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Title: Movies that are considered bad that you enjoyed.
Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 14:29
They are all there, considered terrible by the standards of everyone else in the world, but you ended up liking them for some reason. Which movies are they?

Three come into mind for me.

1. Super Mario Brothers - A movie that to this day, I still don't believe could've been any better, but ended up being really fun.
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - Despite being an unusual take on history and mythology, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, even if Shiah LeBouf was in it.
3. Street Fighter - I've heard a few comment that this movie was terrible, still thought it was fun.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Dec 2013, 15:31
I liked KotCS a lot! And to the people who hate it, I can't imagine people thinking it worse than Temple of Doom. I'd take Shia over Short Round any day.
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Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 17:24
I think it was because of the whole aliens thing and the fridge exposed to nuclear blast. I did like it, I'll admit that it felt more fast-paced then the others though.
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Post by: LookingIn on 29 Dec 2013, 18:05
The real problem with KotCS and any remakes or continuations is simply people go into the movie with preconceived notions that it will suck. They don't give it a fair chance, if you think something will suck then it's going to appear worse than it actually is.

I'll add in that I liked the Transformers franchise movies. They were exactly what they were supposed to be: giant robots that transform and have a war in the human world. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Dec 2013, 18:09
See, I went into the first Transformers and liked it a lot. Then I saw the second one and it was boring as shit. I'll check out the third one eventually.
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Post by: LookingIn on 29 Dec 2013, 18:26
In all of the hatred for Shia I haven't heard much actual substance as to why people dislike him- is it because he is a former Disney actor?
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Post by: blacksinow on 29 Dec 2013, 18:29
I tried to like it, but Shia LeBouf always plays as this role where the character makes everything about them, rather then just doing what their supposed to do. But to be fair, I don't care much for alot of Transformers in general.
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Post by: Lupercal on 09 Jan 2014, 15:07
KotCS: The more I watch it, the more I enjoy it and ignore its problems. I mean, I watched the Last Crusade the other day - a Knight a few hundred years old guarding the Holy Grail is surely no less plausible than a race of Aliens who...erm...kind of forgotten the point of the aliens in that film. Anyway, people cite stuff like the fridge nuke and aliens as a problem, but for me, it's just as real as a universe that contains the Ark of the Covenant, Voodoo, and the Holy Grail and centuries-old Knights.

'Bad' films that I like:

Wyatt Erp (1994) - a film that came out in the same year as Tombstone and seems to be the weaker of the two, but I love it. Great acting, fantastic score, and great pacing. I love Costner in a good 'western'.

Transformers was fine - Dark of the Moon wasn't actually anywhere near as bad as the second one. It's robots smashing the crap out of each other, which is all I wanted.

Most Bond films get a free pass because, hey, its Bond. Although Die Another Day is still the worst.
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Post by: LeeC on 09 Jan 2014, 15:19
Judge Dredd
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1luLRXKoJM8/Sc4rTB5XnMI/AAAAAAAAPiU/6L3n5DN0KaM/s400/Sylvester-Stallone_Judge_l.jpg)
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Post by: 94ssd on 09 Jan 2014, 17:18
Judge Dredd

That's what I was going to say, actually.
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Post by: LeeC on 09 Jan 2014, 17:31
"I knew you were going to say that"-Judge Dredd

good drinking game is to take a drink whenever he says that or anyone says "LAW"

no way you can finish the movie taking shots of tequila!
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Post by: LookingIn on 09 Jan 2014, 17:41
One I enjoyed watching over and over again: The Flintstones. Yabba Dabba Doo!
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Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jan 2014, 18:43
I've never actually seen the original Judge Dredd, but the Dredd remake with Bones and Cersei? Holy shit, that was good.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 09 Jan 2014, 19:26
The first one is a pretty good terrible, Sylvester Stallone being hammy as hell and Rob Schneider, but the new one is awesome.
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Post by: 94ssd on 09 Jan 2014, 19:28
Rob Schneider's existence upsets me.
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Post by: LookingIn on 09 Jan 2014, 23:23
What's wrong with a movie that
(click to show/hide)
Nope, nothing wrong with that...
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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 07:03
@LookingIn: I would put that in a spoiler considering some have not seen the movie.
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Post by: ev4n on 10 Jan 2014, 07:37
Does What Dreams May Come qualify?
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 10 Jan 2014, 09:12
@LookingIn: I would put that in a spoiler considering some have not seen the movie.

Really? The movie came out in 1995. But here's a quote from Stallone about it

Quote
I loved that property when I read it, because it took a genre that I love, what you could term the 'action morality film' and made it a bit more sophisticated. It had political overtones. It showed how if we don't curb the way we run our judicial system, the police may end up running our lives. It dealt with archaic governments; it dealt with cloning and all kinds of things that could happen in the future. It was also bigger than any film I've done in its physical stature and the way it was designed. All the people were dwarfed by the system and the architecture; it shows how insignificant human beings could be in the future. There's a lot of action in the movie and some great acting, too. It just wasn't balls to the wall. But I do look back on Judge Dredd as a real missed opportunity. It seemed that lots of fans had a problem with Dredd removing his helmet, because he never does in the comic books. But for me it is more about wasting such great potential there was in that idea; just think of all the opportunities there were to do interesting stuff with the Cursed Earth scenes. It didn't live up to what it could have been. It probably should have been much more comic, really humorous, and fun. What I learned out of that experience was that we shouldn't have tried to make it Hamlet; it's more Hamlet and Eggs..
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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 09:33
It may have come out in 1995 but that doesnt mean everyone has seen it.  Would you spoil the end of Macbeth for someone who never read it?
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Post by: LookingIn on 10 Jan 2014, 09:56
@LookingIn: I would put that in a spoiler considering some have not seen the movie.

For a movie over 20 years later? Or that the source material is over 36 years old? OK I'll edit.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 10 Jan 2014, 10:00
It may have come out in 1995 but that doesnt mean everyone has seen it.  Would you spoil the end of Macbeth for someone who never read it?

You're comparing a timeless classic to a film with Sylvester Stallone.
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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 10:05
oh I know :-D (the though occurred to me before I posted and gave me a giggle) but the point is still valid.  method even said he hasn't seen it yet.

You ever watch plinkett's review of Star Wars: revenge of the sith he compares the prequel trilogy to Citizen Kane. "is it fair? Nope!"-Plinkett.
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Post by: 94ssd on 10 Jan 2014, 12:28
It may have come out in 1995 but that doesnt mean everyone has seen it.  Would you spoil the end of Macbeth for someone who never read it?

Spoil the ending of the Scottish Play? It's a Shakespearean tragedy, so...

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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 12:30
thats untrue, not everyone dies in tragedy writings by Shakespeare....just most of them.
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Post by: 94ssd on 10 Jan 2014, 12:31
thats untrue, not everyone dies in tragedy writings by Shakespeare....just most of them.

If their name is in the title of the play they're fucked, though.
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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 12:35
I will not dispute that, but you'd either have to know enough about Shakespear (or J RR Martin) to know that with out reading.  Which could be a spoiler for those who do not.
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Post by: LookingIn on 10 Jan 2014, 12:40
At least with Macbeth, you can't spoil it since it's history- politicized and romanticized history, but still history.
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Post by: LeeC on 10 Jan 2014, 12:57
I get yelled at for spoiling that the Titantic sinks....
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Post by: Kugai on 10 Jan 2014, 13:14
thats untrue, not everyone dies in tragedy writings by Shakespeare....just most of them.

Only because it's Shakespeare and not George R.R. Martin
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Post by: LookingIn on 10 Jan 2014, 13:39
I get yelled at for spoiling that the Titantic sinks....

Well you can't always account for idiocy in people...
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Post by: Aimless on 10 Jan 2014, 14:30
Without a doubt Transformers. I just get really happy when I see it, although I think the robots themselves kinda detract a little from the experience :o I hear a lot of people didn't like Independence Day either, so that'd also be on my list.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jan 2014, 20:01
I saw someone reading Macbeth on the train the other day. I couldn't help myself, I leaned over and said "he dies, you know" :parrot:

(It was a high school kid reading it for class, he both knew that already and laughed, so phew)
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Post by: Lupercal on 11 Jan 2014, 16:04
Meh, seems like Independence Day is on every 4th July and Christmas, for some reason. Never thought it was that bad, Jeff Goldblum is wonderful and this was back when Will Smith was pretty good.

Welcome to Erff.
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Post by: 94ssd on 11 Jan 2014, 16:54
I really like The Island.
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Post by: LookingIn on 11 Jan 2014, 20:37
Wild Wild West. Will Smith as the straight man and Kenneth Branagh as the overly quirky goof was good. The hell with historical accuracy, the hell with the original TV show- it was funny and exciting.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jan 2014, 07:40
Haha shit, the kid was reading Hamlet, just realized I said Macbeth.

Also I've never seen Independence Day, but I thought it was universally loved.
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Post by: Blyss on 13 Jan 2014, 10:18
I really like split second with Rutger Hauer.

One of the best "bad" movies ever.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jan 2014, 19:56
Rutger Hauer will always be the Cardinal from Sin City to me.
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Post by: Blyss on 15 Jan 2014, 11:13
See, to me he's always the guy from the Hitcher.  That original version gave me fucking chills.
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Post by: Lupercal on 15 Jan 2014, 12:41
Haha shit, the kid was reading Hamlet, just realized I said Macbeth.

Also I've never seen Independence Day, but I thought it was universally loved.

Well, it's pretty much "America Wins: The Motion Picture" so it is pretty well loved.

As an Englishman...I think it's certainly better than a lot of other films!
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Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jan 2014, 14:38
Spoilers, dude! :roll:
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jan 2014, 02:53
Why the fuck have I not replied to this thread yet? I am CRAZY about bad movies. I love the Highlander films no matter how terrible they get, I consider Showgirls to be one of my favourite comedies, and I watch The Room all the time.

Also, the obvious, Troll II.

You can't piss on hospitality.

I WON'T ALLOW IT
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Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jan 2014, 04:25
God damn it, I still haven't seen The Room. I MUST SEE THE ROOM.
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jan 2014, 05:23
You need to, Meth. It is just wall to wall hilarious.

I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT IT'S CONFIDENTIAL anyway how is your sex life
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Post by: LookingIn on 16 Jan 2014, 07:04
Anyone see The Garbage Pail Kids Movie? The live-action adaptation of the comedic trading cards from the early/mid 80s? Universally hated but was so bad it was funny.
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jan 2014, 07:34
Eurgh I couldn't stand that movie, it's impossibly unpleasant.
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Post by: LeeC on 16 Jan 2014, 07:41
the kids are so far in the uncanny valley I can't handle it.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Jan 2014, 09:57
Starship Troopers. (All of them with Casper VanDien)
The original Stargate
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jan 2014, 09:59
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.
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Post by: Pilchard123 on 16 Jan 2014, 10:37
The original Stargate

I have that on DVD...with Greek subtitles. It makes understanding the Goa'uld/Abydosian parts rather difficult, though I'm not sure that it doesn't improve it in some ways.
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Post by: LookingIn on 16 Jan 2014, 11:15
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.

It's biggest problem was that it was being compared to the book, but the movie was also something entirely of its own that didn't require you to know anything about the book to enjoy it for what it was.
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Post by: Lupercal on 19 Jan 2014, 04:04
Spoilers, dude! :roll:

You survived not knowing anything about this film since 1996? It's played every July 4th even in the UK!
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Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Jan 2014, 07:54
Did you not see the :roll: ?

:parrot:

And oddly enough...yeah. I know pretty much nothing about it.
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Post by: Kugai on 25 Jan 2014, 13:32
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.

I'm still waiting for Verhovens flogging in Public Square.
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Post by: LeeC on 27 Jan 2014, 07:16
Anger Managment.  For an Adam Sandler movie, it was great!
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Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jan 2014, 07:18
'It might have given me cancer, but it was the best KIND of cancer!'
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Post by: Pilchard123 on 27 Jan 2014, 10:02
That would be testicular, IIRC. I think it has the highest 10-year survival rate (in the UK, YMMV elsewhere).
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Post by: pwhodges on 27 Jan 2014, 10:28
(Waves)

24 years here.
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Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jan 2014, 11:20
Every year you're still around is a blessing, Hodgy. We're lucky to have you here as our mod-in-chief.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jan 2014, 15:01
Anger Managment.  For an Adam Sandler movie, it was great!
For a 21 Century Adam Sandler movie, you mean.
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Post by: lepetitfromage on 31 Jan 2014, 09:43
Oh jeez. I love crappy movies. If it tanked at the box office, you can be sure I've seen it at least once.


For starters, yes to a few previously mentioned: Starship Troopers, Transformers and Independence Day. I'm a huge fan of Will Smith's alien movies. I've seen the first two MIB movies at least 20 times each. Only seen the third twice, but give it time.  :-P I'm obsessed with all of them.

Other "winners" that I love:

Grandma's Boy
Dude, Where's My Car?
Bio Dome
Joe Dirt
Zoolander
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Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jan 2014, 13:38
Grandma's Boy is criminally underrated.
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Post by: LookingIn on 31 Jan 2014, 20:22
I loved Joe Dirt, funny and contains a lot of jokes and references that now make sense seeing it subsequent times.

I'll add in a Joe Dirt rip-off: "Bubble Boy".
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Post by: J on 06 Feb 2014, 00:40
i only ever saw part of joe dirt, & didn't find it all that funny. however, it has christopher walken saying "stab you in the face with a soldering iron (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd7htfeXCO4)", & for that i am eternally grateful.


The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.

I'm still waiting for Verhovens flogging in Public Square.

they forced the guy who made robocop to base his movie on a book he didn't even like. what would you expect him to do with it?



my personal favorite bad movie would have to be Street Fighter. love everything about it: raul julia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzl3uvkkmmo), van damme's comically thick accent, raul julia, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoDfcQSfZVo) the cheesy plot that has nothing to do with street fighting, raul julia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shxiy7l5b_4), the stupid one-liners, raul julia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVzAMmpMra8), the pointless secondary characters, raul julia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mKeEvJ41w) and of course raul fucking julia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBc7yQXrP9c)
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Post by: Thrillho on 06 Feb 2014, 00:54
I have a Facebook group called 'Street Fighter is the greatest fucking movie ever made.'
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Post by: lepetitfromage on 06 Feb 2014, 11:36
Hehehe. I have one called "The Derek Zoolander Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good.....or just go to Fashion School"

Ah, FIT. Good times. :-)
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Post by: Akima on 06 Feb 2014, 14:18
I have a Facebook group called 'Street Fighter is the greatest fucking movie ever made.'
Which one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(disambiguation))? Assuming you mean the 1994 effort, at least they cast a Chinese actor (Wen Mingna) to play Chun Li. And Raul Julia was awesome... Of Course!!!
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Post by: Thrillho on 06 Feb 2014, 14:22
OF COURSE I meant that one.
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Post by: 94ssd on 23 Feb 2014, 18:18
I think the movie version of The Producers musical (which got very mixed reviews) was fantastic, with my only complaint being that they cut my favorite song (at least it is avaliable as a deleted scene). Nathan Lane is perfect.

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Post by: TheCollyWolly on 25 Feb 2014, 08:58
I don't think anyone actually hates Big Trouble in Little China, but that's probably my favorite movie of all time.

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Post by: Kugai on 25 Feb 2014, 14:10
Stop, Or My Mom Will Shoot!
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Post by: TheCollyWolly on 25 Feb 2014, 14:20
There was a movie called Surf Nazis Must Die on Netflix a few years ago, and let me tell you. That movie is the holy fucking grail of bad movies.
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Post by: sandysmilinstrange on 25 Feb 2014, 20:30
So many...

Fern Gully. Tastes like childhood.
Stepford Wives. The remake. I get it, I get it. I just like it.
The Road to El Dorado. I see its problems, I just also see Kenneth Branagh and Kevin Kline getting to improvise scenes together and BE SO AWESOME. Oh my gosh.
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Post by: Kugai on 25 Feb 2014, 20:33
I have three words for you

Last Action Hero
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Post by: J on 25 Feb 2014, 23:07
last action hero is a severely underrated comedy.
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Post by: Thrillho on 26 Feb 2014, 01:03
The Road to El Dorado. I see its problems, I just also see Kenneth Branagh and Kevin Kline getting to improvise scenes together and BE SO AWESOME. Oh my gosh.

I honestly thought this was great, and some of the animation is flat out incredible.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 26 Feb 2014, 07:34
I have a secret enjoyment for movies featuring Jean Claude van Dam. He's like Ahnuld, but more of a Fighter class individual to Ahnulds incredible hulk
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Post by: mustang6172 on 26 Feb 2014, 18:22
Celtic Pride.  It's the Judd Apatow movie I love and everyone else seems to hate.

The Judd Apatow movie I hate and everyone else seems to love:  The 40-Year-Old Virgin.
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Post by: J on 07 Apr 2014, 01:13
let the record show that i absolutely love The Running Man.

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Post by: jwhouk on 07 Apr 2014, 05:06
That's not a bad movie. Dated, perhaps, but not bad.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 14 Apr 2014, 21:37
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.

I'm still waiting for Verhovens flogging in Public Square.

Still this.

And as I drunkenly mentioned elsewhere. I fucking love Wing Commander.
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Post by: Edguy on 15 Apr 2014, 06:27
I always though The Punisher (2004) was a pretty cool movie, although I haven't seen it since I was like 12 or something..
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Post by: J on 15 Apr 2014, 07:05
god, damn, did you just make me feel old.
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Post by: Blyss on 16 Apr 2014, 12:52
Okay, put some more thought into this.

I always liked Tango and Cash - even though I admit it is awful.

I loved the American Ninja movies (yeah, all of them) even though I knew I was watching crap.  I couldn't get enough.

Lawnmower man is still a favorite.  Jeff Fahey and Pierce Brosnan - great actors - terrible movie.

Zombie Strippers was great.  Awful, but great.

House, and house II - but the first one more than the second.

I thought Flash Gordon was the greatest movie of all time when it came out - now, not so much.

Always liked Heathers.  I'm a Christian Slater fan, and Winona Ryder was just a bonus.

I guess that's about it for now.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Apr 2014, 13:04
Wait, when has Heathers ever been considered not a classic?
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Post by: J on 16 Apr 2014, 14:47
wait, people think flash gordon was bad?
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Apr 2014, 17:56
Flash Gordon is absolute trash. Entertaining, but trash.
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Post by: J on 16 Apr 2014, 18:05
but that's exactly what it's trying to be! it is a successful and perfectly executed attempt of campy, retro, shlock.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Apr 2014, 18:23
Its intention is irrelevant.
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Post by: J on 16 Apr 2014, 18:40
i disagree to an extent. a film that successfully accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do is at least worthy of a bit of respect, regardless of whatever that happened to be.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Apr 2014, 19:13
See, I'm the opposite. If it utterly failed in its intention, but accidentally succeeds in another (for example, a movie that tried to be scary and ended up hilarious), then it's still a good movie. If a movie tried to be boring and was boring, then...their intention was stupid. Result is the only thing that matters.
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Post by: Thrillho on 17 Apr 2014, 04:03
I disagree with that entirely. Flash is absolute trash but wants to be, and it is entertaining trash. It is ridiculous to give more credit to a film that attempts to be serious horror and ends up as hilarious bullshit than to a film that wants to be trash and SUCCEEDS at being trash. How can that possibly work, Method?

Similarly, a good film can be ruined by its intentions for me. I long ago stopped enjoying Shrek because it is a product of sheer spite against Disney. It's funny, yes, but it's one of the most mean-spirited films I've ever seen.

Still, I wouldn't call Flash a 'good movie.' A cult classic, perhaps, like Troll 2 or something.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Apr 2014, 04:25
How can that possibly work, Method?
Yeah, I guess it doesn't. To be fair, when I go to see those horror movies, I fully expect them to fail as horror and go into them expecting a comedy. So I guess I override their intention with mine? I dunno. But something that's "so bad it's good" is still good.
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Post by: jwhouk on 17 Apr 2014, 04:58
You also have to understand the time frame when Flash Gordon came out. It was an attempt to compete with stuff like Superman and Star Wars, and it kinda failed at both.

And the willing suspension of disbelief went out the window when they decided that he was the quarterback of the New York Jets...
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Post by: Blyss on 05 May 2014, 19:44
Oh, and Torque.  Yep, definitely Torque.
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Post by: Kugai on 06 May 2014, 00:04
You also have to understand the time frame when Flash Gordon came out. It was an attempt to compete with stuff like Superman and Star Wars, and it kinda failed at both.

And the willing suspension of disbelief went out the window when they decided that he was the quarterback of the New York Jets...

Yes, but it was saved by Brian Blessed.
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Post by: Schmorgluck on 21 May 2014, 16:36
I have a secret enjoyment for movies featuring Jean Claude van Dam. He's like Ahnuld, but more of a Fighter class individual to Ahnulds incredible hulk
Would you happen to have seen JCVD? I haven't yet but I've heard good things about it. It's basically an affectionate deconstruction of Jean-Claude Van Damme's image, with him playing as himself.

Anyway, if I get it right, we're here talking of movies we enjoy that are generally considered bad, but not because they are bad, right? (There's already a Terrible Movies thread, after all)

Mine would be Hudson Hawk. Shamelessly campy and hammy, sacrifices pretty much everything to rhythm and fun, almost universally shunned by critics, nearly killed Bruce Willis' carreer... If you can call a movie made for pure uncomplicated entertainment a "pop-corn movie", then I'll go as far as saying this movie is made of pop-corn.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2014, 19:18
(There's already a Terrible Movies thread, after all)
Wait, what? I thought this was that thread.
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Post by: Blyss on 21 May 2014, 21:28
Somewhere is a "good bad movies" thread, but who the hell knows where at this point?

Edited to add:  it's back on page 11.  So fuck that other thread.
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Post by: ev4n on 22 May 2014, 06:48
Wait, when has Heathers ever been considered not a classic?

What Dreams May Come.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2014, 13:41
What does that have to do with Heathers?
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Post by: Blyss on 23 May 2014, 06:07
I've known quite a few people that thought Heathers was bad, but I think that's just a matter of taste.  I enjoy watching it, so it made this list.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 23 May 2014, 20:20
Yeah, but I didn't know it was generally considered bad. I've always heard it talked about as a classic.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 03 Jun 2014, 11:59
Under Siege 1&2 on TV today. They are from Steven Segal ... the Thin years (relatively) so that's okay ... still, watch them, again, or not?
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Post by: Blyss on 03 Jun 2014, 21:27
Do it!
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Post by: hedgie on 05 Jun 2014, 14:01
Yeah, but I didn't know it was generally considered bad. I've always heard it talked about as a classic.

It *isn't* generally considered bad.  95% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes in fact, with an 85% positive audience response.
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Post by: Blyss on 06 Jun 2014, 08:34
Fine, then take Heathers off the list - I wasn't even aware it was worth debating, but whatever.
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Post by: Aimless on 06 Jun 2014, 08:53
The first Under Siege is one of my all-time favourite action movies.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jun 2014, 13:00
I wasn't even aware it was worth debating
That's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:
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Post by: LeeC on 06 Jun 2014, 13:23
DOOM
it was campy but I liked it.  Too bad the FP view was only a minute long.  I also cringed when the Rock would say "Soldiers" instead of "Marines."  If you would argue that they are the same, ask the Marines themselves  :wink: .
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Post by: Blyss on 07 Jun 2014, 09:11
That's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:

I stand corrected then.
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Post by: Pilchard123 on 07 Jun 2014, 09:15
I wasn't even aware it was worth debating
That's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:

No it isn't. You're wrong beca- *trapdoor*
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Post by: Thrillho on 08 Jun 2014, 02:27
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Post by: LeeC on 05 Oct 2014, 08:19
Bram Stoker's Dracula ('92)
I had no idea people thought this was a bad movie.  I quite enjoy it.  Girlfriend watched it for the first time with me last night. She always avoided it because she thought it was a scary movie.  10 minutes in "This is silly!"  :laugh: . Watching again with a person was fun.  She said she read the book back in grade school and the movie follows it pretty well (from what she remembers).  The movie is just so campy and creepy.  Neo's wooden acting is just amazing!  Everyone one else's acting was decent but wow.  Hammy performances all around too.  A ton of topless scenes too.  She agrees with me though once this guys shows up, the movie becomes instantly better:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YQ3ToL-zL-o/TyMH20HwTbI/AAAAAAAAB5o/NrG0qcg24J8/s1600/Abraham+Van+Helsing.jpg)

Just an amazing movie IMHO and a total guilty pleasure in October.  Its a horror-fantasy-erotic-drama film for Halloween.
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Post by: HiFranc on 05 Oct 2014, 12:55
I know that there're several films that I should confess to but the only ones I can think of are:

Somewhere in Time
The Faculty (1998)
High Spirits
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Post by: Fig on 06 Oct 2014, 19:34
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think the Star Wars pre-quel trilogy is that bad.  Sure, Phantom Menace is arguably the weakest of the three, they all have redeeming moments that make them watchable and enjoyable for the most part.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:38
Phantom Menace is arguably the weakest of the three
Incorrect. (Yes, I'm aware you said "arguably". Even so.)
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Post by: Fig on 06 Oct 2014, 19:40
Phantom Menace is arguably the weakest of the three
Incorrect. (Yes, I'm aware you said "arguably". Even so.)

I suppose a case could be made for Attack of the Clones being the weakest due to the horribly dry dialogue between Anakin and Padme.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:45
Well, yeah. Also due to it being the worst by far. That being said, Revenge is pretty damn good.
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Post by: Fig on 06 Oct 2014, 19:49
You'll get no arguments from me on that one.  The novelization of it is even better.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:57
I refuse to read the novelization because I've heard that
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Is this true?
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Post by: Fig on 06 Oct 2014, 20:01
I'm not sure, I'll need to reread it to find out for sure. 
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Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 20:33
I'm really hoping he comes back in episode VII or VIII as a Yoda-like character.
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Post by: hedgie on 06 Oct 2014, 20:40
You mean as a green muppet with Frank Oz's arm up a certain orifice?
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Post by: J on 06 Oct 2014, 21:16
Revenge is pretty damn good.

no, no it is not.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 16:59
Honestly, I'd put it at third overall. 543612. Return is fairly overrated, IMO.
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Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 18:59
I think that's the order I'd rank them in as well.  Empire was my favorite hands down of all six Star Wars movies.

"Luke gets his hand chopped off, finds out Vader is his father, Han get frozen in carbonite and  taken away by Boba Fett!  It ends on such a down note; and that's life really is: A series of down endings.  All Jedi had was a bunch of muppets." 
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Post by: hedgie on 07 Oct 2014, 19:01
But there were only three Star Wars films.
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Post by: Edguy on 09 Oct 2014, 19:21
But there were only three Star Wars films.

What are these "prequels" I hear talk of? I have memory of no such films existing.
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Post by: Kugai on 10 Oct 2014, 14:30
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2918216448/h120B4605/)
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Post by: Blyss on 18 Oct 2014, 19:29
Seeing this thread come up again, I was reminded of a recent re-viewing of Drive Angry.  For the Accountant alone, parts of that movie kick so much ass.  The rest, ugh...
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Post by: Akima on 20 Oct 2014, 01:39
Titan A.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_A.E.) I suppose a film that flopped so completely that it destroyed the studio that made it, and ended the career of Don Bluth, has to be regarded as bad. But I took my forum handle from the name of the lead female character Akima Kunimoto, so obviously I think it has something going for it.
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Post by: pwhodges on 20 Oct 2014, 02:28
It has over four stars on Amazon, so obviously you're not the only one.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Oct 2014, 04:15
Does unsuccessful mean bad?
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Post by: Thrillho on 20 Oct 2014, 04:24
Christ no. More often than not, successful correlates with bad.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Oct 2014, 04:36
That's what I figured, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything bad about Titan A.E. I saw it in theaters and don't really remember it, I should give it a rewatch.
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Post by: Thrillho on 20 Oct 2014, 06:40
Lest we forget, a lot of even the greatest artists in any medium are not appreciated in their own time.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 20 Oct 2014, 15:54
I liked Titan AE
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Post by: J on 20 Oct 2014, 16:27
i think i saw it once, maybe 10 years ago? i seem to remember thinking it was pretty ok.
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Post by: Kugai on 20 Oct 2014, 19:28
It's one of those take it or leave it films.
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Post by: LeeC on 29 Oct 2014, 09:41
Sleepy Hollow.
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/45329-is-sleepy-hollow-secretly-brilliant (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/45329-is-sleepy-hollow-secretly-brilliant)
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Post by: BenRG on 29 Oct 2014, 09:42
"Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" - Treat it as a loving pastiche or parody of 1930s serial dramas (like the 1980s "Flash Gordon") and you'll love every minute of it.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Oct 2014, 09:55
I totally love Sky Captain. For pretty much all the reasons I love those serials. They take themselves so seriously while being so absurd it's hard not to love them.
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Oct 2014, 10:00
Thirding Sky Captain.

Let's see...

Armageddon.
Transformers.

I think that covers Bay.

Mortal Kombat. (I always said it was mind blowing that the terrible fighting game, based on gore and over kill, made a better movie than the best fighting game of the time, Street Fighter. That was a bad film. But, I guess it goes to show that not all properties can cross media.)

Man of Steel.
Sucker Punch.

Can you say Zack Snyder? I knew you could. I went into MoS knowing what it was going to be. I dunno. I think I'm forgiving. But I also don't dig on the whole "you interpretation is not my interpretation so you suck" theory of art criticism. Sucker Punch I went into knowing only that there was twist. Once the movie really gets going, you pretty quickly recognize that the twist is the metaphor it's using. So you end up watching these over the top action scenes and having the jarring revelation (over and over) of what's really going on. Then the end happens, and you're like, "well, the title was honest."
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Post by: Orkboy on 29 Oct 2014, 10:01
I just watched a movie called Split Second.  Rutger Hauer as a Loose Cannon Cop versus Scary Evil Thing in a flooded England.  It's not bad.  Not particularly good either, but still enjoyable.  And it has the mandatory straight-laced partner start yelling about how they need bigger fucking guns, which was oddly hilarious.
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Post by: Thrillho on 29 Oct 2014, 10:03
I always considered Sucker Punch to just be a series of largely pretty awesome music videos with the plot being pretty much entirely irrelevant. Who cares about plot when you have cyberpunk robot wars in WWI with dragons?
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Oct 2014, 10:09
I always considered Sucker Punch to just be a series of largely pretty awesome music videos with the plot being pretty much entirely irrelevant. Who cares about plot when you have cyberpunk robot wars in WWI with dragons?

It is. But it's that thing as produced by a guy wearing trollface. Because if you do think about the plot, you have to accept that the awesome music videos constitute repeated sexual assault and, "oh? did you you start to care about the main character? hahahahahaha!"

Sucker Punch was intended to work on both of those levels. Pay no attention to the plot and it's a popcorn movie. Pay attention, and it's fucking with you.
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Post by: Thrillho on 29 Oct 2014, 10:11
Was going to post saying I tend to try to ignore that aspect of it and realised that makes me one of the worst parts of society  :psyduck:
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Oct 2014, 12:01
I wish that I could have ignored those plot elements in Sucker Punch. I went with my then-room mate to see it in theaters, and by the time it got to the first dream/dance/action sequence I was so much in a panic attack that I was ready to run out of the theater. Had I been there alone, or if the two of us hadn't been the only ones in the theater for that showing I would have. Aside from the those parts, which were awesomely over the top and great, that whole movie seemed designed to repeatedly kick me in all my anxiety/panic trigger points. I don't think I could even go back and just watch those action scenes again, and certainly not the movie. Just thinking about it makes me all panicky.
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Oct 2014, 12:42
I wish that I could have ignored those plot elements in Sucker Punch. I went with my then-room mate to see it in theaters, and by the time it got to the first dream/dance/action sequence I was so much in a panic attack that I was ready to run out of the theater. Had I been there alone, or if the two of us hadn't been the only ones in the theater for that showing I would have. Aside from the those parts, which were awesomely over the top and great, that whole movie seemed designed to repeatedly kick me in all my anxiety/panic trigger points. I don't think I could even go back and just watch those action scenes again, and certainly not the movie. Just thinking about it makes me all panicky.

I think that (and Zack Snyder's name) are the reason it's considered bad. Sucker Punch is taking the notion of using fantasy as escapism up to 11, and leaving the audience to sort out the uncomfortable fact that the escapism is subbing for something horrendous. I think that's viewed as a cheap way to invoke emotion. Artifical rather than Artful. I can kind of see the point, but the movie is called Sucker Punch. Right out of the gate, it's saying this is going to be a cheap shot. There's an implicit challenge to that--can you dodge?

I think part of the negative attitude comes from the fact that most people either couldn't or ignored the subsurface plot and found it vapid.  I don't know if it's actually a good film at all. But I left the theater satiated on gonzo action and thinking, "The title did not lie. Sucker Punch. I was so busy fending off the obvious moves, I didn't see the cheap shot coming, and it got me." So I give it a B-. I got what I paid for, and I was warned, so I can't claim I was tricked.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Oct 2014, 16:02
If Zach Snyder is inherently associate with poor quality, then I'm gonna have to go with his remake (and debut, I think) of Dawn of the Dead. Possibly my favorite modern (non-comedy) horror movie. It's on par with Romero's.

Also Watchmen is excellent, and the one major thing he changed makes so much more sense.
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Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Oct 2014, 16:34
My big guilty pleasure is old B movies... especially Plan 9 from Outer Space.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Oct 2014, 16:36
I honestly can't think of anyone who watched that movie and didn't enjoy it. To be fair, nobody who watches that movie goes in not knowing what they're in for.
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Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Oct 2014, 17:00
Yeah, I guess if you're going to watch in the first place you're kinda predisposed to like it.
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Post by: SubaruStephen on 29 Oct 2014, 17:04
Also Watchmen is excellent, and the one major thing he changed makes so much more sense.

Finally, someone who agrees with me!
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Oct 2014, 17:16
I don't even understand the negative view of Watchmen. I can't consider it a bad movie. That's why it's not on my list.
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Post by: Blyss on 29 Oct 2014, 19:45
I just watched a movie called Split Second.  Rutger Hauer as a Loose Cannon Cop versus Scary Evil Thing in a flooded England.  It's not bad.  Not particularly good either, but still enjoyable.  And it has the mandatory straight-laced partner start yelling about how they need bigger fucking guns, which was oddly hilarious.

Split Second is one of my favorite good/bad movies.  I still remember watching it when it came out, and laughing my ass off so much.  So much of the story is just, "huh?" but then there's the moments of ,"too fucking small!"  and I really do like that movie.
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Post by: Kugai on 29 Oct 2014, 22:53
I have one word for you

DOOM
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Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Oct 2014, 16:17
Waterworld

Castle of The Living Dead

Mario Bava's Black Sunday.
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Post by: Stoon on 31 Oct 2014, 22:22
Oh!  The movie that I love the most that fits this category is Ice Pirates. 

So bad, that it's good.

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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 31 Oct 2014, 23:59
Ugh. Space herpes.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 01 Nov 2014, 02:17
Swinging in late for Sky Captain.

Watched two of my favorites that get lampooned a little here and there tonight.
Pandorum - Which remains one of my favorite movies but got no press and was received like lukewarm porridge in the middle of a busy release schedule
Dog Soldiers - My favorite Werewolf/Horror movie.
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Post by: sitnspin on 01 Nov 2014, 07:51
"Dog Soldiers" was a solid werewolf film, one of the better ones, really. Check out "Wolfen" if haven't seen it. It's not strictly speaking a werewolf movie, but it runs up close enough to warrant comparison.

One film I like that apparently a lot of people thought sucked is "Ravenous" with Guy Pierce and Robert Carlyle. I loved it.


In the so bad it's good category, I am going to recommend "Dead and Breakfast". It is laughably bad, but richly entertaining. The singing greek chorus/narrator is this cheesy country/rap fusion guy.
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Post by: Emperor Norton on 04 Nov 2014, 14:04
I loved Titan AE. I never got why it wasn't successful.

Also, Sleepy Hollow was incredibly enjoyable.

And as for Watchmen... I think the only people who think its bad are purists. I'm a huge fan of the original graphic novel, and the movie tells pretty much the same story, and the changed ending makes sense. Its not like V for Vendetta (which the movie is still enjoyable as a popcorn flick), where the whole point of the story was changed, and V is presented more as a hero than an agent of chaos, who only accomplishes "good" by being against a corrupt regime.

As for the Transformers movies... I just can't enjoy them. I know they are just big action popcorn flicks, and they succeed on that level (though the weird racism inherent with the two sidekick characters in that one really irks me). But its like... I guess because I've had a lot of exposure to much better Transformers fiction (old Marvel comic, TF Prime Cartoon, Current IDW comic runs), that I expect more. Trouble with being a fan I guess. Also, I collect TF toys, and the movie designs of having zero clean lines make for muddled, ugly toy designs. Movie TFers just look like a pile of junk thrown together.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Nov 2014, 20:42
I've only seen the first two Bay Transformers movie, probably because I really liked the first one. It was ridiculous fun, which made the second one all the more disappointing. All other problems aside, it was boring.
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 04 Nov 2014, 22:36
I expected nothing less from the Transformers than what we got.

Think of it this way: Now and then a graphic artist, designer or avant guarde architect will design something, Like a robot or something, and it will look awesome. Or you'll see a concept car, and looks. But then someone else sit down and makes a real product out of it and suddenly it does have the same flare.

Because flare is generally impractical.  Transformers look like they, for the most part, because they are toys. Talented people have done wonderfully clever things with modern tech that make cartoon accurate toys. As unrealistic as they are, they are probly more realistic than the movie designs because form followed function.

The movie designs were designed by designers. Form followed "look alien."

The problem with "look alien" is that it makes no damned sense. Think Halo. The Covenant and UNSC were roughly equivalent in tech, and clearly understood each other's weapons. But their equipment looked nothing alike. That's just wrong. Form follows function. Build a main battle tank for Russia or for Corblax b, one look at either will tell you these are the same general thing. Tanks look like they do, because it protects them from tank fire. Boats look like they do because that shape is the best general configuration for a boat. The physics of the environment drives everything towards certain minimum solutions.

Giant robots should not have that many fiddly, moving parts. Warrior robots should have that mucg exposed surface area. Robots that can self reconfigure would probably do so in way that minimized surface area exposed to enemy fire. And they'd probably optimize their shape on the fly.

But that would be hard to make sense of for the audience.

Federation starships are supposedly shaped the way they are because it helps them manage their warp fields. But if that were true, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Tholian...any warp drive ship should look generally the same, just like most airplanes look generally the same. Starships that use the same tech look wildly different for the audience. Alien is expected to look aliens so it does.

And, in the end, the artists are right. Just like old school transformers wore pright primary colors, "look alien" helps audiences suspend disbelief, despite being logically unbelievable.
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Post by: sitnspin on 05 Nov 2014, 06:53
Form may follow function, but one could make a point for alien technology that fulfills an analogous function could still have a different fundamental basis and thus look considerably different. For instance, if an alien culture developed organic based tech instead of mechanical based tech, or projectile weaponry that uses repulsive fields instead of controlled chemical reactions. Plus, there is no shortage of examples from human history of needlessly ornate weaponry and armor.
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Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Nov 2014, 08:33

Federation starships are supposedly shaped the way they are because it helps them manage their warp fields. But if that were true, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Tholian...any warp drive ship should look generally the same, just like most airplanes look generally the same. Starships that use the same tech look wildly different for the audience. Alien is expected to look aliens so it does.

Well, if you look at TOS and film spinoffs, the ships were much closer in appearance. The Romulan Bird of Prey and the Klingon cruiser designs both had the same overarching design (with the warp nacelles kept at a distance from the hull). It's not 'til nearly a century later, in-universe, that you start to see designs like the Ferengi ships and the Defiant, but by then the technology would presumably have evolved to an extent that newer designs were possible (besides the fact that different civilizations would probably have found different ways to deal with warp field dynamics -- things often seem impossible 'til they're done).
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Nov 2014, 11:04
Well, if you look at TOS and film spinoffs, the ships were much closer in appearance. The Romulan Bird of Prey and the Klingon cruiser designs both had the same overarching design (with the warp nacelles kept at a distance from the hull). It's not 'til nearly a century later, in-universe, that you start to see designs like the Ferengi ships and the Defiant, but by then the technology would presumably have evolved to an extent that newer designs were possible (besides the fact that different civilizations would probably have found different ways to deal with warp field dynamics -- things often seem impossible 'til they're done).
That's what design creep looks like when there's no realistic constraint. It's like speculative architecture. Some of that stuff might be possible, but most of it is butt ugly. And a lot isn't even possible. But people are developing it because it is different

Anyway, the different solutions argument only works if physics are different from one place to another. Grossly speaking there are probably dozens of material configurations that will make a thing that is watertight and floats. But ocean going ships all have the same basic hull shape. Because physics.

If the Cardassian solution to warp physics is worse than the federation solution, they would have moved their designs toward the Fed shape. If it's better, Federation design would trend towards the cardassian shape. If it is equal, everyone else's ships would look fed like or cardassian like.

The possibility that warp physics has a dozen or more equally effective solutions, after roughly 800 years in this corner of the galaxy, and nigh on 2000in the Gamma quadrant, is thin. The problem boils down to design creep, pure and simple. I don't mind post hoc justification for fictional elements, but a post hoc justification doesn't change what my examples mean in the case of the Transformers.
Form may follow function, but one could make a point for alien technology that fulfills an analogous function could still have a different fundamental basis and thus look considerably different. For instance, if an alien culture developed organic based tech instead of mechanical based tech, or projectile weaponry that uses repulsive fields instead of controlled chemical reactions. Plus, there is no shortage of examples from human history of needlessly ornate weaponry and armor.
This still takes the form of a post hoc justification. The Movie Transformers we're not organic and seem to use kinetic and particle beam weapons.

Abrams are basically just kinetic weapons 2; electric boogaloo. Ultimately the forms of defense will follow the same logic I outlined before.

But let's say they have a force field technology that justifies the angles and pointy bits that would serve to help enemy weapons penetrate (just like the weird armor of our past, and why practical armor evolved away from ornate details. Also why people who understand the principles of things like plate and mail have such disdain for "boob armor." Boob shaped armor is a good way to help guide the enemy's sword through your sternum). Why can they punch through the force field?  Anti-aircraft force field does not fit, because that would make throwing the enemy pointless. As we see the robots throw each other often enough, it's likely that we aren't dealing with a force field technology that does anything useful in hand to hand. Which makes one wonder how it can stop bullets, and why it's vulnerable to discarding sabot rounds? It's clearly not the dune style slow weapons pass thing because the whole point of a sabot is to make the bullet much fast.

My point is not that other solutions don't exist. It's that the artist who sits down and justifies the images then remains consistent with that basis is a rare thing. And the reason it is rare is that audiences don't easily grasp the logic. They do grasp blue eyes are good, red glowing eyes are evil. They understand that alien is equal to strange looking, so by making the robots pointy, and giving them lots of strange planes and angles, we can gloss over the fact that the have the same trunk plus five limb bilateral symmetric body plan as we do. And, in general, it works.
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Post by: sitnspin on 05 Nov 2014, 11:13
I wasn't speaking of Transformers, I've never seen the movie nor do I have any interest in doing so. Not my kind of movie. I was just speaking in general terms. There are justifications for wildly different aesthetics achieving similar ends. Enough so that they don't even need to be stated in the work itself unless that information is pertinent to the story being told.
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Nov 2014, 12:31
I wasn't speaking of Transformers, I've never seen the movie nor do I have any interest in doing so. Not my kind of movie. I was just speaking in general terms. There are justifications for wildly different aesthetics achieving similar ends. Enough so that they don't even need to be stated in the work itself unless that information is pertinent to the story being told.

I was speaking of the Transformenrs when I brought the topic up however. Beyond that point, yes. There are rationally consistent reason for things that may not be obvious.  For example, The burrowing tentacle horrors known a mimics in The Edge of Tomorrow look like they do because they are force evolved starfish. That's from the book the movie is based on, and isn't covered in the film at all.

But most aesthetic choice are made because "it will look cool." Hell, I'm developing a thing, and I've already run into that problem. The geometry a vaguely plausible Alcubierre warp is a sphere. And ship has to fit inside the flat space time inside that sphere. That flat space time is also a sphere. The most efficient ship design will fill that space time as completely as the warp allows, so the ship should be a sphere.

I don't want spherical spaceships. Form is no longer leading function. I'm forcing function to conform to form, because no one knows if an Alcubierre warp is actually possible. So I'm still trying to be consistent.

That said, My point really is that it's just not reasonable to expect Hollywood to start from function to get form in a real world manner. The Function of a Hollywood design is to entertain. It's form follows that. I don't judge Bay's Transformers on how hard it is to make a decent toy out of them, because that wasn't what they were made for.

They were made to sell cars. Their Alt modes happen to look exactly like the cars they were made to sell.
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Post by: SubaruStephen on 05 Nov 2014, 20:09
If the Cardassian solution to warp physics is worse than the federation solution, they would have moved their designs toward the Fed shape. If it's better, Federation design would trend towards the cardassian shape. If it is equal, everyone else's ships would look fed like or cardassian like.

This also explains why every midsize sedan from every manufacturer in the 90's looks like a half used bar of soap.
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Post by: Kugai on 06 Nov 2014, 16:18
That still doesn't explain the Borg Cube


I mean, come on, a ship the size of that traveling at Warp and it's basically an oversized Rubik's Cube??!!!!
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Post by: LeeC on 06 Nov 2014, 16:49
Imagine if solving a rubrick's cube was the weakness of the borg cube. Like you solve it then the borg cube implodes.
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Post by: Emperor Norton on 06 Nov 2014, 18:44
But what if you solve it and get Borg Cenobites. That is like, even worse than where you started.
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Post by: Orkboy on 06 Nov 2014, 23:28
Okay, I'm going to google Borg Cenobite now.  Brb.

EDIT: Nuts.  Lots of comparison blog entries and a few really terrible-looking fanfics.  I was hoping for badass fanart or something. 
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Nov 2014, 10:30
I'm pretty sure the borg cube was an artistic way of conveying the forced conformity of the collective.

I'm still impressed by the production's success at making a platonic solid seem menacing in Q Who? And Best of Both Worlds (inclusive).

Honestly, in keeping with my thoughts on form following function- the cube would be even more impressive if everything else stuck to the rules. It disdained warp dynamic shaping, yet was faster than the Enterprise. That screams "we are more powerful than you." It underlines the futile in that old saw about resistance.
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Post by: Kugai on 07 Nov 2014, 12:19
Then there's The Janeway Factor


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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Nov 2014, 12:28
At the risk of the topic, my theory is, as far as the age old question goes: Who would win the fight? Kirk or Picard?

The answer is Kathryn Janeway.
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Post by: mikmaxs on 07 Nov 2014, 13:19
A couple things:
One, WILL SMITH NEVER SAYS 'Welcome to Erf.' Go back and watch it: He clearly says 'Earth.' I don't know why people quote it like that.

As for KotCS, I feel like it has five shortcomings:
One, the Nuclear Fridge
Two, Shia Labouf's character and performance. (After seeing Fury I don't think he's a bad actor, but Mutt was just terrible and ultimately didn't do much.)
Three, Aliens. Or Trans-dimensional beings? The ending is never explained, and it feels like it was rushed and not thought out properly.
Four, the villain (The Russians,) don't actually feel evil, and it's never really shown why there's a clear and present danger. It's implied that... Something bad... Might happen, but we never see them brutally attack innocents, or do anything explicitly evil. Even when they fun down guards at that warehouse, we don't see the bodies, and the Americans cause more harm to Indy at the beginning than the Russians do.
Finally, Harrison Ford. He's a great actor, but he's just too old to play a character like Indy. You don't want to live vicariously through a crotchety old man who looks kind of sleepy the entire movie.



That being said, I'm a huge fan of Skycaptain in the World of Tomorrow. Oh, and I really liked The Amazing Spider Man: 2.
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Post by: mikmaxs on 07 Nov 2014, 13:26
On Star Wars: They're fun to watch for the action sequences, where the special effect shine and the money poured into the CGI budget comes through. Most of the criticism is that in between the stellar action, most of the cinematography is bland and boring, and the characters are, overall, lacking in an emotional draw and often confused as to how they should be acting. (Obi-Wan, as a Jedi Master training his apprentice to be patient, wise, and thoughtful but he yells a lot, makes impulsive decisions, reckless attacks, and shows poor judgement through most of the movie.)
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Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Nov 2014, 13:43
I was with KotCS until "oh, aliens." It's actually pretty pulp, it's just that Indy'a big screen adventures never implied sci-fi before.
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Post by: mikmaxs on 07 Nov 2014, 14:20
I should clarify: I don't think that KotCS is a BAD movie, it's just a bad Indiana Jones movie. If it had starred some other main character, kind of MacGeyvery, and been done as a homage to pulp sci-fi and action flicks, it would have been a good movie. Trying to keep it in the franchise killed it.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Nov 2014, 09:07
Just because there weren't aliens before means there can't be aliens now?
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Post by: SubaruStephen on 09 Nov 2014, 17:46
I was with KotCS until "oh, aliens." It's actually pretty pulp, it's just that Indy'a big screen adventures never implied sci-fi before.

You're right, previously the only things that were implied were magic and divine intervention.
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Post by: J on 23 Nov 2014, 19:16
i saw jurassic park 3 a while ago,  and oh my bog it is amazing.

everything in it is either nonsensical or cliche'd, or just completely over the top, and all without even a hint at any pretense of scientific plausibility.

it is so much fun.
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Post by: Thrillho on 24 Nov 2014, 06:14
That film is dumb entertainment for the most part but has two things which make me want to shoot the TV screen, Elvis style.

1. The Spinosaurus being brought in just to fuck up a T-Rex. What a giant 'fuck you' to the audience. Reminds me of when comic or wrestling writers get hardons for particular characters or gimmicks they've created and have them beat someone important as if that'll make everyone go OOOOOOH THIS GUY IS A BIG DEAL rather than 'FUCK YOU I WANT MY FAVOURITE BACK'

2. First Jurassic Park film - T-Rex footsteps so loud that you can hear them coming from miles away.
JP3 - You hear the phone ringing in a Spinosaurus's stomach BEFORE YOU HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS??
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Post by: Welu on 24 Nov 2014, 08:19
Batman and Robin.
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Post by: Thrillho on 24 Nov 2014, 08:30
The people hating on Batman and Robin have, I feel, missed the point entirely.
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Post by: LeeC on 24 Nov 2014, 08:45
I was just bored watching it.  What did I miss?  I know its suppose to be campy as hell.
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Post by: Thrillho on 24 Nov 2014, 08:56
Probably should've clarified *most people.

If it bored you then sure. But many people hate on it because that film is goofy as shit, and knows it is, and has no plans to be anything different.
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Post by: J on 24 Nov 2014, 10:18

1. The Spinosaurus being brought in just to fuck up a T-Rex. What a giant 'fuck you' to the audience. Reminds me of when comic or wrestling writers get hardons for particular characters or gimmicks they've created and have them beat someone important as if that'll make everyone go OOOOOOH THIS GUY IS A BIG DEAL rather than 'FUCK YOU I WANT MY FAVOURITE BACK'
see, that's the thing though; it is such a ham-handed, inept, and cliche turn in the story, that i can't even help but laugh at it.

2. First Jurassic Park film - T-Rex footsteps so loud that you can hear them coming from miles away.
JP3 - You hear the phone ringing in a Spinosaurus's stomach BEFORE YOU HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS??
and that's the point where the movie becomes indistinguishable from self-parody. i mean, how can you possibly not laugh at this goofy shit?

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Post by: Fig on 24 Nov 2014, 10:27
I saw JP 3 on a date way back when I was still in high school.  In retrospect, that should have been a omen as to how that relationship was going to end.
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Post by: hedgie on 24 Nov 2014, 11:35
You got eaten by raptors?
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Post by: Fig on 24 Nov 2014, 12:51
Yes.  I got better, though.
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Post by: J on 25 Nov 2014, 10:48
1. The Spinosaurus being brought in just to fuck up a T-Rex. What a giant 'fuck you' to the audience. Reminds me of when comic or wrestling writers get hardons for particular characters or gimmicks they've created and have them beat someone important as if that'll make everyone go OOOOOOH THIS GUY IS A BIG DEAL rather than 'FUCK YOU I WANT MY FAVOURITE BACK'

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Post by: Edguy on 25 Nov 2014, 16:40
For the occation of the new Jurassic Park World trailer, I'll mention JP 2 & 3 here. Bad movies as they might be, they still have the #1 important thing of a Jurassic Park movie; dinosaurs being awesome.

Just to be that guy, the spinosaur was possibly up to twice the size of a t-rex, so a fight should have tilted in it's favor. Now if that was a cool thing to do from a writing perspective.. Probably not.
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Post by: explicit on 30 Nov 2014, 17:46
I liked Lady in the Water.

24% on Rotten Tomatoes, alrightttttt.
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Post by: SubaruStephen on 03 Dec 2014, 18:56
I liked Lady in the Water.

Oh my god, there's someone else out there that liked it too?!
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Post by: sitnspin on 03 Dec 2014, 19:27
I liked Lady in the Water.

I liked it too. I suspect ppl didn't like it cos it was marketed wrong. Trailers pushed it as a thriller when it's actually a modern faerie tale.
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Post by: explicit on 03 Dec 2014, 22:33
It's been awhile since I last watched it (I had only remembered it because I had a long conversation about Shamalan (sp?) movies). I liked the story, you're exactly right, it was a fairy tale. I think it bored people, and I can see that, but the story interested me a lot. And I think Shamalan movies are pretty horrible if you don't count 6th sense and unbreakable of course (though, 6th sense should have been more obvious in retrospect, I think audiences just weren't used to twist endings like that yet).
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Post by: J on 04 Dec 2014, 00:33
four of us!

of course, my favorite character is shamalan's straw-man film critic stand-in. shamalan tried to make the guy unlikeable, but i love him


honestly, i think the fact that shamalan cast himself as the savior/artist who was misunderstood in his own time rubbed a lot of critics the wrong way.
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Post by: J on 04 Dec 2014, 00:41
i actually remember guessing the twist of the 6th sense fairly early on in the movie, but the story/directing was so good at disguising it that i was quickly convinced i'd made a mistake until the end.


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Post by: explicit on 04 Dec 2014, 01:05
That's the problem, even while it worked that time, his movies are gimmicky. That can make for good movies, it's just much less likely than a movie that has, say, good writing/plot/likable characters/aren't stuck so far up his own ass.

Michael Bay would have made a better The Last Airbender film than him.
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Post by: Fig on 04 Dec 2014, 13:21
That's the problem, even while it worked that time, his movies are gimmicky. That can make for good movies, it's just much less likely than a movie that has, say, good writing/plot/likable characters/aren't stuck so far up his own ass.

Michael Bay would have made a better The Last Airbender film than him.

Let's not say anything we can't take back nor plant ideas in peoples' heads, now.
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Post by: explicit on 04 Dec 2014, 15:55
... I'm... I'm sorry
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Post by: J on 04 Dec 2014, 16:21
itt's rather unfortunate that shamalan became so closely associated with the twist ending. the thing he was really good at was atmosphere. watch the first few seconds of unbreakable: nothing but a sustained shot of bruce willis' face, but the bleakness and depression just fucking oozes off the screen and into your fucking soul. the 6th sense makes you feel the creeping terror and paranoia that only an imaginative 10 year old can feel. signs is a stupid fucking movie with a stupid fucking plot, but it's so well shot and edited and scored that you don't even notice how stupid it is until it's over.

i like to think that if the man ever gets over himself and teams up with a really good screen-writer, they could do something really amazing.
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Post by: Kugai on 07 Dec 2014, 22:22
... I'm... I'm sorry

*Puts bar of Soap away and turns off taps*
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Dec 2014, 08:35
The thing about Shamalan is he did that association with twist endings himself. It worked in the Sixth Sense because of the long build up, careful directing and scene composition that led no one to suspect the twist until the end. He was just very good at setting it all up. But in the end, it was the story and acting that drew people in. The twist was a payoff. But somewhere, somehow he decided it was THE pay off and made it his signature. And then sadly started making worse and worse films, mostly based on a 'twist' that people were expecting to happen, and became to obvious even to casual view. The 'twist' concept really only works if people aren't expecting it...
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Post by: explicit on 08 Dec 2014, 14:49
Basically he can never do it ever again and has to start making actual movies. "After Earth" was not a good step (I didn't watch it, but apparently it sucked).
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Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Dec 2014, 14:51
I still hold that Unbreakable was a much better movie than The Sixth Sense, although admittedly I haven't seen either in like...a decade. Dunno if it would hold up.
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Post by: explicit on 08 Dec 2014, 15:33
But that's mostly because Unbreakable was a far better story and The Sixth Sense was all about the payoff. Repeated views would make the former a better watch.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Dec 2014, 15:35
I've only seen both once. To be fair, I probably knew the twist in The Sixth Sense before I saw it. Kind of unavoidable, I didn't see it in the theater. That doesn't excuse it, though. Knowing the twists of Fight Club and The Usual Suspects didn't take anything away, or even take from the actual twist when it was revealed.
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Post by: Welu on 08 Dec 2014, 15:38
Something fun to do is watch Fight Club and constantly remind yourself of Marla's perspective.
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Post by: GarandMarine on 08 Dec 2014, 15:47
Unbreakable's a classic, and an origin point for modern, more self aware super hero media.
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Post by: pwhodges on 12 Feb 2015, 16:34
Titan A.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_A.E.) I suppose a film that flopped so completely that it destroyed the studio that made it, and ended the career of Don Bluth, has to be regarded as bad. But I took my forum handle from the name of the lead female character Akima Kunimoto, so obviously I think it has something going for it.

I've just watched Titan A.E., and I wouldn't call it bad.  It's mostly good looking, and there's some pretty gorgeous animation.  The plot is straightforward, and doesn't have any unexpected twists - you could call it vanilla almost to the point of being dull, perhaps; and the instant formation of the planet Bob at the end, and the immediate arrival of the drifters to colonise it, can only be described as somewhat absurd.  But in spite of that, in the context of the whole film the end ties things up nicely enough.  So a pleasant 90 minutes spent, with no intellectual pretensions.

The one thing that did irritate me, though, was the animation of the humans.  It combined the awkwardness of dated computer graphic figures with an irritating exaggeration of their movement, making everything they did come over as a mannerism.
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Post by: explicit on 14 Feb 2015, 20:23
I just remembered this movie, and I don't remember if people thought it was bad or not, but I'm putting it here anyway.

The Invention of Lying
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Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2015, 20:24
I saw it, and I don't remember liking it, despite really wanting to.
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Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2015, 09:15
Ricky Gervais has to my knowledge not made a single good film.

Speaking of actors, this isn't really the right thread for it, but goddammit Emma Stone will you please be in a film where you play someone other than the exact same snarky girl?
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Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Feb 2015, 09:56
Why?
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Post by: explicit on 15 Feb 2015, 10:04
She threatened to axe people in This is the End
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Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Feb 2015, 10:30
Wasn't that Emma Watson?
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Post by: explicit on 15 Feb 2015, 10:35
Wasn't that Emma Watson?

Oh wait, I saw the word "Emma" and my mind just went blank, my bad.
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Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2015, 11:00
Why?

To show she actually has acting talent. Even Bill Murray eventually started acting.
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on 16 Feb 2015, 08:27
Ricky Gervais has to my knowledge not made a single good film.

Depends on your view on Stardust. I wouldn't say it was a bad film.
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Feb 2015, 08:37
Not seen it. The rest of his filmography is like a fart at a gravedigger's funeral. Invention Of Lying? Ghost Town? Night at the Museum, repeatedly?

I've heard Cemetery Junction is good but I don't think he acts in that, does he? Also he wrote it.
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Post by: The Seldom Killer on 16 Feb 2015, 08:40
He does appear in it. I think he suffers from the Woody Allen effect. Good writer, nauseating actor.
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Post by: Thrillho on 16 Feb 2015, 08:53
See, I disagree, because I think both The Office and Extras are fantastic and he's the star of each.