Re: WCDT: 2796-2800 (22-36 September 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Tell me Doctor, where are going this time, is it the Fifties or September 36th?So take me away, I don't mind.
All I want to do is find a guitar to sling.
Up in Wisconsin, with the winter dragging on, we'd call a day in April "February 90th."
Up in Wisconsin, with the winter dragging on, we'd call a day in April "February 90th."When I went to a conference in Madison, one of the Wisconsinites (Wisconsinians?) I talked to said it had gotten down to freezing two weeks before the conference and they were worried it would still be like that when the conference happened. In June.
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Cliffhanger + premade comic for out of town=guaranteed filler.
And I'm f5ing anyway even though I know that.
Quack quack quack! :claireface:
Methinks thou doth protest too much Claire.Shakespearean grammar nazi sayeth: "thou dost". ("I do"; "thou dost"; "he, she, or it doth".)
Poor Claire. I think Faye is being a bit unkind here, but then again that's Faye.
Up in Wisconsin, with the winter dragging on, we'd call a day in April "February 90th."In a non-leap year, April ends on February 89th :roll:
Click here to see a baby duck following someone. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3MXD7pzkw)
It's most definitely a "peep peep peep," rather than a "quack quack quack." :)
I thought that sound was rendered "tweet" in English. In my native Danish, it is "pip".
Birds do not twitter. Thank goodness :-D
What are you people talking about? Today's date is 1993-09-7692.Explanation for those that don't pre-date it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September)
I dunno if it's already been mentioned, but while it could as well be just a random inflection by Jeph, the distinction between:
"He invited ME tonight!"
and
"He INVITED me tonight!"
seems important.
Faye's face in panel 2 is excellent. You can tell exactly what she's thinking even though she's not saying anything.
Smallest - Well yeah, the ME is emphasized to show that she was the one who was asked to go, rather than her going out of her way to spend time with Marty.
Smallest - Well yeah, the ME is emphasized to show that she was the one who was asked to go, rather than her going out of her way to spend time with Marty.
Better than stay in August for 594 years.What are you people talking about? Today's date is 1993-09-7692.Explanation for those that don't pre-date it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September)
You're ALL my favorites!
We need to find a modus bibendi
I actually like that idea of Descartes. You can doubt anything. But by doubting anything you already prove that you exist.There have been several critiques (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticisms) of that. Spinoza and Berkeley (and others dealing with metaphysics) have also attempted to deal with the same issue. Of course then you get into the matter of what "really" exists. Like if you, and in fact this whole universe are figments of my imagination, one could easily say that you *don't* exist, since independent of me, then you're not actually "real". And then we get into arguing over whether Descartes had any sort of independent existence even if he *was* a figment. Given the content of the rest of the Meditations, I think it's fair to say that he did argue just that, that he existed as an independent physical, entity.
Now I wanna write a story where people can only exist if they've been drinking. Or perhaps drinking sends people to an alternate universe, I dunno.
Now I feel in the mood for some Philosophy. I still want to read some of Bertrand Russell's works. He's one of the people I'd consider my idol.Much less plodding than some of Kant's works, that's to be sure. I *do* wish that either A) In the next 4 months I'll be able to drive again (unlikely, given that my anxiety is waay too high), or B) the symbolic logic and maths courses I'd need to take to even have a chance at better understanding his works were at a time where I *don't* need to wake up at 0500, since that's rather close to when I go to sleep. If you don't think like diving into Principia Mathematica any time soon, I can dig up the ISBN for one a sort of Russell's "Best of" on metaphysics from one of my book boxen.
Maybe he's only *visible* || perhaps corporeal when someone else has drinking? And why if there's a god of wine, why isn't there a god of hangovers?
What if they can only exist when others have been drinking? The Tequila Monster is an example.
Allein anderer Seits erhebt es [die menschliche Vernunft] wiederum und giebt ihr ein Zutrauen zu sich selbst, daß sie diese Disciplin selbst ausüben kan und muß, ohne eine andere Censur über sich zu gestatten, imgleichen, daß die Gränzen, die sie ihrem speculativen Gebrauche zu setzen genöthigt ist, zugleich die vernünftelnde Anmaßungen iedes Gegners einschränken und mithin alles, was ihr noch von ihren vorher übertriebenen Forderungen übrig bleiben möchte, gegen alle Angriffe sicher stellen könne.
But, on the other hand, reason is reassured and gains self-confidence, on finding that it itself can and must apply this discipline, and that it is not called upon to submit to any outside censorship; and, moreover, that the limits which it is compelled to set to its speculative employment likewise limit the pseudo-rational pretensions of all its opponents, and that it can secure against all attacks whatever may remain over from its former exaggerated claims.
There are those who blame the Press, but in this I think they are mistaken. The Press is such as the public demands, and the public demands bad newspapers because it has been badly educated.
All who are not lunatics are agreed about certain things. That it is better to be alive than dead, better to be adequately fed than starved, better to be free than a slave. Many people desire those things only for themselves and their friends; they are quite content that their enemies should suffer. These people can only be refuted by science: Humankind has become so much one family that we cannot ensure our own prosperity except by ensuring that of everyone else. If you wish to be happy yourself, you must resign yourself to seeing others also happy.
The above proposition is occasionally useful.
I have heard from multiple professors, that if possible, even if one is a native German speaker, to just read the English translation, and thank $DEITY that you did.
Now I wanna write a story where people can only exist if they've been drinking. Or perhaps drinking sends people to an alternate universe, I dunno.My buddy ran a game a little bit like that. It was set in a city you could only enter by staying away long enough and wanting something enough to do anything to get it. It was a surreal nightmarish place, where everyone had at least mild sleep-deprivation madness.
Maybe he's only *visible* || perhaps corporeal when someone else has drinking? And why if there's a god of wine, why isn't there a god of hangovers?
Bertrand Russell on the other hand is wonderful to read, and was far ahead of his time, politically and socially. Many of his political or social statements still hold true:
And I still love his comment in the Principia Mathematica after proving that 1 + 1 = 2:QuoteThe above proposition is occasionally useful.
Sorry that I was too late to help with part "A", and part "B" has gotten me closer to having hellspawn of my own than I'd care to admit.
...that would have saved me SO MUCH TIME!
To expand on Marten's thought: Our ancestors drank, therefore we are.
The "Oh, God" of hangovers, you mean. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_gods#BiliousExactly what I was going for. I can't resist certain things sometimes.
I don't think it's possible for Claire and Hanners to be in a strip together without the Squee!!!! factor elevating to a state that it may cause the universe to implode.
Now I wanna write a story where people can only exist if they've been drinking. Or perhaps drinking sends people to an alternate universe, I dunno.My buddy ran a game a little bit like that. It was set in a city you could only enter by staying away long enough and wanting something enough to do anything to get it. It was a surreal nightmarish place, where everyone had at least mild sleep-deprivation madness.
Whoa, you did! What was it before again?I don't think it's possible for Claire and Hanners to be in a strip together without the Squee!!!! factor elevating to a state that it may cause the universe to implode.
Did you write that because I just changed the subtitle of the forum, or is it a coincidence?!
Up in Wisconsin, with the winter dragging on, we'd call a day in April "February 90th."
Maybe he's only *visible* || perhaps corporeal when someone else has drinking? And why if there's a god of wine, why isn't there a god of hangovers?
The "Oh, God" of hangovers, you mean. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_gods#Bilious
I actually like that idea of Descartes. You can doubt anything. But by doubting anything you already prove that you exist.According to the simulation hypothesis we are most likely a simulation. Does that still qualify as existence for you?
Descartes did not know about simulations. Therefore, we can assume he is outdated, even if he did exist.I actually like that idea of Descartes. You can doubt anything. But by doubting anything you already prove that you exist.According to the simulation hypothesis we are most likely a simulation. Does that still qualify as existence for you?
You can still run the simulation at slower speeds. Inside the simulation time will be slowed down too so to any simulated being nothing has changed.According to the simulation hypothesis we are most likely a simulation. Does that still qualify as existence for you?Descartes did not know about simulations. Therefore, we can assume he is outdated, even if he did exist.
If we are part of a simulation, it is reasonable to assume that the creators have cheated a bit, to reduce processing time. If nobody is looking at the Moon, it is not necessary to include it in the simulation. Likewise, astronomical objects invisible to the naked eye need not be simulated, unless someone is pointing a telescope in that direction. As our exploration of the physical world intensifies (and the world population increases), the computational resources required will increase exponentially. Sooner or later, the simulation gets too expensive, and someone decides to pull the plug :mrgreen:
Descartes did not know about simulations. Therefore, we can assume he is outdated, even if he did exist.I actually like that idea of Descartes. You can doubt anything. But by doubting anything you already prove that you exist.According to the simulation hypothesis we are most likely a simulation. Does that still qualify as existence for you?
If we are part of a simulation, it is reasonable to assume that the creators have cheated a bit, to reduce processing time. If nobody is looking at the Moon, it is not necessary to include it in the simulation. Likewise, astronomical objects invisible to the naked eye need not be simulated, unless someone is pointing a telescope in that direction. As our exploration of the physical world intensifies (and the world population increases), the computational resources required will increase exponentially. Sooner or later, the simulation gets too expensive, and someone decides to pull the plug :mrgreen:
Or maybe not all people are simulated, maybe only your city is being simulated and any experience or person outside it is not rendered. That trip overseas never happened, the moment you stepped in the plane you ceased to exist just to return to exist some time latter with memories and personal objects updated. Like how Simcity can have people coming from the airport without having to simulate the entire world.I think, therefore I am. But I cannot be sure this applies to others. The universe is a simulation just for me. All you others do not exist.
I think, therefore I am. But I cannot be sure this applies to others. The universe is a simulation just for me. All you others do not exist.
I think, therefore I am. But I cannot be sure this applies to others. The universe is a simulation just for me. All you others do not exist.
The Unseen University Professor of Anthropics had developed the Special and Inevitable Anthropic Principle, which was that the entire reason for the existence of the universe was the eventual evolution of the UU Professor of Anthropics.
I don't think it's possible for Claire and Hanners to be in a strip together without the Squee!!!! factor elevating to a state that it may cause the universe to implode.Did you write that because I just changed the subtitle of the forum, or is it a coincidence?!
Maybe they'll both puke on him this time.
Maybe they'll both puke on him this time.Everything that happened so far is all part of a complex plan made by pintsize to see if he can give Marten a puke fetish.
Now I wanna write a story where people can only exist if they've been drinking. Or perhaps drinking sends people to an alternate universe, I dunno.My buddy ran a game a little bit like that. It was set in a city you could only enter by staying away long enough and wanting something enough to do anything to get it. It was a surreal nightmarish place, where everyone had at least mild sleep-deprivation madness.
Don't Rest Your Head, I suppose.
Maybe they'll both puke on him this time.Claire is not drunk. No drunk bubbles. Claire should be wary of Faye by now, so I do not really expect her to come along.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Judging by the lack of "drunk bubbles", both Dora and Claire are sober. Don't know if this is significant or not.Dora may have to open the shop, which IIRC, is around 0700, so she'd probably need to be there a half hour earlier. More than that if she has to do some roasting in the Spider Zone. And Claire has either been taking it easy (thus far), or truly *has* Awakened into boozing. She looks like the sort who might have a hollow leg to put the stuff in.
Claire should be wary of Faye by now, so I do not really expect her to come along.
Maybe they'll both puke on him this time.Everything that happened so far is all part of a complex plan made by pintsize to see if he can give Marten a puke fetish.
Hedgie: If you remember Clinton's reaction, I'd say it's pretty sure that Claire isn't the person to drink. Definitely not in a bar. Maybe she's more willing at Marten and Faye's place.Well, maybe *that* bar. If the kind of place where stools had to be fastened down, I'd have to have someone like Faye for backup, myself, and would certainly moderate more. Or maybe her tolerance magically has increased, hence the hypothetical "hollow leg".
Edit: And I just realised how incredibly creepy that sounds. It sounds like I would want Claire to get drunk and do something stupid. Please note that that is not what I meant.
Edit: And I just realised how incredibly creepy that sounds. It sounds like I would want Claire to get drunk and do something stupid. Please note that that is not what I meant.You'd be happy to see Claire do something sensibly stupid. Like maybe getting a tattoo (still small and tasteful, knowing her), or her ears pierced a second time (we are talking about a woman who doesn't push her inhibitions too far, for obvious reasons (at least to Clinton, Marten and Emily). A second set of studs or rings in her ears would probably be some crazy shit).
Claire is not drunk. No drunk bubbles. Claire should be wary of Faye by now, so I do not really expect her to come along.I don't feel I know Claire well enough to guess whether or not she'll take that risk. It will be interesting to find out.
There will also be confession time, I guess. Faye will let out all her anxieties regarding her relationship with Angus. Marten will tell about his lack of success in life. Both will get spectacularly drunk....and Claire might get discussed in her absence. Though if Marten is remotely interested, he's hiding his cards well.
Or she will be discussed while everyone forgets she is standing right there to the left of the camera.
Jeph has LONG said Claire's status wouldn't be used in that kind of manner.
Just one thing though - where's Hannelore? She was at the bar earlier, but not now, seemingly. Is she off camera, did she decide to go home early, is she still inside, or (cue ominous music) did she leave with someone else?Hopefully, she did not leave with the Blood Fukk (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2794) man. Although he is probably quite harmless. Steve is another possibility. But I agree, it would be natural for her to wait for Faye and Marten to walk home. She may be waiting just off camera, perhaps talking to Sven who happened to walk by?
Maybe they'll both puke on him this time.Claire is not drunk. No drunk bubbles. Claire should be wary of Faye by now, so I do not really expect her to come along.
Jeph has LONG said Claire's status wouldn't be used in that kind of manner.
Yep. But that doesn't mean he won't address Claire's challenges, given her unique context.
Knowing how artfully, and carefully, he's presented Claire so far, I trust that he won't be afraid to tell her story, wherever that leads her.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing things develop. Jeph's got the chops, the smarts, and nowadays, the budget to do this right.
So...are the comics not showing up for anyone else? Specifically any comic before today's? I just get blank blue pages or constant loading tabs. >.>
Edit: nevermind, apparently they're just loading really, really slowly for some reason. Strange.
and I would venture to say for Herr Trollmaster,
I can't even figure out Claire's expression there.
Sorry, TED, but the breakup was 1799.
Marten probably isn't intending for this to be a move, so lots of potential for misunderstanding here.I don't think he intends it as a MOVE as in "get Claire to make out with me right now"--if he were making that kind of a move, he'd probably be doing something waaaay clumsier right now!
Wait, I thought "Herr Trollmaster" was Jeph...and I would venture to say for Herr Trollmaster,
Just because I suggest a possible plot point doesn't give you the right to call me names.
Claire's expression reminds me of another Claire blush (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2301).
And keep staying tuned while Steve eats more cereal!He's gotta have his bowl. It is Friday's comic we're speculating about, after all.
The surprised face she makes after he starts scratching her is my new favorite adorable face anywhere.
I kind of see this ending badly....What if it works this time?
Marty is likely in "touchy-feely-drunk-mode", but now that Faye has planted the seed of "you have a crush on him" in Claire's head, she's going to interpret everything through that lens. hopes will be gotten up... then dashed.
I kind of see this ending badly....What if it works this time?
Marty is likely in "touchy-feely-drunk-mode", but now that Faye has planted the seed of "you have a crush on him" in Claire's head, she's going to interpret everything through that lens. hopes will be gotten up... then dashed.
Get a mop, Marten. Making Claire melt like that means you get to clean up the puddle of librarian on the floor after.
Wait, I thought "Herr Trollmaster" was Jeph...and I would venture to say for Herr Trollmaster,
Just because I suggest a possible plot point doesn't give you the right to call me names.
I can't even figure out Claire's expression there.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nyoron
Dude, he was referring to Jeph. Jeph is the Trollmaster. He trolls all.and I would venture to say for Herr Trollmaster,Just because I suggest a possible plot point doesn't give you the right to call me names.
A good rule-of-thumb is if you're going to post about trans issues, read the sentence aloud to yourself before you post it and replace "trans" with another minority group. If it doesn't sound like it's ok to post with the change, then it wasn't ok in the first place.
Faye has a bad habit of bailing on precarious situations.Faye is not bailing out. She just considers her job done, and makes a strategic retreat to give them some privacy.
There's room for more than one hitch.
Um... am I the only one who finds this a little creepy? I mean, Claire seems to welcome it after the fact, but... Marten just starts scratching her head?
it's happening
EDIT: It just came to me. The hitch in all of this is overprotective Clinton.
I think we should all brace for impact. Especially considering that tomorrow's comic is 2800.
Just from experience, Jeph does like have the major stories around the X00th comics, if not starting there at least the crux of the story happens at that point; such as the Talk at 500, the Break-Up at 1800, Padma leaving at 2100, the beginning of May's redemption at 2500 (and in turn, the beginning of Dale & Marigold growing up and talking like relatively normal people).
There are quite a few character storylines beginning on the X00th comics and I suspect this will be no different.
Claire's Disney Princess hair doesn't only entice woodland creatures but also drunk friends!Or, if Emily is any indication, rather weird friends as well.
But Jeph is already our lord and master Jephzibah! :psyduck:So glad Jephzibah (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28754.msg1138388.html#msg1138388) continues to exist.
Um... am I the only one who finds this a little creepy? I mean, Claire seems to welcome it after the fact, but... Marten just starts scratching her head?
Any chance Jephzibah will pull a Willis on us and just show Steve eating cereal again?Most likely not, we're still in the middle of the night. My guess is that whatever happens in tomorrow's comic will still be Clairten centered. Or Yelling bird.
A good rule-of-thumb is if you're going to post about trans issues, read the sentence aloud to yourself before you post it and replace "trans" with another minority group. If it doesn't sound like it's ok to post with the change, then it wasn't ok in the first place.I really don't get this response in this context. He wasn't saying "ew a trans relationship", it read to me like pleased surprise. It'd be like someone on a Star Trek board in the 60's saying something like "Kirk and Uhura? An interracial kiss portrayed positively? unpossible!" Reads to me like someone who was pleasantly surprised Trek was being so progressive. If expressing that emotion is taboo I just dkwtf.
Well, Hanners is yet to be accounted for. I rather doubt she's hiding just outside of the panel ...Any chance Jephzibah will pull a Willis on us and just show Steve eating cereal again?Most likely not, we're still in the middle of the night. My guess is that whatever happens in tomorrow's comic will still be Clairten centered. Or Yelling bird.
I'm seriously considering not opening tomorrow's comic, because I'm so sure of it being a cliffhanger, and I'm not sure if I can wait until Monday for the resolve.
Um... am I the only one who finds this a little creepy? I mean, Claire seems to welcome it after the fact, but... Marten just starts scratching her head?
Marten does not want Faye to leave. That must mean that he does not want this to develop into something needing privacy.I don't think Marten 'want' or 'not want' Faye to leave, he looks more surprised than anything else IMHO.
Marten does not want Faye to leave. That must mean that he does not want this to develop into something needing privacy.This is a key observation. I'm in squeee mode with much of the board, but Claire is picking up signals that Marten isn't meaning to send. The immediate drama starts when one or both of them realize this. My money is on Claire being the only one to figure it out, but your guess is as good as mine.
Marten does not want Faye to leave. That must mean that he does not want this to develop into something needing privacy.
Claire realizing this is something that she wants is an interesting development. But this is Marten; when have we seen him realize he wants anything other than a new guitar?Padma comes to mind: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2094
Holy cow. I know at least three dozen people who've been anticipating this moment ever since Claire came out.The construction of the
if he were making that kind of a move, he'd probably be doing something waaaay clumsier right now!
But for a guy who isn't really that much of a touchy-feely, flirty sort in general, the scritching does seem like a pretty likely sign of attraction. There are guys who'd do that to random female friends without being into them that way, but would Marten?
Um... am I the only one who finds this a little creepy? I mean, Claire seems to welcome it after the fact, but... Marten just starts scratching her head?Eh, depends on the friendship, I have a couple friend where a headrub just happens sometimes and to me. What seems strange or awkward to others might be normal for different people.
Emily might be a bit of a hitch, too...
Tuesday comic is Clinton's body being attacked by raccoons in a backalley, then, where he is found by Dale.Wednesday's comic has Hanners calling her father to initiate Project: Rebirth
Whoa, I didn't notice, but Claire's hair is really different than it was in the linked comic. I like the old style better, but oh well.The hair changed around 2704, 2705, this did not go unnoticed (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29888.msg1242392.html#msg1242392), and I agree the old is better, more colour variation and texture.
Emily might be a bit of a hitch, too...
My prediction: IF this progresses to Marten and Claire actually becoming a couple (yes, big "if" there), then Emily's reaction will be "That is so cool!"
After which, Emily will go to a private place and break down in tears.
Marten does not want Faye to leave. That must mean that he does not want this to develop into something needing privacy.
[looks at QC] [picks up a big old ratchet] [RACHET RATCHET RATCHET RATCHET]
muahahahahah
Calling it now: 10 pages before Monday and/or thread is locked. :claireface:
Of course, Jeph could be totally evil and make Friday's strip an "apology" saying that he's decided he likes his Patreon comic more and has decided to ditch QC in favour of doing that full time, but "who knows? They're set in the same universe so you might see some familiar faces around…"
Actually, I think we're all missing the obvious answer to tomorrow's comic. All of this is going to go to Claire's head, she'll have a panic attack, throw up on Marten, then pass out and headbutt him in the junk. As always happens to him....This is the Trollmaster behind the scenes we are dealing with here.
He's changed it before. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29035.msg1164741.html#msg1164741)Whoa, I didn't notice, but Claire's hair is really different than it was in the linked comic. I like the old style better, but oh well.The hair changed around 2704, 2705, this did not go unnoticed (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29888.msg1242392.html#msg1242392), and I agree the old is better, more colour variation and texture.
By the bys: Neko_Ali and Angelus_Primus have the same avatar.
Claire's Disney Princess hair doesn't only entice woodland creatures but also drunk friends!Or, if Emily is any indication, rather weird friends as well.
Edit: Prediction: Marten has to yell for Faye to extricate his hands, she thinks it's something to do with him and Claire being "unprofessional", he passes out on the sofa, and Claire, realising that she is stuck as well polishes off the bourbon and coming face to face with one of the drunken hallucinations, and spends the rest of the night talking to the Beast of Bourbon until she too passes-out.
It seems like the hair texture stuff went missing in this strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2626). I don't mind it being gone in general, but i did think it looked pretty great on Claire's hair.
Edit: Ahh, never mind, it comes back in the next story event, just a little break. >_>
Sour notes come anyway, for they are the bearers of plot advancement. But in this moment, before the advance of any possible sour aftermath, there is sweetness.
But yeah. Marten landing in and staying in a stable, healthy relationship is a sure sign of End Times for Northampton. There's just something about being a main character. It's like you're a fulcrum upon which the fate of the universe balances. The fictional universe, anyway.
EDIT: It just came to me. The hitch in all of this is overprotective Clinton.
Marten does not want Faye to leave. That must mean that he does not want this to develop into something needing privacy.I don't think Marten 'want' or 'not want' Faye to leave, he looks more surprised than anything else IMHO.
I see so much going on in Claire's face...
Surprise
Pleasure
Interest
Joy
But I think underpinning all of this is:
Relief
I suspect that a major component of her reaction is knowing that she's getting intimate attention from someone to whom she's out. Like she knows that there's not another shoe that could drop this time because she's already taken care of that.
Am I off base?
Year and a HalfBeen nearly four years since the break-up and that's when I joined.
It's the big events that tend to move people from being just lurkers to active participants.
Tuesday comic is Clinton's body being attacked by raccoons in a backalley, then, where he is found byDaleJimbo.
Jumping out of semi-lurker mode to say my two cents.naw dude, Marten is too chill to get worked up over whether or not Claire's trans. Jeph knows this.
I have no issue if Marten and Claire end up in a relationship. But in terms of good character development, I really really hope Marten doesn't say something like "I just never thought about dating someone trans before!"
So, I found this on Jeph's tumblr: http://jephjacques.com/post/89450795950/new-poster-ive-been-working-on-for-the-last
/me starts raising the anchor
Welcome, more new people!
She is afraid Emily is on the verge of seducing Marten, and has decided to act before it is too late.I know right? The feathers and mice weren't enough but if she had time to complete the nest them Marten would be unable to resist!
Uh oh:Quote from: 'Jacques O'Lantern @jephjacques (Twitter)'[looks at QC] [picks up a big old ratchet] [RACHET RATCHET RATCHET RATCHET]
muahahahahah
I didn't see it so much as that Marten wanted Faye not to leave, but merely that he didn't actively want her to leave, which he would have done if he was hoping to make a move. I don't think he's the sort of person who would consciously "make a move" on someone anyway, but the fact that it doesn't seem to have crossed his mind at all says quite a lot.
ALL HANDS, BRACE FOR IMPACT!!!
hehe. And I joined when Claire came out to Marten. It's the big events that tend to move people from being just lurkers to active participants.
If you go to the store you can preview the finished copy of that poster.
I started reading on the April fools switcharoo in 2008, when xkcd redirected here, and QC redirected to dinosaur comics. It was #1110 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1110).Oh wow, I remember that switcheroo. That was a fun April Fools' to be on the internet for.
If you go to the store you can preview the finished copy of that poster.
squee.I second that motion.
Were those walls always so white? It looks like purgatory in there.Once for each reply probably.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. \
How does this happen to me five times?
Hanako IkezawaMan her arch just made me feel even worse for her.
OMG of course this is a Friday comic. RAGE.It would stand to reason, since we didn't get a double-length Friday strip this time.
On a more rational note, Jeph could continue to troll us and have a repeat of the wedding and they just fall asleep innocently.
:psyduck: I don't wanna have to wait 3 days to know what happens! GIVE ME MORE CUTENESS
the jury has reached a unanimous decision - this is adorable.squee.I second that motion.
And then Claire woke up from the Marten-massage induced daydream!Relax, you're only the third person so far to suggest the possibility of a dream sequence. Which, I maintain, would be a cheap trick.
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I'm going to run before someone kills me.
Relax, you're only the third person so far to suggest the possibility of a dream sequence.
You know, I just realized something.oh god, I just realised how laden with innuendo this strip is.
Faye's probably hearing this.
Depending on how long between this strip and the previous one... I'm wondering if she thinks this has gone to different places than it actually has.
:psyduck: I don't wanna have to wait 3 days to know what happens! GIVE ME MORE CUTENESS
OMG of course this is a Friday comic. RAGE.
I hope this isn't considered transphobic of me to say, but I remembered Marten does have a hangup which will make it kind of hard for him to be in a relationship with Claire.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18)
This must be a dream sequence for Claire. There's no way Marten could be that smooth.
but it's so KYOOT! Squee! :-D:psyduck: I don't wanna have to wait 3 days to know what happens! GIVE ME MORE CUTENESS
No you fool, we cannae take those levels of kyoot for long!
I hope this isn't considered transphobic of me to say, but I remembered Marten does have a hangup which will make it kind of hard for him to be in a relationship with Claire.preeeettty sure the early characterizations don't really count anymore.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18)
I hope this isn't considered transphobic of me to say, but I remembered Marten does have a hangup which will make it kind of hard for him to be in a relationship with Claire.Sex doesn't always have to be parts going in other parts, you know.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18)
Yes it is somewhat transphobic of you to say. If not transphobic, at least completely insensitive.
Also keep in mind that strip was eleven years ago. A lot has changed since then, and Marten is a very different person today than he was.
Next comic we will have marten freaking out for breaking his core values, things he never imagined himself doing:NO! Why must Marten be so misguided in his niceness?(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
But white knighting Hanako gets you the bad ending. :(Hanako IkezawaMan her arch just made me feel even worse for her.
You guys don't have friends give you oddly intimate massages? How do you survive without oddly intimate friends' massages? D:Where do I get potential romantic interest friendly massages?
Those hurt the wallet. I stick with oddly intimate friendly massages.You guys don't have friends give you oddly intimate massages? How do you survive without oddly intimate friends' massages? D:Where do I get potential romantic interest friendly massages?
Eh, the intern thing. I think he's been using that as an excuse to disguise the fact that he's just plain weirded out by Emily. Even if that's not the case though, it's not like anyone around him is going to judge him for it. Tai's made fun of that hangup, and Faye encouraged this. If anything, they might judge him for being a hypocrite, but hypocrites are a plentiful sort.
Oi. No postulating, thinking or speculating about Claire or any one else's genitals. I'm not a mod but we're heading in that direction and that is not okay good to go?Agreed. Her lady parts are her lady parts, irrespective of what they look like.
Ah yes. It's been a while since we've seen her, too.Eh, the intern thing. I think he's been using that as an excuse to disguise the fact that he's just plain weirded out by Emily. Even if that's not the case though, it's not like anyone around him is going to judge him for it. Tai's made fun of that hangup, and Faye encouraged this. If anything, they might judge him for being a hypocrite, but hypocrites are a plentiful sort.
Gabby.
Oi. No postulating, thinking or speculating about Claire or any one else's genitals. I'm not a mod but we're heading in that direction and that is not okay good to go?Agreed. Her lady parts are her lady parts, irrespective of what they look like.
Per the letter of the law, I suppose we could discuss the nature of a hypothetical sexual encounter between Mr. X and Miss Y, provided we only speak of these hypothetical people, as opposed to any real people or characters of an established fiction.If you did that, there'd be no reason to do that here. GM said it well, there's really no reason to go there, and it's outright hurtful to some people. So everyone please STOP.
SRS usually follows 1-2 years after HRT starts, which claire has only been on for months from what I recall.Claire started transitioning when she joined college. She's now 24.
Marten and Claire marry. Faye and Angus also Marry just like Marigold and Dale all them in a perfect triple wedding organized by Hannelore.(click to show/hide)
Don't even joke man. Jeph is just cruel enough a trollverlord to do just that.
So like...six more years in comic time?There's a time-skip involved to skip a several boring decades.
They finally hook up in the old folk's home in the far, far, future after Jeph has become a cyborg who has been doing this comic for a couple of centuries.
So like...six more years in comic time?
Oi. No postulating, thinking or speculating about Claire or any one else's genitals. I'm not a mod but we're heading in that direction and that is not okay good to go?
Thank you (bows)So like...six more years in comic time?
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/picard_clapping.gif)
Genuinely laughed out loud.
is it wrong that I want this to end horribly because it would be funny and awkward? :psyduck:
Nah. Wait...how horribly?Faye starts another fire just as things are about to get more interesting, and they have to flee the building.
She's a redhead.
(click to show/hide)
And I will spoil your beautiful moment by mentioning that everybory have been ignoring on the possibility that Marten will be the one stretched....
Don't look me like that! I just miss Pintsize in the comic!
By this point, they're a thing, right? Right? 'Cause Marten would have to be miiiiiighty drunk to do this and not see it as him pursuing (with much success so far) a relationship. Or we're still at the bar and the past few strips have all been taking place inside Claire's head after Faye's instigation. But that's a cheap trick, and I don't think that's going on.Not so fast. There is plenty of room for complications.
Afterwards, Marten will think nothing of it, and continue to treat Claire as before. Claire, however, will be deeply frustrated, particularly if Marten starts dating Emily. Catfights will happen at the library.
Maybe? Also...what are "shanks"?Should have said "calves", my bad.
And remember, any inappropriate ships WILL be torpedoed.Am I still allowed to ship Abby and Elliot? I avoid mentioning it more than once a year so as not to be obnoxious about it.
Great, Monday's comic is Pintsize humping a cereal box with a bowl on his head as a hat.While Steve is all "Dude, my cheerios!"
Claire and Marten would make a cute couple but I don't want a sad Emily... :psyduck:
Well!!!!
THIS is where things get interesting - again.
And remember, any inappropriate ships WILL be torpedoed.
Well, there's Chinese Delivery Man. We haven't seen any other delivery superheroes that I know of.Claire and Marten would make a cute couple but I don't want a sad Emily... :psyduck:
I feel like Emily would bounce back from it quickly, assuming it did make her even a little sad... though perhaps there's a banana smoothie delivery person/superhero she could fall in love with? Pizza girl can't be the only one, right?
Great, Monday's comic is Pintsize humping a cereal box with a bowl on his head as a hat.While Steve is all "Dude, my cheerios!"
I initially squeed but, after reading the comments here, I have come to the conclusion that those suggesting it's a dream are partially right -- I think it is a dream but it's only the last two strips that are the dream. I suspect that, when she said, "Mistakes were made," she realised going back to Marten's was not something she wanted to do that night. She's either going to wake up in her own bed and wonder how much of the night was real or she's having this day dream in front of them and she's going to be brought back to reality when Faye or Marten asks her what she meant by "Don't ever stop."Yeah, Marten is strangely smooth. I don't think alcohol alone could do this.
There are two reasons why I think it's a dream:
- It's out of character for Marten.
- The colour of the walls is wrong.
I wonder if drunk Marten somehow realizes he's cheating on Emily in some way, or that he's now getting involved with 2 girls yet again.
Claire trusted him pretty deeply right away
Well!!!!
THIS is where things get interesting - again.
And remember, any inappropriate ships WILL be torpedoed.
*Suppressing Pintisize instinct of making innuendo jokes with torpedoes and ships.
There are two reasons why I think it's a dream:
- It's out of character for Marten.
- The colour of the walls is wrong.
By the bys: Neko_Ali and Angelus_Primus have the same avatar.
I'm guessing Angelus copied mine. I made mine from the comic. I suppose they could have done the same thing, but it looks exactly like mine.
I loved the idea someone posted earlier where Faye completely takes the convo from the current comic out of context.
I think that has a potential for mild drama and high comedy that could be pretty entertaining for a long run.
While I may have said it lightheartedly, my last comment was NOT to be taken facetiously.
I hope this isn't considered transphobic of me to say, but I remembered Marten does have a hangup which will make it kind of hard for him to be in a relationship with Claire.Sex doesn't always have to be parts going in other parts, you know.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=18)
Let's just not talk about parts anymore.
It's definitely flirt-flavored, unless he would do the same with e.g. Steve.What, he wouldn't flirt with Steve?
I am in the "Everyone realizes Marten is making a move - except Marten" camp, but that may just be projection.That's how I interpreted it too. He's drunk, he's doing what feels good without thinking about it, and eventually he'll realize that the reason it feels good is that he's developing feelings for Claire. (Once he realizes it, he'll probably get a good deal more awkward and possibly freak out about the ethics of dating an intern.)
(Once he realizes it, he'll probably get a good deal more awkward and possibly freak out about the ethics of dating an intern.)Easy enough way around that. Remove Marten from the chain of command, and make $intern whose ship has sailed Momo's responsibility. That way, it'd just be like dating someone you work with.
It's the big events that tend to move people from being just lurkers to active participants.Or from lurkers to slightly-less-lurky lurkers
I am in the "Everyone realizes Marten is making a move - except Marten" camp, but that may just be projection.
(Once he realizes it, he'll probably get a good deal more awkward and possibly freak out about the ethics of dating an intern.)Easy enough way around that. Remove Marten from the chain of command, and make $intern whose ship has sailed Momo's responsibility. That way, it'd just be like dating someone you work with.
Falling asleep in each other's arms is appropriate at this point though.Pretty much like today's story. Same words too "Don't ever stop."
That's what we did in a similar situation at New Years Eve 1979. By February 1980, just two months later, we were engaged, and married a year later.
It's been an interesting 33 years.
Which is still somewhat unethical. I've known a few bosses and managers whose opinion about workplace relationships can be summed up as "Don't dip your pen in the company ink". Even if Marten was no longer in charge of the interns, he'd still be a superior by dint of working there for longer.(Once he realizes it, he'll probably get a good deal more awkward and possibly freak out about the ethics of dating an intern.)Easy enough way around that. Remove Marten from the chain of command, and make $intern whose ship has sailed Momo's responsibility. That way, it'd just be like dating someone you work with.
Does it matter that one has red hair?Well, it's a well-established fact that gingers don't have souls, so…
You know, I'm wondering what a retail job at a music store would pay, relative to his job at Smif. It'd be a lateral move at best, but it'd be at least working with things that he likes, and he could get an employee discount.
Unlurked! I am unlurked!*waves*
Eh, the intern thing. I think he's been using that as an excuse to disguise the fact that he's just plain weirded out by Emily.
Plot twist: Marten pukes in Claire's lap.
Coming out of long standing hiding just to go squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
My eyes are even leaking just a little bit.
I have been wanting to see today's page since Claire was first introduced.
Hmph. Only54 1/2 pages since skritch turned snuggle? What's wrong with you people?
:evil: :angel: :police: :claireface:
Happily waiting for either an explosion or an implosion.
Back to the bunker! I brought some cheap Oktoberfest from the store...
Only if he autoclaves his hand first...
Hmph. Only54 1/2 pages since skritch turned snuggle? What's wrong with you people?
:evil: :angel: :police: :claireface:
Happily waiting for either an explosion or an implosion.
Back to the bunker! I brought some cheap Oktoberfest from the store...
From what I've learnt the Oktoberfest is quite expensive. And I didn't know one could buy pieces of it. :mrgreen:
Unlurked! I am unlurked!
But only beer from Munich is allowed to be called Oktoberfestbier. It is actually a registered trademark, and at least in the EU a Protected Geographical Indication. And at the Oktoberfest the beer costs around 10€ per Maß (litre).I found myself at Stuttgarter frühlingsfest this year, which is like Oktoberfest but in April. 10€ a litre there too... t'was a good night.
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as for two...
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2768
They look like the same walls to me?
Plot twist: Marten pukes in Claire's lap.
Not so far fetched, it won't be the first time!
More important question: Is Penelope actually Pizza Girl?!
But only beer from Munich is allowed to be called Oktoberfestbier. It is actually a registered trademark, and at least in the EU a Protected Geographical Indication. And at the Oktoberfest the beer costs around 10€ per Maß (litre).Only a Litre? Looking at my Beer stein shelf at the section with the glass bierkrugs arrayed thereon I have a 300ml, 500ml, 1litre and a 2 litre Monster that was originally filled with Spatenbräu that my cousin bought for me at Oktoberfest a "few" years ago.
I refuse to believe this will result in anything less than seventy years of marriage, followed by peacefully passing away within an hour of each other.
hmmm, I bet Marten and Claire will start dating, then, once Marten is taken, Faye and Angus will break up. Thus preserving the "never the twain shall meet" path that the universe has for Marten and Faye. This pattern will continue for the rest of their lives. While one is with a partner the other will be single.
Long time lurker-but today's comic-and the ensuing discussion-inspired me to actually comment. First, to get it out of the way:Hey, armadillo is delicious.
SQUEEEEEEE
Ahem, okay.
The other thing: Marten is drunk, but he doesn't appear to be "accidentally eat an armadillo" drunk. I mean, he still seems reasonably in control of his faculties, and aware of what's going on around him. With that said, if a girl is nuzzling your neck and saying "don't ever stop", you would have to be Tequila Monster drunk, or worse, not to get that message.
I refuse to believe this will result in anything less than seventy years of marriage, followed by peacefully passing away within an hour of each other.
I initially squeed but, after reading the comments here, I have come to the conclusion that those suggesting it's a dream are partially right -- I think it is a dream but it's only the last two strips that are the dream. I suspect that, when she said, "Mistakes were made," she realised going back to Marten's was not something she wanted to do that night. She's either going to wake up in her own bed and wonder how much of the night was real or she's having this day dream in front of them and she's going to be brought back to reality when Faye or Marten asks her what she meant by "Don't ever stop."
There are two reasons why I think it's a dream:
- It's out of character for Marten.
- The colour of the walls is wrong.
Claire's face in panel three of today's strip is really freaking great. The emotion I'm getting out of it is just spot on.
Only a Litre? Looking at my Beer stein shelf at the section with the glass bierkrugs arrayed thereon I have a 300ml, 500ml, 1litre and a 2 litre MonsterPer Litre. Doesn't mean you're limited to that.
So she claimed.QuoteMore important question: Is Penelope actually Pizza Girl?!
Didn't PG deliver pizza to Penelope?
I'm not saying it isn't, but it would still be an intense evening if you *accidentally* ate one.Long time lurker-but today's comic-and the ensuing discussion-inspired me to actually comment. First, to get it out of the way:Hey, armadillo is delicious.
SQUEEEEEEE
Ahem, okay.
The other thing: Marten is drunk, but he doesn't appear to be "accidentally eat an armadillo" drunk. I mean, he still seems reasonably in control of his faculties, and aware of what's going on around him. With that said, if a girl is nuzzling your neck and saying "don't ever stop", you would have to be Tequila Monster drunk, or worse, not to get that message.
I refuse to believe this will result in anything less than seventy years of marriage, followed by peacefully passing away within an hour of each other.
Especially if you somehow forgot to incapacitate it first; them suckers are mean.I'm not saying it isn't, but it would still be an intense evening if you *accidentally* ate one.Long time lurker-but today's comic-and the ensuing discussion-inspired me to actually comment. First, to get it out of the way:Hey, armadillo is delicious.
SQUEEEEEEE
Ahem, okay.
The other thing: Marten is drunk, but he doesn't appear to be "accidentally eat an armadillo" drunk. I mean, he still seems reasonably in control of his faculties, and aware of what's going on around him. With that said, if a girl is nuzzling your neck and saying "don't ever stop", you would have to be Tequila Monster drunk, or worse, not to get that message.
I refuse to believe this will result in anything less than seventy years of marriage, followed by peacefully passing away within an hour of each other.
when Faye or Marten asks her what she meant by "Don't ever stop."
I wonder if drunk Marten somehow realizes he's cheating on Emily in some way, or that he's now getting involved with 2 girls yet again.I get that he's drunk so it maybe doesn't have to make sense, but what? He has been pretty firm about how he'll reject Emily, especially when he talked to Faye. I don't think he's too interested (and I don't think she'll be hurt. I mean, more mice for her!).
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I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.
I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.
I'm putting money on this being a dream and Clare waking up nuzzling Pintsize who out of habit is being half way decent for reasons unknown.
I guess I don't see the how the whole Clare\Marten is such a popular idea, though that might be because I see Clare as a poorly built character more for Sesame Street shock value with her being trans (Yes I am aware of the admins post about this but this is still my opinion on the character) then as a serious long time 2 second line character like Raven or PenPen. Now is she as bad in all respects as Emily is? No not close.Well. Off to the bomb shelter. 'Cause this post is radioactive.
I'm putting money on this being a dream and Clare waking up nuzzling Pintsize who out of habit is being half way decent for reasons unknown.
Welcome, latest new people!
Some things you should know in advance: first, QC is a comic about people doing stupid things. Claire is smarter than the average character but remember that if she does something stupid it won't be an attack on trans people in general.
The other thing, closely related, is that Jeph has done a widely praised good job at making Claire an individual, and not The Trans Character. Anything she says or does is just her and not a Message.
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople or even if he does want to date transpeople, date Clare in particular.
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
I oft forget of Claire as trans until I remind myself, and that, I think, is kind of the point? (apologies if not)
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
Telling you why you're wrong would require me to speculate about Claire's parts, which we've been told not to do.
There is some stuff I want to say about this but I really think we need to move away from any sort of parts discussion.
I really feel like everyone (both in the forums and in the comic) is blowing the ethical dilemma WAY out of proportion. There is definitely a standard of conduct between coworkers in the workplace, and this might be an issue between two people in a large corporation, if it were a supervisor/subordinate relationship that existed fairly high up the food chain.
There is some stuff I want to say about this but I really think we need to move away from any sort of parts discussion.
Pretty much this and even if we could we have no idea how transitioning is different in the QC universe compared to our own their science is far more advanced which could have implications as well.
Just because Marten isn't transphobic doesn't mean he wants to date transpeople
That -is- transphobic, though. To have internalized disgust of the mere thought of us in the abstract. If I said "The thought of being in a relationship with an asian person disturbs me and I don't think I could date someone like that" then that is unquestionably racist. People completely have the right to not have relationships or whatever with any person for any reason (or lack thereof), but that doesn't change the facts of the underlying bias and othering involved. A statement like "not wanting to date trans people (and more specifically trans -women-)" inevitably rests on a basis of transphobia and cissexism because of where the thoughts behind it originate.
We know Marten likes girls. Trans girls are -girls-, ergo he likes trans girls. There also isn't some universal defining characteristic in common to all trans girls outside of actually being girls. Not that that's the reason for the repulsed response in the first place. It's mostly just the widespread transmisogyny in our culture, which paints us as disgusting abstract objects rather than actual people, seeping through.
That sure is a lot of bullshit right there, Orkboy.
The fact that your emphasized "counter-argument" example is "Are you calling straight men homophobic for not wanting a gay relationship, then!?" is really telling.
And no, a specific aesthetic preference is not at all the same damn thing as "I don't date asian people because the thought of being with them disturbs me". That is friggin' blatantly obvious. I doubt you could find someone who genuinely was disgusted at the thought of being with a brown-haired girl, without some underlying triggers, to explain their preference for blondes. Where as we actually do have uncountable examples of the media showing people perfectly happy to be intimate with trans women, have no issues with their bodies, and then afterwards LITERALLY PROJECTILE VOMITING DUE TO THE MERE THOUGH OF HAVING BEEN WITH ONE OF THESE CREATURES.
So don't tell me it's the same fucking thing.
I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Marten and Claire, not the media portrayal of trans relationships.
I am a straight male who was born and identifies as a male.
I disagree... it depends on motivations and reasons for dating.
I want to eventually father children (both biologically and in the parental sense).
because of that, I date women with the idea of possibly starting a family in the future.
refusing to date people of $orientation is not $orientation-phobic
There is some stuff I want to say about this but I really think we need to move away from any sort of parts discussion.
Also this. Though paper-thin euphemisms for the same sort of discussion isn't really moving away from it, people.
"But of course it's totally legit and non-transphobic to find you people, as a class, unattractive because ~reasons~" isn't exactly hard to figure out.
Counter-point: Fuck entirely off with your transmisogyny.
I will, in fact, state that we are every bit as much women as anyone else and that is not up for "debate". I am not looking to "debate" my right to exist with you, I am telling you what is cissexist and what has underlying transmisogyny.
Actually, I read about the possibility of uterus transplants a few months ago. Sweden is apparently doing them successfully. I might imagine since the QC universe has more advanced technology than our own, the whole "what if marten wants kids?!" things might not particularly be an issue.
Your right to exist is not being questioned. Of course you have a right to exist. Nobody has challenged that.
Welcome, latest new people!
Some things you should know in advance: first, QC is a comic about people doing stupid things. Claire is smarter than the average character but remember that if she does something stupid it won't be an attack on trans people in general.
The other thing, closely related, is that Jeph has done a widely praised good job at making Claire an individual, and not The Trans Character. Anything she says or does is just her and not a Message.
Whether it was aimed at me or not, I might be guilty of implying this in my first post and would just like to say I understand both of those points - I oft forget of Claire as trans until I remind myself, and that, I think, is kind of the point? (apologies if not) She is a good, rounded character with her own foibles and issues, and far from just 'the trans one'. I have huge respect for Jeph in this.
For anyone (like me) who wants to go back and find the Wedding arc it starts roundabout here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2377).
Really looking forward to being part of the forum, and please, pick me up on anything if I make a tit out of myself.
I oft forget of Claire as trans until I remind myself.
(remember, in the past, REAL haters KILLED people, not just stated opinions on the internet)
Your right to exist is not being questioned. Of course you have a right to exist. Nobody has challenged that.
My being a woman is a non-negotiable fact of my existence which can not be haggled piecemeal away. Don't take for granted that such a debate is real and legitimate, rather than just a Domination Technique by people in an oppressor-class.
Being transexual has nothing to do with her character, AND THAT's what i dont like.
Ok, This is my very first and last post around here. ¿Why did I made a account for that? Mostly just to express myself.
Look, by this point I don't even care if Marteen fucks claire. I may find the idea of ME having sex with a trasgender disgusting (Call me trasphobic all you want, I don't care) but if someone wants to do it, its their business I will not ever critique someone for their fetishes. to each their own.
Being transexual has nothing to do with her character, AND THAT's what i dont like.
I would argue that that's EXACTLY how it should be - being trans is just one small aspect of who she (and other transgendered people) is as a person. If you don't like the rest of who she is, so be it, but that's pretty much a separate issue.
I agree for the most part the only part I find weird is how she outright outs herself. Like it felt inorganic, like it was just an initial statement "Hey kids look we have diversity!" without doing anything with that diversity. It'd be like if instead of Tai talking about girlfriends and hooking up with girls in an organic sense she'd be like "Yeah I like girls" but then never date girls, express interest in girls. Like I felt like a more organic way of showing Clare was trans without making it about trans-issues could've been done like offhand comments about transition or side conversations.
Like it felt inorganic, like it was just an initial statement "Hey kids look we have diversity!" without doing anything with that diversity.
I agree for the most part the only part I find weird is how she outright outs herself. Like it felt inorganic, like it was just an initial statement "Hey kids look we have diversity!" without doing anything with that diversity. It'd be like if instead of Tai talking about girlfriends and hooking up with girls in an organic sense she'd be like "Yeah I like girls" but then never date girls, express interest in girls. Like I felt like a more organic way of showing Clare was trans without making it about trans-issues could've been done like offhand comments about transition or side conversations.
It needs to be blatant because of the Null Hypothecis. Emphasis on the cis. Anyone not explicitly stated otherwise people will consider cis, due to cisnormativity. Just as how people presume characters in books are white for no reason, or project heterosexuality onto characters even when none is mentioned (and trying to argue characters with very, very blatant hints otherwise still aren't anything but hetero).
Oh, and don't presume avoiding transness is a goal for everyone. I wear a pendant by our very own CaspianSeaMonster (http://images3.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_1280789_1438492_1389435987.jpg), for instance. For many of us it's important to not give into societal pressures to have it as a shameful secret. Y'know.. Pride.
Well, look at it this way: Jeph has done FAR more with the token transgendered girl than he did with the token black girl. :mrgreen:
Being transexual has nothing to do with her character, AND THAT's what i dont like.
I would argue that that's EXACTLY how it should be - being trans is just one small aspect of who she (and other transgendered people) is as a person. If you don't like the rest of who she is, so be it, but that's pretty much a separate issue.
I agree for the most part the only part I find weird is how she outright outs herself. Like it felt inorganic, like it was just an initial statement "Hey kids look we have diversity!" without doing anything with that diversity. It'd be like if instead of Tai talking about girlfriends and hooking up with girls in an organic sense she'd be like "Yeah I like girls" but then never date girls, express interest in girls. Like I felt like a more organic way of showing Clare was trans without making it about trans-issues could've been done like offhand comments about transition or side conversations.
she's pretty much an adorably shy book-nerd who wears her heart on her sleeve (I don't know if that's the right saying, I'm talking about how she doesn't have a pokerface like at all) and makes amazing puns
Bottom line, I don't think there was anything inorganic (word I saw used above) about how Claire did it. Sometimes it happens that way. And I definitely don't agree with the idea that because it was abrupt means it was necessarily just to 'get it out of the way' so that QC could have a trans character, nor was it Jeph screaming anything about diversity or inclusiveness even.
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I personally hope Marten and Claire become a couple, 'cause I like them both and he's been alone too long and she will love him like no tomorrow if he gives her a chance, but if it turns out it was a dream and halfpint has been whispering redhead porn dialogue in his ear, okay. Jeph's the storyteller, and I've spent five years loving his story.
Claire's coming out to Marten was very similar to how I came out to my best friend. It wasn't at a lakehouse, granted (god I wish one of my friends had a lakehouse, that'd be awesome), but I wasn't planning on telling him at all that night nor were we talking about anything remotely related to the subject. It was very out of the blue, and I'm still not sure why I decided at that moment to do it lol. But I did. Same thing happened with a few other people as well. For other people, like my parents, I did come up with a premeditated plan beforehand on where/when I wanted to tell them and what I wanted to say when I did.One of my friends has a lakehouse and a speedboat. =P
Bottom line, I don't think there was anything inorganic (word I saw used above) about how Claire did it. Sometimes it happens that way. And I definitely don't agree with the idea that because it was abrupt means it was necessarily just to 'get it out of the way' so that QC could have a trans character, nor was it Jeph screaming anything about diversity or inclusiveness even.
Counter-point: Fuck entirely off with your transmisogyny.
I will, in fact, state that we are every bit as much women as anyone else and that is not up for "debate". I am not looking to "debate" my right to exist with you; I am telling you what is cissexist and what has underlying transmisogyny.
Gender and trans/cis/anywhere-in-between notwithstanding, your reactions to people making good-faith attempts to have a conversation are not productive.
Argh, I wrote a long post about this and then my phone deleted it! Suffice to say, trans people hear a lot of justifications from cis people about why, even though they're super supportive, we shouldn't be able to expect to date or compete in sports or use public restrooms or whatever, and if some of us don't take it easy when we hear another iteration of that same justification, it's pretty well justified.
But I'm not arguing that it's RIGHT for me or anyone to feel that way. I'm confessing that it's the case and (perhaps too presumptively) speaking for other privileged straight cis-guys, and trying to explain how it's possible both to be supportive and to experience anxiety - born of ignorance, I admit - with regard to hooking up. And that it's simply not possible for a lot of us to just erase the "Trans" part from trans woman.
Is there truly not a big difference between "You shouldn't expect to date" and "Look, this is something I'd have to come to terms with and would, like it or not, think about in a different way"?
I can't remember where it was, or whether Jeph was was just trolling us but I remember that someone once linked to a comment by the writer (I think it was Formspring but it could have been Tumblr) where he said that Marten would never be lucky in love.
I can't remember where it was, or whether Jeph was was just trolling us but I remember that someone once linked to a comment by the writer (I think it was Formspring but it could have been Tumblr) where he said that Marten would never be lucky in love.
Yes, he said that; yes, it was in a generally facetious context; yes, it was a long time ago and he's allowed to change his mind.
One of my friends has a lakehouse and a speedboat. =P
But yeah, it definitely seems out-of-the blue when I tell my friends something personal like that. (I don't have stuff as personal as gender or sexuality figured out, but there have been times in my life like the ones you described and... now I don't know if any of this made sense.) :psyduck:
Bottom line, I don't think there was anything inorganic (word I saw used above) about how Claire did it. Sometimes it happens that way. And I definitely don't agree with the idea that because it was abrupt means it was necessarily just to 'get it out of the way' so that QC could have a trans character, nor was it Jeph screaming anything about diversity or inclusiveness even.
He literally introduced three un-represented "token" characters in a single panel in the most out of fashion way that we're use to. He made it up for it by making Clare a good character but I think being someone skeptical of Jeph is fair.
Said lakehouse also has a TV room with the most comfortable couches I have ever slept on.One of my friends has a lakehouse and a speedboat. =P
But yeah, it definitely seems out-of-the blue when I tell my friends something personal like that. (I don't have stuff as personal as gender or sexuality figured out, but there have been times in my life like the ones you described and... now I don't know if any of this made sense.) :psyduck:
All I saw was that your friend has a lakehouse and a speedboat and now I'm super jealous :-P
I think it's very wrong to say that Claire's tran-ness isn't a part of her character
I'm basically only here to say that I really hope this isn't going to be another bait-and-switch where nothing really happens and it either gets completely ignored or completely kills their friendship. Partly because I'm tired of how often this sort of thing seems to get dangled in front of our/Marten's nose then pulled away, and mostly because they are hella cute together regardless of any other shit.
I'm basically only here to say that I really hope this isn't going to be another bait-and-switch where nothing really happens and it either gets completely ignored or completely kills their friendship. Partly because I'm tired of how often this sort of thing seems to get dangled in front of our/Marten's nose then pulled away, and mostly because they are hella cute together regardless of any other shit.Ya know, I hadn't thought of that, but yeah, he's had a couple instances of things not going long term.
Marten and Claire don't seem to regard anything in their medical histories as an elephant in the room. It's entirely their place to decide.
Anyone uncomfortable with trans people, please work it out somewhere else.
New people: don't use this thread as an example of how to do things here. It's right on the edge of requiring major moderator intervention, in fact.
Everyone: major moderator intervention starts any time now.
Of course, most girls go through that. But not when they're 24. And that's how I think being trans is relevant to Claire's character. She's a late bloomer and still finding herself.
I think that's a mark of how great off storyteller (not to mention a trans ally) Jeph is-he has created and grown Claire in a way where her trans-ness is apparent and realistic, but just like in reality it's not showcased or focused upon. It's just a thing that's there sometimes and sometimes colors her actions or experiences.
I'm just hoping they're gonna touch butts. Everyone loves butts :D
(also hi, I'm new)
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1146All part of Pintsize's plan to make Marten associate barf to hot women.
Faye got lapbarfed after Marten got food poisoning.
I really don't know what to say to this. This weeks comics have made my heart smile and then to see the forums going in this direction, well it is heart breaking.
I really don't know what to say to this. This weeks comics have made my heart smile and then to see the forums going in this direction, well it is heart breaking.
Right there with you. I joined the forum (as, apparently, did many others) because of the awesomeness of this week in QC. I started reading this thread, and... yeah. Wow.
All I'm going to say about the debate that's been going on is this: to me, the art of being human consists of treating other people as human beings, whether you understand them or not.
All I'm going to say about the comic (for now, at least) is, OMG that is about the cutest and sweetest thing ever.
this is the best thing. I really need to get around to a marathon run of Bob's Burgers one of these days.I'm just hoping they're gonna touch butts. Everyone loves butts :D
(also hi, I'm new)
Hahaha... That reminded me of this:
(http://media.tumblr.com/6f39511e6e30a8e080c791f55d5771df/tumblr_mezr6zJWbs1r17qi5o9_r1_250.gif)
Hi, New!
this is the best thing. I really need to get around to a marathon run of Bob's Burgers one of these days.I'm just hoping they're gonna touch butts. Everyone loves butts :D
(also hi, I'm new)
Hahaha... That reminded me of this:
(http://media.tumblr.com/6f39511e6e30a8e080c791f55d5771df/tumblr_mezr6zJWbs1r17qi5o9_r1_250.gif)
Hi, New!
I really don't know what to say to this. This weeks comics have made my heart smile and then to see the forums going in this direction, well it is heart breaking.
Right there with you. I joined the forum (as, apparently, did many others) because of the awesomeness of this week in QC. I started reading this thread, and... yeah. Wow.
All I'm going to say about the debate that's been going on is this: to me, the art of being human consists of treating other people as human beings, whether you understand them or not.
All I'm going to say about the comic (for now, at least) is, OMG that is about the cutest and sweetest thing ever.
I really don't understand this position. Except for a few shithead trolls who are obviously just trying to stir up trouble, I think everyone here is trying to have a rational conversation about a topic that's important both in the real world and (potentially, at least) in the comic. If that's not your bag, you've got a solid 6-7 pages of "OMG, Squeeeee!!!!" you can reread before the discussion on gender queerness, privilege, etc., even gets rolling.
Tai, I expect, is going to cover for Marten and Claire until one of them (probably Marten) can find a new job and remove the ethical conflict. This may be exactly the kick in the pants Marten needs to get out of his rut and get his life moving forward.
He literally introduced three un-represented "token" characters in a single panel in the most out of fashion way that we're use to. He made it up for it by making Clare a good character but I think being someone skeptical of Jeph is fair.
I agree. This also applies to her lack of romantic experience and her uncertainty around boys. If I recall correctly, she more or less directly attributed the fact that she's never kissed anybody to being caught up in her own transition.I think it's very wrong to say that Claire's tran-ness isn't a part of her character
I'd agree with this. Like if you look at the first panel here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2389). The comic doesn't TALK about it, but you look at her expression and realize that's probably the first time she really got to dress up like that, fitting room aside. And as the comic went on she's expressed herself a lot girlier, getting her ears pierced and being more likely to wear a dress over a shirt and shorts.
Of course, most girls go through that. But not when they're 24. And that's how I think being trans is relevant to Claire's character. She's a late bloomer and still finding herself.
And if this is a long term thing - "Don't ever stop." - whats Veronica's reaction going to be? There is plenty of scope for comedic confusion, as so many think they know more than they do, and some misconceptions are hilarious. She's likely to have more than most.Haha, I forgot about how Veronica was already trying to get Marten and Claire together at the wedding. I can imagine her inundating Claire with sex tips when she and Marten are still in the "holding hands" phase of a relationship. :-D
The other thing: Marten is drunk, but he doesn't appear to be "accidentally eat an armadillo" drunk. I mean, he still seems reasonably in control of his faculties, and aware of what's going on around him. With that said, if a girl is nuzzling your neck and saying "don't ever stop", you would have to be Tequila Monster drunk, or worse, not to get that message.Good point. However oblivious he was to start with, he's got to be at least starting to catch on by now, and his reaction is all positive.
As for drunken Marten being "intimate" here with Claire, I have my own theories. The drunken socializer. When sober, I absolutely HATE being touched. Major pet-peeve. Also decently introverted. Get me drunk though, and I schmooze. And not just that, I get way super feely with people, even strangers, more so with friends. I basically become the hugging panda bear. Embarrassing really, but true.Steve does that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/2321), but I don't think we've ever seen Marty do it, and we've seen him drunk quite a few times.
Welcome!
In another situation (involving a sexual minority, actually, though that wasn't the point), Jeph got tons of email about an individual decision the character was making, because the people emailing him thought it was a message about everyone in the same minority.
Unless Jeph makes an unprecedented change in how he writes, Claire is going to be an individual. (If I understand right, in fact, that's the part that is a breath of fresh air for trans people looking at portrayals in the media). The characters all screw up to the normal human extent, and a bit more so that funny situations come up.
When Claire does something stupid, be reassured in advance that it's NOT a reflection on other trans people.
If a character says something stupid or hostile to or about Claire, that character will be the opposite of speaking for the author. If nobody does, it's only because Jeph apparently doesn't enjoy writing nasty people.
If Claire's experiences don't match those of other trans people, same comment, she's an individual. For example, right now it looks like she has a supportive family. That doesn't mean Jeph is suppressing the reality of the reactions so many trans people get from those who most need to support them.Quote from: Jeph...if you're trying to divine some overarching moral standpoint from my comic: the moral of my comic is that people should try to be nice to each other."
(100% off topic, I like Claire. She reminds me of myself in several ways).
EDIT: The comic and the forum include large doses of silliness, even about the most serious of subjects. The Claire story line is going to remind many people of the worst experiences of their lives. Humor is consistent with respect for your experience. This next quote isn't official, but it's insightful:Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWNI also think it's important to step back, take a breath, and recall that QC is at its heart a lighthearted situational comedy where perpetual hipsters, nerds and a mad scientist's daughter share lives with porn-obsessed robots and Yelling Birds, and that if you view everything in it through the lens of Really Serious Drama, you are inviting nothing but constant heartbreak. Like life, QC should be enjoyed, and laughed at, not just the source of bitten lips and pursed brows
Can I just say that I'm incredibly jealous of both Marten and Claire, and what they're sharing, right now?
I really feel like everyone (both in the forums and in the comic) is blowing the ethical dilemma WAY out of proportion. There is definitely a standard of conduct between coworkers in the workplace, and this might be an issue between two people in a large corporation, if it were a supervisor/subordinate relationship that existed fairly high up the food chain.
They're working at a university library.
Due to his lack of anything remotely resembling a Library Sciences degree, Marten is at best some sort of generic library assistant. I'd posit there's a pretty good chance that his job duties involve little more than what he showed the interns in the montage - basic library and facility upkeep duties. I seriously doubt he has ANY administrative duties at all, those would fall to Tai, especially anything involving hiring/firing or scheduling (if the interns are paid, I can guarantee that is controlled by someone above her, probably the HR unit of whatever department the library falls under). If I had to guess, the interns are doing the exact same thing that Marten is, and he's only marginally "above" them because he's a permanent employee and has been there longer. His actual degree of control over them is likely limited to having them run minor errands or something, and I really can't see how dating one of them could present any kind of conflict of interest.
So, yeah, applying questionable hangups to Marten based on nothing does kinda bum me out even if it did lead to some really important discussion, cause I think the text tells a much different story.
I keep getting this weird visceral feeling whenever I look at Claire's expression, like I've felt something like it before, but I've never been in a remotely similar situation.Can I just say that I'm incredibly jealous of both Marten and Claire, and what they're sharing, right now?
Srsly. This comic is giving me some serious flashbacks (and some pangs) to a time when things were new and nervous and exciting.
Marten hasn't shown anything either way. He's playing around with her like she's a cat or a little sister. The point is that people are setting themselves for a possible heart break.
I totally agree with this, but... muh ship ;_;Marten hasn't shown anything either way. He's playing around with her like she's a cat or a little sister. The point is that people are setting themselves for a possible heart break.
Thank you, Alphawolf! Those EXACT two images -- she's acting like a cat! he's acting like a big brother! --occurred to me, and I've been reading the comments trying to see if someone will bring it up.
I'm gonna go off to work tonight, come back home, log in, and we'll be up to 15 pages, won't we?
I'm gonna go off to work tonight, come back home, log in, and we'll be up to 15 pages, won't we?
Either that or the forum gets torched. We'll see what happens first.
At 15 pages a genie appears to grant a wish. Be very careful how you word it however, as it's a monkeys paw thing and he'll screw you if he can.
At 15 pages a genie appears to grant a wish. Be very careful how you word it however, as it's a monkeys paw thing and he'll screw you if he can."I wish for Marten and Claire to get into a stable, healthy relationship within the next 50 strips."
Loopholes: The next strip could be the final strip of the comic. No stipulations were made regarding the other characters, who may all suffer."...and that the strip doesn't end within the next 1000 pages."
The only way out is wishing for wishes that don't get subject to being fuddled with.
I didn't necessarily see a problem with the introduction of the interns and we've had Amir, Padma and Dale who aren't white and of those characters Amir and Dale have had some spot light time beyond their introduction.
Granted, that isn't saying a heck of a lot for diversity, but the interns didn't strike me as tokenism.
Only thing I can say:
GODDAMN I CAN'T WAIT FOR MONDAYS COMIC.
Can I just say that I'm incredibly jealous of both Marten and Claire, and what they're sharing, right now?
Srsly. This comic is giving me some serious flashbacks (and some pangs) to a time when things were new and nervous and exciting.
I'm gonna go off to work tonight, come back home, log in, and we'll be up to 15 pages, won't we?
squeeeeeeeeeI'm gonna go off to work tonight, come back home, log in, and we'll be up to 15 pages, won't we?
Well, seeing that yesterday I logged out and it was at five pages compared to the 13 pages when I logged on today, it's quite possible. I could've done without sqeeeeezing past all the squee piles forum goers left lying around, though.
Thoughts about the latest developments? Wow, too much heavy lifting. I'm taking the wait-and-see route, because I don't like to get my exercise by jumping to conclusions. I am leaning towards Claire reading a bit too much into what a tipsy Marten is doing, but hey, it's all good. Let's hear it for Monday! (Whoa, never thought I'd say that!)
I'm gonna go off to work tonight, come back home, log in, and we'll be up to 15 pages, won't we?
Well, seeing that yesterday I logged out and it was at five pages compared to the 13 pages when I logged on today, it's quite possible. I could've done without sqeeeeezing past all the squee piles forum goers left lying around, though.
Thoughts about the latest developments? Wow, too much heavy lifting. I'm taking the wait-and-see route, because I don't like to get my exercise by jumping to conclusions. I am leaning towards Claire reading a bit too much into what a tipsy Marten is doing, but hey, it's all good. Let's hear it for Monday! (Whoa, never thought I'd say that!)
He's not said anything, but I think Jeph's problem with Gabby is he made a stereotype sassy black woman. Not because that was what he set out to do, but because he can't help but sass.I dunno, I think you're applying stereotypes where there are none. She seems pretty normal in the five (this is an exaggeration) strips she appears in. And I don't think any character of Jacques' can help but sass.
EDIT: Also, I think it's the general consensus that the media is wrong about everything else trans related.
Remember when Hannelore came back from her practice date with Sven? She had to deal with friends who were looking to find problems, and finally exclaimed "Why can't you just be happy for me?" or something to that effect.
Let's just be happy for Marten and Claire. Whatever the future holds, we will always have the Moment of Perfect Cuteness.
At some point Faye will walk through in her underwear on her way to the bathroom and there will be some kind of tension to break... For now, just enjoy the squeeee.
I miss Emily. I guess Marten also will start thinking about her when he gets sober.
I miss Emily. I guess Marten also will start thinking about her when he gets sober.
I can't pretend to have any understanding of your certainty that he feels anything beyond the platonic for Emily, or vice versa. Not taking a dig, I honestly just can't grasp it.
He's not said anything, but I think Jeph's problem with Gabby is he made a stereotype sassy black woman. Not because that was what he set out to do, but because he can't help but sass.
As I once saw on the Wikipedia article on rationalization, "Humans are rationalizing creatures, not rational ones." -some famous philosopher guy or other, I pay zero attention to names :psyduck:I miss Emily. I guess Marten also will start thinking about her when he gets sober.
I can't pretend to have any understanding of your certainty that he feels anything beyond the platonic for Emily, or vice versa. Not taking a dig, I honestly just can't grasp it.
Well Marten is not really a guy with a lot of options, so to be perfectly honest he's less likely to turn down ANY girl who gives him any form of attention.
To put it another way: remember when Claire and Marten went to the wedding and he was all like OMG CLAIRE WAS SNUGGLING ME, but he had no indication of real attraction to her? Same thing seemed to happen after Emily gave him a peck on the cheek, and he even gave the same speech as Claire. The one about intern-librarian relationships being a bad idea.
TL;DR people make decisions and rationalize them later, not the other way around. So we'll see what happens.
Many people's complaints about the limited appearance of some characters might (just might) be lessened if Jeph wrote ten strips a day...
Mein Gott. :psyduck:You should. It's been an interesting ride.
When I last saw this thread, it was 8 pages in. I am not reading back through all these replies.
1. Mad props to all the trans* people who have to put up with this shit daily, and still try to educate and open minds.
Apologies if that came off as patronizing :psyduck:. It's naive, but I've kinda used QC and it's community as a moral compass, coming from a privileged position.It didn't. It's fine. It came off as a rather kind and thoroughly human thing to say. Thanks!
Claire's a late bloomer. She had no idea that anyone could feel this way. Her reaction? To snuggle in total bliss, acting without thought, entirely on instinct. She's discovered things about Life that most know a decade earlier, and discovered things about herself too. Things she never suspected.
Seriously, though, marriage speculation? I'm rooting for them too, but, seriously...
Marten and Claire don't seem to regard anything in their medical histories as an elephant in the room. It's entirely their place to decide.There *is* something about Claire's medical history that may be of relevance here, and it isn't the one that people have been screeching about. Girl takes Ativan. That's not the kind of medication that responsible doctors hand out lightly, due to the fact that benzos are highly addictive, and can be rather dangerous. Her anxiety issues might be enough that in a few strips, she'll be running whilst screaming from Marten, and not because of anything he's done. Or that they otherwise torpedo the potential boat here.
Marten and Claire don't seem to regard anything in their medical histories as an elephant in the room. It's entirely their place to decide.There *is* something about Claire's medical history that may be of relevance here, and it isn't the one that people have been screeching about. Girl takes Ativan. That's not the kind of medication that responsible doctors hand out lightly, due to the fact that benzos are highly addictive, and can be rather dangerous. Her anxiety issues might be enough that in a few strips, she'll be running whilst screaming from Marten, and not because of anything he's done. Or that they otherwise torpedo the potential boat here.
And if anyone wants to fuck with me for saying that dating people with anxiety issues may be difficult, I say bring it. I have those kind of issues personally, and take several drugs, including Clonazepam for them. I may not know much about trans* issues, but I know a lot about anxiety, and how if it's not fully managed, it can destroy relationships or even prevent good ones from happening in the first place.
Many people's complaints about the limited appearance of some characters might (just might) be lessened if Jeph wrote ten strips a day...
Willis could write 9 of them, but I'm not sure people would like the result... :roll:Many people's complaints about the limited appearance of some characters might (just might) be lessened if Jeph wrote ten strips a day...
Three words: Not. A. Chance. ;)
EDIT: Oh noes, I made it page 14! :-o :-o :psyduck:
In what sense were the ex-coppers bent?Given that it's Australian slang; corrupt, abusing their power, on the take. That sort of thing. Probably.
In what sense were the ex-coppers bent?
I imagine hedgie was asking more about what they were doing.In what sense were the ex-coppers bent?Given that it's Australian slang; corrupt, abusing their power, on the take. That sort of thing. Probably.
In what sense were the ex-coppers bent?
I'm guessing he means corrupt since he mentioned about carrying a body and not bent like the new iPhone 6.
Wow, fuck the selective censorship on this forum. I mean, I was kinda looking forward to further replying to Valdis' extremely comprehensive and enlightening reply, but all of that seems to have been purged. I understand wanting to be sensitive to some individuals, and yeah, fuck the obvious trolls but when you allow accusations of transphobia but don't allow those on the business end of that accusation to defend themselves and clarify what they mean, it just looks like rank hypocrisy.Those posts haven't been deleted. They're here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30119.0.html).
Or maybe you had to make more room for Squeee posts or speculation about "Is Jephzibah trolling us, lolz?" You know, the important stuff.
Wow, fuck the selective censorship on this forum. I mean, I was kinda looking forward to further replying to Valdis' extremely comprehensive and enlightening reply, but all of that seems to have been purged. I understand wanting to be sensitive to some individuals, and yeah, fuck the obvious trolls but when you allow accusations of transphobia but don't allow those on the business end of that accusation to defend themselves and clarify what they mean, it just looks like rank hypocrisy.You can think whatever you like, but there have been times when this forum has been extremely....volatile to put it lightly. To such an extent that Jeph has pretty much stopped coming to the forum anymore. The mods have spent quite a lot of time trying to bring things back to a civilised point, but as we've seen, things do flare up at certain points. Things can and do turn nasty for a brief period.
Or maybe you had to make more room for Squeee posts or speculation about "Is Jephzibah trolling us, lolz?" You know, the important stuff.
It all got moved to Discuss, dude.
It is rare to see posts edited or deleted here, however sensitive topics or topics meriting their own threat will be moved to such as a matter of standard policy.
Is it me or has has Claire gradually gotten prettier? I sort of miss her big goofy super bookworm look. I guess maybe she's gotten more relaxed, more work into appearance and of course art evolution.
Still, I just hope she doesn't go full hot librarian and remains a cute nerdy librarian in training.
And those glasses better stick around at least half the time!
I at least have an excuse. The one time I was in a remarkably similar situation, we ended up engaged within a few weeks, married after a sensible 1-year delay. It's our 34th anniversary in February.
Actually, there have been two posts deleted from this thread. One dropped a strong hint at a toxic slur. The other was classic hate and I just perma-banned the author and the IP he rode in on. Other mods caught both of them, thank you for your alertness.That's how we know you do a good job: when we don't even notice that such things had happened at all.
If this goes the way a lot of us are expecting, I'm suddenly hoping that Marten's way of finding out Tai knows about him and Claire is Tai simply giving him a "She Blinded Me with Library Science" t-shirt like the one she was wearing when they first met, and just smirking her ass off.I didn't even know how much I wanted this to happen. That would be absolutely hilarious! Which means it's never happen because it's been posted about out in the open. Ah well.
If this goes the way a lot of us are expecting, I'm suddenly hoping that Marten's way of finding out Tai knows about him and Claire is Tai simply giving him a "She Blinded Me with Library Science" t-shirt like the one she was wearing when they first met, and just smirking her ass off.
Her anxiety issues might be enough that in a few strips, she'll be running whilst screaming from Marten, and not because of anything he's done. Or that they otherwise torpedo the potential boat here.
And if anyone wants to fuck with me for saying that dating people with anxiety issues may be difficult, I say bring it.
If there is a ship sailing or signs leading to it come next week I plan to binge read from Martin's break up to now just for sheer Claire and Marten interaction.
Yeah, done that twice already, decided to start from 0001 and am in the low 1500s now. Weekend's shot, thanks so much.
"You're at the last comic." What? There are no more!?
The worst part of binge reading is reaching the end.
OK, somebody needs to do the WCT/Poll for next week as I'm fresh outta ideas
What??
At least I'm honest about it!!!
Dream
Mistake (Marten)
Mistake (Claire)
Mistake (halfpint (?!))
Couple (!!!)
Yelling Bird
Butts
Cereal
Pintsize's name is Pintsize, not Halfpint.
Pintsize's name is Pintsize, not Halfpint.Of course! Pintsize is Pintsize's name while Halfpint is Halfpint's name!
"The genie will answer one question and one question only."No.
"Each?"
I prophesied a genie and he has come. But, uh, what else was so important about page 15?um, I think the goal of the OP was for this to reach page 15?
Anyways, let's get back to talking about how adorable Claire has been this week.Super adorable. Adorable to absurd, possibly dangerous levels.
May I?OK, somebody needs to do the WCT/Poll for next week as I'm fresh outta ideas
What??
At least I'm honest about it!!!
I might be able to do it, but work has been very fickle as of late.
I prophesied a genie and he has come. But, uh, what else was so important about page 15?
That's what they (you know ... THEM) want you to think. His last name is Crunch, and he holds the rank of Captain.Headcanon accepted.
And the cereal fairy is his second-in-command on his ship.That's what they (you know ... THEM) want you to think. His last name is Crunch, and he holds the rank of Captain.Headcanon accepted.
How many options does the poll need? We can just all throw out ideas til we find the best ones. I suggest Steve Week: All Steve, All the Time.He has to get through that year's supply of cereal somehow. Just... please no Steve Year, however much more adequately it would deal with the absurd surplus.
I just realized that I have no idea what Steve's last name is. :psyduck:
I demand fan art.And the cereal fairy is his second-in-command on his ship.That's what they (you know ... THEM) want you to think. His last name is Crunch, and he holds the rank of Captain.Headcanon accepted.
May I?OK, somebody needs to do the WCT/Poll for next week as I'm fresh outta ideas
What??
At least I'm honest about it!!!
I might be able to do it, but work has been very fickle as of late.
Go for it. We have 10 suggestions for a poll (plus I would add: "SQUEEEEEEEE!!!!").I like this option.
I'll be happy for them if they just stay snugglebuddies.But Claire's blushies are psychic. They foretell that something either amazing or depressing will happen soon.
I'll be happy for them if they just stay snugglebuddies.Same. It's a good place to be, and it'll still be all kinds of adorable, and there's still room for wacky hijinks as Faye would likely read more into it. My disappointment would come if Marten has an attack of the awkward after being so at ease these past two strips... and we all know that's very likely.
The last news story I heard about Australian police was how at least two detectives had been charged with the murder of a student and had been involved with a major criminal and the drugs trade, so I'm wondering if that's what ZoeB is referring to.They were "business associates" of the highly transphobic ex-cop giving me grief, yes. It wasn't so much him I was worried about, it was them. The more I found out about his "business partners", the more concerned for my family I became. However, the threat has receded.
I am now horrified at the full-throttle ass-holeishness of my initial "Selective censorship" post above. I appreciate being able to continue the conversation in a forum dedicated solely to it.
*slinks away*
This WCDT has an odd lack of pun trains. I haven't had a chance to use :claireface:!That would be a de-rail, surely? Right now, everyone has a one track mind.
I'm sure if we keep chugging along, we'll get into a nice rhythm.This WCDT has an odd lack of pun trains. I haven't had a chance to use :claireface:!That would be a de-rail, surely? Right now, everyone has a one track mind.
Does this mean that this topic has gone off the tracks? :claireface:I'm sure if we keep chugging along, we'll get into a nice rhythm.This WCDT has an odd lack of pun trains. I haven't had a chance to use :claireface:!That would be a de-rail, surely? Right now, everyone has a one track mind.
Is this ship allowed in the forum?And the cereal fairy is his second-in-command on his ship.That's what they (you know ... THEM) want you to think. His last name is Crunch, and he holds the rank of Captain.Headcanon accepted.
I don't know... are literal ships banned too? :psyduck:Is this ship allowed in the forum?And the cereal fairy is his second-in-command on his ship.That's what they (you know ... THEM) want you to think. His last name is Crunch, and he holds the rank of Captain.Headcanon accepted.
May I?OK, somebody needs to do the WCT/Poll for next week as I'm fresh outta ideas
What??
At least I'm honest about it!!!
I might be able to do it, but work has been very fickle as of late.
I'm sure there's an exception for literal ships, so long as they follow the law of the sea. (There is a further exception for pirate ships, who need not follow any law... but succumb quickly to scurvy.)that text is so tiny, I had to set my zoom to 500% to see it
Or you can hit Quote and read the comment in the box.I'm sure there's an exception for literal ships, so long as they follow the law of the sea. (There is a further exception for pirate ships, who need not follow any law... but succumb quickly to scurvy.)that text is so tiny, I had to set my zoom to 500% to see it
Or you can hit Quote and read the comment in the box.
Go for it. We have 10 suggestions for a poll (plus I would add: "SQUEEEEEEEE!!!!").
No we can't.Maybe, I'm not too sure.
Oh, OK, Fanart of the new headcan(n)on. Will post link over in fanart, too, but wanted to do my bit tp get this to page 16.#1: This is saved to my hard drive now, thank you.
Steve and his ship. (https://flic.kr/p/pr6Vkq)
#2: YUS PAGE 16!Cheer if you can get another twenty pages into this thread. 36 pages is still the current record.
Break-up week. That was a week where you could read one page and four more would have cropped up.Still got nothing on the thread that last made me join a forum. 196 pages in the first week (http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=101043)...
Well, last year one of my fans suggested I read this. I took him up on that suggestion, and I have not regretted it one bit. I love this comic, have binged through the whole archive twice now, and like many others, all I have to say regarding this is:
Squee. Squee, squee, squee.
Oh, OK, Fanart of the new headcan(n)on. Will post link over in fanart, too, but wanted to do my bit to get this to page 16.
Steve and his ship. (https://flic.kr/p/pr6Vkq)
Oh, OK, Fanart of the new headcan(n)on. Will post link over in fanart, too, but wanted to do my bit to get this to page 16.
Steve and his ship. (https://flic.kr/p/pr6Vkq)
I always thought Steve was a little dinghy.
Welcome, new person!
Oh, OK, Fanart of the new headcan(n)on. Will post link over in fanart, too, but wanted to do my bit to get this to page 16.That is absolutely brilliant. All the details cracked me up.
Steve and his ship. (https://flic.kr/p/pr6Vkq)
One question occurs to me: Why is Claire's head itchy? Are there going to be nit combs in the near future?
One question occurs to me: Why is Claire's head itchy? Are there going to be nit combs in the near future?
She's letting her hair down (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LettingHerHairDown). (WARNING: TVTropes link).That's not quite the right trope, I'd go with shaking her hair loose (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShakingHerHairLoose).
She's letting her hair down (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LettingHerHairDown). (WARNING: TVTropes link).That's not quite the right trope, I'd go with shaking her hair loose (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShakingHerHairLoose).
She's letting her hair down (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LettingHerHairDown). (WARNING: TVTropes link).
That's not quite the right trope, I'd go with shaking her hair loose (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShakingHerHairLoose).