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Title: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 23 Aug 2014, 02:49
The war starts at midnight, which is why I'm attacking... err, posting now!

Post your rampage song suggestions in the comments, maybe we can get Felix to play them all on the radio!





For bonus points, what obscure film from the early 20th century did I reference with "The war starts at midnight"? Hint: It's one of Martin Scorsese's favorite films.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 23 Aug 2014, 03:33
Hmm. Music to beat somebody up to. Dropkick Murphys?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 23 Aug 2014, 06:40
Alright, but I'm not shipping up to Boston just yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 23 Aug 2014, 07:13
Whom are you shipping however?

And remember that shipping is forbidden here  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 23 Aug 2014, 07:56
Maybe she can go all Guardians and use Hooked on a Feeling as a fight anthem.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 23 Aug 2014, 08:02
Whom are you shipping however?

And remember that shipping is forbidden here  :mrgreen:

Nah, I just need to find my wooden leg.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 23 Aug 2014, 08:22
Maybe it's up by the fields of Athenry? It's probably lonely up there EvilDog, you should go get it.

DKM and Five Finger Death Punch are the top of my "Hahah! Time for gratuitous violence!" playlist with Slayer, all three of which are used as a psychological warfare tool in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a double benefit because it pumps up the soldiers and Marines, and Terry Taliban fucking haaaaaaates metal. Especially Slayer. It's like the perfect bard song IRL, it buffs your guys and debuffs the enemy.

and it's played on one of these:
(http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.69349.1273636709!/image/3662420165.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/3662420165.jpg)

instead of some wimpy lute.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 23 Aug 2014, 08:44
Whom are you shipping however?

And remember that shipping is forbidden here  :mrgreen:

Nah, I just need to find my wooden leg.

Alright then. Just keep in mind that we're all a wicked sensitive crew here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 23 Aug 2014, 13:44
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 23 Aug 2014, 15:09
Post your rampage song suggestions in the comments, maybe we can get Felix to play them all on the radio!
I highly doubt that my station is going to be okay with a "Songs To Murder By" theme  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 23 Aug 2014, 15:31
Death Metal?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 23 Aug 2014, 20:44
Nah.  I'd have to go with Feelin' Groovy for murder.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 23 Aug 2014, 20:53
Depends. If you want to get it over with quickly, the Bouncing Souls' "ECFU" would probably do nicely. If you're taking the scenic route (in a manner of speaking) something like "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" or "Metal Machine Music" might be more apropos.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 24 Aug 2014, 01:43
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads", obviously.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 24 Aug 2014, 01:47
Funnily enough, Murder Ballads as an album features a little too frequently on my show. How they let me get away with Stagger Lee, I'll never know  :psyduck:
#shamelessselfpromotion
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 24 Aug 2014, 01:49
'Cos he's that bad motherfucker called Stagger Lee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 24 Aug 2014, 02:47
"Killed by Death" - Motörhead
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 24 Aug 2014, 04:22
MISTER Stagger Lee
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Aug 2014, 06:26
So the only thing I remembered concerning Stagger Lee was "Stackalee" by Chris Barber. I was a little bit confused about why that'd be so bad. Then I looked up Nick Cave's Stagger Lee. Uhm, yes, that's a little bit different  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 24 Aug 2014, 06:46
MISTER Stagger Lee
Well done.  I was tempted to follow-up my post with that, but I decided to let someone else do it.

So the only thing I remembered concerning Stagger Lee was "Stackalee" by Chris Barber. I was a little bit confused about why that'd be so bad. Then I looked up Nick Cave's Stagger Lee. Uhm, yes, that's a little bit different  :psyduck:
Yeah, he does that sometimes.  And "Murder Ballads" is exactly what it says on the tin.  My personal favourite is "The Curse of Millhaven", especially since I used to tease my ex that it was about her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 24 Aug 2014, 09:49
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp.

I figured it would be you or Hodges IICIH.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Skewbrow on 24 Aug 2014, 10:07
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads", obviously.
Of those I only know the duet (Where the wild roses grow) with Kylie Minogue. That song is nice, but the story in it left me with a WTF?

For something totally different, lest we become too serious,  Always look on the bright side of Death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoaktW-Lu38)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 24 Aug 2014, 10:37
The Night The Lights Went Out in Northampton?

/yeah, I got nothin'
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 24 Aug 2014, 11:21
Dropkick Murphys always makes me feel like such a hipster, not because I knew them before they were popular, but because I grew up with them when they were pretty much only popular with teenage boys within a few hours of Boston, and then The Departed came along, and now the songs everyone always goes to aren't the ones I remember...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 24 Aug 2014, 12:52
Wait a minute!  The Dropkick Murphys have become popular?  Man, I haven't listened to them in like a decade.  Since before their lead singer left to join the Boston Fire Department.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 24 Aug 2014, 18:07
Dooooooom

Okay, I'll just add that the first panel of today's comic reminds me of panel 2 of this one (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2428)...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2014, 18:20
Yakety Sax. Duh.

So, uh...at least she's just forcing herself to be happy because of the shitstorm that's going to come, but...damn. This won't end well. I wonder if she's told Faye yet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 24 Aug 2014, 18:46
I've always thought excommunication was underrated.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 24 Aug 2014, 18:54
in before "Isn't she overreacting?"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2014, 18:56
She might be. Maybe underreacting, I don't know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 24 Aug 2014, 19:00
Just because someone is family doesn't mean you have to love them or deal with them for the rest of your life.

Then again, cutting the guy off completely might be kinda harsh. I mean, some of Sven's actions haven't exactly been smart but he's not a completely abusive jackass or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 24 Aug 2014, 19:05
His latest behaviour is pretty indicative of "abusive jackass" tho. Others were going 'This is out of character for sven!' but now that it's there, it re-contextualizes a LOT of his previous behavior.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 24 Aug 2014, 19:06
Normally I'd say Dora has finally snapped, but she's actually making a huge amount of sense.... :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 24 Aug 2014, 19:16
How happy she is about it feels like a façade that she's putting up, even to herself, though, so she doesn't break down.

Basically, it's a decent action, but how she's going about it is incredibly unhealthy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 19:23
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic?  Seriously?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 24 Aug 2014, 19:25
How happy she is about it feels like a façade that she's putting up, even to herself, though, so she doesn't break down.

Yeah, pretty much.  It's not much unlike when people who share those image macros on social media that say things like "look at all the fucks I give!".  You kind of just know they're trying to convince themselves of the fact.

That said, I can understand WHY you would exaggerate a feeling or "fake it till you make it", especially if the alternative is continuing to feel shitty and un-empowered. 

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Basically, it's a decent action, but how she's going about it is incredibly unhealthy.

Unhealthy because she's basically lying to herself, or because she might be taking it too far?


OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic?  Seriously?

Woah, shots fired.  Care to elaborate on your thoughts?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2014, 19:32
I'm not sure I can disagree outright, but I would also like to hear more.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 24 Aug 2014, 19:34
How happy she is about it feels like a façade that she's putting up, even to herself, though, so she doesn't break down.

Basically, it's a decent action, but how she's going about it is incredibly unhealthy.

Oh yeah, we're just waiting for the other boot to drop now, because while it is healthy to cut out toxic people from your life, it seems like Dora is about to do it in the worst possible way. I mean, from the looks of it, she hasn't spoken to Sven about this and from what I can see, Dora hasn't spoken to her parents about her therapy, let alone her problems with Sven.

Dora might think she's digging herself out of a hole, but my guess is, she's just making it deeper.

OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic?  Seriously?
I wouldn't call Dora toxic, she's someone who has not had the easiest path in life and not possessing the best idea of how her actions have consequences and tends to jump before she looks. She's had to deal with a lot of rejection in her life and so it's coloured her view of the world.
Sven, on the other hand, is a guy who has always breezed through life, been the "perfect" older sibling to Dora (perfect in the sense that he could do no wrong), writes crap country-music songs but still makes money off them and felt that Faye should have reciprocated when he announced that he loved her, despite the fact that his own actions caused the dissolution of his relationship with Faye and, more importantly, she is now in a relationship with another person. This is probably the first time he's been rejected and he can't actually deal with it. Add onto that his encounters with the other members of the cast (save for Hanners), the guy is a manipulator, a very toxic kind of person.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 24 Aug 2014, 19:36
Unhealthy because she's basically lying to herself, or because she might be taking it too far?

Yes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 24 Aug 2014, 19:41
His latest behaviour is pretty indicative of "abusive jackass" tho. Others were going 'This is out of character for sven!' but now that it's there, it re-contextualizes a LOT of his previous behavior.

That's not how I look at it, personally - I just let it stop at "out of character". I mean the guy was talking about reading the situation correctly when taking Hannelore on a "date" and at points in the comic before dating Faye he didn't seem that socially unskilled. It's more like uglier parts of his character have come out ever since some time passed after things with Faye fall out. I don't acknowledge this as part of who Sven normally is, I just see it as him having some kind of nervous breakdown. There WERE moments before Sven and Faye came together that Sven showed some forms of empathy, like giving Dora advice on how to go about pursuing Marten or explaining her history of issues to Marten after their fight over what happened between him and Faye on the couch.

I'm not saying the guy isn't an asshole at times, he definitely has been. But he's also been there for Dora from time to time and I think a complete cutoff in one of his not-too-bright moments is going to come back to hurt her as much as it would hurt Sven for the first moments. Now, a complete bitch-out, I would be 100% in support of.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 19:44
Woah, shots fired.  Care to elaborate on your thoughts?

Sure.  She has admitted she has a rivalry with her brother, but only because he lives an easy life and she can't stand it.  Of the hand full of times they've been shown together in the comic, how many were her threatening to do harm to him?  The majority that I can remember.  If anyone has been toxic in the brother-sister relationship it's been her.  Yeah, he's acted like a scum bag to women, but not to his sister.  If anything, she needs to go have a long talk with her dad about how he treats women because her brother does the same. 

How long did she fuck with Marten's mind while they were in a relationship?  It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.  She threatened Faye into going to therapy and it took Faye doing the same thing to get Dora to do it.  Marigold is barely more then spank bank material to her since she acts more like a dirty old man around her then her own girlfriend.  Lets face it, Faye is the only one really able to call her on her shit because Faye is the only one that could and would be more violent the Dora, but at least Faye has made an honest attempt (in the comics I've read) to fix her shit.  Is Dora even going to therapy anymore? 

I admit, it's only a comic character, but Dora is written in such a way that she can't stand it when other people are happy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 24 Aug 2014, 19:50
Dora snapped! And I have the perfect music for that! http://grooveshark.com/s/24hours+OPEN/4RscZg
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 24 Aug 2014, 19:51
Just because someone is family doesn't mean you have to love them or deal with them for the rest of your life.

Well, I did deal with my mother until she died, but I didn't love her.  The emotion I felt when she died was relief, and the song that kept going through my head after she died was "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead." 

Now for the comic.  Today's comic took a direction I wasn't expecting.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 19:51
I wouldn't call Dora toxic, she's someone who has not had the easiest path in life and not possessing the best idea of how her actions have consequences and tends to jump before she looks. She's had to deal with a lot of rejection in her life and so it's coloured her view of the world.
Sven, on the other hand, is a guy who has always breezed through life, been the "perfect" older sibling to Dora (perfect in the sense that he could do no wrong), writes crap country-music songs but still makes money off them and felt that Faye should have reciprocated when he announced that he loved her, despite the fact that his own actions caused the dissolution of his relationship with Faye and, more importantly, she is now in a relationship with another person. This is probably the first time he's been rejected and he can't actually deal with it. Add onto that his encounters with the other members of the cast (save for Hanners), the guy is a manipulator, a very toxic kind of person.

Sven was clearly the golden child outside the family.  From the few comics that their parents appeared in, neither was treated as a golden child inside the family.  Yeah, things came easy for him, but that doesn't make him toxic.  He has grown as a character, Dora hasn't to me.  And I wouldn't call him a manipulator.  You can't manipulate the willing.  Woman willingly wants to sleep with him, unless he convinces her to do something she would never do, she is willingly a one night stand.  If that is the relationship she is willing to have with him, and he is ok with it, there is no manipulation what so ever.  Hell, he did find a woman he fell in love with, Faye, because she put him in his place and still had sex with him.  He was not used to be a sub and treated like one, and she did.  He liked it, but fucked up the relationship.  Sven _IS_ a fuck up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2014, 19:55
It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.
It should be pointed out, even if it was prompted by him finally standing up to her, she's the one who broke it off with him (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arancaytar on 24 Aug 2014, 20:06
Dora's reaction is appropriate for how he's currently acting; it's just that he's lost several levels in character development:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1747
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1768
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 20:07
It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.
It should be pointed out, even if it was prompted by him finally standing up to her, she's the one who broke it off with him (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799).

Ah, my mistake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 24 Aug 2014, 20:15
I don't think, of all people on the cast, Dora has any right to be calling anyone 'toxic'. At any rate, I would think that Sven is more being an idiot in this case than toxic. Is her anger really justified anyway? Yeah Sven did wrong her friend, but I'm pretty sure Faye can handle that on her own. He didn't do anything to her directly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 24 Aug 2014, 20:16
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1768

Wait, that doesn't make sense!  An object in orbit can only be seen at dawn and dusk, otherwise its either in the earth's shadow or is overwhelmed by the sun.  Unless it's big and far away like the moon...

I wonder what Marten orders in this scenario.  Maybe something decaf to take the edge of the crazy?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 24 Aug 2014, 20:19
Is her anger really justified anyway? Yeah Sven did wrong her friend, but I'm pretty sure Faye can handle that on her own. He didn't do anything to her directly.

My thoughts exactly.  Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 20:20

Sure.  She has admitted she has a rivalry with her brother, but only because he lives an easy life and she can't stand it.  Of the hand full of times they've been shown together in the comic, how many were her threatening to do harm to him?  The majority that I can remember.  If anyone has been toxic in the brother-sister relationship it's been her.  Yeah, he's acted like a scum bag to women, but not to his sister.  If anything, she needs to go have a long talk with her dad about how he treats women because her brother does the same. 

How long did she fuck with Marten's mind while they were in a relationship?  It finally took him having enough of it to break it off with her.  She threatened Faye into going to therapy and it took Faye doing the same thing to get Dora to do it.  Marigold is barely more then spank bank material to her since she acts more like a dirty old man around her then her own girlfriend.  Lets face it, Faye is the only one really able to call her on her shit because Faye is the only one that could and would be more violent the Dora, but at least Faye has made an honest attempt (in the comics I've read) to fix her shit.  Is Dora even going to therapy anymore? 

I admit, it's only a comic character, but Dora is written in such a way that she can't stand it when other people are happy.

I pretty much vehemently disagree with your entire analysis on Dora.

But I'm genuinely puzzled on the bolded. She has found out that her brother, who seriously hurt Faye once before, has now attempted out of whatever selfish, fucked-up reasons, to interpose himself between Faye and Angus. Sven probably doesn't know about the issue with the possibility of long-distance, but he damn sure knows that Faye has been seeing someone for a very long time. Dora, knowing about the precariousness of the situation and about Faye and Sven's history, is understandably pissed.

I think to suggest she's toxic and has stopped her therapy is very short-sighted. And to suggest that she never likes to see anyone happy is just ... weird. She was wrong in much of her relationship with Marten, I'll grant you that. They were ill-suited and she had major emotional problems. It happens. But they are now friends. There is nothing that suggests she is anything but extremely happy with Tai. She has barely mentioned Marigold, and not at all since Marigold started seeing Dale, so not sure what the "spank bank" comments mean.

Sven has swanned around being a major dickhead most of his life and feeling like "Hey, I'm cute, young, and rich so why the fuck not"? Why not ask where his intern, who seemed other than Dora and Faye, to get Sven to see what a shitstain he often was? Why not ask what fucked-upness has taken place in Sven that he not only decides to "win" the girl from her boyfriend, but gets pissed because he thinks he deserved some sort of stupid "The Notebook"-like ending?

Dora is probably realizing that she is getting to a better place, via therapy, her relationship with Tai, the rebuilding of her friendship with Marten, and the continuing success of her business. Now she realizes Sven is probably never going to change. He is always going to carry himself like the Golden Boy, throwing tantrums when he doesn't feel he's getting his due. I'd cut him off, too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Aug 2014, 20:20
Wait, that doesn't make sense!  An object in orbit can only be seen at dawn and dusk, otherwise its either in the earth's shadow or is overwhelmed by the sun.  Unless it's big and far away like the moon...
Yeah, but Hanners's dad is really good at science.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 20:22


My thoughts exactly.  Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.

Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.

I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 24 Aug 2014, 20:42


My thoughts exactly.  Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.

Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.

I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.

I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things.  When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people.  Of course it works both ways; I've never had a sibling get totally angry with me and threaten to cut me out of their life because I did something dumb.

When is the last time Dora and Sven had any serious interaction with each other?  It'd be one thing if he was constantly around her and doing "toxic" things to her and others, but that's not what is going on at all.  Really, they've just been doing their own thing for quite a while now, and been fairly separated.  What does Dora have to be so damn insecure about in the first place, when she's already running a solid business of her own and has a steady, loving girlfriend?  Has something else been going on that's yet to be revealed in the comic, perhaps?  Perhaps the business not doing so well, or her relationship with Tai is rocky, at least something sensible that's not "my brother is kind of an idiot and I feel the need to make everything he does into something that affects me personally somehow"?

I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way.  I can't.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 20:52
Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.

I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.

The only reason I have an issue with Dora is because she sticks herself into situations she has no business in.  And this is one of them.  She needs to let Sven and Faye be.  She is going to cause a shitstorm that will hit Faye, Angus, Marten, and probably Steve and Cosette will probably get a bit of splatter as well.  Faye is going to be pissed at both Sven and Dora.  Sven is probably going to do something stupid.  And Marten will end up dealing with all of it plus Dora's shit because Tai will be asking him for advice on how to keep her calm.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 21:08

I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things.  When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people.  Of course it works both ways; I've never had a sibling get totally angry with me and threaten to cut me out of their life because I did something dumb.

My dad cheated on my mother continuously throughout their marriage. Because of her religious beliefs, she turned a blind eye. When I turned 18, I'd had it. I cut him off and told his parents, my grandparents, I was done with him. I told my mother that she was a grown woman and could do what she pleased, but I was done watching my father act like an asshole. I've not talked to or seen him in 5 years. My mother just left him this year.

By your analysis, I was making it "all about me" because hey, my father didn't do anything to me, so what was my beef? I don't accept that, sorry. Sven is Dora's brother. It's a small town. She has to deal with him. It's likely that because they are both out of the house, when Dora comes over, they extend the invite to Sven, as well. She doesn't want to deal with him. He's proven himself to be a selfish asshole.

Also, this could very well affect Dora's business. Faye is her assistant manager. She was already losing focus because of worrying about the Angus stuff. If Sven presses the issue, it could cause a complete meltdown with Faye, which could adversely affect CoD. So to say that this doesn't affect her because Sven didn't do anything to her doesn't wash with me.

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What does Dora have to be so damn insecure about in the first place, when she's already running a solid business of her own and has a steady, loving girlfriend?  Has something else been going on that's yet to be revealed in the comic, perhaps?  Perhaps the business not doing so well, or her relationship with Tai is rocky, at least something sensible that's not "my brother is kind of an idiot and I feel the need to make everything he does into something that affects me personally somehow"?

I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way.  I can't.

Maybe this is the disconnect. I don't read "insecure" in this. Dora knows how hurt Faye was by Sven's selfishness in the past. It's very likely that if Faye had not been in therapy at that time, she might have pulled up stakes and left town after that. She is hearing that Sven is disrespecting and disregarding Faye's relationship, which has the possibility of becoming very turbulent if Angus gets the gig, for his own selfish reasons. Can't she be acting this way because she gave Sven the benefit of the doubt with Faye after he fucked the blonde country singer and now he's proven that he hasn't learned a damn thing?


The only reason I have an issue with Dora is because she sticks herself into situations she has no business in.  And this is one of them.  She needs to let Sven and Faye be.  She is going to cause a shitstorm that will hit Faye, Angus, Marten, and probably Steve and Cosette will probably get a bit of splatter as well.  Faye is going to be pissed at both Sven and Dora.  Sven is probably going to do something stupid.  And Marten will end up dealing with all of it plus Dora's shit because Tai will be asking him for advice on how to keep her calm.

I still maintain that this is her business because Faye is an integral part of the growth of CoD. Would Dora be able to run it without her? Not effectively. She's already on edge because she has no idea what will happen if Angus gets the job and what this will mean for their relationship. The Sven stuff has the very real possibility of throwing Faye into a tailspin. We all saw Faye tuning Angus out when he was talking strategy for his callback. This could go very bad, very quickly. Faye really liked Sven. It would not surprise me if she had been beginning to fall in love with him. This whole screwed-up romcom junk might stir up a lot of dormant feelings that could make Faye unstable and not only would that be a tragedy for Dora personally to see a friend being shoved into an emotional meltdown due to her brother, but it could have disastrous effects on the business. Suppose because of this Sven shit Faye starts being an ass to Penny? Or Cosette? Or Hannelore, god forbid, or Dale, and one or all of them quits?

And, sorry, but these are adults. Faye is very good about not dealing with any shit she doesn't want to deal with. Marten needs to grow a pair, though I will concede that I don't know why Dora's telling him this, unless she subconsciously wants him to talk her out of it.

So, yes, I can admit that she probably should have kept this to herself, but I'm not onboard with the "this doesn't concern Dora" argument.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 24 Aug 2014, 21:19
Is her anger really justified anyway? Yeah Sven did wrong her friend, but I'm pretty sure Faye can handle that on her own. He didn't do anything to her directly.

My thoughts exactly.  Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.

Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 21:34
I still maintain that this is her business because Faye is an integral part of the growth of CoD. Would Dora be able to run it without her? Not effectively. She's already on edge because she has no idea what will happen if Angus gets the job and what this will mean for their relationship. The Sven stuff has the very real possibility of throwing Faye into a tailspin. We all saw Faye tuning Angus out when he was talking strategy for his callback. This could go very bad, very quickly. Faye really liked Sven. It would not surprise me if she had been beginning to fall in love with him. This whole screwed-up romcom junk might stir up a lot of dormant feelings that could make Faye unstable and not only would that be a tragedy for Dora personally to see a friend being shoved into an emotional meltdown due to her brother, but it could have disastrous effects on the business. Suppose because of this Sven shit Faye starts being an ass to Penny? Or Cosette? Or Hannelore, god forbid, or Dale, and one or all of them quits?

Then she is doing a piss poor job of running a company if one employee leaving or starting shit with others, which she does on a near constant basis, will ruin her business.  Sara left, Raven left, the business went out without them.  Hell, it took Hannelore going over the books and showing Dora she was making money to get Dora to calm down about the business.  At this point, if anyone but Hannelore is doing the books for CoD, then the business is fucked. 

I think you are reading it wrong that Faye is just now falling for Angus, I think that happened a long time ago.  If Faye liking Sven at one point, which she clearly does not now and she only treated him as a fuck buddy then, screws up her relationship with Angus then that is on them.  Angus is a stronger guy then I think Marten ever was.  He put up with Faye's shit for the longest time and still kept coming back.  He has a chance now to do something he has dreamed of, and I think Faye needs to put on her big girl panties and be happy for him and do what she needs to to see this relationship further if that is what she wants. 

And, sorry, but these are adults. Faye is very good about not dealing with any shit she doesn't want to deal with. Marten needs to grow a pair, though I will concede that I don't know why Dora's telling him this, unless she subconsciously wants him to talk her out of it.

So, yes, I can admit that she probably should have kept this to herself, but I'm not onboard with the "this doesn't concern Dora" argument.

Yeah, they are adults and this is some jr high school bullshit.  You don't go around announcing to the world why you are doing something, you just fucking do it.  If you don't want to be treated like a 14 year old, you don't act like one.  Adults do not need to justify their actions, they just do it and deal with the consequences.  Dora is trying to justify what she is doing.  I'm honestly half surprised either Marten or Faye are friends with Dora after all the shit she pulled on them.  At least with Faye she was/is/will-always-be fucked up but she admitted it and did something about it.  Dora had to be pushed into it  and I still don't think she admits she needs to be an adult and accept her ownership of her problems.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sven is a fuck up but he has never, ever purposefully hurt her.  Did her "friends" in school hurt her because they wanted Sven?  Yes, but that's not on Sven.  That's on her "friends".  Not Sven's.  Not Dora's.  Not Marteen's.  Not Faye's. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 21:37
Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.

Shit, they don't spend time together as is.  When was the last time they were shown hanging out together?  I think that is a failing of both of them and I think they'd get over a lot of their bullshit if they actually just hung out and talked shit over.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 24 Aug 2014, 21:49
My dad cheated on my mother continuously throughout their marriage. Because of her religious beliefs, she turned a blind eye. When I turned 18, I'd had it. I cut him off and told his parents, my grandparents, I was done with him. I told my mother that she was a grown woman and could do what she pleased, but I was done watching my father act like an asshole. I've not talked to or seen him in 5 years. My mother just left him this year.

By your analysis, I was making it "all about me" because hey, my father didn't do anything to me, so what was my beef? I don't accept that, sorry. Sven is Dora's brother. It's a small town. She has to deal with him. It's likely that because they are both out of the house, when Dora comes over, they extend the invite to Sven, as well. She doesn't want to deal with him. He's proven himself to be a selfish asshole.

I naively went through most of my life believing that my parents divorced because my dad was the asshole and my mom was just a victim of it.  Only recently did I start to figure out that ultimately they divorced because they both did some shit wrong and weren't really compatible with each other, and I felt that siding with one over the other or cutting either of them out of my life was pretty pointless.  Bad behavior is never excusable, but for me it's really about realizing that sometimes, one person acts shitty to another person who doesn't really deserve it, but most of the time (from what I've seen), two people can act terrible to each other because the person they're with is not really who they're supposed to be with - I speak from experience.  And I'm NOT trying to tell you to feel or not to feel a certain way about your father, I'm just letting you know where I come from personally. 

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Also, this could very well affect Dora's business. Faye is her assistant manager. She was already losing focus because of worrying about the Angus stuff. If Sven presses the issue, it could cause a complete meltdown with Faye, which could adversely affect CoD. So to say that this doesn't affect her because Sven didn't do anything to her doesn't wash with me.
Here's the thing though: you're talking about things that COULD happen, not things that have actually happened.  Maybe if what you just said went down, I could see Dora being pissed off.  But none of it happened, and Faye already disclosed to Marten that although she was annoyed by Sven's behavior, she's resolved to let him "stew in his own juices".  I interpret that as meaning that Sven's behavior isn't going to affect Faye's performance at CoD in any significant way. 

On the other hand, right now Dora's just being very strange and introducing even more drama.  What she's currently doing isn't actually improving the situation for herself or anybody else.  Even Marten seemed a little concerned and confused with how she's acting, which is to be expected because he has no idea what she's really talking about.  Maybe if she elaborates on it at some point it'll make more sense to people in the comic as well as us readers.

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Maybe this is the disconnect. I don't read "insecure" in this. Dora knows how hurt Faye was by Sven's selfishness in the past. It's very likely that if Faye had not been in therapy at that time, she might have pulled up stakes and left town after that. She is hearing that Sven is disrespecting and disregarding Faye's relationship, which has the possibility of becoming very turbulent if Angus gets the gig, for his own selfish reasons. Can't she be acting this way because she gave Sven the benefit of the doubt with Faye after he fucked the blonde country singer and now he's proven that he hasn't learned a damn thing?

Other forumers suggested her behavior is a product of her past with Sven, and it felt like they were suggesting it has to do with her feeling jealous and angry at him for being able to reap so much reward from seemingly so little work.  That's where the 'insecure' bit came from, but maybe it's the wrong word.

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Can't she be acting this way because she gave Sven the benefit of the doubt with Faye after he fucked the blonde country singer and now he's proven that he hasn't learned a damn thing?

She can do whatever she wants.  But my two cents is that Sven is Sven and it isn't his job to "prove himself" to anybody.  Likewise, Dora is free to choose to not associate with him if she truly finds his behavior so appalling, but I hope she realizes it might've been a mistake to expect him to change somehow, as expecting anyone to change is not really something any of us can do.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 24 Aug 2014, 21:55
Yeah we've definitely had little to no Sven and Dora interaction for a while, and unless they have been speaking or spending time together 'off-camera' so to speak, they simply haven't seen much of each other for quite a while. While Dora has a right to be angry with Sven over his actions and how they might affect Faye, avoiding him completely and cutting him out of her life seems like an overreaction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 22:09


Then she is doing a piss poor job of running a company if one employee leaving or starting shit with others, which she does on a near constant basis, will ruin her business.  Sara left, Raven left, the business went out without them.  Hell, it took Hannelore going over the books and showing Dora she was making money to get Dora to calm down about the business.  At this point, if anyone but Hannelore is doing the books for CoD, then the business is fucked.

Neither Sara nor Raven were Dora's assistant manager. Dora was able to loosen the reins in part because of Hanners' discoveries, but she was also cognizant that she was running herself into the ground and opted to delegate. Even fearing that Faye might rub others the wrong way, she bumped her up to A.M. because she was aware that Faye would be the best person for that job. I don't think Penny would be as effective a manager, Hannelore definitely wouldn't, and Cosette, probably not, but who knows. Raven was flaky and Sara is someone people barely remember. Faye would be a loss and a detriment.

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I think you are reading it wrong that Faye is just now falling for Angus, I think that happened a long time ago.

Did I write Angus? I meant Sven. I think Faye was close to falling for Sven during their arrangement which is why she said it would be finito if he slept with someone else and why she took things so hard when they ended.


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If Faye liking Sven at one point, which she clearly does not now and she only treated him as a fuck buddy then, screws up her relationship with Angus then that is on them.  Angus is a stronger guy then I think Marten ever was.  He put up with Faye's shit for the longest time and still kept coming back.  He has a chance now to do something he has dreamed of, and I think Faye needs to put on her big girl panties and be happy for him and do what she needs to to see this relationship further if that is what she wants.

I can't argue with that. I do think that it's a little unfair, though, because Faye for all intents and purposes has been civil to Sven. She didn't ask for him to dump his shit on her. I think it's understandable if she is a little shaken. I would consider the matter closed if not for the comic where she tunes out Angus and jumps down his throat when he senses she's not being completely forthcoming about her day. That seems like foreshadowing of big problems.


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Yeah, they are adults and this is some jr high school bullshit.  You don't go around announcing to the world why you are doing something, you just fucking do it.  If you don't want to be treated like a 14 year old, you don't act like one.  Adults do not need to justify their actions, they just do it and deal with the consequences.

Yeah, not sure why she felt the need to tell Marten. I can understand not telling Faye, but why Marten or anyone? If anything, I think Dora would have been better going to Marten's mom if she had to tell someone, or Tai.

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I'm honestly half surprised either Marten or Faye are friends with Dora after all the shit she pulled on them.

... And you lost me again. Pardon? They're friends with her because Dora is a human being and she's made mistakes. Is being insecure now some sort of capital offense punishable by death of all your friendships and people thinking you're an asshole forever? She wrecked what was a decent thing with Marten. She put strain on her relationship with Faye. What do you want? A hair shirt.

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At least with Faye she was/is/will-always-be fucked up but she admitted it and did something about it.  Dora had to be pushed into it  and I still don't think she admits she needs to be an adult and accept her ownership of her problems.

You're seriously telling me that a woman who is running a successful business in her 20s is not being an "adult"? And pardon, but was Dora frogmarched into a therapist's office? I was under the impression that she went under her own power, is working on things, did not blow a gasket during that rough patch with Tai, and is generally trying to live her life.

I just feel that Dora's never going to do anything "good enough" for a lot of people on this forum. She fucked up. Everyone in this comic has fucked up. But Dora seems to be the only one who gets hit upside the head with mistakes made years ago.



I naively went through most of my life believing that my parents divorced because my dad was the asshole and my mom was just a victim of it.  Only recently did I start to figure out that ultimately they divorced because they both did some shit wrong and weren't really compatible with each other, and I felt that siding with one over the other or cutting either of them out of my life was pretty pointless.  Bad behavior is never excusable, but for me it's really about realizing that sometimes, one person acts shitty to another person who doesn't really deserve it, but most of the time (from what I've seen), two people can act terrible to each other because the person they're with is not really who they're supposed to be with - I speak from experience.  And I'm NOT trying to tell you to feel or not to feel a certain way about your father, I'm just letting you know where I come from personally. 

I hear you, and I agree. I can tell you 100 percent that my father was a manipulative, abusive, dickwad and because of the religion my mother chose to follow, she was his lapdog. But I do agree with you that very rarely in a relationship are both person's hands clean. This is why I was never super upset about the Dora/Marten breakup. They both, at different times, did not very advisable things. Marten, by all accounts, placed Faye above Dora when he insisted Dora move in with him and Faye rather than him moving out with Dora. Dora's insecurities ran rampant. She seems very happy with Tai, so I think Dora has the capacity to be in a relationship with someone if she feels she was that person's "first choice," which has issues of its own.

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Here's the thing though: you're talking about things that COULD happen, not things that have actually happened.  Maybe if what you just said went down, I could see Dora being pissed off.  But none of it happened, and Faye already disclosed to Marten that although she was annoyed by Sven's behavior, she's resolved to let him "stew in his own juices".  I interpret that as meaning that Sven's behavior isn't going to affect Faye's performance at CoD in any significant way.

On the other hand, right now Dora's just being very strange and introducing even more drama.  What she's currently doing isn't actually improving the situation for herself or anybody else.  Even Marten seemed a little concerned and confused with how she's acting, which is to be expected because he has no idea what she's really talking about.  Maybe if she elaborates on it at some point it'll make more sense to people in the comic as well as us readers.

OK, but I'm sure you can see how that applies to your argument, as well? In other words, Dora right now is doing nothing but talking, but you and others have already assumed that it's going to be a problem for Faye, et. al. Why? Tomorrow's comic could have Dora swearing Marten to secrecy with Faye because she wants to handle it. Or she could tell Faye "Hey I heard about Sven, and I know you'll deal with it as you see fit but I've had it with his shit and I'm not dealing with him anymore. Did you show Dale how we grind the coffee beans?"

This whole thing just reminds me of how, when Dora found out Jim told Sam not to tell her he was out on a date, everyone just knew Dora was going to go nuclear on his ass, and what happened was that she gently, but firmly, told him that she didn't appreciate being kept in the dark and to just be upfront with her next time. The end.

It bothers me that Dora has made a lot of strides and gets cut no slack, ever. No other character gets this level of vitriol. It also reminds me of that strip where Penny talks about how when a guy dumps a girl, his default often is "She was crazy!" instead of "I was an asshole and she reacted to that so I'm going to slander her now instead of taking responsibility." Dora made mistakes and is not that person anymore, but it's like people are defaulting to the "She's crazy!" argument.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 24 Aug 2014, 22:17
While Dora has a right to be angry with Sven over his actions and how they might affect Faye, avoiding him completely and cutting him out of her life seems like an overreaction.

Dora is prone to overreacting, though, as we saw all through her relationship with Marten. Looks like Shitstorm Dora is about to make landfall...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Aug 2014, 22:22
Is Dora even going to therapy anymore? 

We don't know either way. I wonder if she talked to her therapist before jumping to this conclusion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 24 Aug 2014, 22:27
"[Sven] was not used to be a sub and treated like one, and she did."

I don't think it was about being a sub, it was about being put in his place: not some golden boy, but a man that regularly acts like an arse. He pushed, she pushed back, he was not used to it. That was something he was not accustomed to and something that gave him a connection with Faye he did not have with other women.

As for Dora, yes, I think she is overreacting. I am just not certain she deserves all the hate she is getting.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 22:41
The problem I am having is that this is just a more extreme version of the shit she put Marten and Faye through when Dora and Marten were going out.  She hasn't learned shit from it.  She put Marten through hell, tried to get him to move out on Faye and all because she is insecure.  I see this as nothing more then her being insecure and causing another shitstorm because people weren't looking at her.  She is going to continue to announce that she wants nothing to do with Sven without talking to Faye until something happens and Faye has to put Dora in her place.  I can honestly see Angus being told this by Dora and it causing shit between him and Faye, shit that doesn't need to happen but will because Dora is being a child about this shit.  I can honestly only hope that it doesn't fuck up Angus and Faye's relationship because it's probably the closest thing to a healthy relationship either one has been in.  And I worry that if Tai gets wind of this, which she will, she will say something to Dora and cause the shitstorm to go to category 2, thus fucking up the most healthy relationship Dora has been in probably ever.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: J on 24 Aug 2014, 22:42
i'm guessing that dora hasn't talked this idea over with dr. cue-ball yet...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 24 Aug 2014, 22:43
So how about Deathbot 9000? That guy is sure a asshole, yo.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 22:45
Is Dora even going to therapy anymore? 

We don't know either way. I wonder if she talked to her therapist before jumping to this conclusion.

Dora strikes me as someone that would take bits and pieces of therapy and make decisions on it because it fits what she wants to begin with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 22:50
The problem I am having is that this is just a more extreme version of the shit she put Marten and Faye through when Dora and Marten were going out.  She hasn't learned shit from it.  She put Marten through hell, tried to get him to move out on Faye and all because she is insecure.  I see this as nothing more then her being insecure and causing another shitstorm because people weren't looking at her.  She is going to continue to announce that she wants nothing to do with Sven without talking to Faye until something happens and Faye has to put Dora in her place.  I can honestly see Angus being told this by Dora and it causing shit between him and Faye, shit that doesn't need to happen but will because Dora is being a child about this shit.  I can honestly only hope that it doesn't fuck up Angus and Faye's relationship because it's probably the closest thing to a healthy relationship either one has been in.  And I worry that if Tai gets wind of this, which she will, she will say something to Dora and cause the shitstorm to go to category 2, thus fucking up the most healthy relationship Dora has been in probably ever.

I'm seriously not sure where you're even getting this from other than an obvious hate-on for Dora. Dora and Marten had been going out upwards of two years. She pointed out that maybe they should take the next step and live together. When Marten balked, she didn't tell him to go fuck himself like I and a lot of other people would have done. She said okay, fine, if Faye's okay with it, and moved in with them and was a good roommate.

And what the fuck? If Dora wanted to tattle to Angus, she could've done all of that by now. What is more likely to happen is Dale overhearing something, telling Marigold, Marigold telling Angus, and it getting out of proportion that way. Or Hanners telling Marigold and it getting back to Angus. But of course that could have been avoided if Faye had just told Angus about it to begin with.

You hate Dora and you're pretty much misconstruing everything she has done to justify this bizarre rage you have against her. So I'll really feel a bit bad for you when and if Dora just goes on about her business just without talking to Sven, and Faye, who lied to her boyfriend and is keeping him in the dark has to deal with her shit - or does Faye get a pass for being not-Dora?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Aug 2014, 22:50
Faye threatened Dora to get her into therapy (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1808).

Creatureshock, have you by any chance had a Dora-like person in your life damaging it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 22:57
Faye threatened Dora to get her into therapy (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1808).

Creatureshock, have you by any chance had a Dora-like person in your life damaging it?

No, but I have seen it happen to others.  And I hate it when I see people not learn from their mistakes, which I think Dora does and I see a bit learning experience coming up for her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 24 Aug 2014, 23:09


You hate Dora and you're pretty much misconstruing everything she has done to justify this bizarre rage you have against her.

No need to throw words like "bizarre" 'round. We are all people here, with different views and experiences, and I feel words like this tend to devalue the point of view of the other person.

Of course, we let worse slide, but just as a reminder, this forum at least pretends to be a friendly place, so let's be friendly to each other, mkay?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 23:18
I'm seriously not sure where you're even getting this from other than an obvious hate-on for Dora. Dora and Marten had been going out upwards of two years. She pointed out that maybe they should take the next step and live together. When Marten balked, she didn't tell him to go fuck himself like I and a lot of other people would have done. She said okay, fine, if Faye's okay with it, and moved in with them and was a good roommate.

Yeah, she was six shades of passive-aggressive over it.  She moved in with them, hit on Faye openly while still wanting him to move out on her.  If I remember right, she flipped her shit when she found out someone hit on Marten while they were together and Marten didn't run to her telling her he was sorry.  There was a comic about how he couldn't cheat on her because he was so worried about it and she still gave him shit after that.

And what the fuck? If Dora wanted to tattle to Angus, she could've done all of that by now. What is more likely to happen is Dale overhearing something, telling Marigold, Marigold telling Angus, and it getting out of proportion that way. Or Hanners telling Marigold and it getting back to Angus. But of course that could have been avoided if Faye had just told Angus about it to begin with.

Those are all likely possibilities.  And if anyone is should get the ultimate blame for it, it's Cosette for going to Dora.  But, and I still stick to this, Dora is starting a shitstorm and ultimately she doesn't need to.  She needs to shut up, stop talking to her brother, and be done with it. 

You hate Dora and you're pretty much misconstruing everything she has done to justify this bizarre rage you have against her. So I'll really feel a bit bad for you when and if Dora just goes on about her business just without talking to Sven, and Faye, who lied to her boyfriend and is keeping him in the dark has to deal with her shit - or does Faye get a pass for being not-Dora?

Then you must see yourself in Dora and are doing everything you can to see her as the good person in this.  As for for Faye, I don't even know if she has had a chance to talk to Angus over this, but if she hasn't, then Dora and everyone else needs to give her the chance to talk about it.  I believe Cosette (or whoever that was that told Dora) needed to keep her mouth shut and not stir the pot.  If there is anyone I dislike, it's her.  But if Faye doesn't talk to Angus about it, then it's on Faye and she deserves what she gets. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 24 Aug 2014, 23:22
No need to throw words like "bizarre" 'round. We are all people here, with different views and experiences, and I feel words like this tend to devalue the point of view of the other person.

Of course, we let worse slide, but just as a reminder, this forum at least pretends to be a friendly place, so let's be friendly to each other, mkay?

No, it's cool.  If bizarre is the worst thing I get called today, I'll have done good.  Hell, I don't even consider bizarre a bad thing, more like a badge to be proud of.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: idontunderstand on 24 Aug 2014, 23:26
Naw, Dora's not a bad person. That whole sibling rivalry business can be a lot tougher than a lost of people realize. Something must have prompted this reaction from her though. Before I see what, I have no opinion on her reaction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 24 Aug 2014, 23:38
This is not Dora

And this will not end well.





ALL HANDS, RED ALERT!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 24 Aug 2014, 23:47

Yeah, she was six shades of passive-aggressive over it.  She moved in with them, hit on Faye openly while still wanting him to move out on her.  If I remember right, she flipped her shit when she found out someone hit on Marten while they were together and Marten didn't run to her telling her he was sorry.  There was a comic about how he couldn't cheat on her because he was so worried about it and she still gave him shit after that.

Yes, that someone was Cosette, who is now Dora's employee. Dora acknowledged she was unreasonable over it, and she was. I hate how she tried to trap Marten. Their relationship was not a great one in many ways. I don't think Dora should have pursued Marten. I think her relationship with Tai is working because Dora needs the security of knowing she was the "first pick."

I genuinely don't remember Dora being passive-aggressive over the living situation. I vaguely remember her being a little like "...OK, you're my boyfriend but you refuse to move out on your platonic friend to live with me? ... Alrighty then." But I thought that they all were getting along.

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Those are all likely possibilities.  And if anyone is should get the ultimate blame for it, it's Cosette for going to Dora.  But, and I still stick to this, Dora is starting a shitstorm and ultimately she doesn't need to.  She needs to shut up, stop talking to her brother, and be done with it.

Agreed on Cosette. The thing is, that we've literally jumped from emergency wine to Cosette telling Dora, to this. We have no idea what has happened in the intervening time. Maybe Dora did talk to her therapist. Hell, maybe she talked to Sven and told him she was done with him and is presenting Martin with a fait accompli.


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Then you must see yourself in Dora and are doing everything you can to see her as the good person in this.  As for for Faye, I don't even know if she has had a chance to talk to Angus over this, but if she hasn't, then Dora and everyone else needs to give her the chance to talk about it.  I believe Cosette (or whoever that was that told Dora) needed to keep her mouth shut and not stir the pot.  If there is anyone I dislike, it's her.  But if Faye doesn't talk to Angus about it, then it's on Faye and she deserves what she gets.

She had an opening to talk about it and decided to lie and jump down Angus's throat when he tried to press the issue (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2755)

I'm not a Dora fan, actually. She sort of lost me when she threatened Faye's job when she thought she caught her and Marten in a "compromising position." I thought that was horrific. Being jealous and petty is one thing, but threatening someone's livelihood over your own insecurities is beyond the pale. I certainly don't see myself in Dora.

But even with characters I don't like, I try to give credit where it's due. She's getting therapy. Ok, she was threatened, but honestly she could have told Faye to hit the bricks. She's in a healthy, happy relationship. She didn't go around trying to sniff out dirt, it came to her. She's trying to run her business, hang with her girlfriend, and be there for her friends. She has at least admitted to her mistakes, unlike Sven, who even after Steve of all people pointed out what a dick he was being, seemed to genuinely not know what the big deal was.

And Loki's right - I don't have the right to attack you or your opinions and I apologize. You obviously have reasons for feeling as you do, and you've  perfect right to those feelings.

I think I will bow out of this now because one strip at the start of the week really isn't telling us much. You could very well be right and Dora could be heading for meltdown, in which case I'd need her to separate all of this from business matters and to leave Faye out of it and not badger her about why she had to hear it from Cosette and not her. And yes, if she's serious about cutting off Sven, she needs to tell her parents, inform him, and get on with her life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 25 Aug 2014, 00:04
I think I will bow out of this now because one strip at the start of the week really isn't telling us much. You could very well be right and Dora could be heading for meltdown, in which case I'd need her to separate all of this from business matters and to leave Faye out of it and not badger her about why she had to hear it from Cosette and not her. And yes, if she's serious about cutting off Sven, she needs to tell her parents, inform him, and get on with her life.

Honestly, I think that is the only thing she needs to do.  Sven has a right to know and to know why, and her parents have a right to know as well.  I think everyone else is just going to cause trouble if they know.

And Loki's right - I don't have the right to attack you or your opinions and I apologize. You obviously have reasons for feeling as you do, and you've  perfect right to those feelings.

Eh?  Bizarre is not an insult.  Not even close, so don't worry about it one bit.  I've worked in IT too long and been called much worse during performance reviews where I got large raises.  I know I'm a shitheaded dipshit with a side of dumbass.  Doesn't  bother me one bit.  And hey, you have your opinions as well, long as we both realize we aren't going to agree, we will be fine.  This universe would be way too boring if everyone has the same opinions.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 25 Aug 2014, 00:26
The only reason I have an issue with Dora is because she sticks herself into situations she has no business in.  And this is one of them.  She needs to let Sven and Faye be.  She is going to cause a shitstorm that will hit Faye, Angus, Marten, and probably Steve and Cosette will probably get a bit of splatter as well.  Faye is going to be pissed at both Sven and Dora.  Sven is probably going to do something stupid.  And Marten will end up dealing with all of it plus Dora's shit because Tai will be asking him for advice on how to keep her calm.
Good analysis. Sven is an idiot, but Dora should not cut him off. Instead, she should try to help him overcome his infantile behavior. The "Svenectomy" she is planning can never end well. I am afraid Dora will cause severe physical damage to Sven (including perhaps castration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration) and penectomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penectomy)), but I rather hope she will come to her senses.

EDIT: The lifeline is perhaps Marten, he may be able to talk some sense into Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blackjoker on 25 Aug 2014, 00:40
I'll throw my jesters hat in the ring and comment that I am concerned about Doras behavior. The reason for that is more that the degree of happy she has now is...odd. I doubt Dora is bipolar, if only because were she still in therapy it would have been noticed by now so the level she is at seems bizarre. Also, saying that Dora is being childish for explaining what she's doing, she isn't going around screaming it, Marten asked, she told him. Issues aside she probably does view him as a close friend. I think Dora does have some issues, and the relationship stuff wasn't good, but ultimately I think that this might be a final straw situation for her, and if it is, fine.

I would also point out that I find the way Svens personality changed...odd to say the least. It seems like a major social regression on his part and it didn't really feel right.

Edit: Ok, I think I better figured out how to phrase my concerns. I am worried that Dora is considering Sven to be the source of her problems, hence the huge level of happy that seems to be unnerving those around her. I could be wrong, and hope I am, but if that is the case...that could be a problem. Especialyl because the crash afterwards will be much harder, and will probably be hardest on Tai and those closest to Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 25 Aug 2014, 00:47
This is not Dora

And this will not end well.





ALL HANDS, RED ALERT!!!


Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 25 Aug 2014, 01:11
The Dora Train fairly often hits Overreaction Junction and gets derailed at Snittsville. She pretty much always gets back on track and learns a little something, usually with friends and therapist helping.

The Sven Express can be a cause of this, but it has also been caused by the Marten Local or the Jim Special when they were running on the same tracks.

I guess what I'm saying is that Dora has a core strength that is often belied by her initial reactions to things.

That said, I wouldn't want to date her and maybe not work for her. She (and her circle of friends)  have had to deal with a lot of BS she herself generates.

Sven's finally found out that he can't be interested only in his own happiness to get what he wants. How does an asshole become less of an asshole? The first step for Sven is to figure out that he needs to put Faye's interests above his own. Dora is in a position to either help or hurt this process... Not sure what actual impact "cutting Sven out of her life" will have.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Roboduck on 25 Aug 2014, 01:15
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She had an opening to talk about it and decided to lie and jump down Angus's throat when he tried to press the issue

I'm honestly not seeing the lie here. Faye just chose not to tell Angus about the whole mess, and good for her.

Imagine that conversation: "Angus, remember my former friends-with-benefits who I kinda had feelings for except he cheated on me? He just told me he loves me, just when I'm already pretty freaked about you possibly moving away."

Come on, what should the guy even do with this? If Faye considers the matter closed - I assume she does, from her talk with Marten - why dump this whole mess on Angus just when he's excited over his dream job?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blackjoker on 25 Aug 2014, 01:25
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She had an opening to talk about it and decided to lie and jump down Angus's throat when he tried to press the issue

I'm honestly not seeing the lie here. Faye just chose not to tell Angus about the whole mess, and good for her.

Imagine that conversation: "Angus, remember my former friends-with-benefits who I kinda had feelings for except he cheated on me? He just told me he loves me, just when I'm already pretty freaked about you possibly moving away."

Come on, what should the guy even do with this? If Faye considers the matter closed - I assume she does, from her talk with Marten - why dump this whole mess on Angus just when he's excited over his dream job?

I kind of have to agree here. At best it might make Angus uneasy about the move because he'd worry about Sven trying something or just that the distance might be an issue for Faye, especially with problems that she has had before. At worst it might make Angus a bundle of nerves or make him irritated and wanting to go yell at Sven or something similar. It might not go anywhere near as bad as either of those, but Faye also might have just needed time to clear her head on things. She even kind of hinted to Marten that she may have some feelings for Sven, not necessarily romantic just that apparently Sven is quite attractive and might have been very good in bed, so that is not a good combination with her issues and with her concerns about the move Angus is making. But she was an adult, she calmed herself down, talked to some friends that weren't likely to explode or cause other problems, and decided to just let Sven stew in his own juices since she explained the position clearly and it was not incumbent on her to do anything else.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 25 Aug 2014, 02:10
I don't like creepy Dora......okay, not goth creepy, just behavior creepy Dora.

We don't know either way. I wonder if she talked to her therapist before jumping to this conclusion.

I think she went cheap and used this:

(http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/files/legacy/Office-Space-Jump-Conclusions.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 03:04
I really fail to see where some of you are getting "shit storm" from this? She decided to cut some on out of her life who is not conducive to her emotional well-being. She's not done anything to stir up shit between Angus and Faye. She is just making a decion to get rid of a emotionally crippling from her life. I don't see this as a reaction to this incident specifically, it is a decision that has been years in the making. Personally, I think it's the rihjtbmove. Biological family doesn't mean anything. She has no obligation to keep him around her just because he is her brother. I say good for her, cut him out if he is, even unintentionally, hampering her mental health.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 25 Aug 2014, 03:26
Dora is more like Sven than she realises. She too lets her feelings build up inside her without taking any steps to release the pressure, and when they are finally catalysed, the reaction blows up in someone's face.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 25 Aug 2014, 05:11
OK, but I'm sure you can see how that applies to your argument, as well? In other words, Dora right now is doing nothing but talking, but you and others have already assumed that it's going to be a problem for Faye, et. al. Why? Tomorrow's comic could have Dora swearing Marten to secrecy with Faye because she wants to handle it. Or she could tell Faye "Hey I heard about Sven, and I know you'll deal with it as you see fit but I've had it with his shit and I'm not dealing with him anymore. Did you show Dale how we grind the coffee beans?"

Good point.  I hope that's all she does, in any event.

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It bothers me that Dora has made a lot of strides and gets cut no slack, ever. No other character gets this level of vitriol.

You sure about that?  Marten gets shit on by this board all the time.  We're only one strip into the week, on page two, and I already saw a couple comments about him needing to "grow a pair", which is interesting because he hasn't even said anything this week to warrant that at all.  People seem to dig up things they hate about characters they don't like whenever they possibly can; we only notice it as much when it's about the character we favor/relate to/sympathize with.

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It also reminds me of that strip where Penny talks about how when a guy dumps a girl, his default often is "She was crazy!" instead of "I was an asshole and she reacted to that so I'm going to slander her now instead of taking responsibility." Dora made mistakes and is not that person anymore, but it's like people are defaulting to the "She's crazy!" argument.

I'm honestly only commenting on it because I disagree with her current behavior.  I've got nothing personal against her character, I just don't really care for the way she's acting right now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 25 Aug 2014, 06:09
Is this what it's going to take for Sven to learn what being a serial asshat actually gets you?  That there are things you can't smooth your way out of?

Also, if someone hurts and manipulates your friends, do you have an obligation to your friends to not have them around?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 25 Aug 2014, 06:12
Also, if someone hurts and manipulates your friends, do you have an obligation to your friends to not have them around?

While this is an interesting question, it doesn't enter into this. As far as I can see, Dora has decided to cut Sven from her life for her *own* sake - whether justifiably so or not.

Anyone want to argue anout Veronica Vance, like in old times? No? Thought so.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 25 Aug 2014, 06:13
I can understand why Dora is making this decision, but I think this is a huge jumping of conclusions that she's taking part in.

I mean, yes, he basically dumped his emotions (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2744) all over Faye (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745) at what amounts to be a terrible time (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2755), and no decent person would press the point like Sven did. He is an ass for that, and Faye's emotional smackdown is fully justified.

But Dora is reacting on third-hand news, at best (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2770). Her past issues with Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2170) will never heal (hell, does anyone's?), but to completely disregard him without talking to him about it first is a bit much.

If he had tried to pull some sort of emotional manipulation,
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then he'd be exactly as much of a dick to deserve no mercy, but (thus far, at least) he hasn't. They really need to talk it out and fix their shit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Aug 2014, 06:18
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads", obviously.

My least favourite Cave album by so far it's not even funny.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 25 Aug 2014, 07:09
I really fail to see where some of you are getting "shit storm" from this? She decided to cut some on out of her life who is not conducive to her emotional well-being. She's not done anything to stir up shit between Angus and Faye. She is just making a decion to get rid of a emotionally crippling from her life. I don't see this as a reaction to this incident specifically, it is a decision that has been years in the making. Personally, I think it's the rihjtbmove. Biological family doesn't mean anything. She has no obligation to keep him around her just because he is her brother. I say good for her, cut him out if he is, even unintentionally, hampering her mental health.

I would presume it's from what we've seen of her past behaviour. Dora is a reactive person with a tendency to never look before she leaps.

Now don't get me wrong, she has the right germ of an idea, cutting a toxic person out of your life is very healthy. But the problem here seems to be that Dora hasn't talked to anyone about it before acting on that information. Bear in mind as well that Dora heard this from Cosette, who heard from Steve, who got stuck talking to Sven. That's hardly direct from the horse's mouth and yet, here we have Dora, essentially going off guns blazing. And you see, that's Dora's problem, she's a very rash and reckless person who reacts at a provocation and that in itself is not very healthy. And it's that behaviour that people are getting the idea of a perfect shitstorm a-coming.

To be honest, I don't think anyone would be saying anything if Dora made an appointment with her therapist to discuss this, or if she even said something to someone, like "I think I've just realised how toxic my brother is and I need to get away from him." But instead, we're seeing this instead.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 25 Aug 2014, 07:34
It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.

Good for drama, bad for emotional progress, Good for comics.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 25 Aug 2014, 08:28


My thoughts exactly.  Dora's just being dramatic and making it all about her, which is extremely annoying.

Er, no. This is her brother, not some stranger on the street who sassed Faye. She's telling her parents precisely because it's not super easy to just cut off a member of your family. She's allowed to have a last straw, too. This could be it.

I'm sort of weirded out by the Dora hate on this board.

I have siblings of my own and sometimes they do stupid things.  When they do stupid things I don't act out about it, I don't get incredibly angry, and I certainly don't make any declarations involving the removal of "toxic people" from my life, when they do kinda-shitty things out of nowhere, to other people.

I don't hate Dora, but I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around why she's acting this way.  I can't.

I can.  I have a younger brother with whom my relationship has always been borderline abusive.  If he did something that could potentially have a toxic effect on one of my friends' lives, it'd probably be the last straw for me, too. 

It's about perspective.  For some people, siblings are family, and you put up with their crap because they're family even when they're dumb because family always sticks together, etc, etc, etc.  It sounds like you might fall into that category.  For other people, those siblings have caused damage beyond repair and you're just keeping them around out of a sense of duty to the family, nevermind the damage they're causing to your life.

You're not obligated to keep someone in your life just because you have blood ties.  And sometimes, cutting them out without a word is more effective in the long run (and short term) than trying to talk to them, because sometimes talking to them is counter-productive.  It happens.  It's a real thing.  Your siblings are people, too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blackjoker on 25 Aug 2014, 08:32
If Dora is just cutting Sven out of her life because this was the final straw and she realized that he was a source of stress and that his behavior had hit the last wall, fine. What concerns me is that Doras behavior seems to be unnerving others, including people that she has been close to for a while (IE Marten). Hence my earlier comment that I'm worried that Dora might be viewing Sven as the source of all or at least many of the problems in her life, and if that is the case then the crash following the happy is going to be an issue unless he somehow truly is the source of all her problems.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Aug 2014, 08:33
Sometimes there are people in your life that you just have to tell to fuck off. Not saying that's the case here, but yeah... I have a half-sister that I haven't talked to in three years, and I'm fine if it lasts for life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 25 Aug 2014, 08:58
Yeah. Cutting toxic people out of your life is good, but what did he do other than have bad judgement with Faye (which Faye can deal with herself, and he just said a stupid thing, it's not something I'd call 'toxic' even to Faye)? I mean, he had an easier life than her, sure, and banged her friends, but those aren't really 'TIME TO DENOUNCE YOU AND CUT YOU OUT' properties. If she doesn't like being around him she doesn't have to, but cutting someone out of your life generally means more than not spending time with.

Shit, they don't spend time together as is.  When was the last time they were shown hanging out together?  I think that is a failing of both of them and I think they'd get over a lot of their bullshit if they actually just hung out and talked shit over.

I don't think anyone answered this so anyway- pretty sure it was when she was living with him because she broke up with Marten and had nowhere to live.

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I'm not sure whether spending time together would fix their issues- my brother and I get along much better now that we only talk/see each other 2-4 times a year- although on the other hand I'm a 'COMMUNICATE DAMMIT' type, so I feel like I should agree with you. Either way, while I think there are many cases where cutting someone out of your life, family or not, is justified, I don't really think this is one based on anything we've seen.

I can understand why Dora is making this decision, but I think this is a huge jumping of conclusions that she's taking part in.

I mean, yes, he basically dumped his emotions (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2744) all over Faye (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745) at what amounts to be a terrible time (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2755), and no decent person would press the point like Sven did. He is an ass for that, and Faye's emotional smackdown is fully justified.

But Dora is reacting on third-hand news, at best (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2770). Her past issues with Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2170) will never heal (hell, does anyone's?), but to completely disregard him without talking to him about it first is a bit much.

If he had tried to pull some sort of emotional manipulation,
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then he'd be exactly as much of a dick to deserve no mercy, but (thus far, at least) he hasn't. They really need to talk it out and fix their shit.
Also this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 25 Aug 2014, 09:24
It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.

Good for drama, bad for emotional progress, Good for comics.

I'm not so sure about the first thing. Faye's there. She could just not want to be all "Hey, so Cosette told me that my brother told Steve he wanted you to run away with him and to hell with Angus. Discuss?" I was almost certain after the strip where we saw Cosette spilling the beans that the next strip was going to have Dora coming over to Marten and Faye's apartment demanding to know what happened. I was relieved that didn't happen. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume Dora's put on a chipper face to not scare the newbie and to keep Faye out of the blowback.

You're not obligated to keep someone in your life just because you have blood ties.  And sometimes, cutting them out without a word is more effective in the long run (and short term) than trying to talk to them, because sometimes talking to them is counter-productive.  It happens.  It's a real thing.  Your siblings are people, too.


Exactly. I'm a bit surprised how the talk on the board was how strange Sven was acting and no one seems to think that perhaps there has been some off-screen stuff Sven has been doing that Dora has been dealing with and this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. If you say there's no evidence of that, cool, but there was no evidence either that Sven was going to profess love to Faye and ask her to dump her boyfriend. And yet ... it happened. My suspicion is that whatever got Sven to Ultimate Douchebag Point has been going on, offscreen, for awhile now. Maybe Dora thought he was handling things and now she finds this out, and she realizes "Okay ... dude is nearly 30. He's not going to change and I'm tired of this."

If Dora is just cutting Sven out of her life because this was the final straw and she realized that he was a source of stress and that his behavior had hit the last wall, fine. What concerns me is that Doras behavior seems to be unnerving others, including people that she has been close to for a while (IE Marten). Hence my earlier comment that I'm worried that Dora might be viewing Sven as the source of all or at least many of the problems in her life, and if that is the case then the crash following the happy is going to be an issue unless he somehow truly is the source of all her problems.

That's fair. If this is something along the lines of Dora hearing about this and deciding "OMG, that's it! My life would be amazeballs without Sven!" then yes, that's not a problem per se because she might, in fact, be right about that, but deciding that on a dime might not be in her best interest.

My concern is the belief that somehow Dora orchestrated all of this to get attention focused on her when she's actually not the one who instigated this. Now, again, all bets are off if she a) Berates Faye for not telling Angus or goads her into telling him or b) Loudly proclaims that she's soverydone with Sven and doesn't actually cut him off and keep it moving. Just like with the Cosette stuff in the beginning - she was wrong to try to trap Marten into a lie, but she isn't the one who instigated getting that intelligence. It just happened, and she dealt badly with it. She didn't routinely interrogate Marten on what coeds might have flirted with him that day. She leaves Sven to his own devices. She wasn't happy about the FWB stuff with Faye but stayed out of it until Sven went over the line and did something hurtful. And even then, Dora should not have hit him and he was right to call her out for that. But she wasn't the one checking up every five minutes on their relationship status. Faye told her what happened and she reacted.

I sort of think Dora would be the most mellow person in the strip if people didn't tell her stuff!  :-D

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 25 Aug 2014, 09:36
I feel like despite any specifics Dora is misattributing, Sven's intent matches up with what Dora perceived that intent to be.

Sven seems like he's still in a good position to become a better person with help, though. I hope she at least takes that chance on him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 25 Aug 2014, 10:54
It's the "I've got a secret" parade followed by smugly talking about it that smells like shitstorm seed crystals to me.
I'm not so sure about the first thing. Faye's there. She could just not want to be all "Hey, so Cosette told me that my brother told Steve he wanted you to run away with him and to hell with Angus. Discuss?"

I think that if that were the case then she would have been embarrassed/shut down about it... not coyly inviting discussion (Am I? How interesting! [...] La La laaaaaa)

My concern is the belief that somehow Dora orchestrated all of this to get attention focused on her when she's actually not the one who instigated this.

I don't think anyone's accusing her of having instigated it, but she's never been shy about using such situations in the past when they come up.

I can forgive an initial overboard reaction (red eyes) but she's definitely responsible for what she chooses to do in public (dancing back to her office while singing like she's the Secret Fairy and announcing this to Marten in that way (panel 1 happy star greeting, presumably in public, followed by exclamation pointed statements of that same secret)).

On a separate note: I think it shows the quality of the comic that these characters seem so real that we can psychoanalyze them even though they all came out of Jeph's head.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 25 Aug 2014, 11:47
Wow.  I'm more impressed with the responses than I am with the comic.  Here's my take on it, though:



Wait for it.



If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.  I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters. 

Consider yourselves observed, Attenborough-style. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 25 Aug 2014, 12:12
Three pages, and it's only Monday. Impressive.

This week, I suspect, will be like watching a car wreck on the highway as it's unfolding in front of you. You'd like to turn away, but you just can't help but watch.



Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 25 Aug 2014, 13:13
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.  I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters. 

I don't know if I'd be as likely to comment on it, but I'd be terrified if that happened. The comic has been continuously moving toward less absurd and less violent (other than hitting Pintsize, and part because Faye's gotten therapy, but I think it's also that as the comic's more realistic, pain-slapstick doesn't fit so much), and that would be too weird and sudden.

Of course, while I might not comment in horror right when it happened, I would if after the next couple strips that got pushed aside instead of the characters treating it as an assault and possibly taking legal action.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Aug 2014, 13:26
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 25 Aug 2014, 13:35
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.

It could be that sarcastic euphoria.  The "ISN'T THIS GREAT?! I know it isn't, but by golly I'm going to ACT like it is as a giant 'F-YOU' to the person in question!" type of thing. 

...Does...does that make sense? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 25 Aug 2014, 13:36
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.

That's a giant warning sign for me that things are going to get worse before they get better. I can't shake the feeling that a lot of the cast are going to get caught up in this and it's going to hurt quite a lot of them in different ways.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 25 Aug 2014, 14:30
Is there some kind of drug that has this effect? The most plausible explanation I con see for Dora's euphoria is that she felt so bad about this that she took something, and it has a greater effect than she expected.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 25 Aug 2014, 14:41
Dora has always been the wicked witch of coffee of doom, and Faye has always been her sassy winged monkey minion. It just worked really well to be mean to customers.

Keep in mind: until Dorothy showed up, the wicked witch was doing just fine. ;)

Note: tongue deeply in cheek. Sven is no Dorothy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 25 Aug 2014, 14:50
Wow.  I'm more impressed with the responses than I am with the comic.  Here's my take on it, though:



Wait for it.



If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.  I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters. 

Consider yourselves observed, Attenborough-style.

I was not entirely behind whatever she was planning on doing ever since the red-eyes panel way back when.  I would not have been "cool" at all with her violently handling a situation that has nothing to do with her at all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 25 Aug 2014, 15:37
I too wonder at Dora's euphoria. As much as I've improved my life by removing certain people from it, it was never a delightful experience at the time.

It could be that sarcastic euphoria.  The "ISN'T THIS GREAT?! I know it isn't, but by golly I'm going to ACT like it is as a giant 'F-YOU' to the person in question!" type of thing. 

...Does...does that make sense?
Yes. I thought that was what it was.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mmeaninglessnamee on 25 Aug 2014, 15:46
Lost in the wave of discussion, I'll agree and comment on what a few people said about Sven; He's lost several levels of character recently. As I've seen people say in discussions well before this current arc, Hanners seems OK with Sven. Whether this means Sven has changed, or that he Hanners couldn't read him doesn't matter much to discuss right now,but Sven isn't acting to the extents of his character.

On a different note, I hope Sven isn't cut off from the rest of the cast, I want to see him around more. (He and Jimbo need to combine their respective bad-song and bad-book skills to make a mutli-media empire.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 25 Aug 2014, 16:25
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.
Just so. :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 25 Aug 2014, 17:10
Does Dora still have Sven's spare key?
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=854 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=854)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: quix0te on 25 Aug 2014, 17:27
Then again, cutting the guy off completely might be kinda harsh. I mean, some of Sven's actions haven't exactly been smart but he's not a completely abusive jackass or something.
Pretty much what I was thinking.  In the hierarchy of people to get out of your life, he strikes me as kind of low.  He's not really a user.  He's usually pretty honest about what he's about.  He's not mean-spirited and doesn't have a substance abuse issue.  He seems like a pretty strong candidate for 'tough love'. "Sven, I'm your sister and I love you, but this behavior makes me not want to be around you, or acknowledge you as my brother.  This is not what love is.  Also, Faye could actually murder you and I need her at CoD"
'Cutting someone out' is usually reserved for people that have established a predatory relationship with you or others.  As presented, he seems rather gormless.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: quix0te on 25 Aug 2014, 17:32
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.  I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters. 
I don't know about broom handles, but getting angry and yelling at him is a form of engagement, which might goad him to re-examine and re-evaluate.  Breaking off contact precludes the possibility that she can help him move in a more positive direction, albeit with words, kicks, or cartoonish brooms and skillets.  What he did is kind of a dopey move, but he's already gotten some suffering for it.  I'm not opposed to more, but in my experience isolation does NOT lead to personal growth as well as somebody poking you in the butt and saying "Cut that crap out!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 17:51
She is under no obligation to help him stop being a selfish immature brat. Especially at the expense of her own mental health. If she truly believes that having him in her life causes her mental harm, then cutting him off is the right move. Sven is a grown man, it's not his younger sister's job to make him act like one.

Is Sven the cause of all her problems? Of course not, but their relationship is a source of mental and emotional strain for her, even if it is just because of her perception of it. If having him around hampers her health and recovery, then being away from him, even is just temporarily, is a smart move.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 25 Aug 2014, 18:02
If Dora had started hitting Sven with a broom handle or something while yelling at him, everyone here would be cool with it.  BUT! because she's instead decided to distance herself from him, avoid the implied ultra-violence most of us were expecting, and just not wade into the shitstorm, about 50% of the readers have decided that she is the Wicked Witch of the Coffeehouse.  I'm more interested in what this tells me about the readers than what this tells me about the characters.

Of course.

One is an act of reciprocation - it serves to balance the scales.  It's almost a friendly gesture, really.

One is an act of destruction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: themacnut on 25 Aug 2014, 18:51
She is under no obligation to help him stop being a selfish immature brat. Especially at the expense of her own mental health. If she truly believes that having him in her life causes her mental harm, then cutting him off is the right move. Sven is a grown man, it's not his younger sister's job to make him act like one.

I'm with sitnspin here - no adult is under any obligation to help another adult "straighten up and fly right", so to speak. It's hard enough doing that with one's own kids! If the other adult's refusal to straighten up causes grave problems in the first adult's life, the first adult is entirely within their rights to distance themselves fron the other adult's problems, no matter the relationship between them.

It's one of the benefits of being an adult that you can choose who you want to associate with. Or not associate with, in this case.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 25 Aug 2014, 19:06
Is Sven the cause of all her problems? Of course not, but their relationship is a source of mental and emotional strain for her, even if it is just because of her perception of it. If having him around hampers her health and recovery, then being away from him, even is just temporarily, is a smart move.

Pretty much. That, AFAIK, is the definition of a toxic relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 19:50
There's been much talk about the undeserved hate Dora can get on this board, but not so much about the undeserved hate Sven seems to get : Let's reorient the discussion towards that. What exactly has Sven done to warrant being called an ass/manipulator/toxic/etc by some people on here? Because the situations I seem to recall Sven being are :

- Sleeping with a bunch of women, but I can't remember seeing much about how the women felt after the "relationship" was over. One may assume he's been using/manipulating, but I don't think we have solid grounds for that.

- He did hurt Faye. But let's remember the context : Faye was basically putting themselves in a "relationship" demanding commitment (or sacrifices) from Sven, but not so much from Faye. People also tend to put aside the fact that the relationship ultimately hurt Sven a lot more than it did Faye.

- Having everything too easy and angering Dora because of it.

- Being generally cool and honest to people, though sometimes having trouble grasping the concepts of other people around him not having it as easy.

- Giving Hanners a good time, and being a gentleman about it.

- Being confused at how Faye had "changed" him.

- Being boldly honest with Faye, though at a very wrong time for her. Then again, context : he's spent most of the time since the Faye relationship thinking about her, unable to find other girls interesting anymore, and being generally unhappy about the way things turned out. It came to him as an epiphany that he really was in love with Faye, and telling her would be the only thing keeping him from self-loathing (plus, blissfully thinking it will work). I don't think he's a friend of Angus, he didn't harass Faye (came clean about his feelings, didn't keep going once she told him to fuck up). As far as I'm concerned, he's mostly been a gentleman there.

So obviously Sven is in my good graces. Care to remind me of the really bad things that he did?




oh and hi I'm new here nice to meet you and all that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Schmorgluck on 25 Aug 2014, 19:56
I think Dora is going too far in the right direction. Which is a convoluted way to miss one's goal.

Both Dora and Sven could probably benefit from some honest confrontation. Which I aknowledge is complicated to set up. But I think it's something Dora should try before deciding to cut bridges. Many (if not all) of her issues are tied to Sven. Her excluding him from her life could only result in Sven possibly growing up - which isn't a bad thing, but what's in it for her? She's running from the core issues that undermine her happiness.

EDIT: And by the new comic (which wasn't up as of the above), Marten seems to be roughly of the same opinion as mine. Which I find unconfortable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ASB84 on 25 Aug 2014, 20:10
The way Dora's acting - overly cheerful, kinda creepily so - suggests that she's not handling the situation well. She's arguably a bit unhinged and overreacting, and I think that's how she's meant to be portrayed, given her expressions and Marten's reactions. The news she's received second/third-hand has stirred up issues she has with her brother, she's pretty much over the whole thing, and wants to wash her hands of him. Drastic, but not completely inappropriate...except that we have seen Sven show signs of not being a complete jerk, as well as offering compassion and support to Dora in the wake of her breakup with Marten.

And to me, that's kind of the issue here: Sven's characterisation. The current arc both intrigues me and bugs me in that regard; it's not completely out of character for him, but in portraying him as an antagonist and the bad guy in the whole situation, it seems like his more redeemable characteristics (and smarts) have been stripped away, his nicer moments glossed over. His current behaviour either casts past events in a new light, or flies in the face of them. I suppose only Jeph really knows for sure, having created the character and all that, but his character development up until now has established him as "kind of a jerk, but a decent enough person deep down".

We've also seen him admit that he's never had a meaningful relationship, and the whole thing with Faye has really messed him up. Granted, in his most recent appearance, he's handled the whole situation very poorly, but it's clear that he has issues himself. I think Dora sometimes gets a bit wrapped up in "look how easy he has it, everything's so hard for me" self-pitying to realise that while Sven has had it easy in some things, he's also got problems of his own. I'm guessing that's what rubs some people the wrong way and makes Dora seem less sympathetic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 25 Aug 2014, 20:14
I might be able to understand why Dora would do this if she even thought to have a discussion with Sven over it, even if it was just a declaration of cutting him out. Why does she have to declare it to Marten and then immediately ask him to keep it secret?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Aug 2014, 20:33
I wouldn't outright tell Faye, but I wouldn't have covered for Dora when Faye asked what the secret was either.

Also...why is she telling Marten?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 25 Aug 2014, 20:35
Oh dear.  Marten and Dora not being up front with Faye may be a bad idea.  Dora probably doesn't want Faye to think the split is her fault.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 25 Aug 2014, 20:38
Also...why is she telling Marten?

"Neutral party" I'm guessing?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mmeaninglessnamee on 25 Aug 2014, 20:40
A positive example of Dora/Sven's relationship that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned yet (unless I missed it) is Sven letting Dora stay at his apartment after she broke up with Marten. They may have both been rather bitchy about it at the time, but Sven in that instance did not hurt Dora or her friends in any way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 20:42
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic?  Seriously?

Yeah. This.

Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.

Marten will now be forever alone. What does Dora get? She only has to go to therapy. That's it. Even Veronica shows far more compassion to the girl who crushed her only child's heart than she does to her own flesh and blood offspring.

Dora then proceeds to crush Jim's heart. And Dora gets rewarded by hooking up with TaiDora isn't only toxic, she's a literal karma houdini. She hardly gets a slap on the wrist karma wise. While Marten only suffers. Padma left him. He was deemed not good enough by the security girl on the space station or Delilah. And now he's going to sabotage even the remote possibility of Emily.

Let's not forget that Jeph himself has stated that  Any and all chances at happiness for Marten is officially dead. Dora? Has a business thriving so well she has to hire more help AND a girlfriend.

Sven may have fucked up a couple times, but Dora is the absolute last person entitled to pass judgement on him. Sven only broke ONE heart while Dora has crushed at least two. And she's just going to cut him out entirely without at least trying to talk to him first? Let's not forget who took her in when she moved out of Marten and Faye's apartment. Hell, she locked him out of his own apartment when he admitted Veronica was hot.

And she says he's the toxic one. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 20:46
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Aug 2014, 20:49
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 25 Aug 2014, 20:52
There's been much talk about the undeserved hate Dora can get on this board, but not so much about the undeserved hate Sven seems to get : Let's reorient the discussion towards that. What exactly has Sven done to warrant being called an ass/manipulator/toxic/etc by some people on here? Because the situations I seem to recall Sven being are :

- Sleeping with a bunch of women, but I can't remember seeing much about how the women felt after the "relationship" was over. One may assume he's been using/manipulating, but I don't think we have solid grounds for that.

- He did hurt Faye. But let's remember the context : Faye was basically putting themselves in a "relationship" demanding commitment (or sacrifices) from Sven, but not so much from Faye. People also tend to put aside the fact that the relationship ultimately hurt Sven a lot more than it did Faye.

- Having everything too easy and angering Dora because of it.

- Being generally cool and honest to people, though sometimes having trouble grasping the concepts of other people around him not having it as easy.

- Giving Hanners a good time, and being a gentleman about it.

- Being confused at how Faye had "changed" him.

- Being boldly honest with Faye, though at a very wrong time for her. Then again, context : he's spent most of the time since the Faye relationship thinking about her, unable to find other girls interesting anymore, and being generally unhappy about the way things turned out. It came to him as an epiphany that he really was in love with Faye, and telling her would be the only thing keeping him from self-loathing (plus, blissfully thinking it will work). I don't think he's a friend of Angus, he didn't harass Faye (came clean about his feelings, didn't keep going once she told him to fuck up). As far as I'm concerned, he's mostly been a gentleman there.

So obviously Sven is in my good graces. Care to remind me of the really bad things that he did?




oh and hi I'm new here nice to meet you and all that.

Good to meet you! I'm newish here, myself.

For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have  a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"

To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period. When she rightly told him to fuck himself, he doesn't stop to think "Boy, that was shitty" he immediately starts whining that it should have worked.

That's shitty, borderline sociopathological shit to me. Sven's been pretty okay in my books to this point. I thought that he was right to call Dora out for striking him during the Faye thing and I really appreciated how he was the caring big brother immediately before and during Dora's breakup with Marten, but the sheer assholishness of his behavior with Faye tears it with me. JMO.

That said, I think Dora's heart is in the right place not wanting Faye to know, but the execution was poor. If she'd wanted to confide in Marten, she probably should have gone to the library, though that would have meant running into Tai, probably. But doing this at the shop was a bad move.


Yeah. This.

Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.

That's pretty literally not true. Remember Padma? Or was that Dora's fault somehow too?

Also, it was one date and she pretty much told Jim the score at the end of said date. Jim literally started dating other people before Dora got together with Tai, so I doubt Jim was very "crushed."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 25 Aug 2014, 20:54
Also...why is she telling Marten?

I presume due to the fact that they did have a relationship and (according to Sven) the first decent guy Dora went out with. Yeah, they've broken up, but they still have a somewhat solid friendship, enough for her to talk to Marten about this. Outside of Faye, Marten would probably have experienced more of Sven's behaviour than anyone else in the cast.

Least, that's my €0.02.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: A_S00 on 25 Aug 2014, 20:55
Oh jeez Faye is gonna think Marten and Dora are having sketchy ex sex because they won't tell her what they were really talking about and it's gonna be a whole THING and I will have to stop reading the comic for like a week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 20:59
He is always going to carry himself like the Golden Boy,

I don't recall him ever bragging making a point about his good fortune.

Quote
throwing tantrums when he doesn't feel he's getting his due. I'd cut him off, too.

Really now? Tantrums? He mentioned he'd never forgive not getting the USS Flagg Aircraft carrier. That's about as big of an emotional outburst at not getting what he wants as I've seen him have. At most he simply wonders why things don't fall neatly into his lap.

Clueless? Sure. Incapable of reading a situation correctly? Fair enough. But tantrums? I realize there's a sizeable  portion of the forum that has it in for the guy and will never, ever give him a break.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 21:00
Also, Dora broke up with Marten because she knew it was an unhealthy relationship. She didn't break up with because he got mad at her. She recognized that her insecurity was the problem and would probably always be an issue given the circumstances under which it started. The break up was the right thing to do in that situation and it hurt her as much as him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 25 Aug 2014, 21:01
Oh jeez Faye is gonna think Marten and Dora are having sketchy ex sex because they won't tell her what they were really talking about and it's gonna be a whole THING and I will have to stop reading the comic for like a week.

I'd be surprised if it went that route. Dora's not been shown to be a cheater and I can't think Faye would really believe that she or Marten would do that to Tai. I think what is more likely to happen is Cosette will come in like "I can't BELIEVE that asshole said that to you," Faye will figure out that Dora knows and that whatever she and Marten were talking about has to do with that, and there will be some sort of argument, etc.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 21:07
I think what you are missing, Valyard, is that it doesn't matter if Sven is a horrible person or toxic in general. All that matters for this decision is that Dora feels Sven is toxic for her personally. This is true for anyone. Having a particular person in your life might be detrimental to your well-being while not being so for other people.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 25 Aug 2014, 21:11
OK, registered just to post this: The most toxic person in the comic is calling someone else toxic?  Seriously?

Yeah. This.

Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.

Besides Padma apparently, and what's her face from college.  I agree though, that breakup was pretty shitty.  Marten isn't exactly clean with that, though.

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Marten will now be forever alone. What does Dora get? She only has to go to therapy. That's it. Even Veronica shows far more compassion to the girl who crushed her only child's heart than she does to her own flesh and blood offspring.
Yeah, I never cared for how she (Veronica) treated him either.  Not since the first time I saw her when I read the comic all the way through back in 2010.

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Dora then proceeds to crush Jim's heart.

Huh?  They went on one date.  It was completely amicable.

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While Marten only suffers. Padma left him.
She "left him" because she had to move away.   She didn't really want to leave.  Still, it was a shitty situation and I really sympathize with Marten and wish Padma fucking stayed.  She seemed to bring out the absolute best in him.

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He was deemed not good enough by the security girl on the space station or Delilah.
Well, not everyone is going to be attracted to you.  Sucks, but it's true.

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And now he's going to sabotage even the remote possibility of Emily.
I think it's still unclear at this point if there was even anything there.  So far it seems like she was just being her strange self.

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Let's not forget that Jeph himself has stated that  Any and all chances at happiness for Marten is officially dead.
When did he say this?  And are you sure he was serious?



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Sven only broke ONE heart while Dora has crushed at least two.
It's been implied that Sven broke more than one heart, if you count the blonde at the bar that he tried to sucker Marten into distracting way way WAY earlier on in the comic.

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And she's just going to cut him out entirely without at least trying to talk to him first? Let's not forget who took her in when she moved out of Marten and Faye's apartment.

Yeah, that along with the comment she made to Faye that went to the effect of "basically, do the opposite of whatever Marten is doing" both kinda pissed me off.  Come to think of it, after reading some of the comments here it DOES seem like she's got this tendency to completely forget about the people who have been there for her and "put up with her" while she's making just plain rude fucking comments about them, or straight up threatening to cut them out of her life.

Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Hah, damn.  It's an active week in here for sure.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 25 Aug 2014, 21:18
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: themacnut on 25 Aug 2014, 21:39

Dora invades Marten's porn collection despite clearly being given the impression she didn't have his permission. When Marten quite rightly is upset. How does she react? By dumping him and breaking his heart. She's pretty much the only girlfriend he's ever going to have.

Marten will now be forever alone.

There is much about Valeyard's post that can be argued with, but I find this, I can't muster much of an argument. It remains to be seen if this trend will continue, but Marten's luck with romantic endeavors has been simply lousy, especially compared to the rest of the cast.

There was Vicky, who dumped him after he moved across the country for her. Ouch. Then there was Faye, who basically could not make up her mind about whether she wanted him or not, eventually deciding not because she wasn't ready. Then there was Dora, which started out well enough, then turned into a clusterfuck of insecurities and recriminations. Considering how that ended, it's a minor miracle they're still friends.

Since Dora, there's been Padma, which amounted to a short fling because of Padma's family obligations on the other side of the country. Then a one-night stand with Delilah, which would have been fine by itself if Marten had been happy with it, but he wasn't - he'd been hoping for more. Since then there have been no serious prospects on the horizon (unless you count Emily, which has problems because of the work relationship and Emily's kookiness).

Meanwhile, Dora's got herself a girlfriend, namely Tai, while Faye has been dating Angus since before Dora and Marten even broke up. Even Steve seems to be making it work with Cosette. The only other character with romantic troubles even close to Marten's is the notorious Sven, and he's only having issues because he's feeling love for probably the first time with someone who's in a relationship, and he's handling it poorly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 25 Aug 2014, 21:47
For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have  a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"

To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period. When she rightly told him to fuck himself, he doesn't stop to think "Boy, that was shitty" he immediately starts whining that it should have worked.

I can't read Sven or Jeph's mind so I could be entirely wrong, but I always assumed that was what these last two panels (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745) were. He didn't try to approach her again after that, and although he whined to Steve and I'd call that dumb/bad, I'd also call it normal. People are upset when they don't get what they want, even if they understand it's unjustified, and as long as they don't continue to be shitty about it I don't think it's particularly bad. Plus, while whining to Steve was continuing the situation on his end, it hasn't reached Faye at all and wouldn't if Cosette hadn't told Dora who told Marten who somehow will probably betray it to her. My point being, while being whiny is dumb, it wouldn't have really been doing anything bad, just having kind of a crap attitude the same evening it happened.

Also, while I don't know if Dora is the most toxic person (I think we could make a pretty good list for any of the main cast, including Marten), and while I am on the 'that porn thing was really shitty of her' side, I don't really see how it will make Marten any more/less forever alone than before.

I think cutting toxic people out is good, and I agree that toxic can apply to some people and not others (toxic to Dora but not Wil, for example), but I think jumping to conclusions and rash decisions and then declaring them (Marten)/otherwise being weird and dramatic (the smileyness and the secret) is a bad idea, and that seeing as she made the decision over a couple of hours, I don't know if I think even Dora thinks Sven's all that toxic. Cutting out a family member is a rather major decision, and while she's considered that she has to tell her parents, it doesn't seem like she's thought it through much (especially since 'don't tell Faye' has been added).

(ETA- not toxic to Wil was just an example. he may well have been literally toxic to Wil, as I don't think we've seen him in a while)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 21:50
Also, if someone hurts and manipulates your friends

Again with this "manipulate" thing. You must be seeing things I'm not.

If it's about the womanizing, I don't recall Sven actively really doing much, if anything at all, to get them. Veronica made it clear she found him sexually appealing in her opening comments to him. And she spoke first. Then there's the other woman throwing herself at him at the bar, and he only seemed oblivious to it. This seems to be the pattern with him and women. And I'm willing to bet the same scenario is likely to be the case with all of Dora's friends that he slept with in the past.

I certainly don't see him trying to be manipulative with his recent admission to Faye. He simply told her the truth about how he felt. Him expecting her to jump into his arms was more of a social ineptitude due to thinking movies were the way life actually worked. His expectation came across as genuine than manipulative.

I know during his date with Hanners, there wasn;t any sort of manipulation

Maybe if people confronted him more he might actually start to wise up. Faye is hardly showing any sort of moral high ground by letting him "stew in his own juices." She should have just told him "Hell no. There's no chance at us ever getting back together after what you did. You hurt me." right then and there.

There's not enough confrontation and honesty in this strip. Situations wouldn't get so out of hand if they logically and rationally explained things to each other before they become a problem. If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 22:02
Good to meet you! I'm newish here, myself.

For me, aside from trying to get Marten to cover his ass when he was trying to avoid an ex-girlfriend, the shitty thing he did was when Faye told him "Uh, dude, I have  a boyfriend," Sven's response basically was "So? I'm telling you that I'm in love with you, and in every movie I've seen with John Cusak and/or Ryan Gosling, you're supposed to run away with me no questions asked." When she tells him to fuck off with that noise, he gets pissy with her. He then reiterates his fuckarsness when Steve calls him on it later basically saying "Again, I don't give a shit that she's in a relationship that makes her happy. I did the grand gesture thing and I'm Sven Bianchi and why didn't it work?"


That's a whole lot of assumptions right there.

His exact response was "Look, I'm being honest here". It could mean what you interpreted, just as it could mean a whole bunch of other things like : "don't freak out, I'm just trying to be honest" or "This is not me playing with your brains" or "Tell me a better reason than I have a boyfriend, be honest you too". etc.

As for his "getting pissy with her" (which is just the one panel with an angered looking face, in which he doesn't say a damn thing, just before another panel with a sad looking face), it could be much more of a response to the words "fuck off" than anything else, or a reaction to Faye walking away from a discussion he didn't feel was over. I don't think showing an angered face for a split-second when told to fuck off is any indication of someone's ill-intents.

As for the Steve discussion : it just confirms that he's a spoiled kid who hasn't quite learned yet that everything doesn't always go as planned. Plus, the Star Wars bit makes it sound like Sven is being tongue-in-cheek about it.


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To wit: He wanted Faye and didn't give a shit what her personal circumstances were. The important thing, to him, was that he wanted her. Period.

He doesn't know about Faye's personal circumstances other than she has a boyfriend. Which, IMO, shouldn't be a good reason not to pursue the person you love (unless you are friends with the boyfriend, obviously). And, seriously, for any one ever pursuing a love interest, as there ever been a case where the important thing was NOT that you "wanted" the other person? How is that a point against him?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 25 Aug 2014, 22:10
Also...why is she telling Marten?

I think that sort of speaks to her subconscious in a way - because this is sort of eerily reminiscent of the breakup.  "We're both sick of her shit," remember?  I think she sees more of herself in Sven, or vice versa, than she'd like to admit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:10
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.

Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:10
Also, Dora broke up with Marten because she knew it was an unhealthy relationship. She didn't break up with because he got mad at her. She recognized that her insecurity was the problem and would probably always be an issue given the circumstances under which it started. The break up was the right thing to do in that situation and it hurt her as much as him.

Hurt? HURT? Tell me, who's in a relationship now, Dora or Marten?

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Yet Marten's own mother cared far infinately more about Dora's feelings than his. She actually comforted her while humiliating Marten at every conceivable turn during that visit. (Telling a waitress how big his dick was, showing his baby pictures despite knowing good and damn well he would NOT want her to show his friends the dildo pic.) Veronica wasn't the least bit concerned for her own flesh and blood's feelings or well being.

And yet Dora gets rewarded with a steady relationship with Tai, while Marten will be forever alone.

Id say SHE is far more of a Golden Child than Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 22:12
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.

He won't do it, and rightfully so : If I am not mistaken, robots, in the QC verse, have rights similar to humans. Sending pintsize to be formatted would be the equivalent of sending people to reformation camps or any other brain-washing organization.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:13
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 25 Aug 2014, 22:16
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Well, no, he wasn't, because possibly he was hoping for more, especially since Sam had taken a shine to Faye and was spending more time at CoD. Also, it probably had to hurt that she wasn't ready for something when he asked her but she had sufficiently healed at that point to be with someone.
 
But that's sort of a moot point now. Jim seems resilient. He and Veronica are well suited. He ain't thinking about Dora now and probably hasn't for a long time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 22:20
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.

I disagree. Sven just let her know where he stands. He didn't insist (yet) once she said no. There's no disrespect to the feelings there. Now if he keeps going at it over and over again, then you could claim disrespect, but until that moment happens, Sven will actually BE respecting Faye's feelings/wishes.


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Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.

Again, context. Those were for one night stands or uninvolved relationships. When it comes to the woman you'd really want to have a serious relationship with, the rules may change.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:20
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.

Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.

Yeah, yeah.. Sven can never do right.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:29
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.

He won't do it, and rightfully so : If I am not mistaken, robots, in the QC verse, have rights similar to humans. Sending pintsize to be formatted would be the equivalent of sending people to reformation camps or any other brain-washing organization.

They're ROBOTS. Nonliving pieces of inorganic machinery designed and built by humans. They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will. The notion that robots deserve any sort of "civil rights" is patently absurd.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:32
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Well, no, he wasn't, because possibly he was hoping for more, especially since Sam had taken a shine to Faye and was spending more time at CoD. Also, it probably had to hurt that she wasn't ready for something when he asked her but she had sufficiently healed at that point to be with someone.
 
But that's sort of a moot point now. Jim seems resilient. He and Veronica are well suited. He ain't thinking about Dora now and probably hasn't for a long time.

That doesn't let Dora off the hook for what she did when she did it. She broke his heart. After all, no one is letting Sven off the hook, why should Dora be given a free pass?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:32
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date=1409024800
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Oh boo hoo. The person I went on one date with months ago is dating someone. What kind of screwed up entitled worldview does it take to have that in anyway be her fault?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 25 Aug 2014, 22:37
If Marten would simply get Pintsize's personality reformatted they wouldn't have problems with him incoveniencing them with his perverted antics.

He won't do it, and rightfully so : If I am not mistaken, robots, in the QC verse, have rights similar to humans. Sending pintsize to be formatted would be the equivalent of sending people to reformation camps or any other brain-washing organization.

They're ROBOTS. Nonliving pieces of inorganic machinery designed and built by humans. They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will. The notion that robots deserve any sort of "civil rights" is patently absurd.

Not in the QC universe.

Also the "They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will." Is how slaves were classified.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:39
Quote from: sitnspin link=topic=30064.msg1262054#msg1262054
date=1409024800
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Oh boo hoo. The person I went on one date with months ago is dating someone. What kind of screwed up entitled worldview does it take to have that in anyway be her fault?

Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 22:40

They're ROBOTS. Nonliving pieces of inorganic machinery designed and built by humans. They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will. The notion that robots deserve any sort of "civil rights" is patently absurd.

So what? In the QC-verse, scientists have succeeded in giving AI a intelligence/consciousness equivalent to humans, thus giving robots (meeting that human-AI criteria) rights. That's why they have robot prisons, for instance. And no, the idea of giving civil rights to such robots is far from absurd, and could be debated in many philosophical ethics books/researches/thesis.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:42
Quote from: sitnspin link=topic=30064.msg1262054#msg1262054
date=1409024800
"Crushed Jim's heart". Are you freaking serious? They went on one date.

So I guess you didn't see the strip where he found out about Dora and Tai?

Can you honestly tell me he was overjoyed at that revelation?

Oh boo hoo. The person I went on one date with months ago is dating someone. What kind of screwed up entitled worldview does it take to have that in anyway be her fault?

Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes.

Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:49
Not in the QC universe.

Perhaps not. But it's still retarded.

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Also the "They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will." Is how slaves were classified.

I don't see the two situations as being the least bit similar.

The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.

Or do you actually pay your washing machine?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 22:52
Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.

No, Im actually right on the money.

And yes, breaking Jim'sa heart IS amoung them.

Excuse me for actually having empathy for the guiy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 22:55
Not in the QC universe.

Perhaps not. But it's still retarded.

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Also the "They're essentially nothing more than appliances. Property for humans to do with as they will." Is how slaves were classified.

I don't see the two situations as being the least bit similar.

The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.

Or do you actually pay your washing machine?

If my washing machine was a sapient being, I would. I fail to see how being "organic" has anything to do with. Human (and other bilogocical organisms) bodies are machines as well, just built out of different materials through a different process.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:05
Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.

No, Im actually right on the money.

And yes, breaking Jim'sa heart IS amoung them.

Excuse me for actually having empathy for the guiy.
In what way are you "right on the money"?

Yes, we get it, any time a woman doesn't continue to go out with a guy after the first date, she's a heartbreaker.

I can do straw man arguments, too
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 25 Aug 2014, 23:08
I am not a fan of this current arc. It really seems as though the plot is being forced into a direction as opposed to organically building there. Plot driven, as opposed to character driven.

In my opinion, Sven and Dora are not acting in character. Sven was presented as much more socially savvy than he has been recently. Dora was presented as someone who is overprotective of her friends, but who also loves her brother. Arguing that there are thingswe haven't seen motivating this decision.. no. This is a story telling format. Assumedly any plot development big enough to trigger this reaction from Dora would have been shown. If it was something from Dora's past... maybe, but nothing has been hinted at, as opposed to Faye witnessing her fathers suicide, which was heavily foreshadowed.

This is the second time during this arc that I have been jolted out of the overall story because characters are acting so out of their norm. I think Jeph is forcing the plot in a specific direction in order to make some sort of overall point, and I'm curious as to what that point is, but I really don't think he is planning his arc very well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 25 Aug 2014, 23:11

The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.

Humans are organic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Robots (in QC) are inorganic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.

Are humans defined only by the fact that they're organic? In fact, what is humanity? Is it bound to the body of the homo genus, or is it something more abstract? If another species evolves so that they think, act, live, reason, love like humans do, would we say they have humanity? What if that species were robots? What if the robot was made of organic parts, and those parts were assembled by humans?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 23:16
Nice straw man argument. Dora has done plenty wrong. Breaking Jim's heart is not among them. I am curious as to what mindset could interpret otherwise.

No, Im actually right on the money.

And yes, breaking Jim'sa heart IS amoung them.

Excuse me for actually having empathy for the guiy.
In what way are you "right on the money"?

Yes, we get it, any time a woman doesn't continue to go out with a guy after the first date, she's a heartbreaker.

I can do straw man arguments, too

In order for there to be a "too", I would have to be doing straw man argument myself. And I'm not. My reasons are valid, yours isn't.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:16
I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 25 Aug 2014, 23:19
This person has to be a troll. If not, they're so asinine as to be indistinguishable so I would vote for ignoring, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 23:21

The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.

Humans are organic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Robots (in QC) are inorganic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.

Are humans defined only by the fact that they're organic? In fact, what is humanity? Is it bound to the body of the homo genus, or is it something more abstract? If another species evolves so that they think, act, live, reason, love like humans do, would we say they have humanity? What if that species were robots? What if the robot was made of organic parts, and those parts were assembled by humans?

Oh for God's sake. Assuming mention of him is allowed in here.

Robots are not people. People deserve inalienable rights. Robots do not. Has political correctness disabled ALL rationality these days?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:22
Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes.

This is a straw man. I never argued this point. Just I never argued the point that Sven can do no right.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:23

The difference is human slaves are living, organic creatures. Just because something is wrong in one situation, doesn't mean it's unilaterally wrong in ALL of them. Otherwise it's just as wrong to use a moving van carry your stuff across a distance as forcing a person to carry everything by foot.

Humans are organic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.
Robots (in QC) are inorganic, intelligent, reasoning, living creatures.

Are humans defined only by the fact that they're organic? In fact, what is humanity? Is it bound to the body of the homo genus, or is it something more abstract? If another species evolves so that they think, act, live, reason, love like humans do, would we say they have humanity? What if that species were robots? What if the robot was made of organic parts, and those parts were assembled by humans?

Oh for God's sake. Assuming mention of him is allowed in here.

Robots are not people. People deserve inalienable rights. Robots do not. Has political correctness disabled ALL rationality these days?

Do you actually have an argument beyond "just because"?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Valeyard on 25 Aug 2014, 23:27
This person has to be a troll. If not, they're so asinine as to be indistinguishable so I would vote for ignoring, for what it's worth.

Ah. I get it. Having a view that doesn't agree with the majority is trolling now.

I guess the "tolerance" mantra only applies to those who agree with you. Typical.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:28
This person has to be a troll. If not, they're so asinine as to be indistinguishable so I would vote for ignoring, for what it's worth.

Ah. I get it. Having a view that doesn't agree with the majority is trolling now.

I guess the "tolerance" mantra only applies to those who agree with you. Typical.
It would help if you presented a reasoned argument.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 25 Aug 2014, 23:32
I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.

I just don't read Dora as being someone who would opt to cut someone from her life. I would expect her to confront Sven, then, if that confrontation went badly, decide to cut him out of her life. Just jumping from "my brother did something slightly assholeish!" to "toxic person, out of my life." does not fit with how I've read Dora in the past.

To make this snap decision, of this magnitude, does not seem in charcter for Dora. Sure, she has had snap reactions in the past, but they were over relatively minor things from her perspective (A girl flirted with Marten! or I'll just look at Marten's porn, it's not a big deal) She didn't forsee that her actions would have consequences of magnitude. But when she broke up with Marten she did it with forethought. I see cutting someone out of your life on a magnitude above breaking up with someone. I don't think Dora would put less thought into cutting Sven out of her life than she would put into breaking up with Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 25 Aug 2014, 23:35
In order for there to be a "too", I would have to be doing straw man argument myself. And I'm not. My reasons are valid, yours isn't.

I don't necessarily have any problem with the position you are advocating, but if you want to be taken seriously, you really will have to open yourself up to considering other people's points of view, rather than simply dismissing them as stupid or invalid without any further consideration. Deliberate misrepresentation of people's views, such as "Yes yes, we get it. Dora can never do wrong in your eyes," will not do you any favors. You should address their arguments, rather than jump to conclusions about what is behind them.

No-one is perfect, and that applies double in the QC world. Everyone in this comic has their troubles, and I can assure that pretty much everyone here would be aware of that. That includes Dora and Sven both.

I am not so sure that I would apply the word 'toxic' to Sven, it seems a little strong. But I can see why Dora might. Obviously their relationship is somewhat toxic, as I mentioned earlier, and neither is entirely blameless. Apportion blame as you will. Also, whether distancing herself from him is the right move, I don't know. Maybe it is, at least for the time being. As someone else said, it's probably a better option than her bludgeoning him with a baseball bat.

FWIW, I don't hate Sven, but he has a few lessons to learn.

Edit: I forgot to mention that there are a couple of things I do disagree with. I don't think that "breaking Jim's heart" (whether she really did or not) makes Dora a terrible person. A first date does not oblige anyone to follow up with a relationship. Also, there was a throw-away line along the lines of  "Marten is now forever alone." Really? A little dramatic, don't you think? Marten will find someone else, in his own time. If he doesn't, that's not Dora's fault.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:36
I disagree, at least when it comes to Dora acting out of character. Tension with her brother has been there for years. Her relationship with and to him have been a major source of emotional turmoil for her her whole life. That she might decide it would be healthy to distance herself from him seems a natural progression of that. Whether or not it is a good choice, it is one that follows from the preceding event.

I just don't read Dora as being someone who would opt to cut someone from her life. I would expect her to confront Sven, then, if that confrontation went badly, decide to cut him out of her life. Just jumping from "my brother did something slightly assholeish!" to "toxic person, out of my life." does not fit with how I've read Dora in the past.

To make this snap decision, of this magnitude, does not seem in charcter for Dora. Sure, she has had snap reactions in the past, but they were over relatively minor things from her perspective (A girl flirted with Marten! or I'll just look at Marten's porn, it's not a big deal) She didn't forsee that her actions would have consequences of magnitude. But when she broke up with Marten she did it with forethought. I see cutting someone out of your life on a magnitude above breaking up with someone. I don't think Dora would put less thought into cutting Sven out of her life than she would put into breaking up with Marten.
Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 25 Aug 2014, 23:40
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.

Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.

It is not hypocritical. We have no reason to doubt that he was telling the truth when he said that. It is going against his principles as he previously stated them, but he is openly admitting that he is a changed man.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 25 Aug 2014, 23:43
Again, her decision is not a reaction to this singular event, it is a culmination of everything leading up to this point. The back breaking straw, as it were.
I understand why some people might see it that way. I don't.

Dora and Sven haven't really been hanging out much or involved in each others lives since she moved out of his apartment. (I am basing this on the idea that something not shown in comic is not plot relevant) There has been no foreshadowing, no discussions involving her brother, not really anything, except that date he took Hanners on wayyy back (which might have been pre-Dora Marten breakup, I don't remember and I am not looking it up right now)

Clearly a person can cut someone out of their life at any time, for any reason, etc. But this is a story being told to us, not real life. For me, Dora's decision lacks the requisite buildup that you would see for a "last straw" moment.

[Edited to insert relevant quote that I am replying to]
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:45

Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.

It is not hypocritical. We have no reason to doubt that he was telling the truth when he said that. It is going against his principles as he previously stated them, but he is openly admitting that he is a changed man.

Fair enough. Not exactly a positive change in this instance. I've always been a relatively strong supporter of Sven up until this current arc.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 25 Aug 2014, 23:48
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).

And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 25 Aug 2014, 23:49
Clearly a person can cut someone out of their life at any time, for any reason, etc. But this is a story being told to us, not real life. For me, Dora's decision lacks the requisite buildup that you would see for a "last straw" moment.

Given that Dora's attitude towards her brother has been much the same throughout the comic as far as I can recall, we can only assume that there is a lot of history that we are unaware of. Or you could assume that there is none, and that Dora is simply a terrible person. Depending on which person you personally prefer to hate.  :-D

The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).

And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her. 

Yes, probably!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:50
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).

And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 25 Aug 2014, 23:55
Personally I don't hate either of them. Dora and Sven, along with Tai, have been the characters I identify with most in the comic, each for different reasons.

I'm not arguing that Sven is awful or toxic in general, just that I can understand Dora doing this if the relationship between them is detrimental to her growth and recovery, which it seems to be. This is not to say that is completely his fault, it just is a description of the current state of things.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Aug 2014, 23:55
Has political correctness disabled ALL rationality these days?

Global Moderator Comment For the benefit of the many new people joining us, be advised that accusing other members of irrationality is not the way we do things here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 25 Aug 2014, 23:56
The person you are interested in having a significant other IS a good reason not to pursue them unless you know they are polyamorous. It is disrespectful to the feelings of the person you're pursuing. You are effectively saying you don't respect their feelings for their partner and are only interested in your own wants.

Plus Sven is being hypocritical since he has stated outright that he doesn't intentionally pursue women who are already involved.

And Dora all but went after Marten while he was after Faye.  I honestly think she is just as guilty of major relationship BS as Sven.  Someone pointed out earlier that Dora has more in common with Sven then she wants to admit, and I think that truer words haven't been spoken on this forum.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2014, 00:01
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.

Only because Faye will think that Dora is making a bad decision.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Aug 2014, 00:04
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.

Idk, I could see Faye beating up Dora for bringing more stress into Faye's life at what is already a stressful time.

Given that Dora's attitude towards her brother has been much the same throughout the comic as far as I can recall, we can only assume that there is a lot of history that we are unaware of. Or you could assume that there is none, and that Dora is simply a terrible person. Depending on which person you personally prefer to hate.  :-D

Again, if there is some history we are unaware of (the comic has gone into Dora and Sven's childhoods possibly more than any other characters except Hanners) Then this is just bad story telling. For something to suddenly be presented now, with no foreshadowing, is sloppy.

I don't think Jeph writes anyone to be a "terrible person". Prior to this arc he has been masterful at writing evolving characters who make mistakes and then grow. I can see Dora deciding to cut Sven out of her life and then being talked out of her decision by Sven/her therapist/Marten as a plot possibility. What is ruining it for me is that it follows so closely on the heels of Sven acting out of character.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 00:04
The case against Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=682).

And now Dora is trying to avoid the ass kicking that Faye will give her.
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.

She is using Faye and Sven's situation, which Faye nor Sven have said word one to Dora about, to cut Sven off.  Faye might be an ass to people, but she applies it evenly.  Everyone gets shit.  And once Faye finds this out she is probably going to go thermal on Dora.  Faye already threatened to kick the shit out of Dora once, and I can see this bring the breaking point for Faye. 

And as an aside, Marten needs to stop being an emotional tampon for the women in his life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 00:08
What has she done in this case that warrants a beat down? She hasn't done anything to Faye.

Idk, I could see Faye beating up Dora for bringing more stress into Faye's life at what is already a stressful time.

How is she adding more stress to Faye's life? How does cutting off Sven affect Faye?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Aug 2014, 00:11
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Roboduck on 26 Aug 2014, 00:13
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Sven was presented as much more socially savvy than he has been recently.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only bit of social savvyness I remember Sven ever showing was on his pretend-date with Hanners, where he where he talks about taking girls into places she wouldn't usually go to impress her. That's not exactly Machiavelli; I'd easily believe he picked that up from a romantic comedy too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 00:15
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?
Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore. As I said before, her decision is not based on this situation alone
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Aug 2014, 00:20
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Aug 2014, 00:21
I don't think Jeph writes anyone to be a "terrible person".

There was Vespavenger, but your point is well taken. Somewhere in a long-ago Q&A Jeph said he's never written an argument where one party was completely right.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 00:25
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.
Faye has no obligation to talk to Sven about anything. They are not together, they are not even friends. She might possibly have to comfort Dora a bit, but I don't see that as an inevitability. By your rationale, then Sven's actions do affect Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2014, 00:29
Again, if there is some history we are unaware of (the comic has gone into Dora and Sven's childhoods possibly more than any other characters except Hanners) Then this is just bad story telling. For something to suddenly be presented now, with no foreshadowing, is sloppy.

From where I'm sitting, Dora's intense dislike of Sven, expressed multiple times, along with a couple of fairly shitting things Sven has done has provided plenty of foreshadowing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 26 Aug 2014, 00:39


She is using Faye and Sven's situation, which Faye nor Sven have said word one to Dora about, to cut Sven off.  Faye might be an ass to people, but she applies it evenly.  Everyone gets shit.  And once Faye finds this out she is probably going to go thermal on Dora.  Faye already threatened to kick the shit out of Dora once, and I can see this bring the breaking point for Faye. 

And as an aside, Marten needs to stop being an emotional tampon for the women in his life.

You do not know that. In fact, I'd argue that the fact that Dora asked Marten not to say anything to Faye indicates the exact opposite. Dora has said she is going to tell her parents. This is a huge deal. The very fact that she wanted to and continues to want to leave Faye out of it says to me that Dora is not "using" the situation to cut Sven off.

Also? Faye needs to keep her hands to herself. If Dora annoys her, then Faye has every right to quit and find work elsewhere. Threatening to or actually striking someone doesn't solve everything. Dora is not making Faye responsible. She would have come into the shop guns blazing telling Faye "OMFG that's it, I'm done with Sven after what he's done to you."

In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.

Why would you think this? Faye is not obligated to be anybody's agony aunt, and Dora doesn't even want her to know about it, let along give her guidance about it. Faye would have every right to tell Sven to fuck himself if he approaches her again. It's not her brother or her problem. All she needs to do is her job.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2014, 00:49
In the same sense, Dora cutting Sven out of her life will affect Faye. Indirectly. Faye will have to deal with the fallout that is inevitable when someone publicly cuts another out of their life. She will probably have to spend time comforting Dora, maybe talk with Sven, etc. It adds another layer to every interaction, more energy that will need to be spent on this.

Why would you think this? Faye is not obligated to be anybody's agony aunt, and Dora doesn't even want her to know about it, let along give her guidance about it.

She's not obligated, but she almost certainly will, regardless. So it will affect her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 26 Aug 2014, 00:53
Faye needs to keep her hands to herself. If Dora annoys her, then Faye has every right to quit and find work elsewhere. Threatening to or actually striking someone doesn't solve everything.
I know that Faye has gotten far less punch-happy since the comic began (she really does seem to be making progress in therapy), but still for her, and to a lesser extent, Dora, and some other members of the cast (hell, even Momo was ready to zap Emily) seem to look at physical violence from the perspective "well, if it's not working, use more".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 26 Aug 2014, 00:56
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?

Faye right now is in love with a guy who may get an offer he cannot refuse and leave her, and Faye is still working through her abandonment issues. Sven is aware of Faye's issues. At first I thought maybe he wasn't and then I realized he was because of the advice he gave Dora in going after Marten. Faye has admitted to Dora being unsure and scared about what may happen with her and Angus. And now a guy that she probably had been starting to fall for before he had drunken, mediocre sex with a woman he never saw again, and who devastated Faye with that action, is popping up at this crucial time and telling her he is in love with her and wants to be with her.

Faye is one of her key employees, and arguably the person beside Dora who made CoD into the success it is. She's in an emotional rough spot and confided in Dora about that. She is then summarily raked over the emotional coals by Dora's brother, who should know better, after the shit he put her through. I will point out again that at the outset of the Angus-might-move arc, Dora had to gently tell Faye that her work was slipping and that precipitated the talk about Angus. Dora has every reason to be concerned that because of her dickhead brother, her friend and valuable employee might go into a tailspin. And yes, the latter would affect Dora, as Faye's boss.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: themacnut on 26 Aug 2014, 01:03
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?
Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore.

The irony is, cutting Sven out of her life wouldn't really help in this regard. It would not stop Sven from say, chasing after Faye again if he so chose, or even coming to the shop and flirting with any of the other barristas. He just wouldn't be speaking to his sister and vice versa. She could always tell him to leave her shop (business owners do have the right to order someone off their premises) but again, that doesn't stop Sven from flirting with any of the girls after hours.

Basically, Sven could go right on flirting with Dora's friends while ignoring Dora completely, since they're Not Speaking.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 26 Aug 2014, 01:11
There sure is a whole lot of projection coming from one side of this argument. Women are not obligated to date men that they do not want to date. It doesn't matter how 'crushed' a person would be by the ending of the relationship- The relationship is a two way street.
You can feel bad for the hurt party in a breakup (which is, more often than not, actually both parties) but to vilify the person committing the break, as a third party observer, says more about you than it does about that person.

Dora's never cheated on anybody, so far as we know. She's not perfect, but she's often tried to make amends after outbursts and seems to care about her friends. Sven, on the other hand...

I genuinely don't know where you'd all read that he was some socially savvy great guy. Nearly every time we'd encountered him, it was either a situation he couldn't fuck up without being cartoonishly horrible, or we've been dealing with the backlash of some relationship of his gone awry. The only time he seemed like a decent guy, to me, was on his date with hanners. He's not a horrible person, no, but he's not a GOOD person. Definitely the kind of person I would avoid having in my life, at least.

Jeeze, it's almost like we're reading a comic about dysfunctional adults or something.

Also: Threats of physical violence amongst friends do not necessitate a willingness to actually use that violence. Hell, they don't even seem to even THREATEN it much anymore. Why is everyone jumping to those conclusions?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 26 Aug 2014, 01:23
After reading through more discussion, I can see how this might affect Dora more in certain ways, perhaps not directly, but seeing a friend in stressful situations can also be stressful for oneself in an empathetic sort of way, and witnessing (however indirectly) somebody being an asshole and making that situation MORE stressful is just plain anger inducing. This still seems like a heat of the moment thing though. It seems like she wants to 'punish' Sven for his actions, but she doesn't want to tell him that she's punishing him. It's not very logical from an objective standpoint, but under a lot of anger and stress, cutting off the SOURCE of that anger and stress might seem logical in that moment.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 01:31
I don't see it as an attempt to punish Sven, I see it as an attempt to remove an emotionally destructive influence from her life. It is an understandable choice, but one she'd be wise to discuss with her therapist first
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2014, 01:34
Also: Threats of physical violence amongst friends do not necessitate a willingness to actually use that violence. Hell, they don't even seem to even THREATEN it much anymore. Why is everyone jumping to those conclusions?

I don't know, but I find myself asking that question every week, when someone inevitably remarks 'wow, x is really going to punch y after that,' or something along those lines. I can only assume they are speaking metaphorically, but even so, it is still a bit head scratching.

My theory is that at least part of this is due to the static nature of comics. What is for one character a passing moment of irritation is, for the reader, a day or perhaps even an eternity of anger building up to some kind of overly dramatic conclusion.

Also... projection? Around here? Surely not.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 02:02
Also? Faye needs to keep her hands to herself. If Dora annoys her, then Faye has every right to quit and find work elsewhere. Threatening to or actually striking someone doesn't solve everything. Dora is not making Faye responsible. She would have come into the shop guns blazing telling Faye "OMFG that's it, I'm done with Sven after what he's done to you."

Lets see... Faye has a history of violence, though Marten is really the only one she has ever been violent with.  Again, Faye nor Sven have talked to Dora about this, and she is trying like a 5 year old hiding something from her mom to keep Faye from finding out about it.  I'd say Faye has every right to be pissed off, and this being a comic strip she will go off about it.  I know Faye has grown a lot, probably grown the most of any character in the comic, but people don't change 100%.  Once a violent nutter (and I respect that about her) always a violent nutter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 02:11
Faye right now is in love with a guy who may get an offer he cannot refuse and leave her, and Faye is still working through her abandonment issues. Sven is aware of Faye's issues. At first I thought maybe he wasn't and then I realized he was because of the advice he gave Dora in going after Marten. Faye has admitted to Dora being unsure and scared about what may happen with her and Angus. And now a guy that she probably had been starting to fall for before he had drunken, mediocre sex with a woman he never saw again, and who devastated Faye with that action, is popping up at this crucial time and telling her he is in love with her and wants to be with her.

Does Sven even know about Angus getting the offer?  At least did he before he confessed to Faye that he might be in love with her?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 02:14
After reading through more discussion, I can see how this might affect Dora more in certain ways, perhaps not directly, but seeing a friend in stressful situations can also be stressful for oneself in an empathetic sort of way, and witnessing (however indirectly) somebody being an asshole and making that situation MORE stressful is just plain anger inducing. This still seems like a heat of the moment thing though. It seems like she wants to 'punish' Sven for his actions, but she doesn't want to tell him that she's punishing him. It's not very logical from an objective standpoint, but under a lot of anger and stress, cutting off the SOURCE of that anger and stress might seem logical in that moment.

The biggest problem I have with this is that Faye is being left out.  She had her talk with Marten, got it out of her system, and she has moved on.  I feel like Dora is just doing whatever the devil she wants to and be damned anyone else's feeling. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 02:17
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 26 Aug 2014, 02:28
Creatureshock- Instead of posting after yourself multiple times, could you consolidate your posts into one post? It makes the thread as a whole easier to read.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 02:30
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.

Based on third hand information that was explained to her in short hand.  If Dora had come to this after something Sven had done to her or in front of her, I'd be all kinds of ok with it.  The fact that she did it this way and is now trying to hide the decision like a cat hiding a turd is what I have a problem with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 02:36
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.

Based on third hand information that was explained to her in short hand.  If Dora had come to this after something Sven had done to her or in front of her, I'd be all kinds of ok with it.  The fact that she did it this way and is now trying to hide the decision like a cat hiding a turd is what I have a problem with.
Because its not about Faye, its about Dora and her brother. What good comes of telling Faye about it? Not telling her is an attempt to avoid drama, not cause it. Not saying I agree with that decision, but is not a moral failing and it is not a slight against Faye. Really, it is none of Faye's business.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 03:01
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.

Based on third hand information that was explained to her in short hand.  If Dora had come to this after something Sven had done to her or in front of her, I'd be all kinds of ok with it.  The fact that she did it this way and is now trying to hide the decision like a cat hiding a turd is what I have a problem with.
Because its not about Faye, its about Dora and her brother. What good comes of telling Faye about it? Not telling her is an attempt to avoid drama, not cause it. Not saying I agree with that decision, but is not a moral failing and it is not a slight against Faye. Really, it is none of Faye's business.

I can only say it from my position.  Dora is Faye's best female friend (Marten being her best friend over all), and Dora not telling Faye about something this majorly significant action she is taking in her life, based on something that did not happen to Dora but to Faye, will probably piss Faye off.  Faye has enough shit on her plate with Angus possibly moving and their relationship, the most healthy relationship she has ever had with someone outside of her family, becoming long distance or possibly forcing her to move (and I can almost guarantee she is thinking of that possibility) to be with the man she loves.  And I have no qualms saying that she is in love with Angus.  Two years going to a therapist for anger management issues because I realized I needed to get my shit under control, I can honestly say that I would be pissed off six ways to Sunday about this.  I don't have a history of violence like Faye does, just verbal abuse bordering on artistic verbal hatred used as a weapon by several friends who are no longer in my life because they would do that to me.  I have had to cut people out of my life because they were toxic users.  Sven, at least as far as Dora goes, is not a toxic user of a person as best I've seen.  Is he a fuck up that has sailed through life on a wind swept sea of horse shit?  You betcha he has.  Same with Jack Sparrow, half the characters Humphrey Bogart and Burt Reynolds have played.  They weren't toxic.  They were just assholes that everyone else let slide because of a cute smile, a way with words, and enough charisma to to get the Queen of England, Duchess of York and Dame Edna (I know, a bit of a stretch, but you put enough booze into them...) to drop their panties for them. 

They are not toxic, just assholes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:12
Toxic is relative. If a person hampers your growth and psychological recovery, that person is toxic to you and your well-being. You are not Dora, nor am I. Would Sven's behavior be toxic to me? No. I have a history of behavior fairly similar to his, but without the spoiled sense of entitlement. However, my issues are not her issues. I am assessing Dora's decisions from her perspective (as close as I can) not my own.

Dora is Faye's friend. Someone being your friend does not entitle you to every bit of data about them. They are not obligated to clue you in on every personal decision.

This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 26 Aug 2014, 03:14
Again, I ask, what does Faye have to be angry about? Dora made a decision about her relationship with her brother. How does that negatively affect Faye? I know you are determined to blame Dora for something, anything, but I fail to see any rational basis for Faye to care what Dora does in relation to her own family.
People seldom act in a rational manner.  Dora probably has her (possibly quite good) reasons from not wanting to drag Faye into family/personal matters.  On the other hand, she *is* head underling at CoD, and may feel like the Dora/Sven problem might have an effect on her work environment.  That might be rational, it might not, and Dora might have the best intentions, knowing that Faye is stressed enough as it is.  At this point, it is still unknown what impact Dora's decision will have, and how it'll affect the other characters, so aside from speculation, I don't really see the point in (and I'm not aiming at you, just the turn this thread has taken) essentially picking "sides".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 03:18
This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.

Then we will agree to disagree.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 03:44
This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.

Then we will agree to disagree.
We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 26 Aug 2014, 04:08
This isn't about Faye. This is about a long term on-going problem between Dora and Sven. It is a family matter. I really don't understand how you think it involves Faye.

Then we will agree to disagree.
We will likely never agree, but that does not preclude understanding of each other's respective positions. I am legitimately curious about your reasoning in this matter as it has so far baffled me. You say that you'd be angry in Faye's position, but you've never explained why.

Because if someone based a major life decision on something that happened to me, without even asking me my opinion of the situation, I would be pissed off.  At the very least, in my opinion, Faye deserves a "Dude, that's fucked up".  Add to the fact that Dora is, as I've said before, hiding this like a child hides a bad report card, would make me even more pissed off.  I would expect a "Hey, I heard what happened.  Here is what I am going to do because I'm sick of his shit, and what he did to you want the last straw", not "Please don't tell her/him/it".  I am sort of taking Sven's side of this because he is an upfront asshole.  He doesn't hide it, he is just being Sven.  Dora is being an asshole, but being an undercover asshole.   I've always had respect for people that don't tiptoe around issues.  Be honest and upfront about it.  Nothing pisses me off more, and my parents, brother, and several dozen ex-girlfriends and dozens of ex and current friends learned this very quickly when I went off on them because of it.  You aren't saving anyone's feelings from being hurt but your own.  And if you are too much of a coward to take your lumps and suffer the consequences of your actions or decisions, then don't fucking do them.  If you are going to execute me, at least have the balls to do it to my face and not from behind.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 26 Aug 2014, 04:18

I can only say it from my position.  Dora is Faye's best female friend (Marten being her best friend over all), and Dora not telling Faye about something this majorly significant action she is taking in her life, based on something that did not happen to Dora but to Faye, will probably piss Faye off.  Faye has enough shit on her plate with Angus possibly moving and their relationship, the most healthy relationship she has ever had with someone outside of her family, becoming long distance or possibly forcing her to move (and I can almost guarantee she is thinking of that possibility) to be with the man she loves. 

OK, you're obviously not interested in the well-reasoned arguments (not mine) that detail why this does affect Dora, which indicates that you've made up your mind to blame Dora regardless, so I will heed that and move on.

I do think you have a point within the rest of this paragraph. Dora has done a monumentally stupid thing in telling Marten. I get it that she wants Faye not to know, probably precisely because she fears Faye will blow a gasket, or try to invalidate her feelings, just as Marten is trying to do. It's not for Marten to tell Dora what she should and should not feel and how dumb or not she is to feel whatever way she feels,. Faye specializes in that sort of behavior to the point where she had to be warned not to be an asshole to Marigold or there would be consequences.

But Marten is incapable of keeping anything from anybody for any length of time, plus he is Faye's best friend. Dora has now involved Marten in the "cover up" which will not go over well when Faye inevitably finds out what's going on. Doesn't make Dora "toxic," doesn't mean that she deserves to be dipped in butter and thrown on an anthill. It does indicate her tendency to shoot first and aim later that has been pointed out in this thread. And maybe she will lose Faye's respect, friendship or even services in CoD.

That's how far it goes. Faye has nothing to do with Dora's feelings for her own brother any more than Dora would have to do with Faye's feelings toward her sister. If Dora tells Faye "You were dealing with the Angus stuff and I didn't want to pile on. I knew there was a reason you didn't tell me and I'm sorry I involved Marten and asked him to keep this from you, but I've made up my mind about Sven," then that's it as far as Faye is concerned. Faye doesn't get to be preachy or offended or violent over actual feelings that Dora may feel, but that she (Faye) might not personally agree with. She does get to be offended and angry (but still not violent) that Marten is involved and is being told to actively keep this from her.

Also, I don't see what "consequences" Dora would be taking except for the loss of Faye's friendship, which she was prepared to suffer after the Marten thing, or Faye quitting, which she was also prepared to suffer. Dora loves Faye, but ultimately it's up to Faye if she wants to leave the friendship, and while Faye's services to CoD have been tremendous, Dale's situation shows that Dora could have three people in there tomorrow to replace Faye if it came to that. I definitely don't think she wants it to come to that, but there's really no "consequences" Dora is avoiding here, except being hit by Faye, and I say again, Faye needs to keep her hands to herself before she winds up in jail on assault charges because one day she will dump milk or coffee on the wrong customer and her arse will be in lockup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 04:29
Again, why would that piss you off?

Her life decisions are her own, regardless of the reasons. And this decision only affects her, not Faye. The situation with Sven was a long time coming. Frankly I am surprised it took her this long considering how long the issue had been stewing between them. I still think you are viewing her current choice solely in light of this most recent event rather than in the larger context of their life long relationship. The anger and resentment she feels, justified or not,  has been there for years.

If she was interfering in Faye's personal life, I'd understand the anger and agree with it, but she is not.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 26 Aug 2014, 04:53
Sheesh.

Mob A: "Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business.  Dora has no rational reason to be irrational about it."

Mob B: "Dora cutting Sven out is none of Faye's business.  Faye has no rational reason to be irrational about it."

It's like I'm looking at mirror images here, more alike than different.  And they can't stop fighting ...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 26 Aug 2014, 04:56
Sheesh.

Mob A: "Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business.  Dora has no rational reason to be irrational about it."

Mob B: "Dora cutting Sven out is none of Faye's business.  Faye has no rational reason to be irrational about it."

It's like I'm looking at mirror images here, more alike than different.  And they can't stop fighting ...

Of course.  We're like cats; we see our reflection, and we start hissing at it.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 26 Aug 2014, 04:59
The only thing Faye truly has to be upset about is the blatant deception the two of them are engaged in, since it sort of implies that at least one of them doesn't believe she will react favourably so they're lying and hiding instead of being honest. The trouble is that Faye is more likely to react badly to the dishonesty than to the original situation and that won't go down easily at all…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bob of the South on 26 Aug 2014, 05:23
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!

I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 05:32
Actually, he did try to push it. She told him she has a boyfriend and his response was "So what?" and expected her to get back together anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 26 Aug 2014, 05:35
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!

I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.

I'd like to add to this that at the end of his meeting with Faye, Sven seem reluctant to doing it but actually seemed somewhat accepting of her decision (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745), even though he wasn't terribly happy with it.  And even though in his meeting with Steve (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2756) he was a little bit bitter and "whiny" about it, he still made no indication that he planned to cross further boundaries.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 05:36
Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business unless Faye chooses to share the information.

Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's business unless Dora chooses to share the information.

Both of these are true.

Both of them are free to make decisions that don't affect the other based on this information without clearing it with each other
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 26 Aug 2014, 05:41
How does Sven confessing he loves Faye affect Dora?
Directly? Not at all. One could argue it is just another example of the type of behavior from him she doesn't want in her life anymore.

The irony is, cutting Sven out of her life wouldn't really help in this regard. It would not stop Sven from say, chasing after Faye again if he so chose, or even coming to the shop and flirting with any of the other barristas.

It might not, but then again, it could.   I don't recall Dora ever going so far as to actually cut Sven out of her life, and having Dora - his own sister, who's tolerated his BS for so long - finally have enough might actually be enough to wake him the hell up.  It may or may not even be contributing to her rationale (though I kind of doubt it, since she seems to be in a slightly more self-oriented mindset).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Aug 2014, 05:41
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 26 Aug 2014, 05:42
Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's business unless Dora chooses to share the information.

The issue with this is that Dora already went dancing around in front of Faye because of "something".  It's kind of poor form to purposefully draw attention to something and flirt around with the subject, but then not actually tell people what it is that's bothering you.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Socky on 26 Aug 2014, 05:43
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 26 Aug 2014, 05:45
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?

Because Marten is also her good friend and is likely to provide a more level-headed response than Faye is.

I also strongly disagree with this idea that people are throwing around that Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business, and Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's.  They're not just coworkers - they're also close friends.  In that sense, of course something like that would be the business of the other, in the sense that they'd each be concerned about the other's well being. It's not to say that either are obligated to share that information with the other, but let's not pretend that either situation wouldn't have an impact on the other person. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Aug 2014, 05:58
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FilliamHMuffman on 26 Aug 2014, 06:03
Personally I think most of the argument here is because there are too many characters in this comic and too little character development for us to make judgments off of. I don't remember the last time sven was shown and I don't think that him suddenly appearing proclaiming love is a good way to begin a plot arc when both him and Dora have not had much character development in a while. This has been a complaint of mine for a while, never felt like expressing it until now because the levels of new characters had gotten to the point of hindering the comic for me. Just an opinion though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 26 Aug 2014, 06:39
Wow. 24-ish hours gone, three pages of discussion/rant/whatever.

On comic: Not telling Faye about Dora's decision is probably OK for the moment. Faye has enough on her plate to worry about, and this would probably only compound it.

By the same token, Faye should be informed of this. Preferably from Marten or Dora. Why? Well, Dora is doing this because dumping emotional baggage on someone you love, regardless of whether the feeling is reciprocated, is not cool. I still stand by my belief that Dora is doing the right thing in the worst possible way, but since she is doing it anyway, it should be done properly at least. By telling Faye why she is doing this, Faye can give her thoughts on whether Dora is doing the right thing or not.

Edit: Hearing this from a third person (or worse still, Sven), would be more damaging than anything. Thoughts that spring to mind would be that this is somehow her fault, which would be like taking out key support struts in a mineshaft. Crushing damage included.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: dawolf on 26 Aug 2014, 07:16
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!

I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.

First time poster here as well.

I don't understand why what Sven's done (right now) is so bad. Dora states..."you know everything Sven's done."

What has he done, to Dora?

Been more popular than her (not his fault)
Been the target for her girlfriends (not his fault)
Slept around (how does that hurt Dora? It's questionable if it even hurts the women in question, depending on whether he's being honest with them)
Gone out with Faye (not a problem)
Cheated on Faye (his fault - and the mistake)
Realised he made a mistake and told Faye he loves her (questionable whether this is even a problem, and nothing to do with Dora).

He also

Acted like a gentleman towards Hannelore
Helped Dora get over Marten
Gave Dora a place to stay when she left Marten

Why does she think he's such a bad guy?

The problem here is that Dora has unrealistic expectations of other people. They have to meet her perceived value of perfect to be ok.

Sven's a more likeable (and less toxic) character IMO....
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 26 Aug 2014, 07:33
Well he also manipulated Marten into lying to an ex-girlfriend when they met. She didn't have a great opinion of him, so there's probably some manipulation or at least lack-of-communication leading to Sven and the women he hooks up with having different ideas of what they want.

I definitely agree that since he cheated on Faye and had the intern who moonlighted as a conscience he's been a decent person. I even think that if he had told Faye he loved her for the purposes of being able to move on, rather than truly expecting it to break up her relationship regardless of what Faye wants, it wouldn't have been a 'bad' act. Even with those expectations it reads better to me than, say, weaseling his way into their social group on the off chance he could take advantage of Faye's physical attraction to him in a drunk or emotionally compromised moment.

Dora has a lot of issues tied to having to work hard to get where she is and not always thinking she's doing well, while her brother has coasted on charisma and producing low quality music. They both think the same way though, cause Sven did truly think his confession would work, cause everything just works for him.

I think more communication should happen before she commits to this decision, at least with her therapist. I'd also like it if Faye and Dora were a bit more forthcoming not because their lives are quote "any of the other's business" end-quote, but because when shit like this is hidden it tends to get revealed in messy ways and as friends they should be able to discuss things.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 26 Aug 2014, 09:14
Damn. I am proud that I made the thread this week. I know it has nothing to do with me whatsoever, but newbs out of every conceivable piece of wood work, mod warnings, multi-paragraph arguments! It's just lovely. Though I am slightly disturbed by the sheer rage against violence amongst friends in here. If you can't have a fist fight in a parking lot with your best friend that would make Tyler Durden from Fight Club wince and suggest you might be going too far THEN still be best friends seconds after finishing the fight, you might need to reevaluate the magic of friendship in your life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Aug 2014, 09:36
Most people find casual violence and violence as a response to anger or irritation unacceptable. Having seen the consequences of the normalisation of violence as a response to not getting what you want, or being annoyed at something, first hand in my own life and in my career, I can completely understand. Rough-housing is one thing. Smacking a friend round the head because you don't like something they did is another.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 26 Aug 2014, 10:32
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!

I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.

I'd like to add to this that at the end of his meeting with Faye, Sven seem reluctant to doing it but actually seemed somewhat accepting of her decision (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2745), even though he wasn't terribly happy with it.  And even though in his meeting with Steve (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2756) he was a little bit bitter and "whiny" about it, he still made no indication that he planned to cross further boundaries.
This is what I was trying (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30064.msg1262076.html#msg1262076) to say but I think you worded it better.

The only thing Faye truly has to be upset about is the blatant deception the two of them are engaged in, since it sort of implies that at least one of them doesn't believe she will react favourably so they're lying and hiding instead of being honest. The trouble is that Faye is more likely to react badly to the dishonesty than to the original situation and that won't go down easily at all…

Yes, especially from Marten and Dora. At least they don't live together all three anymore, that would make this interesting.

Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?

Because Marten is also her good friend and is likely to provide a more level-headed response than Faye is.

I also strongly disagree with this idea that people are throwing around that Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business, and Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's.  They're not just coworkers - they're also close friends.  In that sense, of course something like that would be the business of the other, in the sense that they'd each be concerned about the other's well being. It's not to say that either are obligated to share that information with the other, but let's not pretend that either situation wouldn't have an impact on the other person.

I agree with the second part of your post, but regarding Marten- still, why at CoD, in front of Faye, and then ask for it to be secret? If she's going to keep it a secret (see below), she should have waited for Faye's break or talked to Marten aside or something, although those would have interfered with her fake happy thing.
Wow. 24-ish hours gone, three pages of discussion/rant/whatever.

On comic: Not telling Faye about Dora's decision is probably OK for the moment. Faye has enough on her plate to worry about, and this would probably only compound it.

By the same token, Faye should be informed of this. Preferably from Marten or Dora. Why? Well, Dora is doing this because dumping emotional baggage on someone you love, regardless of whether the feeling is reciprocated, is not cool. I still stand by my belief that Dora is doing the right thing in the worst possible way, but since she is doing it anyway, it should be done properly at least. By telling Faye why she is doing this, Faye can give her thoughts on whether Dora is doing the right thing or not.

Edit: Hearing this from a third person (or worse still, Sven), would be more damaging than anything. Thoughts that spring to mind would be that this is somehow her fault, which would be like taking out key support struts in a mineshaft. Crushing damage included.
Yeah, that. I understand delaying telling a bit may be for the best- she hasn't spoken to Sven or her parents yet, after all- but not telling Faye or letting a third party won't go well.

Also, regarding how rational anger at Dora would be: Faye didn't seem to take the situation as all (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2755) that bad (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2770). Eventually, she's going to find out that a conversation that was just annoying, if a bit disconcerting based on timing, to her led to Dora estranging herself. That would be probably pretty confusing and pissing-off to find out.

I don't know. If I exchange words with someone, I generally don't expect to later find out that their family estranged them based on me.

Well he also manipulated Marten into lying to an ex-girlfriend when they met. She didn't have a great opinion of him, so there's probably some manipulation or at least lack-of-communication leading to Sven and the women he hooks up with having different ideas of what they want.

While kinda shitty, I wouldn't call this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=669) manipulation (and I think we can place the kick (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=676) in 'the comic used to be more physical' category).

Although I guess we may be looking at manipulation differently. I'd say mine is close to the wikipedia summary.
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I mostly agree, so +1, and also I will stick here that I don't think much can/has happened off screen. The comic tends to be pretty linear, and as someone said, that would be bad storytelling, especially if Dora confirms stuff happened off screen all in a big speech bubble to Marten or something. I don't see it happening
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 26 Aug 2014, 10:47
First time poster, here. Hi everyone!

I've honestly been a little taken aback by the responses about Sven's confession. I don't see how its an awful thing to do at all. He didn't try to force or coerce her into doing anything, but gave her information she would need to make a choice, which she did (even if it wasn't the decision Sven wanted her to make). The idea that a grown woman just shouldn't be able to make the choice herself seems...odd to me.

First time poster here as well.

I don't understand why what Sven's done (right now) is so bad. Dora states..."you know everything Sven's done."

What has he done, to Dora?

Been more popular than her (not his fault)
Been the target for her girlfriends (not his fault)
Slept around (how does that hurt Dora? It's questionable if it even hurts the women in question, depending on whether he's being honest with them)
Gone out with Faye (not a problem)
Cheated on Faye (his fault - and the mistake)
Realised he made a mistake and told Faye he loves her (questionable whether this is even a problem, and nothing to do with Dora).

He also

Acted like a gentleman towards Hannelore
Helped Dora get over Marten
Gave Dora a place to stay when she left Marten

Why does she think he's such a bad guy?

The problem here is that Dora has unrealistic expectations of other people. They have to meet her perceived value of perfect to be ok.

Sven's a more likeable (and less toxic) character IMO....

Yes! Thank you. How exactly is Sven a "toxic" or even bad person? Dora's issues with him are hers and hers alone.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 26 Aug 2014, 11:52
IMO it would help to be clear about the Sven/Faye interaction. Separating the "Sven burdened Faye with his feelings for her while she's in a relationship" from "Faye was feeling particularly torn-up about her relationship" is kind of important.

As far as I could tell Sven did *not* intentionally wait until a time when Faye was vulnerable and spring this on her when he knew she was weak. It looks to me like this was Author-Induced Bad Timing For Dramatic Purposes (there must be a Trope for this).

It seems like Dora might be conflating the two ( the way it seems like some people here are ;) ) and is (again IMO) overreacting. Perhaps she's doing so because of years of her own baggage filled up by Sven pulling stuff like this in the past, and in this case for once it was not his intention.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 26 Aug 2014, 11:53
I don't even find the highly-sitcomish hiding-in-the-bathroom arc to be that horrible an indicator of Sven's character. Sure, he was cheating on a girl, but come on, that's a thing that happens. And there was no indication that he and Genevieve were more than a pretty casual hookup.

Roping Marten into helping him out? OK, not really Marten's sort of thing, but not exactly beyond the pale, either.

If one person comes off like a lunatic in that arc, it's Faye. Especially her line "You should apologize to people you've genuinely hurt, like Genevieve"...I feel like Sven's proper response to that would have been "Um, you have no idea what my situation with Genevieve was like. If you want me to feel bad for getting your former Man-Bitch who's now railing my sister involved, fine. But you're in no position to judge what happened with G."

And then she goes along to the hospital just to throw in a few more insults and muttered acrimony. Pretty lame.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bob of the South on 26 Aug 2014, 12:06
 Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Aug 2014, 12:06
Not in the QC universe.

Perhaps not. But it's still retarded.


Global Moderator Comment Apparently time for a reminder that this is private property and crude insults to the host show a lack of self-control and a lack of awareness that actions have consequences. Insulting millions of people with a medical problem at the same time is unwelcome too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rubick on 26 Aug 2014, 12:13
I kind of feel the actions of all involved are understandable, even if I personally disagree with then.

Also, a key point - while we can all dive deep into this and approach every angle, Dora got hit with this out of the blue and as we have all experienced, emotions can sometimes lead us to make decisions rashly and based off, say, pent-up resentment for a brother over the years. I think the timeline is that she found out about this last evening and it's now tomorrow morning.

As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 26 Aug 2014, 12:20
I don't even find the highly-sitcomish hiding-in-the-bathroom arc to be that horrible an indicator of Sven's character. Sure, he was cheating on a girl, but come on, that's a thing that happens. And there was no indication that he and Genevieve were more than a pretty casual hookup.


Cheating isn't just 'a thing that happens'. It is an active action, to be taken responsibility for. Additionally, you, too, don't know that they WEREN'T more than a casual hookup. You're jumping to just as many conclusions.

If one person comes off like a lunatic in that arc, it's Faye. Especially her line "You should apologize to people you've genuinely hurt, like Genevieve"...I feel like Sven's proper response to that would have been "Um, you have no idea what my situation with Genevieve was like. If you want me to feel bad for getting your former Man-Bitch who's now railing my sister involved, fine. But you're in no position to judge what happened with G."

And then she goes along to the hospital just to throw in a few more insults and muttered acrimony. Pretty lame.

So expecting people to minimize the harm they've evidently done to others is now 'coming off as a lunatic'. Hokay.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 26 Aug 2014, 12:35
Hey. Hey guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugebzq3juE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Chelicerate on 26 Aug 2014, 12:49
Plenty relaxed. I ENJOY this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Aug 2014, 12:50
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.

One of the most insightful posts in the history of the comic section.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 26 Aug 2014, 13:11
Why would Dora tell this to Marten, probably Faye's closest friend, in CoD while Faye's there and tell him not to tell her?
Why tell Marten at all?

Because Marten is also her good friend and is likely to provide a more level-headed response than Faye is.

I also strongly disagree with this idea that people are throwing around that Sven hitting on Faye is none of Dora's business, and Dora cutting Sven out of her life is none of Faye's.  They're not just coworkers - they're also close friends.  In that sense, of course something like that would be the business of the other, in the sense that they'd each be concerned about the other's well being. It's not to say that either are obligated to share that information with the other, but let's not pretend that either situation wouldn't have an impact on the other person.

I agree with the second part of your post, but regarding Marten- still, why at CoD, in front of Faye, and then ask for it to be secret? If she's going to keep it a secret (see below), she should have waited for Faye's break or talked to Marten aside or something, although those would have interfered with her fake happy thing.

Oh, I actually have a really good answer for that. It's because I completely missed the bolded part of your post and was responding just to the "Why tell Marten at all?" part.  Sorry about that!  Yeah, that was weird timing on Dora's part.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 26 Aug 2014, 13:28
We had Dorapocalypse. What'll we call this one? Svenageddon(outahere)?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 26 Aug 2014, 13:34
I don't even find the highly-sitcomish hiding-in-the-bathroom arc to be that horrible an indicator of Sven's character. Sure, he was cheating on a girl, but come on, that's a thing that happens. And there was no indication that he and Genevieve were more than a pretty casual hookup.


Cheating isn't just 'a thing that happens'. It is an active action, to be taken responsibility for. Additionally, you, too, don't know that they WEREN'T more than a casual hookup. You're jumping to just as many conclusions.

Well, actually, later strips established that Sven had never been in a serious relationship, so "casual hook-up" is probably pretty on the mark. And yes, of course, it's an active action that a good person takes responsibility for. But it's also not a sign of toxicity. And more to the point, I'm pretty sure my sister doesn't hold it against me that, eight years ago, I cheated on someone she'd never even met.

If one person comes off like a lunatic in that arc, it's Faye. Especially her line "You should apologize to people you've genuinely hurt, like Genevieve"...I feel like Sven's proper response to that would have been "Um, you have no idea what my situation with Genevieve was like. If you want me to feel bad for getting your former Man-Bitch who's now railing my sister involved, fine. But you're in no position to judge what happened with G."

And then she goes along to the hospital just to throw in a few more insults and muttered acrimony. Pretty lame.
So expecting people to minimize the harm they've evidently done to others is now 'coming off as a lunatic'. Hokay.

The point here is that none of it was Faye's business, and this particular epoch of the comic was Faye in full-on self-righteous mode.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 26 Aug 2014, 14:05
Man, I just can't figure out how to properly format quoted text. I'm sure y'all can see which part is mine and which part is Chelicerate's, but still. Mods, help!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Aug 2014, 14:15
We had Dorapocalypse. What'll we call this one? Svenageddon(outahere)?
RagnaSven?
Svenarok?
GötterdämmeSven?
The Svenoning?
The Bianchianing?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 26 Aug 2014, 14:26
CatastroFaye?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 26 Aug 2014, 14:27
We had Dorapocalypse. What'll we call this one? Svenageddon(outahere)?
RagnaSven?
Svenarok?
GötterdämmeSven?
The Svenoning?
The Bianchianing?

If this extends to next week, I think we found our next poll.

(My vote is totally for the Bianchianing.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Aug 2014, 14:51
Man, I just can't figure out how to properly format quoted text. I'm sure y'all can see which part is mine and which part is Chelicerate's, but still. Mods, help!

I've sorted it - basically the issue is that if you split a quote, you have to copy the "quote author" part again at the start of the second section of the quote, because you closed the quote after the first part to respond.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 26 Aug 2014, 15:30
The Svens of Castamere?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Aug 2014, 15:32
The Sven-d of the World as We Know It.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 26 Aug 2014, 15:34
The S(e)ven Signs
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 26 Aug 2014, 15:36
I go away from the forum for a day, come back to 4 more pages on Dora/Sven...
Why did I read through them all? :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:


(I cast my vote for Svenageddon)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 26 Aug 2014, 16:18
The Sven-d of the World as We Know It.
And I feel fine.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Bob of the South on 26 Aug 2014, 17:25
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.

One of the most insightful posts in the history of the comic section.

I feel so inexplicably warm and fuzzy inside now.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Aug 2014, 17:30
I'm late to the party - trying a new schedule after getting home from work - but I think this is Dora having a disconnect from reality.

Believe it or not, I think she needs Tai to give  her a clue-by-four about how she's "handling" Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Aug 2014, 17:46
I kind of feel the actions of all involved are understandable, even if I personally disagree with then.

Yes, Jeph's pretty good at that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Aug 2014, 18:00
Believe it or not, I think she needs Tai to give  her a clue-by-four about how she's "handling" Sven.
Yes, but that would make sense, wouldn't it. And it might end up with Tai seeing a side of Dora that she might wish she never saw.

The problem here is that amongst the cast, the Trio in particular, no one is really effective at communicating how they're feeling. Each has made overtures about their respective issues but in most cases, they usually backtrack before they can make progress. It's that kind of behaviour that keeps them sabotaging themselves. Indeed, Faye, who seemingly had the worst issues at the beginning of the comic, has made strides but is yet still unable to be really open with people about how she's feeling. Faye is incredibly worried about her relationship with Angus and then gets this ridiculous proclamation from Sven and the only person she's had any real meaningful talk with is Marten, and even then she most likely had to drink half a bottle of wine to get to that point. At this stage, it's not so much the steamer captain is aiming the boat towards Niagra Falls, but more like he's half cut and making "vroom vroom" noises while spinning the ship's wheel.

Of course, there's Marten, a man so laid back, doormats take offence when he's compared to them. He's so unassertive that all he does is mope and complain about his lot when he gets jerked around (and not the good kind either. Why oh why, Delilah.) It's gotten to the point where Marten doesn't really know what he really wants any more. Which does lead to him blowing things out of proportion, notable most recently with Emily's peck to the cheek.

Lastly, we have Dora and well, there's been entire papers written about Dora so there's not much point rehashing what's been said.

Cue loads of mix ups, misunderstandings, arguments and things being said along with events occurring.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: celticgeek on 26 Aug 2014, 18:18
And Mieville adds to the drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 26 Aug 2014, 18:21
And the poor kitteh was just trying to be a good hunter and get rid of rodents.  Dora doesn't appreciate Mieville's efforts!  What a horrible person (incoherent raging and foaming).

Good thing it seems as though the whole thing is looking more like Dora thought at least some things through and wasn't just acting out of impulse.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 18:22
Dora's starting to look a lot better, I think. Especially since she clarified that her not telling Faye was for Faye's sake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 26 Aug 2014, 18:24
I get the feeling that not talking to Tai is going to come back and bite someone in the ass.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 26 Aug 2014, 18:31
Yay today is less crazy. Not the best plan necessarily but still, improvement.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Aug 2014, 18:31
By the way, I wrote my last post before the new comic appeared.

I really hope Tai gives all FOUR of them a "boot to the head!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 26 Aug 2014, 18:33
I think Dora's reasoning in panel one of today's comic is sound.  Faye has some shit going on, and would totally get all involved in the Bianchi situation, regardless of her own stress load.  Not so sold on panel 3-4 reasoning, though. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 26 Aug 2014, 18:39
Er...so because she and Marten have drama going on (awkwardness? tension? whatever?) he's somehow a better option to talk about this?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 18:40
Because Dora thinks Marten can handle it right now, and she needs to tell someone. I get it, and from how Marten's reacting, he does too. At least she acknowledges that her reason for not telling Tai is selfish.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mawile on 26 Aug 2014, 18:41
I guess this is a bit off-topic, but I just wanted to drop in and say that I think Dora's right hand looks really great in panel 4.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 18:43
It's directly about the comic, so it's not off-topic at all! In fact, it's probably less off-topic than a lot of what goes on in these threads.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 26 Aug 2014, 18:50
I don't blame her for not wanting to tell Tai. I've been in that position where my girlfriend was the only sane drama free part of my life and I wanted to keep it that way. Eventually you have to let your partner in on the less pleasant parts of your life if you want to have a life together, but the desire to keep them away from it is understandable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 26 Aug 2014, 18:55
Er...so because she and Marten have drama going on (awkwardness? tension? whatever?) he's somehow a better option to talk about this?

I think it's more a case of how hard it is to be embarrassed about stuff while talking to someone you've seen naked.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 26 Aug 2014, 19:03
Meow
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 26 Aug 2014, 19:24
You just think Mieville can do no wrong, don't you? I see how it is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 26 Aug 2014, 19:29
He's a cat.  Cats can never do wrong, as they are gods, and by definition, right in all that they do.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 19:31
Oh that is just ridiculous. Gods are wrong all the time. You do cats a disservice by lumping them in with mere gods.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ASB84 on 26 Aug 2014, 20:09
Honestly, I think recent events have made me realize that the main trio of characters (Marten, Faye, and Dora) are capable of forgiving themselves and each other of everything while condemning others for much less. It's understandable among friends, but annoyingly cliquish.

Absolutely agree, well-put.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 26 Aug 2014, 21:41
"I must confess ... that I rather thought ... you had enough responsibility to be going on with"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 22:01
I'm really confused, but maybe that's because I keep expecting "I must confess..." to be followed with "...that my loneliness...is killing me now"

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Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Aug 2014, 22:19
OK, had to look up New Rocks (https://www.google.com/search?q=New+Rocks&client=firefox-a&hs=oOX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tmn9U-DRN_jLsATHzICIDA&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=631).   




...thought for a minute it might be a breakfast cereal or something. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 22:22
Now I'm even more confused, what do those have to do with anything?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Aug 2014, 22:24
Mieville barfed up a mousehead in Dora's New Rocks. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 22:27
Oh, I guess I missed that line. To anyone who doesn't want to click, they're boots.

Can someone explain Tuba's post, though?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 26 Aug 2014, 22:41
OK, had to look up New Rocks (https://www.google.com/search?q=New+Rocks&client=firefox-a&hs=oOX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tmn9U-DRN_jLsATHzICIDA&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=631).   




...thought for a minute it might be a breakfast cereal or something.
Jennie Breeden wears those boots, IIRC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 26 Aug 2014, 22:43
It's a line from towards the end of the fifth harry potter book

(click to show/hide)

Basically the point is that withholding info can end up biting you in the ass and cause worse hurt feelings than if you had been more forthcoming in the first place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 22:48
Oh. Why didn't you say all that back then? :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Aug 2014, 23:02
We're supposed to get the references, I guess. 


Or at least it's nice to pretend that we would.  This happens all the time IRL, so why not here? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2014, 23:04
Yeah, but IRL you'd say "huh?" and it would be explained immediately.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 26 Aug 2014, 23:28
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is.  I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Aug 2014, 00:04
"These boots were made for barfin'"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 27 Aug 2014, 00:14
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is.  I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."


... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: dsvella on 27 Aug 2014, 00:23
**Blows dust off account**

*cough*

testing psyduck  :psyduck:

OK!
Been lurking for a while but after this weeks WCDT i have decided i need to make my voice heard.

A few points:
1. I am loving the art lately, the lack of borders and some of the drawing is real nice.
2. I don't think i have ever seen so much arguing so early into a week (seriously 6 pages).
3. For what its worth i can understand Dora's position. She has had enough with Sven's shit and faces a decision; either put up with it because he is unlikly to change or don't deal with him. Honestly though i look foreward to the upcoming 'talk' with the parents about this as i suspect that they will see this as a serious issue that they neeed to intervene in.

I may have to comment more often.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 27 Aug 2014, 00:57
I get the feeling that not talking to Tai is going to come back and bite someone in the ass.
At the library, Tai says to Marten that Dora's been a bit odd over the past couple of days, and Marten says something that gives the game away.  Tai then gets caught up in the drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 27 Aug 2014, 01:31
Quote from: Dora
I'm cutting him out of my life as entirely as I possibly can!
Let us look at the meaning and the implications.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 27 Aug 2014, 05:54
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is.  I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."


... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.

Marten managed to get out 1.5 sentences before being shut down, and only said it was a bit extreme, which isn't really a condemnation as much as it is a description of how intense an action it is to take. I doubt Tai or Faye would say as little if told.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Aug 2014, 06:00
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FayeDouble on 27 Aug 2014, 06:06
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.

Eh, it's part of having a cat. I mean what Mieville did WAS pretty far above on the ewwww factor, but cats do catch stuff. My kitty brought me a dead mole this morning to show off. Look what I did mommy! Since we partially got her to be a hunter and keep the mice away, I praised her and told her she was a good girl and let her play with it a while before I tossed it out so she wouldn't eat it. She eats bugs she catches fast but the moles she plays with first, lol. Silly kitty.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Aug 2014, 06:08
I was joking.

Because of the hilariously over the top arguments about Sven that were occurring.

MIEVILLE IS A NASTY BASTARD AND HIS DADDY SAID SO
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FayeDouble on 27 Aug 2014, 06:10
I was joking.

Because of the hilariously over the top arguments about Sven that were occurring.

MIEVILLE IS A NASTY BASTARD AND HIS DADDY SAID SO

Oh, I know. It was just the perfect opportunity to talk about my kitty.
WHICH I LOVE TO DO.

But yeah, I stayed out of the crazy arguments. I prefer to just scroll and read when those occur.
Besides, Sven is one of my fave characters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 27 Aug 2014, 06:33
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.

It's why I'm a dog person.

Because of Mieville.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 07:00
I just want to add that Mieville is clearly a toxic scumbag who should be cut out of all of our lives.
At last! Someone finally gets to the truth and revealed that little fecker for what he truly is!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 07:07
But Mieville is always so supportive of murder plots. How can that be a bad thing?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 07:30
Because Mieville is always the one suggesting murder. And he's always stoned on catnip, always wanting to watch the sync-up between Dark Side of the Moon and the Wizard of Oz.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 08:45
Oh sure, use his substance abuse against him. Addiction is a disease.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 09:06
Oh please, the cat is a psychopath plain and simple, he's only using the addiction as an excuse to act like an asshole.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LeeC on 27 Aug 2014, 09:07
Perhaps I havn't read as much but how is Sven really in her life that she can cut out.  They go about their own lives and he rarely sees his sister as far as I can tell and they don't talk on the phone all the time.  If anything her reactions are internalized feelings that she has to deal with.  Cutting him out of her life will not change anything as far as I can tell.  Perhaps just thinking she is will help ease her mind of all the stress she puts on herself about him?  She should see her or a therapist on dealing with her brother in a healthy way because this is all in her head and has been.

as for the Mieville situation...I would not want to anger the cat overlords.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 09:32
He is a faithful and loving companion. Sure he may suggest murder as a solution to see interpersonal conflicts, but he's a cat. It's a cultural difference. His heart is in the right place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 09:45
See, that's your mistake right there. Cats don't have hearts, just pure, solidified hatred pumping vitriolic ichor through their veins.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rubick on 27 Aug 2014, 10:35


As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."

ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Aug 2014, 10:41


As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."

ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Wait, are you Froglord?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 10:45
Cats are manifestations of the divine. They are the universe condensed into a tiny furry form.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 11:05
The only thing Divine about cats inolves Dante's Comedy. Spawn of the devil they are. Pure evil condensed into a tiny furry form of evilness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 27 Aug 2014, 11:08
That which is done by a cat always takes place beyond good and evil (apologies to Nietzsche).  Plus, their cuteness excuses them of pretty much everything.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 27 Aug 2014, 11:10
Cats are the universe, in that they do what they're going to do and it's up to us to figure out how to interact productively with them or stay out of the way. Dogs have to be considered individually.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rubick on 27 Aug 2014, 11:32


As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."

ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Wait, are you Froglord?

I'm whatever you want me to be.

Provided it's a lord.

That's mandatory.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 11:38
Cats are the universe, in that they do what they're going to do and it's up to us to figure out how to interact productively with them or stay out of the way.
Precisely. Therein lies their majesty and their appeal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 12:10
Bah! Cat cultists everywhere. You've all been brainwashed by those flagitious felines!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 12:21
Nah, I just have respect for beings that have their own identity and sense of self independent of others. That and they are adorable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 27 Aug 2014, 12:58
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is.  I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."

... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.

Marten managed to get out 1.5 sentences before being shut down, and only said it was a bit extreme, which isn't really a condemnation as much as it is a description of how intense an action it is to take. I doubt Tai or Faye would say as little if told.

yeah.  perhaps I should have said "would actually (be able to) talk me out of it."  Marten's no more capable of that than a bowl of custard.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Aug 2014, 13:08


As for not telling Faye - well, obviously I can't guess Jeph's thinking, but I read it as Dora thinking "Faye has a lot of shit going on in her own life, without potentially feeling guilty over causing a familial divide."

ALL HAIL THE PSYCHIC LORD
Wait, are you Froglord?
Froglord is the ancient ancestor of Hypnotoad.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 27 Aug 2014, 16:41
Beware Cats bearing gifts?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Boradis on 27 Aug 2014, 17:20
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?

Why the fuck should Marten give a fuck if Faye finds out?

Jeph, you're really reaching for your drama these days. If you're going to use the hackneyed trope of keeping secrets from each other, you have to at least make it secrets that matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 27 Aug 2014, 18:46
Geez, what's up with all the haters on webcomics all of a sudden?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 18:48
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?
Because Faye might not appreciate being handled with kid-gloves, especially in a situation that involves her. Because her ex "fuck-buddy" has now been cut out of his sister's life because Sven told Faye he loved her. Let's not forget that pre-Talk Faye was rather prone to let her fists do the talking, far more than afterwards at least. Old habits are quite easy to slip back into.

Why the fuck should Marten give a fuck if Faye finds out?
Probably because he lives with Faye. Probably because Faye is his best friend and Dora is his ex, but still a close friend. Probably because if Faye did find out that Dora, and by extension, Marten were having this conversation, Marten mind end up on a receiving end of a Savannah Slammah.

Jeph, you're really reaching for your drama these days. If you're going to use the hackneyed trope of keeping secrets from each other, you have to at least make it secrets that matter.
This isn't reaching for drama, this is typical Dora acting out and making something about her, insinuating herself into the problem of others.* And this isn't the drama, this is quite possibly the spark to the trail of gunpowder leading to the giant bundle of dynamite and other high power explosives.


*I would like to leave this little caveat that I do like Dora because her issues are somewhat relatable as someone who is a younger sibling to a more successful older sibling.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 27 Aug 2014, 18:51
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?

Why the fuck should Marten give a fuck if Faye finds out?

Jeph, you're really reaching for your drama these days. If you're going to use the hackneyed trope of keeping secrets from each other, you have to at least make it secrets that matter.

Keeps it true to life, IMHO. Honestly, now: when's the last time you overheard someone's drama* and said, "Well, that's a perfectly rational thing to get irrationally worked up over!" Don't know about you, but if I see someone getting their blood pressure up over something that really isn't worth it, I try to talk them down a bit. That's likely where this arc is going (or should, if you ask me**); Dora has an argument with Sven, or Faye, or both, and either realizes or is told in no uncertain terms that it's not quite her business one way or the other.

*As opposed to things where freaking out is legitimate and warranted, which tend to be fewer and farther between.

**I know, you didn't. Play along, dammit.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 27 Aug 2014, 18:58
Geez, what's up with all the haters on webcomics all of a sudden?

What "haters"?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 19:11
WAIT, waitwaitwait! You mean Marten doesn't smell like flowers anymore?!
OH GOD! WHAT WILL WE DO?!
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2woxnOJC91qgcra2o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 27 Aug 2014, 19:12
WAIT, waitwaitwait! You mean Marten doesn't smell like flowers anymore?!
OH GOD! WHAT WILL WE DO?!
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2woxnOJC91qgcra2o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Aug 2014, 19:23
Marten has switched to the new fragrance from Marty McFly Calvin Klein, Eau du Manure.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Boradis on 27 Aug 2014, 19:33
Why the fuck should Faye care what goes on between an ex-fuck buddy she now actively avoids and his sister even though she's her boss?
Because Faye might not appreciate being handled with kid-gloves, especially in a situation that involves her. Because her ex "fuck-buddy" has now been cut out of his sister's life because Sven told Faye he loved her. Let's not forget that pre-Talk Faye was rather prone to let her fists do the talking, far more than afterwards at least. Old habits are quite easy to slip back into.


My point is, this doesn't involve anyone who's not in their family. At all. In the slightest. If I decided to cut off all relations with my sister it wouldn't affect my relationships with my friends, or her relationships with her friends at all. In fact it would be none of their business.

I mean sure I might want to talk it over with them for advice, get some emotional support. But it wouldn't impact their lives directly. At all. It would be a private family matter. And her exes? They would give even less of a shit.

Now I know Dora is a drama queen who thinks the world revolves around her issues, and Marten is a spineless milksop who treats anything said by a person with boobs with deadly earnestness. But in actuality if Dora stopped talking to her brother it wouldn't impact anyone but their immediate family. None of the core cast even deals with Sven on a regular basis or has him as an integral part of their life.

Hell, when was the last time before this new Faye thing that Dora and Sven even shared a strip together? Months? Years? Have they seemed upset by this? Has anyone noticed at all?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Aug 2014, 20:10
Marten treats everyone's problems seriously, not just women's. He's a good guy who actually cares about other people. That doesn't make him spineless.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: billydaking on 27 Aug 2014, 21:49
My point is, this doesn't involve anyone who's not in their family. At all. In the slightest. If I decided to cut off all relations with my sister it wouldn't affect my relationships with my friends, or her relationships with her friends at all. In fact it would be none of their business.

So? Does that mean Dora can't tell the people who are actually closest to her in her life about a major life decision?

Some friends are the family we choose, and we tell them everything going on in our lives, including family matters. Especially when those family matters affect our mutual circle of friends (in this case, Sven's dealings with their mutual close friend Faye).

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I mean sure I might want to talk it over with them for advice, get some emotional support. But it wouldn't impact their lives directly. At all. It would be a private family matter. And her exes? They would give even less of a shit.

So Marten is just an ex? Marten and Dora were friends before their relationship, and that friendship was strong enough to survive a bad breakup. Who else is Dora going to get emotional support from (which is exactly what Dora is doing here)? Tai? Their relationship is still new and tentative, and its Dora's first commitment after her breakup with Marten. Faye? She's cutting off ties with her brother partially because of how he's treated Faye in the past year (yes, a year; remember that time in the comic moves extremely slow compared to real time). Hanners? They've hung out, but they've never been all that close. Penny? Collette? They're just employees. Jim? Same situation as Tai, except even less so.

Marten's a close friend, and has remained so even after their romantic relationship fell apart. He's exactly the kind of friend you share this information with. He's also proven to be a good listener with people he cares about, no matter how remotely.

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Now I know Dora is a drama queen who thinks the world revolves around her issues, and Marten is a spineless milksop who treats anything said by a person with boobs with deadly earnestness. But in actuality if Dora stopped talking to her brother it wouldn't impact anyone but their immediate family. None of the core cast even deals with Sven on a regular basis or has him as an integral part of their life.

Until Sven decides to become one, like he's done with Faye. Dora's and Marten's closest friend.

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Hell, when was the last time before this new Faye thing that Dora and Sven even shared a strip together? Months? Years? Have they seemed upset by this? Has anyone noticed at all?

People noticed, kinda like how they notice with other minor characters who have an affect on the characters' lives, like Marten's mother (hey, another family member!)

Shortly after Angus and Faye got together, Sven took Hanners out on a pretend date back in 1755 to 1770. Dora wasn't thrilled (and neither was Faye), and told him point black. During that story, Sven realized he wasn't over Faye yet, but couldn't understand why.

Even if they haven't shared a strip together that much since the Sven-Faye storyline, many of Dora's issues come out of her rocky lifelong relationship with her brother, which she admitted to her therapist in 2170. She went to talk to him about it in 2192, when she found out that Sven hadn't had sex for months and was starting to reevaluate himself. (The interns were introduced just a few strips later, to put it in story context.)

Since then, Sven laid low by his own choice, moping around. That's why he hasn't been around. In the meantime, Dora, Faye, Marten, and the others moved on with their lives. Now, after his own imposed hermititude, Sven's decided that he loves Faye, and in his self-centered way, bulldozes his way into Faye's life. And thus everybody else's again.

Yes, it's been a long time since we've seen Sven in an active storyline. But that's the kind of character he is.  Just because they're not actively in the strip doesn't mean that they still don't have an affect on the other characters, especially when the backstory was actually told in the strip, and it also doesn't mean they can't simply slip back into the story when driven by their own decisions. People only completely disappear when they move (like Steve's first girlfriend) or get eaten by allosaurus. That's what happens when you have an ensemble strip that's been running for more than a decade. Sven will always be part of Dora's life, no matter how much she tries to cut him out, and he's got two strong connections to two of the three major original characters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 27 Aug 2014, 22:30
"No, I'm avoiding mentioning this to anyone who might tell me what an awful idea it is.  I mean, sure, I'm telling you, but that's because you have a noodle for a spine and all you'll do is whinge ineffectually at me for a while."


... except he did tell her what an awful idea it is.

Marten managed to get out 1.5 sentences before being shut down, and only said it was a bit extreme, which isn't really a condemnation as much as it is a description of how intense an action it is to take. I doubt Tai or Faye would say as little if told.

I must be spineless too, because I found Marten's response to be perfectly proportionate.

It's only in comparison to the over the top reactions in here that he seems subdued.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Aug 2014, 23:11
Beware Cats bearing gifts?

Beware cats bearing GIFs :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 27 Aug 2014, 23:30
Beware Cats bearing gifts?

Beware cats bearing GIFs :claireface:

Well done! Well done indeed!  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: dsvella on 27 Aug 2014, 23:54
To the various people arguing about the supposed divine / infernal nature of cats...

You guys are awesome.

That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 28 Aug 2014, 00:18

Keeps it true to life, IMHO. Honestly, now: when's the last time you overheard someone's drama* and said, "Well, that's a perfectly rational thing to get irrationally worked up over!"
Sadly, my total refusal to deal with such shite has had a negative effect on my employment status lately.  By not getting into drama, I basically have ignored most former cow-orkers, and only listened to bosses when they were giving orders.  It doesn't do one well when it comes to "networking" (apparently, there's some sort that doesn't require Cat-5 or wireless).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tova on 28 Aug 2014, 00:42
To the various people arguing about the supposed divine / infernal nature of cats...

Wait. Supposed?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 28 Aug 2014, 01:09


Bah! Cat cultists everywhere. You've all been brainwashed by those flagitious felines!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii

Sleep well.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ASB84 on 28 Aug 2014, 03:11
I think Dora's latest take on the matter is more measured and realistic. I can certainly relate: over the past couple of years, I've had to distance myself, and eventually cut myself off from, someone who used to be a close friend, but in recent times has become a very nasty and petty person who has treated me rather poorly (and in retrospect, was doing that for years before their nastiness really become apparent). So yeah, I can sympathise with Dora...though I would hope that she's spoken to Sven or intends to tell him that she's done with him, and to keep his distance. That's what I did, though it took for a while for the message to sink in. Hopefully - for the sake of a fictional character! - Sven will have more respect for his sister than my former friend did for me.

Having said that though, the arc still bugs me a little. Not because what Sven did with Faye wasn't a bad idea (it was), not because his attitude after being told where to go was out of line (it was), and not because Dora doesn't have the right to distance herself from her brother because she's sick of his crap (she does). It's not even the notion that Dora might be overreacting to second/third hand news (she arguably is, but she's not completely off-base, either).

Again, it's more that it seems like Sven's more redeemable traits have been overlooked/ret-conned out of existence in order to facilitate the current arc. That's why I'm hoping this arc does get a decent run and is explored a bit from both sides rather than being pushed aside, say, for a week of Marigold grossing out Hanners or wacky May hi-jinks.

I guess I want to know whether Sven's previous acts that have shown him to not be a completely terrible person were genuine, and that this is just him handling a situation badly because of his own baggage, or whether it's a case of nope, that was an all act, he truly is an irredeemable jerk. I'm kind of hoping it's the former, as I think the latter is sort of an easy way out, and definitely strips some complexity from the character, for the sake of having an antagonist in the current arc.

Still, if I'm thinking about it that much, connecting to the characters and feeling intrigued...well, I do like that. Good fiction should be able to elicit a response like that. I'm just hoping the twists and turns, and ultimately the conclusion of the story, will offer a satisfying payoff.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 28 Aug 2014, 06:06
I guess I want to know whether Sven's previous acts that have shown him to not be a completely terrible person were genuine, and that this is just him handling a situation badly because of his own baggage, or whether it's a case of nope, that was an all act, he truly is an irredeemable jerk. I'm kind of hoping it's the former, as I think the latter is sort of an easy way out, and definitely strips some complexity from the character, for the sake of having an antagonist in the current arc.

I have to agree with you on this one - that is, I'm thinking it's the first option. 

He has a long way to grow, though. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 28 Aug 2014, 06:10
In real life, things just happen without necessarily being planned. But in QC, I guess things (mostly) happens for a reason, as part of some long term story line or character development. I am just struggling to understand the purpose of the current arc. Sven is portrayed as way more self-centered and socially inept than before, and Dora's reaction is strange, to say the least.

This could be part of Jeph's plan to get rid of Sven (and Angus?) permanently, but I have the feeling this is not the case. There is bound to be some shakeup in the Faye/Marten/Dora department. I guess Tai (and Emily?) will also be involved soon. Veronica and Hanners may be called upon to re-install order.

Has Marten's change of deodorant some deeper significance? Dora is sensitive to odors, and has earlier commented on Tai smelling like Marten (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2221), because Tai (and Faye) borrowed Marten's deodorant (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2218).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 28 Aug 2014, 06:29
I had to google New Rocks. I was thinking: "Is that some breakfast cereal that I've never heard of?"

I think with Sven, he was always pretty much of a douche, if judged by real-world standards, but back in the day, it was treated a bit like Faye's cartoon violence from roughly the same period in QC. Nowadays, Faye doesn't punch people or throw them across the room, Sven comes off like a creep, and Dora's rather reacting the way people might to a family member who isn't very nice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 28 Aug 2014, 06:35
Been there, done that (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30064.msg1262310.html#msg1262310). 

'course, it was two pages ago, and halfway 'round the world.   :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 28 Aug 2014, 08:35
I think with Sven, he was always pretty much of a douche, if judged by real-world standards, but back in the day, it was treated a bit like Faye's cartoon violence from roughly the same period in QC. Nowadays, Faye doesn't punch people or throw them across the room, Sven comes off like a creep, and Dora's rather reacting the way people might to a family member who isn't very nice.

That's a good point.  Once you really start thinking about it, QC has been shifting towards more realism, and has done so slowly enough that it wasn't obvious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smatwafaum on 28 Aug 2014, 08:52
As sad as it is to say, they might both be doing exactly what they need to to be able to move on.

The way I interpret Sven, he's been holding a candle out for Faye for a long time. Its been eating him, the pain and confusion from it keeping him from acting like he used to, no sex in months, things like that. I'm not saying that isn't a good thing, it led to more acceptable behavior, but while that kind of personal entropy can be healthy for awhile; if there is never -closure- to it, it can become just as unhealthy if not worse. Was it at the worst possible time? It really was, but life seldom happens when we'd like it to. It was something he needed to say to be able to move forward in his life. Sven's projected expectations for the outcome of the conversation weren't reasonable but I don't believe he's unaware enough to know that, he needed to hear it to solve the dichotomy between the knowledge that he'd never get back with Faye, and the hope that there was a way.

Sven's douchiness is part of his persona, as a sufferer of severe depression, even when I'm feeling truly terrible I'll still project  a happy face, I've had friends for years that still can't believe I'm depressed because that smile is my armor from it, a personality I can hide behind. I see, or at least hope I see that in Sven. Being a douche is what he knows how to be, he makes his living being a douche. Douchebaggery is something he can throw on over everything else so he can at least have that level of control when the rest of life is out of it.

He also might just be a total butt, but I truly hope this is just part of his road to recovery.  I like Sven in a totally unreasonable fashion.


Dora isn't wrong to be distancing herself, she has too much on her plate to deal with Sven. With her own relationships and workload having a random drama factor with the magnitude on her life that her brother has is terrifying. Its like hearing your GM rolling an extra D20 from time to time and knowing if it lands on 1 SUDDENLY SVENPOCALYPSE. It is hard to function knowing that something like that can come swinging in. Cutting that out could be healthy for her. By making the choice she has that much more control over her life, which isn't a bad thing. It only becomes a bad thing if the behavior goes to an extreme, and she starts abusing that means of keeping order. Everything in balance.

I think it might be healthier for Sven, too, not just in the wake up call type of way(Though that is a factor too.) I don't recall Dora and Sven having a lot of positive interaction, and if Sven really is going to move forward I think he needs positive interaction. Negatives will convey something is wrong, but aren't a replacement for real empathetic guidance.

I could probably flesh out my opinions more, but I already feel kind of rambly. Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 28 Aug 2014, 09:22
Quote from: Dora in QC 2778, Panel 4
She's also the one place in my life WITHOUT crazy drama right now. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2778)
I'm genuinely confused... I guess I don't remember enough storylines, (or maybe it's the compressed timelines vs real life) to know what all the drama is that Dora's referring to.
* She hired Dale and CoD seems to be doing ok(?).
* This Sven thing kinda came out of nowhere, but sure, for her it's a thing.
Anyone wanna help me remember what else is going on that fits in the "my life is filled with crazy drama" category?



Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Aug 2014, 09:32
Dora's life consists of Her home and psycho cat, her circle of friends, her family both of which are involved in the drama bomb. Her work, which is where the drama bomb was dropped and where her friends work. And Tai.  So yeah, in one fell swoop Sven hit her with a lot of crazy drama. Remember that her issues come, indirectly or directly, from growing up with Sven and are bad enough to ruin her relationships and need to seek therapy. Whether it's fair or reasonable, she is seeing Sven as the #1 source of her problems. So it's not all that surprising that she wants to distance herself from what she sees as the source of her pain.

I don't think that's going to work out the way she wants it to. But she's often shown that she is her own worst enemy. And that she rarely acknowledges that fact.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 28 Aug 2014, 09:40
* She hired Dale and CoD seems to be doing ok(?).
* This Sven thing kinda came out of nowhere, but sure, for her it's a thing.
Anyone wanna help me remember what else is going on that fits in the "my life is filled with crazy drama" category?

I imagine that because Dora is self employed and a small business owner, a lot of the time she's not at work, she's still working - taxes, employee wages, insurance for the staff and business, ordering and sorting supplies, doing the books, advertising, generally keeping the business afloat. It's previously been shown that running CoD can be somewhat stressful for Dora (like the time she thought she has in the hole but turns out she just did the maths wrong).

The Sven thing didn't really come out of nowhere, as it's been said several times throughout the comic that Dora felt inferior (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1107) to Sven and she does have some issues with him, given that during one of her first therapy sessions she spent 45 minutes talking about Sven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1878). There's also the realisation that despite every success he's had, Dora is certain that deep down he hates himself (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2170). Which might have a negative effect on his relationship with friends and family.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: crimeodile on 28 Aug 2014, 10:03
Hey all, I'm new here, just registered to say this:

Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?

I mean, I know Dora is supposed to be kind of a controlling person, but for this entire story-arc she's acting as if Sven's behavior is somehow directed at her. Faye pretty much swatted him aside like a normal person and dealt with her feelings in an evening, meanwhile Dora seems insistent on turning this into a drama bomb with herself at the center.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 28 Aug 2014, 10:08


Hey all, I'm new here, just registered to say this:

Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?

You are not crazy to think that.
You may be slightly crazy for hanging out with us, though ;)
Welcome, read the rules and enjoy your stay :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 28 Aug 2014, 11:51
Faye pretty much swatted him aside like a normal person and dealt with her feelings in an evening, meanwhile Dora seems insistent on turning this into a drama bomb with herself at the center.

Faye's relationship with Sven was a few nights in bed with him, purely physical attraction and any chance of mutual respect  and trust blown out of the water by Sven's fling with someone else; Dora has had sibling rivalry and jealousy over Sven getting everything too easily for the whole of her life.

And while she could just be snarky and sarcastic about Sven's latest conquest of some random woman, it's different when he's apparently messing irresponsibly with somebody who's a good friend of hers.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: creatureshock on 28 Aug 2014, 12:41
OK, so I can honestly say how I want this arc to end: With Sven moving away. 

Pick another city to move to and go.  Portland, Austin, Murfreesboro.  Doesn't matter.  Move and be done with it.  And I want it to just be him getting the news about Dora, doing the two finger kiss, and saying "peace, bitches" and that's it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 28 Aug 2014, 12:49
Hey all, I'm new here, just registered to say this:

Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?

I mean, I know Dora is supposed to be kind of a controlling person, but for this entire story-arc she's acting as if Sven's behavior is somehow directed at her. Faye pretty much swatted him aside like a normal person and dealt with her feelings in an evening, meanwhile Dora seems insistent on turning this into a drama bomb with herself at the center.

Actually, I didn't really think about it, but this is kind of reminiscent to when she first found out about Faye and Sven. (1, (http://questionablecontent.net//view.php?comic=1095) 2 (http://questionablecontent.net//view.php?comic=1097)). Except a bit more extreme and a bit less shrieky (so far).

OK, so I can honestly say how I want this arc to end: With Sven moving away. 

Pick another city to move to and go.  Portland, Austin, Murfreesboro.  Doesn't matter.  Move and be done with it.  And I want it to just be him getting the news about Dora, doing the two finger kiss, and saying "peace, bitches" and that's it.

Maybe not Portland. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1919)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 28 Aug 2014, 13:01
But...I live in Portland. Portland is cool. We do have a lot of hipsters though...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 28 Aug 2014, 13:20
Yeah, but you guys just grind them up into chum and sell them to the fisheries anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Aug 2014, 13:23
The problem is an oversupply. The fish can only eat so fast!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 28 Aug 2014, 15:17
Wouldn't that lead to ... Lessee ... Tragically Hip Fish Disease?
(It's like Mad Cow Disease, except, fssshhh, you've never heard of it.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 28 Aug 2014, 15:40
Remember, there is no effective chelation therapy for Flannel. Eat responsibly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 28 Aug 2014, 15:56
I wonder if it was a gift from Claire?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: quix0te on 28 Aug 2014, 16:05
Er...so because she and Marten have drama going on (awkwardness? tension? whatever?) he's somehow a better option to talk about this?
I just shake my head at how Marten seems to be considered 'safe' for discussions that he really doesn't want to have.  (Thinking of Tai here)
I wonder if its because he's perceived as such an invertebrate that nobody can imagine him finding the volition to violate their trust.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: quix0te on 28 Aug 2014, 16:15
In real life, things just happen without necessarily being planned. But in QC, I guess things (mostly) happens for a reason, as part of some long term story line or character development. I am just struggling to understand the purpose of the current arc. Sven is portrayed as way more self-centered and socially inept than before, and Dora's reaction is strange, to say the least.

This could be part of Jeph's plan to get rid of Sven (and Angus?) permanently, but I have the feeling this is not the case. There is bound to be some shakeup in the Faye/Marten/Dora department. I guess Tai (and Emily?) will also be involved soon. Veronica and Hanners may be called upon to re-install order.

Has Marten's change of deodorant some deeper significance? Dora is sensitive to odors, and has earlier commented on Tai smelling like Marten (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2221), because Tai (and Faye) borrowed Marten's deodorant (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2218).
I don't really bother trying to second guess Jeph any more.  I usually ask, "What would I do if this were my plot?" but then I remember, "Pintsize would have never occurred to me and would by now have been relegated to the most minor of characters."  I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around.  It seems pretty apparent that this is supposed to be a bad idea on Dora's part "I don't feel good about this"..."Don't tell Faye.." but how that will manifest itself is unclear.  The most logical outcome is that she and Sven become estranged over this, and its one of those family things where two people don't talk without any clear idea why after the first year.  But thats not a very explosive plot.  She could alienate her parents "What did Sven do?"  "He slept with one of my friends, and then a few months later told her he loved her when she had a boyfriend."    "..... all that then?" but thats similarly yawntastic.  From there its likely we'll have a Dora/Faye or Dora/Tai fireworks display, possibly with somebody mad at Marten because... well, Marten spelled backwards IS Job.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 28 Aug 2014, 16:40
Faye's relationship with Sven was a few nights in bed with him, purely physical attraction and any chance of mutual respect  and trust blown out of the water by Sven's fling with someone else; Dora has had sibling rivalry and jealousy over Sven getting everything too easily for the whole of her life.

And while she could just be snarky and sarcastic about Sven's latest conquest of some random woman, it's different when he's apparently messing irresponsibly with somebody who's a good friend of hers.

Strictly speaking, Faye and Sven were sleeping together for a few months. They had a "one night stand" on Hanner's Birthday, They began banging semi regularly from when Faye tried to sabotage Will and Penolope (1191) until Sven slept with that country singer. (1334) In that time, the season changes to winter, Dora grows her hair out, Sven has an intern, Will goes on a journey of self discovery, etc.. I think they were together for at least three months, maybe more, judging by how long Dora's hair grew.

I do think Dora has a huge sibling complex, and while cutting Sven out of her life doesn't really make any sense in the Sven deliberately makes things difficult for Dora sense, it does make sense in terns of the energy that Dora wastes thinking about Sven and comparing her life to his. However, I'm not sure cutting Sven out of her life will stop Dora from comparing herself to him constantly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Aug 2014, 18:42
Who's going to be the first to Google that? (Not me.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 28 Aug 2014, 18:51
Staying away from Google!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 28 Aug 2014, 18:56
Don't know if Google knows about my innocence, but my results were mostly about actual hot dogs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 28 Aug 2014, 18:58
Musta had safe search turned off.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 28 Aug 2014, 19:21
See, My high school mentor used to say Knowledge is Power all the time. Little did I know what he was referring to the whole time  :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DFTBA on 28 Aug 2014, 19:30
The best result I got for this from Google was someone asking on Yahoo why their penis smelled like a vagina.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 28 Aug 2014, 19:46
I appreciate the break from the drama.  All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 28 Aug 2014, 19:56
Darn kids use google for everything these days. Back in my day, we had to grab a REAL wiener to see what it smelled like!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 28 Aug 2014, 21:18
The last panel reminded me of Schoolhouse Rock!

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 28 Aug 2014, 21:34
... flagitious felines!

You sound like the sort of person who reads the dictionary for fun. (I can respect that.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 28 Aug 2014, 21:52
Sven has kept up with fake psychological research (http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-finds-allconsuming-selfpity-best-way-to-win,36798/).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: michael28 on 28 Aug 2014, 22:56
DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!

I appreciate the break from the drama.  All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.
Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 29 Aug 2014, 00:31
DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!

I appreciate the break from the drama.  All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.
Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.

*hits with choppa*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 29 Aug 2014, 00:42
I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around.
Please, do not insult the pastafarians (http://www.venganza.org/)!
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 29 Aug 2014, 00:45
I suspect he's just throwing spaghetti at the wall on a bi-weekly basis, and whatever seems to stick hangs around.
Please, do not insult the pastafarians (http://www.venganza.org/)!
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Isn't that how pastafarians make predictions, by relying on the seemingly random wiggles of their noodly lord?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 29 Aug 2014, 01:27
Isn't that how pastafarians make predictions, by relying on the seemingly random wiggles of their noodly lord?
Random input give random output. Ergo, no good for predictions. "Seemingly random" might mean two things:
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32. And so it came to pass that the Flying Spaghetti Monster took the rest of the weekend off, and on the Monday He did create another midgit; and He spake unto the midgit saying “Thou shalt remember that Friday is a holy day, when thou shalt get up to no mischief, for thou really doesn’t want to be on the receiving end of my divine retribution when I have a holy hangover”.

RAmen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: freeman on 29 Aug 2014, 02:20
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Roboduck on 29 Aug 2014, 02:34
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.

It makes you a little pastry dish?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 29 Aug 2014, 06:08
... flagitious felines!

You sound like the sort of person who reads the dictionary for fun. (I can respect that.)
To be honest, I looked up evil synonyms.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 29 Aug 2014, 06:15
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
Chemistry lesson: The wiener (and vagina) sometimes smells like fish. The chemical compound causing this, is trimethylamine. More info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethylaminuria). Occasional fishy smell "down there" is quite common, and can be caused by diet, hormones, or your genetic makeup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 29 Aug 2014, 06:48
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
Moderator Comment Err... no.
I do not know where to start explaining what is wrong with that statement. Either the fact that you called Hannelore a sexist slur; or the fact that, you know, people on this very forum have smelled weiners and that you are thereby indirectly calling them tarts; or the plain simple fact that such knowledge is not limited to people with a great amount of sexual experience. Either way, I suggest you rethink what you are saying.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: dawolf on 29 Aug 2014, 07:49
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.
Err... no.
I do not know where to start explaining what is wrong with that statement. Either the fact that you called Hannelore a sexist slur; or the fact that, you know, people on this very forum have smelled weiners and that you are thereby indirectly calling them tarts; or the plain simple fact that such knowledge is not limited to people with a great amount of sexual experience. Either way, I suggest you rethink what you are saying.

I think freeman is implying that anyone who ever smelt a weiner is a tart.

Which is, as you quite rightly point out, ridiculous. Is every person who has smelt a vagina also a tart?

Only missionary sex each time, every time will save you from tartness! (It'll also make you rubbish in bed...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 29 Aug 2014, 08:43
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.

It makes you a little pastry dish?
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I'm so confused.  (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Aug 2014, 08:47
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.

It makes you a little pastry dish?
(click to show/hide)

I'm so confused.  (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 29 Aug 2014, 10:30
Bulletin: Keep your genitals smelling pleasant, wash daily!

In poll news....

Something up beat and poppy! You can't spell "slaughter" without "laughter" after all! ...... (18.5%)
Slayer. Why is this even a question? ......(43.1%)
New Age Spathe Ham Electronica ...... (6.2%)
Dubstep, Drop the bass and dropkick someone's soul. ...... (12.3%)
I would tell you what band I'd go on a rampage to, but you'd have never heard of them. Pleb. (12.3%)
Dora should just calm down and visualize whirled peas till she feels better ...... (7.7%)

Slayer wins the week by a curbchecking landslide!



FIFY
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Yayniall on 29 Aug 2014, 11:29
Something going on, Hannelore wants to smell yo' dick.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 29 Aug 2014, 11:48
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.

It makes you a little pastry dish?
(click to show/hide)

I'm so confused.  (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.

Oh man, you're right...it DOES look more like Tai.  It actually looks a lot like Tai...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 29 Aug 2014, 13:55
Something going on, Hannelore wants to smell yo' dick.
Woah, don't be playin' her like a fool, coz that ain't cool.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 29 Aug 2014, 14:37
Some knowledge is not worth knowing
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 29 Aug 2014, 14:41
This whole line of discussion is reminding me about how I smell after two weeks in the field. Ahahahahaha.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 29 Aug 2014, 17:58
Manly? ;)

I google all sorts of things. Knowing things does not make me anything except knowledgeable. Learning is (or at least should be) a lifetime's occupation.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Aug 2014, 18:46
Someone has forgotten their Lovecraft.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 29 Aug 2014, 19:15
I suppose Hanners would treat the internet somewhat like most people would treat the Necronomicon.
You know, that forbidden tome where madness lies, filled with knowledge Man should not know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Aug 2014, 19:38
Isn't that what the internet is?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Castlerook on 29 Aug 2014, 19:40
That's exactly my point.
I mean, look at all of us here.
You telling me we haven't gone the slightest bit crazy?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 29 Aug 2014, 19:58
Going crazy was a short trip anyways.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Aug 2014, 20:09
There are more cat pictures on the internet though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: War Sparrow on 29 Aug 2014, 22:55
There are more cat pictures on the internet though.

Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Storel on 30 Aug 2014, 02:37
There are more cat pictures on the internet though.

Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.

Eldritch, squamous cat drawings, probably...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: idontunderstand on 30 Aug 2014, 05:36
I googled and couldn't find a single description of how wieners smell. Or. Well. I found how hot dogs smell.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 30 Aug 2014, 07:05
Wiener smell depends on a number of factors, such as packing and storage. Of course, if handled frequently and/or vigorously, they will develop a stench and possibly some sort of growths, but stored in a freezer (preferably in a sealed container) will considerably delay this degradation and keep them fresh for several months.

Oh. Ohhhhh. Those wieners. Well, wiener smell depends on a number of factors, such as packing and storage... :evil:

That's not to say anything of frequent, vigorous handling  :parrot:. Which is just unhygienic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 30 Aug 2014, 08:45
Well, Hannelore, now you know.

And knowing is half the battle.

G...I...JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 30 Aug 2014, 10:36
Manly? ;)


Very, very Manly. So Manly that "Manly" is always capitalized.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 30 Aug 2014, 10:54
My dietary and sexual preferences are such that neither type of wiener is all that aromatically pleasant. Hanners, you are better off not knowing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Aug 2014, 11:06
Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.

The nekonomicon.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Aug 2014, 12:45
Well played indeed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 30 Aug 2014, 13:42
It was worth wading through this entire thread in a day just to get to that pun.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Y on 30 Aug 2014, 14:06
I wonder if she put googling that on her list of reminders.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 30 Aug 2014, 14:53
Eldritch, squamous cat drawings, probably...

Elf-cat-lizard?  Cool.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 30 Aug 2014, 16:52
Manly? ;)


Very, very Manly. So Manly that "Manly" is always capitalized.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Schmorgluck on 30 Aug 2014, 20:24
that was way bigger than I expected
That's what she said.  >:D


Lovecraft was really fond of cats. I wouldn't be suprised if the Necronomicon was filled with cat drawings.

The nekonomicon.  :claireface:
Really well played, it actually made me laugh out loud.

EDIT: and yay for the Claire smiley. It will come useful around these parts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 30 Aug 2014, 22:19
Manly? ;)


Very, very Manly. So Manly that "Manly" is always capitalized.


Accurate.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 30 Aug 2014, 23:36
I so have to see that movie again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 31 Aug 2014, 05:01
No, Hannelore. That kind of knowledge only makes you a tart.

It makes you a little pastry dish?
(click to show/hide)

I'm so confused.  (Spoilers for size - that was way bigger than I expected.)
That looks more like Tai than Hannelore.

Oh man, you're right...it DOES look more like Tai.  It actually looks a lot like Tai...

I thought it looked more like Claire, with the red hair and round kiwi glasses. 


Not to mention that little Claireface smile...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: michael28 on 31 Aug 2014, 10:27
DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!

I appreciate the break from the drama.  All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.
Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
*hits with choppa*
*Rolls for 4+ Armor Save ... hah 5,
*E-Fist hums in a gentle tone :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: quix0te on 31 Aug 2014, 11:23
Well, Hannelore, now you know.

And knowing is half the battle.

G...I...JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-battle-t-shirt-graphic.png
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 31 Aug 2014, 14:29
DAMNIT, sometimes you are worse than Willis!

I appreciate the break from the drama.  All hail our Benevolent Comic Overlord.
Sounds more like a Gretchin than an Orkboy to me. Xenos these days.
*hits with choppa*
*Rolls for 4+ Armor Save ... hah 5,
*E-Fist hums in a gentle tone :D

*fires Shokk Attack Gun*  Now you have a snotling lodged in your abdominal cavity.  Congratulations. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 31 Aug 2014, 15:11
Sigh. I miss the old Shokk Attack tables. Best one was when they killed the pilot of a dreadnought and started kicking the controls in panic, sending it wild.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: maneyan on 31 Aug 2014, 16:42
Knowledge is power, hide it well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2776-2780 (25-29 August 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrudd on 02 Sep 2014, 09:43
Am I crazy or does Dora take everything Sven does to other people weirdly personally?
You may be slightly crazy for hanging out with us, though ;)

I prefer the term outlier
As a collective the term The Six Sigmas would be more apropos.

Knowledge is power, hide it well.

Knowledge is Power and Time is Money
Power = Work / Time (from high school physics)
If you substitute Knowledge for Power and Money for Time
Knowledge = Work / Money
Using a little basic algebra and arranging terms, you get
Money = Work / Knowledge
For a given amount of Work as Knowledge apporaches zero, Money becomes infinite.
This explains the difference in market value between scientists/engineers/well informed posters and Lawyers, Venture Capitalists, and Trolls.