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Title: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 May 2011, 10:53
And we start out with a poll!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 May 2011, 11:19
Urgh. I was so tempted to vote waffles, but I had to go with awkward Tai.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: DSL on 22 May 2011, 11:23
Hanners will stand awkwardly in the corner by the restroom at tSB, trying not to be noticed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: Deadlywonky on 22 May 2011, 12:00
How about an employee exchange scheme? Elliott goes to CoD and Faye goes to TSB, and subsequently drives away their entire clientelle.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: Skewbrow on 22 May 2011, 14:36
I can see Elliott being the delivery guy for both tSB and CoD. We don't know about his other qualifications yet, though? I suspect there was a reason for him to wear an apron, so he may not have time for CoD's burro duty.

OTOH I don't see a common pool of baristas emerging. It might be hilarious to have Renee greeting Angus at CoD and Hannelore greeting Marten at tSB, but I don't see either of them going for it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2011, 14:40
Renee doesn't seem like the "greeting" type.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: Carl-E on 22 May 2011, 18:49
You really needed a poll where we can pick more than one option...

With Renee at tSB, you don't need Cosette to burn both  places down.  I also see awkward reconciliation, but it may not be ths week, depending on the other arcs that creep in. 


On a separate note, glad to see you're all still here, and that I'm not the only heathen on the forum.   :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 May 2011, 19:14
On a separate note, glad to see you're all still here, and that I'm not the only heathen on the forum.   :roll:

Considering that I was in checkout line at my local supermarket at 6pm yesterday, part of me was a little disappointed that I didn't get to go looting.

But yeah, we're all still here. Waiting for the next nutcase.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 May 2011, 21:25
The preacher at the church we attended this morning said he was very disappointed in all of us.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2011, 21:40
Interesting words coming from a preacher who is noticeably alive and unraptured.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 May 2011, 21:45
It was, obviously, a joke.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Deadlywonky on 22 May 2011, 23:29
What do you think the likelihood of Jeph working the non-rapture into today's comic is?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: snubnose on 22 May 2011, 23:29
How about an employee exchange scheme? Elliott goes to CoD and Faye goes to TSB, and subsequently drives away their entire clientelle.
... uh, what good would that do ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 22 May 2011, 23:31
What do you think the likelihood of Jeph working the non-rapture into today's comic is?
He generally stays away from topical stuff nowadays. I think he's even said directly he tries to stay away from anything that dates the material.
EDIT: Although Friday's comic, with its title, could be taken as a non-topical reference to a topical, er, topic. If that's the case, well played, sir.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 22 May 2011, 23:46
OK, I thought it was me. 

Quote from: Jeph's Twitter
wtf, my justin.tv channel got closed

The banner I got when it happened was that it was a "terms of service" violation.  Someone responded that it may have been the bonercat sketches he makes when he takes a break...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: bicostp on 22 May 2011, 23:47
Justin.tv has no appreciation for Bonercat. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14073868/pictures/emotes/emot-colbert.gif)

e: From the Justin.tv ToS:

Quote
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BY USING THE JUSTIN.TV SERVICE YOU AGREE NOT TO:
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[more words]

11. Termination; Terms of Service Violations.
11.1 Justin.tv.

You agree that Justin.tv, in its sole discretion, for any or no reason, and without penalty, may terminate any account (or any part thereof) you may have with Justin.tv or your use of the Justin.tv Service and remove and discard all or any part of your account, User profile, and any Lifecaster Content, at any time. Justin.tv may also in its sole discretion and at any time discontinue providing access to the Justin.tv Service, or any part thereof, with or without notice. You agree that any termination of your access to the Justin.tv Service or any account you may have or portion thereof may be effected without prior notice, and you agree that Justin.tv will not be liable to you or any third party for any such termination. Any suspected fraudulent, abusive or illegal activity may be referred to appropriate law enforcement authorities. These remedies are in addition to any other remedies Justin.tv may have at law or in equity. As discussed herein, Justin.tv does not permit copyright infringing activities on the Justin.tv Service, and will terminate access to the Justin.tv Service, and remove all Lifecaster Content or other content submitted by any Users who are found to be repeat infringers.
11.2 You.

Your only remedy with respect to any dissatisfaction with (i) the Justin.tv Service, (ii) any term of this Terms of Service, (iii) any policy or practice of Justin.tv in operating the Justin.tv Service, or (iv) any content or information transmitted through the Justin.tv Service, is to terminate this Terms of Service and your account. You may terminate this Terms of Service at any time by discontinuing use of any and all parts of the Justin.tv Service.

So basically they can terminate your account on the first infraction because you offended someone's right to be not offended, and if you don't like it go away. :| (Also you basically sign over all content broadcast on their system to them so they can do whatever they want with it with no obligation to compensate you.)

So I guess we're going back to ustream? Or is there another live broadcast thing that's actually halfway decent?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Jedit on 22 May 2011, 23:54
He generally stays away from topical stuff nowadays. I think he's even said directly he tries to stay away from anything that dates the material.

Which is a wise move, given how long it takes to get through one year of strip time.  Only problem is, it does restrict the bands Marten et al are allowed to like, which for a strip about hipsters is a major drawback.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ysth on 23 May 2011, 00:12
justin.tv has a thing for trout?

Seriously, I'd bet it's the music.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 23 May 2011, 00:15
Elliot the Knoife Killer. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 23 May 2011, 00:21
oh god. dat face.

I've already made a Hanners icon from this storyline and now I want to make another from panel 4. STOP MAKING HANNELORE LOOK SO AWESOME!!!*





*not really
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 23 May 2011, 00:26
C'mon Hanners. You can knoife a melon, Elliott can knoife a fish. (I vote to make "knoife" the official forum spelling for "knife.")
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Torlek on 23 May 2011, 00:35
(I vote to make "knoife" the official forum spelling for "knife.")
Motion is seconded. The motion shall be put to a floor vote.

For the comic, Elliot delivers epic win. Apparently our reluctant berserker isn't so reluctant when fishes are involved. Of course the little fuckers deserve it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: westrim on 23 May 2011, 00:38
There's something off about Elliott's excuse for his usage of blades on living creatures. Dare I say... fishy?  :mrgreen:

ALTERNATE PUN
So I guess Elliott likes to have a knife day of fishing now and then.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tuitsuro on 23 May 2011, 00:43
Eh.  She'll be fine with the Knife Killer, just give her a shovel. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Sorflakne on 23 May 2011, 00:45
Gonna have to disagree with Elliot.  Ever tried properly flaying a fish that's flopping around?  Yeah...much easier to crack 'em on the head with a rock or a hammer and then start flaying.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Merrick on 23 May 2011, 00:48
I'm amazed that nobody's reacted to Hanners in Faye's panel 2 reaction before....


Gonna have to disagree with Elliot.  Ever tried properly flaying a fish that's flopping around?  Yeah...much easier to crack 'em on the head with a rock or a hammer and then start flaying.

I am assume he perhaps beheads them, not flays them?

I dunno anything about fishing, so....
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cesariojpn on 23 May 2011, 00:53
Eh.  She'll be fine with the Knife Killer, just give her a shovel. 

Or, move to the UK:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/cesariojpn/353aa6d5.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 23 May 2011, 01:33
I'm amazed that nobody's reacted to Hanners in Faye's panel 2 reaction before....

lol I did notice that; Faye seems to be short-circuiting.  :lol:

(I vote to make "knoife" the official forum spelling for "knife.")
Motion is seconded. The motion shall be put to a floor vote.

Aye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Somebody on 23 May 2011, 02:20
Scared about being escorted by Elliot for fear of being knifed, and yet prepared to stand beside him (and even turn her back on him!)

Oh Hanners...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pendrake on 23 May 2011, 02:32
For comic #1931...

1. This strip makes me wonder how far it is between Coffee of Doom and The Secret Bakery.  My impression is that it is within "relative" walking distance (not needing to take a bus, car, &/or train).

2. Not sure why, but I liked Faye's ":psyduck:" reaction in panel #2.  You know you have screwed up, somehow, when you cannot get the (or any) words out.  Gods know I have had that moment more than once if life...  ("that...it- gyerg- arrggh!!")

3. Poor Elliot, displaying Marten-esque traits in badly chosen moments for blunt honesty comb‌ined with a poor choice of words.

4. This has to be the greenest we have seen Hanners' eyes yet, but I also like the " ... " reactions of Faye and Padma too.

5. If you are fishing with the intent to eat what you catch, yes you cut the head off.  If you are "sport" fishing, you generally crack their head &/or quickly suffocate them (dry ice, alcohol, etc).  If you are working in the fishing industry, you slice the underside open and scrape the insides out :-P .
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: no one special on 23 May 2011, 03:35
Gonna have to disagree with Elliot.  Ever tried properly flaying a fish that's flopping around?  Yeah...much easier to crack 'em on the head with a rock or a hammer and then start flaying.

Or just put 'em on ice in the back of your truck and drive home.  By the time you get there, they've drowned in the air and you can gut them easily.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 23 May 2011, 03:54
I don't fully understand why Hanners stayed. I assume tSB and CoD are within walking distance but probably bordering on too long a walk or unfamiliar enough that Hanners didn't want to do it alone? Although she's been to tSB a few times so that doesn't really make sense. I'm also guessing she's okay being near Elliot but not walking alone with him because they're in a public place surrounded by people? But does the walk to CoD go down scary alleys or something then? You'd think she'd realize streets would have people all around too? Unless it's the middle of the day so everyone is in work or something so they're not as crowded as usual but then there's all the shops they pass with glass windows people can se-- ADJGH

2. Not sure why, but I liked Faye's ":psyduck:" reaction in panel #2.  You know you have screwed up, somehow, when you cannot get the (or any) words out.  Gods know I have had that moment more than once if life...  ("that...it- gyerg- arrggh!!")

As my brain breaking shows up there, I think Faye's reaction is more, "What? Your logic? I don't get it!" But it could be a mix of both if her and Padma just got up and went without informing Hanners, assuming she could work her way back.

And obligatory D'AWW over Hanner's in panel 4.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Deadlywonky on 23 May 2011, 04:30
By the time you get there, they've drowned in the air and you can gut them easily.

Sorry to say, but the reason fish die is because air is not dense enough for most species to force the oxygen rich fluid over the gills, so technically they asphyxiate. Drowning refers specifically to water entering the lungs.

I love Hanners' expressions, but I think she might be overreacting slightly in this instance. i.e. to a man humanely dispatching of caught animals.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 23 May 2011, 04:40
OK, I thought it was me. 

Quote from: Jeph's Twitter
wtf, my justin.tv channel got closed

The banner I got when it happened was that it was a "terms of service" violation.  Someone responded that it may have been the bonercat sketches he makes when he takes a break...

I have several times (like this morning, in fact) had to go through a screen saying that the channel contained "adult content" - which is presumably allowed, or they wouldn't have that screen.  If bonercat is worse than adult content, I'm wondering what they think adult content is!

I notice also that the screen they display says "the community" has closed the channel, when of course, the account is with justin.tv, not the community; weasel words of some sort, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 May 2011, 04:45
It was, obviously, a joke.
Well, yeah.  I just wanted an excuse to use the word "unraptured".
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 23 May 2011, 05:29
I have to agree with Faye. Hanners' logic seems more... special than usual.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 23 May 2011, 05:47
I think Hanners is just trying to cover for inertia...

Somehow "I don't know him!  He could be  KNiFE KILLER!"  sounds better than "I don't know!  I didn't know where you guys went, or what was going on, so I just hung out, even though it was AWKWARD!"

It's just a case of good reason/real reason. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 23 May 2011, 05:48
I think Hanners was trying to play it cool and not make any sudden movements around the potential knife killer.

She may have been waiting for back up or who knows stay on camera, most retail stores have CCTV. So at least then she would not be a vicitm whlile on the premises.

Who knows! Hanners does not think like other folk.  
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: Akima on 23 May 2011, 07:41
On a separate note, glad to see you're all still here, and that I'm not the only heathen on the forum.   :roll:
What if they gave a Rapture and nobody came?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 23 May 2011, 09:07
Who knows! Hanners does not think like other folk. 

This is possibly the most accurate explanation ever.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Deadlywonky on 23 May 2011, 09:13
Maybe they did Akima,

Maybe they did.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 23 May 2011, 09:33
KILL GORE Trout, or: Vonnegut this fish for me?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 23 May 2011, 09:34
You're in fine form today.  That was hideous!

 :angel:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: The Duke on 23 May 2011, 10:17
<big ol' snip>
If you are working in the fishing industry, you slice the underside open and scrape the insides out :-P .

That sounds like what a lot of industries do to a lot of people.

Oh, you were talking about fish.  Right.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 May 2011, 10:31
If you are working in the fishing industry, you slice the underside open and scrape the insides out :-P .

Knife goes in, guts come out!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: SirDudley on 23 May 2011, 10:43
RE: JTV: I think I know why Jeph got his channel sacked. It was probably licensed music. LordKaT ran into a similar problem, so he resorts to playing video game music and/or classical music to avoid that. Although, I'm amazed JTV didn't warn Jeph beforehand because LordKaT was given notice. Then again, JTV's moderation bots have been more hair-trigger-sensitive lately. My post in the L.A. Noire thread? I was referring to LordKaT who got his channel closed for 18-20 hours because he began streaming L.A. Noire's installation screen on the XBox 360. Jeph might as well check in with JTV about this problem and figure it all out.


RE: The comic: Well, Hanners gave Faye an aneurysm, and Elliot creeped out everyone by talking about killing fish. Yep, it's Monday in QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 23 May 2011, 11:15
so he resorts to playing [...] classical music to avoid that.

Funny how people don't think classical music has the same copyright constraints as anything else!  I recently had to check out performance rights for some music written in 1895 that was still in copyright.  And even if the music itself isn't in copyright, virtually any stereo recording is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 23 May 2011, 11:32
I think he was talking about the kind of stuff you can find over on musopen.org's music listings or whatever huge archives of public domain music are out there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Odal on 23 May 2011, 12:01
A few weeks later in QC time:

Elliot and Hanners are decent friends by this point.  One day Hanners wants to go visit TSB and catches a ride with Elliot.  When Elliot picks her up on his way to work, he realizes he forgot something at his place.  When they get to his place Hanners follows him in to see his living conditions.  He rents a house and it looks very nice on the outside.  Then as Hanners approaches, she notices a stick standing straight up in the yard.  On the tip of that stick is a fish head.  Elliot notices her shock and immediately explains that it's for the birds... They're his friends.

Then they go inside the house.  Inside is the strongest, worst smell ever- Rotten fish.  Elliot doesn't even think about it, as he is used to the smell.  Hanging from the ceiling are decorations of fishing string, fish hooks, and, of course, the guts of slaughtered fish hanging from the hooks.  Hanners is in deer-in-the-headlights panic mode now.  She's stunned.  She notices, out of the corner of her eye, the kitchen table covered with piles of dead fish.  Several of these fish with a knife sticking into the side of them.

Elliot walks over to the table and picks up a knife.  He turns around and looks at Hanners,

"What's wrong?"

Hanners doesn't hear anything.  She only sees Elliot staring at her... with a knife.  Her gag reflex kicks in at the same time her screaming and run-the-hell-away reflexes kick in.  She runs all the way home screaming, only stopping to dry heave along the way.  When she finally gets home she locks herself in her closet and never comes back out.

Elliot frowns, "But, it's more humane than bashing them against a rock."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 23 May 2011, 12:10
Here's the one I was looking for ...
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1674
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 May 2011, 12:54
Interesting how she finds it safer to be alone in a building with a possible knife killer than being on a public street with one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 23 May 2011, 13:16
Elliott The (Fish) Knife.     :-D

Well, it was bound to happen eventually - Hanners broke Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: sitnspin on 23 May 2011, 13:39
The real irony in Hanners being afraid of being knifed is that she has recurring dreams of a beat-boxing penis that tells her to kill all her friends with a knife. I sense a bit of projection going on.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: SirDudley on 23 May 2011, 14:22
Elliott The (Fish) Knife.     :-D

Well, it was bound to happen eventually - Hanners broke Faye.
Doesn't quite have the same ring as "Mack the Knife"....

I think he was talking about the kind of stuff you can find over on musopen.org's music listings or whatever huge archives of public domain music are out there.
Yes, that is what I meant. The public domain classical music stuff.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LoveJaneAusten on 23 May 2011, 14:40
There is something distinctly uncomfortable (and not in a humorous way) about Hannelore not having the wherewithal to do anything but stand there waiting for Faye. "Hanners is awkward" is a pretty well-worn punchline, but today's was more like "Hanners is infantilized".
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: JohnTheWysard on 23 May 2011, 14:40
On a separate note, glad to see you're all still here, and that I'm not the only heathen on the forum.   :roll:
What if they gave a Rapture and nobody came?
More to the point, what if they gave a Rapture and nobody left?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 23 May 2011, 15:12
There is something distinctly uncomfortable (and not in a humorous way) about Hannelore not having the wherewithal to do anything but stand there waiting for Faye. "Hanners is awkward" is a pretty well-worn punchline, but today's was more like "Hanners is infantilized".

Well the first panel of 1925 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1925) implies that Faye and Padma are leaving right then without saying a word to Hanners or Elliott. Since they didn't give them a specific time frame when they'd be back, Hannelore's in a bit of an awkward position. If she tried to go back after Faye'd been gone awhile, she'd run the risk of either missing her at CoD, or running into Faye on her  way back, which would also end in awkwardness. So really, it's a case of being stuck somewhere because your friends weren't specific enough about when they'd be back.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Coolfusis on 23 May 2011, 15:36
I'm gonna agree with iduguphergrave, on Hanners not wanting to leave because she didn't know when Faye or Padma would return. It would be as though one of your friends suddenly got up to run to their house and get something. You know they're returning, but you don't know when, so you're faced with a choice: go after them, which would be kinda weird (after all, they could be coming right back, in which case you look really clingy), or wait there until they return, which is what Hanners did.

It really makes sense when you consider Hanner's tendency to over analyze, and the behaviors of people with social anxiety. If put in the same spot, I'd probably wait right there for awhile, seeing if they came back, before I'd text/call. Someone with severe anxiety might not want to even do that, for fear their friends would think them too clingy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Nick and Marla on 23 May 2011, 16:34
Faye and etc. came back so obviously that was plan. They figured shed be cool waiting. Wasn't. Lead to comic. Overanalyzing is cool too I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Sorflakne on 23 May 2011, 18:40
Gonna have to disagree with Elliot.  Ever tried properly flaying a fish that's flopping around?  Yeah...much easier to crack 'em on the head with a rock or a hammer and then start flaying.

Or just put 'em on ice in the back of your truck and drive home.  By the time you get there, they've drowned in the air and you can gut them easily.
Eh, only about 95% true.  I've seen a few fish that have sat on open ice for 10+ hours (we take ice fishing seriously in Minnesota) start to twitch once they've thawed after being brought into a warm room for flaying.  Granted, they're not jumping off the block, but seeing a 20+ inch half frozen fish suddenly go U-shape as it's being flayed will surprise anyone.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011
Post by: tomart on 23 May 2011, 19:35
What if they gave a Rapture and nobody came?


We Have a Winner of The Interwebs!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 23 May 2011, 21:42
How will this little "business deal" go for our heroes?

Mega successful. We're talking Starbucks here.    - 3 (3.9%)
Complete and total disaster.    - 4 (5.2%)
It'll get tiring after a while, and Jeph will move on to something else.    - 21 (27.3%)
Pintsize will screw it up somehow.    - 3 (3.9%)
Cosette will burn BOTH places down.    - 12 (15.6%)
Jim's ex will show up and demand half.    - 9 (11.7%)
Tai will continue to awkwardly hit on Dora.    - 14 (18.2%)
Marten and Dora will reconcile - awkwardly.    - 5 (6.5%)
Waffles?    - 6 (7.8%)

Total Voters: 77
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: snubnose on 23 May 2011, 23:52
No Hanners ? :-(

Then Raven ! :-D

*holds up a big "WE WANT RAVEN BACK!" shield*
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 May 2011, 00:36
Wow. Something funnier than keeping it ambiguous. I did not think it possible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: MightionNY on 24 May 2011, 00:41
Yay!  Pizza Girl!  Now we can have a story line about Penelope's long-lost twin sister that she never knew she had!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: nonethousand on 24 May 2011, 00:45
Yay!  Pizza Girl!  Now we can have a story line about Penelope's long-lost twin sister that she never knew she had!
Yay!  :laugh: :laugh:

...and Faye is showing a three-button cleavage! :-D :evil: :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: MightionNY on 24 May 2011, 00:58
Heh... after reading the strip again, I gotta say, panel 4 would make an awesome print or some other form of merch-based object. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tova on 24 May 2011, 01:10
“Bad Stuff Happens To Hanners And Marigold Daily.”

Maybe that could be a spin-off?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Shok Xone Studios on 24 May 2011, 01:48
I haven't posted in ages, and did so now simply to say BEST. COMEBACK. EVER.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 01:58
She always thought Faye and Dora were just fucking with her.







also:

PIZZA GIRL!!!!!11!!11!!!!

That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Hebes on 24 May 2011, 02:01
At long last, one of the great questions of QC has been answered with a resounding "No, but the resemblance is uncanny!"

It's really funny, because I read that newsarama interview last night before he started drawing (he posted the link on his twitter) and I was like "nah, no way Jeph will actually put Pizza Girl in the next comic." Apparently I was wrong!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Somebody on 24 May 2011, 02:06
"Yer not gonna throw me off your trail that easily" = Faye had forgotten all about How Penelope Came To Work At CoD.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 02:07
At long last, one of the great questions of QC has been answered with a resounding "No, but the resemblance is uncanny!"

It's really funny, because I read that newsarama interview last night before he started drawing (he posted the link on his twitter) and I was like "nah, no way Jeph will actually put Pizza Girl in the next comic." Apparently I was wrong!

Either that, or Penelope is having a dissociative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) episode.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 24 May 2011, 02:20
This was a brilliant way to start the day for me. Brilliant brick joke.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dust on 24 May 2011, 02:38
What do you think the likelihood of Jeph working the non-rapture into today's comic is?

Doppelgangers are emerging, does that count?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pendrake on 24 May 2011, 02:50
For comic #1932...

1. Yay for Pizza Girl.  Though I think I liked her better with the bandanna-mask over the domino-mask 8-) .

2. Yay for mind-blown Penelope.  Wonder if Wil saw the two girls together as well?

3. Yay for Faye's cleavage :evil: .  Perhaps Jeph was feeling a bit frisky as well as anxiety...?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 24 May 2011, 03:13
It would be cool if Will saw her as well so Faye could believe Penelope.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 24 May 2011, 03:44
It would be cool if Will saw her as well so Faye could believe Penelope.
As if that would make the slightest difference to Faye. This would be solidly in the "Pics or it didn't happen" category to the Pugnacious Peach.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 03:49
Actually, pics would be pretty easy to fake...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 24 May 2011, 03:53
True, just take two photos of Penelope in the relevant clothes and smush them together. That would then raise questions for why she had a Pizza Girl costume.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blackjoker on 24 May 2011, 04:02
Hmm, perhaps the one eaten by an Allosauras has in fact become Pizza Girl...maybe a return? Nah, probably not, but the speculation is fun.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 24 May 2011, 04:09
Pizza Girl, use your crimefighting superheroine knowledge and encourage PenPen to have a word with her apartment manager. A main door that opens outward, so that the hinge pins are on the outside where miscreants and evildoers can get at them, is a really bad idea.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: nonethousand on 24 May 2011, 04:22
It would be cool if Will saw her as well so Faye could believe Penelope.
I'm not sure Will could be considered a reliable witness after the black eye incident (http://"http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1883") :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 24 May 2011, 04:33
Maybe they did Akima,

Maybe they did.

(click to show/hide)

Too late
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tetrinity on 24 May 2011, 04:48
The Pizza Girl comic made me giggle far more than it ought to have done. The beat between panels three and four is just perfect.

A few weeks later in QC time:

...

So did this, for that matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Thiefree on 24 May 2011, 04:58
FIVE YEARS. FIVE YEARS this has been coming. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=698#)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 24 May 2011, 05:13
Personally, I thought it would be funnier to have Wil answer the door - then double take. 

But this worked pretty well! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Black Sword on 24 May 2011, 06:45
Well, damn. Totally wasn't expecting that. Pizza Girl mini-arc?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 24 May 2011, 06:59
But without a reliable witness or other substantial evidence, did it really happen?

Pen-Pen has been known to get into hyperbole: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1437 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1437)

Even Wil commented on it.

Personally, I don't believe her. Penelope == Pizza Girl!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 24 May 2011, 07:20
Personally, I thought it would be funnier to have Wil answer the door - then double take. 

But this worked pretty well! 

Or: Wil answers the door, says "Okay, geez, I get it! I'll pick up a better-paying job as soon as I can!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 24 May 2011, 07:35
Wil answers the door, thinks he sees Penelope. A minute or so later, goes into kitchen or whereever with pizza, sees Penelope, asks how she got changed so fast. Nobody believes Penelope, including Wil.

OR:

Penelope is Pizza Girl. That's an impostor at the door, one of many. Coming up: "QC: The Dark Knight."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 24 May 2011, 07:46
Coming up: "QC: The Pepperoni Knight."

FYP

 :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 24 May 2011, 07:47
Or it could be Loony Tunes physics:

Anybody else remember the Foghorn Leghorn cartoon where he is playing hide-and-seek with Egghead Jr. Foghorn hides in the wood box and is found in a hole that Egghead digs? Foghorn then goes to look in the woodbox but stops, commenting that he just might be in there?

Well, what if he was? THEN! we have the solution to the Penelope  and Pizza Girl mystery!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 24 May 2011, 08:24
Schrodinger's Pizza Girl? No, wait, that takes us back to the Milholland crossover, or maybe the Slauson Cutoff ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 24 May 2011, 08:35
Oh, and it looks like the Rapture has been pushed out to October, so Jeph might have enough time to work the comic around to making a relevant joke in-comic if he wanted to (in the form of a post-rapture failure bloc party with summertime fun and the first Deathmole gig, even).
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 24 May 2011, 08:40
Schrodinger's Pizza Girl? No, wait, that takes us back to the Milholland crossover, or maybe the Slauson Cutoff ...

Gah! You make my brain hurt!

I LOL'd on the Shrodinger's reference.

The crossover kinda fits here.

I'm not seeing how an incomplete bureaucratic nightmare of an almost-highway is funny in this context.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 24 May 2011, 08:45
JustinTV...

Sucks.    - 6 (18.8%)
Inhales Voluminously.    - 4 (12.5%)
Is really petty about stuff.    - 1 (3.1%)
Is really run by Pintsize.    - 0 (0%)
needs to be run through with a knoife.    - 4 (12.5%)
Is completely clueless.    - 4 (12.5%)
Even more so than Padma.    - 0 (0%)
...or Raven.    - 7 (21.9%)
Waffles and steak.    - 6 (18.8%)

Total Voters: 32

There is no "winner" in this poll, only the losers over at justin.tv.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 24 May 2011, 09:02
No, the reall winners got waffles and steak.

Not necessarily at the same time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ink slinger on 24 May 2011, 09:50
Quote
...and Faye is showing a three-button cleavage! :-D :evil: :psyduck:
I generally try to stay away from commenting on this sort of thing but, honestly, I couldn't help but find myself thinking: That's a lot of open buttons for work!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 24 May 2011, 09:57
You haven't been in some of the workplaces I have. Some offices I've worked at some of the women come in dressed more for the club than the office. I guess it's because they're going clubbing after work, but still, they couldn't be bothered to bring a change of clothes?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 24 May 2011, 10:46
I wish some of the women where I worked would dress like that.

Some of them, not all of them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 24 May 2011, 10:56
[SlightMisquote] "Only the true Pizza Girl would deny her identity." [/SlightMisquote]     :-D


Faye is probably wearing a skimpy Bikini Top under the shirt.  ;)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 24 May 2011, 10:59
You haven't been in some of the workplaces I have. Some offices I've worked at some of the women come in dressed more for the club than the office. I guess it's because they're going clubbing after work, but still, they couldn't be bothered to bring a change of clothes?
Some women are looking to collect more than a paycheck..
---------
I think Jeph is just trying to show that Faye 'loosening up' after years of being extremly uptight over everything...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 24 May 2011, 11:07
Or, she forgot to do laundry and had to borrow one of Marten's shirts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 May 2011, 11:30
Huh, Penelope's and Pizza Girl's respective hair looks unusually flat in panel 3...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ChicagoTed on 24 May 2011, 11:34
Is it wrong that my favorite part of the strip was "Mo' Chaucer"?

I guess that's what I get for studying Medieval Lit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 24 May 2011, 11:38
No, not wrong.

Just be prepared to join the ranks of us weird ones.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 24 May 2011, 11:41
You haven't been in some of the workplaces I have. Some offices I've worked at some of the women come in dressed more for the club than the office. I guess it's because they're going clubbing after work, but still, they couldn't be bothered to bring a change of clothes?
Some women are looking to collect more than a paycheck..
---------
I think Jeph is just trying to show that Faye 'loosening up' after years of being extremly uptight over everything...

Maybe she knows Angus is gonna come in later and just wants to look.....good for him  :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: SirDudley on 24 May 2011, 13:12
Faye is probably wearing a skimpy Bikini Top under the shirt.  ;)
*nosebleed*
.....Bikini top....three buttons open.....heh...
*AHEM*
Oh, Penelope...just give it up already. You are only digging your grave further. Go back to reading Mo' Chaucer, 'kay?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blyss on 24 May 2011, 14:39
You haven't been in some of the workplaces I have. Some offices I've worked at some of the women come in dressed more for the club than the office. I guess it's because they're going clubbing after work, but still, they couldn't be bothered to bring a change of clothes?

^^Same as this - but I worked at a Goodyear tire factory, on the graveyard shift.  They were dressed ready for the club, in high heels sometimes, and all they were doing was standing around a tire factory all night...

I've never understood that.


:psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cartilage Head on 24 May 2011, 19:05
I wish some of the women where I worked would dress like that.

Some of them, not all of them.

 Yeah, some of them are totes ugly. Ugly people don't have any right to try to feel attractive or self-confident, but sexy people should dress as sexily as possible at all times.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 24 May 2011, 20:45
A main door that opens outward, so that the hinge pins are on the outside where miscreants and evildoers can get at them, is a really bad idea.
Jeph obviously drew it like that, because a normal left-hinged, inward-opening front door would have hidden the (surprisingly sparsely-filled for a two-bookworm household) bookshelf, and eliminated the Chaucer joke. But yes, I don't think I've ever seen a front door that opened outwards.

A fine "brick joke" as someone pointed out earlier, and it's nice to see new-art Pizza Girl.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 21:00
Two broke bookworms.

There's always the library, but they like it when you return those.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 24 May 2011, 21:24
A main door that opens outward, so that the hinge pins are on the outside where miscreants and evildoers can get at them, is a really bad idea.
Jeph obviously drew it like that, because a normal left-hinged, inward-opening front door would have hidden the (surprisingly sparsely-filled for a two-bookworm household) bookshelf, and eliminated the Chaucer joke. But yes, I don't think I've ever seen a front door that opened outwards.

A fine "brick joke" as someone pointed out earlier, and it's nice to see new-art Pizza Girl.

There are actually outward swinging doors that have hinges designed to not be able to open it by taking out the pins. Either by having irremovable pins or safety studs built into them. Safety studs interlock the two hinges together when the door is fully closed so that even without the pins, its impossible to remove the door.

Yes, this is related to my job and is why I know these things. >_>
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 24 May 2011, 21:26
It also could be that the door isn't the main door...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Sorflakne on 24 May 2011, 21:27
There can only be two possible explanations for today's comic:

1. Penelope has a long lost twin, and that twin is really Pizza Girl.

2. Pen-Pen actually is Pizza Girl, but the Penny we've seen for years is actually a clone (or possibly an android) that had Penny's memories implanted into her, and she's been living for years assuming she's the real deal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 May 2011, 21:32
3. Penelope "Pizza Girl" Gaines made this story up to try to throw Faye off her trail.  (It didn't work)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 24 May 2011, 21:35
4. The "Pizza Girl" in that comic is in fact an automaton developed by Faye in secret to make Penelope, the true Pizza Girl, doubt her own memories as unbeknown to the rest of the cast, Faye is actually a supervillain.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 21:46
5. Two words: Time. Warp.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mad Cat on 24 May 2011, 21:49
I thought is was "Pizza Avenger" not "Pizza Girl"... or am I confusing her with the "Vespa Avenger"?

Snorflakne: That would have to be one helluva android if even Will couldn't tell. I mean, even Hanner-dad's Robotic Boyfriend Trainer knew which side of the Uncanny Valley it was on.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: redragon5000 on 24 May 2011, 21:53
4. The "Pizza Girl" in that comic is in fact an automaton developed by Faye in secret to make Penelope, the true Pizza Girl, doubt her own memories as unbeknown to the rest of the cast, Faye is actually a supervillain.
You mean they haven't figured it out yet?   :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: nonethousand on 24 May 2011, 22:30
5. Two words: Time. Warp.
It's just a jump to the left.. 8-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blackjoker on 24 May 2011, 22:44
Huh, Penelope's and Pizza Girl's respective hair looks unusually flat in panel 3...

Maybe shock induced hair fatigue?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Deadlywonky on 24 May 2011, 23:31
Put your hands on your hips


Damn it, that song is stuck in my head AGAIN

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 24 May 2011, 23:42
Then my work here is done.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 24 May 2011, 23:49
A main door that opens outward, so that the hinge pins are on the outside where miscreants and evildoers can get at them, is a really bad idea.

I've seen plenty of outward-facing front doors in Norway - something to do with not bringing the snow in to fall on the floor inside the house.  And who uses hinges with removable pins on normal doors?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: guayec on 24 May 2011, 23:58
oh shiiii  :psyduck:

also: how i hate you, tai
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: CompSarge on 25 May 2011, 00:01
Well, at least she's honest...right?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 25 May 2011, 00:06
And Marten demonstrates industrial-strength cluelessness and/or self-absorbtion...  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 25 May 2011, 00:11
I can't see how this could end well for Tai and Marten. I don't really like the thought of Dora/Tai.,
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 May 2011, 00:13
It's not like Tai's reaction to Dora is a secret, though Marten might believe Tai was joking since he doesn't know about the gastric lepidoptera.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 25 May 2011, 00:28
Today's strip = controversial. Tia is so messing with my qc mojo. Dislike this party idea its going to be horrific. I figure if Tia gets close with Dora it will be a rebound thing or an attempt by Dora to be imature and hurt Martin. Not good either way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tova on 25 May 2011, 00:37
Well, at least she's honest...right?

If we exclude the last panel, sure.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Grantzilla on 25 May 2011, 00:45
What sort of wood should we use for the stake with which to burn Tai at after this party debacle? Pine? Oak? Cypress?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Boomslang on 25 May 2011, 00:48
I'm actually liking where this is going.

If Tai is open and honest with Marten, and I think she wants to be, this could be a good way of keeping the social circle together and convincing Marten that he needn't feel guilty or uncomfortable moving on.

Or it could be a unmitigated, hilarious disaster, with delicious drama to follow.

Either way, I'm down to watch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: St.Clair on 25 May 2011, 00:51
"I'm inviting you as a courtesy*.  I'm inviting her because I want in her pants."

* having apparently somehow not figured out yet that Marten will accept almost any amount of mistreatment or rudeness, and in the unlikely event he does complain or otherwise attempt to stand up for himself, it's not hard to crush or simply ignore him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 25 May 2011, 00:55
Man, I remember the first party my former wife and I went to after we broke up!  We had been invited as a couple, and both decided there was no reason for us not to go; first wife arrives with new (well, not so new, actually) partner - mega uncomfortable evening as ex glares daggers at me whenever I'm visible (but civilisation was not destroyed).
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 25 May 2011, 01:01
This could actually be cool, especially if Tai can finish up that "hey I uh would kind of like to date Dora, bro, I hope that's cool" line that Marten interrupted with his dumbassery

Tentative bro fist, Tai, keep doing the right thing
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: snubnose on 25 May 2011, 01:05
1933 ... VERY dark year for my country ... and after 6 more years, rest of the world joined the "fun".
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 25 May 2011, 01:06
Man, I remember the first party my former wife and I went to after we broke up!  We had been invited as a couple, and both decided there was no reason for us not to go; first wife arrives with new (well, not so new, actually) partner - mega uncomfortable evening as ex glares daggers at me whenever I'm visible (but civilisation was not destroyed).

This may be mega-awkward, but I don't think death-glares will be involved.  But the most awkward part isn't going to be Dora/Marten, it's going be watching Tai try to come on to Dora during the party (assuming Dora even accepts the invite).  After all, they're not a couple yet...

The body language makes it look like she was actually gonna ask permission, or at least make sure he's not too uncomfortable with the idea, which is a pretty mature move for someone like Tai.  
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cesariojpn on 25 May 2011, 01:13
Yeah, i've been to parties that have nearly died off until a Homicide occurs. Real ice breakers those.

Runner up has to be the "I'm Preggers" announcement to the whole party. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 25 May 2011, 01:17
So, apparently Tai wants to set up some kind of closure between Dora and Marten on neutral-ish ground... At least that's how I read it. It's coherent with her being after Dora but unwanting to make her moves too soon.

At first, before panel 3, I thought she was finally starting to throw single college girls at Marten, like I supposed she would (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26181.msg1021837.html#msg1021837). With Dora around, it would be very awkward, but I don't rule it out either: we're speaking of Tai, after all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 25 May 2011, 01:34
Would be one heckuva kick in the teeth to Tai if Dora asked if she could bring HER new "friend" along, or just shows up on said "friend"s (a guy of course) arm.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 25 May 2011, 01:54
We keep gaming this scenario out and Ziggy says that there's an 86% probability that Tai's going to get hurt.

Surprisingly, Dora isn't far behind with a 57% heartache rating, and Marten is only running about 13%, just slightly more than Pintsize (who has no heart)

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dust on 25 May 2011, 01:54
"The only thing is.."

Righhht.. apart from that whole other thing?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 25 May 2011, 02:09
All I know is that if a girl broke up with me because she was claimed she was too neurotic for a relationship to work... then started dating again after not a whole lot of time, I would not be in my happy place.

I'm really hoping Dora just lets Tai down gently. Trainwrecks are kind of awesome, but for once I'd like to see someone avoid one in the strip.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 25 May 2011, 02:16
This could actually be cool, especially if Tai can finish up that "hey I uh would kind of like to date Dora, bro, I hope that's cool" line that Marten interrupted with his dumbassery

Tentative bro fist, Tai, keep doing the right thing

"I'm going to try to seduce the woman you recently broke up with, in front of you, at a party I invited you to" is doing the right thing?!

If she's going to do that, the right thing to do is, in fact, to warn Marten that she's gonna do that

I think Tai might get her heart broken because lol Dora and lol Tai's romantic pedestal, but she's being honest with Marten about wanting to bone his ex, and if he thinks that seeing that will be Too Awkward he can go have scrabble night with Hanners or something

Or he can bring Steve and they can get drunk and confirm theories of Padma's Or he might meet a hot young college girl and have a fling

Or hell maybe he'll run into Raven
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 25 May 2011, 02:34
If she's going to do that, the right thing to do is, in fact, to warn Marten that she's gonna do that

...and then invite him along to watch?  Not cool, Tai (well, not cool going after your colleague's ex like that, especially when you've said you couldn't (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1778)).
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: John_Knee on 25 May 2011, 02:51
I'm not entirely sure why Tai would need to invite Martin, especially if she intends to invite Dora. I can't think of any social convention where Tai would need to invite Martin in order to invite Dora too. She could have just invited Dora and bypassed the need for Martin to go.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: nonethousand on 25 May 2011, 02:57
I'm not entirely sure why Tai would need to invite Martin, especially if she intends to invite Dora. I can't think of any social convention where Tai would need to invite Martin in order to invite Dora too. She could have just invited Dora and bypassed the need for Martin to go.

I think it's something  along the line of:

1) Martin is my friend.
2) IF I go to a party it would be bad manners NOT inviting him.
3) So I invite him, BUT I warn him that things might get awkward.

Now it's up to Martin to accept the awkwardness, or decline the invitation.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: idontunderstand on 25 May 2011, 03:34
Aaaagghh nooo Tai don't go there, don't go there...  :-o I can't believe this! :D This is the funniest plot twist ever.. however it travels dangerously near "beverly hills" territory. "My bisexual ex-girlfriend and my lesbian boss gets it on at a party to which the latter invited me ohhh my gooooooooooooooooooooooooood". Gosh I sound like a 14-year old don't I?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 25 May 2011, 03:56
I wish some of the women where I worked would dress like that.

Some of them, not all of them.

 Yeah, some of them are totes ugly. Ugly people don't have any right to try to feel attractive or self-confident, but sexy people should dress as sexily as possible at all times.

I was thinking specifically of the single ones, actually. I don't want the married ones prancing around in skimpy clothing, stirring up drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 25 May 2011, 04:00
Man there is a lot of assumption here about Tai's motivations and/or intellect. No, she's not inviting him to watch, she's inviting him to include him because they are friends

But she also realized "oh hey I kind of invited Dora and I would like to get my freak on with Dora"

And then she figured she should probably tell Marten, especially since that might affect his decision whether or not to go, and it's past fuckin time she was honest about her interest in Dora anyhow
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LeeC on 25 May 2011, 04:08
could be Tai's way of seeing if things are really over between Dora and Marten and/or give them some closure so that she can make her move without being a rebound.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 25 May 2011, 04:21
We keep gaming this scenario out and Ziggy says that there's an 86% probability that Tai's going to get hurt.

Surprisingly, Dora isn't far behind with a 57% heartache rating, and Marten is only running about 13%, just slightly more than Pintsize (who has no heart)



Which one is Sam this time?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 May 2011, 05:32
Trainwrecks are kind of awesome, but for once I'd like to see someone avoid one in the strip.

Pfft, yeah, like that isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blyss on 25 May 2011, 05:56
This.  This could be a delicious train wreck.   :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 25 May 2011, 06:44
Man there is a lot of assumption here about Tai's motivations and/or intellect. No, she's not inviting him to watch, she's inviting him to include him because they are friends

But she also realized "oh hey I kind of invited Dora and I would like to get my freak on with Dora"

And then she figured she should probably tell Marten, especially since that might affect his decision whether or not to go, and it's past fuckin time she was honest about her interest in Dora anyhow

No, look at her body language through the whole strip - slumped, with a strong sense of avoidance - awkwardness isn't a second thought to inviting Marten, she's going into it with that! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Black Sword on 25 May 2011, 07:06
This can't possibly end well. Actually, it's Marten. Nevermind, it'll end as usual.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 25 May 2011, 07:22
Tai's been pretty obvious about her interest in Dora, both to Marten and to Dora. But neither of them have taken it seriously.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cybit on 25 May 2011, 07:30
Based on what Tai has said earlier, there's no way Marten could think Tai is seriously interested in Dora.  Which means that Marten is thinking that "oh, well, she's wanting to make sure we're OK as friends", not "Tai wants to sleep with Dora."

Also, if Dora and Tai actually hook up, that makes both of them pretty crappy human beings.  Dora can't go "I can't handle a relationship" and then hook up with Tai, and Tai would be stabbing Marten in the back pretty hard here.  But, when it comes to romance (or lust, in this case), it's amazing how many friendships can be immediately disregarded in order to get what folks want. 

This is going to end so badly.  Soooo badly. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: sitnspin on 25 May 2011, 07:48
How is dating a friend's ex "stabbing him in the back"? Especially if she asks him first?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cybit on 25 May 2011, 07:51
There has been a distinct lack of direct "asking" so far.  If she flat out says "hey, I'm inviting Dora because I'm interested in her, but don't want to leave you out of it.." then it's not stabbing in the back (it's still kind of bad, IMO, but that's just me).  She knows Marten is clueless.  She knows darned well that she has to say what's going on, otherwise he won't expect it. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: sitnspin on 25 May 2011, 08:04
It seems that exactly what she is trying to do right now. I agree that she should give a heads up, just so he isn't caught off guard should anything come of it. However, I don't see anything wrong with dating someone a friend of yours dated.  Then again, I'm  lesbian from a place where the options for finding other ladies to date is pretty limited. If you weren't allowed to date someone a friend used to date, no one would be able to date anyone other than their first girlfriend.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 May 2011, 08:10
How is dating a friend's ex "stabbing him in the back"? Especially if she asks him first?

This was a point we talked about when we saw Tai kinda zeroing on Dora a couple of weeks ago (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1881). Despite several claims by Tai that she couldn't go after Dora because she was Marten's ex, we saw Tai go up to Dora and make some awkward conversation and leave with butterflies in her stomach. Naturally some saw it as Tai getting ready to stab Marten in the back.

Does someone need permission to date a friend's ex? No, of course not. Its more a question of how much of a good friend one considers themself, do they take the chance and potentially ruin a friendship by tearing open old wounds? Or do they take a couple of minutes to take their friend aside and ask what they think? Thats what Tai is doing here, so I see no back-stabbing, just Marten being oblivious and providing some facepalm material.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 25 May 2011, 08:50
Or it could be Tai trying to precipitate a bit of final closure between Dora and Marten by forcing them into the same room so that they have whatever talk they will eventually end up having, then freeing things up so she can move in afterwards.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Near Lurker on 25 May 2011, 08:51
In Marten's defense, Tai's specifically said that she wouldn't go after Dora if they broke up.

It seems that exactly what she is trying to do right now. I agree that she should give a heads up, just so he isn't caught off guard should anything come of it. However, I don't see anything wrong with dating someone a friend of yours dated.  Then again, I'm  lesbian from a place where the options for finding other ladies to date is pretty limited. If you weren't allowed to date someone a friend used to date, no one would be able to date anyone other than their first girlfriend.

That sounds like love-polyhedral Hell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jacjyd on 25 May 2011, 09:10
All I wanted to say is that seeing the TEH shirt again always makes me happy. :-) It's like an old friend!

I love that the characters in this strip don't wear the same outfit everyday.  Repeats just enough!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ink slinger on 25 May 2011, 09:11
I think it's something  along the line of:

1) Martin is my friend.
2) IF I go to a party it would be bad manners NOT inviting him.
3) So I invite him, BUT I warn him that things might get awkward.

Now it's up to Martin to accept the awkwardness, or decline the invitation.
You may be right, but I think that's some pretty faulty logic. Where is this "law of politeness" that says you absolutely must invite every single friend you have to a party that you're going to? I don't think it's rude at all to not invite Marten, especially since he won't know anyone other than Tai and, to make things awkward, Dora. If it was a party with all of Tai's and Marten's mutual friends, it'd be different, but this is a party that Marten has no real obvious reason to be invited to. Tai could have not mentioned it and no one would have been hurt. Instead, she's creating an awkward situation because...well, because she's Tai and that's what she does, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cybit on 25 May 2011, 09:46
Aye, if Tai hadn't specifically stated in the past she wouldn't go after Dora, that would be one thing.  But a) give them both some time out of respect and b) don't say things like that if you don't intend on keeping your word.  It feels almost manipulative if Tai wants them to talk so that she can make a move on Dora, and I'd pretty upset if a friend wanted me to reconcile with an ex so it's "less awkward" for them to make a move on her.  

The whole thing seems sketchy to me, and whenever something seems iffy, I always try to err on the side of caution instead of gusto.  What it'll come down to for me is can Tai just flat out 'fess up to what she wants, and how Marten feels about Tai's intended actions.  I've dated one girl who dated someone else in my social circle, but that was after he spent a month trying to hook us up, and I still was hesitant about the entire thing.  It just seems like a recipe for a lot of hurt feelings.  
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LoveJaneAusten on 25 May 2011, 09:55
Dora can't go "I can't handle a relationship" and then hook up with Tai,

Sure she can. Why not? Hooking up isn't the same thing as a relationship, even if that's what Tai's angling for.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: sitnspin on 25 May 2011, 10:03
I think Tai either didn't fully realize that she was interested in Dora romantically (as opposed to just finding her attractive) or else she was trying to convince herself she wasn't with that whole convo on not being able to date someone Martin jizzed in.

Maybe I am weird, but I have only dated one woman who I would have been upset with a friend for dating, and that's cos we were married.  Every other girl I have been with, I'd just be glad if she made my friend happy. Just because it didn't work be tween us, doesn't mean my friend shouldn't have a chance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Odal on 25 May 2011, 10:09
I'm not usually one to notice things like this, let alone complain about it, but the space between "cool" and the period was quite an eyesore :(
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cybit on 25 May 2011, 10:19
Ah, by hooking up I meant entering a relationship, I tend to use the two interchangeably sometimes.  Even then, I'd be more then a little pissed, just because I would question the sincerity of Dora's statements at that point.  If Dora had said "hey, it doesn't work between us", that'd be one thing, but my interpretation is that Dora said "I can't date anyone because I'm too effed up".  Important detail to me in that regard.  If Dora and Marten talk about it, and Dora's does the "hey, I feel better about dating, but it'd be too hard to date you again", then it's all good, because it is being open and honest with Marten about where they currently are.      

Once again, it depends on how Marten feels.  I'm just afraid Marten will take it on the chin, rather then stand up for himself.  He might see it the same was as many folks, which is, hey, if it makes Dora happy, go for it.  But he also might be a bit hurt, and resent it a bit, and hold it in...which leads to many, many bad things. 

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 25 May 2011, 10:20
What sort of wood should we use for the stake with which to burn Tai at after this party debacle? Pine? Oak? Cypress?

Birch. We have a LOT of excess birch tree wood up here in Northern Wisconsin for the pyre. ;)

This won't end well - but not in the way I think we expect.

We keep gaming this scenario out and Ziggy says that there's an 86% probability that Tai's going to get hurt.

Surprisingly, Dora isn't far behind with a 57% heartache rating, and Marten is only running about 13%, just slightly more than Pintsize (who has no heart)

So Dr. Beckett leaped into Marten, hey? (Ninja'd, but I don't care.)

Pizza Girl!

This proves it - she's not Penelope.    - 6 (9.4%)
Pics or it didn't happen.    - 27 (42.2%)
She doesn't look good with the new mask.    - 0 (0%)
Jeez, what kind of logo is THAT?    - 1 (1.6%)
Where can I get the "Mo' Chaucer" book?    - 9 (14.1%)
Wait - where'd her glasses come from?    - 1 (1.6%)
...and what's up with Faye's shirt?    - 6 (9.4%)
Do they have Pizza knoifes?    - 4 (6.3%)
Marigold's favorite: Beef Jerky Pizza.    - 2 (3.1%)
Pintsize probably has pictures.    - 7 (10.9%)
Wait - the door opens OUTWARD?    - 1 (1.6%)

Total Voters: 64
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 25 May 2011, 10:30
Separate post for this one:

Anyone have suggestions for a "What's going to happen at this party?" poll?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 25 May 2011, 10:31
Prediction: Dora stammers and flees, or manages to let Tai down gently. Either way, Tai is hurt. Marten, being Marten, offers comfort.
Other prediction: Something completely different will happen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Orbert on 25 May 2011, 10:33
I thought is was "Pizza Avenger" not "Pizza Girl"... or am I confusing her with the "Vespa Avenger"?

I can't find where anyone answered this one.  It has always been Pizza Girl.  She has the same initials as Penelope Gaines.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 25 May 2011, 10:41
Separate post for this one:

Anyone have suggestions for a "What's going to happen at this party?" poll?

We see next to none of it "on camera" - only Marten's entrance, followed by Dora's (could be reversed), their eyes meet - then cut to Monday when we get a week of Angus and Marigold discussing anime.

Because that would jsut fuel the boards for the weekend.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 25 May 2011, 10:54
It makes sense to me that Tai would invite Marten. It's a college party at the college he works at and they're friends. I do wonder if she's planning on just inviting Dora or the whole group of friends. Her phrasing suggests she was going to invite Dora either way.

I always took Tai saying ages ago about how she couldn't go out with Dora if she and Marten broke up as a half-joke. Considering her reason was Marten's Happy Batter first and appreciating their friendship second.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: fiery_explosion on 25 May 2011, 10:55
Tai is just one of those drama people that soak up drama like sponges, subconciously seaking it out. I know several people like this who jump from heart ache to betrayal to heart ache all the time.

I don't think she means for it to happen. It just sucks that our main heros are caught in it.

Yeah, the fact that the only two people Marten would know at the party are Tai and Dora makes it worse.

Also, potentially, Steve's ex, and his current gf. I think Colette is a Smiffer, right? So Steve could be there.

So yeah, polyhedron relationship hell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 25 May 2011, 11:19
Is it time yet for Dr. Corinne's thumbtacks and colored string?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 May 2011, 11:23
Is it time yet for Dr. Corinne's thumbtacks and colored string?

There aren't enough pins in the world.


As for a suggestion. Dora goes to the party, ditches Tai for one of the guys at the party. Marten still oblivious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 25 May 2011, 11:32
It's a Smif party - what guys?  (well, not Marten, in this scenario, obviously!). 

Oh, and to those who say Marten doesn't know anyone there - he works in the library, so of course he knows lots of them, at least in passing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 May 2011, 11:56
It's a Smif party - what guys?  (well, not Marten, in this scenario, obviously!). 

Wouldn't stop guys from other colleges showing up. Especially if it is a college town.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LeeC on 25 May 2011, 12:46
I always felt that Dora treated Tai more like a kid sister than a flirty possible love interest. But hey who knows we never really got the 411 on Dora about Tai. Just a lot of teasing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: SirDudley on 25 May 2011, 12:50
This.  This could be a delicious train wreck.   :evil:
It's QC. Would you expect any less?

Separate post for this one:

Anyone have suggestions for a "What's going to happen at this party?" poll?
-Waffles and Steak are the food choices for this BYOB
-JTV cancels the party
-Shame Orb crashes the party
-Dora and Marten have awkward reconciliation sex
-Shelby eats all the food

Those are my suggestions.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cuzsis on 25 May 2011, 12:59
I think it's something  along the line of:

1) Martin is my friend.
2) IF I go to a party it would be bad manners NOT inviting him.
3) So I invite him, BUT I warn him that things might get awkward.

Now it's up to Martin to accept the awkwardness, or decline the invitation.
You may be right, but I think that's some pretty faulty logic. Where is this "law of politeness" that says you absolutely must invite every single friend you have to a party that you're going to? I don't think it's rude at all to not invite Marten, especially since he won't know anyone other than Tai and, to make things awkward, Dora. If it was a party with all of Tai's and Marten's mutual friends, it'd be different, but this is a party that Marten has no real obvious reason to be invited to. Tai could have not mentioned it and no one would have been hurt. Instead, she's creating an awkward situation because...well, because she's Tai and that's what she does, I guess.

 Pretty much this.

 Tia has never invited Martin to a party before, or felt that she needed to.

 Why now? Especially since she obviously doesn't want to.

Sure, she has a crush on Dora, so inviting her makes sense. Martin? Unless she's planning to invite Faye, Hanners et all, that really doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's actually planning some shinanigans with Dora and planning to get Martins okay somehow (not exactly sure what the line 'exact opposite' meant myself...)

/maybe I missed something earlier.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: NotForsaken on 25 May 2011, 13:12
Just an important observation, the drawing of Tai in this comic is some of the best I've see from Jeph. Really stepped it up this time
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 25 May 2011, 13:46
Nothing says a College Party than a little murder and mayhem.   :-D


I think Tai is just after a 'Seal of Approval' from Dora's ex (Marten) to make her move on Dora.

It should prove interesting - or cringeworthy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: The Duke on 25 May 2011, 14:01
I'm not usually one to notice things like this, let alone complain about it, but the space between "cool" and the period was quite an eyesore :(

I didn't see it until you pointed it out, and now I can't unsee it.  Thanks a lot, asshole.

Just kidding, I probably won't read the current strip again after tomorrow's is posted anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Near Lurker on 25 May 2011, 15:11
Sure, she has a crush on Dora, so inviting her makes sense. Martin? Unless she's planning to invite Faye, Hanners et all, that really doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's actually planning some shinanigans with Dora and planning to get Martins okay somehow (not exactly sure what the line 'exact opposite' meant myself...)

/maybe I missed something earlier.

I think the point is that she wants to invite Marten so that he'll be there when she makes her move on Dora, so that she doesn't feel she's going behind his back.  After all, you know what they say, "a friend is one who stabs you in the front."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Boomslang on 25 May 2011, 15:11
So I had a thought...

Faye is ostensibly Marten's friend, and vice versa.

Faye knows, for sure, that Tai wants to get with Dora. Not the details, but the intent.

Is it just me, or is it kind of Faye's responsibility to make sure Marten isn't totally unaware of this potential?

Not that she should be blabbing Tai's confessions to everybody, but this could be important. And what if she doesn't tell him, but he later finds out she knew?

That'd put most friendships on the rocks.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 25 May 2011, 15:43
Is it just me, or is it kind of Faye's responsibility to make sure Marten isn't totally unaware of this potential?
It's high time Marten took some responsibility for himself, and turned his clue-engine on. The last two panels of 1933 made me want to smack him. I mean, hello, is anybody home? Body language, facial expression, tone of voice? They exist for a reason.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 25 May 2011, 15:54
Or maybe the thought hadn't even crossed his mind because he really doesn't care about that and he wouldn't go ballistic like everyone seems to think he would.

I'm not saying I think that's what will happen, it's just interesting that no one's brought up the possibility of Marten sincerely not being pissed if Tai made a move on Dora. I mean, he is pretty malleable, and he seems like he's genuinely getting over her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 25 May 2011, 16:09
and he seems like he's genuinely getting over her.

And I think that would be something that would piss off a lot of people in the QC-verse, just that the idea that he has moved on, and leaving the relationship where it belongs, in the past. I think Marten is far more resiliant than a lot of people give him credit for. Yes, he has mourned the relationship. Yes, he's done the get drunk and become a bloody jerkass. But he has moved on, he isn't wallowing in self pity as much as others have done before him (We're looking at you Steve, Sven and Faye). Hell, the guy even took the first step to try and rebuild his friendship with Dora by going to C.o.D., now granted that failed, but that was a huge step for Marten.

Even when Vicki broke up with him, Marten was able to build a new life for himself, in a strange city, with no friends (well, maybe that one person that let him sleep on the couch), while some people would have gone back home to Mom or Dad. Marten is a survivor, he just isn't what some of us expect a survivor to be like.

As for his being clueless, he is either (a) really that clueless, (b) messing with Tai, (c) really hasn't thought of the possibilty of Tai going for Dora or (d) believes that Dora might actually let Tai down gently and doesn't want to discourage Tai, believeing that she might see it as him being a possessive git. People have to make their own mistakes to learn the lesson properly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Thiefree on 25 May 2011, 16:20
I know people like Tai. She, like the rest of humanity, is just trying to do the right thing.

I doubt Tai+Dora will happen though. Dora's a bit too damaged right now; if/when she does move on it will be with somebody new and outside the current group. If she's got any sense.

And I've always got the impression that Tai's interest in Dora was very one-sided. On the other hand, this did happen (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1249)...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LeeC on 25 May 2011, 17:42
So I had a thought...

Faye is ostensibly Marten's friend, and vice versa.

Faye knows, for sure, that Tai wants to get with Dora. Not the details, but the intent.

Is it just me, or is it kind of Faye's responsibility to make sure Marten isn't totally unaware of this potential?

Not that she should be blabbing Tai's confessions to everybody, but this could be important. And what if she doesn't tell him, but he later finds out she knew?

That'd put most friendships on the rocks.
chances are Marten is going to tell faye about the party and that Tai invited hm and that Dora will be there, and then Faye will spill the beans so to speak.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Near Lurker on 25 May 2011, 19:15
That, or more likely, Marten will realize what Tai meant, or she'll tell him, in the very first line of tomorrow's strip, and they'll talk it over like reasonable adults.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 May 2011, 20:27
Ha, it's weird thinking of that as "a few weeks" considering in real time it was two years.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ecstaticjoy on 25 May 2011, 20:38
1932:
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: reboundstudent on 25 May 2011, 21:16
Ya know, Tai and Dora hooking up and Marten either giving the seal of approval/not really caring would piss me off for a couple of reasons.

1) I really really don't like the Tai/Dora pairing.
2) Dora has spent the last few comics she's been in being pretty chill, relaxed, and reserved. That's the Dora I really liked... her going back into a hook-up/relationship so soon would mean we're back to Dora's Relationship Issues, even if it's only her getting over them. But come on... dating Marten's boss? Even for someone who is getting to a good place with therapy, this would be a recipe for falling right back off the wagon.
3) I'm glad to see Marten resilient and all, and I certainly am glad to see no whining or drunk JerkAss.... but sometimes it seems like he got over the stage moved on pretty damn fast. Granted, hard to tell strip time, but I'm gathering maybe a few weeks? A month? And even moving on to the point where he can check out other girls and be friendly with Dora, for him to just say "cool whatever" to his boss hooking up with his ex suggest either a huge passage of time, or that he didn't really care in the first place. If you really cared and valued your relationship with an ex, shouldn't some residue of those feelings still be there in the time frame we're talking about?

I say this preparing to get flamed, but it always bothered me that Dora seemed to bare the brunt of the blame for the break-up with her issues, and yet... did Marten really demonstrate very strongly that he cared about her? Sure he liked her, but his love seemed to be of the passive, "why not?" variety. He didn't appear anywhere near as into her as he was with Faye, and it seems that post break-up, he got drunk one night, was kind of a jerk for one day, and then boom, over it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: BlueMark on 25 May 2011, 21:43
Tai is being perfectly obvious about her interest in Dora - to anyone paying attention (which seems to mean Faye and no one else). I'd say she is looking for approval from Marten, but doesn't realize that as a guy Marten is immune to nuance and needs to be asked simply and directly without any circumspection.

A two by four might help. 

Marten is a reasonably smart and sensitive guy, but guys get confused by circumlocutions and indirect questions - they know something else is going on, but have been burned enough times not to even try to guess, so they just go with the most literal interpretation.

Which brings up an interesting observation - Padma seems to be more like a guy in her obliviousness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mad Cat on 25 May 2011, 21:57
It's just fun and games until the homicide detectives show up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Grantzilla on 25 May 2011, 22:05
My disgust(and yes I chose that word very carefully) with Tai's behavior simply stems from 2 points.

1. As Marten's boss and to a lesser extent his friend, I find it borderline tyrannical that she would go after his ex (smoking hot though she may be). It's unprofessional and uncool.

2. If she does indeed claim victory over Las Loins De la Dora,  I'm willing to bet money on the 95% probability that Marten let his bottom lip quiver and walk away with his tail tucked instead of confronting someone on their crappy behavior.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cesariojpn on 25 May 2011, 22:22
I doubt Tai+Dora will happen though.

From a few weeks before the breakup:

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/daschakal/1250.png)

フフフ

Well, Liquor and some recreational drugs can fix that......
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: tomart on 25 May 2011, 22:33
What if this is Tai exposing Marten to all those available Smifettes, like I hoped would happen by now?  The Dora angle just makes it more dramalicious; what if Dora sees him surrounded by eager beavers?  Maybe Tai thinks that would get her off the guilt hook... This party could have 13 kinds of drama, boosted and complicated by recreational substances.   :psyduck:


Tai ... is looking for approval from Marten, but doesn't realize that as a guy Marten is immune to nuance and needs to be asked simply and directly without any circumspection.

A two by four might help.  

Marten is a reasonably smart and sensitive guy, but guys get confused by circumlocutions and indirect questions - they know something else is going on, but have been burned enough times not to even try to guess, so they just go with the most literal interpretation.

This is retreading old forum ground, but many of us guys readily verify this;  it's SO nice  your  brains are at home processing devious, indirect, vague hints and concealed intents, but the genders really do think, feel, and talk differently.*  Just say what you mean, please??

* I could provide a bibliography if you care.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Grantzilla on 25 May 2011, 22:51
2. If she does indeed claim victory over Las Loins De la Dora,,,

An excellent objectification!

My disgust (and yes I chose that word very carefully) with Tai's behavior...

Again, I imagine a lot of the animosity against Tai in this instance stems from unhealthy controlling and possessive expectations in relationships. All the more evident here, since Marten and Dora are no longer in a relationship. People should move on, and stop theorizing about whether or not Marten's manhood will "quiver" at the thought of his ex ending up with a friend.

Especially since that kind of erotic fanfiction is not tolerated on these boards!

First of all: Thank you :evil:

Second of all: I use the word "disgust" because I'm not angry, sad, disappointed, or heartbroken. I'm just kind of queasy about this whole thing. If Tai and Marten were just friends, it probably wouldn't bother me nearly as much. But the fact that they actually work together closely in a "professional" (and I use the term loosely) setting makes it kind of a double no-no in my book.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LeeC on 25 May 2011, 22:55
Like when Bullock dated Haley on American dad.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dust on 25 May 2011, 23:12
and it seems that post break-up, he got drunk one night, was kind of a jerk for one day, and then boom, over it.

There was a time-skip, don't forget.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: CompSarge on 25 May 2011, 23:58
Dora dun goof'd!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 26 May 2011, 00:05
How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Dr. ROFLPWN on 26 May 2011, 00:05
Good going, Dora, good going
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 26 May 2011, 00:12
Ummmmmm

Megaoops Dora.  Not the best way to start a business agreement.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Wagimawr on 26 May 2011, 00:16
Dora dun goof'd!  :psyduck:
COFFEE OF DOOM WILL NEVER BE THE SAME (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jessi-slaughter)

How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
Probably by drinking coffee.  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tova on 26 May 2011, 00:20
How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
Probably by drinking coffee.  :lol:

And given that Dora's likely to be handing a good amount of CoD's coffee beans over to make things right, I daresay Dora's going to be feeling sleepy all morning.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 26 May 2011, 00:23
Megaoops Dora.  Not the best way to start a business agreement.
Yes. Dora seems out-of-character screwing up like that. If she was that disorganised, she wouldn't be able to run a business at all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 May 2011, 00:29
Agreed. I wonder if there's something on her mind that we don't know about.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Nimrod on 26 May 2011, 00:31
Her hair was apparently just as concerned as she, it jumped too. :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tova on 26 May 2011, 01:23
Agreed. I wonder if there's something on her mind that we don't know about.

The stuff we already know about might be enough to keep her at least a bit distracted.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 26 May 2011, 02:00
Apparently Dora forgot her morning shot of expresso. It would have jump-started her brain and hopefully avoided this embarrassing gaffe.

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 02:35
Maybe, maybe not.  I find caffeine to be a double edged sword - it wakes me up fine, but a little too much and I have a hard time concentrating - I get a bit ADD, jumping from one thing to another, and forgetting several along the way. 

Then I get crabby about it. 

...aaaand that's why I drink black tea, not coffee. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 26 May 2011, 02:48
Since roasting beans is a time consuming process, she probably meant to have done it the night before, and now that they are to be delivered, she's gonna be short.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 26 May 2011, 04:58
I think Jim's delivery charge just went up 10%
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 26 May 2011, 05:01
It's entirely possible that she's just that scatterbrained before her morning espresso and has the beans ready but just totally blanked that she was supposed to fork 'em over now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 26 May 2011, 05:05
From someone who has had to cover his own and other's asses from time-to-time.

1) Give Jim 80-90% of your own current inventory
2) Get roasting NOW to rebuild inventory
3) Deliver the balance of Jim's order around lunchtime.
4) Set up a reminder system that you have to produce enough to cover 2 stores from now on....

Not hard. But it took several incedents to work out the basic formula.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 May 2011, 05:10
expresso
Damn it, why do people think this is a word?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 26 May 2011, 05:11
It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 26 May 2011, 05:12
expresso
Damn it, why do people think this is a word?
Because it is halffast  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 26 May 2011, 05:24
It's entirely possible that she's just that scatterbrained before her morning espresso and has the beans ready but just totally blanked that she was supposed to fork 'em over now.

Oh, come on, now. How long have you been reading this comic?

It is obviously going to be the worst case scenario where she not only didn't roast beans for Jim, she didn't even roast beans for her own store that day.

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blackjoker on 26 May 2011, 05:29
It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Black Sword on 26 May 2011, 06:16
It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....

You beat me to it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 26 May 2011, 06:22
It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....

She'll return Jim's baked goods and tell him to forget it, it's too much trouble?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 26 May 2011, 06:50
Move your... coffee beans... to the belt!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 26 May 2011, 07:13
I enjoy the use of hair as an expressive feature in the QC universe. The way Dora's hair jumps in the last panel is quite amusing to me.

I'm hoping it is just that she's not awake and has forgotten to hand the beans over, not completely forgotten to roast them. Unless she's got some reason for being so tired, it seems out of character for her to mess up like this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 26 May 2011, 07:50
expresso
Damn it, why do people think this is a word?

http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20434.msg1038830.html#msg1038830 (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20434.msg1038830.html#msg1038830)

(For amusement, see also my post a couple below.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 26 May 2011, 09:38
That still doesn't explain why so many people use the wrong non-word! :psyduck:

Express means fast.

Espresso comes from the fact that steam (pressure) is used.

When I worked at a coffee shop, we ignored anybody that asked for a cup of expresso.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Orbert on 26 May 2011, 09:44
It's because everyone knows the word "express", and coffee makes you go faster, so concentrated coffee = "expresso".
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Border Reiver on 26 May 2011, 09:51
Most dictionaries very clearly indicate that the proper word is "espresso" from the Italian, but that the use of "expresso" is "strictly incorrect, but commonly used".  Meaning that we're likely to see it become an actual recognized word in several years as the language evolves.

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 26 May 2011, 11:53
I enjoy the use of hair as an expressive feature in the QC universe. The way Dora's hair jumps in the last panel is quite amusing to me.

I enjoy that too.   :-D  And I know it's just to convey the emotional reaction, but part of me kinda wants the hair to have some level of sentience -- like "What is it girl?  Timmy's fallen down a well?  Could he maybe roast some coffee beans while he's down there?"

I'm still amused by the appearance of Pizza Girl at Pen-Pen's doorstep.  If I had any Photoshop skillz, I'd put Dragonball Z hair on them in the panel where they're yelling.  We'll probably never find out for sure, since the mystery adds to the funny, but . . . shades of Fight Club?

And about the use of the non-word "expresso" . . . when people frequently get the your/you're and there/their/they're things wrong and unironically use leetspeak, I find it hard to get too upset about misspellings.  It's not that I don't notice (and hey, I've made my share of typos), it's more that I've built up a level of brain calluses from having read so many.  The people who say "expresso" when ordering one probably get at least a bonus sneer from the baristas.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ElvisRevenge on 26 May 2011, 12:13
I don't think we'll see anything of the party itself, but I do expect a WICKED live-tweet session with all the characters' twitter feeds.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 26 May 2011, 12:25
Most dictionaries very clearly indicate that the proper word is "espresso" from the Italian, but that the use of "expresso" is "strictly incorrect, but commonly used".  Meaning that we're likely to see it become an actual recognized word in several years as the language evolves.

My feelings on the subject (NSFW):
http://headtrip.keenspot.com/d/20060706.html (http://headtrip.keenspot.com/d/20060706.html)

'nuf said
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 26 May 2011, 13:31
I don't think we'll see anything of the party itself, but I do expect a WICKED live-tweet session with all the characters' twitter feeds.

I still want to see if all the mad-at-Faye tweets, from a couple weeks back, or something related to them, manifest in the comic. Hey, you don't suppose ... ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 14:12
It's because everyone knows the word "express", and coffee makes you go faster, so concentrated coffee = "expresso".

OK, wait a minute...

Espress ("to press out" in Italian) is from the same root as Express ("to press out" in English).  While the secondary meaning of "quick" has associated itself to express (as in delivery), "expressed coffee" is still a valid description of espresso.  Thus, while the Italians developed the stuff (and the machines), I beleive expresso would be a valid American/Anglification of the term. 

And yay for expressive hair, through which the emotions of the wearer are squeezed...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Near Lurker on 26 May 2011, 14:56
Yeah; "espresso" and "express" are basically the same word, it's just that it's lost its literal meaning in English.  In pretty much every Western Romance language, that's what it's called: "el café exprés," "le café express," "o café expresso," etc.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 26 May 2011, 15:05
It hasn't lost that meaning when a woman expresses milk from her breast to feed her child.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 26 May 2011, 15:55
Espress ("to press out" in Italian) is from the same root as Express ("to press out" in English).
I never learned that "press out" meaning of express (though I suppose expressing (conveying) an idea has the same root). This forum is ESL-educational!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 16:15
Glad to be of service! 


[mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyummmmmmmmmmm]
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: BlueMark on 26 May 2011, 16:54
Stop making excuses for illiteracy!

If we put up with that crap we'll end up with leaders unable to refudiate the terriers that misunderestimate the need to put food on your family.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Boomslang on 26 May 2011, 17:09
I find spelling and grammar Nazism to be occasionally funny but mostly just depressing.

The 'golden standard' of spelling and word usage that's being defended is just as corrupt, misused, and incoherent as the one we use today. The only difference is that it's much older.

While I get frustrated when people are either too lazy or ignorant to use words properly, I'm not 'correct', I'm just adhering closer to the artificial standard.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 26 May 2011, 17:09
Stop making excuses for illiteracy!

If we put up with that crap we'll end up with leaders unable to refudiate the terriers that misunderestimate the need to put food on your family.


Helloooooooo George Dublya
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 26 May 2011, 17:10
It's entirely possible that she's just that scatterbrained before her morning espresso and has the beans ready but just totally blanked that she was supposed to fork 'em over now.

Oh, come on, now. How long have you been reading this comic?

It is obviously going to be the worst case scenario where she not only didn't roast beans for Jim, she didn't even roast beans for her own store that day.



Yep, I think that's exactly what's going on. Dora's reaction was too extreme for it to be as simple as her forgetting she needs to hand over the already roasted beans now. I don't think she roasted any either, or at least not enough for her and Jim. Looks it's it's time for mike837's emergency scenario (hand over what she has now and start roasting, deliver the rest later etc.) but she may not even work that out yet, seeing as how this whole partnership thing is so new to her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: morrigan on 26 May 2011, 19:21
Their business arrangement stated that the baked goods/bean exchange take place on Mondays. Presumably, this particular Monday is the Monday after the Smif party. Something is probably on Dora's mind...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cuzsis on 26 May 2011, 19:28
What if this is Tai exposing Marten to all those available Smifettes, like I hoped would happen by now?  The Dora angle just makes it more dramalicious; what if Dora sees him surrounded by eager beavers?  Maybe Tai thinks that would get her off the guilt hook... This party could have 13 kinds of drama, boosted and complicated by recreational substances.   :psyduck:


Tai ... is looking for approval from Marten, but doesn't realize that as a guy Marten is immune to nuance and needs to be asked simply and directly without any circumspection.

A two by four might help.  

Marten is a reasonably smart and sensitive guy, but guys get confused by circumlocutions and indirect questions - they know something else is going on, but have been burned enough times not to even try to guess, so they just go with the most literal interpretation.

This is retreading old forum ground, but many of us guys readily verify this;  it's SO nice  your  brains are at home processing devious, indirect, vague hints and concealed intents, but the genders really do think, feel, and talk differently.*  Just say what you mean, please??

* I could provide a bibliography if you care.

 Yes, it's true most girls do that vague/concealed intent thing.

 You know what happens when you finally meet a girl that doesn't?

 It doesn't matter.

 I'm female. I don't do the whole "devious undercover thing" except when I'm making a joke. When I need/want something. I'm pretty direct. See a cool present for my birthday? I point it out and politely ask for it for a birthday gift. No subtle hints or guessing games. Just: "I like *this*, if possible, I would like it as a birthday gift." That's it. Done.  

 General conversation? Same thing. Ask the direction question. Look for the direct answer. Build the conversation from there.

 Want to know why this fails so hard? Because guys have programmed themselves to expect devious indirect vague bs from their grandmas/moms/aunts/sisters/cousins girlfriends ect....who, being typical females, did stuff like this.  So when you actually speak directly they immediately think the opposite and try to figure out what your *real* intent is. Do you know how long it takes someone to unlearn that sort of training?

 Years....

 Believe me, in a very strange way, I share your frustration!  :psyduck:

 
 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: eternalluna on 26 May 2011, 19:56
It's pretty frustrating to see the whole "exceptional woman" idea here (exceptional as in 'not in accordance with the rule', not 'amazing'- where we are to congratulate someone for not being like all *those* other women). Sure, women overall might be more periphrastic in their approach to things than men, but do you know what happens to little girls who ask for things? They get told that they shouldn't by parents and other figures of authority. And women who dare to say they want or don't want something? They get called "bitch" or are subject to a myriad of other negative responses, sometimes violent ones (and I am speaking entirely from my own experience and the experiences of women that I know). And how long does a lifetime of this kind of conditioning from all sides take to unlearn? Usually a whole lot longer than a couple of years.

But sure, we should blame women for their own subjugation.  :psyduck:

(I'm not trying to attack anyone here because, hell, I've done it too- the whole trying to avoid the oppression by making a deal with the dominant culture and trying so hard to not be the things I was told were "bad"; and while it can be a survival mechanism, it doesn't work, and I was never seen fully as a person. It's a pretty shitty way to feel. Anyway, I'm sorry to come off all ranty, but I feel this needs to be pointed out. It's not as simple as "Oh, those crazy wimmen, they are so strange and illogical.")
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 26 May 2011, 20:17
So - what's going to happen at this party?

Dora stammers and flees. Tai is hurt.    - 0 (0%)
Dora lets Tai down gently, but Tai's still hurt.    - 11 (15.9%)
Dora ditches Tai for one of the guys at the party.    - 3 (4.3%)
Marten, being Marten, offers comfort to Tai.    - 1 (1.4%)
Marten, being Marten, offers comfort to Dora.    - 1 (1.4%)
Marten remains oblivious until Hannelore points it out a week later.    - 6 (8.7%)
We see next to none of it "on camera" - only the aftermath.    - 9 (13%)
Break out Dr. Corrine's colored strings and thumbtacks - this could get ugly.    - 6 (8.7%)
Cosette burns down the dorm building.    - 3 (4.3%)
Dora and Marten have awkward reconciliation sex.    - 0 (0%)
A week of Angus and Marigold discussing anime!    - 4 (5.8%)
Waffles and Steak are the food choices for this BYOB.    - 1 (1.4%)
JTV cancels the party.    - 4 (5.8%)
Shame Orb crashes the party.    - 4 (5.8%)
Shelby eats all the food.    - 4 (5.8%)
Something completely different will happen.    - 12 (17.4%)

Total Voters: 69
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Akima on 26 May 2011, 21:59
Sure, women overall might be more periphrastic in their approach to things than men, but do you know what happens to little girls who ask for things? They get told that they shouldn't by parents and other figures of authority. And women who dare to say they want or don't want something? They get called "bitch" or are subject to a myriad of other negative responses, sometimes violent ones (and I am speaking entirely from my own experience and the experiences of women that I know).
I'm glad someone else said this, so I didn't have to. It's been eye-rollingly depressing to read the postings in this thread about how men feel entitled to demand that women communicate in a way they claim suits them (but which, in my experience, they never welcome if one actually does it), rather than making any effort themselves. Nearly as depressing as the postings telling us how to dress modestly enough to meet their requirements.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ecstaticjoy on 26 May 2011, 22:04
Elliot is big.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: The Duke on 26 May 2011, 22:43
Her hair was apparently just as concerned as she, it jumped too. :P

And her neck smiled.

Heh.


Elliot is big.

Heh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 26 May 2011, 23:38
I just think we should treat people as individuals and attempt to communicate and understand them from the perspective of who they are as a person. That includes some people learning to occasionally try to read clues more, and some people maybe having to occasionally speak out more directly. Misunderstandings will happen, but it will always happen because we are humans and nothing will ever be communicated perfectly anyway.

Point is, why do we need to turn this into a gender war. I mean, just by having a gender I've already been accused of certain things in this thread, so why should I listen to the people who accusing me at all? Same goes for both sides.

Making the idea of communication about genders, instead of about INDIVIDUALS (because I've met people on either end of the spectrum both men and women) it turns into a clusterfuck of everyone yelling over each other.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 26 May 2011, 23:56
Quote from: T. S. Elliot
It is impossible to say just what I mean!
But as if a magic lantern threw the words in patterns on a screen:
Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillowor throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window should say:
"That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: snubnose on 27 May 2011, 00:16
Comic ! Yay !  :-)

*yawn*

I wished it would already be weekend ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ecstaticjoy on 27 May 2011, 00:36
Did I just notice that Dora has stretched ears for the first time? Wow, I am really not a visual person.

Also, Jim is hot. Love the gray. I'm hoping for an unexpected but pleasantly surprising questionable something going on between Dora and Jim! I know, I know. Sorry guys. We can't help ourselves, we have to imagine every possible hookup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Skewbrow on 27 May 2011, 00:37
Me: "Honey, after 20 years you should know that I cannot pick up these hints. Just say what you want. Spell it for me, if you need to."
Wife: "Darling, after 20 years you should have learned to pick up at least the most obvious hints."
 
Unknown: "O God and Heavenly Father, Grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed; courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other, through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen."

Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LoveJaneAusten on 27 May 2011, 00:39
Jim is Future Marten.

He is accommodating to fault - a business fault, in this case. He is slightly awkward around women - witness his odd aside about the lawyer and divorce. He is not inclined to confrontation - see his standing around waiting for Dora to remember that she forgot the coffee beans. Future Marten is not much more than current Marten.

But oh! say you. If Jim is Future Marten, and Marten has no goals or initiative, how does he come to own and manage The Secret Bakery? Stick that in your espresso and drink it.

It's very simple.

At Dora's request, she and Marten get back together. They marry and then divorce, and she leaves him with the coffee shop and he turns into Jim. -edit- the danger of dropped pronouns!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: sluthy on 27 May 2011, 00:44
Presumably, this particular Monday is the Monday after the Smif party. Something is probably on Dora's mind...

Why are some people assuming that the party is already over/will be a small deal/will only be played out on the Twitter feed? I suspect all of next week, if not the week after too, will be dedicated to the party.

Remember the party at Marten/Dora/Faye's place where Marigold found out about Fangus? That was three weeks worth of material, over something potentially much less damaging.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 00:47
They marry and then divorce, and she leaves him with the coffee shop and he turns into Jim.

FYP.  I really don't seee Dora changing into Jim...


and the comic title had me chuckling.  

Dammit, Jim!

Of course, they should compromise.  Give him half the beans and get roasting - you'll both have enough for the morning rush, then you can send the afternoon batch over with Cosette.  After the resulting fire gets put out, you won't need to roast as many tmorrow...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 27 May 2011, 00:48
Jim is Future Marten.

He is accommodating to fault - a business fault, in this case. He is slightly awkward around women - witness his odd aside about the lawyer and divorce. He is not inclined to confrontation - see his standing around waiting for Dora to remember that she forgot the coffee beans. Future Marten is not much more than current Marten.

But oh! say you. If Jim is Future Marten, and Marten has no goals or initiative, how does he own and manage The Secret Bakery? Stick that in your espresso and drink it.

It's very simple.

At Dora's request, she and Marten get back together. They marry and then divorce, and she leaves him with the coffee shop and turns into Jim.

I like this theory, but you know it can mean only one thing...














Lets do the TIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMME WAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRPPPPPPP again!!!!!!!!!!!







I apologize for nothing. NOTHING!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LoveJaneAusten on 27 May 2011, 00:54
They marry and then divorce, and she leaves him with the coffee shop and he turns into Jim.

FYP.  I really don't seee Dora changing into Jim...
Thanks for catching that! The way I wrote it originally would be a little bit more awkward than even QC is used to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ysth on 27 May 2011, 01:02
Re the party, remember Jeph said in the interview that for a change he knew some things he wasn't telling.  Then we hear about this party.

Nice Star Trek reference today.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: IlGreven on 27 May 2011, 01:25
DAMMIT, JIM, I'M A COFFEE SHOP OWNER, NOT A DIPLOMAT!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: LQ on 27 May 2011, 01:33
Quote from: J. Jacques
Cue 100 angry coffee roasters decrying Dora's storage methods

In Seattle, pretty much the best coffee roaster in town is Espresso Vivace - They keep their beans in plastic storage bins.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 27 May 2011, 01:40
I'm sorry, but I can't see Dora leaving Marten a business she built from the ground up in a divorce, not with the divorce process being as adversarial as it is today, along with Marten being as passive as he is, and Dora as assertive as she is. She and her lawyer would swipe the business right out from under Marten and leave him out in the street paying her alimony.

The way Jim talks about his divorce, he's probably lucky that he still has tSB after the dust settled-he probably had to give up a lot to keep it-like their marital home possibly. No way was his divorce as cordial as Marten and Dora's would have to be for her to leave Marten her business.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: rje on 27 May 2011, 02:53
I just think we should treat people as individuals and attempt to communicate and understand them from the perspective of who they are as a person. That includes some people learning to occasionally try to read clues more, and some people maybe having to occasionally speak out more directly. Misunderstandings will happen, but it will always happen because we are humans and nothing will ever be communicated perfectly anyway.

Point is, why do we need to turn this into a gender war. I mean, just by having a gender I've already been accused of certain things in this thread, so why should I listen to the people who accusing me at all? Same goes for both sides.

Making the idea of communication about genders, instead of about INDIVIDUALS (because I've met people on either end of the spectrum both men and women) it turns into a clusterfuck of everyone yelling over each other.

Exactly right.
for example in a past relationship (me female he male) I was forthright in what I wanted, what I needed and what I felt. It backfired horribly. I almost -had- to play cutesy cutesy passive-aggressive games, otherwise I'd be uncaring, callous and making him feel guilty (I usually got that when he did something that upset / hurt me and I went right up to him and said 'That thing you did upset / hurt me. Let's discuss it so I can get over it.' Well shit I guess I should have had a rageface on all day and given him the silent treatment. Would have been so much better.)

And he NEVER just came out with what he felt/thought, and never ever just said what was on his mind, he always made me jump through hoops to guess, and would get pissy with me when I ignored his obvious signals (out of spite I admit - if he's not going to say 'I'm mad at you' and just say 'I'm fine' when I ask, he don't get no satisfaction) Sufficed to say, communication took about 10xs longer than it needed to and was just a ball of fun all the time. And it had nothing to do with our genders but who he is and who I am. So. Yea.  :mrgreen: It's not everybody, it's just some of who you've happened to meet. Meet more!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 27 May 2011, 03:46
I'm sorry, but I can't see Dora leaving Marten a business she built from the ground up in a divorce, not with the divorce process being as adversarial as it is today, along with Marten being as passive as he is, and Dora as assertive as she is. She and her lawyer would swipe the business right out from under Marten and leave him out in the street paying her alimony.

As much griping as Dora has done in the past about running the place, what makes you think she wouldn't dump it on Marten in a divorce as the ultimate punishment on a guy that already has a habit of needlessly punishing himself when he thinks he has a responsibility to take care of something?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tova on 27 May 2011, 04:06
Can we all just agree that communication is good, mmmmkay? :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 27 May 2011, 04:31
I'm sorry, but I can't see Dora leaving Marten a business she built from the ground up in a divorce, not with the divorce process being as adversarial as it is today, along with Marten being as passive as he is, and Dora as assertive as she is. She and her lawyer would swipe the business right out from under Marten and leave him out in the street paying her alimony.

As much griping as Dora has done in the past about running the place, what makes you think she wouldn't dump it on Marten in a divorce as the ultimate punishment on a guy that already has a habit of needlessly punishing himself when he thinks he has a responsibility to take care of something?

Not without a FAT cash settlement, methinks. Marten would have to pretty much mortgage his future. Not that I think Dora's normally that vindictive, but as I said before, the divorce process is adversarial and tends to bring out the worst in people, and Marten's the type who'd be taken to the cleaners unless he seriously manned up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: John_Knee on 27 May 2011, 04:36
Sure, women overall might be more periphrastic in their approach to things than men, but do you know what happens to little girls who ask for things? They get told that they shouldn't by parents and other figures of authority. And women who dare to say they want or don't want something? They get called "bitch" or are subject to a myriad of other negative responses, sometimes violent ones (and I am speaking entirely from my own experience and the experiences of women that I know).
I'm glad someone else said this, so I didn't have to. It's been eye-rollingly depressing to read the postings in this thread about how men feel entitled to demand that women communicate in a way they claim suits them (but which, in my experience, they never welcome if one actually does it), rather than making any effort themselves. Nearly as depressing as the postings telling us how to dress modestly enough to meet their requirements.

I think the fundamental issue that men generally get the hump about is when we get blamed for making the wrong decision when the hint given is too subtle. I found out too many times that if my wife says she likes something, then it doesn't mean she actually wants to be bought it as a gift and yet if she wants something (such as for her birthday) then she'll *hint* at that desire by saying she likes something - never that she would like it bought. What I think most men would prefer it if really important things are said more direct so there is no confusion. If the other person (of whatever gender) gives a subtle hint but it isn't spotted, then don't blame me for that.

I've not known women to be condemned for speaking straight and to the point unless they are the sort who pretty much start every sentence with "I want.... I want.... I want..." but most of those women that I know who are like that tend to the high maintenance females who are good looking enough to easily find another boyfriend if they don't get what they demand.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: azurefirem on 27 May 2011, 04:36
Theory: Jim turns out to be a sober, AA'd Jimbo.

Unlikely, but maybe he's working on a romance novel and is the owner of TSB as well :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: John_Knee on 27 May 2011, 04:40
I'm sorry, but I can't see Dora leaving Marten a business she built from the ground up in a divorce, not with the divorce process being as adversarial as it is today, along with Marten being as passive as he is, and Dora as assertive as she is. She and her lawyer would swipe the business right out from under Marten and leave him out in the street paying her alimony.

As much griping as Dora has done in the past about running the place, what makes you think she wouldn't dump it on Marten in a divorce as the ultimate punishment on a guy that already has a habit of needlessly punishing himself when he thinks he has a responsibility to take care of something?

Not without a FAT cash settlement, methinks. Marten would have to pretty much mortgage his future. Not that I think Dora's normally that vindictive, but as I said before, the divorce process is adversarial and tends to bring out the worst in people, and Marten's the type who'd be taken to the cleaners unless he seriously manned up.

I have a feeling that if Dora and Martin did marry and then devorce, I suspect Martin's mother would get involved and we know she scares the hell out of Dora. Plus if Hanners decides that Martin is in the right, remember that Hanner's mother could also intervene (which she did before when Martin got food poisioning and bought out and shut down the offending place).
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tanksenior on 27 May 2011, 04:49
Heehee :mrgreen: I'm starting to like Jim more and more, he knows what he's doing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:07
Gaaa!

First it was the shippers making things that didn't exist.

Now we've got divorce speculation on a relationship that ALREADY broke up?

I know its just a comic, but GET REAL here, people.

Uh, please?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: akronnick on 27 May 2011, 05:20
<snip> but GET REAL here, people. <snip>

NEVAR!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, can I get a pipe of whatever you're smoking? I could really use a pick-me-up. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: themacnut on 27 May 2011, 05:35
WHAT AKRONNICK SAID!!! Besides, LoveJaneAusten started it.

Seriously though (as serious as one can get when talking about a webcomic featuring mischievous little talking robots), we all know Jim's no future Marten. It is uncanny how accommodating he's trying to be though, just like Marten would in that situation. Still, it IS unlikely that Marten would have the initiative and drive to start and run a business- the closest he's come to that so far is involving himself with DeathMole and voicing wishes to to do more with it. But lately he's done nothing with it (that we can see anyway), so Jim's very different in that regard.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 27 May 2011, 05:35
Dear Dora,

Not only did you drop the ball - It bounce back and hit you in the face.
__________________________________________________________________

Dear Jim,

Your a gentleman.
___________________________________________________________________
Dear Forum,

Please leave the gender speculation alone - on the internets no one know's I am a dog and I would like it to stay that way. K TNX BOI!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Arancaytar on 27 May 2011, 05:36
Her hair was apparently just as concerned as she, it jumped too. :P

She was so shocked she turned into Marten for a second.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:37
Seriously, can I get a pipe of whatever you're smoking? I could really use a pick-me-up. :psyduck:

Last week's dirty socks. I prefer to let 'em ferment for a month, but I can never wait that long.....
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: BlueMark on 27 May 2011, 05:42
Sure, women overall might be more periphrastic in their approach to things than men, but do you know what happens to little girls who ask for things? They get told that they shouldn't by parents and other figures of authority. And women who dare to say they want or don't want something? They get called "bitch" or are subject to a myriad of other negative responses, sometimes violent ones (and I am speaking entirely from my own experience and the experiences of women that I know).
I'm glad someone else said this, so I didn't have to. It's been eye-rollingly depressing to read the postings in this thread about how men feel entitled to demand that women communicate in a way they claim suits them (but which, in my experience, they never welcome if one actually does it), rather than making any effort themselves. Nearly as depressing as the postings telling us how to dress modestly enough to meet their requirements.

Hey, I'm not making excuses for 10k years of paternalistic suppression of women. I'm just saying that Marten isn't going to pick up on Tai's otherwise obvious cues unless someone gives him a clue - by 2x4 or otherwise.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:45
<snip> unless someone gives [Marten] a clue - by 2x4 or otherwise.

This....Is.....Cue...See....

It will be done in the funniest way Jeph can think of!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 May 2011, 05:52
To all those who are marrying off Dora and Marten, and then proceeding to divorce them someone has something very important to say about that. (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61766/1157569-siege_3_legion_cps_033_super.jpg)









And yes, I am aware of the irony of using him in a discussion about marriage and divorce.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:57
Well played, sir. Well played!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 27 May 2011, 06:50
Well, I was gonna say something about how I sympathize with Dora, because it can be frustrating when you want to make something right and the other party won't have it, and how that's sometimes more frustrating than when each party is blatantly angling for the immediate advantage because you don't know whether the other party is genuinely trying to accommodate as well, or looking for some other advantage down the line, and how nicely subtle the expressions are in the last panel (Dora more baffled and frustrated than angry and Jim more bemused than anything by the whole thing) ... but daaaaaaang, y'all.

Edited to fix results of fat fingers typing on a touch screen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Black Sword on 27 May 2011, 06:55
Jim rocks. He's so chill that we need to take him to a bar.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 27 May 2011, 07:45
Damn, this strip makes me like Jim a lot. I've been in both Jim and Dora's shoes with a particular friend because we're both those people who just want everything to be okay and be as accommodating as possible, to the frustration of ourselves and others.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 27 May 2011, 07:47
Unknown: "O God and Heavenly Father, Grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed; courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other, through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen."

Not unknown: Reinhold Niebuhr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer) 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 27 May 2011, 07:59
Gaaa!

First it was the shippers making things that didn't exist.

Now we've got divorce speculation on a relationship that ALREADY broke up?

I know its just a comic, but GET REAL here, people.

Uh, please?

I was about to say - for cryin' out loud, we're not just 'shipping, we're torpedo shipping? What are we trying to do, build a completely new section of TV Tropes?

EDIT: Nope. "Ship Sinking" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipSinking) is already there. But this is Shipping THEN Sinking... WTH?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 May 2011, 08:02
I was about to say - for cryin' out loud, we're not just 'shipping, we're torpedo shipping? What are we trying to do, build a completely new section of TV Tropes?

Did someone mention Tv Tropes?  :evil: (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipSinking)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 27 May 2011, 08:19
The more I look at today's comic I think there is something very real and natural about the exchange between Dora and Jim. But I think the shipping needs to stop. I really don't read anything in to their exchanges that could be considered notible in a potential relationship kind of way. 

I am suprised that Dora was so unprepared for this exchange. It is just so out of character after all. But again I do like the Trek referance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 27 May 2011, 08:20
Torpedo shipping? this is bombing the shipyard.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Swedish Chef on 27 May 2011, 08:54

So Dora is winded up juicily for Tai's party. Marten should wear a crosshair T-shirt, just an idea.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 27 May 2011, 08:56

So Dora is winded up juicily for Tai's party. Marten should wear a crosshair T-shirt, just an idea.

Wasn't the exchange supposed to start the next Monday (after the deal was negotiated), so that the party being talked about already happened?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 May 2011, 09:06
The party is obviously going to a big storyline either next week or the week after, I just can't see Jeph avoiding the conflict that might arise between Tai, Dora and Marten by doing a time skip. Not to mention Faye as she knows that Tai is going after Dora, so she's going to be conflicted by the idea of her two best friends in a potential crossfire caused by a kid with a crush on Dora.

Some people do have different ideas about what might be "next" given day. For example, if someone today (the 27th) said to me that they were going to visit me next Monday, I might think that it would be the 6th of June, rather than the 30th of May. Which is probably what happened between Dora and Jim.....Of course, that could be a crock and Dora is a forgetful ditz, pick whichever one suits you better.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 09:26
Did someone mention Tv Tropes?  :evil: (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipSinking)

AGAIN! I say back to your Festering Pit!

I will not fall for your schemes a fifth sixth time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 May 2011, 11:13
To put it another way, they're Jeph's characters and we shouldn't be inventing ungrounded plot lines for them. That's a different animal from trying to extrapolate where Jeph is going, which is OK.

EDIT: Also, how important is the discussion of gender-based communication styles and stereotypes to people? I can split it into its own thread if people want to continue it. There's been a complaint already, and while it's been pretty civil (pat yourselves on the back!) it has potential to get bad.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Team Venture on 27 May 2011, 11:52
Quote from: J. Jacques
Cue 100 angry coffee roasters decrying Dora's storage methods

I'm happy to be the first to point this out. Fuck the storage method, here is a bigger issue: after roasting, coffee beans are really acidic for several hours. Even after that, they’re still releasing carbon dioxide from the roasting process and will taste weird if they’re brewed. For best results, they need to rest for preferably two to three days. Surely if Dora's coffee is so great she would know this.

/nerdrage
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 27 May 2011, 11:52

So Dora is wound up juicily for Tai's party. Marten should wear a crosshair T-shirt, just an idea.

FYP

/grammar police  :police:

Dora's lucky. A lot of other people in Jim's position would have told Elliott to put their muffins back in the truck and call off the business deal. I too, offer kudos to Jim for being so understanding. I see the similarities with Marten.  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 11:56
<snip> kudos to Jim for being so understanding. I see the similarities with Marten.  :-)

Same author for both character have anything to do with that?

Strange thought: Are there any truly unsympathetic MALE characters in this strip?

I know Steve can be a jerk sometimes, but it's the women and the 'bots that cause most of the trouble.

{donning the fireproof suit now}

EDIT: posting this a a fresh thread:  http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26795.0.html  (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26795.0.html)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 May 2011, 12:01
Sven was the unsympathetic male in the comic, rich, successful, didn't have to do much in life, just coasted along and has presumably a crapton of money. I say was, because since Faye mentally castrated him, Sven has become a little bit more sympathetic.

But there aren't many characters that has been designed to be "hated". Or if they are, they're usually just one shot characters we might not see again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 12:38
"Ship Sinking" seems to be what the author does (e.g. Jeph has with Marigold and Hannelore). This is closer to "Abandon Shipping".

Hanners and Marigold have a very nice thing running. A solid friendship has been building between those two for some time.

And in  this comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1872) they truly understand each other!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 13:02
Well, I was gonna say something about how I sympathize with Dora, because it can be frustrating when you want to make something right and the other party won't have it, and how that's sometimes more frustrating than when each party is blatantly angling for the immediate advantage because you don't know whether the other party is genuinely trying to accommodate as well, or looking for some other advantage down the line, and how nicely subtle the expressions are in the last panel (Dora more baffled and frustrated than angry and Jim more bemused than anything by the whole thing) ... but daaaaaaang, y'all.

Edited to fix results of fat fingers typing on a touch screen.

Ah, passive aggressive niceness - well done to Dora for breaking the loop!

Probably one of the resons he's both divorced, and  got beat up in the settlement...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Blyss on 27 May 2011, 13:40
Dora and Marten have awkward reconciliation sex.    1 (1.1%)

Yep - that's me, and I don't care what anyone thinks about it.

:evil:
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 27 May 2011, 14:25
Dora 'Beans' Bianchi   :-D



But would that make Hanners Scotty?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 May 2011, 14:44
Faye would be the Anti-Spock (That or given her experience with the espresso machine, she'd be the Scotty, either way, if Dora is out, she is in charge)
Pen-Pen would be the Nurse Chapel.
Cosette is a random Redshirt (That or Chekov)
Raven or Sara, I would they could be Captain Pike, in that, they were around before the beginning, but have since disappeared. Expect Sara to reappear in some weird wheelchair and only able to speak through a series of beeps.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Boomslang on 27 May 2011, 14:49
I can't really imagine Marten as any character except Spock, and even that's not perfect.

Steve is totally Kirk, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: pwhodges on 27 May 2011, 14:50
Dora and Marten have awkward reconciliation sex.    1 (1.1%)
Yep - that's me, and I don't care what anyone thinks about it.

Don't push it, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 27 May 2011, 15:19
Dora 'Beans' Bianchi   :-D



But would that make Hanners Scotty?

Hell no, she's Data. (unless for some reason we're not including TNG)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: BlueMark on 27 May 2011, 15:34
I can't really imagine Marten as any character except Spock, and even that's not perfect.
Checkov
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 27 May 2011, 16:48
Dora 'Beans' Bianchi   :-D



But would that make Hanners Scotty?

Hell no, she's Data. (unless for some reason we're not including TNG)

Hanners is definitely the "outsider" character whose story function is to provide commentary about the human condition. So, yeah, she's the Spock character (tho' her personality is closer to Data's). Faye as Scotty ... Well, she spends a lot of time saying she can't do it, and then (occasionally) does it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: galarant on 27 May 2011, 17:18
Is there a Jim and Dora ship yet?

If not, I am christening that bitch on it's MAIDEN VOYAGE!!!

Oh yeah you know what I mean  :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:

BOOYEAH!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 17:47
You're late.  The ship sank in drydock when Jim said she looked "mature". 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 27 May 2011, 17:54
You're late.  The ship sank in drydock when Jim said she looked "mature". 

No, that statement was a 18 inch shell in the forward magazine.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: foolsguinea on 27 May 2011, 20:00
I'm rooting for awkward reconciliation sex, but Dora letting Tai down gently, or even stammering and leaving, is more likely.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 27 May 2011, 21:32
Re: "on monday"
If the negotiation series happened on Saturday or Sunday ending with Jim saying "Eliott will have your stuff for you on Monday" in 1928 then Tai can still be inviting Marten to the party on "this Friday" in 1933 on that same Monday if they both have an early report time. Not sure if there's precedent about what Marten's report time at the library is.

Also, if he and Tai sometimes have to work on Saturday or Sunday then 1933 could be on that Saturday or Sunday, the same weekend as the negotiations.

Re: "coffee beans not being able to be immediately used"
I was wondering about this myself. If Dora's a coffee nerd she ought to know this. Jim probably does not know this, and could have assumed during negotiations that beans are beans and that Dora could produce them more or less immediately.

The subtext here being that Dora is inexperienced at both negotiation and wholesaling: she got caught up in the excitement of the deal and was not thinking ahead to the fulfillment part of the contract. Her "oh shit" is therefore also loaded with "how could I have possibly forgotten that I needed more lead time than this" and she's willing to use the un-rested beans at her shop to make up for not thinking far enough ahead.

Wow... that's my first analysis here. Too much?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 22:33
No, well done.  Now, go rest your bean. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Boomslang on 28 May 2011, 01:34
Honestly, the whole 'resting' thing for coffee was unknown to me before now, I don't think it's particularly common knowledge. Having the beans already roasted before grinding is the earliest in the process that I generally participate. So even if some of you are criticizing Jeph, it's hard for me to do the same.

Regarding non-coffee speculation, I worry for Tai. She's a bit too naive and inexperienced to grasp on an emotional level that Dora is simply unavailable in the larger sense. To recap how this all started off, Dora fell in love with Marten before Marten was even aware of the possibility she might be interested. And she pursued him, in the end, because she wanted to be with him more than she was insecure about the situation. I really respect that. But we know from the comic that love isn't always enough.

I like Tai as a character. She's unique among the cast, she's very realistic (IMO), and if she's going to be hurt, I'll empathize with her very strongly. But her chances here don't seem good. The only thing that might trump my expectation is Dora herself. Both being more receptive to being pursued, and/or having a greater attraction to women might be the dividing line between heartbreak for Tai and a truly wonderful relationship.

As always, the ball is in Jeph's court.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 May 2011, 03:05
So - what's going to happen at this party?

Dora stammers and flees. Tai is hurt.    - 1 (1%)
Dora lets Tai down gently, but Tai's still hurt.    - 15 (15%)
Dora ditches Tai for one of the guys at the party.    - 3 (3%)
Marten, being Marten, offers comfort to Tai.    - 3 (3%)
Marten, being Marten, offers comfort to Dora.    - 1 (1%)
Marten remains oblivious until Hannelore points it out a week later.    - 9 (9%)
We see next to none of it "on camera" - only the aftermath.    - 13 (13%)
Break out Dr. Corrine's colored strings and thumbtacks - this could get ugly.    - 7 (7%)
Cosette burns down the dorm building.    - 5 (5%)
Dora and Marten have awkward reconciliation sex.    - 1 (1%)
A week of Angus and Marigold discussing anime!    - 4 (4%)
Waffles and Steak are the food choices for this BYOB.    - 2 (2%)
JTV cancels the party.    - 4 (4%)
Shame Orb crashes the party.    - 5 (5%)
Shelby eats all the food.    - 8 (8%)
Something completely different will happen.    - 19 (19%)

Total Voters: 100
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 28 May 2011, 04:09
Total Voters: 100

Well, that makes the percentages easy. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 28 May 2011, 12:49
For me this isn't intended to be criticism so much as an analysis of how the continuity's going and an attempt to see where/if things are different to what happens IRL. I'm also looking for a way to interpret what's going on in the comic with a bias toward it being consistent as written (i.e. cut Jeph some slack)

If Jeph wants the QC universe to have coffee beans that can go straight from the roaster to the grinder then great! that's his prerogative. I'll happily watch a coffee fairy deliver magic beans that make people fall in love with Dora if he chooses to draw that. However, having read the comic, this coffee thing seems (to me) to be the kind of detail that wouldn't be in that list of things with which he would usually take artistic license. And if he were to, he'd do so more explicitly by lampshading it, especially given the whole "mysterious process that Dora won't even let Faye see" angle.

We're not talking about common knowledge here... we're talking about a coffee roaster's knowledge. Dora's been characterized as a coffee roaster so I think it's reasonable for the foodies (coffee-ies?) among us to hope for story lines where she knows her stuff at a higher level than common knowledge. If it's an oversight then oh well, Jeph more than makes up for it elsewhere in the comic. 

Then again maybe I'm falling into the over-analysis trap and I just need to go make another french press and wait patiently for the next update to see what if any of this Jeph cares to explore.

Tai looks like she's about to (trying to?) fall into the trap of being a rebound relationship: lots of interesting stuff there to explore as well; looking forward to seeing where Jeph hits the ball next.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 28 May 2011, 13:02
I'll happily watch a coffee fairy deliver magic beans.

Which puts this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1844) into a new perspective. And it might make you happy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 28 May 2011, 13:26
Yeah... I remember her... she's probably delivering pixie dust for Jim's cupcakes. The pixies and the fairies fight hard for territory in Northampton.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: John_Knee on 28 May 2011, 16:23

Of prime concern: Look closer at that statement of Dora's: "Here's what I had roasted for us today." *GASP* There isn't a lot of coffee in that tupperware! What are the CoD's hours? Are they expected to last on that amount of coffee all day, even on a busy day?

On the basis that Dora doesn't roast them directly on the premises, quite possibly she has the coffee elsewhere and she brings over a 'fresh' batch each morning rather than a weeks supply on a Monday. How much is in the tupperware? Depending on how fine Dora grinds the beans and then compresses it into the tupperware, there could be a decent amount in there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 May 2011, 16:36
For me this isn't intended to be criticism so much as an analysis of how the continuity's going and an attempt to see where/if things are different to what happens IRL. I'm also looking for a way to interpret what's going on in the comic with a bias toward it being consistent as written (i.e. cut Jeph some slack)

Indeed indeed, but you could be worrying about so many other things, not just Dora serving coffee without degassing!

The horror, the horror. A business killer, I know. It causes the machines to explode and rebel against their coffee masters. Yes, in that order.

Of prime concern: Look closer at that statement of Dora's: "Here's what I had roasted for us today." *GASP* There isn't a lot of coffee in that tupperware! What are the CoD's hours? Are they expected to last on that amount of coffee all day, even on a busy day? Good heavens. You should worry about how much business the Coffee of Doom is getting! Secondly, think about the CoD's menu. They have all these fancy specials that obviously cater to the customer's taste (like cat-hair lattes), but is that it? How can everything fit in that one container? Do they only serve espresso? Do they not cater to customers who want decaf? Do they have different coffees available to brew? Don't even start to think about any leftover beans the coffee shop might have under the counter from the previous day; otherwise your brain will melt down your esophagus and rush out your genitals. I mean, really! Will she run the beans right from the roaster (OMG WHERE DOES SHE ROAST THE COFFEE???) and pour it all in another tupperware right away? Will she pour it straight into the grinder and cackle like a mad scientist in front of her customers? Or will she wait for that excess stock to disappear before using it?

Or maybe, just maybe...

I'm falling into the over-analysis trap and I just need to go make another french press.

"...and the nomination for 'Best Hannelore Imitation in a Forum Post' goes to..."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 28 May 2011, 17:32

Of prime concern: Look closer at that statement of Dora's: "Here's what I had roasted for us today." *GASP* There isn't a lot of coffee in that tupperware! What are the CoD's hours? Are they expected to last on that amount of coffee all day, even on a busy day?

On the basis that Dora doesn't roast them directly on the premises, quite possibly she has the coffee elsewhere and she brings over a 'fresh' batch each morning rather than a weeks supply on a Monday. How much is in the tupperware? Depending on how fine Dora grinds the beans and then compresses it into the tupperware, there could be a decent amount in there.
We know she grinds and roasts the stuff herself "in [the] basement" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1923) using a secret process that she won't share with her minions staff.

N.B. From this and other references to locations such as "out back" it appears that CoD is a rather more extensive structure than the three rooms we've seen. I wonder when/if we'll get to see the rest?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 28 May 2011, 19:04
More containers behind the counter?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 28 May 2011, 19:12
I think it's just a case of Dora knowing how many regulars she has each day plus Roasting extra for those occasional 'Drop In' customers she has.  Of course, that may change now she's getting Baked Goods from TSB, but that doesn't mean she can't Roast some more while Hanners, Cosette and Faye deal with the customers.  Of course, she also could have a 'Reserve' stored away for Emergency Use.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Cartilage Head on 28 May 2011, 19:21
HA HA DORA WAS SUPPOSED TO ROAST COFFEE BEANS BUT SHE FORGOT

OH MAN.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 28 May 2011, 19:27
(charlton heston voice) Dora's beans are PEOPLE! Dora's beans are made out of PEOPLE! (/Charlton Heston voice)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 28 May 2011, 19:47
(charlton heston voice) Dora's beans are PEOPLE! Dora's beans are made out of PEOPLE! (/Charlton Heston voice)

I wondered why the french roast coffee tasted so conceited.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 28 May 2011, 20:37
(charlton heston voice) Dora's beans are PEOPLE! Dora's beans are made out of PEOPLE! (/Charlton Heston voice)

Very acidic and tired people, natch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 28 May 2011, 22:07
Dark and bitter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 May 2011, 22:22
Dark and bitter.
How you take your coffee and/or women?
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 29 May 2011, 01:07
Light and sweet, when I could drink it/wasn't married. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cat_rant on 29 May 2011, 01:41
I have been know to say the following in response to the commonly asked question of the"how many sugars?"
"two please I'm a bitter bitch!" I think anyone who says "none I'm sweet enough thanks" lnstantly looses my respect. It's just so smarmy. Yuck.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Welu on 29 May 2011, 04:48
I've never heard anyone say the "sweet enough" line about themselves. I did respond to someone who said the "sweet enough" line about me, "Yeah. Just give me the sugar, please." since they seemed the type to say it to any girl.

Although there's something odd enough about needing a witty retort to being asked if you want sugar.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Carl-E on 29 May 2011, 11:01
"Sugar?"



"PLEASE!"



is usually good enough. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 29 May 2011, 11:46
"Sugar?"

"Just dip your finger into it, it'll sweeten it up enough."

Yeah, thats it, ask someone to put their finger into a scalding liquid in an extremely unhygenic attempt to chat someone up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: ysth on 29 May 2011, 12:40
I can't really imagine Marten as any character except Spock, and even that's not perfect.
Checkov
No, no, no.  Lt. Riley.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: O8h7w on 29 May 2011, 14:15
For me this isn't intended to be criticism so much as an analysis of how the continuity's going and an attempt to see where/if things are different to what happens IRL. I'm also looking for a way to interpret what's going on in the comic with a bias toward it being consistent as written (i.e. cut Jeph some slack)

Indeed indeed, but you could be worrying about so many other things, not just Dora serving coffee without degassing!

The horror, the horror. A business killer, I know. It causes the machines to explode and rebel against their coffee masters. Yes, in that order.

Of prime concern: Look closer at that statement of Dora's: "Here's what I had roasted for us today." *GASP* There isn't a lot of coffee in that tupperware! What are the CoD's hours? Are they expected to last on that amount of coffee all day, even on a busy day? Good heavens. You should worry about how much business the Coffee of Doom is getting! Secondly, think about the CoD's menu. They have all these fancy specials that obviously cater to the customer's taste (like cat-hair lattes), but is that it? How can everything fit in that one container? Do they only serve espresso? Do they not cater to customers who want decaf? Do they have different coffees available to brew? Don't even start to think about any leftover beans the coffee shop might have under the counter from the previous day; otherwise your brain will melt down your esophagus and rush out your genitals. I mean, really! Will she run the beans right from the roaster (OMG WHERE DOES SHE ROAST THE COFFEE???) and pour it all in another tupperware right away? Will she pour it straight into the grinder and cackle like a mad scientist in front of her customers? Or will she wait for that excess stock to disappear before using it?

Or maybe, just maybe...

I'm falling into the over-analysis trap and I just need to go make another french press.

Or, you know, we don't actually see how big that container is. It could be standing on the floor as well as on the counter, I guess...
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 29 May 2011, 14:19
I can't really imagine Marten as any character except Spock, and even that's not perfect.
Checkov
No, no, no.  Lt. Riley.


Or Reg Barclay
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: jwhouk on 29 May 2011, 15:52
What was.... THE... MOMENT... OF... THE WEEK?

Why didn't you just come back?  You LEFT ME HERE!    - 2 (6.3%)
I don't know him! He oculd be a KNIFE KILLER!    - 4 (12.5%)
I go fishing sometimes! It's more humane!    - 0 (0%)
Penelope Gaines meets PIZZA GIRL!    - 13 (40.6%) (As if I had to ask, right?)
Nice try, but yer not gonna throw me off your trail that easy.    - 0 (0%)
"We're throwing a big end-of-the-semester party. Wanna come?"    - 0 (0%)
I was gonna invite Dora too...    - 1 (3.1%)
If she's cool, I'm cool.    - 1 (3.1%)
Is this some kind of convoluted scheme to get us back together?    - 0 (0%)
Um, actually... kind of the exact opposite.    - 2 (6.3%)
Some kind of scheme to murder each other?    - 0 (0%)
Muffin delivery!    - 0 (0%)
Our, uh, our coffee beans. OH$#!+    - 0 (0%)
You must think I'm completely unprofessional.    - 0 (0%)
Here's what I had roasted for us. Take it.    - 0 (0%)
I can just roast more for us today.    - 0 (0%)
Oh, in that case I'll just come back...    - 0 (0%)
DAMMIT JIM, I'M TRYING TO BE THE MORE ACCOMMODATING PARTY HERE!    - 9 (28.1%)

Total Voters: 32
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: morrigan on 29 May 2011, 18:26
For me this isn't intended to be criticism so much as an analysis of how the continuity's going and an attempt to see where/if things are different to what happens IRL. I'm also looking for a way to interpret what's going on in the comic with a bias toward it being consistent as written (i.e. cut Jeph some slack)

Indeed indeed, but you could be worrying about so many other things, not just Dora serving coffee without degassing!

The horror, the horror. A business killer, I know. It causes the machines to explode and rebel against their coffee masters. Yes, in that order.

Of prime concern: Look closer at that statement of Dora's: "Here's what I had roasted for us today." *GASP* There isn't a lot of coffee in that tupperware! What are the CoD's hours? Are they expected to last on that amount of coffee all day, even on a busy day? Good heavens. You should worry about how much business the Coffee of Doom is getting! Secondly, think about the CoD's menu. They have all these fancy specials that obviously cater to the customer's taste (like cat-hair lattes), but is that it? How can everything fit in that one container? Do they only serve espresso? Do they not cater to customers who want decaf? Do they have different coffees available to brew? Don't even start to think about any leftover beans the coffee shop might have under the counter from the previous day; otherwise your brain will melt down your esophagus and rush out your genitals. I mean, really! Will she run the beans right from the roaster (OMG WHERE DOES SHE ROAST THE COFFEE???) and pour it all in another tupperware right away? Will she pour it straight into the grinder and cackle like a mad scientist in front of her customers? Or will she wait for that excess stock to disappear before using it?

Or maybe, just maybe...

I'm falling into the over-analysis trap and I just need to go make another french press.

Or, you know, we don't actually see how big that container is. It could be standing on the floor as well as on the counter, I guess...


It's a pattern I've picked up on: Jeph usually draws things smaller than reality. Look at any of the comics where people are laying on beds; the pillows are tiny! Whenever a character holds a book, it looks like a little pamphlet. Mugs look like thimbles in people's hands.  It's one of his drawing quirks.  So the size of the coffee bin makes sense. We're just supposed to assume that it's bigger.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: cesariojpn on 30 May 2011, 00:06
The last panel, would've made a good "Damnit Jim, I'm a Coffee Roaster, not a....." type of crack.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: DSL on 30 May 2011, 03:01
... except Jim's response could have legitimately been, "You don't seem to be that, either."
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: The Duke on 30 May 2011, 14:27
HA HA DORA WAS SUPPOSED TO ROAST COFFEE BEANS BUT SHE FORGOT

OH MAN.

Classic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 30 May 2011, 17:06
HA HA DORA WAS SUPPOSED TO ROAST COFFEE BEANS BUT SHE FORGOT

OH MAN.

(http://i.imgur.com/MqxBy.png)
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Tiogyr on 31 May 2011, 03:32
Dark and bitter.
How you take your coffee and/or women?

Ground and stored in freezer bags.
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: Kugai on 31 May 2011, 12:31
Ooooohaaaaayyyyyyyyy


*Smiles and backs away slowly*
Title: Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 31 May 2011, 12:35
Dark and bitter.
How you take your coffee and/or women?

Ground and stored in freezer bags.

Is your name Kyle Rayner?