Judge Dredd
@LookingIn: I would put that in a spoiler considering some have not seen the movie.
I loved that property when I read it, because it took a genre that I love, what you could term the 'action morality film' and made it a bit more sophisticated. It had political overtones. It showed how if we don't curb the way we run our judicial system, the police may end up running our lives. It dealt with archaic governments; it dealt with cloning and all kinds of things that could happen in the future. It was also bigger than any film I've done in its physical stature and the way it was designed. All the people were dwarfed by the system and the architecture; it shows how insignificant human beings could be in the future. There's a lot of action in the movie and some great acting, too. It just wasn't balls to the wall. But I do look back on Judge Dredd as a real missed opportunity. It seemed that lots of fans had a problem with Dredd removing his helmet, because he never does in the comic books. But for me it is more about wasting such great potential there was in that idea; just think of all the opportunities there were to do interesting stuff with the Cursed Earth scenes. It didn't live up to what it could have been. It probably should have been much more comic, really humorous, and fun. What I learned out of that experience was that we shouldn't have tried to make it Hamlet; it's more Hamlet and Eggs..
@LookingIn: I would put that in a spoiler considering some have not seen the movie.
It may have come out in 1995 but that doesnt mean everyone has seen it. Would you spoil the end of Macbeth for someone who never read it?
It may have come out in 1995 but that doesnt mean everyone has seen it. Would you spoil the end of Macbeth for someone who never read it?
thats untrue, not everyone dies in tragedy writings by Shakespeare....just most of them.
thats untrue, not everyone dies in tragedy writings by Shakespeare....just most of them.
I get yelled at for spoiling that the Titantic sinks....
Haha shit, the kid was reading Hamlet, just realized I said Macbeth.
Also I've never seen Independence Day, but I thought it was universally loved.
The original Stargate
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.
Spoilers, dude! :roll:
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.
Anger Managment. For an Adam Sandler movie, it was great!For a 21 Century Adam Sandler movie, you mean.
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.
I'm still waiting for Verhovens flogging in Public Square.
I have a Facebook group called 'Street Fighter is the greatest fucking movie ever made.'Which one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(disambiguation))? Assuming you mean the 1994 effort, at least they cast a Chinese actor (Wen Mingna) to play Chun Li. And Raul Julia was awesome... Of Course!!!
The Road to El Dorado. I see its problems, I just also see Kenneth Branagh and Kevin Kline getting to improvise scenes together and BE SO AWESOME. Oh my gosh.
The first Starship Troopers isn't even slightly a bad film, it's just endlessly misunderstood.
I'm still waiting for Verhovens flogging in Public Square.
How can that possibly work, Method?Yeah, I guess it doesn't. To be fair, when I go to see those horror movies, I fully expect them to fail as horror and go into them expecting a comedy. So I guess I override their intention with mine? I dunno. But something that's "so bad it's good" is still good.
You also have to understand the time frame when Flash Gordon came out. It was an attempt to compete with stuff like Superman and Star Wars, and it kinda failed at both.
And the willing suspension of disbelief went out the window when they decided that he was the quarterback of the New York Jets...
I have a secret enjoyment for movies featuring Jean Claude van Dam. He's like Ahnuld, but more of a Fighter class individual to Ahnulds incredible hulkWould you happen to have seen JCVD? I haven't yet but I've heard good things about it. It's basically an affectionate deconstruction of Jean-Claude Van Damme's image, with him playing as himself.
(There's already a Terrible Movies thread, after all)Wait, what? I thought this was that thread.
Wait, when has Heathers ever been considered not a classic?
Yeah, but I didn't know it was generally considered bad. I've always heard it talked about as a classic.
I wasn't even aware it was worth debatingThat's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:
That's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:
I wasn't even aware it was worth debatingThat's where you made your mistake. Everything is worth debating :roll:
Phantom Menace is arguably the weakest of the threeIncorrect. (Yes, I'm aware you said "arguably". Even so.)
Phantom Menace is arguably the weakest of the threeIncorrect. (Yes, I'm aware you said "arguably". Even so.)
Revenge is pretty damn good.
But there were only three Star Wars films.
I always considered Sucker Punch to just be a series of largely pretty awesome music videos with the plot being pretty much entirely irrelevant. Who cares about plot when you have cyberpunk robot wars in WWI with dragons?
I wish that I could have ignored those plot elements in Sucker Punch. I went with my then-room mate to see it in theaters, and by the time it got to the first dream/dance/action sequence I was so much in a panic attack that I was ready to run out of the theater. Had I been there alone, or if the two of us hadn't been the only ones in the theater for that showing I would have. Aside from the those parts, which were awesomely over the top and great, that whole movie seemed designed to repeatedly kick me in all my anxiety/panic trigger points. I don't think I could even go back and just watch those action scenes again, and certainly not the movie. Just thinking about it makes me all panicky.
Also Watchmen is excellent, and the one major thing he changed makes so much more sense.
I just watched a movie called Split Second. Rutger Hauer as a Loose Cannon Cop versus Scary Evil Thing in a flooded England. It's not bad. Not particularly good either, but still enjoyable. And it has the mandatory straight-laced partner start yelling about how they need bigger fucking guns, which was oddly hilarious.
Federation starships are supposedly shaped the way they are because it helps them manage their warp fields. But if that were true, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Tholian...any warp drive ship should look generally the same, just like most airplanes look generally the same. Starships that use the same tech look wildly different for the audience. Alien is expected to look aliens so it does.
Well, if you look at TOS and film spinoffs, the ships were much closer in appearance. The Romulan Bird of Prey and the Klingon cruiser designs both had the same overarching design (with the warp nacelles kept at a distance from the hull). It's not 'til nearly a century later, in-universe, that you start to see designs like the Ferengi ships and the Defiant, but by then the technology would presumably have evolved to an extent that newer designs were possible (besides the fact that different civilizations would probably have found different ways to deal with warp field dynamics -- things often seem impossible 'til they're done).That's what design creep looks like when there's no realistic constraint. It's like speculative architecture. Some of that stuff might be possible, but most of it is butt ugly. And a lot isn't even possible. But people are developing it because it is different
Form may follow function, but one could make a point for alien technology that fulfills an analogous function could still have a different fundamental basis and thus look considerably different. For instance, if an alien culture developed organic based tech instead of mechanical based tech, or projectile weaponry that uses repulsive fields instead of controlled chemical reactions. Plus, there is no shortage of examples from human history of needlessly ornate weaponry and armor.This still takes the form of a post hoc justification. The Movie Transformers we're not organic and seem to use kinetic and particle beam weapons.
I wasn't speaking of Transformers, I've never seen the movie nor do I have any interest in doing so. Not my kind of movie. I was just speaking in general terms. There are justifications for wildly different aesthetics achieving similar ends. Enough so that they don't even need to be stated in the work itself unless that information is pertinent to the story being told.
If the Cardassian solution to warp physics is worse than the federation solution, they would have moved their designs toward the Fed shape. If it's better, Federation design would trend towards the cardassian shape. If it is equal, everyone else's ships would look fed like or cardassian like.
I was with KotCS until "oh, aliens." It's actually pretty pulp, it's just that Indy'a big screen adventures never implied sci-fi before.
1. The Spinosaurus being brought in just to fuck up a T-Rex. What a giant 'fuck you' to the audience. Reminds me of when comic or wrestling writers get hardons for particular characters or gimmicks they've created and have them beat someone important as if that'll make everyone go OOOOOOH THIS GUY IS A BIG DEAL rather than 'FUCK YOU I WANT MY FAVOURITE BACK'see, that's the thing though; it is such a ham-handed, inept, and cliche turn in the story, that i can't even help but laugh at it.
2. First Jurassic Park film - T-Rex footsteps so loud that you can hear them coming from miles away.and that's the point where the movie becomes indistinguishable from self-parody. i mean, how can you possibly not laugh at this goofy shit?
JP3 - You hear the phone ringing in a Spinosaurus's stomach BEFORE YOU HEAR HIS FOOTSTEPS??
1. The Spinosaurus being brought in just to fuck up a T-Rex. What a giant 'fuck you' to the audience. Reminds me of when comic or wrestling writers get hardons for particular characters or gimmicks they've created and have them beat someone important as if that'll make everyone go OOOOOOH THIS GUY IS A BIG DEAL rather than 'FUCK YOU I WANT MY FAVOURITE BACK'
I liked Lady in the Water.
I liked Lady in the Water.
That's the problem, even while it worked that time, his movies are gimmicky. That can make for good movies, it's just much less likely than a movie that has, say, good writing/plot/likable characters/aren't stuck so far up his own ass.
Michael Bay would have made a better The Last Airbender film than him.
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Titan A.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_A.E.) I suppose a film that flopped so completely that it destroyed the studio that made it, and ended the career of Don Bluth, has to be regarded as bad. But I took my forum handle from the name of the lead female character Akima Kunimoto, so obviously I think it has something going for it.
Wasn't that Emma Watson?
Why?
Ricky Gervais has to my knowledge not made a single good film.