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Title: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: blacksinow on 26 Dec 2013, 16:01
So I thought about an interesting activity, a fake debate. We are debating on whether or not the color red is the most superior color in the visual spectrum.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2013, 16:14
No it isn't.

*click*
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Post by: GarandMarine on 26 Dec 2013, 16:18
This isn't an argument it's just contradiction!
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 26 Dec 2013, 16:25
No it isn't.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2013, 16:26
We've got an eater!

I'll get the oven on.

...wait did I mess this up?
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 26 Dec 2013, 16:28
Nah, it was perfect. Never change.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2013, 16:31
Aw shucks.
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Post by: Loki on 26 Dec 2013, 16:42
From a study, we found that 87,3% of Americans prefer watching the color red to sharing a enclosed space with an angry porcupine. Buy the color red today!

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Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2013, 16:44
I read that in a Bioshock type fake perky voice and it helped.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: blacksinow on 26 Dec 2013, 16:51
Well you know, the blues are ALWAYS angry and they've hated red... Neither of them really like the color purple.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2013, 16:55
*nudge* Salvage job's unnecessary, bro. The patient's already dead, and we've molested its corpse.

Well, I have anyway, and Loki probably has. Anyone else? Anyone molest it yet? There's still time, it's warm!
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 26 Dec 2013, 17:05
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0518_050518_redsports.html

Red jerseys-ed teams win more often.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 26 Dec 2013, 19:04
Blue and green foster learning and seriously if you ever have an accent wall in a classroom, I can almost always guarantee it's blue or green. Maybe purple. But never red. Red is distracting. And the color of bloody weddings!
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Post by: Aimless on 26 Dec 2013, 19:17
RED
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Indigo
Violet
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: GarandMarine on 26 Dec 2013, 20:20
Reeeeed the blood of angry men!

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Post by: celticgeek on 26 Dec 2013, 22:08
RED

There, that should do it.
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Post by: mustang6172 on 26 Dec 2013, 23:06
White is the best color because it's all colors combined!  Or maybe that's black.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 26 Dec 2013, 23:26
Black is the absorption of all colors, white is the reflection.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: ankhtahr on 27 Dec 2013, 00:10
Especially talking about the colour spectrum? Photons of most other colours are of higher energy! Red can't be superior!
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Akima on 27 Dec 2013, 00:15
Red is an auspicious colour that frightens away demons! It symbolises fire, joy, and good fortune. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_in_Chinese_culture#Red)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Loki on 27 Dec 2013, 01:19
Especially talking about the colour spectrum? Photons of most other colours are of higher energy! Red can't be superior!
This reminds me I actually held a presentation on the color red in my arts class. (We all did presentations on different colors).
Now if I remembered anything else of it, it surely would come in handy now.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Metope on 27 Dec 2013, 03:09
Paintings with the colour red in them sell quicker and for more money than other paintings.

Here are some more tips from John Baldessari:
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e6/68/e668e2326a7f6e51b7e9ccbc6754cf6f.jpg?itok=pvf2hifA)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 27 Dec 2013, 05:52
That's depressing.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 27 Dec 2013, 06:08
I hear red is the new blue this season
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 27 Dec 2013, 06:50
Paintings with the colour red in them sell quicker and for more money than other paintings.

That reminds me of a saying one of my professors for us:

If you can't make it good, make it big. If you can't make it big, make it red.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: lepetitfromage on 27 Dec 2013, 10:38
Ha! I love that.

I generally try to go for "good", but "big" is another favorite of mine.  :wink:


God, I miss having access to a huge studio like I did in school. Some of my smallest paintings were 24"x36". Average was around 40x60.



*With regard to the topic at hand: It should be noted that violet/purple is often symbolically used to represent royalty and thus, is better.  :-P
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 27 Dec 2013, 10:41
Didn't that have to do with the relative scarcity of the colours in question? Usually when a colour is rare and expensive, royalty will want to be seen in it.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Grognard on 27 Dec 2013, 11:49
thou commoners should be respectful of the Noble Color.
it isn't RED.

it's SCARLET
(http://0.tqn.com/d/desktoppub/1/G/0/m/3/colorscarlet-new.png)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Loki on 27 Dec 2013, 11:50
Wearing purple stripes on their togas was the prerogative of some of the highest statesmen in Ancient Rome, because purple is so goddamn rare and had to be made from snails.

You can imagine a snail does not give a lot of color.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: jwhouk on 27 Dec 2013, 13:47
I prefer burgundy, myself.

Like the color of my new car.
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Post by: Aimless on 27 Dec 2013, 14:16
Red placebo pills are more effective than placebo pills of other colours.

White is the best color because it's all colors combined!

White is a butt and you are also a butt!
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 27 Dec 2013, 20:46
Meh. Blue is better. The sky is blue! It makes me happy! I would be scared if the sky were red! Also blue fire is way cooler than not-blue fire!

God, I miss having access to a huge studio like I did in school. Some of my smallest paintings were 24"x36". Average was around 40x60.

I didn't paint, mostly did prints, drawings, and ceramics and typically preferred smaller things. I think I typically worked with in the 5x6-24x36 range. Mostly because bigger pieces of wood/lino/zinc are expensive! And ceramics can get very heavy very fast!
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Metope on 28 Dec 2013, 02:23
My tutors have told me to start painting 4x5 and 5x6 feet, which is kind of terrifying. I've never made anything that big before, but I think they're right. I should definitely do it while i have the chance.

Not sure I'll use a lot of red though, I subconsciously steer away from that colour for some reason.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 28 Dec 2013, 06:56
Didn't that have to do with the relative scarcity of the colours in question? Usually when a colour is rare and expensive, royalty will want to be seen in it.

It was actually about how they were able to make the color purple: the shells needed to make the pigment were hard to get and thus more expensive and thus could only be afforded by the rich and powerful- kings, nobility etc.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 28 Dec 2013, 06:57
I argue that Yellow is the most superior color as it is bound by neither gender and you would be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't like the color without some underlying cause  :-D
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 28 Dec 2013, 07:26
Yellow is a nice color. Orange is the bane of existence.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: GarandMarine on 28 Dec 2013, 08:48
Personally I think the standard color for infants should be the previous standard color for lads. Pink. A strong color reminiscent of blood shed and glory found on the battlefield is the only way to mentally prepare for spawn for the horrors of the terrible life you've thrust upon them.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 28 Dec 2013, 09:03
Humans associate short-wavelength light (red, orange) with 'warm' colours and long-wavelength light (blue, violet) with 'cold' colours. We're hardwired to prefer warmth, which is why humans like red so much.

Pop quiz: The human eye is twice as sensitive to green as it is to red and violet. Also, plants are almost always green. Are these two things related?
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Loki on 28 Dec 2013, 13:29
Yellow is a nice color. Orange is the bane of existence.
You'd hate my room.

LTK: I have no idea. If I had to guess, I'd say that being more sensitive to green makes you spot movements of predators or prey in the grass more easily and gives you an evolutionary advantage, but my first instinct would be no.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: rschill on 28 Dec 2013, 17:42
I prefer the greens. 

You can take some regular green and it signifies chlorophyl, freshness, life.  If you darken and desaturate it a bit, it seems dry and can almost pass for a earth tone.  lighten it up and put it on a very dark background and it can look electric or like plasma. 

Green is most certainly superior to red.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: blacksinow on 28 Dec 2013, 20:03
But red is the color of blood and the ONLY place where I've seen green blood is the americanized Knights of the Zodiac.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Aimless on 28 Dec 2013, 21:03
Humans associate short-wavelength light (red, orange) with 'warm' colours and long-wavelength light (blue, violet) with 'cold' colours.

Minor quibble: I think it's the other way around (redder = longer wavelength)

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We're hardwired to prefer warmth, which is why humans like red so much.

Another possibility is that we grow to like colours that we subconsciously associate with nice things :o red is also the colour of danger and sweet blushes. Or angry ones :o

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Pop quiz: The human eye is twice as sensitive to green as it is to red and violet. Also, plants are almost always green. Are these two things related?

They may be, indirectly. The sun's peak energy output lies around the greenish wavelengths, so being extra sensitive to greenish photons will make life a little easier for animals who see (and being less sensitive ie. reflecting green photons will make life easier for plants who want to avoid sunburn :o). Sensitivity to green and red may also have been especially advantageous in our ancestral environments, whether we're talking about forests or the savannah.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 28 Dec 2013, 21:34
Red/green colorblindness is the most common colorblindness. Obviously that makes those colors inferior!

(I actually really like green. My favorite colors are typically blue-greens, sometimes purples.)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Aimless on 28 Dec 2013, 21:39
Red/green colorblindness is the most common colorblindness. Obviously that makes those colors inferior!

Ha! Clearly it makes those people inferior!

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Post by: GarandMarine on 28 Dec 2013, 23:34
Blue wins.

(http://www.horsenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/denver-airport-horse.jpg)

Or else.

All hail Bluecifer!

(Bluecifer, formally titled "Blue Mustang" is a massive statue outside Denver International Airport)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Akima on 29 Dec 2013, 04:55
That pic made me think of the Deborah Harry version of Ghost Riders In The Sky:
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on 29 Dec 2013, 06:17
On a musical theme, no song with a colour in the title is better than Paint it Black. Thus black is far ahead of red in the superiority stakes.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 06:34
Or we could argue that red is evil, because the nazi flag had red in it.
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Post by: Nikolai on 29 Dec 2013, 07:05
Wouldn't that by default also make both black and white evil as well?
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 29 Dec 2013, 07:06
Minor quibble: I think it's the other way around (redder = longer wavelength)
Derp, yeah, I always get those mixed up.

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Another possibility is that we grow to like colours that we subconsciously associate with nice things :o red is also the colour of danger and sweet blushes. Or angry ones :o
I think the ubiquity of the red effect points to nature rather than nurture. Also, red is only the colour of danger because humans decided that it should be so. Why did they? Because humans are already sensitive to red.

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They may be, indirectly. The sun's peak energy output lies around the greenish wavelengths, so being extra sensitive to greenish photons will make life a little easier for animals who see (and being less sensitive ie. reflecting green photons will make life easier for plants who want to avoid sunburn :o). Sensitivity to green and red may also have been especially advantageous in our ancestral environments, whether we're talking about forests or the savannah.
Good guess, but like Loki, I think the answer is no. The second factor related to vision is the absorption spectrum of water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Absorption_spectrum_of_liquid_water.png). Animal vision takes advantage of the fact that wavelengths between 300 and 700 nm are the least absorbed by water. Green light, 500 nm, is able to pass through water the easiest! Since life evolved in the water, animals would have to have the ability to see through water first and foremost, which I think explains why our vision (and that of all animals) is centered around green light. We're out of the water now, but light still has to pass through our eyes, which are of course mostly water.

The biological reason we're more sensitive to green, by the way, is because rhodopsin, the light-sensitive molecule in the retina, is excited by light according to a normal distribution. Green light is at the center of that curve, and red and violet are more to the sides. But given the absorption spectrum of water, I think the reason that animals evolved rhodopsin that's sensitive to green light, rather than some other light-sensitive molecule, is because it lets you see through water.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 29 Dec 2013, 09:41
Oi LTK, that's veering dangerously close to use of actual determinable facts. Please keep this discussion fake, or at least reasonably spurious.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 29 Dec 2013, 10:00
No one can stop me from regaling you with my facts! No one!

Blood is red because of the iron in hemoglobin. Copper-based oxygen transport, called hemocyanin, is blue.

Red fireworks are made with lithium salts and strontium salts.

Carmine is a red dye derived from carminic acid, which is extracted from an insect called the cochineal. It can cause severe allergic reactions in some people.

Mwahahahaha!
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Post by: Grognard on 29 Dec 2013, 10:03
I see red when I go on murderous rampages....




...oops.
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Post by: LookingIn on 29 Dec 2013, 10:06
...so is Pink the anti-red? it's a red color but is associated with girls, femininity, flowers, and other things thought to be weaker...
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Post by: LTK on 29 Dec 2013, 10:12
You get pink if you combine the opposite sides of the visible spectrum: it's a combination of red and violet. It is the anti-green.
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Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 10:27
Wouldn't that by default also make both black and white evil as well?

Or that they are linked to atrocities commited by specific nations, Brittain, Spain, Germany, America, Japan, and since nobody likes them... Canada :p
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Post by: Nikolai on 29 Dec 2013, 21:07
I like Canada...
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Post by: Thrillho on 30 Dec 2013, 03:02
Are we taking that joke seriously? For real?
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Post by: Lines on 30 Dec 2013, 07:20
...so is Pink the anti-red? it's a red color but is associated with girls, femininity, flowers, and other things thought to be weaker...

Actually pink used to be a color for young boys because it's a tint of red! Light blue was for girls because it symbolized the Virgin Mary. And then in the 20s for some dumb reason it switched.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 30 Dec 2013, 07:37
The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 30 Dec 2013, 07:43
The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.

On the contrary, most shades of pink are red with hints of white added to it to soften and lighten the color. Violet makes the red darker due to the blue in it, making reds become scarlet and crimson and other colors but not pinkish.
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Post by: LTK on 30 Dec 2013, 07:52
I think that depends on whether you're mixing pigments, or light.
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Post by: LookingIn on 30 Dec 2013, 08:09
I think that depends on whether you're mixing pigments, or light.

True...most people would know it by pigments not by light so I stand by what I said
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Post by: Loki on 30 Dec 2013, 08:39
Yes, they could tell from some of the pigments and from having seen quite a lot of pictures in their life.
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Post by: lepetitfromage on 30 Dec 2013, 08:51
My tutors have told me to start painting 4x5 and 5x6 feet, which is kind of terrifying. I've never made anything that big before, but I think they're right. I should definitely do it while i have the chance.

Not sure I'll use a lot of red though, I subconsciously steer away from that colour for some reason.

I generally do too. Pink is fair game but red is used sparingly. Like Linds, I'm partial to blue-greens. Unlike Linds, I also enjoy orange :-P

I know they tell us to avoid it like the plague in art school but I love me a thick and juicy black outline.
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Post by: Lines on 30 Dec 2013, 16:58
The fact that people consider pink to be a tint of red when it is just as close to being a tint of violet further emphasises how sensitive we are to red.

One, it depends on the hue, and two, it depends on pigment vs. light and I'm pretty much always talking about pigment. I think you're talking more about the color magenta and less about baby pink (which is what I thought we were talking about?), which is a straight tint of red (usually crimson).
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Post by: Akima on 30 Dec 2013, 17:12
(http://www.okokchina.com/Files/uppic43/ladies%20Evening%20Dress02600.jpg)
Every girl needs a Little Red Dress.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Dec 2013, 17:49
My favourite color is probably cobalt blue, or something similar. Also I should point out, I just discovered this thread, and it almost makes me regret banning its creator. Alas, it can survive without him. Also...
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Post by: LTK on 30 Dec 2013, 18:08
One, it depends on the hue, and two, it depends on pigment vs. light and I'm pretty much always talking about pigment. I think you're talking more about the color magenta and less about baby pink (which is what I thought we were talking about?), which is a straight tint of red (usually crimson).
True; I was mainly thinking of the definition of pink as light without green in it, which is indeed magenta. So I'm wrong about the perception of pink, but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?
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Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Dec 2013, 18:11
Honestly, when I think of "pink" I think of light purple. I know that's not technically accurate, but meh.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 30 Dec 2013, 18:27
(http://www.okokchina.com/Files/uppic43/ladies%20Evening%20Dress02600.jpg)
Every girl needs a Little Red Dress.

Yes.

Also a little black dress.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 30 Dec 2013, 21:52
but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?

I dunno. That's getting into Science! and not Aht! so I am clueless.

Honestly, when I think of "pink" I think of light purple. I know that's not technically accurate, but meh.

So...lavender?
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Loki on 31 Dec 2013, 03:44
True; I was mainly thinking of the definition of pink as light without green in it, which is indeed magenta. So I'm wrong about the perception of pink, but that does make me wonder why colour mixing works with RGB when blue isn't at the end of the spectrum. Two waves of light hitting your retina, one of 700 nm and the other of 450 nm, have the same effect as one wave of light of 400 nm. Why?
Guesswork: because perception of color isn't evenly distributed, as was said upthread. (I actually knew this because I recently researched how to recognize "dark" backgrounds vs "light" backgrounds on e.g. a webpage and adjust the font color brightness accordingly for easier reading. For anyone interested in that problem, see here (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1855884/determine-font-color-based-on-background-color))
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Post by: Metope on 31 Dec 2013, 04:17
My tutors have told me to start painting 4x5 and 5x6 feet, which is kind of terrifying. I've never made anything that big before, but I think they're right. I should definitely do it while i have the chance.

Not sure I'll use a lot of red though, I subconsciously steer away from that colour for some reason.

I generally do too. Pink is fair game but red is used sparingly. Like Linds, I'm partial to blue-greens. Unlike Linds, I also enjoy orange :-P

I know they tell us to avoid it like the plague in art school but I love me a thick and juicy black outline.

My tutors never told me to avoid red, but I guess they probably didn't do it because I never used it much in the first place. I've never gotten told off for using black outlines either, but I did get told off for being lazy and using black out of the tube. They want us to mix our own blacks (using viridian green and alizarin crimson) which I can totally understand since the pre-mixed one is really dull in comparison.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Dec 2013, 04:28
So...lavender?
No, just really light purple.
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Post by: lepetitfromage on 31 Dec 2013, 05:58
My tutors never told me to avoid red, but I guess they probably didn't do it because I never used it much in the first place. I've never gotten told off for using black outlines either, but I did get told off for being lazy and using black out of the tube. They want us to mix our own blacks (using viridian green and alizarin crimson) which I can totally understand since the pre-mixed one is really dull in comparison.

Ha! I used to get told that alllll the time. I was sneaky/lazy/poor (black is so much cheaper!) for a while and just mixed some viridian and alizarin into my tube black for a while but it really is worth it to mix it yourself.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Jan 2014, 15:16
Why are reds considered warmer than blues when an object has to be hotter to produce noticeable amounts of blue light that is has to be for red?
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Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jan 2014, 15:17
Are they? I thought blue was the warmest color.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 03 Jan 2014, 15:52
Why are reds considered warmer than blues when an object has to be hotter to produce noticeable amounts of blue light that is has to be for red?
How is that relevant when objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history? Well, except for the sun, but sunlight has never changed.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jan 2014, 18:53
Wait, what?
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2014, 02:04
objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history?

In the days before humanity evolved central heating, there was this thing called a "fire" which contained glowing objects - and they were never blue.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: GarandMarine on 04 Jan 2014, 02:23
Well. You can make fire that hot....

I also hear tell there's this thing called magma which stays in the red/yellow half of the spectrum. Red is also associated with blood, which is usually a fairly warm (literally) substance....
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 04 Jan 2014, 03:45
objects that are hot enough to glow have never existed together with humans in our evolutionary history?

In the days before humanity evolved central heating, there was this thing called a "fire" which contained glowing objects - and they were never blue.
I daresay that humans' ability to see colours will have evolved hundreds of thousands of years before fire was discovered. You could argue that the association between colour and temperature was only developed afterwards, but that raises the question of why we have evolved colour vision in the first place.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Metope on 04 Jan 2014, 07:01
Well, the sun is always yellow or orange, and fire did exist before humans learned to control it. Fire isn't exactly a human invention... Plus, the night is always dark and cold, and the colours you can see when it's dark are mostly blue and grey-ish. Plus, ice is often light blue due to the microorganisms that can live there.

However, we don't know when the associations were developed or if they changed, but I'd argue the associations various colours had before the stone age has little impact on how we perceive things today, that their colour associations were the same as ours or not doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 04 Jan 2014, 09:48
If I remember anything from stellar science is that blue stars are the smallest and hottest stars, while red stars are the coldest and largest stars. Therefore, sometimes red does not equal hot the way we think it does  :-D :psyduck:
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 04 Jan 2014, 11:26
That's what I meant up there.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LTK on 04 Jan 2014, 11:34
How easy our lives would be if the human brain perceived things in a scientifically accurate way.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jan 2014, 11:38
Meaning...what?
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jan 2014, 11:51
With proper measurement!

(http://cassland.org/images/QC/OldMeter.jpg)
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jan 2014, 13:25
I wish I could see more colours than I do.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 04 Jan 2014, 14:20
That's what I meant up there.

My idiocy strikes again... :-(
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: LookingIn on 04 Jan 2014, 14:21
How easy our lives would be if the human brain perceived things in a scientifically accurate way.

I'd settle for being able to get the brain to get on the same page as the memory...
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Lines on 05 Jan 2014, 04:44
So...lavender?
No, just really light purple.

That's what lavender is... A pastel purple.
Title: Re: Fake Discussion : Red is the most superior color of the spectrum!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Jan 2014, 10:14
No, I mean I think of pink itself as a very light purple.