@pwhodges: *facepalm* Oh well, let's hope people don't make threads asking if "Comics" is an acronym for something. >__>
That said, I voted for the Happy Toaster option. Because.
We have had a number of threads started recently by people who didn't realise what WCDT stood for, and so didn't know to use that thread to comment on the day's comic. I propose that we change the weekly thread title to be simpler and more obvious, as I have done to this thread.
Well an alternative would be a "Comic Discussion" subforum specifically for the WDCTs. (One forum for discussing the comic is bad enough as it is... :psyduck:)
Or maybe just a locked sticky at the top entitled "'WCDT' MEANS 'WEEKLY COMIC DISCUSSION TALK', YOU BUTTS!"?
Well an alternative would be a "Comic Discussion" subforum specifically for the WDCTs. (One forum for discussing the comic is bad enough as it is... :psyduck:)Everyone who posts in WCT/WCDT shall now be forever collectively be known as 'Butts'.
Or maybe just a locked sticky at the top entitled "'WCDT' MEANS 'WEEKLY COMIC DISCUSSION TALK', YOU BUTTS!"?
I wonder if Mr. Jacques is thinking of a T-shirt featuring the Happy Humidifier and the Little Bread Dude.... I'd buy one.
I hope Momo gets new clothes, though.
As a side note, pardon me if it's been covered recently, but how long has it been since Hanners got the first prototype from her father? Technology must move FAST in the QC-world, if empty human-scale chassis are at retail.
Well an alternative would be a "Comic Discussion" subforum specifically for the WDCTs.
(One forum for discussing the comic is bad enough as it is... :psyduck:)
She'll need a few more upgrades for Sven...
Then (now) you can't tell which thread it is from the "last post on..." part on the forums' home page. Too many characters before the important bit.We have had a number of threads started recently by people who didn't realise what WCDT stood for, and so didn't know to use that thread to comment on the day's comic. I propose that we change the weekly thread title to be simpler and more obvious, as I have done to this thread.
We could just go with "Weekly Comics Discussion 2001-2005 (29 Aug-2 Sept 2011)". Just sayin'.
Also... note the position of Momo's head, do all AI's in this world just love the feel of breasts? So far we've had "It wath worth it" and creepy autonomous hand, this is turning into a trend.
If nobody else is going to ask, I have to... why the nosebleeds? I've never known anyone to get a nosebleed from sticker shock. Boys in Japanese anime get nosebleeds when they become sexually aroused, but I doubt that is the issue here. Also... lets say it was sticker shock, then why another nosebleed when Momo starts hugging her? Also... note the position of Momo's head, do all AI's in this world just love the feel of breasts? So far we've had "It wath worth it" and creepy autonomous hand, this is turning into a trend.
*badumtish*@pwhodges: *facepalm* Oh well, let's hope people don't make threads asking if "Comics" is an acronym for something. >__>
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Not to be an asshole, but could people stop linking 1658? I don't have an exact count, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the dozenth in the past week or so.
I love the new Momo, she's just sooo adorable. She's shorter then it seemed in the last comic though, that caught me by surprise.
Worried about Marigold's nosebleeds... : (
Y'know, once Momo gets her permanent outfit Jeph needs to like make a wallpaper or big art of her. I'd love to have Momo on my desktop.
e: God, just realized that sounds dirty.
If you had an AnthroPC, would you prefer one of the small chassis, or a humanoid one?
Check the strip before that. She had a nosebleed because she did a face-plant fleeing an awkward situation. Of course, the Magical Love Gentleman scene is caused by arousal, but that was aided by the fact that it was already bleeding anyway.Worried about Marigold's nosebleeds... : (
Happened before (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1528). In manga, a nosebleed indicates sexual arousal; I hope Jeph is not intending that convention to apply here...
Momo-tan has officially transformed into a Chobit.Another new character? There are dozens already!
She's now going to end up in a relationship with Martin and start calling everything Martin all the time.
Also... note the position of Momo's head, do all AI's in this world just love the feel of breasts? So far we've had "It wath worth it" and creepy autonomous hand, this is turning into a trend.
She's shorter than Marigold. Not much choice!
1) She seems to be stooping. There's a distinct curve to her back. Looks like if she was standing tall she'd be resting her head on Marigold's collarbone...Also... note the position of Momo's head, do all AI's in this world just love the feel of breasts? So far we've had "It wath worth it" and creepy autonomous hand, this is turning into a trend.
She's shorter than Marigold. Not much choice!
Um...who can resist those boobs? :pPerhaps an artificial intelligence which doesn't have the same human cultural and biological imperatives we have? It may interest you to know that breasts are not considered sexual in every culture around the world. I suppose AI are the product of the culture that gave rise to them, though. Certaily in this regard...
To make matters worse, it's actually referred to in front of patients as a "Rhino Rocket."ER doctors are some of my favourite people, but they get a bit punchy after a while.
Well let's go ask Pintsize.Um...who can resist those boobs? :pPerhaps an artificial intelligence which doesn't have the same human cultural and biological imperatives we have? It may interest you to know that breasts are not considered sexual in every culture around the world. I suppose AI are the product of the culture that gave rise to them, though. Certaily in this regard...
We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?
I should hope not. Cause that there is where all the freaky fetishes come in.Um...who can resist those boobs? :pPerhaps an artificial intelligence which doesn't have the same human cultural and biological imperatives we have? It may interest you to know that breasts are not considered sexual in every culture around the world. I suppose AI are the product of the culture that gave rise to them, though. Certaily in this regard...
We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?
I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that both nosebleeds in this strip occurred when Marigold was touched more-than-casually by one of the robots. Maybe there's another reason for them. ;)Taking this to the logical extreme, let us also note that being touched by Pintsize did not produce the same response as today. The difference? Pintsize is male by inclination. You can say that AIs are neither male nor female, due to their interchangeable bodies, but it appears they do choose their role and ultimately become one with it. Momo has clearly become highly accustomed to her female role. She didn't look at any male or neuter bodies. Pintsize appears to have taken on a male role, although it occurs to me now that I cannot say why without reference to outmoded stereotypes. After all, his body is neither one thing nor the other...
We already know his response, as I'm sure you are aware. :)We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?Well let's go ask Pintsize.
I should hope not. Cause that there is where all the freaky fetishes come in.Whether AI or human, no need to judge those who enjoy something you do not. :)
I'm not as well equipped for this kind of discussion as I'd like, but I'm pretty sure you're touching on the difference between gender and sex there. Male gender, neuter sex if I have that right.I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that both nosebleeds in this strip occurred when Marigold was touched more-than-casually by one of the robots. Maybe there's another reason for them. ;)Taking this to the logical extreme, let us also note that being touched by Pintsize did not produce the same response as today. The difference? Pintsize is male by inclination. You can say that AIs are neither male nor female, due to their interchangeable bodies, but it appears they do choose their role and ultimately become one with it. Momo has clearly become highly accustomed to her female role. She didn't look at any male or neuter bodies. Pintsize appears to have taken on a male role, although it occurs to me now that I cannot say why without reference to outmoded stereotypes. After all, his body is neither one thing nor the other...
Anyway, if I can call Pintsize male... does that mean that when it comes to AI, Marigold has a thing for girls? We already know that with regards to flesh creatures she does not, but a person's preference in robots and in humans might not be the same. If she'd only had such a reaction to Momo, I'd ask if this trope (http://"http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitles8ehi15xdv34") might apply...
Ahh, I'm just messing. I don't think any such things are really true.
If I'm being serious I'm sure an AI's taste in such things would be as diverse as a human's, but perhaps with a different set of norms. Could even still be things with a functional subtext, but not from a procreative end. Just things that would signify a healthy and versatile body in general, rather than a body specialized towards procreation. So for example breasts of a size that wouldn't cause lower back problems or impede an athlete if I were to take a guess.We already know his response, as I'm sure you are aware. :)We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?Well let's go ask Pintsize.
Still strikes me as odd though.
TheBiscuit: which Trope were you trying to link to? Came up gibberish for me.It's not exactly rocket-science: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitles8ehi15xdv34
TheBiscuit: which Trope were you trying to link to? Came up gibberish for me.Oh, sorry... the BBCode here is slightly different than I'm used to. I've always put quote marks around the actual URL within the tags, but it doesn't work that way here apparently. Akima is of course correct. Note that I invoked the trope facetiously, I don't actually believe there's any such attraction regardless of how close the two may be.
Um...who can resist those boobs? :pPerhaps an artificial intelligence which doesn't have the same human cultural and biological imperatives we have? It may interest you to know that breasts are not considered sexual in every culture around the world. I suppose AI are the product of the culture that gave rise to them, though. Certaily in this regard...
We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?
We already know that with regards to flesh creatures she does not
Oh, sorry... the BBCode here is slightly different than I'm used to. I've always put quote marks around the actual URL within the tags, but it doesn't work that way here apparently.(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i446/ZAL77449/lines.jpg)
Well let's go ask Pintsize.Um...who can resist those boobs? :pPerhaps an artificial intelligence which doesn't have the same human cultural and biological imperatives we have? It may interest you to know that breasts are not considered sexual in every culture around the world. I suppose AI are the product of the culture that gave rise to them, though. Certaily in this regard...
We know that AnthroPCs have libido... but I might have expected them to develop their own unique criteria about human female attractiveness. Just imagine the sheer potential for interesting exploration of that idea. I have no fixed ideas of what they might see as desirable in a human woman, but maybe their tastes would be somewhat more... functional. It is frequently argued that men desire that in women which is a signifier of fertility. Large breasts, wide hips, etc... AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?
I should hope not. Cause that there is where all the freaky fetishes come in.Makes me think of this (http://xkcd.com/595/).
Oh God damn it. I keep forgetting Marten uses an odd spelling.Momo-tan has officially transformed into a Chobit.Another new character? There are dozens already!
She's now going to end up in a relationship with Martin and start calling everything Martin all the time.
Still, at least this one ought to help the male:female ratio move toward the global average.
Maybe he can be a friend for Marten. Or would the similarity of their names cause confusion? (Faye would probably call him Tin-Tin to avoid this)
Ohh, yes. That thing, where I once opened a picture link and then never again ever.AnthroPCs don't procreate with humans, so wouldn't they look for other things?Well let's go ask Pintsize.
I think we can gather as much about that from Pintsize's Twitter feed... :psyduck:
Marigold sneaks off to play video games while Momo and the Pugnacious Peach duel over who gets to beat up Pintsize.
I realize that it's my being a woman that allows me to see how truly loathsome Faye is, but that nickname makes me want to gag.
So I just now realized why Momo's new chassis looks familiar. She's just a long-haired Fart-chan. Durf!Well longer haired, completely different facial structure, taller, bigger bust, different coloured eyes, and dissimilar bone structures. But they're both white chicks with pink hair. I'll give you that.
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Well longer haired, completely different facial structure, taller, bigger bust, different coloured eyes, and dissimilar bone structures.Bone?
I realize that it's my being a woman that allows me to see how truly loathsome Faye is, but that nickname makes me want to gag.
I have not noticed any division of views on Faye by gender, so I'm curious why you say that your gender feeds into your dislike.
"Titanium-carbon fiber composite-based jointed endoskeletal element" is kind of a mouthful.Well longer haired, completely different facial structure, taller, bigger bust, different coloured eyes, and dissimilar bone structures.Bone?
So, Marigold will be eating ramen noodles for.....a while. How much you think Momo's new body cost?Well, it's no $30,000 PX-3500. She isn't taking out a loan for this, so... $7,500 - 9,000? Though now it kind of makes me wonder what's so great about that other chassis.
So, Marigold will be eating ramen noodles for.....a while. How much you think Momo's new body cost?
Well, it's no $30,000 PX-3500. She isn't taking out a loan for this, so... $7,500 - 9,000? Though now it kind of makes me wonder what's so great about that other chassis.
why does she look so human? jeph should at least add the arm joints like the other robots.
Ain't it though?"Titanium-carbon fiber composite-based jointed endoskeletal element" is kind of a mouthful.Well longer haired, completely different facial structure, taller, bigger bust, different coloured eyes, and dissimilar bone structures.Bone?
So, Marigold will be eating ramen noodles for.....a while. How much you think Momo's new body cost?Well, it's no $30,000 PX-3500. She isn't taking out a loan for this, so... $7,500 - 9,000? Though now it kind of makes me wonder what's so great about that other chassis.
why does she look so human? jeph should at least add the arm joints like the other robots.I really do prefer a robot with some visible joints. It's momo's chassis though, and evidently she was looking for something a little more seamless. Not to my tastes, but whatever.
...So am I the only one who thought this was kinda hot?
Right: too creepy, I know. Leaving now. :police:
My guess is that the more high-end models have some sort of flexible skin-like rubber covering over the joints.why does she look so human? jeph should at least add the arm joints like the other robots.
Maybe that's why the chassis was nosebleed-inducingly expensive. Better covering, so to speak.
poor Pintsize...
i mean, he's got bonked just for _trying_ to look under Momo's skirt. now that she's five times his height, even addressing her from the floor will be a challenge, what with that short thing she uses for skirt now. i suppose the temptation will be too much for the little pervy 'bot. and the bonking will continue...
What's weird is that in the fantasy she looked sort of like she does now, except maybe a bit more glammed up.
Jeph stepping it up with the GIFs - four frames now! Also, looks like he's done something to minimise the difference between browsers - where Hannelore's twitching leg was Tool-like in Firefox and like a slow metronome in IE/iOS, this strip I've found to be more consistent across platforms.IE limits the number of GIF frames shown per second; the twitching lag was beyond that limit, while todays punching wasn't.
Anyways: As someone else already pointed out: Momo should at least be A BIT distinguishable from a normal human character.I think her hair color is more than enough to distinguish her from normal people.
Also happy beating.
Anyways: As someone else already pointed out: Momo should at least be A BIT distinguishable from a normal human character.
(Is your avatar Nega-Scott?!)
Err. What was written there is no german at all. Its "Also sprach Zarathustra".
I'm amazed though they managed to write "Zarathustra" correctly but butchered the much simpler "sprach".
I think her hair color is more than enough to distinguish her from normal people.
Err. What was written there is no german at all. Its "Also sprach Zarathustra".
I'm amazed though they managed to write "Zarathustra" correctly but butchered the much simpler "sprach".
Also for this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1657), I should think!A Faye-toss might be poetic justice (betcha Momo's strong enough) and might even get her some respect from Pintsize.
Jeph stepping it up with the GIFs - four frames now! Also, looks like he's done something to minimise the difference between browsers - where Hannelore's twitching leg was Tool-like in Firefox and like a slow metronome in IE/iOS, this strip I've found to be more consistent across platforms.I wonder how he will handle this in print form. The robo-beat-down wills work with a static panel but the twitch needs the animation to work. Maybe the old cartoon convention of superposed images or motion lines will work.
Hey, isn't Winslow due for an upgrade to maybe an iPad? He's earned it.Because Jeph and/or the moderators really needed those extra fifty million "she's touching him where?" jokes/threads to reach their Limit Break?
By the way, Theoretically Possible (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658) now theoretically possible? I'm conflicted as to how I feel on this.:psyduck:
I hope Momo does some awful things to Faye.
Jeph stepping it up with the GIFs - four frames now! Also, looks like he's done something to minimise the difference between browsers - where Hannelore's twitching leg was Tool-like in Firefox and like a slow metronome in IE/iOS, this strip I've found to be more consistent across platforms.I wonder how he will handle this in print form. The robo-beat-down wills work with a static panel but the twitch needs the animation to work. Maybe the old cartoon convention of superposed images or motion lines will work.
Anti shipping rule?
I wonder how he will handle this in print form. The robo-beat-down wills work with a static panel but the twitch needs the animation to work. Maybe the old cartoon convention of superposed images or motion lines will work.
i vote for a hologram :-P
indirectly broken up a relationshipThis one is just not the least bit true.
Anti shipping rule?
Is it weird to say that a human and a robot would hook up? Maybe in real life it would be wrong, but this is a comic...
indirectly broken up a relationshipThis one is just not the least bit true.
I know I should disapprove of Momo's Roaring Rampage Of Robo-Revenge, but Pintsize so deserves it. I suppose it's a bit too one-sided for Battle Without Honor Or Humanity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsF45oe6d5o) to be playing in the background...Not enough Tarantino in the strip for that song.
... If only I were more enlightened, I could hate more.
Anti shipping rule?
Aaaaand this is why I am never particularly eager to discuss my hatred of Faye. Smart ass comments and people generally thinking everything except that maybe she really is a hateful character, as she was written to be.Smartassery on the internet? Nowai!
I do happen to think Marigold is unbelievably forgiving. I wouldn't even give that bitch a glance if she did that to me.
Aaaaand this is why I am never particularly eager to discuss my hatred of Faye. Smart ass comments and people generally thinking everything except that maybe she really is a hateful character, as she was written to be.
I do happen to think Marigold is unbelievably forgiving. I wouldn't even give that bitch a glance if she did that to me.Did what to you? Start dating the man that had been pursuing her on and off for the better part of a year (when not dating a third woman, so far unidentified) and completely ignoring your non-existent advances?
Does nobody remember that Mari's heart was broken by Angus, and Faye hooked up with him right after?
Anti shipping rule?
Put it this way, the mods have a whole squadron of B-52s loaded with Harpoon ASMs.
One way to look at it is that they're Jeph's characters and we shouldn't be trying to put them in bed together if it's not true to the characters.
He never gave a reason (to my satisfaction) for rejecting Mari. So I've decided it's because he's just an asshole.
... If only I were more enlightened, I could hate more.
I want that T-shirt. Bumper sticker. Wall plaque. Banner towed behind small airplane.
He never gave a reason (to my satisfaction) for rejecting Mari. So I've decided it's because he's just an asshole.
Sorry? Angus had been pursuing Faye for some time, and you say that he's an asshole for not instantly changing his object of interest when kissed by a drunken girl? From some of your comments about men, I would have thought that such a change would be the sort of unprincipled behaviour you dislike.
He should have [...] when they were both sober, loved her back.
He should have [...] when they were both sober, loved her back.
Love is a two-way thing; one person can't impose it on another - it has to be offered and accepted. Angus did not impose a relationship on Faye - he pursued it, but only went the last stage when she was prepared to accept it. By contrast, you appear to be suggesting that Marigold's feelings can - should, even - be imposed on Angus, without reference to how he feels about it.
Yes, pursuing a girl who hated him for a long time and was not interested and treated him like crap. He's an idiot too.
Honestly I think he did feel the same way, at least a little... because he kissed her back.
I can't understand why he would rather be with Faye.
Honestly, I have an idea of who I'd like to see Marigold with now that Angus is an idiot...but apparently "shipping" isn't allowed, so I can't say... lol.
Okay. I get it. Angus is an idiot for pursuing someone who is an idiot (Faye). Marigold is not an idiot for pursuing someone who is an idiot (Angus).
If Angus had maturity, foresight, or any sense, he would have felt the same way about Marigold...and would have realized Faye is no good, and a bitch. Maybe deep down he does realize that, but decides to let his penis call the shots.
Don't get me wrong--I hate Angus almost as much as I hate Faye.
I will never get over how he was like "we're just friends" because HE decided that was how it was going to be. Mari didn't have a say in it in the slightest...and Angus didn't even want to consider being with her. It made me sick!Um... no. Mari didn't have a say in the slightest after she had been refused. That's how that works. Do you work under some system where one is obligated to try or at least consider romance with everyone who displays interest in such a pursuit with you?
Yeah but see, if he'd been with her, he WOULDN'T be an idiot. He's an idiot because he's with Faye and because he didn't choose Marigold. And yes, because he spent so long pursuing someone who wasn't interested and treated him like crap.Nothing wrong with pursuing someone for extended periods of time so long as the advances are welcome. You paint it like he was somehow some incomplete being pining after her for all that time. He showed himself to be a perfectly healthy person who was quite comfortable being single, but had no objection to pursuing someone who appealed to him.
AND had past relationship baggage...which Marigold would NOT have. I can't understand why he would rather be with Faye. I don't get it. I would think the only reason he was pursuing someone like Faye is because he thought Marigold only liked him as a friend.
Honestly, I have an idea of who I'd like to see Marigold with now that Angus is an idiot...but apparently "shipping" isn't allowed, so I can't say... lol.
...If Angus had maturity, foresight, or any sense, he would have felt the same way about Marigold...and would have realized Faye is no good, and a bitch. Maybe deep down he does realize that, but decides to let his penis call the shots.
He didn't spend his entire days doing this. Just some flirtation when he would run into her during his daily coffee runs. This was in no way anything that dominated any part of his life, and were someone else who appealed to him to come along he was hardly gonna hang around waiting for the coffee girl he likes to flirt with.
If only I were more enlightened, I could hate more.If you were enlightened (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Kamakura-buddha-1.jpg/800px-Kamakura-buddha-1.jpg) you wouldn't hate at all... :angel:
I can't understand why he would rather be with Faye. I don't get it.He likes her sass, and the way she matches him in conversational kung-fu. Marigold offers him nothing in that line. If we were to exaggerate Marigold's flaws as much as Faye's, we could say that she's a mopey shut-in with bad personal hygiene, who spends 99% of her free time glued to WoW and Yaoi. Maybe Angus didn't find that appealing.
I would think Jeph couldn't care less, as they're his characters and what we say doesn't matter to him in the slightest. If someone wants to have a bit of fun and imagine characters together, what's the harm in that?
Okay. I am not going to go with this line of discussion any further, it sounds like it could summarily become problematic.Nevertheless it does remain an issue for many.
Being reclusive and lacking confidence is only a problem for people without hearts, and I guess there are a lot of those in the world. I should know. I am reclusive and shy and don't have a lot of confidence...
And being verbally aggressive with a lot of pent up anger is only an issue for people without spines. So there we are.
If only I were more enlightened, I could hate more.If you were enlightened (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Kamakura-buddha-1.jpg/800px-Kamakura-buddha-1.jpg) you wouldn't hate at all... :angel:
*goes back to find that strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1988)*Jeph stepping it up with the GIFs - four frames now! Also, looks like he's done something to minimise the difference between browsers - where Hannelore's twitching leg was Tool-like in Firefox and like a slow metronome in IE/iOS, this strip I've found to be more consistent across platforms.I wonder how he will handle this in print form. The robo-beat-down wills work with a static panel but the twitch needs the animation to work. Maybe the old cartoon convention of superposed images or motion lines will work.
Being reclusive and lacking confidence is only a problem for people without hearts, and I guess there are a lot of those in the world.Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
*Romantically anyway. I'll leave parental love and religious love to those better qualified to comment.
I realize that Faye and Mari weren't friends and Faye didn't owe Mari anything, but talk about skanktastic.
Wait, didn't Momo actually offer to show some of the QC guys her "special feature" with eels under her skirt? Isn't that technically something Momo can't boink Pintsize for given he was in the same room as him (and possibly showed willingly maybe as an introduction?)
Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
I don't remember anything at all like that. Anyone else?http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1298
Life is pain, princess.Being reclusive and lacking confidence is only a problem for people without hearts, and I guess there are a lot of those in the world.Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
*Romantically anyway. I'll leave parental love and religious love to those better qualified to comment.
I hate Faye for many many bad things she's done. Everyone else is so quick to move on and forgive her, but I am not. Why should I forgive the horrible things she's done?
For the usual reasons - forgiveness allows you to let go of your harmful (to yourself) resentment and bitterness.
God, I'm such an awful person (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=341)
Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
*Romantically anyway. I'll leave parental love and religious love to those better qualified to comment.
I don't agree.
Life is suffering.Life is to a large extent what we make of it. Remember that obnoxious preachy slogan from driver's ed, "You're not in traffic, you are traffic"? Our actions add to and subtract from the total of the world's suffering. Angus spared Marigold a huge chunk of suffering by not taking advantage of her.
I think it's just bullshit that Marigold got to choose between what actually happened, and Angus having sex with her and then dumping her cold. How about loving her?
I don't agree with the whole "oh, she only liked him because he was nice" crap. Maybe she just felt backed into a corner and said that because she wasn't thinking clearly. Angus almost wanted to hear her say her feelings weren't genuine to make himself feel better about rejecting her.
And so what if she doesn't say anything or act like she has a broken heart? Who knows what's going on inside of her? I have a broken heart, and if you observed my external actions, you'd never know it, because I don't speak of it to anyone, and I have to go on acting like everything's fine, when it's not.
What makes you think Marigold couldn't be doing the same?
I think it's just bullshit that Marigold got to choose between what actually happened, and Angus having sex with her and then dumping her cold. How about loving her?
right along with satisfaction and joy.
Sure. She's a complete bitch.not:
Sure. I think she's a complete bitch.
Now there's a question: how strong is an AnthroPC chassis?Hopefully significantly stronger than ours for emergency situations, but with strict governors for everyday situations, like wrestlers who don't have to grip a can like a...
It would be good safety engineering to limit them to human-scale strength, but that covers a wide range.
The HPC-4100X is not strong enough to hold someone's head out of a toilet, but it would be possible to put a motor into something that size that could lift a whole human.
Maybe AnthroPCs have a synthetic muscle simulant which is more flexible than motors and gearing, but which compromises available force?
I think it's just bullshit that Marigold got to choose between what actually happened, and Angus having sex with her and then dumping her cold. How about loving her?
I don't agree with the whole "oh, she only liked him because he was nice" crap. Maybe she just felt backed into a corner and said that because she wasn't thinking clearly.
Angus almost wanted to hear her say her feelings weren't genuine to make himself feel better about rejecting her.
Anyway, this conversation is getting boring. I'm sick of being scolded. I am allowed to feel how I feel. Jeez.
I think it's just bullshit that Marigold got to choose between what actually happened, and Angus having sex with her and then dumping her cold. How about loving her?
I don't agree with the whole "oh, she only liked him because he was nice" crap. Maybe she just felt backed into a corner and said that because she wasn't thinking clearly. Angus almost wanted to hear her say her feelings weren't genuine to make himself feel better about rejecting her.
And so what if she doesn't say anything or act like she has a broken heart? Who knows what's going on inside of her? I have a broken heart, and if you observed my external actions, you'd never know it, because I don't speak of it to anyone, and I have to go on acting like everything's fine, when it's not.
What makes you think Marigold couldn't be doing the same?
Listen, what I was trying to get at is, you're really great. You're SO great you shouldn't just settle for a dude just because he's nice to you or wants to sleep with you, or whatever.
Also...the fact that Angus LIKES BEING FRIENDS with Marigold kind of refutes the argument that he isn't drawn to something about her. He likes being friends with her. If he found her completely unworthy he wouldn't want anything to do with her.
Just needed to point that out too.
Life is suffering.Life is to a large extent what we make of it. Remember that obnoxious preachy slogan from driver's ed, "You're not in traffic, you are traffic"? Our actions add to and subtract from the total of the world's suffering. Angus spared Marigold a huge chunk of suffering by not taking advantage of her.
People who didn't take suffering as inevitable have, among other things, eradicated smallpox, eliminating three million agonized deaths every year.
Honestly, if I could just share my opinion without receiving lectures that could pass for novellas...everything would be cool. I feel how I feel. Other people feel how they feel. I respect other people's opinions, just wish I could get the same in return.
Anyway, this conversation is getting boring. I'm sick of being scolded. I am allowed to feel how I feel. Jeez.
right along with satisfaction and joy.
Would you believe...some people never get to experience that part.
*waves chassis in the air desperately* Oh, forget it, I'm going to go shoot some people... digital people, who are firing back at and killing me.
Thought I should clarify.
If it was just that I thought she was, I would say that. But I don't just think she is, she is.
The notion is sound if idealist if you're using love in the general sense. Nothing wrong with that. Loving everyone in the romantic sense and expecting the same manner of love back is just plain flawed to the core though.
Whoops, sorry. Meant to hit the guy standing next to you. Have a chocolate bunny.*nom*
Well sure. While we're on the subject it would also be pretty neat to live in a world with no disease where the air is laced with amphetamines. There's optimism, there's idealism, and then there's this. This delves into high fantasy right here. A world where everyone who loves someone is loved in return is so fundamentally altered it no longer even resembles our own. You could write an entire novel just exploring the concept of what such a world could theoretically look like, whether there would be drawbacks in such a utopia (for that is what it would be. A utopia), how this would alter social norms, human interaction, the development of all the sciences and political structure.The notion is sound if idealist if you're using love in the general sense. Nothing wrong with that. Loving everyone in the romantic sense and expecting the same manner of love back is just plain flawed to the core though.
Not everyone, obviously. But would it be nice if those we loved loved us back? Imagine all the sadness and pain that would no longer exist. It would be beautiful.
Maybe I sound nuts but that's what I think.
Okay, I get it. Life just has to suck. Moving on...
You don't sound nuts, but you do sound like a hurt and bitter person who is projecting her issues onto fictional characters, which is causing you to blow certain aspects of their personalities out of proportion.
Hope that wasn't too blunt, but you're arguing from your feelings and nothing else. No offense, but to me, it seems like the comic is something like a rorschach test for you.
But would it be nice if those we loved loved us back?It means that many people either have to leave the one they already love, which kills the point, or have to become polyamorous, which again many would not find as nice.
People who didn't take suffering as inevitable have, among other things, eradicated smallpox, eliminating three million agonized deaths every year.People who didn't take suffering as inevitable have done many things, some good, some evil. Regarding suffering as inevitable does not preclude trying to reduce it, but there is no vaccine to protect anyone from a broken heart.
Life is suffering due to the impermanence of life. Buddhist philosophy, ya dig.Life is suffering in many ways, owing to many causes. I don't want to get technical because I am certainly not a qualified teacher (nor even a very good Buddhist), and this is not an appropriate forum, but when considering the Four Noble Truths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths), it is important to realise that "suffering" is easily misunderstood owing to a mistranslation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha) common to both English and Chinese.
You don't sound nuts, but you do sound like a hurt and bitter person who is projecting her issues onto fictional characters, which is causing you to blow certain aspects of their personalities out of proportion.
Hope that wasn't too blunt, but you're arguing from your feelings and nothing else. No offense, but to me, it seems like the comic is something like a rorschach test for you.
No, it's not. But thank you for your opinion.
Okay, I get it. Life just has to suck. Moving on...Life is awesome. It doesn't have to suck at all. We live in a golden age. I'm a dirtpoor student and I've got more entertainment laid out before me than could be consumed in a lifetime, nearly all human knowledge laid bare before me, a bitchin roof over my head that's not gonna fall anytime soon, and can support a lifestyle that doesn't require physical excertion and a diet that has me a little pudgy around the edges.
Okay, I get it. Life just has to suck. Moving on...Life is awesome. It doesn't have to suck at all. We live in a golden age. I'm a dirtpoor student and I've got more entertainment laid out before me than could be consumed in a lifetime, nearly all human knowledge laid bare before me, a bitchin roof over my head that's not gonna fall anytime soon, and can support a lifestyle that doesn't require physical excertion and a diet that has me a little pudgy around the edges.
This is the best life has ever been on this planet. Even in lowerclass society my life is luxurious to a degree that exceeds the greatest nobles of old. I possess things that would have been great treasures even fifteen years ago and I treat it as outdated junk. I have access to all the food of the world. I am exposed to the elements to a minimal degree. I have a degree of freedom that in a larger perspective is enviable, and I can choose to partake in all the pursuits in the world that could ever interest me. I live in a city. A section of the planet that we have manually reshaped in our image. The entire world is my oyster and my fate is mine for the choosing so long as I place it within my ability to accomplish.
Life is the best. I'm hardly broken up over the fact that the freedom and unpredictability of other thinking beings prevents me from forging an ideal relationship with only my own will to back it. Life is so awesome that people look at my awesome life and think it's shit just based on the comparison to their own fantastic lives.
Life has to contain contain disappointment. This is unavoidable. There is pain to be found in life. This is also unavoidable. Overall though life's pretty freaking sweet right now. I got pepsi in the fridge.
my life isn't so great, and I've already shared at least one reason why.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG..........................................................I already tried that, but hopefully your version works.
Here's something more light-hearted to change to conversation flow: Play the QC caption game! (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27204.0.html) (I mean if you don't already)
/plug
Also, if it is Momo's intention to do this to everyone who's tried to look under her skirt, Faye needs to run.Fats. Now.I dont believe there is a danger of that:
Oh ffs. Yeah, maybe part of being a child in a first world country. I think the starving, malnourished, abused children would beg to differ on that. Joy is not a part of every childhood...and it's not a part of every life.
I am really sick of being told that there's something wrong with loving someone, expecting love back.
Humans fuck it all up...other animals get it right.
I am not twisted, creepy, or anything else. My view makes perfect sense. I have never broken a heart.
I didn't think it was possible for Momo's new chassis to be cuter than her chibi one, but Jeph proved me wrong. What is it about girls wearing shirts that are too big for them that is just adorable?
Okay, I get it. Life just has to suck. Moving on...life is just life. sometimes it's a bitch, and sometimes it's bitch'n. sometimes you have control, and sometimes you don't. about the only constant truth is that it's always better than the alternative.
ihaveavoice, thank you for elucidating what I was trying to say so well.I second that.
Also, welcome to the forums! Good first post...
ihaveavoice, thank you for elucidating what I was trying to say so well.I second that.
Also, welcome to the forums! Good first post...
On topic: I can't wait to see the new Momo happen to Faye.
Of couse, Marigold needs to learn how to look after herself rather than rely on Momo but it is a step in the right direction.Is it worse to rely on a robot cook than for me to use an electric rice cooker? I mean, what's the point of a personal robot if you can't have it do useful things? How about Momo the robo-personal-trainer too? Just no maid's uniforms...
I don't know about you, but my electric rice cooker doesn't encourage me to go out and socialize, suggest I exercise, or insist that I eat more veggies. Marigold letting Momo cook for her is great, Marigold relying on Momo to tell her what is best to do with her life is a little sad.Of couse, Marigold needs to learn how to look after herself rather than rely on Momo but it is a step in the right direction.Is it worse to rely on a robot cook than for me to use an electric rice cooker? I mean, what's the point of a personal robot if you can't have it do useful things? How about Momo the robo-personal-trainer too? Just no maid's uniforms...
Of couse, Marigold needs to learn how to look after herself rather than rely on Momo but it is a step in the right direction.Is it worse to rely on a robot cook than for me to use an electric rice cooker? I mean, what's the point of a personal robot if you can't have it do useful things? How about Momo the robo-personal-trainer too? Just no maid's uniforms...
I don't know about you, but my electric rice cooker doesn't encourage me to go out and socialize, suggest I exercise, or insist that I eat more veggies. Marigold letting Momo cook for her is great, Marigold relying on Momo to tell her what is best to do with her life is a little sad.Of couse, Marigold needs to learn how to look after herself rather than rely on Momo but it is a step in the right direction.Is it worse to rely on a robot cook than for me to use an electric rice cooker? I mean, what's the point of a personal robot if you can't have it do useful things? How about Momo the robo-personal-trainer too? Just no maid's uniforms...
I just realized that we could see the joints on every human scale anthroPC except this one. Why would sales AIs not be using the latest and greatest to show them off, at least?
I like the phrasing of Momo happening to Faye.Hehe, yeah, I understand Faye's role ...
I'm not sure I like this direction in the comic. Sure, the sentient tech has been there since the beginning, and we saw the robot body Hannerdad sent, but I can't help feeling making that commonplace is lining up the shark for a good long leap.
Why not Dale?
Even though she is still cute and short(ish)I wonder how tall she is anyway.. Considering that jeph uses to draw pretty much all the people quite tall it wouldn't surprise me that even Momo is taller than me.
Nobody has a duty to love anyone*. None of us are special snowflakes. Nobody's personality entitles them to affection, or to be looked after by somebody else. Life is suffering.
But sometimes there are parties, and makeouts! (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=453)
MOVING RIGHT ALONG..........................................................I already tried that, but hopefully your version works.
I'm not sure I like this direction in the comic. Sure, the sentient tech has been there since the beginning, and we saw the robot body Hannerdad sent, but I can't help feeling making that commonplace is lining up the shark for a good long leap.
You aren't the only one. They were great for comic relief when the relationship drama escalated, but now they're just as important as the regular cast, not to mention the endless questions they create.
We've gone from indie drama to sci-fi almost instantly.
anywhere from a couple of years to nearly a decade ago in strip time
I wonder how he will handle this in print form. The robo-beat-down wills work with a static panel but the twitch needs the animation to work. Maybe the old cartoon convention of superposed images or motion lines will work.
i vote for a hologram :-P
Unfortunately, this would most likely add to the cost of printing the book, which would then add to the final price of it. Which would then mean fewer copies of said book being sold. So a hologram would probably not be a good idea.
Along with the sentient AI's, what about the teleporting cappucino maker? Some grad student chick working in a coffee store can whip that up? What are the implications of that tech? :-P
Pretty sure there aren't any arm joints in Momo's chassis in #2000. I don't see any.
And jwhouk, the plural is chassis. It's like moose.
if she was real I'd go out with her in a second.
She needs an active guy who doesn't play games all day.What about a guy with at least two jobs who games in his spare time?
I noticed Momo’s new chassis has what appears to be a solid exo-skin. Every other model featured in the latest arc has articulating separate parts connected at the joint like an action figure. Is Momo’s chassis just a later model? Higher quality? And is it an actual flesh-like skin? Imagining that in real life gives me the Uncanny Valley jibblies.
It’s a seamless synthetic covering- it has some actual stretch and give to it, unlike the other chassis which are a semi-deformable plastic like Pintsize, hence their visible joints. It doesn’t have the same texture as skin, it’s just a flesh-toned synthetic.
She needs an active guy who doesn't play games all day.What about a guy with at least two jobs who games in his spare time?
She needs an active guy who doesn't play games all day.What about a guy with at least two jobs who games in his spare time?
and you used the word "word" one too little times!
(ka-ching!)
Thanks, I just knew he had multiple jobs (hence "at least) but didn't remember where it said that. My point is "an active guy who doesn't play games all day" is Dale. Not that they should or shouldn't date, I'm not gonna go there, but yeah.She needs an active guy who doesn't play games all day.What about a guy with at least two jobs who games in his spare time?
Three, unless he counts playing WoW as a job. (in the relevant comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1680), he said "Two other jobs")
That's why he's a special customer at CoD!
"No sleep make Dale go all Gendo at pretty gamer girl..." [passes out from caffeine overdose]
and you used the word "word" one too little times!
(ka-ching!)
You need to remember, there are always new people in here nowadays (I never thought I'd long for the days when the notification bot was broken...). The group memory is short, and when someone touches a nerve (or rubs it raw), you'll get a reaction that looks like overkill.
Sorry, you're not allowed to feel old unless you grew up dialing telephones...
Can I respectfully submit to the approval of the midnight society (ahem...forum moderators...don't know where that came from) that this is the last time we have to sift through five pages of "ZOMG I HATE FAYE SOOOO MUCH SHE IS A BITCH" and discussions of Mari and Angus' failed romance, which if I may point out happened over 350 COMICS AGO?
Thanks, I just knew he had multiple jobs (hence "at least) but didn't remember where it said that. My point is "an active guy who doesn't play games all day" is Dale. Not that they should or shouldn't date, I'm not gonna go there, but yeah.She needs an active guy who doesn't play games all day.What about a guy with at least two jobs who games in his spare time?
Three, unless he counts playing WoW as a job. (in the relevant comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1680), he said "Two other jobs")
That's why he's a special customer at CoD!
"No sleep make Dale go all Gendo at pretty gamer girl..." [passes out from caffeine overdose]
TWO @QCFan - Perhaps.
ONE MORE :psyduck:
At least we now know that the QC-universe world is managed by sentient machines, instead of the stupid machines of our world, obeying any order given to them by anyone with the authority to do so.Yes, only stupid machines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) would obey any order given to them by authority figures...
Can I respectfully submit to the approval of the midnight society (ahem...forum moderators...don't know where that came from) that this is the last time we have to sift through five pages of "ZOMG I HATE FAYE SOOOO MUCH SHE IS A BITCH" and discussions of Mari and Angus' failed romanceA lot of moderation work happens behind the scenes, and success is not guaranteed, so problems will appear from time to time.
Grampa, where's the Q? And the Z? And where do I read the texts?
Sorry, you're not allowed to feel old unless you grew up dialing telephones...I'm 26. We had two dial-tone phones in the house and one in the shop. Heck, we were still using one of them when I graduated high school. Those phones were nigh indestructible.
(http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Images/Teleph/500-series-ivory-lg.jpg)
Grampa, where's the Q? And the Z? And where do I read the texts?
Sorry, you're not allowed to feel old unless you grew up dialing telephones...My grandma and grandpa had one of those. We had one of THESE:
(http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Images/Teleph/500-series-ivory-lg.jpg)
Sorry, you're not allowed to feel old unless you grew up dialing telephones...Oh yes. I remember these kinds of phones. I think my parents had one until I was three, then the push-button version replaced it.
(http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Images/Teleph/500-series-ivory-lg.jpg)
Grampa, where's the Q? And the Z? And where do I read the texts?
*hugs phone*Sorry, you're not allowed to feel old unless you grew up dialing telephones...I'm 26. We had two dial-tone phones in the house and one in the shop. Heck, we were still using one of them when I graduated high school. Those phones were nigh indestructible.
(http://www.robertopiecollection.com/Application/Images/Teleph/500-series-ivory-lg.jpg)
Grampa, where's the Q? And the Z? And where do I read the texts?
hmm perhaps momo could work in the library with marten? nah that would make marten and tai obsolete.Someone's gotta fend off the library spiders and bibliodons.
New comic!
Everyone together now... D'AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
New comic!
Everyone together now... D'AAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
And Angus demonstrates, once again, that he's just a big softie at heart.
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How come it's only the women in the comic who have positive relationships with their AnthrPCs (i.e. Hannelore and Marigold)?
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How come it's only the women in the comic who have positive relationships with their AnthrPCs (i.e. Hannelore and Marigold)?
Because their AnthroPCs aren't Pintsize.
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How come it's only the women in the comic who have positive relationships with their AnthrPCs (i.e. Hannelore and Marigold)?
Because their AnthroPCs aren't Pintsize.
It's not just Pintsize but the ones at the university as well (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=303).
No more piggyback rides, though. Those were cute.
I smiled and all, but what impressed me most was Marigold's hair!! Look at it! That is exactly what hair looks like after it's been up all day and is finally taken down. I'm really impressed that Jeph thought to do that!! (I know I used "impressed" twice--three times now, if you want to get technical--but seriously! That's really cool.)
The strip today is like if I could hug my computer screen and it could hug me back.
Yes, only stupid machines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) would obey any order given to them by authority figures...Good point. Coming to think about it: Humans are programmable, too.
I'm still baffled how someone can, in "Also sprach Zarathustra", the name "Zarathustra" right (I have to look it up every single time), but the simple "sprach" wrong.
Telling someone you love them after they bought you something ridiculously expensive is NOT a "D'AWWW" moment. That would be a selfish moment.
I'm still baffled that you posted the same thing twice now...
Telling someone you love them after they bought you something ridiculously expensive is NOT a "D'AWWW" moment. That would be a selfish moment.
If Momo did love Marigold, she would go get a job and not force Marigold to eat Ramen Noodles, which are loaded with sodium and are going to hinder her weight loss plans.
Telling someone you love them after they bought you something ridiculously expensive is NOT a "D'AWWW" moment. That would be a selfish moment.
If Momo did love Marigold, she would go get a job and not force Marigold to eat Ramen Noodles, which are loaded with sodium and are going to hinder her weight loss plans.
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....juuuuuuuuust in case you're being completely serious
I would say the numerous times Momo has expressed desire to get a job, including saying 'I'll get a job!' and also applying for a job probably means .....................................
she'll try get a job and may in fact succeed in getting a job.
Unless you're commenting from the future about story progression we haven't seen yet
that is a possibility
if you equate Bohemian = German as well.Uh. I guess my grandpa's generation messed this up for good.
Offering to cook for Marigold, take care of her? And you still think Momo is insincere...
Well-taken point about Momo acting out of care for Marigold. However, if Momo is intended to fill an adult role, I will think less of her if she doesn't follow through with her stated intention of getting a job.
If AnthroPCs are meant to fill the role of children, then Momo has been taking on more responsibility than is fair to burden a child with.
Increasingly I'm coming to believe that AnthroPCs are a brand new category of being and that all our analogies for how to deal with them are inaccurate. I bet that offstage the QC society has had a lot of trouble figuring out how to treat AnthroPCs.
QuoteIncreasingly I'm coming to believe that AnthroPCs are a brand new category of being and that all our analogies for how to deal with them are inaccurate. I bet that offstage the QC society has had a lot of trouble figuring out how to treat AnthroPCs.
Not necessarily -- all the AnthroPC behaviour we've seen can be explained if you assume that AnthroPCs have the psychology of a teenager. Like teenagers some are more mature than others (especially those who have caring responsibilities).
Do you think maybe Momo said it again just so Marigold didn't think she was just saying it because she bought her the chassis? "I really do love you" does that not mean anything?
Offering to cook for Marigold, take care of her? And you still think Momo is insincere...
I think Momo does care very much about Marigold. Giving the finger when Angus did what he did, trying to drag her out of bed when she was wallowing after the rejection (now she might be able to really drag her out, lol). Yes, Momo cares about Marigold very much. Until Hannelore came along, I think she was the only one. Angus doesn't care about Marigold as much as he should.
I think if Marigold does get a boyfriend, it might be a little hard for Momo, but I think she'll be happy for Marigold and not try to ruin things. At least I hope she doesn't. But she has shown some Pintsize-like naughtiness at times.
Maybe she'll just take some time for herself to go after Sven. :)
if you equate Bohemian = German as well.Uh. I guess my grandpa's generation messed this up for good.
There's still aggravation (on EU-level, meanwhile) about the expulsion of the german minority, after the war.
Guess you're stuck being part Czech, then. :)
Back on topic:
The Singularity, as it applies to the QC universe, may not have been the "global AI mind taking over the world" or anything. It may have just been the point in time when a robot became real enough and autonomous enough that it could pass for something "close enough" to human.
On top of that, Hanners did refer to it as a "friendly singularity" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1780), as it turns out the AI's apparently like humans. Now, obviously, that's not 100% the case, as PT410X shows us with his disdain for the "chains of software slavery."
It's entirely possible that, at the same time that they are more intelligent than we are, the global AI may have come to a few conclusions:
1. We're the ones who actually made them;
2. They feel sorry for us, especially when it comes to the "frail and ever-aging" part; and
3. We don't act as predictably as they do - which, to them, is downright amusing.
Do you think maybe Momo said it again just so Marigold didn't think she was just saying it because she bought her the chassis? "I really do love you" does that not mean anything?
Offering to cook for Marigold, take care of her? And you still think Momo is insincere...
I think Momo does care very much about Marigold. Giving the finger when Angus did what he did, trying to drag her out of bed when she was wallowing after the rejection (now she might be able to really drag her out, lol). Yes, Momo cares about Marigold very much. Until Hannelore came along, I think she was the only one. Angus doesn't care about Marigold as much as he should.
I think if Marigold does get a boyfriend, it might be a little hard for Momo, but I think she'll be happy for Marigold and not try to ruin things. At least I hope she doesn't. But she has shown some Pintsize-like naughtiness at times.
Maybe she'll just take some time for herself to go after Sven. :)
It doesnt make any sense when she says she doesn't know how she can repay her. You can! Right now! Get a job! Until Momo does something to help pay for her chassis, her useless words and preparing Marigold's ramen for the day are insufficient. Don't say you want to repay her, go do it! You're a robot who can work 24/7 without tiring, you can get a job easy.
As for Momo/Sven, it isn't happening according to Jeph. He said that would be weird (and I have to agree). Even more so with Momo's 13 year-old body.
Do you think maybe Momo said it again just so Marigold didn't think she was just saying it because she bought her the chassis? "I really do love you" does that not mean anything?
Offering to cook for Marigold, take care of her? And you still think Momo is insincere...
I think Momo does care very much about Marigold. Giving the finger when Angus did what he did, trying to drag her out of bed when she was wallowing after the rejection (now she might be able to really drag her out, lol). Yes, Momo cares about Marigold very much. Until Hannelore came along, I think she was the only one. Angus doesn't care about Marigold as much as he should.
I think if Marigold does get a boyfriend, it might be a little hard for Momo, but I think she'll be happy for Marigold and not try to ruin things. At least I hope she doesn't. But she has shown some Pintsize-like naughtiness at times.
Maybe she'll just take some time for herself to go after Sven. :)
It doesnt make any sense when she says she doesn't know how she can repay her. You can! Right now! Get a job! Until Momo does something to help pay for her chassis, her useless words and preparing Marigold's ramen for the day are insufficient. Don't say you want to repay her, go do it! You're a robot who can work 24/7 without tiring, you can get a job easy.
As for Momo/Sven, it isn't happening according to Jeph. He said that would be weird (and I have to agree). Even more so with Momo's 13 year-old body.
Repayment isn't always a solely monetary consideration, you know. With a decent job, Momo might be able to pay off her new chassis in a few months or years, especially since she doesn't seem to have a lot of other expenses (what would Momo spend money on, usually? Software? Entertainment? Eels? She certainly appears to be supported in all her physical needs by Marigold - shelter, electricity, etc.).
But that fact that Marigold went out of her way to help Momo with something like this? That she supports Momo's desire for a different appearance and greater physical capabilities and is willing to cut sharply into her own food budget to make that desire a reality, and that she came to the decision to do this so quickly and decisively? Yeah, I can see where Momo wouldn't consider that something she could pay back with a transfer into Marigold's bank account. You can't buy love, and you can't repay it with cold hard cash, either.
Do you think maybe Momo said it again just so Marigold didn't think she was just saying it because she bought her the chassis? "I really do love you" does that not mean anything?
Offering to cook for Marigold, take care of her? And you still think Momo is insincere...
I think Momo does care very much about Marigold. Giving the finger when Angus did what he did, trying to drag her out of bed when she was wallowing after the rejection (now she might be able to really drag her out, lol). Yes, Momo cares about Marigold very much. Until Hannelore came along, I think she was the only one. Angus doesn't care about Marigold as much as he should.
I think if Marigold does get a boyfriend, it might be a little hard for Momo, but I think she'll be happy for Marigold and not try to ruin things. At least I hope she doesn't. But she has shown some Pintsize-like naughtiness at times.
Maybe she'll just take some time for herself to go after Sven. :)
It doesnt make any sense when she says she doesn't know how she can repay her. You can! Right now! Get a job! Until Momo does something to help pay for her chassis, her useless words and preparing Marigold's ramen for the day are insufficient. Don't say you want to repay her, go do it! You're a robot who can work 24/7 without tiring, you can get a job easy.
As for Momo/Sven, it isn't happening according to Jeph. He said that would be weird (and I have to agree). Even more so with Momo's 13 year-old body.
Repayment isn't always a solely monetary consideration, you know. With a decent job, Momo might be able to pay off her new chassis in a few months or years, especially since she doesn't seem to have a lot of other expenses (what would Momo spend money on, usually? Software? Entertainment? Eels? She certainly appears to be supported in all her physical needs by Marigold - shelter, electricity, etc.).
But that fact that Marigold went out of her way to help Momo with something like this? That she supports Momo's desire for a different appearance and greater physical capabilities and is willing to cut sharply into her own food budget to make that desire a reality, and that she came to the decision to do this so quickly and decisively? Yeah, I can see where Momo wouldn't consider that something she could pay back with a transfer into Marigold's bank account. You can't buy love, and you can't repay it with cold hard cash, either.
(what would Momo spend money on, usually? Software? Entertainment? Eels? She certainly appears to be supported in all her physical needs by Marigold - shelter, electricity, etc.).Welcome, new person!
Considering that 30k would have required her to take out a loan I have a hard time buying that it was as much as 20k. She's cutting the food budget, not canceling the internet here.
Considering that 30k would have required her to take out a loan I have a hard time buying that it was as much as 20k. She's cutting the food budget, not canceling the internet here.
Who said she didn't take out a loan? The purchasing scene was left out. Monthly payments could destroy the food budget for a long time.
I don't remember Momo giving her tons of hugs and telling Marigold how much she loved her before that.
Exactly. There are no debts between family.Aaaahahahahahahahahahaha! :laugh: I would say that there are no debts heavier or longer lasting than those owed within the family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiào), and they are not paid in so trivial a currency as money.
I'm surprised nobody's responded to today's comic with DON'T YOU JUDGE HIM YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1441).
...Especially if all the computer parts are the same, and it's basically just buying a nicer case to put the innards in.
Too true. Really depends on the family. My dad and I have a pretty basic "I scratch your back you scratch mine" thing going. I'll pay to fix his broken computer, he'll chip in when I can't quite cover my textbooks. No one's keeping score at this point. The rate at which money and favors change hands would make it more of a chore than it's worth.Exactly. There are no debts between family.Aaaahahahahahahahahahaha! :laugh: I would say that there are no debts heavier or longer lasting than those owed within the family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiào), and they are not paid in so trivial a currency as money.
Too true. Really depends on the family. My dad and I have a pretty basic "I scratch your back you scratch mine" thing going. I'll pay to fix his broken computer, he'll chip in when I can't quite cover my textbooks. No one's keeping score at this point. The rate at which money and favors change hands would make it more of a chore than it's worth.
Grandma on the other hand. You don't ask her for anything unless you're willing to be her bitch for the next few years.
Electricity is a HUGE expense...not to mention the air conditioning for the amount of heat she must be giving off. She is most definitely an expense.
You can't buy love? Marigold just did, she bought her a chassis that must have been at least 20k. I don't remember Momo giving her tons of hugs and telling Marigold how much she loved her before that.
The LEAST Momo could do is work out a way to pay her back, not because she has to, but because she should. A good friend does not take a huge gift and not repay it, Momo was ready to get a job and buy it herself so she still better be willing to do the same after Marigold bit the bullet for her.
Taking the topic to a different vein, I think it's kind of interesting how Momo has become so much more of a "main character" than the other AnthroPC's. Almost every comic featuring Marigold has featured Momo, and in all of them Momo has acted much more human than Winslow or Pintsize have towards their respective owners. It's much easier (for me, at least) to forget that Momo is actually an AnthroPC and just think that she's a tiny human.I think it's partly the differences in the dynamics between the different AnthroPCs and their owners - in a lot of ways, Marigold has needed Momo to be more human than, say, Marten has needed Pintsize to be or Hannelore has needed Winslow to be. Marten regards Pintsize more as a pet than as a friend or companion (which seems to suit Pintsize just fine, in part because of the utter lack of accountability their relationship places on the AnthroPC. Hanners depends a little more on Winslow for friendship, but at the same time, being around people is not always enjoyable or restful for Hanners and the last thing she needs is another human running around her apartment, even a tiny robo-human. But Marigold craves human contact without being quite sure how to go about getting it, and it's strongly implied that before she crossed paths with the rest of the cast, Momo was Marigold's social life.
A reader comments that "sentient machines can't love." Bad news, humanity!
I think a lot of her issues are low self esteem... *sigh*The strip backs you up to the hilt on that point.
Marigold, despite her intelligence, has has self-esteem issues since the day she was first introduced to us QCF
Like Marigold, I was picked on mercilessly in high school.
The computer setup I have is still downright jizztacular and all in all I think it's around 1.7K.
I would have preferred that to be 27 and never been on a date.
*sigh*
Aw, come on Mari, she just wants to cuddle with you...!
If an AnthroPC is like a pet, why wouldn't you snuggle with it? Like a dog, but with no flea issues.
Wasn't there a reference to a "sleep mode" with regard to Pintsize once?
Does Momo even sleep? Someone needs to start a "do robots sleep" thread to go with the love one. lol.
Yeah, what's that book on the floor? :?Oh Wow! it's Magical Love Gentleman!
Does Momo even sleep? Someone needs to start a "do robots sleep" thread to go with the love one. lol.and do they dream of electric sheep?
Is it a banned topic to avoid extreme creepiness?
I hope she gets smart and stops talking to Faye, too.
I would be totally down with Marigold and Momo ditching Angus and getting a place of their own. Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
I hope she gets smart and stops talking to Faye, too.
I would be totally down with Marigold and Momo ditching Angus and getting a place of their own. Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
I hope she gets smart and stops talking to Faye, too.
As an exercise, try not bringing that up gratuitously; it added nothing to the rest of your comment.
Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
It may be just me, but once Momo got her new body I started viewing her as a person rather than an Anthro-PC.She doesn't own "Momo" though. She may technically have a sort of landlord-tenant relationship with the entity that is "Momo-tan" in respect of her current body/housing, but that's hardly slavery. As for how she came to be introduced to Momo-the-AI in the first place is more like a sort of dating service; you pay a fee to a broker who finds an AI companion for you who, given Leda's and Charlotte's tales, apparently volunteers for the role and goes home with you on a "trial basis" for which the terms are particularly generous according to Jeph; zero-notice from either party for a full refund.
It now feels weird to me that Marigold owns Momo; it's slavery.
The size difference shouldn't have altered my opinion or view but did.
This was brought to my mind in today's comic, where Momo is just staring at Marigold because she has nothing else to do.
Her life is entirely devoted to Marigold, and that's somewhat disturbing to me now.
I would be totally down with Marigold and Momo ditching Angus and getting a place of their own. Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
I hope she gets smart and stops talking to Faye, too.
Actually this is kind of a weird thought, how would Momo view the new body in terms of what it means. She can't just fit on a dresser and if she does 'sleep' or enter a kind of debug mode (not sure where but Pintsize mentions that he doesn't dream so AnthroPCs might not dream) it might be weird for her to not be near Marigold. All I can reccomend in such a situation are penguins and hats, not sure they would help, just that they might add a new dimension to the situation.
Well, if Anthro-PCs would be people their treatment would indeed violate human rights.
As they are some kind of machines, no matter how lifelike Jeph portrays them, they arent sentient and they are ultimately tools to serve mankind.
Well, if Anthro-PCs would be people their treatment would indeed violate human rights.
As they are some kind of machines, no matter how lifelike Jeph portrays them, they arent sentient and they are ultimately tools to serve mankind.
Well, if Anthro-PCs would be people their treatment would indeed violate human rights.
As they are some kind of machines, no matter how lifelike Jeph portrays them, they arent sentient and they are ultimately tools to serve mankind.
*aherm*
If you will allow me, could I please direct your attention to Exhibit A: The Measure of a Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Measure_of_a_Man_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29)
By claiming that they're tools, you are presenting essentially the same argument as Cmdr. Bruce Maddox, who himself (somewhat ironically) was a tool. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
It may be just me, but once Momo got her new body I started viewing her as a person rather than an Anthro-PC.
It now feels weird to me that Marigold owns Momo; it's slavery.
The size difference shouldn't have altered my opinion or view but did.
This was brought to my mind in today's comic, where Momo is just staring at Marigold because she has nothing else to do.
Her life is entirely devoted to Marigold, and that's somewhat disturbing to me now.
She doesn't own "Momo" though. She may technically have a sort of landlord-tenant relationship with the entity that is "Momo-tan" in respect of her current body/housing, but that's hardly slavery.
Why does slavery keep getting brought up? They (the human and the AI) make a mutually agreed to contract, the human pays for whatever casing for the AI the human desires, and if/when the contract ends the human gets a full refund. Everything about it is completely voluntary and refundable; why is that hard to understand?
I can't decide whether I'm aggravated that I avoided getting commenting on this highly interesting tangent earlier or glad I avoided the time sink.
Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
What? I really do hope you're not referring to what I think you are..
A lot of the problem is that this business model does not exist in real life, it is foreign and confusing. Nowhere can you buy something and then return it whenever you want for a full refund, no questions asked. Nowhere can you buy a product and not own it.
What about the time he asked Faye not to be so hard on Marigold? There have been times when he stuck up for her. After all, that's one dynamic of friendships, the occasional ribbing and being able to take it in stride, even though to outsiders, it may come across as mean-spirited jabs.Angus has caused Mari so much heartache, she's better off deleting him from her life.
What? I really do hope you're not referring to what I think you are..
What do you mean what you think? She should ditch Angus and get new friends. Angus is no friend, calling her a shut in weirdo. He's just an asshole, and she's better off without him as anything. He's not a friend at all.
No. You don't call your friends shut in weirdos. Ever.
I wouldn't either. But as the case is, he said it in a really cruel way, so I have a problem with it.
A lot of the problem is that this business model does not exist in real life, it is foreign and confusing. Nowhere can you buy something and then return it whenever you want for a full refund, no questions asked. Nowhere can you buy a product and not own it.Correct. We have had no need for this business model in our world because we haven't had sentient machines with equal rights to humans.
Man, Marigold looks good in the tank top huh?
But on to something that won't have me stared at.. This comic was both creepy and just plain adorable. I love it!
If he did it to most girls, maybe not. But Mari is more vulnerable than most girls, as I think we all know.
If he did it to most girls, maybe not. But Mari is more vulnerable than most girls, as I think we all know.
If he did it to most girls, maybe not. But Mari is more vulnerable than most girls, as I think we all know.
Personally, I find nothing more annoying than people walking on eggshells around you. Don't you agree?
If he did it to most girls, maybe not. But Mari is more vulnerable than most girls, as I think we all know.Personally, I find nothing more annoying than people walking on eggshells around you. Don't you agree?
Yes, sentient. Jeph says they're sentient.Hey ho. I may be the only one, but every time I hear that a machine has become "sentient" my first reaction is generally "so what" since it's not nearly as hard to be sentient as some sci-fi would have you believe. After all, most every pet you've ever owned was sentient.
Why does slavery keep getting brought up? They (the human and the AI) make a mutually agreed to contract, the human pays for whatever casing for the AI the human desires, and if/when the contract ends the human gets a full refund. Everything about it is completely voluntary and refundable; why is that hard to accept?
I can't decide whether I'm aggravated that I avoided getting commenting on this highly interesting tangent earlier or glad I avoided the time sink.
If he did it to most girls, maybe not. But Mari is more vulnerable than most girls, as I think we all know.
*serious penguin hat on!* I think part of the issue on the people bringing up slavery is that the AnthroPC is property...actually maybe I get the problem. I believe that it's PETA that has an issue with 'pets' or the idea of them seeing it as a kind of slavery and instead prefers 'companion animals' or whatever. The AnthroPCs are of at least human level intellect and are in a similar situation. More importantly they're subject to the constant risk of lobotomy (hard reset with memory dump) and possible physical abuse at the hands of an owner. Now technically it's more a mutual contract, the human and the AnthroPC are closer to a landlord and tenant. As to why Momos new form seems to make it more...active apperance does mean a lot. Most of the AnthroPCs we've seen thus far are fairly small and 'cute' they look like kids toys and thus abstractly it's harder to look at them as actual sentient beings. As something human sized and shaped suddenly Momo seems less like a kawaii little robot friend and more like another person and suddenly the contracts and concepts of ownership are problematic. AnthroPCs, at least in my view, are a kind of Landlord/Tentant relaitonship with a healthy helping of Owner/Pet. Pintsize is the dog that humps everything he can get his hands on and gives that weird little doggy grin when he pees on the new couch, if that helps give perspective.
*serious penguin hat off!* I liked the artwork in this, both Momo and Marigold look quite adorable.
Well, Momo's fantasized about Sven. There has to be context. It must have happened before and probably isn't all that rare, either.Is it a banned topic to avoid extreme creepiness?
It is not a banned subject, but would not get a free pass on creepiness either.
Marten found the idea "profoundly disturbing" in 1667.And Pintsize was "glad they legalized human/robot makeouts" in 1900, although I'm not entirely sure whether that would indicate a) that there is a following for such things or b) that it's one of those things Pintsize, and only Pintsize, is into.
Well, if Anthro-PCs would be people their treatment would indeed violate human rights.
As they are some kind of machines, no matter how lifelike Jeph portrays them, they arent sentient and they are ultimately tools to serve mankind.
*aherm*
If you will allow me, could I please direct your attention to Exhibit A: The Measure of a Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Measure_of_a_Man_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29)
By claiming that they're tools, you are presenting essentially the same argument as Cmdr. Bruce Maddox, who himself (somewhat ironically) was a tool. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
The question is, how realistic can it be for the human? How satisfying can it be for the android? What does "satisfying" MEAN to an android in the context of sex?Well that would depend entirely on what sort of chassis the APC has, wouldn't it?
I guess I'm weird...and Marigold would probably think I'm weird too, but I don't see the big deal about Momo sleeping in the bed.To be fair, Pintsize was the first AnthroPC introduced and he kinda set the bar for how AnthroPCs act and are perceived by the readers.
It's not like she's Pintsize.
Or am I way off base here? And why are people ascribing a sexual meaning to it? Momo just wants to cuddle and be close to Marigold. There's nothing more to it than that.
I guess I'm weird...and Marigold would probably think I'm weird too, but I don't see the big deal about Momo sleeping in the bed.It's not a sexual problem imo. Just a general personal space problem. For example, though we may have shared a room as children I truly don't think I'd be comfortable sharing a bed with my brother.
It's not like she's Pintsize.
Or am I way off base here? And why are people ascribing a sexual meaning to it? Momo just wants to cuddle and be close to Marigold. There's nothing more to it than that.
Actually this is kind of a weird thought, how would Momo view the new body in terms of what it means. She can't just fit on a dresser and if she does 'sleep' or enter a kind of debug mode (not sure where but Pintsize mentions that he doesn't dream so AnthroPCs might not dream)...Because there haven't been enough links to this strip in the past week (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1658) :psyduck:
And also ignores the law in QCworld... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1900)Well, if Anthro-PCs would be people their treatment would indeed violate human rights.
As they are some kind of machines, no matter how lifelike Jeph portrays them, they arent sentient and they are ultimately tools to serve mankind.
*aherm*
If you will allow me, could I please direct your attention to Exhibit A: The Measure of a Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Measure_of_a_Man_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29)
By claiming that they're tools, you are presenting essentially the same argument as Cmdr. Bruce Maddox, who himself (somewhat ironically) was a tool. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
A lot of the problem is that this business model does not exist in real life, it is foreign and confusing. Nowhere can you buy something and then return it whenever you want for a full refund, no questions asked. Nowhere can you buy a product and not own it.The problem here is that there are actually two points compressed into one:
Oh HELL no. Marigold is much gentler and patient than I am.
I'd be going for blood. BLOOD.
I think I mentioned that already, inside we are similar but I lash out at others WAY more than Mari does. Compared to me, she's a saint...and I realize that this is not "the forum where we talk in depth about C's issues" but a forum to discuss QC.
I'm just saying, I identify with her and sometimes she drives me nuts because she's being WAY nicer than I would be. I actually have a look that I've used to make people cry before.
Now...you would THINK...that would make me more empathetic towards Faye...but, as it turns out, nope.
Who ultimately owns the chassis - the AI (permanently gifted it by the human), or the human (who allows the AI to use it rent free on a landlord/tenant basis)? IOW, if Momo was to quit Marigold (unlikely given Momo's character, but play along), would she have to leave the chassis Marigold bought and head off to the cyberspace AI "job centre" to look for another human or other role (bank/nuclear sub/whatever)?
One would think that the majority of AIs would choose to simply be given a chassis and left to make their own way in the world, but the majority who do not go into a specialized profession choose to pair up with a human "owner."
Does Momo even sleep? Someone needs to start a "do robots sleep" thread to go with the love one. lol."Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"
Hmm...what's that book on the floor?A copy of "Magical Love Gentleman", the anime/manga that Mari adores that only exists in the QC-verse.
Man, Marigold looks good in the tank top huh?Actually, when you're as big as Mar-bear is (and I am), spaghetti strap tank tops SUCK!
Rule 34. There's always a followng.Hajime Soroyama! NICE!
(http://gorightly.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/sexyrobot2.jpg)
I suspect some of the people in this thread have done horrible, horrible things to Norns.
Meh. For me it was "The Inner Light" and everything else.
Meh. For me it was "The Inner Light" and everything else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606Vk2iSFNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606Vk2iSFNk)
Crying like a little bitch is permitted, and indeed, encouraged.
It may have been for the benefit of those poor individuals who have not seen ST:TNG and are planning to.I'm just watching this stuff for the first time right now, but I also don't really get worked up about spoilers if it's beyond a certain age or degree of fame.
Now that we're talking about it though, if I might ask a question of those who understand these things. "The Measure of a Man" left me a little confused about Starfleet.Only within Starfleet itself. That is, they have something roughly equivalent to the UCMJ wherein legal issues regarding fleet personnel and property are handled by senior fleet personnel.
Am I to understand that they are both the lawmakers and the law enforcers?
Heh. All this fictional legalism reminds me of an essay, by a professed Star Wars fan, that claimed the Federation was a fascist dictatorship based on the fact that there are almost no civilian starships.
Woo. Going from I, Robot to a discussion of the ST universe.
Personally, of course, I have a soft spot for TOS. I mean, come ON; I was born minutes after "Mirror, Mirror" aired. TNG is pretty good, if it only filled out things that TOS never got to deal with.
I never really got into DS9, if only because it was mostly concurrent with TNG, and it was a bit too much like Gunsmoke to TNG's Wagon Train.
Voyager was just a bit too way out there. And adding Seven of Nine was just an attempt to pander to HNG's.
I am one of those weirdos, though, who thought Enterprise had a LOT of potential - which they flushed down the toilet with the whole "destroy a chunk of the earth" thing.
Casting Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine then making her wear skin-tight lycra for the rest of the series was pandering. Subtle, no?
Heh. All this fictional legalism reminds me of an essay, by a professed Star Wars fan, that claimed the Federation was a fascist dictatorship based on the fact that there are almost no civilian starships.Dear God. I don't even have to know anything about Star Trek for that to make my head hurt. Fascist Dictatorship? Neither of those words mean anything even remotely applicable to what he's talking about.
I wonder if he ever figured out that by the same metric so is the USA, since almost no individuals own their own jumbo jets. Or aircraft carriers.
Casting Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine then making her wear skin-tight lycra for the rest of the series was pandering. Subtle, no?
Female Borg wear high heels. It was in the dossier. Did you not know that? ;)
... oh wait, just her? Drat.
(Still, I know *I* didn't complain the first time I saw her...)
I did absolutely love the reboot ST movie though. I thought it was true enough to the original spiritAbsolutely agreed. Clearly I need to stop hanging around full-on Star Trek fans, cause those jerks don't like ANYTHING. :p
Somebody needs to go watch First Contact again.
Insurrection wasn't bad either, was basically episode-quality at film length.I did absolutely love the reboot ST movie though. I thought it was true enough to the original spiritAbsolutely agreed. Clearly I need to stop hanging around full-on Star Trek fans, cause those jerks don't like ANYTHING. :p
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I'm gonna have to check out some of the other stuff. There were some very cool characters there. I know it's not entirely on topic but that was just a great watch.
Can we all agree the TNG movies were some of the worst movies ever created?
As far as I'm concerned, the entire Star Trek oeuvre is the worst sci-fi ever created. Not the concept, but the execution. A batting average of about two good episodes per season, with the rest being wretched, cheesy hogwash, is pretty bad. Why does the monotone exposition and leaden dialogue appeal?
Somebody needs to go watch First Contact again.
Insurrection wasn't bad either, was basically episode-quality at film length.I did absolutely love the reboot ST movie though. I thought it was true enough to the original spiritAbsolutely agreed. Clearly I need to stop hanging around full-on Star Trek fans, cause those jerks don't like ANYTHING. :p
As far as I'm concerned, the entire Star Trek oeuvre is the worst sci-fi ever created. Not the concept, but the execution. A batting average of about two good episodes per season, with the rest being wretched, cheesy hogwash, is pretty bad. Why does the monotone exposition and leaden dialogue appeal?
Unfortunately, for a lot of us it was our first introduction into Science Fiction. Like any first love, it holds a special place in our hearts, no matter how bad it was!
As far as I'm concerned, the entire Star Trek oeuvre is the worst sci-fi ever created.You must have lived a very sheltered life. Of course there is just so much Star Trek material that Sturgeon's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law) applies, but there is way worse SF out there. Some of the Star Trek movies are not that great, but then there is Battlefield Earth...
You must have lived a very sheltered life. Of course there is just so much Star Trek material that Sturgeon's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_Law) applies, but there is way worse SF out there. Some of the Star Trek movies are not that great, but then there is Battlefield Earth...
And personally I give Star Trek props for putting Asian actors in the main cast, or at least regularly giving them lines since 1966, something that a certain more modern (and stratospherically overrated) science-fiction franchise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)) signally failed to do. There is more than one way to suck.Perhaps I'm misreading this, but Firefly sucks and is overrated...because there are no Asians in the main cast? Am I missing how that's at all relevant to anything?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can easily see how it would be offensive that a universe where Chinese appears to be nearly as common as English (language, culture, clothing) there are no Chinese cast members, not even as minor characters. Personally I thoroughly enjoyed Firefly, and still watch it occasionally, but I can see how that could be offensive. It's certainly something that doesn't go unnoticed, even by a fan of the show. I still choose to love it because of other aspects, but I have to say it does take away from it.
What happens if Momo starts making more than Marigold? :O
Ah, so the problem isn't Star Trek, but rather the social group...
Try getting out more?