as she really hasnt said much after the break up.
as she really hasnt said much after the break up.
In more ways than one, in the 50 comics after the breakup, Dora appeared in 8 comics (9 if you count her cowering under the counter when Veronica showed up), the 50 after that we saw her 8 times (Not counting Randy Mulholland's guest strip). And in the 50 leading up to 1950 she made 15 appearances. 31 appearances, granted some were single panels. Compare that to Marten or Faye, who have both appeared in (conservative guess, coz its 3:15am and I'm not counting again!) about 80 comics each.
So either Jeph is knocking Dora to a second tier character, or showing her less to stop it from becoming "the Dora Show".
She's not dangerous now?
'Buttpoop'? What other kind of poop is there?
'Buttpoop'? What other kind of poop is there?
Probably best not to think about it.
From 1799-1951, all characters with 10+ appearances (including voices off): Marten 75, Faye 63, Hanners 55, Dora 32, Padma 22, Tai 20, Angus 19, Marten's mother 18, Pintsize/Steve 13, Marigold/Elliott 12.
OTOH since 1910: Faye 22, Dora 15, Marten/Hanners 11.
'Buttpoop'? What other kind of poop is there?
Hmmm how funny - theres actually people who are looking forward to Doras date ?
I would be much more interested in Marigolds battles with Dave.
I guess you mean Dale, but Marigold and Dave would be good too. "Why can't I be stalked by someone with visible eyes?"
'Buttpoop'? What other kind of poop is there?One of Faye's T-shirts simply says "CUMP".
Marten's in less than half of all strips? Crazy, I never would've realized that.
It wasn't until you pointed out Dora's declining appearances that I realized that Marten and Dora haven't even been in the same strip once since they split up. As far as I can tell they haven't seen each other or spoken since the break-up.
It wasn't until you pointed out Dora's declining appearances that I realized that Marten and Dora haven't even been in the same strip once since they split up. As far as I can tell they haven't seen each other or spoken since the break-up.
Yes they were, but it was because Dora sensed "a great disturbance in the Force" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1810) (not really).
It wasn't until you pointed out Dora's declining appearances that I realized that Marten and Dora haven't even been in the same strip once since they split up. As far as I can tell they haven't seen each other or spoken since the break-up.
Yes they were, but it was because Dora sensed "a great disturbance in the Force" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1810) (not really).
Ok, they weren't in the same panel of a comic together. Happy?
Marten and Dora have always had a connection. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=903)
Don't do it Marten!
Faye without her bitterness might actually be more dangerous!
*edit: added the word 'more' per Cold's post below*
Interesting. That's still considerably less than I would've guessed, I would've figured 2/3-3/4 at least, and I'm a little surprised to see Faye outrank Marten, but I guess it makes sense.Marten's in less than half of all strips? Crazy, I never would've realized that.
In the specified ranges. Overall is different (http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Count_of_character_appearances).
Am I the only one who would prefer to see Marten actually be bitter and upset about this? Not because I want to hurt the character, but because it's a development away from the manatee on codeine?
Teehee, looks like I've grown some immunity to TVTropes: I only rapidly checked out type B (well, I checked the various types for comparison) on the page then closed it right away. I'm proud.
I don't quite agree, though. I'm in the impression that Marten is quite able to force himself into a relatively serene state, with the prospect of making it genuine in the long run, through some kind of autosuggestion. We've seen him doing it before, like when he reacted to Faye having told right away to Angus the story about her father's suicide. He was upset at first, but overcame it for the sake of Faye. I don't think he simply had changed feelings based on Faye's explanations, said explanations rather gave him leverage to set aside his initial emotions as irrational, and view the situation more positively. So, it's a bit of a facade, but there's more to it.
Have none of you ever forced a smile on your face, only to find out it actually made you feel better? Granted, it doesn't work everytime (and neither does Marten always pull it out successfully), but it can work for realz.
Marten's in less than half of all strips? Crazy, I never would've realized that.
In the specified ranges. Overall is different (http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Count_of_character_appearances).
I'm in the impression that Marten is quite able to force himself into a relatively serene state, with the prospect of making it genuine in the long run, through some kind of autosuggestion.(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i446/ZAL77449/hac.jpg)
I really want to say "No Woman No Cry" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYoLGiW7muc), but I might be wrong.Fixed your post. I'm pretty sure you're correct though.
Why...do I not remember that strip?It wasn't until you pointed out Dora's declining appearances that I realized that Marten and Dora haven't even been in the same strip once since they split up. As far as I can tell they haven't seen each other or spoken since the break-up.
Yes they were, but it was because Dora sensed "a great disturbance in the Force" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1810) (not really).
Ok, they weren't in the same panel of a comic together. Happy?
Marten and Dora have always had a connection. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=903)
I really want to say "No Woman No Cry" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYoLGiW7muc), but I might be wrong.Fixed your post. I'm pretty sure you're correct though.
Could it be that Dora is feeling somewhat uneasy about the date and is trying to pick a fight with Faye so she can play the victim?The sick, chaotic dark spots of my souls like your ideas. May the dark gods of drama grant you more of that.
Is she reluctant about Jim? Is she feeling guilty?
Could it be that she feels what she's doing is hurtful and insensitive and she's trying to make herself not be the bad guy?
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No it's not.yeah, but she got enough remarks from her social group which will ensure that her infantile self will say "now more than ever". (+ some encouragement from Raven. I wounder the opinion of her therapist )
If Dora decides the date is a bad idea, all it will take is a quick phone call (it's not 1992 anymore, everyone has cell phones, so no Seinfeld type situations will happen.)
Frankly, anybody worth spending time with should understand if she wants to call it off because she's not ready after the breakup or whatever.
I think we all know someone IRL who is sardonic or a deadpan snarker, and the moment they start acting supportive or don't have a snippy comment for something, we start to get suspicious that something's up.Faye saying: "just get on with it" must freak the hell out of her... dropping a psycho bomb without intent shows the real master.
[...]
If Dora decides the date is a bad idea, all it will take is a quick phone call (it's not 1992 anymore, everyone has cell phones, so no Seinfeld type situations will happen.)
<snip>
... somewhere out there Angus got aroused and doesn't know why.
You are, of course, assuming that she has Jim's mobile number.
No it's not.
If Dora decides the date is a bad idea, all it will take is a quick phone call (it's not 1992 anymore, everyone has cell phones, so no Seinfeld type situations will happen.)
Frankly, anybody worth spending time with should understand if she wants to call it off because she's not ready after the breakup or whatever.
I don't know man, I wouldn't be surprised if she still was kind of bitter about her father since that's completely natural and won't go away that easily.I really don't think 'bitter' is the appropriate word for that. It is possible she was referring to that, but if so I would never have realised. I still stand by my first paragraph though; I wanted to see Marten follow up on that and attempt to talk about her feelings a bit. He's her best friend, he should show some concern. If it is the same old issues from the past, then it's no use to talk, but it could be some more recent events that she's referring to.
Why wouldn't she. Not only is she going on a date with him, she has a business arrangement, she should have a way to reach him. Like I said, it's not 1992 anymore. Sitting alone in a restaurant for an hour waiting for someone is not fun, especially when it can be prevented with such a simple remedy.
Could it be that Dora is feeling somewhat uneasy about the date and is trying to pick a fight with Faye so she can play the victim?Mayyyyyybeee.
Is she reluctant about Jim? Is she feeling guilty?I'd say "quite possibly."
Could it be that she feels what she's doing is hurtful and insensitive and she's trying to make herself not be the bad guy?Probably.
Could it be that she only agreed to the date because she knew that her friends would think it was a bad idea?DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winnah!
Oh Dora! Why won't you let yourself enjoy things for what they are?Because in her messed up little world, she doesn't think she deserves anything she gets enjoyment from.
to paraphrase Monty Python: GET ON WITH IT! The strip has the pace of a sloth.
Because in her messed up little world, she doesn't think she deserves anything she gets enjoyment from.
Could it be that Dora is feeling somewhat uneasy about the date and is trying to pick a fight with Faye so she can play the victim?Mayyyyyybeee.QuoteCould it be that she only agreed to the date because she knew that her friends would think it was a bad idea?DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winnah!
I think it would be more likely for her to go on the date and talk about how fucked up her relationship with Marten was and how fucked up Sven is and how wrong everything everybody she knows does is.I doubt she will have a total whinefest on her date with Jim. She might have issues, but she's not socially awkward.
In short, she'd act like an ass, and not even realize it. Just like her therapy session (at which she wasn't an asshole, that's what she's there for.)
My goodness. Dora can't do anything normal? She probably isn't quite sure about the date, for reasons she hasn't said but which have been pointed out. And she would've been made even less sure when Faye freaked out about it after finding out. I don't see any victim play here. I see her genuinely confused about why Faye is suddenly okay with it (with an angry face on for the sake of comedy). And what evidence is there that she did this to spite her friends? Faye is the only one who thinks it's a bad idea, and I don't recall Dora ever doing something like that before.
I doubt she will have a total whinefest on her date with Jim. She might have issues, but she's not socially awkward.
My goodness. Dora can't do anything normal? She probably isn't quite sure about the date, for reasons she hasn't said but which have been pointed out. And she would've been made even less sure when Faye freaked out about it after finding out. I don't see any victim play here. I see her genuinely confused about why Faye is suddenly okay with it (with an angry face on for the sake of comedy). And what evidence is there that she did this to spite her friends? Faye is the only one who thinks it's a bad idea, and I don't recall Dora ever doing something like that before.
I doubt she will have a total whinefest on her date with Jim. She might have issues, but she's not socially awkward.
Well not spite so much but...
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1946
Feigning ignorance, I'd like to say. No one started drama but her, arguably. She pussy-footed around the issue as much as Marten did.
It’s all speculation but what if Dora just hops into bed with him on the first date. That would be entirely too fast and ridiculous but I’d find it entirely believable if they’re sitting at a restaurant, and Dora sees Marten pass by the window, but Marten is too sucked in his own thoughts to notice Dora, or Jim. He’s just thinking things over on his way to the party, words of encouragement by Faye, and so on. Rather than make one theory however, I’m gonna take a few guesses on where our little date goes. I am not sure how that party may go, besides Marten either meeting a girl, or not meeting anyone and… Being completely happy with that.
~ On Dora’s side it’s the most awkward date in history, and on Jim’s, he thinks he’s in some strange state of love and he’s finally found a woman he can really relate to. Shenanigans ensue and misunderstandings and they’re lucky if they keep the whole business deal shebangabang going.
~ Dora and Jim complain to each other about all the horrible things that happen to them. Dora may either realize that this is what she does to her friends all the time, and how much she makes herself look like a victim… Or she’ll reason that this is part of being a strong, mature adult, all that whining and complaining, reason out that she no longer needs a therapist, and continue seeing Jim.
~ Adding to that, Jim may just lavish her on with a string of compliments; say the right things about Marten whenever he’s brought up and Dora will likely get sucked into it and him.
~ Dora complains, complains, and complains, Jim just takes it in, and says this was a kind of bad idea, I thought you were mature, so on and so forth, and “that Marten guy put up with a lot from you”, and Dora feels like… Crap.
~ Things are going well, Dora decides to show up at the party with Jim and… That will just not end well no matter how you look at it.
I also think this answers my question about whether she feels the same about Jim. She is still thinking about him when Tai comes in, and it seems like she's kind of scared, like "What did I do?"
I think it's obvious now that it's not a business dinner. I think she likes him too... : )
We don't know. The one who said 'date' was Raven, and she is likely to say that at any given chance. Most likely is that one of the parties thinks it's a business date and one thinks it's a pleasure date, since that is the funniest setup. :mrgreen:
Jim thinks it's all business, Dora throws herself at him only to get a "Child, please." response.
That would be the funniest thing to happen, plus it would probably help snap Dora into actually doing something to better herself on a personal level once she realized what depths she let herself sink to.
My goodness. Dora can't do anything normal? She probably isn't quite sure about the date, for reasons she hasn't said but which have been pointed out. And she would've been made even less sure when Faye freaked out about it after finding out. I don't see any victim play here. I see her genuinely confused about why Faye is suddenly okay with it (with an angry face on for the sake of comedy). And what evidence is there that she did this to spite her friends? Faye is the only one who thinks it's a bad idea, and I don't recall Dora ever doing something like that before.
I doubt she will have a total whinefest on her date with Jim. She might have issues, but she's not socially awkward.
illicit sympathyA good name for a rock band (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AGoodNameForARockBand).
I guess at this stage, we all realise that Marten is a type B (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StepfordSmiler).
Anyone else a little shocked he just jumped to Friday like that?
Also, Dora seems to fail to realize that Faye already tried to dissuade her, and she wouldn't listen, so why try again right before the date?
I'm reading this strip as Faye realizing what's the point of telling Dora off for the date when she knows that won't change Dora's mind and probably just drive her further into wanting to go on the date. Maybe Faye's just not in the mood to argue right before a party so she won't be angry and drinking. Faye's expression in the third panel looks really exasperated, like she's only saying what she's saying to avoid an argument that she thinks won't have a good result for either person other than pissing each other off.
Anyone else a little shocked he just jumped to Friday like that?
Also, Dora seems to fail to realize that Faye already tried to dissuade her, and she wouldn't listen, so why try again right before the date?
Well, there's the thing, really. This forum (and the relationship thread elsewhere) sometimes becomes a cluster of people shouting that the only healthy way to be is the way they were brought up. Laissez Fair, Protestant Work Ethic, or whatever in between.
to paraphrase Monty Python: GET ON WITH IT! The strip has the pace of a sloth.
You get an update 5 days a week. Quit complaining.
Back on topic. More and more, I kinda think that Dora loves to play the victim, or that she manipulates a situation so that others snap at her (or something similar), just so she can illicit sympathy from someone else. "Wah, they were so mean to me, wah."
Well, there's the thing, really. This forum (and the relationship thread elsewhere) sometimes becomes a cluster of people shouting that the only healthy way to be is the way they were brought up. Laissez Fair, Protestant Work Ethic, or whatever in between.
Errr, if that was directed to me and the Thursday/Friday comment, it was because the college I went to, the students would usually go home for the weekend after classes ended at one on the Friday, so Thursday night would be party night. Bars and clubs knew this so the cheapest night of the week would be Thursday.
Dude, don't you know you gotta get down on Friday?
It's a common mishap with webcomics. They come in tiny bits (most of them, anyway). When a particular storyline or story arc needs extensive development, it can be somewhat frustrating to receive it in small chunks, even though it isn't an issue when archive trawling.I wouldn't need to complain if.... nah forget it. First I read 1500 of the strips in about a week, and although I got used to the pace, nowadays with all the Dora/Marten/Tai drama... i don't know. It's like the scene in the first Austin Powers Movie, where the guard is killed by a steamroller after 1 minute of intense yelling STOOOOOPPPPP!!!!to paraphrase Monty Python: GET ON WITH IT! The strip has the pace of a sloth.You get an update 5 days a week. Quit complaining.
I just can't wait how that little sub-plot turns out.
/aye I say. Thank god, there are more than 1 webcomics in my feedlist ^^.It's a common mishap with webcomics. They come in tiny bits (most of them, anyway). When a particular storyline or story arc needs extensive development, it can be somewhat frustrating to receive it in small chunks, even though it isn't an issue when archive trawling.I wouldn't need to complain if.... nah forget it. First I read 1500 of the strips in about a week, and although I got used to the pace, nowadays with all the Dora/Marten/Tai drama... i don't know. It's like the scene in the first Austin Powers Movie, where the guard is killed by a steamroller after 1 minute of intense yelling STOOOOOPPPPP!!!!to paraphrase Monty Python: GET ON WITH IT! The strip has the pace of a sloth.You get an update 5 days a week. Quit complaining.
I just can't wait how that little sub-plot turns out.
/aye I say. Thank god, there are more than 1 webcomics in my feedlist ^^.Amen to that. And that's what makes archive trawls interesting, too.
I don't know man, I wouldn't be surprised if she still was kind of bitter about her father since that's completely natural and won't go away that easily.I do acknowledge your point though. She does have something in her life to still have negative emotions about. I just wouldn't have associated all that with the term 'bitterness'. All the current events in her life still seem to be going well though, at least unless she's got thoughts she isn't sharing.
I wasn't hating on Dora, just saying that Faye realized it was pointless to try to talk her out of it, so she might as well be as supportive as she can.Anyone else a little shocked he just jumped to Friday like that?
Also, Dora seems to fail to realize that Faye already tried to dissuade her, and she wouldn't listen, so why try again right before the date?
I think that says it all, without actually saying she's hated on as a character.
"elicit", not "illicit".
And after reading todays comic...Jim comes across as a tad creepy in the last panel. Or at least having a tendency towards foot in mouth syndrome.
Don't blow all your flattery at the beginning of the date.
Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.uuuuhhhh, harsh... that sounded like a very disappointed consciencem. Good one :-D
Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
That is some pretty heavy innuendo in panel three...
Well, I guess someone didn't take in Faye's gentle suggestion as well as Marten a couple of comics ago.
Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.
Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.
From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her isssues" and it's also really boring.Acutually, Jeph hasn't let us know if Dora has done any work on her issuses.
From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her issues" and it's also really boring.
Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.
Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.
Calling it now that Jim is Marten 2.0 with more self-confidence and a career.
Because the way Jim carried on in today's strip is exactly the way Marten would have behaved when things were going well with Dora back when they were dating.
Then it wouldn't be Marten. Its like saying "New and Improved", its either one or the other.
Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
[snip] having a bad lawyer. [/snip]
Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
Are you saying that if Marten had more self-confidence and a career he wouldn't be Marten anymore?
No, I'm saying that thinking along the lines of Marten 2.0 results in the Marten we know not exist, that everything we have seen him experience and go through would be for naught.
Marten 2.0 is also another way of saying "New and improved." Which is impossible. If its new, how could it be improved. If its improved then a version of it existed before and it couldn't be new. We have no way of knowing what Jim's back history is beyond owning a bakery, being divorced and having a bad lawyer. But his experiences must be different from Marten's so he can't be Marten 2.0
Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
From a storyline point of view, I don't see why she would do all the same stuff she did with Marten all over again. That's an awful lot of time and effort to just say "Dora hasn't fixed her issues" and it's also really boring.
The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them. Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.
So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
he had a short break from it while dating Dora,
his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
My bad, you're right about how long the "break" lasted. Either way though, it's obviously over, and Marten's had no luck with the ladies since, plus all the other crap he's had to deal with.
Sucks to be Marten once again, is all I'm saying.
I dont know if he knows that little connection between Jim and Dora and the Secrety Backery. And another blow against him. POW!his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
THANK YOU.
I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups. Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.
I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups. Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.That sounds disturbing and dumb. And even more disturbing since it's a male artist (together with his significant other) who writes that stuff. I'm not much into psychology, but how common is that? There is no learning curve just repeat the same bad choices again and again.
Of course, the rules of comedy state that tomorrow will see Faye and Marten on their way to the party, talking away, while Friday sees Marten and Dora crossing paths.I don't know if the rules of comedy apply to that situation. But seeing Dora in shock with Jim when she sees Faye and Marten (and viceversa) could help getting past that guest week
Cue Monday seeing the start of the QC guest week and people raging on the forum for a week about whats going to happen.
All the abuse he took from Faye, both physical and emotional, during that time, for one thing.
Emotional abuse?! What, saying she wanted to be his friend but not his girlfriend, and then, when he shows signs of wanting to go further, sticking to this?
(The "physical abuse" I always regarded as just being cartoon violence).
Emotional abuse?! What, not saying she wanted to be his friend but not his girlfriend, and then, when he shows signs of wanting to go further, sending mixed signals?FTFY
Wow! How very patronising of you to assume that I've only recently started to follow QC. I can't remember exactly when I started reading, but I've been posting on this forum for more than two years. And anyone who feels betrayed by a comic strip (high-school drama much?) has issues of attachment they need to work on. Seriously, if you don't like QC any more, stop reading.Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them. Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.
So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
I'm bothered with a detail in the development since the breakup. Since Martens mom meeting Dora, there was not one point where Dora showed any interest in Marten (in the comics). Wheter he is fine, or anything. Whereas Marten did ask how she is and what she's up to. OK some people force feed him that stuff like a he's a french goose with an appointment with a clever. Not that I'd think that Martens method is healthier. As I said a long time ago, that kid has got to grow some balls or he'd be the eternal punching bag.
Sound obvious, but that could be the main point in the dislike of Dora in the readership ( It sure is mine. Way to go mr. cartonist we have an antagonist :D ). The way, she dealt with the whole breakup looks very cold blooded these days.
Why does he get to move on to other girls, but Dora must swear off all others until she's sure Marten's all securely paired up? In what dimension do things work that way among humans?A dimension in which women are less important than men, supposed to organise their lives around the needs of the all-important men, and where their primary function is seen as supporting men. I cannot imagine a dimension like that... :angel:
Script's done. The people on my forums are going to be positively CATERWAULING by the end of this week.
Spot on. Man, I still read the comic, but I don't feel any attachment to the characters anymore.I used to feel significant emotional investment in the characters, but... that changed. I know it's not a very popular view, but I believe that several of the main characters aren't being written in a way which can be called consistent. To be more clear, I'm saying that there came a point at which I could no longer accept the current portrayal of "character x" as being the logical development of his or her own history. They became an imposter wearing the same face. This is true of several of the main characters. I believe it to have been intentional.
That's why the last few months QC hasn't been fun for me. :-(With all that said, QC is still enormous fun for me. It isn't as enjoyable as it once was, when I was emotionally in the moment with the characters who seemed so real, but I still get a kick out of it. It went through a bad phase immediately after the breakup, but it has quickly returned to form. In my opinion, this is the best that QC has been in a long time.
Quote from: Jeph's twitter feedScript's done. The people on my forums are going to be positively CATERWAULING by the end of this week.
Why wait?
Well, there's nothing to cause that today, anyway.
Doctor: Look forward to the end of the week with a rather ugly anticipation for incoming schadenfreude.
You are a heartless monster. D:<
Of course, the rules of comedy state that tomorrow will see Faye and Marten on their way to the party, talking away, while Friday sees Marten and Dora crossing paths.
Cue Monday seeing the start of the QC guest week and people raging on the forum for a week about whats going to happen.
It dissapoints me though. I used to really like these characters the way they were.
I figured someone would say this. I suppose it isn't unreasonable, but I don't accept it as a natural change. :)It dissapoints me though. I used to really like these characters the way they were.
Had a similar reaction the other week, flipping through my Graduation yearbook. It's surprising how quick people can change.
Jim is going to turn out to be the most well-adjusted and mature character in QC before it's over with.
That, or the thing Jeph mentioned in his twitter feed will turn out to be Jim banning Marten from tSB after the date with Dora (townie drama!).
Man I'm over 40 and for me, anyone under 25 has alot more in common with teenagers -kids- than they do with the over 30 crowd.
Seems to me chix only decide what they want out of relationships after 25, too...
As for being a 'dirty old man' - well, there sure is alot more +++ going for a younger chick! Sorry, but that's just the way it is for many (not all) guys!
Before it gets denegrated by a female, let's remember many (not all!) of them they go for the $$$ older guys. As if that is somehow more acceptable!
"I've got a bad feeling about this." - Han Solo, A New Hope
I know it's commonplace. But yeah, dumb. I'm not that good in tolerating self-abuse on everydays basis. How should you otherwise call someone who knows that he is making bad decisions over and over again. All the things you said are true, and much nicer than the stuff I said.I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups. Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.That sounds disturbing and dumb. And even more disturbing since it's a male artist (together with his significant other) who writes that stuff. I'm not much into psychology, but how common is that? There is no learning curve just repeat the same bad choices again and again.
Dumb? Really?
How about commonplace among individuals who have been in abusive or at least really crappy relationships in the past, something Sven already confirmed Dora's dealt with? I'm not really sure how Dora's coping mechanisms (which, incidentally, she's going to therapy for) are in any way dumb. Terrible? Sure. Painful? Yep. Dumb? Nope.
I'd also love to know how Jeph being male and having someone has anything to do with how he writes his comic either, because you really lost me there. :psyduck:
Wow! How very patronising of you to assume that I've only recently started to follow QC. I can't remember exactly when I started reading, but I've been posting on this forum for more than two years. And anyone who feels betrayed by a comic strip (high-school drama much?) has issues of attachment they need to work on. Seriously, if you don't like QC any more, stop reading.Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them. Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.
So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
Edit: On rereading, I realised that I'd misread part of the post to which I was replying. Fixed.
Maybe that has something to do with most webcomics mentioned in that tvtrope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale)
being on my feedlist.
Yeah I know. That's where I realized it. I looked and thought: hey I read that, and that and that oh and saw that movie and so on. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. You could fill a book the size of lotr with the sitcoms.Maybe that has something to do with most webcomics mentioned in that tvtrope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale)
being on my feedlist.
Got there long before you did mate.
I am surprised that you haven't covered that in English Lit yet. If you have a friend in the AP class, you can probably ask her about it.
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I don't mean to be too detailed here but your "high school much?" comment brought out the dad in me. That is right out of my 13 year old's playbook. Your post reminded me of the defensive and ascerbic way my 13 year old daughter gets. You have to roll with it and take deep breaths and keep trying. I am sure your parents probably feel the same way.
We sit here and write walls upon walls of massive text, all the while debating each and every little point and detail about the comic, right down to the author's TWITTER post.Welcome to Questionable Content, grimeyville. May I take your coat?
Safe to say,
Jeph is a damn good author, to illicit so many responses.
We sit here and write walls upon walls of massive text, all the while debating each and every little point and detail about the comic, right down to the author's TWITTER post.Welcome to Questionable Content, grimeyville. May I take your coat?
Safe to say,
Jeph is a damn good author, to illicit so many responses.
I reduced the size of 'Twitter' for politeness sake. Please do not be offended.
I figured someone would say this. I suppose it isn't unreasonable, but I don't accept it as a natural change. :)It dissapoints me though. I used to really like these characters the way they were.
Had a similar reaction the other week, flipping through my Graduation yearbook. It's surprising how quick people can change.
As I said repeatedly, it serves a purpose within the story, so... I'll accept it. Just about.
Bear in mind that the story so far of QC is only supposed to have lasted for about three years, I'd say.
Jim continues to be wonderful. :D
(Hi everyone, I'm sort of new. I've been reading these forums for ages but this is my first post)26 or 27 I think. It's a bit hard to be sure since there weren't much birthday strips (I think Hanners had one).
Jim says "You could be THIRTY...." as though that's his lower limit on acceptable age gaps but surely Dora can't be much more than about 28-29? I know she's older than Faye and Marten although a year younger than Sven.
I like that Jeph used a birch tree in todays comic.
Popcorn anyone?
Popcorn anyone?
Yeah sure, I'll bring the bean bags. Might as well be comfortable for the inevitable shitstorm coming up.
Why are they going on a date at (what appears to be) noon? It sure is bright! Maybe a lunch date? Just seems a bit out of the ordinary...
(Hi everyone, I'm sort of new. I've been reading these forums for ages but this is my first post)No, no, thirty is his upper limit (he's a LITTLE bit of a dirty old man).
Jim says "You could be THIRTY...." as though that's his lower limit on acceptable age gaps but surely Dora can't be much more than about 28-29? I know she's older than Faye and Marten although a year younger than Sven.
By the way - is that another "near cameo" of Sweetits there in the background of panel 3?
Maybe; my question is, what the hell is in the window of the shop they're passing in panel 3? In panel 1 it looks like maybe a clothing rack, but I can't make head nor tail of panel 3's shop.
4chan. /co/, if memory serves.We sit here and write walls upon walls of massive text, all the while debating each and every little point and detail about the comic, right down to the author's TWITTER post.Welcome to Questionable Content, grimeyville. May I take your coat?
Safe to say,
Jeph is a damn good author, to illicit so many responses.
I reduced the size of 'Twitter' for politeness sake. Please do not be offended.
Only if you can show me where you got that pretty Blue Lantern ring of yours...(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s173/aevannoy/Orange_Lantern___Greed_by_Rahentho.jpg)
I am very much looking forward to tonight's comic. I have never caterwauled before, it should be an interesting experience.
Although... charging for table space doesn't sound like that bad an idea... or maybe just charging for power sockets?
My question is, what the hell is in the window of the shop they're passing in panel 3? In panel 1 it looks like maybe a clothing rack, but I can't make head nor tail of panel 3's shop.
...Wi-Fi freeloaders and homeless whino's...
just appeals to my inner Corrupt Corporate Executive (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CorruptCorporateExecutive).
Forum Bottomfeeders: Imagine Hannelore as a sex worker.No thank you! I know it's a guest comic, but Hanners is from a wealthy family and took the job at CoD as a form of therapy mainly. What possible reason would she have for working in the sex industry?
Forum Bottomfeeders: Imagine Hannelore as a sex worker.No thank you! I know it's a guest comic, but Hanners is from a wealthy family and took the job at CoD as a form of therapy mainly. What possible reason would she have for working in the sex industry?
"Will whine for food".Will whine for wine?
You can do that without going into the industry...Yeah, but since when does Hannelore take half measures?
You can do that without going into the industry...Yeah, but since when does Hannelore take half measures?
"Will whine for food".Will whine for wine?You can do that without going into the industry...Yeah, but since when does Hannelore take half measures?
Thanks for that mental picture of a porn actress with OCD."Will whine for food".Will whine for wine?You can do that without going into the industry...Yeah, but since when does Hannelore take half measures?
"Did you wash that thing? Are you up on your shots? When was your last testing? Please list the partners from your last three films...
OK, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my closeup."
:psyduck:
You mean, confirm his opinion of this forum? It wasn't intended as a compliment, you know.
...Wi-Fi freeloaders and homeless whino's...
BEST. MISSPELLING. EVER!!! I can just see them, standing on the corner, holding a sign that says, "Will whine for food".
My apologies for not using the sledgehammer -- my sarcasm was clearly far too subtle.
coincidence? http://www.pvponline.com/2011/06/24/...Wi-Fi freeloaders and homeless whino's...
BEST. MISSPELLING. EVER!!! I can just see them, standing on the corner, holding a sign that says, "Will whine for food".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whino
The FIRST definition. Thank You Hustler for giving me that word way back when.