I mean, Queen nuked Apokolips.Bismillah, NO! :-D
Well, not with Bohemian Rhapsody. The song used was The Show Must Go On. By a Flash Rogue named Pied Piper. Yes, a magic flute nuked a planet with the power of Queen.I mean, Queen nuked Apokolips.Bismillah, NO! :-D
Well of course not Bohemian Rhapsody. If he had used that song, the Source Wall itself would have shattered.Still, if memory serves, that little stunt by Pied Piper is THE single-most amount of damage done to Darkseid's home world that's either canon or non-canon. Not even Superman has ever done that much damage. Yeah, Freddie Mercury has done more damage to Omega Darkseid's backyard than even the Man of Steel.
(...also Happy Comic Birthyear to me! (doesn't quite roll off the tongue does it))
I thought it would take longer for people to rip on Marten for doing the exact thing they've been ripping on him for not doing for months/years/your personal time-frame based on how long you've been in the forums versus when you noticed said ripping.
I think Amir and Hanners are just a little overexcited about the band being together. Chin up, Marten!
(...also Happy Comic Birthyear to me! (doesn't quite roll off the tongue does it))
I would have posted the new poll/thread, but I'm a bit busy trying to go to college now.
;)
UW-Whitewater Class of 1989
Hey, just because Marten wasn't trying to make a crazy awesome song doesn't mean he didn't.Can he successfully repeat what he did the first time though?
Only if his guitar is equally as untuned as it was today.Hey, just because Marten wasn't trying to make a crazy awesome song doesn't mean he didn't.Can he successfully repeat what he did the first time though?
I wish they´d get a singer and really get something started.
I wish they´d get a singer and really get something started.
Because obviously you can't possibly make music unless you have a singer. :psyduck:
I wish they´d get a singer and really get something started.
Because obviously you can't possibly make music unless you have a singer. :psyduck:
With two guitars and drums I don't see many haunting instrumentals in their future.
This is why you would never make it in music, though it seems that's far from your priority. Pop music (used in the general sense to separate it from orchestral or choral, what I generally call "legit music") is about 10% what you know (talent), 30% who you know (connections), and 60% combined ambition and perseverance. I was in a band for 7 years. I ended up quitting for various reasons, but the guitar player (and since I quit, the only founding member never to have quit the band) had the most drive to succeed in music that I've ever seen in anyone. He was my best friend for about 15 years or so, and honestly didn't have a lot of drive for anything else, but he was dedicated to music, specifically to the idea of his band being successful. I've never seen him work so hard at anything else.I thought it would take longer for people to rip on Marten for doing the exact thing they've been ripping on him for not doing for months/years/your personal time-frame based on how long you've been in the forums versus when you noticed said ripping.
I personally wanted Marten to do something a little more career oriented, like going to a local college to get a useful degree. Library job isnt going to cut it much longer. A better career and less time sitting around the coffee shop and bar would be good for him.
"Getting the band back together" is a fun hobby, but a hobby nonetheless. However, I'm glad he's doing something, even though it's not the best use of his time. I guess in QC world, adding Sven and Marigold to the band makes it world famous somehow, but being grounded to reality I would not suggest he put his time into making the band more than a hobby, especially after today's comic.
I would have posted the new poll/thread, but I'm a bit busy trying to go to college now.Hi dad!
This is why you would never make it in music, though it seems that's far from your priority. Pop music (used in the general sense to separate it from orchestral or choral, what I generally call "legit music") is about 10% what you know (talent), 30% who you know (connections), and 60% combined ambition and perseverance. I was in a band for 7 years. I ended up quitting for various reasons, but the guitar player (and since I quit, the only founding member never to have quit the band) had the most drive to succeed in music that I've ever seen in anyone. He was my best friend for about 15 years or so, and honestly didn't have a lot of drive for anything else, but he was dedicated to music, specifically to the idea of his band being successful. I've never seen him work so hard at anything else.I thought it would take longer for people to rip on Marten for doing the exact thing they've been ripping on him for not doing for months/years/your personal time-frame based on how long you've been in the forums versus when you noticed said ripping.
I personally wanted Marten to do something a little more career oriented, like going to a local college to get a useful degree. Library job isnt going to cut it much longer. A better career and less time sitting around the coffee shop and bar would be good for him.
"Getting the band back together" is a fun hobby, but a hobby nonetheless. However, I'm glad he's doing something, even though it's not the best use of his time. I guess in QC world, adding Sven and Marigold to the band makes it world famous somehow, but being grounded to reality I would not suggest he put his time into making the band more than a hobby, especially after today's comic.
This year, Stand Your Ground (the band I'm talking about, if it isn't obvious) has made their first national US tour a success, played several festivals, and very soon (30 Aug), they will release their Rite of Passage/Mediaskare debut album, Despondenseas. If any of you are fans of heavier music, you might recognize that record label as home to bands like Bury Your Dead, As Blood Runs Black, Reign Supreme, It Prevails, etc.
Anyway, that was quite a long tangent to say that I fully believe that music is a valid career choice, and a difficult one. Also, it's one of the most rewarding things you could possibly do.
Also, guitar, bass guitar, and drums can put together some pretty kick-ass instrumentals (especially with the help of loop pedals, and possibly laptops), but I agree that it would be better if they got a vocalist. Then again I am a vocalist, so maybe I'm biased.
This is why you would never make it in music, though it seems that's far from your priority. Pop music (used in the general sense to separate it from orchestral or choral, what I generally call "legit music") is about 10% what you know (talent), 30% who you know (connections), and 60% combined ambition and perseverance. I was in a band for 7 years. I ended up quitting for various reasons, but the guitar player (and since I quit, the only founding member never to have quit the band) had the most drive to succeed in music that I've ever seen in anyone. He was my best friend for about 15 years or so, and honestly didn't have a lot of drive for anything else, but he was dedicated to music, specifically to the idea of his band being successful. I've never seen him work so hard at anything else.I thought it would take longer for people to rip on Marten for doing the exact thing they've been ripping on him for not doing for months/years/your personal time-frame based on how long you've been in the forums versus when you noticed said ripping.
I personally wanted Marten to do something a little more career oriented, like going to a local college to get a useful degree. Library job isnt going to cut it much longer. A better career and less time sitting around the coffee shop and bar would be good for him.
"Getting the band back together" is a fun hobby, but a hobby nonetheless. However, I'm glad he's doing something, even though it's not the best use of his time. I guess in QC world, adding Sven and Marigold to the band makes it world famous somehow, but being grounded to reality I would not suggest he put his time into making the band more than a hobby, especially after today's comic.
This year, Stand Your Ground (the band I'm talking about, if it isn't obvious) has made their first national US tour a success, played several festivals, and very soon (30 Aug), they will release their Rite of Passage/Mediaskare debut album, Despondenseas. If any of you are fans of heavier music, you might recognize that record label as home to bands like Bury Your Dead, As Blood Runs Black, Reign Supreme, It Prevails, etc.
Anyway, that was quite a long tangent to say that I fully believe that music is a valid career choice, and a difficult one. Also, it's one of the most rewarding things you could possibly do.
Also, guitar, bass guitar, and drums can put together some pretty kick-ass instrumentals (especially with the help of loop pedals, and possibly laptops), but I agree that it would be better if they got a vocalist. Then again I am a vocalist, so maybe I'm biased.
You understand the work needed to get a band off the ground, yet you disagree with me. Marten is incredibly flaky, Amir himself is "questionable content", and Hanners is just having some fun. Not one of them has the dedication to be great, and you have to be great to make a real career out of music. I mean, Jeph can pull 180s on all his characters to make them succeed, but based on what we know about the band members they have no chance.
On a side note, the idea of starting a song with the guitar tuning to a chord while the bass and drums groove is a pretty cool idea. Probably been done many times, but still.
We have never before seen how Marten acts when motivated by a real life goalDoes Faye count?
No lack of dedication from Hannelore: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=887.
Marten would certainly have to change. If he's actually figured out what he wants from life, that change may be forthcoming.
You understand the work needed to get a band off the ground, yet you disagree with me. Marten is incredibly flaky, Amir himself is "questionable content", and Hanners is just having some fun. Not one of them has the dedication to be great, and you have to be great to make a real career out of music. I mean, Jeph can pull 180s on all his characters to make them succeed, but based on what we know about the band members they have no chance.
We have never before seen how Marten acts when motivated by a real life goal, so I think that what we know about Marten isn't quite enough to determine whether he can make a career out of music.
From what we know about Marten, he doesn't have the dedication to make a real career out of much at all except a librarian or office flunky, so by your logic he shouldn't try anything.
I think it's a bit rich to constantly complain that he has no goals, then when he selects the one obvious goal open to him, to complain "No, not that!"
I personally wanted Marten to do something a little more career oriented, like going to a local college to get a useful degree. Library job isnt going to cut it much longer. A better career and less time sitting around the coffee shop and bar would be good for him.
-I figured getting with Faye was a real-life goal, and that was guarded flirting and then bitter resentment. We've seen him motivated but we've never seen him give 100% effort. I'm not sure we ever will.
-I think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal. However, it has not been said that Marten is trying to make a career out of this, he might just want another hobby. Which is fine, for now anyway.
-When he fails, and he will unless multiple characters pull 180's, then he'll be back in the coffee shop that much older having accomplished nothing. I wonder when characters like Faye and Dora are married off and Marten is still that guy trying to keep the band alive and working at the library. I don't care if he has a hobby, but I want him to grow up a little as far as his future's concerned. Yes, Jeph is not going to let Marten fail at life, but if Marten was a real-life person his most likely outcome would be failing at life if he continues down this path. If you had Marten as a real-life friend, you wouldn't be the least bit worried about his future?
Hey, when did Marten get an SG? He was playing a tele (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=909) beforeWay back when. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=930) Poor Marten, he is a tertiary-educated music nerd, and his band-mates... aren't.
On a side note, the idea of starting a song with the guitar tuning to a chord while the bass and drums groove is a pretty cool idea. Probably been done many times, but still.
Grateful Dead, St. Stephen, from Skeletons in the Closet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8ImA_wSKI&feature=related).
At least, it always sounded that way to me!
Oh, yeah, now I remember.Hey, when did Marten get an SG? He was playing a tele (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=909) beforeWay back when. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=930) Poor Marten, he is a tertiary-educated music nerd, and his band-mates... aren't.
Uh.
So why is it bad to be in a "Metallica cover band" ?
Not that I would like Metallica much or anything.
Hey, when did Marten get an SG?
He was playing a tele (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=909) before
-I figured getting with Faye was a real-life goal, and that was guarded flirting and then bitter resentment. We've seen him motivated but we've never seen him give 100% effort. I'm not sure we ever will.
-I think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal. However, it has not been said that Marten is trying to make a career out of this, he might just want another hobby. Which is fine, for now anyway.
-When he fails, and he will unless multiple characters pull 180's, then he'll be back in the coffee shop that much older having accomplished nothing. I wonder when characters like Faye and Dora are married off and Marten is still that guy trying to keep the band alive and working at the library. I don't care if he has a hobby, but I want him to grow up a little as far as his future's concerned. Yes, Jeph is not going to let Marten fail at life, but if Marten was a real-life person his most likely outcome would be failing at life if he continues down this path. If you had Marten as a real-life friend, you wouldn't be the least bit worried about his future?
He's not going to "fail at life" if he shoots for something he wants and doesn't make it. :psyduck:
You think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal? You're entitled to your opinion, of course. Personally, I think he should shoot for something that he wants, rather than for something he's not as interested in but more likely to succeed in.
If he fails, then at least he'll know it isn't to be, and he can try something else. If he never tries, then he'll spend the rest of his life wondering "what if?"
If I were his real life friend, I'd be way more worried if he wasn't pursuing the thing he wants, because he's scared he'll fail. I certainly wouldn't be worrying "BUT WHAT IF HE FAILS?"
Hey, Marten's guitar isn't plugged in in the first frame.....and then, look! it magically is! :psyduck:
-I think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal. However, it has not been said that Marten is trying to make a career out of this, he might just want another hobby. Which is fine, for now anyway.
-When he fails, and he will unless multiple characters pull 180's, then he'll be back in the coffee shop that much older having accomplished nothing. I wonder when characters like Faye and Dora are married off and Marten is still that guy trying to keep the band alive and working at the library. I don't care if he has a hobby, but I want him to grow up a little as far as his future's concerned. Yes, Jeph is not going to let Marten fail at life, but if Marten was a real-life person his most likely outcome would be failing at life if he continues down this path. If you had Marten as a real-life friend, you wouldn't be the least bit worried about his future?
Perhaps, his stardom or lack thereof could be like Sven's, in that he makes enough to survive but isn't always thronged by the masses...though that would make an interesting internal conflict with how Marten is with the ladies.
Uh.
So why is it bad to be in a "Metallica cover band" ?
Not that I would like Metallica much or anything.
The members of Metallica have been apart of a Metallica cover band since 1995.
I'm glad he switched to the SG, though....I'm currently attempting repairs on my '74 Deluxe, which.....uh, fell into a foldback wedge at high velocity mid-show many years ago. Got a '72 Tele as well, but I'll take the SG over it any time!The SG is a better fit for the heavy sound that Deathmole is going for anyway.
The members of Metallica have been apart of a Metallica cover band since 1995.
I don't always quote, but when I do, I Quote For Truth.
Alright, music majors: I know you are out there. Let us know what those other riffs are, so we can get the jokes.
Stoutflies, I realize I'm probably taking your comments more personally than I should, and probably more personally than many others here, so I'm attempting to rebut them only as far as the comic goes (because personally I get the feeling you don't feel like art is a valid profession, which may not be true, but the tone of your comments strongly suggests it). You sound as if Jeph would have to write the characters and plot in a way that would seem inconsistent with their established personalities. So far in the band you have Marten, whose only real passion seems to be music, Amir, who would probably just tag along for the ride, working only as hard as he had to, but be pretty excited about being able to do it, and Hannelore, who loves to challenge herself, and is generally good at whatever she puts her mind to (and an excellent drummer, from the way she talked about it when she started). Then you have close ties with Sven, who plays the local circuit, as well as writing songs for the mainstream. None of the characters in the band so far have any ties that would prevent them from touring, as far as I know.
It's hard to know whether to address your attack on Marten and the others or your attack on Jeph. But since you obviously refuse to believe it is even possible, and have even gone so far as to criticise the beliveability of developments that haven't yet occurred, then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm justFixed your post. Proof is not on offer here.provingarguing a point.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm justFixed your post. Proof is not on offer here.provingarguing a point.
I only challenge Jeph to make this current story arc be plausible by having Marten really work at this for an extended period of time.
Remember that we actually see only glimpses of the characters in this comic. They do add up, but there is plenty of scope for aspects of their characters that we haven't really seen to be developed - without it having to involve reversals of their present characters. And very few people get famous - that's a really, really bad measure of success in life.
One thing that completely speaks against you, stoutflies, is that you have never, and will never, hear Marten play. Without that piece of information you don't know how far he could go.
(I know there are deathmole tracks out there, but I don't think we're supposed to take them as literally being played by Marten and the guys, they are Jeph's songs, nothing else)
I'd like him to be able to afford to retire, start a family, etc.
With the information we have it's skeptical that they would succeed, and by succeed I refer to making money for their efforts.
I'd like him to be able to afford to retire, start a family, etc.
I don't like to state the obvious, but this shouldn't be about what you'd like.With the information we have it's skeptical that they would succeed, and by succeed I refer to making money for their efforts.
Skeptical, sure. Impossible, no.
If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
To steal your words, with the information we have, he doesn't care about money.
He does care about having a crappy job he doesn't enjoy.
I don't remember Marten calling his current job "crappy". I'd be surprized if he did, considering his previous job denomination (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=85).
So I'm thinking if Jeph had switched the positions of the quarter and eight note in the second to last panel, it would've been spot on for the opening riff for Enter Sandman.
I want to see the alternate book version.
by a band called Tool.
Oh come on, what makes you think Metallica would threaten a lawsuit?
/sarcasm :roll:
EDIT: Comic: OH MY GOD ITS ALIVE (the comic, I mean) :-o
I have no clue how drums work, so I'm not sure what she's supposed to be doing with two feet that she's only doing with one...
Yeah, I know most drummers use a double bass pedal for wicked fast beat on it, but it is possible to be ridiculously fast with a single pedal. Here's a friend and her instructor having a drum duel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ahfr-HytZ0), and at around 0:42 he runs off a couple of bass drum rolls.
Enter Sandman indeed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE7GTc8p-1A
Yeah, the library job may not pay any better, but he still likes it a lot better than his "office bitch" job. Speaking of which, there is more to satisfaction at the job than how much it pays. There are many stories of people with high-paying but also highly stressful jobs (the two frequently go together) leaving those jobs for something lower paying but less stressful and more satisfying.
I doubt Marten could handle a high-paying but high-stress office job, like manager or VP or something else like that. Heck, I doubt he even WANTS one of those types of jobs. And as for taking a "safer" career path, well, with the economy and job market the way it is these days, I'm not sure there even is such a path any more. Companies merge and acquire each other daily, and when those deals are finalized employees are often laid off by the dozens, hundreds or even thousands, depending on size of the companies involved. This is basically what happened to Marten's office bitch job after all, and it's happened to people with more skills and experience than him. People who've worked their way up the ladder over years, reaching a pinnacle of pay and position, only to lose it in a layoff and ending up having to take a job making half or less what they did before. It's a story repeated over and over again across all kinds of career fields. In this kind of economy, you mind as well take a shot at something like a music career.
Your career path may be fairly secure now, stout, but don't count on it lasting. Most of us are vulnerable to an economic downturn, budget cut, business failure or merger/acquisition.
I want to see the alternate book version.
Oh wait was that a reference to Tool's music?
I thought it was referencing their videos, esp Sober
y'know the lil guy with the occasional spasms
(http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/trunkz_kapayou/Tool/sober.gif)
I don't listen to them regularly enough to recognize anything of their drumming tho I do love them
I have a cousin who went from Wall Street banker to pop star, of sorts - as a member of Straight No Chaser (http://www.sncmusic.com/album/with-a-twist/) - America's most successful a cappella band.
-I figured getting with Faye was a real-life goal, and that was guarded flirting and then bitter resentment. We've seen him motivated but we've never seen him give 100% effort. I'm not sure we ever will.
-I think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal. However, it has not been said that Marten is trying to make a career out of this, he might just want another hobby. Which is fine, for now anyway.
-When he fails, and he will unless multiple characters pull 180's, then he'll be back in the coffee shop that much older having accomplished nothing. I wonder when characters like Faye and Dora are married off and Marten is still that guy trying to keep the band alive and working at the library. I don't care if he has a hobby, but I want him to grow up a little as far as his future's concerned. Yes, Jeph is not going to let Marten fail at life, but if Marten was a real-life person his most likely outcome would be failing at life if he continues down this path. If you had Marten as a real-life friend, you wouldn't be the least bit worried about his future?
He's not going to "fail at life" if he shoots for something he wants and doesn't make it. :psyduck:
You think he should shoot for a low risk, achievable career goal? You're entitled to your opinion, of course. Personally, I think he should shoot for something that he wants, rather than for something he's not as interested in but more likely to succeed in.
If he fails, then at least he'll know it isn't to be, and he can try something else. If he never tries, then he'll spend the rest of his life wondering "what if?"
If I were his real life friend, I'd be way more worried if he wasn't pursuing the thing he wants, because he's scared he'll fail. I certainly wouldn't be worrying "BUT WHAT IF HE FAILS?"
Oh Metallica jokes. Will they ever get stale?Of course. When Metallica's music does. :-P
-When he fails, and he will unless multiple characters pull 180s, then he'll be back in the coffee shop that much older having accomplished nothing. I wonder when characters like Faye and Dora are married off and Marten is still that guy trying to keep the band alive and working at the library. I don't care if he has a hobby, but I want him to grow up a little as far as his future's concerned. Yes, Jeph is not going to let Marten fail at life, but if Marten was a real-life person his most likely outcome would be failing at life if he continues down this path. If you had Marten as a real-life friend, you wouldn't be the least bit worried about his future?Several characters have 'pulled 180s' to serve the needs of the story already, it could happen again. I assume it happens because Jeph is writing a story at a relatively slow pace and he's not always entirely happy with what he set up so long ago in the past.
It's hard to know whether to address your attack on Marten and the others or your attack on Jeph. But since you obviously refuse to believe it is even possible, and have even gone so far as to criticise the beliveability of developments that haven't yet occurred, then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm just proving a point. Marten has a much better chance of succeeding because he is the main character in a comic. If we translated Marten's situation to the real world and he was a person that you knew, the last thing you would be wondering is how his friends will take it when he's famous. As a friend you would root for him, but deep down be very skeptical that anything other than a bar gig would happen. I only challenge Jeph to make this current story arc be plausible by having Marten really work at this for an extended period of time.
If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
To steal your words, with the information we have, he doesn't care about money.
He does care about having a crappy job he doesn't enjoy.
If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune. The job is crappy because it doesn't pay well.
I've made my point, and we agree to disagree. I had hoped Marten would follow a safer path based on what I've seen from him. I guess we'll just see how it all plays out.
Tonight's strip went right over my head and into the weeds. I googled "tool video" and even watched several videos by a band called Tool. Oh well... Can't win 'em all.
It's hard to know whether to address your attack on Marten and the others or your attack on Jeph. But since you obviously refuse to believe it is even possible, and have even gone so far as to criticise the beliveability of developments that haven't yet occurred, then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm just proving a point. Marten has a much better chance of succeeding because he is the main character in a comic. If we translated Marten's situation to the real world and he was a person that you knew, the last thing you would be wondering is how his friends will take it when he's famous. As a friend you would root for him, but deep down be very skeptical that anything other than a bar gig would happen. I only challenge Jeph to make this current story arc be plausible by having Marten really work at this for an extended period of time.
You haven't proven anything here. You've stated an opinion. Those are two separate thing. As a friend to some people with serious musical aspirations, you're right, I would root for them. But, I have never been skeptical deep down. I've always been a believer of you can do anything you want as long as you put your mind to it. Maybe Marten's character wasn't as motivated before. But I'm under the impression he's getting some development. Maybe he's going to try harder to be motivated. And who's to say Jeph won't have Marten work hard over an extended period of time to reach his goals? As far as I know, none of us are psychics. We have no way of knowing what Jeph's plans are. For all we know, his plan might be to have Marten fail with music, but find his real passion along the way. Crazier things have happened.
If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
To steal your words, with the information we have, he doesn't care about money.
He does care about having a crappy job he doesn't enjoy.
If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune. The job is crappy because it doesn't pay well.
I've made my point, and we agree to disagree. I had hoped Marten would follow a safer path based on what I've seen from him. I guess we'll just see how it all plays out.
.... I have absolutely no words to describe how ridiculous a statement that is. If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune?
A crappy job is a crappy job regardless of how much you get paid. My older sister is an elementary school teacher. She doesn't get paid that much, but SHE LOVES HER JOB!
At one point in time she was a business major in college, obviously she changed her mind about wanting to be in business. But I imagine if she hadn't changed her major she'd be doing something businessy, getting paid twice if not three times as much as what she makes now, but she'd be miserable, because she didn't really enjoy it. Happiness is not synonymous with more money.
Some of these people even enjoy their jobs too, and its because they sat down and researched a career path they wanted to pursue.
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As I've said before, if I thought Marten was truly passionate about music I'd support this more, but to me it just seemed like the quick solution. If they had a strip where Marten went over different career paths, really sat down and thought everything through, his decision wouldn't be so sketchy.
As I've said before, if I thought Marten was truly passionate about music I'd support this more, but to me it just seemed like the quick solution. If they had a strip where Marten went over different career paths, really sat down and thought everything through, his decision wouldn't be so sketchy.
I'm not sure why people are suggesting that
- Marten wants to make the band his career,
- Marten should want to make the band his career,
- If Marten's not going to make the band his career, he's wasting his time playing music and should give up.
I'm not saying it won't happen - just don't see why people are being insistent.
Are Deathmole (no I can't do that Scandinavian thing) the hipster Archies, then? :-P
Yeah, I know most drummers use a double bass pedal for wicked fast beat on it, but it is possible to be ridiculously fast with a single pedal. Here's a friend and her instructor having a drum duel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ahfr-HytZ0), and at around 0:42 he runs off a couple of bass drum rolls.
Looked at the video. It seems like he has 2 pedals doesnt it?
Are Deathmole (no I can't do that Scandinavian thing) the hipster Archies, then? :-P
WIN.
I'm not sure why people are suggesting that
- Marten wants to make the band his career,
- Marten should want to make the band his career,
- If Marten's not going to make the band his career, he's wasting his time playing music and should give up.
I'm not saying it won't happen - just don't see why people are being insistent.
Can't tell if you're being serious or not. On the off chance that you are, Tool is a band that's known for having really difficult mathematical type of music. They're awesome. Schism is a great song.Well EXQUUUUUSE ME! if I don't measure up to your universal knowledge of every sound committed to tape, Nappy McTurtleneck (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=324). And yes, having listened to a number of their tracks, for the first time ever, I would agree that Tool are awesome. Some of their fans, maybe not so much. At least Mr. Doctor (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27112.msg1051468.html#msg1051468) was polite about it. Sheesh!
The animation did not "repeat" in the browser I normally use, so I missed it.
D'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW- *Seizes up*
Why not, that's where he practices.
I find it hard to believe that the problem is general to the browser (what is it?) rather than specific to your installation of it. I really wouldn't suggest that the one-off use of an animated GIF is in any way unreasonable these days. It even shows on my iPhone, though much too slowly.The browser that did not render the animated .gif correctly was Camino 2.0.7. On further thought, I was surprised at the .gif problem too, and having researching the problem, I found the cause and fixed it. My Camino was set to play animated images once only. Having found the appropriate parameter in the browser's configuration, I was able to edit it, and Hanners' leg now twitches like Volta's frogs.
Hey, this is my birth year comic! Yaaaaay! *confetti*
Hey, this is my birth year comic! Yaaaaay! *confetti*
For comic #1989...
4. As I have said it before, Hannelore does a great job for filling the companion role for/with Marten.
Hey, this is my college graduation year comic! Yaaaaay! *confetti*
And do I get the feeling that Marten's never really played a concert as a member of a band?
(Oh, and I vote "Hot Cross Buns".)
And do I get the feeling that Marten's never really played a concert as a member of a band?
...so if he put his nose to the grindstone and probably found a replacement for Amir I see no reason why he couldn't accomplish any goals he'd have here.
It's hard to know whether to address your attack on Marten and the others or your attack on Jeph. But since you obviously refuse to believe it is even possible, and have even gone so far as to criticise the beliveability of developments that haven't yet occurred, then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm just proving a point. Marten has a much better chance of succeeding because he is the main character in a comic. If we translated Marten's situation to the real world and he was a person that you knew, the last thing you would be wondering is how his friends will take it when he's famous. As a friend you would root for him, but deep down be very skeptical that anything other than a bar gig would happen. I only challenge Jeph to make this current story arc be plausible by having Marten really work at this for an extended period of time.
You haven't proven anything here. You've stated an opinion. Those are two separate thing. As a friend to some people with serious musical aspirations, you're right, I would root for them. But, I have never been skeptical deep down. I've always been a believer of you can do anything you want as long as you put your mind to it. Maybe Marten's character wasn't as motivated before. But I'm under the impression he's getting some development. Maybe he's going to try harder to be motivated. And who's to say Jeph won't have Marten work hard over an extended period of time to reach his goals? As far as I know, none of us are psychics. We have no way of knowing what Jeph's plans are. For all we know, his plan might be to have Marten fail with music, but find his real passion along the way. Crazier things have happened.
Do I really need to prove that the main character of a fictional comic has a better chance of succeeding than a real-life person? For instance, the odds of Marten getting hit by a bus and dying tomorrow are 0%. The odds of the town getting hit by a tsunami and everyone dying are 0%. In real-life, they aren't. Extreme, I know, but Marten lives in a world where he can't completely fail because his creator won't let him, as Marten and the rest of the cast support Jephs financial well being. No, that is not a knock against Jeph, it's just how it is. There are less paths a story arc can take in certain works of fiction than in a real-life scenario.If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
To steal your words, with the information we have, he doesn't care about money.
He does care about having a crappy job he doesn't enjoy.
If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune. The job is crappy because it doesn't pay well.
I've made my point, and we agree to disagree. I had hoped Marten would follow a safer path based on what I've seen from him. I guess we'll just see how it all plays out.
.... I have absolutely no words to describe how ridiculous a statement that is. If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune?
A crappy job is a crappy job regardless of how much you get paid. My older sister is an elementary school teacher. She doesn't get paid that much, but SHE LOVES HER JOB!
At one point in time she was a business major in college, obviously she changed her mind about wanting to be in business. But I imagine if she hadn't changed her major she'd be doing something businessy, getting paid twice if not three times as much as what she makes now, but she'd be miserable, because she didn't really enjoy it. Happiness is not synonymous with more money.
Would she do it for free? Now be honest, would she go there everyday for free? Even better, would she pay to work there? She LOVES it, and I pay for things I like to do, so would she? On the other end of the coin, would she be even happier if she made a million dollars a year? Wouldn't that make the job that much better? I know multiple teachers personally, and none of them are particularly pleased with their salary, among other things about their job(daycare service, discipline). I asked them if they made a fortune doing it, would they care as much about those issues...what do you think they said?
If I paid you a million dollars a day to literally shovel crap, would you do it? A million dollars, per day. Of course you would. While the job might literally be crappy, the pay would be so good that you would enjoy having that job. The fact is, most jobs do suck, but most people don't live to work, they work to live. They make enough that they can see the world, try new things, relax. Some of these people even enjoy their jobs too, and its because they sat down and researched a career path they wanted to pursue. They didnt plot their life out over a haircut and burger. Marten will never get to do certain things with his life because he can't afford to. If his guitar broke tomorrow could he even afford a new one? While you could argue that Marten doesn't care about things like money, the life he's leading currently hasn't made him the happiest person. Money is important, whether people want to admit it or not. It's not everything, and it can't buy happiness, but it can help.
As I've said before, if I thought Marten was truly passionate about music I'd support this more, but to me it just seemed like the quick solution. If they had a strip where Marten went over different career paths, really sat down and thought everything through, his decision wouldn't be so sketchy.
Can't tell if you're being serious or not. On the off chance that you are, Tool is a band that's known for having really difficult mathematical type of music. They're awesome. Schism is a great song.Well EXQUUUUUSE ME! if I don't measure up to your universal knowledge of every sound committed to tape, Nappy McTurtleneck (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=324). And yes, having listened to a number of their tracks, for the first time ever, I would agree that Tool are awesome. Some of their fans, maybe not so much. At least Mr. Doctor (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27112.msg1051468.html#msg1051468) was polite about it. Sheesh!
I think Jeph would do better to avoid jokes that depend on the exact behaviour of his readers' computers, browsers etc. The animation did not "repeat" in the browser I normally use, so I missed it. I'll have to make a point of reading QC in Safari or Chrome, I guess.
The animation did not "repeat" in the browser I normally use, so I missed it.
I find it hard to believe that the problem is general to the browser (what is it?) rather than specific to your installation of it. I really wouldn't suggest that the one-off use of an animated GIF is in any way unreasonable these days. It even shows on my iPhone, though much too slowly.
And btw, yea my sister would pay to be a teacher. I mean, when she was a student teacher during college, she was paying to be a teacher.As someone who's starting his final semester of student teaching in a few weeks, I don't think this can be stressed enough.
So... Hot Cross buns, Merrily We Roll Along or Ode to Joy?
It's hard to know whether to address your attack on Marten and the others or your attack on Jeph. But since you obviously refuse to believe it is even possible, and have even gone so far as to criticise the beliveability of developments that haven't yet occurred, then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
I'm not attacking Jeph...I'm just proving a point. Marten has a much better chance of succeeding because he is the main character in a comic. If we translated Marten's situation to the real world and he was a person that you knew, the last thing you would be wondering is how his friends will take it when he's famous. As a friend you would root for him, but deep down be very skeptical that anything other than a bar gig would happen. I only challenge Jeph to make this current story arc be plausible by having Marten really work at this for an extended period of time.
You haven't proven anything here. You've stated an opinion. Those are two separate thing. As a friend to some people with serious musical aspirations, you're right, I would root for them. But, I have never been skeptical deep down. I've always been a believer of you can do anything you want as long as you put your mind to it. Maybe Marten's character wasn't as motivated before. But I'm under the impression he's getting some development. Maybe he's going to try harder to be motivated. And who's to say Jeph won't have Marten work hard over an extended period of time to reach his goals? As far as I know, none of us are psychics. We have no way of knowing what Jeph's plans are. For all we know, his plan might be to have Marten fail with music, but find his real passion along the way. Crazier things have happened.
Do I really need to prove that the main character of a fictional comic has a better chance of succeeding than a real-life person? For instance, the odds of Marten getting hit by a bus and dying tomorrow are 0%. The odds of the town getting hit by a tsunami and everyone dying are 0%. In real-life, they aren't. Extreme, I know, but Marten lives in a world where he can't completely fail because his creator won't let him, as Marten and the rest of the cast support Jephs financial well being. No, that is not a knock against Jeph, it's just how it is. There are less paths a story arc can take in certain works of fiction than in a real-life scenario.If Marten didn't care about money then great, but he's shown no signs that he wouldn't like to be better off.
To steal your words, with the information we have, he doesn't care about money.
He does care about having a crappy job he doesn't enjoy.
If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune. The job is crappy because it doesn't pay well.
I've made my point, and we agree to disagree. I had hoped Marten would follow a safer path based on what I've seen from him. I guess we'll just see how it all plays out.
.... I have absolutely no words to describe how ridiculous a statement that is. If he made a million dollars a year, he'd be singing a different tune?
A crappy job is a crappy job regardless of how much you get paid. My older sister is an elementary school teacher. She doesn't get paid that much, but SHE LOVES HER JOB!
At one point in time she was a business major in college, obviously she changed her mind about wanting to be in business. But I imagine if she hadn't changed her major she'd be doing something businessy, getting paid twice if not three times as much as what she makes now, but she'd be miserable, because she didn't really enjoy it. Happiness is not synonymous with more money.
Would she do it for free? Now be honest, would she go there everyday for free? Even better, would she pay to work there? She LOVES it, and I pay for things I like to do, so would she? On the other end of the coin, would she be even happier if she made a million dollars a year? Wouldn't that make the job that much better? I know multiple teachers personally, and none of them are particularly pleased with their salary, among other things about their job(daycare service, discipline). I asked them if they made a fortune doing it, would they care as much about those issues...what do you think they said?
If I paid you a million dollars a day to literally shovel crap, would you do it? A million dollars, per day. Of course you would. While the job might literally be crappy, the pay would be so good that you would enjoy having that job. The fact is, most jobs do suck, but most people don't live to work, they work to live. They make enough that they can see the world, try new things, relax. Some of these people even enjoy their jobs too, and its because they sat down and researched a career path they wanted to pursue. They didnt plot their life out over a haircut and burger. Marten will never get to do certain things with his life because he can't afford to. If his guitar broke tomorrow could he even afford a new one? While you could argue that Marten doesn't care about things like money, the life he's leading currently hasn't made him the happiest person. Money is important, whether people want to admit it or not. It's not everything, and it can't buy happiness, but it can help.
As I've said before, if I thought Marten was truly passionate about music I'd support this more, but to me it just seemed like the quick solution. If they had a strip where Marten went over different career paths, really sat down and thought everything through, his decision wouldn't be so sketchy.
Money doesn't buy you happiness. You can have all the money in the WORLD and still be miserable. Would my sister be happier if she got paid more for teaching, sure, but I can bet you anything she wouldn't quit teaching to go shovel crap just because it paid more money. And as for myself, neither would I. I'm studying to be a chef. They don't necessarily make a lot of money, unless they cook at a super famous five star restaurant. Being in a kitchen cooking for people, can be stressful as hell. Hell, just dealing with people on a day to day basis can be stressful. The hours will suck. But there's almost nothing else I'd rather do, except maybe write books, which lets be honest, probably wouldn't pay that well either. But you know what, in spite of the stress that can be involved. Being in a kitchen, cooking, makes me happier than just about anything else. I couldn't give a shit what it's going to pay, because hey, I'm getting PAID to do something I love.
And btw, yea my sister would pay to be a teacher. I mean, when she was a student teacher during college, she was paying to be a teacher.
I just said it doesn't buy happiness. However, it does increase happiness. Yes, I am happier because I can afford to do things.
You wouldn't shovel some crap for a million dollars a day? Just a week of doing that could let you go to the best cooking school, and open your own restaurant anywhere in the world. I understand though, you're trying to win an argument by ignoring the logic that millions of dollars aren't worth having.
Um, I paid for my profession too, but like everyone who does this they expect to be compensated, at the very least enough money to live. Your sister would not bankrupt and starve herself to teach. That was a trick question to see if you'd argue any statement I made to be difficult for the sake of being difficult. Try actually asking her next time, she's not trying to win an argument.
Money is important. I'm sorry, but it is. It's less important to some, more to others, but we live in a world where you have to be making money to survive. As for Marten, he lives in a city, eats and drinks at establishments, etc. Money is important to him. If he was given a million dollars, he would be happy, just like anyone would be.
So... Hot Cross buns, Merrily We Roll Along or Ode to Joy?
I vote Ode to Joy
the former are just for practice
but Ode to Joy is the My First Clarinet Recital staple, man
(as a former 8-year clarinet player this comic really made me smile
WOODIE SOLIDARITY MARTEN *brofist*)
If he was given a million dollars, he would be happy, just like anyone would be.
It showed on your phone? It didn't show on my mine. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what everyone was talking about to start with.
And btw, yea my sister would pay to be a teacher. I mean, when she was a student teacher during college, she was paying to be a teacher.As someone who's starting his final semester of student teaching in a few weeks, I don't think this can be stressed enough.
Money is important. I'm sorry, but it is. It's less important to some, more to others, but we live in a world where you have to be making money to survive. As for Marten, he lives in a city, eats and drinks at establishments, etc. Money is important to him. If he was given a million dollars, he would be happy, just like anyone would be.
Y'know, I could picture Marten as a music teacher. Especially for kids since he's so patient.The forumites support your idea. Teaching privately was ranked the fifth best career alternative for Marten when polled (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26037.msg1011349.html#msg1011349). The sample size for that poll was relatively small, so this was certainly within a margin of error from being a bit higher also.
avoiding thread-quotation as to appease the pwhodges volcano :-D
Y'know, I could picture Marten as a music teacher. Especially for kids since he's so patient.
It seems to me that stoutfiles and musicalsoul are both hoping that the story will validate the way they've chosen to live their respective lives. I suggest you each simply take validation from the joy your monetary and culinary successes bring. You don't need a web comic to tell you that you're doing it right.
You don't need a web comic to tell you that you're doing it right.
I weep crocodile tears at the somber moderator death of what I thought was a clear enough poke & joke :cry: .
And it just makes me sad that you compared me to Nappy McTurtlneck, because, you have me all wrong :-( I'm not like that at all.It was perhaps a bit brutal. My bad. ;)
It's a first piano recital staple as well! I totally played this at my first one.I think mine was Plaisir D'Amour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7pBkJyjy6M) (played way better in the clip that I ever managed).
they wouldn't trade it to "shove crap for a million dollars."Which makes them the opposite of the Black Eyed Peas.
winthey wouldn't trade it to "shove crap for a million dollars."Which makes them the opposite of the Black Eyed Peas.
The first time I played with more people was with my band one year ago. I was nervous as all hell in front of some 200+ people.
The cover we did for Opeth's song "Hope Leaves" turned up really good though!
If I ever learned guitar, bass or drums and performed I'd probably have the same sentiment (I've never had the discipline to learn any instrument except for tenor trombone, even though I'd love to learn any of them)... but I can tell right now if I were ever to perform completely on my own I'd be scared shitless.
clarinet players in the forum represent
Seriously though, I switched to saxophone as soon as I was able. Way easier, way cooler.
Y'know, I could picture Marten as a music teacher. Especially for kids since he's so patient.
The rest of the cast has indeed been somewhat parental toward her.To be fair, her biological parents are....not the most ideal parents. I mean, her father has yet to make a physical appearance in the strip and all we know about him is second-hand or third-hand knowledge from other people. And her mother is....well, "different"...let's leave it at that.
The rest of the cast has indeed been somewhat parental toward her.
The rest of the cast has indeed been somewhat parental toward her.
At the very least, older sibling-al.
For comic #1990... (We have reached the '90s, nothing but Grunge-themed strips for the next nine...)
Didn't laugh once this week and nothing happened to advance the plot. Jeph is asleep at the wheel.
Liefeldian designs. Liefeldian designs, EVERYWHERE!For comic #1990... (We have reached the '90s, nothing but Grunge-themed strips for the next nine...)
omg we have, I didn't even notice
my formative years! (well 1993-1998 really)
I wonder if things are about to get
(http://images.wikia.com/thatguywiththeglasses/images/8/88/90s_kid.jpg)
EXXTREEEEEEEME
Marten getting back into music is extremely important to the plot, I think. He's thinking about his future for the first time in quite awhile, and this is (or at least could be) the first step. Not to mention Hanners beginning to consider playing live, which is also important if Deathmole ever get to that point. Look a little closer, dear.
As for you not laughing, that sounds like a personal problem. Leave it out of the forums.
Didn't laugh once this week and nothing happened to advance the plot. Jeph is asleep at the wheel.Well... This isn't like forcing oneself to read Dickens in Eng. Lit. You can always stop punishing yourself.
Yes, your opinion doesn't belong here.Didn't laugh once this week and nothing happened to advance the plot. Jeph is asleep at the wheel.
Marten getting back into music is extremely important to the plot, I think. He's thinking about his future for the first time in quite awhile, and this is (or at least could be) the first step. Not to mention Hanners beginning to consider playing live, which is also important if Deathmole ever get to that point. Look a little closer, dear.
As for you not laughing, that sounds like a personal problem. Leave it out of the forums.
*makes the sign of the cross and hisses* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI wonder if things are about to getLiefeldian designs. Liefeldian designs, EVERYWHERE!
http://images.wikia.com/thatguywiththeglasses/images/8/88/90s_kid.jpg
EXXTREEEEEEEME
Yes, your opinion doesn't belong here.Didn't laugh once this week and nothing happened to advance the plot. Jeph is asleep at the wheel.
Marten getting back into music is extremely important to the plot, I think. He's thinking about his future for the first time in quite awhile, and this is (or at least could be) the first step. Not to mention Hanners beginning to consider playing live, which is also important if Deathmole ever get to that point. Look a little closer, dear.
As for you not laughing, that sounds like a personal problem. Leave it out of the forums.
Er...
My work here is done. :evil:*makes the sign of the cross and hisses* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI wonder if things are about to getLiefeldian designs. Liefeldian designs, EVERYWHERE!
http://images.wikia.com/thatguywiththeglasses/images/8/88/90s_kid.jpg
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that man gives me hives, I've seen too much of him on Tumblr lately
(he's got a new series with Robert Kirkman even
for god's sake why do they keep letting him destroy the comic medium why)
They also might be aiming themselves at the wrong style of music, starting with the band's name. How much metal or metal influence are they trying to pack into their sound?Do we even know if they're still calling themselves Deathmole? That name only became official due to a threatened sex life.
Some bands do amazingly well as three-piece (less than that just isn't sufficient, White Stripes notwithstanding). Deathmole is still missing elements. They need a poetry/lyric writing lead guitarist and/or singer, which some solid (but perhaps not spectacular) musical chops. They haven't put their finger on that lack, beyond "we ought to replace what's-her-name one of these days". They haven't found anyone in their current circle of acquaintances, but don't appear to have been looking all that hard.
You don't "need" lyrics for great music, Shremedy.Granted - but you need lyrics to play music professionally before an audience. Unless you're a string quartet, chamber orchestra, or jazz ensemble. Which they ain't.
You don't "need" lyrics for great music, Shremedy.Granted - but you need lyrics to play music professionally before an audience. Unless you're a string quartet, chamber orchestra, or jazz ensemble. Which they ain't.
WhooshNice picture of a string quartet.
Really? Hhm. I assumed a string quartet implied only four strings, not three + drums.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u60/daschakal/00/explosions-in-the-sky.jpg
No, you don't.
I mean, you're ignoring a lot of music out there.
And I don't think they would be aiming at whatever kind of market-segment he had in mind.
I'm saying that if they want to play at bars or other cool, popular (and most importantly, moneymaking, the whole point of being a "pro") venuesBecause there's nothing cool about venues where non-vocal music is played? And nobody makes a living in those styles? If you're not meaning to be dismissive of every style of professional music other than band-with-vocalist, you're maybe not getting that point across. :-)
I'm saying that if they want to play at bars or other cool, popular (and most importantly, moneymaking, the whole point of being a "pro") venues -- they need a lyricist and/or a lead singer.