Gordon?
Hmm. Wonder whether Hannelore could arrange that stealthcraft to give Marten a ride?I was wondering that myself, actually. Hanners wasn't allowed to talk about it at the party, but she might convince her mom to allow Marten to use it.
Her mom? I thought it was one of her space-dads devices.Nope. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2297)
Her mom? I thought it was one of her space-dads devices.Nope. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2297)
Also, Marten drinks milk from a glass? I thought that fad died out a decade agoDrinking milk is a fad?
Also, Marten drinks milk from a glass? I thought that fad died out a decade agoDrinking milk is a fad?
Waffles, because he could probably find truckers to hitch with from waffle house to waffle house all the way to VermontDo they have Waffle Houses in New England? I thought it was mostly a southern thing.
Wishful prediction: Hannerdad has by now gotten the first working model of the Star Trekhuman fax machinematter transporter. Hanners will persuade him to use it to get Marten to the church on time and there will be a mishap of the type that split Capt. Horatio Horndog into his two aspects -- the wolf and the doormat.
Except in Marten's case, no one will notice anything different.
Waffles, because he could probably find truckers to hitch with from waffle house to waffle house all the way to VermontDo they have Waffle Houses in New England? I thought it was mostly a southern thing.
It is a good thing that I had this planned from the start because it was also the #1 most requested thing I got about this story!
Claire is very cute in this. Sometimes you just want an excuse to buy a fancy dress :lol:
Looks like somebody's getting shipped.
Wait, Jeph bowed to pressure from his fans? :?
Wait, Jeph bowed to pressure from his fans? :?
Where did you get that from - the fact that he told us the opposite?
It is a good thing that I had this planned from the start because it was also the #1 most requested thing I got about this story!
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He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
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[ ... ]Guys. Give it a rest. Some people just don't see the author comment between all the advertising.
Dunno if trolling or lying or......?
Wait, Jeph bowed to pressure from his fans? :?
Where did you get that from - the fact that he told us the opposite?QuoteIt is a good thing that I had this planned from the start because it was also the #1 most requested thing I got about this story!
Dunno if trolling or lying or......?
Either way...
You're very quick to level nasty accusations...
Wait, Jeph bowed to pressure from his fans? :?
Where did you get that from - the fact that he told us the opposite?
I think we all know from experience how little weight Jeph gives to fan input when making creative decisions.
He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
Please no. Please. I've lost too many trans friends that way. Yes, it would be plausible, realistic even, but not really in QC's style - any more than Momo getting set on by Fanatics and put in a crusher, then melted to slag.
Claire is very cute in this. Sometimes you just want an excuse to buy a fancy dress :lol:
Yeah, pretty sure she's been looking for one for a while.
Bury Your Gays (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays) is probably more relevant, though substitute 'trans' for 'gays' of course.He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
Please no. Please. I've lost too many trans friends that way. Yes, it would be plausible, realistic even, but not really in QC's style - any more than Momo getting set on by Fanatics and put in a crusher, then melted to slag.
Man, I hope we're not steering for Cerebus syndrome (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CerebusSyndrome).
Pot calling the kettle black.
i'd bet 100quatloos he's gonna bring claire
Y'know, this isn't really what I'd call a "date" - going to his father's wedding has a rather different focus.
Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?
Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?
Isn't she like on the other coast?
Aw man, I really wanted him to go with Hanners. :(Same here... :-\
Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?She will already be there, as Veronica's date. :psyduck:
"Let's swap!"Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?She will already be there, as Veronica's date. :psyduck:
Fancy dresses notwithstanding, this would make for some good character development for Claire. Coming out as being trans* has helped define who she is, but goes no way to defining who she is (if you understand what I mean). To those (and those considering) outside of that reference, she's just a bookish-type, introverted young lady with a pretty good, reliable, but small social circle.
[...]reason(s) that she's got such a small social circle).
Blah. I'm sick of Claire already. I wanted Marten to go with Hanners. (Or Dora, so we can throw in some ex-drama.)
Y'know, this isn't really what I'd call a "date" - going to his father's wedding has a rather different focus.
Also ... he is going to get his dad a refund on those plane tickets, right?
What was the requested thing Jeph got though?
Also, Marten drinks milk from a glass? I thought that fad died out a decade agoDrinking milk is a fad?
He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
Please no. Please. I've lost too many trans friends that way. Yes, it would be plausible, realistic even, but not really in QC's style - any more than Momo getting set on by Fanatics and put in a crusher, then melted to slag.
Claire is very cute in this. Sometimes you just want an excuse to buy a fancy dress :lol:
Yeah, pretty sure she's been looking for one for a while.
She strikes me as the kind of gal who might like to wear a wedding dress one day too. Not everyone's like that, but in her heart of hearts, maybe.
In the meantime, yes, formal attending-wedding attire! She has the figure for it too. Probably wants a hairdo, maybe a makeover... you see she probably didn't get to attend a prom, or do any of the other teenage girl stuff. She's got some making-up to do.
Marigold probably didn't either, but she might not miss it. Not too much. Or wouldn't admit it to herself.
[...]reason(s) that she's got such a small social circle).
OTOH being willing to drive people is a good way to expand the circle.
Fancy dresses notwithstanding, this would make for some good character development for Claire. Coming out as being trans* has helped define who she is, but goes no way to defining who she is (if you understand what I mean). To those (and those considering) outside of that reference, she's just a bookish-type, introverted young lady with a pretty good, reliable, but small social circle.
I, personally, would add "ambitious", "hard-working" and/or "determined" to that description (as that/those character trait(s) is/are likelyl to be the reason(s) that she's got such a small social circle).
Y'know, this isn't really what I'd call a "date" - going to his father's wedding has a rather different focus.
It really can't be a date when she's literally the last resort and was option #5, the first option being him going alone, then Faye, then Dora, then Hanners, and then Claire. Sides, not like he even thought of asking her until she offered.
Don't know why people keep trying to force ship these two. Thought we couldn't do that. Lord knows had my very first post here not been eloquently done regarding Hanners/Marten just as a dynamic I'd have gotten run off with pitchforks.
I think going to your father's same sex marriage is about just going with a good friend for support. Any romance, ugh, will be forced and awkward.
Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?
Am I the only one that wanted Padma to miraculously return and go as his date?She will already be there, as Veronica's date. :psyduck:
I think it's unfair to call Claire a "last resort".Yeah, she's lasted more than 13 episodes so she'll probably be on for the duration.
Don't know why people keep trying to force ship these two. Thought we couldn't do that. Lord knows had my very first post here not been eloquently done regarding Hanners/Marten just as a dynamic I'd have gotten run off with pitchforks.
Wait, Last Resort had a sub, which sank in the final episode.Dude, not cool! I was going to watch that eventually!
Sorry, I have a hard time remembering that some people are concerned with spoilers; I stopped worrying a long time ago and learned to love the information. Plus it's hard to swing a cat in a roomful of media without hitting something someone doesn't know.Wait, Last Resort had a sub, which sank in the final episode.Dude, not cool! I was going to watch that eventually!
I don't know, I'm finding the references to rules about shipping more frequent, less subtle, and more annoying than the actual shipping. Regular users can use the PM system too if they want to tell someone to knock it off instead of calling them out in-thread. I may be a bit of a black pot on this, though.Don't know why people keep trying to force ship these two. Thought we couldn't do that. Lord knows had my very first post here not been eloquently done regarding Hanners/Marten just as a dynamic I'd have gotten run off with pitchforks.You're entirely correct and the rule hasn't changed. The moderators are trying to react proportionally but if it gets worse ...
I think going to your father's same sex marriage is about just going with a good friend for support. Any romance, ugh, will be forced and awkward.
I disagree about the romance. Being around people that love each other very much and have been kept from each other by legal issues for years? It's one of the more romantic ways to see a wedding. Seeing the pictures from the Seattle courthouse made me cry, and I wasn't even there in person.
OTOH being willing to drive people is a good way to expand the circle.
He's going to kill her off in some horrible way, isn't he? :-D
Please no. Please. I've lost too many trans friends that way. Yes, it would be plausible, realistic even, but not really in QC's style - any more than Momo getting set on by Fanatics and put in a crusher, then melted to slag.
you see she probably didn't get to attend a prom, or do any of the other teenage girl stuff. She's got some making-up to do.
I wonder if we'll get to see Claire in the dressing room, rejecting all sorts of pretty dresses, or if she'll just show up with one?
I don't want Claire to be killed off either, and I don't think it would happen (has anyone died in the comic? I don't count the already-dead people at the morgue) but if Claire were to die, it wouldn't have to be connected with her trans* status. People die in horrible accidents all the time.
But it's just not what QC is like, so not going to happen in my view.
She strikes me as the kind of gal who might like to wear a wedding dress one day too. Not everyone's like that, but in her heart of hearts, maybe.
In the meantime, yes, formal attending-wedding attire! She has the figure for it too. Probably wants a hairdo, maybe a makeover... you see she probably didn't get to attend a prom, or do any of the other teenage girl stuff. She's got some making-up to do.
Looks like somebody's getting shipped.
(http://i.imgur.com/yPyn1qH.jpg)
Claire seems into it.
AND SO AM I RAISE THE ANCHOR LOWER THE SAILS SET A COURSE FOR LOOOOOOOVE
Wasn't someone eaten by an Allosaurus?I don't think that was ever made canon. ::)
Wasn't someone eaten by an Allosaurus?I don't think that was ever made canon. ::)
Wasn't someone eaten by an Allosaurus?I don't think that was ever made canon. ::)
Former employee at Coffee of Doom. Eaten by an allosaurus. RIP.
Yea, some comics treat cast pages as canon, others just as a place to write weird stuff
"Well, that's a weird cannon".
I tried to brush it off before, but it's getting harder to dismiss the idea that Jeph's trying to pair-up Marten and Claire as a couple...Or he's taunting the readers who want Marten and Claire to be a couple. He's been known to do that from time to time.
Yea, some comics treat cast pages as canon, others just as a place to write weird stuff
And others, who see no reason to not to have their cake and eat it too, use their cast pages to place weird canon material! :lol:
Or he's taunting the readers who want Marten and Claire to be a couple. He's been known to do that from time to time.
I tried to brush it off before, but it's getting harder to dismiss the idea that Jeph's trying to pair-up Marten and Claire as a couple...
I tried to brush it off before, but it's getting harder to dismiss the idea that Jeph's trying to pair-up Marten and Claire as a couple...
I'm not sure the ethical issue will really occur to Marten; I think he sees himself as her equal, or at most her senior, rather than her overseer. I'm not totally sure he's wrong, either...
Ellen wasn't killed off, but she's essentially not returning, nor is Padma.We really have no way of knowing, but you're probably right.
"Well, that's a weird cannon".
I'm not sure the ethical issue will really occur to Marten; I think he sees himself as her equal, or at most her senior, rather than her overseer.Well, in the Real World® Marten would need to wake up and smell the coffee. He is in a supervisory role, whether he realises it or or likes it or not. Librarian > Tai > Marten the full-time employee > interns is how HR (http://images.ados.fr/divers/photo/4505309450/lovecraft/cthulhu-rises-chrislazzer-2714881c95.jpg) (Horrible Relations) or an employment-tribunal (http://troglopundit.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/sarlacc.jpg) would see it. I don't think Jeph is going for a romance here, but in Real Life® it would be a Really Bad Idea®.
Back to the comic... I think Claire's gait in the last panel (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2377) looks really unnatural. Nobody runs like that:
So many of my friends have offered me lifts to places that I've lost track. Does that mean that I have been ignoring/not noticing people trying to start relationships with me? Oops. I have a lot of people to apologise to, starting with at least five members of this forum!
That's very true. I wouldn't give someone a ride if I didn't want to talk to them for several hours, because otherwise that would be rather uncomfortable.
"Well, that's a weird cannon".Must have been in Portland, Oregon then.
Takes one to know one I guess.... but even if my life history had been more usual, I'd be like Marigold. Though possibly even closer to Momo in personality.Claire is very cute in this. Sometimes you just want an excuse to buy a fancy dress :lol:
Yeah, pretty sure she's been looking for one for a while.
She strikes me as the kind of gal who might like to wear a wedding dress one day too. Not everyone's like that, but in her heart of hearts, maybe.
In the meantime, yes, formal attending-wedding attire! She has the figure for it too. Probably wants a hairdo, maybe a makeover... you see she probably didn't get to attend a prom, or do any of the other teenage girl stuff. She's got some making-up to do.
Marigold probably didn't either, but she might not miss it. Not too much. Or wouldn't admit it to herself.
THIS. I never went to Prom, I'm already married (and my wife refuses to have another wedding after the disaster that was the first), I never went to any formal dances... and I spent years obsessing over that fact.
So many of my friends have offered me lifts to places that I've lost track. Does that mean that I have been ignoring/not noticing people trying to start relationships with me? Oops. I have a lot of people to apologise to, starting with at least five members of this forum!Don't have to apologize here. ;)
Back to the comic... I think Claire's gait in the last panel (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2377) looks really unnatural. Nobody runs like that: (running image)
And Claire springs into action.She hasn't met Penny yet, has she?
Hmmmmm
Maybe she could be Pizza Girls Sidekick
What's confusing is that the first time his mom mentions Maurice, she calls him Marcel.He could have been with a Marcel before Maurice and either got engaged to both or dumped one, engaged the other and forgot to mention the change in boyfriend. Or Veronica simply misheard or misremembered the boy's name.
Oh god, I've been on the uncomfortable road trip. There are only so many hours you can pretend to be asleep.
(I don't think that will happen with Marten and Claire, though. Fancy dress!)
She has if she's Pizza Girl's sidekick.
Or Veronica simply misheard or misremembered the boy's name.
Marten's old boss was named Scott (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=86).Is that ever said in the comic itself or just underneath? Either way, there's enough of a resemblance when you take into account the vastly different art styles. But surely Marten would've recognized his old boss.
Is that ever said in the comic itself or just underneath?Underneath.
When I mentioned the uncomfortable road trip, I was saying it to point out that this would not be one of those. The two are friends, and will certainly find things to talk about.And so they have!
That car sure is green, and clashes pretty wildly with her hair.Judging by the tailgate badge it's a Mazda (http://www.cartype.com/pics/1607/small/mazda_emblem1.jpg), and I think a Mazda 2, probably the Neo:
Then she's only heard of Penny...I maintain that they are two distinct people, perhapsibly twin sisters separated at birth. One raised by normal parents, the other trained by culinary assassins until her time was nigh...
That looks like a reaaally big steering wheel.
Also, I cannot help but wonder whether the pink bag is Marten's.
He probably has his Hello Kitty belt (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1751) in it.
Neo
Some comics ago I believe Marten made a comment about Claire's pink bag while walking to the library.
Some comics ago I believe Marten made a comment about Claire's pink bag while walking to the library.
To the coffee-shop, before they ran into her brother again, methinks. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2272)
Claire is very cute in this. Sometimes you just want an excuse to buy a fancy dress :lol:
Normal girls almost always have a fancy dress on standby if something like this comes up.
Also, did Maurice change jobs?If it is in Florida then Wetlands and golf courses pretty much go hand in hand, well the really nice ones anyways.
So Marten told Claire about Veronica's job. I think that the only people who know that are Faye and Dora.
Also, it would be awkward if someone else in the wedding would be wearing the same fancy dress that Claire.
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Nasty? What are you talking about? That's my favourite colour.That car sure is green, and clashes pretty wildly with her hair.Judging by the tailgate badge it's a Mazda (http://www.cartype.com/pics/1607/small/mazda_emblem1.jpg), and I think a Mazda 2, probably the Neo:
(http://www.carshowroom.com.au/carphoto/167/photoset/300/20100510111035652.jpg)(http://www.carshowroom.com.au/carphoto/167/photoset/300/20100922115830284.jpg)
It does come in a rather nasty shade of green, as you can see.
Nasty? What are you talking about? That's my favourite colour.The appeal of a color has little to do with whether it's a good house or car color.
Keep your eyes on the road Claire! Lordy.EXACTLY!
Next strip will involve burning tire marks on the street like in Back to the Future. :psyduck:
Since when does being a good house or car colour have to do with anything more than the personal preference of the owner?Psychology (yours and that of those around you), cost (initial, maintenance, repair), theft, heat, and a couple other factors not jumping to mind (they'd likely have more to do with houses anyway). Choosing a color only because it's your favorite is superficial.
What impressed me with this page is how well Jeph did drawing the car.
Some comics ago I believe Marten made a comment about Claire's pink bag while walking to the library.
To the coffee-shop, before they ran into her brother again, methinks. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2272)
That's not the same bag. The one in the car is larger and a different colour.
Next strip will involve burning tire marks on the street like in Back to the Future. :psyduck:
Great Scott!!!!
:-D
More likely we'll find out the Mazda's a Transformer.
Hmmmmm.
I think Claire's gonna fit right in with Martens family.
he's a very flexible chap!...in bed. :mrgreen:
Maybe he does golf and wetlands management? Or maybe he was just BS-ing Dora for the hell of it. :psyduck:Maybe he instructs people on managing the conversion of wetlands into golf courses, but that would be a rather dark turn. :evil:
The great thing about this forum? Jeph could probably do anything he liked and we'd retcon it in for him.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOKS LIKE VERONICA IS A CAPTAIN ON THE CLARTEN/MAIRE SHIP!ALLLLLL ABOARRRRRD!!! :-D
Be careful of the canon fire as you run up the gangplank.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOKS LIKE VERONICA IS A CAPTAIN ON THE CLARTEN/MAIRE SHIP!ALLLLLL ABOARRRRRD!!! :-D
haha omg. traumatising.
I hope this trip doesn't become an exercise in torturing Claire.
Does anyone else find it unethical to apply technology to procreation while there are still orphans in the world?Supply and demand, man. Some people want an infant of their very own, fresh from the surrogates/ their heavily-tinkered-with womb. I myself have a hard time suspending disbelief when people come to blows over lack of baby making ability in media (unless it's historical "gotta be my blood descendant" stuff).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOKS LIKE VERONICA IS A CAPTAIN ON THE CLARTEN/MAIRE SHIP!
Does anyone else find it unethical to apply technology to procreation while there are still orphans in the world?
Note: Next time Claire gets nervous or embarrassed, check if she clutches at her hair like she is in panel 4. It'd be interesting, both for reference and for appreciating Jeph's hard work, to try and work out all the characters' particular mannerisms when they get nervous. So far, the only other one I can think of is Hanners clenching her hands in her lap (which I'm pretty sure I've also seen Dora do once or twice).Marten's hand on the back of his neck seems to happen heck of a lot.
Creator's got a right to change their story however they see fit, IMO.Of course!
Nope. To spread your own genes is about as base of an urge as you'll get with living things.
It's not just getting Marten laid: she is getting grandbaby urges.
This doesn't really have anything to do with ethics.
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY!
Does anyone else find it unethical to apply technology to procreation while there are still orphans in the world?
Earth needs a couple billion fewer humans. :-\
Even if you believe the debunked overpopulation stuff: We're below replacement levels here; we're not the problem if there was one.That's because even with for place near the top of almost every measure of good places to live, you're still cold and dark for half the year. Elsewhere, people are cranking out kids at up to 3 times replacement level.
This doesn't really have anything to do with ethics.
Sure it does. I'm saying it isn't immoral to fulfill such a desire.
Just because it's more complicated for me to eventually have a kid doesn't automatically mean I'd be a bad person for not adopting.
(Even if you believe the debunked overpopulation stuff: We're below replacement levels here; we're not the problem if there was one.)
Earth needs a couple billion fewer humans. :-\
I would only ever agree with this sentiment if it meant we'd have a couple billion on off-world colonies. :wink:
Now I'm not certain we'll make it another few centuries... :cry:
I guess Marten's mom is being what we call a Shipper On Deck.Does that mean Marten just told her to SOD off? :-P
I suppose it depends on what's more easily accomplished: humans not procreating like, well, animals, or humans not trashing the only home we've got so far.It's fine for us to procreate like animals so long as we die like animals, but people had a problem with that.
I guess Marten's mom is being what we call a Shipper On Deck.Does that mean Marten just told her to SOD off? :-PI suppose it depends on what's more easily accomplished: humans not procreating like, well, animals, or humans not trashing the only home we've got so far.It's fine for us to procreate like animals so long as we die like animals, but people had a problem with that.
I'd basically agree with the sentiment, but base biological urges do not moral argument make.
Not even gonna touch that last sentence, sheesh.
I guess Marten's mom is being what we call a Shipper On Deck.
Jeph was probably right to change it if that's what he was worried people would think (re: his tumblr post). My first thought when she was talking about kids was "well, shit, this is awkward, because it's just reminding Claire that she can't have them.
"Sheesh"? It's not my fault that people still believe Malthusian nonsense from the early 1800s. Also even if it was correct that doesn't change the fact that we have nothing to do with it. Below replacement levels, among the cleanest countries in the world, recycle our materials to the point of needing to ship in more trash from our neighbours.It absolutely is your fault when you extrapolate from a nation of 9 1/2 million to a world of 7 billion, which had about 110 less Swedens 12 years ago.
But to directly address your beliefs, overpopulation is hardly debunked, there are just lots of variables /.../ Overpopulation is a matter of how many resources each person uses, not how many people there are, ultimately.
It absolutely is your fault when you extrapolate from a nation of 9 1/2 million to a world of 7 billion, which had about 110 less Swedens 12 years ago.
So your point is "Ban Valdís from having kids to worry less about the undeveloped world having too many"? Why should I "Extrapolate" at all to places which have nothing in common? Especially when all such extrapolations are inevitably wrong and always have been in the past...I'm sorry, at what point did I say "you shouldn't have kids?" I only rebutted your views on world overpopulation and their apparent connection your own nation's lack of that issue (since you kept saying "it's not happening, and my country has the opposite issue").
..I'm sorry, at what point did I say "you shouldn't have kids?" I only rebutted your views on world overpopulation and their apparent basis in your own nation's lack of that issue.
We managed to avert the worst case scenarios, but that in no way means they weren't possibilities, it just means we actually managed to work to avoid them, be it by tens of billions funneled into the green revolution or tens of thousands of volunteers doing family planning. Right now we're shooting for the lower end of the UN projections from the late 90s, but a lot of work went into making that happen.
Good for Jeph for rewriting the comic when he didn't feel comfortable with it. Creator's got a right to change their story however they see fit, IMO.
But yeah, quite off-topic. I stand by it not being immoral to use technology relating to having kids, though. :-PThank you.
Yeah, I mean, it was kind for Claire.Kind for a lot of clucky Trans women - some of whom are Marten's Mom's age, others in their teens.
Thank you.
FWIW... we required significant technical assistance to have our son.
So, uhm, for the latecomers, what exactly did Jeph change?
Uh, as far as I can tell, he changed the punchline because he felt that Claire being trans* could be interpreted as being the joke. Which was not his intention, but there you go.
Also, for what it's worth, Mrs. Reed was really kinda depressed in the original, which did NOT match up well with her facial expression (which remains unchanged).
I kinda like this version better anyway.
Uh, as far as I can tell, he changed the punchline because he felt that Claire being trans* could be interpreted as being the joke. Which was not his intention, but there you go.Uuuuh, yeah. This was basically what I read a few posts ago. :roll:
*cough* I still feel out of the loop :oops: What did it say before Jeph changed it?
I love that you're giving these issues* some serious light, not just bit parts, and taking some serious pains over not stuffing it up. It really shows that you're a decent human being who truly believes in equal human rights. It'd be nice if there were more people like that...* as a note, I'm referring to the whole LGBT deal
I don't think you'll be one to stuff it up, at least not intentionally. Your characters have a pretty great dynamic together, even with their problems, flaws and mannerisms, but I also know that your characters are only human (metaphorically speaking), and there often is no accounting for human error. I'm sure you'll do your best, though.
*cough* I still feel out of the loop :oops: What did it say before Jeph changed it?
I can't tell you exactly, but it went something like:
First replaced panel: My son is ready for some stability in his life. I think he's ready for grandchildren.
Next replaced panel: And with his beautiful eyes and your gorgeous hair, your children would be...
And the last panel was pretty much the same, iirc.
I'm afraid that will have to do until someone finds a cached copy.
I guess in his position, with what I interpret to be Jephs' beliefs (approximated from his comic and his blog), he's got to find a way to have fun with (and make fun of) his characters, without coming across as being bigoted or at least showing ill intentions towards serious issues.
On comic: Mothers really know how to embarrass their offspring (at least she didn't bring out the the pictures (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1828)... yet :evil:)
I can't wait for tomorrow's awkward "You're really nice but I'm not your type" speech. I'm just not sure whose mouth it will come out of. Heeheehee...I'm thinking it has to be Claire that says it... Marten rejecting Claire would probably be too easy for people to take the wrong way. Besides, we know that Steve is more Claire's type.
Besides, we know that Steve is more Claire's type.
Sadly, I can relate to this comic.
And Veronica just echoed Jim's "perfect age to start breeding" line. :psyduck:
Note: Next time Claire gets nervous or embarrassed, check if she clutches at her hair like she is in panel 4. It'd be interesting, both for reference and for appreciating Jeph's hard work, to try and work out all the characters' particular mannerisms when they get nervous. So far, the only other one I can think of is Hanners clenching her hands in her lap (which I'm pretty sure I've also seen Dora do once or twice).
How much does it cost up there? Serious question, because in a place where it seems to be non-chalantly legal, yet neither jacked up by cartels nor taxed by the government, I wonder about its monetary value.We went on a school trip to the netherlands once. And of course some of us bought stuff. I think it was ~5 Euro for one joint in Amsterdam. Or maybe he got more than one I can't remember.
On a somewhat different point:
Although this is a webcomic and we never really see characters blinking, I got the impression Ms. Reed spent that entire conversation with her eyes wide open, unblinking. Did anyone else?
Oh that's right, I forgot...somewhere between #461 and #1820 Marten's mom morphed into the most annoying bitch EVER.Oh, go easy on her. For as much embarrassment as kids provide their parents, it's only natural that as the kids age, the parents will try to embarrass their kids... My dad liked to try to embarrass me by trying to hook me up with girls similarly to what Marten's mom is trying to do in the current comic and in comic 1821.
I mostly agree with Delator. There is embarrassment, and then there is callousness. What she did less than a week after a painful breakup was callous. If she did it before or a few months later, what she did would be amusing embarrassment, but it was directly after a painful and divisive experience. We've only seen this one strip, so I'll reserve judgment for now. Also, grandbaby yearning is funny.Oh that's right, I forgot...somewhere between #461 and #1820 Marten's mom morphed into the most annoying bitch EVER.Oh, go easy on her. For as much embarrassment as kids provide their parents, it's only natural that as the kids age, the parents will try to embarrass their kids... My dad liked to try to embarrass me by trying to hook me up with girls similarly to what Marten's mom is trying to do in the current comic and in comic 1821.
I can't wait for tomorrow's awkward "You're really nice but I'm not your type" speech. I'm just not sure whose mouth it will come out of. Heeheehee...
I mostly agree with Delator. There is embarrassment, and then there is callousness. What she did less than a week after a painful breakup was callous. If she did it before or a few months later, what she did would be amusing embarrassment, but it was directly after a painful and divisive experience. We've only seen this one strip, so I'll reserve judgment for now. Also, grandbaby yearning is funny.Oh that's right, I forgot...somewhere between #461 and #1820 Marten's mom morphed into the most annoying bitch EVER.Oh, go easy on her. For as much embarrassment as kids provide their parents, it's only natural that as the kids age, the parents will try to embarrass their kids... My dad liked to try to embarrass me by trying to hook me up with girls similarly to what Marten's mom is trying to do in the current comic and in comic 1821.
Ah, the fact that the strip was changed explains the confusing title. Did the artwork change too? It seemed like it was maybe a little rushed - still good, but not the usual style.
I can't say I blame Jeph for not wanting to take the risk. After all, this comic is his bread and butter and offending people means reduced readership, which means less money in his pocket. So while I disagree with the change as an artist, I understand the change as a professional.
Everyone seems to be either neutral or for "Maire", but where's the Clen/Svaire's?
Marten's hand to the back of his head. C'mon, do you have to go re-read the entire archive?
Why people have so much hate? And why does Jeph have to face that shit?
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If Marten and Claire really existed, they would do what they wanted regardless of what we want, because what we want doesn't matter.
Everyone seems to be either neutral or for "Maire", but where's the(click to show/hide)
Remember, we don't allow this kind of shipping here (apart from that, those are the most unsatisfactory portmanteaus I've seen in a while).
After seeing those posts, I wouldn't blame Jeph for writing Claire out of the strip completely. Easier on his sanity.
She seems to have been a bit of a paradox as a mother. She was considerate and nurturing enough to invent and knit the Worry Hat, for example.
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My opinion from the previous visit - including the moment when Marten finally got fed up with it, managed to find something resembling a spine, and was promptly smacked down in front of all his friends - stands. Veronica, whether it was entirely conscious or not, has done an excellent job of breaking Marten's spirit and ensuring that he will remain her obedient, pliable little boy forever. Someone who will drift through life with no real goals or agency of his own, waiting for someone to tell him what to do.
As I understand it, no one is in favor of changing art retroactively just for the fuck of it, but they are in favor of acknowledging that other people can be obnoxious, demanding assholes, and that Jeph may very understandably not want to deal with that shit right now. If someone wants to stop reading QC, then they should stop reading QC. No nasty emails required! It's quite simple, really.
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My opinion from the previous visit - including the moment when Marten finally got fed up with it, managed to find something resembling a spine, and was promptly smacked down in front of all his friends - stands. Veronica, whether it was entirely conscious or not, has done an excellent job of breaking Marten's spirit and ensuring that he will remain her obedient, pliable little boy forever. Someone who will drift through life with no real goals or agency of his own, waiting for someone to tell him what to do.
And there is the reason why marten is so passive.
Are you saying you think Jeph changed the strip because he didn't want to deal with people being obnoxious, demanding assholes about the original content?
Because that's not what happened at all. Go back and read Jeph's tumblr post.
dit·zy
adjective \ˈdit-sē\
ditz·i·er or dits·i·er,dits·i·est
Definition:
eccentrically silly, giddy, or inane : dizzy
Remember also that Jeph must be aware of his own psychological fragility, and may be consciously trying to avoid triggering the kind of comment that got to him so badly in the autumn. I doubt that the readership count was his first thought when he made the change.There was an actual comment that got to him? I thought it was just a relapse related to stress or something.
My opinion from the previous visit - including the moment when Marten finally got fed up with it, managed to find something resembling a spine, and was promptly smacked down in front of all his friends - stands. Veronica, whether it was entirely conscious or not, has done an excellent job of breaking Marten's spirit and ensuring that he will remain her obedient, pliable little boy forever. Someone who will drift through life with no real goals or agency of his own, waiting for someone to tell him what to do.That's a bit different sentiment than I've expressed, but you expressed it far better and I mostly agree.
OK, that's the third person on this page who's called Claire "ditzy". Either you're all just jumping on the bandwagon, or, as Inigo Montoya once said...I keep seeing (and using) him recently. If you hadn't posted that, I was going to soon.
You all are reading too much into Veronica, don't you think? I really don't think she's as callous and evil as some make her out to be. The simple truth is, sex does alter your personality when it becomes your profession. As far as someone whose been in that kind of profession, she's done a fairly good job at raising Martin. And he's not nearly as bad as the others in the comic with Steve being the exception.
You all are reading too much into Veronica, don't you think? I really don't think she's as callous and evil as some make her out to be.Again, I don't think she's either. I think she loves her son very much and wants him to be happy. I theorize that she may think that the best way to do this is to run his life for him. Mother always knows best for her precious boy.
You all are reading too much into Veronica, don't you think? I really don't think she's as callous and evil as some make her out to be. The simple truth is, sex does alter your personality when it becomes your profession. As far as someone whose been in that kind of profession, she's done a fairly good job at raising Martin. And he's not nearly as bad as the others in the comic with Steve being the exception.Why do you think anyone thinks she's evil? That would require intent to harm him- I, possibly we, think she's just doing what she thinks is best, without consideration (the callous part) of his feelings or the fact that she's meddling in HIS life. No evil part.
Also, Steve is well adjusted? The same Steve that keeps hooking up with unavailable women and once drank himself into a weeks long bender?
Marten is unlikely to want to do something unethical. We could get some interesting character development out of awkward conversations, though.
The simple truth is, sex does alter your personality when it becomes your profession.
Why does every female find Marten's dad so irresistible, but not Marten himself - even though they are PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL? :?He is gay, and thus inaccessible. Plus, Anderson Cooper hair.
OK, that's the third person on this page who's called Claire "ditzy". Either you're all just jumping on the bandwagon, or, as Inigo Montoya once said...Quote from: Merriam Websterdit·zy
adjective \ˈdit-sē\
ditz·i·er or dits·i·er,dits·i·est
Definition:
eccentrically silly, giddy, or inane : dizzy
That describes Emily. NOT Claire!
Now, stop that!
That could have been more awkward.The sentence could've been finished.
How it could have been more awkward eludes me at the moment, but there must be some way.
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Will all the Reeds wind up at the bar?PARTEH! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1521)
I hope this time Claire can do the pregnancy-blackmail-scare (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1522). The hilarity!Oh man. That would be bad-ass. She'd be tough as a diamond to pull that.
I think the fact that she is trans is the most interesting aspect to an otherwise boring and forgettable character.Boring is good.
Edit: WHERE IS FANCY DRESS! :o
Who's prepared for the ~LOL double-bed hotel room mixup XD~?I was just thinking about that, actually, especially if Henry reserved the room for Marten.
Who's prepared for the ~LOL double-bed hotel room mixup XD~?I was just thinking about that, actually, especially if Henry reserved the room for Marten.
Yet.Loaded the thread, took a shower, came back, read it, saw the post before this and typed "Yet." Hit "post" and this was already there. Well played, boss.
Why does every female find Marten's dad so irresistible, but not Marten himself - even though they are PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL? :?He is gay, and thus inaccessible. Plus, Anderson Cooper hair.
I'm not going to say that Jeph Jacques is a modern master of the art form, but I am going to say he's pretty bloody good at what he does,I'll certainly agree with the second part. But I think I might say the first too.
What, Marten sleeping on the couch, the day his dad got married?Who's prepared for the ~LOL double-bed hotel room mixup XD~?I was just thinking about that, actually, especially if Henry reserved the room for Marten.
Ready, and hoping for it.
Why, because it will end this week off nicely, and would make a nice birthday present.
Why does every female find Marten's dad so irresistible, but not Marten himself - even though they are PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL? :?
He's got that hypnotic look...Marten hasn't gotten enough action to graduate to The Look yet.
Personally, I could see Claire being romantically attracted to Marten at some level, and potentially even acting on it.
I couldn't see Marten reciprocating for various reasons - I think his ethics would keep him from acting on it even if he were attracted to Claire, and I suspect that he's not quite open-minded enough to want to be in a sexual relationship with Claire anyway (that's the most tactful way I can put it).
I could see Jeph doing an arc about that, though. He's just enough of a sadist to his characters...
No. Henry uses his powers for good. Sven is more of a sex-sith.He's got that hypnotic look...Marten hasn't gotten enough action to graduate to The Look yet.
Are you implying that Sven was Henry's padawan? :psyduck:
No. Henry uses his powers for good. Sven is more of a sex-sith.Now you have me thinking about the color of their lightsabers. :mrgreen:
Edit: WHERE IS FANCY DRESS! :o
Now you have me thinking about the color of their lightsabers. :mrgreen:
That doesn't explain the low humming...That's just for some extra stimulation during oral.
"They drive me crazy" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=48)
Why does every female find Marten's dad so irresistible, but not Marten himself - even though they are PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL? :?Money dear boy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoneyDearBoy). :wink: :-D
Also some people age into their features, and look better in their 40s (http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc2ODc3NDcwN15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzI2MjY4Mg@@._V1._SY314_CR7,0,214,314_.jpg) than in their 20s (http://i2.listal.com/image/1934864/936full-jamie-lee-curtis.jpg), "Jamie Lee Curtis syndrome".Links added by me, and...really? Jamie Lee Curtis is who you went with? :psyduck:
JLC in her 60s is a different story. Compare her in True Lies to Halloween 1.Just google imaged and...fair enough, I guess. She has a good body, but her face is unpleasant enough to counteract that. Although apparently she's only 54 and I'm pretty sure she's been doing those commercials for years now.
I love a scotch that's old enough to order its own scotch.
Tequila monster returns!At only a peaty sniff too... Talk about flashbacks!
Uh oh. Nowhere in the world a civilised person would drink auld single malt scotch from a tumbler ... except in the U.S., of course :roll:
Uh oh. Nowhere in the world a civilised person would drink auld single malt scotch from a tumbler ... except in the U.S., of course :roll:
Yessssss.... the little scotchhhh.....
Yessssss.... the little scotchhhh.....I want this scotch - unless it's an Islay.
"Or what, mom? Watcha gonna do, spank me?"
Also aren't drinks usually free on weddings?
But what, was he sober at the party?
Is Marten, then, fundamentally submissive? Is that the reason for his whole take-it-as-it-comes, doormat attitude?
I doubt Marten is going to get drunk on 30 year old whisky, even he's not that foolish, is he?
I doubt Marten is going to get drunk on 30 year old whisky, even he's not that foolish, is he?I dunno, I've got hammered on whisky only barely younger than me, when I was that age. :oops: :-o
I wonder what Veronica's Tequila monster looks like
Yessssss.... the little scotchhhh.....I want this scotch - unless it's an Islay.
That's OK, I'll take it off your hands if it's an Islay. My three top destilleries are Islay: Bruichladdich, Lagavulin and Laphroaig, in that order.
I doubt Marten is going to get drunk on 30 year old whisky, even he's not that foolish, is he?I dunno, I've got hammered on whisky only barely younger than me, when I was that age. :oops: :-o
My preferred tipple is Talisker, generally from a shot glass.
I wonder what Veronica's Tequila monster looks like
Nobody knows. She won't let it take off the gimp suit.
"Or what, mom? Watcha gonna do, spank me?"
There has been a flash of assertiveness (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1835).
It even makes visits difficult and expensive.
There has been a flash of assertiveness (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1835).
Sorry but no, worst example you could have come up with. Marten gets a little snarky in the first panel, second panel Marten's Mom utterly SMASHES him down like he's an upstart child. And Marten goes along with it like he really is still that child.
Has Ms. Reed ever been seen treating a non-customer as badly as she does Marten?
True, but being creepy towards Hannelore was the ONLY thing that Clinton ever really did to make him unlikable. I think.
My point is, would Marten be the doormat, or would he be the fierce protector of his friends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=697)?
I wonder what Veronica's Tequila monster looks like
Yeah, but I can hope. Besides, it has a "hee hee, she's a dominatrix!" feel."Or what, mom? Watcha gonna do, spank me?"
It would shock the hell outta me and represent some MAJOR character development for Marten to ever say anything like that to his mother. He is too much the stereotypical Momma's Boy.
What would happen if Veronica was rude, condescending, invasive or otherwise mean towards Hannelore (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1902)?Veronica and Hannermom would have an Alpha Bitch throwdown.
I wouldn't say no redeeming, Clinton's been at least moderately redeemed by being an apparently awesome brother.He was the opposite of mean, he just had boundary issues. A bit like Hannelore in the beginning, come to think (yes, stalking= boundary issues).
True, but being creepy towards Hannelore was the ONLY thing that Clinton ever really did to make him unlikable. I think.
My point is, would Marten be the doormat, or would he be the fierce protector of his friends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=697)?
Let us hope it never reaches that point.
It's possible Marten would hit on Claire, but Claire might not want to take advantage of his inebriated state, unless she was drunk too. But we don't know Claire that much to know that for sure.She seems to have her head attached firmly to her shoulders.
Tequila monster.Seconded
Kilt.
Pretty please.
True, but being creepy towards Hannelore was the ONLY thing that Clinton ever really did to make him unlikable. I think.
My point is, would Marten be the doormat, or would he be the fierce protector of his friends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=697)?
Let us hope it never reaches that point.
I, for one, DO hope it reaches that point eventually. Marten needs opportunities to grow some spine (although I agree that smashing his mother with a pan might be a bit over the top).I agree. It would likely cause pandemonium! :-D
(And thanks Westrim, now I really want to see Veronica and Beatrice fight it out.)
(Who would win in a fight between Veronica Reed and Beatrice Chatham?)
I can't really blame Veronica for being mean to Marten. He's kind of like this guy (http://youtu.be/9uaicm78Zt8).
@ WAYF: You gotta know it to dish it, holmes.
Tequila monster.
Kilt.
Pretty please.
All these things pale in significance alongside the fact that next Tuesday is pancake day.Wasn't that earlier this week?
All these things pale in significance alongside the fact that next Tuesday is pancake day.Wasn't that earlier this week?
All these things pale in significance alongside the fact that next Tuesday is pancake day.Wasn't that earlier this week?
Our relationship with the characters is already "not polite", but you're on solid ground if you want to posit that publicly speculating about the extent of Claire's reassignment is creepy.You got it in one.
Jumping several moves ahead in a potential debate about fictional characters, I imagine you saying that by not speculating about Claire we are getting critically important practice in how to treat real trans* people. Would you say that in reality?
In early 2009 I was finally given my assessment for suitability to go on the waiting list for sex reassignment surgery. Yes, that’s right, I would be assessed as to whether or not I was suitable to wait in line for further assessment.
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I wear black. I like wearing black. I was told that women do not wear black....The woman doing the assessment was wearing black. Nothing but black. She told me that women wear bright colours. Pink was the only colour she could name.
The psychologist actually assumed I had short hair – either she was blind, or stupid – and said that women have long hair. On having it pointed out to her that I have long hair, and was wearing it tied back due to the wind, she said that women never wear their hair like that. She certainly didn’t, since her hair was about an inch long...
I was wearing a skirt. It’s hard to miss this on anyone, more so when someone is sitting cross-legged. She assumed I was wearing trousers. In her strange view of the world, women never wear trousers: they only wear skirts – and not long skirts, not even when it’s cold out. They wear short skirts. Knee length is still a long skirt. Mid-thigh is apparently the universal dress code for women. Unless they wear dresses, of course. No woman ever wears trousers. I’m sure the astute reader will see where this is going… Yes, she was wearing trousers.
The ever more ridiculous and outdated stereotypes continued: Women all wear make-up. But not subtle make-up. They trowel it on, so that it is clearly visible. It must be noticeable, or they’re not wearing make-up. No, she wasn’t wearing make-up either. I personally don’t. I’m very poor and could not afford any make-up if I wanted to wear it. Since I was raised by parents who were both feminist enough to think that make-up is something that women are not required or expected to do, I certainly don’t feel any pressure to bother. But the notion that maybe it’s sexist to require women to wear make-up was flatly disavowed by the psychologist. She said that all women wear the stuff, all the time. Except her, of course.
Then there was my lack of high heels. You see, all women wear high heels (except for certain psychologists)....I was told I should wear high heels. Even though I often cannot find any that actually fit.
On hearing that I’m attracted exclusively to women (there was a flat demand to know my sexual orientation) she said that only men are attracted to women. I asked her if she had not heard the term lesbian. She repeated what she said, so I think the answer was “no”. I guess lesbians are just too cutting edge.
or you'll be refused treatment. They have absolute power over you.
It would be impossibly rude to ask about some of the things we already know about the characters. TMI is a theme of the strip.
I come up with "If Jeph publishes details of Claire's anatomy, then it's the equivalent of her telling us of her own 'free will'. If he doesn't, then wondering out loud is the equivalent in imagination of undressing someone without her consent".You got it. The comparison is apt.
The goal here is hypothesize-and-test, not to put words in your mouth. Is the above how you would answer "Why shouldn't we try to figure out background information in a piece of fiction?"?
Here's the thing. I'd like to be able to speculate about personal things in the lives of the characters, like why Faye's father killed himself. This is largely a comic about relationships: it's natural to wonder whether Claire is limited to partners who are open-minded about private parts.There's been enough goodwill shown so that you can test the boundaries a bit. Treading on eggshells isn't required, nor wanted. Being treated like fellow human beings is. Look, imagine if it was your younger sister on this forum.
Is it possible to do that with Claire, without hurting the real people here on the forum who may well have had a gang block the sidewalk and yell at them "Hey, freak! What have you got in those pants?"
If not, then that ends the practical discussion, though it would still be fun to discuss the philosophy of the ethics of conduct toward fictional people.
Pintsize, as pwhodges has pointed out, would be banned here almost immediately.
Here's the thing. I'd like to be able to speculate about personal things in the lives of the characters, like why Faye's father killed himself. This is largely a comic about relationships: it's natural to wonder whether Claire is limited to partners who are open-minded about private parts.
Is it possible to do that with Claire, without hurting the real people here on the forum who may well have had a gang block the sidewalk and yell at them "Hey, freak! What have you got in those pants?"
Not defending anything, but that might be because we are taught that "penis <=> male" and "vagina <=> female" from a young age. Hell, two of the languages I know don't even have different words for sexus and gender.
Smoking Girl: I'm a woman, and I've seen plenty of guys do just what you've done to yourself. Part of you likes the impossibility of the situation. You like not being able to do anything to change things for the better, because you're afraid.
Marten: 'Fraid? 'Fraid of what?
Smoking Girl: Change.
This is why I don't like change. It changes things.
+2 to that post.Concur.
There should be a tequila monster stuffed animal. I'd keep it on my desk at work.(http://jakal.sp.ph.ic.ac.uk/~timo/smilies/thumb_up.gif)