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Title: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 04 Oct 2014, 22:04
And now the thrilling conclusion!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: davedig on 04 Oct 2014, 23:20
Sure about that?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 04 Oct 2014, 23:52
What will Claire's mother think of Veronica?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 04 Oct 2014, 23:58
Okay, as it's more relevant to this thread, I've carried this reply over from last week's thread:

I wanna see Clairemom and Veronica as the mothers-in-law. :-D

Not so much the mothers-in-law but  the two co-conspirators, meeting in secret (as if meeting at CoD with Dora, Tai and Penny offering endless 'voice of experience' suggestions classifies as a 'secret') to plot hooking the two up. It would be funny but I genuinely get the impression that's the sort of woman Mrs A is. Veronica is a real child of the liberation-70s and I doubt she'd be interested in mapping out Marten's life for him. However, if she's happy in a relationship with Jim, she might decide she wants Marten to be happy too.

SAM: "So... then Miss Claire would be my sorta-sister-in-law?"

VV: "Step-sister-in-law, assuming that I marry your dad, yes."

SAM: "Cool! She'd be able to help me with my literature homework! I'm in!"

Regarding how Mrs A will view Veronica? Well, she can't be that conservative, given Claire's situation. However, she does strike me as a very middle-of-the-road home-maker type. However, from what Veronica said to Marten about wanting to settle down, she might represent what she wants to be. There may be a running joke about Mrs A calling Veronica "my young apprentice" and the two bursting into giggles, leading Marten and Claire to the horrible realisation that they're both the children of sci-fi nerds.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HiFranc on 05 Oct 2014, 01:02
I hope that we get to see more of Claire and Marten next week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 05 Oct 2014, 03:57
We still have the Dora-Sven fallout waiting to happen as well as the Angus interview situation.  Will the arcs merge? 

I'm looking forward to Marten developing his new assertiveness. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2014, 06:24
We still have the Dora-Sven fallout waiting to happen as well as the Angus interview situation.  Will the arcs merge

It's possible; at the very least, I think that, as a result of the Angus situation, we may see the Marten-Faye axis change; either Faye will move in with Angus or Marten will be temporarily focussed on supporting Faye through a break-up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 05 Oct 2014, 07:12
I can see claire and Faye arguing in the near future. If Fay and Angus break up, Marten and Claire get together, I imagine Claire will be floating on clouds while Faye would probably feel horrific.

"Just because you are sad doesn't mean I can't be happy!" is an argument I've had and could see happen here. And then poor marten would be stuck in the middle
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 07:16
I could also see Faye wanting Marten's shoulder to cry on (and most of his time), and Claire being all 'back the hell off my man, you had your shot.'

With, of course, Marten stuck in the middle.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 05 Oct 2014, 07:24
Regarding how Mrs A will view Veronica? Well, she can't be that conservative, given Claire's situation.

Claire is who she is. Veronica has chosen to make a living from porn. Those two things are not remotely the same. I expect that Mrs. Augustus would have no problems with Henry being gay (though people er complex, and not always consistent). Veronica's profession, we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Oct 2014, 08:22
I could also see Faye wanting Marten's shoulder to cry on (and most of his time), and Claire being all 'back the hell off my man, you had your shot.'

With, of course, Marten stuck in the middle.

This seems like the most likely scenario to me, not only because I can see it happening, but also because it plays off of the issues we already know Claire has because of her history with her father. That's where we find out how much Claire and Marten have grown as individuals... Claire would have to resist the urge to lump Marten in with her dad (amid situations, thanks to Jeph, that're likely to look much worse than what they are). Meantime, Marten -- faced with Claire's habitual wariness -- is going to have to keep from making the same mistakes that he did when faced with Dora's insecurities.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 05 Oct 2014, 08:40

I can see claire and Faye arguing in the near future. If Fay and Angus break up, Marten and Claire get together, I imagine Claire will be floating on clouds while Faye would probably feel horrific.

"Just because you are sad doesn't mean I can't be happy!" is an argument I've had and could see happen here. And then poor marten would be stuck in the middle

I feel like Faye has grown a lot over the years, I could imagine her handling Marten's happiness extremely well and wanting the best for him rather than dwelling on her own pain and punishing Marten's girlfriend for it
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 05 Oct 2014, 09:05
Dammit!  Missed the opportunity to do a WCDT again.

Oh well.  I think that speculations on the SS Claire/Marten are premature at this time (fun, but premature), and the interaction of Veronica and ClaireMom is speculating in the extreme. 

I'm at a loss to figure out why people think Jim of Secret Bakery fame is the ex.  It requires a complete reliance on the overused trope that everyone is related to someone else as there is only the flimsiest evidence to support the contention.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 05 Oct 2014, 09:08
It hadn't crossed my mind until you people brought it up, but Veronica meeting Clairemom is

Something
I
Must
See
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 05 Oct 2014, 09:17
This week: Something something awkward Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mlle Germain on 05 Oct 2014, 09:18
I'm at a loss to figure out why people think Jim of Secret Bakery fame is the ex.  It requires a complete reliance on the overused trope that everyone is related to someone else as there is only the flimsiest evidence to support the contention.
I think the person in the original post said Jimbo, not Jim, but then people confused the two. That it's Jim is really out of the question since 1) he would be very young to have a kid Claire's age (if I recall correctly, he's 41, Claire's 24), 2) we know for a fact Sam is his only child as he says so several times in comic. No idea while people discussed the idea so much. (Although it might have been people who hadn't read all of the comic or at least didn't remember all of it - possibly Jimbo was before their time. They were pretty new to the forum.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 09:25
Not being familiar with Jimbo is a crime.  There have been many, many funny moments in QC, but the one that will make me laugh every single time (literally out loud, as my wife will attest with rolling eyes) is Jimbo's reaction (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2659) to the craft beer menu at the Horrible Revelation.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Oct 2014, 09:33
I can see claire and Faye arguing in the near future. If Fay and Angus break up, Marten and Claire get together, I imagine Claire will be floating on clouds while Faye would probably feel horrific.

"Just because you are sad doesn't mean I can't be happy!" is an argument I've had and could see happen here. And then poor marten would be stuck in the middle

Claire is also one of the new cast members who takes none of Faye's shit. So there's strong potential for conflict there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Oct 2014, 10:18
 Jealousy would make sense, but it'd also be a complete rehash of Marten and Dora. I think one thing in favor of the jealousy angle not happening is that Faye kind of orchestrated this whole thing. She made Claire confront her feelings, suggested they go back to their place and bowed out when the time was right.

She may or may not even be responsible for the disappearing Hanners. I hope she remembers to let her out of that supply closet.

Quote
Claire is also one of the new cast members who takes none of Faye's shit. So there's strong potential for conflict there.

I don't think that's really true. She called her dumb, but that was her herself doing something dumb and talking without thinking. Which earned her a new hat.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HiFranc on 05 Oct 2014, 11:06
Reading the comments here I wonder whether, if Faye and Angus do break up, that it would be Claire who does most of the supporting of Faye?  Of course, I don't see Faye and Angus breaking up soon.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 05 Oct 2014, 11:49
That would be a good counter to the conflict idea. Instead of conflict, Claire supports faye as thanks for helping her with Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Oct 2014, 11:54
Yeah, Faye getting jealous of Marten and Claire would make no sense after the night at the bar.  I don't think Claire would do a lot of standing up to Faye though... She's been terrified of her in the past (beer can on the head incident at the CoD). Claire tends to be pretty shy and retiring most of the time anyway, until something pushes her buttons.  I can't see Faye lashing out at other couples around her even if she and Angus broke up. She'd be sad and upset, no doubt. But she's more likely to turn to her friends for support than be angry at them for being in happy relationships.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2014, 13:01
If anything, I think it could be Claire who initiates any conflict. Marten will just want to be there for his friend but, depending on how secure Claire feels in any hypothetical relationship, she may feel threatened by this.

That said, one of the outcomes of the current Angus Callback arc that I predicted from the start is Faye having a bout of rebound or anxiety sex with either Marten or Sven. The story then would be more about her regretting her weakness and, being Faye, responding to this with random explosions of anger at anyone dumb enough to cross her path.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bryntheskits on 05 Oct 2014, 13:10
I like my Martéclaire contraction more.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2014, 13:11
Plot twist

Faye and CLINTON hook up



The details I leave to your vivid imaginations.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 13:18
Thank you so much for the mental image of what accessories Clinton might have for his robot hand.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2014, 13:24
You're welcome

I'm here all week   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Oct 2014, 13:34
If anything, I think it could be Claire who initiates any conflict. Marten will just want to be there for his friend but, depending on how secure Claire feels in any hypothetical relationship, she may feel threatened by this.
So, in other words, exactly a plotline that was done with Dora?

I mean, I could see it happening IRL...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Oct 2014, 13:35
Poor Clinton's going to need more robot parts. Because Faye would break him.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 05 Oct 2014, 13:38
Plot twist

Faye and CLINTON hook up



The details I leave to your vivid imaginations.
I don't think the world is ready for this. And imagine how much sibling bickering this would lead to!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Oct 2014, 14:06
Not being familiar with Jimbo is a crime.  There have been many, many funny moments in QC, but the one that will make me laugh every single time (literally out loud, as my wife will attest with rolling eyes) is Jimbo's reaction (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2659) to the craft beer menu at the Horrible Revelation.

"I'll have a yellow one." (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2660)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Oct 2014, 14:11
That said, one of the outcomes of the current Angus Callback arc that I predicted from the start is Faye having a bout of rebound or anxiety sex with either Marten or Sven. The story then would be more about her regretting her weakness and, being Faye, responding to this with random explosions of anger at anyone dumb enough to cross her path.

Sven, not Marten (I don't think, anyway). That doesn't mean that Claire might not jump to that conclusion the same way Dora did, as I kinda alluded to above. I think that the last couple of weeks, a lot of what I've been "expecting" in-comic, or a lot of the way I've thought it might pan out, has been filtered through what I'd expect from a storytelling perspective as much as what I'd otherwise like or expect to happen. That's the other reason I think a Faye/Sven hookup would be in the cards if (but only if) she breaks up with Angus: depending on how things play out between Dora and Sven, a Fave/Sven situation would lead to hella drama, but would also send the story off in some potentially interesting directions.

Just my $.02 worth, mind you.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: swapna on 05 Oct 2014, 15:12
Oh please not Clinton, every time that guy shows up he's either creepy or rude or insults people or makes an ass out of himself. And I hope not Sven either, not after his weird character development - didn't he use to be more mature?

And I kiinda go against the flow I think, when I don't want Marten and Claire to get together. Why... Well, while Claire as a character is interesting, I really don't want her to show up and 'NOT JUDGE PEOPLE' all the time - I realise that all the characters have flaws which makes them interesting, but Claire telling people that they're stupid or that their interest in books is worth less than hers because it's different gets on my nerves pretty fast. She's good as a secondary character but as a primary?

On Faye/Angus-Drama: I hope they make it work long-distance if Angus gets the job. I hope he doesn't or commutes a lot because at the moment he's interesting and funny, and handles his relationship like a grown-up. Faye does, too, and I like that a lot about her and them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Oct 2014, 15:19
And I kiinda go against the flow I think, when I don't want Marten and Claire to get together. Why... Well, while Claire as a character is interesting, I really don't want her to show up and 'NOT JUDGE PEOPLE' all the time - I realise that all the characters have flaws which makes them interesting, but Claire telling people that they're stupid or that their interest in books is worth less than hers because it's different gets on my nerves pretty fast. She's good as a secondary character but as a primary?

Yeah, but bear in mind that a lot of the "main" cast started off as secondary characters. Don't forget that a lot of them had (and still have) their quirks, but that in most cases (with the seeming exception of Sven), they're working through them and growing from the experience. Even Clinton's personality makes a lot more sense once you realize what motivates it... and something tells me we'll see more of that motivation the more we learn of their mom and the whole family dynamic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blood-Tree on 05 Oct 2014, 15:22
I wish to make a bold prediction that by the end of this week nothing will change:

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 15:43
You keep makin' sense, boy, and Imma have to make with the arm breakin'.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AJ_ on 05 Oct 2014, 15:55
I wish to make a bold prediction that by the end of this week nothing will change:
Has there ever been a week where nothing changes
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 05 Oct 2014, 15:58
Does guest week count?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 05 Oct 2014, 16:01
And the Sunday evening refresh button pressing begins in earnest
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Blood-Tree on 05 Oct 2014, 16:06
Has there ever been a week where nothing changes

Well I did say it was a bold prediction  :-P

There have been plenty of weeks where nothing has really changed in terms of plot lines being resolved. QC moves at a fairly glacial pace most of the time.

For what it's worth, I think it will be interesting to see what happens when Marten talks to Tai about Clairegate at some point in the next few weeks, especially now that she's becoming his main confidante.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Knight of Cydonia on 05 Oct 2014, 16:07
I can't wait for another week month of characters dancing around their issues and no important plot points developing!

this is how we make it happen right
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 16:12
I wish to make a bold prediction that by the end of this week nothing will change:
Has there ever been a week where nothing changes
Yeah, plenty of times.

Also I'm not saying this as a mod because it's not against policy, but holy shit I hate that small text gag so much. Just use a spoiler tag, the joke still works and is much less obnoxious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Oct 2014, 17:19
I wish to make a bold prediction that by the end of this week nothing will change:
Has there ever been a week where nothing changes

Yeah, guest strip week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 17:42
That doesn't count as a week.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 05 Oct 2014, 17:56
Stop the presses, the new strip is up.

THAT LAST PANEL.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Oct 2014, 17:57
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: grouchygizmo on 05 Oct 2014, 17:58
I'm squeeing so hard in my head right now. This is either gonna be romantic, or friendly- either way I am going to be devastated.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 18:00
Oh HELL yes.  You go ahead Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Auramis on 05 Oct 2014, 18:01
Intensified squee'ing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 05 Oct 2014, 18:01
its up *squeeeeeeeee*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Meilu on 05 Oct 2014, 18:05
Cripes. Never thought I could get jealous of a comic character I so closely identify with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 18:05
Jesus, my hands are shaking. I mean, that's probably because I didn't eat today, but this also makes my heart race. Which feels weird if one didn't eat for a while.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 05 Oct 2014, 18:06
Blushing Claire is going to be my new phone wallpaper... HOW CAN THIS END IN ANYTHING BUT HAPPIES?!?!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 05 Oct 2014, 18:06
IT'S HAPPENING! I AM SO EXCITED!

But really I haven't been this excited about QC in a long time. Good shit right here.

Edit: Another thought. I wonder how long Jeph has had this story line planned out?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 05 Oct 2014, 18:09
Blushing Claire is going to be my new phone wallpaper... HOW CAN THIS END IN ANYTHING BUT HAPPIES?!?!
I can think of a few ways. The most obvious one right now is that we don't exactly know what Claire's thinking right now. We might have an incoming panic attack or something of the sort.

Though we might also have incoming smooching. I give it 50/50 odds at this point, since Marten seems to have made up his mind.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Oct 2014, 18:11
I'm going to be squeeing until tomorrow night, when Clinton walks in and ruins the moment.

But that is tomorrow.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RyanW1019 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:11
So...cute....

/kawaii fugue

In all seriousness, I like that Marten is taking the emotional lead here. Clearly Claire is freaking out, and we know that she has issues with anxiety. Marten seems to be placing his focus on reassuring Claire/keeping her calm. Definitely an aww moment for me, taking her hand when he sees her panicking is such a powerful gesture. Regardless of which way this is going, Marten definitely appears to be aware that Claire is very vulnerable right now and wants to make sure that he doesn't do anything to hurt her.

Or maybe I'm just overly emotionally sensitive given my recent breakup from a 3 year relationship, and that gesture isn't a big deal.  :psyduck:


As an aside, can I just say I love the psyduck emote? It seems to be a fitting image of my mental state of mind about 50% of the time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Oct 2014, 18:15
It's a big enough deal that it has a wordless panel all to itself. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:16
...Ready!?!

1--
-2--
---Squeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Oct 2014, 18:17
Marten looks so earnest.  And so intensely open right now. 

Claire is going to be the one who has issues with this - she'll say it's a professional issue, but it will have more to do with her own self doubt. 

But for now, happies all around! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 05 Oct 2014, 18:20
Warning: An intense squee-storm has been detected in the vicinity of Northampton, Massachusetts. Local residents are advised to take cover immediately.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 05 Oct 2014, 18:24
In all seriousness, I like that Marten is taking the emotional lead here. Clearly Claire is freaking out, and we know that she has issues with anxiety. Marten seems to be placing his focus on reassuring Claire/keeping her calm. Definitely an aww moment for me, taking her hand when he sees her panicking is such a powerful gesture. Regardless of which way this is going, Marten definitely appears to be aware that Claire is very vulnerable right now and wants to make sure that he doesn't do anything to hurt her.

Can you smell the character growth? Because I can!

Claire is going to be the one who has issues with this - she'll say it's a professional issue, but it will have more to do with her own self doubt. 

Agreed. But I think that Marten will shoot down the professional issue by saying he doesn't care and with Tai as their superior it doesn't really matter (not to mention the research librarians who like to tell workers that they are janitors).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 05 Oct 2014, 18:25
Cue a week of the two gazing meaningfully into each others' eyes, ended by Cereal Steve on Friday. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Oct 2014, 18:29
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 05 Oct 2014, 18:32
Jesus, my hands are shaking. I mean, that's probably because I didn't eat today, but this also makes my heart race. Which feels weird if one didn't eat for a while.
You should eat. And looking at panel one, so should Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 18:34
All the stores are closed, it's 03:34 in the morning
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 05 Oct 2014, 18:35
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

There was also this.... http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2802 Maybe with maple syrup this time?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Oct 2014, 18:35
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

It is a powerful gesture. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 05 Oct 2014, 18:37
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

Yes, but in the short term, it led to banging.  And Claire-mom is in the next room....   :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iduguphergrave on 05 Oct 2014, 18:39
Tonights comic is proof that anything is possible with the power of pancakes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 05 Oct 2014, 18:39
I made an audible gasp for that last panel.

I don't... What?!

My guess is that Marten knows that nothing would ever happen if he just sat around and didn't do anything, and he has been getting better at taking charge of his life lately. Now the question is how Claire will respond to this. Martens feelings seem pretty clear, I doubt he'd do any of this just to tell her "We can't date/I don't want to date you"

in that case he's an oblivious asshole. But to be faire, he seems happy to be there. Almost drunk...
... with love?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:40
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

Yes, but in the short term, it led to banging.  And Claire-mom is in the next room....   :psyduck:

Let's not get ahead ourselves, here. I'm looking forward to a nice, wholesome talk about last night  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CUBErt on 05 Oct 2014, 18:40
I want this to work so, so much, but I'm also completely terrified because I'm looking at the way it's going right now and my mind is screaming "NO."

Claire is obviously freaking out. As much as I know Marten's head and heart are in a good place, we have no idea what kind of reaction his grabbing her hand is going to have. A lot of people would interpret it as an attempt at a comforting gesture, and who knows, it might work (I hope it does I hope it does); but it might also have the opposite affect. And it feels like this is all happening way too quickly for it to end well. .-.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Comic Strip Critic on 05 Oct 2014, 18:41
In all seriousness, I like that Marten is taking the emotional lead here. Clearly Claire is freaking out, and we know that she has issues with anxiety. Marten seems to be placing his focus on reassuring Claire/keeping her calm. Definitely an aww moment for me, taking her hand when he sees her panicking is such a powerful gesture. Regardless of which way this is going, Marten definitely appears to be aware that Claire is very vulnerable right now and wants to make sure that he doesn't do anything to hurt her.

Can you smell the character growth? Because I can!

Claire is going to be the one who has issues with this - she'll say it's a professional issue, but it will have more to do with her own self doubt. 

Agreed. But I think that Marten will shoot down the professional issue by saying he doesn't care and with Tai as their superior it doesn't really matter (not to mention the research librarians who like to tell workers that they are janitors).

The comic hasn't even been up for an hour, and all my thoughts have been ninja'd. CURSE ALL OF YOU.
Also, all the squeeing must be causing dogs to have a the biggest freakout ever. Holy crap.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 05 Oct 2014, 18:43

It's a big enough deal that it has a wordless panel all to itself. :-D

This. Precisely this. Anything that happens after that is going to be squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:45
All the stores are closed, it's 03:34 in the morning

Does Germany not have 7-11?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:50
What do you guys think of the title for this strip?

Quote
While I'm Here

Hmm. What does it mean?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Oct 2014, 18:52
Now departing...


And while I'm here I think would be related to Marten friend being over for breakie. "So while I'm here... about last night"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Oct 2014, 18:53
What do you guys think of the title for this strip?

Quote
While I'm Here

Hmm. What does it mean?


Could be a way of saying, "While I'm here, we'd might as well talk this out"?

The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

As anything involving Sven was bound to. I can see any number of ways and reasons this goes nowhere in the short term (although I'd love to see it happen), but I think that'd just be a speed bump, not a wall.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 05 Oct 2014, 18:54

It's a big enough deal that it has a wordless panel all to itself. :-D

This. Precisely this. Anything that happens after that is going to be squee.
Unless ativan is involved. It's been mentioned before, but Claire looks like she needs a moment to catch her breath or something.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 18:55
The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...
You're right, it was followed by a WEEK OF GUEST STRIPS :psyduck:

Edit: HOLY SHIT SIXTEEN REDTEXT REPLIES

All the stores are closed, it's 03:34 in the morning
Do you not have a 7-11/Wawa type store in your country?

Hahaha, one of those redtext replies was this, and another one was someone asking THAT EXACT QUESTION
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:56
"So while I'm here... about last night"

Oh, that's good. That gives me hope that his priority is to keep Claire calm.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RyanW1019 on 05 Oct 2014, 18:58
I made an audible gasp for that last panel.

I don't... What?!

My guess is that Marten knows that nothing would ever happen if he just sat around and didn't do anything, and he has been getting better at taking charge of his life lately. Now the question is how Claire will respond to this. Martens feelings seem pretty clear, I doubt he'd do any of this just to tell her "We can't date/I don't want to date you"

in that case he's an oblivious asshole. But to be faire, he seems happy to be there. Almost drunk...
... with love?

I'm not sure he's drunk, I think he's just happy. He knows Claire is a genuinely good person, he knows he enjoys her company, and he knows that there is a mutual attraction there. There's not a bunch of emotional baggage/tension like with Faye or Dora, and the relationship didn't immediately escalate to physicality like with Padma. His other relationships (or near-relationships) all started rather abruptly, with very little warning. This is the first relationship Marten's had that started as a friendship and gradually and naturally grew into something more. However, it's not like Marten has spent weeks or months mooning after her or is agonizing over how to proceed with things. He's had time to think about the possibility and approach the situation on his own terms.

So from my perspective, Marten is just happy. He knows he is not at risk emotionally for two reasons: Claire is clearly attracted to him, so the risk of being turned down is unlikely if he doesn't rush things and freak her out. Also, while Marten is clearly attracted to Claire, it doesn't seem to be a "I LOVE YOUUUUUUU PLEASE BE WITH ME" attraction a la Sven with Faye. He knows he would be happy in a relationship, but it seems to me that he would still be happy while not in a relationship, so he doesn't feel the pressure to "get" someone. He also knows that Claire is definitely at risk emotionally right now, and as her friend he wants her to be happy. So he's making his advances politely and openly, trying to make sure there's as little risk of causing a Claire freakout as possible.

I agree though, old Marten would never have handled it like this. That may be why you thought he's acting like he would if he were drunk.

Sorry for the wall of text.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 05 Oct 2014, 19:03
Sorry for the wall of text.

Thank you for writing that up. I haven't gone back through the recent strips yet, and you gave a context to this strip that was very well thought out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 05 Oct 2014, 19:07
And them it was all a dream.
(click to show/hide)

Have anyone noticed that Claire mother got curvier?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 05 Oct 2014, 19:11
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

aaaand now my coworkers are staring at me.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 05 Oct 2014, 19:12
I wonder what Lt. Potter is up to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 05 Oct 2014, 19:15
Have anyone noticed that Claire mother got curvier?

I think it was just the way she was standing before.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: PLGRN8R on 05 Oct 2014, 19:17
1. SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2. Go Marten!
3. Claire, look deeply into his eyes in tomorrow's comic and I promise it will all end well!
4. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Oct 2014, 19:20
Welcome, new person!

Marten is being so good I expect everyone within a thousand feet including the straight men to fall in love with him.

Someone must tell Hanners soon so that adequate and professional squeeing can take place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 05 Oct 2014, 19:24
Have anyone noticed that Claire mother got curvier?

I think it was just the way she was standing before.

No, compare with the last panel here
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2804
She looked more on the slim side but now she is getting curvy! If the trend keeps going on she will take Faye's place as the curvy girl and make Swen go nuts! Pancakes sure make miracles!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 05 Oct 2014, 19:28
Yes, but in the short term, it led to banging.  And Claire-mom is in the next room....   :psyduck:

Is this the script for some threesome pancake porn?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 19:31
No 7-11 in Germany afaik. No stores which are open at night in general. Worker protection laws and everything.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 05 Oct 2014, 19:37
We still have the Dora-Sven fallout waiting to happen as well as the Angus interview situation.  Will the arcs merge? 

I'm looking forward to Marten developing his new assertiveness.

I completely forgot about the Angus thing.  Still waiting on Jeph to drop that bomb over here...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 05 Oct 2014, 19:39
I haven't been more invested in a story since I read Harry Potter.  (SO MANY FEELS)  While I'm happy that it seems to be going well, I am still holding back from completely squeeing in joy until we see Claire's reactions to everything.  The pieces are all there, the only variable now is any potential anxiety attacks. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 05 Oct 2014, 19:43
At least the Angus and Sven things are poised to provide drama and unhappiness, meaning this doesn't have to. Story wise it's perfectly okay for something to be perfectly okay.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 05 Oct 2014, 19:43
Oh god I giggled like an idiot at that last panel.

Go Marten, you surprisingly smooth bastard!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 19:50
No 7-11 in Germany afaik. No stores which are open at night in general. Worker protection laws and everything.
In some ways, that seems good, but what about workers who are night people? I guess they're right fucked, eh?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 19:51
Yeah well, if they work at night, they're supposed to work then, right? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 19:52
Well yeah, but it seems like their night working hours are being artificially limited if stores have to close by a certain time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 05 Oct 2014, 20:03
Oh god I giggled like an idiot at that last panel.

Go Marten, you surprisingly smooth bastard!

But is he Calrissian smooth?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 05 Oct 2014, 20:04
Ah, I had misunderstood you. Well, if you're a night person, I guess you're not supposed to work in shops then?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 20:09
Well where else are you supposed to work? Nothing's open that late!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 05 Oct 2014, 20:11
Oh god I giggled like an idiot at that last panel.

Go Marten, you surprisingly smooth bastard!

But is he Calrissian smooth?
He's more likely to be about as smooth as high-grit sandpaper.  Or Claire might have an anxiety attack.  Or they may have a day off, and decide to get rather "friendly", and are interrupted with Faye having a crisis, or Pintsize… well, just being himself.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 05 Oct 2014, 20:15
I hate to be that gal, but...does it look like Marten's going for a handshake? Maybe a "well done on not taking advantage of a drunk" handshake?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 20:16
Not really, no.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: samuraisc on 05 Oct 2014, 20:17
I almost loudly exclaimed "YEESSSS!" before I realized everyone else in the house is asleep right now. I quickly shifted gears and let out a low "yeeeeeessss" and creeped myself out. Either way, there is a whole lot of "YES" in today's strip.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 20:21
THE LITTLE HATS
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 05 Oct 2014, 20:23
Yesssss.  The haaaats.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CUBErt on 05 Oct 2014, 20:23
I hate to be that gal, but...does it look like Marten's going for a handshake? Maybe a "well done on not taking advantage of a drunk" handshake?

Not in the slightest.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: samuraisc on 05 Oct 2014, 20:25
THE LITTLE HATS

CRAP I USED TO HAVE A LITTLE HAT SOMEWHERE IN MY ROOM I COULD'VE TOTALLY DEFUSED MY OWN CREEPINESS WITH REFERENTIAL HUMOR

My life is a series of mostly inconsequential missed opportunities.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LocoJoe on 05 Oct 2014, 20:26
That was the first time that I loudly squeeeeeeeee'd in a very long time.

I needed that. Thanks, Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 20:27
THE LITTLE HATS

CRAP I USED TO HAVE A LITTLE HAT SOMEWHERE IN MY ROOM I COULD'VE TOTALLY DEFUSED MY OWN CREEPINESS WITH REFERENTIAL HUMOR

My life is a series of mostly inconsequential missed opportunities.
Anything little you can balance on your head can be a LITTLE HAT, YESSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: samuraisc on 05 Oct 2014, 20:29
THE LITTLE HATS

CRAP I USED TO HAVE A LITTLE HAT SOMEWHERE IN MY ROOM I COULD'VE TOTALLY DEFUSED MY OWN CREEPINESS WITH REFERENTIAL HUMOR

My life is a series of mostly inconsequential missed opportunities.
Anything little you can balance on your head can be a LITTLE HAT, YESSSSSSSSS

Attempted with nearest cat. Got the mean one. It ended predictably.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 21:04
Had to temporarily move a few posts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 05 Oct 2014, 21:18
Let's see - first Momo and Dale make pancakes for Marigold, and ....

Now - Clairemom makes pancakes for Marten and ...

PANCAKES - IS THERE ANYTHING THEY CAN'T DO?

/i want Jeph's recipe for pancakes.
//so does my wife
///or ... is it the syrup?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 05 Oct 2014, 21:24
Isn't Jeph Canadian? Them authentic maple syrup is the answer!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 21:26
According to the wiki, he was born in Maryland and he now lives in Massachusetts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 05 Oct 2014, 21:29
So we are back to the recipe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 21:33
Recipe?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RyanW1019 on 05 Oct 2014, 21:35
Pretty sure T is referencing this post:

Let's see - first Momo and Dale make pancakes for Marigold, and ....

Now - Clairemom makes pancakes for Marten and ...

PANCAKES - IS THERE ANYTHING THEY CAN'T DO?

/i want Jeph's recipe for pancakes.
//so does my wife
///or ... is it the syrup?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Oct 2014, 21:42
Oh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Toe on 05 Oct 2014, 21:50
Lotsa people obviously ready to ship this, but I don't know if Claire's ready for this just yet. I'm guessing her relationship experience is approximately zero, which is enough fuel itself to be in freakout mode. And then you have the, ah, Claire-specific reasons she might freak out, and, well, I could definitely see her pushing Marten away. For now, at least...

He also knows that Claire is definitely at risk emotionally right now, and as her friend he wants her to be happy. So he's making his advances politely and openly, trying to make sure there's as little risk of causing a Claire freakout as possible.

Other than doing all of this with her mom present...

The last time we had a character reach for another's hand like that (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191), it (eventually) ended badly...

Amusingly, Jeph's skill in drawing hands seems to have gotten worse since that time. At least Faye had fingernails....
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Oct 2014, 22:06
You don't have finger nails on your palm. Martenfriend's right hand is reaching for Claire's left.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Toe on 05 Oct 2014, 22:13
You don't have finger nails on your palm. Martenfriend's right hand is reaching for Claire's left.

Uhhh, if that's Claire's left hand in the last frame, either her palm is up and her fingers bend back like a mofo (wouldn't be the first time we've seen joints that bend the wrong way (http://i.imgur.com/9S2ra.png)...), or her palm is down and she doesn't have a left thumb. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 05 Oct 2014, 22:21
Seriously, if the next comic isn't just Marten saying, "Let's do this," then kissing her so hard the windows and doors blow out, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2014, 22:22
*Cue swelling music*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 05 Oct 2014, 22:28
Or, Marten is simply taking her hand before telling her she is a nice and important person and that he would be happy to consider himself a friend of hers.
(Glad to see I am not the only one with that kind of drama in my life right now...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 05 Oct 2014, 23:02
In all seriousness, I like that Marten is taking the emotional lead here. Clearly Claire is freaking out, and we know that she has issues with anxiety. Marten seems to be placing his focus on reassuring Claire/keeping her calm. Definitely an aww moment for me, taking her hand when he sees her panicking is such a powerful gesture. Regardless of which way this is going, Marten definitely appears to be aware that Claire is very vulnerable right now and wants to make sure that he doesn't do anything to hurt her.

Can you smell the character growth? Because I can!

Claire is going to be the one who has issues with this - she'll say it's a professional issue, but it will have more to do with her own self doubt. 

Agreed. But I think that Marten will shoot down the professional issue by saying he doesn't care and with Tai as their superior it doesn't really matter (not to mention the research librarians who like to tell workers that they are janitors).

The comic hasn't even been up for an hour, and all my thoughts have been ninja'd. CURSE ALL OF YOU.
Also, all the squeeing must be causing dogs to have a the biggest freakout ever. Holy crap.
I agree, that's the problem with not accessing a computer/smartphone until 7am CE(S)T when everybody read the strip 3-4 hours ago.

Anyway, I agree with Ryan. Claire is freaking out and Martens way of handling it seems to be the best way forward. I'm guessing he'll say something like "I liked what happened last night, and if you want, we can continue where we left off as soon as you feel you're ready for it". He'll probably use a lot more words, or even a whole dictionary, and hopefully it will end in a big (and not very chaste) hug.


All the stores are closed, it's 03:34 in the morning

Does Germany not have 7-11?
Well, AFAIK, most 7-11 in Europe are actually open, you know, from 7-ish in the morning until like 11 in the evening*.


*Yes, there are exceptions, especially those affiliated with gas stations near major roads which often are open 24h.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 05 Oct 2014, 23:03
We *have* been waiting for the eating cereal troll post for awhile, it wouldn't surprise me to see something like that any time now
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Capon on 05 Oct 2014, 23:04
No 7-11 in Germany afaik. No stores which are open at night in general. Worker protection laws and everything.

Gah, I remember staying overnight in a small township near Saarbrucken when I got the major case of the munchies. Biked around everywhere at 2 AM and completely horrified there were no 7/11s or Tim Hortons-style all-night diners. I live in a university town, where there are as many night marts as churches.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2014, 23:43
Well it looks positive. I don't want to be a downer, however this could go bad, depending on Claire's reaction. She could:That said, it's nice that Marten is trying to reassure her. I'm thinking that Marten is going to suggest dating to see if there is more than physical attraction. Claire will agree, they'll start to make out and that is when pre- coffee Clinton staggers past and has to come back for a second look before he absorbs enough even to do a double-take! Mrs A will stop him acting out but I think she will have a list of reasonable rules for the house.

Long-term, who knows? I do expect Claire to blush whenever she says "boyfriend" for a while, if she takes the plunge!

The point is that Marten has decided, one way or the other. The ball is very much in Claire's court.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TuRmz on 05 Oct 2014, 23:45
I know many people are expecting Marten to initiate here, but for some reason I can't help feeling that he considers Claire a close friend more than a potential girlfriend

I fear that he may be coming over to apologize or otherwise defuse a dangerous situation he thinks that he put himself into with a good friend

There was just no hint of a more-than-friendly emotional lead-up on Martens side of the situation, only a rushed very drunken lead-up

ohgodihopeimwrong
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Honkytonk on 05 Oct 2014, 23:46
I reckon Claire's head will explode.

RIP Claire
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2014, 23:52
I think that Marten recognises that there is a mutual attraction. The question is how he wishes to address it. After all, he wasn't that drunk! He remembered it clearly. He is also being very tender, which isn't typical for him. If he wanted to let her down , I'd actually expect him to be more nervous!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Oct 2014, 23:56
Welcome, new person!

I doubt that even Marten and Claire know what they're feeling.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 00:08
Really? It looks to me like Marten has made up his mind for once.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 06 Oct 2014, 00:09
Now Claire's Mom's strategy is clear; she had to get Marten eating before calling Claire down because she knew he'd have no chance to after.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TuRmz on 06 Oct 2014, 00:19
I don't know. I guess the main thing that is throwing me off is that if this is really happening then Marten is in the midst of making an important adult decision about his relationship with Claire and DOESN'T SEEM FREAKED OUT OR HESITANT AT ALL

The QC universe might implode

And thank you for the welcome!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 06 Oct 2014, 00:20
I'm not sure that Marten has made up his mind, other that that he wants to clear the air about last night. The beauty of the hand-holding gesture is that it could go either way from that point onwards, but it means that whatever is going to be said or done is going to be honest.

Seriously, if the next comic isn't just Marten saying, "Let's do this," then kissing her so hard the windows and doors blow out, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.

That might happen, but it's very important for Claire that Marten gives her the chance to back out if she wants to, or else it'll be like last night again. They need to talk first.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Dazhbug on 06 Oct 2014, 00:32
To be perfectly frank, no matter which way things go I just have to be quietly happy at the level of openness and maturity Marten's using here. No silliness, just openly and clearly dealing with/progressing the situation. Hats off for the character writing here, Jeph.

(Yep, registered to post this. Back to lurking!)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElsaStegosaurus on 06 Oct 2014, 00:34
Marten may be a cool, collected customer for once in his life (and frankly his extreme zen is starting to damage my own calm), but I can see Claire possibly pulling away and/or freakin' out.  Stupid anxiety.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 00:40
I don't know. I guess the main thing that is throwing me off is that if this is really happening then Marten is in the midst of making an important adult decision about his relationship with Claire and DOESN'T SEEM FREAKED OUT OR HESITANT AT ALL

The QC universe might implode

And thank you for the welcome!

Maybe each scene has a maximum total of freakoutness, and Claire has used it all up, leaving Marten without any freakoutness left?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 06 Oct 2014, 00:50
Well it looks positive. I don't want to be a downer, however this could go bad, depending on Claire's reaction. She could:
  • Jump away like a scalded cat;
  • Burst into tears, say it can't happen and then beg Martin to leave;
  • Smile gratefully and then launch into the "we're better as friends" speech;
  • Claire shakes her head and says: "I'm not ready".
Excellent analysis for us non-shippers. I guess Marten is just trying to calm Claire down. Marten is happy just to be a good friend, and perhaps a regular back-scratcher.

Besides, imagine what would happen at the library if they hook up? Fast forward about 30 years, and we have a repeat of this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1133) scene.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 06 Oct 2014, 00:59
Hi everyone.

So... who's this Jeph guy, and why does he keep breaking the no shipping rule without consequences? Don't we have mods to handle such behaviour? :evil:

Instead of squeeing, let me just address a few questions about stores in germany. I'm sure marten and claire will work out their issues just fine without us.

No 7-11 in Germany afaik. No stores which are open at night in general. Worker protection laws and everything.
There are exceptions to the protection laws of course: hospital staff, night guards, gas stations, .. and gas stations are allowed to sell snacks and other packaged food. It's quite pricey (so avoid when possible), but if you're ever in germany, at night, and you're hungry: find a gas station on a busy road.

Cities can grant special exceptions to opening hours, either for festivities or even permanent exceptions. I was stuck at cologne main station one night (missed the last train around 1 am, had to wait until 5 am for the next). I tried to stay at McDonalds, but they closed around 3 and re-opened at 5. I guess someone was really insistent on not allowing 24/7, but it's still the longest opening hours I've ever seen.

In some ways, that seems good, but what about workers who are night people? I guess they're right fucked, eh?
Ahh, sleeping at day, the luxuries of the single student days..
As part of growing up, one is expected to become a day person, I think. For me, it took some getting used to, but it worked. I still hate mornings, but I hate those anyway - no matter if they're at 7 am or 7 pm. If I eventually want to have a family (and I do), there's no way to stay a night person, anyway..

Nobody needs to work a day job AND a night job. Worker protection laws actually forbid anyone from working more than 10h per day (except in very special emergency situations), because if you don't have a proper recreational phase between shifts, both your health and your work performance suffer.

There are still night jobs, but usually organized as shift-work, with specific rules in place that one must not work more than X night shifts in a row. No, a worker cannot voluntarily forfeit those protections, because otherwise companies would apply pressure to workers to "voluntarily" do so.

So if you really really want to sleep all day and work all night, and you just cannot afford to stay at university until you're 65: get self-employed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 01:24
GAH! The weekend went well enough - I didn't have much trouble waiting for monday's strip. But now? It's agony having to wait for tomorrow's fix! THE PAIN!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 06 Oct 2014, 01:26
Can I just express how wonderful it is to see Marten so at ease and relaxed about this? He's had some really shitty luck romance wise, and it's so good to see such a natural, healthy progression with him and Claire. Happy Marten is the best Marten.

also: Squee
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 01:44
You certainly can. I'm worried that Claire's reaction to all this might not be quite as healthy and level-headed. We'll see.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 06 Oct 2014, 01:50
I hate to be that gal, but...does it look like Marten's going for a handshake? Maybe a "well done on not taking advantage of a drunk" handshake?
Uh, no ?

He accepted an invite for breakfast.

As a dude, I definitely wouldnt do that, unless I'm actually interested into the girl.



Seriously, if the next comic isn't just Marten saying, "Let's do this," then kissing her so hard the windows and doors blow out, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.
Since when are you supposed to kiss HARD ?  :?



Well, AFAIK, most 7-11 in Europe are actually open, you know, from 7-ish in the morning until like 11 in the evening*.
Cant speak about other countries, but here in germany the shops open around 9 and close about 7 in the evening.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Saral on 06 Oct 2014, 02:23
I feel that the necessary caution has forced Marten to take the lead, and be comfortable to set the pace he's comfortable with. Now he's trying to move ahead in the relationship. Still this is only one step forward.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 06 Oct 2014, 02:41
Whatever pace and direction he decides to proceed, it's nice to see Marten to take the initiative. Whether they go all wuvvy-duvvy or it's just a case of "I like what we have and want it to continue", it's going to be a positive step in their development.

Nevertheless:

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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 06 Oct 2014, 02:50
Nevertheless:

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I just assumed there was an unspoken rule about 'no memes' on the forum.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Oct 2014, 02:55
Marten is comfortable, and has a pretty good idea of what direction he'd like to take this.  But Claire is confused, and has been caught on the hop, not only by Marten, perhaps, but also by her own emotions.  I think that by now we can be confident enough that Marten will handle himself tolerably well, however this proceeds - so the more significant parts of the story that is now developing will be those about Claire, and how she will be able to recognise and cope with her feelings.

I just assumed there was an unspoken rule about 'no memes' on the forum.

Not a strict rule, but a sense of disapproval - which is written.  See here: point 6 (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27423.msg1056736.html#msg1056736).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 06 Oct 2014, 03:23
Please note the similarity in holding hands to #1191 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1191). But Jeph's hand drawing technique has deteriorated, he forgot to draw nails this time.

Again, if the universe is deterministic, I would assume Marten and Claire hook up for a short while, until Marten meets Gina Riversmith (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1334) or someone similar.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 03:24
Since when are you supposed to kiss HARD ?  :?

Yeah, kissing hard would be awkward at this stage.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 03:27
Maybe the kisses will be hard because of the lack of lips?  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 06 Oct 2014, 03:31
Maybe the kisses will be hard because of the lack of lips?  :lol:
:facepalm: Also, Marten should stay clear of Claire's dangerously sharp nose and chin.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 06 Oct 2014, 03:33
I just assumed there was an unspoken rule about 'no memes' on the forum.

Not a strict rule, but a sense of disapproval - which is written.  See here: point 6 (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27423.msg1056736.html#msg1056736).
Sorry, but nothing else seemed to be able to convey my thoughts, and squeeing just didn't cut it.

Warning - while you were typing a new meme has been created. You may wish to intercept and destroy it before it catches on.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 06 Oct 2014, 03:34
Hi there, long time lurker, first time poster.

I finally got an account to share my cynical projections about what is going to happen. I wanna preface this by saying that I am 100% invested in Claire and Marten happening, and have been so excited about it that on numerous occasions I have been woken up at five in the morning by my own enthusiasm to check for the next update. Admittedly, I wish I hadn't admitted that because now I sound like a huge nerd.

That being said, I don't think that this is where it is going. At least, not right now. My projection for tomorrow is that Marten will squeeze Claire's hand tightly, look deeply into her eyes and say, 'Hey, I'm sorry about yesterday, it wasn't your fault, I was drunk and overly handsy, it won't happen again, we still chill bro?', or something to that effect.

The reason I think that is because Marten is a total doof, god bless him. All these women have dug him in the past and he has been totally oblivious to every single one of them. I'm not so sure that Marten's big, beatific smile is because he is so super ready to make a commitment and say what he wants. I think he just has no idea what he has walked into. I think he went over to apologise to her because he knows that she is delicate and inexperienced and so, because he is a gorgeous darling, he didn't want to cause her anxiety or stress because of his actions. So he has gone over there to make sure she is okay and unharmed by his actions, when in fact he might be doing all the more damage by doing so. So he has gone over there, all cool and confident, because he is just gonna smooth things out and set his lovely friend's mind at ease, easy peasy.

That's what I think will happen. What I want to happen is the most epic and life changing kiss of all time, followed by a big wedding and thousands of babies. But I refuse to get my hopes up yet. [/pessimism]
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 06 Oct 2014, 03:45
From this comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2803), lt looks like what Marten is recalling is Claire looking soulfully into his eyes, and that tells me that there is more to his morning visit than just an apology. But i fear you might be right, Gnomeybum. Also, welcome!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 06 Oct 2014, 04:33
*Cue swelling music*

Right, boss.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bryntheskits on 06 Oct 2014, 04:51
This was Clairemum's plan aaaallllll along mwahahaaa
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 06 Oct 2014, 05:10
Hi there, long time lurker, first time poster.
Welcome to the madhouse!

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My projection for tomorrow is that Marten will squeeze Claire's hand tightly, look deeply into her eyes and say, 'Hey, I'm sorry about yesterday, it wasn't your fault, I was drunk and overly handsy, it won't happen again, we still chill bro?', or something to that effect.
If I wanted to say that, I don't think I've have grabbed her hand like he did. That would convey a mixed message.

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What I want to happen is the most epic and life changing kiss of all time, followed by a big wedding and thousands of babies.[/pessimism]
It won't be as easy as that. "The course of true love never did run smooth." quoth The Bard...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 06 Oct 2014, 05:13
But Jeph's hand drawing technique has deteriorated, he forgot to draw nails this time.
Eh, "forgetting a detail" isn't "has deteriorated" until it's a trend. For now I'm going with: "Claire is using the proper waterproof covering for Clinton's hand because: A) He's her little brother and she likes to prank him; B) It leaves no fingerprints and C) she intends to crack the safe in which the Smif library's Victorian Porn (TM) is kept, because that was HER evil plan all along.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 05:16
Well, Marten is smart enough to know Claire is attracted, he can be passive but not dumb.
And he is a nice guy, I can't see he going to Claire house only to say "Is better we be just friends". This would be very cruel, and if this are their plans he should be freaking out with fear of hurting Claire.
But, the situation is very complex. Some weeks ago he was overthinking if Emily was attracted for him, because she is a intern, as Claire. I can see he freaking out as the breakfast ends.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 06 Oct 2014, 05:17
Claire's blush indicates that she's smitten with Marten. An idea that has been germinating for some time.
Marten's gentle smile shows he really cares for Claire. Also an idea that has been germinating for some time. He's grown up. Husband material now.

If that's not falling in love, it will suffice.

As for Clairemom - accent is on the "mom". That's what she is. A mother. Yes, corny, old-fashioned, but the kind who would do anything for her kids, including going well outside her personal comfort zone. What she's doing now is more traditional and comforting, her unusual daughter has got a boyfriend, and from first impressions, he's rather sweet. A nice boy.

I expect the first kiss to be a tender one, Marten gently kissing Claire on the forehead, then looking deeply into her eyes. The second kiss.. perhaps better offscreen, give them some privacy.

squee
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 05:33
And if 2806 not have nails, the overall art is just way better than 1191.
Really, en 1191 the anatomy is just wrong and the clothes have no weight.
But we not read this comic because the draw, right? Well, take a look in 150 or 200. No way I read this comic because of the art.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 05:34
I'm still hoping that they decide to date formally before making any formal decisions vis a long-term relationship. This is mostly because I'm enough of an old romantic that the idea of Martin taking Claire out on the town and treating her like a woman whose happiness he values would be a wonderful thing to see and I think it is something that would do her the greatest good.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RaineThing on 06 Oct 2014, 05:39
My SQUEE cannot be contained!
I made the nose out-loud and am embarrassed now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 06 Oct 2014, 05:58
But Jeph's hand drawing technique has deteriorated, he forgot to draw nails this time.
  Uh-hu. "deteriorated" ? Its called artstyle.

I'm fairly sure Jeph still knows about fingernails, and I'm fairly sure they arent that hard to draw if he wanted to draw them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 06 Oct 2014, 06:00
MFW ClaireXMarten ship teases are going down.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10640994_10152830821700815_2297121092901258633_n.jpg?oh=7adb645de8406c7feb53eed943ba2dd7&oe=54CB12E9&__gda__=1420549526_fed148705927319ad6f92cfbb646f912)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 06:29
Besides, imagine what would happen at the library if they hook up? Fast forward about 30 years, and we have a repeat of this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1133) scene.

They'd probably become notorious with the students at Smif College. "Oh, It's Mr Reed and Ms Augustus! Yeah, thirty years and they're still acting like teens in love! Just take your insulin shots if you encounter them in a 'honeymoon' mood!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 06 Oct 2014, 06:34
BUT GAIZ. WHAT IS STEVE UP TO? THIS IS IMPORTANT GAIZ.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 06:51
BUT GAIZ. WHAT IS STEVE UP TO? THIS IS IMPORTANT GAIZ.

I would love to see Cosette's reaction to an army of leprechaun-bots marching in to deliver Steve's reward for saving that marketing bot from a packet of cereal!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 06 Oct 2014, 07:00
BUT GAIZ. WHAT IS STEVE UP TO? THIS IS IMPORTANT GAIZ.

Well, it's October, so probably BooBerry.  I hope this helped.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 06 Oct 2014, 07:06
Blushing Claire is going to be my new phone wallpaper... HOW CAN THIS END IN ANYTHING BUT HAPPIES?!?!

I refer you to real life, where there are no guarantees, and to the archives of this and other fine webcomics.

I would like some happies for these characters, but my wishes are no guarantee there will be a happy ending.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 07:07
Right, but this isn't real life, it's a quaint alternate reality with talking robots. I stand by my SQUEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 07:26
Right, but this isn't real life, it's a quaint alternate reality with talking robots. I stand by my SQUEE

In fairness, we have no idea what Jeph's long-term plan may be. For all we know, Marten and Claire may choose to remain friends, Dora and Tai may have a bad break-up, leading Dora to go back to Marten; Claire may then resume her underground guerilla war to persuade Hannelore to overcome her fears and date her brother!

Crazy? I'm just pointing out that we have no idea whatsoever where any of this is ultimately going!

FWIW, I have spent a little time puzzling over the sketch of Jeph's poster on his Tumblr account. Basically, it looks like Claire and Marten are standing far too close to be just friends and, no matter how closely I squint, I can't tell if Martin is gesturing or if Claire has hooked her arm through the crook of his elbow. This leads me to conclude that, at least in the medium-term, Marten and Claire are going to be a thing. The fact that Hannelore is apart from the rest of the cast and talking to them indicates to me that she will have a role too, possibly as their crazy neighbour, shades of Phoebe in Friends.

We really need a Questionable Content Kremlinology thread as a home for minute close analysis of art as well as Jeph's Tumblr and Twitter posts for clues as to the future direction of the strip!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 07:26
On one hand, the analytical side of me recognizes the silliness of trying to extrapolate how the story is going to go based on nuances as small as whether Marten looks particularly relaxed in Claire's presence today. 

On the other hand, I'm looking at my wall, where a print of the 2014 cast hangs (you can buy that here (http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-CASTPOSTER2014&Category_Code=QC), btw; it's awesome), and there are only two pairs of people that are standing in each other's 'personal space:'  Tai and Dora, and Marten and Claire.  Also (and this is REALLY GOING INTO BLOODY TINFOIL HAT TERRITORY), when I look at that print, I find myself wondering what Claire's other arm is up to.

More than anything else, that print is what makes me think this will (eventually) go well for Marten and Claire.  Mind you, I know how silly that is, but it gets me through to the next strip.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 07:27
Holy shit dude.  Jinx.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 06 Oct 2014, 07:33
I find myself wondering what Claire's other arm is up to.

This is Questionable Content, can her hand really be anywhere but on his butt?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Leveton on 06 Oct 2014, 07:35
I fall into the camp that if Marten was going to say let's just be friends, 1: he wouldn't have called her right away; 2: he wouldn't have accepted Clairemom's invitation for pancakes; and 3: he would be a lot more awkward than he is right now. I fully expect at least an "I like you and am willing to give it a try if you are" from Marten.

And I hardly care if we get a kiss, as long as there is more playing with Claire's hair and snuggling.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 07:40
And I hardly care if we get a kiss, as long as there is more playing with Claire's hair and snuggling.

I, on the other hand, can see a parallel to Marigold walking in on Angus and Faye snuggling on the couch (without the 'staring at the roomie's butt' element). Clinton walks past a snuggling/making out Marten and Claire and, basically, doesn't respond. Into the breakfast nook. "Morning, Mom!" "Morning dear!" First sip of coffee followed by...

SPIT TAKE!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 06 Oct 2014, 07:52
OK, I was fine with what was going on in the comic but now that I'm in the forum I'm confused.

Marten and Claire are going to hold hands and go to a 7-11 in Germany? Wast is dos?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 06 Oct 2014, 07:59
I'm still hoping that they decide to date formally before making any formal decisions vis a long-term relationship. This is mostly because I'm enough of an old romantic that the idea of Martin taking Claire out on the town and treating her like a woman whose happiness he values would be a wonderful thing to see and I think it is something that would do her the greatest good.

I would love a week of them just spending time around town, being adorable.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 08:05

OK, I was fine with what was going on in the comic but now that I'm in the forum I'm confused.

Marten and Claire are going to hold hands and go to a 7-11 in Germany? Wast is dos?

But not after 9 and not on Sunday, because of a combo of worker protection laws and religious traditions
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 06 Oct 2014, 08:08

OK, I was fine with what was going on in the comic but now that I'm in the forum I'm confused.

Marten and Claire are going to hold hands and go to a 7-11 in Germany? Wast is dos?

But not after 9 and not on Sunday, because of a combo of worker protection laws and religious traditions
Nonono, you got that wrong. The religious tradition is that they aren't allowed to dance on Good Friday.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 08:10
So if someone is walking down the street on Good Friday and gets a tune in their head and starts dancing a little, do they get a fine or something?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Honkytonk on 06 Oct 2014, 08:12
This needs Kevin Bacon.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Oct 2014, 08:14

OK, I was fine with what was going on in the comic but now that I'm in the forum I'm confused.

Marten and Claire are going to hold hands and go to a 7-11 in Germany? Wast is dos?

But not after 9 and not on Sunday, because of a combo of worker protection laws and religious traditions

Ok, most threads just get derailed.  This one split into two parallel tracks tht have merged back together with this post. 

Firs sighting of a thread siding, y'all. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 06 Oct 2014, 08:25
Also I'm not saying this as a mod because it's not against policy, but holy shit I hate that small text gag so much. Just use a spoiler tag, the joke still works and is much less obnoxious.

Can we make it aginst policy?  Pretty please?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Oct 2014, 08:30
More effective would be to simply force a minimum text size.  There's currently no facility to do this, but I'm already investigating this possibility of creating one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 08:31
Marten may be a cool, collected customer for once in his life (and frankly his extreme zen is starting to damage my own calm), but I can see Claire possibly pulling away and/or freakin' out.  Stupid anxiety.

In re: "Cool, calm, collected Marten", I submit the following: The Talk, Part 10 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=509)

Marten was incredibly cool about the whole thing. And, by the way, this was where the comic completely turned.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ankhtahr on 06 Oct 2014, 08:48
So if someone is walking down the street on Good Friday and gets a tune in their head and starts dancing a little, do they get a fine or something?

Well, from what I know it's only applicable to events, which also includes clubs, bars, etc. But then you can be fined with up to 1500€. It's probably only given to the person who organised it though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Oct 2014, 08:51
We really need a Questionable Content Kremlinology thread as a home for minute close analysis of art as well as Jeph's Tumblr and Twitter posts for clues as to the future direction of the strip!

Dude, we have one of those literally every single week. We call it the "Weekly Comic Discussion Thread".  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 06 Oct 2014, 09:12
So if someone is walking down the street on Good Friday and gets a tune in their head and starts dancing a little, do they get a fine or something?

Well, from what I know it's only applicable to events, which also includes clubs, bars, etc. But then you can be fined with up to 1500€. It's probably only given to the person who organised it though.
Is that country-wide, or only in some states?  And I must say, gawds, I wouldn't want someone else's religion to *EVER* dictate what I can or cannot do unless it harmed another.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 09:14
Attention: The following Anti Squee Statement has been spoilered for your protection.

Do not look at if you don't want your squee mellow harshed.

You Have Been Warned.

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 09:14
Hedgie - Seriously. I can understand the Sunday thing, because even if it's based in religion, it has other reasons for existing (well, not the choice of day, but one day a week where nobody can/has to work). Of course that only makes sense if living wages are standard, which isn't the case in the States.

The Good Friday thing is inexcusable, though.

Tuba - That's not a handshake. Also...who handshakes a friend?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 09:23
Duderino! you spoiled my spoiler!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 09:24

Marten may be a cool, collected customer for once in his life (and frankly his extreme zen is starting to damage my own calm), but I can see Claire possibly pulling away and/or freakin' out.  Stupid anxiety.

In re: "Cool, calm, collected Marten", I submit the following: The Talk, Part 10 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=509)

Marten was incredibly cool about the whole thing. And, by the way, this was where the comic completely turned.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=511

Weirdly the next strip features post big moment reheated frozen breakfast food.  THE CONVERGENCE HAS BEGUN.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 09:25
C'mon people. He went to her house the very next morning. This isn't a just friends thing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Oct 2014, 09:30
Marten blivving out (*) is terrifyingly plausible.

(*) Phrase courtesy of Akima.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 09:31
You're not the first person to bring up the handshake angle :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: zioninavision on 06 Oct 2014, 09:35
I am fascinated by the vague yet prominent parallel universe senses between QC and Alice Grove; i am not sure it will be ongoing, but just that it has existed for any amount of time is very awesome.   :-)   
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: zioninavision on 06 Oct 2014, 09:39
All of this has seemingly happened before Marten has met with Emily again   :psyduck: :psyduck:
What will happen?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 09:43
The fact that Marten's shown as much growth as he has, and finally seems to know what he wants (based on the evidence thus far) leaves me waiting for the other shoe to drop, and thinking it's going to be Claire's footwear hitting the floor rather than Marten's. I hasten to add, I'd love to be wrong on this point.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 09:47
Also...who handshakes a friend?

'Claire, about last night. I think we should just be professional acquaintances'
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 09:50
All of this has seemingly happened before Marten has met with Emily again   :psyduck: :psyduck:
What will happen?

I got the impression that Marten had decided to leave the ball in Emily's court with that one. He'd do the "professional boundaries" thing if and when she made another move.

But, yeah, if he plans to do anything with Claire, he'll have to rewrite the speech or he'll be a blazing hypocrite.

That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual? She just doesn't seem to have responded in that way to anyone! It just doesn't seem to be something that is in her mind.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 09:50
I can definitely see Claire being cautious (i.e., the question of what they do with one another may not be resolved in the next week or longer), but I don't think she will actively backpedal, either.  The impression I get is that the only reason she didn't apply smooches to Marten the night before is because he was drunk, so I think she's pretty clear on what she wants as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: brew on 06 Oct 2014, 09:59

That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual? She just doesn't seem to have responded in that way to anyone! It just doesn't seem to be something that is in her mind.

She said she liked seeing Marten shirtless.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 10:00
You're not the first person to bring up the handshake angle :roll:

Ah. So noted. I thought I was about to disrupt an uninterrupted chain of squee and I was trying to be cute about it.

'Claire, about last night. I think we should just be professional acquaintances'

Given that they work together, a handshake used this way would be a (probably sadly) memorable way to shift things (away from where I hope this is going). I don't think it's so far-fetched that Jeph would inflict that upon us.  :evil:

That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual?
She said she liked seeing Marten shirtless.

She paid to grab Steve's butt. Edit: Dammit I should read more carefully before I post.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 10:01
Quote
That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual? She just doesn't seem to have responded in that way to anyone! It just doesn't seem to be something that is in her mind.

Asexuality is the last problem with Emily. She have some serious mental issues, including a alarming (and potentially dangerous) lack of sense of consequence.

And if she not made a move, I cant see she thinking sex is a boring thing. A relationship otherwise... She can't manage one being so carefree. As she discover fuckbuddies her sex life tend to be much active.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 10:01
She have some serious mental issues, including a alarming (and potentially dangerous) lack of sense of consequence.
Wait, what?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Oct 2014, 10:06
That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual?
She said she liked seeing Marten shirtless.

She paid to grab Steve's butt.

No, that was Claire.

Emily was rather flirty with Marten when she was drunk at the lake house, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 10:08
Zebediah: Doh. I should read more carefully. *drinks more coffee*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 06 Oct 2014, 10:23
I'm really scared it's going to be just holding hands for reassurance, and a 'you're great but let's forget about that' type thing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mr_Rose on 06 Oct 2014, 10:29
The next comic cuts to marten floating about the library all squeeface'd for three panels while Tai looks on in mock horror.
Then the last panel is an emergency ambulance rushing past a street sign for "Elm Street"

The comic title is "Dun dun DUUUNNN"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: st08 on 06 Oct 2014, 10:39
Like others have pointed out, the fact that Marten is being so unbelievably zen and that he accepted Clairemom's invitation to come over for breakfast leads me to believe he is not about to say "let's just be friends." My guess is he'll say something along the lines of indicating that he's open to the possibility of something between them but not wanting to rush/pressure Claire if she needs time to figure out what's best for her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 06 Oct 2014, 10:40
The next three weeks (minimum) the issue is left hanging for us.  Claire and Marten are shown going about their usual business with perfectly normal expressions on their faces.  They interact pretty much as they did prior to this night out.  None of the other characters comment on any changes there as there are other things occupying their minds (the Winslow/Pintsize/Momo/May .mp4 that is suddenly making the rounds, or the return of the Vespavenger).

Only after that will the aftermath be revealed.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Leveton on 06 Oct 2014, 10:41
That said, am I the only one that thinks Emily is borderline asexual? She just doesn't seem to have responded in that way to anyone! It just doesn't seem to be something that is in her mind.

Even if she is asexual, asexual is not the same as aromantic. I still don't think she meant anything by it, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 10:43
The next three weeks (minimum) the issue is left hanging for us.
...
Only after that will the aftermath be revealed.


We find out tomorrow that it's not Marten and Claire's hands being shown in that panel...

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 06 Oct 2014, 10:54
Related to Emily, I freaking love the idea of her being asexual.  My best friend is an ace so I'm all about ace representation.  I think her saying she likes Marten without a shirt was more to gross out Sam than anything.

Even if not,  aesthetic attraction is a thing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rubick on 06 Oct 2014, 11:02
God, this little story plot has been really well done. Too much squeeing, indeed.

I think most likely, Marten will admit to feelings he has for Claire and will say that if she's nervous or trepidatious, he can give her time until she's ready to make that step. To which Claire will interrupt him mid-sentence with a kiss.

AND THEN WE ALL DIE FROM THE HAPPINESS/  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 06 Oct 2014, 11:03
I'm not sure where people are getting this whole "shaking her hand" think from, or that his hand grasp is in no way an intimate gesture.

If Marten was actually trying to tell her that he wasn't interested, or something of that nature, wouldn't he not want to touch her and physically distance himself? Seems to be the exact opposite of what is happening.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 06 Oct 2014, 11:03
The only reasonable explanation is that Marten wants this to go forward, but wants to talk it over with Claire

If he is doing all of this, smiling like a moron, going to her home, taking her hand etc, he is an oblivious moron. More than he has ever been before. And given the amount of character growth we have seen, I doubt that is what is going on. The best solution is that he wants to talk, but he also wants it to move forward. If he agreed to go home to her, talk to her mom, talk to Claire in her sleeping wear and all this only to shut her down, Marten reed is a moron.

Also, have we discussed what Marten and Clairemom might have talked about before Claire got up? She said that Claire talks about Marten all the time and Martens smile might indicate that Clairemom basically gave her approval or gave marten the confidence he needs to move forward.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Oct 2014, 11:04
I'm not sure the world could take that much squeeing at once. The crust of the earth would crack, and we would be sent into 1000 years of darkness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 11:06
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I think most likely, Marten will admit to feelings he has for Claire and will say that if she's nervous or trepidatious, he can give her time until she's ready to make that step. To which Claire will interrupt him mid-sentence with a kiss.

If this happens, I will buy you ten of whatever you're drinking/eating.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 06 Oct 2014, 11:10
Also, have we discussed what Marten and Clairemom might have talked about before Claire got up? She said that Claire talks about Marten all the time and Martens smile might indicate that Clairemom basically gave her approval or gave marten the confidence he needs to move forward.

An interesting thought. Maybe we will find out if things go well?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 06 Oct 2014, 11:20
I find myself wondering what Claire's other arm is up to.

This is Questionable Content, can her hand really be anywhere but on his butt?
In strip #2736 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2736), I had a theory that Emily grabbed Marten's butt :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 11:21
Her reach was similar to Delilah's :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 11:27
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In strip #2736, I had a theory that Emily grabbed Marten's butt
I can see booth arms in #2736. If Emily grabbed something that was not the butt.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 11:36
My theory is that Emily didn't actually make skin-to-skin contact with Marten; she just put her lips close to his face and whispered: "Smooch!" That breath across his cheek would have felt weird, which would explain Marten's pole-axed expression. A kiss would have made him react in surprise but not create a processor lock like that!

It just strikes me that Emily would have created her idea of how to kiss from cartoons and comic books. So, saying 'smooch' as an alliterative sound-effect would actually be the right way to do it in her mind.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 11:36
I think she kissed him and then said "smooch".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 06 Oct 2014, 11:37
Her reach was similar to Delilah's :roll:
No, Delilah was definitely grabbing something else (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2627).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 11:43
Oh right, she wasn't reaching from the side. Oh well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 06 Oct 2014, 11:46
I'm probably not the first to note this, but in response to a lot of posts about the recurring Pancakes = Happy Romance Times motif, don't forget about this:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1082

Incidentally, the lead up to this, in which Hanners writes a note to Sven (Comic #1080) is one of my all-time favorite QC strips.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HiFranc on 06 Oct 2014, 11:49
Whilst I hope that they do start dating, my prediction is that Marten stresses that he likes her company whatever happens and asks Claire out.  She indicates that she feels uncomfortable with that at the moment.  Marten reminds her that he's OK being friendds and then they come to an agreement that Marten will wait until she is comfortable with it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 11:50
Whilst I hope that they do start dating, my prediction is that Marten stresses that he likes her company whatever happens and asks Claire out.  She indicates that she feels uncomfortable with that at the moment.  Marten reminds her that he's OK being friendds and then they come to an agreement that Marten will wait until she is comfortable with it.

In other words, re-using the arrangement that Marten had with Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 11:51
I'm not sure where people are getting this whole "shaking her hand" think from, or that his hand grasp is in no way an intimate gesture.

If you look at a google image search for 'handshake'  (http://tinyurl.com/nrp7wsc)then you might see the same similarities that I do.

Sure...it's still intimate, but two hands by themselves in that orientation serve as sort of a rorschach when isolated. There's a delightful ambiguity.

I'm just saying the situation could go a lot of different ways and Jeph has given us a Monday cliffhanger. (that I'm enjoying!!!)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HiFranc on 06 Oct 2014, 11:56
Whilst I hope that they do start dating, my prediction is that Marten stresses that he likes her company whatever happens and asks Claire out.  She indicates that she feels uncomfortable with that at the moment.  Marten reminds her that he's OK being friendds and then they come to an agreement that Marten will wait until she is comfortable with it.

In other words, re-using the arrangement that Marten had with Faye.

Not quite, Faye asked Marten not to wait for her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: evilQuälgeist on 06 Oct 2014, 12:07
 :laugh:

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAW  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Euthemes on 06 Oct 2014, 12:12
After this gros plan,  it will be cruel (especially for Claire, let alone... us) if they don't end up k-i-s-s-i-n-g.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 12:13
Re.: The 'handshake'. We'll have to wait and see but my gut feeling was that Marten was taking Claire's hand to lead her over to the couch or something so they could sit and talk. However, I think he knew how nervous she was (because he is too) and he was using that old human instinct of physical contact to offer reassurance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 12:16
Only one thing:
What are the signs of Claire isn't "not ready"? This is a very wild guess because she is trans in my opinion. In our last physical interaction there is only "you are drunk and will regret this" ant I think anyone would freak out a little with this sudden breakfast as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 06 Oct 2014, 12:18
Seriously, if the next comic isn't just Marten saying, "Let's do this," then kissing her so hard the windows and doors blow out, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.
Since when are you supposed to kiss HARD ?  :?

I didn't mean physically. Buncha literalists around here :P

I meant like kiss and there's an anime-style squee-splosion that drops the roof in a neighboring county. I think it's a fairly simple request.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 12:22
A boring handshake doesn't deserve a dramatic final panel and an " :o " from Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 12:23
Eh, last thing then Imma shut up 'cause I'm posting too much.  I don't care if they kiss, hug, snuggle or play hopscotch - what I really, really want to see is Claire floating three feet above the ground in exactly the way a brick does not, because she's loved and in love.

I got hopes for Marty too, but my soft spot is for Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HiFranc on 06 Oct 2014, 12:33
Only one thing:
What are the signs of Claire isn't "not ready"? This is a very wild guess because she is trans in my opinion. In our last physical interaction there is only "you are drunk and will regret this" ant I think anyone would freak out a little with this sudden breakfast as well.

The look of utter panic on her face in the penultimate panel, the fact that she told Faye that a relationship would be wrong due to their close working relationship and, from what everyone else says, this would be her first relationship.

The fact that she pointed out that he was drunk means that she can be assertive and level headed.  The fact that she's freaking out now is informative in that regard.

I suspect that she needs time to get used to the idea that someone she likes reciprocates those feelings.

{edited: corrected grammar}
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrClef on 06 Oct 2014, 12:34
My prediction:

Marten clasps Claire's hands together.

Marten: "Look, I'm sorry I was acting like a drunk idiot last night. I took some liberties I shouldn't have, and I know that in our current working situation, it wouldn't be morally proper. But I really think you're an awesome person and I hope that after your internship ends, we can start dating then."

Claire: "That's really reasonable."

Marten: "You were a good influence."

<beat panel>

GIANT KISSES AND MAKEOUTS IMMEDIATELY ENSUE.

Claire <disheveled and grinning>: "Screw being reasonable."

Marten <disheveled and panting>: "Y-yes ma'am!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 12:37
With her mom in the next room?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 12:39
Crack prediction for distant future:

First meeting between Veronica and Mrs A gets awkward (for the children) when it turns out the two worked the same strip club when they were in college together. Mrs A met Clinton and Claire's dad and 'went straight' whilst Veronica's life just got wilder and crazier until she woke up one morning, realised it had been all empty and then emailed Jim that she wanted to meet him face-to-face.

"Vee!"

"Lex!"

"SQUEEEEEE!!!" ((Sis-hugs happen whilst Marten and Claire look on in amazement))
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bryntheskits on 06 Oct 2014, 12:42
More effective would be to simply force a minimum text size.  There's currently no facility to do this, but I'm already investigating this possibility of creating one.

Could always just disable changing the text size (somewhere in the admin area you can disable certain BB codes), but if you didn't want to do that only thing I could think of would be editing the source code itself (just looked through it and it shouldn't be too hard to change). Source code of SMF has some great comments as well :P

(http://i.imgur.com/Sk8GkkO.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 06 Oct 2014, 12:43
My prediction:

Marten clasps Claire's hands together.

Marten: "Look, I'm sorry I was acting like a drunk idiot last night. I took some liberties I shouldn't have, and I know that in our current working situation, it wouldn't be morally proper. But I really think you're an awesome person and I hope that after your internship ends, we can start dating then."

Claire: "That's really reasonable."

Marten: "You were a good influence."

<beat panel>

GIANT KISSES AND MAKEOUTS IMMEDIATELY ENSUE.

Claire <disheveled and grinning>: "Screw being reasonable."

Marten <disheveled and panting>: "Y-yes ma'am!"

I think everyone is secretly/not-so-secretly hoping for this. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrClef on 06 Oct 2014, 12:44
Crack prediction for distant future:

First meeting between Veronica and Mrs A gets awkward (for the children) when it turns out the two worked the same strip club when they were in college together. Mrs A met Clinton and Claire's dad and 'went straight' whilst Veronica's life just got wilder and crazier until she woke up one morning, realised it had been all empty and then emailed Jim that she wanted to meet him face-to-face.

"Vee!"

"Lex!"

"SQUEEEEEE!!!" ((Sis-hugs happen whilst Marten and Claire look on in amazement))

Change Mrs. A's name to "Clarice" and you'd have a callback to this: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2383
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 12:59
Like others have pointed out, the fact that Marten is being so unbelievably zen and that he accepted Clairemom's invitation to come over for breakfast leads me to believe he is not about to say "let's just be friends." My guess is he'll say something along the lines of indicating that he's open to the possibility of something between them but not wanting to rush/pressure Claire if she needs time to figure out what's best for her.

DING! This is what my money's on.


...If, of course, there were betting lines on webcomics. Which is seriously a bad idea. Don't do it, people.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bryntheskits on 06 Oct 2014, 13:00
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2383
I miss the messy textured hair look
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 13:01
Me too.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 13:02
Whilst I hope that they do start dating, my prediction is that Marten stresses that he likes her company whatever happens and asks Claire out.  She indicates that she feels uncomfortable with that at the moment.  Marten reminds her that he's OK being friendds and then they come to an agreement that Marten will wait until she is comfortable with it.

In other words, re-using the arrangement that Marten had with Faye.

....I already said that, didn't I?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 13:20
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The look of utter panic on her face in the penultimate panel
Is basically the same in the last three trips. It's a awkward situation. Mom, pyjamas and a unresolved crush. Plus she being introvert and all.
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the fact that she told Faye that a relationship would be wrong due to their close working relationship
Not means "not ready", only means she have restrictions because the professional situation.
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and, from what everyone else says, this would be her first relationship.
Also not means "not ready".

I really can see she saying no, but not for being "not ready" for a relationship.
Sure she have issues to work out, and sure this relationship can not work (They have a really small common ground to stand) at all or even not start (I doubt. There was so many signals this will happen) but, to me, Claire is way, waaaay more capable of holding a relationship than... Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 06 Oct 2014, 13:36
The next three weeks (minimum) the issue is left hanging for us.  Claire and Marten are shown going about their usual business with perfectly normal expressions on their faces.  They interact pretty much as they did prior to this night out.  None of the other characters comment on any changes there as there are other things occupying their minds (the Winslow/Pintsize/Momo/May .mp4 that is suddenly making the rounds, or the return of the Vespavenger).

Only after that will the aftermath be revealed.
That would be Awesome.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 06 Oct 2014, 14:36
dear god, no one tell Jeph
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: greywolfe on 06 Oct 2014, 14:39
Hands - every comic artist's nemesis.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 06 Oct 2014, 15:09
I was going to say, "... and horses," but a comic can get by with a poorly drawn horse. All you have to do is say it's a cartoon horse. A badly drawn hand, though, can ruin an otherwise well-done piece of art. Even when the artist doesn't intend, viewers look to a hand to express something.

When I'd watch Jeph's livestream, I'd see him redraw a hand three, four times, almost without fail. You never feel like you've drawn a hand quite right. I do the same thing.

Books on drawing devote whole chapters to hands. Whole books, even.

Hands. rrrgh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 15:10
I think she kissed him and then said "smooch".

Or it could be like Sven's "Sheen" (sorry, can't find the damn strip). Using a word you wouldn't usually use in a place where you'd usually put, say, a "Poof" or a "Whoosh," for instance.

EDIT: Found it. http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1078 (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1078)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 15:20
One of the worst drawn hands that I've seen is in an otherwise beautiful tarot deck - one of the cards has the image on a six-fingered archer on it which somehow evaded the art editorial process.  (For those who care, the deck is the Wildwood Tarot).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 06 Oct 2014, 15:22
Dang, Marten is skinny.

I can't wait to see Marten and Claire figure things out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 06 Oct 2014, 15:35
A positive thing I was thinking of, harking back to the discussion from a little while ago about Claire's feelings towards Marten's o.n.s with Delilah, is that she has seen him open and vulnerable about relationships now.

Some folks seemed to think that seeing him post-Dee was a bad thing but what it actually could have been was a vehicle for Claire to see that he wants something real and honest and true. For someone like Claire, who is inexperienced and pretty shy about affaires de coeur, it might have been what she needed to see that, when Marten is reaching out to her emotionally now, he means it and truly wants her, not just someone to fill the void, you know?

Hopefully this post was a bit less pessimistic than my first one  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 15:38
I think she kissed him and then said "smooch".

Or it could be like Sven's "Sheen" (sorry, can't find the damn strip). Using a word you wouldn't usually use in a place where you'd usually put, say, a "Poof" or a "Whoosh," for instance.

EDIT: Found it. http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1078 (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1078)
Except that was clearly a sound effect, while "smooch" was in a speech bubble :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 15:38
"One of the worst drawn hands..."  I meant to preface that with "Yes, hands are really tough."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 16:06
Except Marten said with all letters, "kissed me", not "made some strange thing".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Honkytonk on 06 Oct 2014, 16:20
Why can't tomorrow just come and save us from all this supposition?

I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to another edition of any comic, ever. I just hope to god it's a Steve eating cereal one because if it isn't I am going to throw the toys out of the pram.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 06 Oct 2014, 16:33
I'm not sure where people are getting this whole "shaking her hand" think from, or that his hand grasp is in no way an intimate gesture.

If you look at a google image search for 'handshake'  (http://tinyurl.com/nrp7wsc)then you might see the same similarities that I do.

Sure...it's still intimate, but two hands by themselves in that orientation serve as sort of a rorschach when isolated. There's a delightful ambiguity.

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1944wwe4w6oznjpg/original.jpg)

A reasonable assessment all told however you could argue the angle is terrible for a handshake for one, but two and far more important we have an EXCELLENT reason to assume he is not shaking her hand. Because that makes NO SENSE whatsoever in ANY social context vaguely like the one they're currently in. A handshake at the end of the conversation? Maybe though I would see that as incredibly awkward, but a nervous night after "X" (X being romantic something or another between two previously single individuals) occurring conversation when one party is far more calm than the other, the social cue of the day is NOT a handshake. Especially between socially well adjusted individuals with a previously established close relationship. However, holding their hand in a reassuring manner, no matter what follows conversationally makes much more sense. So if we follow standard North American social behavior (and both Claire and Martenfriend are pretty socially well adjusted) and Occam's Razor Marten is not going for a handshake.

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080902204435/aceattorney/images/3/3e/Takethat.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 16:40
Well I guess I just got told.

Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arkantos on 06 Oct 2014, 16:42
Well I guess I just got told.

Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).
I'm not surprised something like that exists, but still, what even.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: downtowneddie on 06 Oct 2014, 16:46
I'm not in the handshake camp. (Oh, hi, new person here. Longtime reader of Q.C., new to join this forum.) Basic contextual clues would lead us to believe Marten is reaching out to hold Claire's hand, not to shake it. Nicely said, GarandMarine.


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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zwammy on 06 Oct 2014, 16:59
Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).

That is hilarious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 06 Oct 2014, 17:06
Well I guess I just got told.

Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).
I'm not surprised something like that exists, but still, what even.
Sorry.  That specimen escaped from the lab and started breeding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 17:07
Well I guess I just got told.

Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).
I'm not surprised something like that exists, but still, what even.

I got it from Jeph's twitter feed:
[tweet]518828372424921088[/tweet]

At first I wasn't sure why I posted it but upon reflection I guess it's my way of saying that making sense in a given social context may not be Jeph's first priority in storytelling... And I like his stuff because of that, not in spite of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 18:05
Simple reason it isn't a handshake: Martens fingers are curled. That's a gentle caress not a flat-palmed handshake.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 18:16
That is what we call "taking a girl gently by the hand."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 18:40

Well I guess I just got told.

Now go look at some worst cats (http://worstcats.tumblr.com/).

Congrats, you've broken me, I can't stop giggling
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 18:41
Comic's nearly up (blank space at the moment).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arkantos on 06 Oct 2014, 18:42
COMICS(!) ARE UP.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 06 Oct 2014, 18:43
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: epmin on 06 Oct 2014, 18:43
Queue epic squeeing from now until the planet implodes.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 18:44
TODAYS COMIC IS BLANK SPACE NOOOOOO
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 18:44
Perfect answers :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 06 Oct 2014, 18:44
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
Omgomgomg!!!!
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 18:46
This makes me irrationally happy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: downtowneddie on 06 Oct 2014, 18:46
One word, followed by one caveat: YAY!

I have never (ever!) become so invested in the plot line of any work of fiction before. Thank you, Jeph, for creating Q.C. and drawing us all in like Marten, Claire, Faye, and everyone there are our best friends.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 18:46
Ok then.

Only five seven red text replies. You guys are slipping.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arkantos on 06 Oct 2014, 18:46
S.S. ClaireMarten, now leaving port, hauling over 9000 tons of squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aliensporebomb on 06 Oct 2014, 18:46
Did the site just break?  Current comic refuses to load!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AJ_ on 06 Oct 2014, 18:47
There are two comics!
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aquaisces on 06 Oct 2014, 18:48
The comic isn't loading, but there's lots of squee happening!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 18:49
Did the site just break?  Current comic refuses to load!

I'd guess that with a ton of us all hitting F5 repeatedly and more or less simultaneously, it took a bit to iron out. Stick with it. It'll load.

Unrelated thing, I'm loving the progression of Claire's face in this comic. Especially that last frame...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 18:49
I'm getting future comic but not todays comic. I think I had a kiss spoiled :o

Edit: There it is!

(click to show/hide)
Title: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 18:49
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


I don't think I can handle this much


Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It's all been worth it!!!

Eeeeeeeeee!


Edit: I CANT DECIDE WHICH FRAME TO MAKE MY PHONE BACKGROUND IM SUPER VEXED
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Orkboy on 06 Oct 2014, 18:49
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c0d55f965089318e89f6e4eeb135660a/tumblr_mryooxWFcK1qm34qno1_400.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Oct 2014, 18:50
If it's not loading for you, click "Previous" and then "Next".

Or just click here:  http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2807 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2807)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 18:51
This makes me irrationally happy.

I'm feeling that too - but there is nothing irrational about it.  In a world (our world) that is seeming to fall ever more deeply into division and horror, Jeph is offering us a vision of honest, inclusive love between two people - or at least, the potential for that kind of love.  I've been coming to this strip for a dose of hopefulness for many weeks now, never more so than today :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cypher on 06 Oct 2014, 18:51
Long-time reader, hopeful follower of recent developments.

...

Yessssssssssss (End of Hanners impression)

Seriously though- I'm not only happy with this positive happening, but with what seems to be Marten's considerable recent character development. No sign of his usual wishy-washiness here!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyzer on 06 Oct 2014, 18:52
For those of you who can't see the comic yet: http://imgur.com/J6XI0NE

Apparently the next comic in line has also been uploaded, but I figure that one can wait.

Or just click here: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2807

I tried that, it didn't work at first. Rewriting it to 2808 let me see the comic from the future though. >_>
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 18:52
Cache servers. Different cache servers.

Also...

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

And I even missed the second comic (2808) at first.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arkantos on 06 Oct 2014, 18:53
I believe we are approaching peak squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Oct 2014, 18:54
ahem.. WOOOO! YESSSS! *happy dance*

I think Orkboy said it best, really.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 18:54
I sense a disturbance in the force... like millions upon millions of webcomic readers suddenly squeeed at once...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 18:55
A+ indeed.  Thanks, Jeph, for doing it better than I coulda hoped.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 18:56
This makes me irrationally happy.

I'm feeling that too - but there is nothing irrational about it.  In a world (our world) that is seeming to fall ever more deeply into division and horror, Jeph is offering us a vision of honest, inclusive love between two people - or at least, the potential for that kind of love.  I've been coming to this strip for a dose of hopefulness for many weeks now, never more so than today :-)

Couldn't have happened to two nicer people.

For those of you who can't see the comic yet: http://imgur.com/J6XI0NE

Apparently the next comic in line has also been uploaded, but I figure that one can wait.

Or just click here: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2807

I tried that, it didn't work at first. Rewriting it to 2808 let me see the comic from the future though. >_>

I actually got 2808 first (didn't realize I'd missed 2807). Made me think the kiss took place off-frame. Works either way, and the end result -- thankfully -- is the same.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: justonequestion on 06 Oct 2014, 18:57
Redacted on account of my own ignorance.

Sorry guys.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HeavyP on 06 Oct 2014, 18:57
I think I just woke up every other unit in my apartment complex with my "FUCK YES!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: justonequestion on 06 Oct 2014, 18:59
Also, what do you guys make of the title: "Nose Grows Some." Is this a Pinocchio reference? Is Marten lying?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 06 Oct 2014, 19:00
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c0d55f965089318e89f6e4eeb135660a/tumblr_mryooxWFcK1qm34qno1_400.gif)

THIS ALL OF THIS SO MUCH OF THIS.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 19:00
Oh, and she does, indeed, have lips. :)  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:00
I don't know. Thoughts?
Global Moderator Comment This is not something we discuss here
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 19:00
Okay, so, I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but this is literally the only reason I've come to the forums.

I'll preface by saying I'm pleased with the recent developments.

I'll conclude by asking if we now where Claire is in her transition process. As far as I'm aware we just know that she's been taking the hormones. This confuses me, because though it's cool that Marten is cool with her status, a major aspect of Marten's relationships have been sexual. So, either Claire has had her operation and I missed it or Marten is not as straight as I thought, or he's just cool with being cuddle buddies in the meantime.

I don't know. Thoughts?

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:02
Also, what do you guys make of the title: "Nose Grows Some." Is this a Pinocchio reference? Is Marten lying?

I'm looking intently at Claire's nose. Does it grow larger by the last panel?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:02
Thank you for that, Azira.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:02
I, I have no words... what a ride this comic has been
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: grouchygizmo on 06 Oct 2014, 19:03
Ok, I might be silly here- has Jeph ever posted two pages at once before?

Plus, Squee.

Plus, great writing!!

Plus, SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 19:03
I actually think it's intentional, given that the homepage goes to 2807, yet next actually works and goes to 2808. And, I don't think he's ever done that before.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nyithra on 06 Oct 2014, 19:05
Oh my god. It happened. I can die happy now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 19:05
Also, pyjamas on front door.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 19:05
There's only one question left.

Does he love her enough to laugh at her puns?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 19:06
Also, this may be the first time it's ever felt natural for Marten to get involved with someone, come to think of it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: justonequestion on 06 Oct 2014, 19:06
My apparently ignorant comment. :/

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.

Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize. I apologize if I offended anyone.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Estron on 06 Oct 2014, 19:07
Oh, and she does, indeed, have lips. :)  :claireface:

At least in profile.   :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: st08 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:08
Also, what do you guys make of the title: "Nose Grows Some." Is this a Pinocchio reference? Is Marten lying?

It is the title of a song from Thom Yorke's recent album "Tomorrow's Modern Boxes" that came out like a week ago.

Also, SQUEEEEE
Title: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 19:08
The titles are a bit odd, nose grows some and hatch the plan? Odd.

I too squinted to see if Claire's nose changed size lol
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:09
Ok, I might be silly here- has Jeph ever posted two pages at once before?

He once posted a six panel comic (this one: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=564) because he "Didn't want to drag this one out over the weekend."

And that was before he changed the comic layout to incorporate more than four panels.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RyanW1019 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:10
Woah. To be completely honest, I didn't expect that, especially not so quickly. But it happened! Marten confessed his feelings! They kissed! And Claire didn't freak out! Holy crap!!!

(http://myrdin.co/uploads/it's%20happening.gif)

Additionally, does anybody know if the next one is Wednesday's comic or if it's a double comic Tuesday?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Oct 2014, 19:10
Yay! I was wrong!

squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 19:11
Well, 2808 gone down.

EDIT
No, not reachable by interface, but the direct link stills working.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Estron on 06 Oct 2014, 19:11
Wow.  How satisfying.  I actually felt happy just to be viewing two comic strips on my computer. 

And it was my strategy to read the comments section until the new posts started in with the OMGs, the DAWWWs, and of course, the SQUEEs.

Finally,

Thank you, Jeph!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 19:13
My apparently ignorant comment. :/

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.

Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize. I apologize if I offended anyone.

What about Pintsize Momo and May robot bits? 00101010101001000111100  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 19:13
The link to tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has been removed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smashwidget on 06 Oct 2014, 19:13
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c0d55f965089318e89f6e4eeb135660a/tumblr_mryooxWFcK1qm34qno1_400.gif)

THIS ALL OF THIS SO MUCH OF THIS.
/AGREE
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 19:15
Well, 2808 gone down.

EDIT
No, not reachable by interface, but the direct link stills working.
Not quite. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/2808.png)
I just tried and it worked.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:16
That it did.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Border Reiver on 06 Oct 2014, 19:19
Ladies and Gentlemen, I admit it freely - I called it wrong - Jeph did not string us along.


Questions, comments, queries , problems, bitches, rude gestures and/or remarks
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 06 Oct 2014, 19:21
OH MY... I DON'T...

AUGHUGHGUHGUHGUAHGH

I don't think I'll be able to sleep now. My mind, she is blown.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 06 Oct 2014, 19:21
There's only one question left.

Does he love her enough to laugh at her puns?  :claireface:

All relationships have at least one thing those involved will never agree on.  Claire's sense of humour is most likely that thing in their relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:21
So in other words, Marten is wrong.

I hope this double tonight doesn't mean we won't have a comic tomorrow.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:22
Next week:  Padma returns and a love triangle is formed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 06 Oct 2014, 19:23
Also, this is Claires first kiss right?

That's one hell of a good first kiss.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 06 Oct 2014, 19:23
So in other words, Marten is wrong.

I hope this doesn't mean we won't have a comic tomorrow.

Oh, we will. Just some of us have seen it already.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 19:23
First question.
This double release, most probably was a easter egg or a human failure?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 06 Oct 2014, 19:24
Define 'failure,' human.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Case on 06 Oct 2014, 19:25
Frail male Reed(s) FTW!
Also sqee and suchlike ... :-D

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:27
So in other words, Marten is wrong.

I hope this doesn't mean we won't have a comic tomorrow.

Oh, we will. Just some of us have seen it already.
That's what I meant, I was hoping the second tonight wasn't tomorrow's, but I guess it was.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 19:28
Cue the Clintorpedo.

Only 6?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Weeshery on 06 Oct 2014, 19:28
Long time lurker, first time poster... SQUEEEEEEEE!

First question.
This double release, most probably was a easter egg or a human failure?

Neither. It was Pintsize trolling Jeph. Not that we're complaining... :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 06 Oct 2014, 19:28
Hnnnnnnng... Our feels can't repel squeeness of that magnitude!

Bravo I say. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 19:29
Failure:  Jeph published by accident.
Easter egg: Jeph is being generous to the feed subscribers and forum members who will have the delight of knowing the tomorrow strip.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ysth on 06 Oct 2014, 19:30
Hose Goes Some Crow's Rose (supplying the words missing from the title)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: PLGRN8R on 06 Oct 2014, 19:30
*ahem*

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

And all other forms of exclaimed agreement. Thank you for listening. I go once more to the shadows of Lurkerdom.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: nosaJay19 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:31
Next week:  Padma returns and a love triangle is formed.

Well, no, it'd be a love lambda.

            Λ

A lambda of love.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Comic Strip Critic on 06 Oct 2014, 19:32
Also, this is Claires first kiss right?

That's one hell of a good first kiss.

Insert Princess Bride quote here.

Also, this quote from the one and only Bill Watterson, which I think hold especially true given what's I've seen in the forum since I joined a week or two ago: "A comic strip takes just a few seconds to read, but over the years it creates a surprisingly deep connection with readers... Even in a few panels you can develop characters and express an outlook on life as the months go by and before you know it, readers are seriously invested in the world you've created... Readers do form an emotional bond with your strip."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 06 Oct 2014, 19:32
So in other words, Marten is wrong.

I hope this doesn't mean we won't have a comic tomorrow.

Oh, we will. Just some of us have seen it already.
That's what I meant, I was hoping the second tonight wasn't tomorrow's, but I guess it was.

Just registered to post this, it happened once before when sven said he loved faye a while back when he miss posted by a day, it started with him talking to steve but then switched back to him saying I love you to faye. Sadly the next day it was the steve/sven comic again. So more likely than not no "new" comic for wednesday
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 19:34
I'm waiting when the "professional relationship" will kick. Probably when Marten go back home and Faye asks if he banged Claire yesterday.
[Edit: I sure I was deleted the Tai circumstance. Trolled by my brain.]
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 19:34
My apparently ignorant comment. :/

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.

Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize. I apologize if I offended anyone.

What about Pintsize Momo and May robot bits? 00101010101001000111100  :claireface:

I'd rather not speculate on Pintsize (I don't think we ever established where he got the Fleshlight). Momo and May's robo bits are already canon, if memory serves.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Miaboop on 06 Oct 2014, 19:35
Also, this is Claires first kiss right?

That's one hell of a good first kiss.

Insert Princess Bride quote here.

Also, this quote from the one and only Bill Watterson, which I think hold especially true given what's I've seen in the forum since I joined a week or two ago: "A comic strip takes just a few seconds to read, but over the years it creates a surprisingly deep connection with readers... Even in a few panels you can develop characters and express an outlook on life as the months go by and before you know it, readers are seriously invested in the world you've created... Readers do form an emotional bond with your strip."

This is even more true for me, since Claire coming out as trans gave me the courage to do the same >_>
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollector on 06 Oct 2014, 19:35
My mouth is stuck in a permanent position of wide mouthed joy since reading today's comic. I am beyond happy. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 19:37
Cue the Clintorpedo.
Ugh, not looking forward to that, and I'm not even sure exactly how Clinton will be an asshole, but I'm sure it'll happen. :-\
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Weeshery on 06 Oct 2014, 19:38
For some reason I don't see the professional issue playing a role. If it does I think it will be more of an issue with Emily and maybe Tai. I don't know why but I don't see it being an issue. The only way I thought something would happen regarding that would've been with Marten or Claire but that hasn't happened so...yay!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 19:39
First question.
This double release, most probably was a easter egg or a human failure?

Human error, probably. Not the first time it's happened. Jeph did mention trying to build a buffer.

I'm waiting when the "professional relationship" will kick. Probably when Marten tell to Tai go back home and Faye asks if he banged Claire yesterday.

Faye will likely be happy for him, and I suspect Tai will be as well (though I'd be surprised if Tai doesn't call him out -- probably with tongue firmly in cheek -- about the whole professional relationship thing).

Failure:  Jeph published by accident.
Easter egg: Jeph is being generous to the feed subscribers and forum members who will have the delight of knowing the tomorrow strip.

C: some kind of bizarre meta-trolling by Jeph, since now some of us have to wait two days for the next strip. :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 06 Oct 2014, 19:39
Cue the Clintorpedo.
Ugh, not looking forward to that, and I'm not even sure exactly how Clinton will be an asshole, but I'm sure it'll happen. :-\

Clairemom will tell him to "stuff it, that Marten boy is a nice one."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 06 Oct 2014, 19:41
Did anyone else catch Comic 2808 getting posted on accident?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 19:41
Cue the Clintorpedo.
Ugh, not looking forward to that, and I'm not even sure exactly how Clinton will be an asshole, but I'm sure it'll happen. :-\

Clairemom will tell him to "stuff it, that Marten boy is a nice one."
To be honest, I'm not sure we will be seeing Clinton. I just wanted to make the nautical reference...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Weeshery on 06 Oct 2014, 19:42
Cue the Clintorpedo.
Ugh, not looking forward to that, and I'm not even sure exactly how Clinton will be an asshole, but I'm sure it'll happen. :-\

Clairemom will tell him to "stuff it, that Marten boy is a nice one."

This needs to happen. Clairemom has to just suddenly appear and pull Clinton away from Marten and Claire by his ear while scolding him and telling him how nice Marten is. XD
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 06 Oct 2014, 19:42
squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:43
Did anyone else catch Comic 2808 getting posted on accident?
I'm guessing you didn't read the thread before posting? ::)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 06 Oct 2014, 19:44
#2808 is still up for me, and despite not being The Kiss(tm) might actually be more squeetastic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 06 Oct 2014, 19:45
Did anyone else catch Comic 2808 getting posted on accident?
I'm guessing you didn't read the thread before posting? ::)

Sorry, but there's only so many SQUEEEEEES I can wade through before reading the entire thread starts to feel redundant.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 06 Oct 2014, 19:45
I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 19:47
Tai will give him crap, I'm sure of it, but purely in a friendly sense.

Both Marten and Claire having expressed concerns about the professional issues, though, may cause one or both of them to do something to remove the professional issues. As Marten said in 2808 (in a completely different context, sure, but...):
(click to show/hide)

Someone previously suggested that maybe Marten would leave the library, to resolve it, and also try to advance his career...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 19:48
#2808 is still up for me
It's there, but hitting Next from 2807 won't bring you there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aliensporebomb on 06 Oct 2014, 19:49
eschaton has a point.....

But then again, I kept expecting jeph to pull the rug out by having claire wake from a dream all blushing and whatnot going "oh.... it was all just a dream......"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mojo on 06 Oct 2014, 19:49
Man, I find myself wishing I could make that speech.  What Marten did there is not something easy to do for most mortals.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Weeshery on 06 Oct 2014, 19:51
Tai will give him crap, I'm sure of it, but purely in a friendly sense.

I completely agree with this. I can also see pretty much all of his other friends doing the same. The only one I can't see doing this would be Emily. She'd be happy for them (even if she did like Marten and it wasn't her just being her oddball self in prior comics) it just seems like the type of person she was. Even if it saddened her, she'd appear happy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 19:51
#2808 is still up for me, and despite not being The Kiss(tm) might actually be more squeetastic.

2808 is/was/will have been/whilom haven been pitch-perfect. Am I the only one who tried to see if 2809 was there too?

I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense. 

If you start from the assumption that he's only thought about it in the last couple of days (comic time), sure it'd be jarring. But he's had much longer to think about it -- at least since the two of them dozed off in the same bed after the wedding -- and if you look at it in that light, it makes a lot more sense.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 19:52
Cue the Clintorpedo.

Only 6?
For a moment I missed the "n"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 06 Oct 2014, 19:55
This is even more true for me, since Claire coming out as trans gave me the courage to do the same >_>

I had to reply to this, and I'm amazed nobody else has done so. First of all, super congrats! Coming out is so dang hard, and I hope that artists like Jeph understand exactly how much their art can mean to their viewers. Doubly so when one thinks about trans folk and how few positive representations we have in the media-sometimes just the tiniest bit of encouragement can be exhilarating. For me, the *click* moment came when I found out that a former coworker was trans, and I thank my lucky stars every day that I had her to show me that it's possible to transition and be perfectly normal. So to you I say, good luck, and keep rockin' on!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 19:56
I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense.

Random robot. Robots are replacing humans one by one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 06 Oct 2014, 19:56
*Jaw drops*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 06 Oct 2014, 19:57
Wow. Just wow. I have only applause. We know not what rocks lie beneath the surf, but there it sails: the ship is afloat. And how!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 19:58
My apparently ignorant comment. :/

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.

Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize. I apologize if I offended anyone.

What about Pintsize Momo and May robot bits? 00101010101001000111100  :claireface:

I'd rather not speculate on Pintsize (I don't think we ever established where he got the Fleshlight). Momo and May's robo bits are already canon, if memory serves.
It was a nerdy joke http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 20:00
eschaton has a point.....

But then again, I kept expecting jeph to pull the rug out by having claire wake from a dream all blushing and whatnot going "oh.... it was all just a dream......"
It would be funny if it actually happened just like that and them Marten does show up in her home and does declare for her. But it was all in a clumzy shy marten way.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 20:00
My apparently ignorant comment. :/

Greetings, new person! We don't generally speculate on Claire's ladybits for the same reason we don't speculate on other characters' *bits... it's not generally considered polite (and can come off as downright demeaning). Head over to the Trans* thread and acquaint yourself with it. There's some very useful information in there if you're genuinely interested in getting up to speed.

Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize. I apologize if I offended anyone.

What about Pintsize Momo and May robot bits? 00101010101001000111100  :claireface:

I'd rather not speculate on Pintsize (I don't think we ever established where he got the Fleshlight). Momo and May's robo bits are already canon, if memory serves.
It was a nerdy joke http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit

That would explain the breeze I felt on my scalp...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Truec on 06 Oct 2014, 20:01
Ahem.

Squee.

That is all.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 06 Oct 2014, 20:01
I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense.

So what you're saying is: he's acting too formulaic and not like his true self?

I'll admit it did seem like he was a bit off, but I couldn't quite point out what it is.  I don't think he's an entirely different person though, Marten's always been just Marten to me.  I do have to wonder where his attraction to Claire ever started, though, because it wasn't particularly hinted to at all until this point (which is maybe what Jeph wanted?)  There was the wedding arc, but after they both brushed it off the way they did, I honestly thought it was going nowhere.  Guess I was wrong.

Man, I find myself wishing I could make that speech.  What Marten did there is not something easy to do for most mortals.
Speaking form experience, I've found it much easier to ask somebody out (or make any sort of romantic or sexual move on them) when you have a pretty good feeling they'll reciprocate positively.  When you're largely unsure, as Angus was with Faye, then it's still worth it, you just have to work up a lot more courage.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 06 Oct 2014, 20:04
Or use courage of the liquid form.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 06 Oct 2014, 20:05
I do have to wonder where his attraction to Claire ever started, though, because it wasn't particularly hinted to at all until this point (which is maybe what Jeph wanted?)
I suspect even Marten wasn't fully aware of it as it was brewing
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElsaStegosaurus on 06 Oct 2014, 20:05
That was one hell of a handshake.

Also: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 20:06
Also, Marten's one to constantly second-guess his relationships with women, and whether they're attracted to him, to the point of coming up with the Second Law of Sexual Dynamics. Plus, he had several rationalizations that let him put any relationship with Claire aside.

But, the tension was always there, and had been there since at least the wedding on Marten's part, and probably the lake party on Claire's part. Add in some alcohol, and Marten begins to realize that he likes spending time with Claire, and finds it more natural than he's ever felt before, because they trust each other and feel comfortable in each other's presence - which, to be honest, is probably something that Marten's never quite had.

Vicky felt the need to bail across the country from him.

The entire gag for the first 500 strips of the comic was about how Faye was physically abusive to him, and didn't trust him with her history.

Dora didn't give him a chance to recover from that, and shocked him into a relationship with her. And, while he genuinely did like her... she didn't trust him, ultimately.

Padma... he was never comfortable with Padma, and there was an expiration date on that relationship.

Delilah, well, that was a one night stand, so...

Claire? She trusts him, he trusts her, they're comfortable around each other, and in a moment of vulnerability for both of them (Marten being drunk, Claire having been forced to think about it by Faye), they connect. Claire realizes that she's been attracted to Marten all along, Marten realizes that he's liked Claire all along, and then the next morning...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 20:07
About "Marten" changes:
He is slow, but when comes to a decision stick to it. This is something repeated in recent past and said first by Dora when they are boyfriends, if my memory isn't srewd up. The Claire story was being cooked from a very long time, since the revelation and before. It was something we all see coming, soo, he isn't all out of character. It's not "some random guy".

But
He is not being insecure, (hey, not hand on neck) not asking for advice, etc. We can use the argument of the long cooking, but it's true, he is a little out of character.

But
This is the most sane relationship he face in all this years. Faye always had a trainwreck of issues and Dora/Marten/Faye was a very weird triangle since forever. (I really not remember how was Padma. What number was?) There was reason to he know Claire will be say yes and the other things are far more workable than Faye and Dora. So he have reasons to be out of character.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 06 Oct 2014, 20:07
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My residence is going to be treated to this for the next little while. Sorry for the crappy drawing my hands are literally shaking
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Oct 2014, 20:11
Oh, man...

My face is all wet, now. 

Dammit. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 06 Oct 2014, 20:12
Padma... he was never comfortable with Padma

What makes you say that?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 06 Oct 2014, 20:13
Well I can go to bed happy, I don't care if the rest of the year is idle breakfast eating strips, I've been waiting on bated breath for this since Claire started trying on dresses for the wedding.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 06 Oct 2014, 20:14
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My residence is going to be treated to this for the next little while. Sorry for the crappy drawing my hands are literally shaking
You didn't happen to have that prepared beforehand, did you?   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: vforvancouver on 06 Oct 2014, 20:15
Jeph Jacques.

You.

Magnificent.

Bastard.

Now I will have to find a redhead as cute as Claire. I was soooo happy being a single guy and you had to ruin it.

Well played, sir, well played.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollector on 06 Oct 2014, 20:16
Gotta say, as my 20 minute lasting wide mouthed joy showed, I am beyond happy over what happened in today's comic, especially after how worried I was getting after yesterday's hand hold. I was beyond worried he was gonna say some, we can't cause we work together bull. But this, this is beyond magnificent, I love this turnout. :)

Secondly to say is, I think my experience with Claire is a good example for how it's possible to fall in love with someone, even a fictional character without realizing it. I wasn't sure how I felt about Claire as a character for a long time, I liked her, but I dunno, then this story arc started and how worked up I've been getting over all of this made me realize how much I've loved Claire the whole time. Now she's my favorite character, so.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Hounddog on 06 Oct 2014, 20:16
SO

I just wanted to point out that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has also been uploaded, and if you have no self control, you can access it by manually typing in the URL or clicking the link below

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

It's pretty adorable though.  Can you hold out?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 20:21
SO

I just wanted to point out that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has also been uploaded, and if you have no self control, you can access it by manually typing in the URL or clicking the link below

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

It's pretty adorable though.  Can you hold out?
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollector on 06 Oct 2014, 20:23
SO

I just wanted to point out that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has also been uploaded, and if you have no self control, you can access it by manually typing in the URL or clicking the link below

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

It's pretty adorable though.  Can you hold out?
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(http://bogleech.com/pokemon/slowpoke.png)   :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 06 Oct 2014, 20:24
If you start from the assumption that he's only thought about it in the last couple of days (comic time), sure it'd be jarring. But he's had much longer to think about it -- at least since the two of them dozed off in the same bed after the wedding -- and if you look at it in that light, it makes a lot more sense.

One could argue it's bad writing if you have a sudden divergence in a plot, with the explanation that important developments happened off page. 

It also just doesn't make sense considering Marten shares drama on the littlest things, like Emily kissing him on the cheek, with multiple friends. 

So what you're saying is: he's acting too formulaic and not like his true self?

Yeah.  Honestly it feels like fanservice to me.  Jeph knew it would be popular, so he decided to do it (probably around 3-4 weeks ago).  To the extent there was any foreshadowing, it was just so minor compared to what Jeph set up regarding Faye and Dora. 

I mean, I've been reading QC since almost the beginning.  This is just so disappointing to me.  Maybe it wouldn't have been as disappointing to me if I didn't start reading the forums again, because I would have had no idea that people were rooting for this, and probably would have perceived it differently. 

Claire? She trusts him, he trusts her, they're comfortable around each other, and in a moment of vulnerability for both of them (Marten being drunk, Claire having been forced to think about it by Faye), they connect. Claire realizes that she's been attracted to Marten all along, Marten realizes that he's liked Claire all along, and then the next morning... (And, the tension has probably been there on Claire's part since the lake party, and Marten's part since the wedding, I think.)

As I said, there's plenty of reason for it to happen, I just don't like how it happened.  Marten should have bolted out of bed, tried to talk to Faye about what happened for 2-3 strips, maybe tried to talk about it with Steve or Tai, and then done something.  There should have been some hand-wringing involved.  Maybe not about the trans thing, but something.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 20:24
(http://bogleech.com/pokemon/slowpoke.png)   :claireface:
Feye's head looked too much as monster poop.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BrusselSprouts on 06 Oct 2014, 20:26
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You didn't happen to have that prepared beforehand, did you?   :mrgreen:

If I had something prepared I'd have drawn it way better than that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 20:27
(http://i62.tinypic.com/212gumg.jpg)

What will Emily do with all the straw and twigs she have been gathering all week?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 20:29
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Marten should have bolted out of bed, tried to talk to Faye about what happened for 2-3 slides, maybe tried to talk about it with Steve or Tai, and then done something.  There should have been some hand-wringing involved.  Maybe not about the trans thing, but something.
He can't do this without outing Claire or just faking half of the drama.
And besides, the thing happened naturally. There was no conscientious plot to freak him out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Oct 2014, 20:29
SO

I just wanted to point out that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has also been uploaded, and if you have no self control, you can access it by manually typing in the URL or clicking the link below

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808)

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

It's pretty adorable though.  Can you hold out?
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(http://bogleech.com/pokemon/slowpoke.png)   :claireface:
Slow...bros...bros...bros... :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 06 Oct 2014, 20:31
I mean, I've been reading QC since almost the beginning.  This is just so disappointing to me.  Maybe it wouldn't have been as disappointing to me if I didn't start reading the forums again, because I would have had no idea that people were rooting for this, and probably would have perceived it differently. 
Time to mutter about quantum mood states and the observer effect.

EDIT: Wow. Nothing's going to top Method of Madness right there. We've done it. This thread has reached its apex. See you all next week!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Jazzmaster on 06 Oct 2014, 20:32

Yeah.  Honestly it feels like fanservice to me.  Jeph knew it would be popular, so he decided to do it (probably around 3-4 weeks ago).  To the extent there was any foreshadowing, it was just so minor compared to what Jeph set up regarding Faye and Dora. 

I mean, I've been reading QC since almost the beginning.  This is just so disappointing to me.  Maybe it wouldn't have been as disappointing to me if I didn't start reading the forums again, because I would have had no idea that people were rooting for this, and probably would have perceived it differently.

You and I are in the same boat, then.  The amount of people who were apparently not only happy about this new couple, but were eagerly waiting upon it for several months, really took me off guard.

I don't disagree that if he'd kinda fumbled around a bit but then went for it, it would've seemed far more natural.  But like I said, when you kinda of just know somebody digs you (and you're a bit drunk...) it can be easier to make moves like this.  It's not really hard to see why he didn't act this way with Faye way back in the beginning, because she was sending him all sorts of mixed signals from the start.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 20:37
Marten should have bolted out of bed, tried to talk to Faye about what happened for 2-3 strips, maybe tried to talk about it with Steve or Tai, and then done something.  There should have been some hand-wringing involved.  Maybe not about the trans thing, but something.

Hmm, I see your point but... there's always a 'but', isn't there?  To me, that description seems more like a set of character quirks, rather than a depiction of actual character.  I'm reading this arc as signifying some real growth on Marten's part - which isn't to say that the lovable/infuriating behaviours have gone for good, but that he may now have some measure of control over them.  A character becoming more than he or she has been in the past, in response to new challenges, seems acceptable.  To me at least - everyone is welcome to their own opinion on this :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Oct 2014, 20:40
And, Marten sticks to a course of action once he decides on it. If he decided on it, why bother Faye, Steve, or Tai, and also end up outing Claire, something she specifically requested he not do unless directly asked about it? He had nobody to talk to about it except Clinton, and let's face it, Marten's not gonna ask Clinton about that. (He didn't know about Emily knowing, and let's face it, Marigold or Pintsize would be a better source of relationship advice than Emily. Or even Clinton would be a better source, although not about that particular relationship.)

Also, as far as not feeling comfortable with Padma... he (and Padma, for that matter) were having an "oh shit, this is bad" reaction to them falling for one another, that ultimately resulted in them shutting each other out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 06 Oct 2014, 20:44
He can't do this without outing Claire or just faking half of the drama.
And besides, the thing happened naturally. There was no conscientious plot to freak him out.

There's still the coworker/technical supervisor thing.  Along with her never having been in a relationship (which would be my major concern if I were Marten, honestly - there's so much pressure on you if you're the first).  Admittedly, it would be hard to explain why an attractive 24-year old woman hadn't been in a relationship before to his friends, but I think he could broach it with out outing her. 

You and I are in the same boat, then.  The amount of people who were apparently not only happy about this new couple, but were eagerly waiting upon it for several months, really took me off guard.

I'll admit, I'm not a fanfic kind of guy.  I find characters interesting on an intellectual level, but never find myself identifying with them, having feelings for them, or otherwise being involved.  So this whole fandom thing just seems alien to me personally speaking. 

Hmm, I see your point but... there's always a 'but', isn't there?  To me, that description seems more like a set of character quirks, rather than a depiction of actual character.  I'm reading this arc as signifying some real growth on Marten's part - which isn't to say that the lovable/infuriating behaviours have gone for good, but that he may now have some measure of control over them.  A character becoming more than he or she has been in the past, in response to new challenges, seems acceptable.  To me at least - everyone is welcome to their own opinion on this :-)

It's possible.  But again, how many days ago in comic time was the Emily Kiss arc?  Maybe 2 weeks?  Possibly less?  Seems like a hell of a lot of growth in a short period of time, given the response was pretty much "classic Marten."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 06 Oct 2014, 20:45
And, Marten sticks to a course of action once he decides on it. If he decided on it, why bother Faye, Steve, or Tai, and also end up outing Claire, something she specifically requested he not do unless directly asked about it? He had nobody to talk to about it except Clinton, and let's face it, Marten's not gonna ask Clinton about that. (He didn't know about Emily knowing, and let's face it, Marigold or Pintsize would be a better source of relationship advice than Emily. Or even Clinton would be a better source, although not about that particular relationship.)

Also, as far as not feeling comfortable with Padma... he (and Padma, for that matter) were having an "oh shit, this is bad" reaction to them falling for one another, that ultimately resulted in them shutting each other out.
Don't rule out the Emily-as-confidante possibility yet. She has a way of being that embraces and seems to embody going with the flow. Might possibly give the best advice if she's caught in the right mood.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Oct 2014, 20:46
SO

I just wanted to point out that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) comic has also been uploaded, and if you have no self control, you can access it by manually typing in the URL or clicking the link below

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

It's pretty adorable though.  Can you hold out?

You bastard. 


Well, anyway, I think that explains Marten's lack of overanalyzing pretty damn well. 





God, I haven't wept tears of joy in a long time.  Damn you, Willis Jeph! 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 06 Oct 2014, 20:48
A+
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 06 Oct 2014, 20:57
After cleaning all the squee off my clothes, I'll  just say one thing.

You can't say Jeph is letting QC coast while starting up his new comic.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 20:59
It is a very hard thing develop a character. You will need make it change, but stay the same. There is a Hard Line of Plausibility you never should pass, and the damn line is a moving target.
Marten/Claire wasn't a masterpiece, but we are expecting it to be?
And if not a masterpiece, Marten not crossed The Line to me. If fact was pretty good executed. I'm still waiting the moment he will freak out indeed, he is someone I expect doubt attacks in the aftermath.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: fire n ice on 06 Oct 2014, 21:00
Jeph Jacques.

You.

Magnificent.

Bastard.

Now I will have to find a redhead as cute as Claire. I was soooo happy being a single guy and you had to ruin it.

Well played, sir, well played.

NEVER underestimate the power of a redhead.  Just ask my wife.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 06 Oct 2014, 21:03
You're missing the point.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LGK3SiFBdYs/VDNlc-e7ReI/AAAAAAAAYus/wqWkTGpV2nk/s1600/PANCAKES.png)

Warning - while you were typing 8542 new squees have been squeeed. You may wish to review your post and add squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: billydaking on 06 Oct 2014, 21:07
I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense.

You mean like the Marten in 2666?  Which led to 2672, and which was immediately followed by a surprise visit from his mother to go on a date, which led to 2702, with some important advice from Mom in 2703. Which was followed later by Marten's field trip with Emily and Samantha, which led to a momentary confusion about Emily's possible interest and wondering why it freaked him out so much (2769).

The relationship between Claire and Marten has been a slow burn ever since Claire came out to him and ever since the wedding. He's actually become closer friends with Claire than everybody from the library, including Tai. So, when they both got a little drunk and Claire revealed her crush to him and then pulled back, Marten finally realized that Claire might see him more than as a friend. After Marten, in his words, "processed" what happened and what he now knows about Clarie's feelings (basically, he hit pause and did his mulling about the possibilities), he decided to take the risk and call Claire. Yeah, he missed Claire's attempt at flirting, but don't you think that happens a lot, with Marten and most people in general?

Marten's character been finding a direction for a long time now, ever since screwing up with Padma. Yeah, it might be hard to notice, because QC has become a large ensemble comic, but it's definitely there.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Oneminutemonkey on 06 Oct 2014, 21:07
Long time reader, first time poster.
In fact, I registered just so I can say:
OMG OMG OMG OMG
SQUEEEEEEEEEEE
SO CUTE

I for one, am thrilled that for once we didn't have to put up with months of dithering and doubt and miscommunication, and that Marten finally acted on gut instinct. Claire's an adorable character, and I've liked her since she first showed up. And in a comic where we have regular lesbian and bisexual characters, it's still amazing to see the (arguable) lead of the strip falls for a trans girl and not making that an issue. So far, their few conversations about the topic have been mature, sensitive, and quite positive, and I'm just so happy to see this develop.  I mean, I could see the growing relationship and attraction between the two coming for a long time, and it doesn't come as a surprise at all.
So here's hoping we get some good stories out of the relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 21:08
You're missing the point.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LGK3SiFBdYs/VDNlc-e7ReI/AAAAAAAAYus/wqWkTGpV2nk/s1600/PANCAKES.png)

Warning - while you were typing 8542 new squees have been squeeed. You may wish to review your post and add squee.

This is butter AND honey/maple syrup?
You in the north hemisphere are very strange people...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 21:11
But again, how many days ago in comic time was the Emily Kiss arc?  Maybe 2 weeks?  Possibly less?  Seems like a hell of a lot of growth in a short period of time, given the response was pretty much "classic Marten."

The flow of time in the QCverse often confuses me.  I must confess that I find this arc very resonant on an emotional level, and am definitely in the category of reader with a strong identification with the characters, which naturally affects how i 'read' Marten's responses - in that, he is acting in the way that I wish I might act in the same or a similar situation.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: OmegaChosen on 06 Oct 2014, 21:14
Sorry to pull away from all the squeeing but just a small question: is Claire still an intern?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mad Cat on 06 Oct 2014, 21:17
Va-va-va-VOOM!

Sorry to pull away from all the squeeing but just a small question: is Claire still an intern?
As is Marten. There's no supervisor/underling relationship to violate here.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 06 Oct 2014, 21:19
Hmm.

This is awfully gutsy and decisive for Marten.

But he does start out by saying that he had "this big speech planned out in [his] head."

I'm inclined to take it as, he initially launched into his usual routine of fretting and dithering and over-analysing, and then in the middle of that, he said to himself, "Aaargh, I'm doing it again!  Screw this!  I'm just gonna go for it!" and dropped his forkful of diner pancake to call Claire.

People do have those moments.  They're rare, life-changing, and awesome.  If that was what happened for Marten, I wish some of it could've happened on-screen; it would've made this seem less abrupt.  But we might well get a recap; I wouldn't be at all surprised by a strip where he's telling Faye, "...but then I just said to myself, 'Aaargh, I'm doing it again!  Screw this!  I'm just gonna go for it!'"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: J on 06 Oct 2014, 21:19
interesting that with claire, martin seems to have none of the boss/intern hangups he professed to have with emily.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 06 Oct 2014, 21:22
You're missing the point.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LGK3SiFBdYs/VDNlc-e7ReI/AAAAAAAAYus/wqWkTGpV2nk/s1600/PANCAKES.png)

Warning - while you were typing 8542 new squees have been squeeed. You may wish to review your post and add squee.

Is that maple squeeeerup on those pancakes?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cochise on 06 Oct 2014, 21:23
Emily's kiss -> wine with Faye -> hangover => Then day 1
hangover -> Angus' audition -> missed flirt in library -> bar -> "cafuné" => Then day 2
Pancakes -> Day 3

There is not any space for a hidden space of time, the Emily's kiss was the day before yesterday in comic time.

Well, 20 posts, my OCD is kicking me out of this for almost ten hours.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: de_la_Nae on 06 Oct 2014, 21:23
Yeah, Orkboy really did put it best.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: vforvancouver on 06 Oct 2014, 21:23
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

Also, that reminds me of this http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379). I liked the original version more, where Mrs Vance tells Claire about how Marten is a prime age for having children, and how Marten and Claire's babies would be beautiful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: John D on 06 Oct 2014, 21:23
This is the way I was hoping this would turn out, way cool! :-D
Also...
Butter and syrup is the only way to eat pancakes/waffles.  :laugh:

Yaaay kissing!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: danuis on 06 Oct 2014, 21:26
MartenClaire banzai! :wow:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: OmegaChosen on 06 Oct 2014, 21:29
Va-va-va-VOOM!

Sorry to pull away from all the squeeing but just a small question: is Claire still an intern?
As is Marten. There's no supervisor/underling relationship to violate here.
Marten I'm pretty sure is an actual employee of the library and not an intern. He's not a librarian but they still pay him and the fact he's been there for a while means he at least has seniority over them, which can lead to some murky circumstances if things go south.

In any case, it's not like I just pulled that out of the blue. Marten himself brings up the issue in regards to Emily a few weeks back(I think a few days in comic time? At least a week I'm sure). I was just asking since he seems to disregard what he said in that scenario in regards to now.  *shrug*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 06 Oct 2014, 21:32
That was probably addressed in the big speech he decided not to give.  I'm sure it'll be addressed (and possibly stressed over) at some point.  Tai will probably have some really unhelpful thoughts to contribute.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: OmegaChosen on 06 Oct 2014, 21:35
That was probably addressed in the big speech he decided not to give.  I'm sure it'll be addressed (and possibly stressed over) at some point.  Tai will probably have some really unhelpful thoughts to contribute.
I suppose. I guess I just took his little post liquor speech of "I'm telling Emily that it's inappropriate for an employee to date an intern" too much at face value when he really meant "I'm not into Emily enough to disregard the employee/intern thing". :p
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 21:37
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

Also, that reminds me of this http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379). I liked the original version more, where Mrs Vance tells Claire about how Marten is a prime age for having children, and how Marten and Claire's babies would be beautiful.

It should be possible with current real world technology. In case of Tai and Dora they could get a sperm donation from a relative father or brother to fertilize her partner egg. In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Now if you want specifically to mix genes directly from the individuals in question them it is also possible but there is a great chance of bad things happening.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 06 Oct 2014, 21:38
interesting that with claire, martin seems to have none of the boss/intern hangups he professed to have with emily.

Perhaps part of it is their apparent maturity levels.  Claire seems a lot more mature/acts more like a competent adult than Emily.  Emily at times seems like she's a version of Sam in an adult body.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: OmegaChosen on 06 Oct 2014, 21:40
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

Also, that reminds me of this http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379). I liked the original version more, where Mrs Vance tells Claire about how Marten is a prime age for having children, and how Marten and Claire's babies would be beautiful.

It should be possible with current real world technology. In case of Tai and Dora they could get a sperm donation from a relative father or brother to fertilize her partner egg. In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Now if you want specifically to mix genes directly from the individuals in question them it is also possible but there is a great chance of bad things happening.
Are evil genius babies one of the bad things?

Because I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Penquin47 on 06 Oct 2014, 21:41
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

Also, that reminds me of this http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379). I liked the original version more, where Mrs Vance tells Claire about how Marten is a prime age for having children, and how Marten and Claire's babies would be beautiful.

It should be possible with current real world technology. In case of Tai and Dora they could get a sperm donation from a relative father or brother to fertilize her partner egg. In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Now if you want specifically to mix genes directly from the individuals in question them it is also possible but there is a great chance of bad things happening.

You do realize you suggested Tai carry Sven's child, don't you?  SVEN?  *shudders*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 21:42
I want strips with Tai rolling her eyes as they try and fail miserably to keep it a secret at work.

Which I won't get because Marten will immediately tell her and even if he didn't Faye would tell Dora who'd tell Tai.

But I still want to see it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 21:45
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

Also, that reminds me of this http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379). I liked the original version more, where Mrs Vance tells Claire about how Marten is a prime age for having children, and how Marten and Claire's babies would be beautiful.

It should be possible with current real world technology. In case of Tai and Dora they could get a sperm donation from a relative father or brother to fertilize her partner egg. In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Now if you want specifically to mix genes directly from the individuals in question them it is also possible but there is a great chance of bad things happening.

You do realize you suggested Tai carry Sven's child, don't you?  SVEN?  *shudders*
And the kid would be handsome!

Anyway I was thinking the other way around with Dora pregnant since Tai seems to be more masculine. Also sperm from older men is still functional so even a father would do. I think genetically speaking a father would produce a genetically closer child to what would be a child from the couple.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 06 Oct 2014, 21:48
I want strips with Tai rolling her eyes as they try and fail miserably to keep it a secret at work.

Which I won't get because Marten will immediately tell her and even if he didn't Faye would tell Dora who'd tell Tai.

But I still want to see it.

Tai: I know you two are bangin'.
Marten: Buh... I... we only kissed!
Tai: Seriously? 'Cause I could give you the afternoon off if you wanna do something about that...
Claire: I HAVE TO FINISH SHELVING THE RETURNS THERE ARE A LOT TODAY
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 21:59
Emily's kiss -> wine with Faye -> hangover => Then day 1
hangover -> Angus' audition -> missed flirt in library -> bar -> "cafuné" => Then day 2
Pancakes -> Day 3

There is not any space for a hidden space of time, the Emily's kiss was the day before yesterday in comic time.

Well, 20 posts, my OCD is kicking me out of this for almost ten hours.
Interesting, you used a term that is unique to one language. More specifically a variant from one country. Have this word becoming more popular on the internet?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: scarred on 06 Oct 2014, 22:04
A+
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CompSarge on 06 Oct 2014, 22:10
Looks like Jeph had a bit of a change of heart. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2217)

Also, <insert squee here>.

Also also, as weird as it may sound, the fact that I've been single for over three years seems to make Clairten even more exciting for me. I guess the idea that someone like Marten (fictional though he may be) can get girl as awesome as Claire makes me feel like I have a chance too.

...that sounded much less pathetic in my head. :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 06 Oct 2014, 22:20
"I can't believe they're actually together! It's so romantic! They're gonna get married! And live happily ever after! And Marten will have a little sister brother-in-law! Eeek little sister Clinton!" - My brain re-writing comic 2705 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2705) to fit what my brain is feeling from these recent comics. So much cute and happy! :D

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AprilArcus on 06 Oct 2014, 22:26
Emily's kiss -> wine with Faye -> hangover => Then day 1
hangover -> Angus' audition -> missed flirt in library -> bar -> "cafuné" => Then day 2
Pancakes -> Day 3

There is not any space for a hidden space of time, the Emily's kiss was the day before yesterday in comic time.

Well, 20 posts, my OCD is kicking me out of this for almost ten hours.

You missed a day. If there are no gaps and the snake bite incident was day 0, pancakes are on day 4. There also appears to be room for a gap between 2280 and 2281.

2718-2737 (frog ceremony / may applies for jobs / snake bite / emily kiss)
Marten: green tee-shirt (destroyed in 2733) changing into Godspeed Your Black Emperor tee-shirt (2734)
Faye: sky blue camisole
Dora: gray tee-shirt
Hanners: yellow dress
Dale: The previous day's gray tee-shirt (2720) changing into Magical Love Gentleman shirt (2725)
May: The previous day's jumpsuit (2720-2722) changing into a white camisole (2725)
Tai: Magenta SMIF tee-shirt

2738-2771 (angus's callback / sven's come-on / dale's evening shift / marten and faye talk about sven / marten angst's about the kiss)
Marten: the previous day's Godspeed Your Black Emperor tee-shirt
Faye: red tee-shirt
Dora: gray tee-shirt
Hanners: White button-up over cyan boat neck (2738, 2757) changing into a pink tee-shirt for the evening shift (2759-2765)
Marigold: black tee-shirt
Dale: gray tee-shirt
May: gray tee-shirt

2772 - 2780 (marten and faye are hung over / dora decides on the svenectomy)
Marten: blue tee-shirt
Faye: teal boat neck
Dora: black boat neck
Hanners: teal tee-shirt
Marigold: magenta tee-shirt
Dale: green tee-shirt
Claire: cyan polo

--maybe a gap here?--

2781-2801 (missed flirt / bar / scritches)
Marten: green tee-shirt
Faye: cyan tee shirt
Dora: black camisole
Hanners: blue tee-shirt
Dale: gray tee-shirt
May: gray tee-shirt
Tai: White button-up
Claire: cyan dress changing into shirt & jeans

2803-2808 (pancakes / kiss)
Claire: white camisole
Marten: black tee-shirt
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 22:26
Looks like Jeph had a bit of a change of heart. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2217)

Also, <insert squee here>.

Also also, as weird as it may sound, the fact that I've been single for over three years seems to make Clairten even more exciting for me. I guess the idea that someone like Marten (fictional though he may be) can get girl as awesome as Claire makes me feel like I have a chance too.

...that sounded much less pathetic in my head. :psyduck:

Do you at least talk to people?
(click to show/hide)

(Sorry, edited by mistake - Paul)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Emoroffle on 06 Oct 2014, 22:39
Well my head just about exploded from this. I'm pretty sure my subsequent squee was only audible to canines.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fenriswolf on 06 Oct 2014, 22:59
This is even more true for me, since Claire coming out as trans gave me the courage to do the same >_>
Oo, I missed this at first. Congrats/high fives for you Miaboop!  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrClef on 06 Oct 2014, 23:00
So, seeing what was coming, I've archive-binged the comic over the past few days, and. . . well, looking back at it, there's been a lot of plot points building up to Marten deciding to grow a pair of non-gender-specific balls and go for it with Claire.

I mean, there's the Claire storyline, yeah, with Claire coming out as trans to him, the wedding, the growing friendship, etc. etc., but there's also been the side stories.

There's Dora and Tai, which cut off his lingering relationship with his ex and made it very clear to him that relationship was over.

There was Padma, where Marten pretty much learned not to fret so much about the future you miss the good things in front of you right now.

There was Dee, where Marten figured out that one-night-stands and casual sex-only relationships weren't for him, and he needed something deeper.

There was Emily, who helped him break down the taboos he might have held about dating interns. . . or, at least, Tai bringing up the subject really made him think about it and wonder what really would be so morally wrong about it. . .

And then there's the whole drama with Angus, Faye, and Sven, which is pretty much the whole, "lying and hiding your real feelings will make you feel miserable, but forcing your feelings on someone who isn't ready for it is just as douchebaggy."

Then there's his mother planting the seed of, "If it feels right, just go for it no matter how little common sense it might seem to make."

What I'm trying to say is that our depressed emo indie brat has been getting idea after idea planted in his head over the last few story arcs all pointing to, "ACT LIKE A GODDAMN MAN FOR ONCE."

. . . and watch, after all this warm feelings and sunshine, Jeff is going to pull the rug out from under all of us by having Marten die in a car accident on the way home or some fucking shit, God Forbid. :(
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 06 Oct 2014, 23:06
Growing balls tale time... (http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.fab.com/product/196220-1200x1200-1345213894-primary.png)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RaineThing on 06 Oct 2014, 23:07
Am I supposed to be able to see two new strips???

OMG I'm so happy right now. SQUEE doesn't even cover this!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CompSarge on 06 Oct 2014, 23:21
Looks like Jeph had a bit of a change of heart. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2217)

Also, <insert squee here>.

Also also, as weird as it may sound, the fact that I've been single for over three years seems to make Clairten even more exciting for me. I guess the idea that someone like Marten (fictional though he may be) can get girl as awesome as Claire makes me feel like I have a chance too.

...that sounded much less pathetic in my head. :psyduck:

Do you at least talk to people?
(click to show/hide)

If by "talk to people" you mean be a third wheel with my roommate and his not-quite-girlfriend and spend a lot of time swiping through Tinder, then yes. >.> Relationships are hard when you don't have a place where you can go hang out with people your age (or can't stand going to bars).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 06 Oct 2014, 23:27
Only 10 pages ? You should feel ashamed of yourself, all of you !  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Arancaytar on 06 Oct 2014, 23:33
Wow; after Faye/Angus and Marigold/Dale, this was refreshingly simple and drama-free. It even beats Dora/Tai, and the only drama there was going on one date with Jim (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1945) first.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 23:35
Only 10 pages ? You should feel ashamed of yourself, all of you !  :-D

Maybe its easier to talk about horrible things than happy ones sometimes  - or big goofy grins instead of words, words, words :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 23:40
Wow; after Faye/Angus and Marigold/Dale, this was refreshingly simple and drama-free. It even beats Dora/Tai, and the only drama there was going on one date with Jim (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1945) first.

It's the calm before the storm. Now that we have a new happy couple it's time for Angus to move away and for the Dorapocalypse.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: theMarc on 06 Oct 2014, 23:42
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 06 Oct 2014, 23:43
Ah, Jeph! You warm the cockles of an old romantic's heart!

Still, like others, this has the feel to me of something that Marten has been working towards for some time. I think that the immediate cause was his mother starting a relationship with Jim. However, its roots, IMHO, can be traced back to his conversation with Lt Porter about not over-thinking things. This was backed up by Pintsize of all people. I just think that, after so many people around him have found love by going with their feelings that he has decided that it is safe to do the same.

Now the hard part starts: Starting a relationship is easy; the early honeymoon period is easy. Maintaining it and making it grow healthily is hard and their particular circumstances can only make it harder. Still, he got one thing right:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollector on 06 Oct 2014, 23:43
Wow; after Faye/Angus and Marigold/Dale, this was refreshingly simple and drama-free. It even beats Dora/Tai, and the only drama there was going on one date with Jim (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1945) first.

It's the calm before the storm. Now that we have a new happy couple it's time for Angus to move away and for the Dorapocalypse.
Dorapocalypse? Don't you mean, the alpacalypse?  :claireface: :claireface:
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/274/8/2/alpacalypse_by_potentialmoron-d4bhv3u.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 06 Oct 2014, 23:44
I can think of at least three good reason for Claire to have trouble trusting someone. Her courage is more noteworthy than Marten's sudden eptitude.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HauntingPoem on 06 Oct 2014, 23:44
Only 10 pages ? You should feel ashamed of yourself, all of you !  :-D

Maybe its easier to talk about horrible things than happy ones sometimes  - or big goofy grins instead of words, words, words :-D

I think that was sarcasm bro.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tolf on 06 Oct 2014, 23:46
This is going to give someone a heart attack. It's finally happening after so much suspense. I've been waiting for this since claire was first introduced.  :mrgreen: Jeph is giving people what they want. I'll be heartbroken when they inevitably break up. No couples last forever in QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 06 Oct 2014, 23:47
I think that was sarcasm bro.

Yep, I assumed that it was ;-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Oct 2014, 23:54
Do you at least talk to people?
(click to show/hide)

Is that Watamote(I've watched part of the anime, but wasn't aware of a manga.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 06 Oct 2014, 23:56
Only 10 pages ? You should feel ashamed of yourself, all of you !  :-D

I can squeee again if it makes you feel better.

*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 06 Oct 2014, 23:56
Dorapocalypse? Don't you mean, the alpacalypse?  :claireface: :claireface:

(http://i60.tinypic.com/24y5mrd.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 00:01
The first email I got at work today (spam) was "The Apocalypse has begun".  I'm keeping it for future reference and /or legal action if the Apocalypse doesn't, actually, begin.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 00:05
Regarding Emily, I think we're all underestimating just how deliriously happy she's going to be that her two favourite people are in a relationship. So happy that getting her to leave them alone for one damn minute will be hard.  :lol:

If anyone will be sceptical, I think that it will be Dora. She is protective of Marten, fairly anxious in nature and, I think, doesn't have confidence in his decision-making. I wonder if she'll have a fight with Tai on the subject.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Indicible on 07 Oct 2014, 00:12
So, yes, squeeeeeeee indeed.
Marten making the first move: unprecedented. So, yes, he is growing.
Now to see how Jeph handles the romance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 00:14
Well, he tried making the first move with Lt. Potter as well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 00:25
Also, SQUEEE!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TinPenguin on 07 Oct 2014, 00:30
Finally!

AND IT'S ONLY TUESDAY
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 07 Oct 2014, 00:32
Emily will be sad.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 00:34
Well, he tried making the first move with Lt. Potter as well.

And he asked D for makeouts don't forget. He appears perfectly willing to make the first move when he's had a little liquid courage first and when you consider he had the same before making the first move on Claire its perfectly within character. Today he was already over that hurdle and it was just a matter of making sure she knew it wasn't the booze talking.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RaineThing on 07 Oct 2014, 00:41
So because we saw two strips today does that mean we won't be getting one tomorrow?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: davedig on 07 Oct 2014, 00:50
My reaction to the strips was this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j0lO7uQBo&feature=player_detailpage#t=18

The theme music of all these build ups was the one used from the latest Godzilla movie when he gets up and swims back into the sea. Such wonderful development for Marten and Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 00:52
So because we saw two strips today does that mean we won't be getting one tomorrow?

Revealing tomorrow's strip on the site was probably a technical glitch, so yes, we won't get a new one tomorrow, barring another glitch.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RaineThing on 07 Oct 2014, 00:57
So because we saw two strips today does that mean we won't be getting one tomorrow?

Revealing tomorrow's strip on the site was probably a technical glitch, so yes, we won't get a new one tomorrow, barring another glitch.

awww dam. I'm happy I saw it but now I have nothing to look forward to tomorrow haha
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 07 Oct 2014, 01:01
interesting that with claire, martin seems to have none of the boss/intern hangups he professed to have with emily.

This keeps coming up. It was an excuse, a rationalisation for not being interested in Emily without having to say anything personally disrespectful like "she's too weird".
He's also been mentally blocking his attraction to Claire, and I think Claire was doing the same in 2796 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2796) - my interpretation of which was that she likes Marten but doesn't want to admit it, possibly even to herself but certainly not to anyone else,  so again the "professional relationship" stuff was a smoke screen of rationalization.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 01:14
Actually it was Tai who brought ethics into it http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2737 and Marten doesn't look happy when she does. Could be he was thinking of Claire at the time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 01:40
Actually it was Tai who brought ethics into it http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2737 and Marten doesn't look happy when she does. Could be he was thinking of Claire at the time.

I found this strip particularly funny because it was clear that even Tai wasn't particularly impressed by the implied rule and its' implications for Marten's personal life. Marten's reaction (basically "D'oh! Another unwritten rule for me to follow!") showed that, even then, Faye and Tai had planted in his mind the seeds of his wondering about the Intern Girls on a romantic level.

So because we saw two strips today does that mean we won't be getting one tomorrow?

Revealing tomorrow's strip on the site was probably a technical glitch, so yes, we won't get a new one tomorrow, barring another glitch.

Or, alternately, it was a bonus for feed subscribers and forum members (who could be relied upon to pass the word). That said, no, I don't think that there will be a new strip tomorrow, just a public release of strip 2808.

I actually think that Thursday and Friday's strips will be the start of a new arc or some fillers. Maybe we can find out what happened to May (I'm thinking several exploded bottles of maple syrup on the store's shelves that she foolishly cleaned up without putting on gloves first). Maybe some Steve and Cosette domesticity. Maybe Angus will return and he and Faye will set records for avoiding the elephant sitting in the middle of the room. Or maybe we can peek in on some of the secondary characters for a few strips.

The point is that, for now at least, the Marten-Claire arc is at good point where it can be allowed to lie for a while. The camera can zoom out with them sitting on the Augustus home's porch, holding each other and simply basking in being together and then fade to the commercial break. We may see their first day at work as a couple (possibly with Tai, tongue only partly in cheek, telling them "No make-outs in the stacks! The students are bad enough!"). However, I think we an move away from them in the strip for a while.

I suspect that the next major arc with them will likely be their first date as a couple. This will include plenty of Sims-esque wardrobe selection strips and some classic QC snark being thrown at popular culture and the proper protocol for 'dates' when you already know someone pretty well. However, that won't happen for a while.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 07 Oct 2014, 01:51
Omg omg omg omg. This was better than I ever dared hope.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 07 Oct 2014, 02:20

Note that if you click that link, you won't have anything new to read tomorrow.

I wouldn't say that. The Young protectors updates Wednesdays, and so does XKCD.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 07 Oct 2014, 02:34
Only 10 pages ? You should feel ashamed of yourself, all of you !  :-D

Maybe its easier to talk about horrible things than happy ones sometimes  - or big goofy grins instead of words, words, words :-D
IIRC when Marten and Dora united, the thread about it had hit 35 pages in no time.  :-D

Thats why this was rather meager in comparison.  8-)



I think that was sarcasm bro.
Hey ! I was joking around ! Not sarcastic ! I even put the right smiley there !!!



Revealing tomorrow's strip on the site was probably a technical glitch, so yes, we won't get a new one tomorrow, barring another glitch.
Hmm I only saw one strip today.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: LackOfGrace on 07 Oct 2014, 02:43
Obligatory
Sqeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 02:44
Revealing tomorrow's strip on the site was probably a technical glitch, so yes, we won't get a new one tomorrow, barring another glitch.

Hmm I only saw one strip today.

You can't directly access it from the site's interface, you need to manually enter its address into the address bar. You can wait 24 hours or PM me for the address to copy-and-paste.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 07 Oct 2014, 02:58
I think genetically speaking a father would produce a genetically closer child to what would be a child from the couple.

The father shares exactly half of the genes of his child, the brother shares on average half of the genes of his sister. In either case on average half the genes passed on would be genes shared with the prospective parent.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 03:07
I think genetically speaking a father would produce a genetically closer child to what would be a child from the couple.

The father shares exactly half of the genes of his child, the brother shares on average half of the genes of his sister. In either case on average half the genes passed on would be genes shared with the prospective parent.

Then there is the whole dominant vs. recessive genes issue too that enable you to inherit a majority of physical characteristics from your mother or even your grandparents.

With respect to the Augustus family, I'm thinking that Mr Augustus was probably either a blond or a redhead with blue or green eyes too; those are recessive traits and both parents sharing them would make it far more likely that they would be inherited by the two children. That said, if Hannelore's dad is working on that technology (and I'm sure he is), any Marten + Claire children would be more likely to have black hair as it is a dominant trait and more likely to be expressed in any offspring than red hair.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Alkahest on 07 Oct 2014, 03:09
Kick. Ass.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 07 Oct 2014, 03:12
I did a happy pillow hug, rocking back and forth. 

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Oct 2014, 03:20
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.

The technology that Ellicott-Chatham is working on may only apply when at least one partner can produce eggs. Real-world technology exists to fertilize an egg without sperm (although I don't believe it's been proven to be viable yet), and has since 2001: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1431489.stm

However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 03:43
The technology that Ellicott-Chatham is working on may only apply when at least one partner can produce eggs. Real-world technology exists to fertilize an egg without sperm (although I don't believe it's been proven to be viable yet), and has since 2001: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1431489.stm

However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...

Of course invisible self-aware fighter-bombers, anthropomorphic AIs and town-sized permanently-crewed space stations with artificial gravity are also absurdly difficult and expensive, yet E-C seem to have achieved them. I've seen things in the strip that suggest a transition in the QC-verse might involve the use of nanorobots to restructure the subject's body in ways a RL transition could never do without hideously expensive re-constructive surgery and organ transplants over a period of several years. However, I think discussion of that would be out of place due to forum rules.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Oct 2014, 03:46
However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...

And then you still have the issue of mitochondrial DNA, which sperm don't carry...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 03:58
Of course invisible self-aware fighter-bombers, anthropomorphic AIs and town-sized permanently-crewed space stations with artificial gravity are also absurdly difficult and expensive, yet E-C seem to have achieved them.

That's mostly computer science and physics, though, not biology. While the general technology level might be a good deal higher, it's possible that the biosciences are less advanced.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: cinvid on 07 Oct 2014, 04:01
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yep, came here to say that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Oct 2014, 04:19
So, what are we calling this? The Big Squee? The Squeepocalypse? We need to settle this before we can move on.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 04:31
So, what are we calling this? The Big Squee? The Squeepocalypse? We need to settle this before we can move on.  :-D

"Like and Comfortable", based on Marten's two criteria for going for it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TadPrime on 07 Oct 2014, 04:50
Too direct and decisivefor Marten; this is a Claire dream.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Oct 2014, 04:55
What worries me is that the technology to allow Tai and Dora, and Claire and Marten now, to have a reasonable number of babies isn't ready. Their kids will be totally adorable. Ellicott-Chatham Technologies better hurry up.
It's coming soon here though. One generation, tops.

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Gothenburg, Sweden: The parents of the first baby born to a woman who had a womb transplant say they hope they can be an inspiration to others struggling with infertility.

After what they describe as a rollercoaster of a journey, the unnamed Swedish couple finally became parents last month, when the mother gave birth to a healthy but premature baby boy. For the couple, making history was an afterthought.

"Yes, we're the first to do this, but that's not the important thing," she said during an interview at their home, in an undisclosed part of Sweden. "I want people to know that what they think is impossible can happen."

To mark their baby's birth as a victory over their difficult journey to parenthood, they named him Vincent, meaning "to conquer".

Cradling her sleeping young son, she said she still could not believe she was finally a mother, after being told at 15 that she had no womb and would never carry her own children. Now 36, she was one of nine women to receive a transplanted womb last year in a groundbreaking trial led by Dr Mats Brannstrom, a professor of gynaecology and obstetrics at the University of Gothenburg and Stockholm IVF.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/woman-with-womb-transplant-marvels-at-baby-20141007-10rjo3.html#ixzz3FSVvJis5

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Abstract

Stem cells are undifferentiated cells that are present in the embryonic, fetal, and adult stages of life and give rise to differentiated cells that make up the building blocks of tissue and organs. Due to their unlimited source and high differentiation potential, stem cells are considered as potentially new therapeutic agents for the treatment of infertility. Stem cells could be stimulated in vitro to develop various numbers of specialized cells including male and female gametes suggesting their potential use in reproductive medicine. During past few years a considerable progress in the derivation of male germ cells from pluripotent stem cells has been made. In addition, stem cell-based strategies for ovarian regeneration and oocyte production have been proposed as future clinical therapies for treating infertility in women. In this review, we summarized current knowledge and present future perspectives and challenges regarding the use of stem cells in reproductive medicine.
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/507234/abs/

Too late for me. But I cheated, so won the biological parental prize anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 05:06
An alternate prediction for Thursday and Friday's strips:

THURSDAY:
Panel 1: Marten waiting on the porch;
Panel 2: Full-body of Claire in a new wardrobe (maybe a long skirt with a knee-height slit and an off-one-shoulder top and maybe a touch of make-up);
Panel 3: Marten says it's a good new look and Claire replies that's she's celebrating the day by being done with apologising for her femininity;
Panel 4: Marten and Claire walking down a street in Northhampton; Marten makes some Indy-music-reference comment relevant to the theme of 'no apologies' and Claire responds in a way that shows she gets it (yes, she does like Indy music, remember?).

FRIDAY:
Panel 1: Marten and Claire leaving CoD (Faye and Hanners working the counter in the background) with several coffees and an 'Azuma Special', both smiling at each other;
Panel 2: Faye: "Did you see that?" Hanners: "Do you think...?" Dora (on her cell): "Tai! You'll never guess who just breezed through the store looking like teenagers in love!"
Panel 3: Marten and Claire enter the library, hand in hand;
Panel 4: They stop dead, eyes wide at what they see;
Panel 5 (double width): Tai, Emily, Gabby and Momo standing behind the counter, all cheering, under a hastily-produced bedsheet banner: 'Congratulations Lovebirds!'; Emily is throwing confetti into the air.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 05:15
That's beautiful, BenRG, but not likely to happen, I think.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 07 Oct 2014, 05:29
Unless Clinton makes a sudden appearance, I think this thread has come to a natural end. Marten and Claire need to get off stage for a while. Predictions for the next few days:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 05:31
The technology that Ellicott-Chatham is working on may only apply when at least one partner can produce eggs. Real-world technology exists to fertilize an egg without sperm (although I don't believe it's been proven to be viable yet), and has since 2001: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1431489.stm

However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...

Of course invisible self-aware fighter-bombers, anthropomorphic AIs and town-sized permanently-crewed space stations with artificial gravity are also absurdly difficult and expensive, yet E-C seem to have achieved them. I've seen things in the strip that suggest a transition in the QC-verse might involve the use of nanorobots to restructure the subject's body in ways a RL transition could never do without hideously expensive re-constructive surgery and organ transplants over a period of several years. However, I think discussion of that would be out of place due to forum rules.

HannerDad is basically the justification for any wacky, light-years-ahead-of-our-time bit of technology Jeph might like to introduce to the strip. And, by extension, for any speculations we might have about what might be possible. The lampshading is easy-peasy: Just have Hanners pop in to say "Oh, that incredibly sophisticated and improbably scientific/tech development? Yeah, my dad made that shit happen."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: techkid on 07 Oct 2014, 05:33
Dammit, Jeph! You just successfully defrosted my otherwise cold, bitter heart!

Seriously, I am totally lost for words. The moment is just... too beautiful.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: CaptainFish on 07 Oct 2014, 05:35
Yay, Marten dealt with it with tact and confidence, and Claire is totally into it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: GarandMarine on 07 Oct 2014, 05:41
If you start from the assumption that he's only thought about it in the last couple of days (comic time), sure it'd be jarring. But he's had much longer to think about it -- at least since the two of them dozed off in the same bed after the wedding -- and if you look at it in that light, it makes a lot more sense.

One could argue it's bad writing if you have a sudden divergence in a plot, with the explanation that important developments happened off page. 

It also just doesn't make sense considering Marten shares drama on the littlest things, like Emily kissing him on the cheek, with multiple friends. 

So what you're saying is: he's acting too formulaic and not like his true self?

Yeah.  Honestly it feels like fanservice to me.  Jeph knew it would be popular, so he decided to do it (probably around 3-4 weeks ago).  To the extent there was any foreshadowing, it was just so minor compared to what Jeph set up regarding Faye and Dora. 

I mean, I've been reading QC since almost the beginning.  This is just so disappointing to me.  Maybe it wouldn't have been as disappointing to me if I didn't start reading the forums again, because I would have had no idea that people were rooting for this, and probably would have perceived it differently. 

Claire? She trusts him, he trusts her, they're comfortable around each other, and in a moment of vulnerability for both of them (Marten being drunk, Claire having been forced to think about it by Faye), they connect. Claire realizes that she's been attracted to Marten all along, Marten realizes that he's liked Claire all along, and then the next morning... (And, the tension has probably been there on Claire's part since the lake party, and Marten's part since the wedding, I think.)

As I said, there's plenty of reason for it to happen, I just don't like how it happened.  Marten should have bolted out of bed, tried to talk to Faye about what happened for 2-3 strips, maybe tried to talk about it with Steve or Tai, and then done something.  There should have been some hand-wringing involved.  Maybe not about the trans thing, but something.


This.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 07 Oct 2014, 05:50
So, what are we calling this? The Big Squee? The Squeepocalypse? We need to settle this before we can move on.  :-D
A+
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Oct 2014, 05:52
KOK is absolutely right. A+ it is!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Oct 2014, 05:54
Is... and will be!  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 07 Oct 2014, 06:01
Oh. Good. You're all still here. I read the comic and came in here with the expectation that a nuclear blast of squee had wiped the whole place out.  That there might be a squeecloud of some sort and nothing but rubble...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Oct 2014, 06:04
Well, after the comic was posted the thread grew by four pages in under four hours; that was about one post a minute.  Now that the US is waking up, I expect the rate to increase again.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 06:05
Well, after the comic was posted the thread grew by four pages in under four hours; that was about one post a minute.  Now that the US is waking up, I expect the rate to increase again.

What, you don't think that they stayed up ultra-late to wait for Jeph to post? :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 06:07
So, what are we calling this? The Big Squee? The Squeepocalypse? We need to settle this before we can move on.  :-D

Humans have a tremendous capacity for self deception.  In our arrogance we thought we were ready for anything, then one day in 2014 it all changed. That day we discovered that everything we thought we knew didn't amount to anything in the face of what was coming for us. It was the day of the squee. Be afraid.

Edit; Fixed a typo
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 06:17
Really, the crowning moment of heartwarming for this arc is Claire's little smile in Strip 2808, panel 3. She's suddenly let herself believe that this is really happening and suddenly the day and life itself has totally changed for her.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rail on 07 Oct 2014, 06:26
interesting that with claire, martin seems to have none of the boss/intern hangups he professed to have with emily.

He's been using that excuse for a while as a way of rationalising why he shouldn't get romantically involved with the interns. And with him not being attracted to Emily, he has kept using that excuse to justify not wanting to get involved with her (not that she really demonstrated romantic interest in Marten).

It's easy to do nothing when you can rationalise not doing it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 07 Oct 2014, 06:32
Really, the crowning moment of heartwarming for this arc is Claire's little smile in Strip 2808, panel 3. She's suddenly let herself believe that this is really happening and suddenly the day and life itself has totally changed for her.

The blush is gone. That was the first thing I noticed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Uniquitous on 07 Oct 2014, 06:36
My mental soundtrack for this kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Swedish Chef on 07 Oct 2014, 06:36
#2808 is still up for me, and despite not being The Kiss(tm) might actually be more squeetastic.

2808 is/was/will have been/whilom haven been pitch-perfect. Am I the only one who tried to see if 2809 was there too?

I'm still not happy about this.  Not unhappy about the relationship mind you, but just unhappy about Marten's actions over the last few weeks of the comic. 

A few weeks back, Claire tried to flirt with Marten, and it went over his head entirely, causing him to instead self-reflect about being at the library (and Tai's status).  In strip time, it was only yesterday!  Then Marten got replaced with some doe-eyed constantly smiling chill dude who somehow is doing all he can to keep the ship afloat. 

I know people chalk it up to character growth, but frankly it seems like Marten has been replaced by a pod person.  Not to say that Marten couldn't, or wouldn't hook up with Claire, but not like this.  There has been "no Marten" to speak of in the last two weeks - you could have subbed in any random dude and the dialogue would have made just as much sense. 

If you start from the assumption that he's only thought about it in the last couple of days (comic time), sure it'd be jarring. But he's had much longer to think about it -- at least since the two of them dozed off in the same bed after the wedding -- and if you look at it in that light, it makes a lot more sense.

I do share eschalon's feelings on this one; the whole thing looks too rushed/unreal. First Marten craves pancackes to clean a drunken night away, then he's eating at Claire's house, then you get some odd explanation as to why he ended up at Claire's house in the first place.

And now ... Since the invention of the kiss, there have only been five kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure.

I don't know, I just don't know.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: McFace on 07 Oct 2014, 06:43
I do share eschalon's feelings on this one; the whole thing looks too rushed/unreal. First Marten craves pancackes to clean a drunken night away, then he's eating at Claire's house, then you get some odd explanation as to why he ended up at Claire's house in the first place.

And now ... Since the invention of the kiss, there have only been five kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure.

I don't know, I just don't know.

Do you have an issue with any of the other "odd" things that have happened in this comic? The sequence of events that led up to Marten getting to Claire's house actually seems par for the course for QC.

Hell it's even totally believable IRL. When I lived with my parents they would answer my cell phone if I wasn't going to.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: katharsys on 07 Oct 2014, 06:49
I... I... *sigh* I am at a loss for words, which in this case isn't a bad thing.

I would squee some more, but I think I am all squeed out at this point. Just going to settle for a contented sigh and say A+.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 06:50
My mental soundtrack for this kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

Thanks.  Now this, and Transformers and Regular Show, is going to be stuck in my head all day.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: grouchygizmo on 07 Oct 2014, 06:52
So I am still re-reading the comic, and came across this page: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2245  Maybe Marten took that piece to heart, about "Waiting is for suckers"?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bryntheskits on 07 Oct 2014, 06:53
(http://i.imgur.com/tcoMcbW.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 07:09
My mental soundtrack for this kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

So then I'm the only one who went with the old standby?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 07 Oct 2014, 07:13
This is going to give someone a heart attack. It's finally happening after so much suspense. I've been waiting for this since claire was first introduced.  :mrgreen: Jeph is giving people what they want. I'll be heartbroken when they inevitably break up. No couples last forever in QC.

Are you wishing doom on Peter and Elssa? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: SteveCostello on 07 Oct 2014, 07:13
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit holyshit EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Devlosirrus on 07 Oct 2014, 07:22
My mental soundtrack for this kiss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKpByV5764

So then I'm the only one who went with the old standby?

This calls for TMBG.  http://youtu.be/au-B2W7S6lc
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 07:30


This calls for TMBG. 

I'm not going to break out the Dressy Bessy so you win.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: kryptoknight on 07 Oct 2014, 07:31
The squee that was induced by 2807 and 2808 may have liquified my brain.  Please excuse me whilst I go scoop up my grey matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 07 Oct 2014, 07:44
You mean like the Marten in 2666?  Which led to 2672, and which was immediately followed by a surprise visit from his mother to go on a date, which led to 2702, with some important advice from Mom in 2703. Which was followed later by Marten's field trip with Emily and Samantha, which led to a momentary confusion about Emily's possible interest and wondering why it freaked him out so much (2769).

The relationship between Claire and Marten has been a slow burn ever since Claire came out to him and ever since the wedding. He's actually become closer friends with Claire than everybody from the library, including Tai. So, when they both got a little drunk and Claire revealed her crush to him and then pulled back, Marten finally realized that Claire might see him more than as a friend. After Marten, in his words, "processed" what happened and what he now knows about Clarie's feelings (basically, he hit pause and did his mulling about the possibilities), he decided to take the risk and call Claire. Yeah, he missed Claire's attempt at flirting, but don't you think that happens a lot, with Marten and most people in general?

Marten's character been finding a direction for a long time now, ever since screwing up with Padma. Yeah, it might be hard to notice, because QC has become a large ensemble comic, but it's definitely there.

Martin was clearly going through a crisis in terms of life direction and what he wanted.  But IMHO it's kind of offensive to say what he was looking to fill the hole was a woman.  It especially becomes clear if you think about the genders being flipped around - if Marten was a girl who was fluttering around aimlessly, and then a man completed her.  Marten's main issue is he's a full on grownup with no plan for the future.  He doesn't want to go to grad school, he doesn't seem interested in a real job, and basically has nothing but vague dreams of being a musician he doesn't try too hard on.  He's a reasonably smart dude with no ambition.   

Maybe Claire can give him the support he needs to actually, you know, stop acting like a boy and become a man.  But it would have been so much more rewarding to see Martin genuinely grow up while he was single than to do it under Claire's tutelage.  Sort of similar to how Faye did so much improvement of herself while being single before Angus ever came into the picture. 

That's what I was seriously expecting from Martin anyway.  Becoming a grownup.  And that's why I'm a bit let down if, as people said, this is what Martin's new "decisiveness" boiled down to.

In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Clairmom probably doesn't have viable eggs any longer.  Most women cannot get pregnant via their own eggs past age 44, and I'm guessing she's at least a few years older than that. 

However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...

I don't think this violates forum rules to say.  My apologies if it does, but given it's been established that Claire has been on hormones for 5-6 years, no matter the status of her bits, she isn't going to have any sperm to extract DNA from.  The DNA would have to come directly from somatic (body) cells, not gametes. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 07:47
However, without ovaries to produce an egg, this becomes harder. (IIRC, essentially what has to be done is, get a donor egg, REMOVE the DNA from it, add the DNA from one sperm (better make sure it's an X somehow, too, you don't want to end up with a YY baby), which would be absurdly difficult. Then fertilize that egg.) I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but...

And then you still have the issue of mitochondrial DNA, which sperm don't carry...

Mitochondrial DNA isn't a big deal and all you have to do is use the egg from a relative from the mother side of one of the individuals. It is entirely possible but there is a good chance of the proccess not going whrere it should go. Mostly of the times the embryo just becomes inviable and dies (like a YY or a triploid or another kid of serious chromossome aberration) but there are the smaller accidents.


Do you at least talk to people?
(click to show/hide)

Is that Watamote(I've watched part of the anime, but wasn't aware of a manga.)
Yeah, recently I found a blog by an aspie writer and she sais that is is a perfect despiction of an aspie train of thought.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tormuse on 07 Oct 2014, 07:48
SQUEEEE!  :D

That is all.  :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Alkahest on 07 Oct 2014, 07:53
I'm not in the habit of reviewing the relationships of fictional character, but I can't shake the feeling that this romance is more... real, somehow, than Marten's previous things. And above all, it feels like a relationship in which all Marten's strengths - his kindness, tolerance and general laid-backness - might shine more brightly than before.

I don't think I've ever so much looked forward to seeing where this comic goes, as I do know. I just want to see these two persons complete each other. That'd make me all fuzzy inside.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 07:58
In case of Claire and Marten, Claire's mother could serve as surrogate mother and egg donor. Things like this are not new and have happened before.

Clairmom probably doesn't have viable eggs any longer.  Most women cannot get pregnant via their own eggs past age 44, and I'm guessing she's at least a few years older than that. 
You are wrong in two points.
Yes, woman past 44 can get pregnenant. The chances are smaller but it is not even close to "cannot get" the main concern is on genetic problems like down's syndrome.

And I don't think Claire's mom look that old, she looks pretty youthful (and hot)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/surrogate-mother-61-gives-birth-to-her-grandson/blogEntry?id=17151493&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.br%2F
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Soulsynger on 07 Oct 2014, 07:59
I haven't written anything in a while because the comic seemed to be ebbing along for some time there but ...

... yesterday, I could feel the internet collectively sucking in air in suspenseful silence. And today an entire community of fans of a certain webcomic squeed in such a high pitch that I'm certain even the Jedis have felt it!  :-D


Without further adoo, I will join and thusly forfeit all the manliness that I've accumulated over the past months of working construction:
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DrBear on 07 Oct 2014, 08:05
Just a thought about two episodes being available today...

Maybe I'm overthinking (like Marten used to do) but it could be the reason Jeph leaked the second comic quietly was because he knew there would be something of a discussion about how Marten would handle Claire's gender status, and he wanted to make it clear that Marten had given it some thought and was more concerned about Claire the person than, well, Claire the trans person. For now, end of that discussion.

"Cross that bridge when we get to it" works out pretty well.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 08:20
My guess as to what will happen in the next few days. Claire and Marten will go to CoD and Faye being all content with playing matchmaker will undoubtedly lead to her own relationship problems and that is where the story arc will jump to her and Angus
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 07 Oct 2014, 08:40

You're missing the point.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LGK3SiFBdYs/VDNlc-e7ReI/AAAAAAAAYus/wqWkTGpV2nk/s1600/PANCAKES.png)

Warning - while you were typing 8542 new squees have been squeeed. You may wish to review your post and add squee.

This is butter AND honey/maple syrup?
You in the north hemisphere are very strange people...

The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them, then provides a carafe of syrup to dip in. It is simultaneously too much and perfection.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 08:41
So what exactly happened with #2808? It was leaked, but now it's gone? Will it still be tomorrow's comic, or was it some sort of mistake that will never be posted and never be canon now?

And if the latter is the case, is it screen-capped somewhere?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 08:43
The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them, then provides a carafe of syrup to dip in. It is simultaneously too much and perfection.
Wouldn't that make them non-vegan?  :?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 08:43
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 07 Oct 2014, 08:45
So what exactly happened with #2808? It was leaked, but now it's gone?

It's uploaded, but not published through the web site.  There are multiple links to it back in the thread; or you can just click the Previous button and then edit the comic number in the URL to the number for tomorrow's post.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: RyanW1019 on 07 Oct 2014, 08:45
So what exactly happened with #2808? It was leaked, but now it's gone? Will it still be tomorrow's comic, or was it some sort of mistake that will never be posted and never be canon now?

And if the latter is the case, is it screen-capped somewhere?

Pretty sure it was put up early by accident. You can still see it if you change the comic number in the address bar to 2808, although hitting the Next button on the front page doesn't work.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 08:47
I can see and understand some of the criticism of the storyline to this point, but I guess there's no way everyone is going to be 100% happy with the execution of a major plot development in a well-loved story.  It may have happened too easily or quickly for some tastes, it may seem completely implausible to others.

That said, sometimes all you've got is "here's what happened," to borrow a line from Stephen King.  Barring someone waking up from a rather involved dream, this is what happened.  There may be details that get filled in later and there may not be, but whether by walking, driving, flying, or teleportation - here we are.

I happen to be really, really happy with what happened, so I understand in advance if my bias is challenged.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: iandanger on 07 Oct 2014, 08:47

The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them, then provides a carafe of syrup to dip in. It is simultaneously too much and perfection.
Wouldn't that make them non-vegan?  :?

No, it is earth balance, but it's slower to type the full brand name
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 08:48
That's what I was seriously expecting from Martin anyway.  Becoming a grownup.  And that's why I'm a bit let down if, as people said, this is what Martin's new "decisiveness" boiled down to.

Personally, I think that the mistake that some posters are making (and I made it too) is that we all forgot that Marten's growing up has been going on all the time. It arguably started as far back as when Lt Porter called him an ass for avoiding Padma. He's since been slowly and certainly painfully sometimes, learning the importance to move forwards on his own initiative. He's seen how it is working out for others and he's seen how failing to do so has hurt them on occasion.

His experience with Claire is simply the final outcome. Claire's own situation and his general need to be protective of his friends meant that he couldn't be passive and let her set the pace. He had to take the initiative or there was no telling how badly she might be hurt. Once he set himself the intent of sorting things out (even if only after breakfast), his fairly quick internal monologue would have probably done the rest.

So, Claire isn't an end in of itself - It's one of the outcomes of him either reaching or approaching that end. We might see other outcomes, such as him doing more with Deathmole (maybe persuading Amir to hire a keyboardist and a vocalist as well as working on more songs)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 08:50
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

I would like my vegan pancakes with eggs and bacon please!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 08:51
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smashwidget on 07 Oct 2014, 08:52
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 08:56
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.

Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 08:59
I've heard it's pretty good but I can't just get rid of my regular butter.  Maybe I should, just so I can cut a source of fat out of my diet.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 09:05
Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again

This is what I don't understand about vegans. There are nearly unlimited variety of vegetal products but they keep making fake meat. Meat is not something that common in undeveloped poor areas and people make many interesting dishes with what they have available yet people ignore it all and keep advertising fake meat.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: HES on 07 Oct 2014, 09:06
it could be the reason Jeph leaked the second comic quietly was because he knew there would be something of a discussion about how Marten would handle Claire's gender status, and he wanted to make it clear that Marten had given it some thought and was more concerned about Claire the person than, well, Claire the trans person. For now, end of that discussion.
Perhaps, it certainly is an important follow-on that isn't really much of a spoiler (whereas leaking the kiss would have been awful). A convenient accident, at least.

For those who keep asking about the not-so-missing comic you can still get there by direct link (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2808).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 09:06
I've heard it's pretty good but I can't just get rid of my regular butter.  Maybe I should, just so I can cut a source of fat out of my diet.

Butter is actually healthier calorie wise for you than almond butter with the fat being around the same per serving
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 09:07
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

I would like my vegan pancakes with eggs and bacon please!

At my local vegan joint, they'd just bring you scrambled tofu and some god-awful soy-based abomination that they spray-painted pink in the prep room.

I like to eat vegan, but I HATE attempts at having items comparable to traditional animal-flesh fare. They're not making veganism better, they're just making bacon & eggs shitty.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 07 Oct 2014, 09:08
I'm not in the habit of reviewing the relationships of fictional character, but I can't shake the feeling that this romance is more... real, somehow, than Marten's previous things. And above all, it feels like a relationship in which all Marten's strengths - his kindness, tolerance and general laid-backness - might shine more brightly than before.

It's in his eyes.  Those big, shiny blue eyes. 


When was the last time he blinked? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 09:08
I've heard it's pretty good but I can't just get rid of my regular butter.  Maybe I should, just so I can cut a source of fat out of my diet.
Almond butter also have fat. So does peanut butter and nutella
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 09:09
So what exactly happened with #2808? It was leaked, but now it's gone?

It's uploaded, but not published through the web site.  There are multiple links to it back in the thread; or you can just click the Previous button and then edit the comic number in the URL to the number for tomorrow's post.

Thanks! I have no self-restraint, so after about 3 seconds of pretending I wasn't gonna read it, I read it, and OMG Woohoo!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 09:10
I'm not in the habit of reviewing the relationships of fictional character, but I can't shake the feeling that this romance is more... real, somehow, than Marten's previous things. And above all, it feels like a relationship in which all Marten's strengths - his kindness, tolerance and general laid-backness - might shine more brightly than before.

It's in his eyes.  Those big, shiny blue eyes. 


When was the last time he blinked?
That was before he needed to blink. Now he is full machine and no longer is vulnerable to such weaknesses
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 09:11
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.

Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again

Nut butters (hur hur) aren't really comparable to dairy butter though, right? I mean, not even close. I could imagine someone saying "butter" when they mean margarine, or even that Earth Balance garbage, but who just says "butter" when they mean peanut/almond/etc.?

No one, that's who.

I have hard opinions on things.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 09:14
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.

Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again

Nut butters (hur hur) aren't really comparable to dairy butter though, right? I mean, not even close. I could imagine someone saying "butter" when they mean margarine, or even that Earth Balance garbage, but who just says "butter" when they mean peanut/almond/etc.?

No one, that's who.

I have hard opinions on things.
I think it follows the peanut butter trend. Probably they use butter as a word for a texture firmer than cream.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 09:17
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.

Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again

Nut butters (hur hur) aren't really comparable to dairy butter though, right? I mean, not even close. I could imagine someone saying "butter" when they mean margarine, or even that Earth Balance garbage, but who just says "butter" when they mean peanut/almond/etc.?

No one, that's who.

I have hard opinions on things.
I think it follows the peanut butter trend. Probably they use butter as a word for a texture firmer than cream.

Yeah, totally, but I think you always need to use some sort of indehiscent-related* modifier if you want anyone to know you're talking about something besides dairy butter or margarine.


*Why yes, I DID just read the Wikipedia entry for "Nuts."
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 09:19
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

I would like my vegan pancakes with eggs and bacon please!

At my local vegan joint, they'd just bring you scrambled tofu and some god-awful soy-based abomination that they spray-painted pink in the prep room.

I like to eat vegan, but I HATE attempts at having items comparable to traditional animal-flesh fare. They're not making veganism better, they're just making bacon & eggs shitty.

I try to eat one vegan meal a week, but still eat normally the rest of the week. But what they did to the bacon and eggs was a travesty, I could see the pan indents on the bottom of the tofu eggs and had to douse it in sriracha before it tasted like anything.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 09:22
I should sell petroleum jelly as a dairy free/nut free/gluten free/soy free/allergen free/vegetable free/calorie free butter!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 09:22
Huh, that's good to know.  Learning is awesome!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mlle Germain on 07 Oct 2014, 10:06
Tuesday and up to 12 pages? Not bad.
Comic is going along nicely, right? I'm glad that Claire has overcome her anxiety so far and I'm looking forward to what happens next.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Oct 2014, 10:11
I should sell petroleum jelly as a dairy free/nut free/gluten free/soy free/allergen free/vegetable free/calorie free butter!
"She don't use jelly"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Oct 2014, 10:16
This is what I don't understand about vegans. There are nearly unlimited variety of vegetal products but they keep making fake meat. Meat is not something that common in undeveloped poor areas and people make many interesting dishes with what they have available yet people ignore it all and keep advertising fake meat.

I'm vegan and I never buy fake meat. Sometimes I buy vegan items which are shaped similarly to some meat items - such as vegan sausages, burgers or soya mince - but that is not fake meat. That is just the shape that food is. Pigs don't grow in sausage shapes.

The reason those products exist isn't because vegans demand them, but because a) the food industry generally lacks imagination and b) it is a lot more profitable to sell a wide range of speciality items rather than just vegetables, pulses and grains.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 07 Oct 2014, 10:30
This is what I don't understand about vegans. There are nearly unlimited variety of vegetal products but they keep making fake meat. Meat is not something that common in undeveloped poor areas and people make many interesting dishes with what they have available yet people ignore it all and keep advertising fake meat.

I'm vegan and I never buy fake meat. Sometimes I buy vegan items which are shaped similarly to some meat items - such as vegan sausages, burgers or soya mince - but that is not fake meat. That is just the shape that food is. Pigs don't grow in sausage shapes.

The reason those products exist isn't because vegans demand them, but because a) the food industry generally lacks imagination and b) it is a lot more profitable to sell a wide range of speciality items rather than just vegetables, pulses and grains.

I was going to say that about veggie patties and stuff but you worded it better than me.

As far as mock meats themselves, I do eat them. The 'fake meat' thing is kind of dumb, but the things used as fake meat- generally variations on seitan and soy products- have good texture to add to other dishes.

Regarding bacon (which is neither a product like seitan or a shape that food is), I think it's just a poorly-executed response to those meat eaters who go 'but BACON!?' to all vegetarians/vegans
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 07 Oct 2014, 10:50
You are wrong in two points.
Yes, woman past 44 can get pregnenant. The chances are smaller but it is not even close to "cannot get" the main concern is on genetic problems like down's syndrome.

And I don't think Claire's mom look that old, she looks pretty youthful (and hot)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/surrogate-mother-61-gives-birth-to-her-grandson/blogEntry?id=17151493&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.br%2F

I said via their own eggs.  The woman in the linked article carried her daughter's pregnancy to term. 

My wife is 43.  I don't think you can't be hot at that age, or youthful.   :psyduck:  But I think the wrinkles around Clairemom's eyes are supposed to convey a somewhat older status.  Might be a tad younger than Martin's Mom at 56, but not much. 

Personally, I think that the mistake that some posters are making (and I made it too) is that we all forgot that Marten's growing up has been going on all the time. It arguably started as far back as when Lt Porter called him an ass for avoiding Padma. He's since been slowly and certainly painfully sometimes, learning the importance to move forwards on his own initiative. He's seen how it is working out for others and he's seen how failing to do so has hurt them on occasion.

His experience with Claire is simply the final outcome. Claire's own situation and his general need to be protective of his friends meant that he couldn't be passive and let her set the pace. He had to take the initiative or there was no telling how badly she might be hurt. Once he set himself the intent of sorting things out (even if only after breakfast), his fairly quick internal monologue would have probably done the rest.

So, Claire isn't an end in of itself - It's one of the outcomes of him either reaching or approaching that end. We might see other outcomes, such as him doing more with Deathmole (maybe persuading Amir to hire a keyboardist and a vocalist as well as working on more songs)

Marten's done a lot of thinking about being more decisive, but he hasn't really been any more decisive up until now.  Well, I suppose the one-night-stand thing was outside of his comfort zone, even if it was a failure.  Still, I wish he would apply it to his life beyond romance. 

Almond butter sounds delicious.

I've had really good gravy based on almond butter (in Northampton actually!) but it would suck as a butter substitute. 

I've heard it's pretty good but I can't just get rid of my regular butter.  Maybe I should, just so I can cut a source of fat out of my diet.

Earth Balance pretty much tastes just like butter.  At least I think so.  It's been 18 years since I've become vegan, so it's not like I remember butter all that well. 

This is what I don't understand about vegans. There are nearly unlimited variety of vegetal products but they keep making fake meat. Meat is not something that common in undeveloped poor areas and people make many interesting dishes with what they have available yet people ignore it all and keep advertising fake meat.

To each their own.  I mean, I went through a period when I was first a vegetarian (I was one for four years before becoming a vegan) where I lived on veggie burgers.  Now I think they're gross.  I eat fake meat more than I'd like since my daughter likes soy nuggets, but for the most part I don't try it save for novelty.  Except for veggie beef type things - I frankly think they're disgusting.  I'll cook them for my wife, but no way will I eat them myself.  I'd much prefer to get my protein through straight-up seitan, tofu, or tempeh. 

Really though, if you're a vegan for ethical reasons, why wouldn't you feel comfortable with cruelty-free substitutes? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: qqemokitty on 07 Oct 2014, 10:58
OOOOMMMGGGGG IM SO HAPPPPYYYYY!

I've been reading QC for what seems like a million years but I don't think any storyline has kept me so on the edge of my seat and so damn happy when what I wanted to happen, happened. Like others, I signed up JUST to express my ridiculous level of SQUEE.

Please don't let this be Claire dreaming, or I will cry. >.>
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: billydaking on 07 Oct 2014, 10:59
But IMHO it's kind of offensive to say what he was looking to fill the hole was a woman.  It especially becomes clear if you think about the genders being flipped around - if Marten was a girl who was fluttering around aimlessly, and then a man completed her.  Marten's main issue is he's a full on grownup with no plan for the future.  He doesn't want to go to grad school, he doesn't seem interested in a real job, and basically has nothing but vague dreams of being a musician he doesn't try too hard on.  He's a reasonably smart dude with no ambition. 

Maybe Claire can give him the support he needs to actually, you know, stop acting like a boy and become a man.  But it would have been so much more rewarding to see Martin genuinely grow up while he was single than to do it under Claire's tutelage.  Sort of similar to how Faye did so much improvement of herself while being single before Angus ever came into the picture.


That's what I was seriously expecting from Martin anyway.  Becoming a grownup.  And that's why I'm a bit let down if, as people said, this is what Martin's new "decisiveness" boiled down to.


Going to be blunt...I'm just revolted in this way of thinking. Marten was not "looking for a hole to fill". That's not what happened here, and this an inhumane interpretation. It's not about being "completed" or about "decisiveness" .

Life throws you things, whether you're ready or not. For the past few years in the comic, Marten has been learning to deal with those curveballs, and more and more, he's been the one his friends have been coming to when they've got something going on. If you haven't noticed that change, that's unfortunate, because it's one of the best things of the comic these days. Claire's reveal of her feelings for Marten was the latest thing, probably the most important thing, and he reacted in a way that's far more grownup and mature than any of the other characters have shown so far in similar situations.

Yeah, Marten still hasn't figured out what to do with his life. Got news for you....the vast majority of people never do. How many people actually use their college degree? How many people actually manage to achieve whatever life plan they concoct when they're in their mid-20s? Most drift from job to job finding something we enjoy doing that pays the bills and buys a little freedom. It's what we actually do in the time we have and with the people we're given that makes our life and leaves our memory. You paint Marten as a near-worthless, listless man, yet you never consider the value of his life to Faye, Nora, Tai, and Hanners. The man is better than you're painting, and so is his life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Oct 2014, 11:02
My wife is 43.  I don't think you can't be hot at that age, or youthful.   :psyduck:  But I think the wrinkles around Clairemom's eyes are supposed to convey a somewhat older status.  Might be a tad younger than Martin's Mom at 56, but not much. 

I've been assuming that Claire's mom is roughly twice Claire's age, which would make her 48, more or less. And incidentally the same age as my wife.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Oct 2014, 11:07
I should sell petroleum jelly as a dairy free/nut free/gluten free/soy free/allergen free/vegetable free/calorie free butter!
"She don't use jelly"

(http://legendariummedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/watching_avengers_i_understood_a_gif_reference-88347.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AliceGroove on 07 Oct 2014, 11:10
As a longtime lurker (and longer-time reader of QC) I can officially say that the amount of "Squee" has reached critical levels. Though, after the weekend of waiting I just had... I'm simply glad the power of pancakes was able to supersede the gravitational pull of Steve's Cereal.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Oct 2014, 11:11
As a longtime lurker (and longer-time reader of QC) I can officially say that the amount of "Squee" has reached critical levels. Though, after the weekend of waiting I just had... I'm simply glad the power of pancakes was able to supersede the gravitational pull of Steve's Cereal.

You must be the first user to have a surname related to the new comic series, and you have also simultaneously discovered the coolest one that will ever exist related to it. Kudos, mu'fucka.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AliceGroove on 07 Oct 2014, 11:22
As a longtime lurker (and longer-time reader of QC) I can officially say that the amount of "Squee" has reached critical levels. Though, after the weekend of waiting I just had... I'm simply glad the power of pancakes was able to supersede the gravitational pull of Steve's Cereal.

You must be the first user to have a surname related to the new comic series, and you have also simultaneously discovered the coolest one that will ever exist related to it. Kudos, mu'fucka.

Xie xie. I figured with the timing of my arrival I could either go the Claire-Marten squee-factory route, or jump in the deep-end with a reference to Jeph's new venture.

Hopefully it catches on and we can look forward to more wind-turbine related dramatics in the future. I'm sure they'll help keep the new comic cool.  :claireface:

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aae4573dfacb2214759a8ebd9c5d0f9180276d2a774b93ac3324a024803ba0f9.jpg)

...or....not.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 11:28
Second post on the forums and it has a pun in it?  You'll fit right in.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Oct 2014, 11:41
As a longtime lurker (and longer-time reader of QC) I can officially say that the amount of "Squee" has reached critical levels. Though, after the weekend of waiting I just had... I'm simply glad the power of pancakes was able to supersede the gravitational pull of Steve's Cereal.

You must be the first user to have a surname related to the new comic series, and you have also simultaneously discovered the coolest one that will ever exist related to it. Kudos, mu'fucka.

Xie xie. I figured with the timing of my arrival I could either go the Claire-Marten squee-factory route, or jump in the deep-end with a reference to Jeph's new venture.

Hopefully it catches on and we can look forward to more wind-turbine related dramatics in the future. I'm sure they'll help keep the new comic cool.  :claireface:

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aae4573dfacb2214759a8ebd9c5d0f9180276d2a774b93ac3324a024803ba0f9.jpg)

...or....not.

You can definitely stay.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 07 Oct 2014, 11:44
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

I would like my vegan pancakes with eggs and bacon please!

At my local vegan joint, they'd just bring you scrambled tofu and some god-awful soy-based abomination that they spray-painted pink in the prep room.

I like to eat vegan, but I HATE attempts at having items comparable to traditional animal-flesh fare. They're not making veganism better, they're just making bacon & eggs shitty.

Usually fake meat from a store is horrid  and I avoid it with thee notable exception being Soyrizo.  If you like the Mexican Chorizo, this stuff is just about indistinguishable from what I used eat.  But most of the fake meat is just depressing.

Another exception is The Chicago Diner.  I can personally vouch that the Country Fried Steak is amazing and delicious.  I almost applied for the dishwasher job just to get my foot in the door there.  150 miles is a reasonable commute right?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 07 Oct 2014, 11:47
"The place I get vegan French toast at puts butter and powdered sugar on them"

Do a lot of people order vegan food there only to de-veganify it with condiments? Is it the Irony Cafe?
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=14

More than likely almond or soy butter if it's a vegan cafe.
Almond butter sounds delicious.

Almond butter is okay, just a bit sweet compared to normal butter. But I've eaten a vegan breakfast before, the pancakes were actually pretty good. But the bacon and eggs...never again

Nut butters (hur hur) aren't really comparable to dairy butter though, right? I mean, not even close. I could imagine someone saying "butter" when they mean margarine, or even that Earth Balance garbage, but who just says "butter" when they mean peanut/almond/etc.?

No one, that's who.

I have hard opinions on things.
I think it follows the peanut butter trend. Probably they use butter as a word for a texture firmer than cream.

And not just nuts.  Say hello to my friend apple butter, completely unlike butter yet a loudly obnoxious partner in crime that elevates toast from meh to marvelous (especially when paired with, you got it, butter).

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/p960x960/10571926_10153317057411002_2274138618273430610_o.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 07 Oct 2014, 11:51
Moderator Comment Regarding a removed post:
Thanks to a certain four people (you know who you are) - my phone was buzzing with report mails.
Thanks everyone else for not engaging.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: vforvancouver on 07 Oct 2014, 12:00
I should sell petroleum jelly as a dairy free/nut free/gluten free/soy free/allergen free/vegetable free/calorie free butter!

Genius!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Oct 2014, 12:02
Except it wouldn't actually be calorie free...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Oct 2014, 12:03
Veggie burgers are not fake meat. Round is not a meat shape, it is a food shape.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 12:12
Veggie burgers are not fake meat. Round is not a meat shape, it is a food shape.

I think veggie burgers are a gray area. They approximate the experience of eating a (ham)burger, but really, why should beef have a monopoly on a patty between two pieces of bread? I have a dynamite lentil-mushroom burger I got from vegan/ultrarunner Scott Jurek, if you're interested.

I was talking more about sausages and bacon made to actually look like sausage links (not just just the tube of crumbly protein bits) and bacon strips. Or seitan "steak" strips. The kind of vegan food you find at a store like Safeway that has no clue what it's doing and, I imagine falls prey to distributors from crappy outfits like Morningstar Farms.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Oct 2014, 12:20
It really depends on whether or not they are trying to approximate the texture and taste of some meat product. I've had some awesome veggie burgers... and those who tried to be beef-like that were just nasty. But I've also had "beef" crumbles that were really good to replace meat in things like tacos or  chili. I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but I do try to keep a more sensible, healthier diet when I can. The idea of making vegan products look and taste like meat just seems to be missing the mark. You aren't going to trick people into eating your stuff if they want to eat meat. And it's of limited comfort to provide fake meat to those who would rather be eating meat but for whatever reason can't or won't. Embrace the diversity and flavors of your product, don't try to mask them as something else...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 12:26
It really depends on whether or not they are trying to approximate the texture and taste of some meat product. I've had some awesome veggie burgers... and those who tried to be beef-like that were just nasty. But I've also had "beef" crumbles that were really good to replace meat in things like tacos or  chili. I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but I do try to keep a more sensible, healthier diet when I can. The idea of making vegan products look and taste like meat just seems to be missing the mark. You aren't going to trick people into eating your stuff if they want to eat meat. And it's of limited comfort to provide fake meat to those who would rather be eating meat but for whatever reason can't or won't. Embrace the diversity and flavors of your product, don't try to mask them as something else...

Totally. And for those who are doing it for healthy eating purposes, it's not really worth the trouble; that stuff is crammed full of preservatives and artificial crap. I was a vegetarian for several years because I was in the midst of training for some high-endurance activities and was convinced I'd be better of eliminating meat. I'm now convinced that eating whole foods (note the lowercase) is way more important than arbitrarily eliminating meat if you're still going to eat processed stuff. I eat meat like three times a week now, and it's just right for me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Oct 2014, 12:33
I don't understand why veggie burgers are a grey area for you. A round patty shape is a very efficient way of cooking protein, whether that's meat-derived protein or pulse-derived protein. I make the World's Most Delicious Vegan Burgers with bulgur wheat, beans and mushrooms, and they are round to go inside bread buns (but if I don't have round bread, then I could make them rectangular to go in between slices of rectangular bread, I guess).

I absolutely agree with you about the stuff that is deliberately made to be as close as possible to looking and tasting like actual meat, but as a result is packed full of artificial rubbish. The fact is, though, that we live in societies which base their diet around meat, and often it is easier to vegetarianise/veganise a recipe by buying something that is as close as possible to the meat in the ingredient list. It takes creativity to decide what element of that meat ingredient (texture, flavour, nutritional makeup, appearance etc) you want to retain and find a real food alternative. Sometimes it's easier to grab a bag of soya mince.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 07 Oct 2014, 12:34
Q: what's more difficult to draw than hands?
A: a kiss.

It looks like neither of them are tilting their head sideways! Either their noses permeate each other, or their lips aren't touching!
(Yes, I know, it's difficult to miss these important details when you're busy squeeeeeing. I don't blame you.)

I like to imagine that claire is just new at this, and with her eyes closed, she's completely missing his face and ends up on his shoulder. But nah, that'd ruin an otherwise beautiful moment.
(Then again, I also really really like to read #2804 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2804) without the fourth panel. The look on his face in the third panel says it all: "I broke into your house and brought you pancakes!" ;))


Yeah. I like the arc. Wrt marten's character development, he has taken step after step, lesson after lesson to get where he is now. It was neither a sudden character change to get them to hook up, nor do I expect the development to stop after he got the girl. Jeph certainly has a plan, and I can only guess how much fun he had watching the community squirm over the last few strips. And squee today.

Some have said that Marten has been smoother than any human can be. Probably. And Claire was way less freaked out than she usually would. That's fine. For once, let Jeph and his characters and all the squeesquad have their one perfect fairy-tale moment. With all the things Jeph puts them through for the sake of the narrative, they deserve that.



Ah, whatever. I just may squee a little. All the cool kids are doing it. The ship's left port and it'll be an interesting voyage. Marten's all grown up and he finally knows what he wants in a woman. Claire is inexperienced, but she's a smart woman, and with all the soul-searching her transition has forced her to do, I think she's better prepared than anyone of us was for their first relationship. Everything else she will learn, and Marten's patience and understanding are just what she needs for that.
There are several indications that this relationship won't turn sexual anytime soon, which leaves more time for actual healthy interaction and bonding. It's important to get that done before the initial hormone-dominated everything-is-butterflys-phase ends[1].
As always, there are blocks along the road - her anxieties, his career - but none of them are dealbreaking, and they both seem ready to tackle them. They got together for all the right reasons, and if they do this right, it could last forever. Time (and Jeph) will tell.


[1] Without going into too much speculation, Marigold and Dale might have a problem there. If watching anime, playing WoW and having sex is all they do, that may yield a strong emotional bond, but not an intellectual one. A longterm relationship needs both, with the latter becoming more important the longer the relationship lasts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 07 Oct 2014, 12:40
Yoooo, has anyone speculated about the odd titles for the comics yet? Today's is 'Nose Grows Some' and tomorrow's is 'Hatch a Plan' or something like that. I can't work them out, anyone have any ideas about what they mean?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Oct 2014, 12:41
I was also puzzled about those. Could they be anagrams?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Pilchard123 on 07 Oct 2014, 12:43
'Nose Grows Some' is the final track on Tomorrow's Modern Boxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow's_Modern_Boxes). Dunno if it's relevant.

http://boulter.com/anagram/ Have at it
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 12:44
I think someone said it earlier but nose grows is a song title from a new album and hatching a plan makes sense. Marten was saying when stuff comes our way we will talk about it and figure it out
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 07 Oct 2014, 12:58

And not just nuts.  Say hello to my friend apple butter, completely unlike butter yet a loudly obnoxious partner in crime that elevates toast from meh to marvelous (especially when paired with, you got it, butter).

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/p960x960/10571926_10153317057411002_2274138618273430610_o.jpg)

And pumpkin butter. Two of my favorite tastes of fall (especially on French toast, with gobs of butter).

Yeah. I like the arc. Wrt marten's character development, he has taken step after step, lesson after lesson to get where he is now. It was neither a sudden character change to get them to hook up, nor do I expect the development to stop after he got the girl. Jeph certainly has a plan, and I can only guess how much fun he had watching the community squirm over the last few strips. And squee today.

This. I think a lot of the back-and-forth about whether this is out of character for Marten, or happening too soon/too quickly comes down to a disagreement between some people taking the current story arc more or less in isolation (in which case, as I said before, sure it's drastic) versus looking at Marten's development over the (very) long haul.

Re: veggie burgers: I've had only a couple that were any good, though I keep trying. I'd just as soon have a good falafel, or just marinate and grill a portobello mushroom -- portobellos taste closer to meat than anything else that hasn't come off an animal, and you don't even have to process them or do much to them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 13:16
"I don't understand why veggie burgers are a grey area for you."

It's a vestige of the days when I only ate store-bought  veggie burgers and they would make them looks as close to burgers as possible, which usually meant they looked like college dining hall burgers. They would literally take some sort of blowtorch-device to put "grill marks" on them. The whole thing just screamed fake food because of the manufacturer's desire make it seem "real." Now that I make my own, whether from lentils and mushrooms or black beans and quinoa (and nutritional yeast, ALWAYS), it's not really such a gray area.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Oct 2014, 13:22
Hmm: http://www.metrolyrics.com/nose-grows-some-lyrics-thom-yorke.html
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: FunkyTuba on 07 Oct 2014, 13:52
Re: nose grows some:
it reminded me of: http://www.oocities.org/sunsetstrip/backstage/4183/me/DrSeuss.html

Re: Marten's smoothness
he's just getting really good rolls on charisma right now... he was kinda due

Re: ClaireMom's glasses
what happened to them?

Re: Moderators doing moderation
Mods rock... nice reaction time , Loki

Re: squee
Squee II Electric Squeegaloo: Keep on Squeein'
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Smallest on 07 Oct 2014, 14:04

And not just nuts.  Say hello to my friend apple butter, completely unlike butter yet a loudly obnoxious partner in crime that elevates toast from meh to marvelous (especially when paired with, you got it, butter).
(click to show/hide)

And pumpkin butter. Two of my favorite tastes of fall (especially on French toast, with gobs of butter).


You're forgetting maple butter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Welu on 07 Oct 2014, 14:15
I'm a bit late it seems but

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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Truec on 07 Oct 2014, 14:15
I think veggie burgers are a gray area. They approximate the experience of eating a (ham)burger, but really, why should beef have a monopoly on a patty between two pieces of bread? I have a dynamite lentil-mushroom burger I got from vegan/ultrarunner Scott Jurek, if you're interested.

Because words have meaning, and people thinking they can just use a word any way they want to refer to things they are not are going to be the downfall of civilization.  Burger is short for hamburger, a hamburger is a patty of ground beef on a sandwich.

Mind you, your lentil-mushroom sandwich sounds pretty tasty, but it is not in any way a burger. 

Warning - while you were reading 12 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Seriously?  In the time it takes me to rant about words?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sapere on 07 Oct 2014, 14:19
I've been reading/lurking for forever and just had to sign up to weigh in on the events. Much good, much happy. :3
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 07 Oct 2014, 14:25

And not just nuts.  Say hello to my friend apple butter, completely unlike butter yet a loudly obnoxious partner in crime that elevates toast from meh to marvelous (especially when paired with, you got it, butter).
(click to show/hide)

And pumpkin butter. Two of my favorite tastes of fall (especially on French toast, with gobs of butter).


You're forgetting maple butter.

I've neither had, nor heard of, maple butter. I Googled it, and realize that I must rectify that. :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2014, 14:28
Steak, medium rare
2 Eggs, fried
2 Bacon
1 Pork Sausage
Coleslaw type Salad (with Tartare Sauce)
Chips (Fries, as you Visigoths from the States know them as)
2 slices Toast with Butter

Coffee - Large Flat White if you don't have the real stuff, Filter Coffee.


*Burp*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 14:33
Re: veggie burgers, a few weeks ago I had a black bean and chipotle burger at my favourite pub. I'd never had it before, but it sounded (and was) delicious. The addition of bacon made it even more so :parrot:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 14:52
But again, how many days ago in comic time was the Emily Kiss arc?  Maybe 2 weeks?  Possibly less?  Seems like a hell of a lot of growth in a short period of time, given the response was pretty much "classic Marten."

The flow of time in the QCverse often confuses me.  I must confess that I find this arc very resonant on an emotional level, and am definitely in the category of reader with a strong identification with the characters, which naturally affects how i 'read' Marten's responses - in that, he is acting in the way that I wish I might act in the same or a similar situation.

I can't agree with this more. I have been reading for over 8 years and I too strongly identify with Marten. When he and Dora broke up I felt like I was going through it myself. Because of this I have had some very mixed feelings about the current situation that I am still processing but I honestly think they make a very cute couple and I hope this works out for both of them. They deserve it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 14:53
I think veggie burgers are a gray area. They approximate the experience of eating a (ham)burger, but really, why should beef have a monopoly on a patty between two pieces of bread? I have a dynamite lentil-mushroom burger I got from vegan/ultrarunner Scott Jurek, if you're interested.

Because words have meaning, and people thinking they can just use a word any way they want to refer to things they are not are going to be the downfall of civilization.  Burger is short for hamburger, a hamburger is a patty of ground beef on a sandwich.

Mind you, your lentil-mushroom sandwich sounds pretty tasty, but it is not in any way a burger. 

Warning - while you were reading 12 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Seriously?  In the time it takes me to rant about words?

Considering there are only 4 posts between my veggie burger explanation and your post here, I'm not sure how the 12-post notification is possible.

If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix. Unless you're a hardcore prescriptivist, I don't see any way around the argument that burger, in modern common usage, denotes malleable foodstuffs molded into a patty that is then cooked.

Also, as much as I like a good semantics argument, that wasn't really the issue. The issue is the contents of vegetarian food that aspire to look like meat, not their presentation. If someone rolled ground tempeh and pinto beans seasoned with cumin and chili powder into a sausage shape, awesome. But things that are stylized to look like meat but aren't meat, more often than not, are crap. That was more the discussion we were having (I think).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: no one special on 07 Oct 2014, 15:05
I just... I just don't get it.     :psyduck:

I don't see how Marten has fallen for Claire.  I don't see how they have any sort of special connection.  I mean, he tried to go with Faye, Dora, and Hanners first, and the only reason he invited her to the wedding was because she had a car. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2377)  They didn't have any moments at the wedding, or at the reception.  Even after the reception, at the moment where they supposedly first connect (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2405) - it's just a look/drunk cuddle.  A few comics later, they talk it out, and everything goes back to normal. 

Then marten has his little curiosity about Emily, and then "oh look, he's drunk with Claire again"!  She's clearly had a thing for him, but he's neither done nor said anything that would make anyone think he likes her - he's had conversations, but nothing intimate - but oh, he's drunk with her again... and now all of a sudden he has feelings for her? 

I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 15:58
I don't see how Marten has fallen for Claire.  I don't see how they have any sort of special connection. 
...
Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?

It amazes me how many different ways there are to read this arc - we each see it slightly - or very - differently, I guess.  I don't have any trouble at all seeing this as an organic development, as Marten has been changing over the years, and there seems to be enough information in the story to justify at least the beginnings of a relationship.  Where it goes from here is anybody's guess (and even Jeph might be surprised - there are other examples of characters running out of the control of their creators). 

I think the heart you are looking for is present, but it is subtle and easy to miss.  There is great depth in the body language of both characters in the last few strips - personally, I think this is some of the best work Jeph has ever done.

I hope you don't give up on it.  I'm sure there are more suprises to come :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 15:59
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 16:06
It's funny - I'm pretty sure Jeph's had this in mind for a while, at least since early June.  Marten, though - I think he got a couple or four drinks in him, put his hands in Claire's hair and found out where his heart was all at once.  The narrative there is sparse, and Jeph's commentary seems to indicate he'd rather go with fewer words of dialogue rather than more, but I can easily put myself in Marten's place - once upon a time I discovered I was crazy about a girl while I was helping her walk a few feet over to her crutches.  Before she put her arm around my neck, I'd never thought of her as anything more than another student in my art class.

Maybe that's what it is - if you can identify with this situation, it makes you squee.  If you can't, it makes you scratch your head.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 16:06
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?

Exactly. We take hamburger to mean beef burger even though it's made from beef. Pork burgers do exist, but they must be denoted as such. That's why I qualified the discussion with "modern common usage." Regardless of etymology, ham- in this case is a prefix meaning it's a traditional burger made from the charred flesh of dead cows (as I believe Faye once put it). But burger is also open to a variety of other prefixes and modifiers.

Descriptivism, yo.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 16:07
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?

Cheeseburger Cheeseburger, no coke pepsi
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: grouchygizmo on 07 Oct 2014, 16:08
Personally, I think it was always there.
-They hang out a lot at the library. 
-When Marten goes to CoD, he takes Claire.
-She comes to visit him at a popular hangout of his.
-She has stated that she feels comfortable with him.
-He always seems to look at her. (This might just be my opinion.)
-He asks her to come and hang out with him and his friends. And to Marten, his friends are his family, so this is a big deal. But he always treated Claire a little differently then his other friends, as well. (I don't know where I am going with this, so I'm gonna stop. I'm lazy.)

And I would go through the archives and find strips for each of these... but I am really lazy and that's a lot of comics to go through.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 16:09
I think it's important to note the weirdness of the forum right now: Discussions about one of the biggest developments in almost 3,000 strips are alternating with a conversation about the socio-linguistic subtleties of the word "hamburger," a topic we only landed on because of pancakes.

Best. Fan community. Ever.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 16:11
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?

Exactly. We take hamburger to mean beef burger even though it's made from beef. Pork burgers do exist, but they must be denoted as such. That's why I qualified the discussion with "modern common usage." Regardless of etymology, ham- in this case is a prefix meaning it's a traditional burger made from the charred flesh of dead cows (as I believe Faye once put it). But burger is also open to a variety of other prefixes and modifiers.

Descriptivism, yo.
No, that's not what I was saying. Hamburger=burger is what I was saying. If you just say "burger" without a modifier, beef burger is implied just as strongly as "hamburger" without modifiers. You could call a veggie burger a veggie hamburger, but that's unwieldy so nobody does.

Aphanisis, now I wonder if anyone's had a burger wrapped in a pancake instead of a bun.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 16:13
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Aphanisis, now I wonder if anyone's had a burger wrapped in a pancake instead of a bun.

Yes.  But then, I'm from Florida, where it's not unheard of to have a bacon cheeseburger with a Krispy Kreme donut as the bun.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 07 Oct 2014, 16:13
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?

Yeah, but the english language has a lot of flexibility behind the rules of how it works. Burger can also mean cheeseburger, because life without cheese is meaningless. Another example: -gate as a suffix means a scandal, but there's not like some rule that it has to take place at some old hotel just because the original did.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 16:13
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix.
It's not a prefix, burger is just short for hamburger. (From Hamburg, Germany) Also, think of it this way, if ham was a prefix, wouldn't hamburger be a pork burger?

Exactly. We take hamburger to mean beef burger even though it's made from beef. Pork burgers do exist, but they must be denoted as such. That's why I qualified the discussion with "modern common usage." Regardless of etymology, ham- in this case is a prefix meaning it's a traditional burger made from the charred flesh of dead cows (as I believe Faye once put it). But burger is also open to a variety of other prefixes and modifiers.

Descriptivism, yo.
No, that's not what I was saying. Hamburger=burger is what I was saying. If you just say "burger" without a modifier, beef burger is implied just as strongly as "hamburger" without modifiers. You could call a veggie burger a veggie hamburger, but that's unwieldy so nobody does.

Aphanisis, now I wonder if anyone's had a burger wrapped in a pancake instead of a bun.

According to the law of Weird Food Quantum Mechanics, yes, your thinking of that burger option has caused it to exist.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 16:15
You are wrong in two points.
Yes, woman past 44 can get pregnenant. The chances are smaller but it is not even close to "cannot get" the main concern is on genetic problems like down's syndrome.

And I don't think Claire's mom look that old, she looks pretty youthful (and hot)

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/surrogate-mother-61-gives-birth-to-her-grandson/blogEntry?id=17151493&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.br%2F

I said via their own eggs.  The woman in the linked article carried her daughter's pregnancy to term. 

My wife is 43.  I don't think you can't be hot at that age, or youthful.   :psyduck:  But I think the wrinkles around Clairemom's eyes are supposed to convey a somewhat older status.  Might be a tad younger than Martin's Mom at 56, but not much.
That was a link about surrogate mother. But if you want a link about older mothers fine.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50

Anyway none of these prove anything because they are just anetoctal evidence. Probably the point you are trying to make is that a woman doesn't produce eggs after menopause and that is correct but you got it wrong at the age, menopause usually occurs between 45 and 55 and just stepping on the 45 mark doesn't makes women stop producingceggs. So considering that Claire's mom is between 42~48 years old probably she is still fertile. Claire could ask her mom to get some eggs frozen for latter use just in case.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 16:15
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Aphanisis, now I wonder if anyone's had a burger wrapped in a pancake instead of a bun.

Yes.  But then, I'm from Florida, where it's not unheard of to have a bacon cheeseburger with a Krispy Kreme donut as the bun.
The Luther?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Oct 2014, 16:15
Although, under the current usage, the correct name for the Watergate scandal would actually be Watergategate, as Watergate would be a scandal about water, not a scandal involving the Watergate complex.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Netrunner on 07 Oct 2014, 16:17
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Congrats, Sir/Madam. I registered an account just to join the conversation because of you.

Have you never had a friend that suddenly became a romantic interest? It's happened a couple of times to me. Sometimes it's cause the friendship to fall apart, (I hope that's not what's going to happen here.) and sometimes it's just been a thing that runs it's natural course and then we ended it as friends. These things happen, and in reading back to the wedding arc, that's what I see here. You have two people that are friends and are comfortable around each other. Marten getting a little tipsy and playing with Claire's hair is something I could see myself doing to a friend, and when I woke up the next morning, if I remembered there being a spark of something there from the other person, I'd evaluate my feelings.

Marten having a whole speech ready to give Claire seems like something he'd have been thinking about since he got up. Maybe on his way to the diner/Claire's house. I'd be willing to bet that by the time he was at her dinner table, he had already made up his mind about how he felt about her. I know I would have by that point. These are all really reasonable conclusions. While there's a part of me that would have liked to see these thought processes and events happen in comic, I'm honestly more glad that we just skipped the crap and cut to the good stuff.

Also: *ahem* Squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 16:18
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The Luther?

Indeed!  Damn, didn't know it'd become famous enough for the Boondocks!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 16:18
Although, under the current usage, the correct name for the Watergate scandal would actually be Watergategate, as Watergate would be a scandal about water, not a scandal involving the Watergate complex.
Ugh, I fucking hate that "-gate" became an acceptable suffix for precisely that reason.

Mooski, that episode's from a few years back. It's also how I learned about the concept of the itis (well, that name at least).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 16:23
Yeah, I'm just now realizing that I first heard about the thing in 1994, a few months after I'd moved to Florida. 

I'm further realizing that was 20 years ago.  Gonna have some emergency wine now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 07 Oct 2014, 16:25
Although, under the current usage, the correct name for the Watergate scandal would actually be Watergategate, as Watergate would be a scandal about water, not a scandal involving the Watergate complex.
Ugh, I fucking hate that "-gate" became an acceptable suffix for precisely that reason.

Mooski, that episode's from a few years back. It's also how I learned about the concept of the itis (well, that name at least).

Agreed. The more that two-bit journalists perpetuate that unfortunate linguistic contortion, the more people are going to think -gate just literally means scandal. Bluh.

Also: I just realized that I've now used the adjective "linguistic" far too many times in the past few hours. Mostly to discuss burgers. I'm either a pretentious twit or have had one too many tasty IPAs (woohoo, Tuesday niiiight!!!) for a person who's been awake since 3 AM EST, and am letting work stuff bleed into what should be leisure stuff.

But to address the comic:

Wait for it...

Squee.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 16:28
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Aphanisis, now I wonder if anyone's had a burger wrapped in a pancake instead of a bun.

I did it once wrapped in tapioca pancake. Well, I don't really think Tapioca pancake is really a pancake, wikipedia description say flat bread or grainy pancake but I think it is closer to grilled mochi.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: kwami42 on 07 Oct 2014, 16:45
Hatch the Plan is a song title from the Andy Stott album Luxury Problems, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gespenst on 07 Oct 2014, 16:50
AHH! Things are happening! Things I like! I hope they keep happening!

I can't stop shouting! I hope this resolves itself soon!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: swapna on 07 Oct 2014, 16:51
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 16:56
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

Because Claire is moe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 07 Oct 2014, 16:59
Yo! So did you hear about the fast food joint who had traces of pork in their vegan patties? Press refers to the incident as the ham veggy burger gate. :roll:

I don't see how Marten has fallen for Claire.  I don't see how they have any sort of special connection.  I mean, he tried to go with Faye, Dora, and Hanners first, and the only reason he invited her to the wedding was because she had a car. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2377)
She may have offered the ride as a thanks for the treatment at the party, or because she liked the idea of spending time with him, or maybe she was just bored. Either way, I doubt he accepted just because of the car - Claire just offered a ride, and he invited her to the wedding, and it's not hard to imagine that he really preferred her company over going alone.
The wedding strengthened their friendship. Time spent together, new experiences gained together. Besides the on-panel events, #2405 references quite a few off-panel events as well.

The cuddle (and its aftermath) may look like "everything went back to normal", but it did two things. First, it taught them that they can be honest with each other and work through issues. That alone is something he and Faye didn't have for a very long time, and even with Dora "working through issues" involved a lot of shouting and drama. Second, I think it forced both of them to consider whether there was more than friendship. Of course, neither dared act on it, but that wasn't "back to normal".

I'd consider them good friends at that time. They like each other, they respect each other, they trust each other (both having earned that trust), and they care for each other. Can you follow so far?


Why is Claire the right woman for him? I think it's for the same reason he's the right man for her: because he has experienced that, around her, he can just be himself. Faye used to beat him when he wasn't careful; Dora used to flip out when he looked the wrong way or said something stupid, he cannot even be open to Steve about certain issues without being mocked. Claire has a sharp wit (and I don't mean the puns), but - unlike everyone else in his life - she never makes fun of him.

So it starts with feeling comfortable around each other. Then you miss her, when she's not there. And slowly you start to realize that there are feelings, that you cannot ignore them, and that you want to act on them. It's a slow process (especially with Marten's usual processing speed), which is why it's difficult to point to a single comic and say: "There it began!". If you've never had it happen to you, it may be difficult to understand. But it happens.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Oct 2014, 17:08
Claire has a sharp wit (and I don't mean the puns), but - unlike everyone else in his life - she never makes fun of him.
Counterargument on that one:
Quote from: Claire
Nice one, Cicero. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2403)

Granted, it is quite rare, but it does happen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 17:18
Claire has a sharp wit (and I don't mean the puns), but - unlike everyone else in his life - she never makes fun of him.
Counterargument on that one:
Quote from: Claire
Nice one, Cicero. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2403)

Granted, it is quite rare, but it does happen.

It would be really dull if she was perfect ;-)  I'm surely reading too much into things here, but I've always seen her expression in that panel as slightly proprietorial...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 17:20
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I'm surely reading too much into things here, but I've always seen her expression in that panel as slightly proprietorial...

If you are, you're not alone.  Panel three here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2431) is the same for me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 07 Oct 2014, 17:21
Ah, c'mon, that was just a gentle josh. Laughing with, not at. It's quite Claire to me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 17:26
Panel three here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2431) is the same for me.

Hell yeah!  I'd forgotten that.  She looks kinda hungry in that one, too ;-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Oct 2014, 17:33
 Why am I checking the main page? I know what happens!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 17:35
Why am I checking the main page? I know what happens!

Potential hope there is a double upload by mistake?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zwammy on 07 Oct 2014, 17:37
Ah, c'mon, that was just a gentle josh. Laughing with, not at. It's quite Claire to me.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 17:37
Claire has a sharp wit (and I don't mean the puns), but - unlike everyone else in his life - she never makes fun of him.
Counterargument on that one:
Quote from: Claire
Nice one, Cicero. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2403)

Granted, it is quite rare, but it does happen.

I would not qualify that as "making fun". That's barely a quip to acknowledge his fumble.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 17:42
Why am I checking the main page? I know what happens!

Conditioning  :wink:  I'm doing it too...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 17:48
Honestly, I usually find out from you guys that there's a new comic :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Netrunner on 07 Oct 2014, 17:55
I keep trying to type in 2809, but it keeps not working.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: No_Dragons_Here on 07 Oct 2014, 17:57
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I registered just to say that I'm with you guys.  We are the Three Caballeros!

That said, it's pretty much exactly for the same reasons you guys said.

Although, I admit, I've seen this coming from way back when Marten found out her secret, I just haven't seen it develope in a way that seem... well... developed.  Which is probably because I feel very "meh" towards Claire in particular, but I digress.

I had no particular focus to this forum post, it seems.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: treyhawk on 07 Oct 2014, 17:58
Have just seen 2807, have not yet seen 2808.  Yea for Marten and Claire, but no squee.  I'm reserving the squee for the impossible:  Marten-Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 17:59
Even though there can be no surprises today (really?) 2808 was/is a delightful and tremendoulsy significant entry :-)  Also, seeing it before I saw 2807, I thought "damn, Jeph is really getting the hang of jumping ahead and expecting the readers to keep up".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: brew on 07 Oct 2014, 18:05

Then marten has his little curiosity about Emily, and then "oh look, he's drunk with Claire again"!  She's clearly had a thing for him, but he's neither done nor said anything that would make anyone think he likes her - he's had conversations, but nothing intimate - but oh, he's drunk with her again... and now all of a sudden he has feelings for her?

I feel similarly. Not that I don't think it could've happened eventually, but we just had this thing about Emily where he says he wouldn't want to date an intern (I know it's an excuse, but still, he said it out loud), and then immediately this happens? What was even the point of the Emily arc?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 07 Oct 2014, 18:07
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What was even the point of the Emily arc?

Story's still in progress.  Who knows?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 18:08

Then marten has his little curiosity about Emily, and then "oh look, he's drunk with Claire again"!  She's clearly had a thing for him, but he's neither done nor said anything that would make anyone think he likes her - he's had conversations, but nothing intimate - but oh, he's drunk with her again... and now all of a sudden he has feelings for her?

I feel similarly. Not that I don't think it could've happened eventually, but we just had this thing about Emily where he says he wouldn't want to date an intern (I know it's an excuse, but still, he said it out loud), and then immediately this happens? What was even the point of the Emily arc?

To crush Emily's heart. Now she will pretend to be happy about it and even be their confident while all this eats her from inside.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Oct 2014, 18:09
Have just seen 2807, have not yet seen 2808.  Yea for Marten and Claire, but no squee.  I'm reserving the squee for the impossible:  Marten-Hannelore.

"Because of you I've finally figured out what I want to do with my life, the man I want to be."

"Hannelore, would you be willing to spend the rest of your life with me, Marten Reed. Fireman."

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 18:12
To crush Emily's heart. Now she will pretend to be happy about it and even be their confident while all this eats her from inside.

Are we reading the same comic?  That would be cruel, and not in keeping with the 'theme' of the QCverse, which seems to revolve around kindness and acceptance.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: No_Dragons_Here on 07 Oct 2014, 18:14

"Because of you I've finally figured out what I want to do with my life, the man I want to be."

"Hannelore, would you be willing to spend the rest of your life with me, Marten Reed. Fireman."

(click to show/hide)

With Marten Reed on the job, no burning building will ever be safe!

...

...

...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 18:20
Welp 2808 is up and no mistake 2809 good night folks
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 18:21
To crush Emily's heart. Now she will pretend to be happy about it and even be their confident while all this eats her from inside.

Are we reading the same comic?  That would be cruel, and not in keeping with the 'theme' of the QCverse, which seems to revolve around kindness and acceptance.

Doesn't means that conflicts doesn't happen
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1799

Also Emily would still be kind and accepting. She would support them because she is friend of them both and want them to be happy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 18:25
Also Emily would still be kind and accepting. She would support them because she is friend of them both and want them to be happy.

That's true, of course (about conflict, I mean).  I was just reacting to the idea of 'crushing' one of the characters, which seemed, well, out of character for the strip as a whole, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 18:28
Also Emily would still be kind and accepting. She would support them because she is friend of them both and want them to be happy.

That's true, of course (about conflict, I mean).  I was just reacting to the idea of 'crushing' one of the characters, which seemed, well, out of character for the strip as a whole, I guess.

I'm not talking about crushing her physically. But people crushed emotionally is part of the comic.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: vforvancouver on 07 Oct 2014, 18:30
Damn, there wasn't a new Questionablecontentgate comic today... Well, there was, but it was not new since yesterday... :psyduck:

What the hell, I'll just keep squeeeeeeeeeeeeeing and reading the forums.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Penquin47 on 07 Oct 2014, 18:33
Also Emily would still be kind and accepting. She would support them because she is friend of them both and want them to be happy.

That's true, of course (about conflict, I mean).  I was just reacting to the idea of 'crushing' one of the characters, which seemed, well, out of character for the strip as a whole, I guess.

I'm not talking about crushing her physically. But people crushed emotionally is part of the comic.

While emotional pain is part of the comic, it feels wrong for Jeph to write a story where the point is to crush a character.  "The Talk" didn't happen because Jeph wanted to inflict pain on Marten, the Dora/Marten breakup either, Sven cheating on Faye wasn't about hurting Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 18:35
I'm not talking about crushing her physically. But people crushed emotionally is part of the comic.

Yes, I know what you mean - I just can't see that happening to someone as defenceless as Emily (seemingly, and perhaps she only seems so to me - mostly basing this on her reaction to 'give peas a chance').
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mikmaxs on 07 Oct 2014, 18:36
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I registered just to say that I'm with you guys.  We are the Three Caballeros!

That said, it's pretty much exactly for the same reasons you guys said.

Although, I admit, I've seen this coming from way back when Marten found out her secret, I just haven't seen it develope in a way that seem... well... developed.  Which is probably because I feel very "meh" towards Claire in particular, but I digress.

I had no particular focus to this forum post, it seems.

I feel similarly. While I do ship the two of them, it doesn't feel right that they're actually *together*. (At least, not at this point.) I've slowly been waning on QC in general (Which sucks, because it's my No3 Webcomic behind XKCD and Dumbing Of Age) mainly because I feel like there hasn't been any natural drama or conflict in the past few hundred comics. It's like I'm watching season 6 of House: We've got about triple the cast, all of the original arcs have been finished for years, and the characters are so developed that they're barely even the same people anymore. All the new conflict feels kind of forced-in because it either has to come as a surprise within the cast (IE Angus wants to live somewhere else and work on a talk show, something we didn't find out until he'd been around for over a thousand comics,) or else as a random external force that didn't exist until recently.

I really don't know what could be done about this, it's just a problem that exists with works that last this long. The best fix I've seen is to slowly add new characters with their own problems, but that only works for so long before you've got a replacement set of main characters, who are stepping in for your FIRST set of replacement main characters. Heck, we've got three characters permanently written out of QC at this point, and that's not mentioned the copious characters who barely ever show up anymore. (Raven, Steve, Cosette, Wil, Penelope... Even the smaller Anthro-PCs, Pintsize and Winslow, haven't really made noteworthy appearances as of late.)

It just doesn't feel like I'm reading the same comic anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 18:37
"The Talk" didn't happen because Jeph wanted to inflict pain on Marten
I thought the entire comic was to inflict pain on Marten ::)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 18:37
While emotional pain is part of the comic, it feels wrong for Jeph to write a story where the point is to crush a character.  "The Talk" didn't happen because Jeph wanted to inflict pain on Marten, the Dora/Marten breakup either, Sven cheating on Faye wasn't about hurting Faye.

Yes, thank you, this is what I was thinking but couldn't express properly :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 07 Oct 2014, 18:51
Usually I read the whole thread before commenting, but tl,dr. And is there such a thing as a squee filter?

Next comic: Angus is offered a minor part on a trial basis. Further uncertainty ensues...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Oct 2014, 18:54
I'm not in the habit of reviewing the relationships of fictional character, but I can't shake the feeling that this romance is more... real, somehow, than Marten's previous things. And above all, it feels like a relationship in which all Marten's strengths - his kindness, tolerance and general laid-backness - might shine more brightly than before.
+1 Insightful. You expressed my thoughts better than even I could.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TheCollector on 07 Oct 2014, 19:10
It's funny - I'm pretty sure Jeph's had this in mind for a while, at least since early June.  Marten, though - I think he got a couple or four drinks in him, put his hands in Claire's hair and found out where his heart was all at once.  The narrative there is sparse, and Jeph's commentary seems to indicate he'd rather go with fewer words of dialogue rather than more, but I can easily put myself in Marten's place - once upon a time I discovered I was crazy about a girl while I was helping her walk a few feet over to her crutches.  Before she put her arm around my neck, I'd never thought of her as anything more than another student in my art class.

Maybe that's what it is - if you can identify with this situation, it makes you squee.  If you can't, it makes you scratch your head.

I have to back this up completely. I mean, I have no experiance with it in real life, but I can't name the number of times when a character in something I never looked twice at did one simple thing that made me fall in love with them out of the blue, some of whom I hated before hand.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Mojo on 07 Oct 2014, 19:11
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I registered just to say that I'm with you guys.  We are the Three Caballeros!

That said, it's pretty much exactly for the same reasons you guys said.

Although, I admit, I've seen this coming from way back when Marten found out her secret, I just haven't seen it develope in a way that seem... well... developed.  Which is probably because I feel very "meh" towards Claire in particular, but I digress.

I had no particular focus to this forum post, it seems.

I'm kind of in this group too.  There's just something doesn't "feel" right about it, but I can't identify what.  I know there has been a little buildup, so it's not that.  Perhaps it's that Marten seems rather out of character.  He's usually a little neurotic, a little uncertain.  This is a totally different Marten, just diving in and showing no sign of uncertainty or confusion.

Character growth?  Perhaps, it just seems rather sudden.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 19:15
I'm not talking about crushing her physically. But people crushed emotionally is part of the comic.

Yes, I know what you mean - I just can't see that happening to someone as defenceless as Emily (seemingly, and perhaps she only seems so to me - mostly basing this on her reaction to 'give peas a chance').

Did Marten ever did something to deserve all the crap he got? There doesn't need to be a reason to why things don't work out for some people. She liked someone but this someone ends up with her friend.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 07 Oct 2014, 19:21
Nope, no matter how many times I look at it Claire's faces are just so adorable.  That is what pure, unadulterated happiness looks like.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 07 Oct 2014, 19:24
It's funny - I'm pretty sure Jeph's had this in mind for a while, at least since early June.  Marten, though - I think he got a couple or four drinks in him, put his hands in Claire's hair and found out where his heart was all at once.  The narrative there is sparse, and Jeph's commentary seems to indicate he'd rather go with fewer words of dialogue rather than more, but I can easily put myself in Marten's place - once upon a time I discovered I was crazy about a girl while I was helping her walk a few feet over to her crutches.  Before she put her arm around my neck, I'd never thought of her as anything more than another student in my art class.

Maybe that's what it is - if you can identify with this situation, it makes you squee.  If you can't, it makes you scratch your head.

Definitely part of it. There are things I'm seeing lately in-comic that remind me of things that have happened in my own life. Sometimes it's not a concrete chain of events to get you from friends or strangers to lovers. Sometimes there's nothing that's rational about it, and trying to rationalize it kinda misses the point of it. Sure, it'd make a lousy detective story, but when it happens... damn.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 07 Oct 2014, 19:24
Going to be blunt...I'm just revolted in this way of thinking. Marten was not "looking for a hole to fill". That's not what happened here, and this an inhumane interpretation. It's not about being "completed" or about "decisiveness"

Life throws you things, whether you're ready or not. For the past few years in the comic, Marten has been learning to deal with those curveballs, and more and more, he's been the one his friends have been coming to when they've got something going on. If you haven't noticed that change, that's unfortunate, because it's one of the best things of the comic these days. Claire's reveal of her feelings for Marten was the latest thing, probably the most important thing, and he reacted in a way that's far more grownup and mature than any of the other characters have shown so far in similar situations.

Yeah, Marten still hasn't figured out what to do with his life. Got news for you....the vast majority of people never do. How many people actually use their college degree? How many people actually manage to achieve whatever life plan they concoct when they're in their mid-20s? Most drift from job to job finding something we enjoy doing that pays the bills and buys a little freedom. It's what we actually do in the time we have and with the people we're given that makes our life and leaves our memory. You paint Marten as a near-worthless, listless man, yet you never consider the value of his life to Faye, Nora, Tai, and Hanners. The man is better than you're painting, and so is his life.

I honestly don't think I've seen the same level of development in Marten as much of the cast.  I mean as I said, Faye kept true to herself but dealt with her trust issues and fucked-uppedness quite well.  Hell, up until Jeph decided to make him into a dick again, I loved where Sven was going in terms of development - his redemption arc seemed like a real thing, and his (platonic) date with Hanners was so cute. 

What's helped Marten over time to become the person who people go to with problems is that he developed friends he had no romantic interest in (besides Steve).  In the early comics there was really no one for him to talk to but Faye and Dora.  Then he got Hanners, and then Tai.  Tai especially was important, because she was for a long time (like Steve) the only one who was mainly a friend of Marten, and not a friend of "the gang" with Marten as a part of it. 

I've been assuming that Claire's mom is roughly twice Claire's age, which would make her 48, more or less. And incidentally the same age as my wife.

I dunno, 24 seems young to have kids these days.  Hell, it even seems a little young for someone college educated (which I'm guessing Claire's mom is) to have kids at in 1990. 

[1] Without going into too much speculation, Marigold and Dale might have a problem there. If watching anime, playing WoW and having sex is all they do, that may yield a strong emotional bond, but not an intellectual one. A longterm relationship needs both, with the latter becoming more important the longer the relationship lasts.

Honestly, I think Marigold is an awful character with no redeeming qualities.  She's self-absorbed, not funny, and oddly stupid for someone who knows a lot about computers.  Dale is way too good for her. 

I forsee the relationship drama to happen with Faye and Angus though.  I'll bet Angus gets the job in NYC.  Faye says it's okay for him to go.  But then one of two things happen.

1.  She preemptively breaks up with him
2.  She gets lonely and somehow ends up screwing Sven when drunk.  Which really makes her hate herself. 

Have you never had a friend that suddenly became a romantic interest? It's happened a couple of times to me. Sometimes it's cause the friendship to fall apart, (I hope that's not what's going to happen here.) and sometimes it's just been a thing that runs it's natural course and then we ended it as friends. These things happen, and in reading back to the wedding arc, that's what I see here. You have two people that are friends and are comfortable around each other. Marten getting a little tipsy and playing with Claire's hair is something I could see myself doing to a friend, and when I woke up the next morning, if I remembered there being a spark of something there from the other person, I'd evaluate my feelings.

Back when I was in high school and college, I had plenty of friendships which over a period of weeks to months, turned into infatuations.  Arguably I was in love with some of them.  Tha said, none of them ever loved me back, and in each case I pissed away most of a year pining away for them only to get shot down.  By the time I was 23, and still a virgin, I decided to try dating instead of hoping my female friends would love me back.  Lost the V quick, and in a few more years of casual dating/fucking around/short term relationships I finally found someone to marry.  Someone who I loved with all my heart based upon the trust and respect that grew between us, but for whom I never felt that butterflies in stomach crap. 

So yeah, nothing about this sort of scenario makes me squee.  There's nothing about it I could relate to.  Not like the Martin/Faye dynamic back in the day, which really spoke to me, because that's pretty much what my experience with women was like a few years before the comic started. 

Maybe romance is't for suckers, but I certainly saw no reason to believe in it in life personally.  Real love is a lot of hard work. 

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I honestly wonder if Claire would have gotten the same reaction as a cis character.  I mean, her personality is basically Penelope with some neuroses added, and I don't remember Penelope being very popular ever. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Oct 2014, 19:28
How many people actually manage to achieve whatever life plan they concoct when they're in their mid-20s?

At age 10, in 1968, there were a number of goals I set for myself.

OK, that's probably unusual. But along the way, I've done so much more as well.

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You paint Marten as a near-worthless, listless man, yet you never consider the value of his life to Faye, Nora, Tai, and Hanners. The man is better than you're painting, and so is his life.
While I don't think he was portrayed that badly, you have it right. He's one of the good guys.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Carl-E on 07 Oct 2014, 19:30
There was this girl when I was in college, about 2 years younger than me.  She was still in high school when we first met.  We were both involved with the SCA, an historical re-enactment group focused on the middle ages.  We both played music, singing together (we know several of he same esoteric pieces), and generally had a good time in each other's company.  She had a boyfriend with whom she was serious, and I was engaged. 

A few years went by - the engagement ended, and I had and had broken up with another girlfriend.  Her boyfriend went away after graduation, and she'd been seeing a couple of other guys casually.  We talked all the time, about each other's love life, our friends, everything - we were good friends. 

One evening I got a call.  It was her 19th birthday, and her parents had stopped by basically to disown her, since she was not going to school and "doing something" with her life.  She was asked not to come home to see any of her younger siblings (her stepmom was a real dick).  Her roommate had just left town, she was short on the rent and didn't even have a TV anymore to distract her from her troubles.  I brought her my old B&W TV, which I never watched anyway.  I visited daily to make sure she was alright.  A few days later, I brought over some laundry - she had a washer/dryer, and I really didn't want to go to the laundromat. 

She made me spaghetti. 

My laundry basket never made it back to my house.  It just... felt right.  It was sudden, and surprising to both of us.  I let my lease go, and moved in. 

Two years later, we were married.  That was in 1986.  We've had issues, and ups and downs.  But we're still best friends. 

It happens.  Just like this.  One minute, you're sitting beside each other on a couch watching TV, waiting for the dryer, and the next you're in each other's arms, and never going back. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Netrunner on 07 Oct 2014, 19:33
Back when I was in high school and college, I had plenty of friendships which over a period of weeks to months, turned into infatuations.  Arguably I was in love with some of them.  Tha said, none of them ever loved me back, and in each case I pissed away most of a year pining away for them only to get shot down.  By the time I was 23, and still a virgin, I decided to try dating instead of hoping my female friends would love me back.  Lost the V quick, and in a few more years of casual dating/fucking around/short term relationships I finally found someone to marry.  Someone who I loved with all my heart based upon the trust and respect that grew between us, but for whom I never felt that butterflies in stomach crap. 

So yeah, nothing about this sort of scenario makes me squee.  There's nothing about it I could relate to.  Not like the Martin/Faye dynamic back in the day, which really spoke to me, because that's pretty much what my experience with women was like a few years before the comic started. 

Maybe romance is't for suckers, but I certainly saw no reason to believe in it in life personally.  Real love is a lot of hard work. 

True love is hard work, but falling in love is super easy. Any little thing with any person can trigger it. Maybe that's what we've just witnessed. I'm a hopeless romantic and it's one of the things that made my wife fall for me in the first place.  Give Claireten a chance. They've got the easy part done, now comes the hard part of making it work.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: AliceGroove on 07 Oct 2014, 19:35
While I'd agree that Marten vacillating on the subject of Claire would be more consistent with the character as he's been written... in recent months we've seen him grow quite a bit (specifically realizing that the one-night stand version of life wasn't what he was looking for) and he's exactly the type of person who wouldn't freak out over something like the object of his affection being trans. With his... ahem... "non-traditional" familial background, closeness with his bi ex (and her GF) and the ease with which he accepted Claire back in 2323, this seems (to this observer) as something he'd have less difficulty with than the 'average' schmoe. I always expect Marten to freak over minutiae... but he seems to come through when things get real. 

I genuinely feel for folks who see this as 'abrupt' or 'fanserviced'. Not in a condescending way, mind you, but honestly. I've only been a devoted reader of QC since around the introduction of Marigold. I can't speak to the waves of characters you've lost or seen pushed to the sidelines to make way for the current arcs... especially if you felt heavily invested in those. But such is the way of SOL webcomics. I've been an avid GWS reader forever... and the sidelineing of several of my favorite characters there has me grumpy.

I disagree (despite my propensity for Squee-ing) for the following reasons:

1.) Claire's been around for 600+ strips... about 20% of the total run of the strip....
2.) Claire's non-cis gender identity has been known (to the audience) for almost 500 strips (about 17%)
3.) Claire and Marten have shown chemistry on and off (IMO) since the Wedding Arc (400ish strips... about 14%)
... all told that (from my vantage) speaks against any 'sudden' arguments.

4.) While there's a large portion of the fanbase that's been heavily lobbying for this pairing - its not as though Jeph gives in with any frequency. The sheer volume of Hannelore-related shipping he's fought against should lend credence to his unwillingness to give in to popular demand.

All that said... while the Claire/Marten ship is sailing... but that doesn't mean smooth seas lie ahead. Marten's words the past two strips have been golden... (A+, in fact) but that doesn't mean a cisgendered man with no experience dating a transwoman is going to be a sheet cake made of victory and talking owls [line stolen... I'm not that witty]. And while we have our romcom dashing moment, our profession of love (or 'like' as it were)... the honeymoon stage will end... probably rapidly. Claire is far from perfect... she's jealous, jumps to conclusions faster than you can lay down the mat... and her inexperience with relationships should be a wonderful well from which to draw from. And even if Marten's recent turn indicates real growth... that's great (Yay character development!)... but I wouldn't put a re-lapse into 'Normal Marten Behavior' past him.

In any case I'm looking forward to see how it turns out. The groundwork has been laid, but the future could be very un-Clair.  :claireface: [Turrible]


Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Oct 2014, 19:36
I think the heart you are looking for is present, but it is subtle and easy to miss.  There is great depth in the body language of both characters in the last few strips - personally, I think this is some of the best work Jeph has ever done
Some is so unsubtle, I can't believe others haven't commented on it. Just look at pupil size for goodness' sake.
Or maybe it takes someone who is/was mildly Aspergic so once had to consciously look for such cues rather than instinctively process them to notice.

Jeph is good. I thought he was laying it on a bit thick, but obviously not if so few people see it and appreciate it. He's good. Really good.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Estron on 07 Oct 2014, 19:47
I was one of the early ones last night who saw both 2807 and 2808 last night.  And yet, I automatically start thinking about QC asround this time every evening and -- oh, yeah -- been there, seen that, saved the image.    :-(
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 07 Oct 2014, 19:49

I honestly wonder if Claire would have gotten the same reaction as a cis character.  I mean, her personality is basically Penelope with some neuroses added, and I don't remember Penelope being very popular ever.

She's snappier than Penelope. Claire's humor is more upbeat puns and prank-snark where Penelope is more dead-pan snark and curmudgeon grumble.
Claire's more expressive.

Also she has red-hair. Red hair.

Red hair is a deal maker.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 07 Oct 2014, 19:53
One thing more on the Claire and Marten relationship development is that she, more than the other interns has more of a friendship with Faye.
In fact, I think Faye figured that marten had a thing for Claire after the wedding arc and then invited Claire for hang-outs sans Marten establishing her deeper into Marten's inner circle.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Oct 2014, 19:54
I brought her my old B&W TV, which I never watched anyway.  I visited daily to make sure she was alright.  A few days later, I brought over some laundry - she had a washer/dryer, and I really didn't want to go to the laundromat. 

She made me spaghetti. 

My laundry basket never made it back to my house.  It just... felt right.  It was sudden, and surprising to both of us.  I let my lease go, and moved in. 

Two years later, we were married.  That was in 1986.  We've had issues, and ups and downs.  But we're still best friends.
Squee!
Pancakes...spaghetti... same diff.

(My AoA is from AS XVII BTW...)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 19:55

I honestly wonder if Claire would have gotten the same reaction as a cis character.  I mean, her personality is basically Penelope with some neuroses added, and I don't remember Penelope being very popular ever.

She's snappier than Penelope. Claire's humor is more upbeat puns and prank-snark where Penelope is more dead-pan snark and curmudgeon grumble.
Claire's more expressive.

Also she has red-hair. Red hair.

Red hair is a deal maker.

Also Claire body is small and fragile, her body language often makes her seem fragile and vulnerable and her neuroses contribute to that. Recipe for moe.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: fire n ice on 07 Oct 2014, 19:57
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I registered just to say that I'm with you guys.  We are the Three Caballeros!

That said, it's pretty much exactly for the same reasons you guys said.

Although, I admit, I've seen this coming from way back when Marten found out her secret, I just haven't seen it develope in a way that seem... well... developed.  Which is probably because I feel very "meh" towards Claire in particular, but I digress.

I had no particular focus to this forum post, it seems.

I'm kind of in this group too.  There's just something doesn't "feel" right about it, but I can't identify what.  I know there has been a little buildup, so it's not that.  Perhaps it's that Marten seems rather out of character.  He's usually a little neurotic, a little uncertain.  This is a totally different Marten, just diving in and showing no sign of uncertainty or confusion.

Character growth?  Perhaps, it just seems rather sudden.

While I do agree on the somewhat suddenness of Marten's character development (not that I'm complaining), my wife and I had very similar beginnings to our relationship (down to her also being a redhead), so let me try to give you a different perspective.

We had been close friends for about 5 years, never really showed any romantic interest in each other (although there was attraction).  Then one day, it just kinda happened.  Couldn't tell you exactly what day it was (neither one of us can pin down the date we were officially dating), we were just all of a sudden spending most of our free time together.  Next thing you know, there's a ring on her finger, then a wedding, then a daughter.  Neither one of us planned this or asked each other out.  We both just decided on our own to just go with it and see what happened.

The point I'm trying to make is, love comes in different forms, and the feelings can be hard to detect (at least at first).  You just know you have this subtle urge to be around this person and learn everything you can about them.  As for us, we're not really romantic people.  But we DO both get to spend every day with our best friend for the rest of our lives, and we're both perfectly content with that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 07 Oct 2014, 20:11

Also Claire body is small and fragile, her body language often makes her seem fragile and vulnerable and her neuroses contribute to that. Recipe for moe.

I don't see her as very neurotic save for her anxiety attack triggered by possible humiliation.
I guess it's that she's aware and her anxiety is controlled.
In this way she's probably less neurotic than Faye, Marigold or Dora...(I don't include Hanners because for the severity of Hanner's mental health issues, she's very high functioning).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 07 Oct 2014, 20:17
True love is hard work, but falling in love is super easy. Any little thing with any person can trigger it. Maybe that's what we've just witnessed. I'm a hopeless romantic and it's one of the things that made my wife fall for me in the first place.  Give Claireten a chance. They've got the easy part done, now comes the hard part of making it work.

I guess I disagree with you pretty strongly.  I didn't love any of my girlfriends, although I liked them just fine.  Hell, I didn't fall head over heels for my wife, I just slowly realized over a year plus of being together that there was no word to describe what I felt but love. 

That obsessive, butterflies in the stomach feeling you get about someone though?  That never led me to any good places, not even once.  As I said, when I was young, I would fall in love with female friends, then get the nice guy talk.  Or fall in love with women from online.  So I made it a rule not to consider my friends as romantic options, and to stop talking to girls who lived across the country online.  Even then, these feelings led me astray.  Every time I had that feeling, I had a hard time playing it cool after a successful few dates, and they'd stop talking to me.  In contrast, the girls I wasn't into so much to begin with I could play cool with, and actually date for a longer period. 

Actually it's funny, because right when I met my wife, there was another woman who I had been interested in, in the strong butterfly way, but I was convinced she didn't like me as more than a friend.  I ended up dating my wife instead, and a few months later, was hanging out with the girl, and realized she was actually crazy in love with me too.  That said, I knew that there was no reason to ever trust this feeling, that my relationship was going well, I cared about commitments, and I wasn't going to throw it all away for silly butterflies.

My understanding is that feeling, even when reciprocal, doesn't last more than a year or two.  So I'm not sure I missed anything important. 

Also Claire body is small and fragile, her body language often makes her seem fragile and vulnerable and her neuroses contribute to that. Recipe for moe.

Uhh...what is moe?  Is it some forum term? 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 20:19
I never saw Hanners as a romantic possibility for anyone myself. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see her get to a point where she could have a healthy relationship but I just don't see that happening. Hell, most of the time I don't even see her as "Female" but more as a class of her own. She is Hanners.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mustang6172 on 07 Oct 2014, 20:24
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Ustrello on 07 Oct 2014, 20:29
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?

What you did there, I see it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 20:29

Also Claire body is small and fragile, her body language often makes her seem fragile and vulnerable and her neuroses contribute to that. Recipe for moe.

I don't see her as very neurotic save for her anxiety attack triggered by possible humiliation.
I guess it's that she's aware and her anxiety is controlled.
In this way she's probably less neurotic than Faye, Marigold or Dora...(I don't include Hanners because for the severity of Hanner's mental health issues, she's very high functioning).

Yes, there are other neurotic characters but for example, Dora's neurosis don't make you feel like holding her and protecting her. You just want her to stop asking you where everything is and shoo away Swiper.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: vforvancouver on 07 Oct 2014, 20:29
One thing more on the Claire and Marten relationship development is that she, more than the other interns has more of a friendship with Faye.
In fact, I think Faye figured that marten had a thing for Claire after the wedding arc and then invited Claire for hang-outs sans Marten establishing her deeper into Marten's inner circle.

The way I read it is that Faye figured that Claire had a thing for Marten. She mentioned that she followed Marten as a baby duck, after all. Then Faye, being the good friend she is, observed that Marten and Claire seemed to be a good pair, and would make a nice couple. She encouraged that behaviour, not just at the bar, teasing Claire; she retired to "sleep" when Marten started to touch Claire's hair, after all.

Faye, more than any other character (except a certain redhead, I'm sure), wants Marten to be happy after everything that had happened to him. She saw a chance, and boom, here we are, at page 14 or 15, discussing relationships, pancakes, burgers, linguistics, and redheads.

Jeph Jacques, you magnificent bastard, see what you have achieved and rejoice in all your glory.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 20:30
Oh, and while I did not Squee at this I did get a warm and fuzzy feeling in the cockles of my heart, maybe below the cockles
Maybe in the sub-cockle area, maybe in the liver
Maybe in the kidneys, maybe even in the colon, I don't know.

But seriously kids, Love, just like Shit, happens. Sometimes there is no explanation and sometimes it does not need one. The smile on Claire's face is reason enough.


Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 20:31
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?

Wonderful question!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Netrunner on 07 Oct 2014, 20:33
I guess I disagree with you pretty strongly.  I didn't love any of my girlfriends, although I liked them just fine.  Hell, I didn't fall head over heels for my wife, I just slowly realized over a year plus of being together that there was no word to describe what I felt but love. 

That obsessive, butterflies in the stomach feeling you get about someone though?  That never led me to any good places, not even once.  As I said, when I was young, I would fall in love with female friends, then get the nice guy talk.  Or fall in love with women from online.  So I made it a rule not to consider my friends as romantic options, and to stop talking to girls who lived across the country online.  Even then, these feelings led me astray.  Every time I had that feeling, I had a hard time playing it cool after a successful few dates, and they'd stop talking to me.  In contrast, the girls I wasn't into so much to begin with I could play cool with, and actually date for a longer period. 

Actually it's funny, because right when I met my wife, there was another woman who I had been interested in, in the strong butterfly way, but I was convinced she didn't like me as more than a friend.  I ended up dating my wife instead, and a few months later, was hanging out with the girl, and realized she was actually crazy in love with me too.  That said, I knew that there was no reason to ever trust this feeling, that my relationship was going well, I cared about commitments, and I wasn't going to throw it all away for silly butterflies.

My understanding is that feeling, even when reciprocal, doesn't last more than a year or two.  So I'm not sure I missed anything important. 

Wow, man. That's actually really depressing. I can't understand NOT having that butterfly feeling. I've been married for 6 years and sometimes my wife does something super adorable and I get those feelings all over again. I'm not trying to knock on your relationship, so please don't be mad. What works for you, works for you. I could never have a romantic relationship where those feelings didn't exist. That's me, though. I think though, there are a lot of people out there that believe in a romantic love. And sometimes, romantic love just happens. I'm sorry it never happened for you, or that if it did, it never worked out. I really am. Just don't down on people that like, live or hope for a romantic love like that, not only for themselves, but for the fictional characters they've come to associate with.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: reicreature on 07 Oct 2014, 20:39

Also Claire body is small and fragile, her body language often makes her seem fragile and vulnerable and her neuroses contribute to that. Recipe for moe.

I don't see her as very neurotic save for her anxiety attack triggered by possible humiliation.
I guess it's that she's aware and her anxiety is controlled.
In this way she's probably less neurotic than Faye, Marigold or Dora...(I don't include Hanners because for the severity of Hanner's mental health issues, she's very high functioning).

Yes, there are other neurotic characters but for example, Dora's neurosis don't make you feel like holding her and protecting her. You just want her to stop asking you where everything is and shoo away Swiper.

I'm not sure how I feel about neurosis -fetishists.  :psyduck:

oh no! does my husband only love because my red hair and anxiety issues are cute?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Oct 2014, 20:39
I honestly wonder if Claire would have gotten the same reaction as a cis character.  I mean, her personality is basically Penelope with some neuroses added, and I don't remember Penelope being very popular ever.

While I'm sure there's people who like Claire because she's trans, because maybe that's a something they relate to or something they're attracted to or they're just into social justice or whatever.

But cis Claire wouldn't be the same character. You can have someone act just like her, but the motivations wouldn't be the same. I'd made a post a thread or two back of how I thought being trans related to Claire's character and said it made her a late bloomer. Why's cis Claire so much more excited than normal to buy a pretty dress for a wedding? Why hasn't she kissed anyone at 24 and why is she so reserved in general? Most likely reason would be she's Marigold, but we already have Marigold.

And *I* for one, miss Penelope
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: K1dmor on 07 Oct 2014, 20:42
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?

Wonderful question!
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2014, 20:45
Aside from their love of books, in what way are Penelope and Claire similar at all?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 20:48
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?

Wonderful question!
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I Lol'ed. Never even heard that song. I guess I need to go find it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Cagier Love on 07 Oct 2014, 20:50
In fact, I think Faye figured that marten had a thing for Claire after the wedding arc and then invited Claire for hang-outs sans Marten establishing her deeper into Marten's inner circle.

2411 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2411): Even for Marten, he is acting overly neurotic, which Faye picks up on.

2415 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2415): One of the most ironic strips, while claiming to loathe witholding information, Marten witholds information germane to his specific anxiety.

2445 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2415): Faye convinces Claire to hang around for hours, both confirming Claire's high interest in Marten and giving Faye an extended look at Claire. Faye is so keen on the opportunity, she attempts to leave work.

2651 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2651): Marten's relationship status weighs heavily on Faye's mind...

2769 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2769): ...yet Faye is quick to dismiss a potential romantic opportunity for Marten, despite the silliness of the "ethical conflict" of dating a non-employee whose service time will be measured in weeks.

2795 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2795): Faye hasn't figured out what the skeleton in the closet is but has accepted Claire anyway and tries to move things along.

Personally, I think Marten was intending to more forward in some incremental fashion after the wedding but put the brakes on when Claire melted down (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2432).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 07 Oct 2014, 20:56
Aside from their love of books, in what way are Penelope and Claire similar at all?

I've seen occasional remarks that hinted that Claire was a "token" character. I'd submit that Penelope is the "token." In a story where everybody's got some kind of issues, she (and probably Gabby, who we also don't see anymore) is the token. She's normal. She's vanilla. And amid all the variety of the rest of the cast... well, she's downright dull. Likable enough, and handy at those times when you need a semi-serious foil to the rest of the gang, but so very ordinary.

In real life, that's not a bad thing. When you're telling a story, though, (and I think this is true in life, too) it's a person's lumps and imperfections that make them and their circumstances interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 07 Oct 2014, 20:57
Claire is pretty much the opposite of Penelope in every way.
Penelope is bitter, dogmatic and judgmental. Claire, with one exception I can think of ... isn't.
Penelope wants her aspirations handed to her. That they're not is the world's fault. Claire works to make her personal reality conform to her picture of who she is ... bringing everything from her job to her body into line with that picture.
I used to think Hannelore was the strongest person in the strip, bar none. But Claire's right up there.

EDITED for more accurate expression of my evolving understanding of trans.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 07 Oct 2014, 21:05

I'd submit that Penelope is the "token." In a story where everybody's got some kind of issues, she (and probably Gabby, who we also don't see anymore) is the token. She's normal. She's vanilla. And amid all the variety of the rest of the cast... well, she's downright dull. Likable enough, and handy at those times when you need a semi-serious foil to the rest of the gang, but so very ordinary.

In real life, that's not a bad thing. When you're telling a story, though, (and I think this is true in life, too) it's a person's lumps and imperfections that make them and their circumstances interesting.

I would not call her a token but more of a side character. She is a tool to help fill out the story. You are right that she is not very interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 07 Oct 2014, 21:06
Uhh...what is moe?  Is it some forum term?
More anime fan-speak.  Moe (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe) (tvtropes link).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 07 Oct 2014, 21:12
Wow, man. That's actually really depressing. I can't understand NOT having that butterfly feeling. I've been married for 6 years and sometimes my wife does something super adorable and I get those feelings all over again. I'm not trying to knock on your relationship, so please don't be mad. What works for you, works for you. I could never have a romantic relationship where those feelings didn't exist. That's me, though. I think though, there are a lot of people out there that believe in a romantic love. And sometimes, romantic love just happens. I'm sorry it never happened for you, or that if it did, it never worked out. I really am. Just don't down on people that like, live or hope for a romantic love like that, not only for themselves, but for the fictional characters they've come to associate with.

Eh.  My mother told me that before she met my dad, she was madly in love with someone, and she broke up with them because she didn't like how out of control she felt.  She only dated my dad initially because he was a dorky guy she knew who begged her for a year, and she felt bad for him.  Her plan was to only see him for a short period of time so his self esteem was built up more.  But somehow, they ended up getting married. 

Bottom line I guess is true romantic love would mean I wouldn't exist.  And perhaps I come from a line of people who ultimately choose their life partners through the head rather than the heart. 

Seriously though, I'm not bitter.  I love my wife and don't ever regret our marriage.  But sappy romance stories alternatively annoy or depress me, they don't make me squee. 

More anime fan-speak.  Moe (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Moe) (tvtropes link).

Ahh.  I've tried to avoid knowing as much about anime as possible in my life. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2014, 21:13
Oh, I thought ya ment dis guy.


(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130623172942/simpsons/images/thumb/d/d9/Imagemoe2.jpg/149px-Imagemoe2.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 07 Oct 2014, 21:14
Ahh.  I've tried to avoid knowing as much about anime as possible in my life.
Probably a wise choice.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 21:15
What is Claire's favorite Toto song?

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 07 Oct 2014, 21:19
Am I the only one who picked up on Claire having feelings for Marten here:   2431 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2431)

Seems like she's the only one seeing responsible actions out of the whole cast.  I totally support Marten's decision to buy that guitar, but I don't see picking up extra hours to make up the lost money as more responsible than usual.  She sees him as responsible when he's just making up for a huge impulse purchase there.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Aziraphale on 07 Oct 2014, 21:28
Am I the only one who picked up on Claire having feelings for Marten here:   2431 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2431)

Seems like she's the only one seeing responsible actions out of the whole cast.  I totally support Marten's decision to buy that guitar, but I don't see picking up extra hours to make up the lost money as more responsible than usual.  She sees him as responsible when he's just making up for a huge impulse purchase there.

The facial expression's a bit cut off by the glasses, but it looks like she's making a wisecrack (kinda like when she calls him "Cicero" at the reception).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 07 Oct 2014, 21:55
I like Claire. I'm not sure about this development, though. Mainly because I foresee certain complications.

I don't think Clinton is a big Marten fan. While that won't likely be an issue in and of itself, I now wonder if, with the impending Dora/Sven implosion that Jeph wasn't foreshadowing a parallel with Claire and Clinton. I could see Clinton, possibly inadvertently, prophesying gloom and doom for this relationship. Possibly their mother will rein that in, or maybe he and Marten will form the sort of friendship Sven and Marten had when Marten was dating Dora.

I think Marten has to tell Claire about the Emily stuff. I do think Emily will have a problem with it. She has been shown as pretty mellow, but I found it pretty evident as of her party that she had the hots for Marten. It's even possible that she confided in Claire and Gabby in this. I don't know that for sure, but I could see her doing that. Which would mean she might see Claire's move as a betrayal. Orrr, she might not care. But I think that this will cause some friction, at least initially.

Also, I still think there's another shoe to drop in the Padma situation. I could see her reentering the narrative at some point down the road. Marten, to his credit, is a loyal boyfriend so I can't see him jumping at the chance to get back with her, but considering how freaked out he was when he saw the girl he'd left California for, I think that a Padma reentry would cause a shakeup, no matter how into Claire he might be.

I'm interested to see where it goes, though.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 07 Oct 2014, 21:59
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)

I registered just to say that I'm with you guys.  We are the Three Caballeros!

That said, it's pretty much exactly for the same reasons you guys said.

Although, I admit, I've seen this coming from way back when Marten found out her secret, I just haven't seen it develope in a way that seem... well... developed.  Which is probably because I feel very "meh" towards Claire in particular, but I digress.

I had no particular focus to this forum post, it seems.

I'm kind of in this group too.  There's just something doesn't "feel" right about it, but I can't identify what.  I know there has been a little buildup, so it's not that.  Perhaps it's that Marten seems rather out of character.  He's usually a little neurotic, a little uncertain.  This is a totally different Marten, just diving in and showing no sign of uncertainty or confusion.

Character growth?  Perhaps, it just seems rather sudden.

I just feel like most of the arcs lately have felt forced and ham-fisted.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: kyraeus on 07 Oct 2014, 22:05
Are we reading the same comic?  That would be cruel, and not in keeping with the 'theme' of the QCverse, which seems to revolve around kindness and acceptance.

Are WE reading the same comic?  I mean, at least, specifically revolving around the area of Marten's love life?  The boy's basically had every single person who ever had any interest in him/vice versa go... in a word, poorly.

While I don't personally have anything against a trans relationship (beyond the honest answer of it not being really my own preference for myself), it isn't a HUGE leap to see that while this has the potential to go well, it also has a SPECTACULAR option of being the next in a series of humongous explosions.  I seriously feel bad for the poor guy.

I think anyone who's around, involved, or related to anything trans can at least somewhat agree that besides life's normal problems, feeling like you're the wrong gender adds a boatload of special issues.  Marten's had bad luck enough with people WITHOUT that excess baggage, with only the 'normal' levels of baggage.. (Well, for whatever counts for normal for people he gets involved with that is).

I guess it all comes down to: I'd like to see Marten succeed just for once with a relationship.  And barring that, I'd at least like to see it NOT become something that demands a night getting piss drunk and worrying about whether it's going to mess with his entire circle of friendships, as in like; if it works it works, if not it doesn't, no harm, no foul, everyone walks away friends and happy. 

Y'know.  Rather than the explodey that's happened at least twice now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: tragic_pizza on 07 Oct 2014, 22:19
I have resisted - for MONTHS - voicing my hope that ClaireMartin would be A Thing.

Please let it not be someone's dream.

FWIW, Parker Marie Molloy picked up on this, and there is currently a wonderful squee-fest going on in my FB feed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 07 Oct 2014, 22:22
I don't know, kyraeus. I think the Dora relationship ended well enough. Sure, it hurt for a bit but they ended up friends. It's not like she smashed up his car or things got really ugly. (does anyone besides Claire even own a car in this comic?) As for this time, it's kind of hard to care how this turns out. It's getting harder to care how any of this recent shit turns out, honestly. I started reading QC because it was a mature, but still humorous look into everyday life. Lately though it's just Dawson's Fuckin Creek in Hipstertown.

My favorite strips lately are the ones with May. Mostly because she's kind of a dick. She's the only one around who seems capable of rolling her eyes and calling people out on their pithy bullshit. I know everyone else likes that the strip has this lovey-dovey kindness and acceptance group therapy thing going on, but I feel like if things get any more saccharine I'm going to get diabetes. It just feels fake. Like QC is suddenly 7th Heaven with facial piercings. Life isn't like this. Hell, the earlier arcs had some unrealistic stuff, but at least it was funny. Remember when Faye would attack people outright and the rest of the cast would chuckle? Now it seems like it would become Yet Another Big Damn Deal.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Netrunner on 07 Oct 2014, 22:28
I never expected to read these forums and feel like the world's biggest Hopeless Romantic. Cynicism abounds. I get that no relationship is easy, and one like Marten and Claire are facing is even less so. Does that have to mean doom and gloom? Every relationship you have ever been in has failed untill you get to the one that doesn't. (It's why you don't keep looking for your keys after you've found them.) Does that mean that you give up and settle? I guess for some people, but I don't see Marten doing that. Yeah, shit happens. Yeah, when you're 20-something you are likely to go through a lot of relationships. Some last for a while, some burn bright and fizzle out. Some are just hook-ups. We've seen Marten in all of these situations. I hold out hope that the two of them will weather the storms just fine.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 22:33
Ahh.  I've tried to avoid knowing as much about anime as possible in my life.
Probably a wise choice.
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.

Also check the title! http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1525
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 07 Oct 2014, 22:35
WRT the whole "moe" thing: it appears that one of the central themes of moe, as I understand it, is innocence and submissiveness. Now, Claire has shown that when it comes to matters of the heart she's somewhat naive, but I hardly would say that her character as a whole is one of innocence-just look at her conversation with Clinton about judging risks and all that. And, when it comes to submissiveness, well, she had some pretty strong opinions that she didn't quash about Marten's lame orientation, and she's quick to call people out when she perceives them as being egotistical ("I knew [obscure artist] back when he had a whole first name"). I don't see her as being a cliche, is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 22:41
WRT the whole "moe" thing: it appears that one of the central themes of moe, as I understand it, is innocence and submissiveness. Now, Claire has shown that when it comes to matters of the heart she's somewhat naive, but I hardly would say that her character as a whole is one of innocence-just look at her conversation with Clinton about judging risks and all that. And, when it comes to submissiveness, well, she had some pretty strong opinions that she didn't quash about Marten's lame orientation, and she's quick to call people out when she perceives them as being egotistical ("I knew [obscure artist] back when he had a whole first name"). I don't see her as being a cliche, is what I'm getting at.

Nope, just finish reading the sentence. Also Hanners is listed in the webcomic section of moe

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The classical Moe character is highly associated with innocence, submission, helplessness and woobie characteristics (e.g., Fragile Flower, Shrinking Violet, Extreme Doormat, Dojikko, The Ingenue, etc., usually drawn with Tareme Eyes), although this does not need to be always the case. In many other, more modern variations, there is also a trend towards more upbeat and extroverted personalities that are far more unique, noticeable and recognizable

An easier to understand description is earlier in the TVtropes article:

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A common definition is that Moe is the ability of a character to instill in the audience an irrational desire to adore them, hug them, protect them, comfort them, etc. To evoke a sort of Big Brother Instinct, in men and women.

It is a kind of character found in many works from Lés Misérables to Harry Potter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 07 Oct 2014, 23:11
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.
Sure it is! I actively choose to remain ignorant of sports, because the perceived benefit of having something to talk about with other males my age and any slight enjoyment I might derive from it don't outweigh in my mind the amount of time I would spend watching games.

I also actively choose to remain ignorant of my parent's sexuality, which I will maintain is a very wise choice!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 23:16
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.
Sure it is! I actively choose to remain ignorant of sports, because the perceived benefit of having something to talk about with other males my age and any slight enjoyment I might derive from it don't outweigh in my mind the amount of time I would spend watching games.

I also actively choose to remain ignorant of my parent's sexuality, which I will maintain is a very wise choice!

Your parents have sexuality? I'm so sorry. Gotta tell ya, being an immaculate conception is great :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: no one special on 07 Oct 2014, 23:20
Congrats, Sir/Madam. I registered an account just to join the conversation because of you.

Awww thanks!  Glad you're joining the community! 


Have you never had a friend that suddenly became a romantic interest?
...
 I'd evaluate my feelings.

Sure, I've absolutely had that happen!  Shame I was always too chicken to follow up on it  :-\

When it happened to me, though, it was someone that I already at least had friend-chemistry with, someone I was already connecting with.  But there's been very little relationship development between these two!  Nothing to say, "hey, there's something there, maybe!"  He mused over the drunk-snuggle the same way he mused over Emily's cheek-kiss - noting to write home about there.  Even when he's in the bar and calls Claire his favorite, he says "you're all my favorite!"  Marten reaches out to Claire and invites her to things because that's what he does - he reaches out to people who seem like they need it.  He's helping her feel included, that's all.  If Emily wasn't so self-sufficient, he'd invite her out to stuff too.  There's no indication that they even have a deepening friendship, besides idle conversations at work.  It just feels like Marten falling into something because it's easy and she's has a crush, not through any real impetus of his own.

There's also the issue (for me) that she feels so much younger and impressionable.  She's trusted him with personal stuff, but what has she trusted her with?  What does he see in her?  What is it that makes it about her in particular?  I get that she has a crush on him, but it feels like an infatuation-crush, not like something Marten could sink his teeth into. 

Here's the thing: Let's compare Claire to Padma.  Marten didn't know Padma very long, just like he hasn't known Claire long.  But he and Padma could talk about things, they could banter back and forth, they could laugh, there was chemistry!  That I was totally into, I could understand that!  Plus, Padma was an adult, you know?  And her time with Marten felt like an adult relationship, brief as it was.  We haven't seen any of that with Claire.  He's been a confidant to Claire, sure, he's been a buddy.  But more than that?  It's just not there. 

With Padma, it felt natural. With Claire, it feels forced.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 07 Oct 2014, 23:22
I also actively choose to remain ignorant of my parent's sexuality, which I will maintain is a very wise choice!

Your parents have sexuality? I'm so sorry. Gotta tell ya, being an immaculate conception is great :)
Wait, they told you immaculate conception didn't involve sex? Yikes!


/blasphemy
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:22
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.
Sure it is! I actively choose to remain ignorant of sports, because the perceived benefit of having something to talk about with other males my age and any slight enjoyment I might derive from it don't outweigh in my mind the amount of time I would spend watching games.

I also actively choose to remain ignorant of my parent's sexuality, which I will maintain is a very wise choice!
Not dedicating time to something is not the same as actively avoiding knowing anything about it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 07 Oct 2014, 23:24
I've been thinking about ways in which Marten and Claire counterbalance each other.  Claire is passionate and goal-oriented but hasn't lived independently or dated; Marten has plenty of adult life experience but is still drifting along without knowing what he wants to be when he grows up.  Claire is high-strung, socially awkward, and has panic attacks, but she's brave about taking initiative and facing change; Marten is passive, a bit of a chicken, and hates change, but he's comfortable around people and is generally very even-tempered and laid back.

Put all this together, and you might have a relationship in which neither person is the dominant one.  That could be a good learning experience for both of them.  It'd be a comfortable space for Claire to grow into dating: if she fell for someone more Type A, she might just get swept along and not learn as much about herself and her needs and desires, but if she had a relationship in which she wound up leading too much, she might be torn apart by anxieties.  For Marten, well, he's been a bit overshadowed and sometimes dominated by the women in his life, and he might develop more of his manhood if he spends time with someone who, while not a doormat, isn't three times as assertive as he is.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 07 Oct 2014, 23:25
I also actively choose to remain ignorant of my parent's sexuality, which I will maintain is a very wise choice!

Your parents have sexuality? I'm so sorry. Gotta tell ya, being an immaculate conception is great :)
Wait, they told you immaculate conception didn't involve sex? Yikes!


/blasphemy

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: KOK on 07 Oct 2014, 23:26
If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix. Unless you're a hardcore prescriptivist, I don't see any way around the argument that burger, in modern common usage, denotes malleable foodstuffs molded into a patty that is then cooked.

Not in these parts. A chicken burger contains small pieces of roast chicken. Nothing resembling a patty.

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 07 Oct 2014, 23:26
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.
Any issue?

You should hang out with Pintsize.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Toe on 07 Oct 2014, 23:28
Quote from: Vincent Adultman
I know everyone else likes that the strip has this lovey-dovey kindness and acceptance group therapy thing going on

I'm pretty sure half of what goes into this comic is Jeph's personal therapy. The other half being a tribute to Azumanga Daioh.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:28
I don't think actively choosing ignorance over any issue is a wise choice.
Any issue?

You should hang out with Pintsize.  :wink:
Indeed. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2332

But I'm a knowledge hoarder so my opinion is biassed.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 07 Oct 2014, 23:31
Some is so unsubtle, I can't believe others haven't commented on it. Just look at pupil size for goodness' sake.

Lol, spot on!  I was tempted to mention the size of their eyes (rather than the size of their pupils), but thought that it was too obvious and opted for 'body language' instead.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 07 Oct 2014, 23:31
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:35
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....
Yes
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: badbum61 on 07 Oct 2014, 23:37
15 PAGES BY.......oh, wait.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 07 Oct 2014, 23:41
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....
Yes
:psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 23:41
Nope, no matter how many times I look at it Claire's faces are just so adorable.  That is what pure, unadulterated happiness looks like.

Yeah, Claire has been cute throughout the bar scene and aftermath. Jeph has really worked hard on her body language and I think that is why so many have become invested in this plot - We know what she feels and care enough that we want her to be okay. It's a triumph of his artwork, really.

I've said this before but Marten's decisiveness is something that has been developing for a while. Although it crashed and burned with Delilah, it did get him to the initial objective, just not the longer-term one. Combined with all his friends pairing off, I think that he's been thinking about which girl to try with for a while. Claire's special circumstances meant he had to be that much more self-reliant because he couldn't just discuss her with complete openness with anyone.

Can it work, long-term? The whole point of strip 2807 is that Marten doesn't know! He is proposing to date Claire to find out. By not just jumping to sex the way that he did with Dora, there is the opportunity to back off and salvage their friendship if things go bad. From what Marten has said, being on easy speaking terms with Dora was unusual with his exes; he probably ways to avoid a 'too hot, too fast thing with Claire.

I disagree with the suggestion that the strip has nowhere left to go. There is Momo and inclusiveness, Claire and inclusiveness, Hannelore's destiny (I wouldn't be surprised if she were her mother's clone with cybernetic 'upgrades' originally intended as a replacement body) and, of course, whether Marten will ever fulfill his dreams. So long as Jeph remains interested, I'll keep reading!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 07 Oct 2014, 23:44

Here's the thing: Let's compare Claire to Padma.  Marten didn't know Padma very long, just like he hasn't known Claire long.  But he and Padma could talk about things, they could banter back and forth, they could laugh, there was chemistry!  That I was totally into, I could understand that!  Plus, Padma was an adult, you know?  And her time with Marten felt like an adult relationship, brief as it was.  We haven't seen any of that with Claire.  He's been a confidant to Claire, sure, he's been a buddy.  But more than that?  It's just not there. 

With Padma, it felt natural. With Claire, it feels forced.

While I'm not disputing this, per se, I'm having a hard time really spotting the differences. Marten really didn't pursue Padma, either. He gamely went along with her on hijinks with Sam and was cool with going out dancing because she asked, and they hooked up because it kinda was drifting that way. There was a ton of time between Marten and Steve running into Padma at the bar, which is probably when it became clear that Marten was into her, and the hooking up, and basically none of it was initiated by Marten himself, unless I'm forgetting something. Also, yes, they could banter, but we are also talking about Padma, who would not return Marten's calls even just to say goodbye. Not very adult from where I stand.

Your response, though, makes me wonder  because I hadn't considered that Marten is basically doing a repeat of the Dora situation, where he gets into a relationship with someone who has a huge crush on him, and who he liked well enough but likely would not necessarily have pursued. If Delilah had given him her number, I think Marten would have tried dating her. I'm not trying to say Marten is settling for Claire. I think he genuinely likes her and maybe the night out and seeing her with her hair down made him realize he was attracted to her. But I do sort of wonder if we'll ever see Marten in a relationship with someone for whom he has feelings similar to those he had with Faye - he was upfront about his attraction, willing to pursue, and bummed when it didn't happen.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Loki on 07 Oct 2014, 23:48


Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

Welcome, new person!

If you research the matter further, you'll find the term "biologically a man/a woman" fails to properly describe the situation in any case. After all, what are we but biology, no matter our bodies?

So Claire is a woman, because she identifies as a woman.

Moderator Comment If you intended it as a question about her genitalia: please don't discuss that. In the manner such discussions tend to go, they very quickly become disrespectful to real people, of which we have a-plenty on this board. Imho not discussing people's genitalia without their consent is basic human decency.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:49
Your response, though, makes me wonder  because I hadn't considered that Marten is basically doing a repeat of the Dora situation, where he gets into a relationship with someone who has a huge crush on him, and who he liked well enough but likely would not necessarily have pursued. If Delilah had given him her number, I think Marten would have tried dating her. I'm not trying to say Marten is settling for Claire. I think he genuinely likes her and maybe the night out and seeing her with her hair down made him realize he was attracted to her. But I do sort of wonder if we'll ever see Marten in a relationship with someone for whom he has feelings similar to those he had with Faye - he was upfront about his attraction, willing to pursue, and bummed when it didn't happen.
Maybe he will
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Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2014, 23:50
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

I'll say this much: Her hips move like she's anatomically female. Men can walk like that but it takes conscious effort. Claire was half-asleep, so it is just how her body works. I'd say she's >80℅ through transition.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Oct 2014, 23:53
Maybe he will
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That ship sunk so long ago it's sitting in the middle of a desert.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 07 Oct 2014, 23:54
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man?
Well, if you check her DNA, yes. She (removed by moderator), she cant have babies, and she had to take hormones to make, for example, her breasts grow. In reality also her voice would be male-ish, and the chance that she's a lesbian would be very high (basically reverse chances than for ordinary people).

It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way
Why ? He was into women before ?

or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath??
Only bisexuals have that "freedom".
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Saabstory88 on 07 Oct 2014, 23:55
Congrats, Sir/Madam. I registered an account just to join the conversation because of you.

Awww thanks!  Glad you're joining the community! 


Have you never had a friend that suddenly became a romantic interest?
...
 I'd evaluate my feelings.

Sure, I've absolutely had that happen!  Shame I was always too chicken to follow up on it  :-\

When it happened to me, though, it was someone that I already at least had friend-chemistry with, someone I was already connecting with.  But there's been very little relationship development between these two!  Nothing to say, "hey, there's something there, maybe!"  He mused over the drunk-snuggle the same way he mused over Emily's cheek-kiss - noting to write home about there.  Even when he's in the bar and calls Claire his favorite, he says "you're all my favorite!"  Marten reaches out to Claire and invites her to things because that's what he does - he reaches out to people who seem like they need it.  He's helping her feel included, that's all.  If Emily wasn't so self-sufficient, he'd invite her out to stuff too.  There's no indication that they even have a deepening friendship, besides idle conversations at work.  It just feels like Marten falling into something because it's easy and she's has a crush, not through any real impetus of his own.

There's also the issue (for me) that she feels so much younger and impressionable.  She's trusted him with personal stuff, but what has she trusted her with?  What does he see in her?  What is it that makes it about her in particular?  I get that she has a crush on him, but it feels like an infatuation-crush, not like something Marten could sink his teeth into. 

Here's the thing: Let's compare Claire to Padma.  Marten didn't know Padma very long, just like he hasn't known Claire long.  But he and Padma could talk about things, they could banter back and forth, they could laugh, there was chemistry!  That I was totally into, I could understand that!  Plus, Padma was an adult, you know?  And her time with Marten felt like an adult relationship, brief as it was.  We haven't seen any of that with Claire.  He's been a confidant to Claire, sure, he's been a buddy.  But more than that?  It's just not there. 

With Padma, it felt natural. With Claire, it feels forced.

As with most of the discussion to be found, it seems as though everyone is assuming that each character is acting towards a best case scenario. Even those who would say these action are out of character, are saying so because they assume that the story will be written in such a way that trends, from the beginning, towards a a favorable outcome. I have read several comments which seem to allude to this story line being pursued because of they think Jeph has a certain social agenda, or otherwise pandering. Might it be, that he does have an agenda, but it is not one which has been fully considered.

Disclaimer: If any of the following is against forum rules, please let me know, and i will refrain from discussing such things in the future, I have not been here for that long.

It seems that so many people have been assuming that Jeph's message is that two people can be in a relationship, regardless of any issues resulting from gender identity, or from being trans. What if that's not the point, there may actually be a different end game. After continuing to re-read the various strips with Marten and Claire, I can truly see the arguments from both sides as to whether or not the relationship developed naturally. Perhaps, in the end, they are not actually compatible people. We of course can not know that yet, and I do not feel like getting into listing all of the various pros and cons of their relationship. But, what this makes me wonder about, is if Jeph is trying to make a statement, maybe he will have them break up. Maybe it will be horrible. This will lead into a more important point. While it can be something that an author wants to talk about, when he creates a cis and trans character who get together, is it not a more powerful point to create these characters which end up apart because of their base incompatibility, and not something resulting from any of their perceived gender identity issues?

To elaborate, if you want to expound upon these issues, as out dear author may wish to, if you have a cis/trans couple get together, and then split, having a real, underlying personality conflict, will eliminate any speculation about whether the relationship ended because of any transphobic complications. This is possibly even a more powerful message than getting them together in the first place, because the reasons for their breakup are clear, and not related to any perceived trans issues. The reason that is see this as being a likely outcome, is that, while I like Claire as a person, I just don't think we have even met the person that Marten is meant to be with. It just seems too soon in the progression of the story. I don't know, it seems like either there is going to be a breakup, or there is going to be a marriage, how else would the story end properly? It would seem less likely to me that Jeph is going to eliminate all of the struggle from Marten's character in the foreseeable future, so the likely outcome is breakup.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:55
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

I'll say this much: Her hips move like she's anatomically female. Men can walk like that but it takes conscious effort. Claire was half-asleep, so it is just how her body works. I'd say she's >80℅ through transition.
Although anatomically speaking female gait part of normal women movement I guess a man can actively train that until it takes no more conscious effort.

Taking hormone in adulthood wouldn't change that because it is part of the basic bone structure I think.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nightfall44 on 07 Oct 2014, 23:56
OK... I've signed up to comment on this for a number of reasons.

Firstly, Claire looks EXACTLY like a girl I know who is/was in the same situation as Claire who I crushed on for ages. Not the "one that got away", but close. DAMN if I haven't been rooting for Marten and Claire.

Secondly, the "Nose Grows Some" reference had me worried. Why? Pinocchio. To me, it was a suggestion that this was a falsehood. But somehow I'm doubting that.

Thirdly, I want to put my own thoughts in on this. This is a potential relationship where Marten hasn't been pushed into it. It's all his OWN initiative, unlike most of the others... Padma, Dora, D (not that that was a relationship, but it follows the pattern) all pretty much took the lead and he followed. For once, it's his own choice to pursue something. Yes, this has been mentioned before, but there is another aspect to this.

In this (potential) relationship, there are no expectations. They HAVE to feel it out. He doesn't have to take a role other than a decent, upright guy. It can be taken at its own speed, and both of them can put on the brakes at any point. He can, in his own way, take the lead by NOT taking the lead.

Does that make sense to anyone else?

But I am squeeing like a 14-year-old girl at these developments. I really, REALLY hope that Jeph isn't trolling us again...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:57
Maybe he will
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That ship sunk so long ago it's sitting in the middle of a desert.
And that's why it could happen! Because nobody is expecting it anymor... Oh... Now it won't happen... Wait!  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Oct 2014, 23:58
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

Hello, and welcome, and please give yourself an emergency crash course in transgender issues.

Claire's brain is set to female, and brains are biological, so "biologically a man" is imprecise language that will lead your thinking astray. The delivery room doctor probably checked "male" if that's what you're asking. Marten is flexible enough to realize that the person underneath is a woman despite accidents of birth.

Prepare for some serious brain-stretching as you study this!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 07 Oct 2014, 23:59
Secondly, the "Nose Grows Some" reference had me worried. Why? Pinocchio. To me, it was a suggestion that this was a falsehood. But somehow I'm doubting that.
It is a reference to a song. It was posted in the thread earlier.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 08 Oct 2014, 00:02
I've got to say that even the view points that I don't agree with here are fascinating - it isn't just that there is more than one way to start or be in a relationship, there is a human race full of ways :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Nightfall44 on 08 Oct 2014, 00:03
Secondly, the "Nose Grows Some" reference had me worried. Why? Pinocchio. To me, it was a suggestion that this was a falsehood. But somehow I'm doubting that.
It is a reference to a song. It was posted in the thread earlier.

I got that. I didn't know that at the time, but it still gave me some misgivings after that was pointed out. And it could still be a reference to that as well... but, as I said, I doubt that. Just my two pence on that one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 08 Oct 2014, 00:07
I've got to say that even the view points that I don't agree with here are fascinating - it isn't just that there is more than one way to start or be in a relationship, there is a human race full of ways :-)
As many ways as people.  :-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 00:08
Secondly, the "Nose Grows Some" reference had me worried. Why? Pinocchio. To me, it was a suggestion that this was a falsehood. But somehow I'm doubting that.
It is a reference to a song. It was posted in the thread earlier.
Y'know, I don't understand those lyrics and definitely don't understand what it has to do with the comic.  If anyone wants to draw any kind of connection.... ?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 08 Oct 2014, 00:11
Welcome, new people, and here's a repost of something topical you may not have gotten to yet in the Rules section.

Quote from: forum rules
Speaking of civility, there are a lot of things to know about transgender and other trans* people. This set of rules is incomplete.

The principle to keep in mind is that the trans* people are male, female, or other as they report themselves to be. They have spent their lives grappling with their identity and are the world's leading authorities on it. Next is that they have always been that sex even when their bodies didn't match. Remember those points and you'll see a lot of the etiquette for yourself.

Don't argue "biology" unless you have a specialist post-secondary education.

Private parts and pronouns: use pronouns people tell you to use for them. And don't put them in quotes. Don't ask about medical status. Natural general curiosity you should satisfy with online resources such as http://glaad.org/transgender but don't pry into someone's life. You wouldn't ask any other woman "Do you have a vagina"?, so don't do it to a trans woman.

That includes Claire. It took a while to persuade the moderators but it turns out that speculating about Claire's downstairs hurts real people. Further,
Quote from Jeph Jacques
    Dear everyone who ever asks about Claire’s junk: it’s none of your business what’s in somebody else’s pants. Stop it.


That word you saw online is a toxic slur. "Shemale", "tranny", and anything you've seen on a porn site will be treated like ethnic slurs by the moderators.

Want to know more?. There's a lot to learn. Start with the links ZoeB posted at the beginning of the trans* discussion thread. Be cautious asking in the forum: make sure you don't sound like you're entitled to answers. We have some generous educators but don't overuse them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 00:16


Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

Welcome, new person!

If you research the matter further, you'll find the term "biologically a man/a woman" fails to properly describe the situation in any case. After all, what are we but biology, no matter our bodies?

So Claire is a woman, because she identifies as a woman.


If you intended it as a question about her genitalia: please don't discuss that. In the manner such discussions tend to go, they very quickly become disrespectful to real people, of which we have a-plenty on this board. Imho not discussing people's genitalia without their consent is basic human decency.

I can't get a fictitious person's consent. My only reason for asking the question is because I want to get into Marten's headspace. Genitalia exist, it's part of being human. Some humans like one set, some the other, and some both. To my knowledge Marten has never expressed any interest in people with male genitalia. It seems out of character to suddenly jump into relationship with a transgender person because we have no previous examples of him expressing interest in the male sex. My inquiry stems from the thought if this is something Marten has considered fully. I can't judge if Marten thinks he is being bold and assertive and fooling himself that he can do this or if he is genuinely attracted to Claire both physically and emotionally. I guess that is yet to be decided but not knowing left me scratching my head. I'm not looking to discuss this any further as I am already ranting a bit but I don't believe in ignoring one aspect of a person because it leaves me lacking understanding of them as a whole especially when it is something they might be uncomfortable with because then I can understand  at least from an external view point what difficulties they may face.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 00:19
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

Hello, and welcome, and please give yourself an emergency crash course in transgender issues.

Claire's brain is set to female, and brains are biological, so "biologically a man" is imprecise language that will lead your thinking astray. The delivery room doctor probably checked "male" if that's what you're asking. Marten is flexible enough to realize that the person underneath is a woman despite accidents of birth.

Prepare for some serious brain-stretching as you study this!
My language is sloppy but my understanding is clear. I doubt Marten's credibility because I've seen people make decisions like this in real life only to realize later that they chose something that they actually didn't want, often harming others in the process.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 00:28
I've seen people make decisions like this in real life only to realize later that they chose something that they actually didn't want, often harming others in the process.
The decision to date the person you find attractive and see whether it works out often does lead to such realizations and hurt feelings, yes.  But there's only one way to find out...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 00:38


Hello, and welcome, and please give yourself an emergency crash course in transgender issues.

Claire's brain is set to female, and brains are biological, so "biologically a man" is imprecise language that will lead your thinking astray. The delivery room doctor probably checked "male" if that's what you're asking. Marten is flexible enough to realize that the person underneath is a woman despite accidents of birth.

Prepare for some serious brain-stretching as you study this!

I'm so going to be banned for this but remember who brought this male/female brain stuff into the discussion...

Claire is a lovely person who for some reason or reasons was sufficiently uncomfortable with the physical and social conditions imposed by the circumstances of her birth. So uncomfortable that she sought out to change those things and has succeeded to such an extent that the people around her though either ignorance or acceptance see Claire as what she chooses to present to the world. Good for her and good for Marten not having hangups that get in the way or perusing someone he likes, who likes him and would make a good match.

But this stuff about male and female brains is so much offensive crap!

A brain is a brain. To even suggest anything else is to buy into all that crap of boys are better than girl at... and girls are better than boys at... It reenforces misogynistic bullshit like women are too emotional or girls are bad at math. It says men are right every time they make an excuse up about how woman are supposed to behave because now their brains are like that not becuse form an early age they were trained by the pink asile at the toy store with little dolls and easy bake ovens while the Lego and blocks were in the blue aisle.

Boy brain or girl brain is bullshit. And the science agrees.

Kindly read this before pressing the ban button. http://www.popsci.com/article/science/stop-looking-%E2%80%9Chardwired%E2%80%9D-differences-male-and-female-brains
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Oct 2014, 00:42
I'm not looking to discuss this any further as I am already ranting a bit but I don't believe in ignoring one aspect of a person because it leaves me lacking understanding of them as a whole especially when it is something they might be uncomfortable with because then I can understand  at least from an external view point what difficulties they may face.

We don't ignore the issue; we restrict the discussion of it in a number of ways, and for a number of reasons. 

The owner of this forum, the artist himself, has made it clear that talking about people's and character's genitalia is off-limits; his place, his rules. 

The mods, trying to follow his guidance, together with that of those most affected by society's marginalisation of them (and worse - much worse) have channelled the discussion of trans*-related matters into threads in the Discuss! forum - those threads contain many thousands of posts around this subject which are useful to read, and which will give some insight into the decisions that are made here.

To even suggest anything else is to buy into all that crap of boys are better than girl at... and girls are better than boys at...

No one here is saying that different means better or worse; that is bullshit.  Read the thousands of posts I just mentioned (and the links they contain) for more background.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hakko504 on 08 Oct 2014, 00:44
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man?
Well, if you check her DNA, yes.
While this is probable, there is no way for us to know whether it's true or not.
She also had an operation to transform her penis into a vagina
You do not know that. It has never been stated and we've been (repeatedly) asked not to speculate.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 08 Oct 2014, 00:52
I'm just not buyin' it. It truly pains me to say it, 'cause I've been reading this comic for YEARS, and I've loved Jeph's work, and I've bought QC stuff from him to support him,  but I think this might be a tipping point.  It feels like getting Marten into another relationship just for the sake of getting him into another relationship, and nothing more.  I love Jeph's work, but I'm having real trouble following this move.  Where's the heart behind it, where's the impetus?  I just...

I don't see it.

Me neither. Probably has to do with the fact that I don't really like Claire and it's, to be honest, hard for me to gather why everybody loves her so much.  Can't see where Marten has got his feelings from, just can't. But we're very alone, so I think we just missed something and/or have a very different perception, so I'm just going to see myself out until this arc pauses ;)
Agreed. She is judgmental, and the puns are irritating (although Emily's are often worse). And she really needs a haircut.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 08 Oct 2014, 01:00
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?

Once you have the answer, then you'll know why Claire's downstairs configuration is a secondary concern to Marten, instead of his overriding goal.


If you want a more concise version: you date a *person*, you don't date their disembodied genitals.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 01:00
I'm not looking to discuss this any further as I am already ranting a bit but I don't believe in ignoring one aspect of a person because it leaves me lacking understanding of them as a whole especially when it is something they might be uncomfortable with because then I can understand  at least from an external view point what difficulties they may face.

We don't ignore the issue; we restrict the discussion of it in a number of ways, and for a number of reasons. 

The owner of this forum, the artist himself, has made it clear that talking about people's and character's genitalia is off-limits; his place, his rules. 

The mods, trying to follow his guidance, together with that of those most affected by society's marginalisation of them (and worse - much worse) have channelled the discussion of trans*-related matters into threads in the Discuss! forum - those threads contain many thousands of posts around this subject which are useful to read, and which will give some insight into the decisions that are made here.

To even suggest anything else is to buy into all that crap of boys are better than girl at... and girls are better than boys at...

No one here is saying that different means better or worse; that is bullshit.  Read the thousands of posts I just mentioned (and the links they contain) for more background.

On a general level I feel that restrictions on discussing any topic is often counterproductive. It often ends by one party telling the other party blatantly that they are wrong and ending the discussion. The offending party is then offended themselves and usually cements their beliefs and possible misconceptions. Instead an open (yet objectively moderated) discussion where people can ask and should ask questions to one another in order to achieve a better understanding of a topic or where one side is coming from will lead to better understanding all around. However I will respect Jeph's rules as it is his site and I have no say in the matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:02
Boy brain or girl brain is bullshit. And the science agrees.
Actually science disagrees with you. Popsci is not a valid scientific source.

There are male and female patterns meaning that there are patterns found more often in a gender than the other. The development of body parts is influenced by chemical signals like hormones since inside uterus and the brain is a body part.

There are studies based on girls who have been exposed to androgens before birth (due to some hormonal disfunction) and they are more likely to have male-typical interests.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdffiles/cah_berenbaum01.pdf

Don't forget that humans are animals and that the brain is a body part like any other.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:06
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: USS Martenclaire on 08 Oct 2014, 01:09
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?

"The syrup is for the *pancakes*!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 08 Oct 2014, 01:15
I thought the entire comic was to inflict pain on Marten ::)
Someone should tell Jeph, he seems to have forgotten for the last couple of weeks ;)

That obsessive, butterflies in the stomach feeling you get about someone though?  That never led me to any good places, not even once.
I hear you. When enumerating body parts that are qualified to make lifechanging decisions, "genitalia", "hormonal glands" and "heart" are not among them. Always double check with your brain.

That being said, emotions are a powerful thing and cannot be entirely discounted. After all, the whole point of your brain is to make you happy, which is an emotion.


I don't think Clinton is a big Marten fan.
I don't think Clinton is a big fan of anyone. He's overprotective of Claire to the point that he'd probably want to see her locked in a cage, three miles underground, where nothing could hurt her.
She has put him into place before, she may need to do it again. I expect him to stay suspicious, but I also expect him to respect his sister's wishes of not interfering.

To my knowledge Marten has never expressed any interest in people with male genitalia.
He has never expressed any interest in men. While there's a huge overlap between men and people with male genitalia, you don't check someone's pants to figure out whether they're attractive.

Claire is at a point in her transition where she looks female, behaves female and smells female. Marten does not seem to have any trouble seeing her as a female being, and his attraction to her can be real. It's possible that he wouldn't even know about her trans status if she hadn't told him.

At that point, in a perfect world, genitalia should be a minor issue they can work through. I understand that it's not a minor issue for everyone. Let me quote someone who said it better than I could:
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?
These are questions everyone should ask themselves at one point or another. Knowing your priorities in a relationship helps making better relationship decisions. My personal conclusion has been that sex is awesome, but it's not the part of a relationship I need to be happy. Your results may vary.


Whatever claire has down there, it will unfortunately be different to what marten is used to from cis women. They agreed to work through that when they're getting there. It's possible that it'll end up more complicated and/or less satisfying than the sex he had with his previous cis girlfriends, but that doesn't need to be dealbreaker.
Frankly, I don't think the issue of her pants is the biggest hurdle they will have to face.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:15
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?
Sure! But I still would rather have waffles most of the times.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:16
"The syrup is for the *pancakes*!"
Oh god, how did it take us this long for anyone to make that connection?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 08 Oct 2014, 01:17
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?

Once you have the answer, then you'll know why Claire's downstairs configuration is a secondary concern to Marten, instead of his overriding goal.


If you want a more concise version: you date a *person*, you don't date their disembodied genitals.

I. Love. This. Post.

We are getting an alarming number of newbies who just don't get it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:18
I thought the entire comic was to inflict pain on Marten ::)
Someone should tell Jeph, he seems to have forgotten for the last couple of weeks ;)
Just to make things even more devastating when they don't work out?

Things seemed to be going alright between him and Dora in the begin.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 01:20
Boy brain or girl brain is bullshit. And the science agrees.
Actually science disagrees with you. Popsci is not a valid scientific source.

There are male and female patterns meaning that there are patterns found more often in a gender than the other. The development of body parts is influenced by chemical signals like hormones since inside uterus and the brain is a body part.

There are studies based on girls who have been exposed to androgens before birth (due to some hormonal disfunction) and they are more likely to have male-typical interests.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdffiles/cah_berenbaum01.pdf

Don't forget that humans are animals and that the brain is a body part like any other.

Your reply suggests belief in such a thing as male-centric interests rather than the patriarchy suggesting which interests are acceptable based on biology.  What that study so condescendingly calls male-typical play is actively suppressed in the female half of the population. Boys will be boys vs don't you want to be a good girl? You're ignoring how early and strongly cultural training starts and how deeply its ingrained not to mention how changeable it has been over the years. Victorian women were expected to be reserved, Elizabethan women were expected to be bawdy, read Shakespeare some time. Are you suggesting sudden evolution changed lady brains? Does Marigold have a partial male brain because she liked video games?

Also I see your study and raise you another article http://womensenews.org/story/women-in-science/131212/calling-all-female-brains-stop-the-neurosexism#.VDTzbGcxUg4
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:20
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?

Once you have the answer, then you'll know why Claire's downstairs configuration is a secondary concern to Marten, instead of his overriding goal.


If you want a more concise version: you date a *person*, you don't date their disembodied genitals.

I. Love. This. Post.

We are getting an alarming number of newbies who just don't get it.

I wonder how many people got the mental image of a person taking a genital for a fancy dinner  :roll:

Now you got it!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 01:20
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?

Once you have the answer, then you'll know why Claire's downstairs configuration is a secondary concern to Marten, instead of his overriding goal.

I would love to believe that is always the case however I feel it is an ideal situation. People are different, they have different thought processes, modus operandi etc.... I know not everyone thinks nor acts that way whether it be the fault of our society or otherwise. Physical attraction is a deal breaker for many people. I understand how many people have successful relationships regardless of genitalia but to say that all people can do that would be a very broad statement. That's why I feel it is important to shed some light on what Marten is really thinking and feeling. He's reached a critical point in his life and he's freaking out about a lot of things. He may not be behaving rationally. It's entirely possible he's looking for something he can control because right now he feels like he is so out of control.  So when I am presented with their romance it's important in my mind that I have all the facts straight. In real life people's personal life isn't my business  especially when it comes to genitalia but when I am being told a story I feel it's my right to ask questions as it provides context and insight into what is happening and how I feel about characters.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 08 Oct 2014, 01:21
If you want a more concise version: you date a *person*, you don't date their disembodied genitals.

Yes. I tried to say something like this a long way back.

On a general level I feel that restrictions on discussing any topic is often counterproductive.
In this case, the discussions that happened before that rule was made were far more counterproductive.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:22
Boy brain or girl brain is bullshit. And the science agrees.
Actually science disagrees with you. Popsci is not a valid scientific source.

There are male and female patterns meaning that there are patterns found more often in a gender than the other. The development of body parts is influenced by chemical signals like hormones since inside uterus and the brain is a body part.

There are studies based on girls who have been exposed to androgens before birth (due to some hormonal disfunction) and they are more likely to have male-typical interests.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdffiles/cah_berenbaum01.pdf

Don't forget that humans are animals and that the brain is a body part like any other.

Your reply suggests belief in such a thing as male-centric interests rather than the patriarchy suggesting which interests are acceptable based on biology.  What that study so condescendingly calls male-typical play is actively suppressed in the female half of the population. Boys will be boys vs don't you want to be a good girl? You're ignoring how early and strongly cultural training starts and how deeply its ingrained not to mention how changeable it has been over the years. Victorian women were expected to be reserved, Elizabethan women were expected to be bawdy, read Shakespeare some time. Are you suggesting sudden evolution changed lady brains? Does Marigold have a partial male brain because she liked video games?

Also I see your study and raise you another article http://womensenews.org/story/women-in-science/131212/calling-all-female-brains-stop-the-neurosexism#.VDTzbGcxUg4

Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 01:23
Taking hormone in adulthood wouldn't change that because it is part of the basic bone structure I think.

Agreed; that's why I speculated about either surgical reconstruction (horrendously expensive, hazardous and unlikely) or nanorobotic bone molecular restructuring (thanks Dr E-C) up-thread.

If it's the latter... I wonder if it's an experimental therapy that Claire agreed to try out? I wonder how Hannelore would react to it? Would she regard Claire as effectively being a kind of step-sister, someone else touched by her father's genius?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:25
I thought the entire comic was to inflict pain on Marten ::)
Someone should tell Jeph, he seems to have forgotten for the last couple of weeks ;)
Maybe longer than that, now that I think of it.

In the early days, there was much more of a running gag of Marty being the poor sucker who always gets barfed upon or clonked in the junk, but Jeph mostly left that behind as the comic got more sophisticated and the characters more complex.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 01:26


I. Love. This. Post.

We are getting an alarming number of newbies who just don't get it.

How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 08 Oct 2014, 01:27
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?

Yes!  I've had enough of this waffling. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:31
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?

Yes!  I've had enough of this waffling.
Indeed--it's starting to give me the crepes.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 01:31


Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?

the articles cite their sources. Is there a reason you insist on seeing males and females as different rather than as people who are treated differently based on physical differences? Why do you wish to justify the stupid social expectations that put dolls in the hands of girls and blocks into the hands of boys instead of giving both to both?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 08 Oct 2014, 01:34

I would love to believe that is always the case however I feel it is an ideal situation. People are different, they have different thought processes, modus operandi etc.... I know not everyone thinks nor acts that way whether it be the fault of our society or otherwise. Physical attraction is a deal breaker for many people. I understand how many people have successful relationships regardless of genitalia but to say that all people can do that would be a very broad statement. That's why I feel it is important to shed some light on what Marten is really thinking and feeling. He's reached a critical point in his life and he's freaking out about a lot of things. He may not be behaving rationally. It's entirely possible he's looking for something he can control because right now he feels like he is so out of control.  So when I am presented with their romance it's important in my mind that I have all the facts straight. In real life people's personal life isn't my business  especially when it comes to genitalia but when I am being told a story I feel it's my right to ask questions as it provides context and insight into what is happening and how I feel about characters.

But I wonder if you would think this if Marten were with Emily? Or someone else not-Claire. If he were with Emily, let's say, he'd still be freaking out about a lot of things, so what really is the big deal? Claire is a woman. Reducing her to her "parts" isn't fair, and I think that's why that sort of discussion is verboten here.

I think that we will see Marten's state of mind as things progress between him and Claire. He is, at this point, not drunk, thinking rationally, and talking rationally. Claire has asked him directly if he was okay with her being trans. He actually didn't give her a yes or no answer, but he was honest. He doesn't know. This is uncharted territory for him. Things felt natural, but he is hinting that they must take things as they come and talk things out because there might come a time where things don't feel natural. But aside from that, he wanted to give them a chance.

In many ways, this is similar to the talk Tai had with Dora. At that point, Tai had never had a "real" relationship and she could not promise Dora that they'd live happily ever after, but she was into her and wanted to give it a shot.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Psuedoname on 08 Oct 2014, 01:34
(does anyone besides Claire even own a car in this comic?)
Started to think about it, and had to find out, only can be sure of a couple

Angus http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2292 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2292)
possibly Steve and/or Cosette http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2298)
Raven -aargh, couldnt find it, think it's a yellow Beetle
Tai - see same comic for Steve, also when she ran a few red lights thinking about Dora
Penelope http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1000 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1000)

Also, no new comic today :(

Warning - while you were typing 16 QC characters drove past in their cars. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:36
Dora has a car; she talks about driving to Marten & Faye's place the night she walks Tai home.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 01:40
In the early days, there was much more of a running gag of Marty being the poor sucker who always gets barfed upon or clonked in the junk, but Jeph mostly left that behind as the comic got more sophisticated and the characters more complex.

One of the running themes of the comic could be said to be Marten's climb out of the status of being "Fate's butt-monkey". The sci-fi fanatic in me considers the logical final step to be for him to step in Steve's shoes and have an action/adventure arc. Maybe saving Hannelore from her mother's evil plots (I'd love to see Beatrice doing a Dr Evil-style pinkie evil laugh).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: feelsalmostbad on 08 Oct 2014, 01:41

I would love to believe that is always the case however I feel it is an ideal situation. People are different, they have different thought processes, modus operandi etc.... I know not everyone thinks nor acts that way whether it be the fault of our society or otherwise. Physical attraction is a deal breaker for many people. I understand how many people have successful relationships regardless of genitalia but to say that all people can do that would be a very broad statement. That's why I feel it is important to shed some light on what Marten is really thinking and feeling. He's reached a critical point in his life and he's freaking out about a lot of things. He may not be behaving rationally. It's entirely possible he's looking for something he can control because right now he feels like he is so out of control.  So when I am presented with their romance it's important in my mind that I have all the facts straight. In real life people's personal life isn't my business  especially when it comes to genitalia but when I am being told a story I feel it's my right to ask questions as it provides context and insight into what is happening and how I feel about characters.

But I wonder if you would think this if Marten were with Emily? Or someone else not-Claire. If he were with Emily, let's say, he'd still be freaking out about a lot of things, so what really is the big deal? Claire is a woman. Reducing her to her "parts" isn't fair, and I think that's why that sort of discussion is verboten here.

Questioning people about hypotheticals  and building a straw man is hardly fair. My position never reduced Clair to  her "parts" and if Marten hooked up with someone else I would be asking the same questions. However because Marten is hooking up with Claire the consequences are much more severe. Claire could become entirely broken if things don't pan out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 01:42
In the early days, there was much more of a running gag of Marty being the poor sucker who always gets barfed upon or clonked in the junk, but Jeph mostly left that behind as the comic got more sophisticated and the characters more complex.

One of the running themes of the comic could be said to be Marten's climb out of the status of being "Fate's butt-monkey". The sci-fi fanatic in me considers the logical final step to be for him to step in Steve's shoes and have an action/adventure arc. Maybe saving Hannelore from her mother's evil plots (I'd love to see Beatrice doing a Dr Evil-style pinkie evil laugh).

That is awesome, you are awesome. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 01:47


Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?

the articles cite their sources. Is there a reason you insist on seeing males and females as different rather than as people who are treated differently based on physical differences? Why do you wish to justify the stupid social expectations that put dolls in the hands of girls and blocks into the hands of boys instead of giving both to both?
There is no scientific source, only a book and people can write anything they want on their books.

Also I oppose to this because people are what they are and try to change this is no good. Sometimes a girl is born with a more masculine brain and a boy is born with a more feminine brain and many parents try their best to change it.

I know a brother and sister that was like this. Since they were very small the girl played and interested in more masculine activities and toys while the boy was the other way around to the dismay of their parents. They tried their best to make the girl girly and the boy macho but no matter how much nurture was offered she continued ignoring dolls and instead playing with cars and swords while the boy continued being delicate and social.

I don't know about sexual preference, they still haven't demonstrated nothing on these lines and brain type doesn't necessarily match with sexual preferences.

Some things are part of what you are and no amount of nurturing can change that. You don't make a gay guy start liking women by educating him to like women, or a lesbian become straight.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: plusorminus on 08 Oct 2014, 01:48

Questioning people about hypotheticals  and building a straw man is hardly fair. My position never reduced Clair to  her "parts" and if Marten hooked up with someone else I would be asking the same questions. However because Marten is hooking up with Claire the consequences are much more severe. Claire could become entirely broken if things don't pan out.

As this was not clear from your previous posts, this was all you had to say. I was answering your question in good faith and not constructing any sort of "straw man." You bought genitalia into this discussion, not me.  Attacking me was unnecessary. You have a good one.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 01:51
One of the running themes of the comic could be said to be Marten's climb out of the status of being "Fate's butt-monkey". The sci-fi fanatic in me considers the logical final step to be for him to step in Steve's shoes and have an action/adventure arc. Maybe saving Hannelore from her mother's evil plots (I'd love to see Beatrice doing a Dr Evil-style pinkie evil laugh).
:-D :-D :-D

Would that be after he becomes Marten the Fireman?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 Oct 2014, 01:58
In real life people's personal life isn't my business  especially when it comes to genitalia but when I am being told a story I feel it's my right to ask questions as it provides context and insight into what is happening and how I feel about characters.

From last week's thread:

Discussions about the implications of Claire's gender status on her potential relationship with Marten are now off-limits. Marten and Claire are fictional characters. Jeph will reveal whatever he wants to tell us about their relationship through the comic. Speculation hurts real people who are members of this community and it is quite clear from the last few days that it's not possible for this sort of discussion to take place without that hurt occurring.

The problem is that every time Claire's status and its relation to a sexual relationship with Marten gets discussed, the end result is that the trans members of the community get hurt badly, and the forum descends into flamewars, and the mods have to break out the banhammer.

One problem is that it inevitably involves a discussion of Claire's genitalia (let's be honest, it does, because that's the entire reason there would be a hypothetical problem), and that is considered completely off limits, and based on statements Jeph has made on Tumblr (http://jephjacques.com/post/62913133057/question-time-answer-time) and Twitter (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/517429434958487553), I'd be shocked if we were ever told those details outright in the comic. Either things will work sexually between them, or they won't, and that's for Jeph to decide. We don't have enough information to decide, and speculating would hurt too many people for it to be worth it.

Marten and Claire need to have these discussions (and Claire, in fact, started them), but it's become clear that if we're not dating Claire, us having those discussions about her is incredibly rude. Yes, even though she's fictional.

Also, this is a privately run forum, not a forum run by the US government, and therefore you have no rights. See http://xkcd.com/1357/.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 08 Oct 2014, 02:04
How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 Oct 2014, 02:05
Also, it's worth reading this thread. Yes, the whole thread: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 02:05


Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?

the articles cite their sources. Is there a reason you insist on seeing males and females as different rather than as people who are treated differently based on physical differences? Why do you wish to justify the stupid social expectations that put dolls in the hands of girls and blocks into the hands of boys instead of giving both to both?
There is no scientific source, only a book and people can write anything they want on their books.

Also I oppose to this because people are what they are and try to change this is no good. Sometimes a girl is born with a more masculine brain and a boy is born with a more feminine brain and many parents try their best to change it.

I know a brother and sister that was like this. Since they were very small the girl played and interested in more masculine activities and toys while the boy was the other way around to the dismay of their parents. They tried their best to make the girl girly and the boy macho but no matter how much nurture was offered she continued ignoring dolls and instead playing with cars and swords while the boy continued being delicate and social.

I don't know about sexual preference, they still haven't demonstrated nothing on these lines and brain type doesn't necessarily match with sexual preferences.

Some things are part of what you are and no amount of nurturing can change that. You don't make a gay guy start liking women by educating him to like women, or a lesbian become straight.

Why are you defining activities as masculine and feminine? Sure people for whatever reason can be inclined to interests. That doesn't make those interests male or female that doesn't make a brain male or female. If someone likes playing with dolls (I did and even now sometimes do, don't you judge me!) that doesn't mean the doll part of the brain is female any more than someone who likes swords (I did and do, again don't you judge me) has some male part of the brain. It is just a brain and you are trying to impose gender onto it. Why are you doing this?

And none of that means they haven't been, won't be, and can't be influenced by social pressure to take on or reject other activities. And your reaction is to sit here and impose gender on the behaviors they do show? Why why why why are you doing this? If someone doesn't fit into the pink or blue box their brain must be different? That's insulting not only to them not only to anyone who doesn't conform to every single cultural exception but to anyone who does conform to a society other than your own. ideas of what is properly masculine and feminine aren't universal you know? Your explanations would lead men in Saudi Arabia to assume American women must naturally have more masculine brains than Saudi women.  Do you want to claim that's the case?

Wouldn't it be better to say rejecting dolls is nothing more than a case of individual preference rather than masculine behavior 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 02:06
Also, this is a privately run forum, not a forum run by the US government, and therefore you have no rights. See http://xkcd.com/1357/.
There truly is an xkcd for every occasion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: no one special on 08 Oct 2014, 02:08
We had been close friends for about 5 years, never really showed any romantic interest in each other (although there was attraction).  Then one day, it just kinda happened. 

Right, but you'd been close friends for 5 years!  That's a perfect time for that to happen, absolutely - plus, being close for so long tells you how well you get along already.  But Claire and Marten?  They haven't even had time to get that close.

To elaborate, if you want to expound upon these issues, as out dear author may wish to, if you have a cis/trans couple get together, and then split, having a real, underlying personality conflict, will eliminate any speculation about whether the relationship ended because of any transphobic complications. This is possibly even a more powerful message than getting them together in the first place, because the reasons for their breakup are clear, and not related to any perceived trans issues. The reason that is see this as being a likely outcome, is that, while I like Claire as a person, I just don't think we have even met the person that Marten is meant to be with. It just seems too soon in the progression of the story. I don't know, it seems like either there is going to be a breakup, or there is going to be a marriage, how else would the story end properly? It would seem less likely to me that Jeph is going to eliminate all of the struggle from Marten's character in the foreseeable future, so the likely outcome is breakup.

Preach!!!  Great thoughts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Lubricus on 08 Oct 2014, 02:08
How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.

Keep in mind that transpersons (transpeople?) have to face attacks on their gender identities ALL THE TIME, and should not have to do so when discussing a webcomic. So a bit of extra sensitivity from the rest of us really isn't much to ask, is it?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 08 Oct 2014, 02:10
You know, I had this whole big post typed up. It was nice and scientific, too. Then I realized what's at the root of the argument between valkygrrl and T. This makes it way easier to cut through the nonsense.

*ahem*

Gender roles are not gender.

valkygrrl is arguing about gender roles.
T is arguing about gender. (while accidentally citing examples with gender roles, confusing things)

Example: Person A is a female, but hates the accoutrement that society likes to baggage her with: dresses, pink, notions of who should do what, and all that. The accoutrement would be the work of gender roles, and this is not intrinsic. The fact that Person A is female would be gender itself, and it's this which is wired.

We can all whack ourselves with the palms of our hands, realizing how we've been talking past each other now. (Myself included, given how long the post I deleted in favor of this was.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 02:11
One of the running themes of the comic could be said to be Marten's climb out of the status of being "Fate's butt-monkey". The sci-fi fanatic in me considers the logical final step to be for him to step in Steve's shoes and have an action/adventure arc. Maybe saving Hannelore from her mother's evil plots (I'd love to see Beatrice doing a Dr Evil-style pinkie evil laugh).
:-D :-D :-D

Would that be after he becomes Marten the Fireman?

More like The Handyman. Stuff breaks so they call him in to fix it. Petty local strong-men, bandits or pirates, barons of commerce, religions, politicians or even whole countries! No job is too big!

Seriously, though, I can see something very dark coming out about Hannelore's origins. The plan has long since been cancelled but I suspect that Hannelore's mental issues and her very unusual childhood might all stem from a very unusual origin story. At the very least, I suspect she's Beatrice's clone. At the very worst, Beatrice was planning to be immortal and Hannelore, the person, was never originally meant to be more than a place-holder to keep Beatrice's next brain warm and working properly until she took up residence.

This, by the way, is why I think Hannelore had that waking nightmare moment where she dreamt she was in her mother's position and was about to do something horrible to the world. I believe that Beatrice and Dr John had discussed her long-term plans in front of what they then perceived as nothing but a blank slate and, on a subconscious level, Hannelore knows what her mother had planned to do to her and with her.

Things changed; I suspect that the Elliot-Chathams weren't able to maintain the necessary emotional detachment from the clone. I suspect, originally, they felt that a certain degree of mental stimulation was necessary to stop the clone's brain from degenerating into a mess. However, as they observed Station's interaction with the clone, she became more and more a person in their eyes and they couldn't go through with it. The 'divorce' was probably actually the consequence of a disagreement between Dr John and Beatrice about what to do with the clone (maybe Beatrice wanted her euthanasised to cover their tracks but Dr John had come to love Hannelore too much). It would explain Beatrice's emotional detachment from Hannelore if she is only now beginning to come to terms with her being an individual and a real person.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 02:17
Dang, Ben, you could write some freakin' awesome fanfiction.

I want to see the showdown between Marten and Hannermom in spaaaaaace!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 08 Oct 2014, 02:18
How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.

Keep in mind that transpersons (transpeople?) have to face attacks on their gender identities ALL THE TIME, and should not have to do so when discussing a webcomic. So a bit of extra sensitivity from the rest of us really isn't much to ask, is it?

That's a nice sentiment that I agree with, but doesn't really address what I was talking about. I'm not saying the trans community and their supporters should suck it up and bear attacks. I'm saying that they should refrain from attacking. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that? More flies with honey than vinegar? Maybe if you want people to be on your side for an issue you should stop treating them like an enemy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 02:19
Dang, Ben, you could write some freakin' awesome fanfiction.

Yeah, the problem is that, like Marten, I'm fundamentally lazy. Big plans, big ideas but rarely the discipline to see them through!

Now, onto a different subject. Who'd like a funny story arc of a Mom-bar-crawl? Beatrice, Veronica and Mrs A all run into each other in CoD (all there for their own reasons) and find a weird kind of kinship from the fact their children are all wrapped up in each other's lives. They go to a bar to discuss abnormal child development/family dynamics and end up getting trashed and trashing a few bars.

Cut to next morning and Marten, Hannelore and Claire are bailing them out. They look pretty worse for the wear; Mrs A has a piercing that she doesn't remember having before and Beatrice is sure that she didn't have a "My Daughter is a Metal Goddess" tattoo on the small of her back before. Jimbo is in the next-door lock-up and tells Marten that he thinks he is in love.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: T on 08 Oct 2014, 02:21


Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?

the articles cite their sources. Is there a reason you insist on seeing males and females as different rather than as people who are treated differently based on physical differences? Why do you wish to justify the stupid social expectations that put dolls in the hands of girls and blocks into the hands of boys instead of giving both to both?
There is no scientific source, only a book and people can write anything they want on their books.

Also I oppose to this because people are what they are and try to change this is no good. Sometimes a girl is born with a more masculine brain and a boy is born with a more feminine brain and many parents try their best to change it.

I know a brother and sister that was like this. Since they were very small the girl played and interested in more masculine activities and toys while the boy was the other way around to the dismay of their parents. They tried their best to make the girl girly and the boy macho but no matter how much nurture was offered she continued ignoring dolls and instead playing with cars and swords while the boy continued being delicate and social.

I don't know about sexual preference, they still haven't demonstrated nothing on these lines and brain type doesn't necessarily match with sexual preferences.

Some things are part of what you are and no amount of nurturing can change that. You don't make a gay guy start liking women by educating him to like women, or a lesbian become straight.

Why are you defining activities as masculine and feminine? Sure people for whatever reason can be inclined to interests. That doesn't make those interests male or female that doesn't make a brain male or female. If someone likes playing with dolls (I did and even now sometimes do, don't you judge me!) that doesn't mean the doll part of the brain is female any more than someone who likes swords (I did and do, again don't you judge me) has some male part of the brain. It is just a brain and you are trying to impose gender onto it. Why are you doing this?

And none of that means they haven't been, won't be, and can't be influenced by social pressure to take on or reject other activities. And your reaction is to sit here and impose gender on the behaviors they do show? Why why why why are you doing this? If someone doesn't fit into the pink or blue box their brain must be different? That's insulting not only to them not only to anyone who doesn't conform to every single cultural exception but to anyone who does conform to a society other than your own. ideas of what is properly masculine and feminine aren't universal you know? Your explanations would lead men in Saudi Arabia to assume American women must naturally have more masculine brains than Saudi women.  Do you want to claim that's the case?

Wouldn't it be better to say rejecting dolls is nothing more than a case of individual preference rather than masculine behavior
It is very simple. Some traits are more common in a certain group than others, this doesn't means that this trait is exclusive to this group, just that it is more common. Now why does this trait is more common? Many studies have shown that trait A is linked to factor B.

Gender differences in behavior is a common occurence in many animals, not just humans. Female lab rats exposed to masculine hormones during certain stages of intrauterine development demonstrated more masculine beheavior patterns during adulthood including the way they respond to stress. Humans are not special beings unaffected by nature's laws.

You clearly demonstrate a lack of scientific education. Nothing wrong with that. People outside the scientific field are not obligued to. But it would be nice if people learned the basics before they accept anything they read on the internet.

I defend that the same way that there are different hair colors and shapes there are people with different affinities and tastes and variety makes the world beautiful. Each person is unique from before birth and not a simple white canvas waiting to be painting by nurturing
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 02:22
You know, I had this whole big post typed up. It was nice and scientific, too. Then I realized what's at the root of the argument between valkygrrl and T. This makes it way easier to cut through the nonsense.

*ahem*

Gender roles are not gender.

valkygrrl is arguing about gender roles.
T is arguing about gender. (while accidentally citing examples with gender roles, confusing things)

Example: Person A is a female, but hates the accoutrement that society likes to baggage her with: dresses, pink, notions of who should do what, and all that. The accoutrement would be the work of gender roles, and this is not intrinsic. The fact that Person A is female would be gender itself, and it's this which is wired.

We can all whack ourselves with the palms of our hands, realizing how we've been talking past each other now. (Myself included, given how long the post I deleted in favor of this was.)

Minor quibble. Male and female are sexes. Man and woman are genders as they're defined by social role and exceptions as evidenced in this very thread where people suggest Marten is finally or should finally 'be a man' or man up or other phraseology that suggests that he should fit better into a role they expect. There's no question about his being male, there is argument about whether he's being a man.

But aside from that minor bit of terminology and the belief that T _is_ arguing gender _roles_ are innate to the brains of males and females.... Yeah.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 02:25
Dang, Ben, you could write some freakin' awesome fanfiction.

Yeah, the problem is that, like Marten, I'm fundamentally lazy. Big plans, big ideas but rarely the discipline to see them through!
Aww darn.  I would love to read it.

Would Hannermom be in league with Dr. Heteronormative?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 08 Oct 2014, 02:29
We are getting an alarming number of newbies who just don't get it.
To be fair, it is something anyone is unlikely to get without spending some serious thought and/or research on the matter. Asking questions sure is annoying if it happens every other page, but I wouldn't generally fault the newbies for it.

That's why I feel it is important to shed some light on what Marten is really thinking and feeling.
Hasn't today's comic? He's feeling that whatever happens, he's willing to work through it. Isn't that good enough for an answer?

Seriously, though, I can see something very dark coming out about Hannelore's origins. The plan has long since been cancelled but I suspect that Hannelore's mental issues and her very unusual childhood might all stem from a very unusual origin story.
Or maybe just from a mental problem worsened by growing up in a disfunctional family. Have you seen her mother?
There's no need for a cloning accident to explain the problems hannelore has.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 02:33
 
Or maybe just from a mental problem worsened by growing up in a disfunctional family. Have you seen her mother?
There's no need for a cloning accident to explain the problems hannelore has.
Certainly--but an evil cloning plot is far more entertaining.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 02:37


Do you have any scientific source? Like published papers instead of stuff from random websites?

the articles cite their sources. Is there a reason you insist on seeing males and females as different rather than as people who are treated differently based on physical differences? Why do you wish to justify the stupid social expectations that put dolls in the hands of girls and blocks into the hands of boys instead of giving both to both?
There is no scientific source, only a book and people can write anything they want on their books.

Also I oppose to this because people are what they are and try to change this is no good. Sometimes a girl is born with a more masculine brain and a boy is born with a more feminine brain and many parents try their best to change it.

I know a brother and sister that was like this. Since they were very small the girl played and interested in more masculine activities and toys while the boy was the other way around to the dismay of their parents. They tried their best to make the girl girly and the boy macho but no matter how much nurture was offered she continued ignoring dolls and instead playing with cars and swords while the boy continued being delicate and social.

I don't know about sexual preference, they still haven't demonstrated nothing on these lines and brain type doesn't necessarily match with sexual preferences.

Some things are part of what you are and no amount of nurturing can change that. You don't make a gay guy start liking women by educating him to like women, or a lesbian become straight.

Why are you defining activities as masculine and feminine? Sure people for whatever reason can be inclined to interests. That doesn't make those interests male or female that doesn't make a brain male or female. If someone likes playing with dolls (I did and even now sometimes do, don't you judge me!) that doesn't mean the doll part of the brain is female any more than someone who likes swords (I did and do, again don't you judge me) has some male part of the brain. It is just a brain and you are trying to impose gender onto it. Why are you doing this?

And none of that means they haven't been, won't be, and can't be influenced by social pressure to take on or reject other activities. And your reaction is to sit here and impose gender on the behaviors they do show? Why why why why are you doing this? If someone doesn't fit into the pink or blue box their brain must be different? That's insulting not only to them not only to anyone who doesn't conform to every single cultural exception but to anyone who does conform to a society other than your own. ideas of what is properly masculine and feminine aren't universal you know? Your explanations would lead men in Saudi Arabia to assume American women must naturally have more masculine brains than Saudi women.  Do you want to claim that's the case?

Wouldn't it be better to say rejecting dolls is nothing more than a case of individual preference rather than masculine behavior
It is very simple. Some traits are more common in a certain group than others, this doesn't means that this trait is exclusive to this group, just that it is more common. Now why does this trait is more common? Many studies have shown that trait A is linked to factor B.

Gender differences in behavior is a common occurence in many animals, not just humans. Female lab rats exposed to masculine hormones during certain stages of intrauterine development demonstrated more masculine beheavior patterns during adulthood including the way they respond to stress. Humans are not special beings unaffected by nature's laws.

You clearly demonstrate a lack of scientific education. Nothing wrong with that. People outside the scientific field are not obligued to. But it would be nice if people learned the basics before they accept anything they read on the internet.

I defend that the same way that there are different hair colors and shapes there are people with different affinities and tastes and variety makes the world beautiful. Each person is unique from before birth and not a simple white canvas waiting to be painting by nurturing

Hormones in rats have what to do with the behavior of pre-pubescent children? In one breath you claim behavior is innate and in the next that its hormonal and I'm the one who doesn't know science? Is that because I have girl brain or because estrogen induced a love of strawberry shortcake dolls kept me away from the science books with all those big words?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 02:37
Seriously, though, I can see something very dark coming out about Hannelore's origins. The plan has long since been cancelled but I suspect that Hannelore's mental issues and her very unusual childhood might all stem from a very unusual origin story.
Or maybe just from a mental problem worsened by growing up in a disfunctional family. Have you seen her mother?
There's no need for a cloning accident to explain the problems hannelore has.

Not a cloning accident. More an equipment handling and maintenance accident.

Have you seen Hannelore's 'play room' on the station, by the way? Those issues were at the upper extreme end.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElsaStegosaurus on 08 Oct 2014, 02:46
How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.

Keep in mind that transpersons (transpeople?) have to face attacks on their gender identities ALL THE TIME, and should not have to do so when discussing a webcomic. So a bit of extra sensitivity from the rest of us really isn't much to ask, is it?

Thank you.  This thread has become simply exhausting to read.  We are not obligated to educate.  Sometimes we just want to exist without being reminded CONSTANTLY about all the shit and doubt about our identities that gets thrown our way.

EDIT: I use "trans people".  Sometimes I accidentally type it as trains people to hilarious confusion.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 02:47
I missed the suggesion of the "mom bar crawl" on the first pass. That would be fun.

Ever since Claire's mom came on the scene, I've been wanting a meeting between her and Veronica.  I imagine they'd hit it off in a hilarious fashion.

Now, Beatrice might not hit it off so well with either of them.  And there could be an awesome clash of wills.

Really strong-willed moms seem to be a pattern so far in QC.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 08 Oct 2014, 02:51
Not gonna lie, I am really horrified by the amount of people who seem to have joined up with the sole purpose of asking about Claire's hypothetical genitals.

And for those of you saying that 'we are just curious' or 'we just wanna learn more', you gave up the right to that innocence when you became defensive and aggressive in your tone. Whilst Claire may be fictional, she represents the Trans community in this comic, and so to act entitled and annoyed when the private matter of someone's junk is not divulged to you is when this whole thing becomes transphobic.

I don't pretend to know what it is like to be trans on a day by day basis. I'm trying to imagine anything in my life even remotely comparable. So, even though I know it is not even nearly the same, I'm thinking of what it's like to be as girl in a nightclub with massive boobs. People grope them without permission, stare at them the whole time and ask what size they are. And once you have been reduced to the sum of your parts like that, all you feel like is a demoralised, dehumanised piece of meat.

Now imagine someone is doing that to you, but they are focusing on a part of you that is not necessarily (sorry, I'm trying to avoid the 'does she/doesn't she' debate here) in line with the way you identify yourself. And they do that constantly, always asking, always 'just curious' or 'just trying to learn more'.

You are not entitled to know what is anyone's pants, fictional or otherwise. So, please, just stop.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 02:52
That's a nice sentiment that I agree with, but doesn't really address what I was talking about. I'm not saying the trans community and their supporters should suck it up and bear attacks. I'm saying that they should refrain from attacking. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that? More flies with honey than vinegar? Maybe if you want people to be on your side for an issue you should stop treating them like an enemy.
There's the Trans* thread for discussion, and a lot of sometimes heartbreaking reading.  When it comes to Claire, this equine has been beaten into the ground so hard that there's nothing for Nietzsche to run up and try to protect.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElsaStegosaurus on 08 Oct 2014, 02:54
How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.

Keep in mind that transpersons (transpeople?) have to face attacks on their gender identities ALL THE TIME, and should not have to do so when discussing a webcomic. So a bit of extra sensitivity from the rest of us really isn't much to ask, is it?

That's a nice sentiment that I agree with, but doesn't really address what I was talking about. I'm not saying the trans community and their supporters should suck it up and bear attacks. I'm saying that they should refrain from attacking. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that? More flies with honey than vinegar? Maybe if you want people to be on your side for an issue you should stop treating them like an enemy.

Guh.  I've seen this argument more times than I can count: telling non-privileged groups to smile and be nice and surely more people will be more willing to listen to them.  You look at history and see that this simply is not true, minority groups have to scrape and fight and claw for every inch that they gain.  Telling us to smile and talk softly is a form of control.  "Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

Warning - while you were typing 3-billion jillion new replies have been posted. You may wish to reconsider your life.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: stuffandthings on 08 Oct 2014, 02:58
I'm really sorry for being ignorant, but what does it mean that Claire is trans?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 02:59
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Platypodes on 08 Oct 2014, 03:00
Yeesh.  I'm gonna turn off my computer, go look at the lunar eclipse, and leave this thread alone till it gets fun again.   *waves*
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Vincent Adultman on 08 Oct 2014, 03:01
"Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

Great, good thing that wasn't at all what I was trying to say. But I see how this shit always goes. Try to extend the olive branch and get thorns thrown back at you. Point out that you're just trying to help/understand and get MORE hate. Fuck it. I'll just go back to not caring on way or the other. Nothing I say can be right, so I'm just going to stop saying things. Enjoy your little victory, brave crusaders. You've driven away another infidel today...

(moderator comment. Tone policing applies to everyone.  :police: This post is not how we want to do things here.)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: badpun on 08 Oct 2014, 03:10
I've been reading the forum for the last week then it occurred to me I probably set up an account back when I first started reading the comic in like 2010 and voila here it is  :laugh:

Really happy that the Marten/Claire ship has left the dock, interested in where it'll go. Seems like starting out by being upfront and  being prepared to talk about problems when they arise. Seems like a solid start to a happy relationship  :-D

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Gnomeybum on 08 Oct 2014, 03:12
"Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

Great, good thing that wasn't at all what I was trying to say. But I see how this shit always goes. Try to extend the olive branch and get thorns thrown back at you. Point out that you're just trying to help/understand and get MORE hate. Fuck it. I'll just go back to not caring on way or the other. Nothing I say can be right, so I'm just going to stop saying things. Enjoy your little victory, brave crusaders. You've driven away another infidel today...

This is called gaslighting, friend, and it is an action used by abusers to make the people they are abusing doubt the validity of their unhappiness or their opposition to the abuser's behaviour.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ElsaStegosaurus on 08 Oct 2014, 03:20
"Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

Great, good thing that wasn't at all what I was trying to say. But I see how this shit always goes. Try to extend the olive branch and get thorns thrown back at you. Point out that you're just trying to help/understand and get MORE hate. Fuck it. I'll just go back to not caring on way or the other. Nothing I say can be right, so I'm just going to stop saying things. Enjoy your little victory, brave crusaders. You've driven away another infidel today...

But... but then, that's exactly what you just did.  Just now.  Threw up your hands and walked away cuz someone dared try to explain why they act a certain way without handling your emotions with kid gloves.  Wow.  Bye.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.

False.  Read the trans thread, do some basic googling.  How to treat Trans people like humans and as something other than their genitalia is not a new question.  Is educating yourself that hard?  :psyduck:

Here, go nuts.  First one is on the house: http://transwhat.org/
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 08 Oct 2014, 03:28


I. Love. This. Post.

We are getting an alarming number of newbies who just don't get it.

How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.

In fairness, I didn't intend to ridicule per se, but my post was perhaps slightly crass.

I have painted myself as somewhat of an asshole here, so I'm going to try and play devil's advocate for a moment.

(http://postmediaprovince.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/devils_advocate_500.jpg)

This thread is long as shit, so I am well past the point of knowing who exactly has said what, I simply chose to highlight a great post.

[Vince McMahon 2001]In the interest of fairness[/Vince McMahon 2001] and in the absence of some of our more enlightened forumites, I'm going to make an attempt to respond to some of the stuff that hasn't been responded to yet, given that I was once pretty ignorant of these issues and it was this forum that largely straightened me out.

That's a nice sentiment that I agree with, but doesn't really address what I was talking about. I'm not saying the trans community and their supporters should suck it up and bear attacks. I'm saying that they should refrain from attacking. Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that? More flies with honey than vinegar? Maybe if you want people to be on your side for an issue you should stop treating them like an enemy.

I agree entirely, and there was recently a pretty major issue regarding someone doing more or less exactly that, who was given a lot of chances and failed to learn their lesson. Without reading through every last damn page of this thread, I'm not sure who in particular you're referring to, but honestly, I think that a lot of this is down to lack of tone reading well on the internet, both of your posts, and of the responses from the regulars.

The regular forumites on here, especially our thriving trans community, will always at least attempt to go the route of educating rather than yelling at, and if any of the posts have come across that way, as a decade-long member of this forum I can say that will absolutely not have been the intention. There is also most likely an issue with the fact that a lot of the people participating in the recent explosion of trans discussion are brand new forumites, and without previous character to go on, the reading of people's tone in a forum post will be even worse than when it's someone who the community already has a feel of.

But aside from that minor bit of terminology and the belief that T _is_ arguing gender _roles_ are innate to the brains of males and females.... Yeah.

Without being ridiculous here, how many of us have the scientific nous beyond anecdotal evidence to say yay or nay on this? I certainly wouldn't have the authority to comment. I don't think T is necessarily saying 'dudes have this brain, chicks have this brain,' I don't think T is necessarily even arguing rock solid causation, so much as correlation.

And for those of you saying that 'we are just curious' or 'we just wanna learn more', you gave up the right to that innocence when you became defensive and aggressive in your tone.

The right to innocence perhaps, but not the right to education. No one is obligated, obviously, but faced with any kind of prejudice, however vehement and however deliberate, I've always sought the educational route because it's generally the most successful one. Not that I'm accusing anyone here of failing at that. But tempers can be heightened and have in this thread on both sides.

Guh.  I've seen this argument more times than I can count: telling non-privileged groups to smile and be nice and surely more people will be more willing to listen to them.  You look at history and see that this simply is not true, minority groups have to scrape and fight and claw for every inch that they gain.  Telling us to smile and talk softly is a form of control.  "Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

I don't entirely agree. I'm not saying that any non-privileged group should just smile and be nice or any shit like that. If some asshole is hassling you in a bar then being nice may very well get you sweet fucking nowhere. And again, no one is OBLIGATED, but I have met trans* individuals before who can be massively alienating to people who want to learn by meeting aggression with aggression. But then this is a massive grey area and I'm not part of this particular non-privileged group.

I'm really sorry for being ignorant, but what does it mean that Claire is trans?

This will take a while to respond to, and I'll do it later if no one else does before me.

Great, good thing that wasn't at all what I was trying to say. But I see how this shit always goes. Try to extend the olive branch and get thorns thrown back at you. Point out that you're just trying to help/understand and get MORE hate. Fuck it. I'll just go back to not caring on way or the other. Nothing I say can be right, so I'm just going to stop saying things. Enjoy your little victory, brave crusaders. You've driven away another infidel today...

This post, on the other hand, is pointless martyring that achieves nothing, and reads pretty strongly like 'well guess I'll just be prejudiced because you have now justified it.' 'This' is not at all how this shit 'always goes.'

Look people, I'm not a mod, but I have been here on this forum for a dog's fucking age, more than the majority of the mods even, and I can say one thing for certain.

This community is a place for open discussion, contributions from either side of any issue, and the acknowledgement of prejudices, conscious or otherwise, that can then be discussed and educated over.

Tempers have flared in this thread, but this thread is a pretty appalling example of what this place is actually about. Above all else, this particular thread is here to discuss the immediate happenings of the comic, not an in-depth discussion of trans rights. Had this discussion been in any of the more suitable places for it, rather than just on a thread series that's typically more about jokes and squeeeeee-ing, maybe it would have gone a little better.

And even if you disregard everything else that has been said in response to you by the trans community on here, folks, the links to the articles posted by ZoeB, who is one of the most insightful and educated people I've ever encountered, are still worth reading. If you take nothing else away from this thread, take that.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 03:42
Gods, I hope that for a week, starting with the next week, we get wacky robot fun or at least just CoD drama just so things settle a bit.

Why am I having flashbacks to much earlier in Sept 1993 than the 7708th?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Forgotten Felix on 08 Oct 2014, 04:15
So, after having found myself lurking the forums during this entire arc, I thought I might as well join. And hoo boy, what a mess this thread became.
So, while I can't set myself in the position of transpeople, and may not understand a lot of it, I realize that other peoples feelings are more important than my own curiosity. Also this is not really the place to discuss this. That being said, I'd like to give my thoughts on a few things:

How am I not supposed to take that as combative? Presented with an opportunity to educate you instead choose to ridicule.
This I don't understand. What exactly is combative or ridiculing? All I see is praise for a well formulated and thought-out post. If anything Gareth is just thinking aloud in that last part.

And this is why I just plain don't go near this particular Sacred Cow with a ten foot pole. It seems next to impossible to educate yourself on the issue without being demonized for not being already educated on the issue. I get that it's a touchy subject, but man am I ever tired of the combative, "more enemies prove my cause is righteous" attitude. Nobody ever taught me about this shit in my sheltered little life, and I'm supportive of whatever increases general happiness in the world. But try to ask a couple unintentionally awkward questions to gain a better understanding and you get labeled all sorts of nasty adjectives and nouns.
Again, what is combative? Who have labelled you? I honestly don't see where this is coming from.
Furthermore, if you know it's a touchy subject, treat it as such. 'Cuz right now you come off as attacking, and when that happpens people counter attack.


To get back to the comic itself, obligatory squee. I am eagerly awaiting what happens next. The talk on today's page sweetens yesterday's kiss even more. Claire is precious and I want her to be happy.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. Including Gareth. Making a part of your post moot.
Well then.
Eh, I'll leave it as is. It was only my interpretation anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: DSL on 08 Oct 2014, 04:25
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?

Yes!  I've had enough of this waffling.
Indeed--it's starting to give me the crepes.

Just waiting for an opportunity to jump in with a French Toast joke. Also, trying to think of a French Toast joke.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 08 Oct 2014, 04:27


Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man? It would paint Marten in a new way because there was no pretext of him swinging that way or is it that Marten has gotten past all of that and is only looking at the person underneath?? Or is it that he thinks he can do that but will  find out that it just doesn't work on that level for him? Or is she biologically a girl.... but doesn't act on her gender....

Welcome, new person!

If you research the matter further, you'll find the term "biologically a man/a woman" fails to properly describe the situation in any case. After all, what are we but biology, no matter our bodies?

So Claire is a woman, because she identifies as a woman.


If you intended it as a question about her genitalia: please don't discuss that. In the manner such discussions tend to go, they very quickly become disrespectful to real people, of which we have a-plenty on this board. Imho not discussing people's genitalia without their consent is basic human decency.

I can't get a fictitious person's consent. My only reason for asking the question is because I want to get into Marten's headspace. Genitalia exist, it's part of being human. Some humans like one set, some the other, and some both. To my knowledge Marten has never expressed any interest in people with male genitalia. It seems out of character to suddenly jump into relationship with a transgender person because we have no previous examples of him expressing interest in the male sex. My inquiry stems from the thought if this is something Marten has considered fully. I can't judge if Marten thinks he is being bold and assertive and fooling himself that he can do this or if he is genuinely attracted to Claire both physically and emotionally. I guess that is yet to be decided but not knowing left me scratching my head. I'm not looking to discuss this any further as I am already ranting a bit but I don't believe in ignoring one aspect of a person because it leaves me lacking understanding of them as a whole especially when it is something they might be uncomfortable with because then I can understand  at least from an external view point what difficulties they may face.

I barked up this tree for two weeks worth of strip posts before being the impetus for the creation of a thread devoted solely to it, which in turn was also locked down.

And while I still understand and see the motivation for your questions, and it doesn't sound like you mean any harm, I sort of came to realize that my line of questioning was a) Not okay and b) Not really as complex as I thought it was. Today's strip seems to be a pretty definitive statement on Marten's position on the matter anyhow.

Also, the phrase Claire's Downstairs, as phrased by a mod eariler, while a verboten topic, is wonderfully fun in its rhymingness.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 04:32
And while I still understand and see the motivation for your questions, and it doesn't sound like you mean any harm, I sort of came to realize that my line of questioning was a) Not okay and b) Not really as complex as I thought it was. Today's strip seems to be a pretty definitive statement on Marten's position on the matter anyhow.

This.

During my term lurking before registering here, it became abundantly clear to me that certain subjects are not permitted to be discussed, not due to any official site policy but just because they are emotive and will derail the thread (as well as create virulent inter-user enmities that can only poison the community). That's why I try to limit my discussion of these matters on this board just to keep the community as a friendly place.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Detachable Felix on 08 Oct 2014, 04:34
Welcome, Forgotten Felix (for clarity's sake we'll have to call you Felix II: Electric Boogaloo), and thank you for wanting to understand it all!


I haven't posted anything on the WCDTs about this, usually because there's been 15 responses every minute and it's getting impossible to keep track of what's going on.

But I'm going to say this. I identify as a (mostly)straight cisgendered male, and right now I am dating someone who is trans. Their genitalia doesn't matter to me. The fact that they're trans doesn't matter to me. They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person (And a fucking awesome one at that.) This is the same as what Marten is feeling right now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: aphanisis81 on 08 Oct 2014, 04:43
And while I still understand and see the motivation for your questions, and it doesn't sound like you mean any harm, I sort of came to realize that my line of questioning was a) Not okay and b) Not really as complex as I thought it was. Today's strip seems to be a pretty definitive statement on Marten's position on the matter anyhow.

This.

During my term lurking before registering here, it became abundantly clear to me that certain subjects are not permitted to be discussed, not due to any official site policy but just because they are emotive and will derail the thread (as well as create virulent inter-user enmities that can only poison the community). That's why I try to limit my discussion of these matters on this board just to keep the community as a friendly place.

I can't tell you how long I've wanted someone to respond to a short, snappy post of mine with "This." It feels good. And it says something about the power of our evolving language that a single-word sentence, a mere pronoun, can be such high praise. Thanks, BenRG :)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 08 Oct 2014, 04:44
They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person

Very, very well said.  This is all that should ever matter.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Zebediah on 08 Oct 2014, 04:48
Cut to next morning and Marten, Hannelore and Claire are bailing them out. They look pretty worse for the wear; Mrs A has a piercing that she doesn't remember having before and Beatrice is sure that she didn't have a "My Daughter is a Metal Goddess" tattoo on the small of her back before. Jimbo is in the next-door lock-up and tells Marten that he thinks he is in love.

With all three of them.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 08 Oct 2014, 04:52
Gods, I hope that for a week, starting with the next week, we get wacky robot fun or at least just CoD drama just so things settle a bit.

Why am I having flashbacks to much earlier in Sept 1993 than the 7708th?

Now that you've said that, next week will be Angus Returns. :|
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Technetium on 08 Oct 2014, 04:53
But I'm going to say this. I identify as a (mostly)straight cisgendered male, and right now I am dating someone who is trans. Their genitalia doesn't matter to me. The fact that they're trans doesn't matter to me. They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person (And a fucking awesome one at that.) This is the same as what Marten is feeling right now.
We don't actually know that. We know what Marten has told Claire, but we know almost nothing about his personal reasoning. As someone has said before, it's possible that Marten really likes Claire's personality and has tried to convince himself that he is above caring about what's below, when it might actually end up being something he won't be able to get past. I see most of the questioning about Claire's junk as having less to do with Claire than it has to do with understanding Marten's motivations. I can understand how discussing her junk is offensive to the trans community, but discussing a character's motivations shouldn't be off-limits, and I don't really see how we can discuss Marten's motivations without discussing how he feels about the dreaded subject. It's not a question about what Claire has, but about what Marten feels about what Claire has.

That said, I don't really care about this discussion much and actually want to talk about another elephant in the room. I don't think it's been definitively stated anywhere in the comic, but uh... how old is Claire and how old is Marten? I've always interpreted Claire as being an actual intern at a college. I had previously assumed she was around 19 or so, and seeing that she's living with her mom and her mom is making her breakfast (and usually does so apparently) seems to reinforce that. Marten, on the other hand, I've always seen as being closing in on 30. I don't get the impression that being in school is a recent memory for him. Obviously the relationship is not illegal, and I'm not even suggesting it's always morally wrong for two people with that kind of age difference to have a relationship, but if you look at the last comic with the pretense that the age difference exists (if it does), it does look a little bit more creepy, kind of like the older guy coaxing the younger girl into being okay with the relationship. Claire also strikes me as the sort of person who is "young for her age". She has about as much experience with relationships as most girls just entering high school (maybe less, even).
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 04:56
Claire is canonically 24.  She could just be living at home to save money, since graduate studies can be rather expensive.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Oct 2014, 04:57
Okay, it's kind of killing me. Is Claire biologically a man?
Well, if you check her DNA, yes. She also had an operation to transform her penis into a vagina, she cant have babies, and she had to take hormones to make, for example, her breasts grow. In reality also her voice would be male-ish, and the chance that she's a lesbian would be very high (basically reverse chances than for ordinary people).

Ok, time for some remedial Trans 101 stuff, just to make the mods' lives easier if nothing else. There's a couple of things not quite correct here.

Q:"Is Claire biologically a man"?

Answer the first: Er - do you need glasses? Obviously she isn't.
Answer the second: She identifies as a woman. As do I. So no.
Answer the third: No, and she never has been, not since before birth, and I mean that in a strictly anatomical sense.

See for example:
A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.
    Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.

We've known that trans women aren't "biologically male" for nearly two freaking decades. Yet somehow the word hasn't gotten out, and questions like "is she biologically a man" keep on being asked in all sincerity, despite the evidence of people's own eyes even if they don't know the science.


If you "check her DNA" - assuming she hasn't had a bone marrow transplant - then she's likely as female as this mother and her daughter:

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Jan;93(1):182-9
    A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis.

Of course she may have 46,XX chromosomes, just as it's likely Marigold, Hanners, Tai etc do. Likely, but not certain. Or 47,XXY, or a mix of 45,X and 46,XY (which can cause a natural sex change) or... let's just say that chromosomes aren't an infallible guide.

If she has had a bone marrow transplant, then the majority of her body is composed of cells genetically identical to the donor by now. So anything goes.


She also had an operation to transform her penis into a vagina - Er.. how do you know? She may well have. But she might not. You might find this difficult to believe, but a lot of people get pretty anxious at the thought of major or even minor surgery on their genitalia. Really they do.

A lot of Intersex people in particular are quite happy with what they have, even if that matches neither a male nor female pattern very well. I was a lot happier having genital reconstruction to a female norm, but not all other Intersex people are like me. Same with Trans people. Some can't stand having genitalia they feel is just plain wrong (as I did), while others don't feel any such wrongness at all. To explain why, I'd have to talk about the feminisation or lack thereof of the Superior Parietal Lobule (SPL), and consequent effect on the body map, but I'll spare you the lecture on neuro-physiology.

Let's just say that the exact configuration of anyone's genitalia - Marten's, Tai's, Sven's, Marigold's, Claire's, Veronica's, is an intensely personal and private matter. One really distressing for some people to talk about. So please heed the mods and let the subject drop on this public forum. PM me if you want medical data.


she cant have babies - almost certainly correct (for now). I know of very few exceptions - women labelled "trans" who were actually Intersex. This will likely change before she reaches her Mom's age.


she had to take hormones to make, for example, her breasts grow. While that's a pretty safe assumption, as we know she's on HRT (hormone replacement therapy), it's not certain either. I'm on HRT, rather more of it than Trans women (even though I transitioned like Claire did), but the breast growth pre-dated that. Just as it does for most women hitting puberty. Mine just came 30 years late.


In reality also her voice would be male-ish - given the timing of when she started HRT, not necessarily. But she likely sounds more like Lauren Bachall than Cyndi Loper. Or maybe not. I went to a speech therapist during transition, after 46 years of presenting as male, and she could do nothing for me. My voice is just outside the "ambiguous" range, into the lower female band. I forgot a 30 year habit of lowering my voice you see, I couldn't do it even though I tried. Probably a psychological block.


the chance that she's a lesbian would be very high - for early transitioners like her, no, about the same for most women her age, but for late ones like me, yes. Especially since I have CAH - women with that Intersex condition do indeed have the probabilities reversed. Except I'm straight. So's Claire. Statistics are just that - statistics. You have to treat individuals as individuals.

I'd still give you a passing grade on this. You may have the details wrong, but you at least have a grasp of the issues. That puts you in the top 20%. The bar's just set very low.

I apologise if I come off all pedagogical and arrogant here. It's just that in US parlance, I *am* a college professor, and do remedial teaching to 3rd year medical and psych students in this area, even though I usually teach safety-critical engineering as a regular gig.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 08 Oct 2014, 04:58
I think she said she was 24 in one of the earlier strips, so its not creepy in that way at all.  Of course, you may have just insulted everyone with a partner who is significantly older or younger than they are.  I've been in that ship (in both directions) a few times in my life ;-)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 05:00
Cut to next morning and Marten, Hannelore and Claire are bailing them out. They look pretty worse for the wear; Mrs A has a piercing that she doesn't remember having before and Beatrice is sure that she didn't have a "My Daughter is a Metal Goddess" tattoo on the small of her back before. Jimbo is in the next-door lock-up and tells Marten that he thinks he is in love.

With all three of them.

Precisely. I've suddenly got a mental image of Beatrice looking at Jimbo speculatively and mentions that she's looking for a new gardener. Hannelore shouts: "Mother! No!" and drags her off.

Six months later, Jimbo's new book is a lesbian erotica work called "The Three Vixens" and the characters are disturbingly similar to Veronica, Beatrice and Mrs A (who I'm starting to think of as 'Clarice' for some reason).

I think she said she was 24 in one of the earlier strips, so its not creepy in that way at all.  Of course, you may have just insulted everyone with a partner who is significantly older or younger than they are.  I've been in that ship (in both directions) a few times in my life ;-)

On the subject, do we have a canon age for Marten? My head-canon has always been something about this:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 08 Oct 2014, 05:04
Precisely. I've suddenly got a mental image of Beatrice looking at Jimbo speculatively and mentions that she's looking for a new gardener. Hannelore shouts: "Mother! No!" and drags her off.

Six months later, Jimbo's new book is a lesbian erotica work called "The Three Vixens" and the characters are disturbingly similar to Veronica, Beatrice and Mrs A (who I'm starting to think of as 'Clarice' for some reason).

I, for one, am going to be damned bloody disappointed if this doesn't happen  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Omio on 08 Oct 2014, 05:06
...I'm sorry, guys, but the thread's getting too long for me to read.

I think it's more-or-less official that the Martenclaire ship has taken off. Now to see where its first destination is. :3
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TomOBedlam on 08 Oct 2014, 05:12
I can understand how discussing her junk is offensive to the trans community, but discussing a character's motivations shouldn't be off-limits, and I don't really see how we can discuss Marten's motivations without discussing how he feels about the dreaded subject.

There is always the option of not discussing it and just waiting to see how their relationship evolves over weeks/months/years - and this option won't cause distress to anyone on this forum. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 05:19
Here's a funny use for the age difference possibility. It could fit into a single strip, I think. Gabby and Emily pull Claire's leg about 'dating an older man'. Claire snarks back that maybe they're jealous. Tai interjects that they should be - dating an older person means that you enjoy their greater experience (and her smirk makes it very clear what kind of 'experience' she means - Claire blushes as red as you can get). Gabby waves it off, saying that they were just kidding around. Then she and Emily walk off. Gabby's thinking: "Lucky bitch!" and Emily is thinking: "Kitty-cat GIFs!"
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: No_Dragons_Here on 08 Oct 2014, 05:29
This forum has gone into really weird places since I left last night.

I will say that while I don't really like the Marten-Claire dynamic, I don't need to, because life works like that.  I do have to give props to Marten for his role in all this.

It's a weird feeling.  I think the reason that I don't care for these last few Marten-Claire comics is that I don't feel the chemisartry.  The comics themselves are paced and set up according to the "dramatic moment" or "romantic get together" sort of timing.  Being as I don't really feel invested in their relationship already, it doens't really induce me to being so, and thus it feels kind of weird to read and I don't feel any "Squee" moments.

On the other hand, I really appreciate where Marten is coming from here. I discovered recently that a girl whom I have been steadily approaching the "guy-friend and lady-friend" status with has some medical issues that could completely derail what I thought my life's plan was going to be if we get together and stay together.  As I was discovering this, I came to the realization that I couldn't worry about it and could only take the relationship one step at a time, because I think I love her (and I think she thinks that she loves me too).

I think Marten's in a similar boat.  He knows Claire's secret.  It's likely not something he ever really considered to be part of his future, dating somebody with her circumstances.  Heck, a lot of guys would stay really far away if they knew that particular secret.  On the other hand, he knows he likes her, and that she likes him.  They can work the details out step by step.

Love doesn't need to be complicated.  That's what I appreciate here. 

*I'm calling it "Claire's Secret" because of an old "Victoria's Secret" joke I remember from elementary school, which is a very crude and insensitive joke that I'm not going to repeat here.
 
**Actually, that's a lie I told because I remembered the joke.  I'm calling it "Claire's Secret" because I'm sick of all of the crazy interweb drama regarding terminology.  Marten has already explained his stance on it, which is a stance I'm familiar with, which generally amounts to "cross that bridge when we get there" if I understand correctly.  ((ie: we don't need to discuss Claire's Pants in order to discuss Martin's motivations.  He's already explained them.))
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 08 Oct 2014, 05:31
I brought her my old B&W TV, which I never watched anyway.  I visited daily to make sure she was alright.  A few days later, I brought over some laundry - she had a washer/dryer, and I really didn't want to go to the laundromat. 

She made me spaghetti. 

My laundry basket never made it back to my house.  It just... felt right.  It was sudden, and surprising to both of us.  I let my lease go, and moved in. 

Two years later, we were married.  That was in 1986.  We've had issues, and ups and downs.  But we're still best friends.
Squee!
Pancakes...spaghetti... same diff.

(My AoA is from AS XVII BTW...)


Dang... I only started in AS XXVI.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: pwhodges on 08 Oct 2014, 05:34
Awesome

Thank you, ZoeB, for taking the time.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Oct 2014, 05:52
Boy brain or girl brain is bullshit. And the science agrees.
Actually science disagrees with you. Popsci is not a valid scientific source.

There are male and female patterns meaning that there are patterns found more often in a gender than the other. The development of body parts is influenced by chemical signals like hormones since inside uterus and the brain is a body part.

There are studies based on girls who have been exposed to androgens before birth (due to some hormonal disfunction) and they are more likely to have male-typical interests.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/pdffiles/cah_berenbaum01.pdf

Don't forget that humans are animals and that the brain is a body part like any other.

Your reply suggests belief in such a thing as male-centric interests rather than the patriarchy suggesting which interests are acceptable based on biology.  What that study so condescendingly calls male-typical play is actively suppressed in the female half of the population. Boys will be boys vs don't you want to be a good girl? You're ignoring how early and strongly cultural training starts and how deeply its ingrained not to mention how changeable it has been over the years.

I think as a reference you should use Cordelia Fine's excellent sceptical work on the subject. It shows just how much observer bias has historically existed regarding the sexual dimorphism of the brain, and the consequences therefrom.

The two extreme positions are:

* The Biologically Deterministic one. This observes (and historically manufactures from very little evidence) that the brain is sexually dimorphic, and then uses that to argue that females are inferior because biology, that all gendered behaviour is hard-wired, and in general a whole load of other paternalistic arrogant misogynist and nauseating pseudo-scientific drivel.

*The Social Constructionist one. This observes the awful, oppressive effects of the first, then reasons that the brain cannot be sexually dimorphic because that supports gender fascism and the dehumanisation of women, so ignores any evidence for it no matter how sound, and attacks anyone observing it, deeming them to be cruel oppressors trying to fool the public into going along with their nauseating and male chauvinist policies.

Of the two, the Social Constructionist one, despite its PoMo anti-scientific basis, is actually closer to reality than the first. 80% right. The second is 20% right. Both are significantly wrong, distorting any truth so it becomes useless.

Examples:

    Boys and girls behave in different ways and one of the stereotypical behavioral differences between them, that has often been said to be forced upon them by upbringing and social environment, is their behavior in play. Boys prefer to play with cars and balls, whereas girls prefer dolls. This sex difference in toy preference is present very early in life (3–8 months of age) [1]. The idea that it is not society that forces these choices upon children but a sex difference in the early development of their brains and behavior is also supported by monkey behavioral studies. Alexander and Hines [2], who offered dolls, toy cars and balls to green Vervet monkeys found the female monkeys consistently chose the dolls and examined these ano-genitally, whereas the male monkeys were more interested in playing with the toy cars and with the ball....


“Prenatal hormones versus postnatal socialization by parents as determinants of male-typical toy play in girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia”
Pasterski VL, Geffner ME, Brain C, Hindmarsh P, Brook C, Hines M Child Dev 76(1):264-78 2005
    Data show that increased male-typical toy play by girls with CAH cannot be explained by parental encouragement of male-typical toy play. Although parents encourage sex-appropriate behavior, their encouragement appears to be insufficient to override the interest of girls with CAH in cross-sexed toys.

I don't know about you, but the phrase "sex-appropriate behavior" sets my teeth on edge. It reminds me of the days when I was a child, when girls were supposed to be secretaries, not secretaries of state, beauticians not bankers, and all the rest of that infuriating Patriarchal BS.

However.... biology plays a role. Instincts exist.

If I can quote myself: http://aebrain.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/how-many-sexes.html

Let's start with the idea that there are male and female brains. They differ anatomically, and these differences correspond to different stereotyped behaviours, regardless of upbringing. This is most obvious in girls who have CAH, masculinised brains, and a male preference in play patterns, even though they have a normal female upbringing.

Now that we've established that idea, that it's objectively observable.. we have to tear it down. It's just the first step in Wittgenstein's ladder.

The brain is a complex structure, not a simple one. Any particular individual can have a more masculine anatomy in one area, a more feminine anatomy in others. The sexually dimorphic features have considerable overlap. Within any one area, few are unambiguously male or unambiguously female. The difference is statistical. Moreover, in the higher brain, hormonal balance plays a role in changing the brain's physical anatomy. Treat a male with female hormones, some of his brain structures will feminise. The brain is plastic in many areas, experiences and social environment causes physical changes, and much of what we call "gendered behaviour" is as the result of arbitrary socially constructed factors.

OK, understood that? Now discard it, it's the second step on the ladder.

The brain is not homogenous; different parts have different effects, and while some parts are plastic, others are not. While much "gendered behaviour" is a social construct, some is not, and is remarkably resistant to change. This is most obvious in Transsexual people, whose neuro-anatomy is female in some areas, male in others, and corresponds to neither in yet others. When the Lymbic nucleus is feminised, typically feminine emotional patterns are found, and these lead to a feminine gender identity. When the Superior Parietal Lobule (SPL) is feminised as well - as it often is - the "body map" is for female primary and secondary sex characteristics - breasts, vagina etc - and any mismatch with reality causes immense distress.

This also explains such observed phenomena as "phantom limb syndrome", and the widely variable emotional response to hysterectomy or mastectomy. Also too the variable response to any natural masculinisation of a female-at-birth body due to 5ARD or 17BHSD syndromes, which can cause a superficial "natural sex change".

What this means is that a binary model of sex and gender is merely a rough approximation. A better one is a trinary one, with male, female, and bigendered (approximately 1/3 in each category). But that still doesn't capture the multi-variance and fuzziness of the situation adequately. A small percentage won't fit either model, or indeed, any such gross over-simplification.

References (to substantiate my assertions):

Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation. Swaab Gynecol Endocrinol (2004) 19:301–312.

White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study. - Rametti et al, J Psychiatr Res. 2010 Jun 8.

Prenatal hormones versus postnatal socialization by parents as determinants of male-typical toy play in girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia” Pasterski VL, Geffner ME, Brain C, Hindmarsh P, Brook C, Hines M Child Dev 76(1):264-78 2005

Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure by Pol et al, Europ Jnl Endocrinology, Vol 155, suppl_1, S107-S114 2006

Biased-Interaction Theory of Psychosexual Development: “How Does One Know if One is Male or Female?” M.Diamond Sex Roles (2006) 55:589–600

Gender change in 46,XY persons with 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency and 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency. Cohen-Kettenis PT. Arch Sex Behav. 2005 Aug;34(4):399-410.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Fig on 08 Oct 2014, 05:56
That post (and the first one) should be like put in a seperate topic and  stickied or something.  Simple, straight-up education is awesome and losing it in the inevitable change in the WCDT would suck.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thrillho on 08 Oct 2014, 06:00
I wouldn't be surprised if all of that information was already in the trans thread.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: mystere9 on 08 Oct 2014, 06:00
It's actually really easy to understand. Think about someone you're attracted to. It doesn't have to be your One True Love or anything like that. What goes through your mind? Their laugh? Their smile? Perhaps they have a personality quirk you find endearing. A couple of times you fall asleep in each others arms; you feel warm, content and happy.

The universe then smiles on you and the two of you start dating. Life couldn't be better. One night the two of you decide to make love for the first time - but there's a problem. Your genitals are too big/too small for your partner and making love is not as straightforward as it normally is. Your partner is upset and afraid. Are you suddenly going to say to them "Your stuff isn't what I usually want in a partner - it's over between us." Are you suddenly and magically going to turn those feelings of warmth and attraction off? Or do you find a way to make things work?
Man, this really puts things in perspective. I should probably break up with my girlfriend now.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Oct 2014, 06:01
I'm really sorry for being ignorant, but what does it mean that Claire is trans?

There's a number of different answers to that, some of astounding complexity.
If you don't mind, I'll give you the simplest one I know of that still captures the essentials.

Claire was born looking more like a boy than a girl. This made her very uncomfortable as she grew up, so she had it corrected.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Angelus_Primus on 08 Oct 2014, 06:07
I think veggie burgers are a gray area. They approximate the experience of eating a (ham)burger, but really, why should beef have a monopoly on a patty between two pieces of bread? I have a dynamite lentil-mushroom burger I got from vegan/ultrarunner Scott Jurek, if you're interested.

Because words have meaning, and people thinking they can just use a word any way they want to refer to things they are not are going to be the downfall of civilization.  Burger is short for hamburger, a hamburger is a patty of ground beef on a sandwich.

Mind you, your lentil-mushroom sandwich sounds pretty tasty, but it is not in any way a burger. 

Warning - while you were reading 12 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Seriously?  In the time it takes me to rant about words?

If burger meant hamburger by default, it wouldn't require the prefix. Unless you're a hardcore prescriptivist, I don't see any way around the argument that burger, in modern common usage, denotes malleable foodstuffs molded into a patty that is then cooked.


 Ham is not a prefix. Hamburger isn't a combination of ham (pork product) and burger (ground patty) it comes from a Hamburger steak. As in Steak done Hamburg stile. The name comes from a German city of Hamburg. Traditional Hamburg steaks are hammered beef patties, but when price of beef went really high, German-Jewish immigrants in New York started making their traditional meal with ground beef which was cheaper.
 Cheeseburger is shortened form of cheese hamburger. Its not prefix cheese replacing prefix ham, its portmanteau.
 
 That said, burger did become a word in itself in past years. It simply means a type of a sandwich which has a patty (and not, for example lunchmeats) between the bread. So calling a vegetarian version veggieburger is fine. Calling it a veggie hamburger, that's wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: snubnose on 08 Oct 2014, 06:12
Grr now I'm hungry and its all your fault !  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 06:14
I've been thinking about ways in which Marten and Claire counterbalance each other.  Claire is passionate and goal-oriented but hasn't lived independently or dated; Marten has plenty of adult life experience but is still drifting along without knowing what he wants to be when he grows up.  Claire is high-strung, socially awkward, and has panic attacks, but she's brave about taking initiative and facing change; Marten is passive, a bit of a chicken, and hates change, but he's comfortable around people and is generally very even-tempered and laid back.

Put all this together, and you might have a relationship in which neither person is the dominant one.  That could be a good learning experience for both of them.  It'd be a comfortable space for Claire to grow into dating: if she fell for someone more Type A, she might just get swept along and not learn as much about herself and her needs and desires, but if she had a relationship in which she wound up leading too much, she might be torn apart by anxieties.  For Marten, well, he's been a bit overshadowed and sometimes dominated by the women in his life, and he might develop more of his manhood if he spends time with someone who, while not a doormat, isn't three times as assertive as he is.

I like your analysis of the situation. Nice job.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Angelus_Primus on 08 Oct 2014, 06:23
Grr now I'm hungry and its all your fault !  :-D
Come over, I have some flank steaks I could hammer and throw on a grill. We can have original German hamburger steaks :D
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Oct 2014, 06:37
It seems out of character to suddenly jump into relationship with a transgender person because we have no previous examples of him expressing interest in the male sex.

Head, meet desk.

OK, now we have a very fundamental failure of understanding here. Instead of my usual gasbagging about neuroanatomy, genetics, scientifoc papers etc, at the risk of being seen as "talking down" to you - not my intent - perhaps this very basic misunderstanding can be corrected first, by reaching out not to your intellect, but to your emotions. The intellectual stuff comes later, it obviously isn't overcoming the emotional barrier.

So....

Here is a Trans Man. He was born looking superficially female, but got that fixed.

(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/FtM/BenBarres2s.jpg)

Here is a Trans Woman. She was born looking superficially male, but had that fixed.

(http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/Cindy%20Thai%20Tai/Cindy%201s.jpg)

You are correct when you say that Marten has no previous examples of expressing an interest in the male sex - such as the Trans man.

But Claire is not a Trans Man. She's a Trans Woman. There is a difference. Not all Transgender people are male.

Any questions?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Forgotten Felix on 08 Oct 2014, 06:50
Welcome, Forgotten Felix (for clarity's sake we'll have to call you Felix II: Electric Boogaloo), and thank you for wanting to understand it all!


I haven't posted anything on the WCDTs about this, usually because there's been 15 responses every minute and it's getting impossible to keep track of what's going on.

But I'm going to say this. I identify as a (mostly)straight cisgendered male, and right now I am dating someone who is trans. Their genitalia doesn't matter to me. The fact that they're trans doesn't matter to me. They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person (And a fucking awesome one at that.) This is the same as what Marten is feeling right now.
Thanks for the warm welcome! And just to clarify, I get everything you said, I'd feel the same.
But the thing is, I don't know anyone who're trans, and having lurked a bit I realize it's an entirely different world, so to speak, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I've only stated to learn about all this stuff in the month I've been lurking, so I'm still a bit wary of saying something stupid. Also, I may just be a bit paranoid after reading the now-locked trans* dating/prejudice thread :psyduck:

Edit: And for the name dealie, just abbreviate me to FF. I think that's easier ;)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 08 Oct 2014, 06:53
"Well, I could support you and what you stand for, but I don't like your tone."  That's... not a great message to give.

Great, good thing that wasn't at all what I was trying to say. But I see how this shit always goes. Try to extend the olive branch and get thorns thrown back at you. Point out that you're just trying to help/understand and get MORE hate. Fuck it. I'll just go back to not caring on way or the other. Nothing I say can be right, so I'm just going to stop saying things. Enjoy your little victory, brave crusaders. You've driven away another infidel today...
Dude, you literally started off by comparing trans identities to a false idol. That really makes it hard to assume you're acting in any kind of good faith.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: NilsO on 08 Oct 2014, 06:59
Not gonna lie, I am really horrified by the amount of people who seem to have joined up with the sole purpose of asking about Claire's hypothetical genitals.
I agree that many of the posts are not good. Still, Jeph must have had a purpose when introducing Claire. Perhaps breaking down some taboos, or as a spokesperson for the transgender people and their challenges.

Jeph must have known a shitstorm was brewing when he introduced the SS MartenClaire. Even the most tolerant of us will be thinking forbidden thoughts. There is a big elephant in the room that is impossible to ignore.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Apostate on 08 Oct 2014, 07:00
Welcome, Forgotten Felix (for clarity's sake we'll have to call you Felix II: Electric Boogaloo), and thank you for wanting to understand it all!


I haven't posted anything on the WCDTs about this, usually because there's been 15 responses every minute and it's getting impossible to keep track of what's going on.

But I'm going to say this. I identify as a (mostly)straight cisgendered male, and right now I am dating someone who is trans. Their genitalia doesn't matter to me. The fact that they're trans doesn't matter to me. They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person (And a fucking awesome one at that.) This is the same as what Marten is feeling right now.
Thanks for the warm welcome! And just to clarify, I get everything you said, I'd feel the same.
But the thing is, I don't know anyone who're trans, and having lurked a bit I realize it's an entirely different world, so to speak, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I've only stated to learn about all this stuff in the month I've been lurking, so I'm still a bit wary of saying something stupid. Also, I may just be a bit paranoid after reading the now-locked trans* dating/prejudice thread :psyduck:
If you're asking questions honestly, it's okay.  You won't be stepping on any toes by asking questions if you honestly don't know better.  I'd be perfectly willing to clear up any misconceptions about people like me.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 08 Oct 2014, 07:01
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Any questions?

But... but... 'you're awesome' isn't a question.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 07:04
In real life people's personal life isn't my business  especially when it comes to genitalia but when I am being told a story I feel it's my right to ask questions as it provides context and insight into what is happening and how I feel about characters.

Agreed. When dealing with living, feeling people it's none of my business. When dealing with fictional characters in a fictional story it is sometimes relevant information. Up until now it was not relevant but now I think it is. I understand the rules and I wont be asking the question because I don't want to get baned but I will continue to be curious about it until it is answered or until it no longer becomes  relevant, i.e. the relationship ends.

Let's be honest, if Jeph did not want us to at least be curious about it then he should not have put the main character in the situation in the first place. To put this scenario in front of us and then to get mad at us for asking the question in a respectful manner is kind of a dick move and I would like to think that he is not that kind of guy.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 08 Oct 2014, 07:05
Head, meet desk.

Don't discount the possibility that some people still think "transgender" is just another flavour of "transvestite" because they've simply never come across it before.

And thank you, Zoe, for your patience and willingness to educate us. I know a transgender woman (I didn't know it when we first met) and have read up a fair amount about it on the web, but your postings have filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge and understanding.

But... but... 'you're awesome' isn't a question.

Quite so...
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 07:10
So, what for Thursday/Friday? I've offered two suggestions but, to save everyone time from having to sort through lots of posts, I'll summarise here:
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: MooskiNet on 08 Oct 2014, 07:13
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To put this scenario in front of us and then to get mad at us for asking the question in a respectful manner is kind of a dick move and I would like to think that he is not that kind of guy.

I think this is a misstatement of the situation.  Nobody's getting mad at anyone for asking; they're responding patiently that the results of discussing this particular topic go uniformly badly, and are therefore not allowed.  I think where the anger comes in is when someone, having been told this, goes on to say 'BUT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IT!  IF YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT IT WHY'D YOU MENTION IT?', etc., etc.

Subject is verboten, for reasons stated.  Can you just be okay with  that?
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: valkygrrl on 08 Oct 2014, 07:16
So, what for Thursday/Friday? I've offered two suggestions but, to save everyone time from having to sort through lots of posts, I'll summarise here:
  • We get the beginning of a new arc, a Yelling Bird or some other kind of filler;
  • We follow Marten and Claire to work (presuming that this is a work day); they encounter a spontaneous congratulatory party at the library because Dora has leaked the big news to Tai after  they visit CoD.

3: Clinton overreacts.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 08 Oct 2014, 07:17
When I signed up here I read this whole thread (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.0.html).  It helped me not make people repeat and repeat and repeat the same answers to the same questions, then the same questions again, and then the same questions once more. 

ZoeB has incredible patience along with an incredible mind and knowledge base.  I admire the hell out of her. 

Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: anahata on 08 Oct 2014, 07:21
And another thing...

Marten's Dad recently married ANOTHER MAN!
How come we didn't get all this "below the belt" speculation about the "difficulties they might face" in their relationship?

I know they are not mainstream characters, but if they were, or there was another gay couple* centre stage in the cast, I don't think lots of readers would be demanding anatomical details for "context and insight" reasons to do with understanding their relationship.

*Oh! I've just remembered about Tai and Dora... well, we didn't have all that discussion and controversy about what they did between the sheets, did we?

I rest my case. Double standards.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 07:23
Keep in mind that transpersons (transpeople?) have to face attacks on their gender identities ALL THE TIME, and should not have to do so when discussing a webcomic. So a bit of extra sensitivity from the rest of us really isn't much to ask, is it?

I agree.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: eschaton on 08 Oct 2014, 07:24
Sorry guys, this is an aside, but looking over Claire from the introduction, has anyone noticed that Jeph has slowly made her more appealing?

I mean, physically speaking, she's gotten shorter, more feminine looking, and more attractive.  This transition was mostly done by the wedding arc (no homeliness left but the buck teeth), but even looking back at the lake house arc, she still kinda looked like a drowned rat.  And in terms of her personality, she originally would go on these long-winded speeches, along with tease people mercilessly.  She's mellowed over time.  Still loves puns, but doesn't quite put out zingers any longer.  She doesn't seem as anxious any longer either, although that may be because she's gotten more comfortable around Marten.   

Of course, there are many cases where Jeph has changed the fundamental direction of characters.  Hannelore took awhile to become her present self.  Steve degenerated from a fairly well-rounded guy (remember the Meena arc?) to a nice but broish dope who seems to have nothing in common with Marten (hard to imagine that Animal Collective is one of his favorite bands any longer).  And Marigold started out just repulsive, but had her edges softened enough to make her merely irritating. 

My favorite strips lately are the ones with May. Mostly because she's kind of a dick. She's the only one around who seems capable of rolling her eyes and calling people out on their pithy bullshit. I know everyone else likes that the strip has this lovey-dovey kindness and acceptance group therapy thing going on, but I feel like if things get any more saccharine I'm going to get diabetes. It just feels fake. Like QC is suddenly 7th Heaven with facial piercings. Life isn't like this. Hell, the earlier arcs had some unrealistic stuff, but at least it was funny. Remember when Faye would attack people outright and the rest of the cast would chuckle? Now it seems like it would become Yet Another Big Damn Deal.

I can relate to this.  QC used to make me laugh all the time back in the day.  It can be witty these days, but not really that funny.  Part of it is we never see much of Pintsize anymore - his non sequiturs were part of what gave the drama of the human characters proper balance.  May in't actually funny, but she fills some of the void from another perspective. 

Your response, though, makes me wonder  because I hadn't considered that Marten is basically doing a repeat of the Dora situation, where he gets into a relationship with someone who has a huge crush on him, and who he liked well enough but likely would not necessarily have pursued. If Delilah had given him her number, I think Marten would have tried dating her. I'm not trying to say Marten is settling for Claire. I think he genuinely likes her and maybe the night out and seeing her with her hair down made him realize he was attracted to her. But I do sort of wonder if we'll ever see Marten in a relationship with someone for whom he has feelings similar to those he had with Faye - he was upfront about his attraction, willing to pursue, and bummed when it didn't happen.

Yeah.  I get the idea that Marten has been attracted to Claire, and likes her as a friend, but he's not really swooning over her.  He's more thinking "Well, I'll give this a shot, why not?"

Honestly, this would make for a great mini-arc, where Faye kind of does a "WTF" about Marten not having shown interest in Claire before, and Marten then having to justify it.  If Faye saw that Marten was interested, I think she would have hinted it to Claire in the bar the other night. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2014, 07:27
Thanks for the warm welcome! And just to clarify, I get everything you said, I'd feel the same.
But the thing is, I don't know anyone who're trans,
That you know of.  It's quite possible that you have met any number of trans* people who "pass" (goddess, how I hate that word in this context) easily.  And don't feel bad, many of us know few or any openly trans* people in real life, at least closely, so ignorance is common.  Fuck, I'm still ignorant, even after reading and interacting on these fora for a bit over a year now.  When someone I used to work with came out to me near the start of his transition, I was awkward, stumbling over words, and didn't know what to think.  It didn't help that we were both heading in different directions, and the encounter was brief.  At least, thanks to both the people here who gave out information that they didn't have to, as well as research on my own, I was able to ask such questions as "Oh, what should I call you? (both name and pronouns), and actually hang out.  Believe it or not, once you see someone as the person they are, instead of *what* they are, it feels perfectly normal.

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and having lurked a bit I realize it's an entirely different world, so to speak, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I've only stated to learn about all this stuff in the month I've been lurking, so I'm still a bit wary of saying something stupid. Also, I may just be a bit paranoid after reading the now-locked trans* dating/prejudice thread
This (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,28457.3200.html) thread is really long, but is a good resource.  And I'd worry less about saying something stupid, since plenty of people here have done so, and not just on this topic, but in general.  I know I have, usually after too much drink, or because the meds are treating me funny.  Main thing is just don't be an arsehole.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 07:32
Dang, Ben, you could write some freakin' awesome fanfiction.

Yeah, the problem is that, like Marten, I'm fundamentally lazy. Big plans, big ideas but rarely the discipline to see them through!

Now, onto a different subject. Who'd like a funny story arc of a Mom-bar-crawl? Beatrice, Veronica and Mrs A all run into each other in CoD (all there for their own reasons) and find a weird kind of kinship from the fact their children are all wrapped up in each other's lives. They go to a bar to discuss abnormal child development/family dynamics and end up getting trashed and trashing a few bars.

Cut to next morning and Marten, Hannelore and Claire are bailing them out. They look pretty worse for the wear; Mrs A has a piercing that she doesn't remember having before and Beatrice is sure that she didn't have a "My Daughter is a Metal Goddess" tattoo on the small of her back before. Jimbo is in the next-door lock-up and tells Marten that he thinks he is in love.

Word cannot express how much I love this idea!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Apostate on 08 Oct 2014, 07:35
Sorry guys, this is an aside, but looking over Claire from the introduction, has anyone noticed that Jeph has slowly made her more appealing?

I mean, physically speaking, she's gotten shorter, more feminine looking, and more attractive.  This transition was mostly done by the wedding arc (no homeliness left but the buck teeth), but even looking back at the lake house arc, she still kinda looked like a drowned rat.  And in terms of her personality, she originally would go on these long-winded speeches, along with tease people mercilessly.  She's mellowed over time.  Still loves puns, but doesn't quite put out zingers any longer.  She doesn't seem as anxious any longer either, although that may be because she's gotten more comfortable around Marten.   

Of course, there are many cases where Jeph has changed the fundamental direction of characters.  Hannelore took awhile to become her present self.  Steve degenerated from a fairly well-rounded guy (remember the Meena arc?) to a nice but broish dope who seems to have nothing in common with Marten (hard to imagine that Animal Collective is one of his favorite bands any longer).  And Marigold started out just repulsive, but had her edges softened enough to make her merely irritating. 

My favorite strips lately are the ones with May. Mostly because she's kind of a dick. She's the only one around who seems capable of rolling her eyes and calling people out on their pithy bullshit. I know everyone else likes that the strip has this lovey-dovey kindness and acceptance group therapy thing going on, but I feel like if things get any more saccharine I'm going to get diabetes. It just feels fake. Like QC is suddenly 7th Heaven with facial piercings. Life isn't like this. Hell, the earlier arcs had some unrealistic stuff, but at least it was funny. Remember when Faye would attack people outright and the rest of the cast would chuckle? Now it seems like it would become Yet Another Big Damn Deal.

I can relate to this.  QC used to make me laugh all the time back in the day.  It can be witty these days, but not really that funny.  Part of it is we never see much of Pintsize anymore - his non sequiturs were part of what gave the drama of the human characters proper balance.  May in't actually funny, but she fills some of the void from another perspective. 

Your response, though, makes me wonder  because I hadn't considered that Marten is basically doing a repeat of the Dora situation, where he gets into a relationship with someone who has a huge crush on him, and who he liked well enough but likely would not necessarily have pursued. If Delilah had given him her number, I think Marten would have tried dating her. I'm not trying to say Marten is settling for Claire. I think he genuinely likes her and maybe the night out and seeing her with her hair down made him realize he was attracted to her. But I do sort of wonder if we'll ever see Marten in a relationship with someone for whom he has feelings similar to those he had with Faye - he was upfront about his attraction, willing to pursue, and bummed when it didn't happen.

Yeah.  I get the idea that Marten has been attracted to Claire, and likes her as a friend, but he's not really swooning over her.  He's more thinking "Well, I'll give this a shot, why not?"

Honestly, this would make for a great mini-arc, where Faye kind of does a "WTF" about Marten not having shown interest in Claire before, and Marten then having to justify it.  If Faye saw that Marten was interested, I think she would have hinted it to Claire in the bar the other night.

Couple things.  HRT does change people over time- curves become a thing, skin gets softer, etc.  Speaking from personal experience there.  Shorter, okay, that doesn't happen as far as I know but art does shift.  Personalities also change as people get more comfortable with the people they're around, so that's those concerns taken care of.

I'm interested to see how the rest of the cast reacts to recent events.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 07:35

That's why I feel it is important to shed some light on what Marten is really thinking and feeling.
Hasn't today's comic? He's feeling that whatever happens, he's willing to work through it. Isn't that good enough for an answer?

Actually yes. I am happy with it. It lets me get into his head and helps me with the story. Thats all I ever wanted really.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2014, 07:36
Sorry guys, this is an aside, but looking over Claire from the introduction, has anyone noticed that Jeph has slowly made her more appealing?

This was briefly addressed in last week's thread, IIRC. I wondered if there might be a 'POV' element to it and Jeph is letting us see how she's beginning to change in Marten's eyes.

However, don't forget that people can and do change as they build life experience. Claire strikes me as one of those people (that always seem to gravitate to Marten's social circle) who haven't had much in the way of socialisation or proper friends previously. I'm wondering if at least a part of Claire's physical and behavioural changes comes from actually having people whose opinion she cares about giving her feedback. She's noticed that people don't react well to her behavioural rough edges; she's not been around Clinton in-strip recently so we haven't seen that wonderful fratricidal love they share displayed much and, most importantly, she's had people telling her when she does and does not look good - people whose opinion she respects like Marten, Tai and possibly other main characters (not just in 'hot/not' forms as well; it's possible that she's tidied up her hair because Tai, as her manager, has had to formally warn her about her dress and grooming as an employee of the College). All of this is combining to make her develop and alter her behaviour to be a better part of this social group. All humans do this (at least ones who are socially successful). She's also had bad examples (grumpy!Faye, cuckoo!Emily and asocial!Marigold) to learn to avoid copying.

Of course, I'm pretty sure she's openly flirted with Marten on occasions, the blue dress being the most recent example. If, even on a subconscious level, she is trying to impress him, then she'll take more care with her appearance.

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Oh, and, of course, Jeph's art style is always evolving. Even though I know from his Livestreams that he tries to use past references to avoid making characters change too much, as he develops the character in his own mind, the way he portrays her will change accordingly. Yes, in Claire's case, that may have included changing from another baby sister surrogate (amongst the many others Marten has) to a potential romantic match-up.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 Oct 2014, 07:41
I really think Claire's height, or at least how it appeared, was just Jeph figuring things out, and art style.

Then again, her eyes are at Marten's mouth level in 2203, her first appearance... and they're still at his mouth level in 2807, yesterday's strip.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: rschill on 08 Oct 2014, 07:42
I wouldn't read too much into the smaller details.  Jeph has has an ever-shifting, ever developing style.  it is interesting to kinda skim from the beginning and look at every tenth or twentieth page and watch him develop. 
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Oct 2014, 07:43
Marten's Dad recently married ANOTHER MAN!
How come we didn't get all this "below the belt" speculation about the "difficulties they might face" in their relationship?

I know they are not mainstream characters, but if they were, or there was another gay couple* centre stage in the cast, I don't think lots of readers would be demanding anatomical details for "context and insight" reasons to do with understanding their relationship.

*Oh! I've just remembered about Tai and Dora... well, we didn't have all that discussion and controversy about what they did between the sheets, did we?

I rest my case. Double standards.
+1 Insightful
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Honkytonk on 08 Oct 2014, 07:43
Ok, this is pretty much the most amazing thing to happen to anyone in a comic ever. Sure it ain't going to be easy (would it be a good story if it was?), but as neither Marten or Claire care about that neither do I.

I know it's not normal to put gifs on here, but I thought this one was highly appropriate. Well done Mr. Jacques, you are fantastic and if I wore a hat I would doff it to you.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: jwhouk on 08 Oct 2014, 07:45
Did Marten ever did something to deserve all the crap he got? There doesn't need to be a reason to why things don't work out for some people. She liked someone but this someone ends up with her friend.

He decided to become the lead character in a webcomic featuring coffee houses and little robots. ;)
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Forgotten Felix on 08 Oct 2014, 07:48

If you're asking questions honestly, it's okay.  You won't be stepping on any toes by asking questions if you honestly don't know better.  I'd be perfectly willing to clear up any misconceptions about people like me.

I appreciate the encouragement, but the thing is, I feel I DO know better, at least compared to before. I've been lurking and reading old threads (the trans* threads, the WCDT when Claire came out, and sort everything ZoeB posted come to mind). But part of me has not 'adjusted', for the lack of a better word.

Speaking of which, this:
Head, meet desk.

Don't discount the possibility that some people still think "transgender" is just another flavour of "transvestite" because they've simply never come across it before.

And thank you, Zoe, for your patience and willingness to educate us. I know a transgender woman (I didn't know it when we first met) and have read up a fair amount about it on the web, but your postings have filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge and understanding.

But... but... 'you're awesome' isn't a question.

Quite so...

I agree with all of this.

So, what for Thursday/Friday? I've offered two suggestions but, to save everyone time from having to sort through lots of posts, I'll summarise here:
  • We get the beginning of a new arc, a Yelling Bird or some other kind of filler;
  • We follow Marten and Claire to work (presuming that this is a work day); they encounter a spontaneous congratulatory party at the library because Dora has leaked the big news to Tai after they visit CoD.
Let's not forget Clinton. He could easily fill up the rest of the week.

Warning - while you were typing 10 new replies have been posted, and Clinton have been mentioned. You may wish to review your post.

Dammit. That's what I get for responding to multiple persons.

Warning - while you were typing 5 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Oh come on!
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: TieDyeKat on 08 Oct 2014, 07:49
Can we go back to discussing pancakes?

Sure. These are true greasy spoon diner pancakes.

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10649953_10153405718331002_3122705886833391376_n.jpg?oh=188917c1c15e88a07a31b69e01648eff&oe=54B080C0)

Warning - while you were typing a new pancake has been flipped. You may wish to renew your syrup.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 07:51
Welcome, Forgotten Felix (for clarity's sake we'll have to call you Felix II: Electric Boogaloo), and thank you for wanting to understand it all!


I haven't posted anything on the WCDTs about this, usually because there's been 15 responses every minute and it's getting impossible to keep track of what's going on.

But I'm going to say this. I identify as a (mostly)straight cisgendered male, and right now I am dating someone who is trans. Their genitalia doesn't matter to me. The fact that they're trans doesn't matter to me. They are a person. I am attracted to them as a person (And a fucking awesome one at that.) This is the same as what Marten is feeling right now.

This post made me smile. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: marsman57 on 08 Oct 2014, 08:10
Not enough posts about how Clinton is going to flip his **** when he finds out.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Tub on 08 Oct 2014, 08:12
discussing a character's motivations shouldn't be off-limits, and I don't really see how we can discuss Marten's motivations without discussing how he feels about the dreaded subject. It's not a question about what Claire has, but about what Marten feels about what Claire has.
Nothing about that is said in the comic, and it's unlikely that jeph intends to address this. So it wouldn't really be a "discussion" but just "wild speculation".

If anything, we can go meta and assess that Jeph wouldn't hurt his LGBT readers by allowing her trans status to ruin the relationship, and from there we can extrapolate that what Marten said in today's comic is his honest opinion and trans-related issues are not going to stop him.

In this thread, we've had people who clearly couldn't believe that it wouldn't be a problem, and we've had people sharing personal experiences where it clearly wasn't. Which just says that people are different, there's a whole spectrum of opinions. Feel free to examine your own opinions on the matter, in private. Not much good has come out of discussing it in public, though.

Let's be honest, if Jeph did not want us to at least be curious about it then he should not have put the main character in the situation in the first place.
In other words, if Jeph didn't want disrespectful discussions in his forums, he shouldn't have allowed a trans character in his comic to start a relationship? Is that what you're saying? :-o

Sorry guys, this is an aside, but looking over Claire from the introduction, has anyone noticed that Jeph has slowly made her more appealing?
The art style changes. For all characters. Compare Marten and Faye from their first comics, or even from the comics a couple months ago. I wouldn't give such observations too much weight unless the characters address it.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Thedrd0nna on 08 Oct 2014, 08:14
I know it's not normal to put gifs on here, but I thought this one was highly appropriate. Well done Mr. Jacques, you are fantastic and if I wore a hat I would doff it to you.
(click to show/hide)

I keep a special doffing cap on hand for occasions just such as this.
Title: Re: WCDT: 2806-2810 (6th - 10th October 2014) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread
Post by: Sig on 08 Oct 2014, 08:19
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To put this scenario in front of us and then to get mad at us for asking the question in a respectful manner is kind of a dick