Wouldn't the proper term be TG?
Marten's virtues, front and center. Everyone should have a friend like that.
And let's not go into shipping there, ricco.
Finally, another character with boy-parts. This comic was turning into a total taco fest.
Well, Tumblr is going to lacerate Jeph for this, even though it is, as far as I can tell, respectful and reasonable and not at all offensive.hey, it's only the first strip, give it time
Indeed, Marty has experience (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=457)with the trans community.
Well, Tumblr is going to lacerate Jeph for this, even though it is, as far as I can tell, respectful and reasonable and not at all offensive. The mere fact that "cisplanation" is accepted terminology on Tumblr ensures it.
I am not that wise in what "trans" means. I think that Claire is saying that she's biologically male, but mentally/spiritually female, and wishes to be treated as a female. Am I understanding things correctly? Googling was involved.
Oh crap, there goes his other hand.....
I am not that wise in what "trans" means. I think that Claire is saying that she's biologically male, but mentally/spiritually female, and wishes to be treated as a female. Am I understanding things correctly? Googling was involved.Transgender is something of a catch-all term, describing different types of gender variant issues (including transsexual people). In this case, we only know that Claire is "trans", but assuming she's a transgender woman, it could mean that she is a woman who was assigned as a boy as birth, identifies as a woman, but doesn't want the surgery. If she was transsexual, that would mean that she had the operation to align her body to her identity.
I think so... my knowledge of transsexuality(?) is weak at point. She is either a birth male who feels like she is a female and dresses/acts as such or a girl who feels like a male but doesn't dress/act as such.
...well that was a change of topic.
She (he?) might have.
I am not that wise in what "trans" means. I think that Claire is saying that she's biologically male, but mentally/spiritually female, and wishes to be treated as a female. Am I understanding things correctly? Googling was involved.Transgender is something of a catch-all term, describing different types of gender variant issues (including transsexual people). In this case, we only know that Claire is "trans", but assuming she's a transgender woman, it could mean that she is a woman who was assigned as a boy as birth, identifies as a woman, but doesn't want the surgery. If she was transsexual, that would mean that she had the operation to align her body to her identity.
It is also rather nice Jeph for this to do this, he can enlighten some of us out there (like myself) who are rather ignorant of transsexuals due to lack of exposure and public attention.
This is so true, and most of the representations of trans people in media aren't that great, its nice to see good depictions of people like me
Okay, that was unexpected.
So, trans? MTF or FTM?
In any case, it is nice to see a representation of a trans-gender/sexual person, which is not an over-the-camp drag queen or a macho dyke in leather with a bull-whip.
Well done, Jeph.
When did he do one about mental illness?
When did he do one about mental illness?
It does bring forth the negative reactions of Clinton to Claire and Claire to Clinton into a new light...
I've just realized that tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week is going to have Marten stubbornly keeping this a secret (I assume Claire only wants to tell people she really trusts) while everyone is going to ask him whether he and Claire made out, and it will be even more awkward than usual, particularly because Marten's apparently not into that (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=615). :P
I've just realized that tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week is going to have Marten stubbornly keeping this a secret (I assume Claire only wants to tell people she really trusts) while everyone is going to ask him whether he and Claire made out, and it will be even more awkward than usual, particularly because Marten's apparently not into that (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=615). :P
Of course, this all assumes Jeph was planning this that far back and didn't just make it up as he went along and went: "Hey, I want to put a trans character in the strip. Lets see...Claire! She'll be perfect!"
Really, her saying she's "trans" doesn't tell any of us much of anything. All we can do is guess. She could be F-T-M but not transitioning yet. She could be M-T-F pre-op, but presenting. She could be M-T-F post-op. And even beyond that, she could be aiming for being a straight male, bi male, gay male, straight female, bi female, gay female. We don't know. We're just pondering. Ain't nothing wrong with that.And considering how Jeph just loves to keep us in the dark, that's probably how it'll remain for a while...it might be brought up in conversation later on.
But being a drag queen certainly doesn't mean one ISN'T also trans.
I just went and re-read a few of the older comics with Claire and Clinton after reading todays strip. Suddenly some of their excessive reactions and anxiety can be seen in a new light, and make a lot more sense.
what Claire is or isn't packing in her pants is relevant to those interested in shipping her with folks
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Oh, Donars Fluch!
Really, her saying she's "trans" doesn't tell any of us much of anything. All we can do is guess. She could be F-T-M but not transitioning yet. She could be M-T-F pre-op, but presenting. She could be M-T-F post-op. And even beyond that, she could be aiming for being a straight male, bi male, gay male, straight female, bi female, gay female. We don't know. We're just pondering. Ain't nothing wrong with that.And considering how Jeph just loves to keep us in the dark, that's probably how it'll remain for a while...it might be brought up in conversation later on.
(moderator) There's a no shipping rule, and it's more important than you might think. (/moderator)
...By the way, anyone notice that Jeph likes to drop these little bombs on us right before Thanksgiving?
(moderator) There's a no shipping rule, and it's more important than you might think. (/moderator)
But that doesn't mean I won't be doing it on my own, in my bedroom, with the lights off and creepy music playing in the background, while I sharpen my knives and smile demurely.
I mean... Well. Yeah. Okay.
I Think at this point its probly safe to say sheNot to mention polite! No, I didn't see this coming either.
I see enquiring about Sex Reassignment Surgery more a question of "Oh, so that's how Claire chooses to express her gender identity?" than "Oh, so Claire has a dong?"
It's a subtle difference, and personally I believe that it makes that particular line of discussion relevant, if accidentally insensitive at times.
Oh, look, it's our UBMEOD wielder. Just in time. :roll: :-D
Here, what Claire is or isn't packing in her pants is relevant to those interested in shipping her with folks, just as finding out if she identifies as straight, gay or bi does.
If someone here started making racist remarks about ... Gabby
Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.
As someone recently questioning the fuck out of my gender identity who has been reading QC for years: :psyduck:aaand there comes me along, thinking that there should be no thing as "gender identity".
Feels like a sign, bros.
Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.Srsly
[ ... ]Not if you were in the Scrubs cast. Then it'd just be scripted.
If a stranger came up to me like "How´s your penis?", I´d be uncomfortable too.
... damn, I'm at the edge of my seat for the rest of the week now because of today's installment. °O
Nah, sorry if it's ~~annoying~~ to you, but your dictionary needs some serious revising.
Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.
And given that she's, well, a she, it doesn't matter. Her parts are ladyparts, no matter what shape they are.Finally, another character with boy-parts. This comic was turning into a total taco fest.
Actually, we don't know if she's pre- or post-surgery.
Renewman: That's the way to write trans characters. They aren't a big deal, they are more common than you think and they've been around since the dawn of humankind. There's not supposed to be any "hints" because unless someone tells you it's impossible to know for sure if someone is trans.
Also, I'm noticing a large influx of new people over this comic. Did this get posted on twitter or something?
Also, I'm noticing a large influx of new people over this comic. Did this get posted on twitter or something?
No, I don't think so. I've read QC for years, and I've lurked the forums from time to time for awhile, just never had a reason to post before. I felt my experience was relevant here.
However, there was no set-up, no foreshadowing, no hint in the previous comics at all that the story was take this ridiculous turn and frankly I am extremely disappointed in Jeph.
No, you misunderstand. I'm not harping on the comic because "What!? Jeph just threw in transgender character!? He should have told us last week in a hint!" I'm saying that for those of us who have been following the comic for years are starting to realize that things are just getting thrown into the story with no basis for a while now and it only makes me imagine what else Jeph is going to end up doing in the future. Also, I'm noticing a large influx of new people over this comic. Did this get posted on twitter or something?Your other example was Tai and Dora hooking up. There's plenty of basis for that. Both are established as being interested in women, both have specifically mentioned finding the other attractive, and they got along as friends. Is it possible that the change of their relationship (and seeing each other more often) is a bad idea? Sure. But people have ill-advised hookups. It's realistic.
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Seriously, look at the first panel of this comic. Jeph copy+pasted their heads, then drew different hairstyles on them.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2321
I just assumed they were the rare male and female identical twins.. Can't say that was really a lead up for me. I definitely didn't see it coming!Just because you (or most people) didn't see it coming, doesn't mean the lead-ups and foreshadowing weren't there. In fact, if you don't see it coming, then reread it a second time and see it coming, that means it was incredibly skilled writing.
My point is, it is NOT so very fluid. You can look at someones DNA, and look at their genes, and know what they are biology. Their gender is absolutely, completely separate.
Sorry if someone's mentioned this already... But there was another visual foreshadowing that Claire was trans which exists.
Male characters do not have lips in QC, only female characters. Claire has no lips.
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Claire is a female character. Clearly, then, some female characters do not have lips.I was talking about her being genetically male. Of course she's female. But her lack of lips is a visual indication that she's trans. Passing can be hard for some folks yo. There's a reason FFS exists.
1. I would suspect she is MTF (Male-turning-Female). It also might explain why she's somewhat older than what we'd expect for a college intern, as it took her a while to get into Smif. You know, an all-women's college?
It is also rather nice Jeph for this to do this, he can enlighten some of us out there (like myself) who are rather ignorant of transsexuals due to lack of exposure and public attention.Same here, I'm quite ignorant in this particular subject and I'm very interested! :)
1. I would suspect she is MTF (Male-turning-Female). It also might explain why she's somewhat older than what we'd expect for a college intern, as it took her a while to get into Smif. You know, an all-women's college?I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at one point that Claire is a graduate student. I don't know about Smif, but from what I've seen from other women's colleges, they're less picky about male graduate students (in some fields such as physics, they have the choice between admitting male grad students or admitting no grad students). So if Smif is like that, I don't see any reason why they would have a problem with a male-to-female transgendered person.
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I thought Jeph was jumping the shark with having Dora and Tai start going out but now he is just randomly throwing things in here just for no reason. It's more like he is turning QC into a sort of social commentary
Claire is transgender? Really? I thought Jeph was jumping the shark with having Dora and Tai start going out but now he is just randomly throwing things in here just for no reason. [...]Err, what ? Why "no reason" ? Its pretty obvious now why she's so much like her brother. I thought the whole thing was arranged in a pretty nifty way.
I really wish more peoples' reaction to this was the same as Marten's - "oh, okay. cool,"
followed by promptly moving on to things that are relevant.
QuoteMarten's virtues, front and center. Everyone should have a friend like that.
Agreed, Marten handled that seemingly perfectly. Well done to Claire too for picking the person, moment, and fashion in which to release that information.
No Marten-Claire kisses then?
This would somewhat explain the more fiery sibling rivalry now. Though "trans" is a bit of an umbrella term and doesn't explain it all.
Clinton strikes me as the type of person who is chomping at the bit for a transhuman operation to make himself into an astral corona-surfing robo-whale (go play Eclipse Phase, kids! It's hella fun!), so I can't imagine a "simple" change of gender or sexual organs bothering him in the least. I expect when the two of them had the conversation about Claire's gender identity, his first reaction was "Psh, that's ALL you want to change when we've got fully-lifelike cybernetic prosthetics available? Plebeian." Any animosity between the two is just typical sibling annoyances.
I'm just surprised no one else has mentioned being concerned about Marten's reaction to Faye here - I get the feeling he's genuinely feeling a little down about Faye and others being all happy-relationship-y when he's possibly feeling a little lonely romance-wise, not purely reacting to Faye's abrasiveness. I mean, the abrasiveness he's used to, right?
I think the fiery sibling rivalry is way more explained by the fact that they're twins, or even siblings.
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There actually were some lead-ups. Clinton and Claire are twins. We assumed fraternal. But they were really identical.
Seriously, look at the first panel of this comic. Jeph copy+pasted their heads, then drew different hairstyles on them.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2321
Clinton strikes me as the type of person who is chomping at the bit for a transhuman operation to make himself into an astral corona-surfing robo-whale (go play Eclipse Phase, kids! It's hella fun!), so I can't imagine a "simple" change of gender or sexual organs bothering him in the least. I expect when the two of them had the conversation about Claire's gender identity, his first reaction was "Psh, that's ALL you want to change when we've got fully-lifelike cybernetic prosthetics available? Plebeian." Any animosity between the two is just typical sibling annoyances.
This would somewhat explain the more fiery sibling rivalry now. Though "trans" is a bit of an umbrella term and doesn't explain it all.
I think the fiery sibling rivalry is way more explained by the fact that they're twins, or even siblings. Jeph might have had your thoughts, but Claire identifying as trans doesn't really explain anything more about their rivalry than them being siblings would.
I expect this may be answered in the coming months, but I wonder if Claire is a little resentful for how 'easy' it was for Clinton to fix his firework accident. If they haven't developed much better reassignment procedures in the QCverse, I'd imagine it's frustrating to see self induced harm stemming from stupidity corrected in awesome ways when it's such an ordeal to just get your body the way it ought to be.I'd say in a world where fully functional sentient AIs exist and robot bodies for those AIs that are indistinguishable from humans in movement and speech are affordable for your average middle class person, surgery should be pretty far advanced too.
The other thing I'm wondering is how this is going to be revealed to the wider cast and how they'll react. Some would probably react like Marten but I can see a lot of uncomfortable questions from Emily.
Edit: Claire and Clinton are 3 years apart. They are not twins, Claire is older.
Odd, my take away on the impact of the Claire/Clinton relationship is different than most in this topic have presented. I think that rather than showing that Clinton is not accepting of her like some have suggested, that this knowledge lets us see that he actually really does love her deeply and their bickering is just normal sibling problems.
The reason I say this is because I believe if he truly was as unaccepting or hateful toward her as some have suggested that he would have outed her long ago.
I'm kind of interested to see where this goes. I don't think there's a point to introducing an explicitly trans character and then not doing anything about it, but I can't really imagine there's that much of a story to tell beyond talking about things that happened in the past.
Claire's trans-ness (what's the right word here? Don't kill me, angry tumblr-people!!)
Claire's trans-ness (what's the right word here? Don't kill me, angry tumblr-people!!)
trans-ship
/logistics joke
trans*Another question from one of the people who are somewhat uneducated on the matter:
the * is used in a lot of contexts as a placeholder. Like when you put into your computer search *.jpg it will show you all files that end in .jpg. In this context it means that it encompasses all different trans folk.
the * is used in a lot of contexts as a placeholder. Like when you put into your computer search *.jpg it will show you all files that end in .jpg. In this context it means that it encompasses all different trans folk.
the * is used in a lot of contexts as a placeholder. Like when you put into your computer search *.jpg it will show you all files that end in .jpg. In this context it means that it encompasses all different trans folk.
It would be humorous in a kind of Laurel and Hardy way which wouldn't suit the comic, tho.
I want to talk about the comic.
Claire is not a "trans person introduced to appeal to a demographic". She is a high-strung driven character introduced to be funny, who has a background. So far every background we know about has been non-boring.
She is not there to push an agenda. Jeph's comments about people trying to read an agenda into the comic are a matter of record and, er, frank and unambiguous.
The comic was also characterization in that it revealed Claire is a good judge of people. She figured out that Marten was a safe person to talk to about a sensitive personal subject.
Are we really making semi-crude* comments about someone's appearance in terms of 'hotness' right now?What? So now I can't say someone looks very good and I find really attractive?
Also, 12 pages by Wednesday. Anyone want to take that bet?I raise to 14 minimum.
I have to admit, I'm not all that suprised. I'd been thinking how odd it would be that Claire should look like her twin brother. Identical twins come from a single egg (Monozygotic), so they would be the same gender. For a male/female twin combo, you would expect dizygotic twins, who would not look any more alike than any other siblings.
I mean this in all sincerity, as I am merely trying to understand: Claire was born male?
I mean this in all sincerity, as I am merely trying to understand: Claire was born male?
I'm not sure what would be worse - Emily finding out, or a drunken Faye.
I mean this in all sincerity, as I am merely trying to understand: Claire was born male?We don't know yet.
Oh lord. I just imagined Emily asking questions with the same amount of sensitivity, awareness, and tact that she showed with Momo. I hope she doesn't find out.
I've just gotta say, I'm still bummed that my old guess of Emily being the trans character was wrong. I was so sure the first intern to take an interest in Momo would be the one.
I mean, seriously, the existence of a race of sentient beings that can freely swap between bodies whenever they feel like it has got to be annoying as hell for a struggling transperson in QC-verse.
There's "confusion", and there's the fact that English is not at all suited for the task at hand.
Jeph is going to do a respectful job, based on all we've seen of his work. He's visibly tried to educate himself.
Well. That was unexpected o.o Kinda cool, though. You don't see many trans characters in media, unless its specifically aimed at the LGBTQ community. Nice to see that trend get broken now and then :)
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Her surname has been given as Azuma, which is Japanese (it's in homage to the author of Azumanga Daioh, of course). I don't know the status of trans people in Japan - I would suspect fraught.
The are not twins! (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277)
Seriously, I know its silly of me to be getting annoyed at this, but can people please stop calling them twins. Its already been established in canon that Claire is three years older than Clinton. I don't think its possible for one twin to be three years older than the other.
I find it especially annoying when someone is criticizing Jeph for not putting in enough clues when the person can't seem to be clued in to something that has been straight out SAID (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281) in the dialogue of the comic.
They are not twins! (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277)
Seriously, I know its silly of me to be getting annoyed at this, but can people please stop calling them twins. Its already been established in canon that Claire is three years older than Clinton. I don't think its possible for one twin to be three years older than the other.
I find it especially annoying when someone is criticizing Jeph for not putting in enough clues when the person can't seem to be clued in to something that has been straight out SAID (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281) in the dialogue of the comic.
I've found I've had to repeat myself on a number of occasions on things like that (namely, that Tai had always been poly, when it was stated quite clearly that she was not, and even had an aversion to the idea of being poly until a substance-induced night of shenanigans).I wonder if Claire would have raised the same ire as Tai did if she had come out as not being trans?
This puts Claire's comment in the last panel of this comic in a new light
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2280
The are not twins! (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277)
Seriously, I know its silly of me to be getting annoyed at this, but can people please stop calling them twins. Its already been established in canon that Claire is three years older than Clinton. I don't think its possible for one twin to be three years older than the other.
I find it especially annoying when someone is criticizing Jeph for not putting in enough clues when the person can't seem to be clued in to something that has been straight out SAID (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281) in the dialogue of the comic.
Has Jeph confirmed it outside of the comic? Because the possibility that they actually are twins and only say they're not is still there if he hasn't.
Has Jeph confirmed it outside of the comic? Because the possibility that they actually are twins and only say they're not is still there if he hasn't.That seems like a highly unlikely thing to lie about. What would be the purpose?
To avoid outing her as trans, maybe?
It's made me happy to see so many other trans* people posting in this thread. Just warm the very cockles of my heart.
Because they look identical (obviously, stylized art, but still). Of course, there are dizygotic twins (i.e. not identical) but it still seems to me like it's easier to just claim they're not twins at all. And seriously - you don't find their insistence that they're not twins the least bit fishy?To avoid outing her as trans, maybe?How would them being twins out her as trans?
Has Jeph confirmed it outside of the comic? Because the possibility that they actually are twins and only say they're not is still there if he hasn't.
Because they look identical (obviously, stylized art, but still). Of course, there are dizygotic twins (i.e. not identical) but it still seems to me like it's easier to just claim they're not twins at all. And seriously - you don't find their insistence that they're not twins the least bit fishy?
I'm not saying they are twins, just that the possibility is there until Jeph confirms it outside of the comic (which he already might have, for all I know).
EDIT: #### it, NINJA'D by the Red Text AGAIN.
...HE said "WE'RE NOT TWINS" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277) - then we should probably assume...
...HE said "WE'RE NOT TWINS" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277) - then we should probably assume...
In that comic. Second panel, on claire.
Bam. Adam's apple.
In both the comics you quoted, look at Hannelore....HE said "WE'RE NOT TWINS" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2277) - then we should probably assume...In fact, that adam's apple is visible in a few pages. Most notably, this one: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2278
I believe that PHDrillSergeant is referring to here:
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Circled spot.
It might be a trick of the light, but it does look like an Adam's Apple. I see no such spot on Hanners' neck.
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Has Jeph confirmed it outside of the comic? Because the possibility that they actually are twins and only say they're not is still there if he hasn't.Wait, what? That's not how it works. It was said in the comic which makes it canon. The only thing that could overturn that is if it was somehow shown she was lying...also within the comic.
Is it REALLY necessary to go through every picture of Claire and point out every physical aspect that MIGHT be interpreted as "male"? It's incredibly rude, disrespectful and really goes against what Jeph is trying to say in the latest comic. Marten reacts with an "OK, cool" because QC is a world of diversities and most importantly, acceptance.
You want to know how to treat trans people? As PEOPLE.
Sorry if someone's mentioned this already... But there was another visual foreshadowing that Claire was trans which exists.
Male characters do not have lips in QC, only female characters. Claire has no lips. That's an indication that she's genetically male, as it's a universal sex trait in the QC universe.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/25k7jps.jpg)
I hope we can treat Claire as a person and still play the over-analysis game.Its the best kind of game!
fallout from the tumblr incidentBut which one?
I hope we can treat Claire as a person and still play the over-analysis game.
The answer to these questions (Is he ftm or is she mtf? Pre-Op or Post-Op?) has a huge bearing on her identity. Since she (since we don't know for sure and I absolutely HATE to use they as a pronoun for a single person, I'll use the female form for Claire now) is not a real person that we can interact with there is no reference, like voice, habit or the content of a conversation, to learn about her identity.
I understand the impulse to anyalyze every bit of media I like, but I can also see that it would be really hurtful to someone if they told me they were trans* and my response was "oh, NOW I see it! I'm going to scrutinize your body and point out all the imperfections I didn't even notice before!" Which is not to say I don't think there's value in going back through the comic, but I think Claire's words more than her appearance are better foreshadowing.
I loved this comic. Panel 5, in particular. So much said without dialogue! I may have squeed.
I understand the impulse to anyalyze every bit of media I like, but I can also see that it would be really hurtful to someone if they told me they were trans* and my response was "oh, NOW I see it! I'm going to scrutinize your body and point out all the imperfections I didn't even notice before!" Which is not to say I don't think there's value in going back through the comic, but I think Claire's words more than her appearance are better foreshadowing.
I loved this comic. Panel 5, in particular. So much said without dialogue! I may have squeed.
I've been reading QC since around comic 100, and this comic and the forums discussion made me register for the first time, despite a general dislike of forums. (No offense to those of you who like them! Just, y'know.)
But seriously, I kind of hope Jeph didn't intend that. All this looking for tells is awful.
Why is it in general that men aren't drawn with lips, anyway? Sometimes it's that lips are only drawn when someone's wearing lipstick, but often women are drawn with faint lips even when they aren't supposed to be wearing lipstick, whereas men have none except on the rare occasions they do. Lips can be pretty obvious; I remember being struck by how much mine stood out when I took off my moustache.
I've been having trouble keeping up with this thread - it's just moving too quickly.
Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.I havent even started writing said post and I should already "review" it ?
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.Gah ! Just post this dammit !
They're not twins (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281).
The entire discussion shines an interesting light on this comic (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2301).
The blush. Dude. The blush. Why do people always go straight for the pelvic reaction? :psyduck:
I mean seriously... in about 7 pages of heavy discussion I managed to keep my mind far away from anything below the belt... I am just too innocent. °O
It is an indicator of being attracted to/by something IN YOUR MIND. Nevermind the outward biological situation. Actually screw the biological situation, I'm thinking about the psychological stuff here. °OThe blush. Dude. The blush. Why do people always go straight for the pelvic reaction? :psyduck:Cause when I think of blushing, I don't instantly think of it being an indicator if someone is a biological male/female, or an affont to certain idiotic people with small........minds.
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[ ... ] They must surely have a policy on the matter. I wonder if I could ask?I think you should. Asking is / should be free and it would be immensely educational. °O
Really happy for two things:Well, it's gotten to the point where people aren't just shooting out questions/speculation about Claire's junk, and getting into the serious territory where these things should end up. It's also great to see trans* people signing up and giving their accounts and insights (and the bajillion links to various trans* information sites also clarified a lot). But it's like someone posted earlier in the thread (I just finished reading it, I am NOT trawling back through to find it, but I WILL thank you anyway for it), and what I've always thought: people just want to be treated as people.
A. The discussion here, while more active than normal, is respectful to each other while still being interesting; and
B. Marten realizes this is a coffee discussion item, vice need other drinks to try and process.
Well done.
And this little revelation certainly clarifies some of Claire's comments earlier in the strip. I await seeing how some of the others will handle it.
Jeph's starting to toe the line with "fucking this up."
I would never give permission for someone else to talk about my gender status to anyone else. That's just asking for trouble.
Although I am wondering where everyone else in the party has gone.
I'm finding the strips and the discussion on this comic very interesting. Although I am wondering where everyone else in the party has gone.
too much frustration and hostility
...instead of sexuality of the characters.
...shoould have been more conservative in their enrollment of their all female students, or else just make it an open campus.
Another Pratchett lover here: What you describe above is correct as far as I can remember Equal Rites. I just wanted to add that a sort follow up on what happened to Esk once she was grown up, appeared in 'I Shall Wear Midnight'. This is the latest in the Discworld Young Adult books, and may have been overlooked by some casual Discworld readers.I've just started reading Terry Pratchett's Equal Rites...<SNIP><SNIP>
I mean, seriously, the existence of a race of sentient beings that can freely swap between bodies whenever they feel like it has got to be annoying as hell for a struggling transperson in QC-verse.
Jeph's starting to toe the line with "fucking this up."
I would never give permission for someone else to talk about my gender status to anyone else. That's just asking for trouble.
Yet another long-time trans* reader lured out of the shadows of the Internet over this comic!
Mostly wanted to say thanks for the refreshingly mature discussions, and the links!
Also I must warn you of a terrible fate that may befall us all!
Jeph sez: "OCD IS BAD: Nitpicking and/or placing way too much importance on minutiae while missing the big picture is probably Jeph's biggest pet peeve. Not every little detail is Fraught With Meaning." :psyduck:
English is not my mother language, and I hope that it won't show too badly.
I just hope he doesn't get drunk and tell Pintsize.
- This thread.
I read slowly all the posts, and all i could thinks was that it remind me this xD (no offense):
image snip (http://i.imgur.com/h9QHe.jpg)
Marten is probably doing the worst possible thing in this situation. Who knows how Claire's taste buds will react in horror when she tastes Marten's coffee of doom (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1004).Well spotted. One can only hope he's not the one who prepared it.
Well, there is a debate in France right now about extension of marriage to everybody, including homosexual couples and I must some arguments are quite nauseating. A bishop actually had the gall to say that first, it was gay marriage, and then incest and zoophilia. You can imagine what is being said about trangender people.I haven't heard much in France about trans* people specifically. There's been a few legal and administrative issues that made it to the news, but I can't say I remember hearing statements about it from the clergy.
Before this thread goes nuclear, I'm off to that concrete, reinforced underground bunker I had built after the Dora/Marten Meltdown of '10. All necessary invites have been sent out and the last of the tinned food has been brought in.
I have no words for how this thread is going.I'll bring some cookies!
Before this thread goes nuclear, I'm off to that concrete, reinforced underground bunker I had built after the Dora/Marten Meltdown of '10. All necessary invites have been sent out and the last of the tinned food has been brought in.
I, for one, will go down with the forum. Forumites...it's been an honor.Before this thread goes nuclear, I'm off to that concrete, reinforced underground bunker I had built after the Dora/Marten Meltdown of '10. All necessary invites have been sent out and the last of the tinned food has been brought in.
See you in half an hour. I'll bring the beer and jerkey.
There's some very nice drawing of facial expressions and body-language in this comic (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2324) too.
Before this thread goes nuclear, I'm off to that concrete, reinforced underground bunker I had built after the Dora/Marten Meltdown of '10. All necessary invites have been sent out and the last of the tinned food has been brought in.
See you in half an hour. I'll bring the beer and jerkey.
Don't worry. This forum survived the tidal wave of hate aimed towards Dora during the break-up and the pool ripple of Dora going out with Jim and the dropper of water of Tai asking out Dora. It'll survive this.
Apparently, whatever will destroy the forum will need some sort of kaijin-Dora. Queen Gi-Dora?
Maybe I'm exposed to some rather bad places, and I know I'm new so I don't have the same perspectives, but I admit I'm hard-pressed to why there's as many people as there are (mind you a minority) implying or indicating this thread is a flaming warzone, unless I'm missing something here. It's been rather civil I thought. More civil than a lot of internet and meatspace discussions (or 'discussions' sometimes) I've been in and seen.
Don't worry. This forum survived the tidal wave of hate aimed towards Dora during the break-up and the pool ripple of Dora going out with Jim and the dropper of water of Tai asking out Dora. It'll survive this.
Apparently, whatever will destroy the forum will need some sort of kaijin-Dora. Queen Gi-Dora?
Wait, the Tai/Dora explosion was a water drop? I'm kind of glad I've only been on the forums fairly recently o_o;;
Apparently, on this forum it's deemed acceptable to unleash frothing, self-righteous holy fury on people (and their countries) for daring to suggest that trans people should be treated just like everyone else.(moderator)
I'd have been willing to declare Thread won, but you can't just claim it yourself, MillionLebron Belt Sander.
...c-can you?
I've also helped manage a small-town newspaper's anonymous comment section; talk about something that destroys your faith in humanity.I did that 15-20 years ago, but I moderated it, posting an Ed Note: to challenge the obviously wrong-headed, and often with a quip or a pun. I was the second to do this, and under the first guy, Ed Note became a personality whose real identity was the subject of a lot of community guessing.
To those people going through the comics looking for signs of her being a cis male: stop it. It's really not cool.
I know, I know, "but she's only a character!". How you are reacting reflects on how many, many people react to trans* people IRL. And it's embarrassing and infuriating.
Especially to the person who went "Boom: Adams Apple". Stop that shit. Seriously.
Maybe I'm exposed to some rather bad places, and I know I'm new so I don't have the same perspectives, but I admit I'm hard-pressed to why there's as many people as there are (mind you a minority) implying or indicating this thread is a flaming warzone, unless I'm missing something here. It's been rather civil I thought. More civil than a lot of internet and meatspace discussions (or 'discussions' sometimes) I've been in and seen.
... I'd like to think Jaques had this planned beforehand.
2. M$BS can't "win" this thread, because I'd have to LET him win it, as the OP&P (Original Poster and Pollster).
That being said - M$BS? Win.
... I'd like to think Jaques had this planned beforehand.
Indeed.
(http://i.imgur.com/1rMkN.jpg)
What if someone pulled the plug from the belt sander and took away the rechargable battery?
Interesting.
Marten wins with the non-reaction. Just what Claire needed, I'm sure.
What if someone pulled the plug from the belt sander and took away the rechargable battery?
He switches in the gas engine. If that goes out, there's a drive belt all ready to hook up to the flywheel of a steam thresher. I've heard rumors of a mastodon on a treadmill.
For some reason, I was not surprised at this new turn.
I mean, let's see, my experiences have been a bit sour, but even if I became supreme leader of x-land and throw everyone out, I have no problem with Trans-persons, so long, as most will agree, they are nice to me. No "Scum" stuff, no "privilege" or any of that PC-whining stuff, and I can't see much going wrong.
Likewise, this [this storyline] is going to get interesting. Who knows how the other characters react, if this spreads.
Though that might turn to Cerebus Syndrome, and eh....
K1d: I would hope it ends up less boilerplate than that, since there are so many larger issues you can work with...
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Edit: Jeph's gonna fire up the livestream in a little while ^^ I can't wait to see what's next :-) .
Now here is the plot twist: ALL of the interns are Trans.
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I wonder how far the QC world has moved in that direction? Henry and Maurice can legally get married there. There's legal equality for AIs, though that was a long struggle only recently won. On the other hand, a landlord has gotten away with asking a prospective tenant about her religion.
I don't think we really know enough about Gabby to predict her response."
[not going to read 13 pages]Ey, if i did it ... :-D
Sooo, a thought just occurred to me. What if the reason Clinton thinks Claire is "weird" and stuff is because he's freaked out by her trans status and is not supportive about her transition? That would be sad =(.I don't think so.
1. This is nothing compared to what the Dorapocalypse was two years ago. This stuff is downright civil compared to that.
This forum survived the tidal wave of hate aimed towards Dora during the break-up and the pool ripple of Dora going out with Jim and the dropper of water of Tai asking out Dora. It'll survive this.
Warning - while you were reading 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.Oh gimme a break.
Well, in the spirit of over-analyzing, I'd like to consider how each character would react to the news if they end up hearing about it. :)
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Comments? (Did I forget anybody?)
For the record, panel 3 kind of annoys me.
You really cant snatch a cup of coffee like that without spilling the liquid all over the place.
Well, in the spirit of over-analyzing, I'd like to consider how each character would react to the news if they end up hearing about it. :)
Hannelore would also be okay with it and have a surprising amount of knowledge about it, considering her compulsion for researching things.
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It's really not that bad. The first f-word hasn't even been thrown yet.
(Just don't let us get slash-dotted!)
Also, maybe Clinton is just super-defensive around people he sees as popular. I get the vibe that he's not had an easy time of it (bullied probably, considered weird certainly - he has a robot hand and red hair) and it's not out of character for people to be overly aggressive as a defense mechanism long after it has become unnecessary.
Has anyone let Evildog know he can leave the bunker yet? We hadn't had an opportunity to hook up the plumbing yet, and I think the "facilities" might be getting a bit ripe at this point.
Just to make it abundantly clear.
It is never.
Under any circumstances.
Ever.
Appropriate to refer.
To a human being as
It.
On a topic related to the comic and less to the current posting, why does Clinton seem to hate Marten so much?
Yes. Thank you.
Now I'm going back to the reinforced bunker.
...And this is why I am filled with dread at the progression of the current story arc.
Because Jeph will certainly treat the subject matter with care and respect, but no matter what he does, no matter how he proceeds, he cannot win. If everyone in the cast is fully accepting of Claire as she is, for who she is, Jeph will be derided for displaying an inaccurate representation of the realities trans people face. If, say, Emily, behaves as Emily does, as is characteristic for her, with an innocent lack of tact and sensitivity, Jeph will be condemned for somehow endorsing such tactlessness and insensitivity. If Claire displays any sort of personal preference that does not completely align with the "acceptable" trans experience (as has already happened, by her saying that it was okay for Marten to answer honestly if someone asked) then Jeph will receive even more abuse, as if each and every trans person must be exactly the same.
And every flame, every complaint, every bit of condemnation, will begin with or include the word "cis".
This makes me incredibly, incredibly sad. For Jeph, and for everyone else.
And that is all I have to say.
Yes. Thank you.
Now I'm going back to the reinforced bunker.
Can I get in there with you. I promise I'll leave my Dick-broom outside.
I think I broke it anyway. No matter, it was useless to begin with.
I know this citizenship thing is definitely not the same thing we are currently discussing but yeah... I've been living in Sweden for 7,5 years now. Got my citizenship 2 years ago, got a swedish pass, speak the language and feel integrated... If someone comes and tell me that I will never be swedish. I will get seriously mad.Du är nu och för alltid svensk, min broder! BORK BORK BORK
On a topic related to the comic and less to the current posting, why does Clinton seem to hate Marten so much?
Am i only one that wants too see Clair suffer? I mean, i enjoy reading/watching tragedyI don't want to see anyone in the comic suffer, but it would be interesting to see how Jeph would handle a character being offensive to Claire. (I suspect that Jeph is actually setting things up for this (possibly in Friday or Monday's strip, even), with the interaction between Clinton and Marten in today's strip.)
For future reference, if you're trying to divine some overarching moral standpoint from my comic: the moral of my comic is that people should try to be nice to each other.
The fact that Clinton apparently harbours some hatred and/or resentment toward Marten (possibly for Hanners-related reasons, as previously stated in this thread) is very amusing to me, though I'm not entirely sure why.
Yes. Thank you.
Now I'm going back to the reinforced bunker.
Can I get in there with you. I promise I'll leave my Dick-broom outside.
I think I broke it anyway. No matter, it was useless to begin with.
You were already on the preapproved list.
You can't have any tinned peaches though.
Thirdly, it's growing use in conjunction with trans in regards to gender is fulfilling a purpose in un-othering trans*people. Think of it in this context, which are less potentially insulting in the following: Are you gay or normal vs are you gay or hetero; are you trans or normal vs are you trans or cis. There needs to be some terminology other than normal vs 'deviant' or 'other' and all the inherent problems therein, and cis is actually appropriate for this purpose.
I'd just like to point out that "normal" is a quite valid word to use, based solely on statistics. There's something similar with regard to autism spectrum disorders—it's PC to refer to non-autistic people as "neurotypical." Looking clinically at a population sample, "normal" and "typical" should mean the same thing. The fact that people behave as if they don't is an effect of context and mental associations.
The problem, then, is that people logically associate "normal" with its antonym "abnormal" (so far so good), and then associate "abnormal" with "bad" (major issues here). Language is strange.
The fact that Clinton apparently harbours some hatred and/or resentment toward Marten (possibly for Hanners-related reasons, as previously stated in this thread) is very amusing to me, though I'm not entirely sure why.I can't think of anyone in the comic who doesn't like Marten. I think it'd be neat to have someone who would rather not be around him.
I can't think of anyone in the comic who doesn't like Marten. I think it'd be neat to have someone who would rather not be around him.
I can't think of anyone in the comic who doesn't like Marten. I think it'd be neat to have someone who would rather not be around him.
I always thought Penelope didn't much care for Marten. But then you could probably read that from her interactions with several other characters who aren't Wil, so maybe she's just a little ornery in general. :-D
talk to the hand
The fact that Clinton apparently harbours some hatred and/or resentment toward Marten (possibly for Hanners-related reasons, as previously stated in this thread) is very amusing to me, though I'm not entirely sure why.
He might be a bit sore about this...http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1909 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1909)
Also, ink slinger, somewhere there's an option to disable those warnings if they're getting too annoying.
PffffHAHAHA! Look at Marten's hands in the last panel! He's doing the little "I'm so angry I'm gonna put my arms straight down and turn my fists up at the wrists" thing Hannelore does. It's adorable!
PffffHAHAHA! Look at Marten's hands in the last panel! He's doing the little "I'm so angry I'm gonna put my arms straight down and turn my fists up at the wrists" thing Hannelore does. It's adorable!
Marten is just too cute. I doubt he actually does anything to get his coffee back either.
On a topic related to the comic and less to the current posting, why does Clinton seem to hate Marten so much?
I think it was touched on a couple pages ago maybe? Anyway Marten kicked Clinton out of his apartment the first time he met Hanners, daughter of his beloved idol Hannerdad. I think someone brought up jealousy of his and Hanner's closeness, too. Throw that on top of his natural protectiveness and you get "oh i guess you're not ALL bad then"
My guess? Probably because Marten threatened him with a sword when Clinton was perving over Hanners.
Clinton's reaction may have nothing to do with Marten in particular. It's consistent with a life experience of Claire usually getting hostile reactions. He may just expect the worst of anyone who finds out. This could even be subtle artistry where Jeph is communicating the life experience of trans people encountering hostility without changing his lighthearted tone by showing hostility on screen.
Claire has a supportive family!
Clinton's reaction may have nothing to do with Marten in particular. It's consistent with a life experience of Claire usually getting hostile reactions. He may just expect the worst of anyone who finds out. This could even be subtle artistry where Jeph is communicating the life experience of trans people encountering hostility without changing his lighthearted tone by showing hostility on screen.
Claire has a supportive family!
This is the same impression I got from his reaction - they might bicker as siblings do, but outsiders berating them is Not Allowed, and the way he was immediately ready to leap to her defense implies it is something he's had to do before.
...eh I'm probably over thinking it.
So how about that comic.
It's pretty awesome.
I do love the expressions in the last panel.
It is well drawn!
I wonder if Claire told her brother that she'd told Marten as a way to give him someone to talk to about this stuff..
So how about that comic.
It's pretty awesome.
New user here, first post, hi all! I more or less specifically registered to reply to this.
New user here, first post, hi all! I more or less specifically registered to reply to this.
Welcome!
If Pintsize really runs for presidency, I say he must wear the hat and the subtle beard!!!!!
It's not a question of rights. It's a very simple rule: Don't be a dick. I have every right to call you Ape, Meat, Eukaryote, Bag of Water, or Heap of Protons. And I hope you'll agree that all these designations are true in certain contexts. But I won't (except here, and only as an example), because I respect the fact that you are a person.
Mind you, the source is Wikipedia, but Wikipedia claims that an XY female does not have ovaries, and therefore cannot produce eggs. (And, also, the various female hormones wouldn't be produced, so puberty would essentially not happen, but apparently if HRT is used, menstruation and even pregnancy via embryo transfer are possible.)
Also, Wikipedia claims that XX males are sterile, too.
I think she was actually beginning to tell him before Faye interrupted.
It's not a question of rights. It's a very simple rule: Don't be a dick. I have every right to call you Ape, Meat, Eukaryote, Bag of Water, or Heap of Protons. And I hope you'll agree that all these designations are true in certain contexts. But I won't (except here, and only as an example), because I respect the fact that you are a person.
Yes, this...So much.
Also welcome!
I have to dissent a little, I think Momo would be a better president. Pintsize would be an excellent Vice-President though.
I also got that vibe. I love how she told him, it's basically how I have told everyone.
I also got that vibe. I love how she told him, it's basically how I have told everyone.
It's how three of my friends told me!
18 pages. Not bad.
"People should try to be nice to each other. And don't be a ####."
I think that's what the boss would say (in-between signing books and downing Percocets).
Karen: Interestingly, Jeph's actually touched on AnthroPC gender.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=339
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=346
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=347
So, looks like AnthroPCs don't have a sex per se (edit: the chassis could - in the case of Momo, it could be argued that it does), but they have a configurable gender as part of the AI, and can have something that serves as sexual activity (and appears to be non-gender-specific).
But if Momo was switched to a male chassis and didn't have the gender switch flipped in the software, would you call Momo he or she?
I would argue that Momo's chassis has a sex. Pintsize's doesn't. But if Momo was switched to a male chassis and didn't have the gender switch flipped in the software, would you (plural you, open to anyone) call Momo he or she?
So how about that comic.
It's pretty awesome.
I do love the expressions in the last panel.
Why thank you! I was actually thinking of Pintsize in cheerleader skirt and pom-poms. It's from a filler comic from a while back with Faye, Marten and Hannelore in sports outfits. I've seen it this afternoon when I was re-reading some of the strips, but I cannot find it anymore. Maybe some kind soul can point me to it?
jeph jacques @jephjacques
“@IsilD: @jephjacques Did you intentionally time this story arc to coincide with the Trans Day of Remembrance?” nope, serendipity
So how about that comic.
It's pretty awesome.
I do love the expressions in the last panel.
I've long thought Jeph excels at facial expressions.
Oh, when you suggested Pintsize for Vice-President, was the pun deliberate?
Hannelore's mannerisms are somewhat different from her early appearances. Obviously some of that can be chalked up to having yay-friends, but she also sometimes freaks for a moment a lot quicker. I want to say there was a mention of changing dosages of her meds way back in the day, but I don't know. Do I have the right of it, or am I inserting something that wasn't there?
Hannelore's mannerisms are somewhat different from her early appearances. Obviously some of that can be chalked up to having yay-friends, but she also sometimes freaks for a moment a lot quicker. I want to say there was a mention of changing dosages of her meds way back in the day, but I don't know. Do I have the right of it, or am I inserting something that wasn't there?
I have an actual question or two about the comic, after looking through some of these older linked strips.
Now characters change. Sometimes it's due to developmental progression, sometimes it's due to a storyteller changing their mind over what they're looking to do with that character, or discovering what works better for that character, etc.
Hannelore's mannerisms are somewhat different from her early appearances. Obviously some of that can be chalked up to having yay-friends, but she also sometimes freaks for a moment a lot quicker. I want to say there was a mention of changing dosages of her meds way back in the day, but I don't know. Do I have the right of it, or am I inserting something that wasn't there?
Also need more Winslow, but that's neither here nor there.
That would be an interesting and potentially hilarious way to out her without people we like being too offensive, actually - have a group be arrested, and have Claire (if she hasn't been surgically corrected) be placed with the male prisoners. Plus it'd highlight the stupidity of that particular subject.
That... that's pretty much all they have to say, they... just have the one strip.
What's known about Hannelore's psychological history is consolidated at
http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Hannelore_Ellicott-Chatham
It's all of the above, plus psychotherapy. She is immeasurably better now than in her childhood.
Many, many words... that actually made sense even at this time of night in this insomniac state of mine.First off, and to repeat practically everyone's sentiments: One hell of an introduction, there! We also hope you stay for the shenanigans...
Well if you'd like you can let OMGTurkeys live and eat a WTFDuck or something. :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
WTFDuck needs to become a thing.
Said by the duck attack survivor.
What he said.
While Cosette is renting out Steve's butt, maybe Claire can rent out Clinton to trans people who need a good family member.
Perhaps Claire isn't the first person to "come out" to him.
...Like, say, Dad?
What beans though! Jinx what!
Curses, now we have to wait [measure of time greater than three days]!
Happy thanksgiving y'all. I can't stomach turkey, though. Good thing we don't celebrate it here in Sweden.Nothing wrong with turkey. Though we could use a holiday in the autumn to get a day or two off, not necessarily Thanksgiving. There's way too many holidays in the spring and not enough in the (grey and boring) autumn.
Hmm -- the more charged the situation is, the better he performs? He managed to be supportive and not stammer during The Talk.
Or having a friend needing support switches on his higher functions.
When it comes to trying to be super-careful to say exactly the right thing (i.e. Mar-Bear/bikini situation) - I will absolutely fuck it up. I get flustered, inadvertently make an inappropriate joke, you name it. When I get anxious, it gets ugly, and I will usually say the wrong thing.It's a strange phenomenon for sure. I'm about the same as well (except my life is more or less lived online, which does help when you can revise your thoughts before submitting them). Under normal circumstances, I'm pretty much either a stammering idiot, or silent, awkwardness and all. But when something is up with someone, you just... say the things you think they need to hear, and it's helpful.
But when my brain switches into crisis mode - i.e. friend in distress, taking control of a chaotic situation, someone needs to be cared for - everything is calm. No stress, no anxiety, I just do exactly what needs to be done. Be totally supportive, listen, give feedback - even if it's something that directly involves me. The switch just flips, it's crazy.
It's weird, man, I dunno why it happens that way - but I feel like Marten's got something similar going on, like you said.
it's bunkum.
What beans though! Jinx what!
Curses, now we have to wait [measure of time greater than three days]!
I think the beans in questions were the fact that Claire is trans. She was worried that he would accidentally out her sometime during the night; she CHOSE to come out to Marten later in the night, but you'll notice she hasn't even come out to the rest of the group, so him outing her would still have been a problem.
What beans though! Jinx what!
Curses, now we have to wait [measure of time greater than three days]!
I think the beans in questions were the fact that Claire is trans. She was worried that he would accidentally out her sometime during the night; she CHOSE to come out to Marten later in the night, but you'll notice she hasn't even come out to the rest of the group, so him outing her would still have been a problem.
But then why is he worried about jinxing it? He had that look on his face that he was concerned about something... else.
I mean, you're probably right. It's just fun to think about MOAR MISTREYS
In Momo's words:
(http://i.imgur.com/GiMVZ.jpg)
What's known about Hannelore's psychological history is consolidated at
http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Hannelore_Ellicott-Chatham
It's all of the above, plus psychotherapy. She is immeasurably better now than in her childhood.
Anyone who emphasizes their lips with cosmetics (generally women) get the appearance of their lips augmented, but note the guys in the bottom row of that infographic. They all have a line that hints at their lip structure. They're not completely lipless. They're just lipstickless. It's only Clinton and Claire who are shown completely devoid of lips, but I noticed a distinct absence of Mar-bear.
Totally agreed. Not to harp on the OCD thing (it's just a coincidence that both of my comments here relate to it, lol), but someone earlier tried to say this couldn't be the case because Hanners is shown with lips and she wouldn't wear lipstick, due to her OCD. *forehead smack* No, Hannelore totally could (and probably does) wear lipstick.
Indeed.
She used it in her father's birthday in the space station (#2135 - #2160).
(http://i.imgur.com/5PTPs.jpg)
Makeup is evidently another recently acquired skill (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=944).
You've come a long way, baby.
Yeah, see! That's totally what I was- Wait. Her father has lips. Now I'm confused again.
Yeah, see! That's totally what I was- Wait. Her father has lips. Now I'm confused again.
No, he hasn't ._.
The lady in the lab coat is the "Doctor as a hobby" of the station :lol: .
It's been alternately fascinating, horrifying, satisfying, and at times, downright silly.
By the way - I get this sense that in those last panels after Marten left, Claire's voice suddenly changed by about an octave.No matter what, I still hear him with the voice of Dian Bachar in my head.
Damn, I was on my way to the bunker, and this thread happened... :psyduck: <--- Isn't this the WTF Duck? :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:Psyduck? I guess, sort of. What the duck?
Better a surplus than a dearth.