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Title: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Jan 2011, 17:22
Here we are, another great week of QC comics.

And how long will this Veronica situation continue?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 09 Jan 2011, 18:03
I expect we will reach the climax of "Shit On Martin Arc" by Wednesday with some lighthearted wackyness Thursday and a mild cliffhanger Friday.   
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: leahneedsanap on 09 Jan 2011, 18:45
I do think it would be nice to get a break from the ongoing discomfort of the Marten arc to see Dora's therapy session--maybe show us she deserves all the sympathy she's been getting.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 09 Jan 2011, 18:50
I hope Friday's strip was the "climax." Hopefully Veronica will have the aptitude to realize that continuing this party will only result in more awkwardness and decide it's time to say goodbye to his friends and go back to Marten's apartment for a good mother-son talk. Of course given Veronica's recent track record I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't have the aptitude for that kind of realization.

Besides, if I were Tai or Hanners right now, I'd be dying to get out of there, seriously. I hate being in the middle of shit.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jan 2011, 18:55
This arc will end when they run into Tortura and she kills Veronica as a favour to the friend of the man she loves.

About Wednesday I think.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: albus on 09 Jan 2011, 19:05
I hope Friday's strip was the "climax." Hopefully Veronica will have the aptitude to realize that continuing this party will only result in more awkwardness and decide it's time to say goodbye to his friends and go back to Marten's apartment for a good mother-son talk. Of course given Veronica's recent track record I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't have the aptitude for that kind of realization.

Besides, if I were Tai or Hanners right now, I'd be dying to get out of there, seriously. I hate being in the middle of shit.
gosh i so get you its like when you go to a friends's house and they start arguing about couple issues or even small things its awwwwwkwarrrd

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 09 Jan 2011, 20:12
Sorry, I can't tell if you're mocking me or sincerely agreeing with me.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 09 Jan 2011, 20:16
Honestly, I'm dying to move on from Marten and look into the Dora side of the equation. Marten, for all his insecurites, is pretty stable. But what about Dora? Outside of work, who does she have who's in her corner?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jan 2011, 20:24
Mieville?

Sven has been supportive on the practical side, but you're asking about emotional support.

Who does Dora even know outside work and friends of coworkers? The coven?

I haven't been satisfied that what we've heard of Dora's past accounts for how messed up she is. Maybe there will be surprises in the therapy sessions.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 09 Jan 2011, 20:36
Am I the only one hoping for the return of Raven here? :-D Okay, granted it doesn't make alot of sense. But now that you mention Dora's old coven, I can't help but wonder where they all ended up. Isn't it weird that of the entire QC cast, Dora is the one we've known the longest with the least ammount of history?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ducktape on 09 Jan 2011, 20:42
Am I the only one hoping for the return of Raven here? :-D Okay, granted it doesn't make alot of sense. But now that you mention Dora's old coven, I can't help but wonder where they all ended up. Isn't it weird that of the entire QC cast, Dora is the one we've known the longest with the least ammount of history?

Though Raven's return to comfort Dora (not that way, get your minds OUT OF THE GUTTER) could be helpful for Dora, I don't see Jeph just "happening" to bring her back at the right moment.  Too much of a deus ex machina.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 09 Jan 2011, 20:50
Am I the only one hoping for the return of Raven here? :-D Okay, granted it doesn't make alot of sense. But now that you mention Dora's old coven, I can't help but wonder where they all ended up. Isn't it weird that of the entire QC cast, Dora is the one we've known the longest with the least ammount of history?

Though Raven's return to comfort Dora (not that way, get your minds OUT OF THE GUTTER) could be helpful for Dora, I don't see Jeph just "happening" to bring her back at the right moment.  Too much of a deus ex machina.

"Get your mind in the gutter?" Don't mind if I do! (ahem). Am I the only one who recalls Tai having a MASSIVE crush on Dora? And that Dora seemed to keen on adopting her? Oh, Gods of wishfuly thinking, it's like you never left us! :-D


But kidding aside. With Dora being the way she is now, no chance will Tai even think of making a move on her. But then again, I seem to recall Marten and Dora hooking up by eriely similar circumstances.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: albus on 09 Jan 2011, 20:54
Sorry, I can't tell if you're mocking me or sincerely agreeing with me.
oh sorry i was truly agreeing with you always i go to a friend's couple house for dinner or somethign they star arguing
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 10 Jan 2011, 00:38
Welp, it's finally happened.

Faye killed Pintsize.

Poor little guy.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: emeraldbeacon on 10 Jan 2011, 00:41
Welp, it's finally happened.

Faye killed Pintsize.

Poor little guy.

Cump.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Sharp on 10 Jan 2011, 00:42
Very happy to get out of the gloom and doom! I just hope that it keeps up, and that if there really was any real tension between Marten and his mother last week, that it isn't simply forgotton. Like I said, I'd be pretty disappointed if after all the embarrassment Marten's dealt with, he just shrugs it off because "Hey, making me miserable worked! Thanks ma!"

But, I'm staying optimistic!  :-D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Jan 2011, 00:49
I have to admit, it is nice to see Marten smile again.  :-)


And I think I might like Pintsize better this way.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 10 Jan 2011, 01:02
Did anyone else run Pintsize's gibberish through ROT13 and a few other tools to see if it might secretly mean something? Cump?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 10 Jan 2011, 01:09
It's a good turn, I think. But it's also a bit unsatisfying. And the message Veronica is giving makes me gag a bit.

I've seen disney movies that were deeper and more genuine, is all. And if talking about the fact that he still has friends is all it takes to make Marten lighten up, why did we have all of last week? This conversation could have happened even before she took him out for food. Should have, maybe.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 10 Jan 2011, 01:14
Or, you know, over the phone.

Like he wanted.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 10 Jan 2011, 01:35
Going back to the hotel?

That strikes me as a bit odd. Unless a hotel is particularly brilliant, most people wouldn't be inclined to go back unless they had to, particularly on their own. Perhaps she's taking on a bit of business. Or even worse, going to call Sven.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: thomshouse on 10 Jan 2011, 01:40
It's a good turn, I think. But it's also a bit unsatisfying. And the message Veronica is giving makes me gag a bit.

I've seen disney movies that were deeper and more genuine, is all.
I don't think this is Jeph trying to give the story a "good turn" so much as to wrap up just how Veronica parents.  Which is to say, in a rather insincere manner.  Especially considering how much time she spent walking all over him.  She seemed to think she could just show up, treat him like a client, whisper a few magic Carol Brady words and fix her son.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cesariojpn on 10 Jan 2011, 01:48
Going back to the hotel?

That strikes me as a bit odd. Unless a hotel is particularly brilliant, most people wouldn't be inclined to go back unless they had to, particularly on their own. Perhaps she's taking on a bit of business. Or even worse, going to call Sven.

In the morning, Veronica arrives with a hooded slave at Martin's apartment......
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 10 Jan 2011, 01:56
Unsatisfying resolution is unsatisfying. And guy's, she's going to the hotel to sleep. She got off the plane and immediately spent several hours with Marten/doing stuff behind his back. We never saw night come, but it has to be late in the day. DId you expect her to sleep at Marten's on the couch? Or with Faye? :evil: Or with Marten?   :psyduck: (Psyduck; now with incest references!)

But back to the comic. Really? Embarrassing him over and over again, then sneaking over to see his ex were supposed to make him smile? Cump it all! (Cump is now my new 'frack').
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 10 Jan 2011, 01:59
Well, after depressing him THAT severely reminding him of one good thing left in his life would probably make him smile. Doesn't mean that I don't find it a bit incongruous with what happened last week, but meh. If nothing else it's been wrapped up so at least it's been dealt with.
Title: Pintsize needs to be fixed!
Post by: bigmouth on 10 Jan 2011, 02:11
And this could be the beginning of a new twist... :-)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 10 Jan 2011, 02:20
Yay, Comic !


And I think I might like Pintsize better this way.
:-o

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 10 Jan 2011, 03:07
While watching this on the stream I started out hopeful - without dialogue it looked as if the first 3 panels could be Marten telling Veronica what she was doing wrong and her taking his hands and apologising. Then I checked back and saw some of the dialogue. That left me extremely unsatisfied, but having now read the finished thing, I maintain hope. Veronica is only going back to her hotel, not home, so hopefully she'll get her comeuppance and the gang will get Marten into therapy for his mummy issues.

As for Pintsize, it's nice to see him suffering a little. I found the overall mood of his most recent strips left me unable to laugh at his antics. I do look forward to him getting fixed though; as things start to lighten around here it'll be good to have some Pintsize antics that I can laugh at  :-D.

Also, here's hoping we see some of Dora's therapy sessions soon. I've found myself disliking her of late, so hopefully I'll be able to enjoy reading her again soon.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 10 Jan 2011, 03:56
Bad waffles joking
Brings outlandish nonsense
Sorry, it wasn't meant.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Theron on 10 Jan 2011, 04:27
"Now that I've FINALLY gotten a smile out of you" - Are you kidding?  What the hell has she done on this visit that Marten was supposed to smile about?  She's delusional.  Very frustrating.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 10 Jan 2011, 05:04
...It all goes a bit A-Team as they try to escape with Faye stepping in for Mr. T because she pities fools the most.

This would also give Jeph an opportunity to start advertising Snickers and other Nestle products in the comic, increasing his revenue!

On topic, however, I think this comic does contribute to the "Veronica was trying, she's just not very good at it" argument. The way she said "finally" seems to imply that, at least in her mind, the things she's been doing have been attempts to do good, not evil.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Jan 2011, 06:14
Ah, but Veronica could leave the apartment and runs into Hanners, who, despite not knowing the woman all that well (as well as having mother issuses herself), might have a few words for Veronica that puts things into perspective. Yeah, I know, most normal people wouldn't do that to a person they met only a few hours before, but then again, since when has Hanners been normal?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 06:21
Welp, it's finally happened.

Faye killed Pintsize.

Poor little guy.

Cump.

Cump.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 06:25
I have a feeling someone's going to be visiting Marigold shortly...

OH MY GOD NO.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: bicostp on 10 Jan 2011, 06:48
Welp, it's finally happened.

Faye killed Pintsize.

Poor little guy.

Nah, probably just knocked his RAM loose. Reseating it and a cold boot should fix him. (Assuming his military-grade chassis is designed like a Toughbook.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: GeoffTheLlama on 10 Jan 2011, 06:57
While watching this on the stream I started out hopeful - without dialogue it looked as if the first 3 panels could be Marten telling Veronica what she was doing wrong and her taking his hands and apologising. Then I checked back and saw some of the dialogue. That left me extremely unsatisfied, but having now read the finished thing, I maintain hope. Veronica is only going back to her hotel, not home, so hopefully she'll get her comeuppance and the gang will get Marten into therapy for his mummy issues.

Someone remind me again why Marten needs therapy because his mom chose a really weird and ineffective way to try to cheer him up?  And why Veronica needs her comeuppance from a bunch of kids - none of whom are parents themselves and whose mother she could be - about how she treats her own son?

That doesn't seem...inappropriate to you at all?  She didn't beat him in public, she teased him.  More than she should have, yes, okay, I can agree with that, but seriously?  She's not a child abuser.  She didn't beat him in front of the world.  She embarrassed her grown son a little in order to shake him out of his funk, however poorly planned it was.


Edit:
I have a feeling someone's going to be visiting Marigold shortly...

OH MY GOD NO.  :psyduck:
"You know, my son does like the curvy girls...you have his number, don't you?"
"MOM." (from his apartment. in another building.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odal on 10 Jan 2011, 07:54
Am I the only one hoping for the return of Raven here? :-D Okay, granted it doesn't make alot of sense. But now that you mention Dora's old coven, I can't help but wonder where they all ended up. Isn't it weird that of the entire QC cast, Dora is the one we've known the longest with the least ammount of history?

Though Raven's return to comfort Dora (not that way, get your minds OUT OF THE GUTTER) could be helpful for Dora, I don't see Jeph just "happening" to bring her back at the right moment.  Too much of a deus ex machina.

"Get your mind in the gutter?" Don't mind if I do! (ahem). Am I the only one who recalls Tai having a MASSIVE crush on Dora? And that Dora seemed to keen on adopting her? Oh, Gods of wishfuly thinking, it's like you never left us! :-D


But kidding aside. With Dora being the way she is now, no chance will Tai even think of making a move on her. But then again, I seem to recall Marten and Dora hooking up by eriely similar circumstances.
Tai won't make a move on Dora (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1778) because of Marten's euphoria fluid. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1779)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 10 Jan 2011, 08:08

Someone remind me again why Marten needs therapy because his mom chose a really weird and ineffective way to try to cheer him up?  And why Veronica needs her comeuppance from a bunch of kids - none of whom are parents themselves and whose mother she could be - about how she treats her own son?

That doesn't seem...inappropriate to you at all?  She didn't beat him in public, she teased him.  More than she should have, yes, okay, I can agree with that, but seriously?  She's not a child abuser.  She didn't beat him in front of the world.  She embarrassed her grown son a little in order to shake him out of his funk, however poorly planned it was.


Well, in my opinion, therapy might be a good idea because:

A) He's been in a dangerous place lately and doing some dangerous things. Granted, it hasn't gone on long enough to be a massive worry yet. So just, you know, general breakup angst. He should be able to overcome it, but he may decided he wants / needs help.

(Yes, I'm aware I didn't mention that in my original post)

B) The thing with his mother reprimanding him in public was just... to me it seemed to indicate, for want of a better word, issues. Mother issues. I'm not a psychologist, nor even particularly experienced, but I know that in the relationship I have with my mother, her snapping at me and demanding I apologise to the people around me would not be met with the same instantly cowed and obedient response that Veronica's outburst garnered in Marten.

To be honest, I don't think Marten in therapy is particularly likely, as that would mean 4 characters undergoing psychiatric treatment. It might make things too samey. That said I'm not the writer of this comic. Why then, did I make the "therapy for his mummy issues" comment? It felt like a reasonable way to get across my rather strong aversion to last Friday's comic and what it showed. Perhaps I should try being clearer. I'm new at this whole forum thing.

Okay, now onto the comeuppance thing. Maybe comeuppance is too strong a word. I don't think she deserves to be beaten or run over or any of the other more extreme suggestions. I would, however, quite like to see someone (perhaps Faye, or maybe Hanners) to pull Veronica aside and kindly advise her that her attempts to cheer her son up have thus far been dodgy. The waitress, the photos, the thing with Sven, those are all fairly ok things. Sure, Marten wasn't in the mood for them but they weren't that bad. However, the moment she decided that walking out of a dinner she was having with Marten, so she could comfort his ex was a good idea, she lost a fair amount of my support. The moment I began to really dislike her, however, was Friday's comic. Personally, I'd be willing to let a few things slide if someone I cared about was down in the dumps. And honestly, even when I read the words with the nastiest tone I can imagine, Marten isn't saying anything too bad. No, it's not constructive. And yes, I'm sure it's not pleasant. But a dressing down as strong as the one she delivered, with the added insult of making him apologise to his friends, is just unnecessary, and not good parenting, in my opinion.

I'll take this final moment to say that I do not have kids, and am in fact only 15 years old, so can claim no knowledge of what it is like to be a parent, or go through extremely traumatic breakups. All the same, these are my opinions  :-).

EDIT: Oh and I'd just like to add this: I don't hold with any of the "Veronica is a bad parent / child abuser / emotional torturer" lines of thought. I'm more inclined to agree with whoever it was that suggested that she is, like all of us, fallible, and that she is still learning how to interact with her now adult son.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Jan 2011, 08:13
Oh I don't know, I think this is an short but effective little way of wrapping up the day and for Jeph to assure us that Veronica is indeed a mother (though she took her sweet merry time). What Veronica's saying is a lot like what Sven said to Dora in this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1814), which is basically "you're not alone." I get the impression (or at least I hope) that Marten's humiliation conga is over, and hopefully tomorrow Ms. Reed will be a little more perceptive. Either way, her visit isn't over yet, so she still has a chance to redeem herself.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Jan 2011, 08:37
...It all goes a bit A-Team as they try to escape with Faye stepping in for Mr. T because she pities fools the most.

With Sven as "Face" and Hanners as "Howlin' Mad Murdoch"?  There is no one who's good at planning though to take Mr. Peppard's role though.

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 10 Jan 2011, 09:14
I have a feeling someone's going to be visiting Marigold shortly...

OH MY GOD NO.  :psyduck:

...are you pondering what I'm pondering?

Are we somehow going to get a reverse feedback loop and see Marten's Rage Storm directed at our stammering introvert??

...god I hope so.  :evil:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Norton Quintessential on 10 Jan 2011, 09:28
Breaking my long, long, INCREDIBLY long bout of lurking to just say:

This was incredibly unsatisfying. Jeph has been foreshadowing for MONTHS that Marten isn't happy with his life. If that's all thrown out the window because Marten's mom comes and emasculates him in front of everyone he knows... I just don't know what to say.

Marten has never gotten the slightest hint of respect from any character in the strip. He's the chewtoy for the ladies of the cast, his mother treats him like a five year old, Steve thinks of him as one of his lamer friends, and Pintsize... well, he's the random comic relief character. The only character who treats Marten with any dignity is Hanners, and let's face it, she's an  emotionally-stunted woman-child who's barely capable of functioning.

It's time for Marten to get fed up.Time for him to stand up for himself, time for him to start getting snarky, hell, maybe even time for him to get pissed off. Time for him to frigging do something.

Back to lurking.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: themacnut on 10 Jan 2011, 09:39
I don't expect it to happen (Marten blowing up/standing up for himself). If there was anytime for that to happen was last week with Ms. Reed. If her behavior on top of the way he was callously dumped wasn't enough to trigger Marten RAAAAAGGGGEEE, then nothing is.

Or maybe Marten hasn't been dumped on enough. Maybe still worse has to happen to him before he finally snaps. Maybe today's comic is just a short break from the second wave of humiliation coming his way...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Jan 2011, 09:54
Maybe...

Martin will realize he's tired of being dumped on, visits Marigold, they fall in love, buy a bus and drive off, starting a whole new chapter of the comic strip!

:-D


...

Hey, don't look at me like that.

I'm just brainstorming! Really I am! I didn't even mention the bus hitting anyone!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Jan 2011, 10:09
/me dons moderator hat, clears throat
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Black Sword on 10 Jan 2011, 10:20
There's one thing bugging me. Where's Steve? He's always been there for Marty's alcohol self-punishment and relationship issues, but now he's not?

Sure, Steve went on his Meena-bender without Marty, but it seems strange that he's not around for Marty's break-up, which seems to be about as pleasant as getting sawed in half by a dull serrated knife.

One other thing is that Marty seems pretty easy to cheer up. Was that all it took?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: themacnut on 10 Jan 2011, 10:34
He doesn't look all that cheered up to me when he sits on the couch with Pintsize. He could have just been putting on a front for Veronica. As for Steve, he's most likely busy with his new girlfriend Cosette.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Jan 2011, 11:45
I think this is further indication that Veronica doesn't know how to fix the situation, but:

1.) She was trying!

2.) This was heartwarming, at least for me. Sure, Marten is still deeply unhappy, but aww.

While watching this on the stream I started out hopeful - without dialogue it looked as if the first 3 panels could be Marten telling Veronica what she was doing wrong and her taking his hands and apologising. Then I checked back and saw some of the dialogue. That left me extremely unsatisfied, but having now read the finished thing, I maintain hope. Veronica is only going back to her hotel, not home, so hopefully she'll get her comeuppance and the gang will get Marten into therapy for his mummy issues.

Someone remind me again why Marten needs therapy because his mom chose a really weird and ineffective way to try to cheer him up?  And why Veronica needs her comeuppance from a bunch of kids - none of whom are parents themselves and whose mother she could be - about how she treats her own son?

That doesn't seem...inappropriate to you at all?  She didn't beat him in public, she teased him.  More than she should have, yes, okay, I can agree with that, but seriously?  She's not a child abuser.  She didn't beat him in front of the world.  She embarrassed her grown son a little in order to shake him out of his funk, however poorly planned it was.

May I offer you a bro fist bunp, sir.

Edit:
I have a feeling someone's going to be visiting Marigold shortly...

OH MY GOD NO.  :psyduck:
"You know, my son does like the curvy girls...you have his number, don't you?"
"MOM." (from his apartment. in another building.)

Heh. I imagine Marigold's face becoming as red as Betelgeuse itself, mouth a perfect 'o' of shock. Not even Momo's electrical discharge function moves her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Jan 2011, 12:47
Marigold's personality isn't the kind that attracts Marten, and he's shown no trace of being interested. They don't have common interests. If Marigold can swing a relationship at all, others are way more possible than Marten.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: mary tyler murder on 10 Jan 2011, 13:06
Sure am enjoying Emotional Bullying, the webcomic.

 .
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 13:08
And?


Edit - that's a peculiar page break!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2011, 13:16
OK, that was . . . . . . .

Ummmmmm 


*Confusedlook*




I hate to say it, but that was . . .  . .


Cump!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 13:19
That's a placeholder while I try to decide whether the last post of the previous page is simply a low-grade troll.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2011, 13:26
I was talking about the Comic pwhodges

But yeah, now that I've gone back and looked at the last Post on the first page



Either a bad noob post or a troll needing to be stepped on before he/she/it grows.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 13:36
We are watching!

As for the comic, I simply can't tell if Jeph is going to give us further explanation of last week's cringeworthiness, or simply go forward and let it establish its meaning in a larger context.  Clearly Veronica is still around, so there is the chance for direct explanation; there is also the chance for the rest of the gang to give their views while Veronica is doing something else.  We shall see; but I hope it doesn't stay quite so slow!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Jan 2011, 13:42
Marigold's personality isn't the kind that attracts Marten, and he's shown no trace of being interested. They don't have common interests. If Marigold can swing a relationship at all, others are way more possible than Marten.

Oh hell I did not mean to sound like there was shipping going on. No, I totally agree, Marigold and Marten make no sense as a couple.

I just think that Veronica tactlessly trying to sell Marigold on her son and the nerd-lady's subsequent hugely red face and complete immobility from embarrassment would be hilarious.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Duke on 10 Jan 2011, 13:53
...It all goes a bit A-Team as they try to escape with Faye stepping in for Mr. T because she pities fools the most.

With Sven as "Face" and Hanners as "Howlin' Mad Murdoch"?  There is no one who's good at planning though to take Mr. Peppard's role though.

I don't know the role very well, but...Dale?  He seems planny, plotty, and possibly schemey.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Jan 2011, 13:59
...It all goes a bit A-Team as they try to escape with Faye stepping in for Mr. T because she pities fools the most.

With Sven as "Face" and Hanners as "Howlin' Mad Murdoch"?  There is no one who's good at planning though to take Mr. Peppard's role though.

I don't know the role very well, but...Dale?  He seems planny, plotty, and possibly schemey.

There is only one person suitable to make sure the "plan comes together". Someone who has shown they have access to a wide variety of costumes and the ability to come up with wacky enough plans.

Ladies and gentlemen, join me as I raise a cigar to Pint-"Hannibal"-Size.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Jan 2011, 14:44
Do they all have to be dudes? Cause I can see Dora as Mr. Peppard. Think outside the box!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Jan 2011, 14:54
Do they all have to be dudes? Cause I can see Dora as Mr. Peppard. Think outside the box!

Pintsize is asexual, a robot...in fact, I think this was brought up shortly before the move to the new apartment.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 14:56
But he has a programmed gender assignment (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=347).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Jan 2011, 15:05
Marigold and Marten make no sense as a couple.

I completely disagree, but I hesitate to post a lengthy, well thought out rebuttal as to why this is the case, given that the subject has been coughed at by a moderator. The Sword of Damocles is nothing to sneeze at.

When did simple discussion of relationships become a forbidden topic here, anyway?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 15:17
There is no objection to discussing a pairing that you can justify; the cough was to ensure that the discussion didn't take a leap off the path of sense.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: mary tyler murder on 10 Jan 2011, 15:22
Either a bad noob post or a troll needing to be stepped on before he/she/it grows.

Nope, not really either of those.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 15:26
Perhaps you would like to expand on your repeated assertion then, taking into account the discussion of the matter that has taken place already?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 10 Jan 2011, 15:32
Do they all have to be dudes? Cause I can see Dora as Mr. Peppard. Think outside the box!

I can see her loving the plan, but Mr. Peppard kind of needs the cigar, and Dora is much too ladylike for cigars.

Pintsize, though, does not give two cumps, I'm sure.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Jan 2011, 15:37
Oh hell I did not mean to sound like there was shipping going on. No, I totally agree, Marigold and Marten make no sense as a couple.

I just think that Veronica tactlessly trying to sell Marigold on her son and the nerd-lady's subsequent hugely red face and complete immobility from embarrassment would be hilarious.
Ah, I understand now.

A scene treating Marigold like she did the waitress would send forth a shock wave of awkwardness that would level city blocks.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 10 Jan 2011, 15:43
Oh hell I did not mean to sound like there was shipping going on. No, I totally agree, Marigold and Marten make no sense as a couple.

I just think that Veronica tactlessly trying to sell Marigold on her son and the nerd-lady's subsequent hugely red face and complete immobility from embarrassment would be hilarious.
Ah, I understand now.

A scene treating Marigold like she did the waitress would send forth a shock wave of awkwardness that would level city blocks.

Ah, weaponized awkwardness...

But onto the main topic, this does feel a bit unsatisfying but conversely it's also over. While I don't particularly like the idea of them ignoring it and not addressing it, I'm willing to consider it a Big Lipped Alligator Moment if it means that the painful reading is done with.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Jan 2011, 15:59
There is no objection to discussing a pairing that you can justify; the cough was to ensure that the discussion didn't take a leap off the path of sense.

But love always requires a leap!

 :-D

In all seriousness-

Here is my reasoning as to why Marigold and Marten are a suitable couple.

The first basic block of compatibility- Physicality
Marten- we haven't seen him show the level of vanity that requires a "certain type" of person for attractivity- we've seen Marten fall for both the short, voluptuous type AND the tall, physically intimidating type. Marigold is not "ugly" (as we've seen previously, she can be very attractive when she puts the effort into it).
Marigold- When it comes to body types, we've seen the Marigold falls very easily for the "not body builder" type- I present as an example of this Angus, who mirrors Marten in body type (different head though).
So first level of compatibility- check

Second level of compatibility- Emotionality
Marten- he's already gone through two (three?) bouts of dealing with Alpha Women, and he's been burned. Emotionally, at this point his next relationship may not require a domineering personality, but instead focus on someone a little less domineering. More Dora-type personality relationships very well could result in more of the same heartache.
Marigold- though she's a submissive introvert, at the same time her and a domineering partner seems like it would just cause conflict. Emotionally, at this point someone who is patient, kind and more apt to talk things over rather than yell would be a good match for her.
So the first level of compatibility- check

Third level of compatibility- Common interests
Given that when Marten and Dora first started dating they had barely any common interests at all (besides Faye as a friend), there's a good starting point here. Both Marten and Marigold are creative type personalities with an interest in anthroPCs. Yes, there are things they don't share (Marten doesn't play WOW), but at the same time that's not a bad thing, persay- in fact, it can be indeed good! Couples need separate interests, things that they can do apart from each other; the ability to enjoy separate things allows for the retention of individual sense of self while at the same time the common interests allow for the enjoyability of time spent together.

We've also seen that Marigold, when coaxed "out of her shell", can indeed enjoy a lot of the commonality the group enjoys. She may spend a lot of time by herself, but I wouldn't go so far as to interpret that as some have (that is, the level of emotional stunt)- sometimes individuals who are introverted are just shy.

My reasoning also might stem from a bit of projection (as I have seen others on here have done)- My own current marriage bears a very strong resemblance to a Marigold-Marten pairing, and it's been a very happy ten years so far...

So it's not just a matter of "here's two random people, let's toss them together", I've got some solid reasoning behind it.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 10 Jan 2011, 16:30
You had to go there in the weekly comic thread, huh?


In other news, we again have the infamous 'Marten sighing'. Where does it come from? And what might it mean? We will have more on this story later.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: themacnut on 10 Jan 2011, 16:33
My guess is that Marten sighing most likely means his depression is NOT resolved, and he just put on a happy face for his mother.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Jan 2011, 16:36
But onto the main topic, this does feel a bit unsatisfying but conversely it's also over. While I don't particularly like the idea of them ignoring it and not addressing it, I'm willing to consider it a Big Lipped Alligator Moment if it means that the painful reading is done with.

Who the hell said it's over? You think Veronica flew all the way from California to Massachusetts (man that's a tough one to spell) to stick around for just one day? She only stayed for a bit during her last visit because it was mostly for business (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=432); this is a purely personal visit so I wouldn't be surprised if she stuck around for at least one more day.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 16:38
/me dons moderator hat, clears throat

Hey, that's why I stopped after  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jan 2011, 16:43
You had to go there in the weekly comic thread, huh?

As a cogently expressed suggestion of a direction the comic could go, this is acceptable; it is neither creepy, nor demanding that Jeph should do this regardless.  If it attracts posts that don't fit the rules, they will be dealt with.

<stuff>

Really, in this scenario, the main thing missing from our present perspective is any sign of actual attraction.  Given that the whole time they've known each other Marten has been with Dora and Marigold has mainly been either been introverted or (for a time) hankering after Angus, there hasn't been much opportunity for such an attraction to grow or be recognised.  I guess we have to wait on Jeph for that to happen or not.

My guess is that Marten sighing most likely means his depression is NOT resolved, and he just put on a happy face for his mother.

Given that it's only something like 48 hours or so since the breakup, this is hardly surprising.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 16:44
What else can Marten's mom do to embarrass him before she leaves?

Go out drinking with him - and make out with Tai.    - 11 (14.7%)
Try to get him and Dora back together.    - 4 (5.3%)
Try to get him and FAYE together.    - 7 (9.3%)
Buy him a new corset.    - 12 (16%)
Waffles.    - 10 (13.3%)
Nothing - she'll be good from here out.    - 13 (17.3%)
...except when she tries to get Vicky's phone number.    - 3 (4%)
PSYCHE! This week's gonna be all about Dora's counseling appointment.    - 15 (20%)

Total Voters: 75

EDIT: This new poll would have to be the strangest poll I've ever done. And I LIKE IT. :D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2011, 19:34
Yrzt
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 10 Jan 2011, 19:43
Ahh, bummer. I just got around to reading QC and only got a conclusion to the Well-meaning mom+ Spinless son= awakdness/hillarity? arc. At least I'm hoping it's a conculison. Veronic's a joy as always, but may be over staying her welcome. By the way, am I the only one who's noticed that Marten sighs an awful lot? :-D Then when you take into account his passivness, his bad luck with women, his bad luck overalll, his frienship with a bossy girl who physicaly abuses him, the fact that he tends to more or less where the same thing everyday, his constant battle for dominace over his domestic pet who'c cleary smarter then he looks, and his good ole' loser charm, you get one unwavering conclusion.

Guys. Marten is 20-something Charlie Brown.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 10 Jan 2011, 19:46
He said so himself:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=95
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2011, 19:47
Good grief!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Jan 2011, 19:55
So... Pintsize is Snoopy? 

And Faye is - Lucy?  Or is that Dora, and Faye is the little red-haired girl? 

Tai is Marcy. 

Hanners is Sally? 

Steve is definitely Pigpen. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 10 Jan 2011, 20:01
He said so himself:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=95

Haha! Touche' good sir!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 10 Jan 2011, 20:10
So... Pintsize is Snoopy? 
And Faye is - Lucy?  Or is that Dora, and Faye is the little red-haired girl? 
Tai is Marcy. 
Hanners is Sally? 
Steve is definitely Pigpen. 

From the perspective of things, Dora seems like Peppermint Patty to me. Marigold is more of the Marcy type. Faye doesn't really have a Peanuts-like counterpart, given that she doesn't have the malevolence of Lucy, the irritating vapidness of Sally or the innocent nature of the Lil Red Haired Girl. Maybe Violet? Her and Patty are best friends (mirroring the QC relationship), she has a very strong personality and she spends a lot of time verbally abusing Chuck. Hanners.... Emily, maybe?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 10 Jan 2011, 20:15
He said so himself:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=95

lol that's always been one of my favorites  :laugh:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Jan 2011, 20:37
Do they all have to be dudes? Cause I can see Dora as Mr. Peppard. Think outside the box!

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I cast two females in what were male parts (well agreed with another as opposed to being the originator) and was asking for a hint for the forth. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bass Lizard on 10 Jan 2011, 20:47
So... Pintsize is Snoopy? 
And Faye is - Lucy?  Or is that Dora, and Faye is the little red-haired girl? 
Tai is Marcy. 
Hanners is Sally? 
Steve is definitely Pigpen. 

From the perspective of things, Dora seems like Peppermint Patty to me. Marigold is more of the Marcy type. Faye doesn't really have a Peanuts-like counterpart, given that she doesn't have the malevolence of Lucy, the irritating vapidness of Sally or the innocent nature of the Lil Red Haired Girl. Maybe Violet? Her and Patty are best friends (mirroring the QC relationship), she has a very strong personality and she spends a lot of time verbally abusing Chuck. Hanners.... Emily, maybe?


If you go by the idea that the QC cast is the Peanuts gang aged into their 20's then it's not too hard too see Lucy as Faye. Aggressive, sarcastic, verbaly abusive, and a lose understanding of frineship, but not really evil. She just likes to be thought as that way. :-D

And am I the only one who belives this must mean Winslow is Woodstock?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: rje on 10 Jan 2011, 22:25
Haha I actually kind of see Hanners as Linus...he has a few issues (security blanket, The Great Pumpkin), he waxes philosophical and she has on occasion, they're both dreamers, both caring people that try to help others with their problems and while she isn't a calm little Buddha like Linus is, I think she can achieve that, especially when everything's all right.

Plus Linus is my favorite character so there

As to the comic...
I'm going to wait and see what happens, basically. That was, imho, a terrible 'ending' for the last small arc of action in the comic - the day he spent with her - so I'm waiting to see if anything's addressed. I doubt that was a genuine smile though.

And I think he sighed because he's just damn -tired-, lmao. It's been a taxing day.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 10 Jan 2011, 22:31
Dear Jeph:

Thank you for "getting it".
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 22:47
"Getting it" as in, "Veronica was acting more mean-spirited than clueless"?

Or something else?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: LordVaughn on 11 Jan 2011, 00:03
I oddly saw this coming once I saw Dora's face being drawn. Even still so, I found it funny.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2011, 00:10
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is all.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 11 Jan 2011, 00:17
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That is all.

I second this
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Armadillo on 11 Jan 2011, 00:20
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That is all.

I second this

Thirded.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jan 2011, 00:23
Thrown out of his own apartment...

Where will he spend the night?!?!?






What?
 :evil:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 11 Jan 2011, 00:25
Sven

Sven you are the best

The best

Fourthing the chorus of  :lol:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 11 Jan 2011, 00:31
If Dora's tearing up that easily, then I'd say it's a good thing the other cast members have been cutting her some slack.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 11 Jan 2011, 00:36
Sven goes to visit Marten and then the two of them go out drinking?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Sorflakne on 11 Jan 2011, 00:38
I laughed pretty hard at today's comic.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Tabfan on 11 Jan 2011, 00:42
Thrown out of his own apartment...

Where will he spend the night?!?!?






What?
 :evil:


Yep, that's the direction I see it heading, too, espcecially since Marten's Mom specifically mentioned staying at a hotel in the last comic. The Devil's in the details, don't ya know?  8-)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: bigmouth on 11 Jan 2011, 00:48
There is no objection to discussing a pairing that you can justify; the cough was to ensure that the discussion didn't take a leap off the path of sense.

But love always requires a leap!

 :-D

In all seriousness-

Here is my reasoning as to why Marigold and Marten are a suitable couple.

The first basic block of compatibility- Physicality
Marten- we haven't seen him show the level of vanity that requires a "certain type" of person for attractivity- we've seen Marten fall for both the short, voluptuous type AND the tall, physically intimidating type. Marigold is not "ugly" (as we've seen previously, she can be very attractive when she puts the effort into it).
Marigold- When it comes to body types, we've seen the Marigold falls very easily for the "not body builder" type- I present as an example of this Angus, who mirrors Marten in body type (different head though).
So first level of compatibility- check

Second level of compatibility- Emotionality
Marten- he's already gone through two (three?) bouts of dealing with Alpha Women, and he's been burned. Emotionally, at this point his next relationship may not require a domineering personality, but instead focus on someone a little less domineering. More Dora-type personality relationships very well could result in more of the same heartache.
Marigold- though she's a submissive introvert, at the same time her and a domineering partner seems like it would just cause conflict. Emotionally, at this point someone who is patient, kind and more apt to talk things over rather than yell would be a good match for her.
So the first level of compatibility- check

Third level of compatibility- Common interests
Given that when Marten and Dora first started dating they had barely any common interests at all (besides Faye as a friend), there's a good starting point here. Both Marten and Marigold are creative type personalities with an interest in anthroPCs. Yes, there are things they don't share (Marten doesn't play WOW), but at the same time that's not a bad thing, persay- in fact, it can be indeed good! Couples need separate interests, things that they can do apart from each other; the ability to enjoy separate things allows for the retention of individual sense of self while at the same time the common interests allow for the enjoyability of time spent together.

We've also seen that Marigold, when coaxed "out of her shell", can indeed enjoy a lot of the commonality the group enjoys. She may spend a lot of time by herself, but I wouldn't go so far as to interpret that as some have (that is, the level of emotional stunt)- sometimes individuals who are introverted are just shy.

My reasoning also might stem from a bit of projection (as I have seen others on here have done)- My own current marriage bears a very strong resemblance to a Marigold-Marten pairing, and it's been a very happy ten years so far...

So it's not just a matter of "here's two random people, let's toss them together", I've got some solid reasoning behind it.


Completely agree (see my first post), and I'd like to toss my 2c into this:
- Marigold twittered something about playing oboe, some time ago. That could add to the "common interests". (Guitar + oboe could be interesting)
- http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1466

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2011, 00:52
I'm not sure she locked him out of his apartment; I think she just ran upstairs and locked the door to the bedroom she's staying in.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Tabfan on 11 Jan 2011, 00:56
I'm not sure she locked him out of his apartment; I think she just ran upstairs and locked the door to the bedroom she's staying in.

Possibly, but the title of the comic, 'Leave House', seems to imply that she kicked him out of the appartment.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jan 2011, 01:00
You can just barely see the corner of the number plate sticking out from under the speech bubble.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: leahneedsanap on 11 Jan 2011, 01:05
Good catch on the number plate.  Guess it's time for a drunken jam session?

Also, at least Marten's mom didn't insist on taking over his room and telling him he could just sleep with Faye in another misguided attempt to "heal" him.  But I get the feeling Faye would have a new target for her punches then.

Perhaps Sven drinking with Marten (and, hopefully, keeping him from creeping on Faye again) will give his relationship with Faye a little more closure?  Let her see him as a platonically okay dude for taking care of her friend when he was in need of a keeper--and she had had some problems with filling that role herself of late.

OR MAYBE HE WILL JUST TRY TO HAVE DRUNK MAKEOUTS WITH SVEN INSTEAD HURR
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: slydon on 11 Jan 2011, 01:05
Moar teary-eyed Dora? :'(
Usually QC is my antidote to S*P... I'ma go kill myself now...
THANK YOU SVEN! :D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Yellowstone on 11 Jan 2011, 01:10
You can just barely see the corner of the number plate sticking out from under the speech bubble.


Also, the number plate was clearly visible in the background as Jeph was drawing the comic.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 11 Jan 2011, 01:23
I can see Sven and Marten going drinking, I kind of want Pintsize to go with them, just out of morbid curiosity.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cesariojpn on 11 Jan 2011, 02:10
Quote
Cump?

(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/og-sprite-asph-sm.jpg)
I'M TELLING!!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Jan 2011, 02:28
Good catch on the number plate.  Guess it's time for a drunken jam session?

Also, at least Marten's mom didn't insist on taking over his room and telling him he could just sleep with Faye in another misguided attempt to "heal" him.  But I get the feeling Faye would have a new target for her punches then.

Perhaps Sven drinking with Marten (and, hopefully, keeping him from creeping on Faye again) will give his relationship with Faye a little more closure?  Let her see him as a platonically okay dude for taking care of her friend when he was in need of a keeper--and she had had some problems with filling that role herself of late.

OR MAYBE HE WILL JUST TRY TO HAVE DRUNK MAKEOUTS WITH SVEN INSTEAD HURR
I doubt Faye would ever dare to punch Martens Mom.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jan 2011, 02:33
Not if she didn't want to spend the next six months in her Dungeon.



Geez Sven, it's called Internal Monologue you dork!!

Though him and Marten getting together with a bottle of Whiskey might be a good idea - Until he opens his mouth about Martens Mom.

I wonder if the local park benches are available?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 11 Jan 2011, 02:37
Quote
Cump?

(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/og-sprite-asph-sm.jpg)
I'M TELLING!!

Best QC related laugh I've had in a while :D

EDIT: I say QC related cause I read it here. I know the comic is Oglaf :)
---

I hadn't realised Sven was out of his apartment. I think him and Marten going for a drink is an excellent idea. Not too sure it'll happen though. Sven might feel it would be more diplomatic to avoid Marten for a little while or something.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jan 2011, 02:42
I hadn't realised Sven was out of his apartment. I think him and Marten going for a drink is an excellent idea. Not too sure it'll happen though. Sven might feel it would be more diplomatic to avoid Marten for a little while or something.

Ummmmmmm

You do realise this is Sven you're talking about

Right??
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 11 Jan 2011, 03:15
I don't know who I dislike more at this point...Dora for locking Sven out of his own place, or Sven for letting her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Destenoth on 11 Jan 2011, 03:17
I hadn't realised Sven was out of his apartment. I think him and Marten going for a drink is an excellent idea. Not too sure it'll happen though. Sven might feel it would be more diplomatic to avoid Marten for a little while or something.

Ummmmmmm

You do realise this is Sven you're talking about

Right??

Well, he's trying to be a better person...

No you may well be right. It might cross his mind, but then perhaps it should have crossed his mind that Dora didn't want to hear about Marten's sexy mother. Ah well. He is getting better  :-).

I don't know who I dislike more at this point...Dora for locking Sven out of his own place, or Sven for letting her.

See, in this I think I can see the "Overplayed for the purposes of humour" thing others have mentioned coming into play. If we want to be completely serious then I guess it's an overreaction, but I think it's more just designed to provide a laugh and move the story forward. That is assuming that Sven goes out and interacts with someone (possibly Marten). He may well just drop by Will's or another friend's place without it being dealt with in comic.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 11 Jan 2011, 03:24
I don't know who I dislike more at this point...Dora for locking Sven out of his own place, or Sven for letting her.

See, in this I think I can see the "Overplayed for the purposes of humour" thing others have mentioned coming into play.

If we want to be completely serious then I guess it's an overreaction, but I think it's more just designed to provide a laugh and move the story forward. That is assuming that Sven goes out and interacts with someone (possibly Marten). He may well just drop by Will's or another friend's place without it being dealt with in comic.

I certainly hope that's where we're going...

I know that if you lock me out of my own place, you'd better stay in there forever.

It's my place...you have no authority to control what I say or do therein, especially if you're family and I'm doing you a favor by letting you stay there.

...but from what I'm seeing we're slowly morphing Sven into the same level of pushover as Marten. With luck this strip was what you described, but I'm guessing it's just another part of the continuing trend.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Ctharlhie94 on 11 Jan 2011, 04:04
Jeph likes his powerful women :P
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 11 Jan 2011, 04:39
Oi, Sven...  :psyduck:  Settle down, champ.  Settle down.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 11 Jan 2011, 05:05
Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ummmkay on 11 Jan 2011, 05:14
i seriously doubt that his comment was in any way related to whatever they were watching on tv.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Jan 2011, 05:42
Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.

They weren't watching a fetish video, because if you had forgotten, Sven met Veronica earlier in the day. It was just something you casually say without thinking.

Anyway, anyone want to know how to do an impression of Sven Bianchi?

Step 1. Open mouth
Step 2. Lift foot to mouth
Step 3. Insert foot into mouth
Step 4. Act horrified
Step 5. Bang on the door like Fred Flintstone
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 11 Jan 2011, 05:59
See, this is why I always have a spare key on my dog tags.  Or at least, another one hidden somewhere, say, with a friend down the hall or something.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2011, 06:23
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Jan 2011, 07:05
Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.
What gives you the idea they watch Marten's Mum ? They just look like they watch the regular TV program.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 11 Jan 2011, 07:13
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

I nearly panicked for a moment at the mere possibility that something like this might happen...before remembering that Faye lives there too, so it'll never happen.

Don't  do  that...  :-P
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Loki on 11 Jan 2011, 07:36
A) He's been in a dangerous place lately and doing some dangerous things. Granted, it hasn't gone on long enough to be a massive worry yet. So just, you know, general breakup angst.

Uh, like what? Getting drunk and making a dick move on his roommate (pun intended)? That hardly classifies as "dangerous" in my book, unless you mean the kind of "Faye will beat you to death"-danger. The kind of dangerous I think of is wrapping your car around a tree (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=506) or something to that extent.
Quote
To be honest, I don't think Marten in therapy is particularly likely, as that would mean 4 characters undergoing psychiatric treatment.
Uhm, who? Faye, Dora, Marten and?.. I don't think Hanners is undergoing therapy at the moment. At least we know for sure she isn't taking any meds (she mentioned she had been on some powerful meds when first meeting Marten, but has stopped taking them at some point).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: StevenC on 11 Jan 2011, 08:00
I think Hanners still goes. It just isn't mentioned because it's become like brushing her teeth to her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Jan 2011, 08:25
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

First the A-Team reference, now the Odd Couple, if we're going for 70s/early 80s TV can we somehow get original recipe BSG?  I miss Lorne Greene.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 11 Jan 2011, 08:40
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

First the A-Team reference, now the Odd Couple, if we're going for 70s/early 80s TV can we somehow get original recipe BSG?  I miss Lorne Greene.

I kind of regret the A-Team silliness I started and I'll probably regret this but I'll round out the trifecta by suggesting that Marten, fed up with his chew-toy status decides to hit the road like an emo-Michael Knight using Pintsize as the computer behind a porn obsessed sweary Kit.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 11 Jan 2011, 09:03
Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.
I like the way you think. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 11 Jan 2011, 09:28
Three other characters, besides Marten, that it might be fun for Sven to go visit-

A. Hanners. We know they get along really well, but they don't hang out much. Might incidentally lead to...
B. Marigold. Cue massive awkwardness, especially from Momo. Plus, Sven might be impressed by Marbear's mastery of WoW.
C. Veronica, in a bar somewhere. Could happen, and would probably lead to lots of exposition.

I'd also suggest Jimbo, but he doesn't feature that often in the comic. Last time we saw him was during the Tai/Marigold fanfic arc, as I recall.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Jan 2011, 09:35
I'd also suggest Jimbo, but he doesn't feature that often in the comic. Last time we saw him was during the Tai/Marigold fanfic arc, as I recall.

Last time I saw Jimbo in the comic was during the Con Marten and Dora went to, unless I've missed something...

Anyway, he's more Marten's "friend", seeing as the only time we ever see Jimbo is around Marten....Wait!

What if Jimbo is some sort of physical manifestation of Marten's inner drunkard?....Nah, too screwy an idea.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: tomart on 11 Jan 2011, 10:31
Re: Marten + Marigold...?
I haven't sensed any attraction, but AnAverageWriter made some good points. 

Marten and Dora don't actually have much in common, either.
Marigold once said she just wants a boy who would be nice to her; Marten is that personified. 
And she is similar in body type to Faye, whom he yearned for long time.*

Perhaps in Real Life, such a pairing would match two nice people (I'm not too different from Marten, and I would love someone like Marigold.)  But the Alphagirl - Passiveboy drama wouldn't be there for a comic.

*Perhaps Dora was actually correct all along, that he went along with her as rebound (and good sex) and some mysterious spark (or just confidence, ambition, stuff like that) she wanted was missing.  So she broke up with him, but without telling him the real reason.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Jan 2011, 10:58
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

First the A-Team reference, now the Odd Couple, if we're going for 70s/early 80s TV can we somehow get original recipe BSG?  I miss Lorne Greene.

I kind of regret the A-Team silliness I started and I'll probably regret this but I'll round out the trifecta by suggesting that Marten, fed up with his chew-toy status decides to hit the road like an emo-Michael Knight using Pintsize as the computer behind a porn obsessed sweary Kit.

Never regret the silliness - it is what separates us from the (insert name of something non-silly here)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 11 Jan 2011, 11:27
Last time I saw Jimbo in the comic was during the Con Marten and Dora went to, unless I've missed something...

Ah. I got confused. Tai and bad writing were involved in both places.

In any case, yeah, he and sven aren't buddies. But there are a finite number of bars in this town, and Jimbo spends a lot of time in them from what we've seen. Another one of the 'not impossible, just not likely' things.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 11 Jan 2011, 11:44
I don't know who I dislike more at this point...Dora for locking Sven out of his own place, or Sven for letting her.

 Agreed.

 Why is it any of Dora's business to hate Sven for thinking of Marten's mom as hot in a casual conversational way?

 Isn't this *his* apartment she's crashing in?
 She thought VV was hot too, is she jealous of her brother's opinion somehow?
 Wasn't this the same type of irrational jealous behavior that screwed her relationship with Marten in the first place?

 But no, nevermind all that. She's just going to lock him out of his own apartment for having the same opinion she does.

/obviously I didn't find today's comic very funny. Maybe I'm looking at it from the wrong end or something.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: tomart on 11 Jan 2011, 11:53
cuzsis, i'm offended by her behavior, too

but i think maybe all the reasons you list are WHY she overreacted, and why it's "funny":  he just casually brought up all the crap that's bothering her, all at once, in one offhand comment. 

this was better, and more succinct, than watching her scream and rant.  I trust Sven can find a comfy place to sleep, maybe not alone, maybe just hang out with Veronica...  That would pay Dora back, n'est-ce pas?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Jan 2011, 12:04
I trust Sven can <cut> maybe just hang out with Veronica...  That would pay Dora back, n'est-ce pas?

While at the same time be another kick to the nads while Marten is down. Seriously, there is one unwritten rule amongst guys, even if you aren't exactly friends with them and that is you don't sleep with their mothers! Sven might have been a douche before the "Faye" incident, but he has grown a little since then, does anyone think he'd actually do something like that? (Watch now on Friday where the last panel will be......If I say it, Jeph won't do it)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 11 Jan 2011, 12:22
Is it just me or does Dora look like she's about to cry in the first two panels?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Jan 2011, 12:43
A) He's been in a dangerous place lately and doing some dangerous things. Granted, it hasn't gone on long enough to be a massive worry yet. So just, you know, general breakup angst.

Uh, like what?

Drinking most of a bottle while being skinny without a spotter makes for a risk of unfunny alcohol overdose.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Skewbrow on 11 Jan 2011, 13:00
Is it just me or does Dora look like she's about to cry in the first two panels?

No. My first (and second) impression was exactly the same. She could be just numbly watching whatever non-cerebral flick they chose to rent to pass the evening, but something about her says she's desperately trying to hold back her tears...

...and then, unable to ignore it any longer, Sven decides to break the awkward silence with the first thing that pops into his mind.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ducktape on 11 Jan 2011, 13:23
Is it just me or does Dora look like she's about to cry in the first two panels?
No. My first (and second) impression was exactly the same. She could be just numbly watching whatever non-cerebral flick they chose to rent to pass the evening, but something about her says she's desperately trying to hold back her tears...
...and then, unable to ignore it any longer, Sven decides to break the awkward silence with the first thing that pops into his mind.

For which Dora, instead of forcing Sven to listen to a drawn-out, tearful, not-entirely-unjustified rant, kicks him out of the apartment; she just can't deal with his flippancy at the moment.  Hopefully Sven will meet up with some other member of the cast and Jeph won't just drop the potential miniarc.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Mustakyy on 11 Jan 2011, 13:37
Sven, Sven, Sven. You still have the way with words and with timing.  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D


Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.

AUGH!  :psyduck:  That haven't even crossed my mind. Urgh, I think i need some brain bleach.


Is it just me or does Dora look like she's about to cry in the first two panels?

No. My first (and second) impression was exactly the same. She could be just numbly watching whatever non-cerebral flick they chose to rent to pass the evening, but something about her says she's desperately trying to hold back her tears...

...and then, unable to ignore it any longer, Sven decides to break the awkward silence with the first thing that pops into his mind.

Eeek! Are you reading my thoughts?? If so, please disregard any shady/questionable information.  :roll:  

Seriously talking, idugup i gotta admit couldn't have said it better.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jan 2011, 14:48
this was better, and more succinct, than watching her scream and rant. 

I don't think she did - I can picture her getting up after his comment, silently pulling him up, leading him to the door and giving him the bum's rush, before he even had a chance to realize what was going on and object. 

And yes, if she wasn't about to cry, she probably had been crying earlier.  Marten's having a hard time, and and most of his pain right now is self-inflicted; he got hungover all on his own.  Mom didn't help much, but he's as guilty for falling into the old parent-child patterns as she is.  Dora's pain is pretty much self-inflicted as well, but I think that Dora's harder on herself than Marten is on himself.  Just her nature, ya know?  If you're a driven over-achiever compensating for a star of a brother, then when you're making yourself miserable, you need to be thorough and complete about it.  Nothing less will do!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 11 Jan 2011, 15:57
Three other characters, besides Marten, that it might be fun for Sven to go visit-

A. Hanners. We know they get along really well, but they don't hang out much. Might incidentally lead to...
B. Marigold. Cue massive awkwardness, especially from Momo. Plus, Sven might be impressed by Marbear's mastery of WoW.
C. Veronica, in a bar somewhere. Could happen, and would probably lead to lots of exposition.

I'd also suggest Jimbo, but he doesn't feature that often in the comic. Last time we saw him was during the Tai/Marigold fanfic arc, as I recall.

Marigold'd be awkward because of Angus and all.  Nah, he goes to see Dale/Gendo, who's still tracking Marigold down...

Edit: In WoW.  Not actually, you know, stalking her IRL.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: tomart on 11 Jan 2011, 16:50
...and then, unable to ignore it any longer, Sven decides to break the awkward silence with the first thing that pops into his mind.

See??  He's "trying to help" just like Veronica was for Marten!   So let's excuse Sven too!   (Double standards?)

Carl:  I don't consider Marten's pain to be "self-inflicted." 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Jan 2011, 17:23
Carl:  I don't consider Marten's pain to be "self-inflicted." 

I dunno, I think that hangover was pretty much his own self doing.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 11 Jan 2011, 17:37
To distinguish-

Marten's physical pain, if he still has any, is due to Faye punching him in the head.

Marten's emotional pain is due to Dora breaking up with him.

Marten is not the proximate cause of either of these, although he's in part responsible for both (he could have not decided to date Dora, if we're gettin' hypothetical here.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2011, 19:02
Yeah, so Sven needs to adjust his internal censor, but the real question is why Dora and Sven were watching, rather joylessly, Marten's Mum perform in the first place. I just can't imagine watching a fetish video with my brother.
I like the way you think. :psyduck:

...Maybe it's an "E! True Hollywood Stories" episode - "Veronica Vance - Behind the Domme"
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ducktape on 11 Jan 2011, 20:11
To distinguish-

Marten's physical pain, if he still has any, is due to Faye punching him in the head.

Marten's emotional pain is due to Dora breaking up with him.

Marten is not the proximate cause of either of these, although he's in part responsible for both (he could have not decided to date Dora, if we're gettin' hypothetical here.)

I suppose some of his physical pain could still be from his überhangover ...
And some of his emotional pain could be from feeling little to no sympathy in general.  This isn't entirely true, but if it happens enough you begin to believe it's true all the time.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: maddness on 11 Jan 2011, 21:04

Marigold'd be awkward because of Angus and all.  Nah, he goes to see Dale/Gendo, who's still tracking Marigold down...

Edit: In WoW.  Not actually, you know, stalking her IRL.


Except for when he's popping out of darkened alleyways. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1771")

Edit: Fixing mah link!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jan 2011, 23:25
I'm a bit scared. I clicked on the "random" link on today's comic - and it sent me to #504.

Yeah, you know, that one.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Jan 2011, 23:43
B. Marigold. Cue massive awkwardness, especially from Momo. Plus, Sven might be impressed by Marbear's mastery of WoW.
Uh, from what I heard, he could also try any not retarded 4 year old and be impressed by their "mastery of WoW".

At least thats what the MMO forums complain about, that WoW only gets even easier with every expansion.

Myself, I never played WoW, so I wouldnt know firsthand.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ysth on 11 Jan 2011, 23:50
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

I nearly panicked for a moment at the mere possibility that something like this might happen...before remembering that Faye lives there too, so it'll never happen.

Don't  do  that...  :-P
Three's Company, then.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 11 Jan 2011, 23:52
B. Marigold. Cue massive awkwardness, especially from Momo. Plus, Sven might be impressed by Marbear's mastery of WoW.
Uh, from what I heard, he could also try any not retarded 4 year old and be impressed by their "mastery of WoW".

At least thats what the MMO forums complain about, that WoW only gets even easier with every expansion.

Myself, I never played WoW, so I wouldnt know firsthand.

I play WoW, my own comments are thus

If I can't do it and my friends can't either then it's too difficult
If I can do it and only I and a few of my peers can do it it's fine and we're incredibly skilled, etc.
If anyone can do it with enough practice, studying online guides, following number crunch spreadsheets, downloading addons to provide extra aid and info, then suddenly we don't feel as special anymore and thus it's 'too easy'

Sorry, just felt a need to make that comment as it irritates the ever loving CRAP out of me.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 00:04
"On January 11, Sven Bianchi was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. That request came from his sister. Deep down, he knew she was right, but he also knew that someday, he would return to her (since she had all his Pavement CD's). With nowhere else to go, he appeared at the home of his friend, Marten Reed. Sometime earlier, Reed's girlfriend had left him - ironically, the same woman who kicked Bianchi out of his own house. Can two scorned men share an apartment without driving each other crazy?"

(Cue theme from "The Odd Couple")

I nearly panicked for a moment at the mere possibility that something like this might happen...before remembering that Faye lives there too, so it'll never happen.

Don't  do  that...  :-P
Three's Company, then.

"Come and knock on our door..."
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jan 2011, 00:04
[1838] One in the eye for the old generation of shippers, I guess!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: LordVaughn on 12 Jan 2011, 00:06
>_> Veronica's been hitting plenty of nerves with sniper-like precision lately.... and at least one of the shots was when Sven pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 00:07
"You and Marten? That'd been a NIGHTMARE!"

This confirms it: Veronica may be good with cuffs and bondage, but she has no control over whatever comes out of her mouth.

Nor does she have much tact, either.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Jan 2011, 00:09
I....I don't know what to think.  :|





Except that I'm pretty sure I no longer like Veronica.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 00:12
Cump?

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Cump.    - 51 (62.2%)
Blrzgh?    - 4 (4.9%)
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Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DSL on 12 Jan 2011, 00:15
I ... Still wanna like the lady. But damn, woman. blunt instruments, much?

Holding out hope this is some sort of weird reverse psychology for the benefit not only of the Pugnacious Peach, but of our hero we assume is emerging from the shower offpanel.

Not in Winkerbean territory yet, but you can see it from here.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Tabfan on 12 Jan 2011, 00:16
This is starting to remind me of the whole de-marriaging from Spider-man, specifically how Marvel just can't leave it be and keep poking at it.  If Marten and Faye aren't going to be a couple, can we just move on already?  There's gotta be more interesting avenues of plot development for the characters out there.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 12 Jan 2011, 00:16
So, she spends one whole day pounding Marten in the ass (in the figurative sense, you pervs), now it's Faye's turn.

Seriously, the arc after this better be "Marten's dad and his hubby visit and ACTUALLY FUCKING HELP HIM". If the plan for this arc was for all of us who read this comic to want Miss Vance beaten to death with a brick, then gangraped by the 72 Dolphins, permit me to be the first to say Mission Accomplished.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kazukagii on 12 Jan 2011, 00:16
I'll just relax over here on my little yacht, eat popcorn and watch the incoming shipping battles a few nautical miles away. Anybody else anticipating a shit storm incoming and wanting to watch from the sidelines, you're more than welcome to join me. Beer's in the fridge, extra chairs in the closet below deck.

Oh Jeph there are some nights I love you. This is one of those nights.  :evil:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ysth on 12 Jan 2011, 00:20
However much she's heard (and seen in this and the previous visit), I don't see how she can make that kind of judgment about Faye.

So what does she think about Marten's issues that would lead her to that conclusion?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 12 Jan 2011, 00:21
Re Marten's Mom: Bitch be crazy!











But the question is, is she actually crazy, or crazy like a fox, like Jack Sparrow crazy?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: foolsguinea on 12 Jan 2011, 00:22
[1838] One in the eye for the old generation of shippers, I guess!
I laughed, I cheered, I made nerdy hand gestures of glee.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Jan 2011, 00:22
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!
OMG NO WAY!!!!

:-D


Btw, I love Fayes sad expression.


Why cant I choose "Hanners" in todays poll ?

There must always be Hanners !!!


However much she's heard (and seen in this and the previous visit), I don't see how she can make that kind of judgment about Faye.

So what does she think about Marten's issues that would lead her to that conclusion?
You tell me, I have no clue ...

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: redragon5000 on 12 Jan 2011, 00:28
And the Miss Reed train just keeps on going.  :-P
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: electricumbrellas on 12 Jan 2011, 00:31
I actually laughed aloud at the last panel. Faye's expression was heartbreakingly hilarious. And I'm still on the fence on whether or not I like her or not. There has to be more to what she's doing.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Sorflakne on 12 Jan 2011, 00:34
Holy shit!

Ok, I love Veronica and all, but Jesus…there’s ‘being blunt’ and being ‘a damn wrecking ball’…
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: leahneedsanap on 12 Jan 2011, 00:36
I actually didn't think this was that bad--but then again, that's with the perspective of how far Faye's come since then, and I'm not sure how much Ms. Reed knows about that.  But I dunno, I've had lots of male friends with whom I have at some point had some sort of romantic and/or sexual tension that we ultimately decided not to pursue, and looking back I am like, "good call, that would have been a terrible idea."  How I'd feel about those friends' moms saying that, especially when we were still friends and she had been using him as a punching bag lately (and hey, isn't that MY job?) I don't know.  Ironically, Faye's personal growth has put her well outside Marten's lady comfort zone, if Dora and his mom are any indication--she's gone from using domination to bulldoze over the idea that she has any personal vulnerabilities or flaws, to confronting those things head-on and address them like a grown-up, learning to be a much more supportive friend in the process.  Yeah, she just punched Marten during his Drunken Madness, but he was really and truly beyond any line of appropriateness, and she then made a decision for her own reasons to chalk it up to pain and alcohol and not make him keep paying for it later.  Can you imagine Faye doing that the last time Marten's mom was here?  Some will say that growth has put her outside of the realm of women Marten would be attracted to, some will say that to break that cycle is precisely what he needs and new-and-improved Faye would actually be a great mate for him--only now, she's way out of his league in the other direction.  I would more say they are now just extremely platonically compatible, but the sparks have fizzled, and the relationship is just different.  Part of the reason they CAN have the relationship they do, of such deep trust and honesty, is in part BECAUSE they aren't dating, aren't really attracted to each other anymore, and a romantic relationship is not even a distant possibility, taking a big scary thing that threatens Faye's boundaries off the table and enabling her to break other intimacy walls.

TL;DR: Ms Reed is rude.  Faye is a big girl, she can handle it.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Swedish Chef on 12 Jan 2011, 00:36
Ms Reed is dressed like a Sith lord...

It all make sense now!.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 00:38
There has to be more to what she's doing.

Not necessarily.  My own mother is incredibly  tactless with the spouses of all of her boys.  

And we're never there to hear it, either.  

Some people are simply amazing that way...

Kazukagii, I hope you have a lot  of beer on that boat!  I'm gonna need it...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 12 Jan 2011, 00:47
Ok, I love Veronica and all, but Jesus…there’s ‘being blunt’ and being ‘a damn wrecking ball’…
Yeah, but this has been her style since she first appeared in the comic. And remember the pink "Pretty Princess" tee-shirt she sent Marten?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 00:52
Part of the reason they CAN have the relationship they do, of such deep trust and honesty, is in part BECAUSE they aren't dating, aren't really attracted to each other anymore, and a romantic relationship is not even a distant possibility, taking a big scary thing that threatens Faye's boundaries off the table and enabling her to break other intimacy walls.

Actually, even without Faye's personal growth, I think Ms. Reed's being honest here.  They really wouldn't have been good together.  Much of what leahneedsanap says about the development of the relationship is true, and it wouldn't have happened if they'd gotten romantically involved, but aside from that Faye doesn't strike me as the type of woman Marten needs (neither did Dora, but she was a lot closer).  

The boy has little, if any, self esteem.  He needs someone who would be able to make him feel better about himself, someone to encourage him to follow a dream or two, not just give him punches or free muffins/sex.  I think this may be why people like the idea of Hanners with Marten, such ego boosting fluffing enhancement is part of her nature.  

Well, he could always try onliine dating...

after a reasonable hiatus, of course!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jan 2011, 01:14
... the Pugnacious Peach
Magnificent. This should be the new name for Faye.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 12 Jan 2011, 01:16
The boy has little, if any, self esteem.  He needs someone who would be able to make him feel better about himself, someone to encourage him to follow a dream or two, not just give him punches or free muffins/sex.  I think this may be why people like the idea of Hanners with Marten, such ego boosting fluffing enhancement is part of her nature.  

In light of that sentiment, the idea of Marten and Marigold getting together kind of makes some kind of logical sense.

Marten is very sensitive and would treat Marigold with respect and affection, and Marigold, unlike Hanners, has expressed both an interest and a desire for physical intimacy.

They would probably be good for one another.

Marten would help Marigold see the beauty in herself, and Marigold would not walk all over Marten, as certain other persons, who shall remain nameless, have done in the past.

I don't think they would ultimately stay together forever, but they would each gain valuable experience from the relationship.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Jan 2011, 01:24
Ms Reed is dressed like a Sith lord...
Um, not really. No hood. And more importantly, no disfiguration. Finally, no red lightsaber either.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 12 Jan 2011, 01:27
I thought, at some moments, that maybe...maybe...Veronica was using a scalpel of insensitivity and rudeness to pierce Marten's shell and expose the gooey, angsty center.

Now I know it's not a scalpel. It's a battleaxe...and she's swinging wildly at anything that moves.

I'll echo other sentiments...I can't wait for Veronica to get on that plane and go home. This comic hasn't been enjoyable to read since she arrived. (One dinosaur related image notwithstanding)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jan 2011, 01:29
double-take

Did Martenmom really say that she'd been polite?!

Maybe the fear that Faye and Marten would be a bad couple is what motivated the Bosch threat.

Now we understand more completely why Marten said in strip 48 that his parents drive him crazy.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2011, 01:32
Oh God Faye's face is fucking priiiiiiiceless last panel.

And probably unsurprisingly, I love Veronica all over again tonight. Fantastically done, Jeph.

Ms Reed is dressed like a Sith lord...

Actually I was trying to place her outfit and now it kind of clicks. She could totally rock a red lightsaber. Or Force lightning.

"You will pay the price for your lack of vision!"

(insert inevitable joke about Veronica's career)

The boy has little, if any, self esteem.  He needs someone who would be able to make him feel better about himself, someone to encourage him to follow a dream or two, not just give him punches or free muffins/sex.  I think this may be why people like the idea of Hanners with Marten, such ego boosting fluffing enhancement is part of her nature.  

In light of that sentiment, the idea of Marten and Marigold getting together kind of makes some kind of logical sense.

Marten is very sensitive and would treat Marigold with respect and affection, and Marigold, unlike Hanners, has expressed both an interest and a desire for physical intimacy.

They would probably be good for one another.

Marten would help Marigold see the beauty in herself, and Marigold would not walk all over Marten, as certain other persons, who shall remain nameless, have done in the past.

I don't think they would ultimately stay together forever, but they would each gain valuable experience from the relationship.

...Actually, put that way, yeah that pairing makes some sense. Just...none of their interactions so far have indicated anything like interest or even cognizance. But who knows? I certainly wouldn't mind if Jeph went that way, Marbear deserves a break.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 Jan 2011, 01:37
Never regret the silliness - it is what separates us from the (insert name of something non-silly here)

The moderators is the most likely guess.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 01:49
I did not include Hanners in the poll because she already did her part to tick her off in the intros (THIS is the gal you were talking about? She seems normal to me!).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ZERO on 12 Jan 2011, 02:06
This is starting to remind me of the whole de-marriaging from Spider-man, specifically how Marvel just can't leave it be and keep poking at it. 

Don't get me started.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 12 Jan 2011, 02:15
It amuses me when someone expects a shitstorm, that, by virtue of being expected, never drops its load. :angel:

But really Jeph, most of those who support Marten and Faye do so because it was the first pairing in the strip, and you teased us with it for 550 strips (there were odds and ends after The Talk). We get the point, they'll never be together. Any anger over such a statement is now just slight disgruntlement at our OTP being trodden upon. Because these characters will never change, after all. Marten will never stand up for himself against female abuse. Faye will never get therapy for her major issues (oh wait). Everyone will stay exactly the same. Especially Veronica Reed, who will come back during her son's time of crisis and and act as she did on her first visit, but with an exponentially larger amount of embarrassing and behind his back actions. Except me, because I just realized I'm sounding pretty passive aggressive and I don't recall having that habit before.  :?

*Coughs* Anyway, the point is that we've gotten the point 4 or five times now that Marten and Faye will never be together in comic- not a month from now, not a year from now, not ever, because they will never change dangit! You don't have to repeat that point every few months; we get the point. You don't have to repeat that every few words.  We get it. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment)

So please, stop hammering the point home, get Veronica out of there before she says anything else that would be fine normally but extremely off when her son broke up from a committed relationship 3 days ago, and let's get on with the stories Angus and Faye. Sven and his introspection. Marigold and that Alliance scum. Marten at work. Marten and Hannelore. The coffeeshop. WhereisStevenow.jpg And so on. The breakup with Dora was tough but necessary, but this momvisits! arc has just been painful.


...You know, I only meant to write the first sentences, in an even shorter form than they are. How did I write three paragraphs? :psyduck:  But at least I didn't get annoyed, I'm still doing well on that. Now about this passive aggressive thing...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 12 Jan 2011, 02:17
Funny, it just now occurs to me that Martens Mom might simply be messing with Faye.

If she does, she is the grandmaster to keeping a straight face.




I'll echo other sentiments...I can't wait for Veronica to get on that plane and go home. This comic hasn't been enjoyable to read since she arrived. (One dinosaur related image notwithstanding)
Weird. I rarely had so much fun with QC than with Veronica.

Especially the first two comics were boundless fun - "I had a happy life, its ok if I get into prison for killing Dora" and "Oh look that waitress is beautiful, why dont you pick her ?".
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jan 2011, 02:23
It amuses me when someone expects a shitstorm, that, by virtue of being expected, never drops its load.

Is your memory that short?  Jeph's lived with shitstorms from time to time for years, and it will take more than a few weeks for him to trust that it has changed.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DSL on 12 Jan 2011, 02:25
Sudden thought. Did Hieronymus Bosch do any paintings set in apartment kitchens?

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 Jan 2011, 02:32
but this momvisits! arc has just been painful.


Really, because I'm loving this. The awkwardness, the tenterhooks of where it's going to go next, it's so delicious. I'm not saying I want it to go on forever, but it's as tasty as a big meal at a curry house and I'm hoping we haven't been handed the hot towels yet.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2011, 02:35
Quote from: snubnose link=topic=25915.msg1001203#msg1001203
Weird. I rarely had so much fun with QC than with Veronica.

Especially the first two comics were boundless fun - "I had a happy life, its ok if I get into prison for killing Dora" and "Oh look that waitress is beautiful, why dont you pick her ?".

I am right there with you, and I also loved the Sven-Veronica bit! There was so much subtlety there, the punchline was just the icing on the cake. Jeph really does faces well now!

but this momvisits! arc has just been painful.


Really, because I'm loving this. The awkwardness, the tenterhooks of where it's going to go next, it's so delicious. I'm not saying I want it to go on forever, but it's as tasty as a big meal at a curry house and I'm hoping we haven't been handed the hot towels yet.

Delicious schadenfreude curry. You know you shouldn't eat so much, but....
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 12 Jan 2011, 02:42
derp missed point herp  -- Jeph's lived with shitstorms from time to time for years, and it will take more than a few weeks for him to trust that it has changed.
That was my point. He comes on so strongly worrying about it that it's bound won't happen. Plus, I think the trolls have mostly cleared out since that big Kablooey a few weeks ago. There certainly wasn't much trouble the last two weeks, when people were more upset instead of resigned over Martenmom's behavior.

Really, because I'm loving this. The awkwardness, the tenterhooks of where it's going to go next, it's so delicious. I'm not saying I want it to go on forever, but it's as tasty as a big meal at a curry house and I'm hoping we haven't been handed the hot towels yet.
And I'd be happy to dig in, if the butt of all of it wasn't a guy who just lost his girlfriend two days ago, and she wasn't his mother who allegedly came to help him out. Most of what I have to say is in the thread for last week, I don't feel like restating it/ digging through it. I've never been one for relishing another's pain, basically.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 02:44
I'm suddenly getting this feeling of not "overprotective mother" but "WAY over the top mother".

Or perhaps she's just trying to be "The Agent" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MeddlingParents).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 Jan 2011, 02:56
I've never been one for relishing another's pain, basically.

I can understand that but I've long been of the opinion that Marten isn't real. Harsh, but I suspect also fair. If you want further confirmation that I'm a bad person, I also laugh at Itchy and Scratchy.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 03:08
...
I've never been one for relishing another's pain, basically.

AH! We have FOUND the issue at hand!

Veronica is probably LOVING all this.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Tova on 12 Jan 2011, 03:20
Well, you know how the expression goes: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 12 Jan 2011, 03:35
I've never been one for relishing another's pain, basically.
I can understand that but I've long been of the opinion that Marten isn't real. Harsh, but I suspect also fair. If you want further confirmation that I'm a bad person, I also ignore what people are saying and pick the one thing I can make fun of for the heck of it.
Good job, you found the issue: I cannot distinguish fiction from reality!

Or you're a twit, who's intentionally misinterpreting my point to be a twit.  One of the two.

Because I feel like elaborating, he's not real, but he's supposed to be empathetic. Itchy and Scratchy aren't. Thus, those of you with, y'know, souls, get uncomfortable when pretty much the single person one would expect to help him is instead embarrassing him at every turn and meddling in his interpersonal connections. Nearly everyone else, Pintsize? Sure, I'd laugh. but not when it's his mom that Goddammit, I add one final point and that's all you focus on. Way to keep the conversation focused on the story, instead of snarking at fellow forumgoers for your own amusement. Stop acting like a troll.

AH! We have FOUND the issue at hand!
Veronica is probably LOVING all this.
I'd hope that she sets aside being a dominatrix when her son is involved, so no.

Well, you know how the expression goes: Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.
And it's back to tragedy when your mother jumps in and starts stabbing your broken corpse instead of helping you get out.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 03:46
I suspect this is comedy for those who don't have relatives like this. 

I also suspect that there are very few of those here on the boards...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 Jan 2011, 03:47
Good job, you found the issue: I cannot distinguish fiction from reality!

Or you're a twit, who's intentionally misinterpreting my point to be a twit.  One of the two.

Because I feel like elaborating, he's not real, but he's supposed to be empathetic. Itchy and Scratchy aren't. Thus, those of you with, y'know, souls, get uncomfortable when pretty much the single person one would expect to help him is instead embarrassing him at every turn and meddling in his interpersonal connections. Nearly everyone else, Pintsize? Sure, I'd laugh. but not when it's his mom that. Dammit, go read the stuff from last week and stop being a jerk.

I need to go to sleep, because I think I'm responding to some trolling but I can't tell.

Really not trolling or suggesting that you can't distinguish reality from fiction, just that perhaps that you're taking the strip a little too seriously.

Although I'm prepared to accept that I should take it more seriously. Mind you, I'd never expect my parents to be the ones I depended on emotionally if I were in Marten's situation.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 04:06
Only thing I can think of, legitimately, is that she's trying to guilt-trip Faye.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 12 Jan 2011, 04:19
I suspect this is comedy for those who don't have relatives like this. 

I also suspect that there are very few of those here on the boards...
I don't think it's a personal thing. Mothers are supposed to be motherly; there's a reason that is a word, with the definition it does. When they aren't, and have made a previous appearance that did not identify them as unmotherly (that is, she was quite aware of what she said, joked around as though everyone was equal, defended her son's interests by intimidating Faye, otherwise indicating she was A Cool Mom), it's jarring. Everyone one else has acted according to the characterization we knew- Faye punched him, thus acting like Faye, Pintsize was Pintsize, etc. We don't know much about his mom other than she is his mom, so we expect her to act like... a mom. Which she did, with that full name thing outside the restaurant, but it wasn't context adjusted. Before she was funny and easygoing, which made sense because it was a fun and easygoing time in his life. Now it's not, and now it's jarring for her to still act like it's so.

Really not trolling or suggesting that you can't distinguish reality from fiction, just that perhaps that you're taking the strip a little too seriously.

Although I'm prepared to accept that I should take it more seriously. Mind you, I'd never expect my parents to be the ones I depended on emotionally if I were in Marten's situation.
I defend my opinions with vigor, but I hold them at a distance. If it seems like this is personal- well I'm tired, I'm not my best at objectivity right now. Again, reading what I said last week would help with that.

I wouldn't plan to depend on my parents either (though they're 75 miles away, not 3000 miles), but if one cared enough (and had the money to)  drop everything and flew over to see me the penultimate day after a major personal kerfuffle of mine, I'd expect them to act like I just had a major personal kerfuffle, not like it's been 6 months and I should stop moping and date that hot waitress. Tapability was funny the first time she visited; not this time.

*slaps self* Enough! I'm going to sleep, so I can be properly horrified at how into this I got in the morning later today.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 12 Jan 2011, 04:40
I defend my opinions with vigor, but I hold them at a distance. If it seems like this is personal- well I'm tired, I'm not my best at objectivity right now. Again, reading what I said last week would help with that.

I wouldn't plan to depend on my parents either (though they're 75 miles away, not 3000 miles), but if one cared enough (and had the money to)  drop everything and flew over to see me the penultimate day after a major personal kerfuffle of mine, I'd expect them to act like I just had a major personal kerfuffle, not like it's been 6 months and I should stop moping and date that hot waitress. Tapability was funny the first time she visited; not this time.

I read what you wrote last week (at least I presume I have as it's dispersed across the thread and I hope I haven't missed the pertinent part you're referring to) it still doesn't change my position. I too will defend my opinion with vigour. My opinion is that it's funny and brilliantly so.

Even if my parents had travelled across, time, space, dimensions and defeated the end of level baddie to see me after a major personal event I still wouldn't depend on them for quality emotional support. I guess that's just the way they are.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 12 Jan 2011, 05:01
What is up with everyone having to have extreme reactions to everything?

My own mother is hilariously inept at being emotionally supportive... I know that and I'm sure if this is normal Ms. Reed mode for dealing with emotional support, then Marten already knows this about his mother, too. I don't hold it against her, and honestly, you can tell she is ACTUALLY TRYING, even if she is awful at it. She isn't being a malicious bitch, she is just badly being a supportive mother, there is a difference (also, I would say that... overall she might know better how to deal with Marten's emotional shell than we do, so there may be some method to her madness that we don't get)

And also. ITS FUNNY. Almost everything Ms Reed has said is hilarious. Did people forget this was a comic again? And that some things are exaggerated for humor? Same with Sven and his lack of internal monologue, and him getting thrown out of his own apartment.

Also, as for "that would have been a disaster" that wasn't a condemnation of Faye. It was a condemnation of Faye and Marten TOGETHER. Two people can be perfectly wonderful human beings, and be perfectly awful for each other.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 05:08
...Marten already knows this about his mother, too.

Which is why he tried to convince her not to come when she called, and then just sighed and accepted it.  Really, Marten expected no more or less from her.  Why should we? 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 12 Jan 2011, 06:13
I think I sense the psychological manipulation dripping from Mrs. Reed's words...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Forgotmytea on 12 Jan 2011, 06:24
I'll just relax over here on my little yacht, eat popcorn and watch the incoming shipping battles a few nautical miles away. Anybody else anticipating a shit storm incoming and wanting to watch from the sidelines, you're more than welcome to join me. Beer's in the fridge, extra chairs in the closet below deck.

Oh Jeph there are some nights I love you. This is one of those nights.  :evil:
I've always found the sidelines very comfortable *grabs a beer and sits down*
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jan 2011, 06:24
The fact that we're speculating on what the #### she means in all this is indication enough that Jeph is a better scriptwriter than even we want to let on.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 12 Jan 2011, 06:28
I suspect this is comedy for those who don't have relatives like this. 

I also suspect that there are very few of those here on the boards...

Eh, she's a lot like my dad so far, and I'm still taking it relatively lightheartedly.  It involves kind of stepping out of my own head and looking at it from an outside perspective, but once I do it becomes less...mm. Painful to watch, I guess.

Though part of me suspects that this is Veronica's subtle little knife in Faye's gut for rejecting her son after letting him ride Faye's Emotional Roller Coaster (not that that's Faye's fault, in my opinion).  Moms can be like that, I've heard, for their little boys.  Heck, she was willing to go to prison for taking out Dora (joke or not, if Marten actually said yes? I think she'd have done it). This is downright tame in comparison.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: innermoppet on 12 Jan 2011, 06:40
... the Pugnacious Peach
Magnificent. This should be the new name for Faye.

That would be a fantastic T-shirt! A picture of Faye perhaps wearing a cute little indie headband with a flower on it, scowling, with both fists up like Rocky Balboa.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 12 Jan 2011, 06:45
... the Pugnacious Peach
Magnificent. This should be the new name for Faye.

That would be a fantastic T-shirt! A picture of Faye perhaps wearing a cute little indie headband with a flower on it, scowling, with both fists up like Rocky Balboa.

I would totes buy that tshirt.  And how.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: steveb on 12 Jan 2011, 07:15
It seems to me thinking back on Veronica's previous appearances in the comic that we have seen examples of her current
types of behaviour, but like most of the QC cast she is complex and there are other sides to her personality there as well.

To me it seems that Jeph is showing us this side of Veronica in such georgeous detail in order to flesh out Marten's back-story
(who is a much more major character).

People have been going on forever in this forum about Marten havin door-mat tendancies, This no longer just looks like a random character flaw but something rooted in issues from his childhood and makes me think that both sides of the Marten-Dora train wreck have issues from their pasts that need sorting out.
If you look back at Faye's history her character development would have just appeared like a random personality change if we had not been told something about her history. Similarly it would seem wrong for Dora to magically get over her issues without more of her back-story being shown.

Yes its very difficult to feel sypathetic towards V at the moment but I do wonder if the narrative reason for her visit (as opposed to the characters reason) is to set things up for some Marten character development.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2011, 07:53
What is up with everyone having to have extreme reactions to everything?

I don't think you realize the seriousness of the business going on in here. Let me tell you how serious this business is: you need to have an MBA and some Italian fucking loafers to be posting in this forum. You thought you could just come in here and talk about how funny some panel was? You thought WRONG, motherfucker. Crack open your literary analysis text, we are going to be here a while. Where is your psychological graph? Your shipping wall? Your thesis on who shot Faye's father? Get with the program here.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 08:05
Steveb, well put!  And don't worry about the Dr. ROFLPWN, he's been a bit out of sorts ever since his thread was trashed...

I mean, I haven't even started  my thesis!  No MBA, either. 


Also, we already have an image...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5349471384_d18c13409c.jpg)

Feel free to fix it. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 12 Jan 2011, 08:19
I think Veronica is one of the most true-to-life, hysterical moms I've ever met.  Maybe because she completely reminds me of my mother (except my mother would never have hugged my ex), but everything she's done / saying is absolutely dead on for being a Mom.  In her eyes, she's seen heartbreak come and go, and so she sees Dora & Marten as just another relationship in the big scheme of things.  To anyone who has ever had a hard breakup, it never seems like that at all.  So Veronica's going to be looking at things a lot more big picture then anyone else, and she's probably somewhat amused / trying to desperately point out that Marten has all of these amazing single women in his life who he might be compatible with (Hanners, Marigold, etc).  She has to make sure he doesn't lose perspective of his life as a whole. 

As for today's strip, holy cow, I laughed HARD.  I completely approve of what Veronica said to Faye.  Because she's calling out the 900 lb gorilla out.  If Faye really just saw Marten as a friend, that might sting a little on the self-esteem front, but hell, Faye herself has decided that Marten and her going out was a bad idea, so why would she be so heartbroken about that comment?

Unless...Faye really isn't sure.  Right now, Marten functions as her emotional boyfriend, for lack of a better term.  Their friendship is basically Marten doing all the boyfriendly emotional things (being there for her when things go bad, etc etc), but with none of the physical aspects (except the occasional hugging).  Veronica may have picked up that while as Faye is dating Angus, Faye *needs* Marten.  As a mom, it's hard to see your boy struggling with being alone and lonely, when you realize his roommate / best friend is using him (perhaps in Veronica's eyes) as an emotional boyfriend. 

Why not find out how someone REALLY feels by dropping that line in?

Alternatively, Veronica just believes Faye about the entire "I don't have feelings for Marten that way" bit, and just dropped that line in as kind of a re-affirmation of "you made the right decision for the two of you", unaware that Faye probably isn't 100% sure about it. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 12 Jan 2011, 08:34
Steveb, well put!  And don't worry about the Dr. ROFLPWN, he's been a bit out of sorts ever since his thread was trashed...

I mean, I haven't even started  my thesis!  No MBA, either.  


Also, we already have an image...

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5349471384_d18c13409c.jpg)

Feel free to fix it.  

Why would you remind me of my faded glories, you cruel, cruel man.  :cry:  I am as Ozymandias! All the works of my hands have become as dust!

(More seriously I am just being a sarcastic jerk.

As to the image, I like it, but it needs the headband, I think...The lettering is good though.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 08:55
Sorry, must be my true nature slipping through  :evil:

As for the image, all I gots is MS paint.  I had to darken the couch to get the lettering to show, and did a pretty lousy job.  But yeah, if someone wants to put her into a "million dollar baby" outfit, feel free! 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Olymander on 12 Jan 2011, 09:03
I have to agree with those others in that the actions of Mrs. Reed don't really bother me all that significantly.  Maybe it's because, as I think I mentioned somewhere or another, that I've seen this sort of behaviour before.  In real life.  So for me, it's "funny" in the sense that it often ends up being an "Oh God, remember that time when?" sort of thing.

As a random semi-related aside, and sparked by a memory of the person I was mostly responding to last week, I wonder if there's an age split in those that favor Mrs. Reed and those that don't, as in that there are more younger persons that don't favor Mrs. Reed and more older persons that do.  Doesn't really mean anything, just a curiosity bit.  And, of course, at that point we'd have to define how much older is "older" and how much younger is "younger".  :-P

Oh, and Dr. ROFLPWN?  You can have your loafers.  I'll just find a nice heavy pair of steel-toed boots... (added humour value in that I weigh somewhere in the neighbourhood of a buck-five, so said boots will probably add 5 pounds to my weight!)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Delator on 12 Jan 2011, 09:16
Alternatively, Veronica just believes Faye about the entire "I don't have feelings for Marten that way" bit, and just dropped that line in as kind of a re-affirmation of "you made the right decision for the two of you", unaware that Faye probably isn't 100% sure about it.

A lot of what you say makes sense, but think about it another way.

Faye did have feelings for Marten. She said as much.

Now Marten's mom says they never would have worked out...in spite of those feelings.

Now Faye's going to be worried that her feelings for Angus are masking the same sort of incompatibility.


*cue drama*


...I also have a new Theory Which Shall Not Be Named.


Don't fail me now Jeph.  :lol:

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Jan 2011, 09:25
Now Faye's going to be worried that her feelings for Angus are masking the same sort of incompatibility.

Not only that, but Faye could interpret Veronica's meaning to be that she's the reason they wouldn't have worked out. I'm not saying that is what Veronica meant; it most likely isn't, but Faye's got much bigger self-confidence issues than she lets on and I can see her taking "You'd have been a terrible couple" to really mean "You would have been terrible for Marten. He really dodged a bullet there." Hence Faye's stricken look in the last panel.

It would have been ok for Veronica to state that particular opinion to Marten, but saying it to Faye was just a tad out of line (or she could have at least put it better). Then again she was already on a roll with the out-of-line-train already so why stop now?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Black Sword on 12 Jan 2011, 10:20
I believe this would be known as "ship sinking (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipSinking)" on TV Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/). Hey, it's even linked already!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jan 2011, 11:19
Ahhh,

Back to the Sith Lord of Tactlessness, Darth Vanceuous
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AngryCallCenterAgent on 12 Jan 2011, 11:36
GAWDDAYUM, getting shot down by the mother. Speaking of which, wonder what Faye's mother would think if they did hook up?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 12 Jan 2011, 11:53
I'll just relax over here on my little yacht, eat popcorn and watch the incoming shipping battles a few nautical miles away. Anybody else anticipating a shit storm incoming and wanting to watch from the sidelines, you're more than welcome to join me. Beer's in the fridge, extra chairs in the closet below deck.

You're gonna need a bigger boat.

*grabs a beer and a chair*

Oh God Faye's face is fucking priiiiiiiceless last panel.

Hell yeah it is.   :-D

Mothers are supposed to be motherly; there's a reason that is a word, with the definition it does.

Yup, it's called 'being a stereotype.'  Individuals vary, and that includes those who happen to have spawned progeny.

...I also have a new Theory Which Shall Not Be Named.

I know what your theory is, and I hope you're wrong.   :wink:  In any event, we'll find out what the deal is when Jeph's good and ready to show us.

*shuts up; munches popcorn*
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 12 Jan 2011, 12:23
1) Veronica may not have (and probably doesn't) have any idea of Faye's self-esteem issues.  So, her comment isn't out of line without that knowledge

2) She's kinda right, all things considered.  Faye would just roll over Marten all the time, non-stop.  It would be a nightmare.  (Obviously not out of ill-intent, but just based on their respective personalities...)

3) I think if Veronica is as crafty as everyone is thinking...I think she's shaking things up on purpose.  Marten has a comfy little life, sure, but if she is being canny about all of this, she's shaking things up to get him out of his rut.  Make him focus on other things changing besides just the relationship. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: leahneedsanap on 12 Jan 2011, 12:25
Unless...Faye really isn't sure.  Right now, Marten functions as her emotional boyfriend, for lack of a better term.  Their friendship is basically Marten doing all the boyfriendly emotional things (being there for her when things go bad, etc etc), but with none of the physical aspects (except the occasional hugging).  Veronica may have picked up that while as Faye is dating Angus, Faye *needs* Marten.  As a mom, it's hard to see your boy struggling with being alone and lonely, when you realize his roommate / best friend is using him (perhaps in Veronica's eyes) as an emotional boyfriend. 

Really?  So a lady can only be emotionally close with a dude if they are a couple, otherwise she's "using" him?  Faye has become a significantly better friend to Marten over time.  She was a supportive sounding board over Dora moving in (which she would not have been supportive of if she was in some sort of "emotional monogamy" sort of mindset about him), stopped being bothered by them being affectionate in front of her, lets him sound off about things.  Sounds like the relationship I have with ALL of my closest friends, male or female.  Yeah, she punched him after the break-up--when he was drunkenly trying to assault her, which is pretty much what is going on when a someone lumbers at you acting entitled to your body when you are saying no.  She respected Marten's wishes by not raging on Dora.  Before the breakup, during the porn conversation that precipitated it, Faye was clearly joking around and was as shocked as Marten was when Dora took it too far, and then clearly felt bad she'd played a role.  Marten called her "pretty much my best friend," so he clearly sees there as being a reciprocated bond.  Yeah, Marten doesn't open up to her as much as she does to him, but he doesn't open up a whole lot to anyone--even his girlfriend. When Marten is having an existential question, he mostly keeps it to himself unless asked.  If Marten is getting "used" by Faye, then Sven gets "used" by Wil.

Then again, if you are just stating what you think Marten's mom is thinking, and though I would find it highly unlikely that a successful sex worker isn't able to see nuance when it comes to varying types of intimacy and relationships, it would still make my misogyny-rage misplaced, for which I apologize and offer you up a psyduck  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Jan 2011, 12:56
Then again, if you are just stating what you think Marten's mom is thinking, and though I would find it highly unlikely that a successful sex worker isn't able to see nuance when it comes to varying types of intimacy and relationships, it would still make my misogyny-rage misplaced, for which I apologize and offer you up a psyduck  :psyduck:

Thats what worries me. Veronica is/was supposedly one of the most successful fetish models and dominatrices in the world. By definition, a dominatrix is supposed to be able to read people, developing in their own way, skills similar to a psychologist or pyschiatrist, so they know how people work, what their limitations are and how far you can push them. Veronica should be able to read people, otherwise she wouldn't be as successful as she is now, so why is it she's going out of her way to humiliate her son, insult his best friend and comfort the one who dumped him? Is she blinded by the fact that Marten is her son? Or is she unable to quite seperate her dominatrix persona from her motherly one? Or is this some sort of roundabout plan to help Marten? How? By breaking his confidence and grinding it into nothing?

I said this last week, but I do feel the need to say it again, whatever Veronica has in mind, she is serious danger of damaging her own relationship with Marten.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blackjoker on 12 Jan 2011, 13:16
What is up with everyone having to have extreme reactions to everything?

My own mother is hilariously inept at being emotionally supportive... I know that and I'm sure if this is normal Ms. Reed mode for dealing with emotional support, then Marten already knows this about his mother, too. I don't hold it against her, and honestly, you can tell she is ACTUALLY TRYING, even if she is awful at it. She isn't being a malicious bitch, she is just badly being a supportive mother, there is a difference (also, I would say that... overall she might know better how to deal with Marten's emotional shell than we do, so there may be some method to her madness that we don't get)

And also. ITS FUNNY. Almost everything Ms Reed has said is hilarious. Did people forget this was a comic again? And that some things are exaggerated for humor? Same with Sven and his lack of internal monologue, and him getting thrown out of his own apartment.

Also, as for "that would have been a disaster" that wasn't a condemnation of Faye. It was a condemnation of Faye and Marten TOGETHER. Two people can be perfectly wonderful human beings, and be perfectly awful for each other.

My commentary was more because it wasn't funny. I would disagree that they would be 'terrible' but that wasn't my main source of angry reaction. Last week was my source of angry reaction, and while most of it was just quiet groan the 'apologize for standing up for yourself' was kind of a wallbanger.

@Carl-E I see that picture as a kind of wrestling poster for some reason "and in this corner, the Pugnacious Peach!"
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 12 Jan 2011, 13:28
Aye, that is intended to be seen from the aspect of Marten's mom, not as my own. (otherwise I'd have a lot of conversations to have with my female friends...)  

Marten's mom either (a) feels that Faye is the one for Marten, and knowing what she does about relationships, knows that if this is the case, the response from Faye will be very, very telling as to whether this is possible, or (b) genuinely believes Faye & Marten (can we assume that Marten talks to his mom on enough of a basis so that she has a vague idea of their relationship...though knowing Marten, he probably wouldn't bring up the entire "I want to date her but she doesn't want to date" aspect, seeing as Mom might come storming to see him afterward) are just friends, and doesn't think her comment should state anything but the obvious.  

Going further into Veronica's mind; if (a) is the case, then maybe she's trying to make Faye realize that the one she needs is really standing next to her all the time.  Plus, people in Faye's position can often assume they have someone like Marten in the bag (as long as he was single).  Hell, that's kinda Dora's big issue, she could never stop believing that Faye would always be a threat to them, and add in her general view of men (as scumbags), she believes that if Faye ever made a move on Marten, Marten would dump her for Faye.  Which, in my very newbie opinion, despite Marten's protestations to the contrary, would definitely screw with Marten, and he might actually do it, depending on how pissy Dora has been at the time and to what extent Faye would be willing to go to get him.    

Though the when Harry met Sally conversation that could spawn from this is an interesting one, and might actually be a good way to look at the Faye/Marten relationship as a whole for an alternate perspective.. (cliffs notes version for folks: the when Harry met Sally conversation is basically "can a guy and a girl just be friends successfully")  Also, it takes the entire "what's the difference between a really close friend and a significant other" conversation to a whole other place...but that's another can of worms.  

Though it does bring up a good point about Marten and Faye's relationship; would they be as close as they are without the romantic-y feelings they once had for each other?  Without the romantic feelings, Faye may never have initially opened up as to why she has issues, which deepened their relationship and is probably the sole reason it thrives after the shooting down of Marten.  

Though Faye's response to Marten's mom overall (all comments) makes me think she might believe that Marten and her didn't happen because she didn't want it to, not because maybe she wasn't right (or in her low self-esteem case, good enough) for him.  Basically, what it tells me about Faye is that even though she says they're just friends...there is more then "we're just friends" in her mind.  Veronica's remark took some of the garbage swept under the rug back out.   

I take your Psyduck and pet it on the head. :D  Also, I hug it, cuz it's adooooorable.  
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Mustakyy on 12 Jan 2011, 13:48
:-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o OH DAAAAMMNN! BURRRN!  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o




Hmm, Im having problems deciding was that simply "wrecking-ball blunt comment" or just pure sith evil..  :evil:

I think im going for the wreckingball-option, because I think Ms. Reed just doesn't know the gang THAT well to make such pinpoint precision strikes (even if she WANTED to?). But still, judging from the look at  Fayes face, that hit SOME kind of nerve. Which one, ill be damned if I know. So im not even gonna start to make any silly speculations. I think im just gonna see how the dust settles after the storm..


But while waiting....

I'll just relax over here on my little yacht, eat popcorn and watch the incoming shipping battles a few nautical miles away. Anybody else anticipating a shit storm incoming and wanting to watch from the sidelines, you're more than welcome to join me. Beer's in the fridge, extra chairs in the closet below deck.

Make room, ladies and gents, I aint missing this one..

*grabs a chair and a beer and joins the observer crowd*
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DJRubberducky on 12 Jan 2011, 13:49
I actually had a rather awful thought after reading this strip.

What if comforting Marten *isn't* the main reason for Veronica's visit?

What if she's also trying to distract herself from a traumatic event in her own life, taking her mind off her troubles by trying to focus on Marten's?

This speculation is what I'm clinging to for comfort as I see Ms. Reed go a little too far for my own comfort (but then again, I know that I would not do well in the BDSM scene, on either side of it, so I suppose that's not surprising).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 12 Jan 2011, 14:13
I actually had a rather awful thought after reading this strip.

What if comforting Marten *isn't* the main reason for Veronica's visit?

What if she's also trying to distract herself from a traumatic event in her own life, taking her mind off her troubles by trying to focus on Marten's?

This speculation is what I'm clinging to for comfort as I see Ms. Reed go a little too far for my own comfort (but then again, I know that I would not do well in the BDSM scene, on either side of it, so I suppose that's not surprising).

That would have been brought up by now, if anything.  Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think Veronica's just being a typical Mom, because let's be honest, a lot of people here see Veronica and are like "crap, that's totally what my Mom would say / do." 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Razgriz on 12 Jan 2011, 14:40
Yeah, she punched him after the break-up--when he was drunkenly trying to assault her, which is pretty much what is going on when a someone lumbers at you acting entitled to your body when you are saying no.

Please don't bring this up again.  It's been settled weeks ago and really looks like you're just trolling for reactions now.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: tomart on 12 Jan 2011, 14:58
Marten's mom either (a) feels that Faye is the one for Marten, and knowing what she does about relationships, knows that if this is the case, the response from Faye will be very, very telling as to whether this is possible, or (b) genuinely believes Faye & Marten ... are just friends, and doesn't think her comment should state anything but the obvious.  

 if (a) is the case, then maybe she's trying to make Faye realize that the one she needs is really standing next to her all the time.  Plus, people in Faye's position can often assume they have someone like Marten in the bag (as long as he was single).  Hell, that's kinda Dora's big issue, she could never stop believing that Faye would always be a threat to them, and add in her general view of men (as scumbags), she believes that if Faye ever made a move on Marten, Marten would dump her for Faye.  Which, ... despite Marten's protestations to the contrary, ... he might actually do it, depending on how pissy Dora has been at the time and to what extent Faye would be willing to go to get him.      

Good analysis, ...and further supporting my idea that Dora was maybe justified (in her mind, anyway) in ending a relationship that might have been doomed beyond my poor recognition...

Also, is it a coincidence that the only significant person missing from the poll (Faye) is the one V messes with?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 17:25
There's been a lot of speculation in the last few comments about Veronica's "motives", but I really don't think she has any.  What I think several people are missing is the simple fact that we often have blind spots about the people who are closest to us, when removed by a generation.  I had them about my parents (my wife was kind enough to open my eyes to many of them), and still have several about my own children.  Some of it comes from incrementalism - we don't notice the small day-to-day changes that happen right under our noses and then we're surprised by what seems a sudden development.  But the worst come about when a child leaves home - they go through a great deal of growth and change without being observed, and then are expected to still be the same person when they come home (or home comes to them). 

Veronica isn't being purposefully mean, nor is she working under some grander scheme to snap Marten out of it in some bizarre reverse-psychological hit-and-run.  She's just being the mom she always was, to the boy she used to have.  And we see a big part of who Marten's become in her treatment of him.  We also see one reason he was so willing to move cross-country at the drop of a hat.  It's the same reason my wife and I settled halfway between our parent's homes.  Each one is 500 miles away, in opposite directions - we can visit once a year or so, but no one drops by on a whim...

And Kazukagii, you're going to have more people on the yacht than there are other boats in the "shipping lanes"!  Hope there's plenty of beer in the cooler. 

Where's the bottle opener, anyway? 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 12 Jan 2011, 17:33
A point that I haven't seen brought up, is it is possible that Veronica is referencing as to what would have happened had Faye and Marten been involved and the present situation had exploded.

It would be (very likely) far far worse than the present situation, as--and I'd like to think that I'm reading the characters right--Faye had a goodly percentage of Marten-strings.  Now, just because Dora came along, those strings were by no means cut, simply redirected and the tension on them was slackened.  Had they been tightened, there would have been a far harder fall than what's going on right now.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 12 Jan 2011, 18:26
 Not exactly sure why everyone is treating V's relationship advice so seriously.

 This is from a woman who was so successful at her own relationship that she married a gay guy...  :lol:

 Advice about relationships are like buttholes....everyone's got one.

 -If the person giving you advice has been married/together for 10+yrs. You may want to consider it. They've got enough experience and wisdom to start seeing past most of the crap.

 -If the person giving you advice is giving you advice about what caused them to breakup/divorce. You may want to consider it. They've already screwed the pooch on this particular issue.

 -If the person giving you advice is none of these, then only consider it long enough to see if it makes sense and if it doesn't, don't bother about it. They are likely just talking out of their collective buttholes. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose or to be mean...but they almost certainly don't know enough about relationships (much less the intricacies of yours, which you'll never be able to tell them all the minute details anyway without taking several years to do it) to give good advice unless they hit the monkey on the keyboard just right by accident.  :psyduck:

 Cheers!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Jan 2011, 19:06
-If the person giving you advice has been married/together for 10+yrs. You may want to consider it. They've got enough experience and wisdom to start seeing past most of the crap.

 -If the person giving you advice is giving you advice about what caused them to breakup/divorce. You may want to consider it. They've already screwed the pooch on this particular issue.

 -If the person giving you advice is none of these, then only consider it long enough to see if it makes sense and if it doesn't, don't bother about it. They are likely just talking out of their collective buttholes. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose or to be mean...but they almost certainly don't know enough about relationships (much less the intricacies of yours, which you'll never be able to tell them all the minute details anyway without taking several years to do it) to give good advice unless they hit the monkey on the keyboard just right by accident.  :psyduck:

- In all fairness, Veronica and Henry were married for about 10 years before the divorce, that one kinda falls flat on its ass.

- Veronica and Henry divorced because of the fact Henry was gay, so unless Marten ended up following in his dad's footsteps, its two completely different issues, and thus any advice is next to useless in that context. It's like offering a hammer when what's needed is a screwdriver.

- This is about the only point I kinda agree with you with. Veronica is talking out of her own ass. From what I've gathered, Veronica really hasn't a romantic relationship since Henry and to be honest, I can't imagine it would have been that passionate. In fact, a lot of the evidence kinda points to Veronica having a lot of one night stands, pretty much the opposite of Marten and Henry. Pretty much any advice she gives is the same as when Sven tried to advise Wil about Penny and comparing it to teaching a Bedouin how to sail.

And the longer this story arc goes on, the more I wish Henry and Maurice were the ones in town again.....
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: PenSwordAccord on 12 Jan 2011, 20:00
I will tell you why I am worried about this arc, and, yes,  I know that Jeph is highly unlikely to do anything like this.  This whole arc reminds me most uncomfortably of Turtledove's "World War" series and the Sam/Barbara/Jens storyline.  Not in the details, obviously, but in the general line of a guy getting dumped for no good/valid reason and everyone in his world supporting the cheating/dumping lady and crapping on the faithful guy.  The results were not pretty, and completely turned me off of reading any more of Turtledove's books.  I have to keep reminding myself to "trust in the author, Luke". 

Lee

pen & sword, in accord.
What is the sound of one hand clapping, anyway?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DonInKansas on 12 Jan 2011, 20:00

I said this last week, but I do feel the need to say it again, whatever Veronica has in mind, she is serious danger of damaging her own relationship with Marten.

Either that or she's craftily trying to force him to sack up, blow his top, and shake him out of his stupor.  She's not stupid enough (and doesn't hate Marten enough) to just take cracks without a plan involved.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jan 2011, 20:37
In 447, Ms. Reed was downright humble about whether she'd be able to offer good advice given her relationship track record.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: rje on 12 Jan 2011, 21:10
Neh I stopped thinking awhile bad there's method in the madness. Veronica's just kinda being a sucky mom. Is that a bit disappointing since she kind of came off like Super Awesome Mom at first glance before? Yeah. Is it realistic? Oh hell yeah. I know plenty of people who have moms who aren't terrible, but they're just kind of...sucky. They might be judgmental, or overbearing, or kind of anal retentive, or prone to dismiss their children's opinions, complaints, or issues, but they still love their children very much, and are great in other ways.

So I'm not all GRR THAT WOMAN but I'd love to see - as part of the arc I ~hope~ Marten starts on, where he begins to take active control of his life, instead of being a passive observer - that he talks to her about her lack of real understanding. Or maybe Faye will!

Also today's comic made me lol, such a poke in the eye to the shippers (too bad that one dude left, I kinda wanted to hear his take on it, fufufu.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Bologna on 12 Jan 2011, 21:16
I really don't think Veronica has any sort of ulterior motive.  I don't think she realizes that she's coming across as insensitive.  I really didn't like what she was doing before, but for some reason I don't mind it as much anymore.  This is just who she is.  I don't think that Marten really expected her to swoop in and save the day, anyways.  Just a good ol' visit from mommy dearest.  


I do want to get the ball rolling on seeing what everyone else is doing.  Hanners, Marbear, Dora, Fayngus, etc. etc..  Let's get to that!  
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: charybdis on 12 Jan 2011, 22:05
/climbs aboard yacht

I brought more beer. And some margarita fixin's. Pass the popcorn.

/attempts to find a free chair, gives up and sits on deck
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jan 2011, 22:42
Umm....

How many people does this tub hold, anyway? 

And where are the lifejackets?

 :angel:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 13 Jan 2011, 00:06
Pah! Lifejackets aren't necessary, this thing is unsinkable!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Skewbrow on 13 Jan 2011, 00:16
Passes a cup of chili flavored roasted peanuts around. Anyone? Clears some space in the lifeboat and sits down. Better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 13 Jan 2011, 00:26
Are we going on a voyage of some kind, or are we just gonna sit in the boat at the dock and drink beer?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Tergon on 13 Jan 2011, 00:42
Carefully avoiding the inevitable and predictable battle in the shipping lanes...

I just want to point out that Jeph nailed the artwork in this comic.  The expressions are excellent, and oddly enough the part that struck me most was Faye's lips.  Great emoting with each little smile, and then the surprised "Huh?" at the end... it's one part of facial expressions that has evolved, much like everything else in the artwork, but I thought this strip was really quite good.


In closing, I vote for sitting on the dock drinking beer.  Especially if there's a kebab shop nearby, though I will settle for fish and chips.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jan 2011, 00:48
This is from a woman who was so successful at her own relationship that she married a gay guy...  :lol:

People don't come with labels, and don't necessarily know their own mind fully.  I have seen the fall-out from a similar breakup (reverse the sexes, and factor in three children), and it was not something to laugh about - so I'd suggest you don't in future. 

(That's friendly advice, not a moderator comment)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Olymander on 13 Jan 2011, 00:59
Then again, if you are just stating what you think Marten's mom is thinking, and though I would find it highly unlikely that a successful sex worker isn't able to see nuance when it comes to varying types of intimacy and relationships, it would still make my misogyny-rage misplaced, for which I apologize and offer you up a psyduck  :psyduck:

Thats what worries me. Veronica is/was supposedly one of the most successful fetish models and dominatrices in the world. By definition, a dominatrix is supposed to be able to read people, developing in their own way, skills similar to a psychologist or pyschiatrist, so they know how people work, what their limitations are and how far you can push them. Veronica should be able to read people, otherwise she wouldn't be as successful as she is now, so why is it she's going out of her way to humiliate her son, insult his best friend and comfort the one who dumped him? Is she blinded by the fact that Marten is her son? Or is she unable to quite seperate her dominatrix persona from her motherly one? Or is this some sort of roundabout plan to help Marten? How? By breaking his confidence and grinding it into nothing?

I said this last week, but I do feel the need to say it again, whatever Veronica has in mind, she is serious danger of damaging her own relationship with Marten.

I think that if Mrs. Reed could separate herself from being Marten's mother, and was actually "working" (so to speak), then she might (read: probably would) be able to tell.  The thing is, she's not working.  She's on "vacation".  I don't know much about the "scene", but I've gotten the distinct impression that they make a very, very, clear difference between being "in scene" and being out.  I think this is related to how she's been being very direct with what's on her mind; she's relaxed and not working, and thus all the "control" that she needs for her job, she's dropped for the time being.  So in this respect, she's actually completely separated her dominatrix persona from her motherly one, in that if she was in her dominatrix persona (and thus working), she'd be paying more attention to what's going on.  Theoretically, anyway.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ysth on 13 Jan 2011, 01:03
'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
And when justice is gone, there's always force.
And when force is gone, there's always Mom ("Hi, Mom!").
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 13 Jan 2011, 01:13
OK, so Marten should call Dad?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 13 Jan 2011, 01:26
Certainly, if only to let him know they'll need another flower girl.


Edit:

Wait, are Marten and his mom getting coffee at a :gasp: Starbucks?!?!?!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 13 Jan 2011, 01:31
OK, so Marten should call Dad?

No. No, fuck that idea. In fact, I really should have called westrim out on this yesterday and it is starting to bother me that people don't get it.

What would Henry say that's any different? He's busy being in love and getting ready to get married! Hell, he'd be worse to have around; at least Veronica is focusing all her attention on Marty, not mooning over somebody and then looking back all "oh, sorry son."

Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.

Or do people just want someone to come and punch Dora? Is that what this is? Not to be paranoid but I noticed that the time Ms. Reed's popularity really started dropping was when it became clear she wasn't going to fuck Dora up. Is...Are we that bad, guys? Tell me we aren't.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 13 Jan 2011, 01:43
Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.

So you concede that people can be around to help Marten through this.

But are you also willing to concede that Veronica's been about as helpful as a kevlar vest against a tactical nuke? Repeated embarassments, dressing him down in front of his friends, that "You'dve been HORRIBLE for my boy" to Faye...........you asked if people wanted Dora punched, and I'm sure I can speak for several readers in this comic when I say, there is a woman in this comic we want to see hit in the mouth, and it ain't Dora.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 13 Jan 2011, 02:09
Sure. Veronica has fucking sucked at cheering him up. When she all but said so in today's comic, there's not a lot there to admit.

I think she's really funny and charming regardless, and I've enjoyed her time in town. As to the list of grievances, I got over being embarrassed by my mother as a source of major emotional trauma when I was done being thirteen years old and presumably so did Marten, the dressing down was a little fucked up but hey, and she was completely right about what she said to Faye (sorry OTP crew).

I think if you want to punch V in the mouth for her arc here it says more about you than her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pendrake on 13 Jan 2011, 02:20
Playing catch-up again with QC... How you people manage to post on every (or nearly every) strip makes me wish I had more time not spent working, husbanding, parenting, and trying not to accidentally (or purposefully) unleash Cthulhu or the zombie apocalypse.


1. It did make me sad to read strip Number 1838 and Jeph's comments, but nor was it anything particularly shocking either :cry: .


For #1839...

2. Artwork-wise, I really like strip Number 1839, panels 3 & 4 really show Marten's features from his mother's side.  Like strip Number 1519 (panel 4) (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1519) showed from between Marten and his father.

3. For Marten's feelings of relief and guilt over The Break-Up:  Generally speaking, if you do have a strong &/or solid sense of relief, it probably does made you did the correct (if not "right") decision, regardless of any guilt :| .

4. Marten and Miss Reed talking about Dora as much as the break-up, I get a feeling Marten may be tentatively walking into Coffee of Doom to hang around the many girls he is fond of and bonded with once again, relatively soon (thinking by the end of January 2011).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Swedish Chef on 13 Jan 2011, 02:37
OK, so Marten should call Dad?

No. No, fuck that idea. In fact, I really should have called westrim out on this yesterday and it is starting to bother me that people don't get it.

What would Henry say that's any different? He's busy being in love and getting ready to get married! Hell, he'd be worse to have around; at least Veronica is focusing all her attention on Marty, not mooning over somebody and then looking back all "oh, sorry son."

Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.

Or do people just want someone to come and punch Dora? Is that what this is? Not to be paranoid but I noticed that the time Ms. Reed's popularity really started dropping was when it became clear she wasn't going to fuck Dora up. Is...Are we that bad, guys? Tell me we aren't.)


It would be a good idea to call him, there is a lot less luggage between te two involved and Henry can offer a reasonable, removed, viewpoint.

But granted, nobody can sort it out for Marten but Marten himself.

...
Marten dark grey hood makes him loks like a young Padawan.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: shlominus on 13 Jan 2011, 03:05
econtent.net/view.php?comic=1519]
3. For Marten's feelings of relief and guilt over The Break-Up:  Generally speaking, if you do have a strong &/or solid sense of relief, it probably does made you did the correct (if not "right") decision, regardless of any guilt :| .

this.

nevertheless i still think dora and marten might get together again. i don't understand why this possibility hasn't been brought up yet (maybe it has, but i don't read the whole forum.) it wouldn't be that unusual.

ps: i love the portrayal of a disfunctional mother/son relationship. poor marten...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: rje on 13 Jan 2011, 03:11
Hey I was right! She does just suck at this. xD
You can kind of tell when even the moment she tried a supportive speech it fell into trite cliche'. She just doesn't know what she's doing ~ aw now I kinda feel sorry for her.

I understand why Marten didn't want her coming even more now. I wonder if he got the same sort of '::shrug:: idk...it sure sucks?' thing when his college girlfriend dumped him.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 13 Jan 2011, 03:29
Well to be fair, that trite cliché isn't exactly wrong! I mean, sometimes that relief is honestly good, and sometimes it's bad! Who knows? Only Marty.

And if you mean where she said that even though he and Dora didn't work out, things are going to turn out okay: well, that's pretty true too!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 13 Jan 2011, 03:36

nevertheless i still think dora and marten might get together again. i don't understand why this possibility hasn't been brought up yet (maybe it has, but i don't read the whole forum.) it wouldn't be that unusual.


I think the lack of discussion would be down to a shortage of timeline and being at a risk of shipping. I think you're right though, the possibility exists, but the odds are largely dependant on the two of them getting through the post break up meeting without burning bridges.

Still waiting to see if Jeph is going to sneak in a Vaccines reference. They've been on high rotation on XFM and it always makes me think of QC when it comes on (all of my friends are boring fuckers in stable relationships, I need more psychos in my clique).
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Jan 2011, 07:08
Who else can Veronica tick off while she's here?

Jimbo.    - 4 (3.7%)
Steve.    - 4 (3.7%)
Marigold.    - 11 (10.1%)
Dale.    - 1 (0.9%)
Winslow.    - 6 (5.5%)
Cosette.    - 2 (1.8%)
Penelope.    - 8 (7.3%)
Wil.    - 1 (0.9%)
Sven.    - 10 (9.2%)
Everyone.    - 62 (56.9%) (Assuming, of course, that "Everyone" would be "Everyone in the forums".)

Total Voters: 109
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Smoot on 13 Jan 2011, 07:25
Something puzzles me about today's comic, and there's no other way to put it, so I'm just gonna come out with it:
When Marten says 'do you think we did the right thing', and Veronica talks about the 'right decision'... when did Marten 'do' or 'decide' anything about this situation? What action or decision did he make? Dora broke up with him.  There wasn't any 'mutuality' about it. There's no "we" to it, or am I totally wrong?

Unless we're meant to take his losing his temper once in the entire run of the comic as him actually making a decision to 'make' Dora break up with him?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: kent_eh on 13 Jan 2011, 07:42
Also, it appears that Marten is pretty much immune to parental TMI bombs.

But I guess he kinda has to be, otherwise he'd be Dr Corrine's most lucrative patient.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jan 2011, 07:52
'do you think we did the right thing'

They  are broken up, even if only one made the actual decision.  I suppose you could also say that he accepted it - though whatever he felt about it, he couldn't choose to stay un-broken-up when she had broken with him!  But essentially, there isn't any other way for him to express it idiomatically - he's hardly likely to ask his mum "do you think she did the right thing breaking up with me?", is he.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odal on 13 Jan 2011, 07:56
Something puzzles me about today's comic, and there's no other way to put it, so I'm just gonna come out with it:
When Marten says 'do you think we did the right thing', and Veronica talks about the 'right decision'... when did Marten 'do' or 'decide' anything about this situation? What action or decision did he make? Dora broke up with him.  There wasn't any 'mutuality' about it. There's no "we" to it, or am I totally wrong?

Unless we're meant to take his losing his temper once in the entire run of the comic as him actually making a decision to 'make' Dora break up with him?
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1800

As for the comic, I think Veronica has been doing the right things, but the only thing left for her to do is to listen to Marten.  She can't really take sides or anything, but she can listen.  And that's what's starting to happen, I think.  Hopefully Marten does go through a few strips of really expressing himself as he needs to.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 13 Jan 2011, 08:15
Actually, there was a fair bit of discussion over the last few weeks about what cold have gone differently in the break up.  In particular, Marten could have told Dora that he'd stay with her and see her through getting help with her insecurities, essentially "fixing" their relationship. 

While it probably wouldn't have worked, he decided  not to.  In fact, knowing the type of person he is, he may have even tried after that deer-in-the-headlights moment of 1799, but was reasoned out of it by Dora.  We'll never know for sure. 

And yes, Veronica is doing the best thing right now that any parent can do.  Because it's his  life. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Blyss on 13 Jan 2011, 08:45
Yep, Marten has to deal with it himself - not much to that debate.  It's his life, his experiences.

And yeah, I'm ready to see things from Dora's perspective as well.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Hinotori on 13 Jan 2011, 08:46
Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.

Or do people just want someone to come and punch Dora? Is that what this is? Not to be paranoid but I noticed that the time Ms. Reed's popularity really started dropping was when it became clear she wasn't going to fuck Dora up. Is...Are we that bad, guys? Tell me we aren't.)


I registered, logged in, and delurked just to tell you how much I love you for posting this.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 13 Jan 2011, 09:04
Good, he needs it. 

What?  Don't we all? 
Title: DAMN THE ICEBURG TORPEDOES FULL SPEED ASTERN!
Post by: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 13 Jan 2011, 09:11
Pah! Lifejackets aren't necessary, this thing is unsinkable!

I'll alert the Coast Guard.   
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: azurite on 13 Jan 2011, 09:17
Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.

THANK YOU.  :-D

Was she going to come in and take over his life, putting his ex's lights out, getting his career path on track, establishing some better boundaries in his still impressively convoluted relationship with Faye, finding him a new honey, maybe catching up on his laundry and darning his socks? THAT would've been irresponsible mothering, and really annoying, besides. He's an adult. He can darn his own socks. And he can deal with his own heartbreak, too.

Of course, at no point IN THE ACTUAL STRIP did I get a sense that she was coming to visit Marten to become the co-dependent fixer of his life. Marten didn't seem to be operating under that assumption, either, unless I missed a few panels. This latest strip, he's actually starting to talk about the breakup in constructive language, too, which I think might be evidence of what his mother's visit has done for him. Her going to CoD was actually very smart--it gave Marten an opportunity to see Dora vicariously and opened the topic for conversation in a different way. It also kept Dora human, avoiding that particular brand of drama some breakups take on: "s/he whose name can not be spoke, the hell creature that lives across town."

I'm puzzled as to why so many posters think Veronica is being a terrible mother. She's listening, keeping a healthy distance, trying to give him some perspective and probably adding a few years onto the longevity of his liver by distracting him from multiple rounds of binge drinking, besides. Micromanaging him or his situation would be way more damaging right now.

I've enjoyed this storyline and seeing Veronica again, too.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 13 Jan 2011, 09:36
I went to sleep early so I missed everything said since and before this comic was posted, but my impression is hell, it's about time. They're finally acting like something happened in his life, not ooh, mom's visiting and embarrassing him and wacky hijinks hyuk hyuk hyuk. The aforementioned hijinks still haven't been addressed, but hey, if the writer and characters want to ignore them (aside from bringing up the Dora visit), I will. Also, why is hijinks not in Firefox's spell check?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: steveb on 13 Jan 2011, 10:09


Nobody can fix this for Marten. That is not how real life works. If you want to laud QC for realism you have to accept this too: welcome to the world of dealing with your own heartbreak. People can be there for hugs and sympathy and embarrassment and all that, but no one is going to wave a magic wand and fix this.



Absolutely right! I'm so glad you said that.

Actually I think Marten IS starting to deal with this. Asking how Dora was doing rather than asking what she said is a good sign in my book. Describing the break-up as something they did jointly is also good.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 13 Jan 2011, 10:43
Always a hard thing to admit as a parent that you don't have all the answers - or that the ones you do have may not be the best.

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: rje on 13 Jan 2011, 10:53
Well to be fair, that trite cliché isn't exactly wrong! I mean, sometimes that relief is honestly good, and sometimes it's bad! Who knows? Only Marty.
And if you mean where she said that even though he and Dora didn't work out, things are going to turn out okay: well, that's pretty true too!
Yea...but they're so true everyone knows them. I mean really, honestly, if there's anything we all know about life is that it keeps going on. And sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, and time heals all wounds, and generally everything works out in the end, or at least something else comes up to take it's place. We don't want to hear that sometimes that cos it doesn't feel like it at all, but we do know it. Maybe trite isn't the word I was looking for (I meant something that meant more 'commonplace knowledge, no extra insight.)

I was just commenting upon the fact that Veronica doesn't have any concrete advice or insight to give Marten, and it's just because she doesn't have any. I didn't say that was bad! When I said 'sucky' I didn't mean 'sucky mother' as in 'someone call CPS' I just meant she's sucky at knowing what to say/to to give him some clarity. My mother was awesome at it, because she spent a lot of time talking to me in depth, analyzing things with me, including my own reactions and emotions and sometimes even opening my eyes to things I was doing/thinking and didn't realize. But some people aren't good at that. It's not a bad thing, it's just a realistic thing.

I still think the majority of her behavior in the last few comics is inappropriate. But it's all good ~
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jan 2011, 10:54
If Marten salvages a friendship with Dora, it will be the first time he's managed it with an ex. 755, and look how he practically hid from Vicky. He could have a growth opportunity, or he could take the easy way out and dismiss her as "crazy".
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Insectile on 13 Jan 2011, 11:28
I think Faye might to go out with Marten to prove a point to his mum
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 13 Jan 2011, 11:39
I think Faye might to go out with Marten to prove a point to his mum

Yeah...I get the feeling between her insecurities about Angus, the "Marten" option now being thrust into view (Marten is single, so now she has to confront it mentally somewhat), and Veronica's jarring comment...as well as Faye's sometimes immature attitude...oh yeah, I can see this happening. 

Basically, something like this happens...?

1) Marten starts doing his own thing, and starts feeling / being more confident as time goes on, and becoming perhaps even more empathic / nicer then before
2) Faye doesn't forget what happened the fifth of bourbon night, nor what Veronica said
3) Faye maybe mentions something about this new Marten...which puts Angus back in the same position Dora was in
4) Angus & Faye have a blow up
5) Faye goes on a date with Marten to prove Veronica wrong, or she talks to Marten about it, Marten goes WTF??, Faye gets super angry at the unexpected rejection (due to the bourbon night perhaps making her think Marten really still wanted her), and things blow up.

Marten & Dora ending their relationship could cause Angus to feel threatened the same way Dora did...oooh boy. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Jan 2011, 11:52
@Cybit - Nah, I don't see Angus getting insecure as easily as  Dora. Angus has always shown himself to be extremely confident. Too much so, some would argue.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jan 2011, 12:11
Marten is single, so now she has to confront it mentally somewhat
Or simply remember that the change no longer affects her.

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which puts Angus back in the same position Dora was in
No, because Dora's position came from inside herself; Angus is, as far as we know, different.

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the bourbon night perhaps making her think Marten really still wanted her
It's pretty clear that her reaction to the bourbon was more understanding than that, and there's no reason for her mind to lose that clarity in the cold light of day.

----------------

It'll take better arguments than these to convince me that this idea is not heading down the shipping route...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 13 Jan 2011, 12:24
I still think the majority of her behavior in the last few comics is inappropriate.

MY POINT.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jan 2011, 12:40
I took the hair-tousle to mean that Pugnacious Peach has moved on emotionally.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: steveb on 13 Jan 2011, 12:47
If Marten salvages a friendship with Dora, it will be the first time he's managed it with an ex. 755, and look how he practically hid from Vicky. He could have a growth opportunity, or he could take the easy way out and dismiss her as "crazy".

From todays comic I think he is going to salvage the friendship (as long as Dora lets him).
He is expressing concern for her in asking how she was doing rather than thinking only of himself.
He is presenting the breakup as a joint action not as a "crazy" girlfriend dumping him.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Cybit on 13 Jan 2011, 12:56
Eh, that was just my opinion of how it could break down.  All of your guys' points are true, but two things

1) This is expecting a whole lot of maturity out of Faye, not all of which is necessarily earned. 
2) Regarding Angus: Usually guys who come off too confident are the most insecure of them all. 

People may be one way 90+% of the time, but it's the other 10% of the time that usually blows things up.  Jeph's been really good about showing that although people have personalities, sometimes they go against their "typical" personality, and show more depth.  (Faye not obliterating Dora, for one)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jan 2011, 12:57
And the circle is now complete.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: maddness on 13 Jan 2011, 13:15
Eh, that was just my opinion of how it could break down.  All of your guys' points are true, but two things

1) This is expecting a whole lot of maturity out of Faye, not all of which is necessarily earned.  
2) Regarding Angus: Usually guys who come off too confident are the most insecure of them all.  

People may be one way 90+% of the time, but it's the other 10% of the time that usually blows things up.  Jeph's been really good about showing that although people have personalities, sometimes they go against their "typical" personality, and show more depth.  (Faye not obliterating Dora, for one)

Actually, Faye has been acting quite a bit more mature since the whole "break up" with Sven. She's been handling her interpersonal relationships a whole lot better than she used to. As for Angus, I don't know about him being too confident, but I don't see him as the type to sit around and stew when something makes him feel insecure. He seems to me to be the sort of guy who would ask outright about anything that might be concerning him. He reads as a bull-by-the-horns type to me.

Edit:  Also, since they just got together, I'd like to see the relationship develop more before there are any im/explosions.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 13 Jan 2011, 14:36
I took the hair-tousle to mean that Pugnacious Peach has moved on emotionally.

Yes, we're doing this?  This is a thing now?

Because PP makes for fantastic initials.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Jan 2011, 14:46
Because PP makes for fantastic initials.

Or unfortunate initials, depending on your prespective...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 13 Jan 2011, 14:55
Marten's Mum understands her limitations! How cool is that?

Or do people just want someone to come and punch Dora? Is that what this is? Not to be paranoid but I noticed that the time Ms. Reed's popularity really started dropping was when it became clear she wasn't going to fuck Dora up. Is...Are we that bad, guys? Tell me we aren't.)
Yeah, actually I think we are, or at least a sizeable sub-set is. Certainly the "a real man is an angry man" crowd.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 13 Jan 2011, 15:13
Because PP makes for fantastic initials.

Or unfortunate initials, depending on your prespective...

Valid point. In that "You and Marten would've been a nightmare" pane, Faye did look a little flushed.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jan 2011, 15:58
Give her a moment for it to sink in and she'll be pissed.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 13 Jan 2011, 16:17
I think that even though Faye is aware that Veronica is probably right, and had almost certainly come to that conclusion herself, it's incredibly rude of Veronica to say so, especially in those terms.

V's got some serious hypocrisy going regarding being rude to people. And it does explain a lot about Marten that he's unable to even confront her about it.

Anyway, I'd say Marten really should talk to his dad. They have a lot more in common, personality wise, and his dad at least is TRYING to find 'the one', and I think Marten would appreciate a bit less jaded and biased perspective.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: seaflower on 13 Jan 2011, 16:21
 I just want to say that I never been a big Marten fan. He is far too passive about his relationships and merely takes what comes along. To be fair to Dora, I think it took great strength for her to admit that how she hooked up with Marten wasn't ideal and she made a mistake by not waiting. He was obsessed about Faye for ages, it doesn't work out and he quickly gets together with Dora? Of course there would be consequences for these actions.
Their relationship always felt unstable to me because of how it was set up. Dora has issues and is a bit screwed up but I love the fact that she doesn't shrink away from what happened and broke up something that was rotting away from the core.
First Marten is annoyed and upset by Dora breaking up with him and now he is slightly relieved....he is such a passive wank!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 13 Jan 2011, 17:24
I took the hair-tousle to mean that Pugnacious Peach has moved on emotionally.

Yes, we're doing this?  This is a thing now?

Because PP makes for fantastic initials.

You have to say it like a Boxing announcer,

To wit:

I this corner, weighing in at One hundred and *mumble-mumble* pounds, from Savannah Georgia,

The Pugnacious Peach,

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaye

Whitakrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Jan 2011, 17:35
My thought was more if you added 4 e's to the initals.  :-P
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: parvles on 13 Jan 2011, 17:42
Veronica was rude to Faye. Even if what she said is true (and I think it is), it's totally not ok for her to say that. Remember again, Veronica does not really know Faye. People I have been interested in in the past or ex-boyfriends I have remained friends with are sensitive for me sometimes, not because I am still interested in them, but because we have a relationship that is more complicated and involved than other people would necessarily understand. If someone told me that "oh yeah, i never saw you guys working out. you would have been awful," I would be really offended. Especially if that person did not really know me. Maybe it's true, but it's not someone else's place to tell me that in harsh language with no regard to the fact that there WAS something there.

I don't think people dislike Veronica's visit because she didn't punch Dora, but because she rushed all the way over to "help" Marten, and then did nothing to help him. I never really liked the Dora/Marten match, but that had a lot to do with how their relationship started, (which was always more an issue with Marten than Dora for me), but that doesn't mean I dislike Dora herself. I think she is fine. I don't have any desire to see her hurt or anything like that. I dislike Veronica's actions because she is supposed to be there for Marten and she isn't.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 13 Jan 2011, 18:39
I don't think people dislike Veronica's visit because she didn't punch Dora, but because she rushed all the way over to "help" Marten, and then did nothing to help him. [ ] I dislike Veronica's actions because she is supposed to be there for Marten and she isn't.

I think quite a few people here would echo that sentiment.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 13 Jan 2011, 19:07
Faye could totally be a boxer. Seriously.


In fact that would make for quite an entertaining story arc.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jan 2011, 19:41
I took the hair-tousle to mean that Pugnacious Peach has moved on emotionally.

Yes, we're doing this?  This is a thing now?

Because PP makes for fantastic initials.

You have to say it like a Boxing announcer,

To wit:

I this corner, weighing in at One hundred and *mumble-mumble* pounds, from Savannah Georgia,

The Pugnacious Peach,

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaye

Whitakrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre!

Cue Michael Buffer.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 13 Jan 2011, 19:51
Faye could totally be a boxer. Seriously.
Given her propensity for throws (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=363) and holds (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1718) as well as punches, MMA might be more her speed.

Ever since someone in another thread mentioned a QC fighting-game, I've been unable to shake off the image of Faye as Chun Li (it is probably just as well that I can't draw), but the fighting style is all wrong.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 13 Jan 2011, 20:41
-If the person giving you advice has been married/together for 10+yrs. You may want to consider it. They've got enough experience and wisdom to start seeing past most of the crap.

 -If the person giving you advice is giving you advice about what caused them to breakup/divorce. You may want to consider it. They've already screwed the pooch on this particular issue.

 -If the person giving you advice is none of these, then only consider it long enough to see if it makes sense and if it doesn't, don't bother about it. They are likely just talking out of their collective buttholes. I'm not saying they're doing it on purpose or to be mean...but they almost certainly don't know enough about relationships (much less the intricacies of yours, which you'll never be able to tell them all the minute details anyway without taking several years to do it) to give good advice unless they hit the monkey on the keyboard just right by accident.  :psyduck:

- In all fairness, Veronica and Henry were married for about 10 years before the divorce, that one kinda falls flat on its ass.

- Veronica and Henry divorced because of the fact Henry was gay, so unless Marten ended up following in his dad's footsteps, its two completely different issues, and thus any advice is next to useless in that context. It's like offering a hammer when what's needed is a screwdriver.

- This is about the only point I kinda agree with you with. Veronica is talking out of her own ass. From what I've gathered, Veronica really hasn't a romantic relationship since Henry and to be honest, I can't imagine it would have been that passionate. In fact, a lot of the evidence kinda points to Veronica having a lot of one night stands, pretty much the opposite of Marten and Henry. Pretty much any advice she gives is the same as when Sven tried to advise Wil about Penny and comparing it to teaching a Bedouin how to sail.

And the longer this story arc goes on, the more I wish Henry and Maurice were the ones in town again.....

 Sorry, my implication on the first one didn't come through... "If they are *still* married/together and it's been 10+ years."  I don't count Veronica on the 10+yrs thing b/c she's not still married. The idea behind that one is that you'd be talking to someone who's seen quite a bit as they've gone down the road and since they are still successful at it, could potentially offer you wisdom.

  It's not a guarantee, of course. That person could be a complete moron despite being with someone for 10yrs, but the odds at that point are...you're likely talking to someone who's got something worth knowing.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 13 Jan 2011, 20:45
This is from a woman who was so successful at her own relationship that she married a gay guy...  :lol:

People don't come with labels, and don't necessarily know their own mind fully.  I have seen the fall-out from a similar breakup (reverse the sexes, and factor in three children), and it was not something to laugh about - so I'd suggest you don't in future. 

(That's friendly advice, not a moderator comment)

 ...This is a comic character.

 I have no issue with laughing at this predicament, especially given the wharrgrbl that has been going on in this thread. It's levity, that's all.

/you have to learn to laugh at life, even when it sucks
//something I've learned the hard way.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 13 Jan 2011, 20:52
I took the hair-tousle to mean that Pugnacious Peach has moved on emotionally.

Yes, we're doing this?  This is a thing now?

Because PP makes for fantastic initials.

You have to say it like a Boxing announcer,

To wit:

I this corner, weighing in at One hundred and *mumble-mumble* pounds, from Savannah Georgia,

The Pugnacious Peach,

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaye

Whitakrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre!

 That was awesome! lol!

/totally heard that in my head.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cuzsis on 13 Jan 2011, 21:02
This is from a woman who was so successful at her own relationship that she married a gay guy...  :lol:

People don't come with labels, and don't necessarily know their own mind fully.  I have seen the fall-out from a similar breakup (reverse the sexes, and factor in three children), and it was not something to laugh about - so I'd suggest you don't in future. 

(That's friendly advice, not a moderator comment)

 ...This is a comic character. That's all I view it as.

 I have no issue with laughing at this predicament, especially given the wharrgrbl that has been going on in this thread. It's levity, that's all. (I'm a bit bemused since it also ended up being the punch line of today's strip too.)

 As for real life. I have learned that you have to be able to laugh at it, even when it sucks. Definitely something I had to learn the hard way, but I'm much happier for knowing it now (and yes, I'll laugh at my own expense as much as anything.)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 13 Jan 2011, 21:19
Ever since someone in another thread mentioned a QC fighting-game, I've been unable to shake off the image of Faye as Chun Li (it is probably just as well that I can't draw), but the fighting style is all wrong.

Oh geez, now I've got the mental image in my head and it won't go away.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Sorflakne on 13 Jan 2011, 23:57
Ever since someone in another thread mentioned a QC fighting-game, I've been unable to shake off the image of Faye as Chun Li (it is probably just as well that I can't draw), but the fighting style is all wrong.
I had to think for a second about the name, and then I remembered who she is.

Way back in high school many years ago, (ok it was 2002) a few friends and I were playing an old SNES one night.  Street Fighter II happened to be the game of the moment, and while fighting Chun Li, my cousin all of a sudden yells out of nowhere, "God dammit she's doing the spinning birdshit kick again!"  Best part was, none of us had been drinking, which made it even funnier.  Needless to say, "spinning birdshit kick" became the catchphrase for the night whenever something went horribly wrong or a character died.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 00:30
...This is a comic character. That's all I view it as.

It's supposed to mirror life, so (within reason) it's prudent to apply the same standards to how you view it; what you say reflects who you are.  For instance, if you made a racist comment about the comic, I would pull you up on it.

Quote
As for real life. I have learned that you have to be able to laugh at it, even when it sucks.

You laugh at your own life, not at other people's.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Jan 2011, 00:33
Good god Veronica sure does like her casual sex (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434), doesn't she?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2011, 00:43
So now it's official that Marten isn't into casual. Everything pointed that way already but now we have confirmation from on high.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DSL on 14 Jan 2011, 00:46
Good god Veronica sure does like her casual sex (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434), doesn't she?
Keeps her young, I'd imagine. That, and Jeph not "inking" in the smile lines.
Hope we find out soon how the Peach is doing.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 14 Jan 2011, 00:49
I'm very surprised that Pintsize is winning ... if Marten's Mom knows anything about Pintsize at all, she surely knows he will have her complete collection.

So its kinda hard to evade that knowledge. :-D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cesariojpn on 14 Jan 2011, 01:06
I don't like this. Veronica causes alot of confusion and mayhem, and it's all wrapped up by her just casually leaving?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 01:11
She comes; she's a bit insensitive pretty much the whole time; she goes.  What's unexpected about that?  Any confusion and mayhem was more here than in the comic.

And she's going on to see someone else - perhaps the flying visit was not solely to see Marten, but was piggy-backed on another thing she was planning to do sometime in any case.

So, next week we'll start to get the gang's own reactions to all this at last.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 14 Jan 2011, 01:16
Good god Veronica sure does like her casual sex (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434), doesn't she?
It certainly seems so. That strip you linked is the one in which Faye uses the odd expression "Colder than a penguin's third nipple". When I first read it, I immediately thought: "Penguins don't have nipples, so the 'third nipple' would be the only one." So "Colder than a penguin's arse", pehaps? Yes, I do have a rather analytical personality, why do you ask?
I don't like this. Veronica causes a lot of confusion and mayhem, and it's all wrapped up by her just casually leaving?
It seems perfectly in keeping with her character to me. Blow in, tease Marten, chat to the ladies in his life, blow out. Nobody said she was supposed to be a role model. Except, like, half this forum, I guess...  :-D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2011, 01:24
Argh. Now I had to go and look up how penguins feed their young.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 14 Jan 2011, 01:58
Tip: Penguins are birds. :)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 02:04
...This is a comic character. That's all I view it as.

It's supposed to mirror life, so (within reason) it's prudent to apply the same standards to how you view it; what you say reflects who you are.  For instance, if you made a racist comment about the comic, I would pull you up on it.

Quote
As for real life. I have learned that you have to be able to laugh at it, even when it sucks.

You laugh at your own life, not at other people's.

I don't think that it mirrors life. Certainly it doesn't mirror any version of life that I've experienced or witnessed. I reckon it would be more reasonable to say that it characitures and sometimes parodies it. Certainly that how I derive the homour.

As for laugh at other people's lives, I think that's pretty normal. Even when sucking, other people's lives can be quite funny. I would suggest that the guidemark is that if it happened to you, would you, at some point expect to be able to laugh about it.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: St.Clair on 14 Jan 2011, 02:26
Well, at least she's leaving.  That's... better than her continuing to be there, I guess.
Now if only she'd actually helped Marten with any of his problems while she was here, rather than making new ones.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 14 Jan 2011, 02:28
Good god Veronica sure does like her casual sex (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434), doesn't she?

Well consider what she does for a living, my good Dug. She practically needs to have a sex-positive attitude, and she seems to have it in spades--it may be why she thought that cheering Marten up could involve getting him laid.

I also think his more prudish sensibilities may be a subconscious rebellion that she's hoping he'll "grow out of." Hence her commentary on his being uptight. To her, he is.


I registered, logged in, and delurked just to tell you how much I love you for posting this.

I will accept this accolade humbly, along with azurite's and steveb's, and I'll try not to be an unbearably smug prick about it.

...FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES But really, thank you. :D

I don't like this. Veronica causes a lot of confusion and mayhem, and it's all wrapped up by her just casually leaving?
It seems perfectly in keeping with her character to me. Blow in, tease Marten, chat to the ladies in his life, blow out. Nobody said she was supposed to be a role model. Except, like, half this forum, I guess...  :-D

To engage in flattery myself, you have this gift for encapsulating the situation perfectly, Akima, bravo.

I am sad to see V go off into the sunset, but she'll be back, and I am interested to see where things go! Steveb, I hope you're right about him salvaging a friendship with Dora, even if it takes him months; I think that even that small step would be a big leap forward for Marten.


EDIT: At the risk of squandering my goodwill, let me propose that "Veronica didn't fix Marten's problems for him! do what I WANTED her to do! 'help' Marten/OMG her behavior was SO OUTRAGEOUS!" is quickly becoming as tired and useless a statement as that perennial canard, "Dora is a bitch!" and repeating it is to be discouraged. :(
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2011, 02:36
In 437, Marten was "jokin' around" about his parents's breakup.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 14 Jan 2011, 02:36
Argh. Now I had to go and look up how penguins feed their young.
What, by throwing up partially digested food in their mouths? Eh, insert comment about the internet and jadedness here. Or a Cracked article hyperlink.  :-D


        So, just when she started acting like a mom, she leaves. Oh well. Why couldn't she have been this nice when she arrived? I mean, they didn't even hug before going off to the restaurant so she could launch her now apparently intentional campaign to humiliate her son out of his funk - I mean, feeling bad about being broken up with two days before is just such an unreasonable reaction, isn't it?

        Yes, it still bugs me.  All  the stuff she did would have been amusing if this were not two days after the breakup, and she was his mom. But it is two days later, not two months later, so it's annoying. I didn't expect her to be a role model; I did expect his mom to be empathetic. Is that really unreasonable? You know, that person that gave birth to you and raised you and we had no reason to believe would be unempathetic, whatever viewers of naked clowns think, and one of the handful of people that most people believe they can turn to in an emotional crisis, whatever certain unconvincing Canadians think - yes, I'm checking back for the many comments I missed.

Long quote, click the link instead o my making this post even longer.

        I'd expect his dad to to be empathetic too. If he made the journey, then he can decrease the googly-eyes with his husband to be (or leave him behind) and be a dad again for a bit. If he didn't, like she shouldn't have, then that's okay too. Obviously, since he didn't. If I may be so 'bold': Nobody said someone should fix this, 'because that's how real life works'. Seriously, where in the heck did you pick that up? No, I didn't expect the friggin magic wand, but I DID expect the "hugs and sympathy and all that", instead of just the embarrassment. Ironically, we finally got that, and even more ironically, the comic seems to be acting like her poor actions the previous day really did fix everything, because now he's all smiley and "things will be better" and all. Though I'm sure further comics will draw back on that a bit. And I'm perfectly fine with her conduct with Dora. It was the sneaking around to do so that was unsettling.

        Looking back, you know what this needed? A timeskip, between about comics 1809 and 1810. If he was depressed still two months or a month later and she came and did the wacky hijinks then, then it would be amusing. But two days after, and she's being - I dare not say a bitch, that's too strong a term anyway - well, something, and trying to snap him out of feeling bad about something that happened  two days ago... Well, I think you know how I feel about that, because I've written like 20 posts saying what it was.

Edit: And now someone else made the "lol, they expected her to come and fix everything" canard two posts above while I was typing. Stop strawmanning, please. If you can honestly defend her actions beyond 'lulz, that was funny for us readers' then do so. If not, don't resort to fallacies so you can feel like you have a counterargument.

Edit 2: Wow, I wrote a lot. Adding indents and a quote to help with readability.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: themacnut on 14 Jan 2011, 02:48
She comes; she's a bit insensitive pretty much the whole time; she goes.  What's unexpected about that?  

Yeah there were reasons Marten really wasn't enthusiastic about seeing his mom in the first place (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1810), and Veronica displayed those reasons front and center over the past couple of weeks. Her personality really wasn't very different from the last time she visited, it's just that Marten was not in a good place emotionally to deal with her usual hijinks this time. We can be pretty sure that Marten's glad to see her go. At last.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 14 Jan 2011, 02:49
@westrim: I got it mostly from the fact that your post seemed to be opining that his mom wasn't Doing It Right to thine eyes, and he needed his dad to swoop in and make it all better, because his mom had failed at that, which just reeks to me of magical thinking.

I suppose I should be more sympathetic; I'm guilty of leaning pretty heavily on my folks for support in hard times, but I realize that really things are up to me now. It scares the fuck out of me, but hey, it's part of that growing up thing that happens to us all.

I continue to think your outlined expectations were, well, either a little unrealistic or you're just misrepresenting her, but hey! You are entitled to your opinion, and you've backed it up succinctly and well. We may agree to disagree, I should think.

EDIT 2x 1x COMBO: ...that was not directed at Just You, and if you really must call me out then call me out. That was me snarking at a general attitude of other posters.

The brunt of it is directed at those who are taking it on themselves to repeat over and over the idea that Veronica did things wrong, and saying things that have been said already, and generally not contributing much to the conversation.

 I think it's fair to say that people did think V could fix everything and are sour about it, it's a valid (if silly) opinion, but I likewise feel legitimate in mocking it. Perhaps I'm being fallacious in that, but I don't really care, because I'm not setting out to have a long and involved rules-heavy debate here. Just as you made your point of view plenty clear already, I should hope so did I, and, welp, there's the fuckin' counterargument. At this point, the floor should be yielded to things like "I wonder what Marigold/Pintsize's/Jimbo/the Roomba family/Agent Turing/the Deathbot is up to!"
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 02:58
As for laugh at other people's lives, I think that's pretty normal. Even when sucking, other people's lives can be quite funny. I would suggest that the guidemark is that if it happened to you, would you, at some point expect to be able to laugh about it.

At your life, certainly.  But not at other people's when they are hurting - if you want to keep your friends.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2011, 03:08
Or if you don't want an espresso machine to blow up in your face. (1258)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 03:13
I would suggest that hurting would exceed the guidemark that I stated. Obviously this would depend on the type of hurting and what you were laughing at. For example, in strip 1835 Tai is expressing some amusement at an aspect of Marten's life. Do you think that she has crossed the line here and that Marten could be expected to withdraw his friendship with her?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 03:20
Remember, I was originally addressing the matter of laughing at the situation of a marriage with a child hitting the rocks when one partner finds that they prefer a gay relationship; plenty of scope for hurt there, I think.  Or at least extensive confusion and puzzlement, which is not a lot funnier.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 03:23
Also scope for humour with that context though.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 14 Jan 2011, 03:23
I got it mostly from the fact that it seemed to be opining that his mom wasn't Doing It Right to thine eyes, and he needed his dad to swoop in and make it all better, because his mom had failed at that, which just reeks to me of magical thinking.

I suppose I should be more sympathetic; I'm guilty of leaning pretty heavily on my folks for support in hard times, but I realize that really things are up to me now. It scares the fuck out of me, but hey, it's part of that growing up thing that happens to us all.

I continue to think your outlined expectations were, well, either a little unrealistic or you're just misrepresenting her, but hey! You are entitled to your opinion, and you've backed it up succinctly and well.
Ah. Well, I didn't bring up his dad originally, so I guess that's all I have to say. I think I kept going into too much detail, since my issue wasn't so much what she should do as what she was doing. The only thing I thought should be done was more empathy from her; any variation with more of that and less humiliating him as much as possible would have been fine and funnier/still funny, I'm sure.

Yeah, growing up is a pain in my ass too even if my parents are nearby and I haven't had any great troubles aside from unemployment (which sucks in terms of disposable income, but I get governmental support for housing and school expenses). I still drop by on weekends to help with housework, pick up mail, and have a dinner five times better than what I can make with 10 ingredients and a cookbook. I guess since I'm closer I may expect more if shit does hit the fan.

Thank you for that. There's been too much mudslinging, and I'm no innocent. On that note, your posts were always amusingly worded, even when I was annoyed at the contents. I wish I could write with more mirth, and less of my dry, analytical, condescending-even-when-I-don't-want-to-be style.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 14 Jan 2011, 03:33
Thank you as well and I hope my Edit Combo above doesn't make me look like too much of a prick. For what it's worth, I 1.) may owe you an apology because I swore you were the dude who was like "he should've called his dad" first and I was tired and bluh bluh didn't check all of the posts before mine, 2.) you were one of the guys on the opposing side of the argument I felt was actually being pretty okay and not all pissed off that Dora/Veronica wasn't getting violence done to them. It may kind of be why I jumped on you, cause I'm like "dude can actually take it".

I do endeavor to be amusing and I'm glad to hear I cone off as such, even if I borrow my styles from all over the Internet, and your only sin in my book is taking things a little too seriously. You are insightful and pretty thought-inspiring most times! And I have never seen you make posts like my earliest ones! Those were mega nasty. Those were dog shit, to quote one Roast Beef Kazenzakis.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Boomslang on 14 Jan 2011, 03:38
Can anyone even give an example of somebody WANTING Veronica to have hit Dora? Or even yell at her?

I didn't notice anyone actually saying that. I, personally, said that her treatment of Marten should, logically, be better than her treatment of Dora, but more in the direction of being nice to Marten, than being less nice to Dora. There wasn't really a genuinely good reason for her to have talked to Dora at all, Dora has her own parents and friends, and Veronica really doesn't have any relationship to or business with her.

Perhaps, to be fair, Marten should talk to Dora's parents? Not that they'd have much to say, but I'm sure the brownies will take his mind off the situation better than the bourbon did.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: StevenC on 14 Jan 2011, 03:47
I think it wasn't so much people wanting Veronica to hit Dora and more people expecting Veronica to hit Dora. Heck, even Marten thought she was doing unspeakable things to her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: themacnut on 14 Jan 2011, 03:50
I'm thinking that maybe Veronica may be trying to avoid coddling her boy too much. He may want him to "suck it up" and "be a man" about the breakup, and as others have pointed out, she does have the advantage and perspective of knowing from experience that people do survive and bounce back from breakups over time.

I think her wanting Marten to "toughen up" and power through the situation may at least partially explain why she went to hug and comfort Dora, but offered little of that to her own son-plus she may be aware that Dora would be mortally afraid of being bent, spindled and mutilated by motherly wrath and wanted to reassure Dora that wouldn't happen.

And after all, she wasn't very tender and motherly to Marten on her previous visit, now was she? She made a point of remarking how much she was getting laid even while Marten was in Sexual Purgatory waiting on Faye. Even Faye had to comment on how cold that was.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Olymander on 14 Jan 2011, 04:01
Can anyone even give an example of somebody WANTING Veronica to have hit Dora? Or even yell at her?

I didn't notice anyone actually saying that. I, personally, said that her treatment of Marten should, logically, be better than her treatment of Dora, but more in the direction of being nice to Marten, than being less nice to Dora. There wasn't really a genuinely good reason for her to have talked to Dora at all, Dora has her own parents and friends, and Veronica really doesn't have any relationship to or business with her.

Perhaps, to be fair, Marten should talk to Dora's parents? Not that they'd have much to say, but I'm sure the brownies will take his mind off the situation better than the bourbon did.

I think it was more of the implication from the posts that were going, "Yay, more Mrs. Reed!  Dora better head for the hills!"  And I do remember a few going "Dora's going to find out all about the Hieronymus Bosch", or something similar.  The second being a bit more explicit about the expected happenings than the first.

I suspect that for some reason, Mrs. Reed identifies a little too closely with Dora, maybe because she looks so much like her when she was younger (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=436).  I don't know that this explains anything, but assuming that Marten and his mother talked alot, this may have been her version of OTP, and thus she was unhappy when it fell apart.  This does, I admit, induce certain squicky thoughts which I'll carefully step over.

Considering what happened when Marten got drunk, I'm not sure having him stoned and near Dora's mom's breasts (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1047) is necessarily the best idea.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 04:09
Also scope for humour with that context though.

With sensitivity, and with the connivance of those affected, perhaps - but it's crass to simply laugh at someone else's issues from outside.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 14 Jan 2011, 04:14
Humorous aside about Leroy Jenkins...

Most of our guys were into WoW.  Every time we went on mission, one of the Convoy Commanders would say, "Okay guys, let's do this!  LEEEEEEEROOOOOY JEEEEENKIIIIIIINS!"  Regardless of who was sitting in the back of the MRAP.  We had full-bird Colonels and civilians laughing hysterically going out onto Rte. Irish or Michigan.  Good times.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 14 Jan 2011, 05:17
So now it's official that Marten isn't into casual. Everything pointed that way already but now we have confirmation from on high.

Just cause you can do something doesn't always mean that you should, or want to.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Jan 2011, 06:18
What else doesn't Veronica realize?

She doesn't have her hair up in a ponytail.    - 4 (6.2%)
Black really clashes with her eyes.    - 0 (0%)
That wasn't Splenda she put in her coffee.    - 3 (4.6%)
She got an extra ear piercing since yesterday.    - 2 (3.1%)
Faye has a scar on her right boob.    - 7 (10.8%)
Dora's hair was purple.    - 5 (7.7%)
She doesn't really need glasses.    - 5 (7.7%)
Pintsize has her entire BDSM collection uploaded into his memory.    - 19 (29.2%)
That WASN'T Kirk, but his brother Leeeeroooyyyy Jenkkinnnnsss!!!!    - 8 (12.3%)
Waffles taste better with chicken.    - 12 (18.5%)

Total Voters: 65
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 06:19
What sick and twisted mind came up with "waffles taste better with chicken"? You need help.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: snubnose on 14 Jan 2011, 06:45
I'm thinking that maybe Veronica may be trying to avoid coddling her boy too much.
I rather think Veronica is simply unable to help, as she hinted herself in the previous comic (thursday, #1839). She simply wouldnt know how.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 14 Jan 2011, 07:21
She comes; she's a bit insensitive pretty much the whole time; she goes.  What's unexpected about that?

Just pointing out the hilariously poor word choice here given her occupation.

What sick and twisted mind came up with "waffles taste better with chicken"? You need help.

A Southern one, you sick and twisted Yankee. Have you never heard of the wonderful establishment known as the Waffle House (or at least an IHOP)? Chicken and Waffles is fucking amazing and you are doing yourself a disservice by never having tried it before!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 07:34
Yankee, oh the ignominy.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: horsefish on 14 Jan 2011, 07:48
What sick and twisted mind came up with "waffles taste better with chicken"? You need help.

I made a recipe I found somewhere once that was *basically* chicken a la king between a couple of Eggos.  It was tasty.

And yes, I live in the South. (not a native - how did I go so long without sweet tea and good BBQ?)
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 07:52
I refuse to take culinary advice from a region of the world that voluntarily cooks grit.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: St.Clair on 14 Jan 2011, 08:06
Grits
And in that case, you're basically writing off Italy too.  Or at least the parts that enjoy polenta.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jan 2011, 08:08
I refuse to take culinary advice from a region of the world that voluntarily cooks grit.

You have to cook 'em.

They're pretty chewy if ya eat 'em raw!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 14 Jan 2011, 08:08
Yankee, oh the ignominy.

Those weirdos put sugar in their grits. Sugar in their grits! That is just dumb!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 08:14
Grits.  
And in that case, you're basically writing off Italy too.  Or at least the parts that enjoy polenta.

I've been to Italy and eaten polenta there. At no time was it ever referred to as grit(s), nor did they add sugar.


Those weirdos put sugar in their grits. Sugar in their grits! That is just dumb!

You call something you eat "grit" and you're calling someone else dumb? Would you like to comment on the colour of the kettle there Mr. Pot?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: horsefish on 14 Jan 2011, 08:15
Yankee, oh the ignominy.

Those weirdos put sugar in their grits. Sugar in their grits! That is just dumb!

My wife (native southerner) berates me mercilessly for puting sugar in my grits.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Jan 2011, 08:16
@The Seldom Killer - Here here.  Not that I would eat chicken in any context. Or grits, most likely.





And sweet tea is a bloody abomination. Why anyone would spoil something as lovely as tea by dumping ass loads of sugar into it is beyond me.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Jan 2011, 08:24
It's "grits" then? So "grit" is a false way of saying it? What I'm saying is, I guess you could call them True Grits








*frantically packs a bag and books a flight out of the country*
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 14 Jan 2011, 08:31
You call something you eat "grit" and you're calling someone else dumb? Would you like to comment on the colour of the kettle there Mr. Pot?

Grits, when cooked properly, aren't actually "gritty" at all. Cream of Wheat is grittier than Grits, usually.

My wife (native southerner) berates me mercilessly for puting sugar in my grits.

That's because everyone knows that proper grits go best with salt and a little butter (and/or whatever else you want to put in them, like cheese or chopped up bits of meat).

@The Seldom Killer - Here here.  Not that I would eat chicken in any context. Or grits, most likely.

Grits are basically Oatmeal, but instead of Oats you're using Corn. Ditch the Instant stuff and get you some honest-to-God grits made from yellow Hominy, they are delicious!

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And sweet tea is a bloody abomination. Why anyone would spoil something as lovely as tea by dumping ass loads of sugar into it is beyond me.

I will agree with you on this one, I like my tea unsweetened (maybe some lemon or something, but no to the tons of sugar).

It's "grits" then? So "grit" is a false way of saying it? What I'm saying is, I guess you could call them True Grits

No, "grits" refers to food only, "grit" is something else entirely (especially in that context).

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*frantically packs a bag and books a flight out of the country*

I'd probably have to join you after saying that I enjoyed the newer movie more than the old one.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 08:32
Pluralisation in no way makes the name more endearing. If anything it's the opposite.

Hominy on the other hand sounds like something I would be prepared to try.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 14 Jan 2011, 09:54
Good god Veronica sure does like her casual sex (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=434), doesn't she?

Yeah, what the HELL this is a MOM talking to her KID here gaghghaghgh. I know he's "grown up", but what the HELL.

In all seriousness, Veronica is approaching Quagmire-level areas of ickyness here for me. Yeah, I know, this is the modern-age thing to be where everyone is all "yawn, lets have sex", but in all honesty, "lots of casual sex", even with a condom, is a pretty risky endeavor- a tear, a rip, and "oops", guess who's got Lifetime STD A- or lifetime child support, not to mention how empty meaningless sex gets after a while.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 14 Jan 2011, 10:17
Hominy on the other hand sounds like something I would be prepared to try.

Hominy is generally the type of corn used to make the best grits (also, popcorn!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy

You can get canned hominy at any given grocery store (usually cooked the same way as normal corn), in White or Yellow varieties (I prefer Yellow, but they're not that different, honestly). Hominy is also a great substitute for regular old corn in chili recipes!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: CEOIII on 14 Jan 2011, 10:47
.....and Veronica leaves some emotional wreckage in her wake. And perhaps, just perhaps, a band-aid.

Whether he's into casual or not, maybe getting out (and possibly getting a little) is what he needs. BAR HOPPING!

To put a final cap on things: I didn't expect her to "fix everything". But she could've been a LOT more sensitive during her visit. Aside from the "go get laid" in the last comic and the "who wants to see my kid holding a sex toy?" thing (every mom on the planet has embarrassing pics of their child that they LOVE to show people, it's practically federal law), Veronica has been as helpful and comforting as a grits enema. I hope the next time she's in handcuffs, they lose the key for a few hours.

Not gonna get into the grits/hominy debate, but I will say I once gave chicken and waffles a shot (microwaved chicken and blueberry Eggo) and I HIGHLY recommend it.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 14 Jan 2011, 10:55
This is what grits  look like (http://www.ansonmills.com/page19/page41/files/page41_1.jpg), for those deprived of their presence in local cuisine. Not gritty at all, when cooked, and basically like non flaky oatmeal. And I'll note that digs at Southern culinary habits are misplaced, as they were invented by Native Americans, being basically coarse corn meal. Hominy (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Hominy_%28maize%29.JPG) is whole corn treated with an alkali, very different.

Yankee, oh the ignominy.
Those weirdos put sugar in their grits. Sugar in their grits! That is just dumb!
It's because we put it on oatmeal, so grits are treated similarly. We don't make a distinction between them. I've had grits in several ways- cheese, salt and butter, sugar, cinnamon sugar, butter and sugar, and a couple I'm forgetting. I'd eat them all again except the butter varieties.

As for sweet tea, it's all a matter of how much of a taste one has for bitterness. In my view, sweet tea is better than no tea at all because one believes it's too bitter. Might as well complain that someone puts cream in coffee.

But hey, I'm a westerner, so what do I know about these north/south divides. I'll eat it all, or at least give it a try.

How did we get on this subject, anyway? *checks* Oh, the unconvincing Canadian decided to insult something he's never tried, spelled wrong, and had completely incorrect assumptions about. Well, he picked a good signature, I guess.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: westrim on 14 Jan 2011, 11:03
Thank you as well and I hope my Edit Combo above doesn't make me look like too much of a prick. For what it's worth, I 1.) may owe you an apology because I swore you were the dude who was like "he should've called his dad" first and I was tired and bluh bluh didn't check all of the posts before mine, 2.) you were one of the guys on the opposing side of the argument I felt was actually being pretty okay and not all pissed off that Dora/Veronica wasn't getting violence done to them. It may kind of be why I jumped on you, cause I'm like "dude can actually take it".

I do endeavor to be amusing and I'm glad to hear I cone off as such, even if I borrow my styles from all over the Internet, and your only sin in my book is taking things a little too seriously. You are insightful and pretty thought-inspiring most times! And I have never seen you make posts like my earliest ones! Those were mega nasty.
Ah, cool. I like being the reasonable one. And naw man, you weren't a prick, no worries.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ysth on 14 Jan 2011, 12:09
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And don't forget - you're single now!  You can have lots and lots of casual sex!
Or, you could grow a 'stache.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Duke on 14 Jan 2011, 12:36
Or at least, one obstacle toward the greater good of Marten growing a mustache has been removed; now to overcome his body's total inability to do so!

and I believe it is time for  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Jan 2011, 13:01
Au contrair (I know I didn't spell that right whatever I'm tired)! A mustache is the only kind of facial hair he can grow! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1507)

But yes, we were running dangerously low on psyduck  :psyduck:




 :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cesariojpn on 14 Jan 2011, 13:29
I don't like this. Veronica causes a lot of confusion and mayhem, and it's all wrapped up by her just casually leaving?
It seems perfectly in keeping with her character to me. Blow in, tease Marten, chat to the ladies in his life, blow out. Nobody said she was supposed to be a role model. Except, like, half this forum, I guess...  :-D

She didn't see Marigold or Raven........okay, she didn't see Marigold.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Jan 2011, 13:56
Which kinda begs the question, whats going to happen when Dora's parents find out that she and Marten broke up? Are they going to notice? Or will there be some vague recollection of a guy in a black hoodie having dinner at their place?

It could be quite interesting to see their reaction to the breakup, and possibly quite telling about their relationship with Dora.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Jan 2011, 14:21
Thinking about it

Yes, Veronica can and is an insensitive train wreck on legs, but I think that deep down she does love Marten.

After all, despite Marty not being too happy about it, and having all the tact of a Viking raiding party when she got there, she did drop everything and come down to see if her son was OK after hearing about the breakup.

She may no exactly be in the list for 'Mother of the Year', but at least it shows she cares enough about him to do that.  If she didn't, do you think she would have interrupted her busy life to do so?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 14 Jan 2011, 14:38
This is what grits  look like (http://www.ansonmills.com/page19/page41/files/page41_1.jpg), for those deprived of their presence in local cuisine.
It looks like 粥 ( zhōu (http://www.gdfs.gov.cn/jkys/UploadFiles_5120/200801/20080114103949113.jpg) pronounced roughly joe ) to me. The breakfast of champions!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Duke on 14 Jan 2011, 18:06
Au contraire {close!} (I know I didn't spell that right whatever I'm tired)! A mustache is the only kind of facial hair he can grow! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1507)

But yes, we were running dangerously low on psyduck  :psyduck:




 :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
(the bold type was me)

Oh man, I thought of that comic but all I remembered about it was that his mustache in it was brutal.  I guess he hadn't gone as long as I thought without shaving in that strip, then.

Let the mustache-growing commence!

and just for good measure:  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 14 Jan 2011, 18:34
@The Seldom Killer - Here here.  Not that I would eat chicken in any context. Or grits, most likely.





And sweet tea is a bloody abomination. Why anyone would spoil something as lovely as tea by dumping ass loads of sugar into it is beyond me.

Man, I will tell you as a man from the Yankee-est of Yankee states (Washington State to most, Cascadia if you want to be a huge nerd/hipster douchebag) that grits are really tasty and--

....

Sweet tea is a what? A what. Oh Hell no. Hell fucking no. I will fight you.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Jan 2011, 18:40
3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . FIGHT!!!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Skelepunk on 14 Jan 2011, 18:42
In defense of my fellow Canadian, grits don't sound  or look very appetizing to me, either. I've heard them compared to cream of wheat, which does not increase the appea. I think the chicken and waffle combo might be tasty though.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Jan 2011, 18:50
Man, I will tell you as a man from the Yankee-est of Yankee states (Washington State to most, Cascadia if you want to be a huge nerd/hipster douchebag) ...

Never thought of Washington as "Yankee", but I'm from the northeast.  I'm not sure Yankee just means "not Southern", I'm pretty sure it was originally a slight against New Englanders that got extended to the Union states in the civil war.  So, Ohio, Indiana (barely), Illinois, PA, NY, MI, MA, ME, NJ, CT, RI, VT, NH, sure.  Even MD, but that was really  close.  But Washington?  You guys joined the party too late...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 14 Jan 2011, 19:44
Maryland and West Virginia are traitors to the Cause.  MD had their entire legislature (after they had voted for secession--their northern border is the Mason-Dixon line) thrown in prison with no Habeas Corpus, and WV decided that they'd just counter-seceed and scamper to those Union douches.  Granted, the further South you get, the less "South" they consider anyone who is North of them--for instance, in LA, no one who is from north of I-10 (which, I might add, cuts across 2/3rds of the state) is not from "The South".

Washington was close--Oregon was a state at that point, and there was even a battle there if memory serves.

Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Watched Pot on 14 Jan 2011, 22:04
Man, I will tell you as a man from the Yankee-est of Yankee states (Washington State to most, Cascadia if you want to be a huge nerd/hipster douchebag) that grits are really tasty and--
Washington is not a Yankee state though. Not even a little bit.

Maryland and West Virginia are traitors to the Cause.  MD had their entire legislature (after they had voted for secession--their northern border is the Mason-Dixon line) thrown in prison with no Habeas Corpus, and WV decided that they'd just counter-seceed and scamper to those Union douches.  Granted, the further South you get, the less "South" they consider anyone who is North of them--for instance, in LA, no one who is from north of I-10 (which, I might add, cuts across 2/3rds of the state) is not from "The South".

Washington was close--Oregon was a state at that point, and there was even a battle there if memory serves.


The idea of "The South" most commonly held by people like you has about as much connection to the actual events & ideas of the Confederacy as shamrocks and Pot-o-gold Leprechauns have to actual Irish history.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 23:30
How did we get on this subject, anyway? *checks* Oh, the unconvincing Canadian decided to insult something he's never tried, spelled wrong, and had completely incorrect assumptions about. Well, he picked a good signature, I guess.

If you read a bit further back you'll find the actual stem, in which I expressed the combination of waffles and chicken and in return someone alledged I was a Yankee in what appeared to be a humourously insulting manner. Lighthearted banter ensued. Once I'd been dragged onto the road of culinary arguments, grits was an easy choice, simply because of the name. My knowledge of cornmeal, polenta and other forms of cornmeal extends further than you have incorrectly assumed.

The unconvincing Canadian reference is a whole other unrelated story.

If anyone can elucidate me on the root of the word grits, I would be most grateful.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Skelepunk on 14 Jan 2011, 23:48
Well Seldom,"Grit (going back to Old English grytt or grytta or gryttes[1]) is an almost extinct word for bran, chaff, mill-dust also for oats that have been husked but not ground, or that have been only coarsely ground—coarse oatmeal. The word continues to exist in modern dishes like grits, a Native American corn-based food common in the Southern United States, consisting of coarsely ground corn; and the German red grits, Rote Grütze, a traditional pudding made of summer berries and starch and sugar. Grit was here the cheap supplier of starch." states Wikipedia.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DSL on 14 Jan 2011, 23:56
More importantly, what would Veronica say if Mrs. Whitaker offered her a hearty serving of grits? With or without sweet tea?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Jan 2011, 00:12
Maybe she's more respectful toward older people? If not, I imagine all sorts of overly blunt comments from her.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: DSL on 15 Jan 2011, 00:15
Probably along the lines of "Grits and sweet tea? Christ, what a disammmmglumphpbbbbbbt!" Because we know Mrs. W talks to her older daughter.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Jan 2011, 00:46
 :psyduck:

I was only trying to tie in Waffles with the current storyline!!!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Jan 2011, 00:47
What else doesn't Veronica realize?

She doesn't have her hair up in a ponytail.    - 5 (6.6%)
Black really clashes with her eyes.    - 0 (0%)
That wasn't Splenda she put in her coffee.    - 4 (5.3%)
She got an extra ear piercing since yesterday.    - 2 (2.6%)
Faye has a scar on her right boob.    - 9 (11.8%)
Dora's hair was purple.    - 8 (10.5%)
She doesn't really need glasses.    - 5 (6.6%)
Pintsize has her entire BDSM collection uploaded into his memory.    - 20 (26.3%)
That WASN'T Kirk, but his brother Leeeeroooyyyy Jenkkinnnnsss!!!!    - 8 (10.5%)
Waffles taste better with chicken.    - 15 (19.7%)

Total Voters: 76
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: cesariojpn on 15 Jan 2011, 02:03
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/cesariojpn/fd377c3d.jpg)

I'm sorry, but as I read the thread, I get the sensation it's this segment from Beakman's World.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: sitnspin on 15 Jan 2011, 07:15

Sweet tea is a what? A what. Oh Hell no. Hell fucking no. I will fight you.

Dear, Dr ROFLPWN, it has come to my attention that we will be fighting soon...


I stand by my statement. It is bloody disgusting. Sugar in tea at all is a crime, so much sugar that it basically becomes vaguely tea flavored syrup is a veritable atrocity. The only thing that should be added to iced tea is possibly lemon. Better yet, drink it hot.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 15 Jan 2011, 09:24
The idea of "The South" most commonly held by people like you has about as much connection to the actual events & ideas of the Confederacy as shamrocks and Pot-o-gold Leprechauns have to actual Irish history.

As much as I'd love to re-fight the Civil War with you, Sir/Ma'am, I just know that I'd win.  I'm not for the South Rising Again, but if you want to infer that, you go right ahead.  I've sworn numerous times to Support and Defend the Constitution from all Enemies, Foreign and Domestic.  So do yourself a favor and stop being a fucking troll.


Back on Topic,
I really hope that we get something else going in this coming week.  The past few weeks with this whole break-up thing are just killing my mojo for appreciation of this comic.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 15 Jan 2011, 09:34
The idea of "The South" most commonly held by people like you has about as much connection to the actual events & ideas of the Confederacy as shamrocks and Pot-o-gold Leprechauns have to actual Irish history.

As much as I'd love to re-fight the Civil War with you, Sir/Ma'am, I just know that I'd win.  I'm not for the South Rising Again, but if you want to infer that, you go right ahead.  I've sworn numerous times to Support and Defend the Constitution from all Enemies, Foreign and Domestic.  So do yourself a favor and stop being a fucking troll.


Back on Topic,
I really hope that we get something else going in this coming week.  The past few weeks with this whole break-up thing are just killing my mojo for appreciation of this comic.


And speaking of trolls - stay out of the sun.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 15 Jan 2011, 11:23
Man, I wish I could see some sun. I live in Washington and work nights, so I haven't seen the sun since... like October.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Jan 2011, 12:44
A tourist at Pike Place Market asked a passing child "Excuse me, young man, does it ever stop raining here?".

The kid said "How should I know?! I'm only six!".
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Jan 2011, 20:39
[rimshot]
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: ysth on 16 Jan 2011, 11:55
Most of the market is covered; maybe the tourist referred to rains of fish?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 16 Jan 2011, 15:38
Never thought of Washington as "Yankee", but I'm from the northeast.
Back where I come from Yankee applies to all USAnians... :D
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Jan 2011, 17:41
Someone from the Southeastern US might take offense at that moniker, but I would hope they'd understand once they leave NA that "Yankee" is a term for all Americans.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 16 Jan 2011, 18:27
I doubt that someone from the southeastern US would be able to travel abroad long enough to hear it... Most of their heads would implode if they traveled outside their state.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Jan 2011, 18:34
... Where y'all from again?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Jan 2011, 20:46
The Notth






















































Island of New Zealand
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 17 Jan 2011, 03:10
How does it feel to be so close to another one of England's penal colonies?
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Jan 2011, 03:59
How does it feel to be so close to another one of England's FORMER penal colonies?

FYP

Sins of the fathers, and all that. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 17 Jan 2011, 05:44
Also, I'm from Arlington, VA.  That means I'm from the North.  No one considers it the South except if you're from, say, Philadelphia or higher.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 17 Jan 2011, 05:49
How does it feel to be so close to another one of England's penal colonies?

'Cept NZ was never a penal colony, so the use of another would imply that there is one other than the smallest of continents nearby.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Odin on 17 Jan 2011, 09:44
How does it feel to be so close to another one of England's penal colonies?

'Cept NZ was never a penal colony, so the use of another would imply that there is one other than the smallest of continents nearby.

The US was also one, that was the joke (even though I was referencing Australia).

Holy crap that one shouldn't have required an explanation.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 17 Jan 2011, 10:18
None of the North American colonies were penal in nature. 

The NA colonies were economically important to England, as sources of food and naval stores, but also as places where furs could be procured cheaply to be sold in Europe at high prices.  Very few prisoners were transported to North America.  France controlled the majority of the continent (or at least access to it) prior to 1763, which meant that starting a population of persons whose loyalty to the Crown would be questionable was not a viable consideration, and then there was that whole inconvenience of the American Revolution which would have discouraged such an idea. 

If you're going to start a penal colony you need to make sure it's hard to get away from (and Australia certainly was at the time of penal colonies), that there is little likelyhood that your political opponents will be able to show up and say,"Want to go take a swing at the bastards that put you here?"  And that if there is a problem with the colonists that such problems do not interfere with vital economic resources.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Jan 2011, 13:48
Uh, actually Georgia was something of a penal colony at the time, but more as an alternative to debtor's prison.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Jan 2011, 14:14
...Which is the whole "economic resources" point.  You could work your debt off in America, and then you'd be free.  Then you had to earn enough to buy transportation home, but by then, you'd be either well set up here, or dead. 

A very different ball of wax compared to the "lifers" shipped to Australia. 

It also started a good deal of "southern" culture, many of the early plantations in the south started with these "indentured servants", then found the slaves to be more economical.  The whole indenturing thing died off pretty quickly once the slave trade got going in earnest. 

Happy MLKII day. 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: peterh on 17 Jan 2011, 14:24
Just this:

Today's QC delivery is AWESOME!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: akronnick on 17 Jan 2011, 15:00
Also, I'm from Arlington, VA.  That means I'm from the North.  No one considers it the South except if you're from, say, Philadelphia or higher.

Robert E. Lee was from Arlington.

You can't get more Southern than the commanding General of the Army of Northern Virginia!
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Jan 2011, 15:03
Virginia seceded from the Union.  You can't get more confederate than that, and you can't get more southern than confederate! 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 17 Jan 2011, 16:25
Quick, I need a picture of Jeff Dunham's Peanut with "Oh! My! God!" written under it... preferably as a gif.

Again, I'm not getting into a fight concerning the Civil War.  Yes, VA seceded.  Yes, REL was from Arlington.  But there were some people in the Army of Northern Virginia who were from the "North," just as there were people from the South who fought for the Union.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Jan 2011, 22:42
Fine, fine, you can consider yourself a northern sympathizer all you want.  Doesn't change the geography - Arlington is in VA, and that's the south! 
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 19 Jan 2011, 02:24
The US was also one, that was the joke (even though I was referencing Australia).
The United States Of America is a legal and political entity, which did not come into existence until after the American Revolution (arguably not until the Treaty Of Paris in 1783), and so was certainly never a British penal colony. Any convicts shipped from Britain would have been received by its American colonies, not the by United States.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 19 Jan 2011, 07:12
Is not Australia a former colony?? Are they not a legal and political entity?  Australia as a commonwealth did not exist until 1901...
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Akima on 19 Jan 2011, 14:12
Is not Australia a former colony?? Are they not a legal and political entity?  Australia as a commonwealth did not exist until 1901...
Exactly. If someone specifically referred to the Commonwealth Of Australia (born 26th January 1901 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Australia)) as a penal colony, they would be just as incorrect as if they called the United States Of America one. If they use the informal term "Australia", that is fair enough because the modern country is coterminous with the geographical entity of the same name that was used as a dumping ground for the British Empire's undesirables, and five of our six states were indeed once penal colonies (South Australia was founded "free" and stayed that way). By contrast, most of the USA's territory was conquered, purchased or otherwise acquired after its founding, and never had British colonial status in the first place.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Jan 2011, 16:44
Truth is, if the USA hadn't started things in 1776, India, Australia, Canada and several other ports of call would still be British "Colonies" and not "Commonwealths".
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 19 Jan 2011, 17:17
I would argue that we simply refer to it as "the US" instead of singling out the one specific example because if you did, people would wonder if you're saying that the country of Georgia was once a penal colony of the British Empire.

Also, if you really think about it, the American Colonies were a great way to offload some serious overpopulation as well as political undesirables like those damn Puritans.  As Robin Williams once said, "People so uptight, the English kicked them out.  Take your pimp shoes and go!"  So, it's really all the same.  What a great way to start a great country.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: AnAverageWriter on 19 Jan 2011, 17:26
I would argue that we simply refer to it as "the US" instead of singling out the one specific example

Maybe you do, but there is no "we" involved. Your error is one not shared by others here.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Wraith11B on 20 Jan 2011, 05:12
Thank you for insulting my mental faculties.  Sure, I guess living overseas, traveling all over the world, and all of that just makes me another ignorant American.  Great.  I will initiate consuming bad domestic beer, insulting everyone here for not living "in the real world" and promoting the US over all comers.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: Border Reiver on 20 Jan 2011, 05:18
Truth is, if the USA hadn't started things in 1776, India, Australia, Canada and several other ports of call would still be British "Colonies" and not "Commonwealths".

Canada started it all with fully representative government around 1791 for Lower Canada and Upper Canada (Nova Scotia had it earlier  in 1758).  Britain's role was to deal with foreign policy - domestic policy was firmly in local hands - same as in the 13 colonies prior to that tiff over trade tarriffs and not nicking the First Nations lands.  Canada's unification occurred primarily becasue of that little spat down in the US from 1861-65.

And we were a Dominion - not a Commonwealth.
Title: Re: WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Post by: pwhodges on 20 Jan 2011, 05:38
I think most people here know the score, and the discussion is heading towards terminological nitpicking, politics and heatedness - so I think we'll stop now.