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Title: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 22 Apr 2013, 09:31
So we all know this is coming out soon, but I felt that it deserved its own thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY)

looks good.  Zod looks to be the villain instead of lex luthor, which is a good idea.  Small gripe about krypton not having a red sun but w/e.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 Apr 2013, 10:00
I'm hoping it's gonna be good, since it would lead into a Justice League movie, but Superman hasn't had the greatest track record outside of cartoons lately. I don't have a lot of faith in Snyder, but Nolan has his name on it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 22 Apr 2013, 12:03
I've got a lot more hope for this one than anything not Batman they've done simply because they seem to be exploring the themes that make Superman not terrible. Superman as the Messianic figure and the very real consequences of having a god existing within society. That and he seems to be based on Golden Age Labour Supes and not Murrica Supes. Outside of stuff like Red Son and Kingdom Come, DC hasn't done much to explore these themes in the serials for a pretty damn long while.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Apr 2013, 14:05
I for one am highly excited for the Man of Steel Rises
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: mtmerrick on 22 Apr 2013, 14:59
It looks good - better than pretty much any DC movie I can think of - but still not marvel good.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 22 Apr 2013, 15:07
It's not, ah...marvellous?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Masterpiece on 22 Apr 2013, 15:12
I see a very clear distinction between the two. DC movies (or at least, the post-Nolan movies) tended to deal with themes that were very extreme and much more mature than the marvel movies ever did. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Marvel movies, but The Dark Knight is unmatched in my opinion.
Or lets put it this way, Heath Ledger is unmatched.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: mtmerrick on 22 Apr 2013, 19:04
I'm sorry, but I can't even hear "batman" anymore. My brain does this now:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/batman.png)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Apr 2013, 23:07
Hmmmm

Definitely looks worth going seeing.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 23 Apr 2013, 19:16
I'm in two minds about this.
On the one hand, it's probably going to be good.
But the other hand, I've never really liked Superman, neither the comics nor the films. For a number of reasons, and to be honest, I'd rather not get into them right now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 26 Apr 2013, 08:21
haha someone redid the trailer using superman the animated series.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 May 2013, 10:08
Red Son
I still need to read Kingdom Come, but I would be so happy if they made a movie based on Red Son.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 21 May 2013, 14:40
Conan cracks me up.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 21 May 2013, 14:51
For someone who hasn't really read any superhero comics, I'm a pretty big fan of superhero stories  :roll:

As much as I like Marvel's MCU, I find DC much more interesting. Marvel play it safe, and every movie is a pretty safe, fun blockbuster. DC seems to aim a little higher, and much more mature, which is a big plus--if it works.

Can't really remember any film I've looked forward to as much as Man of Steel, the trailers and soundtrack samples seems really promising, and if they succeed at launching a shard universe with this kind of quality and maturity, then I'm really excited for the future of superhero movies!  :-D
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 21 May 2013, 19:36
Conan cracks me up.

Frakin' hell O'Brien, get a damned grip!!!!!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 May 2013, 19:46
Sorry Conan, you are wrong. In an episode of Superman: The Animated Series it shows Clark shaving using his heat vision and a mirror to pin point it.

 :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 21 May 2013, 19:51
honestly its conan making fun of people's youtube response videos. i.e. this is a joke.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 May 2013, 08:22
I know, I just wanted to put my nerd glasses on and hike up my pants.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 22 May 2013, 10:51

I never thought that at any point in my life, I'd be excited for a Superman film.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 22 May 2013, 11:47
nerdgasms all over the place!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Skaltura on 22 May 2013, 17:42
This is not in 3D right, oh dear god please let it be 2D, I may finally be able to watch a movie in a cinema again. :psyduck:

/edit: A quick explanation

There's only one cinema in Berlin that shows big Hollywood movies (i.e. superheroes) in their original language (Cinestar Original, Sony Centre), and they've stopped showing 2D versions of 3D movies altogether for about 3 years now, so pretty all I was able to watch was Nolan's Batman and Iron Man 1 and 2. Couldn't even watch The Hobbit cause fuck you 3D. Fucking fuckers .. fuck.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2013, 17:56
The Hobbit is the only 3D movie I've seen lately because they didn't offer the 48FPS version in 2D.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Jun 2013, 08:25
[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/user9658153/man-of-steel-an-ideal-of-hope[/soundcloud]
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LTK on 02 Jun 2013, 16:14
This is not in 3D right, oh dear god please let it be 2D, I may finally be able to watch a movie in a cinema again. :psyduck:

/edit: A quick explanation

There's only one cinema in Berlin that shows big Hollywood movies (i.e. superheroes) in their original language (Cinestar Original, Sony Centre), and they've stopped showing 2D versions of 3D movies altogether for about 3 years now, so pretty all I was able to watch was Nolan's Batman and Iron Man 1 and 2. Couldn't even watch The Hobbit cause fuck you 3D. Fucking fuckers .. fuck.

http://www.getdigital.de/products/2D-Brille ?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: GarandMarine on 03 Jun 2013, 00:06
Yeah still optimistic about this
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 13 Jun 2013, 11:16
Mixed reviews so far.. 55/100 on Metacritic and 60 % on Rotten Tomatoes..

It looks sort of like the reactions to Watchmen, which I really liked, so I'm crossing my fingers. Mildly disappointed the reviews aren't better though..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Jun 2013, 11:22
This guy has been pretty spot on as far as my tastes go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG4YE0w3UMs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG4YE0w3UMs)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 14 Jun 2013, 05:13
Yeah, seems like the film struggles a little with the pacing.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Skaltura on 14 Jun 2013, 11:41
Soooo, I just checked, 3D only, well, looks like I might have a few extra bucks to spend on the Steam summer sale. :D
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2013, 12:15
At all the theaters near you?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Skaltura on 14 Jun 2013, 12:25
At all the theaters near you?

There's only one cinema in Berlin that shows big Hollywood movies (i.e. superheroes) in their original language (Cinestar Original, Sony Centre)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2013, 12:29
Ah. Do you dislike 3D that much or is the few extra Euro that make it not worth it?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Skaltura on 14 Jun 2013, 12:32
I despise it like the fucking eye cancer it is.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2013, 21:41
Saw it today. I kinda liked it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: GarandMarine on 15 Jun 2013, 00:15
That was pretty damn good. I was surprised. Superman movies are supposed to suck! This one was good! I am lost, my world inverted.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 15 Jun 2013, 08:59
Superman movies are supposed to suck!

 :x
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jun 2013, 13:53
Live-action Superman movies are supposed to suck!
:roll:
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 16 Jun 2013, 03:10
Sorry Conan, you are wrong. In an episode of Superman: The Animated Series it shows Clark shaving using his heat vision and a mirror to pin point it.

 :mrgreen:

99.99% sure this also happens in Lois & Clark TV series. Anybody watch that? I got through the first couple of seasons, its actually very watchable for a slightly cheesy 90s TV series as it is. John Shea's Lex Luthor is probably the best I've seen (tied with Gene Hackman?). I need to give Smallville a chance, although its what, 10 seasons long?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: K1dmor on 16 Jun 2013, 03:20
Sorry Conan, you are wrong. In an episode of Superman: The Animated Series it shows Clark shaving using his heat vision and a mirror to pin point it.

 :mrgreen:

99.99% sure this also happens in Lois & Clark TV series.

 Superman shaving IRL and animated version:

 
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Jun 2013, 04:56
I have a comic book where he uses an electric shaver to throw people off by leaving it turned on while he heat-visions his face.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jun 2013, 05:32
I wish I could shave that fast. Shaving's annoying.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 16 Jun 2013, 07:48
Sorry Conan, you are wrong. In an episode of Superman: The Animated Series it shows Clark shaving using his heat vision and a mirror to pin point it.

 :mrgreen:

99.99% sure this also happens in Lois & Clark TV series. Anybody watch that? I got through the first couple of seasons, its actually very watchable for a slightly cheesy 90s TV series as it is. John Shea's Lex Luthor is probably the best I've seen (tied with Gene Hackman?). I need to give Smallville a chance, although its what, 10 seasons long?

It was one of my first introductions to Superman, I still hold a place in my heart for Dean Cain

I saw Man of Steel last night and I thought it was ok. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. I'd probably saw it was a good movie, but not a good Superman movie. They definitely made it darker and I thought that the Krypton scenes went on for a little too long.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jun 2013, 08:32
I'd probably saw it was a good movie, but not a good Superman movie.
I always struggle to find this sort of sentence meaningful. It's like when people said Casino Royale was a good movie, but not a good Bond movie. Except if it's a good movie, and Superman/Bond are in it, then it's a good Superman/Bond movie, it doesn't stop being a Superman/Bond movie just because they use the character different from what you're used to.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Jun 2013, 08:46
I think it means "By the standards of movies in general, it was good. By the standards of the movies about X (Superman/Bond), it was not as good as it could have been."

It wouldn't have lost out had it not been about Superman/Bond but was instead about some other super-powered humanoid alien/not-very-secret-at-all agent.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jun 2013, 08:48
Ah, so "a good movie, but not a good Superman movie" means "a good movie, but not good FOR a Superman movie". In which case I understand and very much disagree.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Jun 2013, 08:55
I can't really say either way, not having seen it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Jun 2013, 11:55
Ah, so "a good movie, but not a good Superman movie" means "a good movie, but not good FOR a Superman movie". In which case I understand and very much disagree.

I concur, because having seen all the Superman movies, Man of Steel was the first decent one.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 16 Jun 2013, 12:08
I think it's pretty safe to say that Superman and Superman II were pretty good movies, regardless of how well they've held up for 35 years of aging.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 16 Jun 2013, 12:09
I would disagree with that for multiple reasons, but opinions and all that.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jun 2013, 12:11
Edguy - I haven't seen II, but if I do I'll probably watch the Donner Cut.

ackblom - Yes, opinions and all that. Doesn't mean you shouldn't share your reasons.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 16 Jun 2013, 12:23
I guess a fairly basic explanation is that they felt very much like the 'Superfriends' of Superman movies. Or the Adam West Batman, but nowhere near as amusing. Luthor was also more of a joke than a villain. I mean, as far as comic book movies go they're certainly better than 99% of what came along (I think the Burton Batman's are wonderful) up until the bit of revolution that the first X-Man movie started, but I don't think that makes them good.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 16 Jun 2013, 13:48
To be fair, I haven't seen them since I was a kid, but from the average "top X superhero movies" list and the RT/Mc scores, I'm pretty sure they were good movies (like I remember them) . :)

And obviously, a superhero movie made in the '70s would unavoidably have a certain degree of camp.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 16 Jun 2013, 13:53
I'm fine with camp. I just don't think it did a good job with it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 16 Jun 2013, 18:25
Here are my thoughts
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 17 Jun 2013, 07:07
I am broke until friday so havnt seen it.  I have seen this though and wanted to share this little gem...
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/00f9c8efdee60faff4b4261d5b53dc17/tumblr_mogqr8ZXvu1qdzgcno1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 Jun 2013, 07:53
An idea from 4chan for the next movie
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jun 2013, 08:07
So...would Lex be an anti-villain? Because that could actually be a natural progression from MoS, and I'd fully welcome it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 17 Jun 2013, 08:19
Well, by all rights that what Luthor has always been. He's (almost) always seen himself as a hero, albeit one with little to no use of what most people consider heroic traits.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 17 Jun 2013, 09:37
Arg, not getting to see it 'till Thursday.. C'mon!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jun 2013, 09:39
Well, by all rights that what Luthor has always been.
Yes, but never in the movies.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 17 Jun 2013, 10:35
Oh yeah, definitely true.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 Jun 2013, 18:21
Here's another review (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/17/man-of-steel-on-my-planet-the-s-is-for-sucks-spoilers-review/) that echoes my thoughts perfectly
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jun 2013, 18:46
While I agree that most of what he says is true, I disagree that most of what he finds objectionable is inherently so. There's just way too much "that's not how Superman should be", some of which is valid, but plenty just seems like "they changed it, now it sucks".
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Jun 2013, 18:51
I guess it's the same every time they 'Reboot' the Universe(s).  There are always those who say that they've got it wrong, or this isn't how it's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 17 Jun 2013, 21:12
expectations of self declared or realized cannon being held when changing media?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jun 2013, 21:20
Unreasonable expectations, yes.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 20 Jun 2013, 17:57
Ok, so I finally got to see it. My thoughts:

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Conclusion; with some stronger writing, DC could beat Marvel to a pulp. I'm looking forward to see what comes from here.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 21 Jun 2013, 15:57
BlueKitty, your thoughts on this resonate with mine 100%. Kudos for such a well thought out an intellectual breakdown of the movie!

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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 Jun 2013, 20:04
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d6987549688e1777eece7ccd188dfe1e/tumblr_mom77rKfvZ1qgb3zso1_250.gif) (http://25.media.tumblr.com/663a935c2282c3316c48fc65204b49a5/tumblr_mom77rKfvZ1qgb3zso2_250.gif)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b848cae4752d70eb1953e67e005ab61/tumblr_mom77rKfvZ1qgb3zso3_250.gif) (http://25.media.tumblr.com/2bc71d69caefc86ad3f1e1d0c8764d7a/tumblr_mom77rKfvZ1qgb3zso4_250.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 24 Jun 2013, 13:54
Blue Kitty's said my sentiments pretty much.

I enjoyed the film and I didn't think there was anything really bad about it, it just got a slightly enthused, "Huh." outta me. A little humour would have helped a lot. I really liked the opening segment.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 24 Jun 2013, 14:01
Here's a take by a guy I know online. Keep in mind it's not so much a review (by his own admission) as it is him ranting about how one aspect of why he thought it was terrible. There's plenty of spoilers in it, so be warned.

The Second Coming of Krypton (http://threatormenace.com/2013/06/24/the-second-coming-of-krypton/)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 16 Jul 2013, 15:07
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jul 2013, 19:39
Was half of that crossed out intentionally?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 17 Jul 2013, 23:18
I am broke until friday so havnt seen it.  I have seen this though and wanted to share this little gem...
[pic]

Couple issues is that the Avengers were fighting a lot more aliens and
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 20 Jul 2013, 14:56
Well, a live action Batman/Superman crossover film has been confirmed for 2015.

I kind of despised Man of Steel and I'm not convinced they'll be able to match Nolan's talent with Batman's tale, so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jul 2013, 17:08
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Jul 2013, 17:20
Pa, not Papa.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jul 2013, 17:27
I ain't even mad.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 22 Jul 2013, 07:36
Well, a live action Batman/Superman crossover film has been confirmed for 2015.

I kind of despised Man of Steel and I'm not convinced they'll be able to match Nolan's talent with Batman's tale, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Not the direction I was expecting. Though, that said, I expect this will be more of a Man of Steel sequel where Batman is introduced, rather than a 50/50 crossover. Could be pretty cool. Could also be pretty bad. We'll see.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 Jul 2013, 11:04
Yeah, they're bringing back Perry, Lois, and the general from the movie. They were surprisingly quiet about who's going to play Batman though.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 23 Jul 2013, 11:13
That's probably far from decided. Hopefully they are aware  that the (re-)casting of Bruce Wayne/Batman will be a big deal on the internet's hype machine. Casting  could be vital to whether the public accepts a re-imagining of the Dark Knight, or not.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jul 2013, 18:17
The interesting part of that is whether they'll - once again - reboot the Batman character, or roll over from the end of Dark Knight Rises.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jul 2013, 18:20
Wait, is anyone actually thinking they won't reboot? Then again, it would be a way to avoid doing another origin movie, if they could get JGL as Batman. I just don't see them doing that, though.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 24 Jul 2013, 08:56
Nolan's trilogy was just that; a trilogy, and it's over now. That has been confirmed by pretty much every person who was ever attached to anything. it also would make no sense, neither for the DC cinematic universe, or for Nolan's Batman universe, to mash the two together. There's still a lot of people of the internet who refuse to face this, though.

Also, they wouldn't have to do an origin movie to introduce Batman. Everybody and their mom knows his story by now, and it would be more fitting with a Bruce Wayne that's been in the business for a few years, when considering JL and the fact that he'll appear in the Man of Steel sequel ;)

All we need is some exposition in the first act of MoS II, telling of some vigilante that has been dealing with the mob in Gotham.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 24 Jul 2013, 12:15
Probably not a coincidence that Bale has recently said he's not reprising his role. A good call because Nolan's universe basically got rid of anything supernatural - the brilliance of the brooding, self-destructive Batman Bale portrays is that he really could be anyone and the things that we see villians get up to - especially the Joker - could almost certainly happen in the real world. If you start to bring aliens and superpowers into it then the suspension of disbelief is lost, never to be recovered.

A lot of people will point to Joseph Gordon-Levitt for the Batman role - I've also heard Cumberbatch come up. The trick will be if they choose to use someone fairly unknown or not. Karl Urban might work. I think there's a workaround for the "origins" deal if you don't have about thirty-thousand flashbacks like Snyder did in MOS.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 24 Jul 2013, 12:56
Actually, my favorite thing about Nolan's trilogy is exactly what makes some people I know really dislike it. Nolan's trilogy was, essentially, a critical deconstruction of the concept of a Costumed Hero and vigilantes. Nolan was not kind (though I do think he was fair) in his deconstruction and it could be easily argued he wasn't terribly kind to fans of the genre either. I think part of the issue I had with Man of Steel is that they tried this with Supes and did it poorly, not even going into the terrible dialogue, Pa Kent's incredibly stupid death and ridiculous plot holes. It was either Zack Snyder reaching way beyond his ability, which is what I expect, or he completely misunderstands the core of what makes Superman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 24 Jul 2013, 19:07
I've always been of the opinion that Snyder should form a directing partnership with some other director, coop-ing films. He's an amazing visual director, probably the best in the world when it comes to bringing superhero action to life, but he lacks in the storytelling and plot building departments. And Nolan & Goyer aren't exactly helping.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2013, 20:49
or he completely misunderstands the core of what makes Superman.
Superman's been around for the better part of a century. Does such a "core" really exist?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 24 Jul 2013, 21:15
Yes, though the packaging changes over the years.

What Superman is supposed to represent, and is consistent through his entire career, is basically the paragon of humanity. He is able to be what humanity strives to be because of his abilities. He's the human ideal that humanity can never be because of our limitations. This isn't to say you can't make darker stories for him, Kingdom Come and Red Son for example, but the core is still there even in those two.

Red Son is the story of a god who loses his way, accidentally spurning the very ideals of humanity which he himself idolized.

Kingdom Come is the story of Superman deciding that perhaps, the world isn't worth saving anymore, that maybe he actually was the harbinger of the fall of humanity with the rise of a pantheon of near god like beings and their offspring. A world in which Superman is literally worshipped by various religious sects, which makes him uncomfortable in a whole lot of ways.

But through these the core is the same... unless you count the really really shitty and edgy red/blue shit in the 90's, but fuck that.

It seems like Man of Steel was aiming for the critical deconstruction style of Nolan's Batman, making the case for Superman being the cause of far more grief than he could possibly stop, but it failed to make the character of Superman that paragon of humanity, which makes the movie feel hollow. Instead he's horribly reckless, is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of human deaths, a couple trillion in damages and the movie just had a terrible script anyways.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 Aug 2013, 12:41
I guess Bryan Cranston is, "up for the role," of Lex Luthor in the Superman/Batman movie. Of course, as io9 says, "up for the role," means anything from, "negotiating the contract," to, "his name is on a list." But style, that would be pretty badass.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 08 Aug 2013, 16:16
The most important thing about whoever plays Luthor, imo, is that is able to appear convincingly smart and confident. I just hope they don't try to hard to make him an evil villain for the mainstream audience; he's much better as an anti-villain.

Same goes for the casting of Batman (and the writing, even more so); make him clever. Especially now that he's not the main character, it's important that they write him smart and one step ahead most. That's what makes Batman cool. In Nolan's films the villains were always the ones toying with Bats, and never the other way around. A lot of that, tho were that he were the main character, and there had to be a certain amount of drama. With the camera mainly on Supes tho, and Batman being established as experienced, he can be written much smarter. A support character don't need a drama arc.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Aug 2013, 20:28
Bryan Cranston is, "up for the role," of Lex Luthor
I want this so much you have no idea.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 08 Aug 2013, 20:32
Oh my god I would forever love that casting choice.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 08 Aug 2013, 20:49
He's nearing 60, tho..

While I agree he's a great choice, he's at least 10 years too old.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ackblom12 on 08 Aug 2013, 21:28
Meh, I got no problems with them deciding to move on to an older Lex.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Aug 2013, 21:29
Agreed.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Aug 2013, 09:58
Age is only relevant for a Luthor if you think he's going to be fistfighting Superman. But that was never the point. The point of Lex is that he outsmarts Superman and finds other ways to fuck with him.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Aug 2013, 15:17
Well said. Honestly, if they cast anyone else I'll probably be disappointed now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: K1dmor on 23 Aug 2013, 13:10
 50 Greatest tweets about Ben Affleck as Batman (http://io9.com/the-50-greatest-tweets-about-ben-afflecks-casting-as-1188521731).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 23 Aug 2013, 15:10
Nothing worse than wannabe comedic vomit strung together with hashtags pretending to be observational.

I'm sorry, I just find Twitter backlash incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Aug 2013, 16:40
Oh god no.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 23 Aug 2013, 16:56
This backlash is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. Affleck has become more than a decent actor the last years. Look-wise, he's pretty much spot on for Bruce Wayne, all he need is to bulk up. His accent might be unlucky, but I'm sure they wouldn't have cast him if they could work around it.

Anyways, I finally saw Dredd. They should cast Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne, and Carl Urban as Batman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Aug 2013, 19:16
I'm just confused about him going back to super hero movies considering Daredevil was the low point of his career. He's got the chops, but super hero movies are better with unknown actors.


(http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2013/08/ww.png)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 24 Aug 2013, 03:19
Daredevil was going to be terrible no matter who was in it. Replace Affleck with any other 30 year old actor at that time, you've still got a weak villian and a flimsy love interest. It was weak all over.

Personally I thought Man of Steel was far too sentimental so I don't know if I hold up too much hope for a sequel. The trick will be to properly attribute Bruce Wayne to the film as a viable character, rather than someone Clark stumbles upon after a few flashbacks or awkward conversations with Lois.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2013, 04:42
weak villian
Wait, what? Colin Farrell was the only good part of that movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 Aug 2013, 10:55
weak villian
Wait, what? Michael Clarke Duncan was the only good part of that movie.

Fixed that for you


Also
Quote from: Ben Affleck
By playing a superhero in Daredevil, I have inoculated myself from ever playing another superhero. Wearing a costume was a source of humiliation for me and something I wouldn’t want to do again soon.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2013, 11:24
By the time it comes out it'll be well over a decade, hardly soon. And the reason I bring up Colin Farrell was as far as I remember (and it's been quite some time), he was the only one who didn't take it seriously. His character was hilariously absurd.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Aug 2013, 13:25
I'm just confused about him going back to super hero movies considering Daredevil was the low point of his career. He's got the chops, but super hero movies are better with unknown actors.


(http://static03.mediaite.com/themarysue/uploads/2013/08/ww.png)


When I see comments like that, it renews my sense of despair over Wholeyweird.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 24 Aug 2013, 14:33
No matter who they picked there'd be a bunch of people whining. I'm interested to see Ben Affleck's interpretation. Although as soon as I heard I asked if Kevin Smith was writing/directing and would Batman spend most of the film hiding behind a rock.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2013, 15:05
Did they have to have Snyder direct again? What if they'd given Affleck the directing job instead of Batman?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 28 Aug 2013, 15:11
weak villian
Wait, what? Colin Farrell was the only good part of that movie.

He was equally awful. The Kingpin was brilliant but never fully realised.

Affleck will/may be directing the Justice League as far as I remember. Snyder wouldn't give up this sequel after MOS brought in a few hundred million.

His first standalone film will have him and Robin chasing after Catwoman, who is probably a lesbian, but not really, although I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Aug 2013, 15:27
Well, that would certainly be an interesting twist on the dynamic between Bruce Wayne/Batman and Selena Kyle/Catwoman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 29 Aug 2013, 08:03
Woo hoo, the Man of Steel sequel will film in Michigan!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 02 Dec 2013, 21:02
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Dec 2013, 21:31
Hahaha, that might be my favorite HISHE.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 04 Dec 2013, 18:19
Gal Gadot, some chick from the Fast & Furious films, has been cast as Diana Prince, aka Wonder Woman (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=112057). Facially, she looks great, and with a couple of months bulking up in the gym, I think she'll look the role perfectly. No idea about her acting abilities or screen personality though.

Not sure what direction they are planning with the movie though. Is this a Man of Steel sequel anymore, or is it a Trinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(comic_book)) movie? Worlds Finest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_Finest) with a cameo from Wonder Woman? Do Warner even a have a plan at this point? I'm getting the feeling Nolan and Goyer aren't the ideal men to lead this new cinematic universe..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 04 Dec 2013, 18:34
Edguy, this might be the setup to the long talked about Justice League movie. Why else would they have Green Arrow and Flash TV shows, a Batman/Superman movie, and now Wonder Woman unless they were planning on it leading into a big joint movie...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Dec 2013, 02:32
This is crass as anything, but that girl does not have the rack to be Wonder Woman, and I sincerely doubt that she has the capacity to get the build for it either. Is she even tall? Wonder Woman is meant to be an Amazonian goddess who can stand at eye level with the men, she should be able to break their hearts as easily as she can break their necks.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 05 Dec 2013, 02:55
This is crass as anything, but that girl does not have the rack to be Wonder Woman, and I sincerely doubt that she has the capacity to get the build for it either. Is she even tall? Wonder Woman is meant to be an Amazonian goddess who can stand at eye level with the men, she should be able to break their hearts as easily as she can break their necks.

She is 5'9" so she isn't towering but it's not like she is short...

See Christian Bale about bulking up fast for a role...he went from skeletal in "The Machinist" to fit and muscular in "Batman Begins" in a matter of months- more than enough time for her to put on some muscles.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 05 Dec 2013, 04:29
1. Bra padding.

2. Wonder Woman is much more than her cup size. Her strength and power comes from her attitude and demeanor, not just her body type.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 05 Dec 2013, 05:26
and magical equipment from the godesses...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Dec 2013, 05:46
I'm more concerned about her lack of muscle then her lack of cleavage. Where's a younger Lucy Lawless when we need her?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 05 Dec 2013, 08:14
I...would still volunteer the current lucy lawless...or Gina Carano.  She already has the muscle.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 05 Dec 2013, 08:44
1. Bra padding.
She could use a wonder bra?!  :mrgreen:

I...would still volunteer the current lucy lawless...or Gina Carano.  She already has the muscle.

Isn't Gina Carano the female equivalent of The Rock, incapable of doing anything other than "the tough chick" and stunt man work?!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 05 Dec 2013, 08:55
She's an MMA fighter who has done little work from what I can see. Only stared in one movie which didn't do any good (Haywire) and was an american galdiator when they tried to bring it back a few years ago..


Angry Joe's thoughts (he is a fan boy rager which is funny)
I was shocked he said Gina!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Dec 2013, 20:46
which didn't do any good (Haywire)
Great movie. It's a damn shame it didn't succeed.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 06:55
I think it needs to be said that Ben Afflec is not the reason that Daredevil failed hard. For one thing, the choice of build for the Kingpin was terrible. Taking the actor's skin color out of the equation (because him being black isn't the problem), he didn't have the body mass or the attitude to be the Kingpin. I'm sorry, but when I see the kingpin, I expect to see someone who is as BIG as they powerful. There was also too much creative liscensing I think, but this is about the time that they had the Fantastic Four and I hated that movie franchise too.

Man of Steel, I liked it. But I think that Superman being a symbol of hope represents Jor-El's idea of hope for both Krypton and Earth, of what the two societies could achieve together one day. I think that I am also glad that they went in this direction, rather then making some boring origin story of superman. They attempted to tie in specific moments of Superman's past on Earth with moments of his modern day life. It wasn't Superman Returns bad, and that is what I wanted more then anything out of the movie. It was everything that I expected.

Things like originality are concepts that are becoming more foreign to movie producers and directors. So taking movies like Man of Steel and Star Trek Into Darkness into new directions will be the key to making movies enjoyable for everyone.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Dec 2013, 08:51
Superman Returns bad
I still don't get the hate for Superman Returns. Sure, it had a lot of problems, but so did the original Superman movie which is inexplicably loved.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 29 Dec 2013, 09:16
The standard for Superhero movies were considerably higher when Returns came out, than when the original came out, tho.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Dec 2013, 09:18
That may be true, but that doesn't make the movie any better, and the standard for Superman movies wasn't high at all when Returns came out. If you can excuse the original movie, you can excuse Returns (not that you're obligated to excuse either!)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 09:35
Superman Returns is like the retro throwback of cars. All plastic and a blatant attempt at trying to rekindle what made the older cars great. If it had been something that wasn't trying to replicate the Christopher Reeves-style of superman movies, then it would've been better. Personally? I prefered the animated series superman more.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Dec 2013, 09:48
All plastic and a blatant attempt at trying to rekindle what made the older cars great.
See, this was my problem with Skyfall. The main difference with Superman Returns though is that the cars they were imitating were never great!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 10:07
All plastic and a blatant attempt at trying to rekindle what made the older cars great.
See, this was my problem with Skyfall. The main difference with Superman Returns though is that the cars they were imitating were never great!

I'd say it's more like the style of the cars they attempted to imitate were never great in the first place.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 30 Dec 2013, 18:55
Denzel Washington, who was once rumored to be up for the role of Lex Luthor, is having his name flung around as being involved in the franchise as the new Green Lantern, John Stewart. This would tie in directly with the long rumored Justice League movie as this would make it FOUR of the key members involved with the chance that Green Arrow and Flash might cross over from their TV shows.

Stewart is the third character to wear the green ring but has played second fiddle to his successor and predecessor over the decades. He is best remembered outside of comics for his role in the Justice League cartoons.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Dec 2013, 18:56
YES, YES, FOR FUCK'S SAKE YES. John Stewart was awesome on the JL/JLU series, and if they cast Denzel as him I will actually look forward to this movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 31 Dec 2013, 06:45
Denzel is 59 though..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Dec 2013, 07:02
So?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Dec 2013, 09:16
Don't tell Clint, Chuck, Arnold, Bruce, Dolph, Sylvester, Jean-Claude and other action stars of similar age or much older that he's too old for the part...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Dec 2013, 09:29
Especially since a huge part of GL's combat is CGI regardless of who plays him.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Dec 2013, 16:01
As if the Denzel rumors weren't enough, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is in talks with DC about a film...speculation again about who he could end up playing, with Martian Manhunter being one choice...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 31 Dec 2013, 16:15
I'd love to see him as Black Adam should they ever make a Captain Marvel/Shazam movie, or Namor
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Dec 2013, 17:34
I'd love to see him as Black Adam should they ever make a Captain Marvel/Shazam movie, or Namor

You aren't the only one who suggested he would be a good fit with a Shazam movie, but the Superman movie all but killed any potential Shazam movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Jan 2014, 05:20
Don't tell Clint, Chuck, Arnold, Bruce, Dolph, Sylvester, Jean-Claude and other action stars of similar age or much older that he's too old for the part...

I'm not saying he's too old for an action movie, just maybe a little too old to play a character that's supposedly in his early-mid thirties?! Besides, the DC universe will hopefully be a long lasting cinematic universe, so an actor signing on to a major role should be able/willing to reprise his/her role in the future :)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 05:36
You say this in response to a post listing most guys who are going to make a third Expendables movie :roll:
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Jan 2014, 07:04
I hate those things.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 09:43
I haven't seen them, but I'd expect them to be amusing enough.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 02 Jan 2014, 10:24
I haven't seen them, but I'd expect them to be amusing enough.

That's the whole point of the movies, amusing action. And the whole point of comic book movies is suspension of disbelief.

Stewart's age isn't pinned down, he could be in his 40s as a retired Marine with a second career as an architect when he gets his ring in this version....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 13:50
How do you know what his story is in this version?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 02 Jan 2014, 17:11
How do you know what his story is in this version?

We don't. I was just throwing out some possibilities about his age could be explained away based on his being a Marine and an architect being strongly entrenched parts of his backstory.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 17:19
Hey, anything's better than a fighter pilot who gets the ring and then immediately murders a few people in a parking lot.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 02 Jan 2014, 17:24
Hey, anything's better than a fighter pilot who gets the ring and then immediately murders a few people in a parking lot.

Rule #1 of the ring: you can't kill. Beat them to a bloody pulp, but not kill.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 17:24
Nobody told Ryan Reynolds.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 02 Jan 2014, 17:27
Nobody told Ryan Reynolds.

A lot of things wrong with that and most of them were the fault of the scriptwriters. Thinking about sequels before finishing the movie can do that to you, never going to get a true resolution to that movie that people really wanted: Sinestro with the yellow ring, battle for who is really the best ringslinger in the universe!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 18:00
People wanted a sequel to that movie? First time I've heard that.

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 02 Jan 2014, 21:31
People wanted a sequel to that movie? First time I've heard that.

Hints were left there that if you are familiar with the basic Green Lantern mythos over the decades you can see they were setting up at least one sequel if not two.

Sinestro is still a Green Lantern and doesn't have his yellow power ring yet and Sinestro started a rift by rebelling against the Guardians that was left unresolved. These two aren't coincidental. He was being set up for a movie where he betrays the Corps, becomes the yellow ring bearer, and battles Jordan.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jan 2014, 21:32
Totally not what I asked. Yes, they were setting up a sequel, that was clear. I'm just shocked to hear that anyone who saw that movie wanted one.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 03 Jan 2014, 09:27
Totally not what I asked. Yes, they were setting up a sequel, that was clear. I'm just shocked to hear that anyone who saw that movie wanted one.

People wanted a movie, otherwise it wouldn't have been made. People didn't want to see it again after seeing it the first time though....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jan 2014, 10:14
Except the sequel never was made, because people didn't want it. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 03 Jan 2014, 10:38
Except the sequel never was made, because people didn't want it. Am I missing something?

We are on the same page but as usual for me what I am trying to say and what comes out is garbled. The studio killed the sequels. If this movie had made a decent profit a sequel would have been made despite the negative reviews from critics and fans. What prevented the sequel was that the movie had a big loss thanks to the marketing costs that the studio paid to get the word out about the film.

People did in fact want to see the movie, and there are many who did in fact like the movie despite its faults. However there weren't enough to make up for the studio's huge marketing expenses.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Jan 2014, 10:43
Actual casting news instead of just rumors: Jesse Eisenberg is cast as Lex Luthor and Jeremy Irons is cast as Alfred in the upcoming Man of Steel sequel. Lex Luthor is intriguing since if he isn't the main villain it might be setting up something bigger for the third movie and/or the Justice League movie(s).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 31 Jan 2014, 11:51
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36427/832868-lex_luthor.jpg)  (https://static.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/51ce6099e4b0d911b4489b79/51ce61a7e4b0d911b449b8fd/1312575160307/1000w/The-Social-Network-Jesse-Eisenberg-1-31-8-10-kc.jpeg)

I don't see it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jan 2014, 13:26
I'm still pissed they'll never make Red Son.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 31 Jan 2014, 17:35
Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 31 Jan 2014, 19:31
I'm still pissed they'll never make Red Son.

Probably as an animated movie they will
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jan 2014, 19:31
That's not what I meant. I meant as a theatrically released live-action Superman movie. I'd be happy even with an animated one, but still, it's a better story than any live-action movie by far.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Jan 2014, 20:05
Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

Why not?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Jan 2014, 20:12
That's not what I meant. I meant as a theatrically released live-action Superman movie. I'd be happy even with an animated one, but still, it's a better story than any live-action movie by far.

I am doubtful it would make an OK live action movie. The whole premise of the movie hinges on a "what if" scenario, after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing and wouldn't hold an audience for the entire film. Animated is the way to go for that storyline.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jan 2014, 20:30
after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing
Wait, what? What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 31 Jan 2014, 22:01
after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing
Wait, what? What makes you say that?

After you established that everyone did what he told them to do at the behest of the CCCP then it is just rehashing the same point over and over again. It gets boring to the point of cringe inducing, and you have to cut out a lot of parts of the story to make it watchable...which is why it makes a great 75 minute movie where they can cut out a lot of the fluff and get to the three subplots(Lex Luthor, Batmankoff, and his two love stories)...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Feb 2014, 01:04
What about that "other" elseworlds story? You know, the one where Kal-El is found by a certain wealthy couple from Gotham City?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Feb 2014, 05:32
LookingIn, what about Brainiac? But fair enough, I'll take an animated movie. ANYTHING, really. But I can't imagine anyone being bored while reading it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LookingIn on 01 Feb 2014, 10:20
LookingIn, what about Brainiac?

Brainiac as a character in a movie or one of the storylines involving him being made into a movie?

Quote
But fair enough, I'll take an animated movie. ANYTHING, really. But I can't imagine anyone being bored while reading it.

I actually got bored. It was one of the few occasions where I was let down badly by the book. It is also one where the trimming to make it into an animated movie would help it.

But whatever they do, hopefully they don't water it down so much that subplots and major points are ignored or cut out for the sake of time like they did with All Star Superman...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 01 Feb 2014, 12:40
From Thor is the new Superman (http://arts.nationalpost.com/2014/01/03/cultural-lessons-of-2013-thor-is-the-new-superman/)
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thor is fun, the way superman should be; his cape is a bright, hopeful red and you want to hang out with him. the superman in man of steel is a guy you want to keep your distance from, more coldly alien than the asgardian who just arrived here. they’re both immigrants to earth, but even though the man of steel superman was raised here, thor feels more connected to humans in his movies, more their champion. more their superman.


Some thoughts based on this:
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I remember seeing Thor trying to get people to safety during super-battles in his two movies.  I don’t remember seeing Superman trying to do that in Man of Steel.

That’s a problem.

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honestly, even though it was probably a coincidence, I thought the fun and goofy action climax of Thor was a repudiation of Man of Steel’s hyperkinetic mass-murdering punchfest.

Having established that the stakes are the entire physical universe including the earth and everyone on it, the filmmakers behind Thor didn’t feel the need to show The Human CostTM with a lot of pointless destruction.

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Also Man of Steel never really dealt with the destruction after it was no longer a “necessary” plot point. While 85% of Thor: The Dark World is about this is what happens when you ignore the destruction you cause.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 01 Feb 2014, 16:36
Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

Should've been Heisenberg.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Feb 2014, 11:51
I'm a bit uncertain about that...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Feb 2014, 12:27
Maybe, but it could transport the character and energise the movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 05 Feb 2014, 15:51
Only thing that bugs me is his voice, and the fact that he is considerably younger than Cavill. Other than that, I think it's an interesting cast.

Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Feb 2014, 15:57
he is considerably younger than Cavill
Yes, five months is a significant amount of time :roll: (May 5/October 5, both 1983)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 05 Feb 2014, 16:27
He definitely looks younger, he just has a youthful appearance. But when I think Lex Luthor, I think the Justice League cartoon version. Big, charismatic man with a bold voice. Jesse Eisenberg is none of those things. And personally, I've hated him in everything except Zombieland. I just don't like watching him, I find him annoying. I mean, he did a good job in The Social Network, but...not really what I see for a major villain. Also he'll look terrible bald. :-P

But Jeremy Irons I will totally get behind. Although I think Michael Caine will remain my favorite.
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Post by: Alex C on 05 Feb 2014, 21:06
I'm not sure he'd look ridiculous bald. He has a pretty angular face under that mop of hair.
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Post by: Edguy on 06 Feb 2014, 04:11
he is considerably younger than Cavill
Yes, five months is a significant amount of time :roll: (May 5/October 5, both 1983)

Seriously, Jesse is 30!? Haha, I would never have guessed!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 May 2014, 16:46
So, new title for the Superman/Batman, I mean Batman/Superman movie

Also, David Goyer proves he shouldn't be anywhere near a comic book movie (http://www.themarysue.com/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-sex-fantasy/)
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 May 2014, 17:27
I'm not sure he should be anywhere near anything except a cave man with that kind of attitude...
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Post by: Edguy on 21 May 2014, 18:11
Also, David Goyer proves he shouldn't be anywhere near a comic book movie (http://www.themarysue.com/david-goyer-calls-she-hulk-sex-fantasy/)

..and still some people think Snyder is the problem? Nolan is a great filmmaker, and it worked out with the dark Knight films since that was a separate thing, and he could bend and change things to his liking. He just doesn't have the interest or respect to work with a cinematic universe. And Goyer.. Goyer shouldn't interact with humans.
Snyder might not be a genius when it comes to storytelling, but he does amazing visuals for comic book movies, and stays very true to source material. If Snyder directed, and had someone like Kevin Feige to oversee and guide him, then I'm confident he could make some really great stuff. Instead we have Nolan who dosn't care other than making "his own twist" on the material, and Goyer who's utterly incompetent. 
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Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2014, 19:12
Wait, how is Nolan the problem? And how is putting "his own twist" a bad thing?
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Post by: Edguy on 21 May 2014, 20:07
Nolan has little to no interest in the DC Universe. He didn't even want to make a third Batman movie, much less an expanded universe. The only reason he had anything to do with Man of Steel was so that they could slap on "from the director of The Dark Knight trilogy". He is a problem (a minor one, since his involvement is little to none now) because everyone wants him to lead the DC cinematic universe, the money people most of all, even though he has no interest to do so. Nolan and Goyer are the reasons why Man of Steel was so dark and grim and completely devoid of and cheerfulness.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2014, 20:23
What's wrong with dark and grim?
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 May 2014, 20:28
For Batman? Nothing. For Superman? Everything.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2014, 20:58
Why? And "it's not supposed to be" isn't an answer.
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Post by: Kugai on 22 May 2014, 00:23
Guy sounds like an absolute first rate twat.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 03:18
Why? And "it's not supposed to be" isn't an answer.

There is putting your own spin on a character, and then sacrificing basically everything about a character completely nonsensically.

Examples of putting your own twist on a character:
- Nolan's Batman, which is gritty and noirish but still maintains the parents dead/doesn't use guns/life war on crime/struggles to keep life and Batman in check element
- Brainiac in the DCAU being from Krypton to add a different spin on the Brainiac/Superman war
- Mr Freeze in B:TAS

Examples of sacrificing the entire point of the character to 'put your own spin' on it:
- The Sylvester Stallone Dredd movie in which he takes off his helmet
- Man Of Steel, in which Superman indiscriminately destroys the entire world around him without once thinking about saving civilians (on camera)
- Deadpool showing up in Wolverine and then having his mouth sewn shut

Can you do dark Superman? Sure you can. You could probably even do dark Superman without sacrificing the character's core values.

But the question is why? What is the point in dark Superman? He's Superman. He's the big blue boy scout. That's his whole deal. If you're wanting to make a dark, realistic, gritty superhero movie, why did you choose the Truth, Justice and the American Way guy?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 04:43
Good point. The DCAU Superman is easily my favorite Superman though in any TV/movie. Have any live-action Superman movies had anything as great as the "World of Cardboard" speech?


Actually, after I posted this, I had a thought. You know where the movie really fucked up? Pa Kent. But considering the Pa Kent they used, the way Superman turned out makes complete sense.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 05:41
Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 May 2014, 06:37
There have been Dark Superman stories before. But they work because they are such a counterpoint to the way he normally is. Like said, he's the Big Blue Boyscout. He does the right thing because it's the right thing to do. He has a strong moral code and he cares for the well being of others. He has to be, because he has equal potential to be a near unstoppable monster.

If Man of Steel hadn't been yet another retelling of his origin story, making it dark and gritty could very well have worked. An exploration of just what it would take to make Supes go all dark on people. And like I said, that has been explored in comics before. But re-imagining his entire story in the grim and realistic Nolan Batman style just doesn't work for the character. It brings him to far away from the character everyone knows from the comics, the character people expect to see. Making him unconcerned about the damage his battles cause, and killing people with his bare hands is to much a difference in character, that's a big part of why the movie was not well received. It would be as much a failure if they decided they needed to friendly up the next Batman movie and put him in a pastel batsuit, giving criminals a stern talking to while calling the police because private citizens shouldn't act as vigilantes....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 May 2014, 08:37
Quote from: Stan Lee
I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me. …Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 22 May 2014, 10:31
Good point. The DCAU Superman is easily my favorite Superman though in any TV/movie. Have any live-action Superman movies had anything as great as the "World of Cardboard" speech?

Man, that is so great. Justice League and the rest of the DCAU is so good, why can't the films be that good?

Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

Yes.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 22 May 2014, 13:36
Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

Can you expand on this? I've heard this before...but I can't bear to watch MoS again!

Batman v Superman: Department of Justice
 (http://i.imgur.com/Y7RP1g0.jpg)
or, Yes, The Sequel Will Be Justice League, Thanks For Asking
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 14:21
I thought I had already put that in here but I think I put it in the movies you saw thread, so let me summarise.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 14:31
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 May 2014, 14:31
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Post by: Edguy on 22 May 2014, 14:39
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Also, that was a very local tornado, which also strongly respects the authority of bridges.
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Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 14:41
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 14:53
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Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 15:01
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 15:04
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Post by: Thrillho on 22 May 2014, 15:14
Yep. Which is part of why it was stupid. It was stupid on every level.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 15:17
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Post by: Kugai on 22 May 2014, 21:24
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 22:13
Agreed.
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Post by: Edguy on 23 May 2014, 06:09
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 May 2014, 14:00
He had enough power to snap his neck but not move him away, or tell the people to run?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 23 May 2014, 14:14
Superman should have his morals because they're the right thing to do, not because something traumatised him into having them.
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Post by: Thrillho on 23 May 2014, 16:05
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Post by: Edguy on 24 May 2014, 06:10
"Right thing to do" is a very subjective value, and subjective values are shaped by events and experiences.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 24 May 2014, 06:19
Except when it's Superman, whose job is to actually be better than Earthlings and find a way to do things weaker people aren't capable of doing. I stand by he shouldn't have had an event to cause his principles, he shoułd have them just because they're intrinsic to him. What happened should have been an exception, not an origin.

I'm over simplifying the character a lot but the film did not even get that right about the character, or at least didn't show it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 May 2014, 07:00
Are just busting out of the spoiler tags then? Are we assuming everyone reading this thread has now seen the film? Question, not a shitty statement.

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Post by: Welu on 24 May 2014, 07:20
I think we're okay to stop doing spoiler tags for the first film, especially when everyone talking at this point in the thread seems to know what we're discussing.

Gareth said what I was failing into words. Cheers, lad.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 May 2014, 07:21
You're welu-come, fella.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 May 2014, 13:24
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Superman has been twisted so much by everybody lately, so many of whom seem to think that in order to be relevant he has to be grim and dark and edgy. He’s not. Superman is optimism and hope and goodness - he’s the one who doesn’t have to settle for a solution because it’s ‘realistic’, because no one is that good and audiences won’t relate to it. And that’s when he’s his best. I wish the people at DC would realize that.

Superman isn’t who we are, he’s who we want to be. Or that’s what he should be. We seem to have lost that, though.
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Post by: Kugai on 24 May 2014, 15:08
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 May 2014, 07:12
The Nolan trilogy seems to disagree with this. Batman was born Bruce Wayne, so Superman stands alone there, but Bruce Wayne has become the costume.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 13 Jun 2014, 05:01
RUMOR: Warner Bros. to Unveil Seven Film Wave of DC Universe Movies at SDCC (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135362-RUMOR-Warner-Bros-to-Unveil-Seven-Film-Wave-of-DC-Universe-Movies-at-SDCC)

So, allegedly, DC's slate of movies will look like this for the next years:
May 2016 - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
July 2016 - Shazam (aka Captain Marvel)
Xmas 2016 - Sandman (Neil Gaiman version)
May 2017 - Justice League
July 2017 - Wonder Woman
Xmas 2017 - Flash and Green Lantern team-up
May 2018 - Man of Steel 2

Also, how does Sandman fit into this? I haven't read it, but isn't that a story that's not really connected to the general DC Universe? Is it just a standalone film (if this is real) unrelated to the rest?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Jun 2014, 05:03
1. What a terrible slate of movies.
2. FUCK YOU DC FOR CHANGING CAPTAIN MARVEL'S NAME TO SHAZAM

SHAZAM IS THE WIZARD'S NAME THAT GAVE HIM HIS POWER

THAT'S FUCKING STUPID

AND CAPTAIN MARVEL IS A BADASS NAME

THE OTHER ONE IS MAR-VELL ANYWAY YOU TWATS
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Jun 2014, 05:43
Except for the other characters who were named Captain Marvel.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Jun 2014, 05:50
So give him a different name that isn't 'Shazam.' Shazam is a dumb name for a badass superhero who is strong enough to beat the shit out of Superman. Come on now.

OH SHIT! IT'S SHAZAM! EVERYONE RUN!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 13 Jun 2014, 06:53
On a sidenote, isn't it pretty weird that they're (supposedly) putting out a Captain Marvel movie as the first movie after Batman/Superman, before the likes of Wonder Woman, Flash and GL? I suppose there could be plot reasons (Really?! Does WB take such things into consideration?), like how will this work together with their TV shows (Arrow & Flash, and Gotham?!). Maybe they're putting off a Flash movie because he will cross over from the TV-show?

Anyways, DC, pls gief J'onn J'onzz. And please kill off Barry Allen & Hal Jordan so we can make space for Wally West and John Stewart. I really like the character dynamic in the animated series, ok?!

Btw, talking about Captain Marvel, and earlier in the Marvel thread, Josh Brolin; wouldn't that be a match?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 13 Jun 2014, 13:06
How about Susan? SUUUUSAAAAAAN!

I think I just scared myself.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jun 2014, 20:00
I thought his name was still Captain Marvel, but they aren't allowed to have the title be Captain Marvel because of copyright bullshit, like they can't put it on the covers of his comics, even if it's still his name within. I could've misread that Cracked article though.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 14 Jun 2014, 04:09
Report: Jason Momoa is Aquaman, will appear in Batman v Superman (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135396-Report-Jason-Momoa-is-Aquaman-Will-Appear-in-Dawn-of-Justice)

Seems like odd casting to me, but, as always, we'll see.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2014, 06:47
Really hoping they go for the DCAU-style of Aquaman (badass king of Atlantis who pretty much claims all of international waters as his domain) as opposed to...any other Aquaman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Jun 2014, 07:10
I'd be happy with the Brave and the Bold Aquaman. :)
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Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2014, 08:31
I haven't seen that, but I was thinking of the JLU Aquaman who
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 14 Jun 2014, 11:46
There's only one choice
(http://dccomicsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Aquamans_Outrageous_Adventure_Screenshot_005.jpg)
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Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jun 2014, 13:41
I would be very happy if the DCAU Aquaman was the only one that ever existed. They managed to make him pretty badass. Every other incarnation I just don't get.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 26 Jul 2014, 16:15
So, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is revieled over at SDCC:
(http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/774/774461.png)
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/136438-Dawn-of-Justices-WONDER-WOMAN-Revealed


Anyways, I wish the folks over at DC/WB could take a look at ther Animated Universe, and specifically the two original Justice League seasons. They got so much right, for a kids' show. The characterizations and dynamic, which is such an important part of the Justice League, arguably the entire point (how would all the superheroes interact with each other?), was just.. right.

Just look at some of these scenes:
Bruce isn't always right (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZACe_BZSzM)
Superman lives in a world of cardboard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPYl1OQoqk)
Flash is awsome, Flash & Substance is my favorite episdoe (get rekt Orion!) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dQBLAWslLk)

ALSO THEY NEED TO USE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE ANIMATED THEME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAsDL7f3veM) BECAUSE THAT IS THE BEST THING EVER!!!!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jul 2014, 05:08
Costume is good. She's too skinny. But then Hollywood would never cast someone of the correct build.
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Post by: Welu on 27 Jul 2014, 12:02
Gail Simone shared an interesting post regarding their size. (http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/93027170820/thebanegrimm-left-is-the-new-wonder-woman)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jul 2014, 12:12
Well that's a very black and white way of looking at it. Also I never said 'weak,' not that you were necessarily throwing an accusation out at me.

Wonder Woman is an amazon.

A quick Google of that definition.

'amazon
An amazon is a big, strong, warrior-like woman, someone who reminds you of the mythical Greek women-warriors, the Amazons.'

Obviously being superpowered means that you don't need to look strong to be strong, that's how these things work. But in that case, why doesn't Superman look like this:
(http://drawception.com/pub/panels/2014/4-16/X5YjhwzDZC-14.png)

Wonderwoman in the comics looks something like this:
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125749/2540693-623109-wonder_woman_super.jpg)

Admittedly, not super muscular, but she's also in the books tall enough to tower over most men and physically wider.

Far as I'm concerned, Wonderwoman in a movie should be someone who looks something like Chyna did 15 years ago or so:
(http://api.ning.com/files/zOxOn5w0LZVuzuWmPArGXcduSpDg5v3ACu3-BI2Hpir9PPF37X3zlNmgle5dsrfC0Mmxb3fNlcML6cS5M*KsLaX8Lm5Dvcpk/chyna2.jpg)

I don't think I'm totally insane in that thought pattern.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 27 Jul 2014, 12:15
I agree that I would rather see a WonderWoman more in the realm of looking like Chyna as well but I also admit I was thinking the film WonderWoman looked "frail" which was the exact word in that post, so that's why I thought it was worth sharing.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 27 Jul 2014, 12:19
Also those heels are annoying me so much. Other than that, I quite like the design.
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Post by: Kugai on 27 Jul 2014, 15:04
Oh, and one more thing never piss WW off on her day off (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsS1MPnA-vs)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 27 Jul 2014, 15:20
Question: can Wonder Woman fly? In most recent incarnations she can, in some she can't. It would make her sort of just "female Superman", but on the other hand, making her unable to fly could could make her seem sort of lesser than the Man of Steel and others.. It all really depends on the movie and how it's directed and who's there imo. If for example GL and a lot of other flying heroes are present, it might disempower her a little, not being able to keep up with the ones who can fly.. But if it's only Superman, then I think it's ok for him to have that distinct power. I guess it would also depend on whether the movie has a lot of scenes where flying would be a big advantage.

I suppose they'll let her be able to fly, but I hope they make it somehow distinctive to how Superman flies. While Superman just hovers and defies gravity, maybe they could make her flight a bit more aggressive and affected by gravity? IE, slam down on the ground like a bad-ass while Supes smoothly halts to a stop a foot above the ground.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Jul 2014, 15:27
As you say, it depends on the incarnation.

In the TV Series, she had the Invisible Plane but had no ability to fly herself

I think they gave her that ability in the JL and JLU Series because she was part of a group that, in the majority, had the ability to fly, in JL especially it was Flash and Batman that were basically grounded (and with Bats, that wasn't always the case, even though he used 'Cape Tech' to get airborne occasionally).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 27 Jul 2014, 16:29
She looks very Xena-esque, which leads to this (http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/27/5942467/wonder-woman-costume-gal-gadot-xena)
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Post by: Lines on 27 Jul 2014, 19:43
Minus the heels, I love her costume. Certainly better than most of the comic and cartoon versions.

Also re: Sandman movie - I have absolutely no idea how it fits, but damn it I want it so bad. They had better not fuck it up. It's my favorite. T-T
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Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2014, 20:26
Lisa: Wait a minute, Xena can't fly!
LL: I told you, I'm not Xena, I'm Lucy Lawless.
Lisa: Oh.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 Aug 2014, 17:25
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Captain America Beats Up Batman, WB Changes Dawn of Justice Release Date (http://www.themarysue.com/captain-america-beats-up-batman-wb-changes-dawn-of-justice-release-date/)
WB flinched. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice is no longer sharing a release date with Captain America 3. Anyone surprised?
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Post by: Kugai on 06 Aug 2014, 19:18
Nope
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lupercal on 11 Aug 2014, 04:45
Strange that the DC stuff is all out of whack. When Marvel was just beginning it's MCU plan in 2008 with Iron Man and Hulk, we hit peak Batman (Dark Knight), and new lows of X-Men (Origins, 2009). I'm not surprised they don't want to contend with any "big" names from the MCU. Especially another sequel.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Aug 2014, 18:57
Ehhh...I wouldn't say Origins was worse than X3.
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Post by: Thrillho on 12 Aug 2014, 00:52
Then you're out of your mind. Origins is a million times worse than X3. Apart from anything else it shits all over the continuity of the previous few films too.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Aug 2014, 04:27
Yeah, you're right. I think it's more I expected Origins to be bad but I had high hopes for X3 (since X2 was so good).
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Post by: Thrillho on 12 Aug 2014, 04:45
Expectations can make a huge difference. I suspect the whole reason I found Movie 43 to be okay was that I expected it to be the worst thing I'd ever seen.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 15 Oct 2014, 15:15
So, lots of stuff happening. Flash has been announced and cast (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57874585), featuring not the guy from the TV shows. It's also set to come out in 2018, but he'll probably be in the JL movie before that?! For those curious, the one who'll portray (presumably) Barry Allen is Ezra Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Miller), the gay dude in Perks of Being a Wallflower. Great actor, not my first thought for a superhero movie tho.

They also possibly revealed some stuff about Wonder Woman's origins (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/138017-Did-Producer-Reveal-Wonder-Womans-Origin-In-Batman-V-Superman).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Oct 2014, 00:00
Not a single thing announced about the DC movies has made me remotely excited.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Oct 2014, 07:02
Usually for me the opposite really. I heard that they were thinking of doing a Legion of Superheroes movie and my first, second and third reactions were 'Oh dear deities please no.. don't ruin the Legion too.' All of their movies and tv shows of late seem determined to just suck all the joy and fun out of their comics characters of late, with the possible exception of the Flash tv show. The jury is still out on that.. it's darker than the source material but not 'omg soul crushing bottomless pit of humorless eternal darkness' levels like they seem determined to do with their IPs.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Oct 2014, 20:36
I really quite like Arrow, it got better near the end of season 1. I enjoy Flash so far, too.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 28 Oct 2014, 09:54
In really, really, really awful casting news, rumor has it that Jaden Smith may be cast as Virgil Hawkins
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Oct 2014, 10:04
Usually for me the opposite really. I heard that they were thinking of doing a Legion of Superheroes movie and my first, second and third reactions were 'Oh dear deities please no.. don't ruin the Legion too.' All of their movies and tv shows of late seem determined to just suck all the joy and fun out of their comics characters of late...

It's odd. The MCU has invariably been a positive and enjoyable experience that has had excellent story-telling, characterisation and remain (and this is important) fun. For some reason the emergent DCU seems dark, negative, depressing and almost Millerite in its general disdain for the concept of heroism as a positive force.

What is more, it is genuinely not fun. Because of this, watching it is a chore for me and that is an immediate danger sign for any TV show or movie series.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2014, 14:48
In really, really, really awful casting news, rumor has it that Jaden Smith may be cast as Virgil Hawkins
What :psyduck:

To be fair, I keep having to remind myself he's not like...seven.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Dec 2014, 16:21
The cast of Warner's Suicide Squad movie is out:

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/388379-its-official-meet-the-cast-of-dc-comics-suicide-squad

Most of these we've more or less heard before, I think. Must say, I'm kinda excited to see how all their odd casting will pay out for DC. Is it just to grab attention, or do they have some special vision? (Lol, Warner/DC having a vision would indicate they have a plan :roll:)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Dec 2014, 16:43
Ha. Good luck Jared.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Dec 2014, 18:26
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Dec 2014, 19:24
One thing, Enchantress?! Isn't that a Thor villain?! Blonde bombshell sorceress clad in green and wearing some crown-like headgear? How can those two be so similar, and literally have the same name, without there being copyright issues?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Dec 2014, 06:20
Eh, they're different enough. One started out as a hero and turned into a villain, while the other has always been a villain. I do like the DC Enchantress just cause she was part of the amazing Shadowpact, and I guess she's gained more prominence because of Justice League Dark
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 03 Dec 2014, 06:58
Still, the name tho. Too minor a character for there to be copyright issues? That's probably going to change when they put her in a high profile movie tho..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2014, 09:53
Still, the name tho. Too minor a character for there to be copyright issues? That's probably going to change when they put her in a high profile movie tho..

The MCU guys can tap-dance around it by just using their Enchantress's given name. MCU tends towards using given names over code-names anyway. I think that Clint Barton's codename was used precisely once in Avengers 1 and, IIRC, that was in mockery.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Dec 2014, 17:49
I think the issue is more a matter of two very similar characters existing all this time without a legal slugfest going on. As far as I can tell, DC's Enchantress is less well known than Marvel's. I am kind of thinking she might have been named checked in the Agents of Shield episode that had Sif and Lorelei in it as well, but as Amora.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 15 Dec 2014, 06:44
So, Amy Adams, mentioned in some interview that there won't be any kind of romantic triangle w. Clark, Diana & Lois.
Oh man, I was looking forward to them taking ques after the recent Supes/WW shipping of the comics. Certainly that was what the movies needed. They could have ended the Clark/Lois romance in a similarly excellent way as The Amazing Spider-Man 2. DRAMA, TENSION, TRAGEDY, ROMANCE!

But alas.

I think the issue is more a matter of two very similar characters existing all this time without a legal slugfest going on.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Dec 2014, 10:49
So, Amy Adams, mentioned in some interview that there won't be any kind of romantic triangle w. Clark, Diana & Loins.

O.o
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Dec 2014, 10:57
So, Amy Adams, mentioned in some interview that there won't be any kind of romantic triangle w. Clark, Diana & Loins.

O.o

Ah! The wonders of auto-correct/auto-complete!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 15 Dec 2014, 11:58
Oh.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Dec 2014, 12:48
So, Amy Adams, mentioned in some interview that there won't be any kind of romantic triangle w. Clark, Diana & Loins.

O.o

Ah! The wonders of auto-correct/auto-complete!
Clark Kent's loins.

Mmm
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Dec 2014, 13:32
And what about his Buns of Steel?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Dec 2014, 13:54
All those years in Kansas and he sitll can't bake.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Stoon on 15 Dec 2014, 16:37
, Woman of Kleenex (http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 15 Dec 2014, 18:04
Why did I read that?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Dec 2014, 18:32
Makes me think of Brodie from Mallrats. He seemed to think Wonder Woman's body would be strong enough to not be killed by the high velocity sperm, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Dec 2014, 22:12
Subject that mainstream fails to touch

WW, or Diana, daughter of Hyppolita, was 'Born' and raised on a hidden Island of women.

No men

Just women.


Connect the dots.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Dec 2014, 05:37
Diana's always been unusual for leaving the island, although if JL/JLU are any indication her and BATMAN are made for each other.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Dec 2014, 05:46
I much prefer that version of Wonder Woman. I have absolutely zero desire to see her hook up with Superman.

Nor do I want her to be some Sapphic fantasy for the inevitably male writers. If they can write her as a believable, compelling lesbian then sure, fuck it, that'd actually be a good thing and break down some barriers, but given that the DC movies at the moment can't even be trusted to make a comic-coherent movie at all...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Dec 2014, 05:48
Diana's always been unusual for leaving the island, although if JL/JLU are any indication her and BATMAN are made for each other.

Philip Jose Farmer, who was a serious comic books nerd as well as a brilliant sci-fi writer, was working on something he called "The Wold Newton Universe", an attempt to rationalise and combine every single comics continuity in English-speaking literature, at the time of his death.

He suggested that, whilst the Amazons may have been culturally lesbians (this wouldn't have been a serious issue in a Hellenic culture that didn't have the Judeo-Christian rejection of homosexuality), they regularly raided neighbouring countries or conveniently nearby fishing grounds to obtain... er... 'breeding stock'. These were invariably liquidated after completing their task because, again culturally, Amazons traditionally view men in general as inherently inferior; few are considered 'worthy' in their eyes and those are most notable beings indeed.

Based on this, Diana's willingness to develop a lasting and two-way relationship with a Man was considered shocking to say the least. The fact that her younger sister, Donna, actually married was a major scandal, although Hyppolyta recognised the marriage and even let Donna wear the variant on their people's traditional bracelets that indicated that she had 'willingly enslaved' herself to a man and therefore did not need rescuing.

I also note that, in all versions of the comics canon of which I am aware, Diana and her younger sister are not human but golems - magically-vivified statues. This has the interesting consequence that any ship including Wonder Woman instantly becomes a robot-ship. Despite being arguably an AI, she is one of her world's greatest heroes and held in equal esteem to her fully-biological colleagues. I wonder if Diana is one of Momo's personal heroines?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Dec 2014, 07:44
I would argue against the golem orgin of Diana impling that she is a robot by any definition. She was a clay statue that the gods brought to life for Hippolyta. She was not an animated statue but a real, living and breathing human being. Just of unusual origin. The New 52 version of her back story is much simpler though, and probably what they will go with since it is the current version, if it's mentioned at all. Diana is a result of a tryst between Hippolyta and Ares, making her a demi-goddess.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 16 Dec 2014, 17:49
Wouldn't it be typical if they did some stupid retcon to tie everything together, like Diana's dad being the old king of Atlantis (Khal Drogo's father) or somthing?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 25 Mar 2015, 11:44
Lex Luthor revealed (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/423029-jesse-eisenbergs-lex-luthor-from-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-revealed)

Whaddya know, Eissenberg kinda looks like Luthor.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Mar 2015, 13:59
I am really going to expect Aquaman to start raping people and cutting heads off.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 25 Mar 2015, 14:19
DOTHRAKI DOES NOT TRAVEL ON THE UNDRINKABLE WATER, AND SURELY NOT BELLOW IT!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 18 Apr 2015, 04:30
"Tell me.. do you bleed? You will!"
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Apr 2015, 05:11
That looks okay. Might catch it on DVD. Or Netflix. I never rated Bale much as Batman or Bruce Wayne (Keaton and Conroy FTW) and Affleck can ACT.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 18 Apr 2015, 05:16
I watched the Ant-man trailer around the same time I watched this one, and I much prefer the Ant-man one
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Apr 2015, 21:44
Yeah, I watched the BvS trailer, then immediately went and watched the new Star Wars trailer for the 15th or 20th time.  As skeptical as I am about Abrams, at least his movie doesn't look like a joyless chore to watch.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Apr 2015, 20:37
So, um, I wrote a thing.

It came again, my planet's hour of need.
I suited up, prepared, perhaps, to kill.
I asked the god above me, "Do you bleed?"
And answered my own question with "You will."
What need have we of heroes wearing capes
When those they try to rescue are laid low?
You saw the footage of that cityscape
In ruins when, at last, he felled his foe!
Now all the world awaits on bended knee
To see what other blessings he bestows.
How many will live long enough to flee
When next he with an enemy trades blows?
And so, out from my banishment I rise
To tear this cursèd savior from your skies.

Why I wrote this thing about the Batman v. Superman trailer, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Apr 2015, 23:47
Not so sure of all that 'AngstyDark' Mode in the Trailer, but The Bat was always a 'Reality Check' for the Kryptonian.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Apr 2015, 02:08
Not so sure of all that 'AngstyDark' Mode in the Trailer, but The Bat was always a 'Reality Check' for the Kryptonian.

The only part of the otherwise-repulsively misanthropic The Dark Knight Returns that I like is Bruce wiping the floor with Clark as a prelude to his faking his own death. It is a moment that so quintessentially captures the insane levels of preparation, long-term strategy and technical sophistication that underlies The Batman's mission that it deserves recognition, even if I'd be happy if the rest of that vile screed was pulped.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 24 Apr 2015, 18:48
First look at Jared Leto's Joker (https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/591761248859123713)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDZbuEiUUAAtGQb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 24 Apr 2015, 19:30
Yeah... I'm really not feeling it. It looks more like someone who's a psycho stalker fanboy of the Joker than anything else. "Trying to hard to look crazy" comes to mind. Sure, the Joker is around the bend insane, but he also had a sense of style and dressed well, if in odd colors. I could see this as one of Batman Beyond's Jokerz gang.. but not Mister J himself.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Apr 2015, 23:53
Yeah, it looks like the DCCU is sliding down the same over-exaggeration black hole that killed the 90's Batman movie franchise. That this is happening in the second movie is a very bad thing.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 25 Apr 2015, 03:14
Batman's costume sucks.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 25 Apr 2015, 10:36
His teeth are freaking me out.

Meaning poor dental hygiene is more terrifying than the Joker and that's not a good thing. Especially since he's one of my favorite villains.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 25 Apr 2015, 20:00
Yeah... I'm really not feeling it. It looks more like someone who's a psycho stalker fanboy of the Joker than anything else. "Trying to hard to look crazy" comes to mind. Sure, the Joker is around the bend insane, but he also had a sense of style and dressed well, if in odd colors. I could see this as one of Batman Beyond's Jokerz gang.. but not Mister J himself.

Agreed. Still too early to give a full judgement, but from what I see, it doesn't look all that right..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 25 Apr 2015, 21:31
I think the hard thing is that Heath Ledger set a whole new bar for The Joker that's gonna be VERY hard to follow.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 25 Apr 2015, 23:57
Here's a question for you



What if Man Of Steel were in colour? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-eYiD9OfM)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 27 Apr 2015, 09:43
I think the hard thing is that Heath Ledger set a whole new bar for The Joker that's gonna be VERY hard to follow.

I think that's why they're going for something so different to try and make the new one stand on its own as much as possible from the start.

It kind of reminds me of that awesome Joker cosplayer, Anthony Misiano. (https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10408851_799278356780462_6837845039271106926_n.jpg?oh=dac3edad7d7bfe309108135f091ce8b9&oe=559B69BB)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Apr 2015, 10:02
But when you do that you have to be careful not to go to far, make to many changes. Otherwise the character becomes barely recognizable for who he is.

Which is pretty much what the DCAU has been doing with just about everyone who isn't named 'Batman' for many years now....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 10:13
How so? I haven't really seen any DCAU in the past decade (since JLU ended).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Apr 2015, 10:20
See all the flak over the last Superman movie, that is I guess the first of the official DCAU. I don't think they are using the continuity from the Nolan Batman films? Also see the last of those films, especially Bane's changes. Then look at all the characters  who have been revealed so far. Tattooed punk Aquaman and tattooed punk Joker....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 10:57
Oh! No, DCAU = DC Animated Universe (Batman/Superman: the Animated Series, Justice League, etc). I guess that's why your post confused me.

I guess the MoS is the first of the DCCU?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Apr 2015, 11:02
yeah.. I realized I was getting the acronyms wrong.. DCMU should have been. The animated universe stuff has been consistently awesome when they aren't cancelling it for stupid reasons. I'm not sure I would put the Teen Titans Go into the DCAU though. The tone of it is way different than things like Justice League, the various movies or Young Justice. I wish the live movie people would take a few pages from the animated movie people...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 12:32
Movie Universe instead of Cinematic Universe?

That being said, I agree. Hell, I would love if Kevin Conroy were Batman in a live action movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Apr 2015, 13:44
(http://www.dcplanet.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/kevin-conroy.jpg)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 15:16
He isn't wearing hockey pants.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Apr 2015, 21:46
That's Hockey PADS
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 21:54
So I've heard, but I remember hearing hockey pants, and hockey pants is SO MUCH FUNNIER. So fuck everyone, it's hockey pants.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 28 Apr 2015, 18:20
Apparently the Joker is not actually going to be a juggalo (which swipe tried to spell as jello, haha!). I'm mildly relieved.

But really, I wish they would have just hired that cosplayer Welu linked. Nothing against Leto, as I've only seen him in like 3 movies, but what I did see of his actual costume was not as good as the cosplay.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Apr 2015, 20:36
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they saw the massive blow-back on his look and scrambled to make changes. Which is the second smartest thing they could have done. You just don't release a promotional image of a character with a 'here's a first look folks!' if that wasn't pretty much what he was going to look like. So the only logical answer to me is that they saw the reaction and went 'oh crap' into PR crisis mode.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: hazlett on 28 Apr 2015, 20:58
I still like the original movie though this remake have lots of visual effects than the original.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 May 2015, 16:14
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEHeJU3WAAA5H0S.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 03 May 2015, 16:49
Woah Will Smith looks pretty badass!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 07 May 2015, 23:15
And on a further note, it's apparently confirmed there will be a Supergirl Live Action Series

http://www.epictimes.com/2015/05/supergirl-gets-green-light-at-cbs-for-2015-2016-season/
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 May 2015, 09:05
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/6c851dd9a26c267b392923bba80bff2f/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo4_500.gif) (http://31.media.tumblr.com/0683cda4e686ed7ad29be2597fbd42a1/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo3_500.gif)
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/c9b9463967a4cb03377191671a9661f2/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo2_500.gif) (http://33.media.tumblr.com/f4132eb435a62a8a792e8a7c43a758bb/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo1_540.gif)
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/f79638b806c18dcb1eb8b929fe4b6b91/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo5_540.gif) (http://38.media.tumblr.com/1c79dfa08703acebb2482c5bf9b43584/tumblr_nog26o2hEK1ro4y9uo6_540.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 May 2015, 09:53
"Capes are lame, tell your cousin I said so. Actually, never, never do that."

That guy's a shit, but that was a good line :parrot:

My one complaint? They didn't get Portia de Rossi to play Kara's boss.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 May 2015, 09:56
My only complaint is that they should make the costume lighter, the same complaint I had with Man of Steel's costume
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 May 2015, 13:56
And here I thought I couldn't love Fergus any more... I was wrong. :)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 May 2015, 13:45
This hurts my soul
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/c240741f065bdc3db249eb015c7a9489/tumblr_noq45sAyI01upfu3oo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 May 2015, 14:09
I'm afraid to ask what that's from...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Torlek on 22 May 2015, 17:51
Something that should have been abandoned to the sands of time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_of_America_%281997_film%29). The 90's were a really bad time for superheros.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2015, 22:56
Dang, that was only 3 years before X-Men.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ChaoSera on 28 May 2015, 03:17
I just saw Men of Steel for the first time yesterday (Yes, that late). I honestly liked the parts on Krypton by far the most, the rest was kinda boring, despite the good action scenes. My opinion might be somewhat biased because I was never a fan of Superman but I would love to see a movie playing out just on Krypton.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 May 2015, 04:36
I forget if I've said this in this thread but damn it, I want a Red Son movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 28 May 2015, 07:15
I want a Red Son movie.

Best ending of an alternate universe Superman story.

Ever.

Of all time.

I loved Superman's last words to Lex Luthor. Utterly chilling but also the words of one chess-playing genius megalomaniac to another.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: mikmaxs on 28 May 2015, 10:11
I wouldn't have minded the Krypton scenes if they weren't so incredibly pointless and irrelevant. We learn that: 1, Zod is a bad guy, which shouldn't take half an hour to establish and 2, Superman was a baby from Krypton sent to earth, which we already knew.

Ultimately, it was the poorly assembled plot and poorly assembled final fight that killed the movie for me.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 28 May 2015, 11:29
The Krypton scenes were WAAAAY too long. This movie had too much Russell Crowe. If they had taken half the time spent with Russell Crowe on Krypton, or speaking with Russell Crowe's ghost on various space ships, and instead spent that time on Clark growing up and traveling the country, then I think it would have been a much better movie.

The story of Clark traveling around searching for himself, becoming somewhat of an urban legend, and all that (y'know the stuff that was actually advertised in the trailers) sounded like a much better movie than what we actually got.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 Jun 2015, 14:42
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Jun 2015, 15:10
Definitely going for a much darker take. I mean.. I liked the video. The fan girl in me just wishes they hadn't used Harley Quinn as the villain here. Though I could honestly see her insanity going there had circumstances of her life been different, as they clearly were. But I'm not sure she would have taken the Harley Quinn look and identity like that without the Joker to tip it off. There is her name of course, that could be enough to set up a 'Harley Quinn' identity. But her crimes and insanity don't fit the motif...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Jun 2015, 15:19
Well!!

He certainly was a BATman  :-D
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Jun 2015, 18:14
It's also not Bruce in this world, but Kirk Langstrom (Man-Bat on Earth-1) who turned himself into a vampire. I get the feeling he doesn't have a lot of 'repeat' villains....

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/8/8746607/justice-league-gods-and-monsters-batman
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 12 Jul 2015, 14:36
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 14 Jul 2015, 04:15
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 14 Jul 2015, 11:15
Viola Davis is a boss. Joker still looks like a juggalo and I'm not happy about it. Harley looks like she'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Jul 2015, 11:43
I don't know... I just can't get that excited about the movies, no matter how much I may like to. Sure the 'Grim Dark and Gritty' feel DC has been doing with it's movies first for Batman and Suicide Squad. But not everyone else. It just makes the whole superhero thing seem dreary. I find the timing of releasing Suicide Squad to be odd as well. Unless I'm wrong, this is another setting reboot. Nolan's Batman films are not canon. The DC television series are not canon. Batman seems to have existed in some form before Superman made his big public appearance, going by the videos. But didn't seem that big a deal. So there have apparently been very few super heroes publicly known... Why is Waller gathering a bunch of super villains? Most of which just aren't super. They're highly trained and/or insane criminals... but not super. Only Killer Croc and Enchantress seem to have any powers, the rest are just good fighters with weapons. I suppose it could be waved that these were people Batman fought before.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2015, 11:47
Wait, maybe I'm misreading it, but from the look of the BvS trailer, Batman's inspired to become Batman as a response to Superman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 14 Jul 2015, 12:09
Wait, maybe I'm misreading it, but from the look of the BvS trailer, Batman's inspired to become Batman as a response to Superman.
Nope, he was already Batman, thats why he looks at the Robin suit thats all torn up with the Joker's writing all over it.  Lots of people think it was Jason Todd.  This is more like perhaps he is taking up the cowl again.

(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markhughes/files/2015/07/Batman-v-Superman-SDCC-trailer-1-1940x847.png)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Jul 2015, 12:32
It does seem somewhat implied in the trailer, but he already had the gear by the looks of it. It was just in storage maybe. Which is also odd, the idea that Batman would ever give it up, even for a while. Being Batman is kind of the core part of his identity.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2015, 12:35
Well he was Batman in Gotham, now he's going to Metropolis, maybe?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 14 Jul 2015, 12:56
That could be too. Like instead of retiring, he's just transferring for now.  JL by the end of the movie me thinks.
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Post by: Kugai on 14 Jul 2015, 15:19
Throw Diana, daughter of Hippolyte into the mix, and I think you're right.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jul 2015, 18:43
She showed up for like half a second, I wish we could see more.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 14 Jul 2015, 19:56
Why is Waller gathering a bunch of super villains?

In canon, it's a response to the Justice League. Which makes sense. I don't really know why they're doing this movie before any actual Justice League movies, because I feel like responding just to Superman, and to an extent Batman, feels premature.

Also in regards to powers, there are a lot of people in this universe that don't have powers.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Jul 2015, 20:17
I guess I wasn't clear enough. Why now, when there are almost no known super powered individuals, is she recruiting a team of mostly crazy but talented normals to do black ops instead of you know.. Turning to the government's black ops teams. She doesn't have the reasoning that they are needed to deal with super powered threats or political enemies that they can't touch with normal troops. It can't be to stop Superman. None of the Suicide Squad could even touch him. Batman? Maybe. But why recruit his rogue's gallery, when he probably put them in jail in the first place. There just isn't a reason given yet why they would need the Suicide Squad, or even why someone would think up the idea. The only thing I can think of is they plan to send them on literal suicide missions, because they are 'expendable assets'. For anything else, the ordinary military could do what they can do, almost certainly better and with less risk involved.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 15 Jul 2015, 03:46
Like I said, is supposed to be a response to The Justice League (which isn't formed yet in the movie universe), so her forming it is too premature. I don't know if you ever watched the animated series (it's on Netflix and is one of the best DC animated series imo), but why she's doing it is because she doesn't trust all of these god-like superheroes taking things in their own hands with no one overseeing them. Her reason for villains is stated in the trailer: they have a scapegoat if need be, they won't have an issue with more questionable missions, and if they die... Who will care? The benefit to the villains is reduced sentences for jail time.

Doing the movie now I'm assuming is just to attract more viewers? Canonically it doesn't make sense to do it before a Justice League movie. I think they're trying to complete with all of the big cast Marvel movies planned.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 15 Jul 2015, 04:14
Well in the trailer she did say Superman's appearance seems to have made them come out of the wood-work.  This may explain why she is both putting the team together (as a response to superman and probably Batman as he's been around for awhile, presumably Wonder Woman too!) and why we haven't seen many meta-humans (they're just now coming to the forefront because superman showed up).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Jul 2015, 05:29
Honestly, I still think the DCAU shits all over the MCU.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2015, 07:38
Well, yeah. DCAU>MCU>DCCU...for now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Lines on 15 Jul 2015, 09:45
Honestly, I still think the DCAU shits all over the MCU.

I totally agree. DCAU is done SO well. If DC does anything right, it's definitely animation.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Jul 2015, 10:57
If only they would let the people who do their animated shows and movies do their live action stuff.

Well Some of them anyway.

I do not want to see a live action  version of Teen Titans Go, thank you.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 15 Jul 2015, 11:21
Well with introducing magic in the DCCU with Enchantress perhaps we will see Raven?

Also Ryan Reynolds making a crack about the Green Lantern costume in the Deadpool trailer was spot on.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Jul 2015, 12:49
Raven is going to be in the Teen Titans live action show. But that's not part of the DCCU of course. We do have Wonder Woman in Dawn of Justice, so we know magic is going to be part of the setting. Really it's not like they could avoid it. Magic has been a part of comics for a long time. It got sidestepped by the Thor movies with the 'any sufficiently advanced technology' reasoning. But we've also got Doctor Strange coming for them.. You can't say he's not magic.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2015, 12:54
Part of me wishes they'd incorporate the Flash and Arrow into the DCCU...but part of me worries that'd fuck up the shows.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 15 Jul 2015, 13:13
Well with introducing magic in the DCCU with Enchantress perhaps we will see Raven?

Also Ryan Reynolds making a crack about the Green Lantern costume in the Deadpool trailer was spot on.

I didn't even know that was supposed to be Enchantress considering she looks like this in the comics
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Enchantress.png/250px-Enchantress.png)
(http://images.techtimes.com/data/images/full/78817/enchantress-jpg.jpg?w=600)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Jul 2015, 13:54
I do not want to see a live action  version of Teen Titans Go, thank you.


Neither do I since that that show dumbed down the original Teen Titans show.

Better things could be done with the TT in a live action show if it's allowed to follow the formula that DC has set up in the last few years, and while this may be a personal preference by me since I'm a fan of Yuri, I'd like to see them take things in a direction that realistically hooked Raven with Starfire

But that's just me.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Jul 2015, 17:32
I am doubly irritated by Teen Titans Go because it was the replacement of Young Justice, which was an absolutely stellar show canceled for the stupidest reason. Plus the fact that they took an occasional funny joke from the TT cartoon, the chibi forms, and made a show around it. Toning down the heroics in favor of pre-teen friendly slapstick. That said, I am interested in the live action show. The Titans were always my second favorite DC team, after the Legion of Super Heroes. Now if they made a Legion live action show I would squee myself silly.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Dec 2015, 21:43
Didn't want to start a new Thread on this, but the second BvS Trailer is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fis-9Zqu2Ro
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Dec 2015, 21:56
There are complaints I wanna make, but I guess having Wonder Woman (and fucking Doomsday?) in the trailer kind of overshadow them.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2015, 02:18
Welp!
I'll put it this way: If it's good, it will be epic and may save the DCCU in the eyes of many fans who despised Man of Steel. If it's bad, it will put DC live action features on the back-burner for another 10 years.

IMO, I would have killed or minimised 'Batman vs. Superman' and focussed on 'Dawn of Justice'.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Dec 2015, 08:45
The kid is their Lex Luthor. Technically I think it's supposed to be Alexander Luthor, the Lex everyone know's son. I know, kind of stupid.

Is that officially supposed to be Doomsday? From the scenes leading up to his appearance, it looked like Lex was reviving one of the Kryptonians, or maybe Zod himself. Kept in cold storage by the government most likely.

I still don't like that they are billing this as a dark and gritty world, and a punch up between Superman and Batman until a bigger threat shows up. I just don't buy it, it makes both characters to myopic. "He doesn't act like me, so he must be eviiiiil despite all actual evidence to the contrary.'. Bats and Supes were always two sides of the mirror of justice. Their methods and attitudes, as well as the enemies they fought may be different. but they share so much. Two people orphaned at a young age who had the power and ability to make their world better, and felt honor bound to do so, even... and especially when doing the right thing is the hardest thing you can do, and some people will hate you for it. They may be very different, but they understand each other, and have enough respect for each other to not let their differences turn them against each other.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 03 Dec 2015, 11:42
question... the hell are these?
(http://i.imgur.com/HY9eZqO.jpg)

Darkseid minions?  Is that Doomsday actually Darkseid?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Dec 2015, 12:40
I think that the Luthor in this film has done with Zods DNA what Hackman did in that Reeve Superman film and created that monster.


And I think those guys are part of the dream/nightmare sequence they used as a brief Teaser.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Dec 2015, 13:48
They look like parademons, honestly. Darkseid's foot soldiers. Or 'wing soldiers' I guess.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Dec 2015, 14:19
I already feel like the DCCU is a clusterfuck compared to its Marvel counterpart.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Dec 2015, 18:06
It's a shame they don't have the people working on the Arrowverse doing their movies. Then again, if they merged the TV and movie universes, that might hurt the TV shows more than help the movies.

(Don't even get me started on that Supergirl show, I've only seen the first two episodes but what a piece of shit)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Dec 2015, 19:33
I don't get why they would show Doomsday or Wonder Woman. Wouldn't those be the things you would want to save for people to see?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Dec 2015, 19:55
Wonder Woman I get, Doomsday seems like too much to share.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Dec 2015, 06:06
I agree with that. Wonder Woman we knew was appearing in the movie. And honestly, her costume and look is the best thing I can see in the movie so far. The rest just makes me sigh or roll my eyes. Doomsday though was not a reveal they should have made. We already had enough conflict happening with BvS and Lex.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 08 Dec 2015, 09:48
What if...the scenes with superman being a bad guy (with the nazi supermen henchmen and kneeling to Lex Luther, etc) is Bizzarro.  You can even see him behind Luther when he starts the machine to create Doomsday.  Thats why Wonder Woman and Batman (also the events of Man of Steel) are after Superman...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 18 Mar 2016, 16:45
Full Batman v Superman soundtrack released (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/667883-listen-to-the-full-batman-v-superman-soundtrack#/slide/1)

From what I've heard, this sounds like a great soundtrack.. for a batman movie. It sounds very inspired by the animated Batman theme(s) and the Arkham games. I haven't listened to all of them tho..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 23 Mar 2016, 06:50
BvS reviews are out, from what I can tell on RottenTomatoes and Metacritic, the general response is pretty lukewarm. Som good to great elements, but the overall movie seems to be a bit of a mess.

Goddammit DC/Warner/David Goyer.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 23 Mar 2016, 07:00
Pretty much what I was expecting, with their movies up to this point and the previews. Anywhere from 'meh' to 'why did they even bother?' Honestly, the only reason I want to see it is for Wonder Woman... So I'll wait for a cheap matinee.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 23 Mar 2016, 14:05
I just watched Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and the movie was even more of a mess than the title..
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Mar 2016, 05:14
I would strongly disagree that there's not much plot spoilers there, there was a major plot spoiler at the end of that post.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 24 Mar 2016, 07:04
I guess, but not really anything you haven't seen in the trailers.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Mar 2016, 07:51
Is that in the trailer? That seems dumb.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 24 Mar 2016, 10:09
If you're referring to Doomsday, then yeah. And yeah.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Mar 2016, 20:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yo0MGR2kmA
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 30 Mar 2016, 13:00
(http://i.imgur.com/uufkcv3.png)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Apr 2016, 06:38
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxYsSh70b3h7L57y/giphy.gif)

I finally saw it last night and thought it was okay, a definite improvement over Man of Steel but that didn't take much (like everyone has been saying). Affleck and Gadot killed it, she was the one I was more worried about but her performance as Wonder Woman was stellar and I can't wait for her movie coming soon. I even liked Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, a different take from the more traditional Luthor  but I liked his often creepy menace. I liked that he started out somewhat subtle and by the end says, "Fuck it, I straight up hate you." Overall I think the loser was Superman, Zack Snyder is not good at using or interpreting Superman. All it seems like Superman does in the movie is be a gorgeous idiot, unable to do anything even with all his powers or royally messing things up.

The movie itself lacks cohesion, jumping from scene to scene at a frantic pace trying to fit things in. Some times it'll jump to a dream sequence without any kind of warning or explanation

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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Apr 2016, 07:49
As of Saturday night, BvS's second weekend takings are trending down about 70% from the first weekend, one of the steeper drops in cinematic history and tying X-Men Origins: Wolverine for the biggest audience walk-away in superhero movies history.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 03 Apr 2016, 09:40
I finally saw it last night and thought it was okay, a definite improvement over Man of Steel but that didn't take much (like everyone has been saying). Affleck and Gadot killed it, she was the one I was more worried about but her performance as Wonder Woman was stellar and I can't wait for her movie coming soon. I even liked Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, a different take from the more traditional Luthor  but I liked his often creepy menace. I liked that he started out somewhat subtle and by the end says, "Fuck it, I straight up hate you." Overall I think the loser was Superman, Zack Snyder is not good at using or interpreting Superman. All it seems like Superman does in the movie is be a gorgeous idiot, unable to do anything even with all his powers or royally messing things up.

The movie itself lacks cohesion, jumping from scene to scene at a frantic pace trying to fit things in. Some times it'll jump to a dream sequence without any kind of warning or explanation

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"Reason" for killing off Jimmy: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-explains-why-he-killed-off-jimmy-olsen-a6954956.html

Bryan Cranston as Luthor woulda been incredible :( on the other hand, Cranston directed by Snyder would probably have been garbage.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Apr 2016, 09:42
Wait, wait, wait. That was Jimmy Olsen? They could have at least said his fucking name!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Apr 2016, 10:17
Wait.. what? What was this steaming pile of horse dung that I just read? Someone needs to get Zach Snyder and the entire writing team as far from these movies as possible, ASAP.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 03 Apr 2016, 10:39
Wait, wait, wait. That was Jimmy Olsen? They could have at least said his fucking name!

They will, on the super-extended director's cut version or something :o
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 03 Apr 2016, 11:50
Wait, wait, wait. That was Jimmy Olsen? They could have at least said his fucking name!

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL THE CREDITS. I'd heard rumblings to that effect, but I didn't think it would happen so early
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Apr 2016, 11:59
Honestly, I don't care what the credits say. I refuse to believe that was him.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Apr 2016, 14:04
Tar an' feather 'im!!!!
Tar an' feather 'im!!!!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 03 Apr 2016, 17:42
Snyder should probably be a choreographer or cinematographer or something, not a director.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 04 Apr 2016, 12:04
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Apr 2016, 13:13
Would anyone object to me renaming this thread since it's about the entire DCCU now?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 04 Apr 2016, 14:05
That would make sense!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Apr 2016, 14:45
Done!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 05 Apr 2016, 06:50
Hey, you went all the way huh  :laugh:

I wonder how many actually know what DC stands for.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2016, 09:24
They will now!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Apr 2016, 14:04
I will admit I hadn't actually forgotten what it stood for... But it had been so long since I heard it referred to as 'Detective Comics' that I had to stop and think what this was about for a few moments...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2016, 21:26
I forget if this was brought up already (or if I brought it up), but why the fuck would criminals react poorly to criminals had been branded by Batman?

Criminal: Hey, fellow criminal! Batman stopped you from committing crimes, you are therefore my enemy! Even though he probably had a hand in my incarceration as well!

More than pretty much everything else, what the hell?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Apr 2016, 02:42
Hey, you went all the way huh  :laugh:

I wonder how many actually know what DC stands for.

Given it's usually called DC Comics (Detective Comics Comics) I think most people could be forgiven for forgetting...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Apr 2016, 06:02
People also tend to say ATM machine, PIN number, and RAS Syndrome.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 06 Apr 2016, 07:36
Hey, you went all the way huh  :laugh:

I wonder how many actually know what DC stands for.

Given it's usually called DC Comics (Detective Comics Comics) I think most people could be forgiven for forgetting...

That's kinda my point.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 07 Apr 2016, 15:23
I forget if this was brought up already (or if I brought it up), but why the fuck would criminals react poorly to criminals had been branded by Batman?

Criminal: Hey, fellow criminal! Batman stopped you from committing crimes, you are therefore my enemy! Even though he probably had a hand in my incarceration as well!

More than pretty much everything else, what the hell?

From what I remember there's usually a hierarchy in Prison with some crimes being looked down upon more than others, like pedophilia. I guess they thought that someone marked with the Bat's mark must be really bad and killing them would curry favor with Batman

(On a side note, can you believe it's actually curry favor? I would have thought it was some other kind of spelling, but nope, curry. Had to look that one up)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Apr 2016, 07:03
Saw Batman vs Superman on Friday and I have to say, I feel very "meh" about it. I mean, its not the worst superhero film I've seen, but its also nowhere near the best either.

That said, the highlights for me included:
-Jeremy Irons as Alfred, but then he's always gold.
-Lawrence Fishburne as Perry White, again gold.
-And I guess some of the fight scenes...

I don't know, I just felt like it was the cinematic version of a child playing with two toys and bashing them together. Or they were flinging stuff at the wall and seeing what would stick. And don't get me started on the dream sequences...or the number of them. It just felt like an incoherent mess.

Something I have noticed with the DC and Marvel films, it kind of feels like DC are finding people who might seem popular or cool at the moment, compared to Marvel, who search for people who could really be their characters - Robert Downey Jr.'s over-the-top-ness as Tony Stark, Mark Ruffalo's tragic-and-tired turn as Bruce Banner and so on.

At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Apr 2016, 08:12
At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.

Twitter chatter regarding the recent preview showing of Captain America - Civil War has been very positive. If it does extra well compared to BvS, then a major shake-up in DCCU could follow.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 10 Apr 2016, 09:20
Even after Batman vs. Superman I'm very optimistic about Suicide Squad
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Apr 2016, 09:32
At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.

Twitter chatter regarding the recent preview showing of Captain America - Civil War has been very positive. If it does extra well compared to BvS, then a major shake-up in DCCU could follow.

I honestly don't see this. It's like the the success of the MCU movies is a surprise anymore. And honestly, the reasons why they are a success shouldn't be a surprise either. But people keep getting it wrong anyway. The latest was Deadpool being an R rated movie with violence, low brow humor and cursing... HEY! Let's do super hero movies like that because it worked! No... It worked for Deadpool. It doesn't work for Superman. Neither does turning Superman into Superbatman or SuperGrimDarkEmoMan.

The people in charge of the DC live action movies have consistently failed for a very long time because they are blinded by their one success story, Batman. They keep failing to grasp the reasons why. They keeps say "grim and semi-realistic Batman is a big seller, so grim and semi-realistic is the way to go!' Noooo.. People keep telling you. That works for Batman, because it can fit his character. It doesn't work for Superman because that's not his character. It's a matter of respecting the character and staying true to the vision.. That's why each MCU movie can be a success while still being wildly different in tone. They give each character the movie that fits them. They don't try to shoe horn Captain America into a Deadpool style blood and dark humor fest. They have Thor fighting gods and monsters, not dealing with shadowy government organizations in a high tech spy thriller...

And the crazy thing is... The DC animated movies have always been consistently great, and always popular. Because they don't try to reinvent the characters into something they are not.... Well, aside from Teen Titans Go. And the less said about that abomination, the better.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 10 Apr 2016, 12:49
Exactly.

Marvel looks at the overall theme and tone of the character(s) involved and creates a film to fit the character. Look at Guardians of the Galaxy, which was a relatively unknown property before they announced the film. It took in three quarters of a billion dollars (nearly four times its budget!) for what was basically a comedy adventure, of a relatively unknown property. Compare that to Man of Steel, featuring arguably the most famous superhero in fiction and it barely took in three times its budget.

But you're right, DC seems to think that every film needs to be GRIMDARK, it only fits Batman because its his background, his story. Its inherent to the character, but even then Bruce Wayne/Batman is still one of the kindest/most compassionate people in the DC roster. I can only imagine what might happen if they ever introduce Bat-mite; instead of a playful and mischievous imp, we might see some demonic and bloodthirsty demon who feeds off the livers of kids...

 
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Apr 2016, 13:15
I have pointed out elsewhere that before anyone - ANYONE - considers writing anything for Superman, they need to watch the "Can You Read My Mind?" scene in the original Superman movie - at least 1,000 times - before proceeding.

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 10 Apr 2016, 15:19
Or a few scenes from Justice League animated series and the rest of the DCAU.


Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 10 Apr 2016, 15:25
Or this
(https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8e680607834b4f4be75c5061d89141b0?convert_to_webp=true)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 11 Apr 2016, 16:26
Even after Batman vs. Superman I'm very optimistic about Suicide Squad

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Apr 2016, 16:45
Yes please.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Apr 2016, 09:03
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4f27f2c1074a59b3d4dc92828562c75/tumblr_o5wbslGS7l1qbmmf6o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Apr 2016, 10:34
Yeah, I keep reading stories about Leto freaking out the cast and crew with "The Joker According to Chuck Palahniuk"-style pranks, but half of it sounds made up.  Is he really doing all that?  Because it sounds more annoying than freaky, to me at least.  Like, ugh, we get it, you read Fight Club and thought it was deep, get over yourself already.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 Apr 2016, 19:38
I've read a couple of articles where he claims that playing the Joker has really messed him up and that going to that dark place will forever change him.

At that point, I've closed the magazine or I've exited out of the browser. Him claiming that, its an insult. It's an insult to all the other actors who have played the Joker.

Ceser Romero is remembered as a warm and hilarious man who came up with the Joker's laugh by accident. He had an incredibly varied career.

Jack Nicholson is a favourite of journalists and interviewers because of how friendly he is during interviews, despite playing some of the darkest characters in film history (including The Shining).

Heath Ledger, despite the tragedy of his death, was said by Michael Caine to be a man devoted to his daughter and prone to messing about with his skateboard during breaks on The Dark Knight.

Mark Hamill has been playing the Joker for nearly 25 years, in fact his Joker is considered to be the nastiest and most "evil" versions of that character. Away from the role he's...well he's Mark Hamill and one of the nicest and friendliest celebrities, always taking time to talk to fans.

Jared Leto is just using the Joker as an excuse to act like a dickhead.

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 30 Jun 2016, 16:20
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Post by: Kugai on 01 Jul 2016, 16:13
Sounds llike Leto needs a good hard Gibbsmack and a "Cut the shit Jared"
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 Jul 2016, 18:17
I still can't get used to tattooed, metal teeth Joker. Everyone who has played him has had their own take on the character I know. I just don't like this version. Maybe seeing him in action I'll get over how dumb he looks. Maybe he'll tank so bad that the studio will quietly find a new actor and agree to never do that again. But I just expect that I'll wind up disappointed in him.
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Post by: Edguy on 23 Jul 2016, 05:59
SDCC Wonder Woman poster is pretty cool:
(http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/gallery/wonder-woman/13708397_10154313441628926_7147998445574202230_o.jpg)
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Post by: Welu on 23 Jul 2016, 11:15
They're making more use of colour. I like it.
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Post by: Kugai on 23 Jul 2016, 14:47
I think what your looking at is her armor as it looked brand new and in first time use.  By the time of BvS, the years had taken their toll on it despite the careful maintenance and repair that Diana would have put into it over the centuries.

They even mention this in one of the Special Features I ran across on YouTube recently. 
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Post by: Kugai on 23 Jul 2016, 20:21
I'll just leave this here

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-wonder-woman-trailer-is-even-better-than-we-c-1784179306?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Post by: sitnspin on 23 Jul 2016, 20:51
I'm not even a fan of the superhero genre, generally, and the WW trailer still looks really good to me.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 Jul 2016, 06:55


Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Jul 2016, 08:57
I'm sure that there are those who will accuse DC of ripping off Captain America - The First Avenger without realising that this is essentially the original comics origin story of Wonder Woman brought to the big screen. It's a gutsy move on DCCU's part and may alone make me want to see the movie.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2016, 10:07

Pretty damn excited about Justice League, all of a sudden.
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Post by: Kugai on 24 Jul 2016, 13:34
And just for fun, I ran across this on Youtube the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YntRLc2cpM
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Post by: Edguy on 24 Jul 2016, 21:11
Man that theme is so great. It probably not happen, but it would make the movie for me if the somehow used it the upcoming Justice League film.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Jul 2016, 01:34
It occurs to me that, given the time-frame when Wonder Woman is set, plust the established role her legend played in inspiring Batman, Superman and others, DC could have tweaked the MCU's nose by titling the film: "Wonder Woman - The First Superhero". :-D
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Post by: Kugai on 25 Jul 2016, 15:27
I just hope at some stage  they get around to bringing the other three into the JLA
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Post by: Edguy on 25 Jul 2016, 16:37
The other three?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jul 2016, 03:54
Proposal
The recent critically-equivocal Superman and Batman movie would have benefitted from being divided into two parts - 'Superman vs. Batman' and 'Dawn of Justice'.

The first part would have allowed better and more focussed exploration of Luthor's manipulation of the heroes for his own twisted ends and perhaps explore the reapprochment between the two heroes in the aftermath of their abortive duel.

The second part...
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.

Agree? Disagree? Discuss.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Jul 2016, 16:52
The other three?

John Stewart
J'onn J'onzz
Shayera hol
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jul 2016, 20:07
Hahaha, just noticed that Rick and Morty is on a monitor in the background in Barry's lair.
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Post by: Edguy on 26 Jul 2016, 21:42
John Stewart
J'onn J'onzz
Shayera hol

Oh, the animated series. Yeah, I'd definitively be in favor of replacing Cyborg with my man JJ. No, please, not that JJ! :psyduck:
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Jul 2016, 05:15
I thought Cyborg looked pretty good in the trailer. It's still strange to me thinking of him as Justice League though. I grew up and through most of my adulthood he was a core part of the Teen Titans.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: ChaoSera on 27 Jul 2016, 06:04
I'm not very familiar with DC as a whole and usually prefer Marvel.. but damn, I SO wanna see Jason Momoa as Aquaman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 Jul 2016, 17:54
In other news, DC and Warner Brothers have decided to set a few measures to keep Zack Synder in check. Namely, Geoff Johns is going to be in charge of making sure the films are in line with the comics, Ben Affleck is taking over the executive producer role for the Justice League films, while John Berg, one of the top WB executives, is taking over the business side of things. Zack Synder is basically being kicked upstairs to make sure he doesn't get into any more trouble.

Related to Ben Affleck, watching clips of the film and a thought occurred to me. For a man who goes to such drastic lengths to keep his identity secret, you would think that Batman would extend the cowl to COVER THE HIGHLY CONSPICUOUS AND IDENTIFIABLE MOLE ON HIS FACE!!!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 28 Jul 2016, 19:40
That mole is permanently covered in darkness, the blood of his enemies and the sounds of bones breaking.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 30 Jul 2016, 13:00
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/1f1900aee00ff41f5a6fbbe099e2b09f/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo6_250.gif) (http://67.media.tumblr.com/42f4926a5091f2e8717487fe3a03d44c/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo5_250.gif)
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/053dd8f1889f65f309cdae2d2587806d/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo2_250.gif) (http://67.media.tumblr.com/87f3cec6498b796445eb379baa52038b/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo4_250.gif)
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/eed680129d6755162c68b86742d230f3/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo3_250.gif) (http://67.media.tumblr.com/ab2627a26de95dee99b5c746f821db5d/tumblr_ob2y3op0Lf1vsd1kxo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 30 Jul 2016, 13:30
Looking at those facial expressions, you remember what a capital crime it was to have Smith play the most boring, emotionally sterile character ever in that M Night movie..
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Post by: LeeC on 02 Aug 2016, 15:54
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 02 Aug 2016, 18:16
The reviews so far are rather polarized. Seems the critiques are split on this one.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 02 Aug 2016, 18:35
Yeah, I'm getting less excited to see it now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 02 Aug 2016, 20:24
I'm torn about Suicide Squad.
On the one hand, I do like ensemble films like the Dirty Dozen.
But on the other hand, nothing the DCCU has said and/or done has really filled me with any sort of confidence.
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Post by: BenRG on 03 Aug 2016, 02:21
Uh oh. After opening reviews, Suicide Squad is getting 35% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/suicide_squad_2016/). Only one viewer review in so far but it is a mediocre 2/5.

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FWIW, I strongly suspect that the latter two flaws will be positive selling points for the main target demographic (16-24 year-old males). However, DCCU really can't afford too many critical flops. If SS goes belly up then the pressure on Justice League and Wonder Woman to perform will only get stronger with it the risk of heavy-handed executive meddling.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Aug 2016, 10:08
The real problem might be that Warner Brothers might just decide to cut their losses with the DCEU films after Justice League and Wonder Woman.

I mean, at the moment the budget for the first three films in the DCEU has been $650 million and the Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice films have earned $1.5 billion.

Compare that to Marvel, whose budget for Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk Iron Man was $490 million and the three films made $1.47 billion and if Suicide Squad flops, the executives are going to be wondering if its worth it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Aug 2016, 16:33
Don't forget, Hollywood has a looong history of 'Creative Accounting', so I wouldn't put too much store in those figures.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Aug 2016, 16:54
True and they'll swap things around if needs be. But in the end, money talks and if the DCEU films continue like they are, WB might decide to cut their losses.

Of course, this means now that the future of the DCEU lies firmly on the shoulders of the Wonder Woman and the Justice League film, but also how the cinema going public views women led superhero films. Catwoman bombed and is generally considered tied with David Hasselhof as Nick Fury as the worst superhero film ever made. The executives just don't believe that women can't lead a hero film by themselves, which is of course bullshit. How Wonder Woman does will be hugely important, not just from a cash perspective, but from an equality one as well.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 04 Aug 2016, 01:44
I'm pretty sure Suicide Squad is going to make good money. It has been very well marketed, and it's the kind of movie that doesn't have to be all that good for a bunch of people to like it. Also, people are hungry for something similar after Deadpool!
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2016, 02:29
Cross-posted from the 'I saw (x) movie' thread:

I'm a little sad that the movie was so deeply flawed, even though I had a reasonably good time :o

This seems to be the viewpoint that I'm seeing in many viewers' reactions. Not a bad movie but has too many flaws and bad creative choices to ever get beyond 'mediocre/meh'.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2016, 13:57
Fun mediocre is better than what we got with BvS.
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Post by: maxusy3k on 05 Aug 2016, 00:24
In BvS news, the guys at Auralnauts dropped this on Wednesday. I wish the Flash section was in the actual movie.

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Post by: LeeC on 05 Aug 2016, 09:30
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Aug 2016, 20:19
I actually rather liked Suicide Squad. It definitely had its flaws, but it's not nearly the shitshow people make it out to be.
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Post by: hedgie on 06 Aug 2016, 20:42
I'll probably see it, and enjoy it.  Then again, my expectations are so low at this point, that it can be mediocre and I'd still have fun.  I'll have to leave my brain at home, though.
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Post by: Edguy on 07 Aug 2016, 16:59
My friends and I went to see Suicide Squad tonight. Seen reviews so I knew it wasn't gonna live up to the hype, but I was still disappointed. At this point it 's rather clear that there is some inherent flaw within the DC/Warner production machine, because all their films have the same problems of confused scripts, tone all over the place, poorly used humor, absolutely no self-awareness and absolutely GODAWFUL editing. Seriously, the pacing and structure of BvS and SS are basically non-existant. It's kinda shocking how poorly put together these movies are, to be honest. All the movies are made up of mostly decent elements (decent casting, design, music, plot ideas) but the execution is just not there.

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After watching Suicide Squad, we went home and watched Kingsman. What a great movie that did so many of the things that SS tried and failed at right. Good cinematography, editing, pacing, use of music and comedic/dramatic timing is essential to humor/action movies like these, and here we have one example of how to do all these right and how to do all these wrong.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Aug 2016, 22:17
I also saw Suicide Squad today. My expectations were rock bottom, so I was happy it wasn't a complete garbage fire. It was even kind of decent in a 'detach your brain and just go with it' way. Though I couldn't help myself asking 'Why' to the screen in so many cases. Why were these people acting like this. Why did nobody seem to be bothering to stop the big world-ending thing until it was plot convenient. Why did they even put Katana in the movie if they were going to do absolutely nothing with her. The pacing was horrible as well. Taking way to long to introduce the characters with little in between to break it up. There was also the whole host of 'whys' around the existence and operation of the Suicide Squad.. But that is a given and you just got to roll with it. It's a pretty widely accepted fact I think that everyone knows what an incredibly stupid idea it is and why it would never work out. But just gloss over that because they want to see these bad guys working together as the stars.

It had it's good points. Many of the cast was superbly done and I sincerely hope to see Deadshot, Harley and Waller appear in more movies at least. Diablo probably has the strongest story arc, even through it never really goes anywhere. His story is really mostly told in flashback. Katana has the weakest as in it was basically non-existent. I do think that they kept the characters very close to what I've seen in the comics. Which is a huge plus for the DCEU. And I will say something that genuinely surprises me. I didn't hate Jared Leto as the Joker. From everything I had seen and read about him, I expected to absolutely hate him in the role. And mind you, of all the people who have played Mista J, I think his is the worst portrayal. But when you consider who else has been in this role and the absolutely character defining performances they have given him... Being the one who just played a 'meh' Joker isn't that bad, really. I do question strongly his motivation in he movie. That is far from any version of the character I've seen and doesn't really work.

In the end, I think it's worth a matinee trip. Or wait til it's on dvd and rent it. It's still not on par with the Marvel movies, or the DC animated movies. But it wasn't the horrible garbage fire of Dawn of Justice either.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Aug 2016, 07:40
Precious angels too good for this movie

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/c1778952377b4669f80a531daeaeaf9e/tumblr_oc4i0zKixZ1uorz8zo1_500.gif) (http://66.media.tumblr.com/3dd6f98bf17d27e027e86510ad671c81/tumblr_oc4i0zKixZ1uorz8zo2_500.gif)
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/53d513e6c8c740868e51170c9ef057c6/tumblr_oc4i0zKixZ1uorz8zo3_500.gif) (http://67.media.tumblr.com/4ed874ea053a480407c97f22c4c40015/tumblr_oc4i0zKixZ1uorz8zo4_500.gif)
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Post by: BenRG on 20 Aug 2016, 08:11
I'm pretty sure that there is going to be a 'Harley and Deadshot' film just because those are the only two in the film with charisma... or even a recognisable character.
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Post by: Edguy on 20 Aug 2016, 12:24
I think that's pretty unfair. I think Courtney was pretty funny, problem was he didn't get anything to do. And I really liked Hernandez (El Diablo). Also Smith & Robbie got very much all of the screen time and plot development, so..

Also, I think having Deadshot and Harley getting all friendly was pretty forced. Absolutely no reason for them to have anything other than forced association with each other, save for being the two most popular characters/actors.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Aug 2016, 12:50
They did have top billing, and it was no accident. Deadshot and Harley have pretty much been fixtures in the Suicide Squad comics. Well so has Captain Boomerang, but his role was more comic relief. He was seriously underused in the movie sadly. I think he was the worst casualty of trying to shove to many people into this film. It should be pointed out that Deadshot and Harley do have something of a working and occasionally sexual relationship in the comics during their time on the Squad. Most often as two people on the team who aren't complete unhinged psychopaths or entirely unreliable. Which given that ones is an immoral assassin for hire and the other is a criminally insane criminal with a string of violent assaults and murders on her sheet is saying something.

Why it failed in the movie is that they were given no reason to develop a reliance on each other or affection for each other. It was just put in the movie because they had it in the comics. Again, a flaw where they were trying to do way to much for one movie. There is a reason why Marvel studios didn't start with The Avengers first, then do the solo films. Pacing was shot to hell in Suicide Squad as they tried to shove the full origin of Harley, the origin of the Squad and mini-origins of the other characters into a movie that also had to main plot lines running.. The Squad's first mission and Joker trying to free Harley. That was about 4-5 movies worth of material they tried to shove into one.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Aug 2016, 13:02
I've thought for a while that WB is putting on too much speed in an attempt to catch up with Disney and it's leading to compromised work all the way down the line.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 21 Aug 2016, 13:49
Why it failed in the movie is that they were given no reason to develop a reliance on each other or affection for each other. It was just put in the movie because they had it in the comics. Again, a flaw where they were trying to do way to much for one movie. There is a reason why Marvel studios didn't start with The Avengers first, then do the solo films. Pacing was shot to hell in Suicide Squad as they tried to shove the full origin of Harley, the origin of the Squad and mini-origins of the other characters into a movie that also had to main plot lines running.. The Squad's first mission and Joker trying to free Harley. That was about 4-5 movies worth of material they tried to shove into one.

You've hit the nail on the head with the problem that Warner Brothers and DC are suffering from. Marvel and Disney have been making its cinematic universe since 2008, or at least setting up the possibility of it (no one knew that the first few films would be that successful), but its used that time to introduce key characters and to develop those stories, as well as slowly expand the overall Infinity Stones storyline.

Even with the success of the Dark Knight Saga, DC and Warner Brothers were very slow in developing a cinematic universe, possibly even getting to the point where they can't catch up. And so, we get films where a dozen interesting characters in the comics are thrown into something of a mess where there barely seems to be enough time to introduce them let alone develop their characters. Marvel took 4 years and 5 films to get to the point where the Avengers assembled, while DC tried to introduce a ensemble film of a lesser known property* in a year and after 2 films.

*lesser in the sense that people would think of the Justice League before they thought of Suicide Squad.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Aug 2016, 20:10
I'm really hoping 2017 is DC's year, what with Wonder Woman and Justice League.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Edguy on 22 Aug 2016, 07:22
I'm starting to lose faith that anything they'll make will be good at this point..
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 Aug 2016, 09:29
Well MoM is right in one regard. 2017 is going to have to be the year when DC and Warner Brothers success hinges on Wonder Woman and Justice League. Because if they flop then they might reconsider what they are doing.

As it happens, right now DC has four highly praised tv series based upon their work. It might become a case that they decide to concentrate on that aspect rather than film. (For all the cinematic success Marvel has had, and Daredevil and Jessica Jones notwithstanding, they have not had the best of luck with tv series, Agent Carter was cancelled after two series and Agents of SHIELD has been kind of forgotten about).

If DC really want to have a win over the distinguished competition, they really need to play up to their strengths at the moment. And at the moment that's not happening on the big screen.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Aug 2016, 10:28
Or follow their success with their animated movies and series. DC properties and characters make for good shows. The problem has always been they keep hiring the wrong people to make most of their live action films.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Aug 2016, 11:36
I really wish Affleck was directing JL instead of Snyder.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 20 Sep 2016, 19:40
Rumor is the next animated batman movie will be voiced by the original cast of the 60s batman live action show...

(http://i.imgur.com/yvIHzV8.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Sep 2016, 16:19
That's no rumor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0jBRFNAXr8
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Feb 2017, 09:27
Warner Brothers are currently looking at Mel Gibson to direct the Suicide Squad sequel.

I kind of get the feeling that if Jared Leto tries to send him a dead rat during production, he's going to get that rat whacked upside his head....
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 16 Feb 2017, 11:12
What the fuck. Why. For fuck sake.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Feb 2017, 11:16
I kind of get the feeling that if Jared Leto tries to send him a dead rat during production, he's going to be the first person to deserve it.
Also this.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Feb 2017, 12:54
Well, despite Mad Mel's history, he did do very well with his last directorial outing.  Whether he's the right pick for the Suicide Squad sequel is a debatable point at this stage though.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 21 Feb 2017, 17:48
LEGO Batman is probably the best Batman movie there will ever be
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Feb 2017, 15:57
The Dark Knight scowls at you.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 24 Feb 2017, 15:33
(https://media.giphy.com/media/hHCP7G1ySa9wc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 01 Mar 2017, 15:10
Lego Batman was loads of fun. I wish I could have watched it as a child because it was so fun and it is perfect for shameless excitement. Clearly squeezed in every possible licensed character they could for the maximum amount of tie-in merchandise but I don't even care. I had so much sheer joy while watching and I would watch it again right now.

Who would have thought Zach Galifianakis could be such a great Joker? Reminiscent of Mark Hamill's but not too close and survived being more kid-friendly extremely well.

I loved this movie.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Mar 2017, 02:32
Rumours are appearing on the internet that Ben Affleck will have a cameo in Wonder Woman. This makes sense as at least one of the trailers suggests that the entire film is a flash-back narrated by Diana to someone and, in the end, who else would she have to whom to tell the story but Bruce Wayne?

This makes me wonder if WB have decided to copy the fan-popular Batman/Wonder Woman ship that was first seriously explored in the 1990s/2000s animated shows.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Mar 2017, 04:07
I don't understand the value of having a just-for-the-fans cameo in a film when half the fans just spoil it for themselves anyway.

Isn't the whole thrill of it not knowing it's going to happen?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Mar 2017, 05:49
Agreed. And they're not just spoiing it for themselves.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Mar 2017, 15:54
Meh

Was always a WW/SH fan shipper anyway


:-D
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 07 Mar 2017, 15:59
WW/SH?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 11 Mar 2017, 15:31
Wonder Woman/someone else, at a guess.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Mar 2017, 17:57
Sheesh, I fiured someone would have figured out the resident Thanagarians initials by now!!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Mar 2017, 00:22
Diana and Shieyra? Well, each to their own ship.

Whilst on the subject of Wonder Woman:
Looks very, very good. I'm thinking that this film may save DCCU (or, possibly, create a standard that Zach simply can't live up to).

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Post by: Akima on 12 Mar 2017, 18:58
By odd coincidence, a friend sent me a link to this image (http://spacepirate815.deviantart.com/art/Asian-Wonder-Woman-360457678) on DeviantArt over the weekend:

(http://i.imgur.com/xpcP3cg.jpg)
This Wonder Woman (神奇女侠 - shénqínǚxiá) obviously comes from the fabled land of Chinapan*, rather Themyscira, but I thought it was rather cool. The golden chain-whip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_whip) in place of the lasso is quite clever.

*The okobo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okobo), face-paint, and the design of her headpiece look Japanese, while the rest of her outfit and equipment are more Chinese (especially the five-star red waist-sash :-D).
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Mar 2017, 10:35
I'll let this one speak for itself:

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Post by: Neko_Ali on 25 Mar 2017, 15:36
It seems quite dark. Both in terms of lighting, and that nobody really cracks a smile.  So.. par for the course. And they're leading off with parademons? No build up to the big bad huh? Just 'hey, here's an entire planet of bad guys, many of which could give Superman a run for his money, oh he's dead.' The character design I like, and what little I've seen of the actors I'm happy with.  Batman using guns again, including a recoilless rifle or cannon on the batmobile. And possibly a sort of bat-mecha. Bloodshed is definitely on the table.  Mera and the Amazons showing up is nice. Unless it gets completely panned the way Batman v Superman did, I'll go see it. I  hope it turns out good. But... I'm not holding my breath on it.
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Post by: Kugai on 25 Mar 2017, 16:03
And don't forget that Supes is in this mix somewhere.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 25 Mar 2017, 19:52
Nope, Superman is 'dead' as of the end of Batman v Superman. Quotation  marks because of course he 'died' fighting Doomsday in the comics too. But at least he stayed dead for about a year then. Even odds that he'll be a final act 'surprise' in Justice League, or show up in the sequel. I'm fine with him not showing up, really. Henry Cavil has no charisma as Superman. Though to be fair the writers didn't give him anything to work with.
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Post by: BenRG on 26 Mar 2017, 00:26
Possible spoiler based on the comics:

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Post by: Kugai on 26 Mar 2017, 14:39
Well since they've been hinting at his return in this film,  I suspect we'll see him come into play somewhere in the last half or quarter of the film.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 26 Mar 2017, 14:42
Either that or we see Hank Henshaw, the Eradicator and Superboy stepping in and trying to claim the title of Superman. Oh and John Henry Irons living up to the ideal and Supes returning in the next film.

Oh, and Batman can have his back broken (again) and Wonder Woman can be replaced by an unstable warrior from a sister city.

And in that moment, we shall realise we have been transported back in time to the mid 90s.
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Post by: Kugai on 26 Mar 2017, 14:48
*Runs away screaming incoherently*
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 26 Mar 2017, 16:46
It's a nice trailer, but each of the other movies had nice trailers and look what they turned into. The best way I can describe it is the Sonic Cycle
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Post by: Thrillho on 27 Mar 2017, 15:08
Either that or we see Hank Henshaw, the Eradicator and Superboy stepping in and trying to claim the title of Superman. Oh and John Henry Irons living up to the ideal and Supes returning in the next film.

Oh, and Batman can have his back broken (again) and Wonder Woman can be replaced by an unstable warrior from a sister city.

And in that moment, we shall realise we have been transported back in time to the mid 90s.

Nah if that was true everything would be all dark and gritty and antiheroic and painted in drab colours and OH SHIT.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 27 Mar 2017, 15:55
Either that or we see Hank Henshaw, the Eradicator and Superboy stepping in and trying to claim the title of Superman. Oh and John Henry Irons living up to the ideal and Supes returning in the next film.

Oh, and Batman can have his back broken (again) and Wonder Woman can be replaced by an unstable warrior from a sister city.

And in that moment, we shall realise we have been transported back in time to the mid 90s.

Nah if that was true everything would be all dark and gritty and antiheroic and painted in drab colours and OH SHIT.

Even worse...we could end up with this!
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Post by: BenRG on 27 Mar 2017, 23:44
I'm hoping that Henry Cavil would veto that on the basis that no contract or pay-off can justify such body horror.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 22 May 2017, 17:08
Zack Snyder has stepped down from his role in the post production of Justice League to cope with a family tragedy. (https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/22/15678382/justice-league-zack-snyder-steps-down-whedon) He's handed the post production duties to Joss Whedon.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 23 May 2017, 07:32
I am such a mixed bag of feelings about that.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 May 2017, 21:39
Wait, when did Joss Whedon go to DC?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 24 May 2017, 23:38
I don't think that Marvel or Disney ever had him on anything approaching an exclusive contract.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jun 2017, 03:57
Holy shit, Wonder Woman waa good.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jun 2017, 04:03
Going to see WW on Sunday. It's also the first superhero flick I've been able to convince my mother to go to see since Avengers 1.

So far, Wonder Woman has had a critical response that towers over BvS or Suicide Squad. If it does very well in the box office too, I suspect that Joss Wheadon will be making some serious re-edits (maybe even doing a few quick reshoots or redubs) to more reflect Wonder Woman's tone and style in Justice League.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 02 Jun 2017, 19:34
Rumour mill is running at the moment saying that Josh Gad will possibly play the the Penguin in the Batman movie. Not linking to any articles because its just conjecture based on something he's said and I'm taking a chunk of salt with it.

As for the Batman movie, the details are a little thin on the ground at the moment, but a couple of sites think that the plot might resemble something similar to Arkham Origin. The idea is that its after the Justice League movie and Batman becomes more well known, Batman becomes the target of a bounty and assaulted by a number of assassins and mercenaries, hence Deathstroke.

But again I'm taking all this with a chunk of salt.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Aimless on 03 Jun 2017, 04:09
Wonder Woman was like Captain America with better production values but poorer writing and acting. That still makes it the first DC movie since Batman Begins that isn't really frickin' lame :o

Gal Gadot is well suited to the role and the supporting cast is decent but 70% of the dialogue was severely groan-inducing.

The antagonists were so-so. Action sequences were excellent in the beginning but really rubbish towards the end, with that stupid move where she deflects bullets being repeated over and over again like that video game move in Troy. Runtime was all right, it made for a less rushed movie but too much time was dedicated to the final act. I would've enjoyed seeing more antics with the rest of the team or in London. The philosophizing about Love was extremely clunky, I wish they'd done a better job of setting that up and weaving that theme through the movie.

Still, definitely go see it and let yourself regain some faith in DC. Don't see it in 3D
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 03 Jun 2017, 15:08
Just saw Wonder Woman. Definitely the best DC movie of this current run so far. I think I enjoyed the first act the most.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Jun 2017, 16:27
Just saw Wonder Woman. Definitely the best DC movie of this current run so far. I think I enjoyed the first act the most.
To be fair, that's not an especially high bar.

But several friends of mine have come back from seeing it and they have loved it, finally glad that their favourite character has gotten the film she deserved after 70 plus years.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Jun 2017, 17:51
So, I saw Wonder Woman today, and I'm quite pleased by it. Gal Gadot and Chris Pine give absolutely solid performances. The rest of the cast range from great, to meehhh... The pacing and antagonists of the movie seem out of place in a super hero film. But honestly... They are not the plot of the film. The story of the film isn't 'how Wonder Woman stopped World War I' but Diana's journey from wide eyed and childish love of mankind, through the horrors of war. Growing as a person and becoming a hero. The antagonists were there to move the plot along. They provide the spark, but are not the end goal.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2017, 09:05
Aimless, you didn't like The Dark Knight?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: sitnspin on 04 Jun 2017, 09:21
I really dug it and I'm not even a fan of superhero content as a general rule. The date I took really liked it, too. It wasn't perfect, of course.

I saw it in 3D, but only because that's what was showing on the IMAX screening we attended. I didn't really notice anything particularly 3D about it. Which is a compliment from me since I mostly find 3D to be gimmicky at best and bloody awful at worst. The large screen and big sound of IMAX made it worth it, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2017, 14:25
Saw Wonder Woman and loved it. Not a brilliantly ground-breaking bit of cinema but a genuinely enjoying journey that presses all the right buttons and raises all the right flags. Even the generally-maligned final reel is enjoyable (and is greatly saved by the the effect Gal Gadot communicates it is all having on her character).

Favourite moment?
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2017, 16:23
Ok, you know what I realized yesterday? This is my own failing, not the movie's, because I really, really liked the movie (aside from slightly excessive slow motion).

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Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Jun 2017, 16:47
Ok, you know what I realized yesterday? This is my own failing, not the movie's, because I really, really liked the movie (aside from slightly excessive slow motion).

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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2017, 16:50
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Post by: Kugai on 04 Jun 2017, 17:10
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 07 Jun 2017, 11:11
Wonder Woman was everything I wanted Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice to be
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Jun 2017, 13:28
Wonder Woman was everything I wanted Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice to be

Not terrible? What got it for me is the biggest thing that Zach Snyder never understood. We want to see an accurate representation of the characters we know from the comics. Not his idea of what a dark and gritty version of them would be. I know he knows this is the problem with the films, because it's brought up every time his DC movies are mentioned. We don't want angsty and brooding Superman, murderous Batman, angry and kick ass Aquaman.... Okay I take that last one back. He can stay. But look at how he decided to play Lex Luthor. Or the strangeness of Jared Leto's Joker. Most of the Suicide Squad was okay, because they already fit his 'super heroes by way of Hot Topics and the Army Surplus store' aesthetic.

For me the big reason why Wonder Woman succeeds where the others have failed is her story is divorced from the greater narrative they had built. She could be and was the Wonder Woman we know, if in somewhat more muted colors. It wasn't some re-imagining of the Wonder Woman mythos. Had you told me they just took one of her comic book stories and adapted it to a movie, I would believe it. The movie feels accurate in a way that Batman v Superman absolutely did not. Time will tell if the studio learns the right lessons here and alters Justice League appropriately. My fear was it's already been shot and all but finished by Zach Snyder's vision and the studio won't let Joss Wheadon change much of it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 12 Jul 2017, 05:18
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jul 2017, 16:55
George is never gonna live that down.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jul 2017, 18:05
I mean, he's getting off easy here. No nipple jokes.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Jul 2017, 18:07
What we've learned here is to always be yourself.

Unless you can be Batman.

Then you should always be Batman.

Unless the Batsuit has nipples.

Then you're never going to live that down. Ever.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 16 Sep 2017, 12:30
So... Lego Batman.  One of the greatest Batman movies of all time, or the greatest Batman movie of all time?

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Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Sep 2017, 14:24
I spent the first half-hour wondering where it was going, the next half-hour wondering if it had got there yet and the last half-hour deciding whether it would be more hassle to squeeze out past the other people on the row or endure the rest of the movie.

On the bright side, I went to see it with a friend who I hadn't seen for months, so the catch-up in the pub afterwards made up for the poor choice of film.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Sep 2017, 14:08
Or, take a minute to realise that like the first Lego Movie, the Lego Batman Movie is essentially a kid playing with their Legos and doing what they thought was a cool (to them) story. Its got that kind of innocent humour to it.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Welu on 18 Sep 2017, 14:29
I loved it and was so surprised at how much I enjoyed Zach Galifianakis as Joker.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Sep 2017, 19:13
I still need to see it. Also, I saw the newest (I think) Justice League trailer tonight and...damn it if it doesn't look fun. I know I'll probably be disappointed, but...you know what, I don't care. I like pretty much all of the main cast. Maybe it actually will be fun.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Nov 2017, 07:13
Well, the Metacritic scores for Justice League are starting to collate. Oddly enough Rotten Tomatoes are embargoing their own scores until tomorrow (rumour has it at Warner Brothers' insistence).

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Going to see it Saturday or Sunday.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: sitnspin on 16 Nov 2017, 09:52
The one good thing about breaking up with my comic book fan exgf is that I don't have to watch these pieces of crap anymore.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 Nov 2017, 16:01
So far people are saying it's better than Batman vs. Superman, but not as good as Wonder Woman.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Nov 2017, 16:19
So...it's a movie that exists is what people are saying.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 17 Nov 2017, 16:44
Basically, it was supposed to be first Avengers level and it didn't reach that
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Nov 2017, 17:07
I've said it before, but its worth repeating.

DC and Warner Bros left it far too long to create a cinematic universe (or rather, they wasted an opportunity). Instead, Marvel was able to create the MCU, taking four years to establish the main players before bringing their premier team to the big screen.

Marvel produced Iron Man to establish the universe, The Incredible Hulk expanded on some of the key concepts, Thor brought the main villain of Phase 1 and gave him motivation, Iron Man 2 had the impact of Stark's history and the effect on the future and The First Avenger gave the ideal to live up to. Only then did they bring everything together for the finale of Phase 1.

By contrast, the DCEU had Superman not quite living up to the ideal he presents in the comic, Batman is presented as something of a brutal vigilante (and before anyone says anything, despite how he is presented in other media, Bruce Wayne is one of the most compassionate people in the DC stable). Suicide Squad, well, too much in too short a time and like the other DCEU films didn't live up to the hype. Of the four films before Justice League, Wonder Woman was the only one that felt like the character and not some Dark-Age-Life-Is-Angst crap that the previous films presented.

Marvel had a five for five rating for Phase 1, with solid story telling and a great deal of consistency. The only thing consistent about the DCEU right now is its inconsistency. Warner Bros were a decade too late getting their thumb out of their back and they're paying for it now with rushed jobs.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Nov 2017, 10:24
Well, I went to see Justice League and...

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Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Nov 2017, 10:50
A major problem that many people have seems to stem from the fact that Joss Whedon's work is fairly evident throughout the film.

It certainly doesn't help that Whedon cut many key scenes during his time, including, but not limited whats under the spoiler:
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Not to mention that Zack Synder and Joss Whedon have incredibly different ways of directing films and it shows in the film. What could have been a deep story that looks into the best and worst of humanity and the inherent struggle that lies within gets tossed to the side with emotional whiplashes and the traditional Whedon focusing on asses.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Nov 2017, 13:26
The reviews I've seen for the movie haven't been negative. Most of them have been 'Eh, it's okay. It's not memorable or groundbreaking and it's clearly been heavily edited, but it's watchable.' They place it about on level with Suicide Squad, generally.  The trouble is that Marvel has been delivering consistent hits in the super hero movie genre for so long now that just average isn't going to thrill people. I don't think you can entirely blame Joss Whedon for the choppy nature of the film. They were reshooting and re-editing the movie long before he came on board. And I've heard from multiple reviewers now that the team was under strict orders to keep the movie under two hours, and it was originally planned to be a two movie story. So yeah.. a lot was cut down or tossed out entirely to fit probably 5+ hours of story and action into 121 minutes.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Nov 2017, 05:06
Casting Call
Who would you like to play Mari M'Cabe/Vixen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vixen_(comics)) in a future Justice League live action show or movie?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Dec 2017, 00:46
It's too late for Halle Berry, right?
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 Dec 2017, 18:23
She was a terrible Storm and Catwoman so  yes, it's too late for her.
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Post by: TheEvilDog on 01 Dec 2017, 20:39
Let's see, who could play Vixen?
Nikki Amuka-Bird.
Gugu Mbatha-Raw.
Alisha Bailey.
Lorraine Burroughs.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Dec 2017, 16:08
So I saw Justice League today. I thought it was good. I went in with deep misgivings and was pleasantly surprised. There are some pretty deep plot holes and I felt that the characterization of Flash was entirely wrong for Barry Allen, but I think overall the movie was a good bit of fun and huge steps ahead of most of the previous movies that have been pulled under the DCCU brand. The movie does start off very bleak as is typical for Zach Snyder's works and has been a major problem for most of this era's DC live action movies. But it does change as the movie goes on. I don't know how much of that is from Joss Whedon taking the helm, or how much was planned in. But overall I think it set up a narrative that could save the franchise if they run with it. The movie establishes pretty much early on that an atmosphere of hopelessness has fallen over the world since Superman's death. And the kick off of the villain's plot is because Superman was no longer there. Which is a plot hole in itself, but saying more involves spoilers.

Taken as a meta-narrative and if you ignore some aspects of the previous films that should be ignored anyway, you could run with the idea that the world became such a bleak place because there was a lack of heroes to look up to. Superman acted as that heroic ideal for a lot of people... When he died things became even more grim. Now with more heroes stepping up the world is growing brighter, more hopeful. More in line with what is in the comics and what a lot of people want to see. Not angsty Superman snapping necks or grown men in Halloween costumes growling at each other. If they continue the franchise in this tone I think they have a shot of continuing.

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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 04 Apr 2019, 07:24
Joker
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Apr 2019, 17:41
Joker looks so fucking bad. Anyone see the DC Captain Marvel yet? I meant to but haven't, and I'm seeing Endgame this weekend. I heard it was good, though.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: cybersmurf on 27 Apr 2019, 10:23
That trailer makes him look... weird. bad kind of weird, even for the joker.

Suicide Squad joker was weird, too, and kind of rather bland. maybe that movie is trying to tie in with that. we'll see.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 12 Jun 2019, 19:38
So has anyone heard of this show on syfy called "Krypton" that takes place 2 generations before the events of Superman?  I have never heard of it but Season 2 just premiered. Zod and his followers look a lot like NOD troops from C&C Tiberium Sun so it piqued my interest.

As far as I can tell Val-El, patriarch of the El family, is arrested and executed by the corrupt leadership of Krypton. The El's are stripped of their noble privileges and forced to live in the slums. Val-El's son, Seg, figures out that his father was arrested because he found a terrible secret. Then some people from the future come back in time to save Krypton. An earth man named Adam Strange and General Zod.

From what I can tell its one part Dune, one part Red Faction, and a dash of Game of Thrones. Val-El is even played by the same actor as Barristan Selmy from GoT.

Edit: Oh, also the actor that plays Zod sounds VERY similar to Patrick Stuart, at least in the speech I heard him give in Season 2's premier. I may go back and watch season 1.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 12 Jun 2019, 19:54
Haven't seen it (or even heard about it), but in case people haven't heard, the latest DC series, Swamp Thing has been cancelled a week after it premiered. This has nothing to do with ratings, but the fact that North Carolina screwed up and miscalculated the tax break it had given the show. Basically the show's budget was cut in half and considering that it's a budget heavy show, its been cancelled.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Jun 2019, 06:54
There's a forthcoming show on the CW network; I've seen previews while watching The Flash but they don't give a title. There's a spotlight Batsignal, and a woman in a Batsuit, and a "Coming Soon". Thats all I know right now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2019, 06:59
That would be Batwoman, with Ruby Rose as the eponymous heroine.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Theta9 on 13 Jun 2019, 07:10
That would be Batwoman, with Ruby Rose as the eponymous heroine.
Also not clear if it's going to be in the same multiverse as The Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, and Legends. I remember one episode of Arrow when they went to Gotham City.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jun 2019, 11:27
Holy shit, Adam Strange! One of my favourite trades as a kid was an Adam Strange.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jul 2019, 19:41
So I finally got around to watching Shazam and I liked it a lot!
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 03 Oct 2019, 06:20
Sounding like it was good. I am worried people are going to go into it thinking its an action movie because its a comic book movie when really its a drama about a man being broken.

Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Oct 2019, 12:18
In a world as nihilistic and violent and grim as the one we currently live in, with more people than ever more aware of that, I cannot imagine a movie I want to see less than one focused only the Joker. Without even a Batman to kick his ass. I don't get it. Like, America practically elected the fucking Joker.

I'd say I might be taking it too seriously - which is true regardless - but it sounds like the movie, director and star all do too...
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 03 Oct 2019, 13:34
Doesn't help that the director can't understand where peoples criticism is coming from.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 20 Dec 2019, 11:08
Superman: Red Son
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Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2019, 09:23
Someone watch that and tell me if it's good.

One of the only Millar-written comics I still like. But I haven't read it in ages so maybe I'd hate it now.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 24 Dec 2019, 09:49
For me Millar's comics work when he has to use established characters, not his own original ones
The movies have always, with the exception of Wanted, been better than the comics




Apparently the Harley Quinn so is actually really good
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2019, 09:57
Although I agree with you on a relative scale, because none of his work with other people's IPs are as bad as say, Kick-Ass or Wanted, but it's not like Ultimates is... good.

Also, Millar seems to really, really hate women.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 25 Dec 2019, 08:37
The first 2 Ultimates were good for the time, and really laid the groundwork for Ultimate Marvel and the Marvel movies
But yeah, he sucks when it comes to writing women

Still the best thing involving him
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Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Dec 2019, 00:16
Millar is basically a teenage edge lord who never grew up.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 23 Aug 2020, 19:14
DC Fandome is over and here's some good stuff from it


But more importantly, Suicide Squad actually looks good/fun
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Aug 2020, 01:19
Okay, seen the Batman and Suicide Squad 2 trailers. I might be coming across as a bit burned out but really my only thoughts are as follows:

The Batman - Look, can we come to terms with the fact that Christopher Nolan got Batman as dark as the character can get without being taken ludicrously OOC? Trying to one-up the Dark Knight Trilogy is a futile exercise and will only make Batman an increasingly fringe character for a fringe audience. Also, am I the only one tired of Batman movies whose colour pallate is black, dark grey, dark brown, occasionally dark green and even more occasionally searing white spotliights for 'dramatic sillhouettes'. I want to see the motion pictures that I go to see, not just hear them as I squint at indistinct darting shadows;

Suicide Squad 2 - Hrm. Looks like Warner Brothers hasn't tired of throwing bundles of money into this particular trash fire of a franchise. Looks like James Gunn has decided to go with the 'deafen and dazzle the audience into submission' pattern of action flicks.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Dec 2020, 07:37
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I liked WW1984 a lot. Definitely flawed, but it was a lot of fun, and it was more consistent than the first one. Also, a guy named Chris plays a guy named Steve who shows up about 66-67 years after apparently dying in a plane crash. Probably one of the more specific coincidences in comic book movies.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Torlek on 30 Jan 2021, 19:40
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I liked WW1984 a lot. Definitely flawed, but it was a lot of fun, and it was more consistent than the first one.

It wasn't as bad as a lot of reviews seem to paint it as, but it was disjointed as all hell. It didn't suffer the huge drop in logic in the third act like the first one did, but that's mainly because the logic was completely scattershot throughout. The bones of a good movie are there (a lot of people are fussing about the macguffin, but it's a perfectly valid comic book macguffin, especially in a universe where the world-ending widgets from the big team up movie were called "mother boxes") and Pine, Pascal (I just love watching this guy go full ham) and Wiig are doing great work with their roles. But Gadot just doesn't have enough acting capability to carry a movie (also the way she chooses which words to emphasize when speaking English is still baffling) and the entire Egypt sequence needed to be axed in favor of an extended WH action scene and some actual explanation of what the hell was going on with Max Lord.

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So, yes, decently fun but WAY too stupid.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Aug 2021, 04:34
The Suicide Squad was so much better than it had any right to be. My favorite DCCU movie yet.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: RedWolf4 on 07 Aug 2021, 08:46
It honestly worked better than I expected it to. Well done cast and crew.
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Gyrre on 22 Aug 2021, 16:47
Okay, seen the Batman and Suicide Squad 2 trailers. I might be coming across as a bit burned out but really my only thoughts are as follows:

The Batman - Look, can we come to terms with the fact that Christopher Nolan got Batman as dark as the character can get without being taken ludicrously OOC? Trying to one-up the Dark Knight Trilogy is a futile exercise and will only make Batman an increasingly fringe character for a fringe audience. Also, am I the only one tired of Batman movies whose colour pallate is black, dark grey, dark brown, occasionally dark green and even more occasionally searing white spotliights for 'dramatic sillhouettes'. I want to see the motion pictures that I go to see, not just hear them as I squint at indistinct darting shadows;

Suicide Squad 2 - Hrm. Looks like Warner Brothers hasn't tired of throwing bundles of money into this particular trash fire of a franchise. Looks like James Gunn has decided to go with the 'deafen and dazzle the audience into submission' pattern of action flicks.

To quote Red from OSP, "Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations, that’s a genuine Batman! If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve just written Punisher in a funny hat."
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: Tova on 26 Nov 2021, 17:17
Title: Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
Post by: LeeC on 11 Nov 2022, 07:55
Rest in peace Kevin Conroy. You were always and always will be my Batman and Bruce Wayne.