Oh god, can you imagine the carnage on the forum if that happened? :facepalm:
[Conspiracy Theory Hat] What if it's Marten's TEH shirt and they've been secretly dating? :psyduck:[\CTH]By "they" do you mean Claire and Marten, or Claire's shirts and Marten's shirts? I'm guessing the latter.
....I'll see myself out.
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!Every TEH shirt is the same shirt, even if you see two at the same time. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe
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Wait until Marten shows up to work one day in the pink princess dress...
The shirt, the hair, my eyes :(
TEH would have sent a (nicely ambiguous) message.
Or she's a kleptomaniac, but Marten didn't notice at the wedding between scotch and having plenty of teh shirts
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!
One TEH find 'em.It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...
Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar.
Not until later.
One TEH find 'em.It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...
Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar.
Not until later.
(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
Every time Claire tries on clothes I end up squeeing like a schoolgirl when her favorite band is in town.
I think hilarity would have ensued if Claire and Marten had both shown up wearing the same outfit.
Maybe she should break out that Lady Gaga swan dress again. If anything would be improved by crappy beer being dumped on it...
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20485566.jpg)One TEH find 'em.It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...
Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar.
Not until later.
(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
I had the impression the Claire TEH-shirt was longer than the Marten TEH-shirts.I think that's because Claire is shorter than Marten.
I'm a firm believer that Martens next girlfriend will be someone who dances into the comic, sweeps him off his feet and when she finally puts him down, then the real drama starts.
Flashback to #2614 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2614), when Marten was wondering what to wear. That time, it resulted in Marten having a random hookup with Delilah. What if history repeats itself? You know, similar initial conditions will result in similar outcome. The universe is deterministic. The question now becomes who Claire is going to hook up with.
Claire, I can feel your pain. Picking clothes sucks.One of the benefits to being a goth or rivet-head. It's all black, so it'll match. (over simplification deliberate)
Well, I think he may have blown his chances to make a good impression on the Vespavenger. (Isn't she in jail BTW?) Now the Backalley Fairy on the other hand... may have made too much of an impression on Marten already. We'll see. The only thing we know is that taking out the gang to a bar is definitely a good way of setting the stage for Dramaz!I'm a firm believer that Martens next girlfriend will be someone who dances into the comic, sweeps him off his feet and when she finally puts him down, then the real drama starts.
So what you are saying is he will date Vespavenger or Backalley Fairy :D
"Screw this! I hate fashion, shirt and jeans!"
So ... she's not a complete woman yet :-D
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!
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Wait until Marten shows up to work one day in the pink princess dress...
One TEH find 'em.
Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar.
Not until later.
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".
Is that a Kaylee frilly dress I spy or do my eyes deceive me?
It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...Nicely done! My first reaction when seeing the dress was "Kaylee?!"
(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
Okay, for us oldsters who don't get the ref, someone care to explain?Based on the comments, I did the googling. Some TV series. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shindig_%28Firefly%29)
Okay, for us oldsters who don't get the ref, someone care to explain?Meet Kaylee Frye:
Disappointed Claire went through a Smiths phase.Well, she never struck me as the sort who was aggressive enough to wear a "Morrisey is a twat" shirt.
Flashback to #2614 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2614), when Marten was wondering what to wear. That time, it resulted in Marten having a random hookup with Delilah. What if history repeats itself? You know, similar initial conditions will result in similar outcome. The universe is deterministic. The question now becomes who Claire is going to hook up with.
- Sven?
- One of the bros (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1862)?
- Or all three of them?
- Or Jimbo (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1526)?
Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too. :wink:
Not as long as they're in different states. Perhaps this calls for a trip to the Four Corners? :claireface:Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too. :wink:
Wouldn't that be in violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
(mod)Reminder to new people: don't use this post as an example of how we do things here. It was clearly an OTT joke but in general shipping and slash fiction are unwelcome.(/mod)Dang! I plead Guilty, Your Honour. Now, when do I get my 20 lashes?
Not as long as they're in different states. Perhaps this calls for a trip to the Four Corners? :claireface:Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too. :wink:
Wouldn't that be in violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
(mod)Reminder to new people: don't use this post as an example of how we do things here. It was clearly an OTT joke but in general shipping and slash fiction are unwelcome.(/mod)Dang! I plead Guilty, Your Honour. Now, when do I get my 20 lashes?
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?
I have to admit that I've been in a group of drunken physicists arguing about the optimum strategy for darts before... :psyduck:
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?
It depends on your precision. A less precise thrower should aim for the 19 instead, because fewer points are lost if the player misses.I have to admit that I've been in a group of drunken physicists arguing about the optimum strategy for darts before... :psyduck:
There's another strategy than aiming for the triple 20?
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".
I knew one guy who just had seven shirts and seven pants. Made it easy to dress for the week.
What's the new black?
What's the new black?Orange, obviously.
Wikipedia tells me 'the term "lumberjill" has been known for a woman who does this work, for example in Britain during World War II.'Similarly "jackaroo" and "jillaroo" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackaroo_(trainee)) down here.
I have this suspicion someone at that bar is going to say the wrong thing regarding Sven, Dora, and Faye, and all hell is going to break loose.
He probably heard of it off-panel when Steve and Sven were jabbing with each other.I like to think Wil is too professional to share anything he heard while bartending.
I taught my 8 year old nannying boy that Henry Ford quote and he was pretty thrilled by it. I love kids.What post are you referring to?
Clothes can be bought in any color, as long as it's black.This one, referring to
Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.
It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.
I hope it's battery-powered and starts singing.
When I read this I suffered a case of brain failure and thought you were talking about the stools, not the fish... :psyduck:Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.
I hope it's battery-powered and starts singing.
I kinda like Claire sans glasses.Heresy!
What should Claire Wear?Thinking about it the option "Nothing" would have been nice, specially for edits.
The Blue Dress, cheap beer spills be damned! 1 (3.1%)
Red Flannel with Shorts! 4 (12.5%)
The Smiths shirt! 2 (6.3%)
TEH shirt! 2 (6.3%)
The Kaylee Dress! 1 (3.1%)
Yellow Shirt and Jeans! 1 (3.1%)
"I AM THE PRETTIEST PRINCESS" shirt (borrowed from Marten) 6 (18.8%)
Faye's Yellow Dress (shudder) 0 (0%)
The Swan Dress! 1 (3.1%)
Hoodie and sweats 3 (9.4%)
Something else entirely. 0 (0%)
"She Blinded Me With Library Science" t-shirt! (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC) 11 (34.4%)
Total Members Voted: 32
Clothes can be bought in any color, as long as it's black.This one, referring toQuote from: Henry FordAny customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.
I don't get it. Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?
I don't get it. Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?
Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?
When I read this I suffered a case of brain failure and thought you were talking about the stools, not the fish... :psyduck:
I don't get it. Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?Because a place that takes special measures to reduce mortality in case of a brawl probably have brawls often.
I do think that Jeph said he wouldn't use Claire's trans status for cheap drama.
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.
It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.
It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?
I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten
PS First post, sorry I have no shiny Firefly references to make it a good one
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.
It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?
I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten
Me too.QuotePS First post, sorry I have no shiny Firefly references to make it a good one
WHAT? No Firefly reference? All right, you're welcome anyway. :laugh:
So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?
Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.
At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?
Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?
My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.
Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).
No apology necessary, but thank you.
And true, but consider a few things:
-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.
To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.
Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?
In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.Faye now has a vigilante name. We need to name everyone.
Mass is the best place I have lived so far. The laws related to equality are pretty awesome, at least by the standards of the USA.
A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).
No apology necessary, but thank you.
And true, but consider a few things:
-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.
To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.
If I had to guess I'd say they are at Hugo's which is still in Northampton proper.
So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?
Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.
At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?
Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?
My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.
Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.
I want a montage with Steve trying out different cereals.
A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...
In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.Faye now has a vigilante name. We need to name everyone.
I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten
Honestly I prefer giving piggyback rides to getting them.
Wait, "Pugnacious Peach" was a forum invention?Yes, by DSL, on 12th January 2011 (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25915.msg1001154/topicseen.html#msg1001154), in the library, with a lead pipe.
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?Neubauten's founder and singer Blixa Bargeld was also a legendary member of The Bad Seeds (Nick Cave's band) between 1984 and 2003
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?
Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.Do *not* taunt St. Blixa. Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?They have plenty of great tracks. Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist. And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?
Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.Do *not* taunt St. Blixa. Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?They have plenty of great tracks. Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist. And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?
Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
On another note, the comic has too much potential adorable going on, since there are both Claire and Hanners in close proximity.
Edit: Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac. Neither is ß.
2. Re #2793 - I don't know if that was Jephzibar's intent, but if a guy gave me a pupils-dilated look like Marten gave Claire when she walked in, I'd go melty.Comparing his eyes in that strip to the one in the strip before (where he's talking to Faye), I see no significant difference in pupil size. Dude just has massive pupils, apparently.
1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.
Mustard is a condiment. Her shirt is yellow.
Edit: Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac. Neither is ß.Opt-u and Opt-s respectively, yes. But to type the umlaut in Einstürzend Neubauten in a speech-balloon would imply that Dora was actually pronouncing the band's name as would be correct in German. Come on English-speakers, 'fess up; how many of you pronounce it as recommended here (http://www.pronounceitright.com/pronounce/12215/einsturzende-neubauten)? Next you'll be telling me that you pronounce correctly 窒息 (zhìxī) and 撕裂 (sīliè). :P
*Cough* I do, and it wasn't just the year of German I took. And to his credit, Jeph *did* bother to spell out the name in the normal English transliteration.Edit: Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac. Neither is ß.Opt-u and Opt-s respectively, yes. But to type the umlaut in Einstürzend Neubauten in a speech-balloon would imply that Dora was actually pronouncing the band's name as would be correct in German. Come on English-speakers, 'fess up; how many of you pronounce it as recommended
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)
The bits of white suggest either ice or carbonation, possibly both. The glass looks like a short - short gin and tonic, maybe? This bar looks like the kind of place that wouldn't put a lime in.
EDIT: Actually, now that I'm looking at the glasses, I'm wondering what kind of bar has both Hannelore's glass and Claire's. They both look like short glasses, but two different styles of short glasses. In any case, since I noticed the stir, I think I can say confidently Claire has a Cape Cod. That, or Claire decided this wasn't a bar she wanted to be drunk in and got a cranberry juice, and it's policy to serve non-alcoholic drinks in that style glass.
That was not me.Edit: Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac. Neither is ß.
It hasn't been posted yet. They're talking about the drinking glasses.
Here you go - last panel. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1708)
Neither is ß.Is eszet or eszett preferred? I see both lots of places.
@comic: Oh boy...Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition. Claire will be devastated, because there is no way she is going to admit this, either to herself or to others. She will proceed to get very drunk, and will need to be carried to Marten and Faye's sofa, before finally barfing in Marten's lap.
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)Tonic drink under a black light. We already know that Hanners is a fan of gin.
I'm gonna go with "pretty much the whole fuckin' time," Faye.
@comic: Oh boy...Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition.
@comic: Oh boy...Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition. Claire will be devastated, because there is no way she is going to admit this, either to herself or to others. She will proceed to get very drunk, and will need to be carried to Marten and Faye's sofa, before finally barfing in Marten's lap.
Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition.
That doesn't sound like it was recorded by a native speaker. Here's (http://halfur.de/pic/neubauten.mp3) an MP3 of how I pronounce it.OK, I hope it's not too creepy to say you have a nice voice.
Emily wasn't there on her day off.
That was not me.I'm sorry, KOK. I have no idea how I managed that, because none of your posts were even in the one I quoted. I have fixed my posting.
we had a couple of cats who stayed in the cattery I worked in called Xing Xing and I think it was Jin Jin but that's not coming up as a nameXing is pronounces "shing" in Standard Mandarin. Xing Xing is a fairly common "baby name" in China, meaning "Twin Stars", but without seeing the characters, I can't be sure. In the same way Xi Jingping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping)'s surname is pronounced "she".
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
No, this is the one that's made from duct tape and three large cardboard boxes and a couple of straw periscopes sticking out from it.Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
I had considered just using the acronym, but I had forgotten what the U stood for.Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Win for referencing UBMEOD! (You forgot the "Useless" part, by the way)
Maybe cesium has actually found a use for a broom made entirely of dicks.
Marten is a good choice for any role up to and including being a confidant, but I don't think a life-partner Relationship would work between anyone as ambitious as Claire and Mr. Directionless.Actually it could work quite well as long as they both understand that "fixing" the other is the wrong thing to do. The directionless can borrow some direction and the driven can be assured of a relaxed space in their life.
Monday is going to be interesting.I hope you like cereal!
Marten goes nowhere.
Marten bends, and does not break.
He is the willow.
Pretty much anyone seems driven when compared to Marten lol
Daaaaaaaayum. Faye coming right out and asking for the forum.On Monday Steve finds out how much weight he's gained eating all that cereal.
I sense we're ALL going to be disappointed on Monday some how. I can FEEL it in my rum.
Ah, I meant that they were two cats, one called Xing Xing, that I said kind of "shing shing" but you can hear it's not quite the same when the owners said it. :D The other cat was Jin Jin (that's how it was spelled in the computer, anyway).we had a couple of cats who stayed in the cattery I worked in called Xing Xing and I think it was Jin Jin but that's not coming up as a nameXing is pronounces "shing" in Standard Mandarin. Xing Xing is a fairly common "baby name" in China, meaning "Twin Stars", but without seeing the characters, I can't be sure. In the same way Xi Jingping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping)'s surname is pronounced "she".
Claire was so startled that she spontaneously generated more drink than was in the glass!
Well, some languages are so heavily gendered that is strongly impacts how one speaks. And I don't have some magical proficiency for Chinese, nor any other language. I'm more like a parrot mimicking the sounds (and tones if needed). I have a great ear, and if I actually had any musical talent, I could of put it to use. Instead, I'm stuck with drunk ladies trying to teach me Mandarin and pretending to be Scouse when going to bars.
I am jealous of people with language skills, hedgie! I really want to learn Thai, but that is pretty bloody hard. My little sister had a Thai friend, and she would get us to say words then laugh at how we sucked (apparently my little brother "sounds like a girl!")
Nah. Cosette will trip over one of many errant empty boxes of cereal. She'll be angry at Steve, but he can do nothing. It would be Monday, and they don't take the trash until Tuesday. Meanwhile, every trash can in his neighborhood is already filled to the brim with cereal boxes. He is powerless to clean his house of the box madness. The final panel will just be him, sitting on a throne of unopened cereal boxes, head in hands, as he wonders what has happened to his life.Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thinker
We don't know anything about Claire's genitalia. For that matter we don't know anything about Dora's genitalia, or Padma's. Speculation about this is not appropriate, or respectful.
That being said, your post was as close to being acceptable as I think a post on this topic could get. But I really don't want to open the floodgates to a discussion on this issue.
OK, elephant in the room:
Of all the reasons Marten might be into or not into dating Claire, I think we have to also consider the really obvious one: The trans issue. Marten's a cool, completely accepting guy, obviously, but being Claire's confidant about her transition and being in a romantic/sexual relationship with her could be two very different things. I don't care how open-minded and LGBTQ-friendly you are, or how accepting of the idea that Claire is, in fact, a woman, and that biology is not gender, etc., etc...for a lot of dudes, it would still be a big deal and something to come to terms with. I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
For these reasons, I hope Marten DOES embark on a relationship with Claire, not because I necessarily think they'd be an awesome couple, but because it would be fascinating to see these issues - which again, I think would be at least in the back of any straight dude's mind - being worked out.
My point is that this is a dangerous topic of conversation. Anyway, the no-shipping rule applies here.
OK, elephant in the room:
Of all the reasons Marten might be into or not into dating Claire, I think we have to also consider the really obvious one: The trans issue. Marten's a cool, completely accepting guy, obviously, but being Claire's confidant about her transition and being in a romantic/sexual relationship with her could be two very different things. I don't care how open-minded and LGBTQ-friendly you are, or how accepting of the idea that Claire is, in fact, a woman, and that biology is not gender, etc., etc...for a lot of dudes, it would still be a big deal and something to come to terms with. I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
For these reasons, I hope Marten DOES embark on a relationship with Claire, not because I necessarily think they'd be an awesome couple, but because it would be fascinating to see these issues - which again, I think would be at least in the back of any straight dude's mind - being worked out.
I think that the very reasons you give point very strongly to this not happening. It would change the comic utterly. This has so far not been a comic about being trans, or gay, or an indie music fan, or traumatized by a parent's suicide or what have you. There are chararacters who are all these things, but none of these issues is the focus of the story. They are each brought up occasionally. Claire is not Clare Augustus, trans woman. She is Claire Augustus, library science student, intern, punster, sister, friend, who is also trans. Her getting into a relationship would change all that. Especially if the relationship is with the central character of the comic.
Of course Jeph might want a change. But until now he has been very firm about not going that way.
But I feel compelled to point out that my post did not speculate about genitalia or even use the word. Rather, I was pointing out in a much broader sense that while Claire might rightly consider herself a woman, and it is (I believe) the obligation of society to therefore also consider her that way, it could be a tough hurdle to get past for a heterosexual guy who's only been with cis-women. For a lot of reasons. The genital-compatibility question is by no means the most important aspect.
But I feel compelled to point out that my post did not speculate about genitalia or even use the word. Rather, I was pointing out in a much broader sense that while Claire might rightly consider herself a woman, and it is (I believe) the obligation of society to therefore also consider her that way, it could be a tough hurdle to get past for a heterosexual guy who's only been with cis-women. For a lot of reasons. The genital-compatibility question is by no means the most important aspect.
We acknowledge and respect your intentions and thank you for them.
Let's put the topic on the shelf until and unless Marten and Claire actually do become a couple, and then only if the discussion won't pour acid on wounds for the trans people here.
I think that since Jeph has OCD himself, he's invoking his right to mock it. As I have mentioned plenty of times before, I have OCD, and I joke about it all the time.
But let me add that the Draconian defensiveness toward my initial post is baffling and alarming. This talk of what's "acceptable" and "dangerous" as topics of discussion is something I've never really seen on this board.
Surely, people don't get shut down for alluding to Faye's "hella issues" out of concern for those whose parents have killed themselves or who have problems with anxiety. Ditto the literally thousands of times, in-comic and on the forum, that Hanners' OCD is ridiculed.
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.
That rather patronizing first line notwithstanding, I don't want to be the pourer of figurative acid, so yes, fine, I'll stop trying to pursue that line of thought, interesting and worthwhile as I might think it would be to discuss.
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.
That's one reason why I don't think this is going to happen. Jeph doesn't want to get the level of hate mail he got just for showing Marigold in a bikini that one time, and I think that (for good or bad) any pairing involving Claire would be radioactive.
And with that... Who wants to start next week's thread?
That's one reason why I don't think this is going to happen. Jeph doesn't want to get the level of hate mail he got just for showing Marigold in a bikini that one time, and I think that (for good or bad) any pairing involving Claire would be radioactive.
Since when does hate mail have to be warranted?
We don't know anything about Claire's genitalia. For that matter we don't know anything about Dora's genitalia, or Padma's.
I highly doubt that, given it was so long ago.
We also know something about Padma's genitalia:
Marten thinks her boobs are awesome (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=2057).
Huh. I thought the terms "sexual characteristics" and "genitalia" were largely interchangeable.You think of beards as "genitalia"?
I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me. Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me. Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?
"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."
How unprejudiced does that sound?
That rather patronizing first line notwithstanding, I don't want to be the pourer of figurative acid, so yes, fine, I'll stop trying to pursue that line of thought, interesting and worthwhile as I might think it would be to discuss.
It was not meant to be patronizing. I'll be more careful.
I'd ask for the matter to be put at rest now (and also for you to use the edit button in the future instead of double-posting, but that's only a minor remark).
I highly doubt that, given it was so long ago.
I don't know what you mean about the Edit button. I posted three times in response to three separate posts/posters.
I don't know what you mean about the Edit button. I posted three times in response to three separate posts/posters.
If you were the most recent person to post in a thread, we prefer you to edit your post to add any additional information, rather than posting again. If you're replying to multiple people and want to quote them, you can hit "quote" for each person and copy the info that appears in the box, and then paste it into one response rather than making three.
Basically it's a style thing that this forum, as a community, has decided we prefer, but there's also the fact that making three posts puts a larger strain on the server than making one with the content of all three.