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http://www.businessinsider.com/actor-robin-williams-found-dead-in-his-home-2014-8
We'll miss you Robin...
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I'm in shock. He'll be missed.
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Well, crap.
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I was looking for the old "Rest in Peace" thread to put this in, but yeah, it deserves its own thread.
All I can think of is the movie he did a few years back called "What dreams may come", about a man searching the underworld for his wife after her suicide...
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Everything is terrible. :(
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Robin Williams passed away today. (http://time.com/3101990/robin-williams-dead-63/)
Don't really know what to say.
He was one of my heroes as a kid.
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World seems a lot less funny now.
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I think I want to watch Good Will Hunting. Maybe Dead Poets Society, but probably Good Will Hunting.
Oh, and What Dreams May Come.
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Just... wow.
Couldn't believe it when I heard it. Apparent suicide.
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Because of the readings I have been doing recently on social influence, I'm compelled to encourage any of you who know an older, white man who suffers from depression (particularly one who has struggled with suicidal ideation in the past) to check up on them in whatever way is appropriate. There is a significant increase in suicides within a demographic shortly after a well publicized suicide of someone within the demographic. If you match the description, please be aware that this may be a high risk time for you and reach out to someone for help if you need it.
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Everyone say good bye to the radio star! We're outta here!
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Always leave 'em laughing.
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This is hitting the Boss hard:
I've struggled with alcohol, depression, and self-harm. This Robin Williams thing hits too close to home.
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And, along papersatan's lines:
If you have been thinking about getting help - now is the time. 1-800-273-TALK (8255)
In the words of one of my favorite 80's bands, "Don't Say Suicide."
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Jeph, we know you view the forums sometimes boss man. We love you big guy. I know the bulk of us are random strangers on the internet who over analyze your comic and help provide ad revenue, but we all support you, if you need any help, please, please get it. I'm in the same boat, especially with Williams, he's an idol of mine and always has been... especially because it seemed to me like he'd won... but then... I suppose you don't ever really win do you? You can't out run the monster when you're the monster.
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The first thing that flashed in my mind when I heard (besides sadness) was the scene in The Fisher King, right after his date with Lydia. Can't help but think now that there might've been more of him in that role than he let on.
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My best friend and I had gone out to dinner tonight and she saw this on her FB feed on the way home. We're both pretty sad about it, so we went home and watched some of our favorite stand-up segments of his. Both of us grew up on his movies and basically binged on his stand-up while in college. Basically if I wanted a guaranteed laugh, he was someone I went to. I usually don't feel a lot about celebrity deaths other than shock and mild disbelief, but this one is hitting me pretty hard. Hopefully he's in a more beautiful place.
(https://hartleyworks.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/heaven.png)
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Nanu, nanu, Mork!
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OH CAPTAIN! ...my Captain....
as his widow has said...
the world lost an absolutely beautiful human being today.
it's sad to hear that one man who brought joy and laughter to millions...
was killed by his depression.
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Airman Cronauer, still kicking butt after all those years.
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Hell yes. Still my favorite Robin Williams line "Goooooooooooooooood morning Vietnam!"
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Anyone else feel like they lost a favorite uncle?
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that puts it about right.
right age range, too.
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Till we meet again in the place no shadows fall.
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Robin Williams is one of my favourite actors, I'm not sure if I start writing I'll be able to stop.
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incredibly sad. i remember a recent episode of adam savage's podcast, where he talked about working as an effects tech on bicentennial man; he said that robin was just an incredibly & friendly guy, who be talking to you in regular conversation would just spontaneously break out into an improvised comedy bit as soon as you gave him any kind of lead. he described the experience of standing at the buffet table, suddenly getting a private comedy show from robin williams, & having to cut him off in the middle with "i'm sorry robin, but i have to go to work." as being utterly surreal.
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This speech literally changed the way I think about things. People will have said similar shit to me before, but for whatever reason, I listened to Robin.
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I rewatched that scene last night, Gareth. I love how he takes his time with the speech.
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So... I didn't stop writing http://madcap156.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/rip-robin-williams/
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Bravo, Gareth.
(stands on desk)
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The real Airman Cronauer responds to the death of Robin Williams. I think he has an interesting perspective considering Robin played him.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140812/NEWS/308120055/Five-Questions-Adrian-Cronauer-Robin-Williams?sf29704958=1
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That was beautifully written, Gaz.
one of my favourite Cracked writers hits the nail on the head about it (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/robin-williams-why-funny-people-kill-themselves/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage)
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Gareth, what you wrote was amazing.
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Seconded. :cry:
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incredibly sad. i remember a recent episode of adam savage's podcast, where he talked about working as an effects tech on bicentennial man; he said that robin was just an incredibly & friendly guy, who be talking to you in regular conversation would just spontaneously break out into an improvised comedy bit as soon as you gave him any kind of lead. he described the experience of standing at the buffet table, suddenly getting a private comedy show from robin williams, & having to cut him off in the middle with "i'm sorry robin, but i have to go to work." as being utterly surreal.
A friend of mine who also works in movies says the same thing about Robin on the set of Patch Adams, that he preferred hanging out with the crew when he wasn't needed on set, just hanging out shooting the shit with everybody.
Another friend who has been working his way up the regional stand-up scene has gotten to work the same stage with Robin and hang out with him backstage fairly regularly recalls this story:
When I was a kid my first exposure to stand-up comedy was “Robin Williams Live
at the Met.” I was in awe. How can one man captivate an entire theater the way
he did? I watched it over and over again until I could repeat all of his bits
by heart. I would go to school and get in trouble for repeating his dirtiest
jokes to my stunned classmates and appalled teacher. I still quote those bits
to this day. As time went on I was fortunate enough to meet him, share a stage
with him (including the curtain call with Robin, Bobcat, Nick Aragon, Mark Pitta,
Eric Cash, Matt Kirshen, and myself). On my birthday in 2013, I performed at
the Throckmorton Theater. When I got off stage I found Robin Williams alone
in the green room. I excitedly asked him if he was getting a set in. “No, Mark
(Pitta) told me it was your birthday so I wanted to stop by and wish you well
in person.” That’s the kind of guy he was. I will cherish every memory I ever
have of him. He was such an inspiration to me and countless others. RIP Bossman.
- Johnny Taylor
I'm of an age when Mork and Mindy was THE talk of the schoolground the next day, and his films, stand-up, and appearances on late-night talks shows have always been part of the background noise of my life in a very good way.
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Seconded. :cry:
Thirded.
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That was beautifully written, Gaz.
one of my favourite Cracked writers hits the nail on the head about it (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/robin-williams-why-funny-people-kill-themselves/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage)
That's an interesting article but when it references Slate, who write about some studies done on the subject of the mental health of comedians, they don't actually provide much support for the notion that they're unusually unstable, so there might not be much truth to it. But when questioning the hows and the whys, always remember that depression can hit anyone.
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I just feel... poorer. The whole of the human race, all 7 billion of us, is poorer.
Additionally, I feel robbed. Depression used its plethora of lies to rob us all of an awesome human being.
Sadly, depression robs us of quality people every day.
Just some days ... it happens to be more noticeable.
Robin Williams was a gold-plated, 5 star human being.
YOU are a gold-plated, 5 star human being.
Only difference: he had the luck and the willingness to make more luck... and he is gone.
Don't let depression take YOU from us.
We need You. and You. and You. ....
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Those last few paragraphs brought tears to my eyes, Gareth.
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Thanks guys. The words just kept on coming. I have never been prouder of something I've written.
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http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/08/12/robin-williams-statue-petition/
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I hear that the standing on a desk tribute is popular on twitter.
Here is the whole poem to really understand.
OH Captain. My Captain.
http://youtu.be/J5XRWZtI4lA
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Went in for physical therapy this morning, they were talking about favorite Robin Williams movies.
I let loose with GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! Everyone in the place loved it.
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And as is perhaps inevitable, the usual Twitterists have started trolling Williams' daughter, leading her to close her account.
On a personal note, if there is to be a statue in memorial to Williams, perhaps it would be more befitting that it be a bronze school desk that people can stand on.
Tremendously Sexy/Terribly Sad
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I;m just going to ramble a bit here. Apologies in advance if it doesn't make sense.
If you're asking "Why did Robin Williams kill himself?" you're asking the wrong question. For some of us who are depressed, the question is, "Why NOT kill myself?" When you're in emotional pain every single day and you don't see an end to it, suicide can seem like a way out. Not a good way out, but a way out nonetheless. The struggle then becomes to find a reason, every single day, to go on living. Any reason. And, for a lot of us, it's often other people. For me it's my son - when the demons start whispering in my ear about taking the easy way out, I fight them off by reminding myself about how much my son needs me and how devastated he'd be if I was gone. It's enough. It's always been enough. Fifteen years ago, during a particularly rough stretch, it was actually my cat who kept me going, because I had no idea what would happen to him if I was gone. Again, it was enough - I got through it and found better times.
The problem then becomes the fact that, being human and fallible, you will eventually fail the people who love you and who keep you going. You beat yourself up over it, you tell yourself how useless you are, and begin to think that maybe they would be better off without you. That's the trap. Those are the truly dark times. I don't know if that's the trap that Robin Williams fell into, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Finally, if there's one good thing that's come out of this, it's that we finally seem to be having a conversation about mental health in the United States. Here's hoping people keep paying attention long enough to do something about it.
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I loved his acting.
But his own material was a real eye-opener - he's got such a dirty mouth doing stand-up. His skit on the Bush administration was brilliant, right on the money:
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Robin Williams was an intrinsic part of my childhood. And in middle school, he, through the character of John Keating helped me find the will to survive the most isolating time of my life. At the time, our family had just moved to a new city. I am introverted by nature, and I went from a private elementary with a class of 20 to a public school and a class of 360. The environment was a complete shock and I retreated into my mental bubble so completely it took me nearly three years before I even tried to make a friend there. Williams didn't get me through that, my brother did, but Dead Poet's Society is where I got the courage to face the world again. I met my first lifelong (so far) friend I met shortly after my first viewing. Carpe diem, it's so cliche but it is also true, and Bubbly (we are polar opposites personality-wise) is the kind of person I would have ignored or driven away a few months earlier. I don't think anyone other than Williams could've made me, a teenager lost in my own mind, actually make the effort to pay attention to the world around me.
This is not near eloquent enough. He lived a damn good life, and while I am sad he has gone, I will continue to return to his works when I need inspiration. I was incredibly blessed to share this world with him. I hope he has found his peace.
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I heard this morning that his wife said he had recently been diagnosed with the onset of Parkinson's.
That's not an excuse, of course, but certainly may have been a major factor, triggering a major depressive episode. Depression doesn't mix well with life changes and challenges.
Also heard that the tweet (from Disney, I think?) with the picture of Genie and Aladdin hugging that said "You're free now, genie" has caused a lot of problems.
Suicide is not freedom.
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It's freedom in it's own way. It's not a good choice, but I think we safely say that those who choose to go willingly into the long night don't do it because they aren't in incredible pain, be it from a terminal illness that has left their body ravaged or the kind of life long, crippling struggle Mr. Williams faced with his depression, bi polar (alleged) and various addictions. We can all look and say "Well if he survived all that still smiling...". Throwing something like Parkinson's on top of that, that would rob a man often described as "pure energy" of everything that made him the vital, quick, beloved entertainer that he was... he'd even lose his ability to tell jokes over time.
In that light, perhaps we can be a bit more understanding of Robin's choice to bow and take his curtain call before he could not do so on his own two feet, and smile for the applause that was his due.
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I heard this morning that his wife said he had recently been diagnosed with the onset of Parkinson's.
That's not an excuse, of course, but certainly may have been a major factor, triggering a major depressive episode. Depression doesn't mix well with life changes and challenges.
Also heard that the tweet (from Disney, I think?) with the picture of Genie and Aladdin hugging that said "You're free now, genie" has caused a lot of problems.
Suicide is not freedom.
Freedom from pain? Freedom from an existence which might itself be agony? I think it could be considered so.
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The problem is that it glorifies suicide, and makes it seem like a courageous way to take control of the end of your life, when it really isn't. There's a reason we don't treat suicidal people the way we do people who ask for euthanasia at the end of their life. If someone is suicidal it is because they are mentally ill, and the last thing that person can do is make rational decisions about their own life. Pretending that a suicidal person must have a good reason to want to die is, well, life-threatening.
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I don't think that's fair. It is incredibly courageous to take your own life. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, but the idea that it's the coward's way out is unfair and untrue. It's also extremely insulting to say that mentally ill people can't make rational decisions about their life. You contrast suicide with euthanasia; euthanasia isn't offered, even in places where it is legal, to people who have crippling mental illnesses that no amount of treatment has improved, despite the fact that a mental illness is just as agonising and debilitating as a physical one.
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Suicide is not freedom.
Tell that to Pterry.
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fwiw, ymmv, imho, this conversation just became a bit triggering.
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Agreed, might be worth a mod edit.
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I just created a thread for it in Discuss. http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30058.0.html (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30058.0.html)
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I'm sorry, all I get for Pterry is
a) an animated pterodactyl
2) a nickname for Terry Pratchett, who's works I am unfamiliar with
So what's the relevance here?
Also, about my comment that suicide =/= freedom;
Yes, you're right that it frees you from the situation in which you find yourself. That situation may well be permanent. It may not be. But suicide is. You destroy your ability to make choices in the future by throwing away your future, whatever it may hold. You have no more freedom wiith which to make further choices.
It is also, because of the stigma, a decision that is usually made alone, without any other input from those around you, whether they be loved ones, professionals or even disinterested third parties. This is rarely a good idea, especially for decisions that will affect so much more than just your own life.
Which is why the main advice of talking to someone is the best advice there is.
Sorry for raising such a fuss, but if there's one thing I know from the depths of despair, is that it can get better. It may not, but it can; and if you're not there to work on it, you'll never see the miracle that turns it all around.
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It would be the second meaning. I can't remember the exact words, but Pterry has previously said something to the effect that he wants to kill his Alzheimer's before it can kill him.
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I was referring to Pratchett. And since he got diagnosed with a form of early-onset Alzheimers, he has stated that he plans to take his life before he degenerates too far. In fact, he has made documentaries about both his condition , and assisted dying (one won a BAFTA, IIRC). As of now, he's still fighting, and both donating money and lobbying to get more research for a cure, or at least an effective treatment. He's also been lobbying to make assisted dying legal in the UK, so that he doesn't have to travel to Switzerland when the time comes.
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Thanks, I actually got it when I followed TRVA's link to the other thread. Sorry.
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Hey that's how my great grandpa died!
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Tenuous report that meds he began taking for Parkinsons symptoms may have caused severe depression and suicidal feelings (http://dailydigestnews.com/2014/08/robin-williams-friend-parkinsons-drug-led-to-suicide/).
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http://www.wowhead.com/news=242690/robin-williams-has-an-in-game-genie-npc
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The terrorist inside my husband's brain, by Susan Schneider Williams. (http://www.neurology.org/content/87/13/1308.full)