Jeph Jacques's comics discussion forums

Fun Stuff => CHATTER => Topic started by: jwhouk on 05 Feb 2014, 20:07

Title: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Feb 2014, 20:07
So - who's looking forward to the Winter Olympics coming up starting this weekend?

(Oh, and so not to send pwhodges or any mods into a tizzy: "Сочи" is the Cyrillic translation of "Sochi", the region where the games are being played.)

There's already a couple of storylines: The threats of terrorism, the hit-and-miss nature of the accommodations of the athletes and media, and Shaun White pulling out of one of the events. 

Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 Feb 2014, 20:10
And don't forget about the stray dogs


I am for one am ambivalent about the Winter Olympics, they seem like the younger brother of the much better Summer Olympics
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Feb 2014, 20:51
I'm a big fan of the modern pentathlon because it's one of the few remaining events that go back to what the games are really about. Displaying military prowess.

I am however not watching or caring this year. Much like I did the last summer olympics (shit I didn't even notice those had happened!)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Feb 2014, 20:58
So I take it you're not a fan of curling, then?

Heaving big rocks down the ice while three others sweep in front of it to try and play a big game of shuffleboard... Yeah.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Feb 2014, 21:07
Curling's better then fucking PING PONG of all things.

The IOC lost all credibility with me when they tried to drop wrestling.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 05 Feb 2014, 21:40
I can't help but think there's something sexist about women's curling.  Furthermore, why do we bother separating men's and women's curling?

Hey, remember that "What seemed weird about your country?" thread where it was discussed that Brazilian sewer systems sometimes cannot handle toilet paper?  Sochi seems to have that same problem, and I am really not looking forward to Rio now.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Feb 2014, 01:52
Pffft Winter Olympics are just a poor man's Summer Olympics  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 06 Feb 2014, 02:29
That's what every country says that is not going to score 765 medals in speed skating.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Barmymoo on 06 Feb 2014, 02:37
I prefer the sports in the Winter Olympics but have no interest in watching them. I didn't watch the Summer ones either.

I think the reason they separate men's and women's curling is so that they can double the number of events and therefore profit.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Feb 2014, 02:40
Given that this is in the chatter forum I'm guessing we're not using this thread for the whole gay issue then.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 06 Feb 2014, 02:43
Yeah. Games should have been cancelled and no one should have gone.

Back to the sports.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Feb 2014, 03:27
And now, applying the same logic to Indiana...

(But yes, there's a thread for that in Discuss!)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 06 Feb 2014, 03:45
Norway always goes apeshit about the Winter Olympics because they actually have a chance at winning loads of stuff, as a contrast to the Summer Olympics. Somehow they seem to think everyone cares about the Winter Olympics as much as them so everyone are really smug and go 'yeah world, we showed you how awesome we are!' any chance they get and fail to see that NO ONE CARES.

That said, four years ago I got away with overweight luggage at the JFK airport because the guy was so impressed with Norway's skiing achievements that he turned a blind eye to the glaring red number on the scale. Thanks, Olympics!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: LeeC on 06 Feb 2014, 06:21
Rooting for the Jamaican Bobsled team!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 06 Feb 2014, 06:35
I will be going to a bar for that. Because fuck yeah Cool Runnings round 2 mon!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Feb 2014, 12:47
I'm actually not sure why they don't have mixed curling in the Olympics. Probably because the IOC is rather tenuous as to whether to consider it a sport (on the one hand) and as to it being dominated by two countries (GBR and Canada, on the other hand).

Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 06 Feb 2014, 13:27
Norway always goes apeshit about the Winter Olympics because they actually have a chance at winning loads of stuff
Australia is the same about swimming.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Feb 2014, 14:20
The reason for the Winter Olympics is pretty much logistics. There's no way you could host Alpine/Nordic and sledding "disciplines" in the same venues as a summer Olympics - and definitely not in the same time frame. Ice "disciplines" would be doable - but difficult; humidity would be hard to control, and that would have a huge effect on performance and play.

For those of you in places where the Winter Olympics aren't as meaningful: there's seven basic "disciplines" (IOW: Sports) that are part of competition in the games. They are:
The Sochi Olympics will hold medal events in 98 different competitions within these sports.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 Feb 2014, 19:03
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/596cdedeaa0b206e805e554468c3ca72/tumblr_n0ldm0N1Kp1qewacoo9_r1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d4b52a731dc75edb5053c7cdf1db75d9/tumblr_n0ldm0N1Kp1qewacoo2_1280.png)


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d3f43a94feca70709403cf323da2926d/tumblr_n0ldm0N1Kp1qewacoo8_r1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Lines on 06 Feb 2014, 19:48
I will be watching the olympics purely for the outrageous curling pants. And I'll wear a rainbow something while doing so. And possibly hum "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" during the whole thing.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Feb 2014, 19:52
I will admit watching women's curling for the women. I mean, the Norwegian team at Salt Lake were babes.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 06 Feb 2014, 20:32
I dunno why any one's shocked about the accommodations. It's RUSSIA. I am disappointed the story about each hotel room for foreign guests containing a semi-nude photo of Comrade Putin astride one of his glorious warhorses as he leads the people against the Imperialists, is in fact false.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 07 Feb 2014, 00:32
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/596cdedeaa0b206e805e554468c3ca72/tumblr_n0ldm0N1Kp1qewacoo9_r1_500.png)
In Soviet Russia, ceiling Cat 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable) is watching you masturbate.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Loki on 07 Feb 2014, 00:54
...I never thought I'd hear Akima make that kind of joke.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: hakko504 on 07 Feb 2014, 01:32
(Oh, and so not to send pwhodges or any mods into a tizzy: "Сочи" is the Cyrillic translation of "Sochi", the region where the games are being played.)
It's the other way around, "Sochi" is the Latin translation of the Russian name "Сочи".
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Feb 2014, 03:52
"We don't have problems, we have adventures" is pretty much my approach to life.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: questionablydiscontent on 07 Feb 2014, 12:09
(Oh, and so not to send pwhodges or any mods into a tizzy: "Сочи" is the Cyrillic translation of "Sochi", the region where the games are being played.)
It's the other way around, "Sochi" is the Latin translation of the Russian name "Сочи".
See, we Americans think everything-- objects, people, cities-- have a "real" word in English, of which other countries use translation. We're still wondering why the Chinese didn't change their Mandonese translation when the capital's name got changed from Peking to Beijing. (Okay, I admit I'm being hyperbolic. But I'm sure there's someone out there looking at an old map and saying, "wonder when they changed the name?")
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: cesium133 on 07 Feb 2014, 12:16
Well, if we want to be technical about it, it's a transliteration rather than a translation, since "Sochi" doesn't actually mean anything in English, other than as the name of a town.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 07 Feb 2014, 13:12
...I never thought I'd hear Akima make that kind of joke.
She stoops to conquer. :angel:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Lines on 07 Feb 2014, 14:45
See, we Americans think everything-- objects, people, cities-- have a "real" word in English, of which other countries use translation.

But there are those of us that don't and are in fact annoyed when we look at maps in native languages and go, "Wtf. Why don't we just call "Munich" München (and so on), because that's what it actually is."  :wink: English isn't the only language, 'Murrica... I don't even care if it's rewritten in Latin letters if need be, but dang it, at least get it to phonetically sound the same as the native pronunciation.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Loki on 07 Feb 2014, 14:55
I am always confused when the "translation" is vastly different from the real thing. Like, how does one end up there in the first place? I can understand translating parts of words, even (for example if you were to translate Sankt Something to Saint Something), but some permutations are just not understandable.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Feb 2014, 14:58
'Murrica...

It's not a specifically American thing, either.  Consider the names that came from the British in India (Bombay/Mumbai, Calcutta/Kolkata), or even as nearby as Italy (Leghorn/Livorno, Florence/Firenze).
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Lines on 07 Feb 2014, 15:10
It's definitely an English speaking thing. I don't know if other languages do it very much. I think I remember learning different names for places when I took Spanish, but it didn't seem as bad as English "translations".
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Feb 2014, 15:34
It's definitely an English speaking thing. I don't know if other languages do it very much.

Danzig/Gdańsk

I imagine it happens in all languages; it's just that the more colonial powers give rise to more examples.

It happens within Britain, too, e.g. the mountain in North Wales called "Yr Eifl" is called in English "The Rivals" (which is not a translation).
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 07 Feb 2014, 18:20
I'm just sitting here shocked to learn Australia has a winter olympic team.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: RedWolf4 on 07 Feb 2014, 18:34
What, you never heard of the Blue Mountains?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Masterpiece on 08 Feb 2014, 03:06
Von den blauen Bergen kommen wir...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: hakko504 on 08 Feb 2014, 10:42
I'm just sitting here shocked to learn Australia has a winter olympic team.
Austrailas first gold medal in the winter olympics:
youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAADWfJO2qM)
See, we Americans think everything-- objects, people, cities-- have a "real" word in English, of which other countries use translation.

But there are those of us that don't and are in fact annoyed when we look at maps in native languages and go, "Wtf. Why don't we just call "Munich" München (and so on), because that's what it actually is."  :wink: English isn't the only language, 'Murrica... I don't even care if it's rewritten in Latin letters if need be, but dang it, at least get it to phonetically sound the same as the native pronunciation.
Speaking of München, did you know it's called Monaco in Italian? Confusion level = 100%
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 Feb 2014, 11:05
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/06f54e871160cc85d43d863d93f23ebd/tumblr_n0i0n36ny71roeexbo1_250.gif) (http://25.media.tumblr.com/5cd56c68ff9c698803df0518f2d9d539/tumblr_n0i0n36ny71roeexbo2_250.gif)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Feb 2014, 13:25
Hakko, that Video is Embedding Blocked
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: hakko504 on 09 Feb 2014, 03:06
Hakko, that Video is Embedding Blocked
fixed.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Feb 2014, 05:44
...He has a point.

(Hockey, skating, curling, sleds, skiing, snowboarding... yep.)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ankhtahr on 09 Feb 2014, 05:49
Biathlon is only half sliding...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 09 Feb 2014, 07:38
Biathlon is the most insane thing ever. Much respect.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19f3fd0vir1xbjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)

So, anyway. Dutch gold for skater. How predictable.

Oh, and there's this:

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19f2obuuw2874png/ku-xlarge.png)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 09 Feb 2014, 08:14
Stay classy, Norway.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 09 Feb 2014, 08:30
Burning peepees are not to be triffled with.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Feb 2014, 10:19
That takes me back.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 09 Feb 2014, 16:05
I'm really stoked about Olympic hockey. The ice rinks are HUGE compared to NHL rinks, making the players have to play harder if they're gonna be successful in shot block attempts and gaining possession of the puck. More distance to cover to get there. Shit's so fucking epic.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 10 Feb 2014, 06:52
Biathlon is the most insane thing ever. Much respect.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19f3fd0vir1xbjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)

I love endurance sports so damn much, for reasons exactly like this.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 10 Feb 2014, 07:00
That takes me back.
... to last week?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Feb 2014, 07:21
That takes me back.
... to last week?

Hey, now.

...It was the week before.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 10 Feb 2014, 07:22
I'm really stoked about Olympic hockey. The ice rinks are HUGE compared to NHL rinks, making the players have to play harder if they're gonna be successful in shot block attempts and gaining possession of the puck. More distance to cover to get there. Shit's so fucking epic.

I cannot enthuse enough about the U.S. Women's hockey team. Two threads is not enough for me to enthuse about it. Holy fuck the Swiss got stomped hard.

There's only one word for this...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Lt_brookman/tumblr_mckikz8zRT1rjskemo1_500_zpsae191799.gif)

Delicious.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 10 Feb 2014, 09:19
Okay, even the Japanese held their own against Sweden, so at this point one of the two top-tier women's teams issuing a severe beatdown isn't that big a deal.

I'm dreading the Canada/USA showdowns. I think for women's hockey I'm going to maintain my Canadian allegiance, and the men's game I'm just cheering for individual players. Curling must remain Canadian, and everything else can go to USA. Except bobsled. Jamaica needs that shit, mon.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 10 Feb 2014, 12:35
I beg to differ on the curling.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 10 Feb 2014, 13:12
The problem with curling is that, arguably, 5 of the 10 best rinks in the world are Canadian, on both the men's and the women's sides.  That doesn't mean Canada deserves a medal, but I think it does mean that there are likely more competetive competitions IN Canada than at the Olympics.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 10 Feb 2014, 13:15
I got to watch a couple ends of the Germany/Canada mens game today during my lunch break. Had to leave at the end of the 8th, but it wasn't looking good for Germany.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Feb 2014, 13:57
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19f5u6po2nj38gif/ku-xlarge.gif)

Ashley Wagner is not pleased.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Feb 2014, 01:47
Does her mouth seem strange to you too?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Barmymoo on 11 Feb 2014, 02:33
It's certainly an unusual shade of red.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 11 Feb 2014, 04:43
that's the face of someone who is bound and determined to destroy the opposition in her next performance, and I think she can absolutely pull it off. I happened to catch the whole thing while I was out with friends, and she did a fantastic job in my view. I hope that .gif isn't the last we see of her.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 11 Feb 2014, 04:51
also, I don't mean to pick on anyone, but I don't particularly like adding physical appearance to a discussion about an international athletic competition. this ain't the Miss World pageant, this is the Olympics. she can skate better than probably anyone on this forum, and she doesn't land those crazy-ass maneuvers with her mouth or her cosmetics. hell, you're more likely to hear about Joe Pavelski's NHL hat trick than his funny-looking mug.

also, just gonna leave this here: http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2014/02/10/medals-arent-enough-female-olympians-still-have-to-sell-sexiness/
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 11 Feb 2014, 07:09
And no one's commenting on her choice of words in response to the score?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Feb 2014, 07:13
No idea. Couldn't look past her cottonball filled mouth.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 11 Feb 2014, 09:16
Looks like "bullshit" to me - right at the end when she's looking away and then turns back.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Feb 2014, 09:19
Yeah, her saying "bullshit" is the whole point of the gif.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 11 Feb 2014, 09:49

She might not be wrong. I hear the Russian judge is a bear.


(click to show/hide)


Global Moderator Comment Image tag was broken - Method
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 11 Feb 2014, 10:43
It wouldn't be the first case of corruption in Olympic figureskating judging.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 11 Feb 2014, 12:57
And no one's commenting on her choice of words in response to the score?

as a certified Potty Mouth I can't say I would have chosen any other way to convey my disapproval.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 12 Feb 2014, 02:13
I do wonder if a .gif of, say, a male football player saying "bullshit" would have gained the same coverage.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 04:06
If he had such hilarious facial expressions I would certainly hope say.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Feb 2014, 04:10
Wait, what coverage? That gif is getting coverage? The girl gets a shit score and says 'bullshit' and this requires coverage?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 12 Feb 2014, 04:33
I don't know if it requires it, but it is certainly getting it. Google "ashley wagner reaction".
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Feb 2014, 04:36
How depressing.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 05:02
There's usually a female athlete or two with a fabulously negative reaction that becomes a meme for each Olympic. Like that gymnast ol'whatsherface from the last summer games. Is it because they're female? Or something else?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 12 Feb 2014, 05:57
McKayla is not impressed by your BS. ;)

US Women are up 1-0 in hockey over the Canucklettes!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 06:08
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 12 Feb 2014, 06:49
You rang?

(This is not the important game.  That one's still coming.)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 12 Feb 2014, 07:47
(http://media4.onsugar.com/files/2012/10/41/3/192/1922283/6cdf0f83532422a9_149846241.xxxlarge/i/McKayla-Maroney.jpg)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 12 Feb 2014, 08:59
Interesting story - Canadian Gilmore Junio withdrew from the 1000m speed skate event.  This allowed Canadian Denny Morrison, who had failed to qualify, to compete.  Morrison won silver.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 09:51
Apparently there's strife in Lebanon as one of their female skiers has been discovered as to have been topless at one point in time with a camera around.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 12 Feb 2014, 11:32
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_SMpF6n0xRM/UvuOVNrRMdI/AAAAAAACh6U/PTiJOOv_xkw/w314-h173-no/JcwUkLd.gif)

The Olympics suddenly got way more interesting.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Lines on 12 Feb 2014, 11:35
That would make for the best Olympics ever.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 18:02
(http://www.womenshealthmag.com/files/wh6_uploads/images/ashley-wagner.jpg)

She really does have a fantastic "fuck this shit" face.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 12 Feb 2014, 19:27
Apparently there's strife in Lebanon as one of their female skiers has been discovered as to have been topless at one point in time with a camera around.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/topless-photos-of-olympic-skier-jackie-chamoun-cause-a-stir-in-her-native-lebanon-053332853.html;_ylt=AwrBJR5xOvxS53YAAsHQtDMD

Sports minister must be the most fun job in the world.

Edited but probably NSFW
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: 94ssd on 12 Feb 2014, 20:23
Apparently there's strife in Lebanon as one of their female skiers has been discovered as to have been topless at one point in time with a camera around.

One of the articles I read on that story said it will be difficult for her because Lebanon is such a "conservative country." That's just not so. It's one of the most liberal countries in the Middle East. It's just the Iranian-funded terrorists that give people the impression that the whole country is made up of religious extremists.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 12 Feb 2014, 22:43
Well.

It's one of the most liberal countries in the Middle East. Which means it still makes Texas look like California. If she gets thrown out or threatened maybe Jordan can take her in. That's about as "Western" Liberal as you get in that part of the world as I recall. (purely anecdotal, I have a very good friend who lives in Jordan, if you ever want to see the verbal equivalent of a 10 round boxing match with no winner, give me booze, her caffeine and mention Israel.)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: 94ssd on 13 Feb 2014, 14:01
Heard a great quote in news coverage of the story in response to some minister's comment that the photos are bad for Lebanon's image. Basically saying "why does this picture matter, don't you think that sectarian violence being a daily fact of life is worse for our image?"
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Feb 2014, 18:36
You could say the same for gang warfare and gun violence in the US, but still.

...and that's where I'm going to stop that.


USA put a beat-down on Slovakia in men's hockey yesterday. Given that team USA is pretty much an NHL All-Star squad, it's not too surprising.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 13 Feb 2014, 19:02
Heh. That's kinda why I like watching US Olympic Men's hockey. It IS an NHL dream team roster for the most part. Ditto the Canadians. So sure it's a bit like throwing the other nation's teams to the lions, but you know, blood sport's entertaining.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 13 Feb 2014, 23:44
I won't speak of the women's tournament. That's essentially a two-team show.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 14 Feb 2014, 22:51
I won't speak of the women's tournament. That's essentially a two-team show.
Ain't that the unfortunate truth. Finns occasionally manage to keep a single match vs. US or Canada close a few minutes into the third period, even an occasional upset in an unimportant game, but that doesn't affect the validity of the conclusion.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Feb 2014, 08:10
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 15 Feb 2014, 10:40
Heh. That's kinda why I like watching US Olympic Men's hockey. It IS an NHL dream team roster for the most part. Ditto the Canadians. So sure it's a bit like throwing the other nation's teams to the lions, but you know, blood sport's entertaining.

That's a bit of a stretch of facts. You did get a US vs. Canada finald in 2002 (SLC) and 2010 (Vancouver), but in Torino 2006 the final was Swedes vs Finns, and the first time the NHL allowed their players to go to the OG in 1998 (Nagano) the North American teams also game out empty (1st CZE, 2nd RUS, 3rd FIN, 4th CAN).

Granted olympic hockey is more interesting with NHLers in there. It is nice that all the best players can participate

My pet peeve about NHL is their insistence on bringing in their own refs. This sends the signal that Team US and Team Canada want the benefit of a "hometown ref" for their matches :-). In a sport were there are several high level leagues (soccer/football comes to mind) it is unheard of in international tournaments that the refs would come from the same country as one of the teams.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2014, 12:52
Well, the NHL's refs do have the most experience.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 15 Feb 2014, 13:52
Heh. That's kinda why I like watching US Olympic Men's hockey. It IS an NHL dream team roster for the most part. Ditto the Canadians. So sure it's a bit like throwing the other nation's teams to the lions, but you know, blood sport's entertaining.

I was watching a documentary on the Dream Team and the year they finally let professionals play basketball in the Olympics the team was told to fucking crush every other team, and that's exactly what they did.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 15 Feb 2014, 13:53
This sends the signal that Team US and Team Canada want the benefit of a "hometown ref" for their matches :-).
Well... Why wouldn't they? It does presumably make it easier to win. :-D
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 15 Feb 2014, 14:28
Well, the NHL's refs do have the most experience.

May be? I haven't seen any stats. Have you? Also some compromises need to be made with the rules for the international tourneys (don't know about the Olympics) partially voiding some of the experiences

I just have an old axe to grind here. When my hometown co-hosted the WCs some time in the 90s, there were complaints about the Europeans refs by the North American teams. We were quite puzzled by some of the complaints, as the local ref was voted by the players of our league to be the best year after year (by a fair margin I may add). It turned out that the complaint was not so much about his calls, but the fact that he couldn't communicate in English. So are all the players entitled to talk with the ref in their own language? With all the major teams at OG having captains with NHL experience this is not a problem really, but it's the principle.

I do admit that I don't recall many disastrous calls by the NHL refs - they are good. The potential for national bias is the gripe. Back in the day a certain American collegiate ref cost us two titles (and elephants and grumpy old hockey fans can remember), but the NHL refs are better.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Loki on 15 Feb 2014, 14:49
Well, the NHL's refs do have the most experience.
...and that's not gonna change if you only allow NHL's refs to get more experience :roll:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2014, 15:19
It's not the NHL refs' fault the rest of the world prefers inferior sports.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Feb 2014, 16:16
Why do I like hockey?

Well, I can tell you I don't care for the shootout, but I do love how this game played out.

And the cherry on top: T.J. Oshie. Everyone in America is proclaiming him a national hero. His response?

"The American heroes are wearing camo. That's not me."

<3
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 15 Feb 2014, 19:11
Rumor has it that if the NHL didn't allow players to go to the Olympics this year, the Russian players would have staged a three-week walkout.  Some rumors indicate Putin was the brains behind this idea.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Feb 2014, 05:54
The question will be what will happen in 2018 if the NHL decides not to shut down for the Pyeongyang Olympics.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 16 Feb 2014, 06:14
Uh, was that a typo or intentional? I'm bad at figuring that out in written text :psyduck:
The 2018 Olympic games are in Pyeongchang in South Korea, not Pyeongyang, the capital of North Korea. I do hope that the IOC would not be so stupid as to ever give the games to North Korea... (Until after a drastic change of their political system, I mean.)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Feb 2014, 06:47
I'm guessing that was a typo.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 16 Feb 2014, 11:40
Canada over Finland in OT. Canucks were strong as expected and probably deserved the win. Small margins keep it exciting, and some what-ifs linger in our minds.

No complaints about the refs (I should really try and bury that hatchet, but...).
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Feb 2014, 17:43
Uh, was that a typo or intentional? I'm bad at figuring that out in written text :psyduck:
The 2018 Olympic games are in Pyeongchang in South Korea, not Pyeongyang, the capital of North Korea. I do hope that the IOC would not be so stupid as to ever give the games to North Korea... (Until after a drastic change of their political system, I mean.)

Yeah, it was a mistake on my part, my bad. Pyeongchang is the site of the 2018 Winter Olympics - an it's unlikely that the NHL is going to stop its season again for it.

So. It's setting up for a Canada-USA showdown in the semifinals, not for the Gold.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 16 Feb 2014, 18:26
North Korean Olympics would be fun.

If you ignore the starving children that is.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Feb 2014, 19:31
The NHL shut down entirely?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Lines on 16 Feb 2014, 19:47
I forget the reason off the top of my head, but yes, they did it recently and it worried a lot of fans. I think it was recently, like just before this season or during last season...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Feb 2014, 19:53
No, I mean it's shut down now for the Olympics?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Feb 2014, 19:54
Like it isn't shut down normally during their regular season.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Feb 2014, 19:55
I dunno, I don't usually pay attention.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 16 Feb 2014, 22:38
The NHL shut down entirely?

Yes.  No NHL games until the players come back from the Olympics.

If MLB had swallowed their pride and done the same thing for the summer games, baseball would still be an Olympic sport.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 16 Feb 2014, 23:05
The question will be what will happen in 2018 if the NHL decides not to shut down for the Pyeongyang Olympics.
The North American hockey fans are the only people that can really put any kind of pressure on the NHL. Because you're kinda paying for the show. Tell them that you want to see the stars in the Olympics.... Please.

So. It's setting up for a Canada-USA showdown in the semifinals, not for the Gold.

I guess the teams are placed into the play-off bracket according to a scheme that depends on the number of points earned in the preliminary round. Sweden became the #1 seed for winning all their first round games in regulation. US and Canada needed OT against Russia and Finland respectively, so they are second and third seeds (according to some tie-break rule, goals for/against difference?). Finland got the #4 spot for having earned the most points among the 2nd place teams in the three groups.

I'm not sure I like the format, where seeding at this point may depend on how badly you run up the score in one of those somewhat unappetizing mismatches. I guess an alternative would be to invite 16 teams, but then there would be even more mismatches. Narrowing down the field down to eight would make for an interesting tourney, but would make the pre-tourney qualifying rounds matter more, for behind the six usual suspects (USA, CAN, RUS, SWE, CZE, FIN) it would be a toss up. In WCs the Swiss and the Slovaks do well occasionally. To secure a few more sponsors you need to allow Germany a shot to be in, and give nations like Belarus, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Norway a shot at an upset. I doubt that the NHL would accept players going to play for their respective countries in the qualifying round games on top of the actual tournament. Consequently we get this format, where the real games begin when the top eight knock heads. They are pressed for time, so it's a `best of one´ play off (+ a bronze medal match).
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 07:05
Wow, Slovakia only scored 2 goals?  That's pretty shocking given the offensive talent that country has produced over the years.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 08:25
Also, hugely disappointed that olympic curling doesn't use the Page playoff system.  Most domestic competitions here do.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Jimor on 18 Feb 2014, 09:01
Also, hugely disappointed that olympic curling doesn't use the Page playoff system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_playoff_system).  Most domestic competitions here do.

Learned something new!  :-)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 09:04
I just have an old axe to grind here. When my hometown co-hosted the WCs some time in the 90s, there were complaints about the Europeans refs by the North American teams. We were quite puzzled by some of the complaints, as the local ref was voted by the players of our league to be the best year after year (by a fair margin I may add). It turned out that the complaint was not so much about his calls, but the fact that he couldn't communicate in English. So are all the players entitled to talk with the ref in their own language?

While you didn't ask, you probably won't be surprised to learn that over here, the WCs are considered about as important as the Izvestia tournament.  That is to say, not very.

Oh, and not all North American players have Englishas "their language", but I get your point.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Feb 2014, 10:00
Also, hugely disappointed that olympic curling doesn't use the Page playoff system.  Most domestic competitions here do.

I'm disappointed curling is still an Olympic sport, but then so is ping pong.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 10:12
Everyone has a complaint, it seems, about what should or should not be in the Olympics.  I get that.

What I've never understood is the derision shown for table tennis.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Feb 2014, 10:23
I'm basically against any "sport" that is commonly plaid on cruise ships being considered an epitome of human physical endeavour. (Let's be honest, Curling is shuffle board on ice with younger players, they even have the same wacky pants now)

Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 18 Feb 2014, 10:26
There is no way I could ever be anything close to a ping pong player. It's sooo difficult.

Also,I want poetry and city design and poodle grooming back in the olympic games.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 10:37
Pretty sure people go for runs on cruise ship decks.  So definitely no more Usain Bolt or Haile Gebreselassie in the Olympics!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 18 Feb 2014, 10:48
There is no way I could ever be anything close to a ping pong player. It's sooo difficult.

Also,I want poetry and city design and poodle grooming back in the olympic games.

As someone who was always on the smaller end of the scale growing up, I like that there are sports that are about more than raw strength and speed.  Ideally, there should be sports out there for all body and mind types, and I have no problem with all of them being feted at the Olympics.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 18 Feb 2014, 13:45
Why not chess, bridge, go ... Indeed.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Feb 2014, 13:50
Wait, how are strength and speed not huge parts of ping pong? And for that matter, they're hardly the ONLY thing that matter in any sport.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 18 Feb 2014, 14:16
Yeah, professional table tennis is insanely fast - it is totally about speed, concentration and technique. I fail to see how it is somehow not worthy of being in the Olympics. Or less worthy than other sports anyway.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 18 Feb 2014, 14:34
I'm basically against any "sport" that is commonly plaid on cruise ships being considered an epitome of human physical endeavour. (Let's be honest, Curling is shuffle board on ice with younger players, they even have the same wacky pants now)

You ever pick up one of those curling rocks, soldier?

On other things: Latvia vs. Canada in hockey is like a Pop Warner football team vs. the Seattle Seahawks in (American) football.

Or, for our friends outside the CONUSA, it's like your kid's local U-18 footy team taking on Manchester United.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Feb 2014, 14:45
Yes actually. I have curled. It was mind numbing.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Blue Kitty on 18 Feb 2014, 14:48
Why not chess, bridge, go ... Indeed.

I've always been a little leery of the equestrian sports
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Feb 2014, 14:58
I wouldn't support Chess for the Olympics, I would however support Chess Boxing
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Feb 2014, 17:03
On other things: Latvia vs. Canada in hockey is like a Pop Warner football team the Denver Broncos vs. the Seattle Seahawks in (American) football.
The only way I'll get over it is to laugh about it, I suppose :roll:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 18 Feb 2014, 18:57
I believe Chess will be a sport in the 2016 Olympics in Rio. Along with Rugby Sevens.

But no wrestling.  :? :? :?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Feb 2014, 19:06
...chess? Why chess? And for that matter, why is it a summer sport? Isn't it usually played indoors? Also...is it a sport?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 18 Feb 2014, 19:27
Chess would be a summer sport because it isn't played on snow or ice.

Basketball is traditionally an indoor winter sport, but its part of the Summer Olympics because it's not played on a frozen surface.  The NBA has no problem sending athletes to the Olympics because it's their off season.

Fun fact:  basketball was invented so people would have something to play indoors, when the weather was too crappy to go outside.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 18 Feb 2014, 21:37
Why not chess, bridge, go ... Indeed.

Bridge was an exhibition event at Salt Lake City games. IIRC some players expressed disgust on IOC restrictions to smoking on the playing venue. I guess we won't see a repeat any time soon. Mind you, nowadays they organize mind game olympics, but that is still in beta. China hosted a well rounded such event after Beijing games (weiqi/go, bridge,..). After London games Lille (France) hosted something that was supposed to be similar, but only bridge players showed up :psyduck:

The events I would throw out are the ones where artistic impression and style judges play too large a role. Sure, figure skating, slopestyle, halfpipe, synchronized swimming and the like are physically demanding - no question about that. But evaluation of style always seems to leave too much room for differences of opinion as to who actually was the best. May be that is part of the fun actually?

As someone who was always on the smaller end of the scale growing up, I like that there are sports that are about more than raw strength and speed.  Ideally, there should be sports out there for all body and mind types, and I have no problem with all of them being feted at the Olympics.

This. Also I'm happy that the large variance in, for example, weight divisions in events like wrestling and weight lifting allow people of different sizes to compete. Gymnastics still is mostly for people in the smaller end (or should I say advantageous muscle strength/body weight ratio), but there are many more events, where size is an advantage.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 18 Feb 2014, 21:50
While you didn't ask, you probably won't be surprised to learn that over here, the WCs are considered about as important as the Izvestia tournament.  That is to say, not very.

Ok, ok. This has been explained to me many times. I just have a hard time swallowing. You see, I have this wonderful conspiracy theory of how the NHL ... it explains everything! Real clearly!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2014, 01:34
The Olympics is a sports event. Stuff that isn't sport shouldn't be in there. If you're not very well co-ordinated, or, let's face it, genetically predisposed to be a near superhuman, then tough titties, you don't get to be in the Olympics. But that is, sadly, the way a million things work. Art, music, writing, sport, maths, so many things are down to just being born with the knack to some extent.

Also, I still think in dressage the horse should get the medal, not the rider.

Also, I still think it's the dumbest looking 'sport' I've ever seen in my life, and over here there are people who throw themselves down a hill to catch wheels of cheese.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 19 Feb 2014, 02:02
You only say that because you have no Ankie van Grunsven.

Or however that name is spelled.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Feb 2014, 04:03
Also, I still think in dressage the horse should get the medal, not the rider.


The horse's medal is a life time of comfort, ease and not being turned into glue. Not to mention the massive amount of money people will pay for an Olympian horse's issue.

Knowing what I know about dressage, the stupid amount of effort horse, rider and trainer need to put in to compete at any level, the Equestrian events, if retained as Olympic events, should be considered team sports, and the trio responsible for the winning performance (rider, primary trainer and the horse) should all receive medals.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 19 Feb 2014, 05:04
Ahh. Thank God for the sprint relays (Xcountry skiing). Today was Finland's: silver at women's (not a surprise), gold at men's (a moderate to big surprise). A huge monkey off our collective backs.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 05:23
While you didn't ask, you probably won't be surprised to learn that over here, the WCs are considered about as important as the Izvestia tournament.  That is to say, not very.

Ok, ok. This has been explained to me many times. I just have a hard time swallowing. You see, I have this wonderful conspiracy theory of how the NHL ... it explains everything! Real clearly!

Really the conspiracy runs that way?  Hold the world championships every year during the Stanley Cup Playoffs, so most of the best Canadian players are busy and can't come, but the NHL has a conspiracy?

btw, sounds like you're a bridge player, too.  Canada won in SLC iirc...

I do find it interesting that you throw figure skating and synchronized swimming under the bus, but gymnastics is just as judged, and just as...questionable.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 05:46
Actually, with all this discussion about judged events, I think we're overlooking something that has to disappear from the Olympics even sooner than judged events - relays.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2014, 05:55
End y's dat?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 05:59
Relays are fundamentally a way to pad medal count.  They're not different, really, than the individual events (hence, people barely ever train specifically for a relay), and they tend to pad medal counts in certain events, such as swimming and track.

(As an aside, as a swimmer, I think there are VASTLY too many swimming medals given).

It would be like if there were medals in tennis for:
- one set tennis
- 3 sets tennis
- 5 set tennis
- tennis relay

This is one skill, NOT 4.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2014, 06:03
Hmm. You have a point there.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 19 Feb 2014, 06:39
While you didn't ask, you probably won't be surprised to learn that over here, the WCs are considered about as important as the Izvestia tournament.  That is to say, not very.

Ok, ok. This has been explained to me many times. I just have a hard time swallowing. You see, I have this wonderful conspiracy theory of how the NHL ... it explains everything! Real clearly!

Really the conspiracy runs that way?  Hold the world championships every year during the Stanley Cup Playoffs, so most of the best Canadian players are busy and can't come, but the NHL has a conspiracy?

Well, in the old times the WCs were held in the winter/early spring, and all the other leagues, save the NHL, were suspended for the duration of the WCs. And it is hardly the Europeans fault, if the NHL wants to run winter sport play offs in May/June :-). I have not heard of the NHL suggesting a different date for the WCs, but I may be wrong. FWIW I would welcome such a suggestion!

Quote from: ev4n
btw, sounds like you're a bridge player, too.  Canada won in SLC iirc...

Congrats! Had to dig for the results. (http://www.worldbridge.org/ioc-grand-prix.aspx) Needless to add that Finland didn't qualify :-D

Quote from: ev4n
I do find it interesting that you throw figure skating and synchronized swimming under the bus, but gymnastics is just as judged, and just as...questionable.

You have a point there. The things going for gymnastics are that 1) it's been around from the beginning, 2) it is one of the rare events, where size is a disadvantage, so it has a place. Not a solid argument by any stretch. It being a judged sport is a bit questionable. IMHO the most alarming thing that ever happend in gymnastics was the domination by 4ft8in, 65lb, 12-14 year old girls in the 80s and 90s. That body type is such a good fit for the sport, so they had to introduce an (admittedly artificial) lower age limit. I don't know, if that was a good thing. People whose physique fits that description are entitled compete in some event (and there's no question about the physical talent/training it requires). Nevertheless, the judging element makes gymnastics also a bit iffy.

Relays on the other hand? On the track the switchovers are a separate skill. That is were the Americans have often ruined their chances, in spite of overall dominating the event very clearly (historically speaking, Jamaican success is a recent thing) . In Xcountry skiing and swimming it is admittedly a bit more iffy. I guess the point is that it prevents one astounding athlete from dominating the sport, and gives a balanced set of quality also-runs a chance. In Xcountry the tactical aspects make relays very interesting. Normally the races are timed in a way that the contestants leave at 30 second intervals, so that they don't congest the trail. In relays (also the mass start events that are a new arrival, too) a weaker skier can just try and hang in there - effectively using the stronger skier as a pacemaker. I guess opinions differ, whether any of these points is a good thing or not :-) You are probably correct in that it is done somewhat to pad the medal count. And I agree that swimming is possibly where bloating the number of events started.

Finland - Russia 3-1.  Hell, yeah!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Feb 2014, 06:46
A good argument against gymnastics is that it's incredibly phyiscally damaging.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 07:08
Quite a few olympic sports are damaging.

Is mens gymnastics as damaging as women's?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 19 Feb 2014, 07:11
Any top level sport is. NFL has the concussion issue, the NHL is making dentists rich beyond believe (plus other injuries), tennis is hell on the knees and anything that makes you vomit after crossing a finish line cannot be good for you.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 11:33
55 saves by a 21 year old Latvian kid.  Well done.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 19 Feb 2014, 11:39
Also huge congrats to the 2 US teams not featuring Lolo Jones for medalling.  Still a travesty that Lolo came instead of the woman who was there in the first place, but I guess NBC got what they wanted.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 19 Feb 2014, 14:16
The Olympics is a sports event. Stuff that isn't sport shouldn't be in there.
This begs the question. What makes an activity a sport? Compare and contrast ice dancing, and ballet dancing, for example. Essentially, the only thing that makes the former an Olympic sport, and the latter an art, is that a score is awarded at the end of one, but not the other.

The events I would throw out are the ones where artistic impression and style judges play too large a role. Sure, figure skating, slopestyle, halfpipe, synchronized swimming and the like are physically demanding - no question about that. But evaluation of style always seems to leave too much room for differences of opinion as to who actually was the best. May be that is part of the fun actually?
Style and physical beauty, as assessed by very culturally-specific standards, is certainly a big part of the marketing appeal, I think. By curious coincidence: On subjective judging, racism, and injuries in figure-skating. (http://www.economist.com/node/21596710)

High-level, and especially professional, sport involves trading off injury for rewards of some combination of money, glory, and self-esteem. But let us not forget that someone who spends decades in a desk job, and then expires from one of the conditions provoked by a long-term sedentary life-style, has essentially done the same thing. It's a matter of how high we decide to burn our flames.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Feb 2014, 15:28
Or rather how we burn them. Mental and emotional stress can be just as damaging as putting your body through the ringer physically.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 19 Feb 2014, 16:10
I believe Chess will be a sport in the 2016 Olympics in Rio. Along with Rugby Sevens.

But no wrestling.  :? :? :?

Oh my fuck, rugby sevens is one of the best things there is anywhere.

Guys, how do you feel about Pussy Riot's attempted performance at the Sochi Olympics being broken up violently by the Cossack Militia?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Feb 2014, 16:38
Not surprised in the slightest?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Feb 2014, 17:49
The two best hockey teams in the world will be playing on back-to-back nights. The winner of both games will be guaranteed a medal - but the loser of only one will get a silver.

By the way - there are 400 total events between the summer and winter Olympics, in 44 "disciplines" (their term, not mine), split 29/15 between summer and winter games. There are eight "team" sports - six summer (Basketball, Field Hockey, Football - aka "Soccer" - Handball, Volleyball, Water Polo) and two winter (Curling and Ice Hockey). Of the team sports, Handball is about the only one I have a serious issue with continuing in the Olympics. It is pretty much a non-existent sport outside of Eastern Europe, because instead of playing that, they play that "other" game - basketball.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 19 Feb 2014, 23:14
Style and physical beauty, as assessed by very culturally-specific standards, is certainly a big part of the marketing appeal, I think. By curious coincidence: On subjective judging, racism, and injuries in figure-skating. (http://www.economist.com/node/21596710)
Marketing appeal certainly plays a big part as to why figure skating is a sport rather than art. Racism I'm not very sure about. Possibly? The case of Surya Bonaly (France) came to my mind, too. She made her debut at European championships at the age of 15 or something, and earned the reputation of "a teenager doing acrobatics on skates". Not surprisingly she scored high on technical merit, but artistic impression was a bit lacking. My eye is largely untrained, but even to me she did not seem to quite have the grace of a grown woman. Circus stunts like back flips did little to help that. She did mature quite a bit as years ticked by, eventually winning a few medals, but the old reputation stuck. That may have affected some of the judges, and is actually a thing that has been bothering my untrained eye - in figure skating you apparently need to make yourself known in advance to earn top marks. But I'm not ruling out the possibility that Miss Bonaly's initially unsatisfactory style marks were partially affected by the unfamiliar sight of black legs on ice. At the level of World Championships I would think that judges have grown out of racism. After all, women's figure skating in particular has lately been dominated by athelete/artists from Asia or in Michelle Kwan's case (US) of Asian heritage - and justifiably so, they have earned their good marks.

But how do you objectively define the difference in artistic impression made by an athletic perky teenage girl and a more mature woman? It is difficult to entirely avoid cultural standards. By "culture" I here mean the culture that has evolved in the world of figure skating, and the judges who have taken it to their hearts to keenly follow the sport and its evolution.

Is it sexist of me to concentrate on women's figure skating here? Is it sexist to emphasize the diffrence between a teenager and an adult? Women's gymnastics was also forced to deal with similar problems. It is a disturbing thought that a rule change would be even partially motivated by the spectators' and judges' (or media's) desire to see a bit older girls in skimpy gymnast's outfit.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Feb 2014, 23:15
Wait, how is a back flip a "circus stunt" compared to "jumping up in the air and spinning"? A back flip on skates sounds ridiculously awesome!

Edit: Sounds and looks awesome. Seriously, how does this not win?

Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 20 Feb 2014, 00:07
IDK, ask a figure skating judge. Some possibilities:

Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Feb 2014, 00:11
Why is artistic an issue? It's sports. Also why is dangerous a bad thing? IT'S SPORTS.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 20 Feb 2014, 01:06
Guessing (again).

The old scoring was based on awarding two separate scores titled something like "technical merit" and "artistic impression". That has been changed, but was the way it was done, when Bonaly was active. Those fancy costumes are also a part of the artistic impression, so artistry is still part of the contest. Otherwise the skaters could wear jumpsuit or tights, right?

Dangerous? I wasn't (am not) so sure about that. May be something like: what could possibly go wrong, when there are six skaters in the rink simultaneously (during warm ups) doing back flips? There's something about sharp blades flying through the air. You don't see hockey players diving blades first through the air either. A goalie or a defenseman often seeks to block a shot sliding like that - but not when airborne (or one skated lifted high up).

The weight of tradition is not to be underestimated. After all, an individuals figure skating (up to something like the 80s) used to consist of three parts, not just the short program and free program as it is now. They were doing something like "compulsory figures" before the short program. Something like: the skater is supposed to do two figure 8s of a prescribed size gliding on one skate, and retracing their path EXACTLY. Afterwards the judges would kneel on the ice, carefully examine the groove made by the skaters blade, and deduct points for all deviations. Needless to say, this part of the competition rarely attracted any spectators or TV cameras.

Edit: What I said about back flips being dangerous doesn't make sense really. I think the dislike is largely aesthetic.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 20 Feb 2014, 02:17
It's probably just that the figure skating community in general is highly resistant to change.  Just look at the Duchesnays back in the 80s - they would get low 4s and high 5s for the same routine because they were so innovative and controversial.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 20 Feb 2014, 02:46
Edit: Sounds and looks awesome. Seriously, how does this not win?
According to the article I linked above, when Ms. Bonaly performed the flip at the Nagano Winter Olympics, not only did it not win, but although the flip was technically permitted because Ms Bonaly landed on one blade, the judges retroactively ruled it illegal and reduced her score.

As for culturally specific standards, compare and contrast Oksana Baiul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KfdfjIoGWw4#t=140) of Ukraine and Surya Bonaly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLyAq4L9obA#t=276) in the 1993 World Championships. Bonaly outscored eventual gold medallist Baiul on technical merit but was relegated to second place by poor scores in presentation. Consider which skater conformed most closely to the standards of femininity and beauty current in the judges' countries (seven of nine being European, the others from Japan and China), and which was likely to be closer to their idea of an "ice princess". The comments on both clips are typical YouTube, but it is only Bonaly who is described as "a Mack truck in a dress"...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 20 Feb 2014, 05:33
Let's put this into perspective a little bit.  Surya Bonaly (and Baiul) skated at a time when both men's and women's figure skating were undergoing a jumping revolution.  Quality, difficulty, frequency and timing (the later in the program, the more difficult) of jumps was starting to be emphasized over traditional artistry.  Skaters like Surya Bonaly, Tonya Harding and Elvis Stojko threw triples and quads into their programs, looking to outscore more traditional skaters like Oksana Baiul, Nancy Kerrigan and a slew of Russian skaters.

A disparity between technical and artistic scores was incredibly common in that era.

Let's also not discount that Surya Bonaly was a 5 time European champion.  She beat Oksana Baiul twice at Europeans.

I'm not saying the racial element was absent, because I have no idea (but probably not).  All I'm saying is that there's more to the story than that.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 20 Feb 2014, 05:37
See this wikipage  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating#6.0_System)for an explanation of the old rules. You see that the points did not matter much. The placings were determined by how the judges placed you among the skaters (each judge produced their own ranking) in the short/free program (the latter getting a higher weight).

Edit: Removed a rant. I think I have blown enough esteem for today.

It's probably just that the figure skating community in general is highly resistant to change.  Just look at the Duchesnays back in the 80s - they would get low 4s and high 5s for the same routine because they were so innovative and controversial.
This is probably close to the mark. It seemed to me that in the dance in the early 80s the rankings were mostly preset. Any changes from the predicted rankings were close to scandalous.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 20 Feb 2014, 12:13
Some shouts went off around the office.  Guess it's good news.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 20 Feb 2014, 12:45
Congrats (you're Canadian, eh?). The conclusion was exciting.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 20 Feb 2014, 12:51
Yeah, I'm Canadian.

I think the nationed stopped there for an hour or two.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Feb 2014, 15:09
Crap.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Feb 2014, 15:11
I think the nation stopped there for an hour or two.
I know that's exaggeration and I know it's the Olympic championship but...is it really that big a deal to Canada as a country? I mean sports are fun to watch but are they really that important to people? I've never really understood this.

(I'd be saying the same thing regardless of who won, and congrats to Canada's team)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Feb 2014, 15:12
They "created" the game, so it's that important to them.

To me, it's like we're just putting one more nail in the coffin of Women's Olympic Hockey.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Feb 2014, 15:15
Wait, why? Because Canada won?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 20 Feb 2014, 17:00
I think the nation stopped there for an hour or two.
I know that's exaggeration and I know it's the Olympic championship but...is it really that big a deal to Canada as a country? I mean sports are fun to watch but are they really that important to people? I've never really understood this.

(I'd be saying the same thing regardless of who won, and congrats to Canada's team)

It's HOCKEY
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Feb 2014, 17:19
...so? Yeah, it's Canada's sport but it's still just...eh, whatever, I'll never understand.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Feb 2014, 18:20
When the same team wins the gold every single Olympics, we're pretty much proving that it's Canada, the USA, and that's pretty much it when it comes to women's hockey.

This game was the first game since their preliminary battle that was actually competitive for both teams. You could just have the entire tournament be these two teams, and have the rest of the teams just play a round robin to figure out who takes Bronze.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Feb 2014, 06:19
The stakes have just been raised (http://www.npr.org/blogs/theedge/2014/02/21/280635672/oh-no-when-u-s-and-canada-face-off-loser-keeps-bieber?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=share&utm_medium=facebook).
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 21 Feb 2014, 06:36
Crap.
Squared.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 21 Feb 2014, 10:15
I think the nation stopped there for an hour or two.
I know that's exaggeration and I know it's the Olympic championship but...is it really that big a deal to Canada as a country? I mean sports are fun to watch but are they really that important to people? I've never really understood this.

Super Bowl viewership, in the US:  111.5 million of 317.5 million  (35.1%)
Gold medal hockey game, men, 2010, in Canada:  16.6 million of 33.5 million  (49.6%)

Yes, it really is that big a deal.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Feb 2014, 10:22
It's not just a spectator sport either - kids in Canada play hockey (or at the very least ice skate) in the way that kids in the UK play football and in the USA play, uh, whatever it is that kids play there (baseball? American football? I'm not sure which is bigger). I have a lot of Canadian friends on Twitter and this game is all they have been talking about for days, and judging by their tweets it's all anyone's been talking about anywhere.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 10:33
It's regional May. In the Northern part of the country we play a shit ton of Hockey. In the South East out to Texas it's Football country.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 21 Feb 2014, 10:57
This is just a crazy guess, but

speed skating in the netherlands > ice hockey in canada > football in texas > football in the UK
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 11:08
Dude. No. No one's killed each other over speed skating. Football riots in the U.K. are a thing, and you do not see the kind of behavior focused around Texas football outside of suicide doomsday cults.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 21 Feb 2014, 12:04
Being the sole Canadian expat on an American Camp watching that game kinda killed the buzz.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 12:09
Sounds like someone needs to be sent back to re-education.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 21 Feb 2014, 12:45
And that's pretty much exactly why I opted for Army over USMC.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 12:48
No no, this is just an issue with your citizenship, you need to relearn 'Murica
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 21 Feb 2014, 13:07
Apart from two decades of Canadian citizenship outweighing a year and a half of American, Team Canada has Toews, Keith, and Sharp, whilst Team USA only has Kane. Advantage, Canada.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 21 Feb 2014, 13:46
I know that's exaggeration and I know it's the Olympic championship but...is it really that big a deal to Canada as a country? I mean sports are fun to watch but are they really that important to people? I've never really understood this.
I sympathise. In Australia a single horse-race, the Melbourne Cup, is said to "stop the nation". It draws TV viewership of an estimated three million people on a weekday afternoon, despite being about as exciting as watching grass grow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNB7gS8eDU8) (though watching horses run always has an appeal, I think). I've never worked in an office that didn't hold stupid betting pools on the race, and failing to be excited about it is definitely regarded as slightly unAustralian. I think sport-obsession provides a useful, relatively safe, outlet for primitive tribal instincts. :-D

Congratulations to Canada. It is always nice to see David defeat Goliath. :angel:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Feb 2014, 14:11
What on earth was the referee thinking when Elise Christie was penalised AGAIN? If there were a gold medal for stoicism in the face of incredible unfairness and bad luck, she would win it without question.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 15:44
I know that's exaggeration and I know it's the Olympic championship but...is it really that big a deal to Canada as a country? I mean sports are fun to watch but are they really that important to people? I've never really understood this.
I sympathise. In Australia a single horse-race, the Melbourne Cup, is said to "stop the nation". It draws TV viewership of an estimated three million people on a weekday afternoon, despite being about as exciting as watching grass grow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNB7gS8eDU8) (though watching horses run always has an appeal, I think). I've never worked in an office that didn't hold stupid betting pools on the race, and failing to be excited about it is definitely regarded as slightly unAustralian. I think sport-obsession provides a useful, relatively safe, outlet for primitive tribal instincts. :-D

Congratulations to Canada. It is always nice to see David defeat Goliath. :angel:

It's Canada and the United States, this is more two Jotunn slugging it out while curb stomping David and his family. :P

I used to like horse racing, then I got into the stuff behind it... now I just feel bad for the horses.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 21 Feb 2014, 18:30
That was a crappy way to lose a hockey game.

It's the hazard of having two teams pretty much evenly matched going up against each other. One little bounce, and that's the game.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 21 Feb 2014, 23:12
I think sport-obsession provides a useful, relatively safe, outlet for primitive tribal instincts. :-D
Yup. Europe's been a relatively peaceful place ever since wars were replaced with football matches.

Quote from: Akima
Congratulations to Canada. It is always nice to see David defeat Goliath. :angel:
Not sure about this. I don't know the numbers, but it wouldn't surprise me, if Canadian players outnumber Americans in the NHL.

Any thoughts about the coming medal matches? Canada beat US in regulation, but needed overtime againsta Finland. Finland beat Russia in regulation, but US needed to go to shoot outs  :-D Prolly US is still a favorite to win this one, and it may actually become lopsided. But Finland is in with a chance.

Similarly. Sweden beat Finland in regulation, but Canada needed to work overtime. Does that make Sweden the favorite for the final?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 21 Feb 2014, 23:22
I think sport-obsession provides a useful, relatively safe, outlet for primitive tribal instincts. :-D
Yup. Europe's been a relatively peaceful place ever since wars were replaced with football matches.


Spoken like a man who's never been to a Manchester United match! Up'em Reds!

Also might be nice if you guys could export some of that peace to South America, there's that whole "beheading a ref" incident, and the "hand grenade" incident, and that other beheading...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 22 Feb 2014, 00:12
I think sport-obsession provides a useful, relatively safe, outlet for primitive tribal instincts. :-D
Yup. Europe's been a relatively peaceful place ever since wars were replaced with football matches.


Spoken like a man who's never been to a Manchester United match! Up'em Reds!

Also might be nice if you guys could export some of that peace to South America, there's that whole "beheading a ref" incident, and the "hand grenade" incident, and that other beheading...

 :-D :-D Two central American nations actually (Honduras & El Salvador?) actually started a war, because there was some doubt about the outcome of football match. A Columbian player was shot to death for putting the ball in their own net at WCs. Et cetera.. Latin temper?

I meant to support the thought that sports is an outlet for some of the national rivalries/gripes that might otherwise reach a boiling point in a nastier way. But supposedly ("I don't know, but I've been told!") there is some extra charge in the atmosphere whenever Germany plays one of the neighboring countries. In hockey a similar thing happened at the WCs following Warsaw pact tanks nipping the Prague Spring in the bud in the late 60s. Czechoslovakia (and the crowd) put in some extra effort into their games against the Soviets. Bruise count was high.

UK fans are notorious (as are the Turkish). Which is why when Italy hosted WCs, England was put into the group that played their early round games in Sicily. And somehow a rumor got started that the Sicilian mafia is in charge of keeping peace at the stadium.
At the opposite end of hooliganism are the Danish football fans, aka "rooligans" ("rolig" = fun in Swedish/Danish/Norwegian). Yes, loud noises and largish quantities of beer are involved, but absolutely no violence. Just enjoying a fine evening in a fine ball game.

So: "relatively peaceful" as in "no war".
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Feb 2014, 00:25
Bah. It's not a match without glassing someone.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 22 Feb 2014, 01:50
this is more two Jotunn slugging it out

You're really big into Norse mythology, right?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2014, 04:50
Apart from two decades of Canadian citizenship outweighing a year and a half of American, Team Canada has Toews, Keith, and Sharp, whilst Team USA only has Kane. Advantage, Canada.

whoa whoa whoa, don't forget Pavelski, Kessel, van Riemsdyk as skaters, and Quick, Howard, and what's his tits from the Sabres as net minders. I am proud of the U.S. team even though Canada definitely nailed it. I'm pulling for a Canuckistani gold this year.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Feb 2014, 06:28
this is more two Jotunn slugging it out

You're really big into Norse mythology, right?

Active believer might be the more appropriate term
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 22 Feb 2014, 07:15
So... Ready for Ragnarok today?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2014, 07:39
If anyone's prepared, it's proooobably GM.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 22 Feb 2014, 07:43
True dat.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Feb 2014, 07:49
Oh fucking hell I hope so <3

I might not have an axe handy but motherfucker I will bag me at least a few frost giants with my M1 Garand.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 Feb 2014, 08:09
Selanne. Why did it have to be Selanne?

And Jokinen, too?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 22 Feb 2014, 08:34
That was a surprise. May be the 3-0 goal was too much - not much of a contest after that? A bit of paypack from the Vancouver semifinal, when USA made it 5-0 against us in 12 minutes or something.

I guess psychologically playing for bronze was easier for Finland. Yes, the semifinal loss to "kära fiende" was painful. But we win so few medals over all that putting a disappointment from yesterday behind, and getting motivated to play for bronze is perhaps easier for us than what it is for either Team USA or Team Canada.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Nikolai on 22 Feb 2014, 10:24

whoa whoa whoa, don't forget Pavelski, Kessel, van Riemsdyk as skaters, and Quick, Howard, and what's his tits from the Sabres as net minders. I am proud of the U.S. team even though Canada definitely nailed it. I'm pulling for a Canuckistani gold this year.

What I meant was that my only real allegiance to either team was the players from the Blackhawks.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 22 Feb 2014, 13:23
So... Ready for Ragnarok today?
GM is ready to Ragnarok and roll!

So Finland beat the USA in ice-hockey? Now that surely must be David beating Goliath...  :-D
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Feb 2014, 13:47
Yes! It's also a Finnish tradition, so they might not appreciate the Judeo-Christian inference when they can just say "Just like that time we curb checked the Red Army at 100 to 1 casualties, or pretty much every war proceeding."
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 22 Feb 2014, 14:53
Yes! It's also a Finnish tradition, so they might not appreciate the Judeo-Christian inference when they can just say "Just like that time we curb checked the Red Army at 100 to 1 casualties, or pretty much every war proceeding."
Now that's an exaggeration, but yeah. There was a lot of high-fiving today in these parts.

I don't know how the media in US/Canada saw this tournament, but our bronze was nothing like the biggest upset in the history of the game. The NHL players have been allowed to participate in the olympics since 1998 (Nagano), so this was the fifth time. Medals won in those five tournaments are (we don't know the outcome of tomorrow's final, so I list both alternatives for Canada and Sweden)

Country   Gold   Silver  Bronze   Total

Canada    3/2     1/0        0           3
USA          0       2          0           2
Sweden    2/1     0/1       0           2
Russia       0         1         1          2
Czech Rep. 1        0         1           2
Finland      0         1         3          4

Yeah, the color of our medals could be brighter, but I guess I'm relatively happy with what we can take. Note:


If you include the earlier olympics, Canada and USSR dominate by a clear margin, followed by Sweden and Czech(oslovakia). USA won in 1980 (Miracle on ice). So admittedly I was very selective in pickiing the recent tournaments :-D
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 22 Feb 2014, 19:51
Which part? Because my rough numbers for the Winter war (1-100 KIA) are on par, I had to research it for work.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 22 Feb 2014, 21:04
Only three more events to go before the games are done. 3 golds and silvers and two bronzes to be awarded.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 23 Feb 2014, 04:31
Woo - first blood for Canada.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 23 Feb 2014, 08:50
Congrats to Team Canada! Did anyone else get the impression that they were not really tested in the final game? Either the semifinal was the taxing game for Canadiens, or Team Sweden become very disorganized after Bäckström was booted out? Anyway, the jinx is broken. It is possible for an American team to win olympics on European soil. If only Europeans could win the olympics next time the tournament is in North America  :-D. A similar "jinx" is quite strong in footbal World Cup. IIRC only Brazil has been able to win it on the other side of the pond.

Anyway, hockey has come a long way since the first OG tournament, when Canada outscored its opponents 110-3 (combined score). This time it was only 17-3  :-D. Team USA is also in the upswing with NHL spreading further out (or should I say further South), and possibly more kids getting interested.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 23 Feb 2014, 09:35
U.S. Olympic Officials: It Wasn't Suits That Hurt Speed Skaters

[...]"If you look at the speedskating results, we weren't the only nation that got smoked by the Netherlands,"[...]

So typical. The dutch win something and immediately they're talking about smoking.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/theedge/2014/02/22/281135203/u-s-olympic-officials-it-wasnt-suits-that-hurt-speed-skaters
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 23 Feb 2014, 11:21
The final medal count:

RkNationGSBTMPTS%AMA
1Russian Fed. 13119337011.19%
2United States 971228539.49%
3Norway 1151026538.81%
4Canada 1010525558.47%
5Netherlands 87924478.14%
6Germany 86519416.44%
7Austria 48517335.76%
8France 44715275.08%
9Sweden 27615265.08%
10Switzerland 63211263.73%
11China 3429193.05%
12Korea 3328172.71%
13Belarus 5016162.03%
14Czech Republic 2428162.71%
15Poland 4116152.03%
16Slovenia 2248142.71%
17Japan 1438142.71%
18Italy 0268102.71%
19Finland 1315101.69%
20Great Britain 112471.36%
21Latvia 022461.36%
22Australia 021351.02%
23Ukraine 101240.68%
24Slovakia 100130.34%
25Croatia 010120.34%
26Kazakhstan 001110.34%


TM = Total medals (Gold, silver, bronze)
PTS = Point System (10 for gold, 6 for silver, 4 for bronze; sorry for the confusion.)
% All = Percentage of all medals awarded (295 total medals awarded)
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 23 Feb 2014, 14:20
I think with Canada winning 2 gold in ice hockey and 2 gold in curling, we probably feel like we won everything.

/shrug

What on earth was the referee thinking when Elise Christie was penalised AGAIN? If there were a gold medal for stoicism in the face of incredible unfairness and bad luck, she would win it without question.

Ugh.  Short track has a history of upsetting officials decisions.  I'd hoped they were improving over time, but they can still be crash fests at times, which leaves too much in the hands of judges.

So Finland beat the USA in ice-hockey? Now that surely must be David beating Goliath...  :-D

Now that's an exaggeration, but yeah. There was a lot of high-fiving today in these parts.

I don't know how the media in US/Canada saw this tournament, but our bronze was nothing like the biggest upset in the history of the game. The NHL players have been allowed to participate in the olympics since 1998 (Nagano), so this was the fifth time. Medals won in those five tournaments are (we don't know the outcome of tomorrow's final, so I list both alternatives for Canada and Sweden)

Country   Gold   Silver  Bronze   Total

Canada    3/2     1/0        0           3
USA          0       2          0           2
Sweden    2/1     0/1       0           2
Russia       0         1         1          2
Czech Rep. 1        0         1           2
Finland      0         1         3          4

Yeah, the color of our medals could be brighter, but I guess I'm relatively happy with what we can take. Note:
  • No medals to any nation other than the listed six. At this level hockey is not very widespread. Slovakia and Belarus made it into the bronze medal game in 2010 and 2002 respectively, but drew the short straw.


Yeah, I hardly consider Finland an underdog.  All the top 6 countries are albe to beat each other, imo.  I honestly put Slovakia in that list, but after this olympics, I'm wondering if they just had a golden generation go by or something.

Switzerland isn't far behind, because I'm pretty sure they ARE having a golden generation at the moment.

...

All that said, I'm baffled as to why only 2 of the 6 big hockey countries play the women's game at the top level.  Are Sweden and Finland (to name 2) just not as progressive with regards to women's sports?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Metope on 23 Feb 2014, 17:38
Wait what? I got a Tapatalk notification that you someone quoted me, but I never wrote the post you quoted! What happened here, I don't even care about hockey.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: GarandMarine on 23 Feb 2014, 20:44
I quoted Akima, who quoted your bit about David and Goliath.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 23 Feb 2014, 23:38
Did anyone else get the impression that they were not really tested in the final game?

Sweden were making Canada work in the first period and I was thinking that at the end of the first period they were likely to come back and run a far better game in the second. But nope, they just didn't seem to want to cash in on their hard work and started fading back.

Looking at the highlights of the women's final, I really wish I has watched that. Can't decide who was more emotional at the end. Canada for winning of USA for not really understanding why they had lost.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Akima on 24 Feb 2014, 00:54
I quoted Akima, who quoted your bit about David and Goliath.
I quoted Metope about Ragnarok. I'm entirely to blame for the David & Goliath thing.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 24 Feb 2014, 02:53
Wait what? I got a Tapatalk notification that you someone quoted me, but I never wrote the post you quoted! What happened here, I don't even care about hockey.  :psyduck:

Oops.  ???

True quote from one of Canada's most popular homegrown bands:

Quote
You said you didn't give a f__ about hockey
And I never saw someone say THAT before...
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Feb 2014, 04:51
Quote
You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say THAT before...
Curious...is that line a positive (as in the person is unique) or negative (as in the person doesn't care about hockey and is therefore unworthy)?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 24 Feb 2014, 05:09
neutral/surprise I guess.

Quote
If there's a goal that everyone remembers
It was back in old seventy two
We all squeezed the stick and we all pulled the trigger
And all I remember is sitting beside you

You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

In the lore of Canadian hockey, nothing is more important than 1972.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 24 Feb 2014, 06:53
All that said, I'm baffled as to why only 2 of the 6 big hockey countries play the women's game at the top level.  Are Sweden and Finland (to name 2) just not as progressive with regards to women's sports?
I like to think that we both are very much ok with women's sports. In the 90s it was mostly about us being behind. At the time at women's WCs the final was usually between Western Canada and Eastern Canada. Then USA started catching up. But women's hockey here just hasn't really caught on. I can think of the following reasons.

1) Women who want to play a team game on skates often pick ringette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringette) here. That is another game originating from Canada (and played only by women). Much like hockey: same rink, same size goals. Only the sticks don't have blades, and instead of a puck they use a rubber ring that players control by putting the end of the stick through the loop. I think that over here it is easier for interested girls to find a ringette club as opposed to a hockey club. I don't know if it is the same thing in Sweden?

2) A popular alternative to hockey in both Sweden and Finland (also Czech republic and Switzerland) is  floorball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floorball). The basic idea of the game is very similar to hockey, or may be street hockey :-). Except that as the players run (so move slower than on skates), and shoot that hollow ball instead of a puck, they need no padding. The rules are also limiting bodily contact quite severely. So it is a lot cheaper as a hobby than hockey. I play myself (for exercise only) with a group of local thugs gentlemen in the 40+ age bracket. The pleasures of hockey (sans body checks) with reduced risk of injury, and only needing to buy a stick and shoes fit for indoor arenas. I really wish this game would catch on in North America. The Swedes have been dominating the sport long enough, leaving us in the role of a spoilsport with an occasional upset. Among Finnish women I think it is safe to say that floorball is more popular than either ringette or hockey. Don't know if it is for the listed reasons or not? Those reasons do explain that floorball is played in phys.ed. classes in schools everywhere, but hockey is so-so (boys probably prefer hockey - weather permitting).


Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 24 Feb 2014, 07:09
The Russian Federation had applied to have Bandy included for these games, but it was turned down by the IOC. I think that's a game the women are more prone to play in the former Soviet republics, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: ev4n on 24 Feb 2014, 08:55
One of the inventors of Ringette was from my hometown.  It's definitely played over here, but I suspect it's on the decline as girls switch from Ringette to hockey.

Floorball sounds a lot like floor hockey, which is played a lot over here, recreationally.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Skewbrow on 24 Feb 2014, 09:54
The Russian Federation had applied to have Bandy included for these games, but it was turned down by the IOC. I think that's a game the women are more prone to play in the former Soviet republics, but I could be wrong.

Thanks for this bit. I was actually half expecting Russians to try to make Bandy a exhibition demonstration sport for Sochi games, but didn't know about it. Bandy is like field hockey on skates. It is an old game, but as it needs natural ice (me thinks?), it is destined not to spread from the North. My Dad told me that when he was a kid (in the 40s) all the boys played bandy, and hockey was unheard of. If memory serves the first Swedish team participating in hockey WCs was a bunch of established bandy stars, who were willing to try hockey. As an olympic sport it would be about as predictable as women's hockey. You can bet that the final would have been Sweden vs. Russia with Kazakhstan, Finland and Norway fighting for the bronze. I haven't heard of women playing bandy in Finland. May be in Russia or Sweden?
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Feb 2014, 12:56
Floorball sounds like field hockey.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: jwhouk on 24 Feb 2014, 16:45
There is no such thing as "demonstration sports" in the Olympics anymore. The IOC didn't want the headache of trying to figure out after the fact if the sport's medal were "official" or not, if the sport/discipline became part of the Olympic program.

Floorball is like field hockey, except indoors. It's easier to play, but not as widespread a game as ice or field hockey.
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 24 Feb 2014, 19:46
Floorball sounds a lot like floor hockey, which is played a lot over here, recreationally.

Floor hockey is already an Olympic sport (if you count the Special Olympics).

Don't forget there's Paralympic sledge hockey to look forward to next month!
Title: Re: Сочи 2014 (Winter Olympics Thread)
Post by: mustang6172 on 14 Mar 2014, 19:02
USA beat Canada in Paralympic sledge hockey semi-finals Thursday.  Suck on that paraplegic Canadians! (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/usa-blanks-canada-3-0-sledge-hockey-semifinals-182604777.html)

Canada will play Norway for the bronze medal.  USA will play Russia for gold.  Both games are on Saturday.