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Title: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Sep 2014, 17:36
Here's the discussion thread. I've got an idea for the poll, but will fix it later.

Pro Tip: don't have leftover taco meat with extra spicy Spanish rice.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 14 Sep 2014, 17:49
This week. Marten gets drunk. Wakes up with Pintsize cuddling him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 14 Sep 2014, 18:08
This week, SVEN gets drunk (again) and wakes up cuddling Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 14 Sep 2014, 18:10
Oh god, can you imagine the carnage on the forum if that happened?  :facepalm:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Sep 2014, 18:13
Someday, Jeph will find a story that outdoes the carnage of the Dorapocalypse. And it will be a sight to behold.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Sep 2014, 18:22
Be careful what you wish for. Can you imagine Dora imploding two relationships in one night?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Sep 2014, 18:26
Well, it is her superpower...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 14 Sep 2014, 18:30
Oh god, can you imagine the carnage on the forum if that happened?  :facepalm:

It would make the October Revolution look pleasant by comparison.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 14 Sep 2014, 18:40
Comic's up.
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Sep 2014, 18:43
OH DEAR MERCIFUL HEAVEN! IT'S MULTIPLYING! IT'S THE INVASION OF THE AMBIVALENT.....you know what, it's nearly 3am and I am way too tired to do the whole shrieking joke, you get the gist of it anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 14 Sep 2014, 18:50
Panel 2 speaks to me so loudly that I'm going to ignore panel 4(for the moment).

Noooo, Claire, you could have been Amy Pond!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Sep 2014, 18:55
I think hilarity would have ensued if Claire and Marten had both shown up wearing the same outfit.

Maybe she should break out that Lady Gaga swan dress again. If anything would be improved by crappy beer being dumped on it...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 14 Sep 2014, 18:56
Tehehehe, this one makes me giggle for reasons I don't even understand myself.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 14 Sep 2014, 18:57
I guess our princess was in another castle.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 14 Sep 2014, 19:01
The shirt, the hair, my eyes :(

TEH would have sent a (nicely ambiguous) message.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 14 Sep 2014, 19:27
[Conspiracy Theory Hat] What if it's Marten's TEH shirt and they've been secretly dating? :psyduck:[\CTH]

....I'll see myself out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Sep 2014, 19:31
[Conspiracy Theory Hat] What if it's Marten's TEH shirt and they've been secretly dating? :psyduck:[\CTH]

....I'll see myself out.
By "they" do you mean Claire and Marten, or Claire's shirts and Marten's shirts? I'm guessing the latter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Sep 2014, 19:32
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!

.....

Wait until Marten shows up to work one day in the pink princess dress...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 14 Sep 2014, 19:37
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!

.....

Wait until Marten shows up to work one day in the pink princess dress...
Every TEH shirt is the same shirt, even if you see two at the same time. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-electron_universe
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 14 Sep 2014, 19:46
The shirt, the hair, my eyes :(

TEH would have sent a (nicely ambiguous) message.

"One of us!  One of us!  One of us!"



That last outfit is nice and inconspicuous.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 14 Sep 2014, 19:47
Or she's a kleptomaniac, but Marten didn't notice at the wedding between scotch and having plenty of teh shirts
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 14 Sep 2014, 19:51
Or she's a kleptomaniac, but Marten didn't notice at the wedding between scotch and having plenty of teh shirts

I was going to just say 'Or she stole it.'
I should have gone with that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2014, 19:53
She should've gone with the first outfit, I thought.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 14 Sep 2014, 19:55
The TEH that can be perceived is not the true TEH.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2014, 19:55
On teh to rule tehm all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Sep 2014, 19:58
One TEH find 'em.

Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar. 


Not until later. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 14 Sep 2014, 19:59
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!

Well that scuppers my theory that the group will go on a magical trip to Narnia.
.....
And get turned into statues by the White Witch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CMGeorge on 14 Sep 2014, 20:19
One TEH find 'em.

Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar. 


Not until later.
It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...

(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 14 Sep 2014, 20:22
Every time Claire tries on clothes I end up squeeing like a schoolgirl when her favorite band is in town.

Jeph! Jeph! Y u do tis?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 14 Sep 2014, 20:26
One TEH find 'em.

Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar. 


Not until later.
It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...

(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))

This reference makes for a great first post for sure.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2014, 21:07
She's going to the wildest box social the high seas have ever seen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: St.Clair on 14 Sep 2014, 21:51
Every time Claire tries on clothes I end up squeeing like a schoolgirl when her favorite band is in town.

You're not the only one.
(eeeeee!)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 14 Sep 2014, 21:55
I think hilarity would have ensued if Claire and Marten had both shown up wearing the same outfit.

Maybe she should break out that Lady Gaga swan dress again. If anything would be improved by crappy beer being dumped on it...

It was Björk, not lady Gaga who wore that dress. And Claire did not buy it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Stoon on 14 Sep 2014, 22:17
One TEH find 'em.

Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar. 


Not until later.
It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...

(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20485566.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 14 Sep 2014, 22:51
I had the impression the Claire TEH-shirt was longer than the Marten TEH-shirts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 14 Sep 2014, 22:58
This week's poll really needed a multiple chose option. Dramaz 2-5 and the Marten and Claire hooks up* could all happen at once. D1&D2 looks mutually exclusive to me though.

I had the impression the Claire TEH-shirt was longer than the Marten TEH-shirts.
I think that's because Claire is shorter than Marten.


*Not with each other. I'm a firm believer that Martens next girlfriend will be someone who dances into the comic, sweeps him off his feet and when she finally puts him down, then the real drama starts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 14 Sep 2014, 23:27
Claire is so cute in all outfits! I particularly like the plaid shirt outfit. :D

Also: I heartily concur on all points in the last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 14 Sep 2014, 23:30
I liked her in the flannel! And in all of the other outfits. Claire needs to stop being so adorable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Sep 2014, 00:41
The shirt and jeans outfit is nice. It seems highly appropriate for an evening at a bar where horrible beer might be spilt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 15 Sep 2014, 00:43
Flashback to #2614 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2614), when Marten was wondering what to wear. That time, it resulted in Marten having a random hookup with Delilah. What if history repeats itself? You know, similar initial conditions will result in similar outcome. The universe is deterministic. The question now becomes who Claire is going to hook up with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Sep 2014, 01:02
Claire, I can feel your pain. Picking clothes sucks.

I'm a firm believer that Martens next girlfriend will be someone who dances into the comic, sweeps him off his feet and when she finally puts him down, then the real drama starts.

So what you are saying is he will date Vespavenger or Backalley Fairy :D

Flashback to #2614 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2614), when Marten was wondering what to wear. That time, it resulted in Marten having a random hookup with Delilah. What if history repeats itself? You know, similar initial conditions will result in similar outcome. The universe is deterministic. The question now becomes who Claire is going to hook up with.

You are misinterpreting the results.  Whenever there is a dressing montage, Delilah hooks up with somebody.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 15 Sep 2014, 01:25
Claire, I can feel your pain. Picking clothes sucks.
One of the benefits to being a goth or rivet-head.  It's all black, so it'll match.  (over simplification deliberate)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 15 Sep 2014, 01:45
I'm a firm believer that Martens next girlfriend will be someone who dances into the comic, sweeps him off his feet and when she finally puts him down, then the real drama starts.

So what you are saying is he will date Vespavenger or Backalley Fairy :D
Well, I think he may have blown his chances to make a good impression on the Vespavenger. (Isn't she in jail BTW?) Now the Backalley Fairy on the other hand... may have made too much of an impression on Marten already. We'll see. The only thing we know is that taking out the gang to a bar is definitely a good way of setting the stage for Dramaz!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Doc on 15 Sep 2014, 01:59
"Screw this! I hate fashion, shirt and jeans!"

So ... she's not a complete woman yet   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Sep 2014, 02:56
To borrow an expression from the Brits: Bollocks. She is a "complete woman" (what is that term even supposed to mean, I wonder?) regardless of how she feels about clothes. (Otherwise I would know plenty of women who are not "complete women" by that weird and rather arbitrary standard.) To quote Akima from memory: "I am a woman; how can anything I do be un-woman-like?"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aimless on 15 Sep 2014, 03:08
"Screw this! I hate fashion, shirt and jeans!"

So ... she's not a complete woman yet   :-D

Hi! I realize this was said in jest, but your statement is problematic on at least two levels. First and most importantly, it's not right to joke about Claire not being a "real woman", which I think you'll understand if you think about how much crap transpersons have to put up with of that kind. She's a real woman if she says she is.  Additionally,  it's sexist, which I think you can see if you think about it. I think this forum is a place where jokes of this kind are discouraged, because, when you think about i,  they're not funny - - they're expressions of pretty tragic social problems. Just my 2c, anyone who has a better more informative comment is welcome to weigh in.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 15 Sep 2014, 03:40
It's actually the same shirt! Claire and Marten's closets are connected by a wormhole!

.....

Wait until Marten shows up to work one day in the pink princess dress...

Well he does look good in a corset.... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1305)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 15 Sep 2014, 03:52
Also Doc, please don't get offended or defensive or anything. From us to you, it's about being helpful and informative. From you to us, it's about being courteous and polite (and helpful too, I guess?). Being PC has nothing to do with us (if I may quote my most favourite XKCD comic (http://www.xkcd.com/137/): "FUCK. THAT. SHIT."), but we do appreciate politeness.

The flannel shirt would have made her an instant friend with Jimbo. But I agree with Claire, except on the jeans (cargo pants, yo! Seriously, they have pockets EVERYWHERE! You can carry stuff!).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Sep 2014, 03:56
I hate fashion, and almost always wear clothes based on their practicality, comfort and whether they manage to avoid being horribly clashing in pattern and colour, in order of importance. This in no way reflects on my gender.

I like the fact that the "looks good in a corset" strip features Marten in the TEH shirt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 15 Sep 2014, 04:16
Doc - joke misfired. No big deal.

One thing (being serious, educational now). You know transition's complete when you go with what *you* want, not what society expects. For some that's lace, frills, makeup, for others stone butch, for others goth, there are as many ways of being a woman as there are women.

That may be true of guys too, I don't know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 15 Sep 2014, 04:19
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tai Fanboi on 15 Sep 2014, 04:26
Is that a Kaylee frilly dress I spy or do my eyes deceive me? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Sep 2014, 05:48
Barhopping time! What's on store for us?

Twue Wuv!    3 (8.6%)
Dramaz Option 1: Angus and Faye split up!    1 (2.9%)
Dramaz Option 2: Angus didn't get the part.    2 (5.7%)
Dramaz Option 3: Sven walks in to the bar.    11 (31.4%)
Dramaz Option 4: Dora goes ballistic against Sven.    4 (11.4%)
Dramaz Option 5: Tai goes ballistic on Dora.    0 (0%)
Marten meets up with someone.    3 (8.6%)
Claire meets up with someone... else.    4 (11.4%)
Steve Eats Cereal All Week!    6 (17.1%)
Spathe Ham!    0 (0%)
Waffles!    1 (2.9%)
Wacky AnthroPC hijinks!    0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 35
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: dsvella on 15 Sep 2014, 06:46
One TEH find 'em.

Personally, I like the fluffy cake topper dress, but not for the bar. 


Not until later.

I dont know if thats the official name for a dress of that style but it should be!
Also it must be a bitch to get into.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: gopher on 15 Sep 2014, 07:32
Disappointed Claire went through a Smiths phase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQfJcN0Tqw
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 15 Sep 2014, 08:04
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".

This. One of those also includes a hoodie. The other two are work-exclusives.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Phenotype on 15 Sep 2014, 08:15
Is that a Kaylee frilly dress I spy or do my eyes deceive me?

Definitely. That has to be an intentional reference, it's too similar to be coincidence.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mattcoz on 15 Sep 2014, 08:19
It would be appropriate if she were going to a mighty fine shindig, though...

(First post, I joined just to comment on the dress. :))
Nicely done!  My first reaction when seeing the dress was "Kaylee?!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Sep 2014, 08:34
Okay, for us oldsters who don't get the ref, someone care to explain?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 15 Sep 2014, 09:04
Okay, for us oldsters who don't get the ref, someone care to explain?
Based on the comments, I did the googling.  Some TV series. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shindig_%28Firefly%29)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 15 Sep 2014, 09:05
Okay, for us oldsters who don't get the ref, someone care to explain?
Meet Kaylee Frye:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S-PVph_hS6E/T20zCgQ3P9I/AAAAAAAAAPg/V8KT3nAAWls/s1600/kayleefluffy_reference.jpg)


Chief (and only) Engineer of Serenity, the vessel around whose crew the TV series Firefly revolves. She doesn't normally dress like that, so it stood out when it happened.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 15 Sep 2014, 09:07
It's like a sheep prancing on its hind legs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arancaytar on 15 Sep 2014, 11:12
Came here to see how many spotted the Firefly reference, not disappointed.  :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 15 Sep 2014, 11:52
Disappointed Claire went through a Smiths phase.
Well, she never struck me as the sort who was aggressive enough to wear a "Morrisey is a twat" shirt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: perlhaqr on 15 Sep 2014, 12:24
Aww.  I wanted her to pick the Princess Peach dress.  And then maybe Pintsize could show up dressed as Toad.  :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Shjade on 15 Sep 2014, 12:28
Must admit: disappointed she didn't go with the red flannel shirt. It looks really nice on her, that darker red under her lighter red hair! Maybe that shirt with jeans instead of the shorts she had with it?

Oh well, I shall live with my disappointment.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 15 Sep 2014, 12:41
Flashback to #2614 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2614), when Marten was wondering what to wear. That time, it resulted in Marten having a random hookup with Delilah. What if history repeats itself? You know, similar initial conditions will result in similar outcome. The universe is deterministic. The question now becomes who Claire is going to hook up with.
  • Sven?
  • One of the bros (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1862)?
  • Or all three of them?
  • Or Jimbo (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1526)?

(mod)Reminder to new people: don't use this post as an example of how we do things here. It was clearly an OTT joke but in general shipping and slash fiction are unwelcome.(/mod)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Sep 2014, 13:13
Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too.   :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 15 Sep 2014, 13:30
Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too.   :wink:

Wouldn't that be in violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Sep 2014, 13:34
Only if you can't find a positive spin to put on it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Sep 2014, 13:47
Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too.   :wink:

Wouldn't that be in violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
Not as long as they're in different states. Perhaps this calls for a trip to the Four Corners?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 15 Sep 2014, 13:52
(mod)Reminder to new people: don't use this post as an example of how we do things here. It was clearly an OTT joke but in general shipping and slash fiction are unwelcome.(/mod)
Dang! I plead Guilty, Your Honour. Now, when do I get my 20 lashes?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 15 Sep 2014, 14:02
Well damn, there goes my slash-fic featuring flannel-shirt-Claire hooking up with Kaylee-dress-Claire. And it was such a thing of beauty, too.   :wink:

Wouldn't that be in violation of the Pauli Exclusion Principle?
Not as long as they're in different states. Perhaps this calls for a trip to the Four Corners?  :claireface:

Either that, or they find their way to Arisugawas Locket.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Sep 2014, 14:25
And now everyone should understand exactly why shipping is so strongly discouraged on this forum.

Because it leads to PHYSICS.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 15 Sep 2014, 15:14
Here to say:

I could watch a whole week of Jeph's dressing montages... doesn't really matter which character either
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Sep 2014, 15:20
Barhopping time! What's on store for us?

Twue Wuv!    4 (8%)
Dramaz Option 1: Angus and Faye split up!    2 (4%)
Dramaz Option 2: Angus didn't get the part.    3 (6%)
Dramaz Option 3: Sven walks in to the bar.    12 (24%) <== Which, of course, means it won't happen.
Dramaz Option 4: Dora goes ballistic against Sven.    4 (8%)
Dramaz Option 5: Tai goes ballistic on Dora.    0 (0%)
Marten meets up with someone.    5 (10%)
Claire meets up with someone... else.    9 (18%)
Steve Eats Cereal All Week!    8 (16%)
Spathe Ham!    0 (0%)
Waffles!    2 (4%)
Wacky AnthroPC hijinks!    1 (2%)

Total Members Voted: 50
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Sep 2014, 15:29
Sven walks into a bar. Ow.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Sep 2014, 15:30
I want a montage with Steve trying out different cereals.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Sep 2014, 16:09
Claire in the flanell shirt:

I am a lumberjill and that's okay
I sleep all night and I work all day.

Chorus:
She is a lumberjill and she's okay
she sleeps all night amd works all day.

Claire:
[...]
I put on women's clothing
and hang around in bars.

Chorus:
She puts on women's clothing
and hangs around in bars!
She is a lumberjill and she's okay
she sleep all night and works all day!
*chorus applauds*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Sep 2014, 16:28
Wait, lumberjack isn't gender neutral?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Sep 2014, 16:44
Wikipedia tells me 'the term "lumberjill" has been known for a woman who does this work, for example in Britain during World War II.'
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Sep 2014, 18:32
I have to admit that I've been in a group of drunken physicists arguing about the optimum strategy for darts before...  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 15 Sep 2014, 18:37
Better hope Georgette (http://wapsisquare.com/comic/anormalpubgirl/) isn't there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TRVA123 on 15 Sep 2014, 18:42
(mod)Reminder to new people: don't use this post as an example of how we do things here. It was clearly an OTT joke but in general shipping and slash fiction are unwelcome.(/mod)
Dang! I plead Guilty, Your Honour. Now, when do I get my 20 lashes?

You mean your 20 slashes

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Sep 2014, 18:44
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bewrong on 15 Sep 2014, 18:58
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Sep 2014, 19:03
Ha, that's actually an extremely brilliant loophole. I wonder if piercing studios actually do that (Jeph has many piercings, so he probably would know)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 15 Sep 2014, 19:10
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".

I knew one guy who just had seven shirts and seven pants. Made it easy to dress for the week.

In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?

I think thats the gap between her legs....unless my sense of the female anatomy is fucked right now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: neurocase on 15 Sep 2014, 19:21
I really like this strip; it's nothing particularly fancy, but I'm getting a very "classic QC" vibe from it. Which, of course, could mean we're experiencing the calm before the S.S Questionable and all her crew sail toward Drunken Shenanigan Reef. Yarr, those be treacherous waters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Redball on 15 Sep 2014, 19:55
I agree. The Marten-Faye interaction reminded me of the earliest comics. And welcome!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 15 Sep 2014, 20:12
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?

Are you looking at the comic on your phone? On my computer screen it clearly is just a little thigh gap from her walking.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mafarfloune on 15 Sep 2014, 20:18
I have to admit that I've been in a group of drunken physicists arguing about the optimum strategy for darts before...  :psyduck:

There's another strategy than aiming for the triple 20?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 15 Sep 2014, 20:29
In the last panel, Faye's pants appear unzipped. Is this some quirk of Jeph's that I've never noticed before?

I see what you mean I think.  Faye's crotch is drawn a tiny bit higher than real life so the little triangle would be about where it would go.  At least as per my understanding of female anatomy . Then again I'm on mobile so it might be skewed a bit haha

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 15 Sep 2014, 20:49
I have this suspicion someone at that bar is going to say the wrong thing regarding Sven, Dora, and Faye, and all hell is going to break loose.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Sep 2014, 21:06
I have to admit that I've been in a group of drunken physicists arguing about the optimum strategy for darts before...  :psyduck:

There's another strategy than aiming for the triple 20?
It depends on your precision. A less precise thrower should aim for the 19 instead, because fewer points are lost if the player misses.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 15 Sep 2014, 21:23
I'm with Claire in the last panel. I'm a woman and I own a total of five outfits, three of which are "jeans and tee".

I knew one guy who just had seven shirts and seven pants. Made it easy to dress for the week.


Niel Gaiman has a fool proof method for avoiding clashing colors: black matches everything. Everything black, that is. If you only have black clothes, you don't need to worry about color matching.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 15 Sep 2014, 23:41
Clothes can be bought in any color, as long as it's black.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 16 Sep 2014, 01:29
What's the new black?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 16 Sep 2014, 01:35
What's the new black?

Puce (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1888) is the new black!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 16 Sep 2014, 01:39
What's the new black?
Orange, obviously.
Or depending on who you ask, purple.
Better wear both just to be sure you look stylish.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 Sep 2014, 02:23
I taught my 8 year old nannying boy that Henry Ford quote and he was pretty thrilled by it. I love kids.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 16 Sep 2014, 05:19
Wikipedia tells me 'the term "lumberjill" has been known for a woman who does this work, for example in Britain during World War II.'
Similarly "jackaroo" and "jillaroo" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackaroo_(trainee)) down here.

Marten and Fay walking down the street, talking. Classic QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 16 Sep 2014, 05:22
I have this suspicion someone at that bar is going to say the wrong thing regarding Sven, Dora, and Faye, and all hell is going to break loose.

So who exactly out of the gang knows about this?

So far, I know this: Marten knows of this via Dora. Dora found out via Cosette. Cosette got told of this by Steve. Steve was told directly by Sven at the Horrible Restitution.

So i'm gonna say: Wil is gonna be the one to ruin it for everyone. He probably heard of it off-panel when Steve and Sven were jabbing with each other.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrudd on 16 Sep 2014, 05:50
WRT the latest poll option - "She Blinded Me With Library Science" t-shirt!

Had one myself - Physics Department - Laser Lab - might even have been your university but I doubt it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 16 Sep 2014, 15:10
Non-refundable, of course.

Unless she hits him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2014, 15:17
He probably heard of it off-panel when Steve and Sven were jabbing with each other.
I like to think Wil is too professional to share anything he heard while bartending.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Sep 2014, 16:42
If anything is going to happen, it's most likely going to be an innocuous comment from someone not directly involved (i.e. Sven, Steve, Cosette, Dora and Marten).

Claire, Tai or Faye seem to be the most likely candidates.

The real problem here is the lack of communication between people, they're all talking but not talking to each other. That's the crux of the problem here.

Though I have been noted to have been wrong on several occasions, so I'm not one to listen to about predictions.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 16 Sep 2014, 18:02
I taught my 8 year old nannying boy that Henry Ford quote and he was pretty thrilled by it. I love kids.
What post are you referring to?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2014, 18:09
Clothes can be bought in any color, as long as it's black.
This one, referring to
Quote from: Henry Ford
Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 16 Sep 2014, 18:10
Oh, thanks!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2014, 18:15
Anytime :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Sep 2014, 18:17
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 16 Sep 2014, 18:21
I kinda like Claire sans glasses.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 16 Sep 2014, 18:26
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.

I hope it's battery-powered and starts singing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 16 Sep 2014, 18:29
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.

 It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 16 Sep 2014, 18:31
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.

 It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?

I think so, yeah. And I also wondered if she was hesitant for the same reason (Faye, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have thought much of it).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Sep 2014, 18:44
I wonder what the name of this bar is. I'm voting for the "Big-Ass Bass".

It looks like Jimbo's kind of place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 16 Sep 2014, 18:47
I don't get it.  Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2014, 18:49
It keeps everyone else away from weapons. Faye's clever enough to find one should the need occur.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: neurocase on 16 Sep 2014, 18:52
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.

I hope it's battery-powered and starts singing.

Only if it sings like this:


Also, cutest Faye ever in the last panel? Possibly.

singin doo wah diddy diddy dum diddy doo
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Sep 2014, 18:54
What should Claire Wear?

The Blue Dress, cheap beer spills be damned!    1 (3.1%)
Red Flannel with Shorts!    4 (12.5%)
The Smiths shirt!    2 (6.3%)
TEH shirt!    2 (6.3%)
The Kaylee Dress!    1 (3.1%)
Yellow Shirt and Jeans!    1 (3.1%)
"I AM THE PRETTIEST PRINCESS" shirt (borrowed from Marten)    6 (18.8%)
Faye's Yellow Dress (shudder)    0 (0%)
The Swan Dress!    1 (3.1%)
Hoodie and sweats    3 (9.4%)
Something else entirely.    0 (0%)
"She Blinded Me With Library Science" t-shirt! (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC)    11 (34.4%)

Total Members Voted: 32
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 16 Sep 2014, 18:59
Okay, so the stools are bolted to the floor, but I bet that fish can still be used as a lethal weapon.

I hope it's battery-powered and starts singing.
When I read this I suffered a case of brain failure and thought you were talking about the stools, not the fish...  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 16 Sep 2014, 19:01
I kinda like Claire sans glasses.
Heresy!

What should Claire Wear?

The Blue Dress, cheap beer spills be damned!    1 (3.1%)
Red Flannel with Shorts!    4 (12.5%)
The Smiths shirt!    2 (6.3%)
TEH shirt!    2 (6.3%)
The Kaylee Dress!    1 (3.1%)
Yellow Shirt and Jeans!    1 (3.1%)
"I AM THE PRETTIEST PRINCESS" shirt (borrowed from Marten)    6 (18.8%)
Faye's Yellow Dress (shudder)    0 (0%)
The Swan Dress!    1 (3.1%)
Hoodie and sweats    3 (9.4%)
Something else entirely.    0 (0%)
"She Blinded Me With Library Science" t-shirt! (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC)    11 (34.4%)

Total Members Voted: 32

Thinking about it the option "Nothing" would have been nice, specially for edits.

"Fuck fashion, I'm going naked!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sluthy on 16 Sep 2014, 19:13
Clothes can be bought in any color, as long as it's black.
This one, referring to
Quote from: Henry Ford
Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black.

I was about to be a smartass and point out that he never actually said that, but it turns out he did actually say that and QI was wrong. Bugger.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 16 Sep 2014, 19:21
I don't get it.  Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?

Faye has no need for weapons, she is a weapon.

Of mass distraction.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 16 Sep 2014, 19:40
Drinks served in paper cups, stools sawn from logs, tables bolted to the floor. Everything too light, too heavy, or bolted down. German bars in the 30's expected brawls between Nazis and Communists.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 16 Sep 2014, 19:41
Claire looked really young and vulnerable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 16 Sep 2014, 19:53
Quote
I don't get it.  Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?

She's just happy to be in a place where that sort of thing would come up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 16 Sep 2014, 20:08
Last panel, Faye's glass. 

The collarbone line showing through it made me thing she was drinking out of a lab beaker...


Soooo many ways the drama could go once everyone's had a few,  depending on who else shows up.  All I know is that it's impending - whatever it is! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 16 Sep 2014, 21:01
This is my kinda bar!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bjams on 16 Sep 2014, 21:11
Am I the only one who really loves the art in today's comic for some reason? Something about it just strikes a chord with me.

Going back and reviewing it looks like Jeph has settled on a happy median between that new style he was trying and the old one. Everything is still looser, but not quite so.... Well; http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2764
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: slydon on 16 Sep 2014, 22:47
It's very anime. I'm not feeling it, but I know the rule about the art style in here "if you don't like it, wait 2 weeks".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 16 Sep 2014, 23:24
Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 16 Sep 2014, 23:26
CUTEST  :claireface: EVARRRR!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 16 Sep 2014, 23:37
Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?

If we are, it's getting old. I believe we will see some kind of development, however. Probably something breaking someone's heart.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 17 Sep 2014, 01:29
When I read this I suffered a case of brain failure and thought you were talking about the stools, not the fish...  :psyduck:

Iiiiiii am the great mighty poo //
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 17 Sep 2014, 01:32
I don't get it.  Why would Faye like a place that keeps her away from weapons?
Because a place that takes special measures to reduce mortality in case of a brawl probably have brawls often.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 17 Sep 2014, 02:09
So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?

Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.

At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?

Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?

My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.

Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: J on 17 Sep 2014, 02:10
art's a bit on the cartoony side today. i kinda like it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 17 Sep 2014, 02:18
I do think that Jeph said he wouldn't use Claire's trans status for cheap drama.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 17 Sep 2014, 02:32
I do think that Jeph said he wouldn't use Claire's trans status for cheap drama.

Being outed because of a small detail that didn't occur to her because she was excited about going out* with Marten is cheap drama?


*I mean this in the most general social sense possible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 17 Sep 2014, 02:38
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 17 Sep 2014, 02:42
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).

No apology necessary, but thank you.

And true, but consider a few things:

-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.

To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Psuedoname on 17 Sep 2014, 03:26
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.

 It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?

I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten

PS First post, sorry I have no shiny Firefly references to make it a good one
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 17 Sep 2014, 03:59
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.

 It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?

I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten

Me too.

Quote
PS First post, sorry I have no shiny Firefly references to make it a good one

WHAT? No Firefly reference? All right, you're welcome anyway.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Psuedoname on 17 Sep 2014, 04:11
Claire's always cute, no matter what. I wonder if she's still careful around Faye after the can incident, and that's why her greeting seems a little hesitant.

 It's nice to see her without her glasses again. IIRC it's been since the wedding, hasn't it?

I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten

Me too.

Quote
PS First post, sorry I have no shiny Firefly references to make it a good one

WHAT? No Firefly reference? All right, you're welcome anyway.  :laugh:

Don't worry, I will aim to misbehave in any future posts
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 17 Sep 2014, 04:55
So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?

Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.

At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?

Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?

My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.

Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.

If this was the case, then one would think Claire would've had trouble with her "identity" at Henry Reed's Wedding not once (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2383)....but twice. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2400)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Qoheleth on 17 Sep 2014, 05:51
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).

No apology necessary, but thank you.

And true, but consider a few things:

-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.

To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.

If I had to guess I'd say they are at Hugo's which is still in Northampton proper.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Sep 2014, 06:40
A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Sep 2014, 06:48
In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Sep 2014, 07:06
Mass is the best place I have lived so far. The laws related to equality are pretty awesome, at least by the standards of the USA.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Sep 2014, 07:21
Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?

I doubt it, Jeph isn't really the kind of writer who sets up a story like this and not have some sort of dramatic pay off. Considering as well that Dora is cutting Sven out of her life, which as I understand it, is just a step below completely disowning him and Angus going for the most important interview in his life (so far), there's just too many people in this who could get hurt to end up with a Pintsize gag at the end.

Jeph tends to go for the slow pay-off with these stories, even the lighter stories (like Hanners' dad's birthday). But this is certainly gearing up to be a major storyline and it most certainly feels like something is going to change.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Sep 2014, 07:26
I can speak from experience* that the easiest part would be to change the gender on your driver's license.


* - Cousin. Jenny growing up; now Jesse. He didn't change it too much.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ConmanTheBarbarian on 17 Sep 2014, 07:30
Ah, the balloons are done with fashion experimentation and have realized that black borders are timeless.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 17 Sep 2014, 07:41
In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.
Faye now has a vigilante name.  We need to name everyone.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 17 Sep 2014, 08:35
Mass is the best place I have lived so far. The laws related to equality are pretty awesome, at least by the standards of the USA.

I keep telling a schoolteacher friend of mine from North Carolina that she should move to Massachusetts. Not only would she be able to marry her partner, but we also pay our teachers a living wage.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 17 Sep 2014, 08:56
A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...

That's awesome. As someone who has unreasonable anxiety in the face of bureacratic or H.R.-intensive paperwork and red tape, I just imagined it would be tougher.

Man, I  love living in a non-shitty U.S. state.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 17 Sep 2014, 08:59
I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).

No apology necessary, but thank you.

And true, but consider a few things:

-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.

To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.

If I had to guess I'd say they are at Hugo's which is still in Northampton proper.

Either Hugo's or Ye Olde Watering Hole. Or if this was taking place in 2004 or earlier, maybe Silent Cal's. I used to live in the apartments just above Ye Olde, and split my time between there and Hugo's equally. And yeah, they're both in NoHo proper, but those four blocks down from Main St. feel like a whole other world.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: notethreader on 17 Sep 2014, 09:07
Quote
So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?

Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.

At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?

Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?

My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.

Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.

I live in NY, which has pretty similar laws for changing your gender marker on your ID. I have friends in Mass, we compared. It only took me a couple months to do so, although most of that was because of my laziness. Really, it only took a couple weeks. I had to be on hormones for about 3 -4 months then my doctor gave me a letter which I took to the DMV and they changed it no problem.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 17 Sep 2014, 10:49
I want a montage with Steve trying out different cereals.

I would read the hell out of that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 17 Sep 2014, 12:15
A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...

In Denmark the law has recently been changed. You can now get your legal gender changed without any modification to your anatomy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Sep 2014, 12:20
In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.
Faye now has a vigilante name.  We need to name everyone.

She's had it for a while. I think it was DSL who first came up with it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 17 Sep 2014, 14:20
Nice place
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 14:54
Wait, "Pugnacious Peach" was a forum invention?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Sep 2014, 16:01
I don't recall who came up with it, but I made this at the time:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5125/5349471384_102a9b8923_o.jpg)

So that puts it at the time of Marten's drunken pass / KO. 

Also, the search function came up empty, but maybe I was doing it wrong? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zwammy on 17 Sep 2014, 16:54
I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten

Same here - or towards Faye as well, since she walked in and saw only the two of them. Claire has always been a bit leery of Faye, and then there was the awkward moment of sharing a bed with Marten. I don't recall seeing these three alone in a drinking situation, and as was mentioned, the talk between her and Clinton brought up issues about feeling safe - so there are many layers to any feelings she is having, I'm sure.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Sep 2014, 17:14
The earliest reference I found. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26849.msg1043632.html#msg1043632)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 17:19
Are you sure she's never called that in the comic?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 17 Sep 2014, 17:21
This post (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25915.msg1001154/topicseen.html#msg1001154) seems to be the origin of the phrase. This reply (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25915.msg1001180/topicseen.html#msg1001180) supports that theory.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Sep 2014, 18:05
You know, giving a piggyback ride when you've lost a game is not nearly as fun as getting a piggyback ride when you've won a game.

Although crashing from a piggyback ride and cutting up your face because your both drunk is not a whole lot of fun either.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 18:07
Honestly I prefer giving piggyback rides to getting them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 17 Sep 2014, 18:13
If she lost would she have to give him a piggyback ride?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 17 Sep 2014, 18:17
My question exactly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 18:18
They probably had different stakes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 17 Sep 2014, 18:23
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 17 Sep 2014, 18:46
Honestly I prefer giving piggyback rides to getting them.

Yeah, but when you're one of the tallest people in a group, it gets kinda boring very quickly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 18:47
(shrugs) I'm too tall and too heavy to go on someone's back.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 17 Sep 2014, 18:53
Are we seeing an author avatar there with Tai?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Sep 2014, 18:56
Is Jeph a fan of Blood Fukk?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 17 Sep 2014, 20:12
Wait, "Pugnacious Peach" was a forum invention?
Yes, by DSL, on 12th January 2011 (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25915.msg1001154/topicseen.html#msg1001154), in the library, with a lead pipe.

What if Tai had lost? She must be stronger than she looks.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 17 Sep 2014, 21:26
Okay, that was all before I joined, but the point is that they all need vigilante names now. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 17 Sep 2014, 22:00
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 17 Sep 2014, 22:50
I would have thought it would be this (http://www.restorationaffiliates.com/case-studies/mold-threatens-rare-book-vault-columbia-university-library/), which I remember seeing in the news when it happened.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Scarblac on 18 Sep 2014, 00:55
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
Neubauten's founder and singer Blixa Bargeld was also a legendary member of The Bad Seeds (Nick Cave's band) between 1984 and 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thHx7cdoaAc
Fragment of a Nick Cave interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsmnd1p3M8
"Half the time he doesn't own a guitar.  Comes to tour with no guitar! Where's your guitar Blixa? Huh, don't know. I don't have it anymore. And he uses the support band's guitar. And... but... he can make the guitar sound like nothing you've heard before. He's brilliant, he's my hero."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 18 Sep 2014, 01:07
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.
Do *not* taunt St. Blixa.  Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: neurocase on 18 Sep 2014, 01:14
Fun little montage, but I'm getting paranoid waiting for the other shoe to drop vis a vis "teh dramaz". :psyduck:

*eye twitch*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 18 Sep 2014, 01:59
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
They have plenty of great tracks.  Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist.  And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".

On another note, the comic has too much potential adorable going on, since there are both Claire and Hanners in close proximity.

Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 18 Sep 2014, 04:55
1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

2. Re #2793 - I don't know if that was Jephzibar's intent, but if a guy gave me a pupils-dilated look like Marten gave Claire when she walked in, I'd go melty.

3. There were no stools to bolt down, but this place reminds me of the "Native Rose" pub next to Sydney Uni back in the 70s. Complete with dartboard.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: katsmeat on 18 Sep 2014, 05:55
It will happen to you, Clare, it will.

Though I believe the trick is to remove the dust with a soft brush, while clamping the book firmly shut to make sure no dust gets between the pages.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 18 Sep 2014, 06:05
1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

Mustard is a condiment. Her shirt is yellow.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Sep 2014, 06:11
I'd say it's more orange than yellow.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 18 Sep 2014, 07:38
What dart game uses 8 darts?

And that shirt is orange. Not yellow. Not mustard-colored. Orange.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 07:56
Sorry to disappoint some of you:
(click to show/hide)

Mustard would have been a little more yellowish, with a slight tint in the direction of green.

Oh, and by the way, the name for Claire's eye colour is great:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 18 Sep 2014, 08:21
Curious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 Sep 2014, 08:37
I just looked and my driving licence doesn't have a gender marker on it, other than my name (Miss May-restofname Surname) and I assume the title would change with the rest of the name. You can change your name, including title, unilaterally by simply creating a deed poll which is free to do, legally binding and an acceptable proof of name. One of the acceptable options for a title is Mx, which I have started to see used on forms which require you to pick a title :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCallMeFez on 18 Sep 2014, 09:04
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.
Do *not* taunt St. Blixa.  Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.
Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.
Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqC7Wx2-nE)
Ich warte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b831nCMRI4Y)
They have plenty of great tracks.  Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist.  And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".

On another note, the comic has too much potential adorable going on, since there are both Claire and Hanners in close proximity.

Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.

ER MER GERD! This is the first time I've had QC reference a random band that I like that is relatively unknown. Love these guys. I feel like I a truly a hipster now that QC has referenced one of my favorite bands.

Nagorny Karabach was my benchmark for learning German in college. As the semester progressed I could understand more and more of it. So good! <3 Jeph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd-6WweqD0Y
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Sep 2014, 10:15
First Marten/Faye banter and now a band reference? It's like Jeph is giving a present to people who miss the early days of QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Shjade on 18 Sep 2014, 12:22
2. Re #2793 - I don't know if that was Jephzibar's intent, but if a guy gave me a pupils-dilated look like Marten gave Claire when she walked in, I'd go melty.
Comparing his eyes in that strip to the one in the strip before (where he's talking to Faye), I see no significant difference in pupil size. Dude just has massive pupils, apparently.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 18 Sep 2014, 12:26
'Scenes From a Bar'
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 18 Sep 2014, 13:03
1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

Mustard is a condiment. Her shirt is yellow.

Per the XKCD color survey:

mustard
dark mustard
light mustard
mustard green
mustard brown
mustard yellow
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 18 Sep 2014, 13:14
The first time I heard of Einstürzende Neubauten was in the late '80s in Time Magazine (or maybe Newsweek... some run-of-the-mill newsweekly at any rate), of all places. They'd sent a reporter to a gig that the band had done in the parking lot of a supermarket, complete with mic'ed shopping carts and slabs of meat. You could tell the writer was a bit nonplussed by the whole thing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 18 Sep 2014, 17:17
Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.
Opt-u and Opt-s respectively, yes. But to type the umlaut in Einstürzend Neubauten in a speech-balloon would imply that Dora was actually pronouncing the band's name as would be correct in German. Come on English-speakers, 'fess up; how many of you pronounce it as recommended here (http://www.pronounceitright.com/pronounce/12215/einsturzende-neubauten)? Next you'll be telling me that you pronounce correctly 窒息 (zhìxī) and 撕裂 (sīliè). :P
(click to show/hide)

NSW drivers licences don't carry a gender marker on the licence card itself, but I believe that the records held for each driver on the RTA's computer system do. I don't know at what stage in legal transitioning that can be changed. It obviously has potential for trouble if a police officer or RTA official is not professional.

Edit: Fixed misattributed quote.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 17:26
That doesn't sound like it was recorded by a native speaker. Here's (http://halfur.de/pic/neubauten.mp3) an MP3 of how I pronounce it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 18 Sep 2014, 17:33
A Claire walks in a bar...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 18 Sep 2014, 17:34
Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.
Opt-u and Opt-s respectively, yes. But to type the umlaut in Einstürzend Neubauten in a speech-balloon would imply that Dora was actually pronouncing the band's name as would be correct in German. Come on English-speakers, 'fess up; how many of you pronounce it as recommended
*Cough* I do, and it wasn't just the year of German I took.  And to his credit, Jeph *did* bother to spell out the name in the normal English transliteration.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 17:36
Right. I don't mind this transliteration. I would have minded a simple substitution of ü by u.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 18 Sep 2014, 19:08
All I know is that in Ode to Joy, that bit where the chorus chant the word "brüüüder," it's impossible for me not to hear "breeder."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 18 Sep 2014, 19:32
Everyone prepared for a Friday Special?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Sep 2014, 19:34
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 18 Sep 2014, 19:40
it's the cleanest of all the beverages!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 18 Sep 2014, 19:42
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)

I wondered that myself. Also Claire is drinking something red - I'm surprised she hasn't become a dedicated scotch drinker after her awakening at the wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Sep 2014, 20:14
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)

Carbonated water.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Near Lurker on 18 Sep 2014, 20:20
The bits of white suggest either ice or carbonation, possibly both.  The glass looks like a short - short gin and tonic, maybe?  This bar looks like the kind of place that wouldn't put a lime in.

EDIT: Actually, now that I'm looking at the glasses, I'm wondering what kind of bar has both Hannelore's glass and Claire's.  They both look like short glasses, but two different styles of short glasses.  In any case, since I noticed the stir, I think I can say confidently Claire has a Cape Cod.  That, or Claire decided this wasn't a bar she wanted to be drunk in and got a cranberry juice, and it's policy to serve non-alcoholic drinks in that style glass.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Sep 2014, 20:24
I'm guessing Claire's drink is a vodka cranberry. As for why she isn't drinking scotch, I don't think she cam afford the good stuff on an intern's salary.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 18 Sep 2014, 20:47
The bits of white suggest either ice or carbonation, possibly both.  The glass looks like a short - short gin and tonic, maybe?  This bar looks like the kind of place that wouldn't put a lime in.

EDIT: Actually, now that I'm looking at the glasses, I'm wondering what kind of bar has both Hannelore's glass and Claire's.  They both look like short glasses, but two different styles of short glasses.  In any case, since I noticed the stir, I think I can say confidently Claire has a Cape Cod.  That, or Claire decided this wasn't a bar she wanted to be drunk in and got a cranberry juice, and it's policy to serve non-alcoholic drinks in that style glass.

By the looks of the glasses, Hanners has a rocks glass, typically used for cocktails served with ice. The wide body would allow the ice to be stirred easily enough without damaging the flavour of the cocktail. They're also typically used for strong spirits (as often served without ice as they are with), whereby the open neck of the glass would allow the drinker to fully enjoy the aroma of the drink, which is often as enjoyable as the drink itself.

Claire appears to have a Collins glass, which serve a similar function as a champagne flute (usually to keep the bubbles in a drink flowing). Often served with ice and mainly used for sweeter drinks rather than spirits.

So at a rough guess, I'm going to say that if Hanners is having an alcoholic drink, it's most likely an Absolut Reddy or Brazilian Heather. That's just going by it's "clear". As for Claire, I imagine she has some variation of a Seabreeze or Bloody Mary.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 18 Sep 2014, 21:37
I'm gonna go with: Claire's glass is a bar glass. Hanners brought her own.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 18 Sep 2014, 21:48
Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.
That was not me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 18 Sep 2014, 21:51
I don't see any glasses. Actually I only see the Thursday comic. Is thwere some way to make the Friday comic appear?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 21:52
It hasn't been posted yet. They're talking about the drinking glasses.

Okay, so now that the Scottish independence referendum is over I'd like the comic so I can go to sleep…
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Sep 2014, 22:45
Why'd you stay up all night for that? Quick googling yesterday had told me the results wouldn't be available until roughly now anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 22:52
Ah, there's the drama bomb we all have been waiting for!

Loki: The local results were being announced as they were done, so from about 1:00 am on there have been constant announcements. I've been listening to BBC Radio Scotland the whole night, and their report was really good. I learnt a lot about politics in the UK and Scotland this night.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Sep 2014, 22:54
Not much of a bomb - just drunken insight. 

The truth is often a bit of a shock...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 18 Sep 2014, 22:57
Ah, I had no idea they would announce results as early as that.

@comic: Oh boy...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 18 Sep 2014, 22:57
It hasn't been posted yet. They're talking about the drinking glasses.

Obviously drinking glasses. I somehow managed to miss the glasses in the first panel. The first thing to go blind is your eyes, as the saying goes in these parts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Sep 2014, 22:57
I like the detail in this comic. It's great how Claire's pupils become narrow suddenly.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ASB84 on 18 Sep 2014, 23:02
Well...to be perfectly honest, I was hoping that Steve would get wasted and emotional after just two beers, and finally reveal his surname.

But this is an interesting development too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 18 Sep 2014, 23:14
(Kosh voice)
And so it begins
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 18 Sep 2014, 23:25
 I need a picture of Hannelore squeeing, because Eeeeeeeeeee!

Edit-Calling Cereal for monday.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Sep 2014, 23:32
Here you go - last panel.   (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1708)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Auramis on 18 Sep 2014, 23:34
*Steeples fingers.* We were waiting for this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 18 Sep 2014, 23:38
Here you go - last panel.   (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1708)

Good, gooood.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 18 Sep 2014, 23:39
Neither is ß.
Is eszet or eszett preferred?  I see both lots of places.

ẞß
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 18 Sep 2014, 23:41
And Faye goes in for the kill.... :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 18 Sep 2014, 23:47
Back to old school QC: awkward romantic entanglements and Marten not having picked up on any of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 18 Sep 2014, 23:47
@comic: Oh boy...
Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition. Claire will be devastated, because there is no way she is going to admit this, either to herself or to others. She will proceed to get very drunk, and will need to be carried to Marten and Faye's sofa, before finally barfing in Marten's lap.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 18 Sep 2014, 23:52
I'm gonna go with "pretty much the whole fuckin' time," Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 18 Sep 2014, 23:52
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)

Romulan Ale



Annd Jeph uses the Norden Bombsight.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 19 Sep 2014, 00:03
They forgot to invite Emily to the bar. I miss her. Sometimes Jeph leaves us hanging for a very long time before resolving a storyline. There might be a catfight between Claire and Emily in the future, although I rather hope not. Poor Marten might be forced to make a choice, which he is not very good at.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 19 Sep 2014, 00:11
Emily wasn't there on her day off. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: neurocase on 19 Sep 2014, 00:28
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 19 Sep 2014, 00:32
I wonder what that blue stuff Hanners is drinking is. (Please nobody say water, because that is a boring answer)
Tonic drink under a black light.  We already know that Hanners is a fan of gin.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Shjade on 19 Sep 2014, 00:34
I'm gonna go with "pretty much the whole fuckin' time," Faye.

Nah, she wasn't particularly impressed with him when they met and he was all, "Hi I'm totally unqualified for your dream job." It had to develop some time after that. Maybe around the time he was so chill about her letting him in on her secret? That's my guess.

Regarding today's comic: WELP

Warning - while you were typing a new WELP has been WELPed. You may wish to WELP your WELP.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 19 Sep 2014, 01:16
@comic: Oh boy...
Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition.

I'd say just simple observation skills..! Claire is naïve and has that young adult crush vibe happening..
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 19 Sep 2014, 01:22
@comic: Oh boy...
Indeed. Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition. Claire will be devastated, because there is no way she is going to admit this, either to herself or to others. She will proceed to get very drunk, and will need to be carried to Marten and Faye's sofa, before finally barfing in Marten's lap.

Horrible Regurgitations?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 19 Sep 2014, 01:33
IT'S HAPPENING!

15 pages by Monday?

And, there's a tiny part of me wondering if Claire thinks the idea's absurd and that's why she's spit-taking, but no, I'm pretty sure Faye got it in one. It is kinda obvious with how she carries herself around Marten, really, and her going at 33,600 backpedals per second when she seemingly almost admitted her feelings for Marten in 2785 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2785).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 19 Sep 2014, 01:51
Hm I'm not sure, it could go either way here. She might deny, she might admit it and say "but he's not interested in me", she might say "I do like him but I don't want to be involved with anyone at the moment, I'm focusing on my studies and internship" or something. I hope she goes with the latter, to be honest.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 19 Sep 2014, 02:02
Honestly, I'm thinking the latter is what she tells herself.

And, she's almost certainly got a lot more to be anxious about than I do, and things like that are what I tell myself as an excuse for my anxiety, as a "meh, it's not worth it anyway" kind of thing. And, no, that kind of thing isn't being honest with myself, but it's better than triggering multiple-month-long panic attacks, like what's happened in the past. (Although, she's in treatment for her anxiety, which may help, and I'm not in treatment for mine...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 19 Sep 2014, 02:19
Faye has remarkable telepathic talent. Or perhaps just a little intuition.

And/or she remembers Marten telling her about the cuddling incident (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2411) - a good clue, if she wished to interpret it that way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 19 Sep 2014, 02:39
That doesn't sound like it was recorded by a native speaker. Here's (http://halfur.de/pic/neubauten.mp3) an MP3 of how I pronounce it.
OK, I hope it's not too creepy to say you have a nice voice.

Also, Akima, I wish I could pronounce any Chinese languages - I can get at least passable in German, but I just can't hear what I'm doing wrong except knowing it's wrong in anything at all tonal (we had a couple of cats who stayed in the cattery I worked in called Xing Xing and I think it was Jin Jin but that's not coming up as a name - anyway, it always bothered me knowing I said it wrong. :( )
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 19 Sep 2014, 02:45
Apparently, when really fucking drunk, I can pronounce Mandarin quite well (tones and all).  I found that out where a cute Chinese-American goth girl tried to teach me bits of the language, and was surprised that I nailed at the first try.  Sadly, I had a gf at the time, and also, in my state, forgot the lessons on languages.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Sep 2014, 04:12
To answer Faye's question: I think the crush began to develop shortly after the party at the lake house. It existed in mild form before the wedding arc, and the events of the wedding arc strengthened it. Since then it's been slowly growing, but slowly enough that Claire's been able to deny it to herself. Faye just took that denial away from her, so she suddenly has to face her feelings head-on. Monday is going to be interesting. I hope this does not end with Claire fleeing the bar in panic.

As for how Faye knew: Come on, it's pretty obvious. The good news is that Faye approves.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Madmartigan on 19 Sep 2014, 05:22
Emily wasn't there on her day off.

Such disappointment. I wanna see drunk Emily again.

Meh on this revelation.  Nothing new.  I wanted to see awkward Martin awkward around Emily again, just cuz.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 19 Sep 2014, 06:44
That was not me.
I'm sorry, KOK. I have no idea how I managed that, because none of your posts were even in the one I quoted. I have fixed my posting.

we had a couple of cats who stayed in the cattery I worked in called Xing Xing and I think it was Jin Jin but that's not coming up as a name
Xing is pronounces "shing" in Standard Mandarin. Xing Xing is a fairly common "baby name" in China, meaning "Twin Stars", but without seeing the characters, I can't be sure. In the same way Xi Jingping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping)'s surname is pronounced "she".

Claire was so startled that she spontaneously generated more drink than was in the glass!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Sep 2014, 06:45
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 19 Sep 2014, 06:46
"I wonder what Friday's comic is. Fridays are usually cliffhangers so I bet it's something good...

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss."

Marten is an intern magnet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rhymeless on 19 Sep 2014, 06:50
 :claireface: Yes! All these years of reading and these months of miscellaneous forum lurking have paid off! I'm so stoked, you guys.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Sep 2014, 07:04
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!

Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Sep 2014, 07:05
What should Claire Wear?

The Blue Dress, cheap beer spills be damned!    1 (1.9%)
Red Flannel with Shorts!    6 (11.5%)
The Smiths shirt!    2 (3.8%)
TEH shirt!    4 (7.7%)
The Kaylee Dress!    2 (3.8%)
Yellow Shirt and Jeans!    3 (5.8%)
"I AM THE PRETTIEST PRINCESS" shirt (borrowed from Marten)    10 (19.2%)
Faye's Yellow Dress (shudder)    1 (1.9%)
The Swan Dress!    2 (3.8%)
Hoodie and sweats    3 (5.8%)
Something else entirely.    0 (0%)
"She Blinded Me With Library Science" t-shirt!    18 (34.6%) (Go buy yours here (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-BLINDED&Category_Code=QC))

Total Members Voted: 52
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Sep 2014, 07:05
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!

Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Sep 2014, 07:21
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!

Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
No, this is the one that's made from duct tape and three large cardboard boxes and a couple of straw periscopes sticking out from it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Sep 2014, 07:22
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!

Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?

Win for referencing UBMEOD! (You forgot the "Useless" part, by the way)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Sep 2014, 07:26
Maybe cesium has actually found a use for a broom made entirely of dicks.

If so, I do not want to know what it is.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: miados on 19 Sep 2014, 07:27
Hah. I had hoped she liked him and that was why she was at the library on her day off.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Sep 2014, 07:49
oh schnap! We have reached Troll Level Jeph! Everyone to the lifeboats! Women and children first! Abandon ship, abandon ship!

Right, where's that reinforced bunker I built for situations like this?
Is that the one we repurposed as a closet for the Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?

Win for referencing UBMEOD! (You forgot the "Useless" part, by the way)
I had considered just using the acronym, but I had forgotten what the U stood for.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 19 Sep 2014, 10:22
Maybe cesium has actually found a use for a broom made entirely of dicks.

Perhaps the guy in panel 8 of this comic can use it: (spoiler because OGLAF)
(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 19 Sep 2014, 10:24
Marten is a good choice for any role up to and including being a confidant, but I don't think a life-partner Relationship would work between anyone as ambitious as Claire and Mr. Directionless.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 19 Sep 2014, 10:37
Marten is a good choice for any role up to and including being a confidant, but I don't think a life-partner Relationship would work between anyone as ambitious as Claire and Mr. Directionless.
Actually it could work quite well as long as they both understand that "fixing" the other is the wrong thing to do. The directionless can borrow some direction and the driven can be assured of a relaxed space in their life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 19 Sep 2014, 10:51
I think it could work, despite Claire being incredibly driven and Marten being a floater.

From Claire's side, I suspect she's desperate for something to be stable in her life (look at what happened with her family), something she can rely on to always be there. As long as he's not holding her back... she could be frustrated with his floating through life aimlessly, but I don't think it'd be a dealbreaker.

From Marten's side... he's actually not happy with being a floater, and he wants some sort of direction. However, when someone in his life (in any context, really) is controlling, he's prone to letting them take the lead (Veronica, Faye, and Dora all fit in this pattern, really), and going along with them... Claire may be a better match for him in that regard.

Now, where I see the real problem with them? Claire jumps to conclusions very quickly about infidelity, and is physically destructive towards possessions of an alleged cheater... in a relationship that isn't even hers. Marten not that long ago got out of a relationship like that, although one huge difference is that Claire is actively seeking treatment for her anxieties, whereas Dora only went because Faye threatened her with physical violence if she didn't.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 19 Sep 2014, 11:19
Keep in mind how happy Claire seemed to be about Marten probably still being in the Library for a long time. She seems to like that stability. Also I wouldn't say that Claire is that incredibly driven. Yes, she has goals, in contrast to Marten, but once she reaches those? I think she'll be happy to settle down in a nice quiet life as a librarian.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 19 Sep 2014, 13:44
Pretty much anyone seems driven when compared to Marten lol
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 19 Sep 2014, 13:47
Marten goes nowhere.
Marten bends, and does not break.
He is the willow.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 19 Sep 2014, 14:32
Monday is going to be interesting.
I hope you like cereal!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 19 Sep 2014, 15:08
Marten goes nowhere.
Marten bends, and does not break.
He is the willow.

Coo coo kachoo
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 19 Sep 2014, 15:17
Pretty much anyone seems driven when compared to Marten lol

Really?  Because the majority of the people in this comic seem to be coasting along, save for a number of characters I could still count on one hand.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 19 Sep 2014, 16:04
Well, I'll be! We've all been seeing hints of this for a while now, and it's finally been called out. And now, a decision: acknowledge or deny? Or run? Running is also a possibility. Choose carefully.

But seriously, there is much dramatic irony here. Marten's weird about Emily because he thinks she's into him and he isn't keen on the idea of the intern/superior dynamic in a relationship. Or the relationship dynamic in the workplace. If he brings that to light within earshot of Claire, well, then what? Though she could take solace in the fact that he doesn't see the library job as his end goal, so maybe she could encourage him to pursue a career goal he'd be more interested in? It might grow Marten in the direction of, well, having a direction.

Or she could deny this allegation, overhear Marten talking about this, and then proceed to give herself away in the awkwardly comedic manner we've come to expect from her.

In any case, I have no reason to doubt Faye's judgment here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 19 Sep 2014, 16:52
Keep in mind that that's not the entire reason that he's weird about Emily being into him...

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2757

Claire would be a rather different story in that regard. It'd be tearable puns that he'd have to worry about, not mice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Sep 2014, 17:10
I would also imagine that Marten wouldn't want to deal with the complication of having an intern with a crush working for him. Tai might make light of it, but rules like that exist for a reason and for all his faults regarding personal drive, Marten is a decent guy and not going to put anyone in that position.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 19 Sep 2014, 17:34
Daaaaaaaayum. Faye coming right out and asking for the forum.

I sense we're ALL going to be disappointed on Monday some how. I can FEEL it in my rum.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 19 Sep 2014, 17:38
Tuesday, on the other hand,  is going to be cause for celebration. Just you wait.  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Sep 2014, 17:43
Daaaaaaaayum. Faye coming right out and asking for the forum.

I sense we're ALL going to be disappointed on Monday some how. I can FEEL it in my rum.
On Monday Steve finds out how much weight he's gained eating all that cereal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheEvilDog on 19 Sep 2014, 17:52
Nah, the whole of next week's comics are going to be Cosette with her head stuck between some iron railings and her efforts to try and get out. The culmination of that storyline will be firefighters freeing her and driving off, just before Cosette gets her leg stuck in a drain.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 19 Sep 2014, 18:16
we had a couple of cats who stayed in the cattery I worked in called Xing Xing and I think it was Jin Jin but that's not coming up as a name
Xing is pronounces "shing" in Standard Mandarin. Xing Xing is a fairly common "baby name" in China, meaning "Twin Stars", but without seeing the characters, I can't be sure. In the same way Xi Jingping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping)'s surname is pronounced "she".
Ah, I meant that they were two cats, one called Xing Xing, that I said kind of "shing shing" but you can hear it's not quite the same when the owners said it. :D The other cat was Jin Jin (that's how it was spelled in the computer, anyway).

I am jealous of people with language skills, hedgie! I really want to learn Thai, but that is pretty bloody hard. My little sister had a Thai friend, and she would get us to say words then laugh at how we sucked (apparently my little brother "sounds like a girl!"), but my sister, who was about 12 at the time, could do it. Which I thought was really interesting from the perspective that apparently it's almost impossible to learn to hear tonal languages properly if you don't learn them before around 13ish.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 19 Sep 2014, 18:27
Claire was so startled that she spontaneously generated more drink than was in the glass!

Not really. If you've ever, say, blown bubbles in a glass of liquid, or even stirred it vigorously, you'll notice that the liquid starts to go up the side of the glass. I'd think that effect's probably multiplied when someone's coughing/snarfing/doing an embarrassed spit-take into their drink.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 19 Sep 2014, 18:39
I just want to see how Claire (or any character really) measures the passage of time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 19 Sep 2014, 18:41
Nah. Cosette will trip over one of many errant empty boxes of cereal. She'll be angry at Steve, but he can do nothing. It would be Monday, and they don't take the trash until Tuesday. Meanwhile, every trash can in his neighborhood is already filled to the brim with cereal boxes. He is powerless to clean his house of the box madness. The final panel will just be him, sitting on a throne of unopened cereal boxes, head in hands, as he wonders what has happened to his life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 19 Sep 2014, 20:00

I am jealous of people with language skills, hedgie! I really want to learn Thai, but that is pretty bloody hard. My little sister had a Thai friend, and she would get us to say words then laugh at how we sucked (apparently my little brother "sounds like a girl!")
Well, some languages are so heavily gendered that is strongly impacts how one speaks.  And I don't have some magical proficiency for Chinese, nor any other language.  I'm more like a parrot mimicking the sounds (and tones if needed).  I have a great ear, and if I actually had any musical talent, I could of put it to use.  Instead, I'm stuck with drunk ladies trying to teach me Mandarin and pretending to be Scouse when going to bars.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 19 Sep 2014, 23:22
Nah. Cosette will trip over one of many errant empty boxes of cereal. She'll be angry at Steve, but he can do nothing. It would be Monday, and they don't take the trash until Tuesday. Meanwhile, every trash can in his neighborhood is already filled to the brim with cereal boxes. He is powerless to clean his house of the box madness. The final panel will just be him, sitting on a throne of unopened cereal boxes, head in hands, as he wonders what has happened to his life.
Like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thinker
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 20 Sep 2014, 02:34
I guess that's better than nothing, hedgie? Heh. I have a good ear for music and I think OK for language, but do not pick it up quickly. I plan to try learning German soon (my father's language he wouldn't teach me as a child), but I have deep distrust for my abilities given how that went in school (I know, anything remotely like immersion will be better).

Anyway. Will stop derail. I am enjoying the last few strips, anyway.  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 08:27
OK, elephant in the room:

Of all the reasons Marten might be into or not into dating Claire, I think we have to also consider the really obvious one: The trans issue. Marten's a cool, completely accepting guy, obviously, but being Claire's confidant about her transition and being in a romantic/sexual relationship with her could be two very different things. I don't care how open-minded and LGBTQ-friendly you are, or how accepting of the idea that Claire is, in fact, a woman, and that biology is not gender, etc., etc...for a lot of dudes, it would still be a big deal and something to come to terms with. I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.

For these reasons, I hope Marten DOES embark on a relationship with Claire, not because I necessarily think they'd be an awesome couple, but because it would be fascinating to see these issues - which again, I think would be at least in the back of any straight dude's mind - being worked out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Sep 2014, 08:41
We don't know anything about Claire's genitalia. For that matter we don't know anything about Dora's genitalia, or Padma's. Speculation about this is not appropriate, or respectful.

That being said, your post was as close to being acceptable as I think a post on this topic could get. But I really don't want to open the floodgates to a discussion on this issue.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 20 Sep 2014, 08:52
Marten is pretty much a rudderless boat.  Claire could possibly provide him one if that ship sails.  I won't say more in order to not break the shipping rules.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Sep 2014, 09:08
I find it pretty sweet how they all look out for each other - Marten wanted to make sure that Angus was a decent guy when he suspected that Faye might be interested, now Faye is returning the favour. In general in my experience if your friends dislike your partner, it's not a great sign. They're more objective than you (usually) so more likely to see warning signs.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 09:47
We don't know anything about Claire's genitalia. For that matter we don't know anything about Dora's genitalia, or Padma's. Speculation about this is not appropriate, or respectful.

That being said, your post was as close to being acceptable as I think a post on this topic could get. But I really don't want to open the floodgates to a discussion on this issue.

I'm glad it was as close as possible to acceptable, since I consider myself an ally and was 100% going for a respectful and open-minded post.

But I feel compelled to point out that my post did not speculate about genitalia or even use the word. Rather, I was pointing out in a much broader sense that while Claire might rightly consider herself a woman, and it is (I believe) the obligation of society to therefore also consider her that way, it could be a tough hurdle to get past for a heterosexual guy who's only been with cis-women. For a lot of reasons. The genital-compatibility question is by no means the most important aspect.

So really, my speculation isn't about Claire's body but about Marten's mindset and comfort with his own sexuality. It seems to me an important question, and a far more interesting one than whether Marten feels it's ethical to date an intern.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Sep 2014, 09:58
My point is that this is a dangerous topic of conversation. Anyway, the no-shipping rule applies here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 20 Sep 2014, 10:05
OK, elephant in the room:

Of all the reasons Marten might be into or not into dating Claire, I think we have to also consider the really obvious one: The trans issue. Marten's a cool, completely accepting guy, obviously, but being Claire's confidant about her transition and being in a romantic/sexual relationship with her could be two very different things. I don't care how open-minded and LGBTQ-friendly you are, or how accepting of the idea that Claire is, in fact, a woman, and that biology is not gender, etc., etc...for a lot of dudes, it would still be a big deal and something to come to terms with. I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.

For these reasons, I hope Marten DOES embark on a relationship with Claire, not because I necessarily think they'd be an awesome couple, but because it would be fascinating to see these issues - which again, I think would be at least in the back of any straight dude's mind - being worked out.

I think that the very reasons you give point very strongly to this not happening. It would change the comic utterly. This has so far not been a comic about being trans, or gay, or an indie music fan, or traumatized by a parent's suicide or what have you. There are chararacters who are all these things, but none of these issues is the focus of the story. They are each brought up occasionally. Claire is not Clare Augustus, trans woman. She is Claire Augustus, library science student, intern, punster, sister, friend, who is also trans. Her getting into a relationship would change all that. Especially if the relationship is with the central character of the comic.

Of course Jeph might want a change. But until now he has been very firm about not going that way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 10:06
My point is that this is a dangerous topic of conversation. Anyway, the no-shipping rule applies here.

Aside from bringing up Obamacare around my Tea Party uncle, I'd like to think "dangerous topic of conversation" is something of an oxymoron.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Sep 2014, 10:12
It is dangerous because there are a lot of underinformed people and a handful of bigots and I don't want them to come out of the woodwork and start pissing people off. There are members of this forum for whom this isn't an interesting theoretical topic of conversation but a lived reality and as with anyone's lived reality it is important not to trample all over their feelings. I'm not shutting down the conversation (yet) but I am just issuing a warning. Be careful. Be respectful. Remember that you might be discussing a fictional character but you're discussing an attribute that real people share.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 20 Sep 2014, 12:39
 I don't think the comic would really go there beyond the initial question of whether he's interested or not. If the answer to that is 'yes' then he might need to do some soul searching(and maybe jump some unrelated hurdles, like the intern thing) before dating her. But if they become a couple I don't think it'd be used as a point of drama and any sexytime issues would be privately worked out off panel.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 12:48
OK, elephant in the room:

Of all the reasons Marten might be into or not into dating Claire, I think we have to also consider the really obvious one: The trans issue. Marten's a cool, completely accepting guy, obviously, but being Claire's confidant about her transition and being in a romantic/sexual relationship with her could be two very different things. I don't care how open-minded and LGBTQ-friendly you are, or how accepting of the idea that Claire is, in fact, a woman, and that biology is not gender, etc., etc...for a lot of dudes, it would still be a big deal and something to come to terms with. I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.

For these reasons, I hope Marten DOES embark on a relationship with Claire, not because I necessarily think they'd be an awesome couple, but because it would be fascinating to see these issues - which again, I think would be at least in the back of any straight dude's mind - being worked out.

I think that the very reasons you give point very strongly to this not happening. It would change the comic utterly. This has so far not been a comic about being trans, or gay, or an indie music fan, or traumatized by a parent's suicide or what have you. There are chararacters who are all these things, but none of these issues is the focus of the story. They are each brought up occasionally. Claire is not Clare Augustus, trans woman. She is Claire Augustus, library science student, intern, punster, sister, friend, who is also trans. Her getting into a relationship would change all that. Especially if the relationship is with the central character of the comic.

Of course Jeph might want a change. But until now he has been very firm about not going that way.

I don't think that Claire getting into a relationship per se would fundamentally change the comic any more than Dora and Tai getting together or Dale and Marigold getting together has changed it. If it WAS with the main character, that would be different since we are, as readers, almost always privy to Marten's private life and inner thoughts and conflicts. But let me add that I am not predicting this, nor even shipping in the traditional sense. Jeph has teased the idea for over a year now, and the comic finally just made it explicit, so it doesn't strike me as beyond the pale to respond to what Faye said. That said, considering how MUCH he's teased it, I agree, it probably won't happen.

And I agree, Jeph has done an astonishingly admirable job of making Claire all of the things you mentioned and not merely a token character. But at the same time, all of the plot developments and character fixations you mention might not be major THEMES of the comic - i.e. What the Comic is About - but they are things that happened and things that affect the characters, and they surely have been catalysts for the things that ARE the major themes and ideas and arguments of the comic. Sure, it would be hideously inaccurate to summarize Faye as The One Whose Dad Killed Himself or Dora as The Bisexual Goth. But the far richer character development we've seen can be traced back to those descriptions.

And so, while Claire is much more than Claire Augustus, trans woman, she IS a trans woman - if it was truly unimportant to the comic's diegetic universe, why ever even reveal it? - and at least three fairly major story developments (coming out to Marten, coming out to Emily, Clinton's brotherly concern for her safety) have turned on this. I mean it as nothing but high praise for Jeph when I speculate that eventually her trans status might open up an interesting development viz. the possible limits of sexual open-mindedness of a guy who, up to this point, has shown himself to be nothing but open-minded, inclusive, and non-judgmental.

 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 20 Sep 2014, 12:52
In Marten's favor he seems to have been flawless at treating Claire as belonging to her actual gender.

A while ago I talked to our local trans people about whether there was a good way to discuss whether Marten would have to be open-minded. Phrased that way, their opinion as I understood is was that the discussion would be neither abusive nor tolerable. It would hurt despite all participants acting in good faith.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 20 Sep 2014, 13:45
My last hopeful comment for this week's thread.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 20 Sep 2014, 14:49
But I feel compelled to point out that my post did not speculate about genitalia or even use the word. Rather, I was pointing out in a much broader sense that while Claire might rightly consider herself a woman, and it is (I believe) the obligation of society to therefore also consider her that way, it could be a tough hurdle to get past for a heterosexual guy who's only been with cis-women. For a lot of reasons. The genital-compatibility question is by no means the most important aspect.

We acknowledge and respect your intentions and thank you for them.

Let's put the topic on the shelf until and unless Marten and Claire actually do become a couple, and then only if the discussion won't pour acid on wounds for the trans people here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 15:30
But I feel compelled to point out that my post did not speculate about genitalia or even use the word. Rather, I was pointing out in a much broader sense that while Claire might rightly consider herself a woman, and it is (I believe) the obligation of society to therefore also consider her that way, it could be a tough hurdle to get past for a heterosexual guy who's only been with cis-women. For a lot of reasons. The genital-compatibility question is by no means the most important aspect.

We acknowledge and respect your intentions and thank you for them.

Let's put the topic on the shelf until and unless Marten and Claire actually do become a couple, and then only if the discussion won't pour acid on wounds for the trans people here.

That rather patronizing first line notwithstanding, I don't want to be the pourer of figurative acid, so yes, fine, I'll stop trying to pursue that line of thought, interesting and worthwhile as I might think it would be to discuss.

But let me add that the Draconian defensiveness toward my initial post is baffling and alarming. This talk of what's "acceptable" and "dangerous" as topics of discussion is something I've never really seen on this board. Surely, people don't get shut down for alluding to Faye's "hella issues" out of concern for those whose parents have killed themselves or who have problems with anxiety. Ditto the literally thousands of times, in-comic and on the forum, that Hanners' OCD is ridiculed.

And I don't mean to suggest that Claire's trans identity is, like Faye's and Hanners' issues, some sort of psychopathology. That wasn't the point of the comparison; the point was that, in both cases, the characters has some important trait that, to one extent or another, defines their interactions with others. Again: Jeph has gone to great effort to introduce a trans character and to make her a rounded, complex character. To ignore that aspect of her character (even if it is by no means her DEFINING aspect) and how it might color her interactions with others seems to me MORE offensive and hurtful than anything I've said here or would go on to say.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 20 Sep 2014, 15:35
I think that since Jeph has OCD himself, he's invoking his right to mock it.  As I have mentioned plenty of times before, I have OCD, and I joke about it all the time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 15:41
I think that since Jeph has OCD himself, he's invoking his right to mock it.  As I have mentioned plenty of times before, I have OCD, and I joke about it all the time.

And I, similarly, mock my own anxiety issues. But that's not really the point. I'd say more, but I already promised to abandon this discussion. You can probably piece together my position on it by going back a dozen or so posts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 20 Sep 2014, 15:59
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 20 Sep 2014, 16:37
But let me add that the Draconian defensiveness toward my initial post is baffling and alarming. This talk of what's "acceptable" and "dangerous" as topics of discussion is something I've never really seen on this board.

None the less, they have been issues.  They are defined by the rules, and refined by the mods' interpretation of the rules;  the mods discuss them privately as they see the need, and at times there have been open discussions as well.

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Surely, people don't get shut down for alluding to Faye's "hella issues" out of concern for those whose parents have killed themselves or who have problems with anxiety. Ditto the literally thousands of times, in-comic and on the forum, that Hanners' OCD is ridiculed.

If it's felt that (regardless of intentions) it is done in a way that is likely to cause hurt or upset to some readers, then yes that will happen - and I'm sure that it has happened in all those cases at some time or other.

This is also one of the reasons there is a separate discussion forum - so that difficult subjects can be considered in isolation rather than mixed in with other stuff that can cause misunderstanding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 20 Sep 2014, 16:48
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.

That's...certainly true.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Sep 2014, 18:16
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.

That's one reason why I don't think this is going to happen. Jeph doesn't want to get the level of hate mail he got just for showing Marigold in a bikini that one time, and I think that (for good or bad) any pairing involving Claire would be radioactive.

And with that... Who wants to start next week's thread?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 20 Sep 2014, 18:21
That rather patronizing first line notwithstanding, I don't want to be the pourer of figurative acid, so yes, fine, I'll stop trying to pursue that line of thought, interesting and worthwhile as I might think it would be to discuss.

It was not meant to be patronizing. I'll be more careful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 20 Sep 2014, 18:26
In the end it'll be up to Marten and Claire - via Jeph - to decide where this goes.

That's one reason why I don't think this is going to happen. Jeph doesn't want to get the level of hate mail he got just for showing Marigold in a bikini that one time, and I think that (for good or bad) any pairing involving Claire would be radioactive.

And with that... Who wants to start next week's thread?

How does Marigold in a bikini warrant hate mail?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 20 Sep 2014, 18:39
Since when does hate mail have to be warranted?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 20 Sep 2014, 18:40
Exactly!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 20 Sep 2014, 20:05
That's one reason why I don't think this is going to happen. Jeph doesn't want to get the level of hate mail he got just for showing Marigold in a bikini that one time, and I think that (for good or bad) any pairing involving Claire would be radioactive.

I think if he was dodging a negative reaction Faye would never have dropped the bomb, since Marten rejecting Claire would definitely be a negative reaction. It would have ended with indirectly acknowledging it wouldn't happen with using Emily to establish 'can't date interns'. Since Faye brought it up though I think that's a storyline obstacle to be overcome rather than a blowoff.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 20 Sep 2014, 21:10
Since when does hate mail have to be warranted?

Since the internet existed. Then again, people go full baka with their FACEBOOK profiles....

We don't know anything about Claire's genitalia. For that matter we don't know anything about Dora's genitalia, or Padma's.

Uh, did you forget this strip by chance? (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1300)

EDIT: Holy Shit, I didn't realize the possible foreshadowing in that strip as well in time to current strip events.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 20 Sep 2014, 23:38
I highly doubt that, given it was so long ago.
We also know something about Padma's genitalia:
Marten thinks her boobs are awesome (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=2057).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 20 Sep 2014, 23:46
I highly doubt that, given it was so long ago.
We also know something about Padma's genitalia:
Marten thinks her boobs are awesome (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=2057).

Technically, boobs are not genitalia.  "Secondary sexual characteristics" is the usual term, since they grow in the presence of estrogen and absence of testosterone with no regard for chromosomal makeup (I know, I've oversimplified it a bit, but that's basically the idea, it's a hormonal tug-o-war whose balance determines development). 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 20 Sep 2014, 23:50
Huh. I thought the terms "sexual characteristics" and "genitalia" were largely interchangeable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 21 Sep 2014, 00:39
Huh. I thought the terms "sexual characteristics" and "genitalia" were largely interchangeable.
You think of beards as "genitalia"?

... paints Hanners' reaction to Steve's "beard now" in a different light, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Sep 2014, 01:30
No, breasts aren't genitalia. Genitals are what you've got going on between your legs, in my understanding. It occurs to me that I really ought to know a technical definition of the word, considering what I'm studying (midwifery, for anyone who doesn't know).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 21 Sep 2014, 01:40
Genitals are sexual characteristics, but not all sexual characteristics are genitals.  Generally, genitals are the reproductive bits between the legs - the root is genitus, Latin for the past participle of the verb "To Beget". 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Akima on 21 Sep 2014, 02:23
I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:

"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."

How unprejudiced does that sound?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sidhekin on 21 Sep 2014, 02:37
You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:

"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."

How unprejudiced does that sound?
Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me.  Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 21 Sep 2014, 03:36
I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a trans woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a cis-woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about that aspect of her and have it influence how I see her.
If you don't accept someone, as a romantic partner or anything else, you can't say it isn't a matter of non-acceptance. You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:

"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."

How unprejudiced does that sound?

According to the mods, we're not supposed to be having this conversation. But what I'm trying to say is that while the person's trans status would be on my mind and likely shape how I interact with her and how I see her sexually, that doesn't mean that I don't accept her gender identity, her right to have it, or her right to be treated by and exist in society with it.

I also didn't say I categorically WOULDN'T be romantically involved with a trans woman (well, actually, I wouldn't, but because I'm married, not because of absolute preference). I'm saying that if I did, that fact about her would be something I'd have to come to terms with and would make me ask questions about my own sexuality. I don't think that translates to non-acceptance or discrimination, and I kind of resent the racial comparison (or maybe just your example; my wife is Japanese). It doesn't hold up.

I wish I could say it would make no difference at all, but that's not true, and I think most straight guys whose only experiences have been with cis-women would have to admit that that's the case. Certainly it would be the case with a guy as introspective as Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 21 Sep 2014, 03:43
You cannot acceptingly not accept someone. Suppose I recast this passage like so:

"I know that I wouldn't be able to date or sleep with a Asian woman with the exact same mindset I'd have while dating and sleeping with a white woman. It's not a matter of prejudice or non-acceptance; there just wouldn't be any way to not think about her race and have it influence how I see her."

How unprejudiced does that sound?
Pretty unprejudiced, if you ask me.  Let's not make preference a matter of prejudice, shall we?

Thank you. And I would go further and say it's not even preference so much as being wary of unknowns and differences. Please let me reiterate that I did not say I wouldn't date or sleep with a trans woman. I said that her trans status would influence how I regarded the relationship. And I recognize that this would be due to MY issues and hang-ups, and probably based on ignorance and fear and male sexual stereotypes. But I'm being honest about it, and I think it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

I don't think that's so horrible.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 21 Sep 2014, 03:44
That rather patronizing first line notwithstanding, I don't want to be the pourer of figurative acid, so yes, fine, I'll stop trying to pursue that line of thought, interesting and worthwhile as I might think it would be to discuss.

It was not meant to be patronizing. I'll be more careful.

I misread your tone, then, and I apologize for being snippy about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 21 Sep 2014, 03:46
I'd ask for the matter to be put at rest now (and also for you to use the edit button in the future instead of double-posting, but that's only a minor remark).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 21 Sep 2014, 03:51
I'd ask for the matter to be put at rest now (and also for you to use the edit button in the future instead of double-posting, but that's only a minor remark).

As I said, I wrote those posts fully aware that the topic had been "shelved", but I also wasn't going to let someone call me the equivalent of a racist without defending myself. I also felt I owed another mod (can't remember name) an apology for an accusation of being patronizing.

I don't know what you mean about the Edit button. I posted three times in response to three separate posts/posters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cesariojpn on 21 Sep 2014, 04:08
I highly doubt that, given it was so long ago.

Which context by chance?

If it's the foreshadowing, there is precedence to this effect. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1778)

If it's over Dora's ladybits, I point to one of many scattered references as well. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1672)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Sep 2014, 06:13
I don't know what you mean about the Edit button. I posted three times in response to three separate posts/posters.

If you were the most recent person to post in a thread, we prefer you to edit your post to add any additional information, rather than posting again. If you're replying to multiple people and want to quote them, you can hit "quote" for each person and copy the info that appears in the box, and then paste it into one response rather than making three.

Basically it's a style thing that this forum, as a community, has decided we prefer, but there's also the fact that making three posts puts a larger strain on the server than making one with the content of all three.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 21 Sep 2014, 07:56
I don't know what you mean about the Edit button. I posted three times in response to three separate posts/posters.

If you were the most recent person to post in a thread, we prefer you to edit your post to add any additional information, rather than posting again. If you're replying to multiple people and want to quote them, you can hit "quote" for each person and copy the info that appears in the box, and then paste it into one response rather than making three.

Basically it's a style thing that this forum, as a community, has decided we prefer, but there's also the fact that making three posts puts a larger strain on the server than making one with the content of all three.

Roger.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 21 Sep 2014, 11:19
There's a language thing going on here.  Some people are using prejudice differently than I would, describing what I would clearly call prejudice as not.  That's ok; communication works better when we share definitions, but when that's not the case it can still work, so long as we allow for others' differences.

I'm prejudiced.  In all kinds of ways, some of which I've been able to work on and some of which I haven't.  This doesn't make me an evil person; it does mean I have a responsibility to at the very minimum notice and try to compensate for it.  Better is to keep it from affecting my actions in any way.  Better yet is to use each occurrence as an opportunity to work on rooting it out.

I don't think you can grow up in any culture and not have some prejudices.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2791-2795 (15-19 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 21 Sep 2014, 12:59
Something we haven't had in a while: MOMENT OF THE WEEK!