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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Method of Madness on 13 Nov 2011, 13:00
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The plot thickens, similar to the waffle batter! Vote away, my friends! :mrgreen:
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Fix the date please :P
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Done.
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Elliot has no logical grounds for complaint, but people in love are rumored to sometimes behave illogically.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgynbFoA9to
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Fix the date please :P
Ha, damn it, I am not on my game today. Thanks, P-dubs.
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The Secret Wine's secret is that it is made of waffles.
Waffles from The Secret Bakery!
Marten/Padma (Madma?)
If they get down to sexy times, can we call them Marma-laid?
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1887 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1887), for those too lazy to check for themselves.
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And after I voted, the votes for the successive options were, in order: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 :-D
Also, you know I hate portmanteaus - but I will just point out that Marma in particular would not be a good choice (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282).
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If they get down to sexy times, can we call them Marma-laid?
That is such an awful joke that I am of course giggling like mad over it.
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Still, better than Pad-ten. Paden? Paten? Patton?
Well, that cinches it. With no decent portmanteau, the relationship just won't go anywhere! :angel:
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(http://cassland.org/images/avatars/SPannoy.jpg)
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Patton?
Jacques, you magnificent bastard, I read your webcomic!
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Thanks for doing the WCDT, Method. I was unfortunately otherwise disposed due to work.
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Anytime, J-dubs.
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Haha, I get the first comment about the actual comic! Love Hannelore blushing here. Looks like Padma and Marten might be up to more than just necking tonight.
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Faye, why be such a buzzkill?
I'm kidding, of course, nobody could kill the buzz from WAFFLE SECRET WINE
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Holy Cow!
I actually thought it would be Tai more than Hanners who would peek
Or both together.
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If Hanners blushes any harder, they'll have to turn the lights down in the kitchen. :laugh:
"Pardon my French" works SO well in SO many ways...
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Or both together.
Or all three, on top of each other cartoon-trope style.
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Oh my Hanners... :psyduck:
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If you're gonna live vicariously, you gotta do it right...
"Pardon my French" works SO well in SO many ways...
Same thoughts here... [blushes]
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I wonder if Hanners is plotting to collect additional DNA samples of Marten.
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Haha, I've totally pulled the same move from panels 2-3 before.
"Welp, just gonna head back int-NOPE...."
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I had to leave through a window once, Roommate and date were in the living room and I was going to be late for work.
I'm pretty sure we all have been there.
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AWKWARD ZONE: INITIATED.
Faye now realizes that payback is a bitch. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1852)
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Ok, so I think they might be kissing in this one.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, maybe.
[snicker]
I love that the heart bubbles are still there.
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Haha, I get the first comment about the actual comic! Love Hannelore blushing here. Looks like Padma and Marten might be up to more than just necking tonight.
They don't have long. From a strict efficiency standpoint, if they like each other, they'd best get to the poppin' fresh poke soon.
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I never want to hear that euphemism again. Never. :psyduck:
Re: comic: I like where this is going :-D Also like Hanneperv
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I never want to hear that euphemism again. Never. :psyduck:
Well, she is a baker...
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Hmm.
Tai: Ordinary wine glass.
Hanners: Stemless wine glass that's probably seen far more whiskey than wine (so it's quite disinfected).
Faye: Jar.
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I lol'ed at panel 4...way to go Hanners. :-P
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Secret Bourbon >Secret Wine.
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looking at the class in Faye's hand, the location of a ridge 1 inch below the top suggests it's a nonic pint glass ( I don't know if US pint glasses share the same anti-drunk protection design) and from the size of it i'd say its a 1/2 pint glass.
you've got to love a lady who drinks wine from a half pint glass. ... classy.
[edit] meant to add that I absolutely love the perspective in p3. Whilst the changes in Jeph's drawing may not be too noticeable he is really still trying to push himself creatively [/edit]
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Looks like the wine tasting party will move to Hannelore's place shortly. That's how Momo & Marigold solved their problem.
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I surprised that Hannelore didn't 'YEEEELLLLLLL' when she saw all that smooching... All that fluid interchange, full of bacteria and dental plaque!!
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Looks like the wine tasting party will move to Hannelore's place shortly. That's how Momo & Marigold solved their problem.
Discretion is not only the better part of valor, it's essential when living with a roomate.
Although I think if Marten & Padma didn't notice (or care) about the three of them emerging from the kitchen, they're not going to be bothered by Hanner's peeking...
Also, the thought of Faye crying, "Get a room!" crossed my mind, but then he has one, right there...
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looking at the class in Faye's hand, the location of a ridge 1 inch below the top suggests it's a nonic pint glass ( I don't know if US pint glasses share the same anti-drunk protection design) and from the size of it i'd say its a 1/2 pint glass.
I'm pretty sure it's a mason jar. There even looks to be a single turn screw in the neck of the container. Faye is from Georgia and trust me, below the Mason-Dixon we will drink wine and any other alcoholic beverage from a mason jar.
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looking at the class in Faye's hand, the location of a ridge 1 inch below the top suggests it's a nonic pint glass ( I don't know if US pint glasses share the same anti-drunk protection design) and from the size of it i'd say its a 1/2 pint glass.
I'm pretty sure it's a mason jar. There even looks to be a single turn screw in the neck of the container. Faye is from Georgia and trust me, below the Mason-Dixon we will drink wine and any other alcoholic beverage from a mason jar.
It's pretty common up here in the Pacific Northwest as well. I assumed it was a mason jar in Faye's hand from the get-go.
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I also assumed it was a mason jar, but I'm a little bummed its not what a fancy little gift shop in my home town calls a "redneck wine glass". Which just happens to be a mason jar with a stem added.
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And after I voted, the votes for the successive options were, in order: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 :-D
Also, you know I hate portmanteaus - but I will just point out that Marma in particular would not be a good choice (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282).
I loathe the miserable bastards. Get a real noun, for crissakes. But I think you've hit on a trend. If this whatsit goes anywhere (which it shouldn't, since Pads is leaving on a Jet Plane, Don't know when
*whack*
Sorry, I digress), maybe there should be a pool on how many unconscious comparisons are drawn between Marten's current encounter and his past relationship (the real one, not the might've been or the off-stage crap). Da rule: it can't be done on purpose. Any twit can do that.
I'm in for 25. We're one and countin'.
(What, keep up with it? What do I look like to you, involved?)
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So I totally forgot to check Friday's comic after it updated (worked all weekend), so I went back and read it before reading today's. I'd totally be doing what Hannelore is doing. :-o
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This is gonna end with someone needing to pee.
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Secret wine does have that effect.
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It all comes back to bodily functions eventually.
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For comic #2056...
1. Holey Moley... I miss out on Friday's comic (#2055) and come check here today (#2056) to some jaw-dropping stuff.
2. Well now all five characters have drunk bubbles. Though I have the feeling that more than just Tai have the possibility of winding up pantless in the morning...
3. I will never tire of a blushing Hanners. Though I think it might have been funnier & cuter to have all three girls blushing hard upon their duck-around-the-corner in panel #3.
4. The punchline of the irresistable urge to peek, done by Hanners and Faye reprimanding her, made me laugh. It would be a toss-up of which would be funnier, just Hanners or all three girls stacking heads around the corner, a la cartoon-style.
5. Is it me (or my post-work weary eyes) or does Hannelore's hair seem fluffier for this strip? I think I like it though.
6. That is a very hot make-out pose between Marten & Padma. And the heart-shaped drunk bubbles are very cute too.
7. That is also a very low couch :wink: . (Was it always that low?)
8. The consequences (and fallout, if any) of this story-arc will should prove to be some good drama and reading in the near future.
9. If this results in a spin-off series of Questionable Content: LA... I'd... It'd be... ... ...aw, who am I kidding? I would follow it as addictedly as I do with both NCIS:DC & NCIS:LA :oops: .
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Blabla
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Damnit, the rules said NOT to be the bearhat dude. (IIRC, that line isn't in there any more, but I don't care.)
And, you're replying to a LOCKED thread in the WCDT. Generally, when a thread is locked, the moderators don't want you to continue discussing it.
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If they get down to sexy times, can we call them Marma-laid?
No, just
No
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Somehow when I first read the comic this morning, I thought the whole background in the last panel was the wall, so Faye had made Hanners turn around and stare at the wall and was telling her she couldn't look while Faye and Tai stared.
I like the actual last panel better.
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Still, better than Pad-ten. Paden? Paten? Patton?
Paten could be quite romantic...
"Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlaid with patens of bright gold:
There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it."
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Happy Arbor Day
Somehow, I knew Hanners would peek. Wonder what it'll show about her relationship with Marten: whether it's really purely platonic or the stalking / biological sample collection has any deeper significance.
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Happy Arbor Day
Somehow, I knew Hanners would peek. Wonder what it'll show about her relationship with Marten: whether it's really purely platonic or the stalking / biological sample collection has any deeper significance.
I imagine Hannelore would love to be able to have a relationship with Marten, but knows it will never happen, and is (fairly) OK with it. She also tends to be quite happy about the other characters' uh... happiness.
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Still, better than Pad-ten. Paden? Paten? Patton?
Paten could be quite romantic...
"Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlaid with patens of bright gold:
There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it."
+1, mademoiselle, +1 An impressive use of the Bard's work, with interesting implications.
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in the newest comic 2056 in the second panel on the right does it look like there was something there that didn't load properly or is it just me?
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If they get down to sexy times, can we call them Marma-laid?
No, just
No
Yes! I mean no. I
I think I mean I agree.
Still, better than Pad-ten. Paden? Paten? Patton?
Paten could be quite romantic...
"Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlaid with patens of bright gold:
There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it."
You're encouraging him.
Also, the spellchecker markups Firefox puts in this remind me of the correction fluid company time travel joke in Adams' stuff (http://www.realhhg.com/hhgpage.php?page=time)
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Blabla
Blah blah bluh?
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I like Hanners with longer hair.
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Hannelore doesn't get prettied up for Marten or do any of the standard female courting activities, which she probably knows about from reading.
Her fantasies have been shown, and they didn't involve Marten, unless he has a job we don't know about as a volunteer fireman.
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I surprised that Hannelore didn't 'YEEEELLLLLLL' when she saw all that smooching... All that fluid interchange, full of bacteria and dental plaque!!
Hannelore, while more or less OK with her semi-asexuality (for lack of a better term), is not uninterested in love/sex/etc. Try to kiss her and she'll freak out, but she is not grossed out by other people kissing. Of course, if things start getting too hot and heavy they'll have to burn the couch before she agrees to visit again.
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7. That is also a very low couch :wink: . (Was it always that low?)
I thought the same thing while watching the UStream, but think about it: that couch has seen a lot of action and I don't mean just sex; it's been puked on, passed out on by multiple people, and of course Faye used it as a bed for several months. On a related note, they should probably steam clean that thing soon O_o
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Hot damn.
With a couch that low, I keep half-expecting them to topple over and continue on the floor.
Also, I never thought the kitchen was that WIDE. °O
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Hmm, IŽd really like to know the secret of that 'secret wine' :psyduck:
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in the newest comic 2056 in the second panel on the right does it look like there was something there that didn't load properly or is it just me?
People tend to call this a wall.
To the comic: whoooohooo go Marten and all that stuff. Also adorable Hanners and everything everyone else said already.
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People tend to call this a wall.
what is this wall you a speak of? :?
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People tend to call this a wall.
what is this wall you a speak of? :?
A vertical structure designed to compartmentalize space, or to keep ceilings from crashing into floors. You may have noticed there was none in the foreground of the first panel of the preceding comic, making it necessary for Hanners to hold up the ceiling, with halfhearted assistance from Faye and Tai. :wink:
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2. Well now all five characters have drunk bubbles. Though I have the feeling that more than just Tai have the possibility of winding up pantless in the morning...
Technically I think Padma counts as being pantless right now.
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Hannelore wasn't happy with Faye and Angus kissing on her couch.
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Well, there was the breaking-and-entering aspect of it (glass houses, I know ...)
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Hmm, IŽd really like to know the secret of that 'secret wine' :psyduck:
Maybe she crushes the grapes by herself? Maybe it's a weird concoction of cheap dollar store grape juice and yeast fermented in some big retorts in her closet?
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Hmm, IŽd really like to know the secret of that 'secret wine' :psyduck:
It's not what you're thinking. That already exists, it's called Soylent Wine.
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For comic #2056...
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7. That is also a very low couch :wink: . (Was it always that low?)
Actually, I think Jeph may just have forgotten to draw a line in. There's a patch on the couch next to Marten and Padma where light is being cast, but it seems oddly square. I'm willing to bet that the couch surface is meant to end there, after which it goes vertical.
Makes sense for the characters' leg positions as well.
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Hmm, IŽd really like to know the secret of that 'secret wine' :psyduck:
http://bumwine.com/
It's one of these, I'd wager, considering Faye's love of hobo beer.
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What kind of beer is hobo beer?
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There's an element to Hanners' behaviour of 'living through people'. She's accepted that there are some things she'll never be able to do (even if she'd like to) because of her OCD, and so instead takes pleasure in her friends being able to do those things. And, since she's never been able to have these experiences first hand, she observes them with great curiosity.
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TinPenguin, IsItColdInHere, Andy147: points taken.
Secret wine, you say? Bet it's Two-Buck Chuck. :roll:
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Secret wine (http://www.tinasgroove.com/comics/november-13-2011)
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7. That is also a very low couch :wink: . (Was it always that low?)
Actually, I think Jeph may just have forgotten to draw a line in.
Many couches do not have a seam there, but just a smooth bend of the covering; I didn't find the depiction unnatural in any way.
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It's not what you're thinking. That already exists, it's called Soylent Wine.
The taste varies from person to person
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What kind of beer is hobo beer?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=92
Now that I have perused that comic again, it becomes apparent that Midnight Hobo is not a beer, but a bourbon. Derp on my part there.
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Secret wine (http://www.tinasgroove.com/comics/november-13-2011)
No. I can NOT afford time to follow ONE MORE webcomic.
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It's not what you're thinking. That already exists, it's called Soylent Wine.
The taste varies from person to person
:-P
(points to the pun jar) Pay up.
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@Yarin - You skipped a line, but well done all the less.
@Wimblesaurus - I took those for bourbons.
RED TEXT - @jwhouk, he was finishing my Futurama reference.
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It's still a pun-ishable offense.
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If you guys keep this up there won't be room in the box...
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Comic's up.
Wow, that was quick. Will Faye return the favour (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1889)? :-D
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Panel 4: Deactivated Pintsize. Lolz.
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Panel 4: Deactivated Pintsize. Lolz.
I didn't even notice, hah! What if he suddenly woke up? His mind would explode with possibilities!
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*/macnut looks at comic #2057, gets to the last panel, dances.*
Things are going a LOT better for Marten than I expected so far. Longs like the few posters who predicted Padma would indulge herself in a goodbye fling with Marten were dead on. Me, I didn't think Marten would get anywhere near that lucky.
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Cut to comic 1887, but with different characters
Wow, the poll actually called it! :D
And the punchline really makes me grin, in spite of the situation.
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Pintsize on the ground
Pintsize on the ground
Lookin' like a fool with your Pintsize on the ground
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Dear Jeph:
Please release a line of DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG undergarments.
--MDBS
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Officially jealous of Marten. Wish I could have a hot night with a sexy baker chick.
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*/macnut looks at comic #2057, gets to the last panel, dances.*
Things are going a LOT better for Marten than I expected so far. Longs like the few posters who predicted Padma would indulge herself in a goodbye fling with Marten were dead on. Me, I didn't think Marten would get anywhere near that lucky.
Maaaan... there's no reason for her not to. She likes Marten. She made that pretty clear, even when Marten didn't realize it. Why shouldn't she?
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Because it violates the laws of the QC universe.
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Elliot: Hey marten, how was you're night?
AWKWARD ZONE!
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*/macnut looks at comic #2057, gets to the last panel, dances.*
Things are going a LOT better for Marten than I expected so far. Longs like the few posters who predicted Padma would indulge herself in a goodbye fling with Marten were dead on. Me, I didn't think Marten would get anywhere near that lucky.
Not really, once she leaves we'll get a mopey, depressed Marten for who knows how many strips. I'm not looking forward to that arc.
Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
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(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/cesariojpn/fbec3ed3.jpg)
Seriously, I thought "Damn, Jeph must've made an error with Pintsize's speech bubble.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
...wow, epic fail.
Earth to stoutfiles: being a slut is not a bad thing. Sleeping together on the first date is not a bad thing. And the two are not necessarily related. Seriously, what the hell?
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Cut to comic 1887, but with different characters
Wow, the poll actually called it! :D
Yep! Huzzah!
@stoutfiles - Second date. And they knew each other a while beforehand. Also, everything else that's wrong with that statement!
Whoa, a red text that actually says what I was gonna say first. Eh, I'll keep it.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Really?
Really?
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I guess I know what one of next week's caption images is gonna be :-D
Also yaaaaaaaaaaaaay Marten! Also did anyone else notice that the bags under his eyes are gone now?
Padma seems to be quite proud of her...assets. Also her breastets (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=100) (I only feel the need to link since it's such an old comic). 8-)
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
...wow, epic fail.
Earth to stoutfiles: being a slut is not a bad thing. Sleeping together on the first date is not a bad thing. And the two are not necessarily related. Seriously, what the hell?
Slut (n) - a dirty, untidy woman. It is a bad thing. Marten won't get any STD's because I don't think Jeph would ever go there, but he should have at least asked if this is something she normally does after a couple of drinks.
First date sleeping is not always a bad thing, but when you're leaving soon to head across the country it goes back to the slut definition. They are related in this instance.
Cut to comic 1887, but with different characters
Wow, the poll actually called it! :D
Yep! Huzzah!
@stoutfiles - Second date. And they knew each other a while beforehand. Also, everything else that's wrong with that statement!
Whoa, a red text that actually says what I was gonna say first. Eh, I'll keep it.
Oh, that's right...it would be the second group date. That does make it slightly better.
Marten knows about her, but only right before they made out has Padma ever gotten to know Marten. Padma talks, Marten listens.
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Yeah, because dialogue never happens off panel. :psyduck:
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Uh last I checked this wasnt a date.
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Slut (n) - a dirty, untidy woman. It is a bad thing.
Dictionary flame (n) - the use of a dictionary definition to make a point in an argument about a word that may have shifted in meaning.
Slut = promiscuous person. That's its primary meaning these days, and a lot of people are trying to get rid of the perception that promiscuity in and of itself is bad, thus the reclaiming of the word for things like Slutwalks.
First date sleeping is not always a bad thing, but when you're leaving soon it goes back to the slut definition. They are related in this instance.
Again, it's not a bad thing. It's not even really anyone's business but her and Marten's.
Oh, that's right...it would be the second group date. That does make it slightly better.
Marten knows about her, but only right before they made out has Padma ever gotten to know Marten. Padma talks, Marten listens.
You're kind of a spiteful person, you know that?
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Uh last I checked this wasnt a date.
Shhh, don't say that. You'll just make stoutfiles hate Padma more.
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they just met up for some fun, had a few drinks, got to know a little about each other and had some more fun.
honestly its not slutty if this was a spur of the moment hook up. Now if she usually does this then yes she would be a slut.
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Slut (n) - a dirty, untidy woman. It is a bad thing. Marten won't get any STD's because I don't think Jeph would ever go there, but he should have at least asked if this is something she normally does after a couple of drinks.
Really?
Really?
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*/macnut looks at comic #2057, gets to the last panel, dances.*
Things are going a LOT better for Marten than I expected so far. Longs like the few posters who predicted Padma would indulge herself in a goodbye fling with Marten were dead on. Me, I didn't think Marten would get anywhere near that lucky.
Not really, once she leaves we'll get a mopey, depressed Marten for who knows how many strips. I'm not looking forward to that arc.
Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Ah, I see it is time to get smacked with the Great book of not-being-a-prick.
Let us see.
1. Though I understand your referring to the first-date rule out of 50s induced habits, but for the record Marten and Padma are not on a date. They have known each other for some time and interacted extensively, though they have never dated per se, and probably never will. Technically the term for this is a one-night-stand.
2. You can't get herpes if you use a condom and Marten is a responsible boy so he probably has some.
3. Though I respect your personal values which labes anything with a sex drive a slut, I'd like to point out that you might want to keep them to yourself. Notice how I am not here to insult you for being a prude. Whispering slut under your breath would suffice. Each has their own personal values and disrespecting them is a crime against democracy, good sir. Seriously. Freedom of speech is one thing, but using it to suppress others freedom of expression is a misuse.
4. I am horribly offended by your use of the term slut solely referring to Padma. Though I understand your personal values place a person who has casual sex at an unpleasant level(see pt. 3) I would kindly remind you that both of them are at "a first date", as you call it. Therefore, both of them are sluts.
5. Generalization fail. Since according to your values both of them are sluts(see pt.4) then Marten should also have herpes since it is clear that since he has had sex with a girl on the first date he is putting out for everyone he has ever met. Unfortunately we are fully aware of Marten's sexual history, unlike Padma's, so you have a contradiction. Either the generalization stands on a nonsensical level and the past 2000 strips are a lie, or your generalization is incorrect. I would vote for the latter.
6. It is not called PUTTING OUT. It is called HAVING SEX. This is not the 50s.
7. Just as a side-note, the amount of sex you have is not directly related to the amounts of STDs you suffer from. Though it seems like a logical step, there are many unfortunate people who have contacted STDs during their first sexual encounter or worse, whilst still being virgins. There are also many STDs which can be contracted through non-sexual means. Herpes also has many subbranches, though through various weird interactions it can lead to the probably genital herpes you are reffering to. But going back to the amount of sex=amount of STDs thing, it is incorrect. People who have lots of sex tend to also be well informed on the dangers and use proper protection, which keeps them safe from most sexual diseases. Obviously, each person treats his/her health differently so this may vary. When in a relationship you can have a huge amount of sex but without any risks of disease(minor a few situaitons: if one of them is infected pre-relationship, which can be checked, if one of the cheats with an infected person, which is them being a bastard and having a low opinion on the cheated-on party is just disrespectful, or in case one memeber contracts a STD through non-sexual means which is, again, extremely unfortunate.
Thank you good sir. A bright future to you! By taking this post into account and improving your attitude you may truly make this world a better place.
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Oh goodie, here we go.
Not really, once she leaves we'll get a mopey, depressed Marten for who knows how many strips. I'm not looking forward to that arc.
I'm looking forward to that arc, because if it turns out that Marten does not go all mopey and depressed, I'm going to enjoy pointing out how wrong you were.
I'll leave the rest of the post for others to discuss - Fen's done quite a nice job, for starters. :)
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Ah, I see it is time to get smacked with the Great book of not-being-a-prick.
Let us see.
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Thank you good sir. A bright future to you! By taking this post into account and improving your attitude you may truly make this world a better place.
This. All of this.
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6. It is not called PUTTING OUT. It is called HAVING SEX. This is not the 50s.
It's interesting that the term is even still in use. It implies that the woman gives, the man takes (or, occasionally, the other way around), which is kind of messed up if you think about it. Sex, if done right, is a shared experience, and the idea of "putting out" tends to deny that. Then again, I think of what you do with a DVR as "taping" even though I know it goes to a hard drive, so make of that what you will.
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Last I checked, women had the same rights as men, and the same cravings. If a woman wants a meaningful one night relationship, as long as she is safe and ethical about it, nothing really wrong with it.
Otherwise Marten deserves the same derision that I somehow don't see him getting.
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haikupoet: I KNOW, RIGHT? I hate that idiom so much. And what irks me is that I've only heard it used by US citizens or media, where the whole political correctness thing is extreme. You'd think there would be a bigger problem with that than with the word "stewardess" but nooo....
Overkillengine: Technically this is not a rights issue, but a social factor. Though obviously the rights to have sex are there for both genders, the social perspective on what one chooses to do with it is the issue. It doesn't help that promiscuity is a problem in itself for both genders (as it relates to personal values more than anything).
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1. Though I understand your referring to the first-date rule out of 50s induced habits, but for the record Marten and Padma are not on a date. They have known each other for some time and interacted extensively, though they have never dated per se, and probably never will. Technically the term for this is a one-night-stand.
Do you think Marten is going to see it that way? Be honest now.
Also, once again, they have not interacted extensively, unless you're including Marten's listening as interacting. Marten has not talked to her about himself until just recently. In fact, one of the strip's where Marten tried to tell her what was bothering him, she just walked away as the punchline.
I don't hate Padma, I just think she's kind of dirty now, like Sven dirty. Some people might like that, whereas I think you should get to know the person a little more. I also don't know why everyone is rooting for Marten to be depressed in the very near future.
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Marten is an adult and though he might get understandably mopey he should be realistic enough to understand how this is not going to turn into a relationship.
He is mature enough to know that what he feels for Padma is infatuation and that this was an act of lust and nothing more.
And even if he would be immature enough to not comprehend that, why would this make the act any worse from Padma's side? It's not her duty to coddle a guy she barely knows.
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1. Though I understand your referring to the first-date rule out of 50s induced habits, but for the record Marten and Padma are not on a date. They have known each other for some time and interacted extensively, though they have never dated per se, and probably never will. Technically the term for this is a one-night-stand.
Do you think Marten is going to see it that way? Be honest now.
Also, once again, they have not interacted extensively, unless you're including Marten's listening as interacting. Marten has not talked to her about himself until just recently. In fact, one of the strip's where Marten tried to tell her what was bothering him, she just walked away as the punchline.
I don't hate Padma, I just think she's kind of dirty now, like Sven dirty. Some people might like that, whereas I think you should get to know the person a little more. I also don't know why everyone is rooting for Marten to be depressed in the very near future.
Yes, because Marten's not an idiot. He know she's leaving in a few weeks, he knows they don't know each other terribly well, and he went ahead anyway because it's really not that big a frigging deal. They both wanted some fun; they're pals, but not with a deep enough friendship that sex would make awkward. Dammit this is a good thing and you're fucking it up for everyone by making a mountain out of a molehill.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. Goddammit whatever I'm not retracting
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Oh god you guys I'm just...
Somebody was a misogynist asshole on a forum and I didn't have to be the one to drop that knowledge hot and fast before the whole thing deteriorated into completely unfunny rape jokes
I'm just
I'm so happy *tears up*
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I am willing to bet she never intended to hook up at the end of the night but it just flowed that way.
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Thus my disclaimer about safe and ethical.
Basic checklist for what I mean by that: 1) Anyone being harmed? 2) Anyone being deceived or misled?
As far as we know Padma hasn't gone and done an entire biker bar unprotected immediately prior to this and has been very clear about her not likely being around after this for a relationship.
And as a final point: if it isn't wrong for Marten to do it, then it isn't wrong for Padma to do it, at least in societies that believe in equal gender rights.
End of line.
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Yeah, I hate it when people apply the double standards of *slut* for the woman and *the man* for a guy. They were both drunk and might both regret it in the morning, but otherwise, they both liked eachother, and both wanted it. Why the trash talk only towards the woman?
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Oh god you guys I'm just...
Somebody was a misogynist asshole on a forum and I didn't have to be the one to drop that knowledge hot and fast before the whole thing deteriorated into completely unfunny rape jokes
I'm just
I'm so happy *tears up*
Hey, I'm just some guy who went to a Slutwalk with no intention of trying to get laid :-)
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Holy shit, this is hilarious. And I can't get my retorts in even nearly fast enough. Stuff it, I'm just grabbing the box of popcorn and sitting back.
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I volunteer to model for the men's line of "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG" underwear.
(I'd volunteer for the women's line too but that'd hurt and I probably wouldn't look good in a thong anyway)
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Oh god you guys I'm just...
Somebody was a misogynist asshole on a forum and I didn't have to be the one to drop that knowledge hot and fast before the whole thing deteriorated into completely unfunny rape jokes
I'm just
I'm so happy *tears up*
I'm actually making a huge-ass poster for stuff like this with the intention of posting it whenever someone is misogynistic/misandric/just not getting it to just save the trouble of retyping the arguments over and over again.
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People, people. We are getting distracted. Let us return to the topic at hand: Marten finally, for once in the damn comic, getting exactly what he deserves: a few comics of things going his way.
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I think the major difference is that Martin would dig having a relationship.
It's Padma who's deciding not to have one (moving away ect...).
Thus, her starting sexytimes with Martin is rather uncool. (We're all pretty sure it wasn't Martin who instigated, unless his character has taken a sudden and major change.)
She knows she's leaving, yet she's doing this anyway...with a guy she knows totally digs her.
That's not a good move. in fact, she probably didn't even think it out all the way. Heck that's already an established character trait (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2053 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2053)).
And people who tend to not think out their sexytimes, frequently end up with issues. Anything from STDs, massive emotional baggage, or pregnancy. I don't think the other poster was too far off calling her a slut. If she just kinda "reacts to things" she may well have had the biker bar before Martin got there.
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Ok a few thoughts on the last few posts and comics. As someone who is in a interracial relationship, I enjoy the portrayal of it in QC and want to see more of it in all fiction. However, I will admit that a interracial relationship comes with inherent greater difficulties then a relationship within your race. (Worth it!) However, given the circles that Marten Runs in this may be a comparatively easy relationship. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
On Fen's point 2. Per CDC STD Facts: Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes.htm
I don't think that this encounter makes Padma a slut mainly becuase I don't feel we have enough data points for this. To be a slut to me you have to have multiple casual sexual encounters. We don't know how casual this is, we will see. Marten has not at this point had any casual sex that I can remember at this moment.
If Padma leaves, it will result in emotional baggage for Martin. I doubt an STD or pregnancy at this point. I don't think QC is that kind of comic.
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However, she may just enjoy having an emotional connection. Based off of how I've viewed the things she's said recently about leaving, she's going to miss everyone here, but needs to spend time with her family. This may be her "goodbye" sex with the east coast, personified in Marten.
I think Jeph will also use this to show some emotional maturity on Marten's part, when he *doesn't* sell everything he owns and fly across the country for Padma. It's also the end of his emotional healing from the Dora Disaster.
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Holy shit, this is hilarious. And I can't get my retorts in even nearly fast enough. Stuff it, I'm just grabbing the box of popcorn and sitting back.
Oh, now someone gets the popcorn, after I've used up all my good snark.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Really?
Really?
someone has a different opinion about something than I do?
really?
really?
*is that insufferable person who says "really? really?"*
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Also, Marten as a grown man amazingly has responsibility for his own emotional well being.
If he despite knowing a relationship is not likely, let her have a ride and then got depressed over her leaving in the end, then it is actually his fault for allowing that situation to occur.
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I think the major difference is that Martin would dig having a relationship.
It's Padma who's deciding not to have one (moving away ect...).
Thus, her starting sexytimes with Martin is rather uncool. (We're all pretty sure it wasn't Martin who instigated, unless his character has taken a sudden and major change.)
She knows she's leaving, yet she's doing this anyway...with a guy she knows totally digs her.
That's not a good move. in fact, she probably didn't even think it out all the way. Heck that's already an established character trait (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2053 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2053)).
And people who tend to not think out their sexytimes, frequently end up with issues. Anything from STDs, massive emotional baggage, or pregnancy. I don't think the other poster was too far off calling her a slut. If she just kinda "reacts to things" she may well have had the biker bar before Martin got there.
Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Really?
Really?
someone has a different opinion about something than I do?
really?
really?
*is that insufferable person who says "really? really?"*
m-/
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Ok, so I think they might be naked under the sheets in this one.
*tries to hold it together* *fails miserably* *collapses into giggles*
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Woo! Go Marten!
Glad he got some good times before she left!
And my $0.02, I think Marten's character has grown by leaps and bounds since the beginning of the comic; he's a level-headed and well-rounded adult. He didn't seem to go into this expecting a long-term or long-distance relationship, it's just two people who are mutually attracted enjoying an emotional and physical connection. Good sex, snuggling and pillow-talk, and once the sun rises they part as friends who shared something special. Maybe another bedsheet tango before she leaves, but my personal prediction is that regardless, Marten is going to have a good outlook on life and be ready to enjoy dating again. Though it may lead to inappropriate erections around baked goods.
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
That is all.
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Ok, so I think they might be naked under the sheets in this one.
No wai!
Lol, the forum is arguing with stoutflies again. It's like a game of whack-a-mole.
Sometimes both parties just want to get laid. Is it ill-advised? Well it's not particularly well-advised but if it's consensual and they take precautions (Marten's smart enough to use a condom and it'd be a safe presumption that Padma's on the pill) there's no harm done. Will Marten be mopey about it when Padma jumps on a plane? Maybe, but if so that's his own damn fault.
Also, called it back in February. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26042.msg1009939.html#msg1009939)
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Erections are never inappropriate around baked goods.
Hmmm do I post that? Why not, it's that kind of thread.
Lol, the forum is arguing with stoutflies again.
Daaaaaaaaaaaang.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Really?
Really?
someone has a different opinion about something than I do?
really?
really?
*is that insufferable person who says "really? really?"*
Oh, never mind then. I forgot that whenever someone decides to moralize for no particularly good reason about a character's actions which happen to be well within the bounds of normal human behavior, we're supposed to be quiet because the prudes know better than the rest of us filthy disease-ridden monkeys how we're supposed to enjoy each other's company. I'm sorry. I'll just go fill out that application for the priesthood now, because you have shown me the error of my ways. Praise PersonNamedAfterARidiculouslyExpensiveCamera!
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Really?
Really?
someone has a different opinion about something than I do?
I don't think that akronnick was commenting on the fact that he had a different opinion than stoutfiles. I think he was expressing surprise that someone could be so... out of touch with basic ideas of human interaction, labels, STD risk, and the character precedent set by QC as a whole.
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First of all: Good on ya, Marten! :lol:
Second of all: my mom was sitting at the table behind my chair when I opened today's comic, so when I saw "Daaaaaaaaaaaang" I knew I'd have to wait until she moved.
Third of all: regarding the argument before: "Daaaaaaaaaaaang" :psyduck:
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Hey, I'm just some guy who went to a Slutwalk with no intention of trying to get laid :-)
Oh man AND there are dudes doing it this is so great, you've reminded me of another thing to be So Happy about
Plus I am totally okay with an ongoing fact sheet. Save everyone the time.
Oh also Padma certainly has plenty of flaws, but it's nice to see a girl in QC who goes after what she wants, has self-confidence and has problems (personal flaws, her grandmother's illness, etc) but doesn't let them rule her life. I know the joke upon introduction of the secret bakery was that they were basically social doppelgangers for the existing crew, but at least in Padma's case, it's like they are the future, been-there-dealt-with-my-shit-about-that versions.
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I don't think that akronnick was commenting on the fact that he had a different opinion than stoutfiles. I think he was expressing surprise that someone could be so... out of touch with basic ideas of human interaction, labels, STD risk, and the character precedent set by QC as a whole.
Not to mention that hoping that another person, even a fictional one, contract a disease does not reflect well on the person expressing that hope. To put it very mildly. It's really unnecessarily nasty.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
Uh, seriously? That's a pretty messed up view you have there. First of all, wouldn't it depend on the situation? Padma knows Marten quite well at this point, and could even be counting the hiking trip as a "date" of sorts. And second of all, why is SHE a slut, while HE isn't? That's not a very progressive view...
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"I used to think I was a slut until I realized I was acting like a man".
(moderator)Don't let this turn personal. You are headed in the wrong direction if you find yourself talking about another poster and not about that person's ideas.(/moderator)
What does this mean for Marten? We've never seen him do casual. Granted that may have been for lack of opportunity, but he may believe that Sensitive Guys are supposed to get emotionally involved. Doing so now would result in making him unhappy, so it must be about to happen.
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people, am I really the only one who WANNNNNTS that line of underwear in the Topatoco shop FOR THIS VERY CHRISTMAS OMG PLEEZ ? Ok, I'd love it for boys too, but what a heck of a present in any case.
Also: hello Fen, here's your one bazillion cookies. Thank you so much, and do make that poster. I'm amazed that someone with a worldview like that of stoutflies reads this comic at all.
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I am willing to bet she never intended to hook up at the end of the night but it just flowed that way.
She chose to wear uinderwear with writing on it. Underwear like that is designed to be seen. She knows she's on a tight schedule (leaving for Cali in what, 10ish days?), she likes Marten and thinks he likes her.
For all her protestations that she just "reacts" to situations, I'm willing to credit her with enough intelligence to have weighed up some ways the night *might* have ended and planned accordingly. While they are both drunk, they haven't yet appeared stupid drunk, merely socially drunk.
As a side note, this in no way makes her a slut, it makes her someone who, when she knows what she wants, is ready to do what it takes to get it. Go Padma.
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people, am I really the only one who WANNNNNTS that line of underwear in the Topatoco shop FOR THIS VERY CHRISTMAS OMG PLEEZ ? Ok, I'd love it for boys too, but what a heck of a present in any case.
Also: hello Fen, here's your one bazillion cookies. Thank you so much, and do make that poster. I'm amazed that someone with a worldview like that of stoutflies reads this comic at all. Trolling much?
If I had a girlfriend, I'd totally get a pair for her. Sadly, I don't, and unlike Pintsize, I don't like to feel pretty sometimes.
(Also, loving the Jumbo avatar. Just started reading that manga yesterday)
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Stoutflies mentioned that Padma talks, Marten listens.
I just wanted to refute that. She listens (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1942).
Of course, then she calls it "Townie Drama"!
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What does this mean for Marten? We've never seen him do casual. Granted that may have been for lack of opportunity, but he may believe that Sensitive Guys are supposed to get emotionally involved. Doing so now would result in making him unhappy, so it must be about to happen.
Err, what gives you the idea this is casual ? So far I havent felt any lack of emotional involvement on Marten's side.
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Slut = promiscuous person. That's its primary meaning these days,
Actually, it's the primary meaning since Middle English times, according to the OED. Stoutfiles appears to have quoted the first definition only from Chambers, which was a bit perverse as that didn't appear to be the meaning he used.
As for people with different world-views reading this comic, I might also be taken as an example, perhaps...
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Those of you who are criticising one poster for having a different view from you should remember that it is not an uncommon view in many parts of society, and many parts of the world. By all means point this out, and present arguments to support your case for your view (though they may be not such much arguments as statements of convention in another part of society in this case), but please stay away from criticising someone for the act of having different views (you're generally doing OK so far, I should say).
Note that merely presenting a different view that may cause discussion is not in itself trolling - that requires a primary intent to cause trouble.
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Today's comic made me really, really happy. It touched me in that special place.
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I can't add to the commentary regarding Marten and Padma's actions, but in the 21st century, where both parties know that there is no realistic long-term relationship prospects, are both consenting adults of the same sort of age and both know each other well enough but not too well, they should be able to have a one night stand without affecting the remaining days of their friendship or having the female referred to as a slut. Anyway, enough about Faye and Sven.
I really think that Marten isn't going to get mopey about this, as he knew before the night started that she wasn't going to be around forever.
Also has anyone noticed that they've sobered up?
[Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. ] oh god
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Today's comic made me really, really happy. It touched me in that special place.
Do we need the dollie? (too much SVU, I know....)
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Also did anyone else notice that the bags under his eyes are gone now?
I did! It's literally been a year since they appeared, and this is the first time they've been gone!
Going into the dancing date, I expected some sloppy makeouts...but not naked sloppy makeouts. Glad for the surprise though! :-)
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Over the years, I've learned that you should try to live your life with as few regrets as possible. they tend to pile up, especially late at night.
So, which would give Marten more regrets, and more to mope about;
Having fun sexytimes with someone who's willing, and to whom he's attracted, even though he knows full well she's moving away, possible for good;
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Not doing so?
I'm afraid I know the answer from experience, but that's a story for another day...
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I did! It's literally been a year since they appeared, and this is the first time they've been gone!
Wow... it's really been that long?
I admit I didn't notice it. I had been thinking that this will be a turning point in Marten's mood, and this adds weight to that idea.
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That long - and it was as a reaction to the following storm that I became a mod...
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Happy aniversary?
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What does this mean for Marten? We've never seen him do casual. Granted that may have been for lack of opportunity, but he may believe that Sensitive Guys are supposed to get emotionally involved. Doing so now would result in making him unhappy, so it must be about to happen.
Err, what gives you the idea this is casual ? So far I havent felt any lack of emotional involvement on Marten's side.
The only involvement he's shown so far is purely physical(which is what sex also happens to be). He also said he was infatuated with her, rather than anything else. Infatuation is a pretty non-involvement kind of term. Though under normal circumstances a relationship may have been pursued, it is most likely not the case, and they do not know each other well enough to do the long-distance thing.
Also, it's not like the past hundred strips or so have had Marten checking out every butt in existence. Boy was horny.
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Not really, once she leaves we'll get a mopey, depressed Marten for who knows how many strips. I'm not looking forward to that arc.
Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
I... what?
Come off it, itŽs not the 1950Žs anymore.
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It took me a couple look throughs to notice Pintsize laying there- I guess I was distracted by the panties. I don't know that I'd want it in the same room with me while banging, even if he is turned off. It's like having the cat watch you.
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Not really, once she leaves we'll get a mopey, depressed Marten for who knows how many strips. I'm not looking forward to that arc.
Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
I... what?
Come off it, itŽs not the 1950Žs anymore.
Err ... what ?
In the 1950's (pre pill, when was it developed anyway ?) you would have had to marry a woman to have sex with her. At least that was still the official version back then.
Rules like "no sex on the first date" ARE definitely 2010's, not 1950's. Not to mention there are of course still parts of the world (huge parts) where "no sex before marriage" is still in effect.
Calling a woman a "slut" though is definitely outdated now.
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The outdated bit is putting the sluttishness on the woman but not (or not equally) on the man; these days that is viewed as sexism.
I am one of only two forum regulars who managed to be a teenager in the 1950s (only by a few months in my case) - so I know well how it was.
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please stay away from criticising someone for the act of having different views (you're generally doing OK so far, I should say).
It took THAT to drag me out of lurking and ask- to what extent are "they doing "ok"? "
The part where someone called him a "prick"?
Or where someone else labeled him a "spiteful person"?
Or the part where, just because of a personal opinion, a poster decided to go off on a seven paragraph tirade?
This stuff- this right here is EXACTLY why I stopped posting in the forums in the first place.
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Also did anyone else notice that the bags under his eyes are gone now?
That's what I came into the thread to say. Huzzah!
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While happy for Marten it seems to me that while he is in a high now the inevitable oncoming downturn is likely to be proportional. I find it difficult to imagine everything continuing to go so well for both Marten and Faye. Also as a side note to file under (almost) baseless and (somewhat) morbid guesses, am I the only one considering the possible ramifications of Padma's grandmother dieing before or even shortly after Padma's move, it seems like just the drama inducing plot that just might happen.
Oh and hello :laugh: nice to meet you!
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OMG you guys were busy! Two fracking pages! TWO!
As I've said before, I don't see any good coming from this. And while I wouldn't go as far as stoutfiles and call Padma a slut, I am concerned that she may be using Marten. Her choice of underwear makes it clear that she was prepared for this. Now, I don't see Marten complaining yet, but in a couple of days I expect him to start getting mopey, and quite frankly that is not entirely unexpectable. She should know this: I mean, the one time before now that she actually listened to what Marten was saying, all he did was whine about his "townie drama". Honestly, Padma is getting less likable in my opinion, as her obliviousness is getting to be downright criminal. I've already remarked on how her lack of awareness has the tendency to hurt people around her, and if this plays out like I expect this will be an all-time high in my opinion.
Then again, when has Jeph ever played things out like I expect? :|
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Marten is responsible for his actions as well as his feelings.
Marten knows full well that Padma is leaving.
If he thinks he might not be able to deal with the emotional fallout that comes from this, he is perfectly able to not participate.
Putting the responsibility on Padma for whatever consequences come of this is denying Marten's agency over his decisions.
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I just realized ... what is PINTSIZE doing in frame 4 ? ? ? :-o
I guess Marten must have shut the little guy down.
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please stay away from criticising someone for the act of having different views (you're generally doing OK so far, I should say).
It took THAT to drag me out of lurking and ask- to what extent are "they doing "ok"? "
The part where someone called him a "prick"?
Or where someone else labeled him a "spiteful person"?
Or the part where, just because of a personal opinion, a poster decided to go off on a seven paragraph tirade?
This stuff- this right here is EXACTLY why I stopped posting in the forums in the first place.
See, I am aware that Padma is a character and she does not care that someone is calling her a slut(because she doesn't really exist). However, according to the mindset quite a lot of people are labeled as sluts, mostly girls, and quite a lot of people miss out on stuff that they would want to do. The term slut is the cancer that is plague-ing the minds of many women. I hate to see it used lightly. Anyway. Slut is generally an insult. Prick is less so. I was light because I'm nice.
Perhaps some girls who do enjoy casual sex do not like having people calling them sluts based on the fact that if you have sex on the first date you're a herpes-infested slut? If my personal opinion was among the lines of "all guys who wear earrings are fags" and i would state that proudly then I would be asking for a verbal smacking as well.
Spiteful is an insult now?
Yes, I like writing long posts. Also, whenever I see someone who is being a prick I decide to kindly explain what is wrong with their line of thought. Nicely. Slowly. And all that. It's what can make the world a better place imho.
But you are posting now o.O.
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please stay away from criticising someone for the act of having different views (you're generally doing OK so far, I should say).
It took THAT to drag me out of lurking and ask- to what extent are "they doing "ok"? "
Note that the phrase was qualified ("generally"). A comparison with exchanges in the past will show how much improved the mood of this board is compared to then. Also note that sometimes corrective action is taken behind the scenes to avoid messing up the discussion further (and normally without censorship, either).
Or the part where, just because of a personal opinion, a poster decided to go off on a seven paragraph tirade?
Strongly expressed views, certainly, but kept just within bounds I thought. The length is irrelevant.
The problem is that people take offence (or get irritated) at different levels. We aim to keep things good for the majority, but if we are missing too often, we do need to be told...
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I was going to post something on this thread and make an apology about not saying anything about the strip itself, but then I saw the post I quoted below and felt like it pretty much covered my opinion.
OMG you guys were busy! Two fracking pages! TWO!
As I've said before, I don't see any good coming from this. And while I wouldn't go as far as stoutfiles and call Padma a slut, I am concerned that she may be using Marten. Her choice of underwear makes it clear that she was prepared for this. Now, I don't see Marten complaining yet, but in a couple of days I expect him to start getting mopey, and quite frankly that is not entirely unexpectable. She should know this: I mean, the one time before now that she actually listened to what Marten was saying, all he did was whine about his "townie drama". Honestly, Padma is getting less likable in my opinion, as her obliviousness is getting to be downright criminal. I've already remarked on how her lack of awareness has the tendency to hurt people around her, and if this plays out like I expect this will be an all-time high in my opinion.
Then again, when has Jeph ever played things out like I expect? :|
So yeah. That. Excellent work. ^___^
Anyway, I just wanted to submit that I would also like those panties to be in the store. Definitely asking the boyfriend to buy them for me if they become a reality. ;)
And now for attempt #4 at sleeping...
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I wonder if the others are still hiding in the kitchen.
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Err ... what ?
In the 1950's (pre pill, when was it developed anyway ?) you would have had to marry a woman to have sex with her. At least that was still the official version back then.
Rules like "no sex on the first date" ARE definitely 2010's, not 1950's. Not to mention there are of course still parts of the world (huge parts) where "no sex before marriage" is still in effect.
Calling a woman a "slut" though is definitely outdated now.
Yesyes, I was exaggerating in order to make a point. I did not literally mean the 1950's.
Maybe I should have gone with the "ringring, oh,itŽs the 1950's calling, they want their code of morales back" telephone-bit.
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Over the years, I've learned that you should try to live your life with as few regrets as possible. they tend to pile up, especially late at night.
So, which would give Marten more regrets, and more to mope about;
Having fun sexytimes with someone who's willing, and to whom he's attracted, even though he knows full well she's moving away, possible for good;
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Not doing so?
I'm afraid I know the answer from experience, but that's a story for another day...
How did it go ... ?
As you grow older, you'll find the only things you regret are the things you didn't do.
Eh, no, that's not the quote I had in mind ... not quite ...
I'm drawing a blank on who or the exact words, but the sentiment was along the lines that, as the speaker grows older, he finds that the mistakes he regrets the most, are those he did not make.
Which in the end, I suppose, is technically a license to screw around and do stupid things (http://www.itswalky.com/d/19991219.html). I'm sure you'll appreciate. 8-)
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Marten is responsible for his actions as well as his feelings.
Marten knows full well that Padma is leaving.
If he thinks he might not be able to deal with the emotional fallout that comes from this, he is perfectly able to not participate.
Putting the responsibility on Padma for whatever consequences come of this is denying Marten's agency over his decisions.
Point, however right now he is drunk, and I saw no evidence of him actively pursuing Padma before then. Remember, he was trying to bow out of the camping trip, and that was before he even knew she was planning on moving. And his whiplash comment when she invited him dancing was pretty informative as well imho. Meanwhile, looking back we see that Padma has been actively pursuing Marten for some time now, and while it does tend to get masked in her... "unique" worldview in retrospect I feel it's pretty unmistakable.
So, yeah, while I agree Marten will have to live with his stupid drunk decisions like everyone else, I do feel considerably more sympathetic towards him, because at least in his case it wasn't premeditated stupidity.
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Also, sex on a first date? Padma is the definition of slut. I think if Marten got herpes that would be a good lesson for all the readers out there, a girl putting out on the first date is usually a girl putting out for everyone.
4. I am horribly offended by your use of the term slut solely referring to Padma. Though I understand your personal values place a person who has casual sex at an unpleasant level(see pt. 3) I would kindly remind you that both of them are at "a first date", as you call it. Therefore, both of them are sluts.
I concur. Applying different standards to women's chastity and sexuality from men's and labelling only women as sluts is bedrock misogynism. I won't even attempt to characterise the attitude that approves disease as some sort of appropriate judgement on, or lesson about, people's sexual behaviour, or I'd probably earn another cautionary PM from the mods.
<Deep Breath>
It's a nicely-drawn strip, but... Marten wears mauve underwear? He doesn't seem the type somehow.
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It's like having the cat watch you.
You don't want another pussy in the room?
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It's like having the cat watch you.
You don't want another pussy in the room?
HA ha hahaha... *stabs*
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Marten wears mauve underwear? He doesn't seem the type somehow.
We've seen the mauve boxer shorts before; also some pink ones, and some spotty ones.
And what's "the type"? I'll admit to having had a favoured pair of purple silk boxers in the past...
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I want to high five both of them! :-D Hoping for a booty dance ASAP.
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Yay for Marten meeting someone and moving on. Boo because she's leaving.
For those calling her a slut, get over it. They don't have to be planning something long term to enjoy one another's company in bed. When my wife died (fairly young, 40) I spent a couple of years as a zombie. Work. Come home. Watch violent/depressing movies. Play violent video games. Sleep. Work. Go to firing range on weekend and blow holes in targets. Repeat. What pulled me out of it was a "casual" relationship with a friend. For reasons I won't bother going in to we both knew it couldn't last. We spent 6 months boffing each others brains out, going out and having fun, going to concerts, dinner whatever. All the while knowing we'd end up breaking it off eventually. We're still friends, I'm remarried. Life goes on.
Barring some twist where she stays, this can't last. But it may be the thing that gets Marten going again.
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For comic #2057... (https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2057)
1. I am so very glad this is not one of those periods in my life/work/schedule where I miss a various number of comics. I think having to read this on catch-up would have physically floored me, and I have a very stable chair :wink: .
2. Black bra & "DAAAAAANG" panties also leads me to think that Padma did expect to have this kind of action tonight.
3. I also amusedly approve of "DAAAAAANG" panties (or boxers), though I cannot say how well of a marketable item it would be. I do wonder now, however... is the "DAAAAAANG" on the back or the front...?
4. Deactivated Pintsize was a nice touch, as well as smart. Pintsize would have ruined the moment, for Marten & Padma AND we readers, I think.
5. I do like how Padma takes the boob-staring in stride. So much better than the almost now stereotypical "eyes up here!" reactions. Of course, it helped that Marten stared and complimented her eyes first 8-) .
6. I am glad that both Marten & Padma are enjoying themselves. And Marten does look "better" even if this is an afterglow moment. Pointing out Marten's lack of bags-under-eyes helped there too.
7. Conversely, this also make me sad for the coming drama &/or fallout, especially with Elliot. This makes me sad because I do not think Marten & Elliot can be friends now, even if Elliot "forgives" (for lack of a better word that my weary brain can come up with at the moment) Marten for this. I think I would have liked to have had an Elliot & Marten friendship, more than Marten being Padma's "boyfling" (to quoth the Raven) (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1943) before she moves back to California.
8. And I am deliberately avoiding any involvement with previous posts' as to not rouse the Wrath of pwhodges, lest he activate the Genesis Device (aka moderator functions) and set it to detonate. [Okay, I do not know where the Star Trek bit came from, as I wrote this. I better not dream of melee-combat with klingons, followed by hot vulcan women when I go to sleep...]
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'Ever since I was fourteen it's been like "damn girl!"'
Always been indifferent to Padma. This line and her awesome sex hair changed my mind.
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Over the years, I've learned that you should try to live your life with as few regrets as possible. they tend to pile up, especially late at night.
So, which would give Marten more regrets, and more to mope about;
Having fun sexytimes with someone who's willing, and to whom he's attracted, even though he knows full well she's moving away, possible for good;
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Not doing so?
I'm afraid I know the answer from experience, but that's a story for another day...
How did it go ... ?
Both ways, at different times.
Guess which one I regret?
Which in the end, I suppose, is technically a license to screw around and do stupid things (http://www.itswalky.com/d/19991219.html). I'm sure you'll appreciate. 8-)
Much appreciated, partly for being so long forgotten!
Oh, one other note fo those making comments on forethought based on Padma's clothing;
From my wife and daughters I've learned that sometimes, you wear pretty /sexy underwear when you want to feel good about yourself, regardless of whether anyone may or may not see it. Padma was dresed to go dancin'. For a dark woman, black underclothing is standard (white showing through a dark red dress really stands out on a dark body). And if you want to look good dancing, you need to feel good about how you look. So yeah, sexy underthings. Printing is optional.
And is this Dale's other other job, designing underwear?
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I was going to say something similar to Carl-E. Dancing in a short, tight dress and granny-panties is not comfortable. I only tend to wear my "sexy" undergarments when it's laundry day and I'm running low on the regulars.
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people, am I really the only one who WANNNNNTS that line of underwear in the Topatoco shop FOR THIS VERY CHRISTMAS OMG PLEEZ ? Ok, I'd love it for boys too, but what a heck of a present in any case.
Also: hello Fen, here's your one bazillion cookies. Thank you so much, and do make that poster. I'm amazed that someone with a worldview like that of stoutflies reads this comic at all. Trolling much?
I was just about to post that I wanted a pair of Daaaaaang boxerbriefs. :P They'd definitely be interesting to have as an underwear line.
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I have to admit, I should slightly retract my judgement on how well this is going, and I think that provided that Marten and Padma both acknowledge that she is leaving soon, they can just accept a one-night-stand for what it is and it'll all turn out well for them.
That said, Jeph does all kinds of things in QC that I never really expect or want to happen, so my prediction is that Dora will find out somehow and react awkwardly.
... You know, she might even be sore that Marten of all people managed to find someone else before she did. That would actually be kinda hilarious. :P
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Dora had opportunities with both Jim and Tai.
She backed out because she was not emotionally ready for that sort of thing.
Of course that won't keep her from losing her shit when she finds out about Marten & Padma. (and she will find out, Hanners is for shit at keeping secrets)
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I volunteer to model for the men's line of "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG" underwear.
Shouldn't it rather spell DOOOOOOOOONG, then? :-D
...yes, I am already paying up into the pun jar. Sheesh.
I wonder if the others are still hiding in the kitchen.
Ah, I was wondering that too. I suppose the others might have gone off to Tai or Hanners.
Which in the end, I suppose, is technically a license to screw around and do stupid things (http://www.itswalky.com/d/19991219.html). I'm sure you'll appreciate. 8-)
Alternatively, you could go by this (http://www.lolwithme.org/wp-content/uploads/LifeLessonsFlowChart.png) x)
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For comic #2057...
THIS.
@Padma: You go, girl!
@Marten: Dood, just go with the flow...
Also, I am suddenly hankering for B'Elanna Torres, thanks to you. Heck, I'm suddenly hankering for T'Pol, Jadzia Dax, Kes, Seven of Nine, Deanna Troi, and Nyota Uhura (2009). And not necessarily in that order. But maybe all at once...
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So... it looks like that little red dress doesn't look better crumpled in a heap on his bedroom floor.
It just looks sad and depressed.* Poor dress. :(
*This wasn't meant to be a pun, but it is now.
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Of course that won't keep her (=Dora, my edit) from losing her shit when she finds out about Marten & Padma. (and she will find out, Hanners is for shit at keeping secrets)
Given how closely knit group they are, I don't think anyone expects Dora to stay in the dark about this. Also remember how well Dora kept the secret of Faye's dildo shopping. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1382) There are no secrets within this group of friends.
I'm a little bit more concerned about what happens, when Elliot finds out. Probably nothing, but a tense moment is quietly looming in the future.
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Barring some twist where she stays, this can't last
Then again, what does?
And to quote Robert Charles Wilson: "Just because nothing lasts doesn't mean nothing matters."
I could even argue the opposite: because nothing lasts it matters that we make the most of the time we have. I'm old enough to have a few regrets, and I'm aware that there are mistakes I'm glad I didn't make, but life is not linear. It isn't a matter of "more sex good" or "more sex bad" (and the people invoking herpes are simply hilarious to anyone familiar with the history of the matter - ). Finding the optimum level of error is one of life's challenges, and I'd say Marten is doing a good job of it. Sex with Padma is the kind of "mistake" he needs right now.
- Back before AIDS, in the wreckage of the sexual revolution. herpes became the bugaboo of the chattering classes. It was painful, inconvenient, incurable and embarrassing, and it was EVERYWHERE in the press. Then in the early 80's AIDS became a big deal, and suddenly everyone stopped talking about herpes because they had what they really wanted: a sexually transmitted disease that actually killed people, with the added bonus that it was mostly gay people doing the actual dieing but the risk to straight people was great for fear-mongering. "Heterosexual AIDS" was big news in the '90's, but it never quite happened as predicted. Now that AIDS is a treatable disease, suddenly herpes is once-again the go-to bogeyman of the sexually repressive, many of whom are too young to remember the last go-round. I wonder what they'll do when we cure it? And I wonder--if they are so concerned about it--why they aren't working day and night to cure it, as that would allow everyone to have all that entirely and inherently good sex they're missing out on for fear of herpes (seriously, if the only thing that's wrong with sexual promiscuity is the risk of disease, then sexual promiscuity must be pretty damned good.)
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Every generation seems to think that they are the ones to invent sex. Uhura (TOS) is not that bad looking either.
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(However, I do expect that the smile on Marten's face and the bounce in his step to be a dead give-away when Dora sees him. I don't expect her to get mad, just notice.) :laugh:
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang!-time!
And booty-dance!
Called it.
Also not the first date. Second at least. :P
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Aaaaawww I found this strip to be very cute. I'm glad for Marten, he deserves some good time even though it might be short.
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Aaaaawww I found this strip to be very cute. I'm glad for Marten, he deserves some good time even though it might be short.
I don't think he'd take kindly to that statement. Never doubt another bros wang-stamina. :-D
Hm, yeah. Elliot WILL be a factor in this. You never know how people inexperienced with affection react to something they see as a "betrayal" of sorts. Lets hope neither Padma's Kalaripayattu, nor Faye's Punch-Fu have to be exercised in any way... I don't like blood in this comic. °O
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
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Oh. Okay, NOW I know why this thread hit six pages overnight.
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I was going to say something similar to Carl-E. Dancing in a short, tight dress and granny-panties is not comfortable. I only tend to wear my "sexy" undergarments when it's laundry day and I'm running low on the regulars.
Welu, your Christopher Walken avatar...and THAT post...ohhhh my brain :lol:
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I wonder if Jeph is really aware of how extremely conservative Indian culture can be about dating and relationships outside their race. While Padma, as first-generation, may have no problems when she's out on her own, when she's back with her family, that may be a whole different ball of wax ... let alone the issues of a long-distance relationship.
OK, that's totally jumping the gun. Padma may or may not say it was a fling, Marten may or may not be OK with it. (goshdarn razzum frazzum addictive serial storytelling)
The Looming Emotionally Fragile Elliot may be a real problem for Marten; it's easy to see how Eliot might feel like he got backstabbed. "Sneaky little bastard got me to blow my chances with Padma, and then he slipped in." But, in a way it's good to see that Marten is not letting excessive consideration about someone else's problems get in the way of his own life. That in itself is something of a stepup from the S.N.A.G./doormat characterization that SOME people seem to put on Marten.
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[ ... ]That in itself is something of a stepup from the S.N.A.G./doormat characterization that SOME people seem to put on Marten.
At least now they won't be able to call him the "sexless inkeeper" (apologies to HIMYM) anymore. Way to go, Martipants!
Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
This. I lol'd.
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I'm am so overwhelmingly happy for Marten (and Padma) right now. However, this forum bus is moving so fast that I wasn't sure about jumping on.
I won't get into the slut argument. I've actually witnessed the male version of that many years ago (five different girls in one night and he looked like hell the next day).
But I have to ask...did the slut word get thrown around like this when Faye started having sex with Sven? I don't remember.
What Marten and Padma have may fall under the category of the "benefits" package (is that a archaic term yet?) which could arguably be considered requiring a more "adult" and experienced perspective of relationships. Something not everyone, even those who practice it, are capable of. I do hope Marten comes out a tad wistful but otherwise happy after this when Padma leaves. Marten has gone from relationship to relationship as far as we know, and that may not always be a good thing. Just because you have sex with someone doesn't mean you should have a relationship with them. Of course Jeph may be setting things up for Marten to deal with his own issues if he actually does feel the need to follow her. What if what's happening now with Padma is similar to events that led Marten to leave California? If it is, maybe we'll get a little reflection on the part of Marten's character in a big reveal conversation with Faye, since as we all know, the conversation with Faye is coming. :-D
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Does Elliot ever have to find out? Marten has no reason to go back to the bakery once Padma is gone, however because Padma tends to act before she thinks there is the very real possibility that she may say or do something at the bakery that gives everything away.
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i've really enjoyed this arc and i think this strip was a good one. Yay Marty!
a few thoughts:
Words on Padma's underwear as a tell-tale sign that this whole evening was all an evil plan to jump Marten? I think it's a bit of a stretch. i have a bunch of underwear with words on them and i think they're funny. and i wear them often, sometimes to work! not all women take their underwear seriously. :-P
I think they are just two people who are attracted to each other, wanted close physical contact and actually managed to get somewhere after a little liquid courage. Whether someone is in a relationship or not, sometimes intimacy CAN just be about the fun of sex. I think both of them know that this is not going to turn into a relationship.
My only gripes?
One- The Marten/Elliot thing. It would have been nice for there to be another male around but if/when Elliot finds out I can't imagine him being all too pleased. Plus, I was secretly hoping that if he became part of the regular group, there might eventually be some Hanners/Elliott chemistry (or at least something similar to chemistry that would have made sense for Hanners. They were just so cute during that whole awkward bakery time).
Two- Not cool to leave your friends in favor of a boink. I can think of a few different ways they could have gone about the situation that would not have been quite so "see-ya-later-i'm-gonna-go-have-sex-now".
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Happy aniversary?
No, that's over at LICD.
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
No he isn't.
TheEvilDog: look at the last four letters of my screen name. And then heed the following advice.
"Don't get me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
(Yes, I was being called "The Incredible Houk" and "Houkster" back when the show was on originally. I did not mind it one bit.)
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Aaaaawww I found this strip to be very cute. I'm glad for Marten, he deserves some good time even though it might be short.
I don't think he'd take kindly to that statement. Never doubt another bros wang-stamina. :-D
I just meant that Padma will be leaving soon, so that means less possible fun moments for Marten :P
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
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Two- Not cool to leave your friends in favor of a boink. I can think of a few different ways they could have gone about the situation that would not have been quite so "see-ya-later-i'm-gonna-go-have-sex-now".
Ehn, if it's done on a regular basis it would be douchebaggery. In this case, though, I think his friends will understand just fine (waiting for Faye to dig out the "Arbor Day 2003" banner from wherever Pintsize stashed it).
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Is Marten really friends with Elliot?
Marten was attracted to Padma before he even knew about Elliot. Just because Elliot's been pining for her for God knows how long, he doesn't have a claim on her.
Then when Marten comes around, Elliot tries to play the bros before hos card on him? If Elliot had any decency he would have made a move towards Padma long ago, and failing that, butt out when someone else came along.
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I wonder if Jeph is really aware of how extremely conservative Indian culture can be about dating and relationships outside their race. While Padma, as first-generation, may have no problems when she's out on her own, when she's back with her family, that may be a whole different ball of wax ... let alone the issues of a long-distance relationship.
I can be his reference book for that. I'm the f**king walking, talking encyclopedia on the topic.
Why yes, I'm still bitter. Why do you ask?
On topicness, as I stated last week, I'm glad Marten got a break (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThrowTheDogABone) and had something good happen to him (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualKarma). I am also waiting for the inevitable fallout which will cause Marten misery (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YankTheDogsChain). As Jeph himself said (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod), Marten's happiness has been written out of the comic (http://jephjacques.com/post/11265563239/qa-dump-09), so it is a realistic attitude to hold.
Although I do thank Jeph for making this comic FAR more work friendly than the Faye shenanigans. I mean, it's not as big a deal now that I've been promoted from a cubicle serf to an office seigneur, but it still makes things easier.
I think I won't get involved in the ongoing debate. Maybe next year I'll be the lone voice against what the vocal majority so smugly considers "right."
@Sylentknight I think that man far exceeds slutdom. I don't think there is a strong enough word to describe something so depraved and despicable.
@Akima is that really mauve? It looks like a regular, plain purple to me. What's the "type" that is supposed to wear it? I only ask out of curiosity, as I only own serviceable boxers.
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The real question is how did Pintsize breakout of the closet he was thrown into and what the heck is he doing on the floor?
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Marten is an adult and though he might get understandably mopey he should be realistic enough to understand how this is not going to turn into a relationship.
He is mature enough to know that what he feels for Padma is infatuation and that this was an act of lust and nothing more.
And even if he would be immature enough to not comprehend that, why would this make the act any worse from Padma's side? It's not her duty to coddle a guy she barely knows.
Well, I can see where they'd get that idea, since I don't think there has been a sexual encounter in this comic yet that has not led to some kind of emotional attachment, relationship or otherwise. It's really just seeing patterns at that point.
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... Damn it guys, I took a five minute shower...
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
The joke is that Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulk, wore purple pants.
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Oh. Okay, NOW I know why this thread hit six pages overnight.
And this is just Tuesday.
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While Padma, as first-generation, may have no problems when she's out on her own, when she's back with her family, that may be a whole different ball of wax ... let alone the issues of a long-distance relationship.
I don't know that Padma's first generation... Gramma's here in this country, so she may be the immigrant, with the parents being first generation (and so somewhat restricted in the way you mention) and Padma being considerably free-er as a second generation... person. Although the parents may well be immigrants who brought Gramma over from the old country.
None of which really matters if there's no LDR/LTR coming out of this. I think Marten will be OK with being a boyfling.
Eventually.
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But I have to ask...did the slut word get thrown around like this when Faye started having sex with Sven? I don't remember.
A fair bit - but in reference to Sven, not Faye.
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I notice that Jeph's artwork has progressed from "Bras are weird to draw" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=228) to the current "Bras are hard to draw".
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@Sylentknight I think that man far exceeds slutdom. I don't think there is a strong enough word to describe something so depraved and despicable.
Manwhore?
[edit] just noticed that Jeph is now answering questions on reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/md8pd/i_am_jeph_jacques_author_of_questionable_content/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/md8pd/i_am_jeph_jacques_author_of_questionable_content/)
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...Marten and Padma you two are just yes. This is the best thing. ESPECIALLY Padma's notation on her boobs.
I wish Padma did not have to go, she is an incredibly fun character and her dynamic with Marten that's been built up is wonderful. But at least, in this case, I think no matter what happens (go for long-distance/be a boyfling/BACK TO CALIFORNIA FOR MARTEN?!?!?) Marten will be OK and have had a really positive experience with a fine-ass lady.
And hey even if she goes she could come back? I would want her back.
Okay yeah going back to not posting but I will leave you with what may be, to my mind, an appropriate booty-dance soundtrack
you shoulda heard (Marty?) JUST AROUND MIDNIGHT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb8FgvstQu4)
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Sarah, Ellen, Nat, any chance at happiness for Marten
Are we basing our analysis of the comic on just this? The more I reread it, the more I'm just like LOL. Seems to be in response to readers complaining about how much his life sucks. Maybe it was just a rough patch for Marten.
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Yeah, it sounded to me like Jeph was kidding there.
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There is still a loooooooooooot of females to pair up with Marten, if Jeph should choose to want to do so.
I was in a similar situation once. We decided to make the most of what little time we had left and always look back fondly on it.
If you decide to do THAT together it becomes incredibly easy to let it go and move on again.
(Or at least in my apathetic opinion it did. °O)
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Eventually, Marten WILL have to answer the question Padma asked: "What now?"
That is a question with HUGE ramifications.
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3. I also amusedly approve of "DAAAAAANG" panties (or boxers), though I cannot say how well of a marketable item it would be. I do wonder now, however... is the "DAAAAAANG" on the back or the front...?
It's on the back. Not enough room on the front. Also: I would totally buy a pair of DAAAAANG panties. I think they'd sell very well, especially among the aerodynamically curvaceous and those who appreciate them.
Not cool to leave your friends in favor of a boink. I can think of a few different ways they could have gone about the situation that would not have been quite so "see-ya-later-i'm-gonna-go-have-sex-now".
It was the end of the night. People would have started going to bed and/or passing out in a few minutes anyway. Totally cool.
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@Sylentknight I think that man far exceeds slutdom. I don't think there is a strong enough word to describe something so depraved and despicable.
Manwhore?
I still kinda feel that's a slap on the wrist. "Helbound tainted soul damned for all eternity" is still too mild, hence my conundrum.
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Eventually, Marten WILL have to answer the question Padma asked: "What now?"
That is a question with HUGE ramifications.
Yes. I just hope he says exactly what he thinks and wants, and does not make the mistake of thinking it is more about her than him.
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
The joke is that Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulk, wore purple pants.
Yes, I got the joke and made a funny of my own.
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
The joke is that Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulk, wore purple pants.
Yes, I got the joke and made a funny of my own.
Straight guys don't wear boxer briefs? Oh man, now I'm all confused about my sexuality.
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What does this mean for Marten? We've never seen him do casual. Granted that may have been for lack of opportunity, but he may believe that Sensitive Guys are supposed to get emotionally involved. Doing so now would result in making him unhappy, so it must be about to happen.
Err, what gives you the idea this is casual ? So far I havent felt any lack of emotional involvement on Marten's side.
Excellent point. I'd been assuming that rapid meant casual: you're right, it doesn't.
I think the quote people are looking for is "I'd rather regret something I did than something I didn't do".
A female friend once told me that wearing sexy underwear can be a slow-motion approach to masturbation. Have something black and slinky hidden under your clothes all day reminding you that you're a sexual creature, then go home to the vibrator.
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@Sylentknight I think that man far exceeds slutdom. I don't think there is a strong enough word to describe something so depraved and despicable.
Manwhore?
I still kinda feel that's a slap on the wrist. "Helbound tainted soul damned for all eternity" is still too mild, hence my conundrum.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) men are generally MUCH less likely to care about such labels than women are. Especially the men performing the behavior that earns them the label.
Also, far as Padma leaving is concerned, let's not forget that whenever she's mentioned her Grandma she's implied that Grandma may be on her last legs. So she could die before Padma leaves, or shortly after she arrives in California. In either case, Padma would feel obligated to stay for the funeral and to give and receive comfort from family members. But after that she may then feel little further incentive to stay, and may find Marten a strong incentive to come back to Massachusetts. It may feel kinda ghoulish to wish for the death of a beloved family member to bring a favored character back, but then again we are talking about fictional characters here, plus things could always go south for Marten and Padma after she comes back.
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A female friend once told me that wearing sexy underwear can be a slow-motion approach to masturbation. Have something black and slinky hidden under your clothes all day reminding you that you're a sexual creature, then go home to the vibrator.
Or something a little livelier, in this case. But yes, it can (and often does) remind you of how beautiful and sexy you are / can be.
Well, so I hear. :wink:
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I wear sexy underwear because I have this baggy top that slides down unless I wear something lacy to increase the traction.
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Eventually, Marten WILL have to answer the question Padma asked: "What now?"
That is a question with HUGE ramifications.
Hurr hurr. He said, "ram".
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Marten WILL have to answer the question Padma asked: "What now?"
That is a question with HUGE ramifications.
I think "what now?" was Padma asking "what [are you staring at] now?" Not "what [do we do] now?" Padma doesn't seem like the type who worries about tomorrow too much.
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True, but the question will have to be answered sooner or later, even if Padma isn't worried about it now.
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Marten WILL have to answer the question Padma asked: "What now?"
That is a question with HUGE ramifications.
I think "what now?" was Padma asking "what [are you staring at] now?" Not "what [do we do] now?" Padma doesn't seem like the type who worries about tomorrow too much.
That, or she's already expending any spare worry she generates on her grandma and thus has none to spare for trivial things like 'what do I do with this new boy?'
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Oh, one other note fo those making comments on forethought based on Padma's clothing;
From my wife and daughters I've learned that sometimes, you wear pretty /sexy underwear when you want to feel good about yourself, regardless of whether anyone may or may not see it. Padma was dresed to go dancin'. For a dark woman, black underclothing is standard (white showing through a dark red dress really stands out on a dark body). And if you want to look good dancing, you need to feel good about how you look. So yeah, sexy underthings. Printing is optional.
And is this Dale's other other job, designing underwear?
Agreed. Most of my wife's underwear is the "nice to see" kind and her most comfortable bra is black (and she is a pale lady). People who think the only reason a woman wear nice underwear is because they are expecting sex... just... guys, that's just not true. I had one ex-girlfriend who was all about buying nice underwear all the time. I'd seen her underwear drawer. There was NOTHING in there that you guys wouldn't have thought was "sextime" underwear.
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To make an analogy: I have a lot of metal band shirts. But I don't only wear them when going to gigs or hanging out with metalheads. I'll wear them at other times, even if it's under a jumper, or if nobody present would appreciate it. Because I like wearing them.
In other words, we all have items of clothing that are most appropriate in certain situations, but we wear them at other times because they make us feel cool, or smart, or sexy, or whatever.
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I always seem to be late to discussions on every forum I frequent. I won't dig all that stuff from the last 3 pages up again, don't worry.
I wasn't expecting that. It went a bit too fast for my own taste but if they like it this way, why not? We'll have to see what's going to happen, what they want to do after that. Padma possibly won't be gone for ever and might come back after the grandma business is over for better or for worse... It would be sad of course if grandma died. But if it happens, she might come back, she's got friends, a possible love interest and a job she could probably come back to at any time, which is a lot in this day and age.
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Hee, hee. I had to turn up the brightness and contrast on my monitor, and now I see the corner of the box of condoms on the floor near the bra. Marten is a true Boy Scout after all. :-D
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
The joke is that Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulk, wore purple pants.
Actually, Bruce Banner did not wear purple pants. It has something to do with Hulk's pores, anything he's wearing changes purple if it's absorbent enough.
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I don't like this. Not at all.
Now when Padma leaves, we'll be dealing with at least 50 strips of Marten sulking AGAIN.
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So Marten had a drunken one night stand. It's precisely what the boy needed.
But it does leave to question what Faye, Tai and Hanners did...did they quietly leave or stay hidden in the kitchen the whole time drinking Secret Wine?
Edit: Wait...what's Pintsize doing in panel 2b?
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I wonder if Jeph is really aware of how extremely conservative Indian culture can be about dating and relationships outside their race. While Padma, as first-generation, may have no problems when she's out on her own, when she's back with her family, that may be a whole different ball of wax ... let alone the issues of a long-distance relationship.
I can be his reference book for that. I'm the f**king walking, talking encyclopedia on the topic. Why yes, I'm still bitter. Why do you ask?
I know, Black Sword, I know. That is why my hand hovers too close to my sword-hilt around you. I'm working on that... :-)
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i446/ZAL77449/YEOH2.jpg)
As for the "type" who might wear mauve/purple boxers, I don't really know. But Marten has always seemed an low-key comfort/convenience dresser even by male standards, so I'd have picked him as the "six-pack of cotton tighty-whities from Target" kind of guy. But previous postings in this thread have reminded me that Marten has been shown previously to be a boxers guy, so obviously my intuition was faulty.
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I keep on seeing posters around here that give the clear impression that they see Marten as a chronic moper/whiner; but while I acknowledge that he has his moments, I just can't see him as being as bad as all that. Am I just in denial?
If he spends the next 50 strips with a spring in his step, do I get a cookie?
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I dunno about a cookie, but I'm with you - this is Marten's wake-up call, "LIFE GOES ON, DUDE!!"
He'll have one heluva grin for quite a while...
Hee, hee. I had to turn up the brightness and contrast on my monitor, and now I see the corner of the box of condoms on the floor near the bra. Marten is a true Boy Scout after all. :-D
Good catch!
Be prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjuz_-yao)...
(http://troop500.net/images/clip-scouts.gif)
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I wonder if Jeph is really aware of how extremely conservative Indian culture can be about dating and relationships outside their race. While Padma, as first-generation, may have no problems when she's out on her own, when she's back with her family, that may be a whole different ball of wax ... let alone the issues of a long-distance relationship.
I can be his reference book for that. I'm the f**king walking, talking encyclopedia on the topic. Why yes, I'm still bitter. Why do you ask?
I know, Black Sword, I know. That is why my hand hovers too close to my sword-hilt around you. I'm working on that... :-)
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i446/ZAL77449/YEOH2.jpg)
As for the "type" who might wear mauve/purple boxers, I don't really know. But Marten has always seemed an low-key comfort/convenience dresser even by male standards, so I'd have picked him as the "six-pack of cotton tighty-whities from Target" kind of guy. But previous postings in this thread have reminded me that Marten has been shown previously to be a boxers guy, so obviously my intuition was faulty.
Oh, you're a dao kind of girl? I thought you used jian, since you always get right to the point.
*puts in his share for the pun-ishment jar*
Understood on the undies, thanks for the clarification!
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Crouching Akima, hidden Black Sword? 0_o
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I don't like this. Not at all.
Now when Padma leaves, we'll be dealing with at least 50 strips of Marten sulking AGAIN.
Nah, we'll be dealing with 30 strips of Pintsize sulking because he didn't see Padma and Marten get it on. We're probably past due for a Pintsize oriented series of strips.
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Good catch!
Be prepared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjuz_-yao)...
(http://troop500.net/images/clip-scouts.gif)
Ha! I'd forgotten that old Lehrer tune. Yes, Marten certainly seems to have "found himself a Girl Scout who is similarly inclined".
And similarly "ink-lined", since, after all, this is a comic. :-D
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I am honestly, legitimately surprised, I thought Marten would have turned that down because of too many *~*~*issues*~*~*
But he didn't and good for him! I believe I said quite a bit ago that he could something just like this and I still believe that. Yay Marten! I'm glad those bags are gone too, nothing like post-coital glow for removing lines and wrinkles lol.
I honestly hope Elliot doesn't find out because I really kind of like him a lot and I'd like to see him in strips more regularly, but if he found out he doesn't seem to be the type to be able to let it go and be okay around Marten again. I GUESS WE'LL SEE
Also I agree about the underwear probably just being underwear she wore because she liked it. She seems like she has that personality, y'know? I bet she has all kinds of panties that say things on the butt like SWAG or BOOTYLICIOUS or HOLLA and wears them frequently to work.
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Pintsize did accuse Marten of being a chronic moper, but that was a long time ago.
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I honestly hope Elliot doesn't find out because I really kind of like him a lot and I'd like to see him in strips more regularly, but if he found out he doesn't seem to be the type to be able to let it go and be okay around Marten again. I GUESS WE'LL SEE
It's probably a setup for later. They get along fine, it never gets mentioned, Padma returns, and then Elliot goes "Wait, WHAT???"
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I don't like this. Not at all.
Now when Padma leaves, we'll be dealing with at least 50 strips of Marten sulking AGAIN.
Nah, we'll be dealing with 30 strips of Pintsize sulking because he didn't see Padma and Marten get it on. We're probably past due for a Pintsize oriented series of strips.
Having followed some of the links in Pintsize's Twitter feed, and let me say for the record "ewwwwwwwwww," wouldn't he find a one-night-stand between Padma and Marten to be rather boring? :-P
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I suspect he's not that fussy.
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If he'd been on he'd probably have ruined things by shouting "More anus!" or something like that.
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"What, she doesn't have one, too (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1300)?"
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This is Northampton. If that's what Marty really wanted, it wouldn't be that hard to find :evil:
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Come back to the forums to discuss a comic where two friends, who've both apparently liked each other and have been flirting for a while, have a cutesy feel-good hook up after (an admittedly drunken) night out. And the girl gets called a "slut." For having sex with a guy she likes who likes her whom she's known a while.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep. This is why I'm better off staying away.
Also. A tip for you guys. No, wearing underwear with writing on it does NOT mean it's "meant to be seen." Sometimes it's just the pair of undies we wanted to wear. Every girl I know says that putting on sexy undies makes her feel more awesome and confident that day, even when no one knows she's wearing it. Sexy underwear is worn for confidence probably more often than for seduction. (By the time you get to the part in seduction where the guy sees your underwear, it really probably doesn't matter very much and is off in a flash anyway. Most of my lady friends also commiserate with me on how little men actually appreciate their pretty underthings because they just want to get you naked.) And some girls have all their underthings (except a few for that time of the month) be all cute and sexy, and so any day they wear underwear is a day they wear fancy ones.
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ok. wow. i've been reading QC for several years now, and held my tougue long enough. but after reading comic 2055 & 2057, i just can't keep quiet. if padma was just going to throw caution to the wind for one last night before moving away, then WHY NOT ELLIOT?! gah!! i know, i know, i'm just over-identifying with a fictional character, but seriously .... i've been an elliot my entire life; shit i think I'M AN ELLIOT RIGHT NOW. instead of sharing a night of passion with a man who is devoted to her, loves her, and has worked beside her for who-knows-how-long ... we have yet another character choose a quickie with the man-she-just-met, right before falling off the face of the f&%king earth. grrrr >_<!
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wearing underwear with writing on it does NOT mean it's "meant to be seen."
oh, and i'm calling "bull" here. if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one around to read "SASSY" printed in big pink varsity letters on the tree's ass ... is that ass still sassy?
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wearing underwear with writing on it does NOT mean it's "meant to be seen."
oh, and i'm calling "bull" here. if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one around to read "SASSY" printed in big pink varsity letters on the tree's ass ... is that ass still sassy?
Because she is physically attracted to Marten? Because Elliot got drunk instead of taking her home? Because having casual sex with a guy who has feelings for you is somewhere between horrible, thoughtless or just plain mean(Your Mileage may vary)? Because Marten actually hit on her instead of wallowing or declaring undying love? Because Elliot is in the friendzone? Because some people (myself included) find it much easier to have casual sex with a stranger than with someone who you know well?
Because sometimes things just happen and you don't stop in the middle of it to say "wait, this is morally deceiving to a third party".
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Because she wanted to fuck Marten and didn't want to fuck Elliot? I don't know that much more needs to be read into it than that. Even that might be a bit too much, seeing as ending the night in copulation may or may not have been planned as such.
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And quite frankly, obsessing about someone you know and are around on a regular basis for months and not sharing your feelings is, to put it delicately, a little creepy.
It's the kind of behavior Nice Guys(tm) (and God do I hate that term) engage in.
It's not healthy, and it never works. He fell in love with the idea of Padma, but never actually bothered to get to know Padma as a person.
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i'm not even that upset with padma (as a character) but rather jeph jacques, and his choices for the series since the breakup. just dropping a sex interest into marten's path - one who's totally adored by some tangential character (and no, elliot is NOT a creep) - then having marten "luck" into a little rebound nooky just hours after he convinced elliot to spill the beans to the love of his life is all-too-familiar for me to stomach right now ....
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some people (myself included) find it much easier to have casual sex with a stranger than with someone who you know well?
so, the moral of the story: don't listen to women, you might accidentally get to know them ?_? my mind, it it blown ...
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i'm not even that upset with padma (as a character) but rather jeph jacques, and his choices for the series since the breakup. just dropping a sex interest into marten's path - one who's totally adored by some tangential character (and no, elliot is NOT a creep) - then having marten "luck" into a little rebound nooky just hours after he convinced elliot to spill the beans to the love of his life is all-too-familiar for me to stomach right now ....
I think that says more about you than it does about Jeph.
"Luck" when it comes to relationships is, as it is with everything else, simply a matter of noticing opportunities and being ready and willing to act on those opportunities when they present themselves.
Acting on an opportunity takes a certain degree of risk, you have to be willing to be shot down. It's awkward yes, but it doesn't have to be devastating.
This is also good for Elliot, although it may not seem so right now. Now that his crush on Padma has been, well, crushed, he, if he recognizes the opportunity, can move on and hopefully meet and begin a healthier relationship with someone else.
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I think the quote people are looking for is "I'd rather regret something I did than something I didn't do".
So much truth in your words. (http://xkcd.com/458/)
And yes, "What now?" in this situation was probably nothing more than pillow-talk, even I know that... But still, the greater question will be asked eventually. And it will sound quite similar. ;)
Oh shush about "serious start of commitment" or "casual sex". Either can follow up into the other if circumstances are right. (Granted, these directions aren't equally probable)
Hee, hee. I had to turn up the brightness and contrast on my monitor, and now I see the corner of the box of condoms on the floor near the bra. Marten is a true Boy Scout after all. :-D
Is that a box of condoms? I can only make out the letters L U B ... not familiar with that brand. °O
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wearing underwear with writing on it does NOT mean it's "meant to be seen."
oh, and i'm calling "bull" here. if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one around to read "SASSY" printed in big pink varsity letters on the tree's ass ... is that ass still sassy?
I'm wearing royal blue undies with black lace right now, and a matching satin bra with a little bow on it. (Kinda like this (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WOMENS-BLUE-AQUA-BLACK-LACE-MOLDED-BRA-PANTY-SET-2345-/01/!B91bEog!2k~$(KGrHqMOKp!Ey+jC058cBM68+0Fu9w~~0_35.JPG).) And I can assure you no one will be seeing me tonight, because my big evening plans include watching "Ringer,"
paying my bills, and cleaning my room. But pretty much all my underthings look like this because yes, they make me feel sassy. Heck, sometimes part of the thrill is that no one knows I'm wearing awesome cute underwear except for me.
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Heck, sometimes part of the thrill is that no one knows I'm wearing awesome cute underwear except for me.
Hah! Yesss! I always assumed that was what some girls were going for most of the time. Thanks for a kind of confirmation on that. :-)
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Is that a box of condoms? I can only make out the letters L U B ... not familiar with that brand. °O
LUBricated condoms.
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Is that a box of condoms? I can only make out the letters L U B ... not familiar with that brand. °O
LUBricated condoms.
Oooooooof course. *head table*
Sorry, I'm daft this morning.
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loluffy, physical intimacy and emotional intimacy can't be compared, so you don't trade one off for the other. Also, people are usually expected to reciprocate actions, not feelings. If a person loves you, you don't have to love them. This is different from if a person is kind to you, in which case it would be ethical to be kind to them.
Further, what Elliot did was not the hard part. All he did was love Padma -the selfish part. The hard part in winning someone is doing right by them, and being awesome enough to meet their standards. Marten wins for meeting Padma's needs and for having the attributes she's into. Whether he wanted Padma more than Elliot really doesn't factor in... And I hope you don't try to debate that.
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some people (myself included) find it much easier to have casual sex with a stranger than with someone who you know well?
so, the moral of the story: don't listen to women, you might accidentally get to know them ?_? my mind, it it blown ...
Look. There are friends with benefits and there are people who you had sex with/made out with that one time(I don't do one night stands too much, but I did have my share of random makeouts in the past. It's just as awkward for me afterwards). FwB is one thing, but I always found interacting with the latter kind of weird. Especially if one of us had feeling for the other and/or misunderstood the situation. Not that everyone makes this separation, but I do and there are probably other people who share my feeling on the topic.
People have their own sets of values and shit, you know?
BTW, for a more straight-forward "why not have sex with elliot" answer...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/FenixPharell/padma.png)
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BTW, for a more straight-forward "why not have sex with elliot" answer...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/FenixPharell/padma.png)
This. Also why you people shouldnt expect this to become a long-term relationship. If it does, good for them, if it doesnt, well sometimes all what people wants is to have fun. Humping into each other crotches.
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I guess it would be nice if I could wear something and it made me feel more confident. It seems sort of superficial, but if that's the price to pay. Much easier than dealing with issues underlying my lack of self-confidence, for sure. I'm not even sure if that latter one's possible.
As to "slut": oh no, people are wrong on the internet! Let's get offended.
I have this weird feeling that Padma won't really appreciate this night as much as Marten, in retrospect.
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Referring to the "slut" thing, this strip would yield some insight over the one-night stand issue (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1089)
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Comic's up!
God dammit, Marten...
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Poor Marten.
Reality sets in.
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That didn't last long.
At least the bags aren't back under his eyes.
Yet.
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What happened to booty dance? This isn't QC-esque! :-P
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You can almost read his mind in each of the last four frames...
"Woo, I'm the man! Sexy times..."
"...with Padma..."
"...who's leaving in a few weeks..."
"...and now I'm in love. Shit."
What happened to booty dance? This isn't QC-esque! :-P
I think Marten was substituting a strut for a booty dance until reality kicked in.
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If he spends the next 50 strips with a spring in his step, do I get a cookie?
Seems like he didn't even last one strip...
I just hope he finds a way to accept the situation and tries to make the most of it. He got to enjoy something good, only time will tell how it all pans out.
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And once again, regrets (http://xkcd.com/458/) are a bitch.
Hm... I realise now there hasn't been any talk at all about what Marten might want out of this as there was with Faye and Dora at some point. We (as readers) are as uncertain about what he is feeling right now as he must be. Poor guy.
Knowing thy self is hard, hard, hard work.
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What happened to booty dance? This isn't QC-esque! :-P
I'm not sure this is a booty dance situation.
Did Faye ever have a booty dance when she hooked up with Sven? Or even Angus?
I think Marten just realized how fleeting the situation with Padma actually is, and while on the whole he's glad it happened, the can is open and there are worms all over the place.
He doesn't really know if he has feelings for Padma, or whether he even wants to. If he does what should he do about it? Does he want to try an LDR arrangement? What are her feelings? Should they try to pack in as much time together as possible before she leaves? Would that make things harder? How would Dora feel about the situation? Or Faye? Or Hanners?
And then there is Elliot to consider.
The list goes.
Marten just realized he's got a whole heap of problems he didn't have yesterday, and he's walking away from the one person who can both make them better now and help him work through them in the future.
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I was sort of expecting Marten to sulk but.. come on. Too soon!
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You can almost read his mind in each of the last four frames...
"Woo, I'm the man! Sexy times..."
"...with Padma..."
"...who's leaving in a few weeks..."
"...and now I'm in love. Shit."
I don't think it's "I'm in love" so much as "I have something going in my life again," but otherwise, exactamundo.
And don't ask why my brian spat out that word right now. Wait, I do know: it's that Richie Cunningham strut Marten is doing before the brick hits. I can almost hear "I've found mah thrill
" Then random crashing sounds, or maybe a needle scrape.
edit: Brain, not Brian. Damn you, Scott Story!
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Marten just realized he's got a whole heap of problems he didn't have yesterday, and he's walking away from the one person who can both make them better now and help him work through them in the future.
L'esprit de l'escalier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27esprit_de_l%27escalier) ... one of those situations where I'd like to kick Marten in the kneecaps until he crawls back and TALKS TO PADMA about this. God-damnit. A one night stand doesn't mean you have to be an emotional magician and be a cold-blooded vampire afterwards. Our brain automatically associates sex with emotions, so just accept it. ><
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GO MARTEN
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He's not really depressed! He just saw Elliot coming the other way and is pretending to mope because coming from the direction of Padma's (house|flat?) and being all insufferably pleased with himself will reawaken old suspicions.
In fact, Marten being happy at all ought to be enough to raise suspicions in anyone that knows him...
Yes, that's it, he's masking his happiness with a masterful simulation of depression to spare the feelings of a random acquaintance. Totally.
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Anyone noticed? Panel 1 Padma again with the kinda-pronounced invisible-cigarette-holding hand. Are these just coincidences?
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Jeph is a freaking GENIUS!
He drew a comic where everyone who said, "He'll have spring in his step" AND everyone who said "He's going to be mopey again" were BOTH right!
Damn, Marten...
Or maybe, DAAAAAAAAAANG...
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Did Faye ever have a booty dance when she hooked up with Sven? Or even Angus?
Angus did, but he did it alone. Naked. In front of the bedroom. And Marten saw him ... I'm too lazy to look up the comic, though, but it was quite recent.
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Just remember, folks, that Jeph has said a couple of times that the reason that Marten and Faye didn't end up together as he'd originally planned was that the strip would then have come to an end because of boredom. IOW, in stories happy endings are generally endings. He also said recently that he's been aiming at Marten and Padma getting together for a considerable time.
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The outcome of a one-night stand in another webcomic (http://outthere.keenspot.com/d/20111116.html).
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The outcome of a one-night stand in another webcomic (http://outthere.keenspot.com/d/20111116.html).
Yes, talking to each other, even by phone. Precisely what Padma and Marten seem to not have done.
Stupid fucking white man, stupid fucking colored woman. (Apologies to Jim Jarmusch)
(If I'd said "not-white woman", you would have been as offended, shoo!)
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I think we better talk this over
maybe when we both get sober
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To be fair in one of the QC dumps on his tumblr when someone asked if there were any chars that had gotten written out of QC permanently Jephs answer was. "Ellen, Sarah, Nat, Any chance of Happiness for Marten"
Whether he was joking about that last part or not remains to be seen.
I however do hope something good happens for Marten part of me thinks something will happen to keep Padma from moving or from staying gone for long.
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Marten and Padma do need to talk, but "now" (as in right after comic #2058) may not be the best time.
Right now, they're both too caught up in the moment to make rational decisions, and an in person meeting would probably just devolve into more hot-monkey sex.*
What they need is a day, two at the most, to process what happened and what it means.
*Not that there's anything wrong with hot-monkey sex, it's just not conducive to good decision making.
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Yes, talking to each other, even by phone. Precisely what Padma and Marten seem to not have done.
Give 'em a chance!
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Yes, talking to each other, even by phone. Precisely what Padma and Marten seem to not have done.
Give 'em a chance!
I'm not in charge of their chances! Jeph is! Why am I shouting?!
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I have this weird feeling that Padma won't really appreciate this night as much as Marten, in retrospect.
It would fit the typical way Marten's life has ended up. She'll just consider it to be a happy fling and move away.
And then Marten, in love and mopey, will end up moving too. To where she is.
Drama will ensue, and a somewhat unpleasant decoupling.
Marten will begin to make friends in his new location. At some point milk will be thrown.
Lather, rinse repeat.
Some people just keep making the same mistakes, over and over and over, rarely actually learning from them.
But Jeph wouldn't make Marten do that! It would involve separating him from the rest of the QC regulars and would turn Marten into a sullen, mopey, luckless shell of a man.
...
What?
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"YELLING!"
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"YELLING!"
Sometimes I just don't know whats more entertaining. The comic or the WCDT. :-D
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Sighs...
I have to throw my $.02 on the whole "sexy underwear" business. Now, I'm not a woman so I'm may be missing something, but it seems to me there is a big difference between wearing sexy underwear in normal situations as a way of sexually empowering oneself, and wearing sexy underwear in a social setting with a guy you're attracted to, especially if you know there is going to be alcohol involved. And again, I feel that in her own way Padma was showing signs of being attracted to Marten, at least to some small degree.
And now, here's the kicker. I'm pretty sure that if there is one thing most of us can agree on, it's that Padma wasn't looking for a long-term relationship. Which is all fine and good, but she doesn't know Marten well enough to know that he's fine with a short term fling as well. And to be honest, what little she does know about him should suggest the opposite in my opinion. He's whined about missing the Coffee of Doom, whined about his townie drama... I mean, I like Marten as much as the next guy, but we all know he has serious self-confidence issues when it comes to what he wants out of his own life*, and it shows. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if Padma picked Marten precisely because of his low self-esteem, because that way she thinks he won't have the guts to try to talk her into staying.
*Disclaimer: When it comes to his friends, it's a different story for Marten. Whether it's avenging his girlfriend from the antics of evil henchmen monks (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=697), or threatening Hannelor's creepy cyborg stalkers with a broadsword (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1902), it must be said that he can stand up for his friends. It's just a shame he can't stand up for himself more often. Remember, the one time he really stood up to Dora about her hypocrisy, he started backing down immediately as soon as she turned away (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1797). She was the one that finally ended their relationship a few comics later, not Marten.
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I have this weird feeling that Padma won't really appreciate this night as much as Marten, in retrospect.
I guess thatŽs what Marten is thinking in the last panelv :roll:
Sometimes I just don't know whats more entertaining. The comic or the WCDT. :-D
The thread certainly keeps me coming back..I don't know wether that is good or bad :lol:
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Sigh. Marten.
On the bright side, I'm looking forward to another visit from the tequila monster, the beast of bourbon, or Gary the 9 ft pterodactyl.
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Jeph is a freaking GENIUS!
He drew a comic where everyone who said, "He'll have spring in his step" AND everyone who said "He's going to be mopey again" were BOTH right!
Damn, Marten...
Or maybe, DAAAAAAAAAANG...
I'll go with daaaaaaaaaaang. I certainly didn't feel right after that last panel. :|
Oh well. Daaaaaaaaang.
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I'm looking forward to another visit from the tequila monster, the beast of bourbon, or Gary the 9 ft pterodactyl.
It'd probably be too parochial to sell well, but I'd love to see a bros shirt with those guys on it
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And now, here's the kicker. I'm pretty sure that if there is one thing most of us can agree on, it's that Padma wasn't looking for a long-term relationship. Which is all fine and good, but she doesn't know Marten well enough to know that he's fine with a short term fling as well. And to be honest, what little she does know about him should suggest the opposite in my opinion. He's whined about missing the Coffee of Doom, whined about his townie drama... I mean, I like Marten as much as the next guy, but we all know he has serious self-confidence issues when it comes to what he wants out of his own life*, and it shows. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if Padma picked Marten precisely because of his low self-esteem, because that way she thinks he won't have the guts to try to talk her into staying.
Marten's decision to go to bed with Padma and his feelings about it is his decision and his responsibility.
He knows she's moving. She was completely up-front with him about that. What he decides to do in light of that information is his decision, regardless of what kind of underwear she was wearing, or her reasons for wearing it.
Two consenting adults have made and informed decision. They both, have to be responsible for the consequences of that decision, both separately and together.
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I'm looking forward to another visit from the tequila monster, the beast of bourbon, or Gary the 9 ft pterodactyl.
It'd probably be too parochial to sell well, but I'd love to see a bros shirt with those guys on it
I'd buy it!
Alright, i wouldn't really, but I'd squeeee like a fangirl if I ever saw one...
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Alright, i wouldn't really, but I'd squeeee like a fangirl if I ever saw one...
I'd kinda like to see that!
Raise yer hand if ya wanna see Carl-E squeeee like a fangirl!
I keeed, I keeed!
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uuuuuuuuugggggghhhhhh MARTEEEN
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldy2yjr6iV1qfaow2o1_250.gif)
sigh
son, I am disappoint
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Two consenting adults have made and informed decision. They both, have to be responsible for the consequences of that decision, both separately and together.
And once again... who are we to assume anything about Marten's emotional state right now?
The only kind-of indicator of any emotion of his toward Padma was his ridiculous workup about going dancing with her. And that could've just as well been nothing more than "performance anxiety".
The "sulking" could be because of anything. Could even be he just misses her body already. (Apologies to Jeph for using a Hanners quote)
I don't like the idea that Padma "targeted" Marten, so to speak. It wouldn't fit her "ditzy" (as established) personality to plan anything farther ahead than a span of two to three weeks. Her moving back to her family being the exception to the rule. IMO.
Next comic will be Marten getting fired at with questions by Faye. And him stuttering incoherent crap trying to rationalize his spontaneously-realized feelings for Padma... NOT. :-D
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Ergh!
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Alright, i wouldn't really, but I'd squeeee like a fangirl if I ever saw one...
I'd kinda like to see that!
Raise yer hand if ya wanna see Carl-E squeeee like a fangirl!
I keeed, I keeed!
It'd be something we could tell the kids about, or at least, something to kid him about over BBQ and beer.
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He knows she's moving. She was completely up-front with him about that. What he decides to do in light of that information is his decision, regardless of what kind of underwear she was wearing, or her reasons for wearing it.
And knowing all that, if one were in Marten's shoes and now facing the fact that she's moving away...
who WOULDN'T sigh?
I know I'd sigh. And it'd be one hell of a sigh.
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I lolled.
[Yes, I enjoy the (potential) misery of fictional webcomic characters, bite me!]
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Marten and Padma do need to talk, but "now" (as in right after comic #2058) may not be the best time.
Right now, they're both too caught up in the moment to make rational decisions, and an in person meeting would probably just devolve into more hot-monkey sex.*
What they need is a day, two at the most, to process what happened and what it means.
*Not that there's anything wrong with hot-monkey sex, it's just not conducive to good decision making.
...If Jeph went that direction it could be hilarious.
Marten's like "hey Padma so we should talk and figure stuff out" and she goes "Sure!" and then two panels later they're sweaty in bed and neither knows what they meant to talk about but there's those amazing boobs again daaaaaaaang.
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Some people just keep making the same mistakes, over and over and over, rarely actually learning from them.
We're still under a year in "comics time", so it's a little early to write Marten off yet. I was a complete idiot about women 'til, well, quite a few years after my divorce. It's never too late to learn, it just takes some folks a long time, and is made more difficult by the incompatible romantic myths men and women get primed with.
One day Marten will learn that he's responsible for his own feelings and expectations and no one else's, and that if he's honest and up-front about those he can relax and enjoy the moment, unashamed and without mopery. 'Til then, we get to enjoy his misery. I sometimes work in an office with a lot of younger people and get to watch this process play out in real-time. There's no downside, really.
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[ ... ] those amazing boobs again daaaaaaaang.
... will be an internet meme in no time.
We're still under a year in "comics time", so it's a little early to write Marten off yet.
... in relation to what? I don't quite follow.
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Ah yes - the reality that Padma is still going away in light of their night together has finally bubbled to the surface.
How Marten deals with it will show the strength of both his character and maturity.
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And so begins the tale of Mopey Marten. Oh sure, we'll have brief moments of happiness here and there, but mostly just a lot of moping. For all of you rooting for Marten to score and saying its just what he needs, Marten's character has never been about one-night stands.
Anyways, I hope this passes soon and puts Marten back on track to accomplishing something. It wasn't too long ago he had his awakening when Dora about what he wanted to do with life, but after ONE band session he went back to doing nothing and waiting for things to fall in his lap like usual. Come on Marten, stop talking about all these things you want to do with your band and start doing them! You'll never succeed if you don't try.
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after ONE band session he went back to doing nothing and waiting
You are forgetting or ignoring that stuff happens outside the strips; what Marten said to Padma about the band (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2055) makes it clear that they are continuing to meet and work towards reaching performance standard.
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Oh stoutfiles, you are such an encouraging fellow, with your Marten hope!
I am such a fan.
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after ONE band session he went back to doing nothing and waiting
You are forgetting or ignoring that stuff happens outside the strips; what Marten said to Padma about the band (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2055) makes it clear that they are continuing to meet and work towards reaching performance standard.
Fair enough, I originally took that comment as the feedback on the one session they already had. Well, hopefully that's the next arc then.
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Marten being successful and maybe even un-mopey, what kind of idea is that.
But yeah, it might be interesting to see some more band-stuff.
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God DAMMIT Marten. *sigh*
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The outcome of a one-night stand in another webcomic (http://outthere.keenspot.com/d/20111116.html).
Speaking of outcomes, I wonder if they used protection? If not, there could be a major drama-inducing outcome, if you follow.
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Speaking of outcomes, I wonder if they used protection? If not, there could be a major drama-inducing outcome, if you follow.
Condoms had already been noted.
Although they aren't foolproof.
But Jeph certainly wouldn't do THAT to Marten and Padma. This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
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I feel sorry for Marten's ankles, They can't breathe. No wonder the guy had to slow down his strut.
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In completely unrelated news, the last four panels remind me of that thing in movies where happy music is playing and gets suddenly distorted, like if somebody has a broken record player.
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A surprise pregnancy plot would have been much more likely right after Marten and Dora broke up. But I doubt this series is the kind of place for such a Movie of the Week/After School Special type of plotline.
Any comments about Marten never getting to "win" should be taken with a big load of salt, both because our esteemed webcomic author might be pulling the readership's leg, and because there's nothing stopping him from changing his mind down the road if he is serious.
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But Jeph certainly wouldn't do THAT to Marten and Padma. This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
Which one?
And I'm already seeing the upside of this scenario: No matter what the fall out, it'll probably make Marten stronger in the long run, I'd like to think.
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I wouldn't worry too much - Faye's there to smack some sense into him. She's already did it when she made him go dance. She is monitoring this situation carefully (hopefully that doesn't sound creepy).
Unless he panics and does something stupid and rash before he even gets home.
Dammit
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And I'm already seeing the upside of this scenario: No matter what the fall out, it'll probably make Marten stronger in the long run, I'd like to think.
If it doesn't kill him!
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This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
Which one?
Ctl+Alt+Del (aka CAD) - miscarriage arc (http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20080602).
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I have this weird feeling that Padma won't really appreciate this night as much as Marten, in retrospect.
I guess thatŽs what Marten is thinking in the last panelv :roll:
Or the idea of a berserker Elliot.
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On the upside: Marten is a gentleman and walked Padma home! She approves!
On the downside: ...well, not really downside. This is pretty much what I expected from the start. Sure, it was a day or two early, but it was the only possible outcome in light of what we know.
Crouching Akima, hidden Black Sword? 0_o
Oh, man, that'd be an awesome movie. Akima, dressed all in white, a white dao in hand, spouting her credos as she attacks my vital points while I, dressed all in black, my eponymous blade in hand, give scathing counters that would torch the area even as I block her attacks and aim to return the favor. Flying through the air in impossible ways as we clash and withdraw, only to attack each other again. Hapless extras fleeing in terror as every blow we exchange shakes the earth and causes enough property damage to make AIG profitable again...
...and then Is it cold in here descends from above in the middle of the battle, equipped with a massive maul that only those beings known as moderators can use. With the mighty ban hammer, he smites us both in a special effects masterpiece that makes Mjolnir jealous. :laugh:
removed dead space in the quote
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This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
Which one?
Ctl+Alt+Del (aka CAD) <DEL>
Rule #1 - do NOT talk about CAD.
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I dunno if Elliot is on Marten's mind.
The whole girl-you-hook-up-with-that-is-about-to-move-away situation is probably what heŽs thinking of.
IŽve been there, but like a friend told me then "A lot of things can happen in 2 months" or 2-3 weeks in this case.
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Wow, Marten was happy about finally getting some...for all of about 5 seconds. Maybe less. Guess he really isn't meant to stay happy, but then again, happy people tend to be rather boring for story purposes.
As for loluffy's comments about Elliot being left out in the cold, well, this is why the Friend Zone is to be avoided at all costs. This is why it is a BAD idea to let your feelings for someone grow and blossom in silence while you don't even speak to them, or try to ask them out. This is why, if you DO ask them out and they turn you down and ask for friendship instead, you REFUSE if that's NOT what you want. Instead you make a clean break from them and move on to someone else.
These are all hard-earned lessons. As others have mentioned, just because you have romantic or sexual feeling for someone, that does NOT mean they're obligated to feel the same. Again, another hard-earned life lesson. And when you think about it, acting like you're someone's friend while harboring stronger feelings for them and wishing you were more than a friend is really rather deceptive and creepy. It's a fake friendship-better to let your feelings be known from the start and let the other person make an informed decision about how they want to proceed with you.
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This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
Which one?
Ctl+Alt+Del (aka CAD) <DEL>
Rule #1 - do NOT talk about CAD.
WHAT ? ? ? ???
Is that an inside joke or something ?
Wow, Marten was happy about finally getting some...for all of about 5 seconds. Maybe less.
Err, what ?
He was happy about it for many hours ...
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After he left her.
He made it maybe thirty feet before the spring was gone from his step.
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Rule #1 - do NOT talk about CAD.
Is that an inside joke or something ?
It's an Internet commonplace - not entirely justified, in my opinion, as far as the comic goes. But it's more directed at the author, I think.
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Is that an inside joke or something ?
It's "cool" to hate CAD and the author.
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Marten Reed: Master of finding clouds in silver linings.
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Is that an inside joke or something ?
It's "cool" to hate CAD and the author.
CAD doesn't know what it wants to be, which is confusing for the reader. The strip has pulled multiple 180s. The author hates anyone who doesn't think CAD is pure gold while simultaneously trying to pitch bean bag chairs to his readers.
That said, it's drawn well and I'm sure writing plots for so many years gets difficult, and you can't please everyone. All comic hate should be reserved for certain legacy syndicated comics, whose authors cut and paste work their father did.
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After he left her.
He made it maybe thirty feet before the spring was gone from his step.
That's understandable. Probably the reality hits that she's leaving for California, or just the euphoria wearing off.
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Rule #1 - do NOT talk about CAD.
There was a reason why I chose not to name it- I have no intention of "hating on" the general webcomic. I was making a point, utilizing an example that the vast majority of us know very well, to highlight something horribly inappropriate a webcomic author can to do their characters, something Jeph has far too much integrity to do.
My post was not a discussion about that site in general, but a particularly horrid instance where miscarriage was used "for laffs".
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miscarriage was used "for laffs".
No it wasn't:
A miscarriage is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it.
You can read the whole of his justification for it in the link I gave before, but he "doth protest too much", I suspect.
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uuuuuuuuugggggghhhhhh MARTEEEN
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldy2yjr6iV1qfaow2o1_250.gif)
sigh
son, I am disappoint
I came to the thread with thoughts and insights prepared to become a hopefully interesting comment but then I spent five minutes staring at this GIF.
"Gif" or "jif" pronunciation: Which do you say?
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Jacques, you magnificent bastard, I read your webcomic!
you and he are worthy opponents woo tvtropes
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"Gif" or "jif" pronunciation: Which do you say?
I usually use the "gif" pronunciation. If you say it like "jif" people might think you're talking about Peanut Butter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jif_%28peanut_butter%29).
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Or Jif lemon juice (http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Jif-Lemon-Juice/10804011); or Jif cleaner (https://www.google.com/search?q=jif+cleaner&hl=en&client=opera&hs=Ygj&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=MunDTtOLKcj28QPN9eCbCw&ved=0CGMQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=846&sei=qenDTpmeLYTKhAfpte3rDQ) (now called Cif in some markets, it seems).
But my answer to the question is "png".
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After he left her.
He made it maybe thirty feet before the spring was gone from his step.
With those legs?
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aww hugs poor marten
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I feel sorry for Marten's ankles, They can't breathe. No wonder the guy had to slow down his strut.
I can't believe I'm the only one to notice this comment. What the hell? Do ankles need to breathe? I mean like generally?
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No it wasn't:
Yes it was.
If you hand someone an orange and then tell them "this is not an orange", the thing you are handing that person is still an orange. Declaring it a plum or a pomegranate doth not make it so.
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For comic #2058...
1. Aw, poor Marten. Apparrently the cement mixer truck of regret just poured a large load of quick-drying "I probably should not have" over his blooming flower garden of "woo!" I figure we will find out, and work out, the specifics of Marten's loss of inertia for the remainder of this week.
2. On a brighter note: at least Padma wants to continue spending personal time with the nice indie boy.
3. And did the pair (do not think "couple" sounds correct for this...yet) drop off at The Secret Bakery? The building does look like it (shutters closed), and probably would make sense for Padma's "baker's hours."
4. I do hope Marten & Padma part on good terms if/when she does eventually move back to California. It does not have to be "happy" terms, but hopefully enough to walk away from each other with a "fare thee well" satisfaction (for both the characters and we readers).
5. I continue to try to steer clear of previous posts as we pass from choppy waters to stormy seas, and trying to avoid battle with undead post pirates or stir up giant tentacled forum moderators.
6. [Sean Connery voice]: Give me a .png, pwhodges... One .png only, please. :-D
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Marten has always seemed an low-key comfort/convenience dresser even by male standards, so I'd have picked him as the "six-pack of cotton tighty-whities from Target" kind of guy. But previous postings in this thread have reminded me that Marten has been shown previously to be a boxers guy, so obviously my intuition was faulty.
Speaking from a male perspective, I would not call tighy-whities comfortable. Of course, I am but one man. YMMV.
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Marten has always seemed an low-key comfort/convenience dresser even by male standards, so I'd have picked him as the "six-pack of cotton tighty-whities from Target" kind of guy. But previous postings in this thread have reminded me that Marten has been shown previously to be a boxers guy, so obviously my intuition was faulty.
Speaking from a male perspective, I would not call tighy-whities comfortable. Of course, I am but one man. YMMV.
You can get cheap six-packs of boxers too
and yeah, never once met a 'comfortable' pair of briefs.
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load of quick-drying "I probably should not have" over his blooming flower garden of "woo!"
But the fact that it probably can't continue needn't be a reason to regret having done anything at all.
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Marten has always seemed an low-key comfort/convenience dresser even by male standards, so I'd have picked him as the "six-pack of cotton tighty-whities from Target" kind of guy. But previous postings in this thread have reminded me that Marten has been shown previously to be a boxers guy, so obviously my intuition was faulty.
Speaking from a male perspective, I would not call tighy-whities comfortable. Of course, I am but one man. YMMV.
Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Briefs are an abomination against comfort.
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*Puts on pair of shoes*
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Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Briefs are an abomination against comfort.
Couldn't disagree more.
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I can't wear boxers. I have thighs like tree trunks. The legs of boxers bunch and ride up in any pair of pants I wear, even baggy carpenter jeans or sweats.
So yeah, I wear briefs. But NOT tighty whities. If they fit well, they're plenty comfy!
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No it wasn't:
Yes it was.
If you hand someone an orange and then tell them "this is not an orange", the thing you are handing that person is still an orange. Declaring it a plum or a pomegranate doth not make it so.
Kind of a ridiculous way to compare things tbh. That arc was very shitty and unnecessary but I'm pretty sure the guy just wanted to "test" his characters and that if he could pull it off (he obviously couldn't). It wasn't meant for laughs but only as experimenting. You can have your own opinion on that though but that's all there is to it: an opinion. Specially considering no one (including the author) found it funny so there's no grounds for saying that it was supposed to be something to laugh at.
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I feel sorry for Marten's ankles, They can't breathe. No wonder the guy had to slow down his strut.
I can't believe I'm the only one to notice this comment. What the hell? Do ankles need to breathe? I mean like generally?
Note that the day before I was worrying about Padma's dress lookng "sad", and you might be able to tell I'm a guy who likes to personify. ;)
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Marten's sprint is just FAAAABULLLOUUS.
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I'm confused; why are we talking about engineering programs? Can we get back to the webcomic please? The conversation about male underwear better be brief too, or I'll have to call this boxer I know.
I prefer to think that Marten is not sadfacing, just contemplating humping that fire hydrant furiously to demonstrate his dominance.
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These are all hard-earned lessons. As others have mentioned, just because you have romantic or sexual feeling for someone, that does NOT mean they're obligated to feel the same. Again, another hard-earned life lesson. And when you think about it, acting like you're someone's friend while harboring stronger feelings for them and wishing you were more than a friend is really rather deceptive and creepy. It's a fake friendship-better to let your feelings be known from the start and let the other person make an informed decision about how they want to proceed with you.
YES. THIS.
But Jeph certainly wouldn't do THAT to Marten and Padma. This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
It bothers me a bit that you act like authors would never do horrible things to their characters. It's through horrible experiences that we learn what the characters are truly made of, who they really are. There are many books I've read that devastating things have happened to the characters, and you see them struggle through the pain. And they were brilliant. They delve into that part of ourselves most people are too afraid to think about. I find these stories incredibly compelling. For example, look at how Harry Potter dealt with the loss of Sirius. In the books, there is a lot of pain on his part, but you always find yourself rooting for him and telling yourself that you know he can make it through that tough time.
These characters are human, above all else. And bad things happen to humans all the time. Humans die. Humans get pregnant when they don't plan to. Humans make bad decisions. We are flawed. Yes, Marten used a condom, and that's great; I'm glad. But I honestly would be in for the ride if there was an unexpected pregnancy. It would be an interesting plotline, and I'd love to see how Jeph and the characters would handle such a problem.
I understand what you're saying. But webcomics don't always have to be funny every single strip. And I also understand that Jeph probably won't put such a heavy topic in QC, at least for right now, but I'd like it if we could all keep our minds open to the possibility of a character's actions having really negative consequences in that way. It would be really interesting to see how Marten would grow as a person and if Padma would stay or run for the hills.
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Yes, Marten used a condom.
Did he? Where did we see the wrapper?
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/w6whdu.jpg)
I'm sorry, it just...it just kind of fit
(I am also sorry for it being a shitty edit)
Poor dude. :O Don't worry Marty, Padma likes you!
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I have this weird feeling that Padma won't really appreciate this night as much as Marten, in retrospect.
I guess thatŽs what Marten is thinking in the last panelv :roll:
Or the idea of a berserker Elliot.
Please Elliot, don't berserk 'em!
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Yes, Marten used a condom.
Did he? Where did we see the wrapper?
Fourth panel (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2057), upper right corner by the discarded bra. I saw it fine on my laptop at home, but here at work it's ridiculously dark. I can't make the monitor show the first letters, which are "LUB..."
Marten's in LUB??
:laugh:
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Yes, Marten used a condom.
Did he? Where did we see the wrapper?
Fourth panel (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2057), upper right corner by the discarded bra. I saw it fine on my laptop at home, but here at work it's ridiculously dark. I can't make the monitor show the first letters, which are "LUB..."
"LUB" as in "LUBE". And that's a box, not a wrapper, but I'm being nitpicky. So maybe they avoided pregnancy by using the backdoor rather than wearing a raincoat?
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Or as in LUBricated, and 3-packs and dozens still come in boxes, last I checked.
Backdoor or not, I'm sure Marten's been raised safe, considering his mother's business.
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Or as in LUBricated, and 3-packs and dozens still come in boxes, last I checked.
Lube is short for lubricated and I said we didn't see a wrapper.
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That (2058) is one very nicely-drawn comic. The last four panels could be an object lesson in facial-expression and body-language to express emotion in a comic. There's not a trace of "cut 'n' paste face". But Marten looks super-skinny. And wears very, very tight jeans.
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Yes, that 'strut' panel made me think of any number of Archie Andrews (of Archie comics, for those dwelling under rocks), only Archie is drawn much more robustly. Marten's even thinner than Jughead.
Stop with the judging.
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I can't make the monitor show the first letters, which are "LUB..."
Marten's in LUB??
... while dancing to LUBstep
LUB.LUB.LUB.LUB.LUB.LUB.LUB.LUB
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*sigh*
There are times that a certain Mr. Marten Reed can be his own worst enemy.
*GibbsSmacks Marty*
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I blame the fire hydrant.. it clearly gave him an Evil Eye.
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Or as in LUBricated, and 3-packs and dozens still come in boxes, last I checked.
Lube is short for lubricated and I said we didn't see a wrapper.
So? There's no reason to assume they didn't use one if there is a box lying around. With the same mindset you could say "There's a wrapper but until I see the jizzed-in condom, I say they used it as a balloon."
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So? There's no reason to assume they didn't use one if there is a box lying around.
A box for lubricant. :psyduck:
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Or LUBricated condoms as everyone pointed out.
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Or LUBricated condoms as everyone pointed out.
Since it's at the bottom of the box in big letters, that would be a damn long box. Also, akronnick =/= 'everyone.'
Wait, why am I writing like I'm annoyed about this? Ceasing now.
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Then
"Brand X Condoms
-Lubricated- " ?
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No, not brand -X-. They tend to burst....
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A box for lubricant. :psyduck:
No - you can see part of the opening and the side flap, which is long and narrow. Entirely characteristic, though I can't identify the brand (being in the wrong continent!).
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Before he gets too mopy, Martin needs to do the thing. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1890)
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I never realized how skinny Marten is.
Someone get the poor guy a hamburger!
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Or a burrito (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=631)...
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"What's wrong, Charlie Brown?"
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The last four panels could be an object lesson in facial-expression and body-language to express emotion in a comic. There's not a trace of "cut 'n' paste face".
Jeph said once that he's not particularly good at facial expressions. I think he is.
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Martins legs are seriously creepin me out. Wheres the muscle mass? how do they support him?!
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Toon physics. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ToonPhysics)
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This isn't that OTHER webcomic... you know the one...
Which one?
Ctl+Alt+Del (aka CAD) <DEL>
Rule #1 - do NOT talk about CAD.
Quality/tastefulness aside, Marten knocking Padma up would be completely different, since Ethan and Lilah were engaged when she got pregnant.
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Or a burrito (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=631)...
When I saw that was a link I was thinking this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VP_frpZK30), but *applauds* that's excellent archive memory. I'd managed to brain bleach somehow forget the spider burrito.
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"I'll, uh, give you a call tomorrow?" "Sure."
... I just noticed this and keep wondering what either thinks the other said.
Could it be that Padma only heard "Hey, since we're one-night-standers now, we could do this again tomorrow." and ditzily-flippant as she is simply responded with "Sure."?
Could it be that Marten said "I like you, I want to see you again."? He could've heard "Sure." as "If you want, you can try. Catch ya later, buddy." ...
Psychologically devastating stuff.
Poor guy. I know that feeling when you obsessively think about something ambiguous a person said over and over again in the hopes of making a definite meaning of it.
(Its part of why I became apathetic. It really really sucks. oO)
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Someone finalize the poll. Me want moar stuff to click oan!
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Those words bothered me a bit, too, but look at the smile she says them with.
And look how she's touching his face in the farewell embrace.
Now, she knows she's leaving, and this is for fun,
but I think she wouldn't mind spending some more time with "mister gentleman".
They'll always have Paris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o)...
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They'll always have Paris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o)...
You didn't happen to be watching Jeopardy this week, did you? Apparently Casablanca was a topic.
...which I know because my mother texted me about it. What a cool kid.
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Missed it, but damn, I woulda swept the topic...
I always wished they did team jeapordy. My wife and I used to watch, and anything I didn't know, she did. And vice-versa. We woulda cleaned up!
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While I was not surprised at the comic, I was impressed at how quickly reality came crashing down on Marten's head.
I mean, that tree is like three feet from that fire hydrant. He's happy as a clam just on the far side of the tree, and before he even gets to the hydrant, he's in Mopeville.
Literally two steps, if you look at the leg positioning. :-P
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:|Boxer briefs are totally the way to go according to most of the guys I've known (at least the ones who talked underwear with me). I've heard of regular boxers bunching too much for some guys--though a chef I dated swore by them.
As for Padma's panties, I agree with others who say some women like wearing sexy underwear to feel good (I do). It doesn't mean she wasn't planning on hooking up with Martin, but it's not a good way to judge it alone. I hope someone smacks the mope out of the boy as by this point as he needs to realize Padma would have probably been a transition date anyhow. It is rare to find "true wuv" right after a breakup.
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Toon physics. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ToonPhysics)
Looks like a tvtrope-link and smells like a tvtrope-link. Must... Resist...
Pheew. A close call.
Those words bothered me a bit, too, but look at the smile she says them with.
And look how she's touching his face in the farewell embrace.
Now, she knows she's leaving, and this is for fun,
but I think she wouldn't mind spending some more time with "mister gentleman".
They'll always have Paris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o)...
Casablanca FTW.
Somehow "They'll aways have Northampton" doesn't have quite the same feel to it.
But it is their shared sweet memory, and that's all that counts.
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Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllll no new comic *keeps pressing F5*
Martins legs are seriously creepin me out. Wheres the muscle mass? how do they support him?!
Its MARTEN not "Martin" and that the guy has no strength is a constant theme of QC.
Toon physics. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ToonPhysics)
Looks like a tvtrope-link and smells like a tvtrope-link. Must... Resist...
Pheew. A close call.
Yeah, he got me, though. Another quarter hour spent on tvtropes ...
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So in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1923 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1923), panel 2, did Faye have a precognition?
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Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllll no new comic *keeps pressing F5*
I wouldn't expect it for a couple of hours yet - Jeph's got either Internet or computer problems right now (the stream is broken, so we can't tell, though he managed some swearing in the chat).
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Yeah, he got me, though. Another quarter hour spent on tvtropes ...
That's all?
I must be slipping...
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Comic already! Must just have been Internet or U-Stream issues, not computer.
Anyhow, Marten seems a bit confused now...
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More nautical references!!!
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So in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1923 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1923), panel 2, did Faye have a precognition?
That's just so wrong, on so many levels.
Thank you!
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http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2042
Wait, did I miss something? :/
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Maybe he did get drunk.. just not as bad as the Bar-Mat man.
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I'm loving Marten's "Buh?!" look in the last panel. :laugh:
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http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2042
Wait, did I miss something? :/
No, but it looks like Jeph did.
Or perhaps Elliot's just clueless, or forgetful, or was really distraught the first time.
Although 2042 was actually just the night before...
"Oh, hey, did I tell you this already...?"
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Wait, whaaaa... Am I the only one getting some Déja vu? (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2042) There's no "they'd been drinking" handwave either since it happened before Dancy Times.
Anyway, hopelessly confused Marten's afterglow keeps taking a beating :P
Poor guy didn't even get 5 minutes out Padma's door with The Glow.
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OHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHNOOOOOOO!
Eliot's on his way over to Padma's, to walk her to work!
And she's clueless enough, that she'll tell him she took his advice -- and hooked up with Marten!
Such a storyline will not end well. I really hope I'm wrong...
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At least Elliot doesn't seem too roughed up :D
Prolly did him some good finally getting things out in the open, that has a way of clearing your head.
Maybe Padma meant it in earnest when she told Elliot she wouldn't want to hook up with anyone but changed her mind in a "what the hell, might as well have some fun"-way.
Gah, weŽll see.
Weird about Elliot telling him twice, though. :?
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Yeah I think Jeph forgot Elliot had already told Marten. Oh well, still had a laugh either way. :lol:
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IŽm rather in for some big juicy delicious drama :psyduck:
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Poor Marten. Fist to the face, knife in the gut and twisting, twisting...
But I guess this would be a second-hand definite "I don't want a relationship." from Padma.
Now, she knows she's leaving, and this is for fun,
but I think she wouldn't mind spending some more time with "mister gentleman".
Oh, I never doubted that about HER. I just have this lingering fear that she failed to make that perfectly clear to Marten. :-/
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...and the bags under the eyes are back.
That didn't take long. :-P
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OHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHGODOHNOOOOOOO!
Eliot's on his way over to Padma's, to walk her to work!
And she's clueless enough, that she'll tell him she took his advice -- and hooked up with Marten!
Such a storyline will not end well. I really hope I'm wrong...
Yeah if Marten's got half a brain he'll say he's late for work or something and then RUN AWAY fast as he can! Or at least stroll briskly. This is one awkward zone that probably won't be defeated by dressing up in funny clothes. I can't see Marten getting beat up over this (especially if he leaves the area quickly!) but one never knows what a guy who feels screwed over by another guy will do - frequently that does lead to anger and beatings.
Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. Sheesh, a guy can't even take the time to compose a halfway-thoughtful reply around here...
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Wait, didn't Elliopt tell Marten he told Padma like 10 comics ago? Why is he re-telling that?
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Wait, didn't Elliopt tell Marten he told Padma like 10 comics ago? Why is he re-telling that?
Sometimes people do forget and say the same things twice, especially if there had been some drinking going on. Jeph's characters are some of the most human I've seen depicted- which means yes, they will sometimes make mistakes you would see in real life, and not in a prescripted typical comic or drama.
Elliott seems... thinner... in the latest comic. Or am I just imagining things? Did anyone else notice that he suddenly seems to have lost fifteen pounds around his middle?
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Marten and Faye heart-to-heart chat coming up. Both are in need of a friend's advice, and don't really have anyone else to turn to. Hopefully the wine tasting didn't go into overtime so that Faye won't be too hangover.
Agree with AnAverageWriter. We've seen beefier versions of Elliot. May be his bulk was slightly exaggerated, when that was A) conveying the futility of Faye's punching attempts on their way to the dance club, and B) to make the contrast to Hannelore more pronounced, when they spent a strip or two standing side-by-side as the awkward ad'awwwable couple left behind.
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They'll always have Paris (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o)...
Casablanca is the perfect movie.
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It is rare to find "true wuv" right after a breakup.
Or at any other time! Nor is "twu wuv" (which I believe in the correct spelling) "found" so much as "made" where by "made" I mean "dragged kicking and screaming into existence against the will of Fate, the gods and quite probably your mother."
Aside: Elliot is telling Marten what he told him before because people are made out of meat, not silicon, and we pretend to think and do logic with some improbable lump of inconsistent neurochemical goop that was evolved to tell jokes and make songs and stuff so we could get laid.
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Wait, didn't Elliopt tell Marten he told Padma like 10 comics ago? Why is he re-telling that?
And now Jeph is going bananas rewriting the comic :D
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Wait, didn't Elliopt tell Marten he told Padma like 10 comics ago? Why is he re-telling that?
And now Jeph is going bananas rewriting the comic :D
His Twitter does say "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" or something :-)
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Ahahahahahahagahahahahaaa Elliot you have no damn idea
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Poor Marten, he really didn't need this... I hope he'll be able to survive the rest of the day before he can talk to Padma again.
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Wait, didn't Elliopt tell Marten he told Padma like 10 comics ago? Why is he re-telling that?
And now Jeph is going bananas rewriting the comic :D
His Twitter does say "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" or something :-)
Looks like the comic's been altered. Now it's not redundancy city. :-P
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That was interesting to see that, come to the forum, then to go back a few minutes later and see it changed. Jeph's a lot more productive this early in the morning (late at night?) than I am.
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Early in the afternoon..
timezones are hella weird O.o
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Heh, I just used mine because it's also Jeph's (New Jersey/Massachusetts).
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Looks like the comic's been altered. Now it's not redundancy city. :-P
Aww man. I actually kinda liked it the way it was before, honestly... Maybe because there are times in the past when I've done exactly what Elliot did beforehand- talked to someone about something and then totally forgot down the road that I had even mentioned it.
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The whole conversation makes much more sense now, somehow.
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Looks like the comic's been altered. Now it's not redundancy city. :-P
Aww man. I actually kinda liked it the way it was before, honestly... Maybe because there are times in the past when I've done exactly what Elliot did beforehand- talked to someone about something and then totally forgot down the road that I had even mentioned it.
"Weren't you the one I told about XYZ?"v :?
which often leads to:
"What the hell, with whom have I been talking about it?" :psyduck:
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Maybe my short time memory is playing games with me but I cant see any difference. Where's the correction? To me still looks like Elliot told Marten twice. :?
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Maybe my short time memory is playing games with me but I cant see any difference. Where's the correction? To me still looks like Elliot told Marten twice. :?
Refresh the page. If that doesn't work, try clearing your browser's cache first. The page has definitely changed.
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Try refreshing, it looks like you have a cached version?
In any case, I actually think the original dialogue could've been worked with - there was a time in my life that I was that obsessive about someone, and I would end up telling the same person about it multiple times.
And, we're talking about Marten here... he probably wouldn't have called him out on it - instead, letting him go on, while trying to get out of the situation entirely before the awkward exploded.
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The new dialogue makes me feel about 25% more that the entire conversation, Marten is consciously telling himself "don't tell him you fucked Padma, don't tell him you fucked Padma, don't tell him you fucked Padma..."
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Wait wait... how did Elliot know Marten was also pining for Padma? Or at least, how can he be so sure about it, saying "We're in the same boat now, huh?" ... My brain! Ze goggles! Zey do nossing!
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By telling Padma she should hook up with Marten, Elliot may be indirectly responsible for their hookup happening as Padma was able to initiate the romance without any worry. It also lets Marten off the hook, as Elliot said it was ok (even though we all know the awkward "you should date so and so now" is not true and the exact opposite should be followed if you care about that person's feelings).
I also find it telling that Elliot says she should hookup with Marten, not date him. Who says that? You should go have sex with that guy before you leave? It's like Elliot already knew Padma was pretty slutty. Maybe that's why Marten is so sad in the last panel, he now realizes it was a one-nighter and Padma is some sort of town bicycle.
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Poor Marten. Fist to the face, knife in the gut and twisting, twisting...
That first part was Faye, not Marten. Broke the glasses, remember? :-D
...and Padma is some sort of town bicycle.
Because everyone rides her?
Gaaaah... you owe the pun jar for that one.
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That first part was Faye, not Marten. Broke the glasses, remember? :-D
Maybe it was a figurative fist-in-face?
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I also find it telling that Elliot says she should hookup with Marten, not date him. Who says that?
Me? :psyduck:
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That first part was Faye, not Marten. Broke the glasses, remember? :-D
Maybe it was a figurative fist-in-face?
It most certainly was. Thanks. °.o
I also find it telling that Elliot says she should hookup with Marten, not date him. Who says that?
Someone who is innocent enough to not know what "hooking up" actually translates to after a certain point in the adult life. Poor Elliot. I wanna dress him in white and make him go to Dr. Hitch. (or whatever Will Smith was called in that movie, never saw it...)
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Could we refrain from calling Padma a slut, guys? Or implying that she is somehow a really awful person for having drunken sexytimes with Marten? Like, fucking come on, now. :psyduck:
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I also find it telling that Elliot says she should hookup with Marten, not date him. Who says that? You should go have sex with that guy before you leave? It's like Elliot already knew Padma was pretty slutty. Maybe that's why Marten is so sad in the last panel, he now realizes it was a one-nighter and Padma is some sort of town bicycle.
Come off it. YouŽre making general assumptions based on next to nothing.
THey had sex, woo, big deal -.-
IŽm pretty sure Elliot will get over it even if Marten tells him in the current conversation.
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Dr. ROFLPWN, To be fair, it was stoutflies.
Oh and bytheway...
:-D <------------------------------ See this?
Yes, I knew what soulsynger meant.
DAAAANG, you people just don't know how to take a joke! Back in MY day we didn't have any "emoticons", we had to guess! And believe me, it could be even harder face to face! I remember this one time, in school... Nah, nevermind.
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I have banned stoutfiles from posting. I would prefer that we discuss the comic rather than his particular view of it.
</admin>
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Ahaha whoops it was stoutfiles. Well nevermind then. Sorry, tired and on a smartphone screen. :B
EDIT: Daaaaang not even inb4 the ban, hopy shit
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<admin>
I have banned stoutfiles from posting. I would prefer that we discuss the comic rather than his particular view of it.
</admin>
:(
Seems I was his only fan.
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Yes, I knew what soulsynger meant.
Bfrrrrt... believe me, I knew you knew. :-D
Sometimes you kill me with your ramblings, you know that? A toast to you, good sir, and to the olden golden days of blunder and dapper, old chum.
@Admin:
Banned someone from posting because of a controversial view or... ?? What? °.o
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I wouldn't say Padma is promiscuous. It's unknown how long she has been single, and how much time has passed since they met. Taking in account that she's leaving soon, there was little time to 'seal the deal'/spend quality time/assure he's 'the one'.
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I think itŽs not that Stoutfiles' views were in themselves controversial, but rather that they were pretty much always based on general assumptions about the comic and itŽs characters, or imho based on very strongly coloured and debateable personal views.
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Heh, purple boxers.
Heh......Wait......purple boxers? Tries to never get angry?
Oh sweet merciful AI in the sky! MARTEN REED IS REALLY BRUCE BANNER!
Looked like boxer briefs to me, but that doesn't compute since Martin is apparently straight.
The joke is that Bruce Banner, the Incredible Hulk, wore purple pants.
Yes, I got the joke and made a funny of my own.
Straight guys don't wear boxer briefs? Oh man, now I'm all confused about my sexuality.
Just a silly stereotype - maybe an outdated one too.
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stoutflies didn't want to debate; he was just constantly looking for a fight or something to be pissed off about. It was not conducive to what we do in here. Thank you, pwhodges.
Anyhoo....I didn't want Marten to confess to Elliot before, but now that Elliot's brought up the fact that he's cool with them hooking up, he probably should. Think about it, if Marten just walks away now, and Elliot finds out later (and he will, I have no doubt about that), he'll know Marten purposely kept it from him. Either way, I fear for Marten; Elliot might say he's cool with Marty hooking up with Padma, but he might change his mind when he realizes it actually happened (he might even think "She lied to me. She said she wouldn't be with anyone before she left.").
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Banned from posting? Is there another kind of ban around here? :?
Anyway: I see two different ways of understanding the whole "she didn't want to get involved with anyone before she left"
1) She changed her mind after saying that and maybe wants to have fun times with Marten
2) This was just a one-time thing.
I really want to see Marten and Padma together. I think they look cute and it seems like a relationship without hella drama like when he was with Dora.
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You don't troll to the point of pissing off the mods. No excuses.
oh wait--
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Am I the only one hearing Leaving on a jet plane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4hsC0nRvZM&feature=related) throughout this entire storyline?
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Banned from posting? Is there another kind of ban around here? :?
A simple ban prevents logging in at all, and is what I do to spammers and trolls, for instance, and what previous admins have automatically done. In this case I used a ban that prevents posting (and also blocks re-registering another account to get round it) but allows logging in so that the person can continue to get their unread post flags. Bans can also be set for a limited time, so can be used as a temporary punishment - but I have not used this possibility yet, as I don't want to encourage a culture of testing the limits of tolerance which this might lead to.
Today's ban was not for being controversial, which obviously should not be an offence in itself - repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views was the main, but not the sole, basis. I don't believe there was any intent to troll, unlike the previous people whose bans I've instigated.
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P.S.: There is also a way in which I could prevent a person posting just in a specific forum; I can picture circumstances in which that might be used.
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Thanks pwhodges, I was mostly curious about how things work here when it comes to bans and now I know. :)
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Holy pooper scoops! I mean, I was planning on making an observation at some point about how, yes, Jeph is probably joking about writing Marten's happiness out of the comic, but also yes, the reason the joke's so funny is because of the element of truth in it. But nope, turns out he was dead serious.
Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
Now, there is a chance that the drinking got the better of Padma, but again I have to point out that she set up the situation, not Marten. She invited him dancing, and given how much Marten whined about not being able to dance I expect that he tried to opt out but, just like with the camping trip earlier, she wouldn't take no for an answer. And now she'll probably move back to California without ever facing the consequences of how she led Marten on.
EDIT: There's also a chance she changed her mind after her talk with Elliot. We'll have to see I guess. If so I hope she didn't do that while drunk...
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Now, there is a chance that the drinking got the better of Padma, but again I have to point out that she set up the situation, not Marten. She invited him dancing, and given how much Marten whined about not being able to dance I expect that he tried to opt out but, just like with the camping trip earlier, she wouldn't take no for an answer. And now she'll probably move back to California without ever facing the consequences of how she led Marten on.
EDIT: There's also a chance she changed her mind after her talk with Elliot. We'll have to see I guess. If so I hope she didn't do that while drunk...
If a girl told you she was moving away in a couple weeks, what would you expect to happen?
I'm not sure if the best way to approach things is all like, "Oh yeah, this is definitely romantic, monogamous and long-term until we have a conversation in which we outline all the boundaries establishing that this is purely casual." For the sake of my own feelings, I usually do it the other way around.
But yah, I agree with your edit. If it was a drunken decision she didn't seem too unhappy about it. I guess we won't know 'til later tho.
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...and Padma is some sort of town bicycle.
Because everyone rides her?
Gaaaah... you owe the pun jar for that one.
Are you not familiar with the phrase "town bicycle"? It's far from new.
Sorry, new to me!
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Considering the context, it seems possible that Padma's response to Elliot's joke might have been a (possibly misguided) attempt to spare Elliot's feelings/avoid further awkwardness, and not necessarily an accurate indicator of her feelings at the time.
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...snip...
Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
I disagree. There's the whole aspect of consenting adults to consider. She was upfront about going home for a sick relative; she had gotten to know Marten somewhat (townie drama snark aside); she had determined Marten and Steve weren't a gay couple; they went out on a semi-quasi-date (hiking, dancing); they hook up for a night: casual, no promises, no declarations of undying eternal love: what else is there to spell out? A written contract, signed and notarized?
Life is rough, but getting laid does NOT count as rough. And Marten has dealt with worse crap, he'll get over it -- but not without a lot of highly entertaining angst.
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Good point, Matheyus. In which case Marten is suffering from a case of extremely bad luck. Then again, what other kind of luck does he have? :roll:
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In Padma's defense:
Marten knows she's leaving. Padma knows he knows, because she told him. It's possible the two of them are operating on different assumptions about what will happen going forward, but you can't blame either one for the other's assumptions.
Also, I tend to assume people are decent until they prove to me otherwise. Sometimes IRL that process doesn't take long, but still ...
Also, I want to wait to see what happens in the story (as much fun as prognosticating can be).
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Good point, Matheyus. In which case Marten is suffering from a case of extremely bad luck. Then again, what other kind of luck does he have? :roll:
Throughout the history of the comic, Marten has had a whole stream of beautiful women eager to jump his bones if he would just get off his skinny, passive ass and stop always waiting for the woman to make the first move. He just got laid by a beautiful woman who made it very easy for him to get the hint (kiss me you fool), and now you say he has "extremely bad luck" because his romantic notions got deflated a bit?
We should all have such bad luck.
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Welcome new poster. Good first post.
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+1
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Agreed. Can I please have some of Marten's bad luck? Pretty, pretty please?
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Count me in for a slice of that pie.
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mmmmm......curry pie :evil:
please don't ban me next
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You don't want his luck pie. It includes Pintsize as an intergral component, and only Marten has the ability to survive for long in constant proximity to the little guy.
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Or it could be that Pintsize could only survive for so long around people other than Marten. Faye's not the only one who's put dents in his head.
I'm kind of surprised that Padma seems to need defending. For some reason I didn't expect to see slut-shaming around here, though it's bound to pop up everywhere considering the world we live in. I certainly didn't expect to see that kind of talk after one little night of fun between two unattached characters! I've never had that specific kind of fun but I still know that it doesn't have some sort of magical tainting effect on a woman's value as a person, regardless of how much she has or with whom.
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Agree with Matheyus about the context of Padma's remark to Elliot.
And the term some poster used to describe Padma... Not funny. Not cool at all. Not a shred of evidence in support of using that term. I mean, the fleshlight incident brought Pintsize down to all fours, but that is... something much lower. If you utter that term at a bar, the discussion will continue outside.
We have very few clues about what's going on Padma's mind. She may have given a couple of hints about being interested in Marten. Those may have been lost in translation. She is about to leave behind her life of the past couple years minimum (how long does it take to work your way to be the day shift manager? I dunno?). Not voluntarily - out of sense of duty. We can debate, whether her telling Marten about her pending departure will absolve her of all responsibility to Marten's feelings or not, but give her some slack, will you.
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Just so long as Marten doesn't get The Black Spot after Elliot finds out.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
More woman-blaming? Did not Padma explicitly tell Marten that she was leaving town in the immediate future? Yes she did. Did she give even a hint of looking for a long-term relationship? No she didn't. Just why are you daubing the (presumably scarlet) paint only on Padma? If Marten isn't comfortable with a one-night-stand (or at least a short-term, friends-with-benefits type relationship), does he not have some responsibility here? He could have turned down the chance of sex, but instead happily grabbed at it, and was plainly very satisfied. His later moping is his responsibility, not Padma's.
I have to point out that she set up the situation, not Marten. She invited him dancing, and given how much Marten whined about not being able to dance I expect that he tried to opt out but, just like with the camping trip earlier, she wouldn't take no for an answer. And now she'll probably move back to California without ever facing the consequences of how she led Marten on.
Poor helpless Marten. He might be an adult man, but he has no responsibility for his own actions; it's all on Padma. All this "leading him on" occurred after she told him she was leaving town. After she leaves, Marten will have to face the consequences of his own choices.
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...seriously, folks, it's one one-night stand. I mean, "town bicycle"? The hell? She doesn't seem to know Dora, and if she were the "town bicycle," she'd know him through Sven. Argue with that!
(...don't actually argue with that.)
Although it does reflect badly on Marten... if Padma went to the party specifically intending not to sleep with him, got drunk, and did... that's... kinda bad. (Or, more likely, she was lying to spare Elliot's feelings.)
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Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
Now, there is a chance that the drinking got the better of Padma, but again I have to point out that she set up the situation, not Marten. She invited him dancing, and given how much Marten whined about not being able to dance I expect that he tried to opt out but, just like with the camping trip earlier, she wouldn't take no for an answer. And now she'll probably move back to California without ever facing the consequences of how she led Marten on.
EDIT: There's also a chance she changed her mind after her talk with Elliot. We'll have to see I guess. If so I hope she didn't do that while drunk...
Oh dear.
"Not getting involved with anyone" can mean many things. It can mean "not dating seriously", it can mean "not do anything at all", it can mean "bang everyone around because goddamnit all the hot guys live in this city". It varies. Just because you know you're leaving town in a while doesn't mean you have to stay celibate till then. It can be something you say to someone to give them a nice let-down, like "I'm sorry, I'm not planning on getting involved with anyone" instead of saying "Dude. No." As straightforward as Padma can be, since Elliott had just confessed to her, it would have been horribly inappropriate to say anything BUT that (who the hell suggests hookups like that, anyway?). "Oh yes, now that you mention it he is pretty hot" would have broken the poor boy's heart even more.
Padma went dancing to have fun. That thing people like to do, especially when a few months of agony are ahead(because caring for a sick relative is not going to be the fun of her life). She called Marten over because he seemed like a fun guy. After that, she decided that sex with Marten would also be fun. This is not "setting up", this is "going with the flow". Though I am aware that some people do go out precisely to pick up girls, most hookups happen because they felt right at the time. Unless one party is so drunk that they are incapacitated(and neither of them are), that's OK.
What consequences? She showed the boy a good time; the fact that he is unable to comprehend that simple situation denotes his lack of maturity, not her lack of responsibility.
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I'd like to remind people that this ... exchange of bodily fluids was entered into under the influence of alcohol. Under the influence of which most people are not able to make the best judgements.
Padma may have been serious when she told Elliot that she didn't want to get involved with someone, but then got lost in the moment while under he influence.
Marten may well have realized that getting involved with someone leaving wouldn't be good for him emotionally, but then... well, you get the idea.
Then there's the reaction Angus had in the Marigold incident. One part of him was going "WOO!", but he was able to stifle it.
Padma and Marten were not... physical contact can be discombobulating, at the very least. Give someone a passionate kiss, then tell me what I just said.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
See?
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...seriously, folks, it's one one-night stand. I mean, "town bicycle"? The hell? She doesn't seem to know Dora, and if she were the "town bicycle," she'd know him through Sven. Argue with that!
Actually, that's an extremely good point. If anyone deserves the "town bicycle" monicker, it's Sven. There's been absolutely no hint of Padma's past sexual history; to call her out based on one hookup is just flinging the whole archaic 'oh-the-WOMAN-is-the-slut, she-TEMPTED-me' attitude around.
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"repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views was the main, but not the sole, basis. I don't believe there was any intent to troll"
Really?
Really?
You would ban someone for merely having a point of view that differs from the norm? That surprises me, Pwhodges.
I hold views on certain topics that differ from the norm around here but I never would intentionally use them to be disruptive- am I to be banned as well?
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+1 to "If Marten could have just not slept with her if it was so bad for him later."
Men can actually disobey their little head when they want to bad enough. Crazy thought, I know.
She dropped enough hints about not being around for a relationship that to be anymore clear would take a notary public and a couple reams of paper- he chose to proceed anyways. Not her fault. If he knew he wasn't going to get all he wanted out of the exchange, he should have moved on. Doing so saves a lot of heartache and wasted effort.
The only regret he should really have is possibly hurting Elliot's feelings if he finds out; that poor doofus is still going through that silly "Nice Guy" stage that a lot of us get browbeat into us before we learn better.
As far as comparing Padma to Sven:
No.
Sven back before his reform was a classic sleaze, which means I doubt he let something like honesty get in the way of him getting laid. Padma was about as honest as you can get with being so blunt as to be deliberately cruel. Vast world of difference.
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Hi, long time reader, first time poster. Actually, I lurked for a couple days before I signed up too. This built up and just... uh, here:
Ok, so Padma-hate is weird and uncalled for. She seems like a nice lady and not nearly as self-aware as some of the other characters. Jeph trying to recreate his Marigold success with another character whose mental state is structured very differently from most of his female characters, I guess. It's sort of his thing in my mind, letting characters be "themselves" without serving a direct plot function unless they grow into it.
What's really unsettling though is that it seems to translate to a purely gender-motivated thing. Let's be clear, "Slut" is not a gender-specific slur, and as pointed out certainly can be used on guys like Sven with decent accuracy. I've certainly called men and women sluts, both in jest and in seriousness. (Yeah, I'm a judgmental prick, and that's my cross to bear.) If the people who believe Padma is being too easy are making that call because they hate women, I'm not seeing it. It seems to be rooted not in her gender or double standards but in the fact they naturally sympathize with our lovable protagonist Marten, and not the newer character they're less invested in. If Faye had sex with a guy who was leaving town right now, made no promises on either side and then she was left hanging? I'd wager it would be the same people rallying to Faye's side.
Let's not make accusations of sexism, or take the word slut off the table by claiming its discriminatory. Let's also not get too serious about what fictional characters do or do not deserve.
So... yeah. Hi.
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To be fair, EnglishCrunch, I think there was only one person who actually was serious about labellng Padma as a "slut"...
And he's gone now... so... yeah.
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Hello all! I'm new here, as you can see.
I'm seeing the classic Eve v. Mary thing going on here. If you aren't demure, you're obviously a temptress. Slut one of the worst labels that you can put on a woman, and as I woman I know this. The first thing I have to say is even if Padma sleeps around, that doesn't make her a bad person. Honestly, I don't see why you should hate her if she does. It doesn't change her intelligence. Clearly she's been moving up in the ranks at the Secret Bakery. If she wanted to have sex with Marten, why not? You all seem to be complaining about Marten's feelings. Marten is an adult man, and should know that sex doesn't mean anything but sex. Sex only has other meanings if you want it to. If he read too much into it, it's his fault. As others have said, Marten knew what he was doing. He knew Padma was leaving, and he knew that she might never come back. If he assumed that their night together was going to make her stay and date him, quite honestly, he was acting childish.
Whew that was long. Had to get that out.
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I don't think it was so much "just having a different view", but more of "having a viewpoint that a specific gender is somehow less entitled to the same rights/ less human than the other gender" overtones being strongly projected.
Not once was it answered why it was OK for Marten to have a one night stand and not Padma. If anything. Marten has been less ethical, (but not to the point of being unethical) as he has not made as much pains to be as clear as she had about what they were available for.
Edit: And it irritates me to see it done to either gender, which is why it should be realized that Marten had the opportunity and ability to choose not to put himself in a situation that was going to depress him later- or to even be depressed about it at all.* To maintain otherwise to also imply men are less than human as well.
*He got laid with minimal effort and only one situation that would cause him major embarrassment- most of us should only be so lucky.
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Let's not make accusations of sexism, or take the word slut off the table by claiming its discriminatory. Let's also not get too serious about what fictional characters do or do not deserve.
The word slut is not discriminatory. Applying it solely to the the woman in an entirely voluntary "one night stand" is discriminatory and thoroughly sexist in my view, and I will certainly continue to take that seriously.
To be fair, EnglishCrunch, I think there was only one person who actually was serious about labellng Padma as a "slut"...
He was the only one to use the word. The only one to apply the double-standard? Not so much.
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Fair enough Akima. Maybe my sensitivities are at fault here. I stand by opinion, that the only double-standard being applied here is between "long-time and beloved characters" vs. "New and less popular characters".
But I also don't claim that opinion to be a flawless interpretation. Also, I learned a long time ago that as a white male of middle-class upbringing, I'm nearly always wrong on this type of thing.
It's like I was built in a lab out of old PC parts: if it involves empathy and sensitivity toward my fellow man, I'm probably doing it wrong.
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I learned a long time ago that as a white male of middle-class upbringing, I'm nearly always wrong on this type of thing.
Do you really believe that?
Or do you think that everyone ELSE here feels that way? Because that's a pretty potent combination of racism, sexism, and classism all in the space of a single sentence.
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I don't see why people are arguing about town bicycles. I think every town should have some bicycles. They could be rented for an hour at a time and have a large basket in the back to carry purchases and such, and maybe get a few more people out of their cars, especially all the tourists stopping to look at trees like they're an alien invasion. If Padma is advocating something like that, I would be happy to get behind her on it.
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"repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views was the main, but not the sole, basis."
You would ban someone for merely having a point of view that differs from the norm?
How you managed to draw that conclusion from the post pwhodges made is totally beyond my comprehension.
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How you managed to draw that conclusion from the post pwhodges made is totally beyond my comprehension.
Probably because you DELETED the last part of pwhodges quote, eliminating the context of the post. It's easy to be baffled by a statement when you selectively erase relevant portions of that statement.
In any case- I'm sure pwhodges doesn't want to enter a discussion of a specific case beyond what has been said publicly; it's obvious that the moderators agree his action was appropriate and I trust his judgement.
I think that any additional discussion about this might best be discussed in PM or a different topic, as it has ceased to be about the comic and more about posters; that brings it into off-topic territory.
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I don't see why people are arguing about town bicycles. I think every town should have some bicycles. They could be rented for an hour at a time and have a large basket in the back to carry purchases and such, and maybe get a few more people out of their cars, especially all the tourists stopping to look at trees like they're an alien invasion. If Padma is advocating something like that, I would be happy to get behind her on it.
Just so you know, I laughed reading this.
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Ok, I'm a little amazed here. Why is it that A) everyone assumes that people can control their emotions easily, and B) assume that everyone else (aka Padma) should assume the same as well?
Marten did not assume that. He tried backing out of this twice: first by trying to opt out of the camping trip, then by whining about the dance party. Obviously, he didn't want to go, but being the wishy-washy Charlie Brown that he is he let himself get pushed into it*. He knew from square one that things were going to go sour. Meanwhile Padma casually says "I'm leaving soon" and "Wanna dance?", without stopping to think about the mixed signals (and mental whiplash (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2033)) those combined messages says. And let's face it, just saying "I'm leaving soon" does not prevent someone from becoming emotionally attached to you: life is messy and imperfect, something Padma clearly does not understand. Contrary to what most of you obviously believe, not everyone has control over how they feel, and quite frankly I don't think they should. What we do have is control over how react to those feelings.
Look, I already said a while back that none of this completely absolves Marten from accepting the consequences of his drunken stupidity. But he did make an effort to not put himself into this situation, while Padma pushed forward without regard to how other people might eventually feel.
*It is important to note that it wasn't just Padma pushing Marten into this situation. Faye and Steve helped as well, however in Steve's defense Marten was whining about the wrong thing. Marten needs to grow a pair and stand up for himself, otherwise he will continue to get walked on by people like Dora and Padma his entire life. Which is the heart of his bad luck, and unfortunately it is all self-inflicted.
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Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
More woman-blaming? Did not Padma explicitly tell Marten that she was leaving town in the immediate future?
Yes, at least this particular woman. Like I said earlier, telling someone they are leaving soon does not prevent emotional attachments. Anyone that assumes life is that simple is in need of a serious reality check.
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Ok, I'm a little amazed here. Why is it that A) everyone assumes that people can control their emotions easily, and B) assume that everyone else (aka Padma) should assume the same as well?
Marten did not assume that. He tried backing out of this twice: first by trying to opt out of the camping trip, then by whining about the dance party. Obviously, he didn't want to go, but being the wishy-washy Charlie Brown that he is he let himself get pushed into it*. He knew from square one that things were going to go sour. Meanwhile Padma casually says "I'm leaving soon" and "Wanna dance?", without stopping to think about the mixed signals (and mental whiplash (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2033)) those combined messages says. And let's face it, just saying "I'm leaving soon" does not prevent someone from becoming emotionally attached to you: life is messy and imperfect, something Padma clearly does not understand. Contrary to what most of you obviously believe, not everyone has control over how they feel, and quite frankly I don't think they should. What we do have is control over how react to those feelings.
Look, I already said a while back that none of this completely absolves Marten from accepting the consequences of his drunken stupidity. But he did make an effort to not put himself into this situation, while Padma pushed forward without regard to how other people might eventually feel.
*It is important to note that it wasn't just Padma pushing Marten into this situation. Faye and Steve helped as well, however in Steve's defense Marten was whining about the wrong thing. Marten needs to grow a pair and stand up for himself, otherwise he will continue to get walked on by people like Dora and Padma his entire life. Which is the heart of his bad luck, and unfortunately it is all self-inflicted.
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Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
More woman-blaming? Did not Padma explicitly tell Marten that she was leaving town in the immediate future?
Yes, at least this particular woman. Like I said earlier, telling someone they are leaving soon does not prevent emotional attachments. Anyone that assumes life is that simple is in need of a serious reality check.
...Wh...what? :psyduck:
I don't even. This is stupid. This is the stupidest bullshit I have ever read on this forum, guys, all this "PADMA DID WRONG BY MARTEN HERE" stuff. I...how do you make your brains process this drivel? How?
Marten tried backing out twice so he could go mope. It's not like his attraction to her would've gone away! It's not like it would've done anything but caused her last weeks there to be filled with awkward tension and then him moping over "what could've been" when she was gone! If he hadn't gone on the hike or to the dance, he would've had less fun! And for fuck's sake, she didn't seduce him at the apartment!! He has been broadcasting to her "hey Padma I think you are a fine slice of delicious curry business and would be interested in trading genetic material" for almost as long as he's known her!
And...and...the end result is that he had really good sex, and the only Bad Thing is he's going to miss her when she's gone! She even said to call her! She pretty clearly likes him as a person, not just as "dick #1 to hop onto". If she was staying in Northampton, it's 99% likely she'd date him and they'd have a long and fulfilling relationship! But she can't stay, so they're just going to have to settle for having fun in the time they have left, which Marten realizes, it's just hard to come to terms with.
So...so I guess if a lady lets you have amazing sex with her but she has to leave to someplace far away and you regret that she can't stay there with you, that makes her, somehow, a "slut" or deeply in the wrong somehow? Is that really what I'm hearing? Am I on /co/ and I didn't realize it? What is this shit?
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I'm just wondering how many people are going to use the "hot curry" 'joke'.
We get it, she's Indian.
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How you managed to draw that conclusion from the post pwhodges made is totally beyond my comprehension.
Probably because you DELETED the last part of pwhodges quote, eliminating the context of the post. It's easy to be baffled by a statement when you selectively erase relevant portions of that statement.
Just because I didn't quote it all, doesn't mean I didn't read it all. And I wasn't 'baffled', so if you thought so, I'll state it more clearly - there was no justification for your post.
To get back on topic...
Marten did not assume that. He tried backing out of this twice: first by trying to opt out of the camping trip, then by whining about the dance party. Obviously, he didn't want to go, but being the wishy-washy Charlie Brown that he is he let himself get pushed into it*.
His reasons for initially trying to opt out of the camping trip, and for 'whining' about the dance party, were rather different. I think he did want to go to the dance party. He was just nervous because he's not much of a dancer. He initially tried to opt out of the camping trip because Elliot was right there looking upset.
And I don't think that it makes sense to 'heap blame' on Padma (why any blame needs to be given is another topic altogether) for what happened, just because you think Marten is too 'wishy washy' to accept responsibility. That doesn't really make sense.
edit: just reordered some of the words to eliminate possible ambiguity.
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Or he could have said no to the initial invitation to go dancing. It's doable. Hell, I've turned down almost the same exact invitation before.
And I used to be a poster child spineless Nice Guy that moped about his horrible luck with women back then, so yes, even someone like Marten could just actually say no. It is that easy.
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Except he wanted to go?
Actually, he wasn't moping about being invited; he was moping about his lack of dancing ability.
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On a different tangent altogether (pauses for people to say "On a different tangent")...
Notice that the only LTR's we have had so far in our storyline had, as the post-consummation strip, nudity?
Think about it: Dora and Marten's first strip didn't feature the two of them nekkid after their sexy times. Neither did Faye and Sven. We never saw Raven get nekkid with any of her Benjis. And you can just forget about Hannelore.
However, Faye and Angus did get nekkid afterwards, as did Wil and Penelope. They're still together as of this writing.
Maybe Jeph isn't doing it intentionally, but I'm thinking that he does draw a couple he doesn't plan on making into a LTR either clothed or covered up by sheets/whatever after they "do the deed."
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Except he wanted to go?
Actually, he wasn't moping about being invited; he was moping about his lack of dancing ability.
...Oh God, he was. :psyduck: He was complaining because he was afraid he'd do something to look unattractive in the eyes of the girl he's attracted to. Which confirms my wild crackpot theory that he was attracted to Padma the entire time! JEEPERS.
Heeeeeere's another thing to consider-- while it sounds like Padma wants nothing further to do with Marty after what she said to Elliot, remember that this is filtered through Elliot, a man she is explicitly unattracted to with whom her relationship right now is somewhere between Awkward and Soul-Destroyingly Awkward. What if part of the reason she sounds so thoroughly blow-off-ish is because she doesn't want said enormous looming idiot to get the wrong idea, or thinks he's making passive-aggressive jabs at her ("why don't you go fuck Marten then?!" could have easily been what she heard, not "I think you should have a nice time with this boy you clearly like").
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Just because I didn't quote it all, doesn't mean I didn't read it all. And I wasn't 'baffled'
And I quote: "How you managed to draw that conclusion from the post pwhodges made is totally beyond my comprehension."
I love people who pretend they can't read a post. PW clearly stated that he didn't "believe there was any intent to troll"- that the ban was a result instead of "repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views". This would mean that stoutfiles was banned for the entirely unintentional occurrence of having views (the "unacceptable sexist views") that differed significantly from the viewpoint of the group.
there was no justification for your post.
You know, it makes sense to me now that a muppet would be your main avatar.
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I love people who pretend they can't read a post. PW clearly stated that he didn't "believe there was any intent to troll"- that the ban was a result instead of "repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views". This would mean that stoutfiles was banned for the entirely unintentional occurrence of having views (the "unacceptable sexist views") that differed significantly from the viewpoint of the group.
/sigh
He was banned because his views were unacceptably sexist, not because they were different.
It's not complicated.
And, I forgot to add, repeated in spite of knowing they were inflammatory.
And other reasons we don't know about.
Final edit, this time for sure: Oh and he's not a muppet, he's a WOMBLE. Sheesh. Where's your knowledge of the classics? ;p
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He was banned because his views were unacceptably sexist, not because they were different.
Unacceptably sexist to you. To me. To pwhodges. Heck, from what it seemed like to the group.
And yet-
Culturally the concept of "unacceptably sexist" is simply nothing but a different worldview, a different viewpoint. So there you go.
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Just because I didn't quote it all, doesn't mean I didn't read it all. And I wasn't 'baffled'
And I quote: "How you managed to draw that conclusion from the post pwhodges made is totally beyond my comprehension."
I love people who pretend they can't read a post. PW clearly stated that he didn't "believe there was any intent to troll"- that the ban was a result instead of "repeated expression of unacceptable sexist views". This would mean that stoutfiles was banned for the entirely unintentional occurrence of having views (the "unacceptable sexist views") that differed significantly from the viewpoint of the group.
there was no justification for your post.
You know, it makes sense to me now that a muppet would be your main avatar.
Oh for fuck's sake. :mrgreen: Yes, stoutfiles was banned for his viewpoints, because his viewpoints were sexist. It's much like how if someone came in here and started slinging crap about Padma based on her race, or Tai for her sexual orientation, they would also get fucking banned and the admin would be correct to ban them.
If you feel so strongly that stoutfiles was right I suggest you join him in exile.
EDIT: CULTURALLY THE CONCEPT OF "UNACCEPTABLY RACIST" IS ALSO NOTHING BUT A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT. YET NO ONE IS GOING TO TOLERATE IT BECAUSE THE VIEWPOINT IS REPUGNANT. DO YOU GET IT YET.
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Culturally the concept of "unacceptably sexist" is simply nothing but a different worldview, a different viewpoint. So there you go.
Yes, I'm sure you could say that about quite a lot of 'different' viewpoints.
The point is that it was clearly inflammatory, and almost caused a riot on the forums when he first posted it. He was probably even spoken to about it behind the scenes. Note, he didn't get banned for that at that point.
He got banned when he posted it again, when it obviously would have known by that point how inflammatory that view was. And when he really didn't need to - his views by that point were well known. To post it again was needlessly provocative.
My point is that people don't get banned merely for having a different viewpoint. Look, here - I'll post a viewpoint different from that of pwhodges. In repeating a viewpoint he knew to be inflammatory, IMHO he was trolling.
Let's see if I get banned.
I don't think I will, though.
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Except he wanted to go?
Actually, he wasn't moping about being invited; he was moping about his lack of dancing ability.
And he still could have turned it down on the basis of lack of dancing ability. Attraction does not make one a slave to the invitations of the person whom one is attracted to.
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I don't see why people are arguing about town bicycles. I think every town should have some bicycles. They could be rented for an hour at a time and have a large basket in the back to carry purchases and such, and maybe get a few more people out of their cars, especially all the tourists stopping to look at trees like they're an alien invasion. If Padma is advocating something like that, I would be happy to get behind her on it.
Just so you know, I laughed reading this.
I figured the thread required some levity. Some of the people chatting right now need a mustache ride. :{
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Sorry everyone for the hijack...
And he still could have turned it down on the basis of lack of dancing ability. Attraction does not make one a slave to the invitations of the person whom one is attracted to.
Yeah, he could have. It would have been kind of silly in my opinion, but he could have. He didn't. I think it's a stretch to say that makes him a slave to his emotions.
To introduce a different topic: what do people think are the odds of this being the start of a long distance relationship?
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Hmm, normally I'd say 50%, but given that Padma has not specifically said anything about being interested even though she is leaving, I would say <25%.
And even if Marten wants to bother trying instead of just moving on.....
Edit: I can understand why some would think it would be silly to turn down an invitation like that, but I'm just one of those weirdos that doesn't bother attending things where it is unlikely for me to have fun by myself- because I won't expect that others will provide that for me.
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Sorry everyone for the hijack...
Actually, you made some very good points in your last post. I suppose we could have had the discussion over PM, but I appreciate the time and effort you took in proving your side of things.
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Ok, I'm a little amazed here. Why is it that A) everyone assumes that people can control their emotions easily,
Because we're human?
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RAGH, HULK SMASH!!
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Hmm, normally I'd say 50%, but given that Padma has not specifically said anything about being interested even though she is leaving, I would say <25%.
And even if Marten wants to bother trying instead of just moving on.....
The interesting thing about the whole situation is that we really don't know all that well what Padma is thinking. Not that we really know what Marten is thinking either, but I think almost all of our exposure to Padma has been through Marten's eyes (could be wrong - I don't have the archive-fu that some have around here). And even that is presumably only select portions of their interactions.
So she is still fairly mysterious to us.
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So she is still fairly mysterious to us.
And unless Jeph figures out a way to
a: bring her back from so far away
or
b: reasonably figure out a way to include a long distance relationship in there...
she may stay mysterious...
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Inscrutable (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InscrutableOriental), even.
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I realize it's super, super, super late.... but I called it (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27418.msg1057090.html#msg1057090).
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Am I the only one hearing Leaving on a jet plane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4hsC0nRvZM&feature=related) throughout this entire storyline?
Yes. It did cross my so-called mind, but then I realized it doesn't in the least apply, since Padma's doesn't seem the regretful type, and the song's not from Marten's POV.
Just for my two cents, I doubt what Elliot did or didn't say has anything to do with Padma sleeping with Marten. I doubt she paid any attention. I mean, why start now?
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And this "whole stream of beautiful women..." - that'll be Dora, Padma, .... er.... (OK, Cosette asked him out - *while he was in a relationship*).
Tai expressed envy over Marten's ability to get coeds hitting on him.
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He's a skinny, slightly "olde" indie guy working in the library of an all-women college. Every straight girl on campus who spent any time in the library at all would be hitting on him!
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And this "whole stream of beautiful women..." - that'll be Dora, Padma, .... er.... (OK, Cosette asked him out - *while he was in a relationship*).
Tai expressed envy over Marten's ability to get coeds hitting on him.
I thought she was envious that he could snag hot girls period? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1695)
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Do you know what I see? Marten just broke up. Padma is leaving. They had fun, got drunk. What mental transactions happened led to this, which shouldn't be a big surprise. HELL, Padma may be having the same reaction he is, or just cruising along, which both are fine. She is suffering a bit to - no one likes to uproot themselves and leave, even for a good cause, there is still a sag. They were down, had fun, then had sex, and we have just started to see one side of the fallout. Marten feels terrible - that's his character. He might even go to angsty mode for a week or month of comics, ut then he'll find out, hey, it wasn't bad, and what made it happen and be fine with it. We must wait, and see, not name call. :angel:
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[ ... ] I've never had that specific kind of fun but I still know that it doesn't have some sort of magical tainting effect on a woman's value as a person, regardless of how much she has or with whom.
Oooph... compare that point of view with that of the general public opinion about girls that do one-night-stands. Prepare to be surprised.
I hope we're all done condemning either Marten or Padma now and can - after today's comic - finally go back to being utterly clueless - yet again - about anything going on in the comic character's heads. :-D
(Or move on to blaming Angus for going away leaving Faye to spend her emotionally distressed extrovertism on getting Padma and Marten on a sofa together...or better yet, lets blame Dora for breaking up with Marten because of insecurities!)
Please don't hit me... again.
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It amuses me to see cries of "poor Marten" and "how could she" here. I think they miss the point.
He's in his early-mid 20s. He's somewhat inexperienced, having had two relationships and one 1-night stand (that I remember... any archivists want to show a significant difference in his depth of relationship experience? I'm happy to amend).
I say he's due for some more formative experiences, some of which he will enjoy, some of which will hurt him, some both, but all of which will Develop His Character.
It's interesting not as a question of what things are "good" or "bad" to happen to him but rather what *will* happen to him and how he will react. The "What do you want.. A cheeseburger, then a haircut" speech to me signaled him moving to a place of being ready to venture out and have these kinds of experiences. He happened across an attractive, liberated, somewhat clueless, but unapologetically sexually aggressive person and found himself able to work the situation in ways he might not have been capable of before.
He needs stuff like Padma to happen to him so he can gain perspective (read: grow up). I encourage the "poor Marten" crowd to enjoy the journey here, not try to second-guess the destination or the roads being chosen. Of course, then traffic on the forums would drop to nothing... maybe we can get idug to post more caption contests.
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Oooph... compare that point of view with that of the general public opinion about girls that do one-night-stands.
If this forum were representative of the general populace, we'd be just barely over homophobia, illiterate in pretty much every thing that matters to the way the world works/ will develop, favor opinions over facts, disbelieve that global warming is happening or that evolution is true, think free healthcare is communist, and believe God has a direct and personal connection with us, so praying for him to favor you for a promotion or thanking him for your team winning a game totally makes sense.
We are not the general public, and mostly okay with people fucking each other without necessarily committing to a relationship, is what I'm saying.
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He's in his early-mid 20s. He's somewhat inexperienced, having had two relationships and one 1-night stand (that I remember... any archivists want to show a significant difference in his depth of relationship experience? I'm happy to amend).
There is a comic where he mentioned more than one other girlfriend before Dora. I'm not an archivist though so I can't find it in five seconds.
EDIT: Found something.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=755 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=755) <===They're all crazy. Personally I think that would imply at least 3 pre-Dora. With two it would have made more sense to say They're both crazy.
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The general public opinion ain't gonna change by accepting it because it's the general public opinion.
Just sayin'.
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He's in his early-mid 20s. He's somewhat inexperienced, having had two relationships and one 1-night stand (that I remember... any archivists want to show a significant difference in his depth of relationship experience? I'm happy to amend).
There is a comic where he mentioned more than one other girlfriend before Dora. I'm not an archivist though so I can't find it in five seconds.
EDIT: Found something.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=755 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=755) <===They're all crazy.
Pfft I just wanted to post that.
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Oooph... compare that point of view with that of the general public opinion about girls that do one-night-stands.
If this forum were representative of the general populace, we'd be just barely over homophobia, illiterate in pretty much every thing that matters to the way the world works/ will develop, favor opinions over facts, disbelieve that global warming is happening or that evolution is true, think free healthcare is communist, and believe God has a direct and personal connection with us, so praying for him to favor you for a promotion or thanking him for your team winning a game totally makes sense.
We are not the general public, and mostly okay with people fucking each other without necessarily committing to a relationship, is what I'm saying.
Now don't get worked up over nothing. With "general public" I didn't mean the common opinion forming mass collected in this forum. I actually meant the general public of the American/European population. (Dunno about all the others' opinions about girls that like one-night-stands. I'm here to learn.)
As far as I know, even in Germany, most groups of people large enough develop the interesting assumption that all girls who have sex with relative "strangers" on a "regular" basis are sluts and/or are "whoring themselves out".
This is not my opinion and not necessarily a representative observation.
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JEPH! Comic! The crowd is starting to devour each other. :roll:
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I could have sworn Marten was in his mid thirties, which was why he's always so mopey about what he's doing in life and how much he's accomplished and stuff.
He's in his early-mid-twenties? Damn. How does one come to be so world-wearly at such a young age? What, did something sneak up on him in the night and drain him of his wonderlust?
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All his past relationships were highschool relationships though(IIRC about 4), so not the epitome of mature relationships.
Except Vicky(?), and we know how that ended, and Dora. Though I think Vicky was the first one he actually had sex with. So yeah, he's not the most experienced of people.
Soulsynger: You'd be surprised. I've been world-weary since I was 18. Some people are just like that I guess.
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He mentions in this tumblr pos (http://jephjacques.com/post/11019116861/qa-dump-07)t that marten and faye are 24-25... so more "mid" than "early"... but yeah, def. not 30s
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Now don't get worked up over nothing. With "general public" I didn't mean the common opinion forming mass collected in this forum. I actually meant the general public of the American/European population.
I wasn't getting worked up (in fact, I was trying to phrase it to be vaguely witty), and I knew you were talking about the general public (that's kind of hard to misinterpret); I was noting that we are not the general public.
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The general public opinion ain't gonna change by accepting it because it's the general public opinion.
I sigh when I see and hear people criticising schools because "no less than half their children are below average"! Well, duh!
How does one come to be so world-wearly at such a young age?
It's an extension of teenage angst.
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Dang, look what happens to the WCDT when I'm away from my computer for a couple of days. This is insanity.
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How does one come to be so world-wearly at such a young age?
It's an extension of teenage angst.
He's probably still working the "office bitch" out of his system too--it's only been a couple of years comic time...
(not trying to bag on people who have to work at office jobs for a living, but that is how Marten viewed that job for himself)
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All his past relationships were highschool relationships though(IIRC about 4), so not the epitome of mature relationships.
Except Vicky(?), and we know how that ended, and Dora. Though I think Vicky was the first one he actually had sex with. So yeah, he's not the most experienced of people.
Did it say anywhere that the others were all high school? He didn't meet Vicky until the last semester of college according to the QC wiki, and that leaves plenty of time in college for relationships.
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Now don't get worked up over nothing. With "general public" I didn't mean the common opinion forming mass collected in this forum. I actually meant the general public of the American/European population.
I wasn't getting worked up (in fact, I was trying to phrase it to be vaguely witty), and I knew you were talking about the general public (that's kind of hard to misinterpret); I was noting that we are not the general public.
Damn the internet! When will we be able to convey tone through pixels. ><
But at least I got what you were trying to say... I still don't know why anyone would ever think of a forum's userbase as some kind of "general anything" :-D
Dang, look what happens to the WCDT when I'm away from my computer for a couple of days. This is insanity.
You're to blame for our insanity! Yesssssssss! Shoving circle!
All his past relationships were highschool relationships though(IIRC about 4), so not the epitome of mature relationships.
Except Vicky(?), and we know how that ended, and Dora. Though I think Vicky was the first one he actually had sex with. So yeah, he's not the most experienced of people.
You can actually deduce his inexperienced-ness in relationships from how he handled any and all of his more recent ones. No person past a certain point of experience would explode into a nervous love-of-life-expecting wrecking train headed for the next sneak-level on a first person shooter like that. (This analogy actually makes sense. Think about it. ... )
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wearing underwear with writing on it does NOT mean it's "meant to be seen."
oh, and i'm calling "bull" here. if a tree falls in a forest, and there's no one around to read "SASSY" printed in big pink varsity letters on the tree's ass ... is that ass still sassy?
I'm wearing royal blue undies with black lace right now, and a matching satin bra with a little bow on it. (Kinda like this (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/WOMENS-BLUE-AQUA-BLACK-LACE-MOLDED-BRA-PANTY-SET-2345-/01/!B91bEog!2k~$(KGrHqMOKp!Ey+jC058cBM68+0Fu9w~~0_35.JPG).) And I can assure you no one will be seeing me tonight, because my big evening plans include watching "Ringer,"
paying my bills, and cleaning my room. But pretty much all my underthings look like this because yes, they make me feel sassy. Heck, sometimes part of the thrill is that no one knows I'm wearing awesome cute underwear except for me.
I know this is a few days late, but I'm totally with you on your view on women's undergarments. I wear a lot of really cute undies and I would to be able to wear super cute bras (I have a hard time finding ones that aren't plain unless they cost 60-70 dollars due to my cup size) all the time. I'm single, I'm a virgin, and I live with my parents. No one is seeing my undies but me. But that doesn't mean I have to wear plain undies. I have undies that have things written on the butt (I don't think any of them actually say 'sassy' though :-P). I like them. I like pretty things. I feel pretty when I wear pretty things. Just because no one is going to see them doesn't mean I can't enjoy them. And that is most decidedly not bullshit. Like JackFaerie said in her first post, it can be a confidence boost and sometimes part of the thrill is knowing I'm the only one who knows what's underneath.
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I wasn't getting worked up (in fact, I was trying to phrase it to be vaguely witty), and I knew you were talking about the general public (that's kind of hard to misinterpret); I was noting that we are not the general public.
You mean "you".
One would wager that quite a bit of that "general public" visits the comic and enjoys it as well, as well as pops in and out of the forum. Quite rather, in fact, if the only ones that went on here were limited to the strict and rigid limitations you proscribe, that would be a rather boring populace.
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I could have sworn Marten was in his mid thirties, which was why he's always so mopey about what he's doing in life and how much he's accomplished and stuff.
He's in his early-mid-twenties? Damn. How does one come to be so world-wearly at such a young age? What, did something sneak up on him in the night and drain him of his wonderlust?
Hu ? I had doubts about my life goals back when I was 13 ... I fail to see why you need to be 30+ to think about your life.
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@AnAverageWriter:
Why? Why are you pushing this?
I think I may have made a mistake in my phrasing- I never intended to connect the prior conversation with the one I am having with Westrim. I'm certainly not trying to push anything. I was quite simply pointing out that the entire populace that visits the site and forum doesn't proscribe to the very limited "we are this" conventions he labelled everyone with. None of us endorse racial slurs, bigotry or the "s-word". I apologize if I came across the wrong way.
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Ah.
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Damn the internet! When will we be able to convey tone through pixels. ><
But at least I got what you were trying to say... I still don't know why anyone would ever think of a forum's userbase as some kind of "general anything" :-D
I'm waiting for the day when we can write and read via brain interfaces.
One would wager that quite a bit of that "general public" visits the comic and enjoys it as well, as well as pops in and out of the forum. Quite rather, in fact, if the only ones that went on here were limited to the strict and rigid limitations you proscribe, that would be a rather boring populace.
No, I mean 'we', due to observation of past discussions, demographics, what we're reading, and a hunch. I would be much surprised if a majority of the forum (if we somehow conducted a poll of everyone that's come here, past and present) shared any of the views noted as being those of the majority of the population. Except the illiteracy one, that's depressingly widespread.
@AnAverageWriter:
Why? Why are you pushing this?
You should check a persons previous posts before making claims about their past behavior.
For some reason my writing tonight seems extremely dry to me. Maybe I'm just tired. It's probably from riding too long on the town bicycle. (I propose a mustache tag for every comment with innuendo, as follows :{ )
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@Comic:
So... basically, Marten just has a problem with her leaving? ... jeeeeeeeeeeeeez, what a drama-queen.
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And Faye is right to call him an idiot.
Also, will Marten now have to do the thing with Hanners, since there is no ready male available? Awkward. °O
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But what is Hanners reacting to anyway? I can't see any reason for her to be saying AUGH; even Pintsize's antics at this point appear to be as innocent as he is capable of.
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Shes reacting to pintsize throwing sprinklethings in the air.
Also... I'd expected more from Faye then that.
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This particular scene back at the apartment just started and you seem to think it's over already. Give it time; Jeph's a slow-paced storyteller.
Oh, Marten. But I love his "I KNOW" in the last panel :lol:
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I propose a mustache tag for every comment with innuendo, as follows :{
I like it!
You can also add a goatee. :{>
Or a little gnome hat. <:{>
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Marten's expression on the "Boobs!!!" panel made my day, I'd buy a big print of that, frame it and hang it on my house living room.
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Shes reacting to pintsize throwing sprinklethings in the air.
Even for Hanners that seems a bit over-sensitive.
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Oh, Marten. But I love his "I KNOW" in the last panel :lol:
Yep, that made the comic.
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I thought she was reacting to the Arbor day banner and the balloons (assuming that's what the ribbons are attached to). Is that meant to be an indication of what the day is in QCverse, or is it just a random banner Pintsize had (and how did he get it up there?)
I propose a mustache tag for every comment with innuendo, as follows :{
I like it!
You can also add a goatee. :{>
Or a little gnome hat. <:{>
And if it costs money, then :{$
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I could have sworn Marten was in his mid thirties, which was why he's always so mopey about what he's doing in life and how much he's accomplished and stuff.
He's in his early-mid-twenties? Damn. How does one come to be so world-wearly at such a young age? What, did something sneak up on him in the night and drain him of his wonderlust?
Hu ? I had doubts about my life goals back when I was 13 ... I fail to see why you need to be 30+ to think about your life.
Thinking about life, having doubts for sure. Just seems a little young to be flatout defeated by life. He's like a walking Toby Kieth playlist.
"I Love this bar"
"Should've been a cowboy"
"Woman's touch"
"Ain't as good as I once was"
"We Were in love"
And then where even the most forlorn soul would move on to "Big ol' Truck" and then "How do you like me now", he just loops back to "I love this bar" and starts over again.
Not saying his behavior is unrealistic or anything. I'd view it as a tad atypical, but he's always been that and that's a good thing. It just really changes the way I see him to find out he is the way he is at such a young age. Turns what I'd previously assumed to be the product of half a lifetime of crushing failure leading into a dead end devoid of hope or opportunity into another kind of issue entirely.
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Marten, you described Padma's boobs as "rad"...
...I'd slap you, but you're apparently trapped in the year 1988. :-P
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I thought she was reacting to the Arbor day banner and the balloons (assuming that's what the ribbons are attached to). Is that meant to be an indication of what the day is in QCverse, or is it just a random banner Pintsize had (and how did he get it up there?)
Same random banner that he pulled out for Faye and Angus. As for how, there were a couple of early comics in which Pintsize walked (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=90) on the ceiling (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=91).
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The banner is a reference to comic 1889 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1889). Jeph loves his call-backs.
As for the rest of the strip, all I will say is that for many people there is more to life than just good sex and rad boobs, and Marten seems to be one of those people. And there is nothing wrong with that IMHO.
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Shes reacting to pintsize throwing sprinklethings in the air.
Even for Hanners that seems a bit over-sensitive.
She probably saw what he made the confetti out of.. :psyduck:
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Shes reacting to pintsize throwing sprinklethings in the air.
Even for Hanners that seems a bit over-sensitive.
She probably saw what he made the confetti out of.. :psyduck:
Or she's thinking about Marten and Padma sexing that scares her... But I don't think so.
Edit: or she just walked in and got jumbled up.
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For comic #2060...
1. Art-wise, I liked Jeph's "seesaw" of Marten's commentary.
2. Poor Marten, he should have stopped at "BOOBS!" (of which panel #5 also made me laugh too), or possibly "rad boobs." But yes, I agree with Faye being correct in Marten being an idiot for overthinking this.
3. @pwhodges... Panel #7 also made me wonder as well. I am guessing Hannelore's "AUGH" reaction is from the confetti being scattered and causing a hard-to-clean mess.
4. Again, it appears the couch is very low &/or close to the floor from the way their legs & feet are positioned. But that could just be my weary eyes and mind.
5. I too approve of the moustache tag :{ , we need an emoticon with one. Preferably with Yosemite Sam level "handlebar" moustaches.
6. And this is not insanity...
- THIS...IS...SPARTA! *kicks musicalsoul*
- [to off-screen]: What? This is not Sparta...? It is the QC-WCDT...?
- [to screen]: I guess this is insanity after all. [calls out] Fetch me my green straight-jacket and #2 ball-gag!
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(4.) Some couches are that low. I've got one, and know others who have similar.
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Hannelore was startled by Pintsize. He might've been loud or unexpected. Yeah it's uncharacteristically jumpy for her but hey, it's hanners. Her character isn't exactly consistant.
How do we know that Padma is not sitting at her place right now agonising over exactly the same thing? Happy that she got a booty call, but now even more depressed about her impending departure? Most probably not, since her lackadaisical approach to just about everything we've seen so far suggests she's not exactly one to overthink situations, but her next strip appearance will be interesting.
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Amazingly, it's not that it hit him after walking her home. Apparantly it was hitting him the whole time they were hitting it off...
I can't imagine that constantly going back to it, he had that good a time.
Or that they didn't talk about it at least a little that morning. Like when Padma said, "What?"
Dude, she left you an opening. Take it. Talk to her for a few. Tell her what's in your head. 'cause it's probably in hers, too.
And pillowtalk is a good great way to get to know your new friend better.
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Wait - is Faye saying to Marten "you're an idiot for hooking up with her" or "you're an idiot for feeling this way about the hookup"? Everyone but Marten seemed (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2014) to be keen (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2025) on Marten-Padma sexy-times.
Oh, and surprise - Marten's bags are back.
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As for the rest of the strip, all I will say is that for many people there is more to life than just good sex and rad boobs, and Marten seems to be one of those people. And there is nothing wrong with that IMHO.
I would say there is more to life than just good sex and rad boobs, no matter who you are. There is only the people who have realized this and those who have not - with Marten right now somewhere in between. That's my view, at least.
Too bad we didn't get to see any pillowtalk. They must have talked about something, right?
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We saw some...
"Your boobs are amazing"
"I know, right?"
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Glad to see Marten being self-aware enough to realize he's being an idiot. And he didn't even need to get slapped for it this time!
It'll be interesting to see how their eventually phone call will go. So much speculation going on about Padma that it's hard to predict what will happen. (Although I'm still pretty certain there was no malintent behind it.)
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Let's not forget that Faye and Angus still have unresolved issues.
I have a feeling that the next few weeks of QC are going to have content that is unusually questionable. :{
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We saw some...
"Your boobs are amazing"
"I know, right?"
Well, yes, but that was before sleep. I'm guessing the morning makes for more interesting talk. (guessing, since I haven't tried it myself yet)
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A party is cause for a one-night stand. Not the other way around.
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Aaaand our indecisive wishywashy hero is back. Now I'll just have to make up -my own- mind, should the reaction for this be "D'aww" or "D'oh!". Can't really decide yet. (in retrospect, the title was damn fitting..)
Probably a lil' bit of both. The fact that Padma is leaving wasn't a suprise to him, but he chose to make some kind of effort nevertheless, and it resulted in sexytimes. I think this was the first time (totally not sure about this one, someone with better archieve-fu check) he decided to live in the moment and consequences be damned.
Personally, I hope that we would see more of Padma in the future.
As for the debate about their one-night stand.... :psyduck: oh.. my.. god.. :psyduck:
Both knew what they were doing (more or less :P ), and no-one got hurt (random mopery next morning doesn't count :roll: ) , I'd say just the opposite.. :evil:
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D'oww! (?)
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[ ... ] So much speculation going on about Padma that it's hard to predict what will happen. (Although I'm still pretty certain there was no malintent behind it.)
Which, if it turns out to be correct, will be a huge bummer for everyone looking for a good old antagonist-protagonist situation in this comic. :-P
Also, I think the whole "Your boobs are amazing" conversation was placed there by Jeph to convey to the reader that it IS NOT an awkward one-night-stand.
(I had one of those awkward ones one time. It got much better eventually but the beginning of the next morning was very, very silently awkward. So it does not make for more interesting talk.)
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"But she's leaving" somehow sounds to me like "But I can never make her stay." ... poor guy.
Yet another girl he can't profess his undying love to because of external circumstances out of his control. (See: Faye, Tequila Monster)
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Yay, 200!
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Also, I think the whole "Your boobs are amazing" conversation was placed there by Jeph to convey to the reader that it IS NOT an awkward one-night-stand.
Gotta agree on this one. The prime example of awkward could the discussion between Marten and Elliot. (thou the context is quite different, the awkwardness is almost touchable :-D )
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Ladies and gentlemen and those yet undecided(*), I give you: "BOOBS!" (http://oi40.tinypic.com/2q1zzib.jpg) (SFW)
* Disclaimer: courtesy of my old English teacher. No offense intended.
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Good edit, Loki. I'd just suggest changing Pintsize's line as well.
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[ ... ] I've never had that specific kind of fun but I still know that it doesn't have some sort of magical tainting effect on a woman's value as a person, regardless of how much she has or with whom.
Oooph... compare that point of view with that of the general public opinion about girls that do one-night-stands. Prepare to be surprised.
Surprised? Umkay. Have I magically grown to adulthood without having any contact with or awareness of the general public, then? The general public is content to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" or "bad," sees no issue with a white person appropriating some mish-mash of Native American cultural dress and calling it a "drunken Indian" costume, will not only condemn a woman for having consensual sex, but blame her for being raped as well - and honestly, listing all the ways the general public has things wrong is not worth anyone's time. Nor is acting like the archaic, prejudiced, backward thinking of large swaths of society somehow has any bearing on the inherent value of a person or that the views of the majority must hold some kind of sway over my own.
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Happy Arbor Day 2003, y'all!
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The "BOOBS!" panel looks like it's been altered when viewed out of context, lol! Like you'd ask, "Okay, what was Marten really saying there?"
Over-under on how long it takes for that panel to get removed from its context and handed around the internet? Or has that technically already happened? I see that more as multiplication, maybe a non-hostile take-over of the strip.
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[ ... ]Nor is acting like the archaic, prejudiced, backward thinking of large swaths of society somehow has any bearing on the inherent value of a person or that the views of the majority must hold some kind of sway over my own.
So glad to hear you say that. (...read you having typed that ... wha? °O)
Wasn't my intention to accuse you of accepting any general opinion as your own. No hard ones? (Feelings.)
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Ha, I get confused about the heard/seen/read thing, too. Colloquialism or accuracy? Which wins?? :psyduck:
No hard feelings.
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The general public is content to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" or "bad," sees no issue with a white person appropriating some mish-mash of Native American cultural dress and calling it a "drunken Indian" costume, will not only condemn a woman for having consensual sex, but blame her for being raped as well
That's one pretty damn awful general public you've been subjected to. I would imagine our encounters with said general differ depending on our location. You around the Southern US perhaps?
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Marten, you described Padma's boobs as "rad"...
...I'd slap you, but you're apparently trapped in the year 1988. :-P
So... my students won't think highly of me, if I pull off this (http://spikedmath.com/318.html) :cry: :cry:
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I doubt she paid any attention. I mean, why start now?
Quote of the year right 'chere.
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The general public is content to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" or "bad," sees no issue with a white person appropriating some mish-mash of Native American cultural dress and calling it a "drunken Indian" costume, will not only condemn a woman for having consensual sex, but blame her for being raped as well
That's one pretty damn awful general public you've been subjected to. I would imagine our encounters with said general differ depending on our location. You around the Southern US perhaps?
Hardly. Attitudes like that can be found all over. There was a stink last year, and rightfully so, when the "best costume" prize at a Campbellford, Ontario Halloween party was won by a man in a KKK costume and his friend in blackface, who was led around by a rope as his slave. Gay as a synonym for weak etc. is common up here. Etc. etc.
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Back to actual comic talk. I would imagine Hannelore is not a big fan of confetti, especially in her personal space. The stuff flies all over the place, gets stuck on clothing and shoes, and bits problably turn up weeks or months after you thought you got it all. And we all know about her obsessive nature, so those kind of factors would probably really bother her.
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Back to actual comic talk. I would imagine Hannelore is not a big fan of confetti, especially in her personal space. The stuff flies all over the place, gets stuck on clothing and shoes, and bits problably turn up weeks or months after you thought you got it all. And we all know about her obsessive nature, so those kind of factors would probably really bother her.
I believe it's glitter that's gonorrhea, so is confetti chlamydia?
EDIT: No, glitter is the herpes of arts and crafts. I guess I just alliterated it to another STD.
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Ew, where did that come from? On second thoughts, don't tell me...
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Marten, you described Padma's boobs as "rad"...
...I'd slap you, but you're apparently trapped in the year 1988. :-P
What's wrong with saying, rad? I think it sounds rad.
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Usually I sympathize with Marten and find his angst funny and/or understandable, but my first reaction to #2060 was, "God DAMN IT Marten, don't look gift boobs in the mouth!"
Also, from Jeph's tumbldump:
[fan question] wow, I actualy already lived todays comic(2059) from elioths point of view
did that situation ever happend to you from any of the caracters perspective?
[Jeph] Ive been in Martens current situation before.
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I am starting to feel bad for Marten, so I made this.
(http://www.abload.de/thumb/qc2060spinhff57.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=qc2060spinhff57.jpg)
I am NOT proud of myself.
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Usually I sympathize with Marten and find his angst funny and/or understandable, but my first reaction to #2060 was, "God DAMN IT Marten, don't look gift boobs in the mouth!"
o_O ... I think I saw that in one of the Lucifer comics. Or perhaps Sandman: Season of mists.
Oh, and Hanners is just having trouble counting the confetti. 8-)
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Okay, while I agree stoutfiles does get carried away with his accusations sometimes, the point he's trying to make is looking sharper and sharper all the time. Let's face it, this does not paint Padma in a good light. According to Elliot, she specifically said she doesn't want to get involved with anyone before she left. So what does she do? Hook up with Marten for a one-night stand, without first making sure he's comfortable with a one-night stand. And as it turns out he isn't.
Despite the "underwear clue" I honestly feel that this was a spontaneous thing. Both Padma and Marten had probably been considering the possibility, but neither of them planned it ahead of time. You don't stop in the middle of spontaneous, drunken make-outs to make sure that the other person is comfortable with this being a one-time thing. Perhaps that would be the "appropriate" thing to do, but it isn't the most realistic thing.
I fail to see the whole "Padma is an evil slut who is taking advantage of nice ol' Marten" angle that is being suggested.*
*I know you didn't actually call her a slut. I'm being hyperbolic.
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Usually I sympathize with Marten and find his angst funny and/or understandable, but my first reaction to #2060 was, "God DAMN IT Marten, don't look gift boobs in the mouth!"
Some people are made for possible one-night-no-strings-attached things, others are not.
He clearly isn't made for that kind of thing. He probably won't do that again.
I'm not either, but I know that so I never did that. Monogamous long term relationships, fuck yeah.
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Someone in a previous thread had posted about Marten's ability to 'do casual' / have casual sex. Guess this answers the question. Some guys just can't have the sex without a certain emotional attachment to the partner...
But, again, consenting adults. Do the deed, deal with the consequences, same as everyone else.
...y'know, there's absolutely nothing showing Padma is a love 'em and leave 'em kind of gal. Zero. Zip. Nada. Only that she doesn't have the greatest self-censoring and a little oblivious, but that's about it. Again, the only one who's been a real sleazeball about hooking up and disregarding emotional attachments has been, well, Sven.
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For comic #2060...
6. And this is not insanity...
- THIS...IS...SPARTA! *kicks musicalsoul*
- [to off-screen]: What? This is not Sparta...? It is the QC-WCDT...?
- [to screen]: I guess this is insanity after all. [calls out] Fetch me my green straight-jacket and #2 ball-gag!
I think that this made me giggle far more than is appropriate. :-D
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The general public is content to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" or "bad," sees no issue with a white person appropriating some mish-mash of Native American cultural dress and calling it a "drunken Indian" costume, will not only condemn a woman for having consensual sex, but blame her for being raped as well
That's one pretty damn awful general public you've been subjected to. I would imagine our encounters with said general differ depending on our location. You around the Southern US perhaps?
Why does everyone always assume when there's a generally negative opinion coming from the general public, it just HAS TO BE from the south?
I mean I get it, we're the Bible Belt, we're ass backwards uneducated hicks who don't have running water and do nothing all day but shoot guns at them damn blacks and gays and we love to lynch people because dammit the south will rise again!
But really, that stereotype, it gets old. Ignorance like that is not just based in the southern part of the United States. And perhaps I'm being just a little bit too defensive at the moment, but the whole thing just riles me up because I grew up in a teeny-tiny town in Alabama, that actually ass backwards and I've lived in yet another teeny-tiny town that wasn't. And when I lived in Virginia, I found myself having to defend my old school basically saying "no, I'm not dumb because I'm from there, I'm actually ahead of where you guys are are right now) and now that I live here in Metro-Atlanta, I see a little bit of everything. Extreme open-mindedness, crazy vegans, crazy bible thumpers, and rednecks. Like I said, ignorance is not exclusive to the south, and I get so tired of having to prove to people I'm not an idiot just because I talk kind of slow and I say the word y'all.
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Ladies and gentlemen and those yet undecided(*), I give you: "BOOBS!" (http://oi40.tinypic.com/2q1zzib.jpg) (SFW)
* Disclaimer: courtesy of my old English teacher. No offense intended.
You inspired me to edit my avatar.
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I have to agree with musicalsoul. There are more rednecks up here in Northern Wisconsin than you could find in Middle Tennessee.
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I think we'd all be hard pressed to find any states where rednecks/hillbillies/similar country folk aren't located...i live in New York and we have more than I'd like to admit. :-P
perhaps the densely wooded areas/prime hunting grounds are to blame here...
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Without going into a lot of very dull personal history, I've had dating experiences that mirror Marten's fairly well (up until the Dora breakup, I'm still with my Dora, and my Dora is also Padma, in that she's soon [amicably] leaving never to return.)
I guess I expected Marten to conclude as I did that what is best in relationships is to crush your anxieties for the future, embrace the opportunities before you, and wring as much fun as possible as you can out of the time left.
That may even be what attitude Marten comes around to in a comic or two, I guess it would have been pretty unMartenlike if he got there without being anxious.
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perhaps the densely wooded areas/prime hunting grounds are to blame here...
Why, you just described 90% of Northern Wisconsin! (The rest is lakes and rivers.)
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Shes reacting to pintsize throwing sprinklethings in the air.
Even for Hanners that seems a bit over-sensitive.
Hey, you wanna try counting those? And they're not falling in a symmetrical pattern, either. Then there's clean-up, which can be nightmareish on anything but a tile floor you'll find bits around for weeks afterwards. Yes, I'm sure confetti hits quite a few of Hannelore's many buttons.
I have undies that have things written on the butt (I don't think any of them actually say 'sassy' though :-P).
I really miss Phil Hartman. (Couldn't find a single clip of his Sassy magazine bit, either. Dammit)
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Ladies and gentlemen and those yet undecided(*), I give you: "BOOBS!" (http://oi40.tinypic.com/2q1zzib.jpg) (SFW)
* Disclaimer: courtesy of my old English teacher. No offense intended.
The only improvement would be in the last panel, Faye saying "YOU'RE a BooB!"
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Why does everyone always assume when there's a generally negative opinion coming from the general public, it just HAS TO BE from the south?
I mean I get it, we're the Bible Belt, we're ass backwards uneducated hicks who don't have running water and do nothing all day but shoot guns at them damn blacks and gays and we love to lynch people because dammit the south will rise again!
But really, that stereotype, it gets old. Ignorance like that is not just based in the southern part of the United States. And perhaps I'm being just a little bit too defensive at the moment, but the whole thing just riles me up because I grew up in a teeny-tiny town in Alabama, that actually ass backwards and I've lived in yet another teeny-tiny town that wasn't. And when I lived in Virginia, I found myself having to defend my old school basically saying "no, I'm not dumb because I'm from there, I'm actually ahead of where you guys are are right now) and now that I live here in Metro-Atlanta, I see a little bit of everything. Extreme open-mindedness, crazy vegans, crazy bible thumpers, and rednecks. Like I said, ignorance is not exclusive to the south, and I get so tired of having to prove to people I'm not an idiot just because I talk kind of slow and I say the word y'all.
Thank you. I grew up and live in Athens, Georgia, and I get really tired of the stupid stereotype that I have to face just because of that. (PS: Athens, being a college town, is hugely liberal guys, its not hickville, stop thinking hickville is the only thing in the south, or that its exclusive to the south. Also, Atlanta is really diverse)
As for Hanners... she is probably just startled because she thinks she just time travelled to Arbor Day of 2003.
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Why does everyone always assume when there's a generally negative opinion coming from the general public, it just HAS TO BE from the south?
I mean I get it, we're the Bible Belt, we're ass backwards uneducated hicks who don't have running water and do nothing all day but shoot guns at them damn blacks and gays and we love to lynch people because dammit the south will rise again!
But really, that stereotype, it gets old. Ignorance like that is not just based in the southern part of the United States. And perhaps I'm being just a little bit too defensive at the moment, but the whole thing just riles me up because I grew up in a teeny-tiny town in Alabama, that actually ass backwards and I've lived in yet another teeny-tiny town that wasn't. And when I lived in Virginia, I found myself having to defend my old school basically saying "no, I'm not dumb because I'm from there, I'm actually ahead of where you guys are are right now) and now that I live here in Metro-Atlanta, I see a little bit of everything. Extreme open-mindedness, crazy vegans, crazy bible thumpers, and rednecks. Like I said, ignorance is not exclusive to the south, and I get so tired of having to prove to people I'm not an idiot just because I talk kind of slow and I say the word y'all.
Thank you. I grew up and live in Athens, Georgia, and I get really tired of the stupid stereotype that I have to face just because of that. (PS: Athens, being a college town, is hugely liberal guys, its not hickville, stop thinking hickville is the only thing in the south, or that its exclusive to the south. Also, Atlanta is really diverse)
As for Hanners... she is probably just startled because she thinks she just time travelled to Arbor Day of 2003.
As long as we're taking offense to things, can I take offense to the implication that if you aren't a college educated liberal, you're a stupid hick? Or is that meant to sum up the major political groups of the Amercan south?
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I have no idea if it works in America that way, but I was assuming that people are more open-minded because there are all kinds of people from all over the place moving there because it's a college town.
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It is getting way too personal in this week's comic discussion thread.
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As long as we're taking offense to things, can I take offense to the implication that if you aren't a college educated liberal, you're a stupid hick? Or is that meant to sum up the major political groups of the Amercan south?
I don't think that was the intention of the "Athens is a college town we're liberal" comment. But then again, maybe it was, I can't actually say for sure. My original point was that the entire southern region of this country shouldn't be painted with such a wide brush. The stereotype, it bothers me, because it's one I've had to deal with my whole life and I may have been a little bit too defensive in my original post, but like I said, I just get riled up about it. And I personally don't think not having a college education and liberal views makes you a stupid hick. If that were the case, I couldn't have gone on my rant about how not everyone in the south is an uneducated hick. I'm a college drop-out and I'm moderate all the way down the board as far as my political views go.
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The stereotype, it bothers me, because it's one I've had to deal with my whole life and I may have been a little bit too defensive in my original post, but like I said, I just get riled up about it. And I personally don't think not having a college education and liberal views makes you a stupid hick. If that were the case, I couldn't have gone on my rant about how not everyone in the south is an uneducated hick. I'm a college drop-out and I'm moderate all the way down the board as far as my political views go.
OH
MY
GOD
Talk about fricking oversensitivity. Yeah, whatever- you could be from Rexburg or Utah or Chicago whatnot. But that's not the first place that comes to mind when it comes to overly large conservative populaces. No need to get your knickers in a twist about it.
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Maybe Marten will learn a life lesson here, that transient happiness is just as real as long-term happiness.
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I don't like what I've kicked loose with my starting statement about the "general public's opinion" anymore... °O
And also... I never knew Americans used the word "redneck" in much the same way Europeans do when they talk about that topic... *spock voice* Fascinating.
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AAW, I like the south. I enjoy living in the state that has world's busiest passenger airport.
Now, as for the last few comics. I think that I would classify the encounter as a consensual casual encounter. Marten enjoys the relationship aspect of things and so not being able to have the relationship depresses him. What he should take from this is that the long run of not being in a relationship when he has sex is not going to be enjoyable so he should find people he can have a relationship with.
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AAW, I like the south. I enjoy living in the state that has world's busiest passenger airport.
-Shrug-
Good for you?
Honestly, it doesn't really matter.
I could have said "Are you in the general vicinity of northern Appalachia" or any other place with a large overly conservative populace and it would have meant the same damn thing. Some people need to just get off the broom they've been sitting on.
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Ahh, the perils of self flagellation. You'd think that Marten was related to The Albino in this comic.
Or is he 'arbouring tree or four feelings for Padma?
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[removed by moderator, purely political]
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Hanners is allergic to confetti.
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Harmless, offtopic fun is part of the culture here. Criticisms of people's backgrounds is harmful, offtopic non-fun. It is time to ease off on the argument (or maybe stop it altogether?).
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So what was the moment of the week?
(I know, I know - "I know, right? Ever since I was fourteen, it's been like, '#### girl!'")
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YELLING
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BOOBS!
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I second jwhouk's.
One thing that bothers me a bit: shouldn't Faye's face be at least slightly bruised after taking that hit last night?
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What hit?
Oh right, That one. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2043)
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I second jwhouk's.
One thing that bothers me a bit: shouldn't Faye's face be at least slightly bruised after taking that hit last night?
Nah, the glasses absorbed the impact.
>.>
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Thank you. I grew up and live in Athens, Georgia
Birthplace of REM and the B-52s! That place always seemed to have a really kick-ass music scene.
I didn't think about the fact Marten's never really had casual relationships; hard for me to understand that mindset, it's very much the opposite of my own (I've never been in a completely monogamous relationship and can't really see myself ever having one, heh.) I'll have to stop being so critical of his reaction ~
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Maybe Marten will learn a life lesson here, that transient happiness is just as real as long-term happiness.
That's not the issue, I suspect. Marten's still dealing with the let-down from his break-up. No matter how nice that 'transient happiness' is, the come-down from it is going to feel a little like what he's just gone through. Not exactly a 'zipiddy-doo-da' kind of feeling, but more like "screwed up again."
In other words, there's nothing wrong with Padma*, but she's the wrong girl for Marten to be involved with right now. A few months later than this, and I imagine it'd be a different story, and he'd be set to wallow in the transient. Timing is often all the difference.
*No, I'm not forgetting the stonking obliviousness, but that's not pertinent here.
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I'll fix the poll for a moment of the week tomorrow. Good night, friends!
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Back to actual comic talk. I would imagine Hannelore is not a big fan of confetti, especially in her personal space. The stuff flies all over the place, gets stuck on clothing and shoes, and bits problably turn up weeks or months after you thought you got it all. And we all know about her obsessive nature, so those kind of factors would probably really bother her.
Yes, the confetti will show up for the rest of her life pretty much, some how it will even get on top of the fridge and in the bath tub (speaking from personal experience). Everytime i see confetti now I react in the exact same way, knowing that six months from now you are gonna wake up in the morning and there is a piece of confetti in the middle of your living room that definately wasn't there the ngiht before (once again, personal experience. Confetti and I have a history) could be really bothersome to Hanners.
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So it's like cat hair after your cat is long dead?
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(Don't forget of Montreal)
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So it's like cat hair after your cat is long dead?
Yes, thats the perfect way to describe it.It even sticks to your clothes and everything.
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Fuck. Glitter.
This, basically. I work at Target and I want to throw things every time somebody brings up a Christmas decoration, or a card, or ANYTHING with FUCKING GLITTER on it.
It's a wonder there's any glitter left on the items because it ALL FALLS OFF or seems like it.
AUGH
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Maybe Marten will learn a life lesson here, that transient happiness is just as real as long-term happiness.
That's not the issue, I suspect. Marten's still dealing with the let-down from his break-up. No matter how nice that 'transient happiness' is, the come-down from it is going to feel a little like what he's just gone through. Not exactly a 'zipiddy-doo-da' kind of feeling, but more like "screwed up again."
In other words, there's nothing wrong with Padma*, but she's the wrong girl for Marten to be involved with right now. A few months later than this, and I imagine it'd be a different story, and he'd be set to wallow in the transient. Timing is often all the difference.
*No, I'm not forgetting the stonking obliviousness, but that's not pertinent here.
Great post.
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He's known for them.
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The only thing worse than confetti is glitter. Fuck glitter. When I was nine years old, my favorite sweater was ruined because some asshole at school threw glitter on me while we were doing an art project. I tried everything. I shook it out, I washed it, I ran a vacuum hose all over it, I got one of those sticky roller thingies and just went to town on it, but it didn't matter. Every time I tried to wear it after that, it got glitter all over the rest of my clothes and made me all itchy. So I had to get rid of my favorite sweater.
Fuck. Glitter.
A million times this. I was giving my friend a ride to work once, and when she grabbed something out of her purse, a bunch came out and it's still on my dashboard, weeks later. You can only see it if you know it's there, mostly, but come on, that's my car!
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Ha, nice, I wasn't expecting the emoticons to show up in the poll.
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Perhaps this snippet of Demetri Martin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKMvMpKVPJM) is appropriate. Mildly NSFW (discussion of STIs)
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One of the hardest forms of addiction to break is addiction to an emotional state. When you're addicted to stress and anger and depression, it doesn't matter what is happening in your life, you will find something to stress out and become angry about (which will then turn into depression).
Stress and anger give us a short boost of adrenaline, which gives us a temporary high, and make us feel like we're in control of situations that we're totally not--after all, we're caring about the situation, and that's like doing something, isn't it? And then depression kicks in once we realize just how powerless (or, if not powerless, ineffectual) we are--and, as a nice little button, often helps us embrace victimhood as an excuse for not making the changes in our lives that would end the cycle.
Eventually, we get habituated to existing in a particular mental state, and WILL find whatever way is available to keep us in that mental state. My theory is that half the people in the world (probably more) who follow either sports or politics only do so because they want an excuse to be outraged at any given time.
And here's where it comes back 'round to the comic: Marten lives in a headspace of uncertainty and a vague sense of mild depression. That's home to him; it's where he's comfortable, because he understands it. He doesn't enjoy it (who would?), but, speaking as someone wallowing in a crappy job, apartment, and city, I gotta tell you, it's hard to leave the devil you know for the angel you don't.
Marten isn't Al Bundy--he doesn't have to stay in a particular headspace because the series would be over without it, so I don't think that this is just a way of maintaining the status quo. Really, Jeph has never been a creator who embraces the status quo style of comic-writing; I think this is Jeph really playing out the character logically: Marten grabs things that he think will make him happy, but, because he isn't changing the way he approaches life, he ends up spoiling it for himself by hunting down whatever will ruin the experience for him. The fact that he recognizes that is a good thing, though... if he does something about it.
So, really, this was probably just a thing that happened on the way to other things and its immediacy is the only thing giving it real importance (although it is a nice little ticking time-bomb in his friendship with Elliot).
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TL; DR - but I'm betting it's a good post.
Anyways, I'm already in for Padma's "I know!" comment, so my vote went accordingly.
I'm familiar with both the issues of Glitter and cat hair. My stepmom swore they were still finding gray cat hairs years after my parents' cat died.
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FrozenPeas,
Thank you. That was wonderful, both for the comic and on a more personal level.
JWHouk, shame on you - go back and read it when you get a chance!
Oh, and my vote? Well, I'm still a teenaged boy at heart.
Yup.
(.Y.)
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Excellent post.
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(a bunch of coherently-thought-out, well-stated, pertinent, insightful wisdom)
Er, Indeed.
Can we just lock the thread after that post? I don't think anything more needs to be said.
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I'm the only one who voted for Arbor Day? :psyduck:
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stuff
*blinks*
OK, that was a pretty damn insightful- and it certainly explains why I see so many people going from bad relationship to bad relationship and never seeming to break the cycle. Bears some pondering. Thank you.
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Man, I wonder if that's me ... Trying to muster up the energy to finish the ONE MORE THING I had to finish before I could consider my 12-hour desk shift over (it was a newspaper job), and not being able to stomach any more coffee, I'd do the burst-of-anger thing. Later I saw it mentioned in an article on stress. Never made the mental link to addiction, though.
"Hi, my name is DSL and I'm an angerholic ..."
I did an illustration once for a business page article on workaholics which the Asst. Mangling Editor snidely called "self-portrait."
Used to think it was funny. Not so sure now. Thanks for something to think about, FrozenPeas.
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The only thing worse than confetti is glitter. Fuck glitter. When I was nine years old, my favorite sweater was ruined because some asshole at school threw glitter on me while we were doing an art project. I tried everything. I shook it out, I washed it, I ran a vacuum hose all over it, I got one of those sticky roller thingies and just went to town on it, but it didn't matter. Every time I tried to wear it after that, it got glitter all over the rest of my clothes and made me all itchy. So I had to get rid of my favorite sweater.
Fuck. Glitter.
A million times this. I was giving my friend a ride to work once, and when she grabbed something out of her purse, a bunch came out and it's still on my dashboard, weeks later. You can only see it if you know it's there, mostly, but come on, that's my car!
A friend at one time sent me a birthday card; upon opening the envelope in my usual enthusiastic way (which tends towards just ripping the thing in half) I discovered it was quite the birthday surprise! -- The card and envelope was filled (and I mean filled) with green glitter. She probably used an entire bottle of it and when I ripped open the envelope it just EXPLODED in a shower of sparkle over me, my couch, my carpet and my cat. I looked like an extra from Twilight for three solid days.
That was six years ago and there is still glitter in my couch.
That stuff is in-sane.
FrozenPeas, wonderful post.
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I predict the rest of the weekend will be spent complaining about glitter and/or complimenting FrozenPeas.
By the way, for you newcomers, though his post count is low, every one of them has been a gem (unlike mine, which are done for laffs or are rushed and oversimplified). Click on his profile and read them sometime.
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You just wait until they perfect nano-glitter, where every particle is actually a non-linear crystal the size of the wavelength of the light it's supposed to bend.
That shit will (literally) get under your skin.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I read your posts, and all I can think of ... is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u9rAOx20dk
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Don't send FrozenPeas any glitter.
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I think what this past week of comics has shown to us is that Marten isn't just overtly mopey. Yes I think we can agree that his moping characteristics were quite obviously shown and pointed to but he did do something that made him momentarily happy even if he isn't quite dealing with it perfectly now that that momentary happiness has dispersed. It also gives us a rather good view of Marten becoming more self evident as per the last strip of the week. However the context of him acknowledging is idiocy can still be implied either way until we get further comics.
As it goes with Padma, I would side with the people on this forum that say that she is either not at all at fault here or only slightly at fault. Elliot talked to her on the phone and joked about how she should hook up with Marten, tone of voice would be very smart to try and imagine here when reading that specific comic. I know if I was in that specific situation and someone who had just confessed they loved me not a day or two ago had been talking to me on the phone had suggested that I would probably do what Padma had done. If your listening to the person and their tone is implying that they are joking about the idea especially if they had just confessed there would be a certain strain to their voice. I can't say I know if Elliot would be able to mask his emotions or not when speaking of it but his voice may have cracked or heightened or had a slight laugh to it which would be how someone in his situation may jokingly mention. This coupled on the fact that Padma does respect Elliot as a friend means she would more then likely say what she believed would not hurt his feelings and thus "Not wanting to get involved with someone" would be the optimal choice.
We can't say that either party is fully at fault or not though because a one night stand involves a certain amount of emotional detachment, yet we can also not assume that this is only going to be a one night stand. In 2058 Padma shows no reluctance to being close to Marten or holding his hand either, which to me shows that there is a certain amount of affection that she has for him even when they have both had the night to sober up. She also knows hes planning to call her the next day which by the vast majority of standards mean that another date may be set up.
Regardless of the outcome of the relationship whether it be just a one night stand or a relationship that Marten has to deal with when and if she does eventually move away I see this as a chance for Marten to grow as a character. Pintsize has the right idea wanting to celebrate the hook up because it's finally breaking the cycle of his sadness over the break up with Dora and thus grants an opportunity for growth and some sort of knowledge to be gained by him, even if it is just that he isn't completely undesirable to opposite sex.
Honestly only time will tell what will happen but I honestly can't wait to see what happens with Marten and Padma, as well as with Faye and Angus.
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Nothing wrong with glitter, provided one isn't Hanners
and you're not putting it on your face.
One of the hardest forms of addiction to break is addiction to an emotional state. When you're addicted to stress and anger and depression, it doesn't matter what is happening in your life, you will find something to stress out and become angry about (which will then turn into depression).
Stress and anger give us a short boost of adrenaline, which gives us a temporary high, and make us feel like we're in control of situations that we're totally not--after all, we're caring about the situation, and that's like doing something, isn't it? And then depression kicks in once we realize just how powerless (or, if not powerless, ineffectual) we are--and, as a nice little button, often helps us embrace victimhood as an excuse for not making the changes in our lives that would end the cycle.
Eventually, we get habituated to existing in a particular mental state, and WILL find whatever way is available to keep us in that mental state. My theory is that half the people in the world (probably more) who follow either sports or politics only do so because they want an excuse to be outraged at any given time.
And here's where it comes back 'round to the comic: Marten lives in a headspace of uncertainty and a vague sense of mild depression. That's home to him; it's where he's comfortable, because he understands it. He doesn't enjoy it (who would?), but, speaking as someone wallowing in a crappy job, apartment, and city, I gotta tell you, it's hard to leave the devil you know for the angel you don't.
Marten isn't Al Bundy--he doesn't have to stay in a particular headspace because the series would be over without it, so I don't think that this is just a way of maintaining the status quo. Really, Jeph has never been a creator who embraces the status quo style of comic-writing; I think this is Jeph really playing out the character logically: Marten grabs things that he think will make him happy, but, because he isn't changing the way he approaches life, he ends up spoiling it for himself by hunting down whatever will ruin the experience for him. The fact that he recognizes that is a good thing, though... if he does something about it.
So, really, this was probably just a thing that happened on the way to other things and its immediacy is the only thing giving it real importance (although it is a nice little ticking time-bomb in his friendship with Elliot).
Two things: one, while I agree there is such a thing as addiction to emotional states, that's not quite what you're describing when you get to what you call Marten's 'headspace.' I've remarked on this before: people have a tendency to adhere to what's familiar, be it working well for them or not. Many a person will endure fairly horrible, stressful conditions rather than venture into a new situation, because the terrors of dealing with the new are, to him, worse. Change holds great fear for many people, and they will go to great lengths to avoid it. I wouldn't call it an addiction to that familiar state, though; it's fear, plain and simple. In other words, avoidance, rather than need (and yeah, the two can get intermixed, but that's a whole other ball of wax).
Dora, as I've said before, is a good example of a person who fears the unfamiliar; she'd rather move from failed relationship to failed relationship than try to change things about herself in order to make a relationship last: being in a relationship that won't last is what's familiar to her. When things didn't end with Marten the way she'd expected they would, Dora got afraid, and when that didn't work, she got angry, with the result being she finally had an excuse to end the relationship, which is the outcome she'd been expecting all along.
Marten, to me, doesn't seem in quite this place. He's not so much stuck in a pattern as he is directionless. I suppose that, too, could be considered a pattern, but we've yet to see Marten actively struggle not to have a direction, so to me, anyway, the jury's still out on that. On the other hand, were Marten 'addicted' to moping, or were that his familiar place, it seems far more likely to me he'd have turned down Dora and kept waiting for Faye, using one excuse after another to not move on. One could argue he picked Dora because he knew it couldn't last, but it doesn't seem to me he knew her well enough at the time to predict that.
So I think Marten is basically still in the 'down' after what happened with Dora, and, as I said, the 'fresh' little down of realizing Padma will soon be leaving pushed him back downslope a little. And yet, rather than wallowing in that, we see him trying to work his way back 'up' by examining the situation and explaining to himself that a little fun with Padma is a good thing.
Meanwhile, I love seeing Pot Faye sitting next to him, piping away about how 'black' Kettle Marten is (when he's mildly smudged at best). Until recently, Faye's a poster child for staying in one place, and she's fresh off another attack of it.
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Marten, to me, doesn't seem in quite this place. He's not so much stuck in a pattern as he is directionless. I suppose that, too, could be considered a pattern, but we've yet to see Marten actively struggle not to have a direction, so to me, anyway, the jury's still out on that.
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A wise Canadian philosopher once said, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Of course, Marten doesn't care much for that philosopher's theories (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2014).
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I thought people liked Rush because they were "complicated and wanky".
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I need 2060's panel 5 as a large, large print.
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One could argue he picked Dora because he knew it couldn't last
One could argue that Dora picked him.
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Interesting thing to watch during the run up to that arc was watching Faye alternately push Marten toward Dora (or test Marten to see if he was interested in Dora, I dunno, and then see how she reacted when Dora expressed her interest. Some nice subtlety there even in the early stages of Jeph's writing and art.
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One could argue he picked Dora because he knew it couldn't last
One could argue that Dora picked him.
I can't imagine anyone arguing that she didn't.
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I thought people liked Rush because they were "complicated and wanky".
The band, or the people? :-D
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On the other hand, were Marten 'addicted' to moping, or were that his familiar place, it seems far more likely to me he'd have turned down Dora and kept waiting for Faye, using one excuse after another to not move on.
One possible argument for why Marten went with Dora was because his then-recent experience with Faye left him frustrated in many ways, especially sexually. Then here comes Dora, who he already admitted he was attracted to, offering release from that frustration. Naturally, being a horny hetero male, Marten jumped at the opportunity offered to him. Sure Dora delayed having sex with him for a brief time afterward, but it was a mere fraction of the time Faye did her "does-she-or-doesn't-she want me" dance.
I remember at the time Marten and Dora's relationship began there were a number of posters (many of whom no longer post) who thought Marten should have continued waiting for Faye. Of course, since Jeph didn't write/draw them that way, we'll never really know how that would've worked out for them.
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I thought people liked Rush because they were "complicated and wanky".
The band, or the people? :-D
A little from column A, a little from column B...
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On the other hand, were Marten 'addicted' to moping, or were that his familiar place, it seems far more likely to me he'd have turned down Dora and kept waiting for Faye, using one excuse after another to not move on.
One possible argument for why Marten went with Dora was because his then-recent experience with Faye left him frustrated in many ways, especially sexually. Then here comes Dora, who he already admitted he was attracted to, offering release from that frustration. Naturally, being a horny hetero male, Marten jumped at the opportunity offered to him. Sure Dora delayed having sex with him for a brief time afterward, but it was a mere fraction of the time Faye did her "does-she-or-doesn't-she want me" dance.
Or it could have been that he thought he was ready to try being happy. And for a time he was able to kick the habit. But when Dora dumped him he went right back to the misery bottle. Actually this concept of mood addiction could explain Dora too. She's addicted to feeling insecure and overshadowed. It lets her feel like she's the underdog and gets her mad so she can feel like she's fighting the world. She may not necessarily like being there but it's where she's comfortable. It's what she thinks gives her strength. Looking at in this way, her refusal to go to counseling looks a lot more like an alcoholic fighting against going to an AA meeting.
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I'm not sure what to make of the fact that the character I relate most to is Steve. :psyduck:
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You're a douchebag, too?
Damn it, now I'm hearing the old Dr. Pepper jingle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCTaccEkMI)...
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I don't think tits would help. He'd never leave the full-length mirror...
Steve is like a lot of guys, no doubt about that. And he's been a pretty good friend to Marten. But there are times when, being like most guys, he acts like a jerk. It happens to all of us at some point, but I think most of us would like to think that we're at least a little better / more self-aware / less assholey.
Not that it's true...
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The stereotype, it bothers me, because it's one I've had to deal with my whole life and I may have been a little bit too defensive in my original post, but like I said, I just get riled up about it. And I personally don't think not having a college education and liberal views makes you a stupid hick. If that were the case, I couldn't have gone on my rant about how not everyone in the south is an uneducated hick. I'm a college drop-out and I'm moderate all the way down the board as far as my political views go.
OH
MY
GOD
Talk about fricking oversensitivity. Yeah, whatever- you could be from Rexburg or Utah or Chicago whatnot. But that's not the first place that comes to mind when it comes to overly large conservative populaces. No need to get your knickers in a twist about it.
There's no need to be such a freakin' jerk about it. I wasn't at all rude or anything. And you also took the last half of what I said completely out of context but quoting it without referencing what I was responding to.
I've spent my whole life having people automatically thinking I was stupid, racist, and a bible thumper entirely because I'm from Alabama. Not because of anything I've ever said, but because of where I'm from. If other groups of people are allowed to get annoyed by stereotypes (all Asians are good at math and bad drivers, black people love fried chicken and watermelons, all Indians only work at conveniences stores... and I could go on), I don't see any reason I shouldn't be allowed to get annoyed when someone says "I'm sorry" because I tell them I'm from Alabama. I'm not stupid, I'm not racist, and I don't spend my days sitting on my back porch shooting BB guns at squirrels (although, if I did, I don't see why that would be a problem).
I was not at all rude and condescending in either of my other posts about this, it was just me trying to fight a stereotype. Someone has to, that's the only way things will ever freakin' change.
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Oh and my moment of the week was definitely Padma agreeing with how amazing her boobs are. :-]
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@musicalsoul Hey, man, just be glad you're not from New Jersey.
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@musicalsoul Hey, man, just be glad you're not from New Jersey.
Haha. Aw man, they (or you) have got it bad too. I bet Jersey Shore doesn't help either does it?
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Well it's not too bad since I'm still in Jersey, so the people who live here can't shittalk Jersey without realizing they still live here and getting sad. To answer your question, no, Jersey Shore doesn't help, but that's South Jersey, I'm from North Jersey. A distinction that only exists to people in New Jersey.
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Oh no, it's well known that North Jersey is a suburb of New York, whereas South Jersey is a suburb of Philly.
:psyduck:
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This is true, but most people out of the Northeast would consider New Jersey such a small state that splitting it into two parts would seem unnecessary.
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I hear you on the Jersey thing- I still get flack about being from NJ from anyone who knows even though my parents and I moved to NY when I was 5 but sometimes I have fun with it...my now-fiance said something a long time ago when we first started dating when someone with a Jersey license plate cut him off. He made a snarky comment like "nothing good ever comes from Jersey!" so I piped up "Well......I came from Jersey".
He shut up pretty quickly after that because I definitely don't fit the stereotype. 90% of my family still lives there so it was nice for him to meet them and realize that not everyone who still lives there is a clone of Snooki. But to this day he still gives me crap about being a Devils fan :-P
(Also- if you've never seen the South Park "Jersey Thing" episode.....you must. It's hilarious.)
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But.. but it's got that skinny part in the middle! If it were a cookie, it'd be broken in two as soon as it was picked up!
The geography of baked goods strikes again...
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@The Little Cheese - Jersey accents bug me, and I've lived in New Jersey my whole life. The funny thing is, nobody believes I'm from Jersey when I go out of state, and I'm glad, because while nobody says "Joisey", a lot of people don't know how to pronounce the short o sound (the say it like "aww", for words like coffee or dog, and it just drives me mad, even after hearing it for 24 years). I rip on Jersey all the time, though, and I gotta say, Jersey drivers are pretty terrible.
I do love that episode, btw. "Live from St. Louis, New Jersey!"
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love that episode I'm originally from New Jersey to luckily I got out before the change came upon me