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So we start the first week of Henry and Maurice's wedded bliss...
What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
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Drunken shenanigans, big mistakes and pillow talk by Henry and Maurice.
Possibly in that order too.
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So we start the first week of Henry and Maurice's wedded bliss...
What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Do you really need to ask?
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So we start the first week of Henry and Maurice's wedded bliss...
What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Do you really need to ask?
Well, it's for the poll's sake...
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Marten exposed to family dynamics may show some sides of his personality that we've only glimpsed before.
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There is possibly, just slightly possibly, a chance of a combination of "Claire's awkward moments" and "someone hits on Marten".
But then again, I don't really know how real life would work in these situations until after Jeph has drawn it. :P
I’m not going to watch Strip Search, because I hate reality TV
Any other opinions I might have of it are moot because of that
Although I will be mad if Erika Moen doesn’t win because she is a sweetie
Aw. :(
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Strip Search?
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Strip Search?
Penny Arcade's Next Top Model Pop star Top Chef Webcomic Artist.
Edit: Cause they're searching for a good strip. geddit? geddit?
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<offkeyrimshot followed by an audience groan>
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I would like to modify my vote slightly: Marten gets hit on but he absolutely fails to realize it.
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I LOVE IT. ;D
Though... not in real life. Please, nobody do this in real life. :P
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WWF: Wedding Edition
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HAAAAAH. New comic up...totally worth it.
While you were replying, someone made a move on your date. Good job, jackass, now she's going home with him.
DAMMIT.
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It's like watching the dress rehearsals (that we all know exist) for
Dr. Phil Jerry Springer...
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Oh god, that was SOOOO uncomfortable until the last panel...
:-D :-D :-D Loved it! :mrgreen:
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WWE: Wedding Wrestling Entertainment!
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*Cackles Madly* Perfect.
I am also somehow reminded of Aunt Penelope's great rant about why a wedding should have an ice sculpture.
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<offkeyrimshot followed by an audience groan>
It took the finest minds in both Penny Arcade and LoadingReadyRun to come up with that title. :P
I could ask so many questions about this one. Did Henry and Veronica write that together? Did Maurice and Marten lend a helping hand? Are they actually seriously considering doing this at the reception and trusting that their friends, knowing each other's character, will get the joke? Where's Claire, and what does she think of this aspect of Marten's family dynamics?
But actually, I don't want answers to any of those questions. There don't have to be answers. This can just be a sublimely silly moment in the comic. :)
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Not sure if drama overload...
... or just new take on the term "wedding crashing".
(Get it? 'Cuz there was also a meme-reference in the strip? Eh? Eh?)
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I'm claiming a hit on the drunken shenanigans part I predicted earlier. Only one out of four may be inebriated but it certainly counts as shenanigans.
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Genuinely bought it all the way up to the punchline. Bravo, Jeph.
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Oh god, that was SOOOO uncomfortable until the last panel...
:-D :-D :-D Loved it! :mrgreen:
Damn, this would make for one helluva wedding video.
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They've really gotten over the divorce if they can joke about it like this.
Messy divorce (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=431)
Marten had some trouble with it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1511)
Many a true word is spoken in jest (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1512)
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Considering the recent revelation of how they met, perhaps the anger of the first few years may have been drug-fueled?
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Marten turned out better than you'd expect if his parents had been heavy users during his formative years.
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See? It's not real. None of it's real. The characters even said so. Painting a lampshade on the fourth wall or something.
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That was awkward, right up until that last panel. Then an awkward, tentative smile appeared on my face as I tried to figure out what these crazy people were thinkin'.
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Not just drunken shenanigans, carefully planned and rehearsed drunken shenanigans! :lol:
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Ahhhh family moments!
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You know that the conversation started with, "How could we get the reception video on the top ten on YouTube?"
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You know that the conversation started with, "How could we get the reception video on the top ten on YouTube?"
At least it didn't start with, "Hold my beer and watch this."
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I can see a caption contest on that third panel with Mom grabbing Marten. OOF.
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I really love the second panel. I think it's because she looks like she's screaming into her scotch like a microphone. XD
"Hello?! HELLO?! Is this thing on or am I not drunk enough yet?!"
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reception-trolling... I love it
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You know that the conversation started with, "How could we get the reception video on the top ten on YouTube?"
YES
Also, I would like to vote for all of the above on the poll, but sadly someone neglected to include that option. :(
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WWE: Wedding Wrestling Entertainment!
Well, it is The Big Show :-D
Nothing like practice to make it all go smoothly
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I was really buying that until Jeph let up the gig, although I voted for more DJ, I really hope we get to see Veronica's life move forward a little here.
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And with that little speech, we now have confirmation;
Veronica was "best man".
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Flip the table for happiness, and the tackle becomes a hug :lol: .
Also,
The feeeeeeels
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That was seriously touching.
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"There are probably kids reading now who weren't born yet in 1998."
:psyduck:
...they wouldn't be much younger than I was when I started reading.
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Yesterday I found out that one of the characters of my favourite childhood anime (a 7 year old girl) is, canonically, born 1989. That makes her older than me. And the anime is still running. And she is still 7.
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
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I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
Can we tweet that to our #swag friends? 'Cause that's all us youngsters do, you know :laugh:
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Also,
The feeeeeeels
All the feels.
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
You know you're old, when rather than finding all of your friends are getting married, you find that they're all getting divorced (or having affairs), and occasionally dying. :-(
I think Veronica's previous speech was better, but we were never going to see that in action, it would have just been repetition. Of course, there's plenty of time for her to get really hammered, and then do a more authentic slightly off script rendition. :-D
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
Yeah...though in some ways it only shows that she isn't a total bitch to everyone, just her son when he was at a low point. This does rehabilitate her, but the aforementioned incident still sticks in my craw.
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You know what? I think I caught some of The feeeeeeels as well... That was a very nice comic.
D-do I still get to flip the table?
Yes. Yes you can, and do it with pride!
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Awwwwww...
Love it. So does Marten get to do his embarrassing speech next, or has he forgotten about it?
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Yesterday I found out that one of the characters of my favourite childhood anime (a 7 year old girl) is, canonically, born 1989. That makes her older than me. And the anime is still running. And she is still 7.
Psh, that's nothing. Bart Simpson was born in 1979...and he's still 10. Hell, even Maggie's a year older, and she's still one!
And of course, awwwww to the comic :)
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
You, myself and Paul can just stand over here and sip our drinks, watch the youngsters make fools of themselves the way we used to, and remind them to stay the hell off our lawns.
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Feels for reals!
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
Yeah...though in some ways it only shows that she isn't a total bitch to everyone, just her son when he was at a low point. This does rehabilitate her, but the aforementioned incident still sticks in my craw.
Did neither of you ever get tough love or something? Were I behaving a quarter as bad as Marten was in that strip, my mother would have euthanized me.
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Yesterday I found out that one of the characters of my favourite childhood anime (a 7 year old girl) is, canonically, born 1989. That makes her older than me. And the anime is still running. And she is still 7.
You think you've got problems, imagine how everyone else feels reading someone born the 90s having a "that makes me feel old" moment.
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
Yeah...though in some ways it only shows that she isn't a total bitch to everyone, just her son when he was at a low point. This does rehabilitate her, but the aforementioned incident still sticks in my craw.
Did neither of you ever get tough love or something? Were I behaving a quarter as bad as Marten was in that strip, my mother would have euthanized me.
How could that be interpreted as Marten behaving bad? :psyduck:
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What are YOU looking forward to seeing at this reception?
More of that German DJ! 5 (10%)
Seeing if Mom actually does find anyone at the reception. 9 (18%)
Someone known by (or actually IS) one of the rest of the cast shows up! 3 (6%)
More pics for Aunt Jen's "website"! 2 (4%)
Claire's awkward moments! 13 (26%)
Someone hits on Marten - and Marten has ZERO interest! 7 (14%)
New character introduction! 3 (6%)
JAWOQC (Just Another Week Of Questionable Content) 3 (6%)
Waffles! 0 (0%)
Spathe Ham! 1 (2%)
Screw the memes - is the new comic up yet? (F5) Is the new comic up yet? (F5)... 3 (6%)
WWE: Wedding Wrestling Entertainment! 1 (2%)
ALL THE FEELS! 0 (0%)
Total Members Voted: 50
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
Yeah...though in some ways it only shows that she isn't a total bitch to everyone, just her son when he was at a low point. This does rehabilitate her, but the aforementioned incident still sticks in my craw.
Did neither of you ever get tough love or something? Were I behaving a quarter as bad as Marten was in that strip, my mother would have euthanized me.
How could that be interpreted as Marten behaving bad? :psyduck:
Mitigating circumstances aside, Marten's words and attitude immediately preceding were those of a petulant teen. Veronica, whatever her faults, was acting like someone who felt she was due a mother's respect.
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
You, myself and Paul can just stand over here and sip our drinks, watch the youngsters make fools of themselves the way we used to, and remind them to stay the hell off our lawns.
Redball and I will join you.
I have to ask though - what is our age order here in the forums? October of 1967 here (and old enough to be some-o yo's daddies).
EDIT: Though I'm not old enough to be Jeph's daddy, thankfully.
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September 1940.
And get off my lawn!
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August '46 - but I'm too busy to stand around sipping drinks... Gotta go, things to do, things to do (just walked dogs in a late lunch break, now back to the office for a meeting about the department websites which I'm taking over technical responsibility for).
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[...]which I'm taking over technical responsibility for
irresponsible adult
*FOREBODE FOREBODE FOREBODE*
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Youngin here. 90. But if it makes any of you relics feel better I'm blind as a bat... (till thursday any way) half deaf and my knees and lower legs are jacked up enough I'll probably be walking with a cane before the end of the year.
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I should mention that you need to get off my lawn because the band (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo1SlTQzUgo)is coming to play a concert there.
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August '87 over here.
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January of '66. Neither old nor young. :-D
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Youngin here. 90.
I'm choosing to read that as a literal age rather than a shortened 1990. :-D
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On a more serious note, I really liked Veronica here. It redeemed her a bit in my eyes from the whole "Marten Tiberius Reed! Apologize to your friends!" ordeal.
Yeah...though in some ways it only shows that she isn't a total bitch to everyone, just her son when he was at a low point. This does rehabilitate her, but the aforementioned incident still sticks in my craw.
Did neither of you ever get tough love or something? Were I behaving a quarter as bad as Marten was in that strip, my mother would have euthanized me.
How could that be interpreted as Marten behaving bad? :psyduck:
Mitigating circumstances aside, Marten's words and attitude immediately preceding were those of a petulant teen. Veronica, whatever her faults, was acting like someone who felt she was due a mother's respect.
Just because she felt that doesn't mean she was due it then. She was out of line and Marten had every right to object, and she was even further out of line for shutting him down.
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
You, myself and Paul can just stand over here and sip our drinks, watch the youngsters make fools of themselves the way we used to, and remind them to stay the hell off our lawns.
Redball and I will join you.
I have to ask though - what is our age order here in the forums? October of 1967 here (and old enough to be some-o yo's daddies).
Count me in - March of '62. I remember meeting some hippies driving up to Woodstock when I was a kid...
And I think this deserves its own thread somewhere. Like maybe a "happy birthday" thread. I'll be 51 in under 2 weeks.
Kugai, I know you're the same year as me...
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Just because she felt that doesn't mean she was due it then. She was out of line and Marten had every right to object, and she was even further out of line for shutting him down.
Even the worst parents feel respect is owed. Sometimes, the worse the parent is, the nmore they feel that way.
Out of line or not, she's his mother. And he's a "good boy", so he'll kowtow. Family dynamics.
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I'd say more often, actually. Wouldn't a good parent know that respect has to be earned?
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After the most recent fight with my older daughter, I can safely say I wouldn't know.
:cry:
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Just because she felt that doesn't mean she was due it then. She was out of line and Marten had every right to object, and she was even further out of line for shutting him down.
Even the worst parents feel respect is owed. Sometimes, the worse the parent is, the nmore they feel that way.
Out of line or not, she's his mother. And he's a "good boy", so he'll kowtow. Family dynamics.
He's theoretically an adult. I said nothing about whether he should have objected; he had a right to. The manner of his objection was that of a petulant teen.
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If the older set comes over to my yard, there will be chairs.
A woman I'd like to see more of in Michigan was born two weeks after I graduated from high school. She'll be 58 this summer. Dammit.
And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
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I have to ask though - what is our age order here in the forums? October of 1967 here (and old enough to be some-o yo's daddies).
EDIT: Though I'm not old enough to be Jeph's daddy, thankfully.
November 1959
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March 1984
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Ms. Reed is _so_ lucky Faye wasn't around when she went off on Marten. The Intimidation Field might not have protected her.
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The Intimidation Field might work, even on the Peach. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1841) But you're right; a direct attack on Faye might be less of a trigger than an attack, real or perceived, on her Indieboy.
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Out of line or not, she's his mother. And he's a "good boy", so he'll kowtow. Family dynamics.
Oh so very much...
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Tunnel snipping
Just because she felt that doesn't mean she was due it then. She was out of line and Marten had every right to object, and she was even further out of line for shutting him down.
Even the worst parents feel respect is owed. Sometimes, the worse the parent is, the nmore they feel that way.
Out of line or not, she's his mother. And he's a "good boy", so he'll kowtow. Family dynamics.
He's theoretically an adult. I said nothing about whether he should have objected; he had a right to. The manner of his objection was that of a petulant teen.
Of course, what right did he have to stand up to her? He should have just let her keep rolling over him. His mother KNEW he was at a low point. He didn't ask her to come, she insisted. She then spent almost all her time there insulting and embarassing him, but decided to sneak off to hug and comfort Dora. The only petulant one would be her, Marten finally told her enough was enough and she decided to smack him down publically, and honestly Marten also should have called out his so called friends for not saying anything during that.
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^This
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Maybe something to the effect of, "I'm sorry, I didn't realize motherhood not only endowed you with the power to publicly emasculate me as much as you like but also affords you diplomatic immunity as a shield against any subsequent fallout. I'll just run any future social visits you have planned by my lawyer first to make sure I won't be overstepping my bounds when I don't feel like taking your shit again."
...nah, went too far into the rights allegory.
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And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
I only know Zoe is since it's been brought up elsewhere. :-)
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Of course, what right did he have to stand up to her? He should have just let her keep rolling over him.
(moderator here: I changed a broken quote tag and will fix it again if I got it wrong)
No, that's exactly the opposite of what I said.
I said Marten had a right to stand up to her. The tone of his response -- the eyeroll, the "let's lock you in your hotel room before you can embarass me further ..." -- those are the words and manner of someone not yet an adult, no matter what the calendar says. You have this conversation in private, maybe even beforehand if you have the forethought to anticipate it (he had fair warning if from nothing more than VV showing up despite his objections) even if only to avoid a public backfire. As someone said upthread, respect is earned.
Responses such as those suggested only cement the idea you can still be addressed as a pre-adult.
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Damn!
I was looking forward to the Tables, Ladders and Chairs match :-D
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You have this conversation in private, maybe even beforehand if you have the forethought to anticipate it (he had fair warning if from nothing more than VV showing up despite his objections) even if only to avoid a public backfire.
Veronica left lunch with Marten and his friends to go talk to Dora, which is what he was reacting to when he found out, IIRC. Also, he has no way of knowing this, but it's kind of annoying that she bent over backwards to try and make Dora felt comfortable with the whole conversation, but she didn't extend that courtesy to her own son. Yes, Marten could have responded more maturely, but she shouldn't have put him in the position where he had to respond at all.
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Her level of understanding, despite what her intentions may have been, was minimal at best.
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I think she may have realized, after the fact, that she'd screwed up in dealing with Marten. Then again, it seems that is her strong suit: hindsight.
(Enter Goatse joke here.)
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My hovercraft is full of feels!
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I think we can all agree that marriage is about love.
Someone's never read Tolstoy.
Never, never marry, my friend. Here’s my advice to you: don’t marry until you can tell yourself that you’ve done all you could, and until you’ve stopped loving the woman you’ve chosen, until you see her clearly, otherwise you’ll be cruelly and irremediably mistaken. Marry when you’re old and good for nothing…Otherwise all that’s good and lofty in you will be lost.
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My hovercraft is full of feels!
My Lovercraft is full of.. OH GODS WHAT THE HELL IS THAT
Someone's never read Tolstoy.
Never, never marry, my friend. Here’s my advice to you: don’t marry until you can tell yourself that you’ve done all you could, and until you’ve stopped loving the woman you’ve chosen, until you see her clearly, otherwise you’ll be cruelly and irremediably mistaken. Marry when you’re old and good for nothing…Otherwise all that’s good and lofty in you will be lost.
Reminds me of the Iliad: "Ah, to have never married; and childless died!".
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My hovercraft is full of feels!
+1 would pun again
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Well, that was quite the speech.
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Good job speech. Good Marten. Yes. Thanks.
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Marten DID (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1518) ask to make an embarrassing speech at the reception, he just didn't say who would be embarrassed. :p
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Best Claire expression.
(http://puu.sh/2gPCp)
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(http://puu.sh/2gPCp)
"Perhaps you would have us climb a tree!" (http://youtu.be/oGvGGyLn9Os)
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1) I have given speeches like that before. Public speaking on about ten seconds' notice just does NOT work with some people.
2) Claire is definitely growing as a character. Over the course of this weekend, she has shared a room with Marten, met and accepted his family, (attempted to) fix his clothing, and is now ribbing him like it's old hat. By the end of this arc, she will have either agreed to go on a date with Marten or will have permanently and irrevocably earned her stripes in his circle of friends. There is no "Claire the Intern" after The Wedding.
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Goddamn, I had to google Cicero.
And that is a mighty fine Claire expression there. Suaving it up a bit, perhaps it's the whiskey's fault.
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Best Claire expression.
I was about to post that too. Great expression and a great look for her.
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LOVED Claire calling Marten "Cicero". A very apt sarcastic comparison. ;D
Mind you, scaring off bullies (like Verres, for those of you who know your Cicero) with words isn't really Marten's style.
What IS his style for scaring off bullies?
... Sadly, probably the "Steve Rogers pre-Captain-America" method. :P
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There is no "Claire the Intern" after The Wedding.
This is true. Gotta be honest, I didn't expect Claire to be the intern to make the leap from intern to main cast, but it looks like she has.
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Reading today's comic was like listening to me speak in public.
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There is no "Claire the Intern" after The Wedding.
This is true. Gotta be honest, I didn't expect Claire to be the intern to make the leap from intern to main cast, but it looks like she has.
So it's um......erm....uh....that other chick's turn after this arc? Like that one daughter in Downton Abbey. Um.....er.......Ethel? Elizabeth?
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Gabby? Probably not. I mean, she and Emily will still show up, but they'll probably be side characters, maybe Steve/Cosette level or so.
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Goddamn, I had to google Cicero.
:psyduck:
O tempora! O mores!
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Oh Mighty Netram Deer, Great Orator of our time, please to humble us with the wordmaking of the mouth-thoughts. Jah.
And Ostriches. :mrgreen:
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this may have aleady of been brought up. sorry if it has. but is Henry's husband Marten's old boss? He looks just like him anyway....
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this may have aleady of been brought up. sorry if it has. but is Henry's husband Marten's old boss? He looks just like him anyway....
No, they have different names.
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LOVED Claire calling Marten "Cicero". A very apt sarcastic comparison. ;D
Mind you, scaring off bullies (like Verres, for those of you who know your Cicero) with words isn't really Marten's style.
What IS his style for scaring off bullies?
... Sadly, probably the "Steve Rogers pre-Captain-America" method. :P
Yep, the old "face to the fists" method (victim's face to bullies' fists) - applied repeatedly. As to the "speech", well, Marten could really use a Toastmasters course. Their "Impromptu" speech section deals with having to make a speech on short notice.
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As to the "speech", well, Marten could really use a Toastmasters course. Their "Impromptu" speech section deals with having to make a speech on short notice.
There's another "impromptu" method that tends to work well...at least for some people. It's called "alcohol." ;D
COME ON MARTEN GET DRUNK ALREADY :mrgreen:
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And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
March 1958 here.
Recent photo
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/58793_4908390861039_1866581752_n.jpg)
It heartens me that my students have expressions of disbelief when I tell them my age.
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Could have gone with:
MAWWAGE! Mawwage is what bwings us togevvah today!
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As to the "speech", well, Marten could really use a Toastmasters course. Their "Impromptu" speech section deals with having to make a speech on short notice.
There's another "impromptu" method that tends to work well...at least for some people. It's called "alcohol." ;D
COME ON MARTEN GET DRUNK ALREADY :mrgreen:
I was about to disagree with you, then I went back and read the comic again. Yeah, Marten could not have done any worse being drunk. At least he might have gotten more words out.
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Cicero is widely misquoted, by the way. He was actually exclaiming with delight when a Japanese restaurant served him batter-fried eels.
"Oh, tempura! Oh, morays!"
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Yeah, Marten could not have done any worse being drunk. At least he might have gotten more words out.
I thought less was more here. I'm with Veronica on this one.
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Cicero is widely misquoted, by the way. He was actually exclaiming with delight when a Japanese restaurant served him batter-fried eels.
"Oh, tempura! Oh, morays!"
I thought they accidentally brought him fish. "Accidente soles".
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I used to annoy the hell out of a particular bartender by insisting on calling Tullamore Dew "the Great Orator."
It was after I'd heard it abbreviated enough times as "Tully."
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What IS his style for scaring off bullies?
Stop sign to the head (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=721). Or sword (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1902), as the case may be.
Could have gone with:
MAWWAGE! Mawwage is what bwings us togevvah today!
I instantly thought that as well.
Anyway, Marten should have really prepared a speech. Maybe not prepared in full, but something to say. I mean he could have expected people wanted him to speak, him being the presumably closest blood relative. Unless the unnamed uncle (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2378) is Henry's brother.
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Stop sign to the head (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=721). Or sword (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1902), as the case may be.
Hey, give him credit for the soufflé pan (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=697)!
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ANYWAY. Ma-mawwiage! Yes! Twu wuv!
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His speech could have been worse. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1517)
Sadly, Marten, I know the feeling. Public speaking, polite conversation... although witty banter does still function sometimes.
And, from before, I'm a comparative young-un. June of '83.
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You know, if he had pulled out the Princess Bride he definitely could have saved that speech I think
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk277/Teutonic_Knight_Funnay/tumblr_m5rewytGB91qde2kgo1_500_zpsc0cad2a4.png)
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Dang. Some of you people are YOUNG. :-D
I'm going to sit over here and slowly wrinkle....
You, myself and Paul can just stand over here and sip our drinks, watch the youngsters make fools of themselves the way we used to, and remind them to stay the hell off our lawns.
Redball and I will join you.
I have to ask though - what is our age order here in the forums? October of 1967 here (and old enough to be some-o yo's daddies).
EDIT: Though I'm not old enough to be Jeph's daddy, thankfully.
Feb of '69.
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NB - people putting their ages, note the poll in the 'Hi I'm New' forum.
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Goddamn, I had to google Cicero.
:psyduck:
O tempora! O mores!
Lorem ipsum consectetur!
Sept 53. And really disappointed that I'm not the oldest.
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I approve of saucy Claire.
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I dunno about saucy, but slightly suave snarker Claire is very nice.
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CLAIRE has LEVELED UP!
CLAIRE gains SNARK +1!
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Agree on Claire looking very sharp in that last panel. I like it. (Generally like that look on women.)
Agree on Claire no longer being "just an intern at Marten's workplace" after this arc. (except when Jeph pulls a Willis and kills her off slightly.)
Damn fine strip today. Although if Marten EVER wants to go on stage and not make a mumbling ass of himself he should learn how to publicly improvise. Jeeez, son, you're not 16 anymore. °O
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He works (part time?) at a library and plays in a band.
He is SO 16.
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when Jeph pulls a Willis
BUTTS BUTTS BUTTS!
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I recently gave a speech on a few hours notice, with visuals. I heard quacking and babbling in a voice that sounded like mine but was told I did a fine job. I can only conclude most of the drinking was done before I got there.
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[Snip] By the end of this arc, she will have either agreed to go on a date with Marten or will have permanently and irrevocably earned her stripes in his circle of friends. [snip]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Claire a trans? So far I'm not entirely sure what that means... for her...
If she has a [EXPUNGED] I don't think Marten would go for it.
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Hi, I see you're new here! You might want to read up a bit in some of the other (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html) threads (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28499.0.html) about transgendered issues and language usage.
Meanwhile, enjoy your stay!
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She's oriented toward men, Marten realizes that it would be unethical to date an intern, and I have learned recently that it is extraordinarily rude to speculate about a real trans person's genitals. We have been invited to practice being polite with Claire even though she's fictional.
Marten is just the sort who would be potentially open-minded, though.
Probably not foreshadowing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1300).
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Goddamn, I had to google Cicero.
:psyduck:
O tempora! O mores!
Lorem ipsum consectetur!
Sept 53. And really disappointed that I'm not the oldest.
Gopher Tuna (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PHidVqh4C8)
Marten, I feel your pain
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If she has a [EXPUNGED] I don't think Marten would go for it.
Subtle. ;)
It's not like transwomen date gay guys, though, so I wouldn't see it being a sure deal-breaker if he fancied her either way. I don't think it's really been explored how open he'd be to that, so we just don't know (and if Jeph goes in that direction then clearly he'd be fine with it). *Shrugs*
Probably not foreshadowing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1300).
If only it was that simple, Marten.. :-P
It's pretty weird to see the assumptions people make about how humans work. I mean, it's not like those hormones are unique to us or anything.
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I was thinking along the lines of 18 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18).
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Although, there are still other ways for a couple that is opposed to anal sex and incapable of having vaginal sex to have sexual intimacy...
I honestly doubt Marten would be open-minded enough for it, though. And, as Jeph's basically said he doesn't want to write that sort of conflict (I forget the exact wording), I doubt he'll do more than play with the ship.
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I wish you hadn't reminded me of the joke you just reminded me of. It's one that just might gross out Yelling Bird.
Marten may have had some hangups in high school (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=457).
I see fingers and a tongue. Anything else is gravy.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Claire a trans?
(http://www.braininajamjar.co.uk/petunias.jpg)
Claire is indeed transsexual. A Trans woman. A trans, not so much, that's an unfortunate turn of phrase that may reasonably be seen as dehumanising.
On the other hand, to criticise someone for saying that, unless it's done in the mildest, gentlest and most diplomatic terms, would be even worse.
Oddly, "a transgender" isn't seen as too bad, though again, "a transgender girl" is preferred. "A girl" is better still.
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I was thinking along the lines of 18 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18).
I fail to see how the core tenet applies. What sort of barbarian do you take her for?
And I can't say how much time has passed in-universe, but that was written ten years ago (I was still a pre-teen). :psyduck:
Marten may have had some hangups in high school (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=457).
Drag-queens ≠ Transgender people..
Claire is indeed transsexual. A Trans woman. A trans, not so much, that's an unfortunate turn of phrase that may reasonably be seen as dehumanising.
On the other hand, to criticise someone for saying that, unless it's done in the mildest, gentlest and most diplomatic terms, would be even worse.
Yeah, I elected to not include a bit on it. It's really more of a grammatical thing. It's an adjective, so it's either "X is black" or "X is a black person", whilst people would look oddly at "X is a black". Just took it as a quirk of typing.
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Careful Dora, Tai might associate your boobs with projectile vomiting. Or possibly a strong sense of regret.
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Well, Tai seems upset by all of this.
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Tai's a DJ off hours, isn't she? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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That feel when you've read the comic within minutes of it coming out, and now you have to wait another 24 hours.
Why can't Jeph release comics hourly?!
(kidding of course)
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Boobs are awesome.
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Boobs: the cause of (and solution to) all of life's problems.
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Boobs: the cause of (and solution to) all of life's problems.
I believe you're thinking of alcohol.
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Tai's a DJ off hours, isn't she? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Your memory is correct (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1511).
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Marten would totally be able to deal (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1024)
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Boobs: the cause of (and solution to) all of life's problems.
I believe you're thinking of alcohol.
But boobs are a solid Nos. 2 and 3.
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Drag-queens ≠ Transgender people..
Of course.
But if Marten still has a hangup about being flirted with by female-presenting people with MAAB phenotypes it could affect Claire as well.
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My first thought:
"Well, those can hardly be called boobs, sweety."
Second one:
"What the hell is WRONG with me?!"
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So, Dora's twin peaches are becoming weapons of mass distraction?
So, I take it Ellen Allen is pretty famous, uh?
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So, I take it Ellen Allen is pretty famous, uh?
I think the expression "widely known within small circles" applies.
I don't think we have ever seen Dora's cleavage before, have we?
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On multiple occasions actually. But my archive-fu is hindered by my work-fu.
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So, I take it Ellen Allen is pretty famous, uh?
I think the expression "widely known within small circles" applies.
I believe it's Ellen *Allien*.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Allien
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So, I take it Ellen Allen is pretty famous, uh?
I think the expression "widely known within small circles" applies.
I believe it's Ellen *Allien*.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Allien
Indeed it is. And as Loki suggests, she is a major name in a (fairly) small world.
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Also, http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=802 implies Tai's a fan.
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And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
February 1955. But I don't visit the forum very often (hence my being late to this age-rank discussion)
I think I'm a member of Zoe's Club (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28754.msg1137493.html#msg1137493). Photo from my 58th birthday last month:
(http://lovelyangel.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v82/p1452192964-2.jpg)
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Edit: Posted without actually typing anything...
Any way! Comic! The last Questionable Content Comic I will see with my current eyes! And it has Doraboobs, that's gotta be a good omen right?
Re: Yesterday's comic, I'm kinda disappointed that Marten didn't break into the Princess Bridge "Mawwage" speech when he BSOD'd out, and snark Claire has won my heart all over again!
On to the age discussion! I posted an old dress blues photo before at one point
Me now:
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/178949_10151317937205815_676626954_n.jpg)
I feel really... young all of the sudden around here. If it makes y'all feel better, I'll probably be walking with a cane by the end of the year thanks to some knee damage I picked up while I was in.
Fun fact: The Irish whiskey I'm drinking is old enough to order it's own whiskey... actually it's exactly my age. Knappogue castle used to bottle their booze by vintage like wine. The 1990 bottle I had cost more then I like to think about... but my goddess of sea and sky... cannot even describe the deliciousness.
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Also, http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=802 implies Tai's a fan.
Fizheuer Zieheuer is an excellent track, by the way.
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And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
February 1955. But I don't visit the forum very often (hence my being late to this age-rank discussion)
I think I'm a member of Zoe's Club (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28754.msg1137493.html#msg1137493). Photo from my 58th birthday last month:
(http://lovelyangel.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v82/p1452192964-2.jpg)
Very nice picture. I figured I was one of the oldest people here at 44. LovelyAngel, eh? Say hi to Kei & Yuri.
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My first thought was "wait, why are Dora and Tai in bed together?" then I remembered "oh yeah, they're dating now. I'd forgotten that."
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On to the age discussion! I posted an old dress blues photo before at one point
Me now:
--snip--
Why are you Iron Man?
All the best for your surgery!
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On to the age discussion! I posted an old dress blues photo before at one point
Me now:
--snip--
Why are you Iron Man?
All the best for your surgery!
It's my night job! Actually it was a costume test for Denver Comic Con.
Thank you for the well wishes. I hope to see you all again shortly. Depending on how fast my eyes heal up I might even still be on narcotic pain killers, and that could be highly amusing for everyone.
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Inappropiate Metal Horns FTW... It works perfectly to show off something to a friend, specially if he/she is likes that particular something/someone more than you do.
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I think i had the same reaction when a friend did this to me, but no boobs to make up for it :( . Long and short of it, I'm a historian. I specialize in WWII small arms and weaponry. Have actually loaned a few pieces of my collection to the History channel and Hollywood (Sparingly, they don't treat them as well as History Channel does)
I was supposed to do a firing test on a new acquisition with a buddy of mine at my county run range but got called into work. While sitting at my desk going over some rather boring notes and to make sure everything was normal with a study that was coming up to be published, I get a text from my range partner who had gone on without me.
Him. Standing with R. Lee Ermey, and a table of some very nice, very rare, and some of my favorite WWII firearms. Poor Tai, it's going to be so much worse when she runs into Marten and he goes into EXCRUCIATING detail of everything.
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...LovelyAngel, eh? Say hi to Kei & Yuri.
Indeed! My LovelyAngel Explanation Page (http://darkshinyobject.com/lovelyangelanime.html). 8-)
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My first thought:
"Well, those can hardly be called boobs, sweety."
Second one:
"What the hell is WRONG with me?!"
My first thought: Dora wears her bra to bed?
Yes, I know, Jeph is trying to keep this more-or-less SFW. But still. :?
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Inappropiate Metal Horns FTW...
Yes... I mean, what other hand-gesture would be more appropriate?
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My first thought:
"Well, those can hardly be called boobs, sweety."
Second one:
"What the hell is WRONG with me?!"
My first thought: Dora wears her bra to bed?
Yes, I know, Jeph is trying to keep this more-or-less SFW. But still. :?
I don't think they're "in bed" as in there for sleeping, or even sexytimes, but are instead using it as a couch with built in foot rest because its warmer ad they won't be disturbed by house/flat mates wanting to watch the TV or whatever.
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My first thought:
"Well, those can hardly be called boobs, sweety."
Second one:
"What the hell is WRONG with me?!"
My first thought: Dora wears her bra to bed?
Yes, I know, Jeph is trying to keep this more-or-less SFW. But still. :?
I don't think they're "in bed" as in there for sleeping, or even sexytimes, but are instead using it as a couch with built in foot rest because its warmer ad they won't be disturbed by house/flat mates wanting to watch the TV or whatever.
Dora lives by herself these days, I think. But I agree, they do not look like they're "in bed", per se.
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I wish more woman were willing to show off there boobs as a means of distraction. The world would be a much better place methinks.
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I don't think they're "in bed" as in there for sleeping, or even sexytimes, but are instead using it as a couch with built in foot rest because its warmer ad they won't be disturbed by house/flat mates wanting to watch the TV or whatever.
I assumed they were doing the "watch a movie together while progressing to snuggling" thing. Dora has a hand on Tai's hip in the first two panels.
Also, can anyone explain the title of the comic to me?
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Also, can anyone explain the title of the comic to me?
The "Metal horns" thing that Marten's doing with his hand doesn't quite match with the music of Ellen Allien, which is more of a trance/dance genre.
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I don't think they're "in bed" as in there for sleeping, or even sexytimes, but are instead using it as a couch with built in foot rest because its warmer ad they won't be disturbed by house/flat mates wanting to watch the TV or whatever.
I assumed they were doing the "watch a movie together while progressing to snuggling" thing. Dora has a hand on Tai's hip in the first two panels.
Also, can anyone explain the title of the comic to me?
Arrgh! I was gonna answer this, but:
Warning - while you were reading the universe has suffered heat death. You may wish to review your post.
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Warning - while you were reading the universe has suffered heat death. You may wish to review your post.
Damn. I hate it when that happens.
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Inappropiate Metal Horns FTW...
Yes... I mean, what other hand-gesture would be more appropriate?
A wave. No hand gesture. Peace/victory sign. Arm around shoulder. Pointing.
Hand in the air. Jazz hands. Any o' this? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2052) Picking his nose.
Hand in mouth. Hand in pants, furiously masturbating. Man I don't even know anymore...
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Inappropiate Metal Horns FTW...
Yes... I mean, what other hand-gesture would be more appropriate?
THIS.
V
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(http://d3na4zxidw1hr4.cloudfront.net/site_media/uploads/images/post/-/-/headcount_colbert_jpg_630x665_q85.jpg)
Insert her head where the iPad is. Yeah, THAT's more appropriate. And totally not creepy.
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Boobs: the cause of (and solution to) all of life's problems.
I believe you're thinking of alcohol.
But boobs are a solid Nos. 2 and 3.
ISWYDT.
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Dora lives by herself these days, I think. But I agree, they do not look like they're "in bed", per se.
That does appear to be a bed. It's a headboard, and they do appear to be sitting up and watching a DVD on a laptop... and it appears Tai may have Russian Fingers.
EDIT: And the wandering eyes of Hannelore on the cover of Volume 3 make it creepier. :psyduck:
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Dora lives by herself these days, I think. But I agree, they do not look like they're "in bed", per se.
That does appear to be a bed. It's a headboard, and they do appear to be sitting up and watching a DVD on a laptop... and it appears Tai may have Russian Fingers.
Yes, of course, I just mean that they haven't gone to bed in as in preparing to sleep, or whatever. They just use the bed as a seat.
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And no women on the forum past what? 50 or so? Any guesses might merit a thread over in chatter.
February 1955. But I don't visit the forum very often (hence my being late to this age-rank discussion)
I think I'm a member of Zoe's Club (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28754.msg1137493.html#msg1137493). Photo from my 58th birthday last month:
(http://lovelyangel.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v82/p1452192964-2.jpg)
Better at it than I am too.
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Boobs are indeed quite awesome and can serve well as distractions for me, but really any well formed part of the female anatomy is awesome.
I am happy to see that things are progressing nicely with Dora and Tai, the two characters who most remind me of myself in different aspects.
And it is June 1985 for me.
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As someone who doesn't own a couch (or other furniture for that matter) or a tv, I find that the bed makes a nice cozy place to snuggle up to watch a movie. On a laptop.
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But if Marten still has a hangup about being flirted with by female-presenting people with MAAB phenotypes it could affect Claire as well.
I can absolutely guarantee that regardless of other factors, a girl who transitioned as young as Claire did has totally female pheremones. You can't look like that otherwise.
Similarly, trans guys, a few days after a T shot, have interesting effects on any straight female that gets within a metre.
Yes, I speak from personal experience, and it's entirely involuntary. Reliably reproducible experimentally too.
On the other hand, I've been reliably informed that Trans guys a few days after a T shot have their own psychological reactions, that some find unsettling at the start of transition. To someone in a state of chronic testosterone starvation, having that relieved leads to a condition that in cis males would be called "blue balls".
Apparently, males are/tend to be more visually oriented, females are/tend to be more smell and taste oriented. Trans women are female-typical neurologically here.
See:
Male-to-female transsexuals show sex-atypical hypothalamus activation when smelling odorous steroids. by Berglund et al Cerebral Cortex 2008 18(8):1900-1908; ...the data implicate that transsexuality may be associated with sex-atypical physiological responses in specific hypothalamic circuits, possibly as a consequence of a variant neuronal differentiation.
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And it is June 1985 for me.
...The month I graduated from high school.
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Long and short of it, I'm a historian. I specialize in WWII small arms and weaponry. Have actually loaned a few pieces of my collection to the History channel and Hollywood (Sparingly, they don't treat them as well as History Channel does)
I must put you in contact with a G/F of mine. Lynette Nusbacher. In a previous incarnation she appeared on many military history programs on the History Channel.
I can still remember the "Immediate Action - Gas Stoppage" drill on the Bren Mk 1. Mk 2 was easier IIRC. Lovely weapon, even I could put all 3 rounds of a burst into a dinnerplate sized target exposed for 5 secs at 200 metres.
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Interesting, ZoeB. I am not trans, but I am totally visually stimulated. But, I am also an artist, so visuals are something I respond to in general. I am not sure if my keying toward visual stimulation is a result of studying painting or if my predisposition toward the visual arts is a result of my tendency toward visual stimulation. I remember reading somewhere quite some time ago that lesbians tend to have more "male" structured brains, something to do with the release of testosterone during a key point in fetal gestation, but I don't know how much truth there is to that and I can't recall where I read it.
That being said, tastes and smells definitely aid in the arousal process.
jwouk, you are almost as old as my parents would have been if they were still alive.
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Apparently, males are/tend to be more visually oriented, females are/tend to be more smell and taste oriented. Trans women are female-typical neurologically here.
See:
Male-to-female transsexuals show sex-atypical hypothalamus activation when smelling odorous steroids. by Berglund et al Cerebral Cortex 2008 18(8):1900-1908; ...the data implicate that transsexuality may be associated with sex-atypical physiological responses in specific hypothalamic circuits, possibly as a consequence of a variant neuronal differentiation.
Interestingly, my sense of smell kicked in in high school. I was at an all boys' school, but for choir at the end of the day we shipped in sopranos and altos from the girl's school up the street. We'd be in the choir room, and they'd troop in... and the air changed. Noticeably.
It was my favorite time of day, even though after a few breaths I had trouble hiding the pitched tent with my music folder.
OK, maybe that needed to go into the TMI thread. Sorry.
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One of the many reasons I am glad I am not a man. Hiding my arousal is not difficult at all, unless the person has an decidedly acute sense of smell.
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I remember reading somewhere quite some time ago that lesbians tend to have more "male" structured brains, something to do with the release of testosterone during a key point in fetal gestation, but I don't know how much truth there is to that and I can't recall where I read it.
Same thing causes Transsexuality, just at a different "Golden Moment", and different parts of the brain are involved. The foetus ends up more or less Androphillic/Gynephillic, and Male/Female identifying. Usally male genitaliais associated with male gender identity and gynephillia, but there are exceptions (ie gays exist, trans men exist, trans women exist, intersex people exist...)
fMRI Scan of Homosexual/Heterosexual Men/Women
(http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/06/16/Brai_Scan_460X276.jpg)
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The phone should have gone "fraatz fraatz fraatz".
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As someone who doesn't own a couch (or other furniture for that matter) or a tv, I find that the bed makes a nice cozy place to snuggle up to watch a movie. On a laptop.
This certainly makes sense, I can't imagine Dora, living by herself on a probably small income would have enough money/desire to go and buy a couch when a bed would suffice.
Also, is this the first of us seeing the new apartment set up? I know we saw it being set up a little, but not furnished.
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Long and short of it, I'm a historian. I specialize in WWII small arms and weaponry. Have actually loaned a few pieces of my collection to the History channel and Hollywood (Sparingly, they don't treat them as well as History Channel does)
I must put you in contact with a G/F of mine. Lynette Nusbacher. In a previous incarnation she appeared on many military history programs on the History Channel.
I can still remember the "Immediate Action - Gas Stoppage" drill on the Bren Mk 1. Mk 2 was easier IIRC. Lovely weapon, even I could put all 3 rounds of a burst into a dinnerplate sized target exposed for 5 secs at 200 metres.
Bren? So jealous <3 that said I'm still madly in love with the M2 I worked with in the Corps briefly, and any woman in my life has to accept that Ma Deuce will always be first in my heart.
And Fanboi, you gotta meet Gunny when you get the chance, I've meet him twice now and he's fantastic, there is no difference between his off screen "hanging with Marines" personality and how his is on his shows. Hell of a Marine, and one of the most deserved meritorious promotions to Gunnery Sergeant I've ever heard of.
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As someone who doesn't own a couch (or other furniture for that matter) or a tv, I find that the bed makes a nice cozy place to snuggle up to watch a movie. On a laptop.
This certainly makes sense, I can't imagine Dora, living by herself on a probably small income would have enough money/desire to go and buy a couch when a bed would suffice.
Also, is this the first of us seeing the new apartment set up? I know we saw it being set up a little, but not furnished.
Dora at least had a couch: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1913 – though they could have dropped it, I guess.
But you meant Tai, perhaps?
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Nice comic today, it was good to see other QC faces outside the wedding. Marten was such a tease in this one, poor Tai! :D
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On one of my Archive re-readings I discovered, that Tai apparently really is a great fan. In comic 962 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=962) she's seen wearing a BPitch Control shirt, which is the record label founded by Ellen Allien.
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Zoe, on the color coding, what's being measured on the scale of 0-6?
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Claire is definitely growing as a character. Over the course of this weekend, she has shared a room with Marten, met and accepted his family, (attempted to) fix his clothing, and is now ribbing him like it's old hat. By the end of this arc, she will have either agreed to go on a date with Marten or will have permanently and irrevocably earned her stripes in his circle of friends. There is no "Claire the Intern" after The Wedding.
I agree with your point that there's no more treating her as just "Claire the Intern", but that's been going on for a while. At least since she decided to share a personal secret with Marten. I really don't see a date in their future though. I've not noticed anything that I could characterize as signs of attraction on Marten's part, and nothing on Claire's part that isn't a stretch.
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I remember reading somewhere quite some time ago that lesbians tend to have more "male" structured brains, something to do with the release of testosterone during a key point in fetal gestation, but I don't know how much truth there is to that and I can't recall where I read it.
Same thing causes Transsexuality, just at a different "Golden Moment", and different parts of the brain are involved. The foetus ends up more or less Androphillic/Gynephillic, and Male/Female identifying. Usally male genitaliais associated with male gender identity and gynephillia, but there are exceptions (ie gays exist, trans men exist, trans women exist, intersex people exist...)
fMRI Scan of Homosexual/Heterosexual Men/Women
(http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/06/16/Brai_Scan_460X276.jpg)
Cool, thanks , that does look familiar. It makes me wonder if there are different degrees of "maleness" and "femaleness" of various brains and if this in any way affects predispositions to particular behavioral patterns. Obviously people exist on a variety of spectra, but I am curious as to exactly how much influence brain structure has on where they fall on them. For example, I am a fairly androgynous woman, I prefer styles of clothing that are more traditionally masculine and I am extremely uncomfortable in anything feminine (dresses are right out). I am also told that my behavioral patterns when it comes to sex and relationships are rather male. However, despite all that I very much identify as a woman. There is no question in my mind that I am a woman, but how I express it is somewhat atypical. I'd be interesting to know how much of this is rooted in basic brain structures. As always I am interested in the dynamic between innate characteristics (or at least predispositions) and learned behavior and the biofeedback loop between brain structure and behavior/experience. Our brain structure effects our behavior and our behavior and experiences in turn effect the structure of our brains.
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That is the most stoked I've ever seen Marten, Dora boobs are back!
edit: also the title is painfully correct, bad metal horns Marten...
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Interestingly, my sense of smell kicked in in high school. I was at an all boys' school, but for choir at the end of the day we shipped in sopranos and altos from the girl's school up the street. We'd be in the choir room, and they'd troop in... and the air changed. Noticeably.
It was my favorite time of day, even though after a few breaths I had trouble hiding the pitched tent with my music folder.
OK, maybe that needed to go into the TMI thread. Sorry.
Story time!
My ex-girlfriend (who was at least bi-curious at the time) had this one female friend M, who eventually started taking the birth control pill at some point. A few weeks after, her best friend, who had been totally straight up to this point, came out to her with "being in love with her", which reportedly completely caught M offguard. A few weeks after that, M kind-of-cheated on her boyfriend with another guy from my then-GF circle of acquaintances (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,24169.msg1004946.html#msg1004946) (ie they made out during a sleepover, said guy promised to tell no living soul and proceeded to spill the beans the next morning to me and my then-GF. Being the hormonally-driven teenagers that we were and being both attracted to M, the reaction of both of us was, regrettably, mostly "Luuuucky".) Then-GF and me reasoned that maybe the pill made her somehow more attractive to everybody around her, including girls and boys alike, possibly either through odor or subtle changes in behavior.
Edit: I just saw that Linds was among the people who responded to my thread about it back then. I should apologize to her for killing her in the first round of Mafia 5. Sorry Linds!
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Someone is getting extra stack duty when he comes back.
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Zoe, on the color coding, what's being measured on the scale of 0-6?
Blood flow under certain stimuli. A pretty crude metric for the brain activity that's happening, but the best we have. The pictures are composites of about 15 people in each category.
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I think that that Cellphone was on Vibrate
Nice going Marten, way to spoil the mood between Dora and Tai.
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...and he probably has NO idea he did that.
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Zoe, on the color coding, what's being measured on the scale of 0-6?
Blood flow under certain stimuli. A pretty crude metric for the brain activity that's happening, but the best we have. The pictures are composites of about 15 people in each category.
The first thing I thought of when I saw a 0-6 scale was "Kinsey"...and then I thought of Liam Neeson, because that movie was BIZARRE.
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It makes me wonder if there are different degrees of "maleness" and "femaleness" of various brains and if this in any way affects predispositions to particular behavioral patterns.
You got it. Well expressed too, this isn't binary, different parts of the brain conform more or less to a male/female average or stereotype, no-one is 100% M or 100% F in all respects.
Obviously people exist on a variety of spectra, but I am curious as to exactly how much influence brain structure has on where they fall on them.
Quite a lot. However many parts of the brain are plastic to some degree, so there's feedback involved.
As a general rule, when it comes to "Gendered behaviour", most of it has no biological basis. Most - but perhaps 20% or so does, and this 20% is quite important. While it does cover some problem-solving, 3D visio-spatial relationship perception, language ability and other easily measurable areas, a bigger part is to do with emotional response, body language, "instincts" for want of a better term.
So while it's a good first approximation to say that Gender is entirely a social construct, that there are no differences, that approximation soon breaks down.
This is most glaringly, blindingly obvious in some Intersex conditions, where we know neurological development is anomalous in the area of sexual dimorphism. I'll give 3 examples:
Turner syndrome : women with 45,X rather than 46,XX chromosomes
Mental retardation is not a feature of Turner syndrome, despite such claims in older medical textbooks. Thorough psychological studies show that these women are normal intellectually, but often have a characteristic pattern of intellectual functioning. While their verbal IQ usually is average or above, their non-verbal IQ may be considerably lower because of problems visualizing objects in relation to each other. This difficulty may show up in poor performance in math, geometry, and tasks requiring manual dexterity or sense of direction.
- Turner Syndrome -- Human Growth Foundation.
Klinefelter syndrome - usually caused by males having 47,XXY not 46,XY chromosomes:
Although they are not mentally retarded, most XXY males have some degree of language impairment. As children, they often learn to speak much later than do other children and may have difficulty learning to read and write.
-- Understanding Klinefelter Syndrome -- National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.
Whether you regard such people as "genetic women" masculinised by a Y chromosome (as is the official position of the Indonesian Catholic Bishops), or "genetic men" feminised by an extra X chromosome is a matter of ideology and faith, not fact. Most are just men, a few are women.
CAH - Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia in females
Data show that increased male-typical toy play by girls with CAH cannot be explained by parental encouragement of male-typical toy play. Although parents encourage sex-appropriate behavior, their encouragement appears to be insufficient to override the interest of girls with CAH in cross-sexed toys.
Prenatal hormones versus postnatal socialization by parents as determinants of male-typical toy play in girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia Pasterski VL, Geffner ME, Brain C, Hindmarsh P, Brook C, Hines M Child Dev 76(1):264-78 2005 http://www.neuroscience.cam.ac.uk/publications/pubInfo.php?foreignId=pubmed%3A15693771
For example, I am a fairly androgynous woman, I prefer styles of clothing that are more traditionally masculine and I am extremely uncomfortable in anything feminine (dresses are right out). I am also told that my behavioral patterns when it comes to sex and relationships are rather male. However, despite all that I very much identify as a woman. There is no question in my mind that I am a woman, but how I express it is somewhat atypical. I'd be interesting to know how much of this is rooted in basic brain structures. As always I am interested in the dynamic between innate characteristics (or at least predispositions) and learned behavior and the biofeedback loop between brain structure and behavior/experience. Our brain structure effects our behavior and our behavior and experiences in turn effect the structure of our brains.
Quoted in entirety, as no expert in the area could have put it better.
Some parts of the brain are plastic to varying degrees. Some parts aren't, but even then, pubescent changes happen there in some parts. It's a 1-way trip though, the pattern of development predestined or organised by hormonal variation in the womb, only activated later.
The organisation/activation model is very powerful, and is considered proven for nonhuman mammals, and nearly proven for humans."Nearly" as to prove it would require unethical experimentation on human fetuses, real Dr Mengele stuff.
The organization-activation theory posits that the nervous system of a developing fetus responds to prenatal androgens so that, at a postnatal time, it will determine how sexual behavior is manifest. How organization-activation was or was not considered among different groups and under which circumstances it is considered is basically understood from the research and comments of different investigators and clinicians. The preponderance of evidence seems to indicate that the theory of organization-activation for the development of sexual behavior is certain for non-human mammals and almost certain for humans.
Clinical Implications of the Organizational and Activational Effects of Hormones M.Diamond Hormones and Behavior 55 (2009) 621–632
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2009-clinical-implications-hormones.html
How much of your psychology is rooted in innate brain structure? At an informed guess, most. The Gender Identity, certainly. You know you're female, as does Claire, as do I, despite evidence existing to the contrary. In your case "male typical" behaviour, in my case too to a lesser extent, in Claire's case and mine too the whole "MAAB" thing. Your "male typical" behaviour is very similar to women with CAH - I have CAH BTW, just not the usual kind.( 95% of CAH is caused by 21H, 5% by 11B, <1% by all other causes (3BHSD,17AH,Lipoid). I have 3BHSD)
How do we "know" what sex we are? This paper explains it:
A theory of gender development is presented that incorporates early biological factors that organize predispositions in temperament and attitudes. With activation of these factors a person interacts in society and comes to identify as male or female. The predispositions establish preferences and aversions the growing child compares with those of others. All individuals compare themselves with others deciding who they are like (same) and with whom are they different. These experiences and interpretations can then be said to determine how one comes to identify as male or female, man or woman. In retrospect, one can say the person has a gendered brain since it is the brain that structures the individual’s basic personality; first with inherent tendencies then with interactions coming from experience.
Biased-Interaction Theory of Psychosexual Development: “How Does One Know if One is Male or Female?” M.Diamond Sex Roles (2006) 55:589–600 http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2006-biased-interaction.html
It's obvious though that you've already grasped the essentials, and have some idea of the complexities.
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Tl, dr due to sick in progress. :-o
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Hey, Tai, why are you upset? Dora could have been there!
...in fact, Dora still could have been there. She was invited. But that would have been wicked awkward...
EDIT BECAUSE I HAVE THE BEST TIMING EVER: Oh, dear. This could end... well. Or badly. Well badly.
On a related note, why is it people in fiction black out so easily? They call me a drunk, but I've only ever blacked out once... and the events of that night started a sequence that got me committed.
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That was quite the cute ending there. :-)
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Today's comic is TENSE! 8-)
Edit: Warning - while you were typing an alien invasion occured. You may wish to review your living conditions.
I just CAN'T catch a break...
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We are definitely being teased.
I hope Marten and Claire do not date while he's supervising her.
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Knowing Jeph, he'll probably have Marten and Claire date off-screen, just to rub it in! :evil:
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Though I imagine whatever their feelings towards each other turn out to be waking up in the morning might be slightly awkward. :-D
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We are definitely being teased.
Ohhh yeah.
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They are seriously adorable in the final panel. And they look so content, too. FWIW, this scene shouldn't really cause any awkwardness in the morning - they don't seem to be drunk enough not to remember it all.
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And the shippers punch the air.
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"I'm trolling you guys pretty hard"
Verily
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Claire is better than Padma.
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That was beautiful.
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I never consciously noticed Marten's lack of chest hair.
I want to see the reception so bad :( I hope we get an achronological strip with some of the impressions, like with Claire's dress or Marten's baby photos.
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*slow clap*
EPIC. TROLLING.
I'd even say I got RickTroll'd, 'cause I did NOT see that coming.
Bravo, Jeph. Bravo. Troll on.
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I am smiling from buttcheek to buttcheek right now.
I am also hurting on my face because of that, which is the only reason why there are little tears in my eyes... really.
This is an odd place for the character dynamics, though. Somewhere between "staying great friendship always on the brink of being perceived as romantic setup" and "becoming romantic relationship that always appears to maintain an optional out"... something irks me and I hope Jeph manages to keep this magical thing going a while longer before it goes haywire in one direction or the other. °O
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It's like. They are in a UnresolvedSexualTension situation, except neither seem to realize it. If that makes sense.
I'm afraid it doesn't.
*must restrain myself from over-analyzing Marten's eyes in second-to-last panel*
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(http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/06/16/Brai_Scan_460X276.jpg)
I must spend too much time on the internet. My first thought was:
"The pictorial menu at a zombie restaurant".
Jeph is indeed a terrible, terrible tease.
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On a related note, why is it people in fiction black out so easily? They call me a drunk, but I've only ever blacked out once... and the events of that night started a sequence that got me committed.
I don't think that was blacking out from drunkenness, I think that was passing out from exhaustion.
Also...
DAMN YOU, JACQUES!
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We are definitely being teased.
You're just now figuring this out?
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Careful... you see I met someone at a new years party once.
After spending hours talking, we fell asleep next to each other like that. It was... comfy.
We've just celebrated our 32nd wedding anniversary.
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On a related note, why is it people in fiction black out so easily? They call me a drunk, but I've only ever blacked out once... and the events of that night started a sequence that got me committed.
I don't think that was blacking out from drunkenness, I think that was passing out from exhaustion.
I think that was... falling asleep...
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I'm getting the feeling of back-to-back callbacks. Dora has used that distraction technique before (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1147), and I got a definite Hanners and Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1768) vibe from today's strip.
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He's really rocking the last panel swerve this week.
My questions are, how much do both of them move while sleeping, and is the door locked?
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It's like. They are in a UnresolvedSexualTension situation, except neither seem to realize it. If that makes sense.
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Actually, that does make a lot of sense... and is a much simpler way to get across the gist I was going for.
And if you want to analyze something, analyze that Claire curdled up towards Marten. That can mean one, both or neither of two things. °O
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I got nothing to really add. That is simply a beautiful end to the week...
Which means that the Awkward Zone is going to be in overdrive next week. EMERGENCY FANCY CLOTHES AND HATS! STAT!
Still, awesome work Jeph. You magnificent bastard.
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Yep. We've been trolled hardcore.
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Marten didn't even get a chance to say "Oh, pass out and drool on my shoulder. That's exactly what I was hoping for."
:evil:
But really, nice trolling Jeph. I always go "Uh-oh..." whenever Jeph says anything after posting the strip like "Muahahahahaha" or "Oh god, what have I done?" :P
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Seems she is comfortable enough with Marten to change with bathroom door open, especially if there's a possibility of a reflection visible from the small bathroom mirror .
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Thank you for trolling, please continue.
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Trolling aside, it was quite sweet.
And true-to-life.
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Seems she is comfortable enough with Marten to change with bathroom door open, especially if there's a possibility of a reflection visible from the small bathroom mirror .
Or the fact that she's somewhere between buzzed and drunk means she wasn't really thinking about it and was just going.
Man, the way I was scrolling the comic, I got down to panel 6 and wasn't able to see panel 7, so my eyes were like :-o until I hit the last panel. Well done, Jeph!
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I am trolling you guys pretty hard
Lil' bit, yeah. It's ok, though. Marten must be drunk/tired, though, those don't look like comfortable sleeping clothes!
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Trolled so hard that I actually followed this link, registered, waited for the registration email and came back just to say Bravo, Sir.
Bra. Vo.
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Welcome, TRB. You came for the trolling, hopefully you stay for the, uh... :psyduck:
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I burst out laughing when I saw the second panel because it was obvious where it was going. By the time that subsided, I read "I am trolling you guys pretty hard" and just started laughing again.
Yeah, I'm breaking my self-imposed vacation from the forums just to post about this. So sue me. :roll:
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Welcome, TRB. You came for the trolling, hopefully you stay for the, uh... :psyduck:
Well said, well said.
I'd suggest "for the obsessive over-analyzis of comic minutiae".
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Haven't logged into this forum in a long time... people are really shipping Martin and Claire? You guys realize she has a penis, right? I don't think Martin has previously expressed any interest in another male's sexual anatomy before... having Martin end up bisexual would be kind of unexpected at this point, although I suppose it's possible it's something he's repressed for a long time. I dunno.
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I think I remember Jeph once said he wouldn't do the Two People Wake Up In Bed And It Looks Like Sexy Things Happened But They Don't Remember gag. [citation needed]
Although he is being hilariously cruel right now. I really like how Claire and Marten look in the last two panels. Very content, indeed.
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NO dammit troll FAIL.
A TRUE troll would've just signed off 'see you Monday' and had the forums explode in speculation and shipping. The mods would've had to step in every three posts, banning people left and right. Rampant debates over what the second-to-last panel "means". Glorious chaos!
The comment about 'i'm trolling you guys hard' just deflates all the potential brouhaha.
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Haven't logged into this forum in a long time... people are really shipping Martin and Claire? You guys realize she has a penis, right? I don't think Martin has previously expressed any interest in another male's sexual anatomy before... having Martin end up bisexual would be kind of unexpected at this point, although I suppose it's possible it's something he's repressed for a long time. I dunno.
Please read upthread. And all the other threads involved. This has been thoroughly discussed, and the conclusion is that a) we don't know what she may or may not have, and b) it's rude to speculate.
Regardless, love can spring up in the oddest places. And people grow and change, especially in this comic (and even more so in real life).
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... You guys realize she has a penis, right? ... another male's sexual anatomy ... end up bisexual ...
It might be prudent for you to read the threads down in the Discuss! section on how to speak to and about trans people.
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Haven't logged into this forum in a long time... people are really shipping Martin and Claire? You guys realize she has a penis, right?
Nope. We realise she was almost certainly * born looking that way, of course. She was also born looking rather smaller. That we can be certain of.
* - not every trans woman was. The vast majority yes, but you can't just assume that. Similarly, she may have had genital reconstruction, or may not. That's her business.
You may want to look at these threads:
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28499.0.html
To prepare you by expanding your mind, to show just how complex things are...
http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-guevedoces.html
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You've missed a lot in your absence, including several people explaining in depth why what you just said is horribly inappropriate. You can find it yourself, it's on previous WCDTs and a thread in DISCUSS, but it boils down to "Claire is a woman and it's quite disrespectful, if not downright insulting, to say otherwise. Speculation on what is under her pants is also inappropriate."
Edit: Didn't see the new page and a few people already saying it better.
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I think I remember Jeph once said he wouldn't do the Two People Wake Up In Bed And It Looks Like Sexy Things Happened But They Don't Remember gag. [citation needed]
Not exactly that, but there were comics 1611 http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1611 and 1612 http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1612 . They were pretty dang close to that.
Also, lurker status removed!
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Holy crap, I was all like...."Yes this is going to happen and it's going to be awesome!" and then I was all like, "Jeph, you're a culero, but that was still awesome."
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NO dammit troll FAIL.
A TRUE troll would've just signed off 'see you Monday' and had the forums explode in speculation and shipping. The mods would've had to step in every three posts, banning people left and right. Rampant debates over what the second-to-last panel "means". Glorious chaos!
The comment about 'i'm trolling you guys hard' just deflates all the potential brouhaha.
Didn't stop Technetium.
The truly successful troll is one that can still be successful even when everyone knows it. Not admitting it is Easy Mode.
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I think I've figured out WHY I'm shipping this so hard.
The Marten/Claire dynamic has become a healthy version of the Marten/Faye dynamic. The snark is there for sure (the "nice one, Cicero" quote shows that), but without the violence or the sexual tension being used against Marten (and I know, Faye wouldn't have done that to Marten if she didn't have crippling anxieties, which she's now working through, but the fact is, the dynamic wasn't healthy at the time, because of that). Oh, and Claire actually knows when to turn the snark off, and be nice to Marten without a side of snark, unlike Faye at times (like this strip - Faye pre-500 would've given a backhanded insult instead, or maybe even a backhanded compliment). And, unlike Faye pre-500, Claire seems to actually be reasonably mentally healthy, and happy with the direction of her life - and, unlike Faye, extremely motivated to pursue her dream career, whereas Faye is the "underachieving peon" in the service industry, who needs significant help from Dora to even think about pursuing her dream. Claire's motivation could easily rub off on Marten, and make him less of a slacker (although that could work on a friendship level, it certainly doesn't need the ship to sail to do that). (The question is, does Marten have something equivalent to bring to the table? Else, it becomes rather one-sided, like Penelope and Wil's relationship began as.)
Mind you, there's the issue that it's unethical for Marten to date an intern that he's supervising, but Claire has clearly become a member of the main cast, and will probably stick around even after the current interns are no longer at Smif. (How long are they there, anyway? A quarter? Semester? Longer?) Speaking of which, I suspect Gabby won't stick around with the main cast - she's not really been developed at all, and Emily... Emily will probably be brought out for gag strips, just like the robots.
And, yes, there is the potential issue of sexual compatibility, regardless of what genitalia Claire has - Marten did express that his mind would be shattered if he found out that a partner was a trans woman after having sex with her (in the context of Dora), and that case would even be after having genital reassignment. As other posters have mentioned, it's not tactful to phrase that issue as, "she has a penis", though, ever - or to speculate on what genitalia she does have. If that issue ever needs to be resolved, I suspect Jeph will have Claire mention it, using far less crude terminology, in-comic (had to reword that sentence to get rid of a couple awful, and unintentional puns that would have been completely tactless). And, I don't think Jeph will even go there unless it's needed to develop the character of a potential romantic partner of Claire's, as being very accepting (partially because, he's implied that he's not going to write any events that are negative towards Claire being trans) - if the partner doesn't need that development or if she has had genital reassignment, then it'll most likely be left unsaid, and if the partner wouldn't be that accepting, Jeph wouldn't even bring the ship to a point where it matters. But unless that happens, as far as we're concerned, what's down there is none of our business.
Oh, and Jeph did do the "one person wakes up in bed and it looks like sexy things happened but she doesn't remember" gag, which nearly resulted in Marten's death. It was the resolution of the Faye puking in Marten's lap arc.
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Well, then there's this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18).
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I don't get why everyone is stressing out about Claire's private parts, or Martens compatibility with them. QC has never been about exploring sexual situations, and if Jeph were to make the two a couple, he would be sure not to expose any sexuality-specific troubles between them. They'd just be a couple, with relatively normal couple issues, until it (probably) all falls apart in emotional anguish, as is standard for Marten's life. And I'm pretty sure Jeph wouldn't decide Marten would be unable to have a relationship with Claire if he (Jeph, that is) wanted said relationship to happen.
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I don't get why everyone is stressing out about Claire's private parts, or Martens compatibility with them.
To be fair, not many are; and the discussion is at least partly to put another poster gently back on the rails.
(Edited to put in a missing bracket -Method)
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I think I remember Jeph once said he wouldn't do the Two People Wake Up In Bed And It Looks Like Sexy Things Happened But They Don't Remember gag. [citation needed]
Although he is being hilariously cruel right now. I really like how Claire and Marten look in the last two panels. Very content, indeed.
I had that feeling once at a party in a basement with a girl. Content, dreamy-eyed drunkeness. Then I descended into projectile vomiting and the worst hang-over in my life, followed by a flirt and dance with said girl, then back to friends because we made much better friends.
I'd say Jeph is trolling everyone hard. I think he very well knows how hard people are trying to push them into a romantic relationship that I just don't think makes sense and won't happen and I'd be supremely disappointing iffen it did. I think they're perfect as friends. And, quite frankly, it'd be nice for Marten to have one more girl he didn't have a history of sexual tension with (Hanners being the only 'close' friend where no sexual tension is present. And I don't consider the other interns close enough either).
Then again I just happen to like Emily's character and find her more entertaining and would rather see the hilarity of Marten ever got involved with her.
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At any rate, I'll enjoy watching the forum-goers here lose their minds and try to ship two people so smashingly drunk they just blacked out. May not even remember the "drunken stare".
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To be fair, not many are; and the discussion is at least partly to put another poster gently back on the rails.
I know, but it's still kind of unpleasant, and it takes a lot of attention away from discussing what's actually happening in the comic. Oh, never mind, I just wanted to vent some steam.
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Almost forgot, Jeph did also do the "it looks like sexy things happened but he doesn't remember" - Faye trolling a hungover Henry, although there was no waking up in bed.
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All together now: Hurp. Derp. :laugh:
For our next shipping manifest, I demand Momo and Winslow. Moslow 4-EVAH! :evil:
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All together now: Hurp. Derp. :laugh:
For our next shipping manifest, I demand Momo and Winslow. Moslow 4-EVAH! :evil:
No no no. If we're shipping ridiculousness. Pintsize gets a humanoid chasis like Momo and gets into a three-way relationship with Momo and Winslow. Only, it's an M&S and Momo is the master. Obviously. :psyduck:
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By the way, someone posted this alternate ending to Jeph's twitter feed: http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b412/jankahl/Random/2405_zpse34a2d27.png
Don't worry, still SFW.
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I think I've figured out WHY I'm shipping this so hard.
[--snip--]
I want to upvote your post so hard.
And, quite frankly, it'd be nice for Marten to have one more girl he didn't have a history of sexual tension with (Hanners being the only 'close' friend where no sexual tension is present. And I don't consider the other interns close enough either).
Tai? Marigold, to some extent?
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By the way, someone posted this alternate ending to Jeph's twitter feed: http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b412/jankahl/Random/2405_zpse34a2d27.png
Don't worry, still SFW.
It really has been a long time hasn't it marten
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I want to upvote your post so hard.
That sounds REALLY dirty for some reason! :-D
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Very cute strip. :-)
And if you want to analyze something, analyze that Claire curdled up towards Marten.
If anything she shoulda cuddled up closer; At this rate she'll fall out of bed if she tries sleeping on her back! I suppose that could be adjusted while asleep. *Hopes for an adorable first panel on Monday*
Bra. Vo.
Also, lurker status removed!
Welcome!
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The Marten/Claire dynamic has become a healthy version of the Marten/Faye dynamic.
Wow. That is an impressive insight.
Note that it's accurate if they are forever Just Friends.
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I think I've figured out WHY I'm shipping this so hard.
[--snip--]
I want to upvote your post so hard.
And, quite frankly, it'd be nice for Marten to have one more girl he didn't have a history of sexual tension with (Hanners being the only 'close' friend where no sexual tension is present. And I don't consider the other interns close enough either).
Tai? Marigold, to some extent?
Forgot about Tai, but there is the whole "Dora" thing around Tai. And I'd say Marigold is closer to Hanners than Martin. Way closer in fact.
Still doesn't change the fact I think they make out far better as great friends. Let's face it, it would appear Marten is the first outside source she's told about her past. I think it's better for them both to have a strong relationship on a purely platonic basis than screwing everything up with romance. It would likely be Claire's 1st relationship. We know Marten's score card in that department. Abject failure. It'd be better for Claire to have a brother who's not a brother "friend". If you get what I mean.
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As for this being a healthy version of Marten/Faye...Not really seeing that. There was never anything "unhealthy" imo between those two. If Faye hadn't had her hanger-ups/trust issues stemming from her father, they'd have gotten together lickity split. Claire isn't Faye. Only similarity I can see if that BOTH Faye and Claire have entrusted heavily guarded secrets to Marten. Claire, I imagine, is the new BFF as Faye gets closer to Angus. Not a replacement.
The only thing I'd say is Claire is Faye without any sexual tension or romantic attraction.
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Forgot about Tai, but there is the whole "Dora" thing around Tai. And I'd say Marigold is closer to Hanners than Martin. Way closer in fact.
I, on the other hand, completely forgot about Dora now dating Tai, so there's that.
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Nice comic!
I would really like a close friendship between Marten and Claire; I think that would be the best. No real "relationship" relationship, only a good friendship, maybe even in a brother and sister way. They seem to have quite some fun together.
And I agree that Gabby doesn't feel like "main cast". Emily on the other hand … maybe. She even hosted a party for the regular circle, and said she was friends with them, her only friends. Leaving her would feel awkward. But now that I'm slowly getting used to the waiting between comics I feel like there are already so many recurring characters, that it might be hard to implement another one. There is only a limited number of characters who fit into one panel.
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Did anyone else initially read Claire's Out-of-panel comment as "I didn't even know you could do that WITH a horse!"?... No?....
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>.> Neither did I.
I also initially considered the circus we must have missed out on to be the aspect of trolling Jeph was referring to. It is VERY obvious I'm not quite awake right now.
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Ah, I see the latest edition of Troll Hard: Troll Harder is up.
Honestly though that was the BEST result. Very adorable.
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My initial reaction was "WHAT did Veronica do on the horse?"
Also "Did Aunt Jane get pictures?" But we all know the answer to that one.
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Did anyone else initially read Claire's Out-of-panel comment as "I didn't even know you could do that WITH a horse!"?... No?....
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/AndalusMan/Misc/withahorse_zps16fc2fe5.png)
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The horse's expression does appear to be rather pained.
Or perhaps s/he can't believe what Aunt Jane just whispered.
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The horse's expression does appear to be rather pained.
Or perhaps s/he can't believe what Aunt Jane just whispered.
Horse looked rather perturbed at being in a wedding. It had been looking forward to the Kentucky Derby or some such. He had a date with a black stallion. :-D
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Nay, 'twas probably just a bad pun.
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Marry, 'twas a hoarse whisper.
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Well, this was pretty much the ending I expected. As another poster said, it would have been funnier to have not had the last panel, and let the forums explode in speculation. We still have the possibility of the awkward wakeup however, depending on who moves where in their sleep, and of course the morning wood situation could, ahem, arise.
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Not gonna lie, got pretty excited reading today's comic as I adore the friendship Marten and Claire have built, and the final panel was adorable. I'm still grinning like an idiot after reading it.
Thanks for the troll Mr. Jacques.
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it would have been funnier to have not had the last panel, and let the forums explode in speculation.
The forums contain a tiny, tiny part only of the QC fanbase - a joke directed at them would be wasted effort.
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I'm fine with this. I'm going to be patient, and let this progress, because it is gonna be SO SWEET when they do hook up.
Figure this: It took 489 strips between Dora's first appearance to when she and Marten hooked up, m'kay? It's only been 202 strips since Claire's first appearance.
THERE'S STILL TIME! I keep telling myself
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JJ is just a huge tease, and he knows it. Pre 500 QC was full of these moments, especially when Faye was intoxicated.
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Keep in mind that Faye really was attracted to Marten, though.
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Who says Claire isn't? Marten is an incredibly nice, funny, stable, and possibly attractive (I am not the right person to judge) person. Until proven otherwise, everything is possible in my opinion.
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I made the argument before, that she turned bright red and could barely speak, she was so overcome with attraction, when she met an older, greyer version of Marten. (I mean, Dora used him as a benchmark for how Marten would look when he turned grey, so...)
So, she most likely finds Marten attractive.
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Knew it!
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I really hope Jeph neither takes the Faye route or the Dora route with Claire. Or worse, the Padma route.
(I hope I don't have to explain further)
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Well, we can be reasonably sure he won't take the Vicky route.
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A Faye and Marten relationship would have connected and reinforced the worst parts of both personalities: Faye's bullying and Marten's passivity.
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I made the argument before, that she turned bright red and could barely speak, she was so overcome with attraction, when she met an older, greyer version of Marten. (I mean, Dora used him as a benchmark for how Marten would look when he turned grey, so...)
So, she most likely finds Marten attractive.
Not too mention he's probably one of the few people outside her family that knows that she's trans and has been totally accepting of her, that in and of itself has probably created a strong bond she feels with him. Whether or not that turns into romantic feelings will be very interesting to find out. I'd totally be happy if they're just close in a brother/sister kind of way as I'd be really sad if a relationship got started but ended up not working out and they became more distant.
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Jeph has made comics that appeared to be targeted at the forums before, such as shooting down rumors about Hannelore and Marigold.
My initial reaction was "WHAT did Veronica do on the horse?"
I distinctly recall positing that Veronica's response to the horse was recognition, but no one bit.
Marry, 'twas a hoarse whisper.
and of course the morning wood situation could, ahem, arise.
Oh, you!
My questions are, how much do both of them move while sleeping, and is the door locked?
People have touched on the first question, but what about the second? Most hotels I've been to had doors that auto locked, but this is a bed and breakfast, it may have a regular lock.
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I made the argument before, that she turned bright red and could barely speak, she was so overcome with attraction, when she met an older, greyer version of Marten. (I mean, Dora used him as a benchmark for how Marten would look when he turned grey, so...)
So, she most likely finds Marten attractive.
Or she will in 30 years time... :roll:
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I'd totally be happy if they're just close in a brother/sister kind of way as I'd be really sad if a relationship got started but ended up not working out and they became more distant.
This is kind of how I feel. As much as I would love for their relationship to grow closer, I would hate for them to fall apart because it didn't work out.
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A point I'd like to raise: Claire may very well find Marten attractive, but that doesn't necessarily means she's interested in him romantically. It's possible that she believes that she's not ready for a romantic relationship. It's possible that she views Marten more as a close friend than as a potential romantic partner. It's possible that she doesn't think it's advisable to get involved with someone she works with. Shoot, given her reaction to Henry, it's even possible that she prefers older men and considers Marten to be too young. (Though if that's the case, my advice to her would be that it's a problem that will solve itself with time.)
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My bet, there's spooning involved and Claire is the big spoon! :)
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My bet, there's spooning involved and Claire is the big spoon! :)
She is smaller than Marten. Small people don't get to be big spoons. They get to be jetpacks :-D
*hide-and-cover*
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I think Jeph is definitely enjoying himself.
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I really hope Jeph neither takes the Faye route or the Dora route with Claire. Or worse, the Padma route.
(I hope I don't have to explain further)
Don't get me wrong. I like Padma, but she was a flake. Just bounced on Marten with no warning.
However, I knew Claire was something special from the start. Almost dethrones Hannelore as my favorite QC character (who admittedly hasn't been doing much lately).
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My bet: any suggestiveness/awkwardness is entirely in other people's heads, not Marten and Claire's, and the next strip is a blurgh-I'm-so-hung-over one with references to Claire's new relationship with scotch.
They do have one heck of a hangover coming--think how drunk they must be to pass out in the middle of a conversation, on top of the bedspread, and Marten still in his dress shirt.
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Screw the shipping troll, I wanna know what the fuck Marten did with a horse.
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Marten and Claire strikes me as the sort of relationship that would work out great in real life, but not so good for storytelling drama. They both mesh together personality-wise (but with enough minor conflict to not get boring or door-matty) to the point where I could see them getting married and growing old together, but if that's not going to happen in the comic I'd rather see them just be BFFs.
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I don't think that was blacking out from drunkenness, I think that was passing out from exhaustion.
Black out, not pass out. As in not being sure what happened the previous night.
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OH COME ON JEPH
GAAHHHHHHHHHHH
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Oh Jeph. You just had to leave it at that *sigh* I think those two make great friends, I could even see them as a couple easily, all things considered. But now I'm all like "omgomgomgomg where's it going???" Always leaving the cliffhangers on the week's end, blah. Damn you for being such a king of trolls Jeph, and making it look good while you're at it! :?
And those damn scotch Savants. I still look like Claire on her first go around every time I drink good scotch..
Whaaaaat happened on the horse??? MUST know!
...mew.
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Screw the shipping troll, I wanna know what the fuck Marten did with a horse.
Marten didn't do anything with a horse, the 'you' does not refer to him.
It was likely his mom. :evil:
My bet: any suggestiveness/awkwardness is entirely in other people's heads, not Marten and Claire's, and the next strip is a blurgh-I'm-so-hung-over one with references to Claire's new relationship with scotch.
They do have one heck of a hangover coming--think how drunk they must be to pass out in the middle of a conversation, on top of the bedspread, and Marten still in his dress shirt.
Aside from the bubbles, they're speaking clearly and grammatically. They're just tired from all the shenanigans they recounted.
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It's a pity Marten's an only child. He seems like a great big brother.
If Claire is putting relationship-hunting on hold during transition, wouldn't that be a common pattern?
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I don't see how this is trolling -- I've had a couple evenings end this way.
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Don't get me wrong. I like Padma, but she was a flake. Just bounced on Marten with no warning.
I think he had plenty of warning, I just don't think he realized his last chance to hang out with her was actually his last chance to hang out with her until it was too late to possibly make it not so.
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[CharltonHestonVoice] Damn you Jeph Jacques, damn you straight to hell!!!! [/CharltonHestonVoice]
Best Cliffhanger ever!
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No no no. If we're shipping ridiculousness. Pintsize gets a humanoid chasis like Momo and gets into a three-way relationship with Momo and Winslow. Only, it's an M&S and Momo is the master. Obviously. :psyduck:
Oh no! No, no, no, no, NO! The very last thing I want to see in the pages of QC is someone who looks like Momo's current chassis in S&M garb.
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If Claire is putting relationship-hunting on hold during transition, wouldn't that be a common pattern?
I don't know for certain, but I don't think it's all that common. Where transition "ends" varies from person to person, and it can take many years and many thousands of dollars. Lots of people don't want to go without romance for so long.
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Whaaaaat happened on the horse??? MUST know!
You know that stunt where Eval Kneival rides a motorcycle over a dozen flaming schoolbuses? It was like that, only gay.
*Ba-dum psshh*
The horse was not harmed, as it's Veronica's horse anyway, and she needed him for work afterward. :mrgreen:
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Aside from the bubbles, they're speaking clearly and grammatically. They're just tired from all the shenanigans they recounted.
Logged in to agree with this - we've seen LOTS of examples of "blackout drunk" over the comic's run, and I really don't feel like this is one of them. They're buzzed, but pretty far from plowed, and I think nodding off on the bed while chatting like that feels pretty natural. The wedding and reception appears to have been an all-day affair, since we saw it start with breakfast and now it's bedtime; I expect they're both exhausted. Also, I'd hazard that while getting plastered before or after happens plenty of times, getting that drunk at the actual reception is a lot less common, and I expect Marten and Claire are adult enough to pace themselves for the occasion.
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getting that drunk at the actual reception is a lot less common
Wait, really? At all the weddings I've been to, the reception (which started right after the ceremony) is when the drinking started.
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No no no. If we're shipping ridiculousness. Pintsize gets a humanoid chasis like Momo and gets into a three-way relationship with Momo and Winslow. Only, it's an M&S and Momo is the master. Obviously. :psyduck:
Oh no! No, no, no, no, NO! The very last thing I want to see in the pages of QC is someone who looks like Momo's current chassis in S&M garb.
Great, now I have the image of Veronica Vance having some Momo-esque AnthroPC gimp locked up in her dungeon.
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ONOES, CLAIRE FELL ASLEEP IN HER CONTACTS!!!
Oh, wait, she must have taken them off in the bathroom. Nevermind. :roll:
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Whaaaaat happened on the horse??? MUST know!
You know that stunt where Eval Kneival rides a motorcycle over a dozen flaming schoolbuses? It was like that, only gay.
*Ba-dum psshh*
The horse was not harmed, as it's Veronica's horse anyway, and she needed him for work afterward. :mrgreen:
It's an EquestroPC, and half the stunts were its idea anyway.
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it would have been funnier to have not had the last panel, and let the forums explode in speculation.
The forums contain a tiny, tiny part only of the QC fanbase - a joke directed at them would be wasted effort.
Yeah, but did the rest of his fanbase do THIS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2316)?
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Yeah, but did the rest of his fanbase do THIS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2316)?
As far as fanbases go, we are canon. The rest are fan-based. :mrgreen:
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Great, now I have the image of Veronica Vance having some Momo-esque AnthroPC gimp locked up in her dungeon.
Nice callback (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=447#)
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Yeah, but did the rest of his fanbase do THIS (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2316)?
As far as fanbases go, we are canon. The rest are fan-based. :mrgreen:
Man, I still regret not being a part of that.
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Whaaaaat happened on the horse??? MUST know!
You know that stunt where Eval Kneival rides a motorcycle over a dozen flaming schoolbuses? It was like that, only gay.
*Ba-dum psshh*
The horse was not harmed, as it's Veronica's horse anyway, and she needed him for work afterward. :mrgreen:
It's an EquestroPC, and half the stunts were its idea anyway.
*slow clap*
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All of which lends new meaning to "...and the horse you rode in on"
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getting that drunk at the actual reception is a lot less common
Wait, really? At all the weddings I've been to, the reception (which started right after the ceremony) is when the drinking started.
Oh, most definitely! I'm Catholic, I go to like four or five weddings a year and am in at least one of them; every single one has multiple kegs and a wine bar (sometimes the hard stuff, too) - we party at our receptions! However, there's a difference between celebrating with other adults and tasty beverages and getting blackout drunk, which is what several people believe Marten and Claire did. I'm personally of the opinion that it's in poor taste to get totally smashed at a wedding reception - it's just not the same kind of venue as a bar. But that's me personally.
Keep in mind that this is from a guy who (as the best man) has danced with the groom with a beer mug in one hand (everyone thought it was hilarious). I also make it a point to carry a flask of good whiskey in my inner jacket pocket and encourage the groom and all other groomsmen to take a small swig before the ceremony as a gesture of solidarity and for good luck (and to take the edge off a nervous groom).
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It was nice to end this week's worth of strips with such an obscene amount of cuteness. :)
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I wonder what'll happen when they both wake up in the same bed or if Jeph will choose to avoid that scene altogether.
On another note, with me being new in this forum... How do we address our omnipresent creator? Jeph? Mr. Jacques? Hephzibah?
edit: Wow, I have no idea how Jephmaster got autocorrected to Hephzibah.
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"His Eminence" is the proper form of address I believe...
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This came up once a long time ago. Jeph said that "Jeph" was reasonable given that it's his username here.
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I wonder what'll happen when they both wake up in the same bed or if Jeph will choose to avoid that scene altogether.
On another note, with me being new in this forum... How do we address our omnipresent creator? Jeph? Mr. Jacques? Hephzibah?
edit: Wow, I have no idea how Jephmaster got autocorrected to Hephzibah.
What browser has autocorrect?
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Great, now I have the image of Veronica Vance having some Momo-esque AnthroPC gimp locked up in her dungeon.
Nice callback (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=447#)
I said Momo, not Pintsize. But goddamn, a certain function would be up Vance's way..... (http://questionablecontent.net/1298)
What browser has autocorrect?
Firefox.
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Well, if we are going to be nitpicky, Firefox has an auto-"you might have done this wrong"-curly-underline. It doesn't correct your text automatically.
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Well, if we are going to be nitpicky, Firefox has an auto-"you might have done this wrong"-curly-underline. It doesn't correct your text automatically.
Yes, it has spell check that lets you know there might be a problem. It doesn't have autocorrect that changes it for you.
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However, I knew Claire was something special from the start. Almost dethrones Hannelore as my favorite QC character (who admittedly hasn't been doing much lately).
Why do people like Claire so much? She is so petty and mean. One of the least likeable characters in the comic. The least likeable, I think.
I can not find the strip I am thinking of. For some reason the search engine finds nothing when I search for "necrosis" or "firework accident". But it is the one where she sees that Clinton is about to enjoy a moment in the spotlight, and she rushes in to ruin it. She nows how much is wexes him, and that is just why she does it.
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What browser has autocorrect?
He might be forum-ing on a phone/tablet? Just a thought, as both of those tend to autocorrect even in browsers.
Also on the Claire/Marten thing, even though I think they would be *ohmygosh soooo cute* as a couple, I kinda hope they don't get together. I think they'd make for a great best friend duo, that would still lend itself to a lot of cute moments without being relationship-y. It would just suck to see it end in a pile of drama, and I'm not getting the 'ready to settle down with one person' vibe from Marten or the comic, so it would inevitably end. Probably.
On another note, since I read through ALL the comics last week, this is the first weekend I've had to sit through waiting for a comic, and it is torture.
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But it is the one where she sees that Clinton is about to enjoy a moment in the spotlight, and she rushes in to ruin it.
That might just be a sibling thing though. There might be a lot of tension in their relationship that we don't know about, even though we did see a sweet brother moment when she came out to Marten. I can't remember which one of them is younger, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if she's youngest she might be used to him getting the spotlight, which could cause her to want to steal it from him. I certainly remember having a lot of moments like that with my brother, but it doesn't mean either of us are petty or mean.
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She's 24, Clinton is 21, IIRC.
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Okay, I thought people were joking about the autocorrect thing. I assume the forum has some filtering built in, as do most. It is commonly set up for purposes of filtering swearing or spam, but also frquently used for humorous purposes .
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Why do people like Claire so much? She is so petty and mean. One of the least likeable characters in the comic. The least likeable, I think.
I can not find the strip I am thinking of. For some reason the search engine finds nothing when I search for "necrosis" or "firework accident". But it is the one where she sees that Clinton is about to enjoy a moment in the spotlight, and she rushes in to ruin it. She knows how much it vexes him, and that is just why she does it.
Here it is. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2305) It only happened because Jeph wanted to do a comic about jacking off, apparently; regardless, she did it to be humorous. She just isn't very socially adept, and is rather prickly and defensive, but that's part of her charm. I think interest really picked up after The Reveal (transsexual edition) and she softened to Marten and stopped being prickly to him specifically.
Plus, they're siblings. They do that kind of thing.
On another note, since I read through ALL the comics last week, this is the first weekend I've had to sit through waiting for a comic, and it is torture.
I remember when I did that, though when I caught up Hannelore was in a thought spot fugue, so nothing plot relevant was going on.
Okay, I thought people were joking about the autocorrect thing. I assume the forum has some filtering built in, as do most. It is commonly set up for purposes of filtering swearing or spam, but also frequently used for humorous purposes .
This is a test: Jephmaster.
Nope, not in this case.
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I believe in some browsers, Mac OS X will autocorrect, as well.
(I turned system-wide autocorrect off as the first thing I did, when I got this Mac.)
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I believe in some browsers, Mac OS X will autocorrect, as well.
(I turned system-wide autocorrect off as the first thing I did, when I got this Mac.)
Must resist... prickly comments... about Apple...
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Why do people like Claire so much? She is so petty and mean. One of the least likeable characters in the comic. The least likeable, I think.
I can not find the strip I am thinking of. For some reason the search engine finds nothing when I search for "necrosis" or "firework accident". But it is the one where she sees that Clinton is about to enjoy a moment in the spotlight, and she rushes in to ruin it. She knows how much it vexes him, and that is just why she does it.
Here it is. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2305) It only happened because Jeph wanted to do a comic about jacking off, apparently; regardless, she did it to be humorous. She just isn't very socially adept, and is rather prickly and defensive, but that's part of her charm. I think interest really picked up after The Reveal (transsexual edition) and she softened to Marten and stopped being prickly to him specifically.
Plus, they're siblings. They do that kind of thing.
Also relevant. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2327)
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I assume the forum has some filtering built in, as do most. It is commonly set up for purposes of filtering swearing or spam, but also frequently used for humorous purposes.
There were some such when I became admin, but the only word filter I have left in place is on the name of a file-sharing site used in the BAND section.
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I assume the forum has some filtering built in, as do most. It is commonly set up for purposes of filtering swearing or spam, but also frequently used for humorous purposes.
There were some such when I became admin, but the only word filter I have left in place is on the name of a file-sharing site used in the BAND section.
I thought I had something to say to that, but then I started squeeing over glowy Ayato Kamina from the penultimate episode of RahXephon, which reloaded into Naota from the manga version of FLCL. I've noticed Naota before, but haven't really looked at it otherwise. How many images does your profile image have, and how did you set that up?
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My guess is that he's using a PHP (or some such language) script containing something like
<?php
//Tell the browser (or other HTTP-receiving application) to expect a PNG image
header('Content-Type: image/png');
//Create a folder handler
$folder = opendir("path/to/images");
//Get all the filenames, plus an empty entry in the array because of the way I've written this
while($images[] = readdir()){}
//Remove the empty entry
array_pop($images);
//Get a random file name from that folder
$filename = $images[array_rand($images)];
//Inters the contents of the image intoto the data to be returned
echo file_get_contents("path/to/images/" . $filename);
//Stop execution
exit;
?>
I haven't tested this, so there's probably a bug or six, but it's how I'd do it.
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My guess is that he's using a PHP (or some such language) script containing something like
<?php
[...]
//Get all the filenames, plus an empty entry in the array because of the way I've written this
while($images[] = readdir()){}
[...]
?>
Is that construct really valid? I wouldn't have expected it to work in the way intended. I mean, I get what you are trying to do; still looks weird to me to fill an array like this. Maybe because you forgot to pass the $folder handle to readdir :wink:
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If you don't specify a handle, readdir() will use the last one opened.
I'm pretty sure that construct is valid. I know that using
<?php
while($dataset[] = mysql_fetch_assoc($mysql_resource)){}
?>
works, so it should work here too.
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I know Jeph was worried about getting a transgender character right, but in the last comic when Marten and Claire are looking into each others eyes, my first thought was "Despite the trolling, if these two ever got together the potential children would have pretty eyes no matter what- oh. right. I forgot. I am an idiot." That's a win for Jeph I think, being able to make me forget a character's origin and look at how they are now. From the very few trans friends I have that seems like the goal and the entire point. Well done, JJ.
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I thought I had something to say to that, but then I started squeeing over glowy Ayato Kamina from the penultimate episode of RahXephon, which reloaded into Naota from the manga version of FLCL. I've noticed Naota before, but haven't really looked at it otherwise. How many images does your profile image have, and how did you set that up?
About 250 images, chosen from randomly by a rewrite function in Apache - see here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25295.msg975216.html#msg975216).
(Actually, since then I've made it a two-stage lookup, to get over a bug when the lines in the file listing the images get too long - it still fits in two lines, though.)
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Didn't know I would spark such a mystery. I'm surfing on my phone, a Lumia 920. I was just a bit weirded out, since this is the first time I've had an autocorrect mistake.
What's a Hephzibah?
And I'll call him Jeph then.
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Didn't know I would spark such a mystery. I'm surfing on my phone, a Lumia 920. I was just a bit weirded out, since this is the first time I've had an autocorrect mistake.
What's a Hephzibah?
And I'll call him Jeph then.
Aha, called it! I surf reddit on my phone a lot and it always autocorrects me and drives me crazy. Also, Google says a Hephzibah is a city in Georgia, and also a name meaning "my delight is in her" in Hebrew.
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I shall refer to him as Jephzibah from now on, then.
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Hepzibah is also a minor character in the Marvel comics universe, usually in the X-Men books. She's a humanoid skunk woman space pirate.
Edit: Didn't notice the extra "h" in there. Wikipedia still took me to a page that mentioned the previous definitions though.
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and also a name meaning "my delight is in her" in Hebrew.
So your nickname for it is "delight"? :parrot:
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I wouldn't refer to Jeph as "it" but you still made me crackle with laughter.
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If Claire is putting relationship-hunting on hold during transition, wouldn't that be a common pattern?
+1 Insightful
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That's a win for Jeph I think, being able to make me forget a character's origin and look at how they are now. From the very few trans friends I have that seems like the goal and the entire point. Well done, JJ.
Yes. Yes to all. Jeph could not have done it better.
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There is one hurdle though.
The logic of Narrative Necessity.
Would QC be QC if Marten got into a stable "and they all lived happily ever after" situation? Would QC be able to carry on with its emotional dramas if the main character essentially bowed out from the emotional melodrama? I think it would, but it would be a catastrophic (as in sudden discontinuity) change of direction.
I would like to see Marten actually win first prize, after all the poor guy's been through over the years. For that matter, I'd like to see all the characters eventually win big. Hanners healed, Marigold out of her shell... but unless new characters are introduced, that would be the end of QC.
Some Soap Operas manage it. The departure of Ena Sharples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ena_Sharples) did not mean the death of "Coronation Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_Street)" though it was never the same again.
BTW one of the few series older than "Dr Who"...
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About 250 images, chosen from randomly by a rewrite function in Apache - see here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25295.msg975216.html#msg975216).
(Actually, since then I've made it a two-stage lookup, to get over a bug when the lines in the file listing the images get too long - it still fits in two lines, though.)
I am more concerned about the "coprophage". Is that for shock effect, or is there a deeper meaning?
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It's a post count-based title. Anyone with 7000-7999 posts has it. 8000-9999 is "Mayan calendar conspirator" and 10000+ is "DICKFISH". There may or may not be higher levels, I'm not sure.
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There is one hurdle though.
The logic of Narrative Necessity.
Would QC be QC if Marten got into a stable "and they all lived happily ever after" situation? Would QC be able to carry on with its emotional dramas if the main character essentially bowed out from the emotional melodrama? I think it would, but it would be a catastrophic (as in sudden discontinuity) change of direction.
I would like to see Marten actually win first prize, after all the poor guy's been through over the years. For that matter, I'd like to see all the characters eventually win big. Hanners healed, Marigold out of her shell... but unless new characters are introduced, that would be the end of QC.
Some Soap Operas manage it. The departure of Ena Sharples (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ena_Sharples) did not mean the death of "Coronation Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_Street)" though it was never the same again.
BTW one of the few series older than "Dr Who"...
This has happened once before with Dora. To show the passage of time we see her try to grow her hair out without dying it. So we skipped about a year of Martens's life to see the "juicy parts." It was the same for Wil and his American Tour but he and Penelope fell off the earth after their happy ending.
We may see the end of QC but I think Jeph has a lot of story still to tell and I can't see him starting a new project.
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It's a post count-based title. Anyone with 7000-7999 posts has it. 8000-9999 is "Mayan calendar conspirator" and 10000+ is "DICKFISH". There may or may not be higher levels, I'm not sure.
If I were admin, I'd make anyone with 1,000,000 posts "Jeph", but have it hidden so nobody knew until they reached it (which I'm pretty sure would never happen).
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Hepzibah is also a minor character in the Marvel comics universe, usually in the X-Men books. She's a humanoid skunk woman space pirate.
If I recall correctly, that is not her name, and she's quite insistent about it. Corsair calls (called? It's been a long time) her that, because of her resemblance to Mam'selle Hepzibah, who was Pogo's lady friend in (of course) "Pogo".
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The post count titles were in place before I was admin. I've changed just three or four. Coprophage is not one I thought up. Dickfish is the top level; they are all listed in the wiki, which I think has them up to date.
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Epic trolling. I love it!
Troll on Mr Jacques, troll on... :-D
Still doesn't change the fact I think they make out far better as great friends. Let's face it, it would appear Marten is the first outside source she's told about her past. I think it's better for them both to have a strong relationship on a purely platonic basis than screwing everything up with romance...
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The only thing I'd say is Claire is Faye without any sexual tension or romantic attraction.
I agree. They're comfortable together because they don't have that sexual tension - we've seen how awkward Claire gets around guys she finds attractive. I also agree with whoever said they were getting a Hanners and Sven (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1768) vibe from this comic - it reminded me of that too.
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My prediction: (probably wrong)
Marten wakes up to find they are sort of snuggling together. While he's still half asleep - "whuh? buh? what?" - Claire talks in her sleep something about Henry (or possibly Steve) "Oh Henry you so fine... you so fine you blow my mind..."
Not those exact words obviously.
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Would QC be QC if Marten got into a stable "and they all lived happily ever after" situation? Would QC be able to carry on with its emotional dramas if the main character essentially bowed out from the emotional melodrama? I think it would, but it would be a catastrophic (as in sudden discontinuity) change of direction.
I would like to see Marten actually win first prize, after all the poor guy's been through over the years. For that matter, I'd like to see all the characters eventually win big. Hanners healed, Marigold out of her shell... but unless new characters are introduced, that would be the end of QC.
The outcome would depend on exactly how well Jephzibah could write it. I have faith in his abilities, and based on his previous track record, I'd have to say he could probably write whatever he pleased and make it still just as amazing/loveable/funny as always. I personally agree that it would be nice if the main cast could all have resolutions to their respective issues.. but then, as you noted, I do believe it would drastically change the general feel of the comic.
Also, in most situations, even with the best possible match for a person (character..) relationship wise, there could/would be some type of drama still involved, I'm sure. I'm not personally aware of any couple that's absolutely "perfect" in that there's absolutely no disagreement and both are perfectly content with everything.. although my experience is limited to just that: my experience. This in and of itself, regardless of whom Martin eventually pairs with, could still lead to hilarity, sadness, both, or anything in between.
As for the other characters, I love their quirks, and I think that even if they were able to work out those issues to a more level mental/emotional balance, those quirks would still be present in at least a diminished fashion of some sort (And, at this point in comic time, I do believe that is somewhat the case).
I thought Dora and Martin were just the most cutest and fitting couple, and then alla sudden, explosions of nuclear proportion mixed with tears and yelling "WHY JEPH WHY!?!?!". But thaaaat's QC for ya!
I am trolling you guys pretty hard
-hugs the troll-
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About 250 images, chosen from randomly by a rewrite function in Apache - see here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25295.msg975216.html#msg975216).
(Actually, since then I've made it a two-stage lookup, to get over a bug when the lines in the file listing the images get too long - it still fits in two lines, though.)
I see, thanks. I may never try it, but the process is interesting.
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If Marten were ever to get into a stable, long term 'Happy Ever After' relationship, the entire QC Universe would collapse in a puff of unsmoke.
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If Marten were ever to get into a stable, long term 'Happy Ever After' relationship, the entire QC Universe would collapse in a puff of unsmoke.
It's like his relationship with Dora never happened.
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I just gotta say; sleepy-time Claire is adorable. Like a lil' fluffy kitten.
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If Marten were ever to get into a stable, long term 'Happy Ever After' relationship, the entire QC Universe would collapse in a puff of unsmoke.
Some say if Marten's love life ever reached a positive resolution, it would instantly vanish and be replaced by something even more inexplicable. Others say this has already happened.
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Congrats, Jeph...this is the first time since joining the forum that I have been motivated enough to change my avatar. :parrot:
Shipping? No, I'm just...uh...kayaking. Yeah, that's it. :psyduck:
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If Marten were ever to get into a stable, long term 'Happy Ever After' relationship, the entire QC Universe would collapse in a puff of unsmoke.
It's like his relationship with Dora never happened.
Ha, yeah, Marten's relationship with Dora was pretty solid at most points, and lasted about half of the entire run (including the strips since) and probably about two years in comic. Just because Marten might start another relationship doesn't mean that'll end the comic, or for that matter, that his next relationship will be his last one.
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Jeph equated stable relationship for Marten & Faye = end of QC.
So, if he wanted Marten to have a stable relationship, Faye & Angus would have to disappear.
HOWEVER, he has also said Marten will likely never have a stable LTR, so there's that.
He's still trolling us, though.
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What Jeph says is either irrelevant or a spoiler in this case...and I'd like to think that he wouldn't spoil.
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He also said he would never do a wedding arc :-P .
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When he says he'll never do something, he means he'll never do it until he does.
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I just want to see Marten happy. He seems to be with Claire, but if Marten found someone else he could be happy with, I'd be just as glad. I kinda get the feeling he isn't as happy as he used to be, because the rings under his eyes that appeared after Dora broke up with him have never truly went away.
Why does Jephzibah not like seeing his characters happy.
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Re: everyone getting their issue "fixed" thus ending QC: I don't see that happening, ever. That's one of the awesome/terrible thing about people and their issues; you never really get "fixed". Hanners' OCD is never going away, Faye is always going to have attachment issues. People can grow and change and put their pasts behind them, but those things are always going to be part of who they are. I don't think Jeph is going to run out of comics to write for a long time.
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People can grow and change and put their pasts behind them, but those things are always going to be part of who they are.
That'll do.
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I just want to see Marten happy. He seems to be with Claire, but if Marten found someone else he could be happy with, I'd be just as glad. I kinda get the feeling he isn't as happy as he used to be, because the rings under his eyes that appeared after Dora broke up with him have never truly went away.
Why does Jephzibah not like seeing his characters happy.
You need to acquaint yourself with the Jephzibah's tumblr: jephjacques.com.
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Also, so what if QC changes due to characters changing (or even becoming uninteresting, being put on a bus, and being replaced by more interesting characters)?
In the beginning, QC was a gag-a-day, with occasional plot leaking in, but nothing serious.
Now, QC is almost entirely plot-driven, with the occasional gag leaking in.
And, characters that became uninteresting (Sara is the first to come to mind) have been put on a bus - hell, that was in the gag-a-day days - and been replaced with other characters. And their replacements put on a bus, and replaced with other characters.
So, QC can survive characters getting into stable relationships.
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Jeph still tries to stick a laugh in at the end of the strip, so it's not entirely gag-absent. I mean, the most touching moment in recent memory had the punchline: "YEAH! HUG THE #### OUT OF 'IM!"
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Right, but just because many strips have punchlines doesn't mean that the whole point of the strip is to present the punchline - the point seems to be to advance the plot, and here's a punchline for the lulz.
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Actually, when it first started, it was only two or three gags a week, not a gag a day.
Until Jeph quit his job as an office bitch...
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When he says he'll never do something, he means he'll never do it until he does.
Yeah, I seem to remember him saying in the newspost for this one (very early on) strip that he was never gonna get more risque than it did there. And it was barely risque at all. I found that and posted about it, but I'm too lazy to dig through my posts and find out which one. :P
The point is that Jeph says that a lot. He is constantly breaking down his own boundaries and making new ones. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. :)
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And I don't think that Jeph's even said that he wouldn't do a Marten/Claire relationship. (Just that Marten would never be happy, and that was clearly in jest.)
Mind you, he's (in jest) tweeted in horror that he's married to a shipper. (Apparently Cristi ships Marten and Claire.)
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... He is constantly breaking down his own boundaries and making new ones ...
One of the underlying admirable qualities of this strip, I think.
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I know Jeph was worried about getting a transgender character right, but in the last comic when Marten and Claire are looking into each others eyes, my first thought was "Despite the trolling, if these two ever got together the potential children would have pretty eyes no matter what- oh. right. I forgot. I am an idiot." That's a win for Jeph I think, being able to make me forget a character's origin and look at how they are now. From the very few trans friends I have that seems like the goal and the entire point. Well done, JJ.
I feel like it may be a mistake to rule that out.
relevant-ish (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2240)
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Good call, mtmerrick.
Not that I expect to see a pregnancy arc for another decade or so. Of all the boundaries Jeph has set for himself, that one strikes me as the durable one.
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...Durex-ble?
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I know Jeph was worried about getting a transgender character right, but in the last comic when Marten and Claire are looking into each others eyes, my first thought was "Despite the trolling, if these two ever got together the potential children would have pretty eyes no matter what- oh. right. I forgot. I am an idiot." That's a win for Jeph I think, being able to make me forget a character's origin and look at how they are now. From the very few trans friends I have that seems like the goal and the entire point. Well done, JJ.
I feel like it may be a mistake to rule that out.
relevant-ish (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2240)
We are working on the technology, too.
It's easier with two females - there we have natural examples. Not many, but there are some Intersex women who have, with technical help, become biological fathers. The female reproductive system is really complex, but the male one can be 95% missing or dysfunctional and still allow the possibility.
It does cause my son some social difficulties though. He often refers to me as his aunt, not his father, except to those he trusts.
In a post-singularity world... yes, it may be possible sooner than the 2025 deadline I think we'll have here.
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Though Jeph seems to use a bit different definition of singularity than other people.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The next 25 years are gonna be freakin awesome. The amount of technological breakthroughs we are so very close to are just amazing.
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You've missed a lot in your absence, including several people explaining in depth why what you just said is horribly inappropriate. You can find it yourself, it's on previous WCDTs and a thread in DISCUSS, but it boils down to "Claire is a woman and it's quite disrespectful, if not downright insulting, to say otherwise. Speculation on what is under her pants is also inappropriate."
Is this a real post.
We're talking about a fictional character, right? I do not think I need to worry about her being offended or insulted by my comments.
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hmmm. I don't see this ending well.
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Hm ... This is now interesting again ...
At least on the romance side ...
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Mind you, he's (in jest) tweeted in horror that he's married to a shipper. (Apparently Cristi ships Marten and Claire.)
Ohhhhh no.
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You've missed a lot in your absence, including several people explaining in depth why what you just said is horribly inappropriate. You can find it yourself, it's on previous WCDTs and a thread in DISCUSS, but it boils down to "Claire is a woman and it's quite disrespectful, if not downright insulting, to say otherwise. Speculation on what is under her pants is also inappropriate."
Is this a real post.
We're talking about a fictional character, right? I do not think I need to worry about her being offended or insulted by my comments.
Just because you're talking about a fictional character doesn't mean that you can't offend real people by making assumptions about her. Just be careful in the future, ok?
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Is this a real post.
Yes. There are people who can be offended by an inappropriate attitude even when discussing a comic. You have the opportunity in this forum to learn about the issues and to practice getting it right before you find yourself causing upset in the real real world.
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For some reason I am suddenly recalling that there are a lot of sayings related to how moral fibre is displayed best when one is required to interact with those who can't respond….
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Is this a real post.
Yes. There are people who can be offended by an inappropriate attitude even when discussing a comic. You have the opportunity in this forum to learn about the issues and to practice getting it right before you find yourself causing upset in the real real world.
Alternately, those people who are offended could try to have a thicker skin. Shit son, the world is not going to mold itself to fit your insecurities. You can crack jokes about short people, hell you can call me a midget if you want, I will probably laugh right with you. There was a time when I was young and might have responded the same way you are now, but I got over being an idiot and put more attention on being awesome now. There are thousands of different things that individual people are insecure about, and to expect all of society to know how to tiptoe around your own issue among all the others is unrealistic. Learn to roll with the blows instead and you'll be a lot happier.
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You've missed a lot in your absence, including several people explaining in depth why what you just said is horribly inappropriate. You can find it yourself, it's on previous WCDTs and a thread in DISCUSS, but it boils down to "Claire is a woman and it's quite disrespectful, if not downright insulting, to say otherwise. Speculation on what is under her pants is also inappropriate."
Is this a real post.
We're talking about a fictional character, right? I do not think I need to worry about her being offended or insulted by my comments.
Everything said above has been the outcome of thoughtful discussion, but if it doesn't make sense try an analogy.
You wouldn't post speculation about whether "It" is true about Dale's downstairs equipment, even if you knew that nobody in the forum was African-American. Same principle.
Marten's content to treat her as a woman.
hell you can call me a midget if you want
And the moderators would treat it as a violation of the civility rule if someone did. It's still flamebait if nobody takes the bait.
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There was a time when I was young and might have responded the same way you are now, but I got over being an idiot and put more attention on being awesome now.
implying all of us are idiots
So what, because we're trying to be sensible about about a fictional character we on this forum all love (and the people that might identity with said character), we're being idiots and not-awesome? Right.
There's a difference to "rolling with the blow" and dealing said blows. And that being said, no one has to roll if nobody deals blows. If people tell you it's a sensitive topic for them, you try your best to be sensible about it.
And you don't run around telling people they're idiots.
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Learn to roll with the blows instead and you'll be a lot happier.
In this forum, you need to roll with us.
This is not up for discussion, so I'm closing this thread now.
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Additional moderation note:
Will everyone please direct their attention to the fact that the moderation team is unanimous about this.