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Comic Discussion => ALICE GROVE => Topic started by: jwhouk on 24 Sep 2014, 18:20

Title: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: jwhouk on 24 Sep 2014, 18:20
Main site: http://www.alicegrove.com

Backup on Tumblr: http://alicegrovecomic.tumblr.com/

Interesting... what's the guy running from/to?


NOTE: As Alice Grove isn't going to be updated as much as QC - at least not in the near future - the Comic Discussion Thread will be a "monthly" endeavor.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Sep 2014, 18:21
I'd rather pose the question: Is that a woman on top of that windmill?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Castlerook on 24 Sep 2014, 18:25
Either that or Don Quixote really messed up somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 24 Sep 2014, 19:11
Wow, the new site is already overloaded. Tumblr backup still works, though.

Yes, definitely a girl on top of that windmill. The how and the why remain to be seen. I'm kind of hoping the "why" never gets answered - she's just the kind of girl who hangs out on top of windmills.  :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HauntingPoem on 24 Sep 2014, 19:35
Yea the new site is still down for me. Interesting start though. Do we know how often the new comic gets updated?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Sep 2014, 19:44
In the newspost under QC Jeph wrote that he'd update twice a week.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Somebody on 24 Sep 2014, 21:23
Is that a woman on top of that windmill?
What windmill? I see no millstones :p
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Sep 2014, 21:29
In the second of the two strips on the tumblr.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 24 Sep 2014, 21:55
Is that a woman on top of that windmill?
What windmill? I see no millstones :p
Wind turbine, for the pedantic.

Any chance the girl on the turbine is named Alice? Might need a last name. G-something, maybe.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Sep 2014, 22:07
Gee, what might give you that idea?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: FunkyTuba on 24 Sep 2014, 22:13
Fun to get to see a new comic from the beginning!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: de_la_Nae on 24 Sep 2014, 22:49
IT'S HAPPENING
   /  \
 :mrgreen: :claireface:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Nyithra on 24 Sep 2014, 23:18
omgomgomgggg
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 24 Sep 2014, 23:25
Thanks for posting the backup link!
Hm. That looks like one of them surreal type o' thingies.
Me gusta.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: DSL on 25 Sep 2014, 01:35
Windmill turbine ... hmm. I seem to remember in the extras for Book 2, a character design for an early version of Hannelore had her posing in front of a turbine, and I wondered why. P'raps Jeph sifted/is sifting through early ideas for something to take in a new direction.
Don't even know, not even trying to guess where I'm going with that, but glimpses into another's creative process are always fascinating.
We shall see.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Doc on 25 Sep 2014, 01:55
Uh oh ...  :?

Not Found
The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

(http://www.alicegrove.com/?paged=2)

Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Sep 2014, 01:56
That's why I've added the alternative URL under the forum link...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Sep 2014, 02:28
Any chance the girl on the turbine is named Alice? Might need a last name. G-something, maybe.
Just to be perverse, I picture Alice Grove as being a place - a grove (woodland, coppice, etc) named after Alice.  After all, we've seen woodland in two comics, and a girl in only one...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Akima on 25 Sep 2014, 02:31
My first thought was that Alice Grove was a place too.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 25 Sep 2014, 02:32
Thirding that.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 25 Sep 2014, 02:38
I'm in the person faction. I mean, I think that Alice Grove is the name of the main character, who is the girl on the wind turbine. Just my guess, of course.
Anyway, I like the start of the comic and I am sooo excited for the next update!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 25 Sep 2014, 02:48
It's here! ....almost. Phew! Thank dog for the back-up Tumblr!

Anyway, it certainly looks interesting and I like the motion and mood of the opening. I'm expecting this one to be less light-hearted than QC.. not that QC is a comedy as such, but I mean this one seems like it'll be a straighter story. I recall Jeph saying it is not based within the QCverse, and will not be populated with service AI wind turbines.

I must say that I'm not sure I have the patience for twice-weekly updates, as even Iverly's thrice-weekly zombie mogg feels slow compared with QC! I hope that the slower updates allows for beautiful art on every giant panel.. plus of course the continuance of the QCverse meanwhile! I guess it'll also give Jeph space to be sure about the direction each story arc takes. There would be some pressure upon him to produce quality work and story now that he has the QC fame and following.

P.S. Mysterious Mystery Marathon Man is cute.
P.P.S. Alice Grove to me has a lat/long position, not a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Sep 2014, 02:50
I just remembered this, which more or less disproves my idea:

I'm one of JJ's patreon-patrons, and as far as I recall it will be called "Alice in Sunderland" who is an electrician. (Unless I dreamed this -- going back I can't find the reference.)
I believe the name had to change because it was taken.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: VeraLapsa on 25 Sep 2014, 02:58
This is a great day Claire and Marten might XOXO and new comic, which is especially cool because how often do you experience a premiere of an online comic, and I just bought tickets to fly out to San Francisco.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 25 Sep 2014, 04:48
Why can't it be both? Alice Grove is a place... named after a woman named Alice Grove.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Throg on 25 Sep 2014, 05:05
Boy the new host sucks. OTOH that shows how much of an audience JJ has when his new comic gets DDOS'd almost immediately.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Sep 2014, 05:15
I very much doubt that's the problem.  Who would DoS a new comic in which nothing has happened?  In any case, it's likely that the new comic has been given the same anti-DoS protection as QC (using the free version of CloudFare).  I suspect a simple misconfiguration that will be sorted when Jeph or his server admin enters daylight.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 25 Sep 2014, 05:19
I don't think Throg meant that it was a deliberate DDOS attack. It's just that the flood of people visiting the new site resembled a DDOS attack. Sort of like what happens whenever George Takei posts a link on Facebook - more than one server has crashed under the resulting load.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 25 Sep 2014, 05:40
But the server is responding promptly to say that it doesn't understand the request.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Welu on 25 Sep 2014, 06:06
I am excited about this!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Schwungrad on 25 Sep 2014, 09:26
Am I the first one to notice that his eyes went from brown to blue (I hope I am reading this in the correct order) between the two posts?

A term for "DoS by being linked from a popular site" would be "slashdotted".
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Sep 2014, 09:36
Why can't it be both? Alice Grove is a place... named after a woman named Alice Grove.
Or maybe the other way around.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 25 Sep 2014, 14:55
The downside of popularity


We crashed his new Comic  :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 25 Sep 2014, 18:15
No kidding. Checking the site itself routes to Tumblr's Not Found page. Really a shame, because I'd like to see the site design.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 25 Sep 2014, 21:11
Site appears to be up now.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Sep 2014, 21:21
I wanna know why he laughs while he runs.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Detachable Felix on 25 Sep 2014, 21:36
Site appears to be up now.
Still down for me. AUGH THIS IS FRUSTRATING. :psyduck: :psyduck:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 25 Sep 2014, 22:57
Same here, I'm getting a Server Not Found ATM
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: hedgie on 25 Sep 2014, 23:27
Rather funny, since they're Tumblr is on the back-end for both.  Maybe the server of the main site is getting /.ed harder.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ChaoSera on 26 Sep 2014, 00:58
I wanna know why he laughs while he runs.
He's not laughing, he's panting.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Sep 2014, 01:14
PFFFFFT DIFFICULT SECOND ALBUM THIS IS COMPLETE SHIT FUCK THAT JEPH HAS LOST IT

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Someone on the Tumblr posted something along the lines of 'so Jeph is this one going to dominate my life every single day for six years like QC???' or something, and that amused the shit out of me because I've been reading this comic for like over a decade.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Case on 26 Sep 2014, 05:49
Site appears to be up now.
Still down for me. AUGH THIS IS FRUSTRATING. :psyduck: :psyduck:

Ahem!

Why not view it in Google cache (https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=www.alicegrove.com&gws_rd=ssl#pws=0&q=www.alicegrove.com) then?
(The small green triangle under the first and third link, respectively ...)

Sincerely yours,
DadSmartass

P.S.: MuttergrumblmutterDigitalnatives!grumble ... Sorry for the snark - I just learned that being a grown man capable of building his Desktop PC (!) himself means I'm old.
P.P.S.: Workaround from the Dark Ages (<2003) of the Interwebbertubes: For 99% of the stuff you want to look up, there's at least one virtually un-DOSable serverfarm that "hosts" it. And yes, there was a time when that was usefull knowledge. Like manual long division, e.g.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HiFranc on 26 Sep 2014, 08:37
I take it that it's Alice who's sitting on the turbine?  What's she doing up there?  How's she going to get down?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 26 Sep 2014, 15:02
Probably the same way she got up there.

And I'm getting 'Server Not Found' on both links now.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Masterpiece on 26 Sep 2014, 15:51
^ same.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 27 Sep 2014, 00:14
PFFFFFT DIFFICULT SECOND ALBUM THIS IS COMPLETE SHIT FUCK THAT JEPH HAS LOST IT
[...]
I fucking giggled.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Masterpiece on 27 Sep 2014, 02:33
Get a room you two! :P
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 27 Sep 2014, 10:19
We did once. But it was too crowded.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Orkboy on 27 Sep 2014, 10:46
It's off to an intriguing start.  I have to know what's going on, and why that dude's eyes changed color. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 27 Sep 2014, 19:19
His eyes did what, now? *checks* Well, I'll be. From brown eyes to blue.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 27 Sep 2014, 19:27
Finally able to Bookmark it now it's back up.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 28 Sep 2014, 00:24
We did once. But it was too crowded.
Four people is hardly crowded in my books :D Besides, I am sure if you had asked nicely, you could've'd that king-sized bed all to yourselves.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 28 Sep 2014, 02:39
Yeah. Right.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Sep 2014, 05:23
His eyes did what, now? *checks* Well, I'll be. From brown eyes to blue.
"Don't it make my brown eyes bluuuuuueeeee...."

 :claireface:

(Okay, maybe it'd be better if you imagined someone with long dark hair singing that...)
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HiFranc on 28 Sep 2014, 05:29
Like this?

Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Sep 2014, 06:50
Good job! :D
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Sep 2014, 06:59
We did once. But it was too crowded.
Four people is hardly crowded in my books :D Besides, I am sure if you had asked nicely, you could've'd that king-sized bed all to yourselves.

I doubt either one of you wanted to go anywhere near it, gents.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aimless on 28 Sep 2014, 09:44
Pretty sure it's an anagram for Lager Voice, or possibly Vice Galore
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 28 Sep 2014, 12:12
Or Alice Grove.

Reminds me of a joke:

What's an anagram of Banach-Tarski?

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Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Orkboy on 28 Sep 2014, 16:36
Oh, wait, I know why his eyes turned blue. The white walkers got him.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Sep 2014, 16:57
Winter is coming.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Storel on 28 Sep 2014, 18:02
Oh, wait, I know why his eyes turned blue. The white walkers got him.

Either that, or he's been eating the Spice.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Orkboy on 28 Sep 2014, 19:57
Can it be both? Let's say it's both.  A Herbert-Martin crossover would awesome.  Or terrible.  Or both.  Let's go with both again.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 28 Sep 2014, 21:52
Pretty sure it's an anagram for Lager Voice, or possibly Vice Galore

I Love Grace
Eevil Cargo
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 29 Sep 2014, 03:38
Oh, wait, I know why his eyes turned blue. The white walkers got him.

Either that, or he's been eating the Spice.
Bilal-kaifa.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 29 Sep 2014, 14:08
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Sep 2014, 18:07
Totally random thought: It would be interesting if this entire comic were told without words. That'd take some serious visual/storytelling chops, but the ambiguity would leave all sorts of narrative possibilities open. I doubt if that's where this is going, but it would be neat.

Other totally random thought: I only ever knew "Fear is the Mind Killer" as a Fear Factory song. I really need to watch the rest of that movie one of these days...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 29 Sep 2014, 18:44
No no no. Read the book. The book!

So now we have an explanation for what the young lady was doing on top of the wind generator. Still don't know what Change-Eyes is up to, though.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Sep 2014, 19:38
No no no. Read the book. The book!

So now we have an explanation for what the young lady was doing on top of the wind generator. Still don't know what Change-Eyes is up to, though.

Okay, okay. The book. I'll put it on the to-read list, behind "The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay," which I just started, and the other book I picked up with it.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Cajun on 29 Sep 2014, 21:25
His eyes went from brown to blue and her hair went from red to yellow. Strange things are afoot in the Grove.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 29 Sep 2014, 22:36
Well, someone has to maintain them






The Wind Turbine you filthy minded people you!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Carl-E on 29 Sep 2014, 23:42
We have a wind turbine plant nearby.  When I was commuting, I frequently wound up behind parts of them on the highway. 

I mention this because these things are fucking huge!!  The exit ramp from the highway to get to the windfarm had to be widened to get these trailers around the bend...

(http://members.efn.org/~jschaad/BladeOnTruck-1030_1897.jpg)

When you go up to service one of these, you go up an elevator through the base, ending with a climb up a steep ladder-like stairwell through the base pivot into the generator housing.  Maintenance is done from the inside; no one is on top of these things, they're over 300 feet (about 100 meters) tall!  The only time someone's on the outside is during construction. 

(http://twinkle_toes_engineering.home.comcast.net/~twinkle_toes_engineering/wind_turbine_nacelle_truck2.jpg)

(http://www.nrel.gov/news/features/images/20110429_wind_pix18890_large.jpg)

(http://www.power-eng.com/content/pe/en/articles/2013/january/ge-introduces-wind-turbine-for-low-wind-speeds/_jcr_content/leftcolumn/article/thumbnailimage.img.jpg)

(http://www.mywindpowersystem.com/usedwindturbines/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/GE-1_5-Wind-Turbine.jpg)

Not trying to bitch, but... well, it just bothered me...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Sep 2014, 00:18
Maybe she's constructing it.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 30 Sep 2014, 02:16
Okay, Carl's post made me realize there is something I hadn't mentioned, because I had subconsciously assumed everyone thought the same as me.

Does anyone else feel like the world is slightly... I dunno... supernatural? It feels a bit like a dream sequence, with the unimportant parts filed off. It reminds me of xkcd's "Time" (a movie I yet have to watch, by the way). The title of the comic seems to reinforce that - Alice Grove sounds like a "special" place, akin to "World of Amelie" or "Sophie's World".

Such a world need not necessarily operate on the same principles as ours.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 30 Sep 2014, 02:39
For me it's more that it's pared down, simplified if you like.  But we don't yet see what else there is in this world which in time we will assume as a background for what we see in-frame.

Jeph is starting it very differently from the start of QC.  Whereas QC began as (and largely remains) a gag-a-day comic, here we have three initial strips which are entirely scene-setting in preparation for whatever interaction will shortly occur.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: KOK on 30 Sep 2014, 03:43
Wind turbines come in many different sizes.

Edit: Here is a photo of the Viking fortress Trelleborg. Also visible in the picture is a farm that was until recently owned by relatives of mine. The wind turbine you see looks much like the one in the comic, but it is smaller. There is certainly no room for an elevator inside. I have never seen it serviced, but my guess is that the technician would stand on a lift.

 https://www.mynewsdesk.com/dk/nationalmuseet/images/luftfoto-af-trelleborg-261921
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 30 Sep 2014, 03:51
Some are growers and some are showers. however, size does not matter. Also, I'm not in RELATE, am I?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Plasma_Wolf on 01 Oct 2014, 01:05
One annoying thing I noticed is that the page numbering is the wrong way. Every time a new page is added, the number of the previous pages increases by one. Now the first page has number 3, soon it will have number 4.

It's weird.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: KOK on 01 Oct 2014, 01:54
The URL's end in /3 for the first, /2 for the second and nothing for the first. So it seems that the pages are counted from the latest and backwards.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 01 Oct 2014, 02:08
I'm a little surprised that Jeph used Tumblr as the host rather than adapting his own well-established code used for QC.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Oct 2014, 03:42
Technically, those aren't the URLs for the comics themselves, they're the URLs for the pages, and he's got it set to 1 post per page.

The permalinks start with http://www.alicegrove.com/post/98389994494 for the first post.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 01 Oct 2014, 04:49
I have to say that I really like the style of this comic very much. The art, the layout with the lovely big background panels (especially since these are outside and have a different perspective from the usual QC middle close-up shots), the set-up of the action without words... The only downside is that due to it only updating twice a week, it will take ages for the story to advance (yes, I am impatient).

I know that this layout with very little action is precisely what I complained about with regard to QC (when it came up in QC), and I stand by this: QC is a gag-heavy story with lots of talk and characters where it is extremely annoying to have little action in one comic, but with Alice Grove (do we abbreviate it to AG yet?) I find it fits. It really seems to be a very different comic to QC.

Loki: Yeah, I also get this slightly otherworldly feeling, although so far it really could just be set in our universe.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 01 Oct 2014, 09:21
I'm probably dating the hell outta myself, but I see the title of this comic and this goes through my head on repeat.

Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Oct 2014, 20:24
 Well, it had a good run.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Oct 2014, 20:25
:(
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 02 Oct 2014, 20:27
The rest of the comic is a flashback as Alice sees her entire life flash before her eyes as she falls to her demise.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Oct 2014, 20:34
And just before she hits the ground she wakes up and it turns out she's Pizza Girl.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: stephber on 02 Oct 2014, 20:37
Oh, snap! This is getting interesting very quickly.... and his eyes are brown again.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HiFranc on 02 Oct 2014, 23:03
My first thought was: Shouldn't she be using 2 ropes to avoid disaster if one breaks?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 02 Oct 2014, 23:04
Now we get proof for my "otherwordly" theory. I hope o.O
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jmucchiello on 02 Oct 2014, 23:28
"And that's why it's called Alice Grove. Her death affected people all around this here grove."
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: KOK on 02 Oct 2014, 23:42
Oh, snap!

Exactly.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 02 Oct 2014, 23:51
Killing Alice in strip #4 is a recipe for a very short-lived comic. Some other thoughts:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 03 Oct 2014, 00:36
... and the award for shortest web comic ever goes to ...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Oct 2014, 00:39
Prediction: This is a nightmare sequence. The woman died, the man has nightmares in which he tries to save her and fails.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 03 Oct 2014, 00:43
Today's comic is already pulling hard at my suspension of disbelief - this is just not how climbing/ abseiling accidents happen. Unless you're a complete idiot and really careless (and I don't like to think that of Alice, who I think does this professionally as well, because amateurs usually don't climb turbines) you will check your rope for structural weaknesses and, especially if you're a professional, regularly exchange it for a new one even if no tears or frailties can be seen. Since one is today able to produce extremely reliable ropes, this makes today's scenario in the comic very unlikely - unless it is a special feature of the Alice Grove universe that they can't produce structurally sound ropes.
The climbing accidents that do happen are mostly due to people doing their knots wrong, forgetting to tie themselves in properly due to being distracted (!) or not being able to use their abseiling equipment correctly, not to speak of them falling on rocks/ against the wall, avalanches and the like, which can't happen when climbing a turbine.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: stephber on 03 Oct 2014, 00:49
Do we know that she's really Alice? We haven't had a proper introduction yet... 

::mind blown::
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 03 Oct 2014, 00:56
Prediction: This is a nightmare sequence. The woman died, the man has nightmares in which he tries to save her and fails.
Intriguing theory. I could really see this to be the case.

Although in this one, he sort of causes the accident - if he hadn't arrived flailing his arms widely at her, she just would have stayed on the turbine, and maybe would have come down later in a less hasty fashion, which maybe would have avoided the accident.

stephber: Yeah, maybe the girl isn't Alice. Doesn't really change anything for me, although I guess it would feel like a letdown to lose the naming character so early in the comic and less so if she was only a side character - I kknow this is mean and irrational.
Edit: I actually don't think this accident will be fatal. And I still think it is in fact Alice.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 03 Oct 2014, 01:20
Edit: I actually don't think this accident will be fatal. And I still think it is in fact Alice.
If this accident is not fatal, it will be a miracle indeed, assuming it takes place in a universe with the same physical laws as ours. Unless it is a place with significant lower gravity, such as a small planet or a space habitat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder). But the blue sky suggests it is happening on Earth. Besides, a space habitat (or a pressurized dome on a small planet) would not have much wind, so a wind turbine would be useless.

I also think this is Alice. This may be how it ends. The rest of the story is just flashbacks from the man down below's point of view.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: KOK on 03 Oct 2014, 01:33
There is nothing unusual in ropes breaking or other such unlikely mishaps in fiction. That is artistic license. (Of course now it will prove to be an assasination attempt, and I will have made a fool of myself.)

She falls from the same hight as the lowest point of the circle made by the wingtips. That is not that far up. Could be fatal, but not inevitably so.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Oct 2014, 01:40
Maybe it was sabotage. I am waiting for Changing Eyes to show his superpowers and save her.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 03 Oct 2014, 04:02
There is nothing unusual in ropes breaking or other such unlikely mishaps in fiction. That is artistic license. (Of course now it will prove to be an assasination attempt, and I will have made a fool of myself.)

She falls from the same hight as the lowest point of the circle made by the wingtips. That is not that far up. Could be fatal, but not inevitably so.
I would go for assasination attempt/rope sabotage. If the proper safety procedures are followed, this just shall not happen.

As to the height: Difficult to judge from the perspective in strip #2, but I would guess she falls from approx 30m / 100ft height. Inevitably fatal.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 03 Oct 2014, 04:21
Don't you know how cartoon physics works? A fall from extreme height will cause no injuries whatsoever as long as somebody catches you at the bottom. Because only the ground can cause rapid, fatal deceleration.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Oct 2014, 04:30
Lands in a bush; problem solved.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 03 Oct 2014, 04:50
Don't you know how cartoon physics works? A fall from extreme height will cause no injuries whatsoever as long as somebody catches you at the bottom. Because only the ground can cause rapid, fatal deceleration.
Well, Wile E. Coyote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_The_Road_Runner) certainly has had his share of stony ground crashes from high altitude, without being killed so far. And neither the Road Runner nor anybody else has been there to catch him before the crash.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Oct 2014, 05:33
Lands in a bush; problem solved.

The nearest bush, relative to the tower, is pretty far away.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 03 Oct 2014, 09:54
Maybe it was sabotage. I am waiting for Changing Eyes to show his superpowers and save her.
Huh, an assassination attempt or sabotage hadn't occurred to me, but it seems indeed to be a likely explanation. Although I still think one should examine the rope before using it, if it is indeed attached at the top of the turbine and rolls up automatically while climbing and then again automatically abseils the climber, that's hard to do.

If this accident is not fatal, it will be a miracle indeed, assuming it takes place in a universe with the same physical laws as ours.
I know it looks like it will be fatal, but that would be such a sad option from a story-telling perspective. I just have the feeling that if the girl is Alice, she will not die right at the start. I certainly wish she doesn't die; I'm so set on her being the main character.
Maybe my feeling is wrong and she does die. But I would be sad to just see everything in retrospective or her not being in the comic -- although admittedly it can be a very gripping story-telling trick.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Saabstory88 on 03 Oct 2014, 10:00
She could still be the main character even if she is dead, depending on how supernatural Jeph wants to make this.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Orkboy on 03 Oct 2014, 10:26
She could still be the main character even if she is dead, depending on how supernatural Jeph wants to make this.
That.... is an EXCELLENT point.  Can we have a comic with both her ghost and her zombified corpse as characters?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 03 Oct 2014, 12:51
This will not end well

At the very least she'll wind up in a Wheelchair.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Oct 2014, 13:03
I doubt she'll die. Per a post on page one, Alice is an electrician. An electrician might (maybe) work on turbines, so maybe that's Alice. If she dies then she *was* an electrician, not *is*.

That said, maybe the grove is named in memorial of her.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aziraphale on 03 Oct 2014, 15:49
A Soviet-era fighter pilot ejected from his plane at insanely high altitude -- over 10,000 feet-- and survived. It's possible to fall from tremendous heights and live. It just depends on how you land, and on what. What kind of shape she'd be in, assuming she lived, would be something else altogether.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Cajun on 03 Oct 2014, 16:00
Wile E. Coyote  certainly has had his share of stony ground crashes from high altitude, without being killed so far. And neither the Road Runner nor anybody else has been there to catch him before the crash.
ACME FallBoy, guaranteed* to catch your corpse you if placed near the area of impact.
ACME FallBoy: He'll take the fall for you!

*Warning: ACME FallBoy is scared of lemurs, goldfish, koalas, pianos and most objects that do not appear kitten-shaped. If it catches a non-kitten object, ACME FallBoy is subject to explode.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 03 Oct 2014, 16:34
A Soviet-era fighter pilot ejected from his plane at insanely high altitude -- over 10,000 feet-- and survived. It's possible to fall from tremendous heights and live. It just depends on how you land, and on what. What kind of shape she'd be in, assuming she lived, would be something else altogether.
I believe due to the way terminal velocity works, after a certain point it doesn't make that much difference how high you are.

Of course, I don't know if 10k feet is after that point.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Oct 2014, 21:20
It is (I used to skydive).

"Go, evil race!" is another anagram.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 04 Oct 2014, 06:04
It is (I used to skydive).

"Go, evil race!" is another anagram.
Car Ego Evil
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Oct 2014, 06:23
"Go, evil race!" is another anagram.
I prefer "Go race evil!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 04 Oct 2014, 06:27
I like "evil ego car". I've seen a few evil ego cars on the road.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Oct 2014, 06:33
Go race evil in your evil ego car!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Oct 2014, 09:08
Maybe the comic will indeed be her life flashing before her eyes. Given her mechanical career, we could pretend that the comic was originally titled "Relive a cog" but the letters arrived out of order on the server.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aziraphale on 04 Oct 2014, 10:05
I like "evil ego car". I've seen a few evil ego cars on the road.

I thought Willis beat Jeph to the Evil Ego Car.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: nosaJay19 on 04 Oct 2014, 14:25
A Soviet-era fighter pilot ejected from his plane at insanely high altitude -- over 10,000 feet-- and survived. It's possible to fall from tremendous heights and live. It just depends on how you land, and on what. What kind of shape she'd be in, assuming she lived, would be something else altogether.

When falling from extreme heights, I think passing out and going limp is a big factor in surviving. Stay conscious and you'll go rigid, and that doesn't end well.

Also, to add to the conversation about her scaling the turbine, I believe that turbines have winches to let maintenance workers down by rope in cases of emergency. The other character is running with a purpose in clothes not fit for running, and then gives the universal symbol for help. This could be an emergency situation, which makes the potential outcome of this accident even more tragic. Oof.  :-(
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Oct 2014, 15:58
Cheating on anagrams (http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=Alice+Grove&t=1000&a=n)

I like "Ace love rig" and "Veil or cage".
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Oct 2014, 15:59
I wish Jeph did the "Patrons get the next strip early" every time, I wanna know what happens!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HiFranc on 05 Oct 2014, 02:46
[...]

I believe due to the way terminal velocity works, after a certain point it doesn't make that much difference how high you are.

Of course, I don't know if 10k feet is after that point.

Gravity is approx 9.8 m/s2 (i.e. your speed increases at 9.8 m/s every second if you ignore wind resistance)

Wind resistance is proportional to the square of the velocity

You reach terminal velocity when the wind resistance balances the force of gravity

The terminal velocity of a person depends on their orientation.  If their body is parallel to the ground they present the greatest surface area and, therefore, the lowest terminal velocity.  I've heard it said on TV programmes the a sky diver has a terminal velocity of appox 120 mph.  A quick check on-line (http://www.metric-conversions.org/speed/miles-per-hour-to-meters-per-second.htm) shows that that's appox 54 m/s (you can call it 55 if it makes the maths easier).

In a vacuum, it'd take approx 5.5-6 seconds to reach that velocity.  With wind resistance, it'll take longer as the acceleration gets less with time.  However, as wind resistance is proportional to the square of the velocty, the acceleration will be almost normal until later.  Therefore, it won't take that much longer to reach terminal velocity.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Masterpiece on 05 Oct 2014, 04:19
There's no wind resistance in a vacuum...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HiFranc on 05 Oct 2014, 04:34
I never said there was.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Oct 2014, 14:19
Acceleration to terminal velocity is a "decaying" (negative-powered) exponential.  You will approach terminal velocity fairly quickly at first, close to the linear velocity increase in a vacuum; the increase in velocity slows as you approach the terminal velocity.  It's actually a limit.  However, it will take more than one or two hundred feet to get close. 

Nevertheless, she'll be traveling at a good clip when she hits... if she hits.  I don't see much of an alternative, though. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 05 Oct 2014, 15:26
Well, flying is easy - you just have to forget to hit the ground.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Oct 2014, 16:11
I thought it was the art of "missing the ground".
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 16:22
Yeah well, but the best way to miss the ground is being distracted while falling, so that you're so perplexed you just forget about hitting the ground.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ysth on 05 Oct 2014, 17:42
From the looks on their faces, both of them realize the gravity of the situation.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Oct 2014, 17:48
C'mon, this is the wrong comic for Claireable puns. :claireface:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Oct 2014, 19:37
She should quickly move to Australia, where it isn't fall.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 19:40
She should quickly move to Australia, where it isn't fall.
(http://ptrace.fefe.de/fpalm30c3.jpg)

I'd like to note that I'm in that picture. In the loge (on the left half), so I can't even spot myself, but well, at least I'm in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 19:55
Lol at the dude in the lower left whose hand is on his forehead, leaving his entire face unpalmed.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 20:00
Well, that is a not too uncommon way to facepalm over here. Well. Foreheadpalm.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 20:10
The concept of foreheadpalm makes me facepalm.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2014, 22:28
Pisswhiskers!!!!

Now it ain't loading.  Just sits there hanging.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Oct 2014, 08:17
Well, if it's just hanging, at least she's no falling...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 08:40
I foreheadpalm often because otherwise I'd get my glasses dirty, or have to remove them.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 12:53
You can facepalm with glasses, trust me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Arkantos on 06 Oct 2014, 14:30
 I find removing my glasses to facepalm adds additional weight to the facepalm.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 15:22
Oh, and I've been known to remove my glasses and then proceed to do a double facepalm for epic levels of facepalm. But, if it's a minor facepalm, I'll foreheadpalm instead.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Oct 2014, 20:48
Since my hairline has receded almost to my collar, I find a top of the scalp palm that then slides down over the face very effective. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 23:17
She should quickly move to Australia, where it isn't fall.
(http://ptrace.fefe.de/fpalm30c3.jpg)

I'd like to note that I'm in that picture. In the loge (on the left half), so I can't even spot myself, but well, at least I'm in there somewhere.

Okay, I have to ask: was this an attempt at setting the world's record for the largest simultaneous facepalm? Or just an extra-terrible presentation?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BeoPuppy on 07 Oct 2014, 01:26
*like*
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 07 Oct 2014, 04:03
Alice has been hanging there for a long time now. Does anybody know when the next strip can be expected?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 04:19
More hovering than hanging at this point. Also I just noticed one guy in the front not facepalming...but blurred out?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: stephber on 07 Oct 2014, 08:57
She's ALIVE. With no broken bones. And she can fly???? Now who's the one with magical powers now?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: stephber on 07 Oct 2014, 08:59
(BTW... new comic's up... REFRESH!!)
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 09:30
"My name is Alice Grove and that was attempt... God, I've lost count."

Heroes reference, just in case anyone didn't get it.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mlle Germain on 07 Oct 2014, 10:07
So my feeling was right: She didn't die. Still, the whole thing is something of a stretch. Of course, I'm still anxious to see how it develops.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Oct 2014, 10:16
She's part cat. Always lands on her feet, more or less.

And wow, actual dialogue!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Oct 2014, 10:17
You were supposed to catch her guy. You aren't going to win the superheroine, ninja and/or robot girl by wincing.

Actually, you probably shouldn't catch robots, they're heavy.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 10:24
He had my interest, but now he has my attention.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: K1dmor on 07 Oct 2014, 11:25
 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: AliceGroove on 07 Oct 2014, 11:38
If BlondeEngineer is a Robot/AI/Android... I'm curious to know if this is indeed the same 'World' as QC... and if there'll be any crossover plotlines/characters.

That said, the significant physical drama and absence of extensive dialogue (Four words in fifteen panels!!) leads me to believe we're not in Kansas... er... Northampton anymore.

Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 07 Oct 2014, 12:00
We probably also not in Kansas.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 07 Oct 2014, 13:09
We probably also not in Kansas.
Could be Kansas in another universe. Either the physical laws are different (cartoon physics?), or Alice is not human. But even if she is a milspec grade robot, that impact would cause damage.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Oct 2014, 13:52
I very much hope that the two comics don't cross over, simply because a crossover would potentially lead to canon confusion and also could dilute the feel of one or the other comic (at the moment, they feel quite different).
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 14:10
It's weird, but just in the few panels I've seen, I get a more 'early thirties professional' than a 'mid-twenties college town' feel from the characters.

Could be 'cause one of 'em is apparently playing engineer on a wind turbine, duh.  :roll:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 14:11
I think she's human (or at least humanoid), but has some degree of invulnerability.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 14:30
I think she's human (or at least humanoid), but has some degree of invulnerability.

However she did it, she's trying to hide it, given her 'fell not flew' statement. From that, I'm assuming that her 'fall' looked unnatural in someway to that guy. Anti-gravity coils, maybe? Hanners' robot sister/backup?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2014, 14:36
She's a Cyborg!!!!!

Either that. or there's a Sayan in her bloodline somewhere  :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 14:38
I think she's human (or at least humanoid), but has some degree of invulnerability.

However she did it, she's trying to hide it, given her 'fell not flew' statement. From that, I'm assuming that her 'fall' looked unnatural in someway to that guy. Anti-gravity coils, maybe? Hanners' robot sister/backup?
Why do you think she's trying to hide anything? If she can't fly, but is invulnerable (or at least considerably more durable than most), she's telling the truth.

Either that. or there's a Saiyan in her bloodline somewhere  :-D
Or a Kryptonian :roll: (Superman wasn't always able to fly)
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 14:46
Because the guy specifically stated 'fly'. He didn't say 'invulnerable' but 'fly'. That suggested that the alleged fall looked wrong somehow.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 07 Oct 2014, 14:50
Either that. or there's a Saiyan in her bloodline somewhere  :-D
Or a Kryptonian :roll: (Superman wasn't always able to fly)

Not even always on Earth - that's where "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" came from.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2014, 15:07
Yup

Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Oct 2014, 15:33
If she can fly, that would explain how she got up on top of the wind generator in the first place.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 15:40
Either that. or there's a Saiyan in her bloodline somewhere  :-D
Or a Kryptonian :roll: (Superman wasn't always able to fly)

Not even always on Earth - that's where "Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" came from.
Right, that's what I was referring to.
Because the guy specifically stated 'fly'. He didn't say 'invulnerable' but 'fly'. That suggested that the alleged fall looked wrong somehow.
Right, and if she didn't fly but simply fell, then she wasn't hiding anything. If she knew she would be able to land, then she wouldn't fall like a fragile human would, but would adjust herself while falling to land on her feet. That being said...he wasn't looking while she fell, he was cringing and looking away.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ysth on 07 Oct 2014, 18:25
And the first word is:

WHUD

Unless you count the Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Detachable Felix on 07 Oct 2014, 18:40
.. So that's how this comic is gonna pan out, huh?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 18:41
Time shall tell!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2014, 21:18
At least she didn't need a Doctor.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Saabstory88 on 08 Oct 2014, 00:08
I'm not sure that something supernatural is explicitly stated. If she knew that she was somehow invulnerable, or had the power of flight, why would she be wearing a harness in the first place? If she is of average height, then might we assume that she is falling less than 5 meters? Although we do not see the tree line, we immediately assume that the previous panel shows a perfectly orthographic view of the turbine. She might only be falling from the height of a medium height tree when her tether breaks. You can absolutely be unscathed when falling from those heights.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 02:35
I'm not sure that something supernatural is explicitly stated. If she knew that she was somehow invulnerable, or had the power of flight, why would she be wearing a harness in the first place? If she is of average height, then might we assume that she is falling less than 5 meters? Although we do not see the tree line, we immediately assume that the previous panel shows a perfectly orthographic view of the turbine. She might only be falling from the height of a medium height tree when her tether breaks. You can absolutely be unscathed when falling from those heights.

These are all valid points.

The harness thing can be hand-waved away as being 'keeping her cover'.

Commercial power-generation wind turbines are typically in the 300-foot height range but much smaller units exist and are in use, especially for one-building-only applications and the like. To be honest, that turbine didn't look much more than 10 meters (33 feet) at most. However, even that fall onto loose earth will leave Alice with an interesting selection of bruises and the possibility of long-bone compound fractures. I'd be shocked at her being able to stand up so quickly instead of just lying there, groaning in pain.

Another angle: Will we see a post-fall freak-out when Alice realises that, yes, she did just fall a considerable distance and isn't even slightly hurt? She wouldn't be the first character in the history of fiction who only learnt that they were special when dire circumstance brought their special talents out of subconscious inhibition.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 08 Oct 2014, 06:06
I estimated the total height to 60 meters, and 30 meters from where the rope snapped, based on Alice's size compared to the turbine. Admittedly, the perspective makes this calculation imprecise, but it is a typical medium size wind turbine. Something supernatural is going on, or it might just be Arthur C. Clarke's 3rd law kicking in:
Quote
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
If so, we might expect a very high-tech, futuristic setting for the comic. But QC is also in the same setting, so what is the difference? Perhaps Jeph just is into futuristic high-tech?

EDIT: Also, the two people we have seen so far, appear to be in their thirties. We might expect them to be married (not necessarily to each other), and with children. They are probably maintenance workers on the wind turbine, or perhaps saboteurs that (for some reason) do not like wind turbines. Typically, wind turbines are positioned on top of hills, distant from any habitation. I would guess they have a car somewhere, but why did they not drive all the way up to the turbine?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 07:25
Okay - Scenario Building.

Alice and the as-yet-unnamed guy are power workers who were engaged in maintenance on one of the turbines. Their van/pick-up is parked out-of-sight (these sites can be huge and there might be a maintenance building somewhere where they left the vehicle before walking over to the turbine needing work). Alice's companion went into the woods to look for something - maybe a maintenance cover that either blew off in a storm (it happens) or was blown off by debris coming out when the turbine overheated and seized up due to extremely high revs (also happens). He comes back just in time to see Alice's harness cable snap.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 08 Oct 2014, 11:58
*Sings*

I believe I can fly
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Fig on 08 Oct 2014, 12:01
Maybe this is taking place in the Matrix and there was no windmill. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 08 Oct 2014, 12:26
Maybe this is taking place in the Matrix and there was no windmill. 

Woah!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Oct 2014, 13:02
Also, the two people we have seen so far, appear to be in their thirties.
I honestly have no idea how you can determine their age from this art style. Not a complaint, but you seem certain about this and I'm wondering how.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ysth on 08 Oct 2014, 14:49
He comes back just in time to see Alice's harness cable snap.

Why running as fast as he can?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Oct 2014, 15:08
He wants to catch her before she leaves in order to propose to her.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Oct 2014, 15:49
She might say yes, we've already seen that she's fallen for him :claireface:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 08 Oct 2014, 15:59
She might say yes, we've already seen that she's fallen for him :claireface:

(http://i.imgur.com/3oV3qRN.png)
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 08 Oct 2014, 21:13
Also, the two people we have seen so far, appear to be in their thirties.
I honestly have no idea how you can determine their age from this art style. Not a complaint, but you seem certain about this and I'm wondering how.
Just a feeling. Something about their eyes, I guess.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Orkboy on 08 Oct 2014, 21:21
Mooski, I approve of Disapproving Jimbo. 

Also, she landed like a superhero, with the fist on the ground thing.  Ergo, she is probably a superhero.  Or super human, if she has yet to start fighting crime. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 08 Oct 2014, 21:25
Kara Zor-El?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 23:33
He comes back just in time to see Alice's harness cable snap.

Why running as fast as he can?

It's pretty clear that something has happened or he has found something that she needs to come and see now, not later. Hence her descent.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: KOK on 09 Oct 2014, 03:39
Maybe this is taking place in the Matrix and there was no windmill.

Not so strange that she fell, then.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 09 Oct 2014, 05:18
Quote
Mooski, I approve of Disapproving Jimbo.

Seemed appropriate.

Also, as long as we're in pure speculation land, the use of the sound effect WHUD suggests (to me, anyway) something that is very hard hitting something else that is very hard.  She may have almost flown, but she's made of sterner stuff than your average human.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Thrudd on 09 Oct 2014, 10:34
WHUD is an appropriate sound for dropping a pork roast or flank steak onto the kitchen counter but then again it would not being going all that fast.
Maybe a WHUMP is a bit more meaty sound?

What would be the correct  onomatopoeia [pl] for a 68kg bag of mostly water hitting various solid and semi solid surfaces at speed?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: MooskiNet on 09 Oct 2014, 10:39
Yeah, as silly as it sounds, WHUMP more sounds like a human hitting the ground, WHUD sounds like a more solid object. 

I guess I'd have gone with SPLAT, but obviously she didn't go SPLAT.

Dear lord this may be the silliest conversation I've had all day.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Fig on 09 Oct 2014, 10:41
I think more of a WHAP sound.  Kind of like the sound of a belly flop from the high dive but far more intense.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Thrudd on 09 Oct 2014, 10:46
I aim to please but usually hit the funny bone instead
 [either annoy or tickle]

Yeah WHAP is a kind of wet yet dull slap, like a wet towel sound.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rimwolf on 09 Oct 2014, 14:55
I take WHUD to be a portmanteau of WHAM and THUD.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 09 Oct 2014, 14:59
WHUD is an appropriate sound for dropping a pork roast or flank steak onto the kitchen counter but then again it would not being going all that fast.
Maybe a WHUMP is a bit more meaty sound?

What would be the correct  onomatopoeia [pl] for a 68kg bag of mostly water hitting various solid and semi solid surfaces at speed?

Noononononono. Whud is the noise that giant hammer makes.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 09 Oct 2014, 15:01
WHUD is the sound that Superman makes when he lands quickly without pulling up.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 09 Oct 2014, 18:04
It is the sound of an inelastic collision between two rigid bodies.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rghfrgl on 09 Oct 2014, 18:40
For those looking, he put the new comic on HIS tumblr and not the comics tumblr.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Storel on 09 Oct 2014, 19:07
I dunno, so far the whole thing feels like a dream sequence to me. It starts out with him running frantically down a road through a forest, with nothing visibly following him, then he finds a huge wind turbine with a person on top, he waves frantically at the person, she starts to come down by rope but the rope snaps, he looks away, and after he hears the impact he looks up and she's safe and sound on the ground.

Doesn't that sound like a dream/nightmare? You feel like you're being chased by something but you don't know what, you see oddly surreal things, and the laws of physics are defied... Feels like a dream to me, anyway. We'll see.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Schmorgluck on 09 Oct 2014, 19:12
Okay, in light of the new comic, it makes sense that she has unusual abilities.

Now, about that blue fellow, the bets are open: ET, fairy, extradimentional being?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rghfrgl on 09 Oct 2014, 19:17
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Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 10 Oct 2014, 02:58
I'm with Rghfrgl on this one. However, I'm more interested in this:

(click to show/hide)

It definitely explains the 'fly' mis-impression but it doesn't change the fact that it massively increases the chances that she has metahuman abilities of some kind.

[edit - Another thought]
Here's an alternative; it looks like she might be in Latin America somewhere. Maybe she's just a brilliant engineer - you name it, she can build it. That's including really weird Girl Genius-level stuff. So, naturally, the locals assume she's supernatural in some way.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Oct 2014, 08:17
With the comment on flying, when I saw the blue guy, my first thought was Wizard of Oz style flying monkeys.  Then I noticed, no wings. 

So just blue monkey-people, I guess.  Also, I hope it's just sleeping. 

Also, red undies? 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Fig on 10 Oct 2014, 08:47
Definitely a supernatural setting.  Alright, I'm officially interested now.  Also, if there isn't a BAMF! sometime in the future I'll be a little disappointed.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 10 Oct 2014, 10:43
There is - she survived falling from halfway up a wind turbine. :V
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Mafarfloune on 10 Oct 2014, 10:49
It's quite obviously a Na'vi refugee/invader.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 10 Oct 2014, 14:17
Or a native of the planet.

(There's nothing to say that this is actually Earth )
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: FunkyTuba on 10 Oct 2014, 15:07
I'm reserving opinion until we get more info... there's very little to go on.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: kleinnak on 10 Oct 2014, 19:24
Wait... Alice Grove is a witch...? please tell me that's a rhyming reference to Steeleye Span's "Allison Gross," please oh please oh please!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 10 Oct 2014, 21:09
I wonder if she'll marry a Mr. Cooper.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 11 Oct 2014, 01:44
Is your toilet broken, FT?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: reicreature on 11 Oct 2014, 02:49
Aaaand I am officially hooked on the new comic...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 11 Oct 2014, 07:47
This is random but... Maybe a Minecraft story but done in a non-cubed world? You can build wind turbines with some mods, after all...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: TinPenguin on 11 Oct 2014, 09:54
With every new comic, this story makes both more and less sense. I like it.

(also, continuity error: in panel 3, Jack's uncle is to his right, but in panel 4, he is to his left)
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2014, 09:58
To be fair, the continuity's been so wonky already it might be intentional.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 11 Oct 2014, 11:19
I thought the fourth panel was a flashback/a change of scene.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2014, 11:23
It is, but so's the third, and the fourth is right after it. Looking down at the blue guy, the uncle should be on the right, but he's on the left in the fourth panel.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 11 Oct 2014, 13:10
The setting starts to look like some country in Central America. The natives speak English, but perhaps Jeph just translates the dialogue for our benefit. Their reference to "the witch" indicates Alice has performed magic before, and the natives are used to ask her for advice whenever something extraordinary occurs.

The clothes and the wind turbine looks contemporary. But the blue alien and Alice's survival tells us that we are definitely not in Kansas anymore. I would guess that we are in a parallel universe, perhaps a low-tech version of Earth, and Alice has arrived from our world as a kind of foreign aid worker.

The blue boy with the monkey tail might come from another universe, where primate evolution took another route. There might be some kind of vortex facilitating easy crossing between universes at this site. This might also explain why gravity failed to kill Alice.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2014, 13:14
we are definitely not in Kansas anymore
Of course not, we're in Massachusetts :wow:
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HauntingPoem on 12 Oct 2014, 14:03
So does Alice weigh the same as a duck?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Neko_Ali on 12 Oct 2014, 14:14
I don't know. Is she made of wood?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 12 Oct 2014, 14:20
She did fall from some height. Obviously, she got better.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HauntingPoem on 12 Oct 2014, 14:22
I don't know. Is she made of wood?

Possibly, she can probably float!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 12 Oct 2014, 17:25
A post apocalyptic setting wouldn't be a surprise at all.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 12 Oct 2014, 21:42
Continuity wonkiness in this strip... can be explained away if we assume that there's more than just two people looking down at the sleeping blue guy. Also, witch? Things keep getting odder.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 12 Oct 2014, 21:55
We're hooked
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 12 Oct 2014, 23:11
A post apocalyptic setting wouldn't be a surprise at all.

Yop , like the classic novel "Canticle for Leibowitz" with technology equated with magic and even devil-worship.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Loki on 12 Oct 2014, 23:19
I don't know. Is she made of wood?

Possibly, she can probably float!
We have already established she can fly!
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ysth on 12 Oct 2014, 23:27
What would be the correct  onomatopoeia [pl] for a 68kg bag of mostly water hitting various solid and semi solid surfaces at speed?
That would be a question for What If (http://what-if.xkcd.com).

What days/times does Alice update?  I haven't been trying regularly enough to detect the pattern.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Rghfrgl on 12 Oct 2014, 23:39
Tues/thurs(Or mon/wed night), same time as qc.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 13 Oct 2014, 05:54
Well, I wasn't expecting that. So many questions filling my head, and the twice weekly updates mean that it'll be a long time before they're even close to being answered.

After QC's generous week day updates, twice a week is excruciatingly slow...
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: HES on 13 Oct 2014, 12:41
Colour me interested
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Zebediah on 13 Oct 2014, 19:03
Comic's up. Explosions seem unlikely.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Oct 2014, 19:12
Hang on, lemme get my poking stick first.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 13 Oct 2014, 20:05
Is yours Swedish designed?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Kugai on 13 Oct 2014, 22:32
Yelpin' more likely.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 13 Oct 2014, 23:30
BLUE: "It's a good thing that you didn't poke me with a stick! We explode if that happens!"

ALICE: "Oh for crying out loud!!!"

UNCLE: "See? Don't know everything, do you?"
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: SubaruStephen on 13 Oct 2014, 23:56
We need a betting pool (or at least a Poll) as to what Blue Boy is.

Alien?
Mutant?
Cursed by a witch?
Cursed by a old gypsy?
Clumsy kid with birth "defect" who was painting a house?*
Night Crawler cosplayer who got rolled at bar near Comi-con and dumped into a field?

Suggestions?



*defect in parenthesese because I think having a prehensile tail would be cool, provided the rest of Humanity had them too.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Skewbrow on 13 Oct 2014, 23:58
The clothes and the wind turbine looks contemporary. But the blue alien and Alice's survival tells us that we are definitely not in Kansas anymore. I would guess that we are in a parallel universe, perhaps a low-tech version of Earth, and Alice has arrived from our world as a kind of foreign aid worker.

This is close to my guess. May be Alice is a tech-savvy lady from present day Earth who somehow ended up in this place that is either temporally or astronomically distant from us. Alice been giving them help with engineering and stuff. The locals fail to distinguish this from magic and call her a witch.

I'm aware that this does not explain her escaping the nasty fall unscathed. Nor the blue boy with a tail.

JWHouk, All: Will this evolve to a series of Monthly Comic Discussion Threads?
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: NilsO on 14 Oct 2014, 00:01
If you are afraid to touch, use a pokin' stick. Better losing your stick than your hand. Still, I think it is a bad idea in this case. I guess Alice will sort things out, by trying to touch and speak to him. Probably this will wake him up. Now, for the big question: Does the blue boy speak English? If not, perhaps some extraterrestrial language? Or perhaps he is using telepathy? (I am not sure how telepathic speech bubbles should look like.)

This looks like a very rural setting. I guess the nearest coffee shop is very far away.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Oct 2014, 03:51
I don't think we are in a particularly low tech setting here. The wind turbine Alice was working on is decidedly modern day, and the barn and silo in the background of the current comic would be right at home on a farm of our time period. Their clothing looks pretty up to date. Leaving out the turbine, the setting could be anywhere from the 1900s to modern day or slightly beyond. The only things out of place so far is Alice being unharmed from her high dive and a blue kid. Even Alice being refered to as a witch doesn't mean much of anything. There's just so little information to go on yet.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: BenRG on 14 Oct 2014, 04:10
I still wonder if Alice may be a 'visitor'. Like several people have said before, the general feel I've got so far is a relatively primitive/isolated agrarian community into which Alice and high-technology have come. She's perceived as a witch because of her ability to use technology and her understanding of the sciences.

I still wonder if it's something like a de-cubed Minecraft world with the farmers as Testiculates (the native villagers) and Alice is a feminised Steve who is busy building up her resources and tech base prior to an attempt to take down the Ender Dragon and then Galacticraft her way home.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: jwhouk on 14 Oct 2014, 07:05
JWHouk, All: Will this evolve to a series of Monthly Comic Discussion Threads?

I'm thinking yes.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: drewdane on 14 Oct 2014, 08:28
I'm still getting spotty access at best to this.  Looks nice, but desperately needs more bandwidth.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Pilchard123 on 14 Oct 2014, 10:48
Testiculates

Should this be "Testificate"? Testiculate is rather different.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 14 Oct 2014, 14:16
However it's spelled, it's the AI characters with the big noses.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: ysth on 14 Oct 2014, 18:35
This looks like a very rural setting. I guess the nearest coffee shop is very far away.
FWIW, https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4 (https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 14 Oct 2014, 22:49
They use Coffee delivering Drones.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Oct 2014, 04:43
They use coffee-delivering blue elf-monkeys. They carry the cups with their tails.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: HES on 15 Oct 2014, 07:46
The real question is: is that a silo or a space rocket?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Oct 2014, 07:49
Totally a grain silo, metal sided. I grew up around them.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Skewbrow on 15 Oct 2014, 09:14
WHUD is an appropriate sound for dropping a pork roast or flank steak onto the kitchen counter but then again it would not being going all that fast.
Maybe a WHUMP is a bit more meaty sound?

What would be the correct  onomatopoeia [pl] for a 68kg bag of mostly water hitting various solid and semi solid surfaces at speed?

Noononononono. Whud is the noise that giant hammer makes.
Well, the creator is with Pilchard. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2359) At least on this occasion.

Archive binge.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ysth on 15 Oct 2014, 11:51
Totally a grain silo, metal sided. I grew up around them.
No, just something intended to look like a grain silo.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Oct 2014, 12:07
It's actually the farm of Doctor Zharkov. We're going to the moon, Flash!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Oct 2014, 12:37
Grain silo, missile silo - there's a difference?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Oct 2014, 15:34
Missile silos are generally underground, surely?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 15 Oct 2014, 15:42
Right. Which makes an above-ground silo the perfect place to hide a super-secret missile, because nobody would ever suspect a thing.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 15 Oct 2014, 23:23
Right. Which makes an above-ground silo the perfect place to hide a super-secret missile, because nobody would ever suspect a thing.


It worked in the original James Bond novel, Moonraker (which was nothing like the movie).

So, was there supposed to be a new strip today?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Oct 2014, 00:24
I think the days are Tuesday and Friday; or if Thursday, then during the day, not the evening before.  The timing hasn't settled yet.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 16 Oct 2014, 04:22
Also, according to his Twitter Jeph went to bed early last night because he has a bad cold (like everyone else in Massachusetts at the moment, it seems). So he may have just been feeling too crappy to post AG last night. Give him a few hours, I expect we'll see it by this afternoon.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: jwhouk on 16 Oct 2014, 19:23
Mighty excited young lad.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 16 Oct 2014, 19:28
"Touchdown!!  The crowd goes wild!!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Oct 2014, 19:43
Anyone else reminded of this?

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: snarkyone on 16 Oct 2014, 19:46
Anyone else reminded of this?


OMG!!  I thought it was just me.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Oct 2014, 21:00
See? The poking stick worked. You should trust the poking stick.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Carl-E on 16 Oct 2014, 23:13
Last panel, he jumps up, and his right hand is outside he frame...


and nearly lines up with his tail in another frame.  It's kinda disturbing... "that's a weird hand, lad!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: HiFranc on 16 Oct 2014, 23:26
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 16 Oct 2014, 23:34
So, it appears that the Traveller has come! Or possibly a tourist.

I'm thinking that whatever travel means that Blue used was far from a dead cert.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: HiFranc on 17 Oct 2014, 00:21
Well he doesn't look like the Stay Puft Marshmallow man. ;-)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 17 Oct 2014, 03:34
The (blue, tailed) sleeper has awakened!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: J on 17 Oct 2014, 04:06
bit short for a n'avi, ain't he?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 17 Oct 2014, 10:25
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?

I feel like there's way too many possibilities to wonder about that right this second.

1) He might have telepathic abilities that let him pick up languages from native speakers.
2) He may have a purpose in traveling from... wherever... to the current setting and was able to learn the language ahead of time.
3) They could be reacting more to the outburst itself, than what he's actually saying. We may be getting it translated and the other characters will just be staring with their heads tilted as he tries to communicate verbally what his reason for being there is.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: kerky on 17 Oct 2014, 10:33
Is anyone else thinking "young Marten in blue, Steve with a tan and Jimbo with a close shave"?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: HiFranc on 17 Oct 2014, 12:39
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?
[...]

3) They could be reacting more to the outburst itself, than what he's actually saying. We may be getting it translated and the other characters will just be staring with their heads tilted as he tries to communicate verbally what his reason for being there is.

I did think of this option but thought it unlikely as comics usually put "<>" around words said in a foreign language.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Oct 2014, 12:57
He wasn't speaking their language. It just sounded like that.. What he actually said in his own language is "The humans can see me! Begin Operation Annihilation!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 17 Oct 2014, 13:04
No, if that's what he was saying, it would have sounded like "I am Groot."
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Oct 2014, 13:46
But he isn't Groot.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Fig on 17 Oct 2014, 19:56
Yeah, he's way too short and also not brown.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ysth on 18 Oct 2014, 22:41
He wasn't flying, he fell.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Carl-E on 19 Oct 2014, 00:24
I still get a Wizard-of-oz flying monkey vibe off the blue kid. 


.... is Alice a good witch, or a bad witch? 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 19 Oct 2014, 02:45
She's blonde, not green, plus she was fixing a wind turbine, I'm gonna say Good Witch.

Also, Bad Witches don't have people running towards them for help.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Aimless on 19 Oct 2014, 04:35
I have not yet been hooked by this comic, even though I kinda like the artwork so far. I find the contrast between Jack's uncool lines and his otherwise pretty cool appearance distracting. Still, I remain hopeful :) One day this will be an incredible fantasy-scifi comic that'll set the bar for all other webcomics in the genre :o or it'll just be hella fun :)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Loki on 19 Oct 2014, 14:27
No, if that's what he was saying, it would have sounded like "I am Groot."
I misread this as "I am Godot".
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Oct 2014, 14:59
Close, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree there.

And on that note, I'll leaf myself out.  :claireface:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Oct 2014, 15:15
Good Witch
She calls herself that, but she's actually the villain of the story :roll:

(I've been saying this since before that Cracked article, thank you very much)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: mustang6172 on 19 Oct 2014, 21:06
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?

I was more interested in the fact that he has nipples and a belly button.  Is that weird?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 19 Oct 2014, 23:36
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?

I've got the feeling thy this journey was intentional, so being able to communicate is something that Blue probably planned. I also think that this will be the least mystery surrounding him.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 20 Oct 2014, 04:57
Am I the only one who is wondering why he can speak the local language?

I was more interested in the fact that he has nipples and a belly button.  Is that weird?

So he's a mammal. No big deal.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 20 Oct 2014, 07:03
Other things with money tails have nipples and belly buttons. Like say.. Monkeys. :)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Carl-E on 20 Oct 2014, 09:01
Yeah, I was more surprised by the red boxer briefs. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Oct 2014, 18:41
So - Blue Boy is...?

An Alien.    8 (29.6%) <=== The Correct Answer.
A Mutant.    4 (14.8%)
Cursed by a witch.    0 (0%)
Cursed by a old gypsy.    2 (7.4%)
A clumsy kid with birth "defect" who was painting a house.    0 (0%)
A Night Crawler cosplayer who got rolled at bar near Comi-con and dumped into a field    3 (11.1%)
Eddie Munster's long-lost brother    1 (3.7%)
Likely to explode if poked with a stick    4 (14.8%)
Absolutely NO relation to Yelling Bird.    4 (14.8%)
Insert Meme to be named Later Here.    1 (3.7%)

Total Members Voted: 27
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: jwhouk on 20 Oct 2014, 18:43
Ardent Gemini Cardamom Vicissitude XVI.

 :psyduck:

Jack's not a bright boy, is he?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Oct 2014, 19:00
Ardy the alien.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 20 Oct 2014, 19:13
He's from the Na'vi Navy.


And he wants you as a new Recruit
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 20 Oct 2014, 23:16
Heh. Looks like Jack suffers from Terry Pratchett's Dwarfish Literal-Mindedness! So de Aliens is coming; I really wonder what the setting might be and where this is going.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: TinPenguin on 21 Oct 2014, 00:56
Ardent Gemini Cardamom Vicissitude XVI.

 :psyduck:

Now that's a heck of a name.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 21 Oct 2014, 01:27
Regarding the poll, it's difficult to judge so early into the story. However, I'm already getting a 'Marten' vibe from Jack that suggests he is going to be our POV. He's the everyman caught in an extrordinary situation who is just dumb enough that he can also serve as a Watson, the guy who needs in-universe common knowledge explained to him so we get it too.

Alice's body language and style so far... Makes me think of Hermione Granger. Intelligent, skilled but not particularly well socialised. She'll end up offending people just because she doesn't have much in the way of patience and sometimes comes across as a know-it-all.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: NilsO on 21 Oct 2014, 11:16
Alice obviously has skills. The natives regard her as a witch (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic). But the wind turbine indicates she is a Good Witch, her magic is for the benefit of the people.

Jack, btw, looks quite stupid, and it is not just because of lack of education. He is a simple guy with little imagination.

Can we foresee an "opposites attract" situation between Alice and Jack?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: bhtooefr on 21 Oct 2014, 11:30
And, now we have shipping.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 21 Oct 2014, 14:14
*Looks through Periscope*
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 21 Oct 2014, 17:16
And, now we have shipping.

It's s waaaaaaay to soon for that, for all we know, Ardent could still explode, leaving only a charred Alice inside a crater...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Carl-E on 21 Oct 2014, 18:18
She does have a knack for surviving, it seems. 
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: Eternal_Newbie on 22 Oct 2014, 05:18
This looks like a very rural setting. I guess the nearest coffee shop is very far away.
FWIW, https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4 (https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4)
For some reason that map thinks there is a Starbucks at the windfarm in the Thames Estuary. Coincidence?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 22 Oct 2014, 10:20
Wrong sort of beans.
Title: Re: Alice Grove CDT - NEW COMIC!
Post by: SubaruStephen on 22 Oct 2014, 12:11
This looks like a very rural setting. I guess the nearest coffee shop is very far away.
FWIW, https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4 (https://opendata.socrata.com/Business/All-Starbucks-Locations-in-the-World-Heat-Map/nt5z-pju4)

Zoom out on that map to show the whole US and it looks disturbingly similar to CDC projections of certain epidemics...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 22 Oct 2014, 12:23
Randall Monroe said it best:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Skewbrow on 23 Oct 2014, 07:10
I guess I'm the only reader who had to look up the meaning of `vicissitude`. I don't know what, if anything, I should read into that :psyduck: He has the ability to adapt to any surrounding? Including changes to his own anatomy if need be? Some other sci-fi?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: DSL on 23 Oct 2014, 07:20
And there are/have been at least 16 of him.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 23 Oct 2014, 07:30
And there are/have been at least 16 of him.

Yeah, the "XVI" bit could as easily be a clone number as a generational reference.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 23 Oct 2014, 10:04
Yeah, the XVI bit threw me - if you were speaking, you'd say 'the sixteenth,' unless 'XVI' means something specific besides the number sixteen.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 23 Oct 2014, 10:16
Perhaps he's telling them his preferred editor? He likes Emacs, though he's used another one in the past.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Oct 2014, 15:21
Yeah, the XVI bit threw me - if you were speaking, you'd say 'the sixteenth,' unless 'XVI' means something specific besides the number sixteen.
It just means his ancestors didn't feel like thinking of a name.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Mlle Germain on 23 Oct 2014, 15:30
These past three comics, more specifically Ardent and also Jack, strike me as rather silly. We'll see how it goes on.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ysth on 23 Oct 2014, 16:26
I submit that "Ardent Gemini" is a title and his first name is Cardamom.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zwammy on 23 Oct 2014, 22:28
Ardy don't like Alice, no he don't.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 23 Oct 2014, 23:24
Yep, I was right! Alice is a Hermione - Sceptical and rational almost to the point of self-parody!

I'll have to think about the implications of her words. Is she a self-exile from the First World, looking for a 'simple life'? That might explain her defensiveness now the complexity of the universe has caught up with her!

Jack, when asked if you know girls, he's asking if you know them well and they like you in return. Something tells me that this is a much lower number.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: DSL on 24 Oct 2014, 10:01
I submit that "Ardent Gemini" is a title and his first name is Cardamom.

Or he's really, really enthusiastic about having been born between May 21 and June 21.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: FunkyTuba on 24 Oct 2014, 13:41
I haven't seen anything that would exclude this being earth so I'm leaning away from "immigrant planet" as the setting.

This is smelling more and more post-apocalyptic all the time, especially with the "witch" characterization.

Or it could just be way out in the boonies.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 24 Oct 2014, 13:42
'e don't take kindly to bein' called a liar, no 'e don't
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Mlle Germain on 24 Oct 2014, 16:02
This is smelling more and more post-apocalyptic all the time, especially with the "witch" characterization.
Yeah,  I agree! Maybe it is a future where there is still advanced technology, but also very rural areas where people have gone back to a lifestyle with less technology, especially communication technology.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Orkboy on 24 Oct 2014, 16:30
I like how, according to the poll so far, the poking stick is the most popular.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 24 Oct 2014, 17:35
Do not doubt the poking stick.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: DSL on 24 Oct 2014, 17:57
This is smelling more and more post-apocalyptic all the time, especially with the "witch" characterization.
Yeah,  I agree! Maybe it is a future where there is still advanced technology, but also very rural areas where people have gone back to a lifestyle with less technology, especially communication technology.

It's not too difficult to find spots where technological availability or the desire for such varies widely over a small area. Finding a two-hole outhouse and a microwave comm tower within sight of each other, was, until very recently, not all that unusual in my neck of the Northwest Ohio woods.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Oct 2014, 19:31
Wow, Alice, you're really shitty to strangers!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 24 Oct 2014, 23:50
@MoM,

As I've already posted, I'm wondering if Alice is projecting. She's happy in her rural, simple idyll and she doesn't want some scam artist ruining it!

BTW - Whether or not Ardent is really an alien doesn't impact on whether he's a scam artist!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Skewbrow on 25 Oct 2014, 00:22
I submit that "Ardent Gemini" is a title and his first name is Cardamom.

Or he's really, really enthusiastic about having been born between May 21 and June 21.

Or he has a dispassionate twin brother.

Alice may have been careful in only introducing technology that helps the locals get their life necessities. Now she sees Ardent as a dude who would pull out a full range of Futurama gear out of his pockets just for the heck of it - or to impress girls.

The pockets are larger in the inside (like Hermione's tote bag).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 26 Oct 2014, 19:50
I bet Ardent is about to raise hell. Ardently, of course.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Storel on 27 Oct 2014, 13:46
I'm wondering if perhaps Alice is a con artist who doesn't want some other con artist moving in on her con.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Oct 2014, 14:17
A con artist...who's invulnerable?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 27 Oct 2014, 14:44
A con artist...who's invulnerable?

Or a con artist who is able to make herself look invulnerable! :wink:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 27 Oct 2014, 14:46
The best way to appear invulnerable is to actually be invulnerable. All the other ways are too much work.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 27 Oct 2014, 15:56
All the other ways are too much work.

Never mind the odd 'test' you might get every now and then by your friend with the drill.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 27 Oct 2014, 18:06
Yeah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLN3dPMyXeg)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 27 Oct 2014, 18:13
Okay, the bullet to the eye thing - that hurts just thinking about, invulnerable or not.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Oct 2014, 18:52
One of these days, Superman's going to be too cocky and it'll turn out to be a kryptonite bullet.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 27 Oct 2014, 19:14
"Weird dog!"

How does an alien know what a dog is?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 27 Oct 2014, 19:16
"Nouns!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: DSL on 27 Oct 2014, 19:30
So little blue guys aren't in and of themselves all that unusual in whatever locale this is.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: mustang6172 on 27 Oct 2014, 19:39
"Currency!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 27 Oct 2014, 19:50
"Police officer!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Oct 2014, 20:30
That Argent. What a laaaadies man.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Oct 2014, 20:39
"Weird dog!"

How does an alien know what a dog is?
To be fair...he doesn't.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 27 Oct 2014, 22:30
"Jail!"


OK, nice town.  It's Post Apocalyptic Northampton!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Loki on 27 Oct 2014, 23:55
Perhaps he's telling them his preferred editor? He likes Emacs, though he's used another one in the past.
I know I am a couple pages late, but:

*groan*
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 28 Oct 2014, 00:21
I'm still favouring my "Interstellar/inter-dimensional tourist" theory for Argent. His actions just seem to fit into the "rubber necked tourist" stereotype. I'm guessing that he is going to cause a lot of trouble and then try the "I'm sorry; I'm new in town" excuse. I also think a lot of his trouble will be caused by overestimating his effect on ladies!

So, the general feel of the town is early Victorian or Frontier West. This makes the turbines anachronistic and makes trying to figure out the setting actually a bit simpler. If it's Earth, Alice is a time traveller. Alternately, this is a The Long Earth scenario and Alice is an aid worker from a parallel Earth here to help bootstrap this one to closer to average inter-dimensional technology levels. Read Terry Pratchett and Steven Baxter's books if you need more details.

If this is such a scenario, then the chances are that Argent is human but from a distant parallel where evolution took a few different turns.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Storel on 28 Oct 2014, 00:29
Yes, he has a tourist mentality. Insterstellar/interdimensional/time-traveling, I'd say, just to cover all the bases. He's got to be one of those.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 28 Oct 2014, 02:08
Perhaps he's telling them his preferred editor? He likes Emacs, though he's used another one in the past.
I know I am a couple pages late, but:

*groan*

 :-D
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Skewbrow on 28 Oct 2014, 03:12
Alternately, this is a The Long Earth scenario and Alice is an aid worker from a parallel Earth here to help bootstrap this one to closer to average inter-dimensional technology levels. Read Terry Pratchett and Steven Baxter's books if you need more details.

If this is such a scenario, then the chances are that Argent is human but from a distant parallel where evolution took a few different turns.
Yes. I just read Long Earth, and quite like this theory. Ardent would have just "stepped" into this version. But why would he claim to be from space?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 28 Oct 2014, 03:28
Alternately, this is a The Long Earth scenario and Alice is an aid worker from a parallel Earth here to help bootstrap this one to closer to average inter-dimensional technology levels. Read Terry Pratchett and Steven Baxter's books if you need more details.

If this is such a scenario, then the chances are that Argent is human but from a distant parallel where evolution took a few different turns.

Yes. I just read Long Earth, and quite like this theory. Ardent would have just "stepped" into this version. But why would he claim to be from space?

It depends; it could just be that this is how he refers to being from a different dimension. There is no easy way to describe it in a three-dimensional context anyway.

If he is someone who has 'stepped over', then, from his reaction when Jack woke him up, I wonder if he is the first of his Earth to do so. It is quite clear that, up to that moment, he had no idea whether he would wake up! It would also explain why he does not know the normal terminology for such displacements and it would also explain why Alice became immediately suspicious of him.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Stoutfellow on 28 Oct 2014, 07:49
This probably marks me as an old-timer, but the "weird dog" bit reminds me of the Smothers Brothers routine, "Mom Always Liked You Best". One of the bits of evidence Tom presented was the fact that Dick got a dog, while he got a "crummy chicken".
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 28 Oct 2014, 13:36
I'm just waiting for the green haired android lady running the local Coffee Shop to appear.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 28 Oct 2014, 16:05
One of these days, Superman's going to be too cocky and it'll turn out to be a kryptonite bullet.

...and as much as it will give me the willies, I'll read that comic, 'cause I've always thought Supes was a smug bastard.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2014, 16:10
DCUO was probably a shitty MMO but what an opening. Sure, it ended up never happening because it's an alternate future, but the opening sequence ends with
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 28 Oct 2014, 16:17
daaaaaang.

Smug or not, that's messed up.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Oct 2014, 19:16
That whole future was messed up. Basically it was Luthor's ultimate victory after killing nearly all of the planet's metahumans in his quest to take down Superman. Only to find out that it was exactly what Braniac was waiting for to finally take over once they were all dead.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2014, 20:02
Messed up, yes, but also a really cool battle.

Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Storel on 29 Oct 2014, 00:42
Getting a tad off-topic here, aren't we?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Mlle Germain on 29 Oct 2014, 02:41
While the comic started off really differently than QC, to me it has a really strong "QC with a blue guy" feel to me since Ardent woke up. Slightly silly and with a punchline at the end of each strip.

Not sure I like it for "Alice Grove"; I was hoping it would be something serious and I liked the start so much...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: MooskiNet on 29 Oct 2014, 09:33
Messed up, yes, but also a really cool battle.

Wow.  Thanks, that was pretty damn awesome.

Getting a tad off-topic here, aren't we?

Yeah, but straight up worth it.

Not sure I like it for "Alice Grove"; I was hoping it would be something serious and I liked the start so much...

I am intrigued, but I am also letting a buffer build up before I revisit it.  With no prologue, few words and 4-7 panels every three days or so, it'll be a month or so before there's enough story there.

I still have high hopes.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Eternal_Newbie on 30 Oct 2014, 08:43
I'm just waiting for the green haired android lady running the local Coffee Shop to appear.

Aah, so I'm not the only one who's getting a Yokohama Kaidashi Kikōish vibe from this story. Which is good, because that's one of my favourite manga's (just wish one of the Western Manga publishers would pick it up so I can give them money).
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 30 Oct 2014, 16:03
The thing is, it's early days yet, and we have no real idea where Jeph is going to take this tale.  I like it so far and it's going to be interesting to see where this goes.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ysth on 30 Oct 2014, 19:06
F5?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: jwhouk on 30 Oct 2014, 20:29
Comic!

Heh, at least he's honest about it.


(Wait a second...)
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Oct 2014, 20:38
Apparently his butt itched. Also he has no money. Apparently his society is post-scarcity.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Fig on 30 Oct 2014, 20:39
I don't see any place to put a wallet in those red boxer briefs so begging is the best option.  Besides, I bet the exchange rate would be horrible.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Carl-E on 30 Oct 2014, 20:41
Clearly, he was going to pull some money out of... somewhere. 
Alice is on a short fuse at this point...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Oct 2014, 20:48
"Currency!"

We have a semi-psychic amongst us.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 31 Oct 2014, 00:01
I suspect that Alice will name her first ulcer after Argent!

I wonder if Argent's name translates to "freeloader" in his language?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 31 Oct 2014, 03:03
https://translate.google.com/#fr/en/argent

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argent
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: osaka on 31 Oct 2014, 03:11
Ardent clearly don't give a damn. I don't know if it's typical space tourist behaviour tho.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Storel on 31 Oct 2014, 11:21
His name is Ardent, not Argent.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 31 Oct 2014, 11:32
Ah. So it is.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Thrudd on 31 Oct 2014, 11:41
Ardent doesn't come across so much as a parallel universe explorer as more like a brat that broke in somewhere where he is not supposed to be.
A kid living in a space colony of some sort or on an interstellar passenger liner, sneaking past preoccupied adults is a known trope and seems to fit.
His name seems something a kid would conjure up when you think about it a bit.
[ Bet it ends up being revealed his real name is Ardent Smith or Johnson and he is a custodians son (Janitor) ]

I am in agreement with those speculating that this is a world where the tech level is still a mixed bag and definitely pre-space.
The farmers being more down to earth may not have much info on anything outside their own community, just like in the Real World[tm].

I also make note that none of the Townies have run away screaming Demon or Monster or set fire to our little blue Monkey-Boy in red swim trunks / boxer-briefs.

NOTE: I still can not read the comic normally and have to resort to [ack] reditt / tumbler - indirect linking [/ack]
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 31 Oct 2014, 11:57
"Hospital!"
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Oct 2014, 13:50
where he is not supposed to be
Why would Ardent have less of a right to be on Earth than anyone?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: pwhodges on 31 Oct 2014, 14:13
Well, we don't know yet, do we!
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Orkboy on 31 Oct 2014, 14:35
where he is not supposed to be
Why would Ardent have less of a right to be on Earth than anyone?

Durn illegal aliens, coming down here and taking our jobs.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 31 Oct 2014, 14:36
where he is not supposed to be
Why would Ardent have less of a right to be on Earth than anyone?


It may not be that he's not supposed to be on Earth (or wherever the comic is set), but perhaps he's not supposed to be where he is on ?Earth.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Neko_Ali on 31 Oct 2014, 15:56
where he is not supposed to be
Why would Ardent have less of a right to be on Earth than anyone?

Durn illegal aliens, coming down here and taking our jobs.   :mrgreen:

Except he's more coming down and become a beggar...
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: KOK on 02 Nov 2014, 01:52
Does Ardent have a pheromone gland under his tail? It seems that he expect that if only he get some the stuff on his hand, he will get whatever he asks for.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Nov 2014, 19:34
Is Ardent trying to Stink Palm her?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Nov 2014, 20:34
Say...would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: mikmaxs on 04 Nov 2014, 19:23
So far, I can't decide if I like Alice Grove or not. Jeph Jaques has enough of a tenure that I'm willing to stick with it for a while, but he's so far taken the story really, really slow, (It took us *three weeks* to get the main character's Name,) and I don't really care much about any of the characters that much.

Plus, I'm still more interested in what the heck was going on at the Wind Turbine than anything else. Questions arise, such as:
Why did the cable snap when she fell? I saw absolutely no reason that it would, other than completely random coincidence.

Is Alice literally a witch? If so, did she actually fly to slow her descent, or is she just somehow super durable? That's not a distance that someone could survive without injury unless she was *super* lucky, implying some kind of supernatural or technological intervention, but I haven't the damndest clue what it is because it hasn't been brought up since.

Related to the above question, if Alice can survive falls like that without injury or any apparent discomfort or issue, why does she have a climbing harness at all? (Also, why doesn't the Wind Turbine have a ladder?)

Wind Turbines produce electricity, but I've not seen anyone using anything which requires electricity, thus far, or even anything that *implies* the use of electricity. What?


I've got some other, non-wind turbine questions, (Why is nobody reacting with shock and awe at the blue guy with the tail? What year is this? Is it a parallel universe or dimension?) but most of my questions revolve around that opening scene.
I'm sure there are answers to most of these questions, but they haven't been brought up yet, and to me it's far more interesting than what's going on with the annoying blue guy who, quite frankly, seems to be really arrogant, annoying, and kinda douchey. So, I guess in a way, the plot is moving too slow because it's not answering any questions, but it's also moving too fast because it's moving from one plot thread to another without even hinting at a resolution. It's frustrating. I want to know what happens, but I'm getting too fed up to keep reading.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 04 Nov 2014, 19:33
Better question: When Ardent says, "How do you know that?" does he mean "how do you know if that is true" or "how do you know about that"?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: SubaruStephen on 04 Nov 2014, 21:04
(Also, why doesn't the Wind Turbine have a ladder?)

Wind Turbines produce electricity, but I've not seen anyone using anything which requires electricity, thus far, or even anything that *implies* the use of electricity. What?

Wind turbines of that size have ladders on the inside.

And we haven't seen the insides of the buildings yet, those will have electric lights.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: mikmaxs on 04 Nov 2014, 22:06
(Also, why doesn't the Wind Turbine have a ladder?)

Wind Turbines produce electricity, but I've not seen anyone using anything which requires electricity, thus far, or even anything that *implies* the use of electricity. What?

Wind turbines of that size have ladders on the inside.

And we haven't seen the insides of the buildings yet, those will have electric lights.
Wind Turbines have ladders on the inside, indeed! And so why didn't she climb down it?

Electric lights inside, maybe... But outside, no streetlights?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 04 Nov 2014, 23:35
@milkmars,

The thing to remember is that Alice Grove is a graphic novel rather than a daily episodic strip. It will take a lot longer to develop characters and plot and some hooks may not reach payoff for scores of pages.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Nov 2014, 00:21
Related to the above question, if Alice can survive falls like that without injury or any apparent discomfort or issue, why does she have a climbing harness at all?

Cover?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2014, 01:24
Related to the above question, if Alice can survive falls like that without injury or any apparent discomfort or issue, why does she have a climbing harness at all?

Cover?

Or she really didn't expect to emerge unhurt from such a fall. She will probably freak out about it later but she is more worried about the potential damage Ardent could do right now.

I could see her running into another physical peril and then looking at the impact point, seeing torn skin and, beneath it, a synthetic exo-shell. "I'm... an android?" After all, if you have believed you were human and everyone treated you as human for your entire conscious existence, what reason might you have for even suspecting you weren't?
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Nov 2014, 01:38
Alice is not an android. She's a Druid.

A fall from that height wouldn't even be marginally impairing above 8th level.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Zebediah on 05 Nov 2014, 04:40
Yes, and then there's her name, "Grove" - or is that actually her title in the druidic faith? Which would make her Reformed Druid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Druids_of_North_America), not Orthodox.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ysth on 05 Nov 2014, 16:33
Wrong thread, y'all.  It's November.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Nov 2014, 16:48
There are no wrong threads. Only Zuul.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: Kugai on 05 Nov 2014, 18:37
And Vince Klortho
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: mikmaxs on 05 Nov 2014, 19:53
@milkmars,

The thing to remember is that Alice Grove is a graphic novel rather than a daily episodic strip. It will take a lot longer to develop characters and plot and some hooks may not reach payoff for scores of pages.
I'm afraid that's a terrible defense of Alice Grove, since Alice Grove as I've seen it thus far would be an absolutely *horrendous* Graphic Novel. Why? I'll tell you why!
First off, there have been a huge number of panels where our character's travel is implied, but not shown. (By my count, at least 5 out of 13 comics have skipped travel or time between pages, and all of those time-skips are in the 8 most recent comics,) This is fine for a webcomic, but in a Graphic Novel style adventure it is not a good idea. That much transition is jarring when you're reading it back-to-back. (Even something as simple as a page-click can help add spacing, but if this were presented as a book I'd find it very distracting.)
Also, there are several moments in the story that only work if we don't know what is going to happen right away. For example: When Alice's rope breaks and she falls, it would be boring to look about six inches to your left and immediately read 'Oh, she's fine.' Adding that couple-days wait (Or even that page-loading time) fixes this.
Plus, a lot of the most recent comics have been of the 'setup-setup-punchline' arrangement. Even the comics without an actual joke still have a 'punchline' of sorts. Graphic Novels don't work well as a series of jokes and brief setup/payoffs that don't add to the overall story.


If I were reading this as a graphic novel, I don't think I would like it at all. As a webcomic, though, it's other flaws are currently tolerable.
Title: Re: Alice Grove MCDT - NEW COMIC! - October 2014
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2014, 23:33
That's where "Your Mileage May Vary" comes in; it doesn't bother me at all!