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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Patrick on 27 Apr 2013, 18:19
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Let us discuss them. How about we begin with song titles/choruses that involve words like hey, oh, ho, hum, etc.
For example:, "Ho Hey" by The Lumineers. Is this song about a 'ghetto' colloquialism for a prostitute? Not at all. Fuck I don't even know what it is about, honestly, I've never listened to it front to back before. It's a love song, maybe?
Carry on with your own observations, my lovelies.
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And while I'm probably not likely to listen to it -- although now my curiosity has been nudged -- there is a tradition of using vocal sounds for rhythm, i.e., hey nonny nonny, tra-la-la-la-la-lah, etc.
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pop seems to have one of three sounds nowadays;
-folk-music-ish stuff that sounds like it should be sung around a campfire
-overprocessed pseudo-techno
-white kids trying to "sound black" (not meaning to be racist but i have no idea how else to say it - its a pretty blatant effort)
needless to say, i don't enjoy almost anything out of any of those categories.
(except Little Talks by Of Monsters And Men. that song is so catchy it's ridiculous)
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kick drums and kick tambourines
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autotune is dead
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The lack of damned instruments.
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Everything was better when I was young.
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I am young, and I never liked popular music.
QFT:
The lack of damned instruments.
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-folk-music-ish stuff that sounds like it should be sung around a campfire
Oh my god can we kill Mumford and Sons, please?
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when in doubt, Cat Stevens.
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-folk-music-ish stuff that sounds like it should be sung around a campfire
Oh my god can we kill Mumford and Sons, please?
yep I'm definitely glad you're back, Kris
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Hey now, to be fair Mumford And Sons have one good song... they just choose to record it 12 times for each album.
Seriously, how does a band fuck off for three years and come back sounding EXACTLY THE SAME?
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Clearly they have a vision....
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Don't get me wrong, one thing that bugs me nowadays is bands that go away for three years and come back TOTALLY different - but some evolution whatsoever would be great.
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Overuse of dynamic range compression.
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Building shaking Bass
It's a wonder some of the cars I see going down the road don't look like Kangaroos.
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Absolute dogshit lyrical content. Nearly every sad song is a break-up song, and nearly every non-sad song is a party-hard song. Modern popular music is heinously uncreative and restrictively binary.
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and nearly every non-sad song is a party-hard song.
Or a love song.
Or, worst of all, a motivational song.
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It's not that pop music doesn't often have weak repetitive lyrics, that's to be expected to some extent. It's that the songs people point to as great examples of contemporary songwriting are no better than what I hear at local open mics.
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This 'modern pop music is all like this!' stuff is kinda showing a lack of research.
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No research needed. I'm subjected to it many hours a day.
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This 'modern pop music is all like this!' stuff is kinda showing a lack of research.
clearly the US and Britain don't have much in common in terms of music that winds up on pop radio, then.
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This is very true.
It's normally six months to a year before UK stuff gets over here.
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Overuse of dynamic range compression.
Oh god, this. But that actually happens in non-pop too. A lot of CD's I have are virtually unlistenable due to overcompression.
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"Haters" not realizing they are part of the overall marketing strategy and shutting the fuck up accordingly.
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I'd like some kind of explanation as to why it's "distressing". I mean, a lot of the stuff mentioned here I hate too, but I don't really find it distressing. Distressing would indicate it somehow scares me that most kids like to listen to music with dynamic range compression and stupid lyrics. And I don't. They can listen to whatever the fuck they want.
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I think maybe our definitions of 'pop' are differing, when I say pop I'm referring to 'anything that's not jazz or classical' pretty much.
As far as what you guys are calling pop, that is to say, the radio, I'd say that pop music is as bad now as it has been for decades, no worse.
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I'd say that pop music is as bad now as it has been for decades, no worse.
simply a different kind of bad :P
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Exactly. Different, not better or worse. And there is great pop music in any decade, and there are great non-pop songs with pop elements (structure, chorus, melody, hook).
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And there is great pop music in any decade
Yes, absolutely. In the wise words of Nicki Minaj, "I beez in the trap." How can anyone argue with that?
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Fuck you, Pat, you don't even like Pink Floyd *shakes fist*
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT GUITAR MUSIC NOT LIKE YOU PLAY GUITAR AND MADE AN AWESOME ALBUM OR ohhh....
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yeah that's because they, like Mumford and Sons, wrote like 4 good songs and just choose to record them over and over and over
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"I Will Wait For You" would be a much better song without the banjo :psyduck: the fact that "pop" music contains a banjo at all is distressing.
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yeah that's because they, like Mumford and Sons, wrote like 4 good songs and just choose to record them over and over and over
That's hardly fair, that's three more than Mumford wrote.
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"I Will Wait For You" would be a much better song without the banjo :psyduck: the fact that "pop" music contains a banjo at all is distressing.
I don't know what you're talking about; banjos are fuckin' great.
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And while I'm probably not likely to listen to it -- although now my curiosity has been nudged -- there is a tradition of using vocal sounds for rhythm, i.e., hey nonny nonny, tra-la-la-la-la-lah, etc.
HEY LAI LA HEY, LAI LA HEY, LAI LA HEY, LA LA LA LA LA
(Not pop, but immediately thought of this)
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I don't know what you're talking about; banjos are fuckin' great.
http://vimeo.com/1941168
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I'd like some kind of explanation as to why it's "distressing". I mean, a lot of the stuff mentioned here I hate too, but I don't really find it distressing. Distressing would indicate it somehow scares me that most kids like to listen to music with dynamic range compression and stupid lyrics. And I don't. They can listen to whatever the fuck they want.
Why I find the use of compression as an easy way to make shit sound artificially loud distressing:
1.) It's destroying the quality of the music I listen to, not just music like Katy Perry.
2.) It's terrible for your hearing.
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I don't know what you're talking about; banjos are fuckin' great.
http://vimeo.com/1941168
Yeup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po)
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everything is bad now. Ugh. Can't even control rage enough to comment reasponably. Suffice to say, I'vwe started digging bands I hated in the 70s-80s because I had no idea all other pop music would suck in the future. /a little too harsh //still no jetpack
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It's not all that far away doombilly. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPedpE70Es)
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On a slightly-related note, if you haven't yet seen it, watch the movie Idiocracy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) immediately.
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I want to argue nothing's original. But nothing's really ever been original. Clapton made a living from singing songs originally done by black guys in the 30s and 40s, but nobody heard of them. Same goes for the Stones. 70s 'neo-blues' was a hip new kind of thing.
So I feel like people like Bruno Mars are just taking the popularity of Sting/The Police, the pertaining love for Bob Marley, and just infusing it with a slab of mediocrity so that it sounds like a rip-off rather than something original. I also kind of dislike the lack of bands that I know of that seem to do songs that aren't later going to be turned into 3-minute radio jizz or an 'anthemic' stadium song that has a chorus 20,000 people can remember (essentially - do bands bother with 'deep cuts' anymore, or is it just filler? Does a song become a deep cut after - amount of people have decided it's a great non-single track?)
I'd like to also put my foot in to say, fuck off pop-folk crap. Please, folk is a fairly neat genre that I haven't really explored but the stuff I've heard I've liked. Mumford doesn't do anything for me...
Hey, I'm a grumpy old man at the age of 22! I think what this really means is I must EXPAND MY MUSICAL HORIZONS and get into some bands that are decent and that tour the UK.
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I want to argue nothing's original.
There's a little individuality in anything I think is worth hearing. It's the combination of influences that makes it all special.
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Very few things ever created are truly original. Pretty much everything is inspired by, a derivative of, an evolution of, based upon, or springboarded off of something else. This goes for all things, and music is no exception.
Now shamelessly ripping someone off is a completely different story, but you can't expect everyone to be 100% original in everything they do.
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and LEd Zepellin apparently never had much original to say. Still they were kind of special.
http://everythingisaremix.info/ EDIT====
specifically > https://vimeo.com/14912890
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Well, to be fair, Led Zeppelin was heavily grounded in the folk movement, and they did record a huge amount of original compositions too..
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Hell, even Van Halen's early work was based on Surf music.
Let's compare:
with
Very dramatic, the chords mirror the often surprising changes found in a lot of west-coast music of the time. Part of VH's shock value was the fact that a lot of their stuff wasn't based in the blues, but rather in Surf Rock.
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REMIX
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A distressing trend in pop music is that it still exists. We seriously could live without it in my opinion.. there are so much more varied and "better" (for lack of a better word) genres of music. I never liked pop music.. it sucks the life out of everything... once someone gets a taste of it, that's what they expect everything to be.
Of course this is all in my own experience and my opinion only. :)
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I need to start avoiding this fucking thread, man.
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Make sure you use protection :-D
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A distressing trend in pop music is that it still exists.
Beethoven's music was pop in its day.
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I don't believe that parallel's nearly as close as some people like to think.
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I'd say the two L's are the worst for me:
- Loudness Wars. Everything just sounds so horribly overcompressed, because it is horribly overcompressed. The trend of wanting to make every recording sound "louder" really does tend to ruin all dynamics and turn everything into a big, blaring mess. However, sometimes you run into stuff that bucks this trend. A recent example would be Bruno Mars' latest album "Unorthodox Jukebox"; the production on that one is really nice and organic, plus it has some cracking good songs. Which leads me into the next thing:
- Laziness. Songwriters have gotten lazy. Plain and simple. The promotion wings of major labels are quite simply too fucking good at their jobs. Too many songs with half-assed songwriting make it to radio and onto the charts because the promotion is too effective, and as such songwriters don't really have to make as great an effort to crank out good material once they have this giant machine backing them. Their shit will turn into gold no matter how much they half-ass it.
Runners-up: Songwriting by committee! This is an old one, as old as the hills as it were, and represents a fear in the hearts of major labels. Ever noticed how writing credits for most major songs, no matter how idiotically simplistic, are made up of 6-7 people or more? This is classic too-many-chefs-fuck-up-dinner-for-everyone. This is mainly a greed thing; no matter how tiny a contribution someone makes, people want writing credits since they are the only way to make money off music nowadays. Whitney Houston, one of the best-selling singers of all time, died penniless because she never wrote a single note herself and thus all profits from airplay went into other people's pockets.
The audience themselves: People just don't really seem to care all that much, on the surface of things. But they do care, just not enough. Genuinely good artists like Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake and others are still successful. "Call Me Maybe", probably the most perfect pop song in the last few decades, was still a massive hit. If the general audience gets a serving of actual quality, they still react strongly to it but they still don't seek it out actively despite it being easier than ever. That's a bit sad, but with advances like Spotify and such, this will change over time. The times of crate-digging and zine-reading are long gone, and now everyone can find the perfect music for them with absolute minimal effort.
Sting: Sting hasn't made more albums. Also, not enough "artiste" types have taken his cue and gone off to make "smart" pop music instead of wanky, noodly music-for-musicians arty-farty crap. Sting is a virtuoso and can thus get away with writing super-catchy pop songs in 7/8 because why not!? MORE ARTISTS NEED TO DO THIS!
Overall, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, we still have Gotye, and Sting is still alive so there's plenty of hope.
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I don't believe that parallel's nearly as close as some people like to think.
Indeed, for most of the nineteenth century, Music hall and variants were popular music, not classical or romantic composers.
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I was taking the term "pop music" not as "popular music" (genrally) but as the songs that get played 800 times in an hour every day on the radio. All of it is horrible in my opinion... I used to listen to a rock radio station that had bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park and Disturbed along with a few others which I forgot.
Now, I just use it as an alarm to get up and it's the same folkish, country music that shouldn't even be in the same universe as rock. Either that or songs that are trying to jump on the dubstep bandwagon with a "Look! We can do it too!". I rarely hear rock on that station anymore which is pretty sad.
It's stuff like that which is why I've stopped listening to any radio and stopped taking music "advice" from people. Why isn't there a metal radio station? Or even an industrial one? That would be damn awesome.. but noo... all we get to have is this shitty pop music. It's the same 5 songs constantly.
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You really need to lighten up, seriously. Good songwriting does crop up occasionally within the pop spectrum and you're just missing out on good stuff if you write if all off categorically. I acknowledge that a good portion of it is crap, but the more you complain about it and choose to waste your energy hating it the more THEY WIN (sort of...)
If you don't like the radio, then don't listen, it's that simple, really. If it's at work and you can't turn it off, then tune out mentally or open your mind a little.
Also, there are literally bajillions of metal or industrial radio stations online.
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I was taking the term "pop music" not as "popular music" (genrally) but as the songs that get played 800 times in an hour every day on the radio. All of it is horrible in my opinion... I used to listen to a rock radio station that had bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Linkin Park and Disturbed along with a few others which I forgot.
Now, I just use it as an alarm to get up and it's the same folkish, country music that shouldn't even be in the same universe as rock. Either that or songs that are trying to jump on the dubstep bandwagon with a "Look! We can do it too!". I rarely hear rock on that station anymore which is pretty sad.
It's stuff like that which is why I've stopped listening to any radio and stopped taking music "advice" from people. Why isn't there a metal radio station? Or even an industrial one? That would be damn awesome.. but noo... all we get to have is this shitty pop music. It's the same 5 songs constantly.
You haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.
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There is of course the fact that people go where the money is and the money is in turning out new Justin Biebers and music from those new Justin Biebers. Mainstream radio is bought and paid for. That battle is lost. You'll never get anything else on there ever again.
But there are plenty of sources for your preferences.
http://www.blackmetalradio.com/index.php
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I was taking the term "pop music" not as "popular music" (genrally) but as the songs that get played 800 times in an hour every day on the radio
I fail to see the distinction, probably because there isn't one; those songs are played that frequently on 'pop radio' stations because those songs are successful on the Billboard charts, and they make it to those charts by way of single sales.
Overall, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, we still have Gotye, and Sting is still alive so there's plenty of hope.
aside from The Song I Shall Not Refer To By Name, Gotye is fucking amazing.
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Even THAT SONG is a stroke of undiluted genius in my book.
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Indeed, simple, straightforward music need not necessarily be bad. I enjoy it too.
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let me qualify my statement: that song used to be good. now it just makes me want to suicide every time I hear the familiar sounds of the intro pop up on the radio at work.
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Oh jesus, I hate the radio at work too.
The most distressing part about pop music (Apart from the huge amount of drivel) is that I hear the same fifteen songs on repeat every other hour and I have to use valuable battery life on my phone on listening to the classical radio station, which is actually really good but too focused on baroque.
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One of the only good things about my brief time working at Co-Op was that Co-Op radio was surprisingly awesome.
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Oh man, I had it easy in my past few jobs, especially the last one before going to uni.
I had an iPod radio in the reception where I sat, and I could decide for myself what to listen to, more or less. Of course, if I had something brutal on I'd turn it down when customers came in, but still. I listened to so much Tom Waits and shit like that, it was incredible, and if I did want pop radio I could just flick it on and turn it off when I tired of it.
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I work in an office on my own computer so I just plug in headphones and Spotify all day
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it isn't even just at work. if I wanna go do anything in any indoor public place aside from the coffee shop where my bandmate works, I get the same horse dick shoved down my throat.
something I just noticed while in conversation with Gaz re: Rihanna's "We Found Love": square wave upward sliding synth with a syncopated staccato attack, usually playing triplets or thereabouts. Jesus fucking Christ that is the most cliche sound effect you can fucking put in a song, and it's literally painful to my ears. God, I cringe just thinking about it. That cannot possibly be good for your hearing.
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Previous reply was pretty much just getting pissed at how everything seems to go that way. I had a radio station I would listen to a lot because it was an actual Rock station and played nothing but that. It was a way to get away from all of the "normal" stations but recently they've turned into a folk-like station.. they rarely play any more rock music. (Rock as in Korn, Linkin park, Limp Bizkit and the such.. there was a lot more different artists, but those are just the ones I remember.
When I said metal/industrial radio station, I meant like an actual FM station or something of that nature. Luckily, at work I'm essentially the only one in the office and I have a streaming media server at home so I get to listen to my own metal/industrial radio station :)
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(Rock as in Korn, Linkin park, Limp Bizkit and the such..)
Umm...
NEW DISTRESSING TREND!
Sexual exploitation of women in videos. And I know this isn't new at all, but it's massively bothering me. Specifically, Robin Thicke's shitbrick song that can be summed up by "faux-funk bass and tits". Talking about "tearing ass" is just beautiful.
Also Miley Cyrus's new song. She basically sucks off a sledgehammer and when not naked looks like Ripley when she exits the cyro-chamber. The lyric "You wreck me", with this visualisation of the singer, makes it obvious she's not just talking about her emotions. Cleverly planned "adulthood" PR that has started with the VMAs and shows no signs of stopping.
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I knew I was going to get that comment as soon as I mentioned those bands, I'm not quite sure why though. They seem pretty cool to me... Although the new LP stuff is mostly garbage and a lot of the stuff LB did after chocolate starfish was pretty good too.
That Miley Cyrus bit I think is like law for Disney child stars... go for a bit and act like you're normal and then dive off the deep end.
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Cleverly planned "adulthood" PR that has started with the VMAs and shows no signs of stopping.
See also: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pop_star
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I hate Disney pop stars and 'manufactured' rock bands.
I need me some Gershwin and Tchiachovsky (spelled wrong, I know)
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I don't know, I try not to be a music snob but I wouldn't put those bands under 'rock'. Depends on your age too, I'm pretty sure everyone has listened to Hybrid Theory at least once.
Yeah, the Disney tweens are sexualised, so it shouldn't be a surprise by now. It's still pretty gross, though.
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I don't know, I try not to be a music snob but I wouldn't put those bands under 'rock'. Depends on your age too, I'm pretty sure everyone has listened to Hybrid Theory at least once.
Where would you put them? They certainly aren't metal or pop.. although essentially all music classification/organization is highly subjective.
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I'd call them pop nu metal because that is what they are
Linkin Park has been reduced to being an even shittier Hoobastank
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Any band that has a turntablist and a rapper alongside the singer, guitarist, drummer is something I'd define as rap metal. But I'd rather listen to Rage every day of the week if I'm dipping into that genre.
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Linkin Park's last couple of records have been fantastic.
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... Irony, right? Sarcasm, perhaps?
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Neither. Linkin Park deserve all the credit in the world for even still existing and having a record deal, let alone shifting records.
Linkin Park are the first band I ever truly loved as a teenager (aside from Weezer, who I've literally been a fan of since I was six years old). They were my gateway drug into hip hop, into metal, into basically all of the music I never explored. So maybe I'm biased.
But I genuinely think their last two records are fantastic. Living Things reinvents no wheels but it's crammed with hooks and strikes a perfect balance between guitars and electronics. A Thousand Suns, meanwhile, is a baffling concept record about nuclear war that, whilst decades late for being relevant, takes six huge swinging pairs of balls to even attempt to record when you consider the source is basically the nu-metal Bon Jovi known for songs about breakups and shit.
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You see, I love early LP. But lately they have felt the need to explore different avenues ... And it's rather boring to me. And I've never heard anyone say anything nice about those last two albums so I assumed you were sarcastic.
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Here's me saying nice things about both records: http://madcap156.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/dead-stuff/
And here's me saying not very nice things about the one that came before it, Minutes To Midnight: http://rockmidgets.com/releases.php?p=20&page=3&id=2063
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Those are nice reviews. It's like you done this before.
Anyway, any love for Collision Course?
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You see, I love early LP. But lately they have felt the need to explore different avenues ... And it's rather boring to me.
This. I liked it before when Mike had a bigger part in the lyrics.. I find myself loving any song that he's the "main" lyricist in.
For anyone else that doesn't know, Fort Minor is/was Mike's side project and is completely awesome.
I have no idea why I love his stuff so much even though I really hate rap/hip hop stuff. It's kind of refreshing :)
Anyway, any love for Collision Course?
That is the type of stuff that I don't like personally and thought it was completely retarded to do.. Reanimation was better to me.
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I was watching a twitch stream and got to hear a bunch of pop songs I hadn't heard before. Recognized one or two by name, one or two others were commented on.
Look, I'll be the first to say that I have terrible taste in music, and I don't really have a musical ear besides. That said, every song I heard sounded like the vocals were being stylized by a synthesizer. Is autotune really THAT bad? Because as catchy as some of the toons were, I thought they sounded pretty terrible.
NB: I am also lol-old and a curmudgeon.
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I work in an office on my own computer so I just plug in headphones and Spotify all day
Not sure that would be appropriate where I am. I doubt our company has unlimited bandwidth.
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It seems to me that taking the piss out of Mumford and Sons is our national pasttime (Exhibit A (http://thestraya.com.au/arts-culture/2013/2/20/bearded-man-sick-of-being-mistaken-for-a-member-of-mumford-and-sons) and Exhibit B (http://theshovel.com.au/2013/02/27/man-trips-over-his-banj-accidently-writes-next-mumford-sons-album/)). I do not begrudge this in the slightest :-P
The distressing trend in pop music in Australia is that it's begun sneaking its way into our alternative stations - Our last Triple J Hottest 100 (supposedly the benchmark for what's good music and what isn't) had so many friggin' Top 40 hits I thought I'd got the wrong station. And all the alternative artists seem to be doing is getting more and more electronic and autotuned.
Gahhhhhhhhhh.
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But Australia has AC/DC, Baby Animals and Wolfmother!
Your national identity, summed up in three era-defining bands.
I don't know what it is about Mumford & Sons, I'm just not a folk guy, although I do like the banjo in a novelty kind of way (the same way I like electronic drums, synths, and slap bass).
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Mumford and Sons have made an entire career on shit that all sounds exactly the same.
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A trend I am not liking right now is this whiny, electro, indie keyboard stuff. Things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6PcFFUm5I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6PcFFUm5I) and others like Barbarossa, Metronomy, etc.
It's not that they all sound really similar (though I could argue that they do), it's just that it seems very self absorbed and prentious for the sake of pretentiousness.
Just for transparency, I am also pretty damn pretentious about music myself.
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I used to be really into LP back in middle school (wasn't everyone?) and I still like a few songs from Hybrid Theory and MTM. Their lyrics are fairly generic but I feel like they were willing to dick around and have fun with their production, which is my real problem with a lot of the 'pop' stuff (not just today but ever).
M&S is a great example, they found a sound that works for a lot of people but they don't seem to be having a great deal of fun working on the music itself. I don't want to call it laziness or being formulaic, and just because a song is different doesn't give it merit. I'm just saying you can tell when the producer and the band enjoyed themselves and took a risk with some aspect of the music and that's what makes it interesting.
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Simple rock is this: piano, guitars, drums. Too much else and you ruin things.
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Ummm
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Simple rock is this: piano, guitars, drums. Too much else and you ruin things.
No singing? No bass? :roll:
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Well, of course. You need to have Sir Paul do something in his old age, no? ;)
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I've always liked bands with horns in them.
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And a crowd of young boys, they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles
They don't give a damn about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll
Then the Sultans, yeah, the Sultans they play Creole
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I've always liked bands with horns in them.
you should listen to Cursive.
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Any band with me in has always got the horn.
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Black metal bands usually have horns.
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"Call Me Maybe" gave me hope, but that hope is slowly fading again. Most distressing trends, to me, are autotune, mediocre lyrics and songs being crafted as radio-station "filler" with a shelf-life of a couple of months.
I get around some of these problems by listening to non-English pop where you have some other musical influences and where I often don't even understand the mediocre lyrics :o
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Does this give you more or less hope? :)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7fyqkUcnF1qfrjsko1_500.jpg)
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I work in an office on my own computer so I just plug in headphones and Spotify all day
Not sure that would be appropriate where I am. I doubt our company has unlimited bandwidth.
I dunno if mine does either. I also don't particularly care honestly.
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I have unlimited mobile bandwidth (in theory, at least), I'd be surprised if there was a landline without unlimited bandwidth.
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I'd be surprised if anyone anywhere in Canada had unlimited bandwidth.
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Wait, seriously?
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I think there might be some confusion here between a domestic "landline" - i.e. cable or ADSL - and a commercial landline - which may well be a dedicated fibre. Some domestic services are truly unlimited (but often, in the UK at least, with a "fair usage" policy that means they can restrict you at will), and many commercial services are actually changed by the amount of traffic, and so are not unlimited at a flat charging rate, as a domestic link might be.
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things that give me greater faith in pop music: Lorde's song making fun of pop culture as a whole being entirely about who's the biggest fuckhead is the one that won 'best song' at the Grammys. suck on that, shitpop world