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Title: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 11 Jun 2011, 15:17
As a consequence of the current Flashpoint event DC is taking the opportunity to completely relaunch it's line with 52 new ongoings (DC explosion 2.0, anyone?). Some titles look really interesting (Simone, Snyder, Lemire books) others look like dumb editorial/marketing ideas or just aw-no-thanks-please (Liefeld on Hawk and Dove?) while some of the best titles are gone (e.g.: T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents and Secret Six). Here's the full list of relaunch titles, taking place in the DCnU (I kid you not). (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32748)

So, thoughts?

EDIT: What the shit, where's Batman Inc.?
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Post by: Kugai on 11 Jun 2011, 16:14
Probably filed for Chapter 11
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Post by: Ozymandias on 11 Jun 2011, 19:46
I don't understand comics.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 11 Jun 2011, 19:49
As a lifelong fan of Marvel comics, all I can say Tom is...... WHY QUESADA?! WHY, YOU BASTARD?! DAMN YOU AND MEPHISTO TO HELL!!!........ <_<, >_>, <_<

That is to say, I understand how you feel.
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Post by: Ozymandias on 11 Jun 2011, 20:02
Brand New Day made so much more sense than this.
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Post by: Tom on 11 Jun 2011, 20:10
To be completely fair, the Brand New Day era had a lot of good stories and wasn't completely mired in the characters own continuity.
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Post by: Tom on 11 Jun 2011, 20:14
That is to say, I understand how you feel.

I'm mostly a Marvel guy but this reboot has left me a little annoyed and kinda confused. I know I'll get some good stories but I've grown up with DC's Modern Age reboot as my DCU so yeah.
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Post by: Damnable Fiend on 11 Jun 2011, 20:17
I think it's cool that one of the titles listed is Swamp Thing, anyway
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Post by: Tom on 11 Jun 2011, 20:31
Scott Snyder is the only guy other than China Mieville I'd want on that book.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 11 Jun 2011, 21:19
I find it really odd. Like they felt that they could not get any more stories out of the characters the way they are now so they have to retroactively change them. It just seems silly. Pretty much everyone cried fowl when Marvel did it to Spider-man. Sure, the stories since then have been amazing, I just wish they would have done it in a less terrible way then Satan Magic.


Though best part about this? BLUE BEETLE GETS A NEW SERIES!!!!
Worst part? No new Secret Six, thanks to recreation of Suicide Squad.
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Post by: Ozymandias on 11 Jun 2011, 21:32
Part of BND that made sense is they also cancelled all other 616 Spiderman titles.

This reboot still has 4 fucking Batman titles in it.  :psyduck:
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Post by: SirDudley on 12 Jun 2011, 19:45
EDIT: What the shit, where's Batman Inc.?
On hiatus until 2012. Probably as part of Morrisson's deal to not reboot his stuff, he had to stop Batman, Inc. to let DC do their stuff.

The only thing I'm upset about is Barbara Gordon taking up the Batgirl mantle again. I mean, she's had so much character development as Oracle, and now...that's all been shot to shit and left to die on the side of the road. WTF, DC? Also, Harley Quinn is joining the Suicide Squad. With a brand new look (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/06/harley_quinn_joins_the_suicide_sluts_--_er_squad.php) that's sure to make people go, "Really, DC? REALLY?" Also, Jaime Reyes is now the Blue Beetle again. Sorry, Ted Kord fans.

The only partially good thing is that we now get same-day digital distribution from DC now as of this reboot. Why do I say "partially good"? There is a catch: $3.00 US. That's how much you have to pay--yes, PAY--to see the digital copies; they are not free AT ALL. And that's got me really pissed at DC.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 12 Jun 2011, 21:54
The only thing I'm upset about is Barbara Gordon taking up the Batgirl mantle again. I mean, she's had so much character development as Oracle, and now...that's all been shot to shit and left to die on the side of the road.

That's another thing I do not like. Oracle was a much better character then Bat-girl ever was. Instead of just being the female version of Batman (well a better female version), she was someone that the JLA and damn near every super hero would turn to for information. Hell, she was pretty much the entire focal point for Birds of Prey.
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Post by: Tom on 12 Jun 2011, 22:55
I think I can deal with that. Compelling character or not data-jockey characters have become a huge story crutch. So many heroes rely on Oracle.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 07:42
And apparently the Man of Steel will lose the underwear-on-the-outside look he has been dedicated to since the 30s, in favour of....drumroll please....a pair of jeans.

Yep, you read that correctly.
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Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jun 2011, 08:10
The only thing I'm upset about is Barbara Gordon taking up the Batgirl mantle again. I mean, she's had so much character development as Oracle, and now...that's all been shot to shit and left to die on the side of the road.

That's another thing I do not like. Oracle was a much better character then Bat-girl ever was. Instead of just being the female version of Batman (well a better female version), she was someone that the JLA and damn near every super hero would turn to for information. Hell, she was pretty much the entire focal point for Birds of Prey.
On top of that, Oracle was one of the very few disabled super heroes/heroines in ALL of comics period. And now?

DC: "What? You grew up with Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair acting as an information broker and being a symbol for disabled people? Fuck you, she's Batgirl again! Because!"
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Post by: Kugai on 13 Jun 2011, 14:38
Add "So there!  Nyah!!" to that and it'd be more accurate.




[edit] Hmmmm - So I'm on the rails now.  Heh! [/edit]
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Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jun 2011, 14:47
In other reboot news I linked to above, The Authority is joining the DCnU. Well, at least Apollo and Midnighter are. And Martian Manhunter is teaming up with them to form a new version of Stormwatch.

Let's hope the reboot madness doesn't break up Apollo and Midnighter. Unless DC wants even more fanrage(tm) hurled at them.
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Post by: Tom on 13 Jun 2011, 15:17
Paul Cornell, to my tremendous relief had this to say:

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That's Apollo, The Midnighter and, hey, the Martian Manhunter on the lovely cover to issue one. I can say very little else so far except that Apollo is also in the book, as are other characters, old and new, and yes, Apollo and The Midnighter remain out and proud. It's going to be a very exciting book, and, put together with Demon Knights, I think I've found a new playground I'm very happy with. More as the release date approaches, obviously.

emphasis mine and source is here (http://www.paulcornell.com/2011/06/stormwatch.html)
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 13 Jun 2011, 21:33
Also The King of Cities is in it too. Not a big fan of Apollo's and Midnighter's new looks.


Another sort of thing, rumor is that there is a mandate to give female costumes pants. I, for one, find this ok, especially on Supergirl.
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Post by: Tom on 13 Jun 2011, 21:43
I spent the entirety of Gates and Igle's run hoping they'd give her super pants. Oh well, at least they gave her bike shorts.
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Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jun 2011, 21:43
Some notes regarding Gail Simone.

She's basically being forced into co-writing Firestorm and solo-writing Batgirl so she can still work at DC. Yeah, Secret Six and Birds of Prey got canned in order to force Gail to focus on Batgirl and Firestorm.

Fuck you, DC. FUCK. YOU.

Also, Rob Liefeld is handling the artwork for the Hawk and Dove reboot. Tremble in fear.
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Post by: cyro on 14 Jun 2011, 03:36
This is gonna require one major DCUO patch...
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Post by: SirDudley on 14 Jun 2011, 08:35
This is gonna require one major DCUO patch...
Or the game loses support, forcing us to buy the so-totally-upcoming DCnUO in order to forget anything about the old DC.


And this news gets worse. Y'all know Vertigo Comics, DC's little independent company that's ACTUALLY DOING GOOD AND WINNING AWARDS? DC has been taking a hacksaw to the company and slashing the staff and titles, but what's worse is that Vertigo's stuff are being ported to the DCnU, like John Constantine. I think that was mentioned above, but just in case, here's the short of it. John is now joining a super hero team called Justice League: Dark, focusing on magic-users. Anyone with an inkling of knowledge about Mr. Constantine will know how much of a BAD IDEA that is.

Seriously DC, you only care when your OWN NAME does good. If it's not "DC Comics" winning stuff, then nobody deserves to be happy, even YOUR OWN INTERNAL INDEPENDENT COMPANY THAT WINS AWARDS AND CRITICAL PRAISE.

Godammit, DC. I mean, this reboot is going to fail so hard at this point. You have older fans pissed at DC for destroying character history, Vertigo fans upset because their company is being used as a punching bag and now...you have 160 or so cover artists for this reboot, and ONLY 2 OF THEM ARE WOMEN (Gail Simone and someone else I don't know). Classy act, DC.

Me? I'm sticking with manga now. At least there is no chance of a giant reboot on the stuff I read.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 14 Jun 2011, 09:07
Another sort of thing, rumor is that there is a mandate to give female costumes pants. I, for one, find this ok, especially on Supergirl.
She's (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/06/sg_cv1oo-o2ma.jpg) one of the few (two?) exceptions, sadly.

At least it isn't the short skirt blowing in the breeze with her underwear showing for everyone to see. Not the best idea when your super hero can fly.


This is mostly hearsay and rumor, but my friend/local comic book dealer was at the bar at C2E2 with all the other big wigs. He said Dan Didio was going around asking everyone what 3 things they would like to right, but  trying to keep the whole thing hush hush. From what I have heard Gail Simone actually wants to do Batgiril. Firestorm? No idea, but I like the concept. Why combine the two Firestorms into one, like they did recently in Brightest Day, instead of making them their own thing? Plus the concept of a super Firestorm makes my inner child all happy,
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Post by: Tom on 14 Jun 2011, 13:34
Sir Dudley, the long running Hellblazer series is staying put (according to the Sep. solicits). Characters (mostly magic or just weird) like Swampthing, Shade, Madame Xanadu etc. that have been absent from the main continuity since the Crisis are being reabsorbed back into the the main continuity. Vertigo is still going to have American Vampire and Fables but yeah, gutted.
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Post by: SirDudley on 14 Jun 2011, 14:14
Sir Dudley, the long running Hellblazer series is staying put (according to the Sep. solicits). Characters (mostly magic or just weird) like Swampthing, Shade, Madame Xanadu etc. that have been absent from the main continuity since the Crisis are being reabsorbed back into the the main continuity. Vertigo is still going to have American Vampire and Fables but yeah, gutted.
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I knew Vertigo was getting royally shafted by this reboot, but thanks again for smoothing out the details.
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Post by: Tom on 14 Jun 2011, 19:33
Le sigh. (http://marcusto.tumblr.com/photo/1280/6535236799/1/tumblr_lmsyi5T9p91qhb02o)
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Post by: SirDudley on 14 Jun 2011, 19:42
So....the one on the upper right is the new Barbara Gordon?
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 14 Jun 2011, 19:43
That's Stephanie Brown/Spoiler
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Post by: Tom on 14 Jun 2011, 19:56
The previous Batgirl, Cassandra Cain is/was the Hong Kong Batperson
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llo4l4TOpL1qi0ou1o1_500.jpg)
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Post by: Kugai on 14 Jun 2011, 23:25
Her hair 'sploded!!!!
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Post by: Tom on 14 Jun 2011, 23:53
She's finally showing up proper in an upcoming Red Robin issue, she has weird cape that looks like it will be potentially dangerous to herself.
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Post by: cyro on 15 Jun 2011, 02:13
Le sigh. (http://marcusto.tumblr.com/photo/1280/6535236799/1/tumblr_lmsyi5T9p91qhb02o)

Bruce is gonna get himself a Bat-Hareem.

So....the one on the upper right is the new Barbara Gordon?

I'm assuming that Babs is remaining Oracle.
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Post by: Tom on 15 Jun 2011, 02:20
Just to recap, cryo. That's a drawing by Marcus To of the 3 Modern Age Batgirls. Bab's wil be younger and Batgirl again in the future DCU.
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Post by: cyro on 15 Jun 2011, 02:23
Ah.

 :psyduck:

My braaaaaaain.
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Post by: Tom on 15 Jun 2011, 02:26
Marvel continuity is so much easier because they don't change it completely every decade.
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Post by: cyro on 15 Jun 2011, 02:35
Na, they just keep adding new seperate continuities.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Jun 2011, 11:23
Na, they just keep adding new seperate continuities.

Which works great, because if you get sick of one, you can just follow another.

Which is also I think why Marvel Adventures became so popular after Civil War/Secret Invasion.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 20 Jun 2011, 10:58
I still don't really understand the problem with Oracle being an information broker and finally taking advantage of whatever medical tech/magical healing opportunity comes her way to allow her to get back to the life she used to love so much before the Joker shot her.

I mean, look at how Batman bounced back after Bane broke his back. It's about time the original Batgirl got to do the same.
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Post by: cyro on 20 Jun 2011, 12:29
I still don't really understand the problem with Oracle being an information broker and finally taking advantage of whatever medical tech/magical healing opportunity comes her way to allow her to get back to the life she used to love so much before the Joker shot her.

I mean, look at how Batman bounced back after Bane broke his back. It's about time the original Batgirl got to do the same.

Actually, she's becoming Batgirl "again" because of the series reboot.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 20 Jun 2011, 13:17
If it's a completely different continuity/reboot, why is anyone sperging over continuity/character history?
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Post by: Tom on 20 Jun 2011, 13:57
Not entirely, DC reboots are never clean slates.
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Post by: McTaggart on 20 Jun 2011, 14:40
So maybe she's still destined to be paralysed?
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 20 Jun 2011, 18:27
I still don't really understand the problem with Oracle being an information broker and finally taking advantage of whatever medical tech/magical healing opportunity comes her way to allow her to get back to the life she used to love so much before the Joker shot her.

I mean, look at how Batman bounced back after Bane broke his back. It's about time the original Batgirl got to do the same.

The thing is, Barbara was in the chair longer than she was in the cape and cowl. So for many, she was Oracle, not Bat-girl, so seeing her take on the mantle again feels like a giant fuck you to those who became fans of her as an Eskrima practising, computer hacking, information broker. She was seen by some as an inspiration that their disability couldn't hinder their lives.

As for the medical tech/magical healing, the problem is that many comic studios can't really pull that stunt because it can be seen as flipping their similarly affected fans off. Just to pick an example, with the Legacy virus in the X-men comics. The original idea for the Legacy virus was for it to be an analogy for HIV/AIDS, only the virus was airborne, not passed through bodily fluids. Marvel originally intended for the virus to be curable within a couple of years, as HIV was thought to be. However as the years progressed and the idea of a cure never quite materialised, Marvel had to keep the Legacy virus storyline going for the best part of a decade before their version of a cure could be thought of and implemented. Same with paralysis, or blindness (Daredevil), or complete deafness (Echo). An editor can't click their finger and "zap" a character's affliction is gone, it cheapens the story and why the fans like the character, that their lives are not defined by their disability and that they can succeed with them.

And you can't really compare Batman's paralysis to Barbara's. Bane broke Batman's back, while the Joker used a handcannon to shoot her and damaging her spinal column. While Batman's back was broken by Bane snapping it over his knee, it was repaired by paranormal means. Magic has its own set of strict rules, so presumably it can only repair whats there. Barbara has a hole in her spine. Meaning that there isn't anything that Magic could do for her anyway.
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Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 21 Jun 2011, 17:42
clearly you and i have different definitions of the word "magic"
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Post by: Ozymandias on 21 Jun 2011, 20:32
Yeah, I was completely with you until that last paragraph when you suddenly went insane.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 21 Jun 2011, 22:25
It makes sense to me. Limitless healing power wouldn't be particularly good for dramatic tension. Modern urban fantasy style fictional magic is normally extremely rule-bound; perhaps the influence of role-playing games, perhaps reflecting a more secular worldview. I'm not weighing in on the subject at hand particularly; of course the magic in comic books does whatever it needs to do re: bringing people back to life and whatnot (one of the reasons I dislike Marvel/DC style comics), but I don't think the dudes exactly being insane?
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Post by: KvP on 21 Jun 2011, 22:31
Whether it's explicable within the setting or not, it's still full lame.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 05:11
It makes sense to me. Limitless healing power wouldn't be particularly good for dramatic tension. Modern urban fantasy style fictional magic is normally extremely rule-bound; perhaps the influence of role-playing games, perhaps reflecting a more secular worldview. I'm not weighing in on the subject at hand particularly; of course the magic in comic books does whatever it needs to do re: bringing people back to life and whatnot (one of the reasons I dislike Marvel/DC style comics), but I don't think the dudes exactly being insane?

When the entirety of Lex Luthor's hatred for Superman dates back to Superboy being responsible for Luthor going bald, you can't really spend too much time sperging out looking for consistency in power levels and how things work.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Jun 2011, 05:52
Yeah, I was completely with you until that last paragraph when you suddenly went insane.

In my defense, I wrote that at 4 in the morning, so sleep depravity might have been setting in. My point was, there are different types of back injury, but the main cause of paralysis is nerve damage. In the case of Batman, it might not have been permanent damage, and the means used may have just sped up that recovery time (I don't know what the exact process was, comics like that were nearly impossible to get here around that time). In the case of Barbara, the nerves were destroyed, gone.

My point about magic was that there are limits to magic in most settings, just as there limits to other forces. I seem to remember that there was a story a few years ago where Zatanna had dreams of Barbara being paralyised, knew there was nothing that could be done, before or after, so she and another heroine to Barbara out for a night of dancing, just so that she would have those memories. Which indicted to me that Zatanna knew that magic couldn't heal her friend later.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 06:30
Yeah, I was completely with you until that last paragraph when you suddenly went insane.

In my defense, I wrote that at 4 in the morning, so sleep depravity might have been setting in. My point was, there are different types of back injury, but the main cause of paralysis is nerve damage. In the case of Batman, it might not have been permanent damage, and the means used may have just sped up that recovery time (I don't know what the exact process was, comics like that were nearly impossible to get here around that time). In the case of Barbara, the nerves were destroyed, gone.

My point about magic was that there are limits to magic in most settings, just as there limits to other forces. I seem to remember that there was a story a few years ago where Zatanna had dreams of Barbara being paralyised, knew there was nothing that could be done, before or after, so she and another heroine to Barbara out for a night of dancing, just so that she would have those memories. Which indicted to me that Zatanna knew that magic couldn't heal her friend later.

Which is retarded given all Zatanna had to do was wave her wand and say "Delaeh si kcab ruoy!" after the event happened, if the event itself was unavoidable.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Jun 2011, 06:49
Look at Booster Gold when he tried to stop Barbara's paralysis, only events kept stopping him from preventing it again and again, until he realised that there was nothing he could do. Barbara was destined to be in a wheelchair, and to become Oracle.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 08:19
Yeah, Booster Gold, butt of endless "man, what a fuckup" jokes by every other hero. Great example.
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Post by: cyro on 22 Jun 2011, 08:36
Someone missed the Booster Gold series' character development.
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Post by: Ozymandias on 22 Jun 2011, 12:02
Look at Booster Gold when he tried to stop Barbara's paralysis, only events kept stopping him from preventing it again and again, until he realised that there was nothing he could do. Barbara was destined to be in a wheelchair, and to become Oracle.

This is also stupid as hell.

Look, the point isn't that she was unfixable in-continuity. That entire fact can be glossed over for the reason that she is better paralyzed. She's a better hero, a better person, and a better character. She's an honest-to-god awesome superhero who can't use her legs and that's okay. Any excuse where it's her destiny or the same magical universe that can make people come back from the dead over and over and over can't fix a hole in the spine is just dumb and trying to make weak justification in continuity, when the previous justification is all you need to tell someone who's trying to rationalize it. Relax, it's better this way and that's all you need to know.
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Post by: Tiogyr on 22 Jun 2011, 12:09
Look at Booster Gold when he tried to stop Barbara's paralysis, only events kept stopping him from preventing it again and again, until he realised that there was nothing he could do. Barbara was destined to be in a wheelchair, and to become Oracle.

This is also stupid as hell.

Look, the point isn't that she was unfixable in-continuity. That entire fact can be glossed over for the reason that she is better paralyzed. She's a better hero, a better person, and a better character. She's an honest-to-god awesome superhero who can't use her legs and that's okay. Any excuse where it's her destiny or the same magical universe that can make people come back from the dead over and over and over can't fix a hole in the spine is just dumb and trying to make weak justification in continuity, when the previous justification is all you need to tell someone who's trying to rationalize it. Relax, it's better this way and that's all you need to know.

Forget magic, you also have super-advanced cybernetic limbs that look just like normal human limbs. You have miracle medicine and you have plain old super hero healing and durability. Keeping her wheelchair bound because it's better for the story is definitely good enough, but getting mad and saying it can't just be reversed at any old time really is stupid given the universe this all happens in.
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Post by: Tom on 22 Jun 2011, 14:03
Try going up to a paraplegic and saying: we can rebuild you, we have the technology. If TV has taught me anything they might not be so welcoming of your opinion.
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Post by: Kugai on 22 Jun 2011, 16:02
*Cue Six Million Dollar Man theme*
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Jun 2011, 19:03
Try going up to a paraplegic and saying: we can rebuild you, we have the technology. If TV has taught me anything they might not be so welcoming of your opinion.

Pretty much what I was trying to say. Doing something like that is like a giant fuck you to the fans. Thats why I like the likes of Daredevil, who have taken their disability and provided to be successful despite it. Just making the character "normal" again is like saying you think they're a freak because of a disability, and that they cannot do things properly.
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Post by: Tom on 23 Jun 2011, 00:34
To be fair, DD lost his sight in the same accident that gave him powers (DD's echolocation is a legit superpower).
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Post by: Tiogyr on 23 Jun 2011, 03:20
Try going up to a paraplegic and saying: we can rebuild you, we have the technology. If TV has taught me anything they might not be so welcoming of your opinion.

Pretty much what I was trying to say. Doing something like that is like a giant fuck you to the fans. Thats why I like the likes of Daredevil, who have taken their disability and provided to be successful despite it. Just making the character "normal" again is like saying you think they're a freak because of a disability, and that they cannot do things properly.

Daredevil lost "normal" sight and gained an echolocation superpower that is superior to that sight in every way. Barbara Gordon got shot in the spine and had to reinvent her role in the superhero community (though saying the only reason she became Oracle was because she was crippled is patronizing as well, she could have very well developed her information network on her own as a perfectly healthy Batgirl--and probably will if this reboot holds).
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Jun 2011, 06:00
Barbara Gordon is also an expert in the eskrima martial art, which I'm sure she learned after she was paralysed, but thats beside the point. And I'm sure both characters had to learn to deal with the change in their lives.

That said, yay for my company's of choice refusal to change the continuity every decade (they just make characters act wildly out of character)
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Jun 2011, 18:57
Oh, and I thought people might want to have a look at these, just because we all know comics are meant to be enjoyed.

Where's my money, honey? (http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2007/03/top_15_unintent.html)
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Post by: Blyss on 24 Jun 2011, 07:44
When the hell did Grifter become a DC character?

Last I knew, he was an Image character - from the TEAM 7 days.

What.The.Hell?
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Post by: cyro on 24 Jun 2011, 11:12
Wildstorm actually:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-publisher-wildstorm-zuda-100921.html
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 Jun 2011, 13:57
Yeah, they used to be owned by Image but were bought and used in the Wildstorm universe. I don't knbow how many times they went up against the Authority, but there have been a few JLA crossovers.
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Post by: Blyss on 24 Jun 2011, 14:14
Wildstorm actually:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-publisher-wildstorm-zuda-100921.html

Okay - while I may not be up on current titles - originally, Grifter (Cole Cash) was in WildC.A.T.'s - an Image comic.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/BlyssBlack7/th_wildcats.jpg) (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/BlyssBlack7/?action=view&current=wildcats.jpg)
He and Michael Cray, John Lynch, Marc Slayton, Jackson Dane all got an origin series done called TEAM 7
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/BlyssBlack7/th_team7.jpg) (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/BlyssBlack7/?action=view&current=team7.jpg)
- and Wildstorm might have gotten the rights and given it to DC (hell for I know, wildstorm is what Image turned into), but originally it was IMAGE.  So, yeah, last time I looked - as I said before - Grifter was an IMAGE character.
I was just wondering when he became a DC character, not looking for a correction of something that didn't need to be corrected.


Thanks for the answer Blue Kitty - I'll have to go look and see when all this happened, because it was rather shocking to see Grifter as a DC title.  To say the least.

Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 Jun 2011, 14:26
I was confused to, mostly since I've always known him as a Wildstorm character, when I saw a collection of Wild CATS stories written by Alan Moore for Image.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: cyro on 25 Jun 2011, 00:48
DC bought Wildstorm from Image back in '99 apparently. (Thank you Google.) Which is why I've probably why I've always known them as a DC company.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Jul 2011, 19:59
One thing I do like about the reboot, Cyborg is becoming more and more important in the wider DCU.


Though I just realized he is taking the place of Steel/Mr. Terrific as the teams engineer
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 03 Jul 2011, 22:00
I wonder how many issues of Hawk & Dove Liefield will actually get done. Less than on the Infinite? 2? 1? 1/5?
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 03 Jul 2011, 22:02
Never forget,
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/dantezinferno/LiefieldsCaptainAmerica.jpg)
Never forgive.
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Tom on 03 Jul 2011, 22:07
DCnU explained for retailers. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33078) Among the not bad sorta good news is that they fixed the stupid and Babs gets use of her legs back after surgery, physical rehab, etc.:
Quote
“Some yes, some no. But many of the great stories remain. For example — Batgirl. The Killing Joke still happened and she was Oracle. Now she will go through physical rehabilitation and become a more seasoned and nuanced character because she had these incredible and diverse experiences.”
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Post by: Kugai on 03 Jul 2011, 22:10
Never forget,
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/dantezinferno/LiefieldsCaptainAmerica.jpg)
Never forgive.
(click to show/hide)

Ooooh look!!

It's Anabolic Steroid Man!!!!!!
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 03 Jul 2011, 22:21
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/eharrold44/liefeld.jpg)
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blyss on 07 Jul 2011, 09:46
Liefield is such a fucking twat.

Wait, no, that's insulting twats, and I like some of those...

I really wish he'd stop drawing.  Truly.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 07 Jul 2011, 12:56
In other reboot news, Ted Kord is getting retconned out of existence to make Jaime Reyes' origins flow better (i.e., so they don't have to explain "the two previous Blue Beetles") in the DCnU.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: ElvisRevenge on 07 Jul 2011, 20:19
To be completely fair, the Brand New Day era had a lot of good stories and wasn't completely mired in the characters own continuity.

Also, it really didn't affect, y'know, ANYTHING. I mean, people who were super steeped in the Spiderman mythos/canon might've been upset but it really was for the best. I mean, all the same characters are there, just switch up MJ with his new girl (Carly? Is that her name? I've read every issue and I cannot remember) (Also he and MJ are still totes BFFs) and boom. Spiderman.

BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND, the reboot is racist and sexist, so it's basically the same DC except everybody has higher collars on their costumes.

ALSO NO TED CORD?! BOOSTER GOLD RAGE!!!!
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 07 Jul 2011, 20:55
How exactly is the reboot racist or even more sexist than previous DC comics.
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Post by: SirDudley on 08 Jul 2011, 12:22
How exactly is the reboot racist or even more sexist than previous DC comics.
Well, only 2 women have been commissioned for the covers for the rebooted series, Gail Simone and someone else. Out of about 150 or so issues to hit newsstands. Yeah.

The racist angle...I'm not sure about either. ElvisRevenge, please do elaborate on that note.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jul 2011, 14:52
Apologies for the double-post.

In further reboot news:
--Wonder Woman's cover is getting redone. Even though it's JULY and the reboot starts in TWO MONTHS. Because she's now not wearing pants but will be shown in her shorts instead.
--Sinestro is supposedly back with the Green Lantern Corps. Meaning we are going to have to go through his betrayal all over again. Or have to deal with the possibility that in this rebooted universe....Sinestro's now a *twitch* good guy. *twitch*
--DC wants to show off Jason Todd's crotch for some reason. May or may not be related to seeing Starfire. See link below.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/07/yet_another_crisis_on_infinite_reboots_trifecta.php
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Post by: IMMANotListening on 13 Jul 2011, 20:31
Isn't this essentially a "Anything Marvel can do, DC hopes it can do better?"

This whole reboot reminds me of the Ultimate universe. And look how that turned out >___>
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jul 2011, 20:53
Isn't this essentially a "Anything Marvel can do, DC hopes it can do better?"

This whole reboot reminds me of the Ultimate universe. And look how that turned out >___>
No, this is more of "DC just looked at its continuity and shat itself, so in order to clean up the mess they made on the floor, they are doing the same thing they've tried 3 times in the past. Also, we want to be awesome, so our internal indie companies have to be shamelessly gutted to hell and back because they are doing better than us and that is not cool." kind of thing. Seriously, DC is scared shitless of its own continuity and does everything it can to pretend the past never happened. Hell, Final Crisis was a reboot and that was BARELY THREE YEARS AGO. I'd understand a ten year gap (the time between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Zero Hour) or a fourteen year gap (the time between Zero Hour and Final Crisis), but THREE YEARS? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

Marvel, on the other hand, is like: "If you want to research our past, go ahead. We can tell you that at least 80% was made while under the influence of several kinds of illegal substances, so be ready for utter madness and crazy-ass shit".
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 13 Jul 2011, 21:53
Isn't this essentially a "Anything Marvel can do, DC hopes it can do better?"

This whole reboot reminds me of the Ultimate universe. And look how that turned out >___>

Hey man, the Ultimate Marvel universe had some of the best damn stories. Just take a look at Ultimate 1 and 2. Probably the best book in a long time using the Avengers team. And Ultimate Spider-man is my favorite version of Spider-man by a long shot. Sure, it's been waylaid by Loeb and others, but it's starting to come back with Jonathan Hickman
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 14 Jul 2011, 00:01
Hickman and Spencer with Bendis still on Spidey. This is a good thing.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: IMMANotListening on 14 Jul 2011, 04:25
To be fair, I do agree that the Ultimate universe had some damn good stories although I felt that took the brush to go: Oh hey, let's snuff out this character! Why? BECAUSE WE CAN. Some of the deaths, particularly for the X-Men, were just...unnecessary and ugh, I won't say anything lest I end up spoiling something for someone. Although I did appreciate the fact that dead characters did stay dead, it often just felt like they were trying to be gritty and 'dark' for all of the wrong reasons sometimes.

...I did enjoy Ultimate Spider-Man though.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Jul 2011, 04:21
Back when DC and the other major comic book companies were starting, things like "continuity" were about as foreign to them as "phone booths" and "green stamps" are to us.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 16 Jul 2011, 04:57
Why? BECAUSE WE CAN. Some of the deaths, particularly for the X-Men, were just...unnecessary and ugh, I won't say anything lest I end up spoiling something for someone.

I don't think anyone would care about you spoiling Ultimates 3, Ultimatum or even Ultimate Comics X. Loeb is a shit writer (sorry, folks!) and always has been, what does he have on the guys at Marvel?
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 16 Jul 2011, 14:22
Why? BECAUSE WE CAN. Some of the deaths, particularly for the X-Men, were just...unnecessary and ugh, I won't say anything lest I end up spoiling something for someone.
I don't think anyone would care about you spoiling Ultimates 3, Ultimatum or even Ultimate Comics X. Loeb is a shit writer (sorry, folks!) and always has been, what does he have on the guys at Marvel?
To be fair to Ultimatum, it had potential to be a decent story. It's just that Loeb threw in several layers of bullshit on top of it and the story killed off people for no reason other than they just wanted a big body count. And then there's the Wasp's death. That was just....just....absolute tasteless shock value. There was no reason for Jan to die the way she did. To think that Jeph Loeb thought that would work and be entertaining, that made me sick as a person.
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Post by: SirDudley on 18 Jul 2011, 17:23
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/07/first-look-at-the-new-cover-of-dcs-action-comics-1/
Grant Morrison on the new Superman: "He's a Bruce Springsteen version of Superman".
*sigh* Grant's been raiding his drug stashes again it seems....

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-superman-lois-lane-break-up-110718.html
Other Superman details:

--He's single this time
--Pa and Ma Kent are dead**
--He's going to be more Kal-El from Krypton than Clark Kent from Kansas**


**=Details that make me disappointed in this reboot. Again.
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Post by: Kugai on 18 Jul 2011, 17:25
 :roll:
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 18 Jul 2011, 19:58
I think this is a positive thing for Lois, this time she doesn't exist as an extension of Superman.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 18 Jul 2011, 20:07
I think this is a positive thing for Lois, this time she doesn't exist as an extension of Superman.
Now all we need is for DC to stop shipping Supes with Wonder Woman like they've done for nearly every Elseworlds story.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 18 Jul 2011, 20:26
Different situation. Wonder Woman and Supes as each others love interest is consequential of their team based superheroics. Two people who regularly face high-risk situations together forming a strong bond with maybe some sex, not unheard of! They should avoid it because it's a little cliche, not because it's explicitly sexist.
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Post by: Kugai on 18 Jul 2011, 22:04
Pair her up with Hawkgirl - That'd stir things up.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 19 Jul 2011, 12:22
Pair her up with Hawkgirl - That'd stir things up.
Who? Lois or Diana? Either path would be interesting.
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Post by: Kugai on 19 Jul 2011, 15:33
Pair her up with Hawkgirl - That'd stir things up.
Who? Lois or Diana? Either path would be interesting.

Hmmmm

Lois and Diana - Now there's a pairing to turn the Superman Lore on it's head!!
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 19 Jul 2011, 16:30
So, according to Dan Didio, all these Superman changes are to make him more accessible to the public.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-didio-lee-explain-superman-changes-110718.html

Lolwut?
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: jwhouk on 21 Jul 2011, 23:31
You get the feeling that DC is never gonna want to go to ComicCon ever again after this.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 22 Jul 2011, 05:27
Nah angry basement dwellers just don't like change, they'd through a huge bitch fit even if you gave them what they wanted (which could possibly be this reboot). Burn, burn, burn. It gives them something to do with their lives where other people would study or create.
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Post by: SirDudley on 22 Jul 2011, 18:46
In other random tidbit news, Lian Harper is also getting retconned out of existence for the DCnU.

*le sigh*
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: IMMANotListening on 23 Jul 2011, 00:17
So, according to Dan Didio, all these Superman changes are to make him more accessible to the public.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-didio-lee-explain-superman-changes-110718.html

Lolwut?

Isn't that exactly what they did with Smallville? I mean, not exactly but more or less the same theme and growing from adolescent to adult angst? -sigh-
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Jul 2011, 12:21
Quote
When a fan commented that he was "exhausted" of reading Superman's origin over and over again, Morrison recommended that maybe he take a break from superhero comics, because "superhero comics are supposed to be fun" and "you should get exhausted by walking up stairs, not reading superhero comics."
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 25 Jul 2011, 01:28
Figuring Out The Flashpoint  (http://insidepulse.com/2011/07/17/figuring-out-the-flashpoint/)

I realy wish this was accurate.
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Post by: SirDudley on 25 Jul 2011, 12:10
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33533

New costume designs for a bunch of characters from SDCC 2011.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 25 Jul 2011, 13:34
The best thing about Red Arrow's costume is that he doesn't have that stupid 90's tech Robotic arm Robinson and Krull gave him.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 04 Aug 2011, 12:54
And in other news, remember when I said Sinestro is back in GL Corps? Apparently he's also the Green Lantern for Earth's sector in the reboot. As opposed to Abin Sur, you know, who has always been the GL for Earth's sector prior to Hal/Guy/John/Kyle.

I need a drink....
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Post by: Tom on 04 Aug 2011, 13:52
I actually don't mind this, apart from a 3/4 year of mostly wheel spinning I'm happy to just let Johns and Mahnke do their thing.
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Post by: SirDudley on 04 Aug 2011, 17:23
I actually don't mind this, apart from a 3/4 year of mostly wheel spinning I'm happy to just let Johns and Mahnke do their thing.
Well, I was incorrect in assuming Sinestro was replacing Abin Sur. Sinestro replaces Hal as the Earth Sector GL as per the choice of The Guardians (meaning Hal is Sinestro's backup).

And the rumor mills are flying about that it is Hal, not Sinestro, that creates the Yellow Lanterns in the reboot. Again, that's a rumor.
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Post by: Tom on 04 Aug 2011, 21:34
So not true, guy was probably trolling.
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Post by: Kugai on 05 Aug 2011, 17:48
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33533

New costume designs for a bunch of characters from SDCC 2011.

hmmmmmm

I don't know what's going on SirDudley, but for some reason that Link just hangs on me when I click on it.  I just get a 'White Screen of Death' and it just won't load no matter how long I wait.
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Post by: Tom on 05 Aug 2011, 20:42
Nah, it's fine with me. CBR has a habit of dropping in and out though. Refresh your cache, maybe.
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Post by: Kugai on 05 Aug 2011, 23:09
I'll try again tomorrow.  See what happens then
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Post by: SirDudley on 17 Aug 2011, 16:43
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/08/crisis_on_infinite_reboots_the_commercial.php

DC has released a commercial advertising the reboot. Except it's just a bunch of pictures of DC heroes and makes no attempt to explain why the reboot is happening or give any other details. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the music used here is generic stock music.

And once again, DC screws up something so simple to execute. *facelandmine*
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 Aug 2011, 18:42
Didn't they learn from the recent Comics Alliance article showing their terrible 90's commercial?

Also, Justice League Dark cast
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6221/justiceleaguedark.jpg)
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Post by: SirDudley on 18 Aug 2011, 16:12
...did Shade take fashion lessons from the Sixth Doctor? Good lord, that is one Technicolor Dreamcoat from Hell.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blyss on 19 Aug 2011, 05:37
...did Shade take fashion lessons from the Sixth Doctor? Good lord, that is one Technicolor Dreamcoat from Hell.

He calls it his coat of many colors...
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Kugai on 19 Aug 2011, 16:51
...did Shade take fashion lessons from the Sixth Doctor? Good lord, that is one Technicolor Dreamcoat from Hell.

He calls it his coat of many colors...

Yes, but can he sing?   :-D
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 31 Aug 2011, 09:25
Anyone go to the midnight releases?
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Post by: Tom on 31 Aug 2011, 13:48
Someone must have, how else would I have got those scans so soon  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 31 Aug 2011, 18:01
here's this (http://kotaku.com/5836119/a-guide-to-the-likely-hits-and-probable-stinkers-of-dc-comics-52-new-super+hero-comics)

probably nothing there you nerds didn't already know, but i don't keep up with this kind of thing so it was nice to see some facts and opions on the actual lineup and stuff

might actually consider picking up one or two of those, now that i have fully committed to the nerd lifestyle and moved back in with my parents  :|
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 06 Sep 2011, 18:18
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/09/the_dcnu_claims_another_superhero_marriage_1.php

Another DC marriage is now retconned out of existence in the DCnU: the marriage of Barry Allen and Iris West.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Tom on 06 Sep 2011, 23:00
Eh. It's not really all that important to the character.

Anyways, this week:
ACTION COMICS #1 (God of comics + young blue collar superman, yay!)
ANIMAL MAN #1 (Lemire seems like a good fit for this and I really like Animal Man. Buddy Baker is still married and Maxine has a connection to the Red.)
BATGIRL #1 (Pro: Gail Simone. Con: Not Steph. Pro: Gail Simone is one of the best writers active)
BATWING #1 (Real world guy is writing this  :|)
DETECTIVE COMICS #1 (Tony Daniel is on 'Tec so it'll be like his Batman, the writing seems pretty bad: "[The Joker's] modus operandi changes with the wind ...and it's been windy in Gotham.")
GREEN ARROW #1 (JT Krul writes Queen as a loose canon international Batman, expect this to suck)
HAWK AND DOVE #1 (Hey guys, you know what'll sell like hotcakes? Liefeld [lol, spell check thought I failed at typing 'lifeless'])
JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 (been there, done that)
MEN OF WAR #1 (I like war comics and Viking was rad)
OMAC #1 (Dan DiDio is not very good at anything and Giffen has his moments but his pencils are a little dated)
STATIC SHOCK #1 (Scott McDaniel is to cartooning what Greg Land is to photo referencing. On the plus side, John Rozum is writing.)
STORMWATCH #1 (Paul Cornell integrates the best of Wildstorm into the DCnU, not a children's book, 'nuff said.)
SWAMP THING #1 (Scott Snyder + Yanick Paquette. Snyder is one of the best things at DC, period. Paquette's pencil are to die for (http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1314213081.jpg).)
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blyss on 20 Sep 2011, 14:46
The way Batgirl is standing there looks like it's excruciatingly painful on her left knee.  Fucking ow.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 20 Sep 2011, 17:36
David Finch hails from the same school Liefeld pioneered and Lee dropped out of.
At least Finch's art looks tolerable compared to Liefeld.

Also, this: http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/09/dc_sees_marvels_half-black_half-latino_spider-man.php
Bunker (a new member of the Teen Titans) is a gay Mexican. Hmmm....
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Sep 2011, 18:31
Dressed in mostly purple no less


Looking forward to Blue Beetle and Red Hood tomorrow
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 Sep 2011, 18:12
So I am pretty disappointed with my two pics this week

Blue Beetle was mostly prologue and I don't like what they did with Paco. The story was fine in Red Hood but I hate what they did to Starfire.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 03 Oct 2011, 15:43
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/10/crisis_on_crisis_on_infinite_reboots_the_crisis-en.php
All previous Crisis events never happened.

Except that Hawk & Dove #1 makes a reference to Crisis on Infinite Earths.

DiDio's response to that? They were talking about ANOTHER Crisis, not CoIE. Nor Zero Hour. Nor Identity Crisis. Nor Infinite Crisis. Nor Final Crisis. Basically, DiDio is talking out of his ass.


I so look forward to his appearance at NYCC. It will be...."interesting", to say the least.
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: SirDudley on 11 Oct 2011, 14:25
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/10/10/wonder-woman-zeus-father-daughter/
Wonder Woman has a new origin story. This is like what, her 7th or 8th overall?
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: Blue Kitty on 16 Oct 2011, 09:48
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XzZGLE2usXQ/TpWigceHvyI/AAAAAAAAB-I/yma0DF0Obyc/s1600/nu52_pace_burningmonster.jpg)
Title: Re: DC reboots itself, again. Fanboys rage.
Post by: IMMANotListening on 24 Oct 2011, 00:38
This comment mainly coming from a huge and biased Batman nerd...

But the Batman reboot is awesome. Seriously. The idea that Damian Wayne, Bruce's son, gets to be his Robin? That's all new kinds of win right there.

It's great to see the Bat Family together again.