice little denouement, and it's good to see Mari isn't an insensitive jerk. Cheer up, Mar-bear! You'll land someone!

(although it might be Dale and his creepy glasses and monomania *shudder)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 08 Nov 2010, 20:28
Tai: If all else fails, take off your pants!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 20:30
Good of Tai to take this in stride.

...actually, now that I look at the Monday strip again, she doesn't seem as offended as I remembered.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: helloandgoodbye on 08 Nov 2010, 20:35
  Is it weird that this comic made me baaaaaaaw?  Because I so totally did.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 08 Nov 2010, 20:43
So no harm, no foul. Tai comes off as less of a horndog, and Marigold gets a much needed ego boost. Everyone wins.

Well almost everyone…



Torpedos away…… and blub blub blub goes the SS whatever ungodly portmanteau has been assigned to the Marigold-Tai ship.

Aye! Have a bath, Shippers! Arhhhrr! Ha HA! <strikes a vaguely Flyinnish pose>



Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Nov 2010, 20:48
  Is it weird that this comic made me baaaaaaaw?  Because I so totally did.

OK, I know D'awwww, and awwww, and even baaawwwl, but what's a baaaaaaaw? 

Something with a goat...?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 08 Nov 2010, 21:00
  Is it weird that this comic made me baaaaaaaw?  Because I so totally did.

OK, I know D'awwww, and awwww, and even baaawwwl, but what's a baaaaaaaw? 

Something with a goat...?

"Baaaaawww" is the emote for, well, baaaaawwwwling. Or at least shedding tears of some sort.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: westrim on 08 Nov 2010, 21:05
I like how gently he let down the predictions of possible doom and gloom last week. 8 pages of arguing, all for naught (okay, if I culled it, maybe 5). I'm just glad I realized it was better to wait and see and ducked out for the last couple days
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 08 Nov 2010, 21:07
Yes, Tai you did that once before, remember? Actually you probably don't.  :roll:

No, but very good cap to this little arc (assuming its over). Marigold made another friend! Personally I think she needs more real-life friends more than she needs a romantic partner right now.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: MightionNY on 08 Nov 2010, 21:35
On a side note, I think Tai needs/deserves her own long-term relationship... problem is, Jeph would have to add another female character to do that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 08 Nov 2010, 21:37
He could re-introduce VespaVenger...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Nov 2010, 21:43
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr   Hulled between wind and water.

Some serious back-paddling there Marigold.  Though Tai seems to have taken it pretty well.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 21:45
She didn't mean "no idea Tai is a lesbian."
She might have.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did.

[/bovvered]She di'n't, tho.[bovvered]

Or more seriously, what Dora and Faye were saying "she has no idea" of was that Tai was counting this as a date, from cues obvious both to them and to the reader that Marigold, being Marigold, missed.  The only way to read "she has no idea" as "she has no idea Tai's a lesbian," in conjunction with Dora's smile and Faye asking if they should have "warned" her, is if no lesbian would want to read another girl's fanfic without having designs on her, something I can't imagine Faye, and certainly not Dora, would believe.  Marigold not realizing Tai to be a lesbian is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition to Marigold not realizing how Tai initially saw their rendezvous, since whereas Marigold assuming Tai to be straight would be sufficient, the one doesn't necessarily imply the other, especially to someone as used to at least the idea of homosexuality as Marigold (both living in Northampton and immersed as she is in anime fandom) and someone as, well, "loud" as Tai; indeed, it would be more like someone sheltered in the way Marigold is to assume Tai to be a lesbian without further evidence.  Likewise, Marigold, apparently unlike many on this thread, could believe that a lesbian reading her fanfic might not be trying to get into her pants, even if missing some rather obvious hints that this particular one is.

Frankly, I'm disturbed that two people in this thread have not only equated the two, but assumed Faye and, of all people, Dora, who must have put up with the Carlin "imagine wanting to fuck everybody you meet" line of thought half her life, would as well.

...I think perhaps my syllable-to-word ratio suggests a degree of tipsy.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Nov 2010, 21:50
Here's a thought, what if it's the other way round?

"She has no idea." meaning that Tai has no real idea of just how socially clueless Marigold is.  That certainly turns the conversation on his head and makes the humour of the situation a lot different.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 08 Nov 2010, 21:52
...I think perhaps my syllable-to-word ratio suggests a degree of tipsy.
Another tip-off was the 100-word sentence.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: JackFaerie on 08 Nov 2010, 22:47
1. Katy Perry called. She says "thanks for listening to my music." ;)

Ugh. Fuck that. Not aimed at you, but I am SO TIRED of the bitching about "I Kissed A Girl" as though you are only allowed to kiss a girl if you are a true-blue total gay-as-Christmas lesbian, who's then going to whisk that girl you kissed off to wedded bliss and 2 cats. I LIKE that, lyrics-wise, the song is about simply the fact that sometimes it can be fun to kiss a girl even if you're not a lesbian, or just don't even know what you are--and that no, it doesn't have to be love. Not for getting guys' attention, not for anything in specific--just for fun, trying out what you might enjoy or not enjoy.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 08 Nov 2010, 23:01
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.  It's no wonder a Christian should come up with it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ecstaticjoy on 08 Nov 2010, 23:24
Man, I really wanted Marigold to be surprisingly attracted to Tai.

on a side note: :psyduck: <---have I been blind or is this new?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 08 Nov 2010, 23:32
Funny ! I didnt expected to feel sorry for Tai !  :? :-o :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 08 Nov 2010, 23:33
OK, I know D'awwww, and awwww, and even baaawwwl, but what's a baaaaaaaw? 
...

I dont know any of these.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 08 Nov 2010, 23:34
He could re-introduce VespaVenger...
OMG  :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 08 Nov 2010, 23:41
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: fifthfiend on 09 Nov 2010, 00:40
We know Mar doesn't like girls.

She likes a girl.

(The girl is Hanners)

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

~fartz~
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Vander on 09 Nov 2010, 00:51
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

10 gets you 1 however than if anyone does an analysis of the story they will attach a meaning to it. This is why I could not stand studying literature.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 09 Nov 2010, 01:22
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.  It's no wonder a Christian should come up with it.
Eh? I'm no stranger to taking things too seriously, but really. "I Kissed A Girl" is just bubblegum pop, and it's not bad. I mean, it's not like I'd buy the album (I doubt if I'd recognise any other tracks), but it's OK.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 09 Nov 2010, 01:24
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.  It's no wonder a Christian should come up with it.
Eh? I'm no stranger to taking things too seriously, but really. "I Kissed A Girl" is just bubblegum pop, and it's not bad. I mean, it's not like I'd buy the album (I doubt if I'd recognise any other tracks), but it's OK.

....yyyyeah I gotta agree with Akima here, and dang why you even got to bring religion into it?  :?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 01:52
Besides, everyone knows that Lady Gaga is sooooo much better...








*sits back*

*munches popcorn*
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dliessmgg on 09 Nov 2010, 02:08
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 09 Nov 2010, 02:47
It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.

Dagnabit Dliessmgg, you've got me dancing polka Perry at 2:46am.

Do you have any idea what the neighbors are going to think?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 03:00
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.

You know, there are times when I am grateful that my office computer blocks Youtube.

I think know may be one of those times.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 03:08
I'm giggling furiously.  I want to hear them do "I kissed a girl" now!

That made my day, and it's only 6 AM here...

I will be sharing this.  They're really good... but someone needs to buy them a real drum. 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 09 Nov 2010, 03:22
On a side note, I think Tai needs/deserves her own long-term relationship... problem is, Jeph would have to add another female character to do that.
That, or he'd have to bring Amanda into the main cast. But not only would it be contrived, somehow I'm not seeing their characters as matching.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 09 Nov 2010, 03:33
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?
It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.
Everything sounds better as a polka; this is the secret to Weird Al's success.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 09 Nov 2010, 03:38
It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.
When it comes to bizarre covers, that might displace Shirley Bassey's version of Pink's "Let's Get The Party Started" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqNcyFNMfLM) in my personal league table.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dliessmgg on 09 Nov 2010, 03:51
My favorite unusual cover is Imogen Heap's version of Thriller. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxrIBCwyk80)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Odal on 09 Nov 2010, 04:35
This could be potentially interesting for Marigold.  She's never had someone tell her that they'd make out with her.  And Tai probably does this without really caring if she's shut down (at least not in the long term).  From Marigold's point of view, she won't be able to look at Tai the same way.  I'm sure for this moment in a friendship/relationship there is some kind of fundamental law where you cannot go forward without the two involved either drifting apart or becoming closer.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Skewbrow on 09 Nov 2010, 04:40
Would  chanting gregorian monks covering Sisters of Mercy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZboSIvsLKQ) qualify for unusual?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Border Reiver on 09 Nov 2010, 04:43
Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: noteventhesameguy on 09 Nov 2010, 04:53
"Sorry Marigold/Tai shippers, Mari's straight as can be."

Not in my head, she's not.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Nov 2010, 05:34
See, that's why so many people despise any sort of shipping. Statements like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 05:37
What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.

You know, there are times when I am grateful that my office computer blocks Youtube.

I think know may be one of those times.

I wasn't wrong, only because I would not have been able to contain my joyful laughter, those guys rock!

Eins, zwei, drei!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jordinyc on 09 Nov 2010, 05:40
The way things turned out makes complete total sense.

still... THANK YOU GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH!!

.. no i'm not giving you links, do your own homework!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Deadlywonky on 09 Nov 2010, 05:43
In terms of parody, might i throw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0d3I4T6R9E&feature=fvst) into the mix?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 09 Nov 2010, 05:56
Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?

It sounds better as a polka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcoekyMCWzg), that's what's wrong with it.
When it comes to bizarre covers, that might displace Shirley Bassey's version of Pink's "Let's Get The Party Started" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqNcyFNMfLM) in my personal league table.
I don't know if it goes that far. Like I said, Wierd Al's been turning pop into polkas for years. Dame Shirley, though—well, I love her stuff, but that wasn't one of her finest moments. Too much diction. She and Alecia both have powerful voices, but you gotta let it hang if you want to be P!nk.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Nov 2010, 06:27
Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?
<snip>

...you'd have Angus? (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1505)

Oh, and Weird Al is the greatest musician of our time. The man did a polka version of Bohemian Rhapsody - straight up.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Coco on 09 Nov 2010, 06:46
Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?
<snip>

...you'd have Angus? (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1505)

Oh, and Weird Al is the greatest musician of our time. The man did a polka version of Bohemian Rhapsody - straight up.

There are many double standards in this world, but everyone looks funny with their pants off.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Malach85 on 09 Nov 2010, 07:11
Man, what is with these shippers :/ You guys are crazy.

Everyone knows Marigold only has eyes for Martin  :angel:

But for serious, that would make for an awesome story. Both of those options.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 09 Nov 2010, 07:15
Boy, tai sure reacted a lot better than i expected.... Still i'm not surprised marigold wasn't even interested, since #1492 reaction to "Lez out"


And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And Richard Cheese. Don't forget Richard Cheese
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 07:38
He's the one who gave lounge singing the adjective "Cheesey", right? 

Seriuosly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7EBuz-2xI&feature=related). 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 09 Nov 2010, 08:25
I... guess so? i don't quite get what cheesy means, it's a very vague adjective....

Whatever cheesy means, i think dick is a good entertainer and a great singer and bobby ricotta (currently Noel Milano, formerly i don't remember) is really good "translating" songs to lounge versions, and a good musician too....

but if you are using "cheesy" in a derogatory way, then... like, whatever dude.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 09:49
No, no, don't get me wrong -- he's really good!  And the arrangements are hysterical!  "Cheesey" normally is a derogatory adjective, but this is one of those cases of "it's so bad, it's really good!"

No, wait, "it's so good, it's really bad?"

Damn, that doesn't work either...

How about this; it's really good in a style that's considered trite and out of date, and so is usually thought of in a derogatory way by anyone under the age of... 50?  60?  I don't know.  I'm always amazed at how many young fans Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin have anyway.  I guess their kind of "cool" just skipped a generation.

And for some reason, it was mine!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 09 Nov 2010, 10:27
haha, i get ya mon'.

But yeah, the "generation problem" is always there. When i listen to some 60's or 70's music most people look at me with a "what the hell are you doing" face! But i just like to listen to music, no matter the genre or the generation, like going from chuck berry, to japanese folk, passing trough polka and then finishing with electronic :P

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 09 Nov 2010, 10:53
And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And Richard Cheese. Don't forget Richard Cheese

You win teh internetz for mentioning him first.  Richard Cheese is hilarious (Lounge Against the Machine indeed).  The only thing I have against Katy Perry, other than my personal dislike of the pop style she has, is her voice.  Granted, it's not as awful as the voice of that waste of flesh and body paint, K$sha, but that's not saying much.

I knew Marigold would feel flattered, and I'm not surprised Tai got shut down, though all things considered, it was handled less awkwardly than it could have been -- at least Marigold wasn't having to fend Tai off, and no one fell down.  Of course, now that Marigold knows that Tai would "totally make out" with her, one wonders if Mar-bear will be thinking of this the next time she gets drunk . . .  >_>  Not saying that they would ever be a couple, but with lowered inhibitions, Marigold could potentially initiate something, possibly by rationalizing that she needs practice kissing . . .

Oh darn, I just threw gasoline on the shipper fire, didn't I.  Sorry?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 11:15
[stands back from the flaming thread]

Other than that, yeah.  I think Tai's probably had some experience in being shot down before... 

And Marigold isn't quite as insensitive as she seems, sometimes.  I think she suffers a little from hanging around with Angus, the king of "speak first, think later (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1560)".
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 09 Nov 2010, 11:23
I guess their kind of "cool" just skipped a generation.

A couple years ago I was driving with my daughter back to college (Texas to Pennsylvania, 1500 miles) and looking at her iPod for music.  She had the Rolling Stones.  I ask "Why do you have the Rolling Stones on your iPod?" and she replies "Oh, my boyfriend put it there, but I've never listened to them."  I start them up, and after a while she says, "Wow! They're pretty good!"  No shit.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Insectile on 09 Nov 2010, 11:34
Tai does need a long term relationship with someone, but it can't be a cast member already introduced so that means

Jeph will once again introduce another female character

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mad Cat on 09 Nov 2010, 11:40
[stands back from the flaming thread]

Other than that, yeah.  I think Tai's probably had some experience in being shot down before...  

And Marigold isn't quite as insensitive as she seems, sometimes.  I think she suffers a little from hanging around with Angus, the king of "speak first, think later (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1560)".
I think every non-hetero has had the experience of being shot down an order of magnitude more times than they have succeeded in making a pick-up.

Not that heteros are knockin' boots with a new conquest the first try every try, but even at 2-1 shoot downs vs booty calls, straights have an easier time playing the field than gays. Tai's no doubt grown a thicker skin (no friction jokes, please) out of necessity.

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai
Maybe the new character could be an Asian chick named Wonon. Then we could have the Tai/Wonon shippers.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: The Duke on 09 Nov 2010, 12:12
That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

Especially pop songs.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: muffin_of_chaos on 09 Nov 2010, 12:56
Especially pop songs.

Eh.  Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.  Don't think it isn't targeting and influencing young women who might be willing to kiss friends who want it to mean something more.  I personally don't think that matters, since I find it personally hard to conceptualize not being explicit with my own friends about my sexuality.  But I don't have many close friends.

I think everyone was too hard on Marigold this miniarc for her reaction.  Marigold gave no overt signal at any point that she was interested in Tai, and if Tai can't realize that someone can be like Marigold and be completely chagrined by and automatically dismissive of the idea of homosexual contact then Tai was just in for a nasty surprise from the start.  Marigold's reaction to Tai is *only* harsh if Marigold isn't completely straight (doesn't believe she is, anyway), and Tai has no way of knowing that--and didn't bother to check--so any emotional damage is self-inflicted.  Which they both seem to realize in the latest comic.
Remember Marigold has been completely surrounded by people who joke as their primary means of communication--including Tai--and who have been actively interested in her sex life for some time, and naturally her response to Tai about a sore subject is cynical and sardonic when she thinks Tai is joking.

I don't think people should be punished for not being perceptive, as long as upon finding out what they initially missed they don't cling to their ignorance.  I think friendships can die if you aren't explicit in your intentions.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: JackFaerie on 09 Nov 2010, 13:45
Especially pop songs.

Eh.  Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.  Don't think it isn't targeting and influencing young women who might be willing to kiss friends who want it to mean something more.  I personally don't think that matters, since I find it personally hard to conceptualize not being explicit with my own friends about my sexuality.  But I don't have many close friends.


Maybe, except the SONG is all about how "I (the girl) was curious, and I wanted to try it, and I liked it"--it is entirely about her feelings and her desires and very much NOT about doing it for a guy--the only mention of a man is that "I hope my boyfriend don't mind it" which, a) certainly doesn't paint it as something done for his pleasure, and b) shows he was not even there.

The song, as a song, is if anything about putting control of a woman's sexuality and her desires in her own hands--exploring possibilities that she was told is "not what good girls do" and that are not within her main line of self-identification as straight, but that she wanted to try anyway. Again, it is about a girl exploring her desire, apart from social expectations.

If you want to say "but she's marketing it to such-and-such an audience," you're welcome to, but please be aware that the audience you mention is very specifically NOT represented in the lyrics themselves.

Which is why I like it. I like a song saying that sometimes it's ok to be curious about something and you may find you enjoy it, but it doesn't mean you have to change your entire self-identification just because of it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Nov 2010, 13:56
Except I remember some of the controversy was about her previous song being titled "Ur So Gay." Which suggests that she isn't really interested in the promotion of equality for non heteronormativity, and propagates the perception of gay men=gross, gay women=hot.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Coco on 09 Nov 2010, 14:08
I went to a small private school so at Prom they served dinner as part of the event. The dinner music was almost exclusively Frank and Dean. Of course, the school was almost entirely Italian. Of course, I also love them as does my husband. I get turned off to a lot of other older music because of some members of my generation that have decided to love old rock music obsessively, playing it non-stop and acting like the Stones or the whoevers were/are gods that walk the earth. Ugh, shut up.
Also, if a girl wants to kiss another girl just to attract a man I have no judgments. Men have been doing much crazier things than a little same-sex kiss to pick women up since the beginning of time. In fact, I'm of the opinion that no one should have an opinion about anybody kissing anybody for any reason. I don't look to Katy Perry for enlightened commentary on tolerance or sexual experience. In fact, I have never heard any song of hers except "I Kissed a Girl", and only heard that one because it was ubiquitous for a while.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 09 Nov 2010, 14:14
I swear I whinced when I realized there weren't gonna make out. Besides, if Tai wants to take her pants off, why does it look as if she is about lift her top up?  :?

Now, I expect Jeph to introduce Marigold's evil twin, except the twin is a lesbian. Alternatively, in the next issue, we will see a few panels of Tai and Marigold making out. In the last panel, it is revealed that it was all Momo's dream. This way, we get TaiXMarigold while still keepping the canon, y/y?


The jokes aside, I find it somewhat... disappointing that you guys are discussing one of my favourite songs and I have nothing to contribute to it :/
Edit: while I typed, somebody wrote this:
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In fact, I have never heard any song of hers except "I Kissed a Girl", and only heard that one because it was ubiquitous for a while.

That mostly applies to me as well.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 09 Nov 2010, 14:32
Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.
Because women are not individuals, so it's OK to make judgements and generalise about an entire generation.  :roll:  Oh, and straight men are the centre of the universe, around which all things revolve. Again (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25068.msg965795.html#msg965795).
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 09 Nov 2010, 14:34
if Tai wants to take her pants off, why does it look as if she is about lift her top up?

She's getting at her pants' button. Most girls do this, rather than fumbling under their shirt.

Katy Perry is also a better singer than Brittney Spears. Damning with faint praise, I know.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 14:35
Except I remember some of the controversy was about her previous song being titled "Ur So Gay." Which suggests that she isn't really interested in the promotion of equality for non heteronormativity, and propagates the perception of gay men=gross, gay women=hot.

The title suggests that, true, and that's horrible.  However, consider that the lyrics are more "gay things are for gay men."  That's a bit problematic in and of itself - she's making fun of her boyfriend for doing things including listening to Mozart, not eating meat, and driving an electric car - in other words, straight men should be nothing more than the chest-pounding frat types who'd like nothing more than for her to get it on with another girl.  That's kind of the theme running down every song from that album other than "I Kissed a Girl," that she "doesn't want to be one of the boys" because of what she wants the boys to be, and indeed, even the girls to be.  In other words, it's all just the kind of twisted fantasy (and lamentations of the absence) of a world of masculine men and sensuous women you might expect from a "converted" Christian rocker.

Yeah, my first reaction to "I Kissed a Girl" was that it was just a harmless, inoffensive pop song, but when people started treating it like some daring act of liberation to sing about what you can see in any college bar in the US it started to piss me off, and when I heard what kind of album it was on it started to drive me berserk.  It's like when you realize what the song "Tubthumping" is really about, only more, well... annoying.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 15:57
Ummm... what the hell is  Tubthimping really about?  When I finally understood the lyrics, it sounded like it was about getting drunk and starting a fight.  I think it was also about soccer hooligans, I seem to remember something about singing it at the World Cup? 

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Nov 2010, 15:59
Tai does need a long term relationship with someone, but it can't be a cast member already introduced so that means

Jeph will once again introduce another female character

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai

Sven/Tai would be so wrong - and so RIGHT - on so many levels.

EDIT: And I won't get into the whole argument about Kathryn Hudson's works. (Oops, I think I may have accidentally tipped my opinion...)

And Tubthumping... Chumbawumba is a group of anarchists. The song, from what I understand, was about the anarchist movement in the UK.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mickcheese on 09 Nov 2010, 15:59
Tubthumping was about something?

I thought it was purposefully inane.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 16:01
It's about a hard-left politician drowning his sense of abandonment by the Labour party.

"Tubthumping" = "campaigning."
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 16:39
Wow.  Never would get that from the song itself!  There's just nothing  in there about politics.  Drinking, singing, winning, pissing the night away.  And of course, getting knocked down and getting up again.  I mean, it could  be politics, but it could be a lot of other things, too. 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 09 Nov 2010, 16:46
she's making fun of her boyfriend for doing things including listening to Mozart, not eating meat, and driving an electric car

Actually, she lists a huge list of effeminate traits (such as her boyfriend wearing makeup), and the tone is more confusion than "making fun of"- especially in light of the line "I wish you would just be real with me"- she's noticing a large number of... signals... being sent and is asking him to be honest. If you were dating someone who had all the traits of Big Gay Al, wouldn't one be compelled to ask the question?

That's kind of the theme running down every song from that album other than "I Kissed a Girl,"

Except, of course, for the ones that aren't about that, which are... pretty much all of them- Certainly that's not the theme running through the fem-rock anthem "Fingerprints", "Thinking of You" is just a dilemma between choosing between two loves, "Hot N Cold" is about marriage, "If You Can Afford Me" is about choosing love over materialism, and "Lost" is about being sad.

And "One of the boys" isn't a "twisted fantasy", it's about her being a tomboy that wants to be pretty.

You've handpicked a couple songs from the entire album and assigned meaning to it, when in reality you're just coming across as really, really angry. Do you go berserk when worse stereotypes like Lady Gaga pop on the radio? Or Sting? His "I'll be watching you" is totally creepy.

Heck, you could pluck 90% of pop from the radio and find that, quite honestly, many songs are just outright demented. How many people sang along to "I want something else", never knowing it's about crystal meth?

This extends to other media as well. Did you know that "Star Wars" (the original trilogy) was an allegory about Vietnam? "Harry Potter" is very much rooted in allegory about Communism (even going so far as to use the name of "Dobby" Walker as one of its protagonists).

Does that mean that only people of particular politics should enjoy this media? Are people rooting for the deaths of allegorical American soldiers when an Ewok smacks a trooper in the head with a rock?

The capacity to realize that music, regardless of what others derive from it (or, in some cases, even what the artist has originally secretly envisioned as its allegory), is what YOU make of it, really makes life much easier sometimes.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Nov 2010, 17:43
Well, geez, there goes my dissertation on how Questionable Content is a metaphor for the apathy and lack of drive within American society in the 21st Century...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Nov 2010, 17:44
How long until Marigold realizes what's going on?

Tomorrow's strip.    - 19 (29.2%) - Yay! Right Answer!
Wednesday or Thrusday.    - 3 (4.6%)
This week sometime.    - 4 (6.2%)
Next month.    - 0 (0%)
Next year.    - 0 (0%)
She NEVER realizes what's going on.    - 6 (9.2%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (3.1%)
Wait, you mean Tai is GAY?    - 16 (24.6%)
Go write the slashfic for it already.    - 15 (23.1%)

Total Voters: 65
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 18:09
Wow.  Never would get that from the song itself!  There's just nothing  in there about politics.  Drinking, singing, winning, pissing the night away.  And of course, getting knocked down and getting up again.  I mean, it could  be politics, but it could be a lot of other things, too.  

It's pretty hard to miss with the rest of the album after - that was kind of my point.  Hell, even the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc) should be something of a hint it's not actually about soccer hooligans.

Actually, she lists a huge list of effeminate traits (such as her boyfriend wearing makeup), and the tone is more confusion than "making fun of"- especially in light of the line "I wish you would just be real with me"- she's noticing a large number of... signals... being sent and is asking him to be honest. If you were dating someone who had all the traits of Big Gay Al, wouldn't one be compelled to ask the question?

Most of the things after that first verse are "emo" or "hipster" stereotypes.  She's not calling him a closet case, she's calling him a poseur.  Implicitly, she's also calling him a poseur for trying to better himself.

I think I'll have to come back to the rest, but I should point out that you seem to have interpreted the "twisted fantasy" I took from the album almost as the opposite of what I intended.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 09 Nov 2010, 19:46
"Tubthumping" = "campaigning."
Huh..
I thought tubthumping was like tub whacking
(http://home.fuse.net/guitar_picks/images/Drumsticks/1987-1991drumsticks.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 20:21
People...



Are we really debating the deeper philosophical meaning of the lyrics of Katy Perry and... Chumbawumba?


Really?

Really?










Really?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 09 Nov 2010, 20:32
Are we really debating the deeper philosophical meaning of the lyrics of Katy Perry and... Chumbawumba?

Some of us are. I was just trying to point out that Katy Perry is just singing mostly meaningless bubblegum without a specific aim, and that it's all about one's personal interpretation of music/media... but I have a feeling there will be five more pages of argument on this.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 20:44
Debating Chumbawumba isn't that ridiculous.  Have you actually heard anything they've written besides "Tubthumping"?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Penquin47 on 09 Nov 2010, 20:45
According to one of my high school bandmates, Tubthumping was about "thumping in the bathtub."  As a sign of how sheltered I was as a teenager, I had NO IDEA why our band director told him off after he said it (and he was thoroughly embarrassed himself even before the band director got over there).

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"Harry Potter" is very much rooted in allegory about Communism (even going so far as to use the name of "Dobby" Walker as one of its protagonists).
Communism?  Seriously?  Fascism and intolerance are how I've always seen it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 09 Nov 2010, 20:52
Communism?  Seriously?  Fascism and intolerance are how I've always seen it.

Yep, it was allegorically about Communism- not as the antagonistic side, but admirably according to Rowling's work. Her affinity for it came out way back in something around 2006 when she was talking about Jessica Mitford. That's why Dobby was the poor, beaten-down, kind and honorable house-elf.

More info on Rowling's fascination with, and admiration for Communism and Mitford can be found in "J.K. Rowling",  By Colleen A. Sexton. Quite revelatory.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 21:00
Oh, I guess we are...

*turns up volume on headphones* (guess what I'm listening to  :angel:)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: muffin_of_chaos on 09 Nov 2010, 21:35
Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.
Because women are not individuals, so it's OK to make judgements and generalise about an entire generation.  :roll:  Oh, and straight men are the centre of the universe, around which all things revolve. Again (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25068.msg965795.html#msg965795).

Of course it's ok to generalize to discern a trend.  :roll:
Especially it's ok to generalize about 'the average young person' who tend to be more impressionable than 'the average person.'  For that matter, everyone is unique, sure, but not in all ways.  Sometimes generalizing a trait is ok if the generalization is obvious.
You know, as long as it isn't a research paper and we're all informal and stuff.  "Trends" in research papers are generally empirical, instead of merely an inferred tendency of one population compared to another population (i.e. the generations previous).
On the same note, of course it's not true that straight men are the center of the universe, but they might as well be for most straight girls.  Half of that is hormones, half of that is conditioning.  Much like straight boys.  Usually it is grown out of...but if the success of Teenage Dream is any indication, we *really* (and for artificial reasons) glorify youth in this culture.
(Aw yeah, bringing it back to the Perry.)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 21:51
 :mrgreen: I REPEAT, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE TEENAGE DREAM.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dragon28 on 09 Nov 2010, 22:04
wow. What timing, randomly check if the new comic is up 2 minutes after it goes up >_>

Hilarious and not entirely descriptive fic Jeph lols!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 09 Nov 2010, 22:06
Aw that's sweet of Mari to write a fanfic just for Tai. Too bad she's not aware how bad her writing sucks but it's the thought that counts!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11
Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold
That reads like a teenager might have written it...

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?


Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11
Aw that's sweet of Mari to write a fanfic just for Tai. Too bad she's not aware how bad her writing sucks but it's the thought that counts!

It may be the thought that counts, but I wish there were more thought put into it. 

Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before. 

Well, not since "Bored of the Rings", but I don't think that counts.  It's more parody than fanfic. 

Oh, and does anyone else think there's going to be a bit of a misunderstanding along the way?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:12
Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?

I imagine it's like music - you have to be pretty damn good to play like you don't know what you're doing! 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: IlGreven on 09 Nov 2010, 22:18
Yes! It's happening! She is morphing into Peter Chimaera!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Nov 2010, 22:38
This will be Marigolds Opus Magnum.  Years from now she will be living in luxury off the movie rights and royalties.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dusk on 09 Nov 2010, 22:55
Now I won't be able to hear anything BUT Teenage Dream now. :( It's such a silly paradoxical song...and her vocals are horrible.
On a side note, as an English major, I'd love nothing more right now than to take a red pen to that story. :|
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: NeverQuiteGoth on 09 Nov 2010, 23:23
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.  

Proof that Fanfic can be better than published literature (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality)
.

Most fanfic is not that bad. However, there are plenty of real examples of real writers who, like Marigold, think they're decent writers and take their writing seriously while actually writing that poorly, who are in fact not pre-teens.

That's why what Jeph did is so funny. Aw, poor Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: MollyEmerald on 09 Nov 2010, 23:34
CUTEST FANFIC EVER AHMIGAWDsjsjzkdjsjzjaksmskj!
That was me short circuiting from cuteness. But damn how can I not still entertain my Tai/Marigold slash fantasies after reading it?! I want an "erotic zones" t shirt now!

That's totally not the worst fanfic ever
Google search "my immortal" if ur someone who never reads fanfic and so hasn't read it already.  Good for a laugh or self esteem boost.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 10 Nov 2010, 00:04
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.
No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 10 Nov 2010, 00:05
How long until Marigold realizes what's going on?

Tomorrow's strip.    - 19 (29.2%) - Yay! Right Answer!

Thats because Tomorrows Strip was already up when the poll was still running ...

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Wednesday or Thrusday.    - 3 (4.6%)
This week sometime.    - 4 (6.2%)
Next month.    - 0 (0%)
Next year.    - 0 (0%)
She NEVER realizes what's going on.    - 6 (9.2%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (3.1%)
Wait, you mean Tai is GAY?    - 16 (24.6%)
That was my answer because tomorrows strip was already up and therefore answer 1 was uncool.

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Go write the slashfic for it already.    - 15 (23.1%)

Total Voters: 65
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: westrim on 10 Nov 2010, 00:07
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.
No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.
This calls for a TVTropes link! Sturgeon's Law (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle3tinj4tz?from=Main.SturgeonsLaw)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 10 Nov 2010, 00:26
To be honest, I'm disappointed that it's about Ginny and Hermione. Tonks and Hermione would have been better.

I AM glad she went for fanfic IN SPAAAAAACE


PS
Katy Perry made me angry because it was an aural assault and was just dumb.
Jill Sobule's "I kissed a girl" is better

and for the Teenage Dream guy, I have the T-Rex one in my head "What ever happened to the teenage dreeeam?"
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Exar_Kun on 10 Nov 2010, 00:40
Jeph must have gotten some pointers from the author of "My Immortal" *shudder*

EDIT: Errr...or whatever the hell that really bad Potter fanfic was. I don't even remember the right name of it, which is probably a good thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 10 Nov 2010, 00:48
I think this is brilliant, but then again, part of me is suffering from nostalgia because I was into Harry Potter internet stuff like... six-seven years ago? Been a while since I read any HP fanfic.

My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time :D Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Nov 2010, 00:57
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.
No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.

Fanfiction is like necromancy. It's inherently gross and probably evil, but sometimes awesome or beautiful things can result from it.

And then there are the times when you get a mob to storm the practitioner's house.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: muffin_of_chaos on 10 Nov 2010, 00:59
Am seriously surprised that a double wedding with Harry and Ron wasn't in the conclusion.
 :laugh: at Harry using Avada Kedavra.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Nov 2010, 01:21
"and the Spacemaster screamed "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

...

Oh, dear. Marigold, you poor poor thing. You write even worse than I do.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: no one special on 10 Nov 2010, 03:21
...wow.  That was... bad.  I mean, unspeakably bad.  I guess Marigold went to the Peter Griffin (http://www.tbs.com/video/index.jsp?oid=122431) School of Creative Writing.

Of course, that unbreakable horror also means that it was really frickin' funny, as was the comic!  At first I was hoping that Marigold would be magically inspired (no pun intended) and create something amazing - but the fact that it was STILL horrible just made the comic that much funnier.  Jeph sure knows how to write a punchline! 

Craziest thing of all: TAI LOVES IT???
http://twitter.com/tai_fighter/status/2240170438959104

wtf?  Insanity, I tells you.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 10 Nov 2010, 04:41
Well, this answers the question of whether Marigold knew Tai was a lesbian; with a link to her Twitter, not even she could have missed that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Arky on 10 Nov 2010, 04:44
That reminds me of my MiSTing days, that does.  Ah, the memories.  Turning bad fanfics into works of comic genius... kind of like a decontamination unit.  I had the honour of working on the MSTing of a Ratliff fic, even.  And if you don't know about the Ratliff fanfics, you are missing out.

I can tell you that in those days (which pre-dates Harry Potter and Twilight... thankfully, I suspect....) the absolute worst of the worst of the worst fanfiction usually involved Sailor Moon.

Or anything with animals, since it would bring in the furries (Sonic the Hedgehog was baaaaaaaaaad for this).

And yes, ALL fanfic is bad, just to varying degrees.  Some of it is as good as some published literature sure.  That is because some published literature is also really, really, really horrible.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 10 Nov 2010, 04:51
To be honest, I'm disappointed that it's about Ginny and Hermione. Tonks and Hermione would have been better.

I AM glad she went for fanfic IN SPAAAAAACE
Well there are (more) issues with Hermione and Tonks, but its fanfic so I guess those can be swept aside for the sake of "the story" - honestly though, Ginny and Luna makes more sense.
But then I think Harry and Luna makes more sense than the canon pairing, so what do I know?


P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: fixed11 on 10 Nov 2010, 05:02
HAHA, man made up fanfic! When can we expect a Space Wizards t-shirt to be added to the ever growing tshirt factory comic merchandise from Jeph's lolzy mind?

Plus, we can expect Tai to return to to coffee shop where the others will want details and Tai will mention stuff that gets misinterpreted for {get ready guys!} SEX WITH HER AND MARIGOLD!

It will then be another hilarious misunderstanding until Friday where it will all end with our favorite forced snarky banter in the final panel.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 10 Nov 2010, 06:02
My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time :D Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.
Wait, you're actually able to read the fanfic itself ?

I can only read "Hermione and Ginny versus the Space Wizards" and then I can only start guessing, mainly get some fragments like "Hermione said".



P.s.: Ooooh the website is REAL ok didnt occured to me (http://"http://marigoldfarmer.tumblr.com/").

P.p.s.: Man this stuff is bad ! LOL




P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.
You know what, you just accurately described my reaction to the unbelievable *** that made the word "Twilight" uncool.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 10 Nov 2010, 06:08
"sacared" that made me laugh so hard, but i don't really get why...



Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold
That reads like a teenager might have written it...

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?
i wonder that too... i guess that if you are good at writing you can get in the heads of your characters an express their thoughts flawlessly, i mean really, the fan-fic didn't felt at all over worked, it felt like someone who is bad at writing had done it. Which is weird, because that didn't happen at all...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Nov 2010, 06:23
P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.
Ditto.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: innermoppet on 10 Nov 2010, 07:02
As a writer, it's pretty fun to take a break from self-crit and write something terrible. It's also challenging, which is weird.

Sadly, Marigold's Fanfic reads like a lot of fan fic I've read. She's so adorably clueless about real feelings and intimacy. For some reason the parts that made me laugh the hardest were her references to "tight space-underwear". What a great visual.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Blyss on 10 Nov 2010, 07:19
Quote from: marigoldfarmer
So they totally had sex, and it was the most amazing sex in the history of wizarding or muggles or even Space Wizards (who had a lot of sex but it was really bad sex because they were all evil).

My favorite sex scene ever.   :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 10 Nov 2010, 07:27
For some reason the parts that made me laugh the hardest were her references to "tight space-underwear". What a great visual.
Almost as good as this one, no?
(http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/images/spacesuits/Newman_biosuit.jpg) (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/spacesuits.php#Design~Skin_Suits)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: slydon on 10 Nov 2010, 08:31
How sexy was it, Marigold?

VERY
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Nov 2010, 08:46
Not bad Jeph - reads like most fanfic.

Makes me very glad that the narrative batreps I used to write weren't that bad (I hope).
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 10 Nov 2010, 09:02
I can't read Marigold's piece—one glance and I wanted to start fixing it. I have the soul of an editor.

You can have one, too—I got mine for a song on E-Bay. Fellow said he wasn't using it anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kittymao on 10 Nov 2010, 09:14
I didn't read all of the FanFic, partially because I don't have any clue about Harry Potter, but mostly because it was really bad.
What i did read though, was amusing in a "Dear God, it must have been a BLAST to write so terribly."

And then I began second-guessing my writing ability.
Not that I write fanfic or anything...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Rayne on 10 Nov 2010, 10:48
HLS THAT SPACE WIZARDS STORY IS LIKE THE BEST STORY EVER WRITTEN EVER!!!!!11
I demand a book by that theme only with many stories revolving around different couples (say, starbuck & caprica or yuna & lulu) and after all the couples are done defending their worlds a magical rift will appear in time and space and all the worlds will fuse together and the couples will have to fight each other in what will be forever know as the most awesome tournament the galaxy had ever known.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dusk on 10 Nov 2010, 11:16
Whoever suggested to look up "My Immortal," I'm not sure if I want to hurt you or thank you for providing a laugh for me today past Marigold's fic.

...

It has its own site.

http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/ (http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 10 Nov 2010, 11:45
Heh.  Cute comic!  But Marigold's fic (which is here, btw, in a hopefully non-broken link: http://marigoldfarmer.tumblr.com/ (http://marigoldfarmer.tumblr.com/) ) tried to stab my brain so I went away.  I got to the 2nd "paragraph" where she broke the 4th wall to bitch about the book's ending, and despite it being a valid gripe, it made me not want to read the rest of the lolawful writing.  I'm sure it's hilarious, but I didn't want to bruise my face from the no doubt imminent facepalming.

Also, I would like to express a debt of gratitude to those of you who have read "most" or even "all" fanfiction.  Having only read a few things, I have no way of assessing its quality.  It would seem that the law of averages might mean that some of it could potentially rise above mediocrity, but based on your testimony that is apparently not the case.  To read all of it must have taken an incredible amount of time -- I just glimpsed the number of topics on fanfiction.net, and holy cats that's a lot a large number!.  So thank you for jumping on that grenade, so the rest of us don't have to.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Heranje on 10 Nov 2010, 12:01
A small amount of fanfiction is actually quite good. Most of it is entertaining in a so-bad-it's-good way, like Twilight or Mary Kate & Ashley films. Some of it is just bad. My Immortal is a freaking MASTERPIECE, though - as is Marigold's excellent piece of fiction.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: westrim on 10 Nov 2010, 12:32
A small amount of fanfiction is actually quite good. Most of it is entertaining in a so-bad-it's-good way, like Twilight or Mary Kate & Ashley films. Some of it is just bad. My Immortal is a freaking MASTERPIECE, though - as is Marigold's excellent piece of fiction.

Hey, that sounds like... Sturgeon's Law (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle3tinj4tz?from=Main.SturgeonsLaw)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Doctor Online on 10 Nov 2010, 13:11
Damn you guys for recommending My Immortal, I'm scratching my eyes out, but I just cannot STOP reading it. D;
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Insectile on 10 Nov 2010, 13:58
My Immortal was so bad that Marigold's fanfic seems like the new Dune
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 10 Nov 2010, 14:18
My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time :D Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.
How do you know the correct spelling? :-D  The most one can say with accuracy is that she spelt the name differently. Stuffing random apostrophes into names is a common "exoticization" technique (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunctuationShaker), going back at least to H.P.Lovecraft.

Marigold can't spell "emanate" but she uses to/too/two, their/there/they're, and your/you're correctly, so she's already ahead of 99% of fanfic I've read...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 10 Nov 2010, 14:41
Fine, she spells his name correctly at most once.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: O8h7w on 10 Nov 2010, 16:58
I tried to stay out of this forum, (don't want to put my sleeping time at risk), but now I just can't do that any longer.

And why is that? Because all of you seem to have completely missed out on something that's horribly wrong in Marigold's fanfic. Hermione and Ginny can't both be 25 years old at the same time...

(yes, I do understand that I have now disclosed myself as quite the Harry Potter geek...)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Nov 2010, 17:26
And why is that? Because all of you seem to have completely missed out on something that's horribly wrong in Marigold's fanfic. Hermione and Ginny can't both be 25 years old at the same time...

Aging (Ageing? What kind of spelling is that?) Potion. (http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Ageing_Potion)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 10 Nov 2010, 18:18
Time-turner. (http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Time_turner)

Suspend your disbelief!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Nov 2010, 18:32
"Tai hitting on Marigold"...

...will become a running gag in the strip.    - 8 (8.4%)
...won't happen ever again.    - 1 (1.1%)
...won't happen again (until the next time Tai's drunk).    - 13 (13.7%)
...won't happen (until the next time MARIGOLD is drunk).    - 13 (13.7%)
...is the bane of slashfic writers everywhere    - 0 (0%)
...will be made worse by Angus commenting on it.    - 6 (6.3%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 3 (3.2%)
...is already Rule 34'd somewhere.    - 38 (40%)
Oh, go write the slashfic for it already.    - 13 (13.7%)

Total Voters: 95
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iusticanun on 10 Nov 2010, 19:36
My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time :D Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.

It put me in mind of that one Orc in Lord of the Rings: Grishnákh.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Boomslang on 10 Nov 2010, 20:32
Long time lurker, finally was able to register.

I have to say, what I'm hoping happens is that Marigold gets introduced to Jimbo as an apprentice to his sith master. And then they fall into lust love. Is there an existing shipper name for Jimbo/Marigold already?

Anyway, just think about it. Jimbo's a redneck, he places no importance on the social complexities that Marigold struggles against. He is also, at last check, single (let me know if I'm wrong, it's been a while since he's been in the comic). It just makes sense- albeit in a way that will probably cost me lots of money in therapist bills later in life.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: slydon on 10 Nov 2010, 20:53
How did I go so long w/o reading My Immortal?
I damn near shat myself laughing.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Random Wanderer on 10 Nov 2010, 20:58
Even if I hadn't sworn off of reading fanfics, I wouldn't want to read one by someone who is explicitly stated to be a bad writer. From the sound of things, though, Marigold could really use a creative writing class or two. It also wouldn't hurt for her to read "Characters and Viewpoint" by Orson Scott Card. And by "read" I mean "study extensively."
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Nov 2010, 21:17
Craziest thing of all: TAI LOVES IT???
http://twitter.com/tai_fighter/status/2240170438959104

wtf?  Insanity, I tells you.

I'm having issues with this.  Tai seems to be pulling Marigold's leg (for lack of a better metaphor).  Maybe she really is flattered, but the way she said it could lead to some more serious misunderstandings! 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 10 Nov 2010, 21:24
Even if I hadn't sworn off of reading fanfics, I wouldn't want to read one by someone who is explicitly stated to be a bad writer. From the sound of things, though, Marigold could really use a creative writing class or two. It also wouldn't hurt for her to read "Characters and Viewpoint" by Orson Scott Card. And by "read" I mean "study extensively."

And heeeere... weeeee... go.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Nov 2010, 22:19
I'm having issues with this.  Tai seems to be pulling Marigold's leg (for lack of a better metaphor).  Maybe she really is flattered, but the way she said it could lead to some more serious misunderstandings! 

I'm sure Tai is just humoring Marigold. She knows Mari went to the trouble of writing this little turd; it's only polite to say thank you and say you like it. Like when you get a present that's totally lame form someone you really like, but then you see the look on their face and you're like 'oh man I have to pretend to like this or they'll be so sad.'

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY)



I've been drinking.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ysth on 10 Nov 2010, 22:56
Quote
Comic's up! http://www.questionablecontent.net weirdly, this is actually GOING somewhere. #youllsee

Just say No to Mardoraye.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Nov 2010, 23:04

Even if I hadn't sworn off of reading fanfics, I wouldn't want to read one by someone who is explicitly stated to be a bad writer. From the sound of things, though, Marigold could really use a creative writing class or two. It also wouldn't hurt for her to read "Characters and Viewpoint" by Orson Scott Card. And by "read" I mean "study extensively."

Please, for the love of Cthulhu, don't tell people they should read anything by That Man. Encouraging that man is just fucked. He is an asshole, and a one-hit wonder who should be forgotten. Read John Scalzi instead.

On another topic, where is the poll option to recognize Marigold's fic as a piece of Great Literature? I mean, this is close to the classic DOOM: Consequences of Evil. To use the fanfic as necromancy metaphor, Marigold created a right proper zombie dragon on fire here. I especially loved Harry's line to the Spacemaster.

I also strongly suspect that Tai enjoys the tale on an ironic level, rather than a real one. As Ilgreven put it, she is like unto the great wordsmith Chimaera.
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Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Nov 2010, 23:25
I prefer this version of My Immortal    :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N26mo7PD51A

What's good or bad in FanFic is a matter of taste - Good and bad. (Links to what I like are in my Homepage in case you wonder what I consider good.)



Aaaaannnnnnnd in tonights comic, masturbation.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 10 Nov 2010, 23:27
Okay, this was funny the third read-through. The first one, I got the idea, for some reason, that Marten's teacher thought the urethra opened up at the tip of the clitoris. I could see some wierd logic in that, but the porn ref made no sense at all.

The third read, I got it. Ha. Ha HA ha.

I'm so glad we've decided (overall) that kids don't need sex ed in the US. Ha. Ha HA ha. *sigh*
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: LordVaughn on 11 Nov 2010, 00:14
Oddly, I have had a similar conversation to today's comic. Some of the things I thought of around the ages of 10-12 explain so much...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Jedit on 11 Nov 2010, 00:36
Damn you guys for recommending My Immortal, I'm scratching my eyes out, but I just cannot STOP reading it. D;

Don't worry, there's a strong belief that it's a spoof.

To whoever said fanfic can be better than published literature: why did you bother posting a link?  We've all heard of Twilight, you know.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 11 Nov 2010, 00:39
Fine, she spells his name correctly at most once.
Yeah, sorry. I was being a smarty-pants.

Okay, this was funny the third read-through. The first one, I got the idea, for some reason, that Marten's teacher thought the urethra opened up at the tip of the clitoris. I could see some wierd logic in that, but the porn ref made no sense at all. The third read, I got it. Ha. Ha HA ha.
I had the same first impression. Then I got it. Ouch!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 11 Nov 2010, 00:41
Okay, this was funny the third read-through. The first one, I got the idea, for some reason, that Marten's teacher thought the urethra opened up at the tip of the clitoris. I could see some wierd logic in that, but the porn ref made no sense at all.

The third read, I got it. Ha. Ha HA ha.

I'm so glad we've decided (overall) that kids don't need sex ed in the US. Ha. Ha HA ha. *sigh*

[sarcasm]Well of course we don't! If kids were properly educated about sex and sexuality, they might not treat it with the proper fear and loathing![/sarcasm]
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Jerkxes on 11 Nov 2010, 01:13
“It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again”

But seriously I never truly understood just how bad the American sex education was until starting uni and meeting many an exchange student. Some of the things they believe about sex and contraception are both baffling and frightening. For example one girl started the pill whilst over here and rather than beginning the packet right after her period like she should have she waited until a Sunday to start it as the packets week started on a Sunday.

Unfortunately our health education is becoming pretty pathetic as well; I’m sick of explaining that babies and urine do not actually come from the same hole.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2010, 01:35
Okay, this was funny the third read-through. The first one, I got the idea, for some reason, that Marten's teacher thought the urethra opened up at the tip of the clitoris. I could see some wierd logic in that, but the porn ref made no sense at all.

The third read, I got it. Ha. Ha HA ha.

I'm so glad we've decided (overall) that kids don't need sex ed in the US. Ha. Ha HA ha. *sigh*

[sarcasm]Well of course we don't! If kids were properly educated about sex and sexuality, they might not treat it with the proper fear and loathing![/sarcasm]
And it doesn't help that we keep telling them how wonderful it is. If we said "It's awkward, sometimes painful, and frequently leads to people getting hurt", there wouldn't be quite as much attraction to it.

Instead, in the words of my teacher, we say "OH MY GOD ITS THE BEST THING EVER.

Don't do it."

Jerkxes, I can't remember what it is (I forgot some of the stuff that I will never use, by virtue of being male), but there is something to do with contraception or pregnancy that you start on the Sunday after you start your period. Maybe she got confused by that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2010, 01:45
I'm having issues with this.  Tai seems to be pulling Marigold's leg (for lack of a better metaphor).  Maybe she really is flattered, but the way she said it could lead to some more serious misunderstandings! 

I'm sure Tai is just humoring Marigold. She knows Mari went to the trouble of writing this little turd; it's only polite to say thank you and say you like it. Like when you get a present that's totally lame form someone you really like, but then you see the look on their face and you're like 'oh man I have to pretend to like this or they'll be so sad.'

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY)

Okay, now that I've spent a lot of time on Garfunkel and Oates (thank you, thank you, thank you), I just wanted to point out the imminent problem with "my crush on you just multiplied by like a million percent".  Ironic it may be, but how do you think Marigold is going to take this?  I'm not sure she gets irony yet...

Then again, since she doesn't think she swings that way, it may not really matter.

But you never know!

As to today's comic, I'm thankful that I predate the "sex ed in school" generation.  Mine happened the way god intended. 

On the playground...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Nov 2010, 02:01
And why is that? Because all of you seem to have completely missed out on something that's horribly wrong in Marigold's fanfic. Hermione and Ginny can't both be 25 years old at the same time...
And thats all thats wrong with that fanfic ?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Jerkxes on 11 Nov 2010, 02:04
Fair enough Nodaisho but it was made very clear by her doctor that it would not work unless she took it directly after her period. She just decided that she wouldn’t take it until the Sunday because that was the first day on the packet. Reading my comment again I wasn’t very clear, sorry.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: eddie on 11 Nov 2010, 02:15
I'm having issues with this.  Tai seems to be pulling Marigold's leg (for lack of a better metaphor).  Maybe she really is flattered, but the way she said it could lead to some more serious misunderstandings! 

I'm sure Tai is just humoring Marigold. She knows Mari went to the trouble of writing this little turd; it's only polite to say thank you and say you like it. Like when you get a present that's totally lame form someone you really like, but then you see the look on their face and you're like 'oh man I have to pretend to like this or they'll be so sad.'

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFgbbUt1jY)

Okay, now that I've spent a lot of time on Garfunkel and Oates (thank you, thank you, thank you), I just wanted to point out the imminent problem with "my crush on you just multiplied by like a million percent".  Ironic it may be, but how do you think Marigold is going to take this?  I'm not sure she gets irony yet...

Then again, since she doesn't think she swings that way, it may not really matter.

But you never know!

As to today's comic, I'm thankful that I predate the "sex ed in school" generation.  Mine happened the way god intended. 

On the playground...

I had a friend who thought that if she didn't have sex for long enough that her hyman would grow back and our teacher told us about a girl who though you only had one period and that was it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2010, 03:51
Fair enough Nodaisho but it was made very clear by her doctor that it would not work unless she took it directly after her period. She just decided that she wouldn’t take it until the Sunday because that was the first day on the packet. Reading my comment again I wasn’t very clear, sorry.
Yeah. I suppose the package really is worded poorly.

In most situations, though, I don't see why that wouldn't work. I could see it being a bad idea because there is the possibility of an oocite forming and being brought into the fallopian tube during those during those 1-6 days, but it would be an unusual cycle, so odds are nothing would be hurt.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nightson on 11 Nov 2010, 03:52
I don't know what you guys are talking about Marigold's fanfic is wonderful.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2010, 03:58
I agree, it does inspire wonder. I would also call it terrific.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2010, 04:14
...as in, "inspires terror"? 

No, wait, that's terrorific terrible. 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Delator on 11 Nov 2010, 04:14
Faye
Sven
Dora
Dora and Sven's parents
Marten
Marten's HS Health teacher
Marten's HS Health teacher's wife
Marten's mother

Puberty: Confusion for all!  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 11 Nov 2010, 05:22
I have to say, what I'm hoping happens is that Marigold gets introduced to Jimbo as an apprentice to his sith master. And then they fall into lust love. Is there an existing shipper name for Jimbo/Marigold already?

I suggest Jigolo.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: srpilha on 11 Nov 2010, 05:24
Marigold can't spell "emanate" but she uses to/too/two, their/there/they're, and your/you're correctly, so she's already ahead of 99% of fanfic I've read...

Not quite:
Quote
You’re body is eminating more magic than I have ever seen eminate from a body before!
[/nitpicking]

Having read Jeph's statement about grammar and spelling on the forum, I bet he really did have fun writing that.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Coco on 11 Nov 2010, 06:27
Fair enough Nodaisho but it was made very clear by her doctor that it would not work unless she took it directly after her period. She just decided that she wouldn’t take it until the Sunday because that was the first day on the packet. Reading my comment again I wasn’t very clear, sorry.
Yeah. I suppose the package really is worded poorly.

In most situations, though, I don't see why that wouldn't work. I could see it being a bad idea because there is the possibility of an oocite forming and being brought into the fallopian tube during those during those 1-6 days, but it would be an unusual cycle, so odds are nothing would be hurt.

As far as I'm aware many doctors do recommend starting on Sunday. The instruction packet that comes with the pills even has instructions for what they call "Sunday Starters." The idea is that after the off-week it is easier to remember starting your new pack on the first day of the week, then on a Wednesday. I have never heard of any problems that can result from not starting your pack immediately after your period.
I also find it hilarious that the Catholic schools which I attended from pre-school through high school, did a better job of sex ed than any public school I'm aware of. I think this is one area where the Catholic sex obsession worked in the students favor. Of course, there was the whole thing of "sex is great, but only for straight, married people without artificial contraception and don't you forget it!" But then they taught us all the contraception methods so we would know how they violated God's plan. It was really funny.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Nov 2010, 06:47
What does it mean when it takes you three or four reads to FINALLY get the joke in the second panel?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2010, 07:48
As far as I'm aware many doctors do recommend starting on Sunday. The instruction packet that comes with the pills even has instructions for what they call "Sunday Starters." The idea is that after the off-week it is easier to remember starting your new pack on the first day of the week, then on a Wednesday. I have never heard of any problems that can result from not starting your pack immediately after your period.
Generally there are placebo pills to take during that week so you are still in the habit of 1 per day. I suppose they aren't really placebos since it isn't hidden that they aren't real progestin pills
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Melauren on 11 Nov 2010, 07:54
jwhouk, it means you should probably explain it for us dumbasses who are none the wiser after six or seven?

... please?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Nov 2010, 07:56
The joke for both of their reactions is that if someone doesn't know what a clitoris does, they aren't going to be much good in bed.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 11 Nov 2010, 08:05
I don't know if this is recent news or something... but did you know that sven played W.O.W.? Not only that he plays a horde character?

Exibit A: http://twitter.com/svenbianchi/status/2270360964

It started looking up since last night i woke in the middle of the night and said: "Jesus christ sven is going hook up with marigold" and then i went back to sleep.

I mean, he also said that he was attracted to curvaceous ladies, and marigold seems to fit that model!!!

Am i crazy for thinking this?

Am i crazy to wake up and say things out of the blue about the characters' relations in a webcomic????
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Coco on 11 Nov 2010, 08:20
As far as I'm aware many doctors do recommend starting on Sunday. The instruction packet that comes with the pills even has instructions for what they call "Sunday Starters." The idea is that after the off-week it is easier to remember starting your new pack on the first day of the week, then on a Wednesday. I have never heard of any problems that can result from not starting your pack immediately after your period.
Generally there are placebo pills to take during that week so you are still in the habit of 1 per day. I suppose they aren't really placebos since it isn't hidden that they aren't real progestin pills

Indeed. My larger point was that she really wasn't that dumb. At least when I get pills the instructions for "Sunday Starters" are on top. Also, most women I know don't take the placebo week pills. It's silly, but after a few years that tiny pill begins to feel like an onerous task every morning and that week off is nice. If only American doctors didn't have such an aversion to no maintenance solutions like IUDs.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Smerf on 11 Nov 2010, 10:19
For the record, my sex ed class in high school was surprisingly well informed, even if the teacher's main goal was to get us to NOT have sex.  Ever.  He was a 54 year old virgin and proudly informed us of this.
 
Didn't stop him from putting all the girl that wore short skirts or low cut shirt in the front row, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 11 Nov 2010, 10:39
What does it mean when it takes you three or four reads to FINALLY get the joke in the second panel?
It means your logic, or perhaps your priorities, and this person's are not the same. I know the clitoris is formed from basically the same tissue as the glans, and thus I can see someone thinking that the urethra must be similarly associated. This person obviously thought that wherever urine emerged, there must the glans-analog be.

Okay, this was funny the third read-through. The first one, I got the idea, for some reason, that Marten's teacher thought the urethra opened up at the tip of the clitoris. I could see some wierd logic in that, but the porn ref made no sense at all. The third read, I got it. Ha. Ha HA ha.
I had the same first impression. Then I got it. Ouch!
I don't know whether to take comfort in or be frightened about this.

For the moment, I'll take comfort.



Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2010, 10:56
I don't know if this is recent news or something... but did you know that sven played W.O.W.? Not only that he plays a horde character?

Exibit A: http://twitter.com/svenbianchi/status/2270360964

It started looking up since last night i woke in the middle of the night and said: "Jesus christ sven is going hook up with marigold" and then i went back to sleep.

I mean, he also said that he was attracted to curvaceous ladies, and marigold seems to fit that model!!!

Am i crazy for thinking this?

Am i crazy to wake up and say things out of the blue about the characters' relations in a webcomic????

This has been hypothesized since Marigold was introduced, since it was already known that Sven played.  No, I'm not digging up links.  I'm busy proctoring an exam...

Well, not too  busy.  you knw...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 11 Nov 2010, 11:24
This has been hypothesized since Marigold was introduced, since it was already known that Sven played.  No, I'm not digging up links.  I'm busy proctoring an exam...

Well, not too  busy.  you knw...
Haha, well after i posted what i said, i ... ehm, searched on google, and find a bazilions post about the same thing, so no need to dig up links.

sorry for the useless post anyway! i should have "GOOGLE IT" sooner! :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mad Cat on 11 Nov 2010, 11:53
Question: In general, who discovers masturbation first? Boys or Girls? I think we all know girls mature sooner than boys, but boys in general are randy little monkeys from start to finish, so with respect to self-pleasure in THAT way, who starts doing it first?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 11 Nov 2010, 12:06
I dunno, but I suspect this topic needs a thread all its own. And, no, I am not gonna start one.

Also, after careful reflection, I've decided to blame my difficulty in getting panel three's joke on Martin's ending his sentence with a linking verb. Someone clout that man on the back of the head.

C'mon, Faye. I mean, this time, he actually deserves it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 11 Nov 2010, 12:47
Question: In general, who discovers masturbation first? Boys or Girls? I think we all know girls mature sooner than boys, but boys in general are randy little monkeys from start to finish, so with respect to self-pleasure in THAT way, who starts doing it first?

I think they discovered it at the same time (statiscally speaking anyway) but girls are better at hiding it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: dorp on 11 Nov 2010, 12:47
I literally just joined the forum to say: wait, what...?

Um, guys, I'm a female, and... I'm pretty sure my pee-hole IS on my clitoris. Or at the very least right directly underneath it. The two are certainly attached in a rather intimate manner. Is there something wrong with my anatomy, or is this a case of Jeph not actually having any clue about lady-parts?

This is so confusing.  :psyduck:



EDIT: Wait I just checked Wikipedia, and now I'm even more confused. The diagrams have the urethra seriously like half a frikkin inch down from the clitoris, while I can clearly see (and feel) that my clitoris and urethra are one joined structure. Whaaaaaaat... you'd think I'd have been informed of this being an odd thing by like, say, my gynecologist. She took the time to tell me about the freckle on my labia, but not about my urethra being in the wrong spot?

Talkin about my cunt to strangers on the internet woooooooooo.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: IanClark on 11 Nov 2010, 12:48
Yeah, I just got the joke. What's confusing is that at first you think it's referring to functionality as opposed to location. For the life of me I can't think of a better way to word it, so I guess I can't exactly judge.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dusk on 11 Nov 2010, 12:52
Question: In general, who discovers masturbation first? Boys or Girls? I think we all know girls mature sooner than boys, but boys in general are randy little monkeys from start to finish, so with respect to self-pleasure in THAT way, who starts doing it first?

My vote is for boys because their equipment is more visible than ours. However, that said, a lot of girls "accidentally" discover how good it feels to rub up against something and I think can actually have an orgasm (as far as I know) at a young age, as strange as it sounds. (I mean, they've got the muscle, right?) But boys still discover what it's for first, imo. But it definitely depends on the person...

Also, I love it when people say that the clit doesn't exist. Like, girls pee out of their vagina. Hahahaha yeah.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: sitnspin on 11 Nov 2010, 13:11
In college (I forget which class, Gender and Sexuality possibly) we watched an episode of one of those daytime talk shows where the guest was a woman who was born without a vaginal opening. While taking questions from the audience, a grown woman asked her how she urinated. The guest replied "Umm, how do YOU urinate" and the audience member replied "Out of my vagina"

Yes, there are unfortunately a large number of people who do not even know their own bodies well enough to know where their pee comes out.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 11 Nov 2010, 13:14
Bahaha -- no transition, just jump from Marigold's fanfic to masturbation discussion at CoD!   :lol:  As funny as the end punchline was, I liked Marten's line in panel 3 the most.  He's saying the porn dudes left "that area alone" and since one would have to bypass the urethra to get to the clit, he's basically saying porn dudes don't bother to actually stimulate the clits of the porn chicks -- thus ensuring that any guys who get their sex ed from porn would have no idea where the clit is, let alone how to stimulate it.  Assuming of course that such guys would take the porn at face value and not faked at all, which I'm sure never happens.  (Yay for overexplaining.  *smashes pie in own face*)

And don't worry, dorp, everyone is built a little differently.  Ask your Ob/Gyn what's up next time you go, if you're concerned.  And hey, at least your clit doesn't look like a tiny penis the way former female wrestler Chynna's does.  O_o  I really wish I didn't know that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2010, 13:33
EDIT: Wait I just checked Wikipedia, and now I'm even more confused. The diagrams have the urethra seriously like half a frikkin inch down from the clitoris...

Sorry, this was the first thing that came to mind (http://xkcd.com/631/).  Be sure to read the mouseover text! 

Quote
She took the time to tell me about the freckle on my labia, but not about my urethra being in the wrong spot?

A suddenly appearing oddly-placed freckle can be a sign of skin cancer, which is of more concern that a slightly different build.  I mean, when you think of all the variation in penii penisesis weiners dicks, it's not surprising that there's a lot of variation in women's parts, too. 

No worries! 

Quote
Talkin about my cunt to strangers on the internet woooooooooo.

We appreciate it, really!  It's nice you're that comfortable with it.  Or us.  Whatever. 

And besides, you won't find anyone stranger anywhere else!  [rimshot]
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mayhem on 11 Nov 2010, 14:28
“It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again”

But seriously I never truly understood just how bad the American sex education was until starting uni and meeting many an exchange student. Some of the things they believe about sex and contraception are both baffling and frightening. For example one girl started the pill whilst over here and rather than beginning the packet right after her period like she should have she waited until a Sunday to start it as the packets week started on a Sunday.

Unfortunately our health education is becoming pretty pathetic as well; I’m sick of explaining that babies and urine do not actually come from the same hole.
That's not really her fault, though. If you read all the information that comes with your birth control packet (Which I have several times) it says you can either start the day after your period - and it provides a little sticker so you can change what the days of the week are on your packet - OR you can wait until the Sunday after your period to begin. When I started mine, the doctor prescribing them suggested I start the Sunday after. I did. This was 4 years ago, and it's always worked for me.

So, I don't think it's quite the problem you seemed to mean. While there are MANY problems with American sex ed, that's not one of them, if you ask me. Especially since GOD FORBID they ever talk to us about birth control IN sex ed. I'm self-taught, and so are most of my female friends. Now THAT'S the problem.

/rant
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Nov 2010, 16:25
jwhouk, it means you should probably explain it for us dumbasses who are none the wiser after six or seven?

... please?

Three words: Location, location, location.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Nov 2010, 16:31
I dunno, but I suspect this topic needs a thread all its own. And, no, I am not gonna start one.

Also, after careful reflection, I've decided to blame my difficulty in getting panel three's joke on Martin's ending his sentence with a linking verb. Someone clout that man on the back of the head.

C'mon, Faye. I mean, this time, he actually deserves it.
Yanno, I actually had that same thought. Had he said, "According to my high school health teacher, the lady's clitoris is actually located where the lady's pee-hole is", it would have been MUCH clearer.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: flamingo on 11 Nov 2010, 16:46
“It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again”

But seriously I never truly understood just how bad the American sex education was until starting uni and meeting many an exchange student. Some of the things they believe about sex and contraception are both baffling and frightening. For example one girl started the pill whilst over here and rather than beginning the packet right after her period like she should have she waited until a Sunday to start it as the packets week started on a Sunday.

Unfortunately our health education is becoming pretty pathetic as well; I’m sick of explaining that babies and urine do not actually come from the same hole.
That's not really her fault, though. If you read all the information that comes with your birth control packet (Which I have several times) it says you can either start the day after your period - and it provides a little sticker so you can change what the days of the week are on your packet - OR you can wait until the Sunday after your period to begin. When I started mine, the doctor prescribing them suggested I start the Sunday after. I did. This was 4 years ago, and it's always worked for me.

So, I don't think it's quite the problem you seemed to mean. While there are MANY problems with American sex ed, that's not one of them, if you ask me. Especially since GOD FORBID they ever talk to us about birth control IN sex ed. I'm self-taught, and so are most of my female friends. Now THAT'S the problem.

/rant

Straight up.

I feel it. I tried to look up info about the morning after pill , to see how it works, in a health book and when I was lookin in the index there was absolutely NOTHING about ANY contraception. You can probably learn more from Planned Parenthood website than in school.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Nov 2010, 17:24
Your opinion of Marigold's fanfic?

Bad.    - 2 (3.2%)
Worse than that.    - 6 (9.5%)
Horrid.    - 4 (6.3%)
Putrid.    - 0 (0%)
Not too bad, just needs a spellchecker.    - 0 (0%)
...and some editing.    - 2 (3.2%)
...and a complete re-write.    - 12 (19%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 4 (6.3%)
I've seen worse.    - 33 (52.4%)

Total Voters: 63

...Now the REAL question: Whose writing was worse? (And was your pen still in your hand at the time?)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mustang6172 on 11 Nov 2010, 18:27
Why did Sven's mom keep looking for socks after she found the first couple?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 11 Nov 2010, 19:08
Why did Sven's mom keep looking for socks after she found the first couple?

Maybe they had all become attached to each other in an amorphous mass of crusty socks?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to find my bottle of mindbleach.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: IanClark on 11 Nov 2010, 19:10
Could've all been in a pile. Or maybe they were moving and she lifted his mattress and OH THE HORROR!

Better question: What constitutes a young age? Given that they're only a year apart, provided Sven started masturbating at the average age (11, allegedly), and assuming Sven utilizes the same sock for about a while, you'd have to assume he'd have been doing it for around a year by the time his mom could find 30 socks under his bed. That makes Dora around 11, which is around the time I started sex ed in school. Even then I didn't learn anything I didn't already know by the age of 9. That means that if that's how Dora learned, odds are she actually learned later than most people I know.

Also, if she found 30 socks under his bed, why would she complain about the laundry? He clearly wasn't putting them back into the rotation.

Between those two things and the number of people who still haven't got the clitoris joke, I'm not sure today's comic was one of Jeph's best. Then again, it says a lot about his ability when at his worst he's still very good.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mustang6172 on 11 Nov 2010, 20:35
Well I first had sex ed around age 5 or 6.  I didn't really understand what I was seeing at the time so I suppose that's a young age.  I had sex ed again at ages 10, 12, 13, 15, and 17.  I guess that means I'm due for more.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 11 Nov 2010, 20:39
I categorically refuse to discuss what I masturbation to. Even in a poll.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Nov 2010, 20:57
Am I the only one on here who got the comic first time through? 

Edit: New comic's up! 

And Marten's "mystery man" gambit fails horribly. 

But what will Dora find? 


And what about Naomi? 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: fifthfiend on 11 Nov 2010, 21:09
Friday's got a case of the dumbs.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Moxie on 11 Nov 2010, 21:16
Judging by Faye's expression in the last panel, it looks like she really isn't sure she wants to know about Marten's porn after all. I find it to be an interesting reaction, especially given Dora's confidence that Marten isn't into anything beyond vanilla stuff.

I'm not sure what there is that could shock Dora in regards to sex/porn fetishes, but I hope Marten has got something that does shock her. It annoys me when a person is so confident that he/she is right because he/she just knows so much.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Nov 2010, 21:17
Dora's barking up the wrong tree.  He'd never masturbate in front of the family dog.  (I don't think I even have to link that one.)

And sheesh, she of all people should know it's always the ones you least suspect.  Especially when they're the children of dominatrices.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Nov 2010, 21:20
Marten Mystery Porn+Faye/Dora belief=FAIL!


He probably watches Anime Porn.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mustang6172 on 11 Nov 2010, 21:31
Pintsize wouldn't know what kind of porn Marten likes.  We established in the first comic that he doesn't let Pintsize see him masturbate.

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: daryljfontaine on 11 Nov 2010, 21:32
Marten faps while reading bad Harry Potter pornfic on the Internet.

D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Moxie on 11 Nov 2010, 21:38
Pintsize wouldn't know what kind of porn Marten likes.  We established in the first comic that he doesn't let Pintsize see him masturbate.

(image snipped)

Which makes it all the more amusing that Dora seems so confident Pintsize will know.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 11 Nov 2010, 22:08
All his spank bank consists of is Faye lookalikes.

JUST KIDDING!

I hope.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 11 Nov 2010, 22:16
Obviously he doesn't let Pintsize see him jerk-off (need I say how creepy that'd be?), but he does use Pintsize to download porn as evidenced here. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=112)

I must say I am extremely intrigued as to what Marten doesn't seem to want Dora of all people to know. She's his girlfriend, I would think she'd already know what kind of porn he likes!

spank bank

Must remember that one.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Exar_Kun on 11 Nov 2010, 22:32
Judging from the Pintsize twitter, I'm pretty sure Dora will be absolutely horrified by the porn/shock images Pintsize has on file. As well she should. Why the hell can't she ever respect peoples' privacy?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Ferahgo the Assassin on 11 Nov 2010, 22:40
Oh boy, another plot thread that makes me groan at the implicit dysfunctionality of Marten and Dora's relationship. First off, Dora needs to learn to respect people's privacy. Asking Pintsize what Marten faps to is just a small step above searching his computer against his will. Second off, is it normal for couples who've been together for a while to not be aware of what one another jerks it to? My boyfriend and I are both very open about what gets us off and there's enough overlap that a large amount can be enjoyed... together. That's a nice part of a relationship imho and it's weird to imagine couples being sneaky about what they get off to. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ysth on 11 Nov 2010, 22:44
I must say I am extremely intrigued as to what Marten doesn't seem to want Dora of all people to know.
Mimes.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Arancaytar on 11 Nov 2010, 22:57
Perhaps he's secretly a furry? Or into robots? :P
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 11 Nov 2010, 22:59
Oh good, I'm just in time for the influx of people who hate Dora and want to talk about what a categorical bitch she is! Woooooo!

My prediction on Marten's secret spank bank? Not mimes, no; giraffes.

Quote from: Tycho Brahe
Who couldn't appreciate those long necks? So slender...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: IanClark on 11 Nov 2010, 23:48
Oh boy, another plot thread that makes me groan at the implicit dysfunctionality of Marten and Dora's relationship. First off, Dora needs to learn to respect people's privacy. Asking Pintsize what Marten faps to is just a small step above searching his computer against his will. Second off, is it normal for couples who've been together for a while to not be aware of what one another jerks it to? My boyfriend and I are both very open about what gets us off and there's enough overlap that a large amount can be enjoyed... together. That's a nice part of a relationship imho and it's weird to imagine couples being sneaky about what they get off to. I just don't get it.

So to recap... Dora needs to learn to respect Marten's privacy by not needing to know the thing all couples probably need to know about each other? Also, asking Pintsize is several steps above searching someone's computer at will. It's somewhere between asking someone's roommate and peeking at their DVD collection. For one thing, presumably they're not going to watch any of it, just find out what kind it is. For another, they're also only searching for porn. I know that if someone searched my computer, there would be a lot more I'd be afraid of than just someone finding my porn collection. While it might rank high on the priority list, it would probably be the sheer volume of personal information of any stripe they could find, as well as the omnipresent fear that they were going to hack into my social media accounts (Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc.) and fuck me over somehow.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Sorflakne on 12 Nov 2010, 00:23
Hm, we know there's a very good chance Marten's into hentai (yes, he said the stash was Pintsize's, but the way he said it...), but that wouldn't be enough to make him all nervous about saying anything...

Ten Internet cookies says that even Pintsize refuses to say what Marty watches, because it disturbs even him. 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Arancaytar on 12 Nov 2010, 00:27
Oh good, I'm just in time for the influx of people who hate Dora and want to talk about what a categorical bitch she is! Woooooo!

My prediction on Marten's secret spank bank? Not mimes, no; giraffes.

Quote from: Tycho Brahe
Who couldn't appreciate those long necks? So slender...


I thought Tycho was into ostriches (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/9/)?

Well, I suppose the neck thing applies to them too. :P
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Nov 2010, 00:31
I categorically refuse to discuss what I masturbation to. Even in a poll.
LOL you think anyone gives a honest answer to THAT poll ? :-D

(Seriously, masturbation to a COMIC ? WTF ??? Who would do that)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Arky on 12 Nov 2010, 00:31
Not the first time Dora has shown just a bit of disrespect for Marten (the "whitebread" comment).  I think it's past time that she gave him the kick up the backside she gave to Faye and Penelope not so long ago:  go do something with yourself instead of accepting life as a minimum wage peon.  Dora needs to get over her jealousy issues, sure- but Marten has some evolving to do too if this relationship is going to move on, and maybe that's where this is going.  Growing a spine over the most recent jealous rage incident was a good start- now to apply that to other parts of his life, you know?  I mean, despite having a super drummer in Hanners, when was the last time we saw him try to make anything of his band?  Dora has enough go-getter in her that if Marten doesn't show SOME ambition she will grow to have contempt for him- and one couldn't blame her, really.

Oh, and Marty's porn (if revealed at all) should be busty brunettes with Southern accents.  Or OCD fetishes.  Or BDSM stuff similar to his mom's movies (but not his mom). Or else his dark secret is he doesn't actually watch porn.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mickcheese on 12 Nov 2010, 00:36
Man, I hope he doesn't spank it to dominatrices.

That'd be some serious Freudian shit, right there.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Nov 2010, 01:06
Oh good, I'm just in time for the influx of people who hate Dora and want to talk about what a categorical bitch she is! Woooooo!

My prediction on Marten's secret spank bank? Not mimes, no; giraffes.

Quote from: Tycho Brahe
Who couldn't appreciate those long necks? So slender...


I thought Tycho was into ostriches (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/9/)?

Well, I suppose the neck thing applies to them too. :P

Nothing you saw was illegal...in the countries it was filmed. (http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215539431_rm82u-L-2.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Tergon on 12 Nov 2010, 01:14
Clearly Marten's internet browsing history is nothing but Rule 34 of Questionable Content.  Because he's just so Meta.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Nov 2010, 01:31
Here's a twist: it's all skinny, pale Goth chicks with short hair and Dora's body type...








...in autoerotic asphyxiation scenes.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Ethereal on 12 Nov 2010, 01:34
Two words.  Furniture porn.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 12 Nov 2010, 01:45
Or else his dark secret is he doesn't actually watch porn.
OMG! Shame never to be borne!

Quote
Dora has enough go-getter in her that if Marten doesn't show SOME ambition she will grow to have contempt for him- and one couldn't blame her, really.
Yeah, though Marten is a cartoon character, and time passes differently for them, but he is drifting. I was disappointed that Marten and Hanners apparently lost interest in the band as soon as they'd had the good luck to have the least talented musician (if that's the right word for Natasha) flounce off. We haven't heard anything about Marten's foray into music blogging for ages either. But then we've seen Marten pretty much dismiss being in a real band because it's hard work. :(  I hear a chorus of my ancestors shouting: "只要功夫深,铁杵磨成针!" *

I've just had a horrid realisation that I'm going to turn out just like my Grandma and Mum. :laugh: 

*"if you work at it hard enough, you can grind an iron bar into a needle."  Unlike most "Chinese proverbs" you hear, this really is a Chinese proverb!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Delator on 12 Nov 2010, 02:22
...we already know this.

It's Guitar Porn

Anthropomorphic guitars.

Plucking each other's strings. Tuning each other in public.

It's getting me hot...and I'm not even into that stuff.  :-P

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 12 Nov 2010, 02:38
But then we've seen Marten pretty much dismiss being in a real band because it's hard work. :(
When was that? I don't remember it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Nov 2010, 02:44
I'm calling Pintsize claiming that it is the kind of stuff he posts on his twitter, and Marten having to point out that asking Pintsize is just asking to be lied to.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 12 Nov 2010, 02:47
Hello, here's another long-time lurker finally setting up her own account :) (well, long-time is too much, I've been following this forum for some weeks since I accidentally clicked on it and had to read and then it didn't let me go :( )
Aaand the first post is about Marten's porn collection (I hope Dora gets shut down by Pintsize or something. Or like Nodaisho said. Seriously)... No, I'm going to bitch about Marten's and Dora's relationship (since this forum hasn't talked about them enough).
Maan, Dora gets me raging again. No, I don't hate her, everyone of us has his/her crazy bitch moments, but if you have them on a regular basis, you need someone who isn't afraid to call you out on it. Yes, wanting to see your boyfriends porn collection against his will is not like nearly breaking up with him over a hug, but it Dora's behaviour towards Marten is, again, unacceptable. And he allows her to treat him like this! MARTEN, get a backbone :S

and, as far as I remember, Marten just doesn't see how he can make a living off his music, that's it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=448)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Skewbrow on 12 Nov 2010, 02:52
I may well be reading too much into it, but look at panel two. Marten is replying to Dora's comment, but looking at Faye. My explanation/theory: Marten will not mind sharing his fantasy material with Dora, but wants to leave Faye out. Prediction: Marten runs after Dora, and later they return to CoD wearing a smile.

So contrary to what some posters seem to wish, this little episode will bind Dora & Marten closer together.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Karilyn on 12 Nov 2010, 02:59
I dunno, but I suspect this topic needs a thread all its own. And, no, I am not gonna start one.

Also, after careful reflection, I've decided to blame my difficulty in getting panel three's joke on Martin's ending his sentence with a linking verb. Someone clout that man on the back of the head.

C'mon, Faye. I mean, this time, he actually deserves it.
Yanno, I actually had that same thought. Had he said, "According to my high school health teacher, the lady's clitoris is actually located where the lady's pee-hole is", it would have been MUCH clearer.
:psyduck: Well NOW I get it after the 10th time of reading it and giving up, THEN reading your post.

I guess the reason this one is so confusing is due to Jeff's word choice.  And the fact that it wouldn't be the most unreasonable incorrect assumption that women pee out of their clitoris, due to the clitoris being anatomically analogous to the head of the male penis.  That, and because in porn, the male actors really DO tend to leave the clitoris alone.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 12 Nov 2010, 03:06
I may well be reading too much into it, but look at panel two. Marten is replying to Dora's comment, but looking at Faye.
I interpreted it a little different; I think that Marten replies to Faye's "I bet he's into some weird fetish" comment, then he would look into the right direction.
And, related, look how Faye looks really unhappy in the last panel. I like to think that she feels bad about giving Dora the idea of askin' Pintsize
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 12 Nov 2010, 03:12
RE: Marten's collection; it's all hidden camera footage from the loos in the bars he frequents. And not just the ladies' either. :P
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Nov 2010, 03:31
Do I understand this correctly ? You're supposed to be interested into interesting kinds of porn now ?


Oh boy, another plot thread that makes me groan at the implicit dysfunctionality of Marten and Dora's relationship.
Nah, its just part of Dora's special charm. Boring people are boring.


Or else his dark secret is he doesn't actually watch porn.
OMG! Shame never to be borne!
Oh the weird standards of sexuality.


[...] I'm going to bitch about Marten's and Dora's relationship (since this forum hasn't talked about them enough).
Dont forget to make some theories of Sven as well, then. Its tradition. :-P
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Nov 2010, 03:41
Hello, here's another long-time lurker finally setting up her own account :) (well, long-time is too much, I've been following this forum for some weeks since I accidentally clicked on it and had to read and then it didn't let me go :( )
Aaand the first post is about Marten's porn collection (I hope Dora gets shut down by Pintsize or something. Or like Nodaisho said. Seriously)... No, I'm going to bitch about Marten's and Dora's relationship (since this forum hasn't talked about them enough).
Maan, Dora gets me raging again. No, I don't hate her, everyone of us has his/her crazy bitch moments, but if you have them on a regular basis, you need someone who isn't afraid to call you out on it. Yes, wanting to see your boyfriends porn collection against his will is not like nearly breaking up with him over a hug, but it Dora's behaviour towards Marten is, again, unacceptable. And he allows her to treat him like this! MARTEN, get a backbone :S

and, as far as I remember, Marten just doesn't see how he can make a living off his music, that's it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=448)

Fellow forumgoers, I have a dream.

That one day Dora can be involved in a story arc without people coming in expressly to call her a bitch. Or imply that she's a bitch. Or call her a crazy bitch/imply she's mentally unsound. Yes, I have a dream that someday, Jeph will make a strip where Dora interacts with another human being, possibly even her fucking significant other, without being belittled or insulted or having people call for her removal from the strip! That one day, people will recognize that Marty and Dora actually have a fairly healthy relationship! I HAVE A DREAM!
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 12 Nov 2010, 04:22
Perhaps people wouldn't be so hard on Dora if she actually started treating Martin with respect, and not a "white bread" slightly lame hair-ruffle target? He expressly stated to Dora that he considers his "stash" on the AnthroPC to be private. A respectful lover would realize that he has the right to private things and would understand it.

But Dora, being... Dora... doesn't care, and so we see shenaningans ensue where the two girls will proceed to ignore Martins wishes and tramp through Martin's private things, pawing across them with all the care and kindness of a St. Bernard, and without a doubt there will be jokes at Martin's expense.

PUNS, even.

And that is why people dislike Dora.

As for Martin's "stash"?

Who knows what a real-life Marten would have on his AnthroPC. Of course Jeph would never dream of turning his character into someone with squik-inducing violent porn on his PC (or worse), but I will say this with certainty-
The scariest, darkest, most insane serial killers- the ones with fifteen people buried in their backyards?

They aren't the ones wandering around on the streets screaming at pigeons.

They're the ones who seem the most normal. They go about their days in society, make friends, seem perfectly sociable... until someone starts finding the bodies.

Dora, you may poo-poo Marten and his "white bread", easygoing lifestyle... but it's the people that nobody notices that slip through the cracks.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Border Reiver on 12 Nov 2010, 04:29
Loved Marten's call for a last bit of privacy - and loved Dora calling him on it more.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 12 Nov 2010, 05:07
...we already know this.

It's Guitar Porn

Anthropomorphic guitars.

Plucking each other's strings. Tuning each other in public.

It's getting me hot...and I'm not even into that stuff.  :-P



Kinda like WetRiffs.com (http://xkcd.com/305/)?

Also, here (http://www.humansexmap.com/) is a map for you guys of everything Marten could be into.
The second most weird thing about the map is Jesus.
The most weird thing about the map is that Jesus sex dolls actually exist.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Karilyn on 12 Nov 2010, 06:17
Also, here (http://www.humansexmap.com/) is a map for you guys of everything Marten could be into.
The second most weird thing about the map is Jesus.
The most weird thing about the map is that Jesus sex dolls actually exist.
I actually filled that one (http://tinyurl.com/2fnc29e) out once.  Found that it was actually missing about half my fetishes.  I noticed that chart seemed to be strangely biased towards gay male culture.

I feel disappointed, as I feel like that chart makes me sound more vanilla than I actually am.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 06:18
Fanfic to masturbation to...?

Marigold & Tai and sloppy makeouts!    - 6 (10.9%)
Sven and Marigold cybering in WOW.    - 4 (7.3%)
Marigold distracted enough that Dale beats her PVP!    - 6 (10.9%)
Hannelore. It always goes back to Hannelore.    - 13 (23.6%)
Pintsize's porn collection is accidentally erased!    - 5 (9.1%)
Worse fanfic: PENELOPE!    - 3 (5.5%)
Even WORSE fanfic: WILL!    - 2 (3.6%)
Faye and Angus makeout to Toto Fanfic!    - 7 (12.7%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 3 (5.5%)
Get your filthy minds out of the gutter, people.    - 6 (10.9%)

Total Voters: 55

---

And I think I can guess which one of our MOTW choices will win hands down, but I'm putting other ones up there anyways.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 06:29
I categorically refuse to discuss what I masturbation to. Even in a poll.

Heh heh... I just realized I made a grammar mistake akin to what Marten did in the comic.

My bad.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: kent_eh on 12 Nov 2010, 06:30
But what will Dora find?  

She will find an AnthroPC who lies to her for his own amusement.

And a wide variety of bizarre porn which stretches the limits of Rule 34.
None of it will be Marten's, and the mystery will continue.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 06:34
Marten faps while reading bad Harry Potter pornfic on the Internet.

D

And that would put a nice, thoughtful bow on the week's escapades.

Ah, but there's always this:

Ten Internet cookies says that even Pintsize refuses to say what Marty watches, because it disturbs even him. 

Ah, but really I'm betting on this:

Or else his dark secret is he doesn't actually watch porn.

This by about 100,000,000x.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 06:44
<snip>
I hear a chorus of my ancestors shouting: "只要功夫深,铁杵磨成针!" *

I've just had a horrid realisation that I'm going to turn out just like my Grandma and Mum. :laugh: 

*"if you work at it hard enough, you can grind an iron bar into a needle."  Unlike most "Chinese proverbs" you hear, this really is a Chinese proverb!

Google Translate didn't do a very good job with your original characters, milady.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tbones on 12 Nov 2010, 06:57
Hello, here's another long-time lurker finally setting up her own account :) (well, long-time is too much, I've been following this forum for some weeks since I accidentally clicked on it and had to read and then it didn't let me go :( )
Aaand the first post is about Marten's porn collection (I hope Dora gets shut down by Pintsize or something. Or like Nodaisho said. Seriously)... No, I'm going to bitch about Marten's and Dora's relationship (since this forum hasn't talked about them enough).
Maan, Dora gets me raging again. No, I don't hate her, everyone of us has his/her crazy bitch moments, but if you have them on a regular basis, you need someone who isn't afraid to call you out on it. Yes, wanting to see your boyfriends porn collection against his will is not like nearly breaking up with him over a hug, but it Dora's behaviour towards Marten is, again, unacceptable. And he allows her to treat him like this! MARTEN, get a backbone :S

and, as far as I remember, Marten just doesn't see how he can make a living off his music, that's it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=448)

Fellow forumgoers, I have a dream.

That one day Dora can be involved in a story arc without people coming in expressly to call her a bitch. Or imply that she's a bitch. Or call her a crazy bitch/imply she's mentally unsound. Yes, I have a dream that someday, Jeph will make a strip where Dora interacts with another human being, possibly even her fucking significant other, without being belittled or insulted or having people call for her removal from the strip! That one day, people will recognize that Marty and Dora actually have a fairly healthy relationship! I HAVE A DREAM!

"I have a dream my life would beee
so different from this hell i'm living, so different now, for what it seeeeeeemed..."

But seriously though, what is wrong about a girl that wants to know things about his boyfriend? And even something like the porn he likes...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: zadojla on 12 Nov 2010, 07:08
I went back and looked at the comic, paying attention to where everyone was standing and who they were looking at and I came to two alternative conclusions:

1 - Marten is into to something unusual enough to disturb or offend Dora, and Faye knows or suspects what it is.

- or -

2 - The porn Dora finds will cause trouble all around, like hidden camera videos of Faye herself, and Faye's expression is concern that Dora is mistreating Marten yet again.

Or, Pintsize just lies and hijinks ensue.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Taigan on 12 Nov 2010, 07:24
Or, Pintsize just lies and hijinks ensue.
Most likely.

And I suspect Marten's secret fetish is cross-dressing.  That Hello Kitty belt was a sign I tell you!!  :laugh:

Seriously, if I do half-suspect that's Marten's secret because it's about the only thing that hasn't been in the strip already. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 12 Nov 2010, 07:28
Actually, for once, I'm willing to jump onto the "Dora's a bitch" bandwagon. He asked for privacy, she decides to walk all over it? Then again, it is a typical female reaction, extrapolated a bit. I'm speaking, of course, of one's SO thinking, once you're having sex and everything, that it's okay to walk into the bathroom while you're perched on the throne, and, worse, she actually wants to have a conversation. There are lines, ladies, lines  that should not be crossed. And yet, you trample…

Or maybe it's just me and Opus that have a problem with this.

I categorically refuse to discuss what I masturbation to. Even in a poll.
LOL you think anyone gives a honest answer to THAT poll ? :-D

(Seriously, masturbation to a COMIC ? WTF ??? Who would do that)
I was riffing on the grammar. I suppose I should have written "I categorically refuse to discuss what I to masturbation to." It's masturbate, dammit.

As for Marten's porn, I have a prediction: it's his mom's performances. That's why Marten got so pissed when Dora kept carrying on about hero-worshipping Veronica. (Of course, now Jeph will natrually not do that, but that's likely a good thing. Maybe even a very good thing)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 12 Nov 2010, 07:48
No.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Skewbrow on 12 Nov 2010, 08:01
Google Translate didn't do a very good job with your original characters, milady.

I was mildly surprised/impressed that just copy/pasting Akima's writings into Google search worked fine. The text under her avatar gives several hits, where the gist is about women supporting half the sky. The stuff about turning an iron rod into a needle started appearing on page three of google hits - the first two pages were all Chinese.


And I suspect Marten's secret fetish is cross-dressing.  That Hello Kitty belt was a sign I tell you!!  :laugh:

Seriously, if I do half-suspect that's Marten's secret because it's about the only thing that hasn't been in the strip already. :roll:

Yup. It does look like Marten is hiding something. I would like to rule out hidden camera videos and pics of MartyMom as too creepy, though Dora probably wouldn't mind finding some Veronica Vance stuff. As "evidence" supporting the cross-dressing theory: didn't Faye at some point compare Marten & Pintsize to Benny Hill?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: ecstaticjoy on 12 Nov 2010, 08:24
I'm speaking, of course, of one's SO thinking, once you're having sex and everything, that it's okay to walk into the bathroom while you're perched on the throne, and, worse, she actually wants to have a conversation. There are lines, ladies, lines  that should not be crossed. And yet, you trample…
Personally, I wholeheartedly believe in preserving the lines between two people in a relationship. Where's the fun if there isn't any mystery? Maybe that's why more people get divorced these days. Intimacy doesn't have to mean knowing every thought in the other person's head or doing disgusting things in front of them.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Nov 2010, 08:51
I think that may be why Marten pulled the Pandora ploy, as an attempt to scare them into respect for his privacy.  It seemed to work on Faye, but backfired on Dora. 

And may backfire even further! 

Actually, I suspect his Pandora's box is literal - crotch shots of some pr0nstar named Pandora... :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 12 Nov 2010, 09:25
I don't have any particular issues with my lady-friends knowing what I'm into per se, it's just that I prefer to know ahead of time if they will react to the revelation with violence and/or freak-outs.

...which is probably why Marten wants Dora to stay away from Pintsize's HDD, now that I think about it.

Alternative theory: Marten's entire collection is devoted to Dora's heretofore unmentioned little sister, Zoe Voss.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 12 Nov 2010, 10:24
Actually, for once, I'm willing to jump onto the "Dora's a bitch" bandwagon. He asked for privacy, she decides to walk all over it? Then again, it is a typical female reaction, extrapolated a bit. I'm speaking, of course, of one's SO thinking, once you're having sex and everything, that it's okay to walk into the bathroom while you're perched on the throne, and, worse, she actually wants to have a conversation. There are lines, ladies, lines  that should not be crossed. And yet, you trample…

Humorous hyperbole notwithstanding, it would be nice if you could avoid such overt overgeneralizations.  For the record, I am female, I do respect others' privacy, and I sure as hell don't want to see my SO on the toilet, or vice-versa -- we're both closed-bathroom people, tyvm.

Regarding porn, it really is something a couple should be able to discuss openly, but both members need to get to that point willingly.  Even if they don't end up sharing or watching porn together, they should be aware of and accepting of each other's turn-ons, and willing to accept that sometimes someone just wants to wank rather than fuck (expediency?).  As long as they're communicating and having sex on a regular basis that suits them both, it's all good.  Dora marching off to interrogate Pintsize about Marten's porn stash when Marten isn't ready to show her is pushy and intrusive, and she may not like what she finds.  Of course, Pintsize lying and messing with her is the more likely outcome, but we'll see.

As to what Marten is into, I could say he has pics and vids of his ex-girlfriends, but . . . I'm gonna go with elder porn.   :psyduck:  Or, maybe, instead of being into his own mom's fetish stuff, he's got a stash of nudies featuring Dora's mom.

And I gotta say I really love Marty's "Do you really wanna know that about me?" speech and expression in panel 3.  He aimed that speech at Faye and seems to have convinced her that she does not, in fact, want to know, which is pretty impressive.  As ever, the expressions in this strip are really great.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Wiregeek on 12 Nov 2010, 11:52
I'm loving how Marten isn't allowed to have any privacy at all.

I just figured it out, Jeph isn't 'feminist', he's misandrist.

fuck a lot of this, I'mma go play minecraft.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: fixed11 on 12 Nov 2010, 11:55
Oh, man, guys! Next Monday will be so great. A number of things could happen.

- Marty-Sue's porn consists of women that look like Faye - Dora will get mad again at Marty-Sue and the fans will hate her more, despite Faye bringing up that they should ask Pintsize about his porn tastes - Pintsize says something wacky

- Marty-Sue's porn consists of women that look like Dora 'cause he's such a nice guy and loves her - Dora is guilty and the fans hate her more - Pintsize says something wacky

- Marty-Sue isn't actually into porn because he's just such a nice guy and in love with Dora - Dora is guilty and the fans hate her more - Pintsize says something wacky

I could list more but it will all pretty much conclude with our fav unrealistic dialog and strips ending with shoe-horned jokes about SEX or someone beingQUIRKY
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: SleeperCylon on 12 Nov 2010, 12:18
I don't know.  The republican legislature proves you can be whitebred and still be into some pretty sick stuff.  I think the sicker your fettish, the harder you try to act the suburban norm.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 12 Nov 2010, 12:18
I see it more as teasing than serious transgressions against Marten's privacy.
Kinda like the "I'm gonna tell the boy you have a crush on that you like him" of youth, and Dora seems to be the girl who would go up to said crush say "hi" and get scared before running back to friends giggling.
She'll probably start to ask Pintsize and get scared halfway through.
Then Pintsize will blurt it out anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Caleb on 12 Nov 2010, 12:40
I am calling this one.

His porn collection consists of naked pictures of Raven he found on the Internet.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Saral on 12 Nov 2010, 12:46
The actual clues are around their.

It needs to be something Dora will worry over. (This is why Marten doesn't want to admit it.)

His mother gave him lotion. (So it's something that needs that)

It's obvious that his porn involves men being given anal by strap on. This will worry Dora that he's like his Dad....
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Ferahgo the Assassin on 12 Nov 2010, 13:18
So to recap... Dora needs to learn to respect Marten's privacy by not needing to know the thing all couples probably need to know about each other? Also, asking Pintsize is several steps above searching someone's computer at will. It's somewhere between asking someone's roommate and peeking at their DVD collection. For one thing, presumably they're not going to watch any of it, just find out what kind it is. For another, they're also only searching for porn. I know that if someone searched my computer, there would be a lot more I'd be afraid of than just someone finding my porn collection. While it might rank high on the priority list, it would probably be the sheer volume of personal information of any stripe they could find, as well as the omnipresent fear that they were going to hack into my social media accounts (Facebook, Twitter, blogs, etc.) and fuck me over somehow.

Uhhh yeah because snooping behind someone's back is the only way to find out things about each other??

They both suck for having been in this relationship for a while and have never openly discussed this. Marten sucks for not being honest with Dora when she asks, and Dora sucks for snooping.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Nov 2010, 13:21
I agree that Marten deserves some privacy, but I don't see this as a privacy issue. As his girlfriend with whom he's very sexually active with, Dora has a right to know what porn excites him.

After all, if Marten's dad had been a little more open about what he was really into, (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=433) he and his mom probably could have been spared some heartache.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 12 Nov 2010, 13:58
I don't know.  The republican legislature proves you can be whitebred and still be into some pretty sick stuff.  I think the sicker your fettish, the harder you try to act the suburban norm.

I think you might be confusing cause and consequence here. For example, there are opinions which assume that the more dominant you are in everyday life (due to being in an important position or whatnot), the more likely you are to be into BDSM and have the sub role because they need some kind of compensation for the stress of always keeping up to their role.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Magravan on 12 Nov 2010, 14:18
If he was serious, he would have said "Dora, this is actually important to me and I'm not kidding around. I'm not comfortable with sharing this, and you need to respect my privacy."

He opted for a joke, so who is going to take him seriously? Their relationship isn't as screwed up as some of you seem to think, and I think that some people might be missing the subtext there. If Marten really wants this kept private, he needs to stand up and say so. Does that cause Dora to get concerned and dump him? Maybe. There are some things that people aren't willing or able to bend on, and if you can't accomodate them, then sometimes you have to walk away.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 12 Nov 2010, 14:18
Fellow forumgoers, I have a dream. That one day Dora can be involved in a story arc without people coming in expressly to call her a bitch. Or imply that she's a bitch. Or call her a crazy bitch/imply she's mentally unsound. Yes, I have a dream that someday, Jeph will make a strip where Dora interacts with another human being, possibly even her fucking significant other, without being belittled or insulted or having people call for her removal from the strip! That one day, people will recognize that Marty and Dora actually have a fairly healthy relationship! I HAVE A DREAM!
LOL! A dream as noble, and as unlikely to come true, as Dr. King's.

Google Translate didn't do a very good job with your original characters, milady.
Google Translate is made of fail, linguistically and culturally, when it comes to Chinese. Babelfish does a little better, but not much, rendering 只要功夫深,铁杵磨成针 as "So long as the time deep, iron pestle grinds to the needle". Yes, 杵 can mean pestle, but it's hardly the most common usage nowadays. To be fair though, the proverb dates back at least to Tang dynasty poet Li Bai, and the language is archaic.

I was mildly surprised/impressed that just copy/pasting Akima's writings into Google search worked fine. The text under her avatar gives several hits, where the gist is about women supporting half the sky. The stuff about turning an iron rod into a needle started appearing on page three of google hits - the first two pages were all Chinese.
Google search works fine in Chinese because it doesn't need to understand, but just match. The hanzi under my avatar are a famous saying of Mao Zedong which translates as "Women hold up half the sky", a poetic way of saying that women have an equal part to play in society. Another noble dream yet to be fulfilled.  :-D




Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Kazukagii on 12 Nov 2010, 14:42
I have three predictions:

1. It isn't anything special. He's in to normal stuff, maybe involving hot indie chicks. Dora teases him about wanting privacy over nothing, and leaves. Marten then leans over to Pintsize and thanks him for not showing her the actual stuff. Pintsize: "Bros before hoes, Marten."

2. It's photos of Faye, or Raven or somebody they know. It might not even be particularly sexy, Dora might just ask, "What does Marten fap to?" and Pintsize pulls up a folder of Faye candid photos. Then we will devolve into another Dora is insecure arc while the forum tears itself apart again over whether or not Dora is a bitch and should be with Marten.


3. The forum goers manage to predict every single scenario that Jeph could think of, and not wanting to let the forum goers ever be right, he has Marten talk Dora down and abandon the whole thing. Of course now that I said that he can't do it. You're locked in, Jeph, show us the goods.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 12 Nov 2010, 14:46
The hanzi under my avatar are a famous saying of Mao Zedong which translates as "Women hold up half the sky", a poetic way of saying that women have an equal part to play in society. Another noble dream yet to be fulfilled.  :-D
Well, considering it fulfilled or not depends on how you feel about sex differentialism, really.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Nov 2010, 15:26
As his girlfriend with whom he's very sexually active with, Dora has a right to know what porn excites him.

This repeated assertion is getting boring.  Some people may think that discussion of porn is crucial; but rest assured that there are others who have never had any interest in it, nor any need to discuss it because their partners also have no interest in it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Akima on 12 Nov 2010, 15:34
But then we've seen Marten pretty much dismiss being in a real band because it's hard work. :(
When was that? I don't remember it.
and, as far as I remember, Marten just doesn't see how he can make a living off his music, that's it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=448)
I was referencing this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1292) strip. In which mopey Marten received a deeply deserved kick in the pants from Tai.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Near Lurker on 12 Nov 2010, 16:56
Hmm...

An all-male orgy punctuated by high-fives.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Nov 2010, 17:07
This repeated assertion is getting boring.  Some people may think that discussion of porn is crucial; but rest assured that there are others who have never had any interest in it, nor any need to discuss it because their partners also have no interest in it.

I didn't say it was crucial; not all couples have to talk about it. I'm just saying that one's partner has a right to know about it if they want to.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 12 Nov 2010, 17:09
Fellow forumgoers, I have a dream.

That one day Dora can be involved in a story arc without people coming in expressly to call her a bitch. Or imply that she's a bitch. Or call her a crazy bitch/imply she's mentally unsound. Yes, I have a dream that someday, Jeph will make a strip where Dora interacts with another human being, possibly even her fucking significant other, without being belittled or insulted or having people call for her removal from the strip! That one day, people will recognize that Marty and Dora actually have a fairly healthy relationship! I HAVE A DREAM!
Heh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say Dora's always a crazy bitch. She certainly has her cute moments  (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1030). But at the moment, she's definitely crossing more borders than what I would call healthy in a relationship, and Marten doesn't call her out on it.

[troll] HE COULD HAVE HAD IT MUCH MORE EASY! FAYE TOTALLY WANTED IN HIS PANTS AND HE WAS EVEN IN HERS [/troll]
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 12 Nov 2010, 17:13
But at the moment, she's definitely crossing more borders than what I would call healthy in a relationship, and Marten doesn't call her out on it.

Have we ever truly seen him take a stand? To anyone? Anyone at all?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 12 Nov 2010, 17:30
The better question is does he REALLY need to?

He stands up for himself in life or death matters like with VespAvenger and Monk Spies, and is capable of setting ground rules like with Tai's behavior around Hanners, and Faye's behavior around Marigold.

Marten's pretty chill, if something SERIOUSLY bothers him, he does address it.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 17:39
If he was serious, he would have said "Dora, this is actually important to me and I'm not kidding around. I'm not comfortable with sharing this, and you need to respect my privacy."

He opted for a joke, so who is going to take him seriously?
<snip>

That's funny, because that's really not how I heard him say that little piece in the third panel. I heard a very serious, nearly sinister voice. Almost "Hello, Clarice"-like.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Nov 2010, 17:54
The hanzi under my avatar are a famous saying of Mao Zedong which translates as "Women hold up half the sky", a poetic way of saying that women have an equal part to play in society. Another noble dream yet to be fulfilled.  :-D
Well, considering it fulfilled or not depends on how you feel about sex differentialism, really.

I remember something written someplace about a "suitable helper", (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2:18&version=NIV) so I can't really argue with Mao's observation.

As his girlfriend with whom he's very sexually active with, Dora has a right to know what porn excites him.

This repeated assertion is getting boring.  Some people may think that discussion of porn is crucial; but rest assured that there are others who have never had any interest in it, nor any need to discuss it because their partners also have no interest in it.

Thank you. This is why I am still betting that he doesn't have a porn stash.

Here's my reasoning: my dad, every Sunday when he was growing up, had chicken for dinner.

Every. Freaking. Sunday.

After I was born, my parents went to NYC with me to see the Pope. On the plane ride back home, it was packed, I wasn't exactly happy, there were several other crying babies on the flight... and they served chicken for the in-flight meal.

My dad HATED chicken with a passion, and I can't remember more than a few times when we had chicken for dinner - especially on Sunday nights.

Of course, nowadays, can you guess what I LOVE to have for dinner? (And what I'm going to be eating shortly after I post this? Hint: Cordon bleu is my favorite version of it.)

I also had the same aversion to ham right after my mom passed away. Why? Because when anyone and everyone stopped by to give their condolences, they brought ham. TONS of it.

Given this line of reasoning, I'd almost bet that Marten has a near-aversion to porn, especially anything that would be considered "kinky", if only because of what his mom does for a living and what his dad is/does.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: O8h7w on 12 Nov 2010, 18:24
And why is that? Because all of you seem to have completely missed out on something that's horribly wrong in Marigold's fanfic. Hermione and Ginny can't both be 25 years old at the same time...
And thats all thats wrong with that fanfic ?


No, it's not the only thing that is wrong with the fanfic. But it's the only thing wrong with the fanfic that I didn't expect of Marigold!

(As for ageing potion, it doesn't actually change how old you are. But I have to agree that timeturning hourglass could mess things up pretty bad... )

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, back to what the discussion is about now (or at least a few minutes ago). It's quick changes in these forums...

And that is what Dora will find out about Marten's porn when she talks to Pintsize:

Opportunity #1:  Pintsize doesn't have a clue, according to comic #1 and in spite of another comic, which I can't find. Of course, Pintsize will show her something in the near of the weird things you can find on his twitter, just because he likes messing wtih people - but that shouldn't actually fool her, should it?

Opportunity #2:  Pintsize does have it on his harddrive, but shows something else to Dora just to mess with her.

Opportunity #3:  Pintsize does have it, but doesn't show it to Dora out of respect for Marten. Impossible - but it would nevertheless mean Pintsize would mess with Dora.

Opportunity #4:  Pintsize does have it, and shows it to Dora just to mess with Marten. Doesn't happen, since he would miss the opportunity to mess with Dora.

Opportunity #5:  Pintsize does have it, but doesn't want to show it since it disturbs him. Judging by his twitter feed, that rules out almost everything except normal porn... which is impossible because it's boring. Anyway, he would mess with Dora.

Opprtunity  #6:  Pintsize doesn't have what she's looking for, and tells her that... even more impossible than #3.


No matter how you look at it, Pintsize will just mess with Dora.

Then what about Marten's porn and fetishes, do they even exist? No is actually a reasonable answer, porn might turn him off since it's connected to his mother - as was just pointed out by jwhouk. And Hentai may be off limits because of Pintsize's obsession with that stuff. However, can't ignore what has been pointed out about cross-dressing (and anal strap-ons)... but I don't like the idea, so I'll stick to that he doesn't like porn at all.


Yet another too long post by me (but the first one in this forum, yay)
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: lunakitten on 12 Nov 2010, 18:34
I'm leaning towards the idea that Marten favors pretty straightforward porn, nothing really raunchy and at most maybe indie girls/suicide girls. :angel: Nothing shocking at all. Which is why he's embarrased. Everyone else has some sort of "exotic" leaning, so he's the odd one out.

And he wouldn't have to like really outre erotica, he might just be shy about sharing that part of himself- or have developed a need to keep aspects of his sexuality private, which I wouldn't find surprising. My sweetie likes pictures of pretty ladies naked (doesn't get any more simple than that- although he does favor them full figured), and it made him blush like nothing else when I found his stash while fixing his computer. He's still shy about it after 14 years together, and I can respect that. But I do tease him (gently) about his stash, and have occasionally slipped in pictures I found exciting as presents.  :oops: :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 12 Nov 2010, 18:34
OR. Marten tried to delete all his porn since he started dating Dora since he thinks porn violates some monogamy clause (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=803)
... he only tried to delete because you can't delete porn off Pintsize.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Delator on 12 Nov 2010, 19:12
My god...it happened.

Poor Marten...he has two girlfriends.  :psyduck:

It was Faye who got nosy, not Dora. Faye said "we" could ask Pintsize. Inviting herself into Marten's privacy. Dora didn't seem to catch it, but clearly Marten did, and set a firm line. Dora is now leaping way past that line, which she kinda has a right to do now that Faye managed to roll the ball up the hill for her.

Marten has two girlfriends.

His speech sunk in at some level with Faye I think, judging by her face in the last panel. Maybe she's just pissed she has to mind the shop herself for a while, but I'm guessing that she realizes she's crossing lines she shouldn't be, especially in regards to his relationship with Dora.

Next week...cue Angus. Should cure things nicely.  :-D

As for Marten and Dora, I expect that's more likely to end with ear-fucking or reverse cowgirl than actual drama.

...unless it's pics of his ex.  :-o


Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Nov 2010, 19:37
It's not his mother (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1048).
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tomart on 12 Nov 2010, 20:27
I'm leaning towards the idea that Marten favors pretty straightforward porn, nothing really raunchy and at most maybe indie girls/suicide girls. :angel: Nothing shocking at all. Which is why he's embarrased. Everyone else has some sort of "exotic" leaning, so he's the odd one out.

I do tease [my sweetie] (gently) about his stash, and have occasionally slipped in pictures I found exciting as presents.  :oops: :-D

That makes sense, about Marten.

And, I vote you the Ideal Wife/SO/Companion/Lover/Mate.  (Whatever term you like.)   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: tomart on 12 Nov 2010, 20:32
Dora is now leaping way past that line, which she kinda has a right to do now that Faye managed to roll the ball up the hill for her.

What?  Am I missing some quirk of logic here?  When someone rolls a metaphorical ball up a proverbial hill, suddenly someone has a right to invade another's privacy?... 

Huh??
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Blackjoker on 12 Nov 2010, 22:14
I am going to throw my fedora into teh ring and take a guess, Martens porn is something like female superheroes or comic characters. Nothing particularly horrible, just something that he doesn't want the 3+weeks of jokes over. Also, I could see him asking them to avoid it simply because Pintsize enjoys mischief and given the porn he keeps for his own personal use, him deciding to share that with Dora and then fearing another chain of frustration.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: akronnick on 12 Nov 2010, 22:42
My god...it happened.

Poor Marten...he has two girlfriends.  :psyduck:
...unless it's pics of his ex.  :-o




That's it, that's what Marten's porn contains...

Lot's and lot's of threesomes with one skinny pale/goth chick and one busty chick.

He doesn't want either of them to see because of the inevitable drama-tastrophe that would occur.

I'm talking serious weapons-grade drama.


And as for all the folks saying that Marten's into pegging (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging), I doubt that Dora would have serious hang-ups with that.

In fact, I'm pretty sure she'd be totally into it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=107).

In fact, she may have already introduced  (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1236) it to him!

Goddammit! One of these days I'll learn to type.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: IanClark on 13 Nov 2010, 00:48
Derp

Uhhh yeah because snooping behind someone's back is the only way to find out things about each other??

They both suck for having been in this relationship for a while and have never openly discussed this. Marten sucks for not being honest with Dora when she asks, and Dora sucks for snooping.

It's a valid point, but my point was that there's at worst a minor faux pas occurring here and not a travesty or even anything troubling.


Anyway, here's a thought I had a while ago: What if Marten's a chubby chaser? It's a much more common kink than a lot of people think, and it would have huge implications. Dora starts believing that Marten's not genuinely attracted to her despite his insistence that he still finds thin women attractive, and the porn is just because it's the one fantasy he isn't able to live out (also relatively common). She spirals into a depression at what she perceives as the revelation that her whole relationship's been a lie, and unlike all their other problems, no amount of talking it out seems to make her feel better or make her feel like the problem's less dire than it is. Meanwhile, Faye, still battling never-ending body image issues, thinks back to Marten's attraction to her and wonders if it was part of his fetish or if it was "genuine". Being somewhat pessimistic as she is occasionally prone to being, she concludes it must be the former, and then falls into the trap of viewing his attraction to her as perverse or impure, and consequently something to disregard or even feel bad about.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Border Reiver on 13 Nov 2010, 08:29
It's worse than all that - Marten has no porn.

But does have a substantial collection of Fanfic
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: raoullefere on 13 Nov 2010, 08:53
If he was serious, he would have said "Dora, this is actually important to me and I'm not kidding around. I'm not comfortable with sharing this, and you need to respect my privacy."

He opted for a joke, so who is going to take him seriously?
<snip>

That's funny, because that's really not how I heard him say that little piece in the third panel. I heard a very serious, nearly sinister voice. Almost "Hello, Clarice"-like.


Yes, that together with that final 'hey!' I think Dora's actual problem here is that although she takes relationships very seriously, sex itself, she doesn't. Marten himself shares this attitude to a certain point, but that doesn't extend to porn, it seems, likely because of his mother's involvement with it—think about how it would be to have a mother that cool about masturbation. Teen boys being what they are, I'd guess that would cause you to hide both it and everything associated with your masturbation like fury. Just because.

Meaning, even if I'm wrong (a faint possibility—ha!), Veronica's still involved. The more I think about it, the more this fits in with my theory of Pintsize doing things Marten won't let himself, but secretly longs to. You know, like wearing Faye's panties on his head.

And Delator, I don't think Marten has two girlfriends so much as Faye has suddenly realized he has some real boundaries—something many have accused him of lacking. They're there, just buried fairly deeply under that equanom equamnit even-steven facade.


Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Skewbrow on 13 Nov 2010, 09:19
The hanzi under my avatar are a famous saying of Mao Zedong which translates as "Women hold up half the sky", a poetic way of saying that women have an equal part to play in society. Another noble dream yet to be fulfilled.  :-D

So both Mao and Wil become uncontrollably poetic around ladies? According to Qiu Xiaolong's detective stories Chinese intelligenzia spends a lot of time citing ancient poetry, but I hazard a guess that  Dora is closer to the mark (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1479) and Mao used a speech writer.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 13 Nov 2010, 10:17
It's worse than all that - Marten has no porn.
But does have a substantial collection of Fanfic

All written by Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: DominicSparkles on 13 Nov 2010, 10:45
It's worse than all that - Marten has no porn.
But does have a substantial collection of Fanfic

All written by Marigold.

This. I mean, it only makes sense. Jeph DID say this was all going to tie together.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 13 Nov 2010, 11:21
HAHA I finally found out what Dora'll find: thousands and thousands of pictures of tentacle porn (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1524)!

Then she will worry about growing tentacles (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1300).
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Nov 2010, 11:49
IanClark's suggestion makes a disturbing amount of sense.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Delator on 13 Nov 2010, 14:19
Dora is now leaping way past that line, which she kinda has a right to do now that Faye managed to roll the ball up the hill for her.

What?  Am I missing some quirk of logic here?  When someone rolls a metaphorical ball up a proverbial hill, suddenly someone has a right to invade another's privacy?... 

Huh??

Dora got the topic started, but then Faye did all the heavy lifting Dora would have otherwise done had Faye not been there. Once Marten got Faye to stop, Dora kept right on going.


...yeah, it made more sense to me when I wrote it the first time.  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 13 Nov 2010, 16:21
IanClark's suggestion makes a disturbing amount of sense.

You think?  I don't see it, myself.  I tend to think he's pornless.  He's in a pretty sexually active relationship, and at those times in my life i always found I abandoned the porn. 

I was too busy...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Nov 2010, 17:25
And what about Marten's porn stash consisting of pieces belonging to the top of the heap of the genre, with clever shootings, tasteful scenarios, subtle play on the various levels of erotism, participants sometimes actually touching each other elsewhere than on genital parts, etc?
Y'know, the kind of stuff that would take a disturbing amount of research to find on the Net – or anywhere actually.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: lunakitten on 13 Nov 2010, 17:54
...porn stash consisting of pieces belonging to the top of the heap of the genre, with clever shootings, tasteful scenarios, subtle play on the various levels of erotism, participants sometimes actually touching each other elsewhere than on genital parts, etc?
You know, I think I'd even pay Pintsize his extortionist prices to get my hands on  some of that.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 13 Nov 2010, 19:49
Is it really that hard to get your hands on a copy of Jacques?
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: hannahsaurusrex on 13 Nov 2010, 21:00
And what about Marten's porn stash consisting of pieces belonging to the top of the heap of the genre, with clever shootings, tasteful scenarios, subtle play on the various levels of erotism, participants sometimes actually touching each other elsewhere than on genital parts, etc?
Y'know, the kind of stuff that would take a disturbing amount of research to find on the Net – or anywhere actually.

My boyfriend works at a sex store, this is doable. Not common, but doable.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 13 Nov 2010, 23:43
Seriously, with a girlfriend like Dora, who needs any more porn ?



But what will Dora find?  

She will find an AnthroPC who lies to her for his own amusement.

And a wide variety of bizarre porn which stretches the limits of Rule 34.
None of it will be Marten's, and the mystery will continue.
I think thats very likely. I believe that, between the lines, todays comic hints strongly that Marten isnt into anything very original.



I categorically refuse to discuss what I masturbation to. Even in a poll.
LOL you think anyone gives a honest answer to THAT poll ? :-D [...]
I was riffing on the grammar. [...]
Oh ! OK.



Actually, for once, I'm willing to jump onto the "Dora's a bitch" bandwagon. He asked for privacy, she decides to walk all over it? Then again, it is a typical female reaction, extrapolated a bit. I'm speaking, of course, of one's SO thinking, once you're having sex and everything, that it's okay to walk into the bathroom while you're perched on the throne, and, worse, she actually wants to have a conversation. There are lines, ladies, lines  that should not be crossed. And yet, you trample…

Humorous hyperbole notwithstanding, it would be nice if you could avoid such overt overgeneralizations.  For the record, I am female, I do respect others' privacy, and I sure as hell don't want to see my SO on the toilet, or vice-versa -- we're both closed-bathroom people, tyvm.
Uh, I dont think he wanted to say that every woman behaves uniformely. A certain disrespect for other peoples privacy, especially their love interest, is a kind of behavior I actually know from quite a lot of women in reallife. As I said before, that actually quite charming.



I see it more as teasing than serious transgressions against Marten's privacy.
Kinda like the "I'm gonna tell the boy you have a crush on that you like him" of youth, and Dora seems to be the girl who would go up to said crush say "hi" and get scared before running back to friends giggling.
She'll probably start to ask Pintsize and get scared halfway through.
Then Pintsize will blurt it out anyway.
I really, really, really cant see how this is, in any way, the Dora I know from the comics ?

I think that, short of child porn, nothing would really offend her.



I am calling this one.

His porn collection consists of naked pictures of Raven he found on the Internet.
Hmm, I dont call innocent nude pics "porn". Porn is sex.

Also, IMHO it would be completely understandable that he would keep nudie pics of Raven, if he had been so lucky to find any such things.



The actual clues are around their.

It needs to be something Dora will worry over. (This is why Marten doesn't want to admit it.)

His mother gave him lotion. (So it's something that needs that)

It's obvious that his porn involves men being given anal by strap on. This will worry Dora that he's like his Dad....
I disagree. For all I know, Marten hasnt shown any homosexual tendencies, ever. Also, homosexuality is nothing that you inherit from your parents.



I agree that Marten deserves some privacy, but I don't see this as a privacy issue. As his girlfriend with whom he's very sexually active with, Dora has a right to know what porn excites him.
I think you managed to contradict yourself here.

Or what kind of privacy, in your opinion, does Marten deserve, exactly ?



If he was serious, he would have said "Dora, this is actually important to me and I'm not kidding around. I'm not comfortable with sharing this, and you need to respect my privacy."

He opted for a joke, so who is going to take him seriously? Their relationship isn't as screwed up as some of you seem to think, and I think that some people might be missing the subtext there. If Marten really wants this kept private, he needs to stand up and say so. Does that cause Dora to get concerned and dump him? Maybe. There are some things that people aren't willing or able to bend on, and if you can't accomodate them, then sometimes you have to walk away.
Even Dora and Faye dont react as if they believe Marten tried to joke.

I think he was dead serious. He tried to scare them away from that topic. He doesnt want them to know.



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Thats how automatic translators are, for any language.



No, it's not the only thing that is wrong with the fanfic. But it's the only thing wrong with the fanfic that I didn't expect of Marigold!
Ooooh OK ! Thats right.

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No matter how you look at it, Pintsize will just mess with Dora.
Hehe. Yeah, very likely.



I'm leaning towards the idea that Marten favors pretty straightforward porn, nothing really raunchy and at most maybe indie girls/suicide girls. :angel: Nothing shocking at all. Which is why he's embarrased. Everyone else has some sort of "exotic" leaning, so he's the odd one out.
That was my first thought: What - you have to be into interesting kinds of porn now ?




And what about Marten's porn stash consisting of pieces belonging to the top of the heap of the genre, with clever shootings, tasteful scenarios, subtle play on the various levels of erotism, participants sometimes actually touching each other elsewhere than on genital parts, etc?
Y'know, the kind of stuff that would take a disturbing amount of research to find on the Net – or anywhere actually.
Sounds like private porn.

You know, two people having sex who are actually in love with each other.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Nov 2010, 01:34
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Sounds like private porn.

You know, two people having sex who are actually in love with each other.


...I don't think there actually IS any of that on the net.

Unless that overhead light fixture in his bedroom has more than meets the eye...
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Nov 2010, 01:45
I agree that Marten deserves some privacy, but I don't see this as a privacy issue. As his girlfriend with whom he's very sexually active with, Dora has a right to know what porn excites him.
I think you managed to contradict yourself here.

Or what kind of privacy, in your opinion, does Marten deserve, exactly ?

I guess I meant like personal space-type privacy, like if he wanted some alone time for whatever reason (not necessarily a sexual one). There are more reasons than sex stuff to want a little space to yourself.

I stand by what I said that Dora should be allowed to know what kind of porn he likes. It's just that right now she's not really going about it the right way; instead of interrogating his computer she could have said something like "how bout you tell me more about it later, when we're alone?" After Marten's little speech to Faye, I don't think Faye'd object to that.

The rest of your post by the way? TL.DR. Just sayin'
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: xerada on 14 Nov 2010, 04:16
I stand by what I said that Dora should be allowed to know what kind of porn he likes. It's just that right now she's not really going about it the right way; instead of interrogating his computer she could have said something like "how bout you tell me more about it later, when we're alone?" After Marten's little speech to Faye, I don't think Faye'd object to that.

What bugs me about this is, what's so important about knowing what porn your SO watches? I mean, what you like in porn does not necessarily apply to what you like in bedroom.

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Nov 2010, 05:49
...homosexuality is nothing that you inherit from your parents.

Thank you, captain obvious! 

Of course, that's assuming homosexuals don't breed. 

I think there may be a fallacy there... and Ihave several personal stories to back it up. 

However, anecdotes aren't data.  Lets just say that you've opened another can o' worms. 
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Nov 2010, 10:24
Moment Of The Week:

Plenty of Fish in the Sea!    - 0 (0%)
"Psh, I'm not that desperate."    - 6 (7.7%)
I'M SO SORRY!    - 2 (2.6%)
Want me to take off my pants? (No, thanks, you already did that once)    - 7 (9%)
Sorry I made things awkward    - 1 (1.3%)
HERMIONE & GINNY VS. THE SPACE WIZARDS    - 37 (47.4%) - LANDSLIDE!
Puberty stories    - 1 (1.3%)
The Mistaken HS Health Teacher    - 3 (3.8%)
"Why do I need lotion in my bedroom?"    - 5 (6.4%)
What kind of porn does Marten like?    - 4 (5.1%)
"You really wanna do that?..."    - 7 (9%)
Nah, too white bread.    - 5 (6.4%)

Total Voters: 78
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 14 Nov 2010, 10:49
What if all of Marten's porn stars Marten?
Or at least Marten lookalikes?

Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Loki on 14 Nov 2010, 14:49
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I disagree. For all I know, Marten hasnt shown any homosexual tendencies, ever.
Nitpick: Men with a preference for anal aren't necessarily homosexual.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: mactoplac on 14 Nov 2010, 17:29
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Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Nov 2010, 22:46
See, I was right. It wasn't on the net. If it would have been, Pintsize would have had it by now.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: snubnose on 15 Nov 2010, 01:57
...homosexuality is nothing that you inherit from your parents.

Thank you, captain obvious! 

Of course, that's assuming homosexuals don't breed. 

I think there may be a fallacy there... and Ihave several personal stories to back it up. 

However, anecdotes aren't data.  Lets just say that you've opened another can o' worms. 
Hmm ? Homosexuals have children too. The comic itself gives an example for it.

Also, in modern times, at least lesbians have a way to get children without having sex with the opposite gender.

And I would assume that in the future, homosexuals will be able in more and more countries to adopt children, just like normal couples can.
Title: Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Nov 2010, 02:26
...homosexuality is nothing that you inherit from your parents.

Thank you, captain obvious! 

Of course, that's assuming homosexuals don't breed. 

I think there may be a fallacy there... and Ihave several personal stories to back it up. 

However, anecdotes aren't data.  Lets just say that you've opened another can o' worms. 
Hmm ? Homosexuals have children too. The comic itself gives an example for it.

Also, in modern times, at least lesbians have a way to get children without having sex with the opposite gender.

And I would assume that in the future, homosexuals will be able in more and more countries to adopt children, just like normal couples can.


I know.  Like I said, I have many personal stories that contradict your assertion.  That means I know a fair nuber of children of homosexuals! 

So, why isn't homosexuality inherited?  There's a great deal of evidence that at least some aspect of homosexuality is genetic (mono-zygotic twin studies), and some aspects are also environmental. 

So unless you thought there was no one for homosexuals to to pass it on to (i.e. non-breeding), what were you talking about?