Whom are you shipping however?
And remember that shipping is forbidden here :mrgreen:
Whom are you shipping however?
And remember that shipping is forbidden here :mrgreen:
Nah, I just need to find my wooden leg.
Post your rampage song suggestions in the comments, maybe we can get Felix to play them all on the radio!I highly doubt that my station is going to be okay with a "Songs To Murder By" theme :psyduck:
MISTER Stagger LeeWell done. I was tempted to follow-up my post with that, but I decided to let someone else do it.
So the only thing I remembered concerning Stagger Lee was "Stackalee" by Chris Barber. I was a little bit confused about why that'd be so bad. Then I looked up Nick Cave's Stagger Lee. Uhm, yes, that's a little bit different :psyduck:Yeah, he does that sometimes. And "Murder Ballads" is exactly what it says on the tin. My personal favourite is "The Curse of Millhaven", especially since I used to tease my ex that it was about her.
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads", obviously.Of those I only know the duet (Where the wild roses grow) with Kylie Minogue. That song is nice, but the story in it left me with a WTF?
How happy she is about it feels like a façade that she's putting up, even to herself, though, so she doesn't break down.
Basically, it's a decent action, but how she's going about it is incredibly unhealthy.
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic? Seriously?
How happy she is about it feels like a façade that she's putting up, even to herself, though, so she doesn't break down.
Basically, it's a decent action, but how she's going about it is incredibly unhealthy.
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic? Seriously?I wouldn't call Dora toxic, she's someone who has not had the easiest path in life and not possessing the best idea of how her actions have consequences and tends to jump before she looks. She's had to deal with a lot of rejection in her life and so it's coloured her view of the world.
Unhealthy because she's basically lying to herself, or because she might be taking it too far?
His latest behaviour is pretty indicative of "abusive jackass" tho. Others were going 'This is out of character for sven!' but now that it's there, it re-contextualizes a LOT of his previous behavior.
Woah, shots fired. Care to elaborate on your thoughts?
Just because someone is family doesn't mean you have to love them or deal with them for the rest of your life.Well, I did deal with my mother until she died, but I didn't love her. The emotion I felt when she died was relief, and the song that kept going through my head after she died was "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead."
I wouldn't call Dora toxic, she's someone who has not had the easiest path in life and not possessing the best idea of how her actions have consequences and tends to jump before she looks. She's had to deal with a lot of rejection in her life and so it's coloured her view of the world.
Sven, on the other hand, is a guy who has always breezed through life, been the "perfect" older sibling to Dora (perfect in the sense that he could do no wrong), writes crap country-music songs but still makes money off them and felt that Faye should have reciprocated when he announced that he loved her, despite the fact that his own actions caused the dissolution of his relationship with Faye and, more importantly, she is now in a relationship with another person. This is probably the first time he's been rejected and he can't actually deal with it. Add onto that his encounters with the other members of the cast (save for Hanners), the guy is a manipulator, a very toxic kind of person.
It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.It should be pointed out, even if it was prompted by him finally standing up to her, she's the one who broke it off with him (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799).
It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.It should be pointed out, even if it was prompted by him finally standing up to her, she's the one who broke it off with him (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799).
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1768
Is her anger really justified anyway? Yeah Sven did wrong her friend, but I'm pretty sure Faye can handle that on her own. He didn't do anything to her directly.
Sure. She has admitted she has a rivalry with her brother, but only because he lives an easy life and she can't stand it. Of the hand full of times they've been shown together in the comic, how many were her threatening to do harm to him? The majority that I can remember. If anyone has been toxic in the brother-sister relationship it's been her. Yeah, he's acted like a scum bag to women, but not to his sister. If anything, she needs to go have a long talk with her dad about how he treats women because her brother does the same.
How long did she fuck with Marten's mind while they were in a relationship? It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her. She threatened Faye into going to therapy and it took Faye doing the same thing to get Dora to do it. Marigold is barely more then spank bank material to her since she acts more like a dirty old man around her then her own girlfriend. Lets face it, Faye is the only one really able to call her on her shit because Faye is the only one that could and would be more violent the Dora, but at least Faye has made an honest attempt (in the comics I've read) to fix her shit. Is Dora even going to therapy anymore?
I admit, it's only a comic character, but Dora is written in such a way that she can't stand it when other people are happy.
Wait, that doesn't make sense! An object in orbit can only be seen at dawn and dusk, otherwise its either in the earth's shadow or is overwhelmed by the sun. Unless it's big and far away like the moon...Yeah, but Hanners's dad is really good at science.
My thoughts exactly. Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
My thoughts exactly. Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.
I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.
Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.
I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.
I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things. When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people. Of course it works both ways; I've never had a sibling get totally angry with me and threaten to cut me out of their life because I did something dumb.
What does Dora have to be so damn insecure about in the first place, when she's already running a solid business of her own and has a steady, loving girlfriend? Has something else been going on that's yet to be revealed in the comic, perhaps? Perhaps the business not doing so well, or her relationship with Tai is rocky, at least something sensible that's not "my brother is kind of an idiot and I feel the need to make everything he does into something that affects me personally somehow"?
I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way. I can't.
The only reason I have an issue with Dora is because she sticks herself into situations she has no business in. And this is one of them. She needs to let Sven and Faye be. She is going to cause a shitstorm that will hit Faye, Angus, Marten, and probably Steve and Cosette will probably get a bit of splatter as well. Faye is going to be pissed at both Sven and Dora. Sven is probably going to do something stupid. And Marten will end up dealing with all of it plus Dora's shit because Tai will be asking him for advice on how to keep her calm.
Is her anger really justified anyway? Yeah Sven did wrong her friend, but I'm pretty sure Faye can handle that on her own. He didn't do anything to her directly.
My thoughts exactly. Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
I still maintain that this is her business because Faye is an integral part of the growth of CoD. Would Dora be able to run it without her? Not effectively. She's already on edge because she has no idea what will happen if Angus gets the job and what this will mean for their relationship. The Sven stuff has the very real possibility of throwing Faye into a tailspin. We all saw Faye tuning Angus out when he was talking strategy for his callback. This could go very bad, very quickly. Faye really liked Sven. It would not surprise me if she had been beginning to fall in love with him. This whole screwed-up romcom junk might stir up a lot of dormant feelings that could make Faye unstable and not only would that be a tragedy for Dora personally to see a friend being shoved into an emotional meltdown due to her brother, but it could have disastrous effects on the business. Suppose because of this Sven shit Faye starts being an ass to Penny? Or Cosette? Or Hannelore, god forbid, or Dale, and one or all of them quits?
And, sorry, but these are adults. Faye is very good about not dealing with any shit she doesn't want to deal with. Marten needs to grow a pair, though I will concede that I don't know why Dora's telling him this, unless she subconsciously wants him to talk her out of it.
So, yes, I can admit that she probably should have kept this to herself, but I'm not onboard with the "this doesn't concern Dora" argument.
Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.
My dad cheated on my mother continuously throughout their marriage. Because of her religious beliefs, she turned a blind eye. When I turned 18, I'd had it. I cut him off and told his parents, my grandparents, I was done with him. I told my mother that she was a grown woman and could do what she pleased, but I was done watching my father act like an asshole. I've not talked to or seen him in 5 years. My mother just left him this year.
By your analysis, I was making it "all about me" because hey, my father didn't do anything to me, so what was my beef? I don't accept that, sorry. Sven is Dora's brother. It's a small town. She has to deal with him. It's likely that because they are both out of the house, when Dora comes over, they extend the invite to Sven, as well. She doesn't want to deal with him. He's proven himself to be a selfish asshole.
Also, this could very well affect Dora's business. Faye is her assistant manager. She was already losing focus because of worrying about the Angus stuff. If Sven presses the issue, it could cause a complete meltdown with Faye, which could adversely affect CoD. So to say that this doesn't affect her because Sven didn't do anything to her doesn't wash with me.Here's the thing though: you're talking about things that COULD happen, not things that have actually happened. Maybe if what you just said went down, I could see Dora being pissed off. But none of it happened, and Faye already disclosed to Marten that although she was annoyed by Sven's behavior, she's resolved to let him "stew in his own juices". I interpret that as meaning that Sven's behavior isn't going to affect Faye's performance at CoD in any significant way.
Maybe this is the disconnect. I don't read "insecure" in this. Dora knows how hurt Faye was by Sven's selfishness in the past. It's very likely that if Faye had not been in therapy at that time, she might have pulled up stakes and left town after that. She is hearing that Sven is disrespecting and disregarding Faye's relationship, which has the possibility of becoming very turbulent if Angus gets the gig, for his own selfish reasons. Can't she be acting this way because she gave Sven the benefit of the doubt with Faye after he fucked the blonde country singer and now he's proven that he hasn't learned a damn thing?
Can't she be acting this way because she gave Sven the benefit of the doubt with Faye after he fucked the blonde country singer and now he's proven that he hasn't learned a damn thing?
Then she is doing a piss poor job of running a company if one employee leaving or starting shit with others, which she does on a near constant basis, will ruin her business. Sara left, Raven left, the business went out without them. Hell, it took Hannelore going over the books and showing Dora she was making money to get Dora to calm down about the business. At this point, if anyone but Hannelore is doing the books for CoD, then the business is fucked.
I think you are reading it wrong that Faye is just now falling for Angus, I think that happened a long time ago.
If Faye liking Sven at one point, which she clearly does not now and she only treated him as a fuck buddy then, screws up her relationship with Angus then that is on them. Angus is a stronger guy then I think Marten ever was. He put up with Faye's shit for the longest time and still kept coming back. He has a chance now to do something he has dreamed of, and I think Faye needs to put on her big girl panties and be happy for him and do what she needs to to see this relationship further if that is what she wants.
Yeah, they are adults and this is some jr high school bullshit. You don't go around announcing to the world why you are doing something, you just fucking do it. If you don't want to be treated like a 14 year old, you don't act like one. Adults do not need to justify their actions, they just do it and deal with the consequences.
I'm honestly half surprised either Marten or Faye are friends with Dora after all the shit she pulled on them.
At least with Faye she was/is/will-always-be fucked up but she admitted it and did something about it. Dora had to be pushed into it and I still don't think she admits she needs to be an adult and accept her ownership of her problems.
I naively went through most of my life believing that my parents divorced because my dad was the asshole and my mom was just a victim of it. Only recently did I start to figure out that ultimately they divorced because they both did some shit wrong and weren't really compatible with each other, and I felt that siding with one over the other or cutting either of them out of my life was pretty pointless. Bad behavior is never excusable, but for me it's really about realizing that sometimes, one person acts shitty to another person who doesn't really deserve it, but most of the time (from what I've seen), two people can act terrible to each other because the person they're with is not really who they're supposed to be with - I speak from experience. And I'm NOT trying to tell you to feel or not to feel a certain way about your father, I'm just letting you know where I come from personally.
Here's the thing though: you're talking about things that COULD happen, not things that have actually happened. Maybe if what you just said went down, I could see Dora being pissed off. But none of it happened, and Faye already disclosed to Marten that although she was annoyed by Sven's behavior, she's resolved to let him "stew in his own juices". I interpret that as meaning that Sven's behavior isn't going to affect Faye's performance at CoD in any significant way.
On the other hand, right now Dora's just being very strange and introducing even more drama. What she's currently doing isn't actually improving the situation for herself or anybody else. Even Marten seemed a little concerned and confused with how she's acting, which is to be expected because he has no idea what she's really talking about. Maybe if she elaborates on it at some point it'll make more sense to people in the comic as well as us readers.
While Dora has a right to be angry with Sven over his actions and how they might affect Faye, avoiding him completely and cutting him out of her life seems like an overreaction.
Is Dora even going to therapy anymore?
Is Dora even going to therapy anymore?
We don't know either way. I wonder if she talked to her therapist before jumping to this conclusion.
The problem I am having is that this is just a more extreme version of the shit she put Marten and Faye through when Dora and Marten were going out. She hasn't learned shit from it. She put Marten through hell, tried to get him to move out on Faye and all because she is insecure. I see this as nothing more then her being insecure and causing another shitstorm because people weren't looking at her. She is going to continue to announce that she wants nothing to do with Sven without talking to Faye until something happens and Faye has to put Dora in her place. I can honestly see Angus being told this by Dora and it causing shit between him and Faye, shit that doesn't need to happen but will because Dora is being a child about this shit. I can honestly only hope that it doesn't fuck up Angus and Faye's relationship because it's probably the closest thing to a healthy relationship either one has been in. And I worry that if Tai gets wind of this, which she will, she will say something to Dora and cause the shitstorm to go to category 2, thus fucking up the most healthy relationship Dora has been in probably ever.
Faye threatened Dora to get her into therapy (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1808).
Creatureshock, have you by any chance had a Dora-like person in your life damaging it?
You hate Dora and you're pretty much misconstruing everything she has done to justify this bizarre rage you have against her.
I'm seriously not sure where you're even getting this from other than an obvious hate-on for Dora. Dora and Marten had been going out upwards of two years. She pointed out that maybe they should take the next step and live together. When Marten balked, she didn't tell him to go fuck himself like I and a lot of other people would have done. She said okay, fine, if Faye's okay with it, and moved in with them and was a good roommate.
And what the fuck? If Dora wanted to tattle to Angus, she could've done all of that by now. What is more likely to happen is Dale overhearing something, telling Marigold, Marigold telling Angus, and it getting out of proportion that way. Or Hanners telling Marigold and it getting back to Angus. But of course that could have been avoided if Faye had just told Angus about it to begin with.
You hate Dora and you're pretty much misconstruing everything she has done to justify this bizarre rage you have against her. So I'll really feel a bit bad for you when and if Dora just goes on about her business just without talking to Sven, and Faye, who lied to her boyfriend and is keeping him in the dark has to deal with her shit - or does Faye get a pass for being not-Dora?
No need to throw words like "bizarre" 'round. We are all people here, with different views and experiences, and I feel words like this tend to devalue the point of view of the other person.
Of course, we let worse slide, but just as a reminder, this forum at least pretends to be a friendly place, so let's be friendly to each other, mkay?
Yeah, she was six shades of passive-aggressive over it. She moved in with them, hit on Faye openly while still wanting him to move out on her. If I remember right, she flipped her shit when she found out someone hit on Marten while they were together and Marten didn't run to her telling her he was sorry. There was a comic about how he couldn't cheat on her because he was so worried about it and she still gave him shit after that.
Those are all likely possibilities. And if anyone is should get the ultimate blame for it, it's Cosette for going to Dora. But, and I still stick to this, Dora is starting a shitstorm and ultimately she doesn't need to. She needs to shut up, stop talking to her brother, and be done with it.
Then you must see yourself in Dora and are doing everything you can to see her as the good person in this. As for for Faye, I don't even know if she has had a chance to talk to Angus over this, but if she hasn't, then Dora and everyone else needs to give her the chance to talk about it. I believe Cosette (or whoever that was that told Dora) needed to keep her mouth shut and not stir the pot. If there is anyone I dislike, it's her. But if Faye doesn't talk to Angus about it, then it's on Faye and she deserves what she gets.
I think I will bow out of this now because one strip at the start of the week really isn't telling us much. You could very well be right and Dora could be heading for meltdown, in which case I'd need her to separate all of this from business matters and to leave Faye out of it and not badger her about why she had to hear it from Cosette and not her. And yes, if she's serious about cutting off Sven, she needs to tell her parents, inform him, and get on with her life.
And Loki's right - I don't have the right to attack you or your opinions and I apologize. You obviously have reasons for feeling as you do, and you've perfect right to those feelings.
The only reason I have an issue with Dora is because she sticks herself into situations she has no business in. And this is one of them. She needs to let Sven and Faye be. She is going to cause a shitstorm that will hit Faye, Angus, Marten, and probably Steve and Cosette will probably get a bit of splatter as well. Faye is going to be pissed at both Sven and Dora. Sven is probably going to do something stupid. And Marten will end up dealing with all of it plus Dora's shit because Tai will be asking him for advice on how to keep her calm.Good analysis. Sven is an idiot, but Dora should not cut him off. Instead, she should try to help him overcome his infantile behavior. The "Svenectomy" she is planning can never end well. I am afraid Dora will cause severe physical damage to Sven (including perhaps castration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration) and penectomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penectomy)), but I rather hope she will come to her senses.
This is not Dora
And this will not end well.
ALL HANDS, RED ALERT!!!
She had an opening to talk about it and decided to lie and jump down Angus's throat when he tried to press the issue
QuoteShe had an opening to talk about it and decided to lie and jump down Angus's throat when he tried to press the issue
I'm honestly not seeing the lie here. Faye just chose not to tell Angus about the whole mess, and good for her.
Imagine that conversation: "Angus, remember my former friends-with-benefits who I kinda had feelings for except he cheated on me? He just told me he loves me, just when I'm already pretty freaked about you possibly moving away."
Come on, what should the guy even do with this? If Faye considers the matter closed - I assume she does, from her talk with Marten - why dump this whole mess on Angus just when he's excited over his dream job?
We don't know either way. I wonder if she talked to her therapist before jumping to this conclusion.
OK, but I'm sure you can see how that applies to your argument, as well? In other words, Dora right now is doing nothing but talking, but you and others have already assumed that it's going to be a problem for Faye, et. al. Why? Tomorrow's comic could have Dora swearing Marten to secrecy with Faye because she wants to handle it. Or she could tell Faye "Hey I heard about Sven, and I know you'll deal with it as you see fit but I've had it with his shit and I'm not dealing with him anymore. Did you show Dale how we grind the coffee beans?"
It bothers me that Dora has made a lot of strides and gets cut no slack, ever. No other character gets this level of vitriol.
It also reminds me of that strip where Penny talks about how when a guy dumps a girl, his default often is "She was crazy!" instead of "I was an asshole and she reacted to that so I'm going to slander her now instead of taking responsibility." Dora made mistakes and is not that person anymore, but it's like people are defaulting to the "She's crazy!" argument.
Also, if someone hurts and manipulates your friends, do you have an obligation to your friends to not have them around?
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads", obviously.
I really fail to see where some of you are getting "shit storm" from this? She decided to cut some on out of her life who is not conducive to her emotional well-being. She's not done anything to stir up shit between Angus and Faye. She is just making a decion to get rid of a emotionally crippling from her life. I don't see this as a reaction to this incident specifically, it is a decision that has been years in the making. Personally, I think it's the rihjtbmove. Biological family doesn't mean anything. She has no obligation to keep him around her just because he is her brother. I say good for her, cut him out if he is, even unintentionally, hampering her mental health.
My thoughts exactly. Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.
I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.
I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things. When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people.
I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way. I can't.
Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.
Shit, they don't spend time together as is. When was the last time they were shown hanging out together? I think that is a failing of both of them and I think they'd get over a lot of their bullshit if they actually just hung out and talked shit over.
I can understand why Dora is making this decision, but I think this is a huge jumping of conclusions that she's taking part in.Also this.
I mean, yes, he basically dumped his emotions (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2744) all over Faye (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745) at what amounts to be a terrible time (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2755), and no decent person would press the point like Sven did. He is an ass for that, and Faye's emotional smackdown is fully justified.
But Dora is reacting on third-hand news, at best (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2770). Her past issues with Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2170) will never heal (hell, does anyone's?), but to completely disregard him without talking to him about it first is a bit much.
If he had tried to pull some sort of emotional manipulation,then he'd be exactly as much of a dick to deserve no mercy, but (thus far, at least) he hasn't. They really need to talk it out and fix their shit.(click to show/hide)
It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.
Good for drama, bad for emotional progress, Good for comics.
You're not obligated to keep someone in your life just because you have blood ties. And sometimes, cutting them out without a word is more effective in the long run (and short term) than trying to talk to them, because sometimes talking to them is counter-productive. It happens. It's a real thing. Your siblings are people, too.
If Dora is just cutting Sven out of her life because this was the final straw and she realized that he was a source of stress and that his behavior had hit the last wall, fine. What concerns me is that Doras behavior seems to be unnerving others, including people that she has been close to for a while (IE Marten). Hence my earlier comment that I'm worried that Dora might be viewing Sven as the source of all or at least many of the problems in her life, and if that is the case then the crash following the happy is going to be an issue unless he somehow truly is the source of all her problems.
It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.I'm not so sure about the first thing. Faye's there. She could just not want to be all "Hey, so Cosette told me that my brother told Steve he wanted you to run away with him and to hell with Angus. Discuss?"
My concern is the belief that somehow Dora orchestrated all of this to get attention focused on her when she's actually not the one who instigated this.
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it. BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse. I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters.
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.
Wow. I'm more impressed with the responses than I am with the comic. Here's my take on it, though:
Wait for it.
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it. BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse. I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters.
Consider yourselves observed, Attenborough-style.
Yes. I thought that was what it was.I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.
It could be that sarcastic euphoria. The "ISN'T THIS GREAT?! I know it isn't, but by golly I'm going to ACT like it is as a giant 'F-YOU' to the person in question!" type of thing.
...Does...does that make sense?
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it. BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.Just so. :wink:
Then again, cutting the guy off completely might be kinda harsh. I mean, some of Sven's actions haven't exactly been smart but he's not a completely abusive jackass or something.Pretty much what I was thinking. In the hierarchy of people to get out of your life, he strikes me as kind of low. He's not really a user. He's usually pretty honest about what he's about. He's not mean-spirited and doesn't have a substance abuse issue. He seems like a pretty strong candidate for 'tough love'. "Sven, I'm your sister and I love you, but this behavior makes me not want to be around you, or acknowledge you as my brother. This is not what love is. Also, Faye could actually murder you and I need her at CoD"
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it. BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse. I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters.I don't know about broom handles, but getting angry and yelling at him is a form of engagement, which might goad him to re-examine and re-evaluate. Breaking off contact precludes the possibility that she can help him move in a more positive direction, albeit with words, kicks, or cartoonish brooms and skillets. What he did is kind of a dopey move, but he's already gotten some suffering for it. I'm not opposed to more, but in my experience isolation does NOT lead to personal growth as well as somebody poking you in the butt and saying "Cut that crap out!"
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it. BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse. I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters.
She is under no obligation to help him stop being a selfish immature brat. Especially at the expense of her own mental health. If she truly believes that having him in her life causes her mental harm, then cutting him off is the right move. Sven is a grown man, it's not his younger sister's job to make him act like one.
Is Sven the cause of all her problems? Of course not, but their relationship is a source of mental and emotional strain for her, even if it is just because of her perception of it. If having him around hampers her health and recovery, then being away from him, even is just temporarily, is a smart move.
Also...why is she telling Marten?
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic? Seriously?
There's been much talk about the undeserved hate Dora can get on this board, but not so much about the undeserved hate Sven seems to get : Let's reorient the discussion towards that. What exactly has Sven done to warrant being called an ass/manipulator/toxic/etc by some people on here? Because the situations I seem to recall Sven being are :
- Sleeping with a bunch of women, but I can't remember seeing much about how the women felt after the "relationship" was over. One may assume he's been using/manipulating, but I don't think we have solid grounds for that.
- He did hurt Faye. But let's remember the context : Faye was basically putting themselves in a "relationship" demanding commitment (or sacrifices) from Sven, but not so much from Faye. People also tend to put aside the fact that the relationship ultimately hurt Sven a lot more than it did Faye.
- Having everything too easy and angering Dora because of it.
- Being generally cool and honest to people, though sometimes having trouble grasping the concepts of other people around him not having it as easy.
- Giving Hanners a good time, and being a gentleman about it.
- Being confused at how Faye had "changed" him.
- Being boldly honest with Faye, though at a very wrong time for her. Then again, context : he's spent most of the time since the Faye relationship thinking about her, unable to find other girls interesting anymore, and being generally unhappy about the way things turned out. It came to him as an epiphany that he really was in love with Faye, and telling her would be the only thing keeping him from self-loathing (plus, blissfully thinking it will work). I don't think he's a friend of Angus, he didn't harass Faye (came clean about his feelings, didn't keep going once she told him to fuck up). As far as I'm concerned, he's mostly been a gentleman there.
So obviously Sven is in my good graces. Care to remind me of the really bad things that he did?
oh and hi I'm new here nice to meet you and all that.
Yeah. This.
Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.
Also...why is she telling Marten?
He is always going to carry himself like the Golden Boy,
throwing tantrums when he doesn't feel he's getting his due. I'd cut him off, too.
Oh jeez Faye is gonna think Marten and Dora are having sketchy ex sex because they won't tell her what they were really talking about and it's gonna be a whole THING and I will have to stop reading the comic for like a week.
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic? Seriously?
Yeah. This.
Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.
Marten will now be forever alone. What does Dora get? She only has to go to therapy. That's it. Even Veronica shows far more compassion to the girl who crushed her only child's heart than she does to her own flesh and blood offspring.Yeah, I never cared for how she (Veronica) treated him either. Not since the first time I saw her when I read the comic all the way through back in 2010.
Dora then proceeds to crush Jim's heart.
While Marten only suffers. Padma left him.She "left him" because she had to move away. She didn't really want to leave. Still, it was a shitty situation and I really sympathize with Marten and wish Padma fucking stayed. She seemed to bring out the absolute best in him.
He was deemed not good enough by the security girl on the space station or Delilah.Well, not everyone is going to be attracted to you. Sucks, but it's true.
And now he's going to sabotage even the remote possibility of Emily.I think it's still unclear at this point if there was even anything there. So far it seems like she was just being her strange self.
Let's not forget that Jeph himself has stated that Any and all chances at happiness for Marten is officially dead.When did he say this? And are you sure he was serious?
Sven only broke ONE heart while Dora has crushed at least two.It's been implied that Sven broke more than one heart, if you count the blonde at the bar that he tried to sucker Marten into distracting way way WAY earlier on in the comic.
And she's just going to cut him out entirely without at least trying to talk to him first? Let's not forget who took her in when she moved out of Marten and Faye's apartment.
Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.
Marten will now be forever alone.
For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"
To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period. When she rightly told him to fuck himself, he doesn't stop to think "Boy, that was shitty" he immediately starts whining that it should have worked.
Also, if someone hurts and manipulates your friends
Good to meet you! I'm newish here, myself.
For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"
To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period.
Also...why is she telling Marten?
Also, Dora broke up with Marten because she knew it was an unhealthy relationship. She didn't break up with because he got mad at her. She recognized that her insecurity was the problem and would probably always be an issue given the circumstances under which it started. The break up was the right thing to do in that situation and it hurt her as much as him.
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?
Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.
He won't do it, and rightfully so : If I am not mistaken, robots, in the QC verse, have rights similar to humans. Sending pintsize to be formatted would be the equivalent of sending people to reformation camps or any other brain-washing organization.
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?
Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?
Well, no, he wasn't, because possibly he was hoping for more, especially since Sam had taken a shine to Faye and was spending more time at CoD. Also, it probably had to hurt that she wasn't ready for something when he asked her but she had sufficiently healed at that point to be with someone.
But that's sort of a moot point now. Jim seems resilient. He and Veronica are well suited. He ain't thinking about Dora now and probably hasn't for a long time.
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date=1409024800"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?
Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.
He won't do it, and rightfully so : If I am not mistaken, robots, in the QC verse, have rights similar to humans. Sending pintsize to be formatted would be the equivalent of sending people to reformation camps or any other brain-washing organization.
They're ROBOTS. Nonliving pieces of inorganic machinery designed and built by humans. They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will. The notion that robots deserve any sort of "civil rights" is patently absurd.
Quote from: sitnspin link=topic=30064.msg1262054#msg1262054
date=1409024800"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?
Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?
Oh boo hoo. The person I went on one date with months ago is dating someone. What kind of screwed up entitled worldview does it take to have that in anyway be her fault?
They're ROBOTS. Nonliving pieces of inorganic machinery designed and built by humans. They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will. The notion that robots deserve any sort of "civil rights" is patently absurd.
Quote from: sitnspin link=topic=30064.msg1262054#msg1262054
date=1409024800"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?
Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?
Oh boo hoo. The person I went on one date with months ago is dating someone. What kind of screwed up entitled worldview does it take to have that in anyway be her fault?
Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes.
Not in the QC universe.
Also the "They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will." Is how slaves were classified.
Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.
Not in the QC universe.
Perhaps not. But it's still retarded.QuoteAlso the "They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will." Is how slaves were classified.
I don't see the two situations as being the least bit similar.
The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.
Or do you actually pay your washing machine?
In what way are you "right on the money"?Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.
No, Im actually right on the money.
And yes, breaking Jim'sa heart IS amoung them.
Excuse me for actually having empathy for the guiy.
The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.
In what way are you "right on the money"?Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.
No, Im actually right on the money.
And yes, breaking Jim'sa heart IS amoung them.
Excuse me for actually having empathy for the guiy.
Yes, we get it, any time a woman doesn't continue to go out with a guy after the first date, she's a heartbreaker.
I can do straw man arguments, too
The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.
Humans are organic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Robots (in QC) are inorganic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Are humans defined only by the fact that they're organic? In fact, what is humanity? Is it bound to the body of the homo genus, or is it something more abstract? If another species evolves so that they think, act, live, reason, love like humans do, would we say they have humanity? What if that species were robots? What if the robot was made of organic parts, and those parts were assembled by humans?
Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes.
The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.
Humans are organic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Robots (in QC) are inorganic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Are humans defined only by the fact that they're organic? In fact, what is humanity? Is it bound to the body of the homo genus, or is it something more abstract? If another species evolves so that they think, act, live, reason, love like humans do, would we say they have humanity? What if that species were robots? What if the robot was made of organic parts, and those parts were assembled by humans?
Oh for God's sake. Assuming mention of him is allowed in here.
Robots are not people. People deserve inalienable rights. Robots do not. Has political correctness disabled ALL rationality these days?
This person has to be a troll. If not, they're so asinine as to be indistinguishable so I would vote for ignoring, for what it's worth.
It would help if you presented a reasoned argument.This person has to be a troll. If not, they're so asinine as to be indistinguishable so I would vote for ignoring, for what it's worth.
Ah. I get it. Having a view that doesn't agree with the majority is trolling now.
I guess the "tolerance" mantra only applies to those who agree with you. Typical.
I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.
In order for there to be a "too", I would have to be doing straw man argument myself. And I'm not. My reasons are valid, yours isn't.
Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.
I just don't read Dora as being someone who would opt to cut someone from her life. I would expect her to confront Sven, then, if that confrontation went badly, decide to cut him out of her life. Just jumping from "my brother did something slightly assholeish!" to "toxic person, out of my life." does not fit with how I've read Dora in the past.
To make this snap decision, of this magnitude, does not seem in charcter for Dora. Sure, she has had snap reactions in the past, but they were over relatively minor things from her perspective (A girl flirted with Marten! or I'll just look at Marten's porn, it's not a big deal) She didn't forsee that her actions would have consequences of magnitude. But when she broke up with Marten she did it with forethought. I see cutting someone out of your life on a magnitude above breaking up with someone. I don't think Dora would put less thought into cutting Sven out of her life than she would put into breaking up with Marten.
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.I understand why some people might see it that way. I don't.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
It is not hypocritical. We have no reason to doubt that he was telling the truth when he said that. It is going against his principles as he previously stated them, but he is openly admitting that he is a changed man.
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
Clearly a person can cut someone out of their life at any time, for any reason, etc. But this is a story being told to us, not real life. For me, Dora's decision lacks the requisite buildup that you would see for a "last straw" moment.
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her.
Has political correctness disabled ALL rationality these days?
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.
Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.
Given that Dora's attitude towards her brother has been much the same throughout the comic as far as I can recall, we can only assume that there is a lot of history that we are unaware of. Or you could assume that there is none, and that Dora is simply a terrible person. Depending on which person you personally prefer to hate. :-D
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.
Idk, I could see Faye beating up Dora for bringing more stress into Faye's life at what is already a stressful time.
Sven was presented as much more socially savvy than he has been recently.
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore. As I said before, her decision is not based on this situation alone
I don't think Jeph writes anyone to be a "terrible person".
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.Faye has no obligation to talk to Sven about anything. They are not together, they are not even friends. She might possibly have to comfort Dora a bit, but I don't see that as an inevitability. By your rationale, then Sven's actions do affect Dora.
Again, if there is some history we are unaware of (the comic has gone into Dora and Sven's childhoods possibly more than any other characters except Hanners) Then this is just bad story telling. For something to suddenly be presented now, with no foreshadowing, is sloppy.
She is using Faye and Sven's situation, which Faye nor Sven have said word one to Dora about, to cut Sven off. Faye might be an ass to people, but she applies it evenly. Everyone gets shit. And once Faye finds this out she is probably going to go thermal on Dora. Faye already threatened to kick the shit out of Dora once, and I can see this bring the breaking point for Faye.
And as an aside, Marten needs to stop being an emotional tampon for the women in his life.
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.
Why would you think this? Faye is not obligated to be anybody's agony aunt, and Dora doesn't even want her to know about it, let along give her guidance about it.
Faye needs to keep her hands to herself. If Dora annoys her, then Faye has every right to quit and find work elsewhere. Threatening to or actually striking someone doesn't solve everything.I know that Faye has gotten far less punch-happy since the comic began (she really does seem to be making progress in therapy), but still for her, and to a lesser extent, Dora, and some other members of the cast (hell, even Momo was ready to zap Emily) seem to look at physical violence from the perspective "well, if it's not working, use more".
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore.
Also: Threats of physical violence amongst friends do not necessitate a willingness to actually use that violence. Hell, they don't even seem to even THREATEN it much anymore. Why is everyone jumping to those conclusions?
Also? Faye needs to keep her hands to herself. If Dora annoys her, then Faye has every right to quit and find work elsewhere. Threatening to or actually striking someone doesn't solve everything. Dora is not making Faye responsible. She would have come into the shop guns blazing telling Faye "OMFG that's it, I'm done with Sven after what he's done to you."
Faye right now is in love with a guy who may get an offer he cannot refuse and leave her, and Faye is still working through her abandonment issues. Sven is aware of Faye's issues. At first I thought maybe he wasn't and then I realized he was because of the advice he gave Dora in going after Marten. Faye has admitted to Dora being unsure and scared about what may happen with her and Angus. And now a guy that she probably had been starting to fall for before he had drunken, mediocre sex with a woman he never saw again, and who devastated Faye with that action, is popping up at this crucial time and telling her he is in love with her and wants to be with her.
After reading through more discussion, I can see how this might affect Dora more in certain ways, perhaps not directly, but seeing a friend in stressful situations can also be stressful for oneself in an empathetic sort of way, and witnessing (however indirectly) somebody being an asshole and making that situation MORE stressful is just plain anger inducing. This still seems like a heat of the moment thing though. It seems like she wants to 'punish' Sven for his actions, but she doesn't want to tell him that she's punishing him. It's not very logical from an objective standpoint, but under a lot of anger and stress, cutting off the SOURCE of that anger and stress might seem logical in that moment.
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
Because its not about Faye, its about Dora and her brother. What good comes of telling Faye about it? Not telling her is an attempt to avoid drama, not cause it. Not saying I agree with that decision, but is not a moral failing and it is not a slight against Faye. Really, it is none of Faye's business.Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
Based on third hand information that was explained to her in short hand. If Dora had come to this after something Sven had done to her or in front of her, I'd be all kinds of ok with it. The fact that she did it this way and is now trying to hide the decision like a cat hiding a turd is what I have a problem with.
Because its not about Faye, its about Dora and her brother. What good comes of telling Faye about it? Not telling her is an attempt to avoid drama, not cause it. Not saying I agree with that decision, but is not a moral failing and it is not a slight against Faye. Really, it is none of Faye's business.Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
Based on third hand information that was explained to her in short hand. If Dora had come to this after something Sven had done to her or in front of her, I'd be all kinds of ok with it. The fact that she did it this way and is now trying to hide the decision like a cat hiding a turd is what I have a problem with.
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.People seldom act in a rational manner. Dora probably has her (possibly quite good) reasons from not wanting to drag Faye into family/personal matters. On the other hand, she *is* head underling at CoD, and may feel like the Dora/Sven problem might have an effect on her work environment. That might be rational, it might not, and Dora might have the best intentions, knowing that Faye is stressed enough as it is. At this point, it is still unknown what impact Dora's decision will have, and how it'll affect the other characters, so aside from speculation, I don't really see the point in (and I'm not aiming at you, just the turn this thread has taken) essentially picking "sides".
This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
Then we will agree to disagree.
We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
Then we will agree to disagree.
I can only say it from my position. Dora is Faye's best female friend (Marten being her best friend over all), and Dora not telling Faye about something this majorly significant action she is taking in her life, based on something that did not happen to Dora but to Faye, will probably piss Faye off. Faye has enough shit on her plate with Angus possibly moving and their relationship, the most healthy relationship she has ever had with someone outside of her family, becoming long distance or possibly forcing her to move (and I can almost guarantee she is thinking of that possibility) to be with the man she loves.
Sheesh.
Mob A: "Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business. Dora has no rational reason to be irrational about it."
Mob B: "Dora cutting Sven out is none of Faye's business. Faye has no rational reason to be irrational about it."
It's like I'm looking at mirror images here, more alike than different. And they can't stop fighting ...
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!
I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore.
The irony is, cutting Sven out of her life wouldn't really help in this regard. It would not stop Sven from say, chasing after Faye again if he so chose, or even coming to the shop and flirting with any of the other barristas.
Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's business unless Dora chooses to share the information.
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!
I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.
This is what I was trying (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30064.msg1262076.html#msg1262076) to say but I think you worded it better.First time poster, here. Hi everyone!
I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.
I'd like to add to this that at the end of his meeting with Faye, Sven seem reluctant to doing it but actually seemed somewhat accepting of her decision (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745), even though he wasn't terribly happy with it. And even though in his meeting with Steve (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2756) he was a little bit bitter and "whiny" about it, he still made no indication that he planned to cross further boundaries.
The only thing Faye truly has to be upset about is the blatant deception the two of them are engaged in, since it sort of implies that at least one of them doesn't believe she will react favourably so they're lying and hiding instead of being honest. The trouble is that Faye is more likely to react badly to the dishonesty than to the original situation and that won't go down easily at all…
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?
Because Marten is also her good friend and is likely to provide a more level-headed response than Faye is.
I also strongly disagree with this idea that people are throwing around that Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business, and Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's. They're not just coworkers - they're also close friends. In that sense, of course something like that would be the business of the other, in the sense that they'd each be concerned about the other's well being. It's not to say that either are obligated to share that information with the other, but let's not pretend that either situation wouldn't have an impact on the other person.
Wow. 24-ish hours gone, three pages of discussion/rant/whatever.Yeah, that. I understand delaying telling a bit may be for the best- she hasn't spoken to Sven or her parents yet, after all- but not telling Faye or letting a third party won't go well.
On comic: Not telling Faye about Dora's decision is probably OK for the moment. Faye has enough on her plate to worry about, and this would probably only compound it.
By the same token, Faye should be informed of this. Preferably from Marten or Dora. Why? Well, Dora is doing this because dumping emotional baggage on someone you love, regardless of whether the feeling is reciprocated, is not cool. I still stand by my belief that Dora is doing the right thing in the worst possible way, but since she is doing it anyway, it should be done properly at least. By telling Faye why she is doing this, Faye can give her thoughts on whether Dora is doing the right thing or not.
Edit: Hearing this from a third person (or worse still, Sven), would be more damaging than anything. Thoughts that spring to mind would be that this is somehow her fault, which would be like taking out key support struts in a mineshaft. Crushing damage included.
Well he also manipulated Marten into lying to an ex-girlfriend when they met. She didn't have a great opinion of him, so there's probably some manipulation or at least lack-of-communication leading to Sven and the women he hooks up with having different ideas of what they want.
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First time poster, here. Hi everyone!
I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.
First time poster here as well.
I don't understand why what Sven's done (right now) is so bad. Dora states..."you know everything Sven's done."
What has he done, to Dora?
Been more popular than her (not his fault)
Been the target for her girlfriends (not his fault)
Slept around (how does that hurt Dora? It's questionable if it even hurts the women in question, depending on whether he's being honest with them)
Gone out with Faye (not a problem)
Cheated on Faye (his fault - and the mistake)
Realised he made a mistake and told Faye he loves her (questionable whether this is even a problem, and nothing to do with Dora).
He also
Acted like a gentleman towards Hannelore
Helped Dora get over Marten
Gave Dora a place to stay when she left Marten
Why does she think he's such a bad guy?
The problem here is that Dora has unrealistic expectations of other people. They have to meet her perceived value of perfect to be ok.
Sven's a more likeable (and less toxic) character IMO....
Not in the QC universe.
Perhaps not. But it's still retarded.
I don't even find the highly-sitcomish hiding-in-the-bathroom arc to be that horrible an indicator of Sven's character. Sure, he was cheating on a girl, but come on, that's a thing that happens. And there was no indication that he and Genevieve were more than a pretty casual hookup.
If one person comes off like a lunatic in that arc, it's Faye. Especially her line "You should apologize to people you've genuinely hurt, like Genevieve"...I feel like Sven's proper response to that would have been "Um, you have no idea what my situation with Genevieve was like. If you want me to feel bad for getting your former Man-Bitch who's now railing my sister involved, fine. But you're in no position to judge what happened with G."
And then she goes along to the hospital just to throw in a few more insults and muttered acrimony. Pretty lame.
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?
Because Marten is also her good friend and is likely to provide a more level-headed response than Faye is.
I also strongly disagree with this idea that people are throwing around that Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business, and Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's. They're not just coworkers - they're also close friends. In that sense, of course something like that would be the business of the other, in the sense that they'd each be concerned about the other's well being. It's not to say that either are obligated to share that information with the other, but let's not pretend that either situation wouldn't have an impact on the other person.
I agree with the second part of your post, but regarding Marten- still, why at CoD, in front of Faye, and then ask for it to be secret? If she's going to keep it a secret (see below), she should have waited for Faye's break or talked to Marten aside or something, although those would have interfered with her fake happy thing.
I don't even find the highly-sitcomish hiding-in-the-bathroom arc to be that horrible an indicator of Sven's character. Sure, he was cheating on a girl, but come on, that's a thing that happens. And there was no indication that he and Genevieve were more than a pretty casual hookup.
Cheating isn't just 'a thing that happens'. It is an active action, to be taken responsibility for. Additionally, you, too, don't know that they WEREN'T more than a casual hookup. You're jumping to just as many conclusions.
If one person comes off like a lunatic in that arc, it's Faye. Especially her line "You should apologize to people you've genuinely hurt, like Genevieve"...I feel like Sven's proper response to that would have been "Um, you have no idea what my situation with Genevieve was like. If you want me to feel bad for getting your former Man-Bitch who's now railing my sister involved, fine. But you're in no position to judge what happened with G."So expecting people to minimize the harm they've evidently done to others is now 'coming off as a lunatic'. Hokay.
And then she goes along to the hospital just to throw in a few more insults and muttered acrimony. Pretty lame.
We had Dorapocalypse. What'll we call this one? Svenageddon(outahere)?RagnaSven?
We had Dorapocalypse. What'll we call this one? Svenageddon(outahere)?RagnaSven?
Svenarok?
GötterdämmeSven?
The Svenoning?
The Bianchianing?
Man, I just can't figure out how to properly format quoted text. I'm sure y'all can see which part is mine and which part is Chelicerate's, but still. Mods, help!
The Sven-d of the World as We Know It.And I feel fine.
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.
One of the most insightful posts in the history of the comic section.
I kind of feel the actions of all involved are understandable, even if I personally disagree with then.
Believe it or not, I think she needs Tai to give her a clue-by-four about how she's "handling" Sven.Yes, but that would make sense, wouldn't it. And it might end up with Tai seeing a side of Dora that she might wish she never saw.
Er...so because she and Marten have drama going on (awkwardness? tension? whatever?) he's somehow a better option to talk about this?
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.
OK, had to look up New Rocks (https://www.google.com/search?q=New+Rocks&client=firefox-a&hs=oOX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tmn9U-DRN_jLsATHzICIDA&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=631).Jennie Breeden wears those boots, IIRC.
...thought for a minute it might be a breakfast cereal or something.
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is. I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."
I get the feeling that not talking to Tai is going to come back and bite someone in the ass.At the library, Tai says to Marten that Dora's been a bit odd over the past couple of days, and Marten says something that gives the game away. Tai then gets caught up in the drama.
I'm cutting him out of my life as entirely as I possibly can!Let us look at the meaning and the implications.
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is. I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."
... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.
I was joking.
Because of the hilariously over the top arguments about Sven that were occurring.
MIEVILLE IS A NASTY BASTARD AND HIS DADDY SAID SO
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.At last! Someone finally gets to the truth and revealed that little fecker for what he truly is!
As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."
Wait, are you Froglord?
As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."
ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Wait, are you Froglord?
As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."
ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Cats are the universe, in that they do what they're going to do and it's up to us to figure out how to interact productively with them or stay out of the way.Precisely. Therein lies their majesty and their appeal.
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is. I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."
... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.
Marten managed to get out 1.5 sentences before being shut down, and only said it was a bit extreme, which isn't really a condemnation as much as it is a description of how intense an action it is to take. I doubt Tai or Faye would say as little if told.
Froglord is the ancient ancestor of Hypnotoad.Wait, are you Froglord?
As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."
ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?Because Faye might not appreciate being handled with kid-gloves, especially in a situation that involves her. Because her ex "fuck-buddy" has now been cut out of his sister's life because Sven told Faye he loved her. Let's not forget that pre-Talk Faye was rather prone to let her fists do the talking, far more than afterwards at least. Old habits are quite easy to slip back into.
Why the fuck should Marten give a fuck if Faye finds out?Probably because he lives with Faye. Probably because Faye is his best friend and Dora is his ex, but still a close friend. Probably because if Faye did find out that Dora, and by extension, Marten were having this conversation, Marten mind end up on a receiving end of a Savannah Slammah.
Jeph, you're really reaching for your drama these days. If you're going to use the hackneyed trope of keeping secrets from each other, you have to at least make it secrets that matter.This isn't reaching for drama, this is typical Dora acting out and making something about her, insinuating herself into the problem of others.* And this isn't the drama, this is quite possibly the spark to the trail of gunpowder leading to the giant bundle of dynamite and other high power explosives.
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?
Why the fuck should Marten give a fuck if Faye finds out?
Jeph, you're really reaching for your drama these days. If you're going to use the hackneyed trope of keeping secrets from each other, you have to at least make it secrets that matter.
Geez, what's up with all the haters on webcomics all of a sudden?
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?Because Faye might not appreciate being handled with kid-gloves, especially in a situation that involves her. Because her ex "fuck-buddy" has now been cut out of his sister's life because Sven told Faye he loved her. Let's not forget that pre-Talk Faye was rather prone to let her fists do the talking, far more than afterwards at least. Old habits are quite easy to slip back into.
My point is, this doesn't involve anyone who's not in their family. At all. In the slightest. If I decided to cut off all relations with my sister it wouldn't affect my relationships with my friends, or her relationships with her friends at all. In fact it would be none of their business.
I mean sure I might want to talk it over with them for advice, get some emotional support. But it wouldn't impact their lives directly. At all. It would be a private family matter. And her exes? They would give even less of a shit.
Now I know Dora is a drama queen who thinks the world revolves around her issues, and Marten is a spineless milksop who treats anything said by a person with boobs with deadly earnestness. But in actuality if Dora stopped talking to her brother it wouldn't impact anyone but their immediate family. None of the core cast even deals with Sven on a regular basis or has him as an integral part of their life.
Hell, when was the last time before this new Faye thing that Dora and Sven even shared a strip together? Months? Years? Have they seemed upset by this? Has anyone noticed at all?
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is. I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."
... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.
Marten managed to get out 1.5 sentences before being shut down, and only said it was a bit extreme, which isn't really a condemnation as much as it is a description of how intense an action it is to take. I doubt Tai or Faye would say as little if told.
Beware Cats bearing gifts?
Beware Cats bearing gifts?
Beware cats bearing GIFs :claireface:
Sadly, my total refusal to deal with such shite has had a negative effect on my employment status lately. By not getting into drama, I basically have ignored most former cow-orkers, and only listened to bosses when they were giving orders. It doesn't do one well when it comes to "networking" (apparently, there's some sort that doesn't require Cat-5 or wireless).
Keeps it true to life, IMHO. Honestly, now: when's the last time you overheard someone's drama* and said, "Well, that's a perfectly rational thing to get irrationally worked up over!"
To the various people arguing about the supposed divine / infernal nature of cats...
Bah! Cat cultists everywhere. You've all been brainwashed by those flagitious felines!
I guess I want to know whether Sven's previous acts that have shown him to not be a completely terrible person were genuine, and that this is just him handling a situation badly because of his own baggage, or whether it's a case of nope, that was an all act, he truly is an irredeemable jerk. I'm kind of hoping it's the former, as I think the latter is sort of an easy way out, and definitely strips some complexity from the character, for the sake of having an antagonist in the current arc.
I think with Sven, he was always pretty much of a douche, if judged by real-world standards, but back in the day, it was treated a bit like Faye's cartoon violence from roughly the same period in QC. Nowadays, Faye doesn't punch people or throw them across the room, Sven comes off like a creep, and Dora's rather reacting the way people might to a family member who isn't very nice.
She's also the one place in my life WITHOUT crazy drama right now. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2778)I'm genuinely confused... I guess I don't remember enough storylines, (or maybe it's the compressed timelines vs real life) to know what all the drama is that Dora's referring to.
* She hired Dale and CoD seems to be doing ok(?).
* This Sven thing kinda came out of nowhere, but sure, for her it's a thing.
Anyone wanna help me remember what else is going on that fits in the "my life is filled with crazy drama" category?
Hey all, I'm new here, just registered to say this:
Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?
Faye pretty much swatted him aside like a normal person and dealt with her feelings in an evening, meanwhile Dora seems insistent on turning this into a drama bomb with herself at the center.
Hey all, I'm new here, just registered to say this:
Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?
I mean, I know Dora is supposed to be kind of a controlling person, but for this entire story-arc she's acting as if Sven's behavior is somehow directed at her. Faye pretty much swatted him aside like a normal person and dealt with her feelings in an evening, meanwhile Dora seems insistent on turning this into a drama bomb with herself at the center.
OK, so I can honestly say how I want this arc to end: With Sven moving away.
Pick another city to move to and go. Portland, Austin, Murfreesboro. Doesn't matter. Move and be done with it. And I want it to just be him getting the news about Dora, doing the two finger kiss, and saying "peace, bitches" and that's it.
Er...so because she and Marten have drama going on (awkwardness? tension? whatever?) he's somehow a better option to talk about this?I just shake my head at how Marten seems to be considered 'safe' for discussions that he really doesn't want to have. (Thinking of Tai here)
In real life, things just happen without necessarily being planned. But in QC, I guess things (mostly) happens for a reason, as part of some long term story line or character development. I am just struggling to understand the purpose of the current arc. Sven is portrayed as way more self-centered and socially inept than before, and Dora's reaction is strange, to say the least.I don't really bother trying to second guess Jeph any more. I usually ask, "What would I do if this were my plot?" but then I remember, "Pintsize would have never occurred to me and would by now have been relegated to the most minor of characters." I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around. It seems pretty apparent that this is supposed to be a bad idea on Dora's part "I don't feel good about this"..."Don't tell Faye.." but how that will manifest itself is unclear. The most logical outcome is that she and Sven become estranged over this, and its one of those family things where two people don't talk without any clear idea why after the first year. But thats not a very explosive plot. She could alienate her parents "What did Sven do?" "He slept with one of my friends, and then a few months later told her he loved her when she had a boyfriend." "..... all that then?" but thats similarly yawntastic. From there its likely we'll have a Dora/Faye or Dora/Tai fireworks display, possibly with somebody mad at Marten because... well, Marten spelled backwards IS Job.
This could be part of Jeph's plan to get rid of Sven (and Angus?) permanently, but I have the feeling this is not the case. There is bound to be some shakeup in the Faye/Marten/Dora department. I guess Tai (and Emily?) will also be involved soon. Veronica and Hanners may be called upon to re-install order.
Has Marten's change of deodorant some deeper significance? Dora is sensitive to odors, and has earlier commented on Tai smelling like Marten (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2221), because Tai (and Faye) borrowed Marten's deodorant (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2218).
Faye's relationship with Sven was a few nights in bed with him, purely physical attraction and any chance of mutual respect and trust blown out of the water by Sven's fling with someone else; Dora has had sibling rivalry and jealousy over Sven getting everything too easily for the whole of her life.
And while she could just be snarky and sarcastic about Sven's latest conquest of some random woman, it's different when he's apparently messing irresponsibly with somebody who's a good friend of hers.
... flagitious felines!
I appreciate the break from the drama. All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!I appreciate the break from the drama. All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around.Please, do not insult the pastafarians (http://www.venganza.org/)!
I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around.Please, do not insult the pastafarians (http://www.venganza.org/)!(click to show/hide)
Isn't that how pastafarians make predictions, by relying on the seemingly random wiggles of their noodly lord?Random input give random output. Ergo, no good for predictions. "Seemingly random" might mean two things:
32. And so it came to pass that the Flying Spaghetti Monster took the rest of the weekend off, and on the Monday He did create another midgit; and He spake unto the midgit saying Thou shalt remember that Friday is a holy day, when thou shalt get up to no mischief, for thou really doesnt want to be on the receiving end of my divine retribution when I have a holy hangover.
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
To be honest, I looked up evil synonyms.... flagitious felines!
You sound like the sort of person who reads the dictionary for fun. (I can respect that.)
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.Chemistry lesson: The wiener (and vagina) sometimes smells like fish. The chemical compound causing this, is trimethylamine. More info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethylaminuria). Occasional fishy smell "down there" is quite common, and can be caused by diet, hormones, or your genetic makeup.
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.Err... no.
I do not know where to start explaining what is wrong with that statement. Either the fact that you called Hannelore a sexist slur; or the fact that, you know, people on this very forum have smelled weiners and that you are thereby indirectly calling them tarts; or the plain simple fact that such knowledge is not limited to people with a great amount of sexual experience. Either way, I suggest you rethink what you are saying.
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
It makes you a little pastry dish?
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
It makes you a little pastry dish?(click to show/hide)
I'm so confused. (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
It makes you a little pastry dish?(click to show/hide)
I'm so confused. (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
Something going on, Hannelore wants to smell yo' dick.Woah, don't be playin' her like a fool, coz that ain't cool.
There are more cat pictures on the internet though.
There are more cat pictures on the internet though.
Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.
Manly? ;)
Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.
Eldritch, squamous cat drawings, probably...
Manly? ;)
Very, very Manly. So Manly that "Manly" is always capitalized.
that was way bigger than I expectedThat's what she said. >:D
Really well played, it actually made me laugh out loud.Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.
The nekonomicon. :claireface:
Manly? ;)
Very, very Manly. So Manly that "Manly" is always capitalized.
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
It makes you a little pastry dish?(click to show/hide)
I'm so confused. (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
Oh man, you're right...it DOES look more like Tai. It actually looks a lot like Tai...
*Rolls for 4+ Armor Save ... hah 5,DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!*hits with choppa*I appreciate the break from the drama. All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
Well, Hannelore, now you know.http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-battle-t-shirt-graphic.png
And knowing is half the battle.
G...I...JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
*Rolls for 4+ Armor Save ... hah 5,DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!*hits with choppa*I appreciate the break from the drama. All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
*E-Fist hums in a gentle tone :D
Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?You may be slightly crazy for hanging out with us, though ;)
Knowledge is power, hide it well.