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Title: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jul 2011, 06:02
Here we go into the late '60's, mannnnnn.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 Jul 2011, 06:10
Hey, maybe in the 1967 comic we'll see some..err....love.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Jul 2011, 08:49
Hey, maybe in the 1967 comic we'll see some..err....love.

Well, that  was a stretch for a pun...

On Thursday (comic 1969) I take delivery of the remains of a 1969 VW bug, donated by a neighbor who found it in the barn when he bought his home last year.  It's a restoration project/birthday present for my younger daughter.  By the time it's running, we hope she'll be well enough to drive it around...



and I might even let her.   :police: :angel: :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 10 Jul 2011, 10:15
Hey, maybe in the 1967 comic we'll see some..err....love.
Well, that  was a stretch for a pun...

Never said it was perfect  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 10 Jul 2011, 10:17
Hey, maybe in the 1967 comic we'll see some..err....love.

Well, that  was a stretch for a pun...

On Thursday (comic 1969) I take delivery of the remains of a 1969 VW bug, donated by a neighbor who found it in the barn when he bought his home last year.  It's a restoration project/birthday present for my younger daughter.  By the time it's running, we hope she'll be well enough to drive it around...



and I might even let her.   :police: :angel: :laugh:
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Jul 2011, 10:21
Sounds like a plan Carl.  Just keep reminding her that she has to nice to Dad....
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jul 2011, 11:51
Here we go into the late '60's, mannnnnn.

From the year of birth of my step-son to the year of birth of my biological son.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 10 Jul 2011, 16:31
A guest strip week so that Jeph can take a week off,

where the guest artists all handle Marten and Dora's discussion,

which carries over to the next morning, so Marten and Dora continue said discussion over waffles

and on the Friday, we are shown everyone's reactions.


I think that about covers it. :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Jul 2011, 17:37
Well played.

Tuesday's comic is mine. And Mr. Hodges: you mean you are old enough to be my father?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jul 2011, 19:57
He's old enough to be my father (since he is several months older than my father), and my dad had me at 40.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sorflakne on 10 Jul 2011, 22:07
I'm with Faye. 

Much as I liked Marten and Dora's relationship, they've passed the point of recovery and if they got back together now, things would get awkward and it would all end in an even worse breakup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Jul 2011, 23:53
Mr. Hodges: you mean you are old enough to be my father?

He's old enough to be my father (since he is several months older than my father), and my dad had me at 40.

Hell, I think he's old enough to be my  father, and I'm old enough to have sired Method... 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jul 2011, 00:09
Hell, he's probably old enough to be his own father!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 00:12
Hell, he's probably old enough to be his own father!
That means he's older than the universe itself!  Which, according to xkcd (http://xkcd.com/376/), started in 1970.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 00:15
Mr. Hodges: you mean you are old enough to be my father?

Click my name, see my profile.  When the 1946 thread started, I used my privileges to change its title, without comment, adding "birth to four years", to see if anyone would get it; but the person who started that one noticed and changed it back (also without comment).

But I didn't know Lloyd George.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 00:21
You appear to be 21 years older than J-dub, so I guess you are old enough?  I mean, technically.  I'll be 24 next month, and there's no way I'm old enough to have a kid.  I mean, I physically could but it'd be a horrible idea at this point in my life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Jul 2011, 00:23
Still no new comic ...

... damn this is so suspenseful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 00:30
He's currently writing a script while answering questions on Tumblr.  So another three hours or so, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 11 Jul 2011, 01:18
I'd just like to say that I think Jeph is doing a fantastic job with this conversation arc. So far, he's 2 for 2: he got the set-up completely right, and the initial small-talk was pretty convincingly done as well. I can only assume that today we're getting down to the more serious stuff, which is probably going to be harder for him to script properly. I mean, clearly the break-up is still at the front of both Dora and Marten's minds, but the manner in which they bring it up seems like it would be a challenge to write...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 01:23
But I didn't know Lloyd George.

However, I knew my Great Grandmother, who died when I was 7 at the age of 103 (so she was born in 1850, and was 17 years older than Lloyd George).  Click here (http://cassland.org/images/1946.jpg) to see me in her lap in 1946, and click here (http://cassland.org/images/paul1952.jpg) to see us just a year before she died.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 11 Jul 2011, 03:39
Hey, maybe in the 1967 comic we'll see some..err....love.

Well, that  was a stretch for a pun...

On Thursday (comic 1969) I take delivery of the remains of a 1969 VW bug, donated by a neighbor who found it in the barn when he bought his home last year.  It's a restoration project/birthday present for my younger daughter.  By the time it's running, we hope she'll be well enough to drive it around...



and I might even let her.   :police: :angel: :laugh:

Wheeler Dealers Volkswagen Beetle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOgN52mlbs)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 03:44
COMIC!

And again, the drama is that there is no drama.  But perhaps we can stop worrying about it now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 11 Jul 2011, 03:48
Looks like Dora will get her wish (from 1962).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Welu on 11 Jul 2011, 03:49
I like the banter. The art in the last few comics have been really nice, especially Jeph's playing with the perspective.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: VonKleist on 11 Jul 2011, 03:53
But perhaps we can stop worrying about it now.

Don't make me laugh :|


Anywho.. If Marten and Dora get along, more power to them :-)

Hope to see something of the par-tay yet.
And, yeah. Kudos on the art, getting better all the time!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: TinPenguin on 11 Jul 2011, 04:06
I like the banter. The art in the last few comics have been really nice, especially Jeph's playing with the perspective.

Agreed. I think the fourth panel (or 3a) works really well. That silence wouldn't have been as good shown from the front, methinks.

And also agreed that it's nice see them bantering again... although I notice it is actually all coming from Dora. I think that shows something about their different attitudes to the reconciliation. It seems Dora's joking is her way of showing that she really wants to be friends again, while Marten's seriousness is his way of showing the same thing. I think it's clear that he's still a bit cut-up about the break-up (cut and broken, ouch!), but he's accepted it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jul 2011, 04:23
YAY!!!!!!!

Marten and Dora are friends again!

This makes me happy!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Jul 2011, 05:09
And now for drunken college shennanigans! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: snubnose on 11 Jul 2011, 05:20
Hmm why exactly isnt there a "Marten and Dora should get back together" thread ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 05:24
Probably because they shouldn't. 

Not yet, at least. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Somebody on 11 Jul 2011, 05:29
Hey, I demanded that this week's thread be Moon Week! ;)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 11 Jul 2011, 05:39
I'm slightly disappointed that Dora and Marten didn't talk more seriously about their issues, but that's literally the only complaint I've had for ages.

And it is immediately quashed by the enormous sense of relief I'm feeling that Dora and Marten are back on good terms with each other.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Skewbrow on 11 Jul 2011, 05:40
Hey, I demanded that this week's thread be Moon Week! ;)
In a way I support your demand for a special memorial this coming Thursday. But the anniversary of Eagle's landing is next week, and that's too close. My wife probably thinks that it hasn't really worked, but initially I thought that picking that date would make it easier for me to remember our anniversary.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: guayec on 11 Jul 2011, 05:50
i suppose that in a world with anthro-pcs, bionic hands and interdimensional coffee-makers, things are really easier between exes...
what im saying is, though i applaud the move and i think it will be good for the comic, and the characters, the conversation between marten and dora doesnt feel very real. the words, the facial expressions... it feels somewhat disconnected from their feelings (or from what ive come to think are their feelings).
but hey, im all for it. and its actually pretty therapeutic to watch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 11 Jul 2011, 05:53
well, that was fairly anti-climactic.....

i'm glad they are on good terms, I just wish the discussion was a little more meaningful
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 11 Jul 2011, 05:58
well, that was fairly anti-climactic.....

i'm glad they are on good terms, I just wish the discussion was a little more meaningful

What? You'd rather they had an explosive confrontation? The manatee on codeine? Looking at him, and judging by what Dora says, the guy is running on fumes at the minute. And even with everything Marten has been through, I really doubt he'd be the guy who says "Oh hey, its the girl who ripped out my heart and used it like a hacky-sack. Burn in hell bitch!"

And I just realised half the forum would be bowled over if that happened, dead from the shock.....
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 11 Jul 2011, 06:01
I think the discussion is perfectly natural but that forumgoers (including myself) are starting to confuse the emotions of hyped up fans with the actual character's.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jul 2011, 06:03
Well... it's a push. My dad's 71 this year, but he was six days shy of his 27th birthday when I was born.

And as to the comic: Ahhhhhhhhhh. Back to the snark and smartassery QC is famous for.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 06:04
I think the discussion is perfectly natural but that forumgoers (including myself) are starting to confuse the emotions of hyped up fans with the actual character's.

Agreed.  Sometimes, it really is  that easy! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jul 2011, 06:08
So easy, even a caveman could do it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 11 Jul 2011, 06:12
well, that was fairly anti-climactic.....

i'm glad they are on good terms, I just wish the discussion was a little more meaningful

What? You'd rather they had an explosive confrontation? The manatee on codeine? Looking at him, and judging by what Dora says, the guy is running on fumes at the minute. And even with everything Marten has been through, I really doubt he'd be the guy who says "Oh hey, its the girl who ripped out my heart and used it like a hacky-sack. Burn in hell bitch!"

And I just realised half the forum would be bowled over if that happened, dead from the shock.....

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that I didn't say explosive, I said meaningful.

I'm not interested in meaningless drama, I just felt that given the span of their relationship, there would be a little more meat to the conversation than "we cool?"

I also happen to enjoy reading some of the deeper moments in QC, as they don't occur nearly as often as the snarky/silly/sarcastic moments (but of course I find those moments entertaining, or else I wouldn't read QC in the first place). It's just.....sometimes you want pineapple upside down cake because you don't have it very often, y'know?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Elysiana on 11 Jul 2011, 06:14
Heh. My mom turns 72 this year and my dad would have been 73; they had me when they were 40 and 41, and my oldest brother is 19 years older than me.

Glad to see Marten and Dora finally talk. I don't even know that I'd call it anticlimactic even though there wasn't much conversation about it - I'm sure it's a big relief to both of them to know that the other isn't freaked out, or angry, or even pining away. Sitting there analyzing every detail of what went wrong would not be a step in the right direction because that's when the Blame Game starts. I'd rather not see them fall into that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 11 Jul 2011, 06:19
I think even an "I'm sorry" would have sufficed....I just feel that with all the growing up that everyone seems to think they need to do, this isn't the most adult way to clarify where they stand with each other. Not saying it was a BAD strip, I am definitely happy that they patched things up.

eta: Although now that I think about it, the witty banter is definitely more in character for them, albeit not necessarily in character with where Dora's head has been at lately in the strip. I suppose it is nice to see her going back to her roots  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 06:42
Wheeler Dealers Volkswagen Beetle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOgN52mlbs)

Just watched it all.  It was actually kinda depressing.  The one I'm getting is in nowhere near as good a shape - lotsa rust.  There's no way I can put that kind of money into it, either...


Time to buy a welder. 

(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/stockphotopro_79150HJW_no_title.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 11 Jul 2011, 06:44
Well, we actually never saw the full conversation they had during the break-up. Maybe they did all their apologies and analysis and discussioning then. There are plenty of examples and incidents to go through but in the end it wasn't much more than one partner being insecure and jealous while the other denied there was anything to be insecure and jealous about.

I can't think of anything worse than sitting and working everything out with an ex as though it were couple's therapy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 11 Jul 2011, 07:26
I think even an "I'm sorry" would have sufficed....I just feel that with all the growing up that everyone seems to think they need to do, this isn't the most adult way to clarify where they stand with each other. Not saying it was a BAD strip, I am definitely happy that they patched things up.

The deeper, more meaningful conversations come later. Probably after Dora's therapy starts to kick-in and she can re-evaluate herself and her past relationships more clearly. Right now they are at the civil behavior, no blame tossing, early conversation level. Sitting on a porch at someone's house in the middle of a party is not the deep long talk time or place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 11 Jul 2011, 07:42
Well, I like the idea of Moon Week myself, especially with Atlantis up there ending STS with a whimper, so I'll say this storyline is  "four forward, four forward, drifting to the right a little ... "

Kinda bugged Marten seems to be ceding control of the conversation a bit, but a) that's just our nonconfrontational-until-it-hits-the-fan hero and b) this ain't over yet.

Now, where is our diminutive and libidinous les-brarian? It is her party, after all ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 11 Jul 2011, 07:44
i suppose that in a world with anthro-pcs, bionic hands and interdimensional coffee-makers, things are really easier between exes...
what im saying is, though i applaud the move and i think it will be good for the comic, and the characters, the conversation between marten and dora doesnt feel very real. the words, the facial expressions... it feels somewhat disconnected from their feelings (or from what ive come to think are their feelings).
but hey, im all for it. and its actually pretty therapeutic to watch.
I can totally see where you're coming from, but I think conversations like this are just absolutely filled with subtext, and I think the silence in panel 4 is kind of evidence of that, as each person is trying to choose the words that will keep conversation going without making things incredibly awkward. It's a delicate dance, and I've seen it done before, even done it a few times myself, but especially in this dance, I tend to have two left feet.

Also, for those looking for growth from Marten, you should notice that he's the one who brought the conversation around to the heart of the matter, albeit in the most casual way possible. He was the one to bring it up though, and I think that counts for something. Possibly not much, but something.

Finally, I'd definitely agree that the artwork has been phenomenal lately.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: guayec on 11 Jul 2011, 08:00
I think even an "I'm sorry" would have sufficed....I just feel that with all the growing up that everyone seems to think they need to do, this isn't the most adult way to clarify where they stand with each other. Not saying it was a BAD strip, I am definitely happy that they patched things up.

eta: Although now that I think about it, the witty banter is definitely more in character for them, albeit not necessarily in character with where Dora's head has been at lately in the strip. I suppose it is nice to see her going back to her roots  :-P

well, you clearly said everything i wanted to say in a much better way. with people so good at writing their minds in this forum, i shouldnt post at all, just read.

PS: this forum needs a 'like' button.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jul 2011, 08:16
The last panel looks like the first time Marten has relaxed since the breakup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 11 Jul 2011, 08:32
The deeper, more meaningful conversations come later. Probably after Dora's therapy starts to kick-in and she can re-evaluate herself and her past relationships more clearly. Right now they are at the civil behavior, no blame tossing, early conversation level. Sitting on a porch at someone's house in the middle of a party is not the deep long talk time or place.

Thank you for this- I think I like this strip more when I consider that it may not be the end of the discussion. Some days I can feel my brain slowly morphing from quasi-casual QC reader into OMGQCWTFJJ insanity when I over-think the strips but then posts like this bring me back to reality  :-P


well, you clearly said everything i wanted to say in a much better way. with people so good at writing their minds in this forum, i shouldnt post at all, just read.

PS: this forum needs a 'like' button.

I'm a writing fanatic (it's the educator in me) but just because someone words something differently doesn't mean that your words aren't just as important  :-D

/fluffy teacherspeak

i concur with the like button! I've actually had moments where I went "Oh! I want to like this....oh wait."
Even more proof that Facebook has infiltrated way too much of my life. Not that i needed any....
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 11 Jul 2011, 09:19
I'm slightly disappointed that Dora and Marten didn't talk more seriously about their issues, but that's literally the only complaint I've had for ages.

And it is immediately quashed by the enormous sense of relief I'm feeling that Dora and Marten are back on good terms with each other.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. :lol:

For now.  Marten isn't over Dora, not by a longshot. What if Dora went into the party, met a guy, and they ended up exchanging numbers?  Do you think Marten would be rooting her on?

This situation usually happens after breakups.  Both parties say let's just be friends, but as soon as one moves on it gets uneasy real quick.  Let's see if Jeph continues the realism or if Marten somehow stops caring about being with Dora even though, as Dora pointed out, he isn't getting any sleep because of this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 09:42
He certainly wasn't comfortable bringing up the date, and seemed relieved to hear that it didn't go anywhere beyond Friendship.  It is  going to take them both a while, and it's good that they'll be able to talk about it on an as needed basis - but no more than that, because Marten still feels how raw it is, and Dora's supressing her raw feelings about it (as usual).  

So yeah, good first steps.  
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 09:43
The manatee on codeine?
I still have no idea what this means.  I know what a manatee is, but I don't get how Marten is like one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 09:52
Manatees are fairly large, slow moving and slower to react - so slow in fact, that they tend to get cut up by the propellers of fishing boats. 


Now put one on really goooood painkillers. 


The original reference came from Dora in the comic, as a poke at his lack of decisiveness. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Jul 2011, 10:09
610
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 10:14
Ah, found it (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=610).  I thought that was something the forum made up, I forgot it was from the comic.

Modified: Damn, I found it a while ago, just took a while to hit post :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 11 Jul 2011, 10:29
I was actually worried it would end up being too drama-ish.. soap opera-ish. I predict at least one "sorry" coming up though. This ain't ovah yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Baeronvonbleat on 11 Jul 2011, 10:44
Didn't like the comic... couldn't quite put my finger on why.

Then I went back and re-read it.  And to clarify, not liking means it's a great story, and I'm bought into the story so much that the realization was unsettling.

Dora and Marten titling each other as "Exes" really creates a clear line that they agree the relationship is gone and past, and they've moved (are moving) on, so I read the comic and for the first time reached the point where I don't see them getting back together  :-(
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jacjyd on 11 Jul 2011, 11:13
I'm slightly disappointed that Dora and Marten didn't talk more seriously about their issues, but that's literally the only complaint I've had for ages.

And it is immediately quashed by the enormous sense of relief I'm feeling that Dora and Marten are back on good terms with each other.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. :lol:

For now.  Marten isn't over Dora, not by a longshot. What if Dora went into the party, met a guy, and they ended up exchanging numbers?  Do you think Marten would be rooting her on?

This situation usually happens after breakups.  Both parties say let's just be friends, but as soon as one moves on it gets uneasy real quick.  Let's see if Jeph continues the realism or if Marten somehow stops caring about being with Dora even though, as Dora pointed out, he isn't getting any sleep because of this.
Hmm I guess that works...I find that there's a time and place for the meaningful discussion and it's usually at this point, but hey if we're guessing it won't be completely clean anyway I guess there's some more passive-aggressive ex stuff left to fit all of the real talk in! But maybe in QC land it's possible to have clean reconciliation in a few panels of chat.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jacjyd on 11 Jul 2011, 11:15
Dora and Marten titling each other as "Exes" really creates a clear line that they agree the relationship is gone and past, and they've moved (are moving) on, so I read the comic and for the first time reached the point where I don't see them getting back together  :-(

But labeling each other as exes allows for things exes do!  Like things that rhyme with ex!  :-) That's relatable, right?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Blood-Tree on 11 Jul 2011, 11:19
Y'know, considering how much is written in the WCDTs about how flawed/warped/twisted/psychotic Marten and Dora both are, it's surprising how maturely they're acting.

Heaven knows I wouldn't be cool about it...

 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 11 Jul 2011, 11:53
Very little of what is written about Marten and Dora in the WCDT relates in any way to Maten or Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 11 Jul 2011, 11:54
Very little of what is written about Marten and Dora in the WCDT relates in any way to Maten or Dora.

Who is Maten?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 11:56
Heaven knows I wouldn't be cool about it...

It actually depends hugely on the precise circumstances as well as your feelings - and the other person.  The variability is nicely shown, for example, in the different behaviours that Scott Pilgrim (in the books) shows towards his four exes: Kim, Envy, Knives, and Lisa (not quite an ex - a bit like Faye, in that respect only).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Jul 2011, 12:03
I always wondered about all the rabbits wearing frat logos.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 11 Jul 2011, 12:06
*raises hand*
Umm....Dora? What "old quarry" are you talking about? I don't recall Jeph ever adding one into QC.

Unless Jeph is going to retcon that in later this week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 12:10
Well she has to keep it secret, so that they can't find the bodies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=522)!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kazukagii on 11 Jul 2011, 12:17
Marten: "So does Dora actually dump all her ex's bodies into the old quarry?"
Sven: "Oh man, I had to help her drag a body there once. Real big one, too heavy for her to lift. Worst night, ever."
Marten: "Er..."
Sven: "I mean the smell! How many assholes did she date!? Anyway, yeah I'd suggest not getting on her bad side."
Later
Marten: "So, we ARE cool, right?"
Dora: "Yeah, why?"
Marten: "Just checking."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 11 Jul 2011, 12:20
Well she has to keep it secret, so that they can't find the bodies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=522)!
I will laugh if the quarry is revealed to be the one used for nearly every classic Doctor Who episode.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 11 Jul 2011, 12:38
Well she has to keep it secret, so that they can't find the bodies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=522)!

I was thinking more along the lines of the "secret coffee bean roasting process".

I can't be the only person that thought that was the only good part of Fried Green Tomatoes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 11 Jul 2011, 12:44
Wheeler Dealers Volkswagen Beetle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjOgN52mlbs)

Just watched it all.  It was actually kinda depressing.  The one I'm getting is in nowhere near as good a shape - lotsa rust.  There's no way I can put that kind of money into it, either...


Time to buy a welder. 

(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/stockphotopro_79150HJW_no_title.jpg)

Wheeler Dealers VW Bug to Beach Buggy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzZ2KP4P_o)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 11 Jul 2011, 12:47
Well she has to keep it secret, so that they can't find the bodies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=522)!

It's probably the same place Faye (and apparently Angus) dump their  victims. (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1476)

Also, guys, have a little patience before you say you're disappointed. I seriously doubt their conversation is over yet; it's only monday after all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 11 Jul 2011, 12:53
But Faye herself uses dumpsters (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 11 Jul 2011, 13:00
Well she has to keep it secret, so that they can't find the bodies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=522)!
I was thinking more along the lines of the "secret coffee bean roasting process".
I can't be the only person that thought that was the only good part of Fried Green Tomatoes.

"It's made from people! C.o.D. coffee is made from people. She's making the coffee out of people. Next she'll be breeding us like coffee plants for beans! We gotta warn them. We gotta warn them!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 13:11
Dora and Marten titling each other as "Exes" really creates a clear line that they agree the relationship is gone and past, and they've moved (are moving) on, so I read the comic and for the first time reached the point where I don't see them getting back together  :-(

But labeling each other as exes allows for things exes do!  Like things that rhyme with ex!  :-) That's relatable, right?
(http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08520.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 11 Jul 2011, 15:21
Dora and Marten titling each other as "Exes" really creates a clear line that they agree the relationship is gone and past, and they've moved (are moving) on, so I read the comic and for the first time reached the point where I don't see them getting back together  :-(
But labeling each other as exes allows for things exes do!  Like things that rhyme with ex!  :-) That's relatable, right?
(http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08520.jpg)
Well done, good sir.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 11 Jul 2011, 15:47

For now.  Marten isn't over Dora, not by a longshot. What if Dora went into the party, met a guy, and they ended up exchanging numbers?  Do you think Marten would be rooting her on?

This situation usually happens after breakups.  Both parties say let's just be friends, but as soon as one moves on it gets uneasy real quick.  Let's see if Jeph continues the realism or if Marten somehow stops caring about being with Dora even though, as Dora pointed out, he isn't getting any sleep because of this.

Well, as akronnick pointed out, Marten looks like he's finally starting to relax about the whole break-up, and as Baeron said, they are calling each other exes, or at least Marten is, so it's clear that they're both attempting to move on in their own way. Plus, it's not Marten's place to say whether anyone can or can't date Dora (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1949), so I guess if she DID meet some guy or girl (or even Tai) at this party and got their number, he'd be fairly cool with it, especially now that they've had this talk.

I mean, it wouldn't be at all fair on Dora if she felt she wasn't allowed to date because Marten wasn't over her yet, or vice-versa. (Although if you ask me, Dora's going to get a date first, since Marten is legendarily hopeless with the ladies (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=532).) If they're not going to move into a serious discussion of their respective problems, and I can sort of see why they wouldn't just yet, the best thing they can do now is rejoin the party and have a good time while they're at it.


 (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08520.jpg)



Well played, indeed.

You're thinking 'pecs', right? I'm not really familiar with gym equipment...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jul 2011, 16:05
I think even an "I'm sorry" would have sufficed....I just feel that with all the growing up that everyone seems to think they need to do, this isn't the most adult way to clarify where they stand with each other. Not saying it was a BAD strip, I am definitely happy that they patched things up.

You could argue that she apologized when they broke up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 16:14
You're thinking 'pecs', right? I'm not really familiar with gym equipment...
Nay.  Look at the top of the thing, it's called a "Bowflex".  When I was growing up I'd always see commercials for those.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Welu on 11 Jul 2011, 16:32
Sitting on a porch at someone's house in the middle of a party is not the deep long talk time or place.

I've actually had some of my deepest and most meaningful conversations in that kind of situation. Drink is flowing, friends are together, relaxed atmosphere and places like the porch are the only place to get alone. I know Dora and Marten aren't drunk and you don't need to drink to get deep but that's an example of my personal experience. Although I do agree they shouldn't get much deeper at this point for risking becoming uncivil.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Jul 2011, 16:52
I don't think it would ever  get uncivil between these two - it got that way during the breakup and in a fight or two, but it really goes against Marten's grain (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=789), and with nothing at stake anymore, there's no reason for Dora to get nasty, either.  Even when she was mid fight at the height of the breakup, she ran off and then, very calcmly and civilly, broke it off (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799). 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jul 2011, 17:48
Well, at least there wasn't blood.

Nice to see them talking like mature adults though



Oh, BTW Dora, Quarries too obvious.   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Jul 2011, 18:24
Which of these is more likely?

More of Dora & Marten's discussion    - 19 (30.6%) <--WINNAH!
The rest of the party & the other four's reactions    - 15 (24.2%)
Scene change to the next morning    - 8 (12.9%)
Guest Strip Week!    - 2 (3.2%)
Waffles.    - 3 (4.8%)
Nothing. Jeph takes a week off just tick us all off.    - 0 (0%)
All of the above.    - 15 (24.2%)

Total Voters: 62
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: guayec on 11 Jul 2011, 21:33
man, again that guy with the wings. what the hell is that.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 11 Jul 2011, 21:43
Poor Dora. That's awkward.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sorflakne on 11 Jul 2011, 21:51
And here I assumed they were all checking out Dora.  I mean, she does come walking into a college party dressed in a cocktail dress...why wouldn't they be checking her out?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jul 2011, 21:51
Now, Dora, no need to be rude.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: tomart on 11 Jul 2011, 22:15
man, again that guy with the wings. what the hell is that.  :psyduck:


Yeah, i can imagine several uses for shirt-wings like that, but in the FRONT?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pendrake on 11 Jul 2011, 22:16
For comic #1967...

1. Panel for panel, #1967 is a great strip.  Wonder how much time + effort Jeph put into this one?

2. I really liked panel #2, the "satisfied result" smiles on both Dora and Marten are really expressive.  As much as Dora's face & smile are extremely well done, I think I like Marten's background angle showing the anti-drama reaffirmation of their friendship.

3. Panel #3 was also a great artwork "front" angle shot.  The panel reminded me of Marigold's moment from Number 1464: Cheers (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1464), but from the opposite angle.

4. "We saw your friends watching you and thought something interesting was going on."  Something interesting was going on, just not the way they thought.

5. I am glad things turned out this way, it will be nice to see some a return to some of the "classic" (we can call it that now, right?  with our nearing the 2,000 mark...? :-o ) Questionable Content.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 11 Jul 2011, 22:46
Panel for panel, #1967 is a great strip.  Wonder how much time + effort Jeph put into this one?

A lot. You should watch him draw it sometime. (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/questionable-content-video) He announces via twitter when he broadcasts his drawing.

/plug
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Jul 2011, 22:49
Matchmaker, matchmaker...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 11 Jul 2011, 23:22
And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 11 Jul 2011, 23:29
I love how sometimes things like everyone watching through the window in #1965 would go unnoticed by everyone else in the vicinity.

But no, not on Jeph's watch. :P
And he's right. People DO notice these things, and a crowd WOULD form like that to see what's so interesting. It's one of the realistic touches that I really like about Questionable Content. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: annietiger on 11 Jul 2011, 23:40
Ohh Dora looks so pretty in today's strip! And Marten's little smile in the second panel makes me so happy =)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 12 Jul 2011, 00:09
Umm....Dora? What "old quarry" are you talking about? I don't recall Jeph ever adding one into QC.
Ditchfork gave it 9.6! But Faye calls that bullshit (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1476).

Two great strips art-wise, though I wasn't quite convinced by Dora's neck/jawline in the fifth panel of 1966, and I'm not sure what to make of her expression in the second panel of 1967. Kind of mischievous of Marten to point her at Tai. I hope Tai hasn't so liberally drowned her sorrow that her crush wasn't coming to the party, that she makes an idiot of herself now Dora is finally there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 00:32
Rejected last lines for today's comic:

Partygoer: ....but now we can see it's just dumb townie drama.
Dora: We're not townies!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Dust on 12 Jul 2011, 00:49
Rejected last lines for today's comic:

Partygoer: ....but now we can see it's just dumb townie drama.
Dora: We're not townies!

Enter Renee for no reason.
Renee: He couldn't into a coffeeship because of a break-up? You're both fuckin' townies!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 12 Jul 2011, 01:59
Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

Also... I love the second panel. It says so much without any words. Great work Jeph!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jul 2011, 02:11
Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

He probably just felt that going in together might give the wrong message.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: VonKleist on 12 Jul 2011, 02:48
Enter Renee for no reason.
Renee: He couldn't into a coffeeship because of a break-up? You're both fuckin' townies!

Might I say, you accidentaly a whole word.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 03:24
Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

He probably just felt that going in together might give the wrong message.

Or he saw the crowd and knew how awkward the upcoming moment was going to be, so he decided to hang back and watch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: TinPenguin on 12 Jul 2011, 03:40
So everybody saw a couple of people having a frank and fair conversation and turned it into a big thing?

It's like a metaphor for the forum.

A metaphorum, you might say.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Welu on 12 Jul 2011, 03:52
I don't think it would ever  get uncivil between these two - it got that way during the breakup and in a fight or two, but it really goes against Marten's grain (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=789), and with nothing at stake anymore, there's no reason for Dora to get nasty, either.  Even when she was mid fight at the height of the breakup, she ran off and then, very calcmly and civilly, broke it off (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799). 

"Uncivil" probably wasn't the right term. I guess I just meant to avoid a fight, which gladly they have so far.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: sluthy on 12 Jul 2011, 04:01
Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 12 Jul 2011, 04:07
Argh, C'mon in Marten. Don't stay outside all alone :(

He probably just felt that going in together might give the wrong message.
Hmmm, that makes a lot of sense indeed. :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 12 Jul 2011, 04:10
Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?

Or d) a nice guy (as opposrd to a quote Nice Guy enquote) who is thinking about his friends' happiness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Jul 2011, 04:30
Or e) doesn't really care whether Tai gets with Dora or not any more?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: sluthy on 12 Jul 2011, 04:58
Or e) doesn't really care whether Tai gets with Dora or not any more?

I maybe should've implied that more in a), meaning "meh, I'm cool either way, do what you want".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 12 Jul 2011, 05:10
So everybody saw a couple of people having a frank and fair conversation and turned it into a big thing?

It's like a metaphor for the forum.

A metaphorum, you might say.
ow!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 12 Jul 2011, 05:29

Renee: He couldn't into a coffeeship because of a break-up?


Come to think of it, I'm fairly sure that Renée has some experience in that area (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1363). Does it make her a townie too if Angus was technically the one who wasn't able to come to CoD?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 12 Jul 2011, 05:36
Yeah right, from  "nah I shouldn't date anyone" to "a little voyage in my bisexual desires is ok!"

It would be interesting to watch. How she justifes it, I mean.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jul 2011, 05:39
And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.


You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

Rejected last lines for today's comic:

Partygoer: ....but now we can see it's just dumb townie drama.
Dora: We're not townies!

Enter Renee for no reason.
Renee: He couldn't go into a coffee shop because of a break-up? You're both ####in' townies!

Win.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 05:52
And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.


You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

"Lesbian bimbo", why?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Jul 2011, 05:58
And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.
You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?
"Lesbian bimbo", why?

I thought it was some weird portmanteau, like "LesBo" or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 12 Jul 2011, 06:04
Yeah right, from  "nah I shouldn't date anyone" to "a little voyage in my bisexual desires is ok!"

It would be interesting to watch. How she justifes it, I mean.

All she's done (or even mentioned) so far is going inside.

She hasn't even said anything to Tai yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Jul 2011, 06:16
Thus demonstrating how these forums take a small idea and run with it. 


Like dogs over a scrap of meat. 




Or maybe more like squirrels over the last nut...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Black Sword on 12 Jul 2011, 06:22
And hilariously, Tai has remained unaware through all that.
You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?
"Lesbian bimbo", why?

I thought it was some weird portmanteau, like "LesBo" or something.

Perhaps a "bimbian?"

RE: recent comic events: meh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 06:25
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi (another character in another comic for those who don't know). Tai invited Dora and Dora finally showed up. Nothing more than that. Both Dora and Marten are at a party and any of the usual party related things may happen to either of them. Now that the serioius moment is over, I'd rather watch hijinks the rest of the week...along with Hannelore and Marigold dancing.  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 12 Jul 2011, 07:24
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii (http://www.menagea3.net/cast.html), I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: LoveJaneAusten on 12 Jul 2011, 07:36
Faces are getting pointier and I think it looks pretty bad, especially since they change shape panel to panel. Soon all the characters will have crescent moon faces.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 12 Jul 2011, 07:58
You know, of course, that she's probably elsewhere in the house with some random bimbo.

...What would be the term for a lesbian bimbo, anyways?

well duh, limbo!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 12 Jul 2011, 08:09
Panels two and three are the best Dora art I've seen in ages, well done.

Marten's line made me wonder about the meaning. He knows that Tai was gonna make a move on her, so when he said "go talk to Tai, she'll be thrilled", is he:
a) giving the go-ahead to said move,
b) thinking that Tai will no longer make a move since they had their 'bros' moment in the library, or
c) totally absent minded to Tai's (former?) motives?

Or d) a nice guy (as opposrd to a quote Nice Guy enquote) who is thinking about his friends' happiness.

I'd say e) I'm going to try and prove I'm cool with this and suggest you go talk to someone who's interested in you.  Let's face it though, if Tai and Dora did anything physical Marten would not be cool with it or a nice guy.

I thought it was already established Marten was a "Nice Guy"?  As in, he's complained about putting up with stuff on multiple occassions which is something a true nice guy wouldn't do.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jul 2011, 08:29
It's been established that a number of people keep saying that Marten is a "Nice Guy", but that many disagree, and that some think the concept is a flawed and ill-defined stereotype in any case.  For some reason the subject tends to get the forum worked up (I think largely because the proponents of this view often come over as obsessive in this matter), so I'm inclined to discourage raising it yet again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 08:34
I'd say e) I'm going to try and prove I'm cool with this and suggest you go talk to someone who's interested in you.  Let's face it though, if Tai and Dora did anything physical Marten would not be cool with it or a nice guy.

I thought it was already established Marten was a "Nice Guy"?  As in, he's complained about putting up with stuff on multiple occassions which is something a true nice guy wouldn't do.

The point of contention is that if Marten was a "Nice Guy", he wouldn't genuinely be friends with Hannelore (as one of many examples). But as you pointed out, a guy can be nice in general and still have enough backbone to not put up with some of the shit Marten complains about "having" to put up with.

I think Marten definitely started out in the comic as a "Nice Guy" and has been slowly evolving into something else, but others seem to think Marten could never have been a Nice Guy. As if someone that is one can never stop being one, or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jul 2011, 08:38
It is probably more interesting to discuss Marten's behaviour and motivations themselves, without using a label that is controversial and of uncertain meaning.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 12 Jul 2011, 09:00
PWHodges is correct. i should not have brought up the nice vs. Nice straw man. I should have said "decent guy" instead. Maybe "considerate."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jacjyd on 12 Jul 2011, 09:37
You're thinking 'pecs', right? I'm not really familiar with gym equipment...
Nay.  Look at the top of the thing, it's called a "Bowflex".  When I was growing up I'd always see commercials for those.

For some reason P90X came to mind first. Haha I want a bowflex...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 09:47
It is probably more interesting to discuss Marten's behaviour and motivations themselves, without using a label that is controversial and of uncertain meaning.

It's only controversial to the people that think it applies to them, really. The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all, since it basically boils down to "any guy with a martyr complex that is incapable of forming a lasting relationship with a woman that isn't predicated on lies (or pretty much any misogynist)".

Anyone that was seriously posting here calling Dora a whore or slut for not waiting until Marten was okay with it before going out with Jim, for example.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jul 2011, 09:51
The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all,

Wikipedia disagrees:
Quote from: Wikipedia
One difficulty in studying the "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the ambiguity of the "nice guy" construct. Participants in studies interpret "nice guy" to mean different things.
followed by examples and references to studies.

That's enough for me to say that the controversy that using the term here brings just isn't worth the trouble.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 10:12
The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all,

Wikipedia disagrees:
Quote from: Wikipedia
One difficulty in studying the "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the ambiguity of the "nice guy" construct. Participants in studies interpret "nice guy" to mean different things.
followed by examples and references to studies.

That's enough for me to say that the controversy that using the term here brings just isn't worth the trouble.

Counterpoint: Every movie with Micheal Cera, Jesse Eisenberg from "The Squid and the Whale" and "Adventureland", Steve Carrell in "The 40 Year Old Virgin", Zach Braff in "The Last Kiss", Max Minghella in "Art School Confidential" and pretty much every movie Woody Allen has ever been in, as well.

All "Nice Guys", and Marten shares characteristics with all of them (except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're talking about portrayals in fiction, too.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 12 Jul 2011, 10:46
"Nice Guy" is a label which doesn't mean much except something negative. So what we're gonna do is define that label so that it fits Marten's characteristics. And then other people will redefine the term "Nice Guy" and because Marten already falls under the label "Nice Guy", "logic" dictates that he has the characteristics in their definition. i.e. The label results in people attributing characteristics to Marten that he doesn't have and the forum becomes angry fanfic.

Don't make like we're all rational enough to stop this from happening.

Another thing: Even if we were to agree on the exact characteristics of "Nice Guy", it's not like it's a species of plant. It will only result (has resulted) in people deciding that he is partly a "Nice Guy" and then debating to what degree he fits in a category that was made up in the first place. Is there such a thing as partly an Oak Tree? No. Because that label actually works.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 10:49
You would have a point if the term hasn't been around since (at least) 1939.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 12 Jul 2011, 10:52
I've given up on the term nice guy, I like "gentleman."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 12 Jul 2011, 10:58
Woops, I already removed the post because I figured it wasn't productive. You caught me  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 10:59
I have no idea what you're talking about.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 11:01
You would have a point if the term hasn't been around since (at least) 1939.
Dude, what?  1939 was about the Science Fairy and the Arbor Day Giraffe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 11:02
I meant the literal year, where (as far as anyone that has researched it can tell) the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last" comes from (as a bastardization of a different quote by a baseball coach).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 12 Jul 2011, 11:05
ANYWAY
(except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

Manic Pixie Dream Girl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 11:14
ANYWAY
(except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).

Manic Pixie Dream Girl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl).

Here's your Nice Guy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceGuy).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 11:17
I meant the literal year, where (as far as anyone that has researched it can tell) the phrase "Nice Guys Finish Last" comes from (as a bastardization of a different quote by a baseball coach).
Yeah, but that's less "being passive agressive" and more "not intentionally stabbing people with baseball cleats when sliding into a base".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jul 2011, 11:56
So, Dora figures she can't be serious with someone until she recovers a bit.

We haven't seen her do casual, but she's never ruled it out either, and she does tease about it. Many a true word is spoken in jest. She was probably, but not necessarily, teasing about letting Tai be her post-Marten rebound.

Tai has Real Feelings toward her.

If they get together, there could be drama from mismatched expectations. From what Dora knows of Tai, she'd expect to be a casual fling.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I don't want the imaginary people to get hurt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 11:59
So, Dora figures she can't be serious with someone until she recovers a bit.

We haven't seen her do casual, but she's never ruled it out either, and she does tease about it. Many a true word is spoken in jest. She was probably, but not necessarily, teasing about letting Tai be her post-Marten rebound.

Tai has Real Feelings toward her.

If they get together, there could be drama from mismatched expectations. From what Dora knows of Tai, she'd expect to be a casual fling.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I don't want the imaginary people to get hurt.


I hope this doesn't happen because it would literally be the worst thing Jeph could do next to giving all the creepy Hannelore Rule #34 people their wish.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 12:04
What makes you say that?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 12:10
What makes you say that?

Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut, personified. Having Dora hook up with her in meaningless rebound sex after the conversation she just had with Jim would be a terrible, terrible direction for the story to go in.

Some random, nameless person at the party (Dude with wings on his shirt?), maybe. But not a named character that everyone is going to be able to put an out-of-character behavior interpretation on.

Unless Tai turns Dora down, that's the only way it could play out and still "work".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 12 Jul 2011, 12:11
ohai awkward greeting. Let's hope Faye and Hanners don't get punished for this (Angus and Marigold are accessories on a technicality, so they get off scot-free).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jul 2011, 12:17
Terrible as in untrue to the characters, or as in inferior storytelling, or as in unpleasant to read?

(It doesn't have to be just one of those).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 12:19
Terrible as in untrue to the characters, or as in inferior storytelling, or as in unpleasant to read?

(It doesn't have to be just one of those).

I'd say 50/50 the first two, with the margin of error being taken up by the last one.

Though I still say Dora going all Carrie on the party via guest strips would still be a good way to end the week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 12:22
Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 12:30
Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.

Not when you consider how often that portrayal of her has been used as a gag in this comic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 12 Jul 2011, 12:45
She's a slut because she's polyamorous and jokes about sex?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 12 Jul 2011, 12:48
And hey.. I like you! You're always so.. controversial!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 12:49
Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.

Not when you consider how often that portrayal of her has been used as a gag in this comic.
I think the gag is less "slut" and more "college student".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Heliphyneau on 12 Jul 2011, 12:51
Yay!  Dora and Marten are friends again, so they (and the strip) can finally move on.

Now that the serioius moment is over, I'd rather watch hijinks the rest of the week...along with Hannelore and Marigold dancing.  :-)

I'm with you on that -- I'd love to see some silliness, hijinks, wackiness, hubbub, flapdoodle, shenanigans, tomfoolery, and whatnot.  The AnthoPCs don't have to have all the fun.   :-D

Love the art in panels 2 and 3 of strip #1967.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 12:56
Tai is basically the hyperbolic lesbian slut
That's rather harsh.

Not when you consider how often that portrayal of her has been used as a gag in this comic.
I think the gag is less "slut" and more "college student".

Only if you think the two have to be synonymous.

She's a slut because she's polyamorous and jokes about sex?

Considering "slut" is what everyone who isn't polyamorous thinks of people that self-describes as polyamorous, yes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2011, 12:59
"Slut" and "college student" aren't synonymous, just as "slut" and "polyamorous" aren't.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 13:00
ohai awkward greeting. Let's hope Faye and Hanners don't get punished for this (Angus and Marigold are accessories on a technicality, so they get off scot-free).

Angus looks quite bored in the last two panels lol.

I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 13:06
"Slut" and "college student" aren't synonymous, just as "slut" and "polyamorous" aren't.

Another term I've seen used on poly blogs is "Ethical Slut", so yeah, they kind of are.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: themacnut on 12 Jul 2011, 13:09
Tai's most likely passed out cold on a couch by now. With her pants missing.

There'll be no drama there.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Jul 2011, 13:16
Angus looks quite bored in the last two panels lol.

I think Angus believes his days of going to college parties were long over.

I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

But at least there'll be........DRAMAtm

And we'll get a few laughs.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 12 Jul 2011, 13:32
Or at least that the days of high school eavesdropping were long over  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 12 Jul 2011, 14:27
In regards to how to label Tai's sexual promiscuity, don't forget she has taken off clothing in the panel, it has been implied she did so off-panel, and she has sought excuses to take off clothing, and if I recall correctly, each time it happened, it was with someone she was not seeing at the time, so I think that would go beyond the definition of polyamory and well into the definition of promiscuity, or in other words, the term "slut" wouldn't be too far off the mark. That doesn't mean you shouldn't like her though, especially as a fictional character.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 15:18
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii (http://www.menagea3.net/cast.html), I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...

I only meant that in the context that Zii never fails to get her woman...or threesome...regardless of their sexual orientation. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Jul 2011, 15:28
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii (http://www.menagea3.net/cast.html), I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...

I only meant that in the context that Zii never fails to get her woman...or threesome...regardless of their sexual orientation. :roll:

Well, except for Didi
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 15:57
So, Dora figures she can't be serious with someone until she recovers a bit.

We haven't seen her do casual, but she's never ruled it out either, and she does tease about it. Many a true word is spoken in jest. She was probably, but not necessarily, teasing about letting Tai be her post-Marten rebound.

Tai has Real Feelings toward her.

If they get together, there could be drama from mismatched expectations. From what Dora knows of Tai, she'd expect to be a casual fling.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I don't want the imaginary people to get hurt.

Please remember that these are just characters in a story.
I would hope things would stay quiet on the romantic front for Dora for a least a year. This based solely on her own decision and realization that she not date until she gets some things worked out. However, after about a year or so of therapy it might offer some juicy storytelling if Tai and Dora were to have a relationship simular to Sven and Faye, only to have Dora take the Sven roll at the end. This of course would led us to wonder what the heck is going on in that family. If on the other hand Tai were to pull a Sven this could lead to Marten taking the same roll Dora did when things crashed between her brother and Faye.
This of course leads to many amusing possibilities.

On another note...Would it be interesting or amusing, considering how Marten is currently seen both inside and outside the forth wall, if Marten found himself in the role of "the other man" in the future? I feel Faye's snarky-ness would exceed all predetermined parameters.
Or am I just evil?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Jul 2011, 16:03
Or am I just evil?

No. I'm Evil.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 12 Jul 2011, 16:05
I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: leahneedsanap on 12 Jul 2011, 16:18
I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.

Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke.  It's just awful.

Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tanksenior on 12 Jul 2011, 16:26
I think the kind of joke he was implying is to make her think that they had sex and she just doesn't remember because of the high amounts of alcohol she drank that night. Not that he had sex with her in her sleep :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Jul 2011, 16:42
I think it would be a considerable step too far for Jeph, and so it's inappropriate to fantasise about it here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 18:24
I think the kind of joke he was implying is to make her think that they had sex and she just doesn't remember because of the high amounts of alcohol she drank that night. Not that he had sex with her in her sleep :psyduck:

Meanwhile, the "joke" he was setting up was pretty much rape no matter how you try to explain it (especially since the character being targeted is a lesbian).

Shit like that is how people get murdered.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 12 Jul 2011, 18:48
Something true to the characters is that her waking up next to Pintsize is just the sort of prank Pintsize would play.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 19:05
Something true to the characters is that her waking up next to Pintsize is just the sort of prank Pintsize would play.

He could even use the fleshlight/Dora's ass pic combo again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 12 Jul 2011, 19:27
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii (http://www.menagea3.net/cast.html), I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...

I only meant that in the context that Zii never fails to get her woman...or threesome...regardless of their sexual orientation. :roll:

Well, except for Didi
Didi is....a "special case". Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jul 2011, 20:29
Let's not give Tai the power of Zi
Assuming you mean Zii (http://www.menagea3.net/cast.html), I fail to see how it would compare. If Dora was a self-closeted bi, the comparison could somewhat work, but...

I only meant that in the context that Zii never fails to get her woman...or threesome...regardless of their sexual orientation. :roll:

Well, except for Didi
Didi is....a "special case". Let's just leave it at that.

Oui


I think Tai is there anyway - isn't that her to the left between Angus and Purple Dress Girl?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 12 Jul 2011, 20:48
I think Tai is there anyway - isn't that her to the left between Angus and Purple Dress Girl?

Not unless she grew a couple of inches and dyed her hair, and changed the colour of her skin.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Emperor Norton on 12 Jul 2011, 22:11
Considering "slut" is what everyone who isn't polyamorous thinks of people that self-describes as polyamorous, yes.

I'm polyamorous and married.

I've had a total of two relationships outside of my marriage in the TEN YEARS I've been married to my wife (both of which lasted for over a year, so not just random sex with a stranger). I somehow don't think that is slutty. Hell, I'm sure you've had sex with more people in the last ten years considering your expertly practiced breakup skills.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 00:09
Considering "slut" is what everyone who isn't polyamorous thinks of people that self-describes as polyamorous, yes.
Well, see, when I read this, I hope you're polyamorous yourself, because it means you're just making generalisations about what non-poly think of poly.
If you're not polyamorous, you're either implying this is what you think of poly, or you're pretentiously excluding yourself from the word "everyone".

What I mean is, be careful about how you word such statements, because all three of the literal interpretation of this sentence are offensive, and we can't read your mind to find out if you meant otherwise.

Another term I've seen used on poly blogs is "Ethical Slut", so yeah, they kind of are.
I'm surprised, because as I understand it, the Ethical Slut is just someone (most of the time celibate) who enjoys having no-strings-attached sex with various partners, while still taking care of not hurting their feelings, particularly by being upfront about it and not leading them on (and as a result, usually picking partners who are in the same state of mind).
I fail to see how it relates to polyamory, which is about romantic relationships involving more than two persons.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: VonKleist on 13 Jul 2011, 02:22
Drama.... *checks*

Moving on  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jul 2011, 02:23
Next on QC;

Tai will be groveling on her knees.

Hanners will (accidentally) start playing the '70's Disco' File
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Dust on 13 Jul 2011, 02:29
And the night was going so well, too... will Hanners dig back into her Nursery Rhyme stash?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: dj_soo on 13 Jul 2011, 02:32
as a full time DJ, these people who "nod their head and pretend to click things" are quite possibly the bane of the whole profession.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 13 Jul 2011, 02:34
How ironic that Tai was only saying that because she was depressed because she thought that Dora WASN'T at the party.

This is going to resolve itself HILARIOUSLY. :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 13 Jul 2011, 02:36
Hanners will (accidentally) start playing the '70's Disco' File

Nope, Hanners accidentally find's Tai Japanese Pop/Korean Pop folder.....
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 13 Jul 2011, 02:48
Discovers it's somehow like counting (plus, loud is FUN), masters that Ableton Live manual in the next five minutes, and turns this into the best Smif party EVAR.

Dora and Tai? Eh, what about 'em?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 03:05
Hanners will (accidentally) start playing the '70's Disco' File

Nope, Hanners accidentally find's Tai Japanese Pop/Korean Pop folder.....
Nope, she's going to start improvising mash-ups with both of those plus Heavy Metal and Cold Wave. And it will be awesome.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Hebes on 13 Jul 2011, 03:08
As for the Tai debate, from Jeph's Tumblr:

Quote
I’ve gotten some flack over Tai’s promiscuity and how it could be interpreted as being anti-feminist or anti-lesbian, and while I don’t agree with the most extreme things people have said about the subject, it is something I think I’ve mishandled a bit in the past, and I’m going to be more thoughtful about it in the future.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 03:11
I believe that refers to a discussion of that subject recently on the Something Awful forum.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 13 Jul 2011, 03:20
I think the kind of joke he was implying is to make her think that they had sex and she just doesn't remember because of the high amounts of alcohol she drank that night. Not that he had sex with her in her sleep.
Yeah, because that would be SO much better...  :-(

Something like this was practically guaranteed with Tai and Dora at the party. At least Tai wasn't drunk, or high, and doing anything really embarrassing. I mean "Fuck off, I'm busy!" is only mildly awkward in the circumstances. I've heard DJs say much worse things...

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 03:48
Considering "slut" is what everyone who isn't polyamorous thinks of people that self-describes as polyamorous, yes.

I'm polyamorous and married.

I've had a total of two relationships outside of my marriage in the TEN YEARS I've been married to my wife (both of which lasted for over a year, so not just random sex with a stranger). I somehow don't think that is slutty. Hell, I'm sure you've had sex with more people in the last ten years considering your expertly practiced breakup skills.

I don't care about your personal romantic history, didn't call you a slut (unless you're just as obnoxious about your lifestyle in public as Tai has been throughout the comic), and don't see why you and Schmorgluck decided to get all defensive and try to start an argument (remember where I said "keep in mind that we're talking about fictional characters" earlier in the thread?).

If you people can't keep from taking commentary on the characters personally and trying to start personal arguments with other posters based on a character comment, maybe you shouldn't be reading the forums.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 03:53
If you people can't keep from taking commentary on the characters personally and trying to start personal arguments with other posters based on a character comment, maybe you shouldn't be reading the forums.

Yeah, OK, I think you need to reread what you wrote, because it's not saying what you appear to think it's saying. Seriously, I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but you don't seem to realise how your posts are coming across from the perspective of the other end of teh intertubes. They do come across as insulting. You can take that bit of perspective or leave it, as you wish.

I'll just leave it there, and otherwise just remark that today's comic really was comedy gold.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 03:58
(I know I shouldn't, but...)

We react to what you post, can you understand that? What. You. Post.

Not whatever is in your head. JUST WHAT YOU POST. It just so happens that what you post is offensive, to various degrees, in all of its possible interpretations.

The fact that you are discussing about fictional characters seems to make you think like it doesn't count.

Discussing doesn't work like that. Never has, never will.

If you're unable to understand that general statements matter IN GENERAL, never mind if the conversation is about fiction, cooking, or elephants, then you should probably stop trying to post on any forum ever.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:07
If you people can't keep from taking commentary on the characters personally and trying to start personal arguments with other posters based on a character comment, maybe you shouldn't be reading the forums.

Yeah, OK, I think you need to reread what you wrote, because it's not saying what you appear to think it's saying. Seriously, I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but you don't seem to realise how your posts are coming across from the perspective of the other end of teh intertubes. They do come across as insulting. You can take that bit of perspective or leave it, as you wish.

Yeah, except I had this bit in one of my posts before I started getting into talking about the characters themselves.

EDIT: Keep in mind that we're talking about portrayals in fiction, too.

Quote
I'll just leave it there, and otherwise just remark that today's comic really was comedy gold.


I actually thought the comic would have been funnier if it had simply been this:

(http://i.imgur.com/5ZaQH.png)

(I know I shouldn't, but...)

We react to what you post, can you understand that? What. You. Post.

Not whatever is in your head. JUST WHAT YOU POST. It just so happens that what you post is offensive, to various degrees, in all of its possible interpretations.

Why, because I made a post describing how Jeph has deliberately portrayed Tai? Get mad at Jeph's portrayal, not my post describing it (Jeph has even admitted that his portrayal has been a negative one and that he's going to work to change it).

Quote
The fact that you are discussing about fictional characters seems to make you think like it doesn't count.

<moderator>Removed comment directly insulting Jeph; Jeph's remarks on Tumblr are not a sufficient excuse.</moderator> <Actual poster> Unless I actually posted "Jeph is a twat" or some variation here, doing this is dumb (because I didn't post anything remotely like that here). Good job editing my post to make it look like I did, though.</actual poster>
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 13 Jul 2011, 04:09
So when you said everyone thinks poly people are sluts, that was sarcasm?

EDIT: Ok, wait, I think I'm getting this... Though I think there is a difference between Tai, and all polyamorous people, and all lesbians. I never considered her as a representative of the whole community - I think that's discrimination on behalf of the reader, not the writer or the characters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 04:12
In spite of my better judgement once again...

We're not talking about anything you said about the characters. It was when you stopped talking about the characters and started making offensive generalisations (i.e. polyamorous people are sluts) that people got their backs up.

Do you understand that polyamorous people who are in dedicated relationships aren't going to take too kindly to that?

Probably not I'm guessing, but hey I tried.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:20
So when you said everyone thinks poly people are sluts, that was sarcasm?

Would it have been easier to follow if I'd quoted the four posts leading up to it instead of flat posting it without a quote?

In spite of my better judgement once again...

We're not talking about anything you said about the characters. It was when you stopped talking about the characters and started making offensive generalisations (i.e. polyamorous people are sluts) that people got their backs up.

So the generalization was only offensive because it included the word "everybody" in "everybody non poly tends to think poly people are sluts"? Because I didn't say "poly people are sluts" anywhere unless you're deliberately ignoring portions of what I said in order to get offended.

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Do you understand that polyamorous people who are in dedicated relationships aren't going to take too kindly to that?

Probably not I'm guessing, but hey I tried.

The problem is that you're trying too hard, as polyamorous people in dedicated relationships will already be upset over the very criticism Jeph said he was going to be working to improve on in the Tumblr post that has been linked to here.

If nobody wants to discuss it, fine, but don't act like it's something new or unreasonable when the man himself acknowledges it and says he's going to be working on changing the thing he's being criticized for in an interview.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Delator on 13 Jul 2011, 04:23
...will Hanners dig back into her Nursery Rhyme stash?

Nope...instead we're going to get more choice tracks from DJ Phalliz (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1171)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:28
What book is Hanners reading? It looks like the front cover says "Ablerow Live User Guide", but Google just comes up with roofing companies, so I don't know if that's supposed to be for the DJ equipment or not.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 04:30
Oh well, like I said, at least I tried. If you're not willing to take genuine advice on the way your posts come across, it's not my problem.  I'll just go and look up "synonymous" because I guess it doesn't mean what I thought it did. My bad. Carry on.

And I apologise to everyone else for disrupting discussion of the comic.

Speaking of which, I assume that it will now be impossible to move Hanners until she has that thing mastered.  8-)

Edit: I'm fairly sure it's a manual for the DJ equipment.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 04:34
Okay, now I know Tiogyr is a troll. He deliberately ignores what he's been answered if it doesn't fit his personal storytelling. He picks the posts he can twist to make himself look better, and ignores the others.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 04:35
What book is Hanners reading? It looks like the front cover says "Ablerow Live User Guide", but Google just comes up with roofing companies, so I don't know if that's supposed to be for the DJ equipment or not.

It's Ableton Live (http://www.ableton.com/live-8) - a widely used music program.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:39
Okay, now I know Tiogyr is a troll. He deliberately ignores what he's been answered if it doesn't fit his personal storytelling. He picks the posts he can twist to make himself look better, and ignores the others.

Posting a contrary opinion doesn't make me a troll. And I've been told to drop the argument by the mods, so stop making parting shots when I move on to other stuff (which is why I cut short on responding to everybody).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: mike837go on 13 Jul 2011, 04:42
Who else thinks the fourth panel (Tai's  fridge brilliance (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance)) was the REAL punchline?

And grabbing Hanners should start Thursday's comic?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:45
What book is Hanners reading? It looks like the front cover says "Ablerow Live User Guide", but Google just comes up with roofing companies, so I don't know if that's supposed to be for the DJ equipment or not.

It's Ableton Live (http://www.ableton.com/live-8) - a widely used music program.

Ah, local dj's I've seen either use Zulu or Pioneer's mixing software (when they aren't going really cheap and using their media player's Shuffle function, which is hilarious sometimes).

Who else thinks the fourth panel (Tai's fridge brilliance) was the REAL punchline?

And grabbing Hanners should start Thursday's comic?

I'd be willing to bet money that Hanners ends up being a really good DJ after she applies her crazy math logic to the song selection, though it may still be up in the air how that influences the party (depending on the mood of the music she picks and tries to go for).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 04:46
Right, let's drop it, this is going nowhere.

I'm wondering what Jeph will start changing in terms of characterisations. Introducing a polyamorous character, for example? That would be a novelty, we haven't seen any, yet. But I gather they can be hard to write.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:49
It would be another polyamorous character, because I think Tai already described herself as being poly of the strips.

EDIT: Yep, 1595 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1595), though she doesn't sound all that convinced that being poly is what she's happy with between that one and 1596.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: mike837go on 13 Jul 2011, 04:50
I'm wondering what Jeph will start changing in terms of characterisations. Introducing a polyamorous character, for example? That would be a novelty, we haven't seen any, yet. But I gather they can be hard to write.

Check the archives. Tai is currently in a polyamorous relationship, but wants to go monogamous.

[Give me a couple of minutes to find the strip]

Damn. Ninja'd

It is #1595
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 04:51
Who else thinks the fourth panel was the REAL punchline?

And grabbing Hanners should start Thursday's comic?

I did feel like we got two comics for the price of one today, but I admit that I love it when a comic delivers a punchline and then follows that up with another brilliant moment while you're still laughing at the first one.

The expression on Tai's face when she realised what she'd done was hilarious.
But I just found Hanners being unable to just pretend to know what she's doing was just as funny.

JUST NOD YOUR HEAD AND PRETEND TO CLICK THINGS

I'd be willing to bet money that Hanners ends up being a really good DJ after she applies her crazy math logic to the song selection, though it may still be up in the air how that influences the party (depending on the mood of the music she picks and tries to go for).

Agreed! That's what makes it so funny - for Hanners, if it's worth doing, it's worth exhausting herself in order to do it "perfectly" (whatever that might end up meaning). I have a mental picture of the party geting pretty hyperactive. And then confused.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:52
Re: the terminology debate earlier:

Marten is normally a good friend, but occasionally has the attitude that he's owed sexual favors for his friendship with females, especially earlier in the comic. This is a negative trait, but IMO, it's not currently a defining part of his character, just something that needs to be worked on. (It could be argued, however, that it was a defining part of his character earlier in the comic, and therefore he may well be working on it.) Now, he does things because they're good, not because they'll increase his chances of getting laid.

There, I think I've fairly accurately described the situation, without using the terms "nice guy" and "Nice Guy".

Re: today's comic:

Hmm. Hanners COULD be a good DJ, most likely. Also, if Dora is honest with Tai, it all depends on Tai's sobriety, I think, as for what happens. IIRC, Dora knows that Tai's interested in trying a monogamous relationship... but if Tai's drunk, it could get ugly. If she's sober, she'll probably get really depressed, and then get REALLY drunk? I dunno.

Also, DAMNIT, I've tried posting this three times now... let's see if #4 is the charm...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 04:54
I'm trying to figure out why Dora is even going up to Tai at this point, given what she said to Jim earlier.

EDITED for too many commas.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 04:57
I'm trying to figure out why Dora is even going up to Tai at this point, given what she said to Jim earlier.

I would say that it's because Tai is the one who invited her, so it would be a bit impolite not to say hi when you do turn up. Also because Dora probably wants them to continue their friendship.

P.S. That's enough posts for one evening. Good night, internet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tanksenior on 13 Jul 2011, 05:03
I'm trying to figure out why Dora is even going up to Tai at this point, given what she said to Jim earlier.

I would say that it's because Tai is the one who invited her, so it would be a bit impolite not to say hi when you do turn up. Also because Dora probably wants them to continue their friendship.

P.S. That's enough posts for one evening. Good night, internet.


And Marten advised her to say hi to Tai as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 05:08
Ah, I was still hung up on it being rude to show up at a party after telling the host you won't be there, but I guess since she's there she might as well.

Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora  when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 05:17
Re: the terminology debate earlier:

Marten is normally a good friend, but occasionally has the attitude that he's owed sexual favors for his friendship with females, especially earlier in the comic.
See, that's something that puzzles me: every now and then someone states something along this line, but I can't find any evidence of it in the archives. Am I overlooking something?

Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora  when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).
I guess Tai showing Dora her piercing counts as some kind of bonding. But yeah, their current relationship is kinda blurry.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Handmade.Mercury on 13 Jul 2011, 05:44
Hanners is definitely going to become amazing at using Ableton. Also, chances are that she's not playing existing songs at the party, but that Tai has created some of her own tracks and was mixing them together and stuff. Hanners is going to have a ball messing with all of the virtual instruments and tweaking all those waves :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 13 Jul 2011, 06:01
Ah, I was still hung up on it being rude to show up at a party after telling the host you won't be there, but I guess since she's there she might as well.

Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora  when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).

They're not close friends, but Dora knows her well enough to say hi to her at a party.  Especially since it's Tai's party, and because Marten said to.

I don't find Tai even remotely funny as comic relief.  Telling anyone to "fuck off" for wanting to talk to you is incredibly rude and immature.  Then to top it off, she drags Hanners away from her friends to make her uncomfortably DJ a party.  I really hope Tai catches the next bus out of town.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:04
Re: the terminology debate earlier:

Marten is normally a good friend, but occasionally has the attitude that he's owed sexual favors for his friendship with females, especially earlier in the comic.
See, that's something that puzzles me: every now and then someone states something along this line, but I can't find any evidence of it in the archives. Am I overlooking something?

Stuff like this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=68) is a bit... creepy. And it adds up over the course of the comic, culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.

Ah, I was still hung up on it being rude to show up at a party after telling the host you won't be there, but I guess since she's there she might as well.

Were Tai and Dora ever actually friends, though? I thought Tai was only around Dora  when she was also somewhere with Marten (outside just showing up to help Dora move, which was played as extremely awkward).

They're not close friends, but Dora knows her well enough to say hi to her at a party.  Especially since it's Tai's party, and because Marten said to.

I was mostly talking about the "maintaining their friendship" line (in a "they're friends?" way), but yeah, I get it now.

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I don't find Tai even remotely funny as comic relief.  Telling anyone to "fuck off" for wanting to talk to you is incredibly rude and immature.  Then to top it off, she drags Hanners away from her friends to make her uncomfortably DJ a party.  I really hope Tai catches the next bus out of town.

Shoot, Hanners as a DJ will probably work out being even more fun for her once she figures it out, but I agree on Tai not being even remotely funny in any situation so far.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 13 Jul 2011, 06:10
I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.

Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke.  It's just awful.

Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.

Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with" bit as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.
I'll blame the Jessica Alba scene in "Machete" since that's the last place I saw the bit used.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 06:20
I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.

Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke.  It's just awful.

Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.

Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with bit" as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.

I think it hinges entirely on whether the other person was also blackout drunk or not. If the other person is completely sober with no hangover whatsoever, then yes, the reaction should be the same because the person waking up from the blackout couldn't actually give consent.

EDIT: I haven't seen Machete, yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 13 Jul 2011, 06:26
I'm actually a little worried about Dora's eventual encounter with Tai. I have a feeling Tai's busy getting wasted to forget her depression over Dora, and if she actually sees Dora while very drunk....well, it could be bad. And it could be worse if, after Tai says/does something embarrassing or hurtful, Dora thinks Marten set her up to get hurt.

I think a drunk Tai waking up in bed next to sober Marten as a practical joke would hilarious. Of course nothing happened, and someone else would have to be present in the room to reaffirm that it was all just a joke, but I can't think of how to successfully pull that off.

Except that's not funny, it's awful? Because having sex with a girl who is pass-out drunk is rape, and setting up a scene to make someone think they have been assaulted is not a joke.  It's just awful.

Sorry to be "that lady" but it's true.

Hmmm. i didn't see "the wake up in bed-who did I sleep with bit" as "wake up in bed- who was I raped by"...but I can see your prospective.
Therefore if she woke up in bed next to another woman, then the same "who was I raped by" response should be expected. Correct?
Which means, this bit should never be used again in any media.
Apologies...I didn't think that one through.


....i don't think people would have commented as such if you left out the "everyone in the strip knows it's a joke" thing. It is possible for two people (of same OR different sex) to wake up in the same bed together and invoke humor in the viewer of said moment. If others in the cast are aware that it is a practical joke, I can see where people would consider that a cruel joke. BUT, I like the idea that it would be Jeph playing the joke on us.  :-P At first I took it as "Tai is really drunk and needs somewhere to stay, Marten allows her to sleep in his bed, we only see Tai in Marten's bed in last panel of comic on a Friday"....now keep in mind that although this may or may not fit the characters' typical actions, there are real people that do this without getting raped/having sex. If you've known someone for years and years and aren't affected by "omg what will people think", then it's safe to say that both parties would be comfortable sleeping in the same bed for one evening.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 13 Jul 2011, 06:33
Again...I didn't think through the negative interpretations of the "bit". You're right. Both parties being asleep is a key factor. Both parties still clothed adds to it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 07:05
Stuff like this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=68) is a bit... creepy.
How so?

And it adds up over the course of the comic,
When, where?

culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 07:09
I've had a few WTF moments reading the last couple of pages of discussion, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the ender of messes is wearing the (possibly sweaty and gross) headphones that were just on the head of someone else. I know she's loosened up quite a bit since becoming part of the gang, but I didn't think she was quite that far yet.

I agree that this feels like 2 comics in 1, though I doubt it would have worked as two separate comics. I think the punchline may have been funnier if it were the 4th panel, but that the segue to Hannelore the DJ wouldn't have been quite as natural in the first panel of tomorrow's comic.

Also, just because I can't help it, does anyone remember during Marten's first meeting with Hannelore (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=520) the description he gave of himself? (HINT: last panel of the comic I linked) I'm pretty sure that has rung true throughout the comic, with of course the one exception we all know about. I think Marten does a lot for girls, and perhaps he hopes it improves his chances of getting close to them, but I don't think there's any evidence that he does them solely to get laid, or that he expects anything in return, whether he hopes for it or not. This is probably just me projecting onto the character, at least to some degree, because there isn't a lot a cute girl can't get me to do, despite knowing there's no chance I would sleep with her, even if given the opportunity (it has come up before, and I have refused. That was its own story though). Some of us are just suckers, and we're ok with that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jul 2011, 07:16
Gonna be stepping away from the drama in this thread for a moment.


I totally support DJ Hanners and her efforts. Something tells me she'll probably be joined by DJ Mar-Bear to help with the technical side of things.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 13 Jul 2011, 07:16

culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.

Not only that, but that was Marten's absolute low point in the series, I am pretty sure. Depression and bourbon abound. That's probably the reason Faye did what she did and did not tell him what he had said or done. His girlfriend dumped him, a girl who he originally liked was dating a guy who, in a lot of ways is absolutely nothing like him.

Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 07:19
I hope Dora was going over to Tai for chivalrous reasons, even though I would prefer her not to get back with Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 07:27
Stuff like this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=68) is a bit... creepy.
How so?

You don't see a guy committing fraud to buy a gift for a girl he has a crush on as creepy?

As for other stuff, things like what this poster is talking about:

Also, just because I can't help it, does anyone remember during Marten's first meeting with Hannelore (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=520) the description he gave of himself? (HINT: last panel of the comic I linked)

Being all super bitter because a girl he likes doesn't reciprocate, in this instance.


culminating in the much-argued-over drunken Marten asshole incident.
Okay, what Marten said on that occurrence is clearly out of line. There's no need to look for a subtext in what he said, though. It was dickish by itself. And nothing he said amounts to expressing entitlement to "sexual favors for his friendship with females". Over the course of the comic, there's several hundreds of examples of Marten lacking a sense of entitlement to anything. Everything that resembled a sexual advance (from Dora or Faye) made him utterly confused, and then he immediately assumed the girl was kidding. Seriously, that was a running gag back then.

Not only that, but that was Marten's absolute low point in the series, I am pretty sure. Depression and bourbon abound. That's probably the reason Faye did what she did and did not tell him what he had said or done. His girlfriend dumped him, a girl who he originally liked was dating a guy who, in a lot of ways is absolutely nothing like him.

I get that, but none of that really invalidates the view a lot of people have reading this comic that Marten is, deep down, a really bitter person when it comes to these relationships.

I mean, just in your next line, for example:

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Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".

Is one of these really any better or worse than the other?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 07:39
Tiogyr, I really do appreciate your contribution to these forums, but dammit we both look at the same thing and see two completely different interpretations, and you have a special way of subtly masking intention of the poster and turning their point completely around to someone else. This is at least the second time you've done it to me. It's a gift really, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating when I'm the victim :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 07:40
Tiogyr, I really do appreciate your contribution to these forums, but dammit we both look at the same thing and see two completely different interpretations, and you have a special way of subtly masking intention of the poster and turning their point completely around to someone else. This is at least the second time you've done it to me. It's a gift really, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating when I'm the victim :-P

Ahhh the power of perspective.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Mr. Doctor on 13 Jul 2011, 07:45
I don't want a Dora/Tai couple, ever.

The weird thing is that if you guys ask me "why do you say that?" I wouldn't have anything to say. I don't even know why. It's just that my brain goes all "Dora and Tai...No...No...No. Does not work"
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 13 Jul 2011, 07:46

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Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".

Is one of these really any better or worse than the other?

Depending on your perspective, yes. Passive =/= Not an asshole.

You can be passionate, driven for example, without being a jerk.

Sure Marten is bitter, and a lot of people are bitter, but it's kind of like... Is he bitter for the right reasons? No that's not right...

Hmm. Maybe that is it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 13 Jul 2011, 07:51
Okay, remember that "shouldn't be dating anyone" thing?  Is there a reason it'll be different with Tai that doesn't contain some permutation of "it'lll be hot"?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 07:55
Okay, remember that "shouldn't be dating anyone" thing?  Is there a reason it'll be different with Tai that doesn't contain some permutation of "it'lll be hot"?

No, but she may be going over to talk to Tai in a chivalrous manner or such.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 07:56
Tiogyr, I really do appreciate your contribution to these forums, but dammit we both look at the same thing and see two completely different interpretations, and you have a special way of subtly masking intention of the poster and turning their point completely around to someone else. This is at least the second time you've done it to me. It's a gift really, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating when I'm the victim :-P

That really wasn't an intentional twisting of your post, I just didn't want to use the same comic link you did and then have someone be all "Hey, wrwight just linked that same comic!". It was more of an attributing proper credit because you dug it up first.

I don't want a Dora/Tai couple, ever.

The weird thing is that if you guys ask me "why do you say that?" I wouldn't have anything to say. I don't even know why. It's just that my brain goes all "Dora and Tai...No...No...No. Does not work"

I'd say it's because Dora doesn't actually have enough respect for Tai in the way that is needed for an equal relationship. Tai has this unreasonable crush on her idealistic perception of Dora, etc.


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Raging drunk that translates to, "Women don't like me and treat me like crap because I'm not an asshole", instead of logically, "My girlfriend and I have issues to work out, Faye and I would have been terrible because I'm too passive".

Is one of these really any better or worse than the other?

Depending on your perspective, yes. Passive =/= Not an asshole.

You can be passionate, driven for example, without being a jerk.

Sure Marten is bitter, and a lot of people are bitter, but it's kind of like... Is he bitter for the right reasons? No that's not right...

Hmm. Maybe that is it.

That's kind of the thing, he had no real reason to be bitter in those early comics and yet, he was (griping about it every time somebody brought it up, check the facial expression in the comic wrwight linked). Marten's angry drunk rambling expresses it as anger over not being enough of an asshole to attract women (which comes pretty close to the term we're not allowed to use here), while you offer a substitute that really isn't any better because the end result still puts Marten in the same situation (because he was still being a jerk).

It would be nice to have a few comics where Marten isn't so damn passive in his interest in a woman while still being a genuinely decent guy, but it hasn't happened yet.

Okay, remember that "shouldn't be dating anyone" thing?  Is there a reason it'll be different with Tai that doesn't contain some permutation of "it'lll be hot"?

I'm not so sure Dora is going to be going after anything with Tai at this point (and we're just seeing typical puppy dog Tai doing a rush after Dora due to her irrational crush).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 08:01

That's kind of the thing, he had no real reason to be bitter in those early comics. Marten's angry drunk rambling expresses it as anger over not being enough of an asshole to attract women (which comes pretty close to the term we're not allowed to use here), while you offer a substitute that really isn't any better because the end result still puts Marten in the same situation (because he was still being a jerk).

It would be nice to have a few comics where Marten isn't so damn passive in his interest in a woman while still being a genuinely decent guy, but it hasn't happened yet.


A Marten that isn't passive in his interest for women yet still genuinely a decent guy. Reminds me of Angus to be honest...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 13 Jul 2011, 08:08

That's kind of the thing, he had no real reason to be bitter in those early comics. Marten's angry drunk rambling expresses it as anger over not being enough of an asshole to attract women (which comes pretty close to the term we're not allowed to use here), while you offer a substitute that really isn't any better because the end result still puts Marten in the same situation (because he was still being a jerk).

It would be nice to have a few comics where Marten isn't so damn passive in his interest in a woman while still being a genuinely decent guy, but it hasn't happened yet.


A Marten that isn't passive in his interest for women yet still genuinely a decent guy. Reminds me of Angus to be honest...

That and he'd need more witty banter in his arsenal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 08:09

That's kind of the thing, he had no real reason to be bitter in those early comics. Marten's angry drunk rambling expresses it as anger over not being enough of an asshole to attract women (which comes pretty close to the term we're not allowed to use here), while you offer a substitute that really isn't any better because the end result still puts Marten in the same situation (because he was still being a jerk).

It would be nice to have a few comics where Marten isn't so damn passive in his interest in a woman while still being a genuinely decent guy, but it hasn't happened yet.


A Marten that isn't passive in his interest for women yet still genuinely a decent guy. Reminds me of Angus to be honest...

That and he'd need more witty banter in his arsenal.

What he lacks in witty banter he makes up in musical facts ^_^ haha.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 13 Jul 2011, 08:12
I wonder if he'll ever run into a girl who loves music as much as he does. Hm.


That's kind of the thing, he had no real reason to be bitter in those early comics and yet, he was (griping about it every time somebody brought it up, check the facial expression in the comic wrwight linked). Marten's angry drunk rambling expresses it as anger over not being enough of an asshole to attract women (which comes pretty close to the term we're not allowed to use here), while you offer a substitute that really isn't any better because the end result still puts Marten in the same situation (because he was still being a jerk).

It would be nice to have a few comics where Marten isn't so damn passive in his interest in a woman while still being a genuinely decent guy, but it hasn't happened yet.


But how does being passionate or less passive about something equal being a jerk?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 08:15
Well he had the music theme going for awhile with Faye but we all know how that ended.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 08:17
But how does being passionate or less passive about something equal being a jerk?

I was talking about his line of complaining in the drunk asshole comic.

As in, if he'd said "I'm just not aggressive enough, so how about I be aggressive now and--" when he got knocked out, he'd have still been a jerk.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: VonKleist on 13 Jul 2011, 08:25
I feel like a fool waiting for people to realise that the everyone has flaws. yes, even fictional characters..

If you´re all that judgemental IRL as y´are about Marten I guess it would really suck to be friends with you  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 08:27
I feel like a fool waiting for people to realise that the everyone has flaws. yes, even fictional characters..

If you´re all that judgemental IRL as y´are about Marten I guess it would really suck to be friends with you  :roll:

If all of my friends acted in real life like QC characters act in the comics, I'd basically be in Hipster Hell (or a movie by whoever wrote Juno, because nobody talks like that in real life).

EDIT: But in the context of QC itself, speech mannerisms aside, if I was friends with someone like Marten for too long I'd basically start treating them the way Steve has been treating them because over the years I'd lose all respect for them (like I think Steve probably has).

It's not about expecting fictional characters to be perfect, either, though I'm not quite sure how to explain this point.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 08:28
Yeah, I meant no offense, and took none. I was just pointing it out. Like I said, it's kind of a gift, 'cause it's like "Wait, what did I say?" A great confidence breaker in a debate I would imagine. I think it's just that you don't acknowledge the opposing interpretation, like if you had linked it first I would have posted something like "I see that comic a completely different way, [my interpretation]" or "[quoted comic] could also be used to argue the opposite, [my interpretation]," whereas you just take it and run with it as if I was in full agreement with your point of view from the start.

You have a very particular way with words is I guess all I'm saying. I'll admit I didn't like you so much when I first started lurking, but the more I read your posts, the more I understand your style of writing, and the easier it is to see the points you're trying to make over the way that you're making them.

Anyway, that was all beside the point. Just something I've noticed.

Also beside the point: Any time I link to that first meeting with Hannelore, I miss that character. Don't get me wrong, the Hanners that's in the comic is great, but the two are hardly the same person. They look and behave so differently, and I think I liked the slightly more "grown up" girl with OCD issues would have made a much better cast member. It isn't my comic though (and you should all be thankful for this fact)

More to the point: I might be in agreement with Sir Dudley at this point, and bow out for the night. I'm sure I'll be back, and unable to refrain from throwing two cents more into the pot, and stirring vigorously, but until then, (with swooping Senor Chang hand movements) Hasta Luego!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 08:37
Yeah, I meant no offense, and took none. I was just pointing it out. Like I said, it's kind of a gift, 'cause it's like "Wait, what did I say?" A great confidence breaker in a debate I would imagine. I think it's just that you don't acknowledge the opposing interpretation, like if you had linked it first I would have posted something like "I see that comic a completely different way, [my interpretation]" or "[quoted comic] could also be used to argue the opposite, [my interpretation]," whereas you just take it and run with it as if I was in full agreement with your point of view from the start.

I think it depends on everyone's background on the internet before they started posting here. On the forums I posted on back when I was getting started on the internet, being that explicit about every detail was going to get you mocked and/or banned for being a smartass (because it was expected that everyone who reads a thread keep track of what everyone is posting and not have to be reminded of the point someone made in another post if only a section of it is quoted for the purposes of making a different point, and I figured since it was even easier to do that here since quoted posts include a link that takes you to the original post at the top of the quote, that wasn't necessary).

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Also beside the point: Any time I link to that first meeting with Hannelore, I miss that character. Don't get me wrong, the Hanners that's in the comic is great, but the two are hardly the same person. They look and behave so differently, and I think I liked the slightly more "grown up" girl with OCD issues would have made a much better cast member. It isn't my comic though (and you should all be thankful for this fact)

I feel the same way, but the last time I brought that up it was almost as bad as the derail on the last page for some reason (something about that "version" of Hanners being drugged out all the time, or something, so it was a negative version because of that).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gangler on 13 Jul 2011, 11:00
What book is Hanners reading? It looks like the front cover says "Ablerow Live User Guide", but Google just comes up with roofing companies, so I don't know if that's supposed to be for the DJ equipment or not.

It's Ableton Live (http://www.ableton.com/live-8) - a widely used music program.

Ah, local dj's I've seen either use Zulu or Pioneer's mixing software (when they aren't going really cheap and using their media player's Shuffle function, which is hilarious sometimes).
I once knew someone who fancied himself a bit of a DJ. He just kind of brought four or five crates of CD's with him and as near as I could tell manually loaded up the songs throughout the event. He thought it was awesome when he got that first Ipod because he didn't have to carry so much stuff and he'd just hook it up to the sound system and throw it on shuffle. He doesn't really DJ anymore. There comes a point when "I'm the guy with the Ipod" no longer makes you special.

Anyway yeah, great to get that cleared up. I was wondering about the book and it hadn't occurred to me that there would be DJ specific software.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 11:41
It's moot, since Tai seems to be staying sober (or at the very least, sober compared to standard Tai at parties...or work, for that matter), so she can focus on her DJ duties.

By the way, the person suggesting the Marten in Tai's bed joke, I'm assuming Marten would be wearing clothes, yes?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 11:50
Out of interest, how do you (and everyone else) regard the gender-flipped version of said "joke", as in here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1522)? Admittedly, it's not done as a practical joke here - maybe it'd be fairer to compare it with Marten telling Tai she "certainly did a number on his manly bits last night". (Strip 186 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=186) reference, where Marten kind of plays this joke by mistake...).

#1522 & #186 were both terrible jokes, yes.

1522 should have had a huge uproar in the forums over it, as well, but I can't confirm this with the forum search function (it either sits forever and doesn't return a result page, or the results consist of your post, maybe that thread got pruned?).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:00
Oh my goodness, no one survived the "huge uproar" that was 1522.

:eyeroll emote goes here:

If it didn't, I'd be surprised, given how huge a deal Dora going on a date after breaking up with Marten was (and how much worse what Faye "joked" about there actually was in comparison).

Would this (http://i.imgur.com/86EZS.gif) be the eyeroll emote you're looking for?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:05
Right, because if this forum needs anything, it's more uproars.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:07
Right, because if this forum needs anything, it's more uproars.

Let's see if I'm understanding you: Andy147 is trying to suggest people on these forums are being hypocrites and you're saying he's right?

For reference, look at the post he originally made here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26988.msg1048552.html#msg1048552).

I didn't miss the sarcasm, either, because it still doesn't change the point I made earlier (that as upset as people got over Dora dating again so soon, you'd think the same people would be even more upset by that horrible joke).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:09
I didn't think the sarcasm could be missed.  What I meant was that instead of uproaring, we should calmly state our objections if we have any.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:13
I didn't think the sarcasm could be missed.  What I meant was that instead of uproaring, we should calmly state our objections if we have any.

Right, either way objections to it (or really, any discussion at all) should have been in the WCDT for that comic.

What was the comic range for the week that one fell on, anyway? That might make it easier to find and see if anything was actually said about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 12:18
A couple of years ago, when the separate forums for the weekly threads and the general QC discussion were merged into a single forum (this one), the older weekly threads were ditched.

EDIT: In fact, everything before Feb 2008 was ditched and all the WCT (as it was then called) before Feb 2009 - that's around comic 1350, though the titles didn't include that until recently.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Vista on 13 Jul 2011, 12:20
I think Dora and Tai would be a fine couple, for a few weeks.  Like my brother, Tai appears to be idealistic about potential partners and then flighty upon realizing they aren't ideal.
I hope that somehow they do get together (Tai apologize, Dora forgive, Tai move too fast, Dora think it over later).  Not because I think it is a good idea, but because I read the comic for the drama.
If Dora was looking for a casual thing--or not looking and still finding--I'm not sure it would be disastrous for Dora, especially if Tai evinced no particularly broken feelings after.  But I would personally consider it pretty darn callous of the both of them, which would be fun to watch.  Marten looks like he's starting to toughen up, might help speed along the process.

Hannelore does seem fairly "normal" lately, doesn't she.  It's only been about a year since she met the group, yes?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:23
A couple of years ago, when the separate forums for the weekly threads and the general QC discussion were merged into a single forum (this one), the older weekly threads were ditched.

EDIT: In fact, everything before Feb 2008 was ditched.
Well that's a shame.  How about a new section for individual comic discussion?  People can create a thread for a comic and discuss that one there, and hopefully they'll use the search function before making a new thread.  Then again, I doubt very much I'm the first one to bring this up, but I figure suggesting it can't hurt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:26
A couple of years ago, when the separate forums for the weekly threads and the general QC discussion were merged into a single forum (this one), the older weekly threads were ditched.

EDIT: In fact, everything before Feb 2008 was ditched.

(http://i.imgur.com/aIEzS.gif)

A couple of years ago, when the separate forums for the weekly threads and the general QC discussion were merged into a single forum (this one), the older weekly threads were ditched.

EDIT: In fact, everything before Feb 2008 was ditched.
Well that's a shame.  How about a new section for individual comic discussion?  People can create a thread for a comic and discuss that one there, and hopefully they'll use the search function before making a new thread.  Then again, I doubt very much I'm the first one to bring this up, but I figure suggesting it can't hurt.

Because they'd play out basically like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/hwVud.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/NufAy.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:29
I hope the mods don't take this as a personal insult, but you're not being very helpful, Tiogyr.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 12:30
If you look back, there are some threads for individual comics, as well as the WCT (that's how I specified where the surviving WCTs start in my last edit above).  But so many strips run in groups, even if not large enough to be called arcs, that the present arrangement seems quite sensible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:34
I didn't mean replacing the WCDT, but those really work best for current strips.  This would only be for pre-merge strips.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:35
If you look back, there are some threads for individual comics, as well as the WCT (that's how I specified where the surviving WCTs start in my last edit above).  But so many strips run in groups, even if not large enough to be called arcs, that the present arrangement seems quite sensible.

I didn't mean replacing the WCDT, but those really work best for current strips.  This would only be for pre-merge strips.

Along those lines, wouldn't a separate thread about an individual comic (after the original WCDT it was featured in is over, for more recent ones) be kosher, if enough people wanted to talk about it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 12:37
I have no objection to threads on individual comics - they can float or sink like any other, after all.  I suggest a title of "Comic nnnn", which is one of the forms that has been used previously.  Maybe one could add a descriptive title in some cases, e.g.: "Comic 2000, Marten walks on water"
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 12:39
I was under the impression that these threads, while they exist, were discouraged.  But I'm glad to hear otherwise, especially if I notice something about an old comic and do not wish to necro the old WCDT, assuming it's still here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:40
I have no objection to threads on individual comics - they can float or sink like any other, after all.  I suggest a title of "Comic nnnn", which is one of the forms that has been used previously.

Comic #1522 "Was this actually funny, or in bad taste?", with a link and introduction paragraph by whoever the OP is giving their point of view, for example? Or would it be more like "Comic #1522" full stop and any and all takes/discussion going on within that thread?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 12:52
It just came to my mind one undeniably wrong aspect of Marten's behaviour during the first 500 strips: he didn't punch Faye as often as she deserved to be.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 12:54
Comic #1522 "Was this actually funny, or in bad taste?", with a link and introduction paragraph by whoever the OP is giving their point of view, for example? Or would it be more like "Comic #1522" full stop and any and all takes/discussion going on within that thread?

If a thread is useful, it will write itself (as it were).  I'm not going to provide a template.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 13 Jul 2011, 12:58
It just came to my mind one undeniably wrong aspect of Marten's behaviour during the first 500 strips: he didn't punch Faye as often as she deserved to be.

Oh come on, now, if Marten had punched back he'd be dead!  :mrgreen:

Comic #1522 "Was this actually funny, or in bad taste?", with a link and introduction paragraph by whoever the OP is giving their point of view, for example? Or would it be more like "Comic #1522" full stop and any and all takes/discussion going on within that thread?

If a thread is useful, it will write itself (as it were).  I'm not going to provide a template.

I wasn't asking you to write it or provide a template so much as asking if people should keep all discussion of a certain comic within that thread or if two completely different conversations could go on in different threads that start by referencing the same comic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 13 Jul 2011, 13:29
It just came to my mind one undeniably wrong aspect of Marten's behaviour during the first 500 strips: he didn't punch Faye as often as she deserved to be.

Oh come on, now, if Marten had punched back he'd be dead!  :mrgreen:

Not dead, in hospital! And the comic wouldn't have gained a readership like this one. Beating a woman, even if she deserves it (that sounds meaner than it should. my list of grounds if someone deserves a beating is short,gender-neutral... and Babylonian), is a no-go.

Thinking of that, how does the failed attempt to stop Vespa Venger with a STOP sign to the forehad work out? Is it ok, as long they don't hit her?

concerning strip #1522, you remeber it was a return for slaping her ass in that bar (#1521)?
... "Dad Two: Dad Harder" is a fine addition to that family, fits right into it.

Speaking of Fayes ass. It must be a very interesting sight, if so many pinch, slap and grap it in the comic (still don't know how many months have passed since #1).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 13 Jul 2011, 13:43
It just came to my mind one undeniably wrong aspect of Marten's behaviour during the first 500 strips: he didn't punch Faye as often as she deserved to be.

Oh come on, now, if Marten had punched back he'd be dead!  :mrgreen:

Not dead, in hospital! And the comic wouldn't have gained a readership like this one. Beating a woman, even if she deserves it (that sounds meaner than it should. my list of grounds if someone deserves a beating is short,gender-neutral... and Babylonian), is a no-go.

Thinking of that, how does the failed attempt to stop Vespa Venger with a STOP sign to the forehad work out? Is it ok, as long they don't hit her?

concerning strip #1522, you remeber it was a return for slaping her ass in that bar (#1521)?
... "Dad Two: Dad Harder" is a fine addition to that family, fits right into it.

Speaking of Fayes ass. It must be a very interesting sight, if so many pinch, slap and grap it in the comic (still don't know how many months have passed since #1).

Marten wouldn't beat a women, he is too nice for that. The only time he really got angry in front of Faye was when Dora thought that the two of them were doing something devious when they were both in their underpants on the couch in 1743. Plus, even if she did need a bit of an attitude adjustment at some times, after strip 500 everyone realized why she was so harsh all of the time.

Well Jeph said the about page "I don't keep an exact count (because it doesn't matter) but I estimate that as of strip #1400 it will have been greater than six months and less than two years. The pace is really slow. Sorry!" That still leaves about 568 strips left, and Marten mentioned the breakup happened weeks ago a few times, so estimate a 3 year span max.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jul 2011, 13:48
Okay, remember that "shouldn't be dating anyone" thing?  Is there a reason it'll be different with Tai that doesn't contain some permutation of "it'lll be hot"?
Oh, she definitely shouldn't. If she realizes that, it will avoid much drama and awkward humor, and emotional harm to the imaginary people.

That doesn't mean it won't happen.

EDIT: Dora was 26 when the comic started, she's a year younger than Sven, who told the Pugnacious Peach recently that he's 28. Dora's probably not exactly 12 months younger than Sven, and we don't know how far either of them was into their current age, so there's a lot of wiggle room.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jul 2011, 14:00
In other news, are we doing only one poll this week? Or is the next one coming on Friday?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 13 Jul 2011, 14:01
todays comic. I sense a very sad Tai next week.

Dora seems to be much more in balance, right now. The ball dropped. And I don't see her ripping that ball apart just hours later with someone who's even more immature than Marten (yes I said it). Don't get me wrong, Tai is a good provider for jokes (like Raven) and the comic would miss something if she wouldn't have an apperance now and then.

But, if Dora would be really searching for someone who is more mature and motivated (that just sounds like the first part of a good provider in my ears, yuck). Tai would be more active in pursuing Dora (Marten had his moments, but they were far apart).

Has Dora already talked with Marten of her issue with his passivness? She complained to a date about it, but I don't remember her in the comic discussing that topic seriously with him (manatee on codein isn't serious).

@Faye Whitaker
That outburst was an interesting sight, though. We saw the point where a manatee on codein goes into berserk (under water, with no natural arnament what so ever.... poor defenceless manatee :cry:)
I calculated about 2-4 weeks since the breakup now, taking in account the strip where that art director wanted an second coffeesaurus (delivery time 6 weeks). 250 strips~ 4 weeks. I thought about a 8 months to a year. But still thats only a  guestimate (is this really a word in English?)

@Is it cold in here,
I just remember her saying that Jim was pretty good with guessing her age link (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1928)(25 or 26). If she's still 26, my one year guess would make sense,  :?.

It's not like there is an official cast page... which would be a pretty good idea
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 14:29
guestimate (is this really a word in English?)

It's in the Oxford Dictionary of English, The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (that's the one below the huge one), and Chambers Dictionary (all in their iPhone editions) - but with a preferred spelling of guesstimate, though guestimate is also listed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 13 Jul 2011, 14:32
It's not like there is an official cast page... which would be a pretty good idea
There used to be one actually! It had just been put up when I started reading the comic about 3 years ago I think... And then it became horribly outdated. Amir was in it, right near the top and there was no Marigold or Angus or Tai. Weird, how much has changed...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 14:39
todays comic. I sense a very sad Tai next week.
Not necessarily next week. Dora will have to be extra-tactful on that one.

EDIT: Holy Chao! it just came to my mind that Dora may be not fully aware of Tai's infatuation to her. She got glimpses, but does she fully understand how important she is to Tai? She might end up having to improvise being extra tactful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 13 Jul 2011, 15:07
todays comic. I sense a very sad Tai next week.
Not necessarily next week. Dora will have to be extra-tactful on that one.

EDIT: Holy Chao! it just came to my mind that Dora may be not fully aware of Tai's infatuation to her. She got glimpses, but does she fully understand how important she is to Tai? She might end up having to improvise being extra tactful.
Tai already said it, while Dora and Marten were together. But it still bothers me. It's kind of cold-blooded?

@NotAwesomeAnymore Thanks for the info. I just thought it might be more of a slang term-
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Jul 2011, 15:21
I don't have a cite for you, but I seem to remember Jeph saying that he was considering not updating the cast page and instead pointing people to Wikipedia.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 15:29
Thanks for the info. I just thought it might be more of a slang term-

It was me, actually.  The word is marked not as slang but as "informal" in the dictionaries.  They trace its origins back to the 1930s in the US.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 15:34
I didn't realize there was a difference between "slang" and "informal".
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 15:47
Not much, perhaps; but at least one of those dictionaries uses "slang" for more vulgar words.  I meant to indicate that it was a word I would be prepared to use in, say, a somewhat informal business setting, as opposed to one that would be considered inappropriate in most business settings.  Perhaps I'd better stop before I put my foot any further in my mouth.

EDIT: I've checked my big 1500-page Cassell's Dictionary of Slang, which does not  include gues(s)timate, showing it's not that  slangy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 16:03
People would actually use that in a business meeting?  I'd think there would be at least some amount of cringing from those involved.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Jul 2011, 16:11
I think in most business contexts they'd have less problem with the word than with the suggestion that the budgetary planning had not been more proactively finalised  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 16:20
Yeah, I personally dislike the term. I suppose it makes sense as in "I guess the area is 5x5 squares, and I charge about $10/square, so without pulling out my measuring instrument, it should ballpark around $250." In that instance If the thought process is along those lines I suppose it applies, but it seems like the term "educated guess" would work just as well there, if not better, and it wouldn't make me cringe. I think it's just the mashing of the words together. I tend to dislike it when people do that, even though English is littered with them already. I don't know, it seems very, not sure what word to use that wouldn't sound condescending, ha. (I guess that's a bit self-revelatory, isn't it?)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 13 Jul 2011, 16:21
I don't know if "slang" is to English exactly what "argot" is to French, but "argot" is born from the thieving crowd basically encrypting their way of speaking to each other.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 13 Jul 2011, 16:21
Thanks for the info. I just thought it might be more of a slang term-

It was me, actually.  The word is marked not as slang but as "informal" in the dictionaries.  They trace its origins back to the 1930s in the US.
sorry. Must have been the business studies crowd^^
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jul 2011, 16:22
I think in most business contexts they'd have less problem with the word than with the suggestion that the budgetary planning had not been more proactively finalised  :wink:
Or that they're not using enough synergy :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 13 Jul 2011, 16:24
ooh, buzzwords!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kwark on 13 Jul 2011, 16:26
Lost in semantics
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Jul 2011, 16:37
Which of these is more likely?

More of Dora & Marten's discussion    - 20 (25.3%)
The rest of the party & the other four's reactions    - 27 (34.2%)
Scene change to the next morning    - 8 (10.1%)
Guest Strip Week!    - 2 (2.5%)
Waffles.    - 6 (7.6%)
Nothing. Jeph takes a week off just tick us all off.    - 1 (1.3%)
All of the above.    - 15 (19%)

Total Voters: 79

And another poll is up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 16:43
And another poll is up.

I still see the old one...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Jul 2011, 16:47
And another poll is up.
I still see the old one...

I was still finishing the options :P
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 13 Jul 2011, 16:51
I was still finishing the options :P

I'm just terribly impatient, sorry.  :-D

Edit: that was a more difficult choice than usual.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 13 Jul 2011, 17:38
And there was I thinking that the "DJ OCDelightful" option would sweep it by landslide.  :roll:


I don't think anyone's going to crash and burn, or be let down. Simply because Dora has no idea how into her Tai is (unless Marten or Faye told her offscreen), and Tai trying to hit on Dora maybe half an hour after the latter had just come back from a date would NOT be cool. At all.

Best thing for Tai to do would be to apologize for being rude and explain that she was in fact sad because she didn't think Dora was going to show.
Or something. I don't write the comic. But if I did it wouldn't be nearly as good. :P

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 13 Jul 2011, 18:25
I don't think Tai realized it was Dora she said "Fuck off" too. Otherwise she wouldn't have turned and burned to chase her down.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pendrake on 13 Jul 2011, 20:35
For comic #1768...

1. I like Dora's expression in panel #2, makes me wonder what she might have said had DJ Tai Fighter has not been immersed in her job.  I would be fairly certain that Dora did not truly take offense at Tai's job-distracted brush-off, either.

2. You can almost hear the "screeching record-stop noise" going off inside Tai's mind when her brain caught up by panel #4.

3. Love how despite protests, Hanners is still putting on the headphones and cramming on the Ableton Live user guide/manual.  One of the endearing things I enjoy about Hannelore is that she rarely ever flat-out refuses to help when dragged into the comedic situations (which of course, is what makes it a good punchline :-) ).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 13 Jul 2011, 20:57
DJ OCDelightful?

Ehh....kinda long for a DJ's name. But, that's my opinion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 13 Jul 2011, 22:44
DJ OCDelightful?

Ehh....kinda long for a DJ's name. But, that's my opinion.

DJ OCD, played to the background of O.P.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM), which Hanners will be blissfully unaware of the meaning behind the song.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: westrim on 13 Jul 2011, 22:47
I was going to type that I was looking forward to seeing '69, then realized how that would look, then decided to type it anyway and clarify that I meant 1969, both the comic and the year (Summer of 69, moon landing, etc, dohoho). Only 44 more strips until we're in the fuuuutuuuuure.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 13 Jul 2011, 23:40
This is ground control to Major Tai...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: westrim on 13 Jul 2011, 23:59
This is ground control to Major Tai...
That's a depressing song. I like the Shiny Toy Guns cover though.

Oh my god I actually recognized a musical reference! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 14 Jul 2011, 00:31
One of the endearing things I enjoy about Hannelore is that she rarely ever flat-out refuses to help when dragged into the comedic situations (which of course, is what makes it a good punchline :-) ).
Hannelore is arguably the bravest character in the comic, constantly pushing her boundaries. With her wealthy family background, she could wrap herself in cotton-wool, but she doesn't.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: westrim on 14 Jul 2011, 00:31
Poor Tai. Finally ready for a real relationship only to be misunderstood and badly timed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Faye Whitaker on 14 Jul 2011, 00:32
Poor Tai. Finally ready for a real relationship only to be misunderstood and badly timed.

Yeah but I think most people saw that coming.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jul 2011, 00:36
Oh NOEWS!!!! :-o


It's more of that non-drama drama again!!!!!! :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: ZERO on 14 Jul 2011, 00:37
I, for one, hoped it was coming.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 14 Jul 2011, 00:39
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2011, 00:41
Tai seemed to think about going for it, but retreated at the last minute.  Not like it would've worked, but she still sort of took the high road?

Warning - while you were typing a horrible pun has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Jul 2011, 00:46
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/miabiboy_14/GIFs%20And%20Funny%20Stuff/ObamaClapping.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 14 Jul 2011, 00:51
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.
ouch.... it burns, burns, burns my poor innocent eyes.
comic: that was a very decent, mature way to handle it. Tai level up!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: ZERO on 14 Jul 2011, 00:52
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.

…Jesus…
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jul 2011, 01:03
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.
Bad-doom tish.

Hannelore has the courage of a bullfighter when she faces a normal day.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 14 Jul 2011, 01:07
I think that actually following through with an offer of casual sex OR a real relationship at this stage would have been too much, too soon.

I don't think that bringing it up in the first place was the best of ideas, but at least she let it drop. Mind you, as I read that I almost saw the dejection coming off the screen. Ouch.


And I think it's safe to say that Akima wins at bad punmanship. And it only gets worse the more you think about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: JackFaerie on 14 Jul 2011, 01:08
Tai seemed to think about going for it, but retreated at the last minute.  Not like it would've worked, but she still sort of took the high road?

I don't think she retreated per se. She did proffer the no-strings-attached arrangement half-jokingly, because she, too, actually wants a relationship with Dora. Her stammering was because while she was tempted to see if she could go for just the sex, she realized her feelings for Dora would make it far too complicated.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Doc on 14 Jul 2011, 01:09
Panel 3
Dora: "I know, you work with Marten. It'd be weird".
Tai: "Okay, I'll just fire him. Now come to bed."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 14 Jul 2011, 01:13
Panel 3
Dora: "I know, you work with Marten. It'd be weird".
Tai: "Okay, I'll just fire him. Now come to bed."
Which would explain the Dora smirk in the last panel ... ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Skaltura on 14 Jul 2011, 01:14
And Dora seems to be completely Oblivious To Love (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObliviousToLove). I'm not 100% I buy that, but I guess we'll have to see.

And Tai, come one, I know you're trying not to get hurt (especially considering she might be similar to Sven, in that she never had a relationship that was based on love instad of sex) but after a certain amount of time not being able to spit it out (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanNotSpitItOut) will even get to you free-spiritied casual sex lesbians (is that even a real thing?).

PS: Yes, I'm actively trying to ruin your work day, lets see those browser tabs exploding!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: CompSarge on 14 Jul 2011, 01:16
DJ OCDelightful?

Ehh....kinda long for a DJ's name. But, that's my opinion.

DJ OCD, played to the background of O.P.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM), which Hanners will be blissfully unaware of the meaning behind the song.



OCDJ.

Awww, poor Tai. Getting rejected via offhand comment is the worst.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jul 2011, 01:33
Or you could say that Dora's casual, but not oblivious, way of handling it gently avoided the drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: guayec on 14 Jul 2011, 01:42
i assume dora is joking? about that being the (only?) reason to not have casual sex with tai?
i wanna think she is joking.
i wanna like dora again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jul 2011, 01:52
Maybe Dora knows what Tai is really after, but since Dora isn't ready for that, she's offering the Marten thing as a reason not to explore anything with Tai right now.

This does two things. First. it allows both of them to save face, And second by cutting her off with a more superficial reason before she can make any kind of offer, Dora doesn't have to reject the idea of a serious relationship with Tai down the road.

Of course, if my theory is correct, it would mean that Dora is a fucking Drunken Master of relationship-foo, which history tells us is nowhere near the case.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: bhtooefr on 14 Jul 2011, 02:15
There's also the fact that while Dora and Marten were still dating, Tai told Marten that she wouldn't be able to take his sloppy seconds if they broke up. And, Marten may have told Dora that for whatever reason...

Given that Tai's actually having a more mature viewpoint towards this, them dating actually wouldn't be an awful idea, now. It wouldn't last, and it would count as a rebound for Dora, but what it could do is teach Tai more about what she's looking for - she's clearly put Dora on a pedestal, and them dating would knock Dora clean off that pedestal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: michael28 on 14 Jul 2011, 02:20
...
it would mean that Dora is a fucking Drunken Master of relationship-foo, which history tells us is nowhere near the case.

...that's a martial art I'd like to get a black belt in, and proudly wear it on every occasion!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Skewbrow on 14 Jul 2011, 02:31
Maybe Dora knows what Tai is really after, but since Dora isn't ready for that, she's offering the Marten thing as a reason not to explore anything with Tai right now.

This does two things. First. it allows both of them to save face, And second by cutting her off with a more superficial reason before she can make any kind of offer, Dora doesn't have to reject the idea of a serious relationship with Tai down the road.

Of course, if my theory is correct, it would mean that Dora is a fucking Drunken Master of relationship-foo, which history tells us is nowhere near the case.

This theory is so beautiful that I want it to be true. Screw observations, supporting evidence and the other things we usually require from a scientific theory before we can accept it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jul 2011, 02:40
There's also the fact that while Dora and Marten were still dating, Tai told Marten that she wouldn't be able to take his sloppy seconds if they broke up. And, Marten may have told Dora that for whatever reason...

Given that Tai's actually having a more mature viewpoint towards this, them dating actually wouldn't be an awful idea, now. It wouldn't last, and it would count as a rebound for Dora, but what it could do is teach Tai more about what she's looking for - she's clearly put Dora on a pedestal, and them dating would knock Dora clean off that pedestal.

I don't think Tai actually has a problem with Dora being sloppy seconds. That might have been Tai trying to make herself feel better about Dora not being available then. As soon as Marten and Dora broke up, those feelings went away pretty quick.

Whether Dora knows about her comments or not, she did seek Tai out at the party. She could have gone home after the date.

And your right. Being in a relationship with anyone usually knocks them off any pedastals on which they might have been placed.

I don't really know whether Tai and Dora would be a good match. And neither do they (whatever that means for fictional characters.) There's really only one way to find that out, and that's to give it a try.

It seems like Dora knows (finally!) that now is not a good time to try something like that, and if she did it would just be doomed to failure. But she's trying preserve the possibility for the future.

Either that, or she's completely oblivious to everything, which is still a possibility.


At least now, everyone in the gang can hang out and be friends again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 14 Jul 2011, 03:08
DJ OCDelightful?

Ehh....kinda long for a DJ's name. But, that's my opinion.

DJ OCD, played to the background of O.P.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGuGSDsDrM), which Hanners will be blissfully unaware of the meaning behind the song.



OCDJ.


You down with OCD?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tiogyr on 14 Jul 2011, 03:17
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.

Almost as bad as the pun in the "Rodney King got arrested again" thread on another forum where someone asked whatever happened to the record label he started and someone said "It crashed and burned, which was a shame, really. You'd think he'd have an ear for good beats."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Schmorgluck on 14 Jul 2011, 03:36
How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.
Holy Chao! I bow before you.
That's the kind of pun I'm trying to become able to pull out in English (I'm already quite good at awful puns in French).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: TinPenguin on 14 Jul 2011, 03:42
You know the art here really shows that Dora has half a decade or so on Tai. Especially the final panel. I look at that and I see a girl and a woman.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jul 2011, 03:46
Almost as bad as the pun in the "Rodney King got arrested again" thread on another forum where someone asked whatever happened to the record label he started and someone said "It crashed and burned, which was a shame, really. You'd think he'd have an ear for good beats."

Clearly defining the difference between a beat-down and a down-beat....











I'm going to hell now, are'nt I.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 14 Jul 2011, 04:01
D'aw. Tai is genuinly in love with her. C'mon Tai, confess, confess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 04:31
Clearly defining the difference between a beat-down and a down-beat....

I'm going to hell now, are'nt I.

If the PUNisher doesn't catch you, Apostrophe Man certainly will.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: akronnick on 14 Jul 2011, 04:51
I knew something didn't look right about that post...

Damn work computer and its IE7 with no spellcheck!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 14 Jul 2011, 05:46
D'aw. Tai is genuinly in love with her. C'mon Tai, confess, confess.

Oh please, Tai barely knows her.  It's all about looks as Tai is an horny, immature little girl.

I don't know why any of you are rooting for this to happen; there is a unwritten code that all friends of the ex couple should wait six months before pursuing anything.  Tai not only is breaking this code, she just apologized to Marten for trying to get together with Dora.  Tai is pretty much a horrible person.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Jul 2011, 05:49
I'll take "Crash and Burn" for $500, Alex.

How sad. A classic example of bad Taiming.

BOOOOOOOO.

(hands Akima the pun jar)

You know the art here really shows that Dora has half a decade or so on Tai. Especially the final panel. I look at that and I see a girl and a woman.

Great catch. And 100% true. Amazing how you can tell the difference of just five-six years in one picture/panel of a comic.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 06:08

You know the art here really shows that Dora has half a decade or so on Tai. Especially the final panel. I look at that and I see a girl and a woman.

Great catch. And 100% true. Amazing how you can tell the difference of just five-six years in one picture/panel of a comic.

Yes, and that observation also ties in with a thought I recently had which is that Tai seems mainly to be suffering from a major crush.

I can't work out whether it is a shame or for the best that Dora didn't let her finish that sentence.

Dora does have a lot on her mind right now, so she can be forgiven for being oblivious (which is how she seems to me, although the theory of akronnick is appealing).
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: lepetitfromage on 14 Jul 2011, 06:37
From the look on Tai's face in panel 3, I'm guessing that she was about to say something along the lines of "I would jump your bones in a second but I don't want to because I really like you and don't just want a physical relationship". I mean, she's blushing pretty intensely.

So I am personally glad that Dora cut her off. While we know a lot about the guys Dora dated, do we know anything about the ones that were interested in her that she turned down? She's attractive, witty and successful...I can imagine she's had to turn a few people down. Maybe she's smarter/better at letting people down gently that she isn't dating than she is at actually being in a relationship? Because that really was the ideal moment to step in and avoid awkwardness. Kudos to Dora!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Black Sword on 14 Jul 2011, 07:02
I'm so glad Tai has been shot down. That's one complication we don't need. I didn't used to mind Tai, but I've developed a fierce dislike of her lately.

Since this arc seems concluded (at last!), I wonder what will be next?

I knew something didn't look right about that post...

Damn work computer and its IE7 with no spellcheck!

Amen!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 14 Jul 2011, 07:08
D'aw. Tai is genuinly in love with her. C'mon Tai, confess, confess.

Oh please, Tai barely knows her.  It's all about looks as Tai is an horny, immature little girl.

I don't know why any of you are rooting for this to happen; there is a unwritten code that all friends of the ex couple should wait six months before pursuing anything.  Tai not only is breaking this code, she just apologized to Marten for trying to get together with Dora.  Tai is pretty much a horrible person.

Not horrible, just a bit of an idiot who doesn't care about anyone's pleasure except her own in the long run? She apologized for Marten, only to go after Dora any way.

Yet, guess that makes Tai human.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Throg on 14 Jul 2011, 07:10
You know the art here really shows that Dora has half a decade or so on Tai. Especially the final panel. I look at that and I see a girl and a woman.

First post here.

The last few comics show a lot of character growth in Dora. She didn't rush into a rebound relationship, she had a moment of epiphany about herself while talking with Jim, and from her expression in the last few panels both with Marten and Tai, she's happy about finding balance within herself.  

= = =

On a completely different note, I like how Jeph has been experimenting with different perspectives / "camera angles".  The low-angle shot from last Friday; the gradual close-up on Monday whie Marten and Dora were talking; and especially the varying close-up / zoom out for comic emphasis when Dora walks into the party.  Nice stuff.  

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 14 Jul 2011, 07:22
D'aw. Tai is genuinly in love with her. C'mon Tai, confess, confess.

Oh please, Tai barely knows her.  It's all about looks as Tai is an horny, immature little girl.

I don't know why any of you are rooting for this to happen; there is a unwritten code that all friends of the ex couple should wait six months before pursuing anything.  Tai not only is breaking this code, she just apologized to Marten for trying to get together with Dora.  Tai is pretty much a horrible person.

Here is a example of the rule, or law, or code in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nAlb0qP5E

However, I'm not judging Tai. I feel any kind of intimate relationship for Dora or Marten would be too soon if it was with a member of the regular cast.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 14 Jul 2011, 07:27
So I am personally glad that Dora cut her off. While we know a lot about the guys Dora dated, do we know anything about the ones that were interested in her that she turned down? She's attractive, witty and successful...I can imagine she's had to turn a few people down. Maybe she's smarter/better at letting people down gently that she isn't dating than she is at actually being in a relationship? Because that really was the ideal moment to step in and avoid awkwardness. Kudos to Dora!

You raise a interesting question. I would add to it by asking if any of the bad relationships Dora's had in the past are with women? Or has all her experiences with women been of a casual nature?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2011, 07:29
Here is a example of the rule, or law, or code in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nAlb0qP5E
See, that may mention the code in question, but it also ends with "the great taste of Miller Lite", so why should I trust anything in that commercial?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 14 Jul 2011, 07:44
i assume dora is joking? about that being the (only?) reason to not have casual sex with tai?
i wanna think she is joking.
i wanna like dora again.

You got a better one?  Especially since she offered to have casual sex with Jim just a few strips ago.

More importantly, it doesn't really matter; the point is that this is the reason Tai herself gave while they were still dating, so I'm guessing Marten told her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Sylentknight on 14 Jul 2011, 08:10
Here is a example of the rule, or law, or code in question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88nAlb0qP5E
See, that may mention the code in question, but it also ends with "the great taste of Miller Lite", so why should I trust anything in that commercial?

I could have pointed to other sources for the "rule" but I felt the commercial was more amusing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2011, 08:21
Does anyone know what the bro code says on the issue?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Near Lurker on 14 Jul 2011, 10:14
It says "don't belittle your relationships with men by suggesting that any motivation other than to please/impress your wife/future wife is something you should have grown out of after college."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 14 Jul 2011, 10:26
Jeff's drawing of dejected Tai is absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2011, 10:30
It says "don't belittle your relationships with men by suggesting that any motivation other than to please/impress your wife/future wife is something you should have grown out of after college."
So what you're saying is... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtJfMB5u60)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Dust on 14 Jul 2011, 10:43
Dora does have a lot on her mind right now, so she can be forgiven for being oblivious (which is how she seems to me, although the theory of akronnick is appealing).

I'm not sure she is, Dora in Panel 4 (to me) looks like someone who's accepted her situation and is ready to move on.

I'm so glad Tai has been shot down. That's one complication we don't need. I didn't used to mind Tai, but I've developed a fierce dislike of her lately.

Since this arc seems concluded (at last!), I wonder what will be next?

We've not heard anything for some time about Marten's father and his wedding. But, I expect we'll get wacky hi-jinx to offset this before anything else (and we still haven't seen any caterwauling, Jeph may have a Wham episode for Friday..)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 14 Jul 2011, 10:52

We've not heard anything for some time about Marten's father and his wedding. But, I expect we'll get wacky hi-jinx to offset this before anything else (and we still haven't seen any caterwauling, Jeph may have a Wham episode for Friday..)

I thought Dora and Marten meeting was the thing to make us all go caterwauling?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: ems on 14 Jul 2011, 11:15
Blah. Just jump her already Tai. We're all waiting for you to do so.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 14 Jul 2011, 12:04
I'm not really sure where the Tai hate is coming from... I mean, she doesn't seem like an ill-intentioned person. I'd say immautre and struggling to deal with new feelings and situations at worst.

It is weird though how Jeph's characters de-mature. I remember Tai being more grown up in her earlier appearances, the same with (I hate to repeat what so many have said) Hannelore. It's like Benjamin Button all up in here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Blood-Tree on 14 Jul 2011, 12:28
I'm not really sure where the Tai hate is coming from... I mean, she doesn't seem like an ill-intentioned person. I'd say immautre and struggling to deal with new feelings and situations at worst.

Tai has empathy but chooses to ignore it by placing her own desires before loyalty to her friends - she knows that her dating Dora would be kicking Marten but she tries to do it anyway.

Basically, she broke the Bro Code.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 14 Jul 2011, 12:30
I'm not sure how you would define "caterwauling" but I've seen threats to close the WCDT, a first since I started lurking about. I would say what we've been experiencing lately could easily qualify under the term. I've had more moments where I wanted to bang my head against my desk after reading this thread, as speculation ran even wilder than it normally does. Don't get me wrong, you can check the last couple of WCDTs and verify that I'm a big fan of subtext and reading between the lines, but it has gotten to the point of ridiculous a few times. I find myself getting sucked into the ridiculous too, and it's like I know it's stupid, but I just can't help myself. As Jeph has stated himself, there isn't always a deeper meaning to every detail in his comic (paraphrasing of course), but there are some serious fans who choose to believe otherwise, either in denial of the author's comment, assuming some Freudian "there are no accidents" point of view, or choosing to give no weight to the author's intention, and assess the work only, a popular type of literary criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Criticism). I would tend to reject all of these, since this isn't a finished work. It's hard to dismiss what the author says, when the author isn't finished with the work yet.

Anyway, I should end this before I'm tempted to jump into the conversation. I just deleted a good paragraph about my thoughts on Tai (twice!), because they pretty much led nowhere, and I'm pretty sure they would result in flames toward me, even perhaps by those who shared many of my opinions.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 14 Jul 2011, 12:33
My view is that Tai is genuinly in love, but realizes that it's completely impossible for different reasons.

I am not saying anything about whether they'd make a nice couple or anything. Probably not.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 14 Jul 2011, 12:44
I'm not really sure where the Tai hate is coming from... I mean, she doesn't seem like an ill-intentioned person. I'd say immautre and struggling to deal with new feelings and situations at worst.

It is weird though how Jeph's characters de-mature. I remember Tai being more grown up in her earlier appearances, the same with (I hate to repeat what so many have said) Hannelore. It's like Benjamin Button all up in here.

Both Tai and Hannelore have been chosen as comic relief to assist Raven and the robots.  Their characters have devolved to fit that role.  The only problem is Tai's humor role of "constant sex craving" isn't funny, just off-putting, especially with Marten in the mix.  Innocent, OCD humor from Hanners is much better.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: NotAwesomeAnymore on 14 Jul 2011, 12:45
I think this Dora thing is what's supposed to break her constant sex craving. I saw it as a transition for her character.

Tai has empathy but chooses to ignore it by placing her own desires before loyalty to her friends - she knows that her dating Dora would be kicking Marten but she tries to do it anyway.

Basically, she broke the Bro Code.

But Dora is not Marten's. It's not fair, just cos he was with her first.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: grimeyville on 14 Jul 2011, 13:17
But Dora is not Marten's. It's not fair, just cos he was with her first.

Sure, Tai and Dora can date some time down the road if that time comes, and sure Marten is not with Dora, and Dora is not with Marten.

It's just a manner of...

Dora herself has realized she needs to be at peace with herself in so many words, that it's time for soul-searching, not relationships.

Tai apologized to Marten for being a jerk and trying to set up a way that she could have Dora fling herself in Tai's arms, hopefully with seeing Marten there. (I am just going to assume here that Tai was hoping Dora and Marten would see each other, argue, Dora would go into a rage, start drinking with Tai, and WOOPS~One Night Stand. Unfortunately for Tai, this college logic doesn't work because well, Dora and Marten are past those stages in emotional development.

After apologizing, she tries to go after Dora anyway, but...

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1949

Tai and Marten never discussed it more in detail. Sure Tai said she was sorry but she never said she was not going to go after Dora anyway. Marten said he was uncomfortable about it, but also qualified that it's not his place to say if they should date or not.

Looking at today's...

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1969

I think we are simply seeing Tai knock herself out, and instead of trying to recover, she just sort of took Dora's words and ran with them.

Dora seemed to be taking Tai's stuttering fit for her not wanting to hurt Marten, though that's far from anything Tai is thinking. Tai just wants to confess her feelings for Dora and instead lets herself get shut out by... Herself.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 14 Jul 2011, 13:37
This has been a great month for QC so far. A lot of plot development.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: iduguphergrave on 14 Jul 2011, 13:44
If Tai was really the horrible person certain people on here seem to think she is, she would have finished the sentence Dora cut off. Instead she wisely backed down by just saying "Right;" letting Dora have the ignorant bliss even though she's obviously hurt now. Also, I'd like to point out that Tai's "advances," for lack of a better word, haven't been all that aggressive. The most obvious instance would be her taking her shirt off at Dora's place, but that wasn't planned and Faye was there too, so it came off as more of a "yay naked ladies" moment and less of a "I'm into Dora" moment, if that makes any sense. Other than that, she hasn't crossed any real lines yet. And a terrible person wouldn't have apologized to Marten about trying to go after her.

It is weird though how Jeph's characters de-mature. I remember Tai being more grown up in her earlier appearances, the same with (I hate to repeat what so many have said) Hannelore. It's like Benjamin Button all up in here.

We saw mostly her professional side at first, what with her being introduced as Marten's boss. And as Dora has shown us, someone can be very competent in the workplace and hopeless in the other areas of their lives. Now that Tai's character is being developed a bit more, we're seeing the less-stable sides of her personality. Nobody's perfect.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 14 Jul 2011, 14:10
I'm not sure how you would define "caterwauling" but I've seen threats to close the WCDT, a first since I started lurking about.

Those were the first direct threats of that sort which I have ever made.  The behaviour that led to them also caused two bans in the end, and I hope the atmosphere will now be clearer again as a result.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 14 Jul 2011, 15:01
@Akima: Damn you for that pun. It hurt.

Moving on, Tai...I hope things turn out okay for you on this. Seeing as we'll only have tomorrow to see where this goes before Guest Strip Week 2011 starts, I want the week to end on a good note.

And if Jeph's Twitter is be believed.....the guests will be having some crazy fun this year.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 14 Jul 2011, 15:21
Blah. Just jump her already Tai. We're all waiting for you to do so.

Dry humping on the knee style, or crazy stalker/rapist/serial killer in dark alley type of jump?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 14 Jul 2011, 15:27
or the less predictable hurdle style jump. This would be far more entertaining.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 14 Jul 2011, 15:31
Blah. Just jump her already Tai. We're all waiting for you to do so.

Dry humping on the knee style, or crazy stalker/rapist/serial killer in dark alley type of jump?

Well see now, the dry humping of the leg is reminescent of a love sick puppy, and might be considered cute by some.
Crazy stalker/rapist/serial killer in the dark alley type of jump....not so much...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Jul 2011, 16:05
Dawwwwwww

Definitely looks like Tai is wanting more than a casual roll in the hay with Dora there.

Could it be that Tai is finally maturing??!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 14 Jul 2011, 16:49
Dawwwwwww

Definitely looks like Tai is wanting more than a casual roll in the hay with Dora there.

Could it be that Tai is finally maturing??!

No, a mature person would not go after a girl her friend and coworker is still emotional about.  Tai WAS maturing after her talk with Marten but then decided to screw him over anyway.  Very sleazy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2011, 16:58
Marten did basically give her permission.  He didn't have to, of course, but he pretty much did, assuring her that they are still bros, despite her intentions to pursue something with Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Jul 2011, 17:01
The results of "Chasing Dora"?

Dora and Tai Makeouts!    - 2 (2.6%)
Dora lets her down easy.    - 6 (7.9%)
Tai crashes and burns.    - 16 (21.1%) <=== Winnah!
Tai lets Dora down easy.    - 4 (5.3%)
DJ OCDelightful rokkin' da house!    - 25 (32.9%)
Marten meets a mystery girl!    - 3 (3.9%)
Marigold wins a dance competition!    - 1 (1.3%)
There Will Be Waffles!    - 2 (2.6%)
Angus & Faye give their commentary    - 3 (3.9%)
Forums implode, everyone cries.    - 14 (18.4%)

Total Voters: 76
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Jul 2011, 17:12
<snip>

Especially since she offered to have casual sex with Jim just a few strips ago.

Wait, what?  Did I miss something?  All she said was, "I'm sure we could..." (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1963), and that was not specific at all. 

We could... try again?  ...go out for a nightcap?  ...see where things go from here? 


True, one  option is "...have sex?", but I think neither she nor Jim were anywhere near that point after what was really only a semi-successful first date! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 14 Jul 2011, 17:14
Marten did basically give her permission.  He didn't have to, of course, but he pretty much did, assuring her that they are still bros, despite her intentions to pursue something with Dora.

He was trying to be cool with it by saying that.  I mean come on, he was literally depressed about it just moments before.  The guy needs some time to heal.  There isn't a point where you just say "I'm ok with it now" and feelings never come up again.  It's a roller coaster, up and down.

Do you honestly believe he'd like to hear that Dora hooked up with Tai?  That'd Tai would be happy about it at work all week?  No, that's too much for anyone to take.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: dragontart on 14 Jul 2011, 17:29
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Do you honestly believe he'd like to hear that Dora hooked up with Tai?  That'd Tai would be happy about it at work all week?  No, that's too much for anyone to take.

Would be a double-edged sword for me. "Nice to see people I like (or still love) getting happy again" vs. "surely wouldn't want to be reminded all the time that obviously anybody but me is a better choice for that". I like the first part better, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 17:31
Dora does have a lot on her mind right now, so she can be forgiven for being oblivious (which is how she seems to me, although the theory of akronnick is appealing).

I'm not sure she is, Dora in Panel 4 (to me) looks like someone who's accepted her situation and is ready to move on.

I wasn't saying anything different, however she looks to me as though she is reflecting on all that has passed.

No, a mature person would not go after a girl her friend and coworker is still emotional about.

Considering that in the end she backed away from saying anything, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that she is becoming more mature.

I mean come on, he was literally depressed about it just moments before.

Ummm really?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: The Duke on 14 Jul 2011, 17:35
Did something strange happen with the poll? I didn't vote, yet one of the options is bolded as if I did.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jul 2011, 17:41
Same here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 17:49
Aaand same here.

And by way of apologizing for being a bit redundant: it's fascinating reading these forums to see how different people can look at the same panel and draw such different interpretations.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 14 Jul 2011, 17:58
I call shenanigans!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 18:00
The poll is missing the option "Pintsize cries himself to sleep".  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Jul 2011, 18:50
Oops, forgot to reset the vote counts. Try again.

EDIT: And the "A repeat of the 'Deep Sigh' comic" would be this one. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1328)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 19:15
Well, I got my vote option in, so naturally I had to vote for it. And why is Pintsize crying? Who knows? From reading the forums, maybe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 14 Jul 2011, 19:35
I mean come on, he was literally depressed about it just moments before.
This totally makes me giggle as I picture Marten being pushed down by some force. I know what you meant, but misuse (or in your case misplacement) of literally makes me either cringe or giggle. Yours was funny though.

On the question of Tai and Marten being bros, and the code and all, I think Tai's in the clear, but would be a better friend by keeping distance for a while, and I also think that's kind of how she acted it out. She knows it'd be ok, that Marten would forgive her eventually, so she floated the idea, but when met with less than the success she wanted, she backed off. Kind of playing the odds. *walks off humming The Gambler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo)*
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 14 Jul 2011, 19:59
Dora does have a lot on her mind right now, so she can be forgiven for being oblivious (which is how she seems to me, although the theory of akronnick is appealing).

I'm not sure she is, Dora in Panel 4 (to me) looks like someone who's accepted her situation and is ready to move on.

I wasn't saying anything different, however she looks to me as though she is reflecting on all that has passed.

No, a mature person would not go after a girl her friend and coworker is still emotional about.

Considering that in the end she backed away from saying anything, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that she is becoming more mature.

I mean come on, he was literally depressed about it just moments before.

Ummm really?


Yes, really.  http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1947

She only backed away from saying anything because Dora just implied that her knowing Marten would be too weird.  Now Tai isn't allowed to do anything because she knows Marten, and she's upset about it.

I mean come on, he was literally depressed about it just moments before.
This totally makes me giggle as I picture Marten being pushed down by some force. I know what you meant, but misuse (or in your case misplacement) of literally makes me either cringe or giggle. Yours was funny though.

On the question of Tai and Marten being bros, and the code and all, I think Tai's in the clear, but would be a better friend by keeping distance for a while, and I also think that's kind of how she acted it out. She knows it'd be ok, that Marten would forgive her eventually, so she floated the idea, but when met with less than the success she wanted, she backed off. Kind of playing the odds. *walks off humming The Gambler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo)*

He was "literally depressed".  As in, he was slouched on a table with a cloud of gloom pushing down on him and Tai.

But somehow we're supposed to believe that Marten immediately pulled a 180 and became completely over Dora in a split second.  Yeah, not buying it.  I highly doubt Tai bought it either, but she didn't really give a shit about Marten's feelings till she discovered that, shit, Dora does.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 20:05
Yes, really.  http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1947

OK. Quibble: that wasn't "moments ago" (which is what I was questioning).

But I agree with your observation about getting over something like that being a "roller coaster".

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But somehow we're supposed to believe that Marten immediately pulled a 180 and became completely over Dora in a split second.

I don't think anyone suggested that.

He doesn't need to be "completely over" Dora to accept Dora dating a specific person that he likes.

Anyway, it's all moot because she didn't confess her feelings in the end. And I don't buy the idea that she "didn't give a shit" until that point. It's a valid interpretation, but I don't share it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 14 Jul 2011, 20:11
ah, I too was confused by the "moments ago" part. Although I still think I'd call that "almost literally" depressed, as there is no real indication that the word "gloo...m" is actually pushing down on them. That is a much better use than I had previously thought though.

EDIT: I feel I may get questioned on how something can be "almost literal" and I think this situation applies. He looks like he's being literally pushed down (i.e. depressed) but there isn't anything actually doing the pressing
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: AngelofShadows on 14 Jul 2011, 21:38
Wow. People really seem to hate Tai. My thoughts if you're interested (and you are. YOU FUCKING ARE! I WILL PSYDUCK THE SHIT OUT OF YOU IF YOU AREN'T!), panel four is a bit of a mix. Yeah, Tai got shot down, but she's not some totally selfish person. The heart wants what it wants, doesn't mean she doesn't feel bad about leapfrogging over the corpse of Marten and Dora's relationship to get it. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: JackFaerie on 14 Jul 2011, 21:58
i assume dora is joking? about that being the (only?) reason to not have casual sex with tai?
i wanna think she is joking.
i wanna like dora again.

Wait, why would that possibly make Dora a bad person? Assuming she doesn't know Tai has deeper feelings for her, there's no reason NOT to have a casual fling with her except for the fact that it would make things weird with marten for both of them.

Dora knows Tai dates people casually, thus has experience in no-strings-attached sex, and thus should be a good candidate for that. She likes Tai as a person. She's just realized that she can't be dating anyone right now, but having casual sex is separate from that--she doesn't have to be celibate while she works on her issues. She has problems with insecurity and trust in relationships--in a truly casual FWB arrangement, her issues shouldn't apply. So assuming Dora doesn't know about Tai's feelings for her and finds her attractive, the Marten factor IS the only real reason not to hook up with her.

Oh please, Tai barely knows her.  It's all about looks as Tai is an horny, immature little girl.

I don't understand why everyone is acting like Tai is completely incapable of serious relationships. If you recall when she was first introduced, Tai was the one WANTING to have a serious, committed relationship with a girl who only did poly arrangements. Since the casual-relationship model was the prevalent state of things at her school, Tai gave up on having a serious relationship and went along with the flow, eventually getting a bit caught up in it, but it never really made her happy. And recently she's been thinking about how it hasn't really made her happy and how she really wants a serious relationship--which is in fact what she wanted all along. Yes, she's not the most mature person, and that certainly played out in her past sexual relationships. But she was a college student and experimenting--almost no one is mature in that situation! Poly relationships are very difficult to conduct without drama unless you have a fair amount of relationship experience, so the fact that Tai's had drama simply says that she's normal, not that she's spectacularly immature. It's kind of like calling a beginning gymnast a klutz because they had no one to teach them the basics and started trying to perform advanced maneuvers right off the bat instead. And actually a lot of times when we heard about relationship drama in relation to her, Tai was talking about other people.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: themacnut on 14 Jul 2011, 22:14
Unfortunately since Tai DOES have deeper feelings for Dora and wants a serious committed relationship, having a fling with Dora would be a bad idea for Tai, and ultimately for Dora as well. Sure, it'd be cool for Dora at first, but once Tai's deeper feelings came out Much Drama would ensue. It would end up being a disaster for both of them. Of course, it'd be quite entertaining for most of us readers, but I'm not sure Jeph would enjoy drawing it...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 14 Jul 2011, 22:23
I just want to add to JackFaerie's good post that if you believe that Dora even suggested that awkwardness between Tai and Marten was the only reason to not have casual sex with Tai, then you are reading something that simply isn't there. She's not even describing her own motivations at all. She is just (incorrectly as it happens) interpreting Tai's*.

So, please, go ahead and like Dora again. You know you want to.

* Unless you believe the theory that Dora is being super tactful, in which case she's not even stating that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: guayec on 14 Jul 2011, 23:19
Wait, why would that possibly make Dora a bad person? Assuming she doesn't know Tai has deeper feelings for her, there's no reason NOT to have a casual fling with her except for the fact that it would make things weird with marten for both of them.

i know, i know. it is just a very personal approach: i dont really 'get' casual sex, and i usually dont like people that are into it. im not judging or anything, is just a visceral thing. and i dont think dora is a bad person, but ive come to like her less and less since she broke up with marten. for me that is still not resolved, and i think a casual fling would cause as much damage at this point as a more serious commitment. but thats my take on feelings and emotions.

(please notice the words 'personal', 'usually', 'not' and 'my')
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: JackFaerie on 14 Jul 2011, 23:35
Yeah, and it seems like Dora has her own different reasons--maybe although she thinks Tai is cute, she just doesn't think of her "that way," maybe she doesn't want to get involved with someone so much younger, maybe although she technically could have a sex-only arrangement right now, she doesn't actually want to and would rather take the time to set her head straight without bringing anything else into the mix... but if Dora felt comfortable having a purely casual arrangement right now and was into Tai that way, there'd be no problem with it except for the Issue of Marten.

This would only be true, of course, if Tai weren't hardcore crushing on Dora. As it is, getting involved with Tai would be a terrible idea. But we're not sure how aware Dora is of the extent of Tai's attraction to her.

Heck, right now I think it may well do Marten some good to get some sort of casual thing going. It would probably melt his brain to have sex with a girl he's not In A Relationship with, but it could be good for him to learn that he doesn't have to give his heart and balls to every girl he sleeps with. Might allow him to be a little more clear-sighted with his emotions and fine-tune his selection process for next time.  (I'm not saying it's a bad thing to only want serious relationships, the way Marten seems to, but that it's better to find people who are truly good for you and get into serious relationships with them, rather than committing to whoever you happen to be dating at the time and then clinging to them come hell or high water.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: themacnut on 15 Jul 2011, 00:06
It may do Marten some good to have a casual fling, but he couldn't initiate such a thing even if he wanted to-a Casanova he most certainly ain't. It'd have to be some aggressive lady throwing herself at him-might happen at the party, if he actually goes back inside...
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Tova on 15 Jul 2011, 00:23
I think it would do Marten better to spend some time focused on his own goals, than to look for a casual fling.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Jul 2011, 00:35
And in the interview (http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/07/14/267909/questionable-content-cartoonist-jeph-jacques-on-post-college-career-paths-the-space-program-and-what-hes-learned-from-readers/) recently posted, Jeph says that he has in mind for Marten to do that.

Quote from: Jeph
suddenly you’re 25, or 29, and you haven’t really “done anything” with your life, and you’re not entirely sure how that happened. And that’s something I’m planning on exploring more in the relatively near future, with Marten in particular.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: themacnut on 15 Jul 2011, 00:50
Yeah, I think it's far more likely that Marten will actually (re)discover some deeper goals for his life (like maybe getting back into music?), than him ending up having a fling. He couldn't make the fling happen if he wanted to, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: cesariojpn on 15 Jul 2011, 03:44
How anti-climatic end to the week. "Oh, my legs are numb."
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Jul 2011, 06:03
But as the caterwauling subsides, the forum can become Zen-contented.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: wrwight on 15 Jul 2011, 06:06
I thought this was perfect. It's Faye and Marten sitting together and talking. To me it kind of ties the whole thing together, and gives it a "things are getting back to normal" type of finality. Can't wait to see what Jeph has coming up next, but I suppose I'll have to. Oh well then, I can't wait to see what the guest strips do. It's always an interesting week when guest strips abound.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Jul 2011, 06:07
And we end the week with?

A repeat of the "Deep Sigh" comic.    - 3 (10.3%)
Faye and Angus makeout snark!    - 1 (3.4%)
OCDJ Hanners gets her next gig!    - 8 (27.6%)
Tai cries herself to sleep    - 3 (10.3%)
Marigold vs. Dale - at a house party?    - 4 (13.8%)
Marten cries himself to sleep.    - 1 (3.4%)
Dora cries herself to sleep.    - 0 (0%)
Pintsize cries himself to sleep.    - 4 (13.8%)
Sven joins a monastery.    - 3 (10.3%)
Post-party waffles.    - 2 (6.9%)

Total Voters: 29

Okay, now I believe that Jeph really does read the forums. He did NONE of the ABOVE.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 15 Jul 2011, 07:58
How anti-climatic end to the week. "Oh, my legs are numb."

Kind of a metaphor, really. Marten would like to join the party -- better himself -- but his motivation is asleep.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 15 Jul 2011, 08:00
i assume dora is joking? about that being the (only?) reason to not have casual sex with tai?
i wanna think she is joking.
i wanna like dora again.

Wait, why would that possibly make Dora a bad person? Assuming she doesn't know Tai has deeper feelings for her, there's no reason NOT to have a casual fling with her except for the fact that it would make things weird with marten for both of them.

Dora knows Tai dates people casually, thus has experience in no-strings-attached sex, and thus should be a good candidate for that. She likes Tai as a person. She's just realized that she can't be dating anyone right now, but having casual sex is separate from that--she doesn't have to be celibate while she works on her issues. She has problems with insecurity and trust in relationships--in a truly casual FWB arrangement, her issues shouldn't apply. So assuming Dora doesn't know about Tai's feelings for her and finds her attractive, the Marten factor IS the only real reason not to hook up with her.

Oh please, Tai barely knows her.  It's all about looks as Tai is an horny, immature little girl.

I don't understand why everyone is acting like Tai is completely incapable of serious relationships. If you recall when she was first introduced, Tai was the one WANTING to have a serious, committed relationship with a girl who only did poly arrangements. Since the casual-relationship model was the prevalent state of things at her school, Tai gave up on having a serious relationship and went along with the flow, eventually getting a bit caught up in it, but it never really made her happy. And recently she's been thinking about how it hasn't really made her happy and how she really wants a serious relationship--which is in fact what she wanted all along. Yes, she's not the most mature person, and that certainly played out in her past sexual relationships. But she was a college student and experimenting--almost no one is mature in that situation! Poly relationships are very difficult to conduct without drama unless you have a fair amount of relationship experience, so the fact that Tai's had drama simply says that she's normal, not that she's spectacularly immature. It's kind of like calling a beginning gymnast a klutz because they had no one to teach them the basics and started trying to perform advanced maneuvers right off the bat instead. And actually a lot of times when we heard about relationship drama in relation to her, Tai was talking about other people.

Our Tai experiences include trying to be naked during an apartment move, showing off her vagina, getting drunk and hopping on people...

Tai, like many people, say one thing but do something else.  But I'm not mad about that, I'm mad that she shows no respect for Marten who is her one true friend in the group.  She does not love Dora, it is a crush.  She barely knows Dora.  She could just wait a while and not stab her friend in the back.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gangler on 15 Jul 2011, 08:13
Our Tai experiences include trying to be naked during an apartment move, showing off her vagina, getting drunk and hopping on people...

Tai, like many people, say one thing but do something else.  But I'm not mad about that, I'm mad that she shows no respect for Marten who is her one true friend in the group.  She does not love Dora, it is a crush.  She barely knows Dora.  She could just wait a while and not stab her friend in the back.
None of those things are indicative of an inability to maintain a monogamous relationship. More an indication of an enjoyment of drunken buffoonery than anything else, and also a general lack of modesty or shame in her body.

Tequlla makes Tai's clothes fall off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIBJvhABsA). That's all.

Anyway unlike the rest of the cast Tai's just a girl. Young, immature, she lives in another world entirely. I mean we've gone in depth into the fact that her life is all college drama and hormonal barely adults trading partners. A crush is a huge deal for people in that age demographic. She's probably never even dated anyone exclusively for more than a few months. Might not even actually have experienced love as such yet. All just part of the journey. What you describe as a stab in the back I'm sure she sees as nothing quite so noteworthy, and what you describe as a crush I'm sure she doesn't view as quite so insignificant. It's a difference of perspective here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: stoutfiles on 15 Jul 2011, 08:30
Our Tai experiences include trying to be naked during an apartment move, showing off her vagina, getting drunk and hopping on people...

Tai, like many people, say one thing but do something else.  But I'm not mad about that, I'm mad that she shows no respect for Marten who is her one true friend in the group.  She does not love Dora, it is a crush.  She barely knows Dora.  She could just wait a while and not stab her friend in the back.
None of those things are indicative of an inability to maintain a monogamous relationship. More an indication of an enjoyment of drunken buffoonery than anything else, and also a general lack of modesty or shame in her body.

Tequlla makes Tai's clothes fall off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaIBJvhABsA). That's all.

Anyway unlike the rest of the cast Tai's just a girl. Young, immature, she lives in another world entirely. I mean we've gone in depth into the fact that her life is all college drama and hormonal barely adults trading partners. A crush is a huge deal for people in that age demographic. She's probably never even dated anyone exclusively for more than a few months. Might not even actually have experienced love as such yet. All just part of the journey. What you describe as a stab in the back I'm sure she sees as nothing quite so noteworthy, and what you describe as a crush I'm sure she doesn't view as quite so insignificant. It's a difference of perspective here.

Her clothes fall off when she's around Dora, sober or not.  Her line of thinking seems to be that getting naked will make Dora want to have sex with her.  It's pathetic in a disturbing way.

At least you agree she's young and immature unlike some other people.  I just find that annoying...she's either a horrible friend, an awful comic relief character, or both.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Castlerook on 15 Jul 2011, 08:51
Her clothes fall off when she's around Dora, sober or not.  Her line of thinking seems to be that getting naked will make Dora want to have sex with her.  It's pathetic in a disturbing way.

At least you agree she's young and immature unlike some other people.  I just find that annoying...she's either a horrible friend, an awful comic relief character, or both.

Her clothes fall when she's drunk. Of the three times when Tai has removed her clothes in the comic, two of them have involved her being completely and utterly smashed. Her removing her top at Dora's new place was just another mark of her impulsiveness. This was a woman who, literally on the spur of the moment, thought it would be a good idea to get her hood pierced.

She's dealing with new ideas and new feelings, and when Tai acts on them she does end up with her foot in her mouth. As it is at the moment, thats fine. Tai is still a kid, despite being in college, so yeah, she should be immature and leaping before looking. The only time a college student should be mature is when they're over the age of 23.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: TinPenguin on 15 Jul 2011, 09:12
I don't understand why everyone is acting like Tai is completely incapable of serious relationships. If you recall when she was first introduced, Tai was the one WANTING to have a serious, committed relationship with a girl who only did poly arrangements.

In case anyone wants the archive reference, it is here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=726) and in the next two strips.

This, from one of our earliest encounters with her, demonstrates that Tai is not a polyamorist, and can hold desires for a monogamous relationship. She's lustdriven and immature, and she's certainly not opposed to casual flings after having conformed to the Smif standard, but she has higher ideals, and this isn't the first time she's lusted after someone in such a way. It is lust though, and I think she'd struggle with the emotional side of a long-term relationship. But so do most people at this age. They still want it nonetheless, even if they don't realise the difficulty, and they still attempt it, but not normally with someone so much older than them.

It's not just that Dora is older. It's that she has crossed the threshold of maturity while Tai is still trying to break down the door with her clitoris. If they were each a few years older I reckon it'd be a lot more workable, despite the age gap being the same. On the whole, as much as I think Tai would be willing to commit to monogamy and really does want that, Dora is not the best person for her to be crushing on. It'll never happen.

So yeah, my opinion on Tai is that she is foolish and immature, but she's not some evil-seductress-devil-slut-from-hell or whatever some people seem to think she is, and there are way worse people than her in that Sapphic free-for-all they call a college.

She's dealing with new ideas and new feelings, and when Tai acts on them she does end up with her foot in her mouth. As it is at the moment, thats fine. Tai is still a kid, despite being in college, so yeah, she should be immature and leaping before looking. The only time a college student should be mature is when they're over the age of 23.  :laugh:

Good point. Her actions are an accurate portrayal of character type. She's a young person who is impulsive and whose behaviour is lacking in wisdom. You may as well complain that your dog can't read.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: dragontart on 15 Jul 2011, 09:16
(changed my mind, sorry.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 15 Jul 2011, 10:13
I hate it when both legs fall asleep. It's such a weird feeling....you have to experience it to understand.

My guess is that Jeph wanted to put things on hold in a sensible manner by ending the week like this. Now I wonder what the guest week will entail. Anyone know the lineup for the guests?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: tjradcliffe on 15 Jul 2011, 10:17
Quote
On the whole, as much as I think Tai would be willing to commit to monogamy and really does want that, Dora is not the best person for her to be crushing on. It'll never happen.

The essence of good drama is creating characters your reader will care about and then doing terrible things to them, so I'm not sure that a Dora/Tai hookup being a bad thing doesn't mean it'll never happen.  It could even make it more likely!

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 15 Jul 2011, 11:06
I thought this was perfect. It's Faye and Marten sitting together and talking. To me it kind of ties the whole thing together, and gives it a "things are getting back to normal" type of finality. Can't wait to see what Jeph has coming up next, but I suppose I'll have to. Oh well then, I can't wait to see what the guest strips do. It's always an interesting week when guest strips abound.

I agree, it was a really great wrap up (assuming this is the end of the "breakup" story line). To me, it would have been really cool if they had all left together but that might be a little cheesy.

"All's quiet now" Is how I'd describe it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Jul 2011, 12:08
Whenever someone says things are "quiet" in a movie or TV show they immediately follow it up with "Too quiet". I wonder what's going to happen next.

Possibly just some wacky banter: Jeph has said he prefers that over writing drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Cybit on 15 Jul 2011, 12:40
I actually think it was the perfect ending; and one that made me feel somewhat good inside, which is something QC needs.  It needs its ups and downs, it's funny moments balanced out by the drama, and vice versa.  It puts the focus squarely back on the two central characters, Marten and Faye, and us watching their crazy journey through life together.

As for the entire being 25, and finding out that you don't feel like you've done anything...to me, that's a perfect metaphor for my life, as well as many my age (I'm 26).  The trick isn't that I haven't done anything..it's that I don't feel like I've done anything, and then the true question becomes, what is that "something" that will make me feel like I've been useful with my life.  I'm really excited to see QC go down that path.   
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: gprimr1 on 15 Jul 2011, 13:38
I know that at times it seems like WWE writes their story lines to in cycles using Wrestlemania as the chance to end and begin story lines.

I wonder if Jeff uses Comic Con or anything like that to time his story lines?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Dust on 15 Jul 2011, 13:48
But as the caterwauling subsides, the forum can become Zen-contented.

Calm and zensible, that's us?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 15 Jul 2011, 16:33
I hate it when both legs fall asleep. It's such a weird feeling....you have to experience it to understand.
I don't quite understand why Marten's legs have gone to sleep anyway. he doesn't appear to be sitting in a position where it would happen. His jeans must be very, very tight.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Jul 2011, 16:37
And on Monday we'll see Faye carrying Marten inside.   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Akima on 15 Jul 2011, 16:51
Calm and zensible, that's us?
Yes, everything is much karma now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Jul 2011, 16:52
You're on a roll today, aren't you!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2011, 16:59
That one actually isn't so bad.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: SirDudley on 15 Jul 2011, 17:00
I hate it when both legs fall asleep. It's such a weird feeling....you have to experience it to understand.
I don't quite understand why Marten's legs have gone to sleep anyway. he doesn't appear to be sitting in a position where it would happen. His jeans must be very, very tight.
He was probably sitting funny and the sleepy feeling traveled down to his legs.

That or your theory. I'm open to either option.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Jul 2011, 17:11
Now I wonder what the guest week will entail. Anyone know the lineup for the guests?

I'm betting on at least one strip each from Randy Mulholland (http://somethingpositive.net/), Danielle Corsetto (http://www.girlswithslingshots.com/) and David Willis (http://www.shortpacked.com/).

And Akima: (tosses her the tub of butter). You might need this, since you're on a roll.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2011, 17:28
I know he's friends with Randall Munroe who is in turn friends with Bill Amend, so...maybe Bill Amend?
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Jul 2011, 17:28
Marten wears tight pants (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=764)
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Jul 2011, 19:03
And we end the week with?

A repeat of the "Deep Sigh" comic.    - 4 (10%)
Faye and Angus makeout snark!    - 2 (5%)
OCDJ Hanners gets her next gig!    - 10 (25%)
Tai cries herself to sleep    - 3 (7.5%)
Marigold vs. Dale - at a house party?    - 6 (15%)
Marten cries himself to sleep.    - 1 (2.5%)
Dora cries herself to sleep.    - 0 (0%)
Pintsize cries himself to sleep.    - 5 (12.5%)
Sven joins a monastery.    - 4 (10%)
Post-party waffles.    - 5 (12.5%)

Total Voters: 40
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: DSL on 15 Jul 2011, 19:08
I for one would welcome a Corsetto QC, and enjoyed John Allison's (Scary Go Round) recent take on the CoD ladies and their business plan. Wouldn't mind seeing Paul Taylor give us a Wapsi look at QC, either.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: Dust on 15 Jul 2011, 19:58
Calm and zensible, that's us?
Yes, everything is much karma now.

That's what Chi said.
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: rje on 15 Jul 2011, 20:41
How proper was it that the arc ended with Faye going out and talking to Marten? I mean that just felt very...yeah. Yeah that's how it all ends, with those two sitting on some steps quietly reflecting on everything and ending with a little joke.

Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: TinPenguin on 16 Jul 2011, 02:41
I hate it when both legs fall asleep. It's such a weird feeling....you have to experience it to understand.
I don't quite understand why Marten's legs have gone to sleep anyway. he doesn't appear to be sitting in a position where it would happen. His jeans must be very, very tight.

Or maybe his legs were just really tired! They are out late. Maybe they've been dancing! Maybe they've had a hard day shelving books! Legs do a lot of work, you know, and some people just don't give them the appreciation they deserve! Sometimes, they just need to rest, and don't you dare start criticising them for it! Marten is lucky they take him anywhere at all, the bastard! Anyone who has a problem with them, you deal with me, because his legs need to sleep now! Leave Marten's legs alone!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: idontunderstand on 16 Jul 2011, 04:11
Marten wears tight pants (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=764)

The plot thickens!
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: The Duke on 16 Jul 2011, 09:55
How anti-climatic end to the week. "Oh, my legs are numb."

Kind of a metaphor, really. Marten would like to join the party -- better himself -- but his motivation is asleep.

woah, man

deep

Seriously though, having both legs asleep is pretty funny.  I was sitting at the computer once and decided to grab a snack, and found myself unable to leave the chair, so I posted on Facebook "I cannot physically get up from my chair.  Send help, and Oreos."


Calm and zensible, that's us?
Yes, everything is much karma now.

That's what Chi said.

Nice.


Marten wears tight pants (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=764)

The plot thickens!

if you know what I mean
Title: Re: WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Post by: WAYF on 16 Jul 2011, 18:37
I see the poll, and I want to vote in it, but it's honestly far too difficult to choose between "#### OFF I'M BUSY" and "JUST NOD YOUR HEAD AND PRETEND TO CLICK THINGS".

I'm going to compromise and say that the moment of the week was all of Wednesday. :P