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Title: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 17 Oct 2012, 05:44
I think the writers have more fun coming up with the movie titles for these Die Hard movies than anything else The title for the latest one due out on Valentines Day?

A Good Day to Die Hard

...oh my aching soul.

[SPOILERS] John McClaine finds himself in a terrorist plot. [/SPOILERS]
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Blyss on 17 Oct 2012, 11:38
That one is pretty good, as these things go.  Though to be honest, they'd be hard pressed to get any better(worse) than Die Hard 2: DIE HARDER.

That one still makes me groan out loud all these years later.

I found it interesting a few years ago whilst reading an article about the Die Hard franchise, that none of them were actually written as a series - but are several different stories that the Die Hard writers just read, and then said, "Fuck yeah!  We can totally stick John McClane in that, and make fucking millions!"  And then they did just that.

I like my Die Hards, I really do, but I would not be honest if I didn't disclose that I have to remove most of my brain to enjoy it.  As long as I keep in mind that it's just my stupid actionysplodey Die Hard movie, I'm good.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 17 Oct 2012, 15:43
Found this fuckin' thing. Old as hell but relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfmfPYiO1w
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: drmike on 17 Oct 2012, 17:44
This is the only thing I took away from the series.  The fountain scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ64IR2bz5o).

If my ex was still around, I'd be poking her and saying "Why yes, math is important."
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Oct 2012, 19:53
I've always loved the Die Hard movies, but I will admit they seem to be flogging the dead horse at this stage.

An international team of geriatrics take over the wrong retirement home as John McClane locks and loads before pill time! Bruce Willis in... Die Hard 6! Nurse, The Tapioca Has Gone (Die) Hard Again.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Rockman on 18 Oct 2012, 12:26
I was disappointed to find out that this movie takes place in Moscow.  I was really hoping it would take place on Qo'noS.  McClane v. the Klingons.

"Perhaps today is a good day to die!"
"No, you p'tak - it's a good day to die hard."
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 20 Oct 2012, 23:14
"Yippy Quap'la motherfuckers."
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 24 Oct 2012, 15:51
Old habits Die Hard.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Jimor on 14 Nov 2012, 07:28
I just need to repeat how I've pictured a lengthy series of Hollywood pitch meetings after Die Hard.

First you had a series of ripoffs like "Die Hard, in a stadium", "Die Hard, in a school", etc. until you finally get somebody pitching Speed as "Die Hard, on a Bus".

After Speed, you have writers pitching "Speed, on a ship", "Speed, on a train", etc. until eventually somebody pitches, "Speed, in a high rise building".
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 17 Nov 2012, 10:10
About then, The Men in White Coats will burst in and haul everybody off.



One hopes
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: henri bemis on 21 Nov 2012, 21:40
I would watch Die Hard on a Speeding Spaceship so much.  so, so much.  It would be the most terrible movie in the world, and I'd love every second of it.  If you're going to jump all the sharks, you have to commit.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: riccostar on 21 Nov 2012, 21:50
Makes one wonder what constitutes a good day for dying hard.  Is it based on the weather or does Brucey just know what days are best suited for it now?
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Bev on 25 Nov 2012, 05:40
Bruce Willis confirms the 6th films title, "You only die hard twice".
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 14 Dec 2012, 05:53
I would watch Die Hard on a Speeding Spaceship so much.  so, so much.  It would be the most terrible movie in the world, and I'd love every second of it.  If you're going to jump all the sharks, you have to commit.
Oh Space Jesus, that does sound terrible and beautiful. "Die Hard X"
"How does the same thing happen to the same guy... in space?" -Future Spacecop John McClane
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Dec 2012, 07:32
Actually, can we all remember for a second that Die Hard and Die Hard 2 are technically Christmas movies?
Which is why this evening, I will be watching the ultimate Christmas movie.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 14 Dec 2012, 19:42
Christmas In Hawaii?


 :-D
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2012, 14:46
Christmas In Hawaii?


 :-D

Hans Gruber would like to have a word with you Mr. Takagi.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Blyss on 15 Dec 2012, 17:50
Nice Suit.  John Phillips, London.  Rumor has that Arafat buys his there too..."
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 19 Dec 2012, 21:05
Christmas In Hawaii?


 :-D

Hans Gruber would like to have a word with you Mr. Takagi.


He can find me on the twentieth floor.  Oh, and I found my shoes BTW
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: dps on 25 Dec 2012, 16:58
Old habits Die Hard.

Nun terrorists?
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: henri bemis on 25 Dec 2012, 23:00
Old habits Die Hard.

Nun terrorists?

Best Sister Act sequel ever.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Dec 2012, 07:22
Bruce Willis! Whoopi Goldberg! A Laugh-Filled Holiday fighting the mob - and terrorists!

It's "BAD HABITS DIE HARD: SISTER ACT 3"!


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"Do NOT tell me that hasn't been pitched SOMEWHERE in Hollywood..."
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Spriteling on 08 Jan 2013, 02:56
The Die Hard movies are only good for the explosions.  That's why the third one was so disappointing.  They tried to actually have a plot, instead of just blowing shit up.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 08 Jan 2013, 04:16
They did hit that one mime, though...
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jan 2013, 21:27
That's sad. 

After all, a mime is a terrible thing to waste.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Spriteling on 10 Jan 2013, 04:16
There just aren't enough mimes in the world.

Actually I think mimes are terrifying.  Just like clowns.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Stryc9Fuego on 11 Jan 2013, 02:17
You've played Space Station 13, then. Yeah, they're both evil.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: de_la_Nae on 21 Jan 2013, 01:28
Since I didn't see it in this thread...gentlemen...BEHOLD!

Die Hard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY) by Guyz Nite
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2013, 03:09
Since I didn't see it in this thread...gentlemen...BEHOLD!

Die Hard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyw6cq86kY) by Guyz Nite

Love that song.

As to Die Hard 5, beyond it being a good day to die hard, which makes me immediately think of this  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys) from SS3*

Despite it being a full length movie I found it wanting... everything that makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie. The action sequences were minimal and not exactly inspired, the bad guys could have been cool with some actual interplay between them, just weak over all. McClain took out a freaking F-35 on foot in Die Hard 4, sure it was an update of taking down the Harrier jump jet, but I don't care. That was AWESOME. As was the rest of Die Hard 4. DH5... should be taken out back and shot quietly.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Akima on 08 Mar 2013, 22:32
I would watch Die Hard on a Speeding Spaceship so much.
Wasn't that The Fifth Element?
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: Kugai on 09 Mar 2013, 12:59
It was, with fancy costumes too.   :-D
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: wheelofdawn on 29 Mar 2013, 11:42
I read once that the best way to make a Die Hard movie is to NOT write a Die Hard script. Die Hard was originally Commando 2 before it was turned to Die Hard. Die Hard 3 was Simon Says, then Lethal Weapon 4 before becoming With A Vengeance.

What really annoyed me about Die Hard 5 though was what bothered me in Terminator: Salvation, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Matrix 2/3.

They made the hero a pariah among the good guys and in many cases expected the audience to side against the protagonist we love. Was there really such a need to make John look so terrible in the eyes of his son and use his son's perspective more often than not? He's JOHN MCCLAIN. The movie shouldn't try to make me empathize with the plight of his family for the horrible fate of being related to John McClain. It forces Not!John to be the protagonist to sell a father-son bonding story that has no place in this script.

John was hated on and antagonized by his peers in the first 3 movies but we were on his side and we knew he was right.

It just bugs me when movies make a sequel where we see the hero through the judgmental and disapproving eyes of others.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: TheEvilDog on 30 Mar 2013, 10:52
But then you have no conflict save for that between the protagonist and antagonist. Which makes for a somewhat bland story.

As much as I dislike 4.0, it did raise a very good point about what being the hero has done to John McClane's life, summed up by this quote; "You know what you get for being a hero? Nothin'. You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah, blah, blah, attaboy. You get divorced. Your wife can't remember your last name. Your kids don't want to talk to you. You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me, kid, nobody wants to be that guy."

Yeah, we love John McClane because he kicks ass and has a plethora of witty one liners. We sympathise with him when his feet get lacerated by broken glass, or he gets shot or you realise that his marriage is breaking down. But that's because we can see him going through all that. But Holly couldn't see that, Lucy couldn't see that, nor could John Jr. All they saw was John putting his job ahead of them again and again, or "sorry kids, but Daddy is busy". That's on John, his wife and kids do feel they have legitimate reasons not to want John in their lives. I mean in 4.0 he actually stalks his daughter and violently threatens her boyfriend (granted, the guy seemed like a dickhead).

Now consider it from the perspectives of other organisations. You have this cop, comes in, screws things up, causes massive amounts of property destruction, kills the criminals and often risks the lives of innocent civilians. In 5 he went to another country where his being a cop meant absolutely nothing and
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. The man is a nightmare for law enforcement. The only reason John still has a job is because he's a lucky bastard who tends to be right.

One incredibly interesting point to note is that John starts to get a whole lot darker and more acerbic after the plane crashes in Die Hard 2. That's 200+ innocent people murdered because he, and the airport crew tried to warn the planes. All those deaths are on their heads, and considering that for John, its an incredibly stark reminder of what could be in store for his wife, it leaves his very jaded and difficult in dealing with the authorities.

Ultimately we're seeing John McClane, not through his eyes, but through how others see him, and to be honest, its not a pretty picture. We know John McClane is a hero, but its hidden under a lonely, bitter and jaded shell.
Title: Re: the Die Hard franchise is just messing with us at this point
Post by: wheelofdawn on 30 Mar 2013, 19:36
Wow that's a good dang post. I appreciate the heck out of that and have no further rebuttal.

Thanks, man! You made me respect 4.0 and Good Day more than I did.