Aww, darn. I had a poll all ready to go, but they said it didn't need to be posted till noon-ish on Sunday :-(
Well, to be fair it's 14:40 here on Sunday.
Well, to be fair it's 14:40 here on Sunday.
Blast! Foiled by geography and time zones!
It's common to update the poll during the week, which would give your entry another chance.
and then we find out Momo and Clinton have been dating for weeks. I for one didn't see it coming.
Clinton must find it electrifying!
Well, to be fair it's 14:40 here on Sunday.
Blast! Foiled by geography and time zones!
Here, it's 3:15 on Tuesday. I mean how crazy have the last two comics been, amirite? First, Marten breaks up with Claire and spits on her face and then we find out Momo and Clinton have been dating for weeks. I for one didn't see it coming.
Ohm y Gods, will the puns never stop?
Ohm y Gods, will the puns never stop?
No.
Sometimes they slow down, but they never stop.
Questions, comments, queries , problems, bitches, rude gestures and/or remarks
You just need to build up a resistance to the puns. Or the capacity to use them yourself. Personally I find it shocking that people dislike puns.
Actually, seeing all these puns has me wired.Still, we must be careful not to zap the potential of this thread by allowing the puns to become static.
As long as everyone is following the arc of the story.
Good puns compete with Pintsize's raw electromagnetism. Bad puns just induce zappiness.
Making electricity puns is easy. People just need an outlet.
I really would like it to be Sam who brings Faye out of her funk. Sometimes, the obvious wisdom of children goes where adults fear to tread.
Not necessarily the sort of things Jim would want her to learn (welding!), but...
Yeah, wire people still doing that?Watt are you talking about? I volt we change the topic. I amp here just for the puns.
"I would literally murder you" sounds a lot creepier from Hanners than pretty much any other cast member,
"I would literally murder you" sounds a lot creepier from Hanners than pretty much any other cast member,
No, stevia is what she puts in other people's drinks to kill them. She's secretly Walter White."I would literally murder you" sounds a lot creepier from Hanners than pretty much any other cast member,
And a lot truer.
She also delivered the line almost as if she was telling her she preferred stevia in her tea instead of Sweet 'n Low.
Marigold is the cutest I have ever seen her in Panel two today.When did Marigold sprout rabbit-teeth, anyway?
Marigold is the cutest I have ever seen her in Panel two today.
Marigold is the cutest I have ever seen her in Panel two today.When did Marigold sprout rabbit-teeth, anyway?
Hannelore's hands are not visible in any frame, but she's wearing elbow-length gloves and sterilizing Marigold's fridge...I support this headcanon
Glad to see she's sane enough to avoid considering Dale, at least. Although, it would be more amusing to see their situation blow up in their faces...
She has a roomba to keep the floor spotless.
I think. Something horrible may or may not have happened to it.
Actually, Momo taking on a second job or getting extra shifts would make the most sense. May might also work, since she doesn't want condom wrappers and gawds know what else on her face when she comes out of sleep mode, and maybe the robot odd-couple might prefer that life than deal with humans getting physical all the time.
Now... To me, the question is why Jeph chose to use a strip to remind us of something that we already knew so well: to wit, that Hannelore has made lots of progress, but not enough to deal with someone who is as terminally messy as Marigold! Friend or not, the stress would make her flip!
There is, of course the wildcard possibility of a new character, possibly associated with Faye or some other main character's story.Sara or Vespavenger.
There is, of course the wildcard possibility of a new character, possibly associated with Faye or some other main character's story.Sara or Vespavenger.
IIRC, Marigold doesn't know either.
Didn't JJ write out Vespaavenger?
FWIW, my headcanon is that Vespa had her brain thoroughly laundered (to the point she can't actually remember a life before her membership of The Project) was cybernetically upgraded by EC Defence Systems and is now part of an experimental 'plugsuit super soldier' program. Woman and machine! Power X-treme!
Possible ideas that strike me, :claireface: is a possibility if only because it moves her closer to Marten and it does seem like there's been a lot with her lately. Only other ideas I can think of are, as mentioned Momo, is another possibility. The other chance is that this gets used to bring another new character in, which actually would make some sense and could be a potential new source of drama and interactions.
I was also thinking Dora since she's ALL THE WAY in Amherst, but I don't really see it happening. For also intangible reason, I don't see Claire. Also, there's been a lot of 'wow we all live in one building? Crazy" already, so that's a thing.
Well, Marigold is a sensible girl - notice that she hasn't even suggested moving in with Dale.I agree (living with someone you are dating can be great but they haven't been for, well, at all long really. Although I did like the idea before of Momo/May roommates if Dale and Marigold lived together), but Marigold with Dale is unlikely, as Faye mentioned that there's a lease on Angus' apartment and so she probably can't move (and probably won't want to, seeing as Hanners is her best friend and right there, and moving is hard).
There is, of course the wildcard possibility of a new character, possibly associated with Faye or some other main character's story.This would be neat but it also seems weird to just pop in a random new person. Whether she knows them online, or it's a craigslist person, or whatever, it just seems like it'll be jarring.
I was also thinking Dora since she's ALL THE WAY in Amherst, but I don't really see it happening. For also intangible reason, I don't see Claire. Also, there's been a lot of 'wow we all live in one building? Crazy" already, so that's a thing.
That somehow sprung "Natasha" to mind. Why did it do that.
Maybe it's just because iv never much cared for Marigold, but her body language in the first panel to me screams "im a spoiled brat"
egarding Amir: That sounds like a much MUCH better idea than mine, and it could trigger more band practice (and even a newfound interest in music on Marigold's part)
Although that is just a softer way of saying "I'm a spoiled brat". Speaking as one.
The other person then counters with murder. I'm assuming that 1: she doesn't know Hanners as much as she'd like to and 2: Her plan backfireded.
I second! The continuation of the electrical puns is a situation that must be rectified.
FWIW, my headcanon is that Vespa had her brain thoroughly laundered (to the point she can't actually remember a life before her membership of The Project) was cybernetically upgraded by EC Defence Systems and is now May.
It would give her good experience at dealing with social situations. However, Marigold isn't the best possible roommate for that purpose. Hannelore should start with someone easy, like, um, nobody else in the main cast.
It would give her good experience at dealing with social situations. However, Marigold isn't the best possible roommate for that purpose. Hannelore should start with someone easy, like, um, nobody else in the main cast.
I'd say that MartenTiberiusReed is a pretty easygoing dude to live around honestly
I second! The continuation of the electrical puns is a situation that must be rectified.
Elton John discovered how difficult that is. He wrote a song in memory of Princess Di but nothing got better. Some things can't even be rectified with a Di ode.
TO THE CHAIR FOR THAT ONE!!I second! The continuation of the electrical puns is a situation that must be rectified.Elton John discovered how difficult that is. He wrote a song in memory of Princess Di but nothing got better. Some things can't even be rectified with a Di ode.
...and now we've jumped scene to Marigold visiting Hanners...
Instead, the kitchen wall, counter, and living room wall colors match the McPhee-Farmer apartment as seen in first pancakes. Banners is visiting Marigold.
Hannelore Ellocott-Chatham is barefoot in someone else's home.
Hannelore Ellocott-Chatham is barefoot in someone else's home.
I second! The continuation of the electrical puns is a situation that must be rectified.
Elton John discovered how difficult that is. He wrote a song in memory of Princess Di but nothing got better. Some things can't even be rectified with a Di ode.
Third, what do these electrical puns have it common with Clinton? No it's not that they're annoing! Silly voices in my head. It's that they both have a transistor. ( :claireface: )
Hannelore Ellocott-Chatham is barefoot in someone else's home.
Third, what do these electrical puns have it common with Clinton? No it's not that they're annoing! Silly voices in my head. It's that they both have a transistor. ( :claireface: )
Yes. Joule go home with the prize, for sure.Third, what do these electrical puns have it common with Clinton? No it's not that they're annoing! Silly voices in my head. It's that they both have a transistor. ( :claireface: )
If they're taking votes, my vote is you win the thread.
Yes. Joule go home with the prize, for sure.Third, what do these electrical puns have it common with Clinton? No it's not that they're annoing! Silly voices in my head. It's that they both have a transistor. ( :claireface: )
If they're taking votes, my vote is you win the thread.
First, I'm calling return of Raven for Marigold's roommate again. If I say it enough times, it comes true. That's how the world works, right? Right? Guys...?
And Hannelore's kitchen is a different color.
She's an IT head for her dad's online shoe sales website. Her dad pays her, probably a monthly fee based out of the sales figures of the website.
And comic: The Little Light Bulb is slowly turning on over Marigold.
Prediction: Dale moves in by next Monday.
Webmaster for her dad, IIRC.
I still kinda think Momo would be a logical choice (Momo wants more space and to gain the rights and responsibilities of an adult human), but it looks like Marigold is probably going to make the mistake of moving in with Dale...
"and preferably tall."
Classic roommate quality.
Read as far as the third panel before I facepalmed and thought: "She's describing Dale. Here we bloody go." Then I read the last and Hanners agreed. Looks like this is happening. Mistakes, ahoy!
Excellent. *Steeples fingers.
Read as far as the third panel before I facepalmed and thought: "She's describing Dale. Here we bloody go." Then I read the last and Hanners agreed. Looks like this is happening. Mistakes, ahoy!
That is Hannelore's kitchen. Head back to 2683 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2683).
That is Hannelore's kitchen. Head back to 2683 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2683).
Back up a few strips from that one. That whole scene is taking place in Marten and Faye's apartment, so that's Marten and Faye's kitchen in 2683.
That is Hannelore's kitchen. Head back to 2683 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2683).
Back up a few strips from that one. That whole scene is taking place in Marten and Faye's apartment, so that's Marten and Faye's kitchen in 2683.
No, because the first panel shows Hannelore coming in through her front door whilst in her 'happy place' trance. So, yes, that is her apartment.
Some things can't even be rectified with a Di ode.Well of course. As any Vogon knows... resistance is useless.
And help with the cleaning. A friend of my wife's visited and said she could tell by the state of the house that we're both short.
Marigold is infantilized here. "And now Angus is moving away and I hafta find a new roommate!" sounds like it came out of Family Circus. The body language is childish and petulant. The terms "hafta" and "wanna" exacerbate the impression.She's somewhat panicking. Which is totally understandable given her condition.
Did she use baby talk like "hafta" and "wanna" in past strips? I don't think so... perhaps a more knowledgeable forum goer would know.
You just need to build up a resistance to the puns. Or the capacity to use them yourself. Personally I find it shocking that people dislike puns.Ohmmmm.. Isn´t this the IEEE forum
Ohmmmm.. Isn´t this the IEEE forum
Ohmmmm.. Isn´t this the IEEE forum
These puns are becoming a real impedance to the forums.
KawaiiEEE?
I was like tLDRWatt?
Hanners thinks Marigold is describing Dale. Marigold still thinks she is describing Hangers.
We're alternating between two current ideas I think.
Dale moving in with Marigold would be ......... interesting.
Are we going to get an adorable scene tomorrow?! I can't stand the tension someone hold me
There's something very creepy about Martin's face in panel three.
I'm not sure if it's actually seeing a character's face dead on (which Jeph seldom does) or actually having a first-person look out of Claire's eyes (which I don't think Jeph has ever done before).
And help with the cleaning. A friend of my wife's visited and said she could tell by the state of the house that we're both short.
Absolutely. The top of the fridge is a dead giveaway. You have no idea how much dust collects up there. But I do.
And help with the cleaning. A friend of my wife's visited and said she could tell by the state of the house that we're both short.
Absolutely. The top of the fridge is a dead giveaway. You have no idea how much dust collects up there. But I do.
Jeez, me too, I'm 6 foot 1, and the only refrigerator I've seen that didn't have 1/4 inch of dust on top of it was at my uncle's place (he's 6 foot 6).
And $5 says Claire overdresses for the date. (I hope it's the big fluffy pink Kaylee dress)
There's something very creepy about Martin's face in panel three.It's a little uncanny valley to me
I'm not sure if it's actually seeing a character's face dead on (which Jeph seldom does) or actually having a first-person look out of Claire's eyes (which I don't think Jeph has ever done before).
Although I have the same question as Claire, what is proper first date attire?
(Although Fancy hats are proper attire for anything except sports/manual labour)
I think a visit to Horrible Revelations is in order for both Marten and Claire, and for this forum
You're the kind of person who can really savor a bar of chocolate instead of eating it all, aren't you?
There's something very creepy about Martin's face in panel three.
There's something very creepy about Martin's face in panel three.It's a little uncanny valley to me
I'm not sure if it's actually seeing a character's face dead on (which Jeph seldom does) or actually having a first-person look out of Claire's eyes (which I don't think Jeph has ever done before).
I find it puzzling that Marten would want to date Claire.
The Blue Dress With White Piping would not be overdoing it. It will be really awkward if that's what Marten wears too.Hee hee... Yes, that could be a good option.
Are we going to get an adorable scene tomorrow?! I can't stand the tension someone hold me
I dunno if it's just me, but Hanners, Claire, and Marigold seem to be very similar characters to me. They are deeply nuanced and unique but they seem very similar and I can't put my finger on why
I find it puzzling that Marten would want to date Claire. Today's comic reaffirmed this feeling. For one thing, Marten is 25 or 26 and Claire is 24 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281).
However, Marten has much more romantic experience than Claire. Marten has had four or five girlfriends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2569). In contrast, Claire has kissed one person (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2571). I guess Marten is that uncommon 26 year-old who is willing to date someone with essentially no romantic experience.
Marten's paternalism towards Claire also baffles me. If you have to protect and advise someone in a paternal way, to me, that person would not feel like an equal partner.
When Marten advised Claire that she "might wanna change out of that dress... so you won't be heartbroken when someone spills a shitty beer on it" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2790), it came across like she, a 24 year old, had never been to a bar and didn't know how to dress herself.
Marten also had to comfort Claire after she freaked out about harmless snuggling (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2432). Today, he told her she can wear whatever she wants on a date. Again, I don't get how one could be attracted to someone when he has to hold her hand through so many scenarios.
if Claire was a normal womanCLANG!
Now in the UK it would be "dropping a brick", but the US meaning of the phrase is quite different.
I want to make a relevant comment but my current emotional state has eliminated my capacity for rational thought.
I dunno if it's just me, but Hanners, Claire, and Marigold seem to be very similar characters to me. They are deeply nuanced and unique but they seem very similar and I can't put my finger on whyI think ALL of Jephs characters have a certain lightheartedness to them. Even if they all have their issues, on a certain level they are deeply relaxed, ever able to made the trademark jokes of Jeph.
It makes sense that it's a dense bit of story telling, there are at the very least 3 storylines going at the same time right now (QCSS Clarten setting sail to the horizon, Steam Paddler FAngus crashing down Niagara falls, Angus moving to NY and having Marigold looking for roomie). Granted that Marigold's "struggles" are more of a background thing that has just been noted, but this is still a webcomic loosely based on strips and that limits the possible Progress per Unit of Comic (tm)
if Claire was a normal womanCLANG!
Giving snubnose the benefit of the doubt, Claire is NOT a normal woman. She's an anxiety-ridden nutbar with questionable social skills (I should know, we can smell our own). There's room for the comment to be alot more innocent than it comes off as at first.if Claire was a normal womanCLANG!
You know, lot_jockey's post actually really bothers me.
I'm 26 years old, and I've never kissed anyone, and have no dating experience whatsoever, and don't really know what I'm doing in that regard. While the reasons for that are rather different from Claire's reasons (mine is caused primarily by my anxiety issues and the social structures of my upbringing, whereas hers was caused by her transition primarily and her explicitly not wanting to date while she was still figuring herself out), the end result is the same.
I find it puzzling that Marten would want to date Claire. Today's comic reaffirmed this feeling. For one thing, Marten is 25 or 26 and Claire is 24 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281).
CALL THE COPS
Seriously, my parents are six years apart. And I am six years older than my girlfriend. And I'm 26.QuoteHowever, Marten has much more romantic experience than Claire. Marten has had four or five girlfriends (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2569). In contrast, Claire has kissed one person (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2571). I guess Marten is that uncommon 26 year-old who is willing to date someone with essentially no romantic experience.
So he's a nice guy willing to overlook someone's lack of experience and see the person, rather than just how many people they've kissed. I again fail to see why this is that puzzling.QuoteMarten's paternalism towards Claire also baffles me. If you have to protect and advise someone in a paternal way, to me, that person would not feel like an equal partner.
Precious few relationships are properly 100% equal, and even if they are, there is room for paternalism or maternalism, besides which dominance does not mean inequality, experience does not mean inequality, age does not mean inequality.QuoteWhen Marten advised Claire that she "might wanna change out of that dress... so you won't be heartbroken when someone spills a shitty beer on it" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2790), it came across like she, a 24 year old, had never been to a bar and didn't know how to dress herself.
Why would Marten's friendly advice give any indication of whether Claire has been to a bar? I've got plenty of friends who are practically drunks but still dress pretty for dive bars. Could just be an indication that she's not been to a wedding before. And if she hasn't been to a wedding or a bar, to paraphrase the late Bill Hicks, four questions: Yeah? And? So? What?QuoteMarten also had to comfort Claire after she freaked out about harmless snuggling (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2432). Today, he told her she can wear whatever she wants on a date. Again, I don't get how one could be attracted to someone when he has to hold her hand through so many scenarios.
Okay so given how insulting that is to anyone who's ever had anxiety issues, I just stopped caring whether I offend you with this post or not.
It makes sense that it's a dense bit of story telling, there are at the very least 3 storylines going at the same time right now (QCSS Clarten setting sail to the horizon, Steam Paddler FAngus crashing down Niagara falls, Angus moving to NY and having Marigold looking for roomie). Granted that Marigold's "struggles" are more of a background thing that has just been noted, but this is still a webcomic loosely based on strips and that limits the possible Progress per Unit of Comic (tm)
You're forgetting the most important one - Pintsize and Winslow: Entrepreneurs.
if Claire was a normal womanCLANG!
Giving snubnose the benefit of the doubt, Claire is NOT a normal woman. She's an anxiety-ridden nutbar with questionable social skills (I should know, we can smell our own). There's room for the comment to be alot more innocent than it comes off as at first.
I dunno if it's just me, but Hanners, Claire, and Marigold seem to be very similar characters to me. They are deeply nuanced and unique but they seem very similar and I can't put my finger on why
I think that Jeph is deliberately comparing Claire to Marigold here. Both are somewhat inexperienced at adult relationships and the requirements of life, if for different reasons.
I want to make a relevant comment but my current emotional state has eliminated my capacity for rational thought.
How about 'butts?'
The way Jeph's drawing him, Marten's eyes make it clear he's so into her that it's giving me warm and fuzzies and I'm starting to worry it might actually be heart problems.Also, the Svenectomy is still pushed into the background. That could erupt at some point.
Does anyone have an aspirin? I want to head this off before I get the tingling down the arm.It makes sense that it's a dense bit of story telling, there are at the very least 3 storylines going at the same time right now (QCSS Clarten setting sail to the horizon, Steam Paddler FAngus crashing down Niagara falls, Angus moving to NY and having Marigold looking for roomie). Granted that Marigold's "struggles" are more of a background thing that has just been noted, but this is still a webcomic loosely based on strips and that limits the possible Progress per Unit of Comic (tm)
You're forgetting the most important one - Pintsize and Winslow: Entrepreneurs.
... Also, I agree that this is different in that Marten took the lead. Tho it seems to me that his reactions so far have less to do with him being a nice guy helping guide Claire through unknown relationship territory and more of his brain being so happy he is just enjoying the fact of the relationship existing and being pretty zen about it all, without really thinking about what he says or does. Which is good. Marten overthinks everything so far. This is the first time he is not only acting on impulse and what feels right at the moment (example: the stolen kiss before work without verbal reply) but the first time he is happy with the results from it (previous example of it not going his way are his one night stand, he took the impulse to joke about getting paid in makeouts but after it all discovered it wasn't his thing)Sometimes, being zen about things is a great way to help people out without even noticing that you are. Yay for things just working out!
Also, the Svenectomy is still pushed into the background. That could erupt at some point.It makes sense that it's a dense bit of story telling, there are at the very least 3 storylines going at the same time right now (QCSS Clarten setting sail to the horizon, Steam Paddler FAngus crashing down Niagara falls, Angus moving to NY and having Marigold looking for roomie). Granted that Marigold's "struggles" are more of a background thing that has just been noted, but this is still a webcomic loosely based on strips and that limits the possible Progress per Unit of Comic (tm)
You're forgetting the most important one - Pintsize and Winslow: Entrepreneurs.
Although I do wonder where the "we're two library employees and nothing more" rule went, it looks like it's still in working hours.
Obligatory self-mockery aside, it occurs to me that it has taken something like 40-50 strips to take us from the trip to the bar on Saturday night to the latter part of Monday!Pedantic reminder that this strip can only be happening on a Monday if there was a six-day gap between 2780 and 2781, which doesn't seem right to me. Otherwise it's has to be a Tuesday.
Wow Marten's face is creepy in panel 3. Looks like a serial killer about to go to work. "You don't have to dress up if you don't want to", he said to his blood soaked, sobbing victim...
SCARY
She smiled. Are you happy now???
She smiled. Are you happy now???
Does his best Russell Crowe impersonation
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Mhmm... Good wisdom, that, avoiding hitting someone Reich in the nads.
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
You save that kind of thing for the third date.
My Headcanon: Marten is actually describing bad dates he has had in both cases.
Maybe it's the fact that Marten is taking the lead on this that makes the whole situation seem strange. I think it's the complete lack of snark that is throwing me off.
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
My Headcanon: Marten is actually describing bad dates he has had in both cases.Off-panel, Marten has already gone on a first date with Emily. It went badly because she set literal pitfalls for him. The junk-punching was obviously an off-panel incident with Faye during the pre-Talk days. The Hitler yelling is left as a Noodle Incident (TV Tropes link omitted).
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
She smiled. Are you happy now???
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
But what about dwarf throwing?
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
You save that kind of thing for the third date.
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
She smiled. Are you happy now???
I think people were over analyzing the not smiling thing.
But a smiling Claire does make me happy.
Maybe it's the fact that Marten is taking the lead on this that makes the whole situation seem strange. I think it's the complete lack of snark that is throwing me off.
Has that ever really been their dynamic though?
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
What about knife-play? Oh, who am I kidding. You probably don't even mumblety-peg on your own, you prude.
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
You save that kind of thing for the third date.
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
While I disagree I respect your right to sword throwing decisions of your own.
What is your opinion on Spear throwing?
EDIT: Grammar
I mean, if it was with the right person... Its not like spear throwing really counts, right?
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
What about knife-play? Oh, who am I kidding. You probably don't even mumblety-peg on your own, you prude.
Please. My body is a temple, and I'll not sully it with unclean acts like that.Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
You save that kind of thing for the third date.
I believe that sword throwing before marriage is immoral.
While I disagree I respect your right to sword throwing decisions of your own.
What is your opinion on Spear throwing?
EDIT: Grammar
I mean, if it was with the right person... Its not like spear throwing really counts, right?
What about knife-play?
Especially when they began to wax poetic about Bayonets.
Then a kiss on the porch, Claire touches martin's butt and it's all interrupted by Clinton opening the door.
What does Marten mean by "lucky me" when Claire says it's her first date?
Prediction. Marten gets his Sven on.You mean he's already hitting on another women 5 minutes into the date ?
Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.
Throwing swords is another first date no-no
But what about dwarf throwing?
Nobody tosses a dwarf
Knife play is sexy, one of my biggest kinks. Sadly, find other queer ladies who share it is rare.
Nobody tosses a dwarf
Not without the dwarf's active consent.
Mhmm... Good wisdom, that, avoiding hitting someone Reich in the nads.
Yes, But Martin didn't rule out Göring.
Or Speer throwing.
No literal pitfalls? Shit have I been dating wrong.Me too, possibly.
Well of course I expect a qīnggōng duel over the rooftops with traditional weapons from my suitors. But I reserve the right to have the victor executed if his calligraphy is bad, or he can't compose classical jěntǐshī (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(poetry)#Jintishi) praising my beauty and character. :wink:
Please be more specific, because I don't understand where you get that timing from.Obligatory self-mockery aside, it occurs to me that it has taken something like 40-50 strips to take us from the trip to the bar on Saturday night to the latter part of Monday!Pedantic reminder that this strip can only be happening on a Monday if there was a six-day gap between 2780 and 2781, which doesn't seem right to me. Otherwise it's has to be a Tuesday.
At the very end of the panel will be Mrs A and Clinton looking out of the kitchen door as Claire vanishes up the stairs, looking very weirded-out.
At the very end of the panel will be Mrs A and Clinton looking out of the kitchen door as Claire vanishes up the stairs, looking very weirded-out.
Clinton sure, he doesn't appear to think very highly of Marten but why would Mrs. A be weirded out? She thinks he's a nice boy.
Well queer ladies are already in relatively shorter supply, thise that share a specific kink even more so. A minority of a minority.Knife play is sexy, one of my biggest kinks. Sadly, find other queer ladies who share it is rare.
Knife play really is the shit, man. I'm interested to know it's uncommon among queer ladies.
Claire seems to be keeping up nicely with Marten. Her sense of humour is obviously not limited to puns. She's pretty good at snark-hunting too. Someone should write a poem about it. Or maybe a carol.No literal pitfalls? Shit have I been dating wrong.Me too, possibly.Well of course I expect a qīnggōng duel over the rooftops with traditional weapons from my suitors. But I reserve the right to have the victor executed if his calligraphy is bad, or he can't compose classical jěntǐshī (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(poetry)#Jintishi) praising my beauty and character. :wink:
Claire seems to be keeping up nicely with Marten. Her sense of humour is obviously not limited to puns. She's pretty good at snark-hunting too. Someone should write a poem about it. Or maybe a carol.No literal pitfalls? Shit have I been dating wrong.Me too, possibly.Well of course I expect a qīnggōng duel over the rooftops with traditional weapons from my suitors. But I reserve the right to have the victor executed if his calligraphy is bad, or he can't compose classical jěntǐshī (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(poetry)#Jintishi) praising my beauty and character. :wink:
Claire seems to be keeping up nicely with Marten. Her sense of humour is obviously not limited to puns. She's pretty good at snark-hunting too. Someone should write a poem about it. Or maybe a carol.
Because Claire is behaving very out-of-character by dancing and singing down the hall.
How Ardent of you.Claire seems to be keeping up nicely with Marten. Her sense of humour is obviously not limited to puns. She's pretty good at snark-hunting too. Someone should write a poem about it. Or maybe a carol.
Did you write that with Alice aforethought?
Because Claire is behaving very out-of-character by dancing and singing down the hall.
Hello? She's a _Disney_ princess. They're always singing.
Wait a minute! If she's a Disney Princess, she needs a cute talking animal/magical creature comedy sidekick! Where's her comedy sidekick? ((Someone points at Emily)) Oh... yeah...
Wait a minute! If she's a Disney Princess, she needs a cute talking animal/magical creature comedy sidekick! Where's her comedy sidekick? ((Someone points at Emily)) Oh... yeah...
Um, I think maybe this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2459) instead.
Wait a minute! If she's a Disney Princess, she needs a cute talking animal/magical creature comedy sidekick! Where's her comedy sidekick? ((Someone points at Emily)) Oh... yeah...
Um, I think maybe this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2459) instead.
Nah, Pintsize is Marten's comedy sidekick. Fortunately Tangled and Frozen establishes that a Disney male protagonist can also have a comedy sidekick or an animal straight-guy, so this need not raise issues about Marten's role in the strip.
Because Claire is behaving very out-of-character by dancing and singing down the hall.
Hello? She's a _Disney_ princess. They're always singing.
Or a hefty dose of ipecac ~ SmaugNot without the dwarf's active consent.Nobody tosses a dwarfBut what about dwarf throwing?Just so long as there's no Gladius Throwing, it should be alright.Throwing swords is another first date no-no
If she is a Princess then I pick the Leia archetype but instead of a blaster pistol she is armed with Puns.Hello? She's a _Disney_ princess. They're always singing.Well, can't argue with that...
Wait a minute! If she's a Disney Princess, she needs a cute talking animal/magical creature comedy sidekick! Where's her comedy sidekick? ((Someone points at Emily)) Oh... yeah...
Oh, and following up another point from a few threads back, I suggested that Claire is a bibliophile. It's only anecdotal but in this strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2366), Claire is wearing a shirt for something called "ReaderCon" back in 2009. This is a guess, but I suspect it was a convention for book lovers.
So, yeah, if Marten wants to show he's picked up on Claire's personal interests, a trip to a book store might work out at least once.
Dunno what it is but both Marten and Claire have seemed unusually, er, flat, for the past couple of weeks.
Like,
Claire: *possible problem*
Marten: *zen-like calm and solution to problem*
Looking forward to getting back to the regular programming :o
Dunno what it is but both Marten and Claire have seemed unusually, er, flat, for the past couple of weeks.
Like,
Claire: *possible problem*
Marten: *zen-like calm and solution to problem*
Looking forward to getting back to the regular programming :o
I'd prefer to see some balance where Claire gets to act like an adult woman, because since the comic has been focusing on her insecurities it reads like there is a maturity gap. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't know if it's the intent in the comic. And if it's the intent, I'd like to get a better understanding of what Marten sees in her except that she's cute. But I think we'll see this in time.
I'd prefer to see some balance where Claire gets to act like an adult woman, because since the comic has been focusing on her insecurities it reads like there is a maturity gap.
Indeed. We're seeing 'fair-weather' Marten here. We've also seen him bitter regarding frustrating and intractable things. ("It was mutual. We're both sick of her shit.", anyone?) If shit hits the fan somewhere, I don't expect him to act bitter, necessarily, but he's not likely to take it well. No clue what form the shit will take either. Veronica 'delightfully' trespassing where she shouldn't? Faye breaking down? (The steampaddler is limping along at half speed instead of being sunk, given the last conversation Faye and Dora had.) Clinton giving him shit? Who can say?I'd prefer to see some balance where Claire gets to act like an adult woman, because since the comic has been focusing on her insecurities it reads like there is a maturity gap. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't know if it's the intent in the comic. And if it's the intent, I'd like to get a better understanding of what Marten sees in her except that she's cute. But I think we'll see this in time.
I think that's definitely coming - one of the first things I said when I registered here is that I was pretty sure Claire would love Marten like there's no tomorrow if he gave her a chance, and I've seen nothing to indicate I'm wrong about that. Yeah, she has insecurities, and yeah, Marten's going to help her through them where he can, but I think Claire's going to turn out to be hard as steel when it comes to helping and supporting Marten - she'll show him her softer side, but when he needs her, she's going to be a rock.
And if the various story threads are any indication, he's going to need her.
If shit hits the fan somewhere, I don't expect him to act bitter, necessarily, but he's not likely to take it well. No clue what form the shit will take either. Veronica 'delightfully' trespassing where she shouldn't? Faye breaking down? (The steampaddler is limping along at half speed instead of being sunk, given the last conversation Faye and Dora had.) Clinton giving him shit? Who can say?
No, this would be cruel: Claire being acknowledged to have better qualifications than already-graduated-Tai, and taking her job. The intern thing gets flipped on its head.If shit hits the fan somewhere, I don't expect him to act bitter, necessarily, but he's not likely to take it well. No clue what form the shit will take either. Veronica 'delightfully' trespassing where she shouldn't? Faye breaking down? (The steampaddler is limping along at half speed instead of being sunk, given the last conversation Faye and Dora had.) Clinton giving him shit? Who can say?
The head librarian offering Claire a full-time job--taking Marten's soon-to-be-previous position?
No, that would be waaaayyyy too cruel.
No, this would be cruel: Claire being acknowledged to have better qualifications than already-graduated-Tai, and taking her job. The intern thing gets flipped on its head.
Congratulations. We've collectively discovered the Bermuda Triangle into which this ship must not sail, lest it never be found again.No, this would be cruel: Claire being acknowledged to have better qualifications than already-graduated-Tai, and taking her job. The intern thing gets flipped on its head.
Realizing she's Marten's superior now, she goes to Veronica for some, er, "leadership" advice.
the now-absent Gabby, who just likes books
Welcome, new person!
I too would like to see the situations that will show where Claire is more grown up than Marten.
Welcome, new person!
I too would like to see the situations that will show where Claire is more grown up than Marten.
I think this will come out the more they are together though. When she works through her initial anxiety over dating, and we start dealing with the fact that she is incredibly driven (to be a librarian), and he is very... go with the flow.
I expect it will mostly work out though, and she will be a good influence on Marten.
That prompted me to do some idle Wiki reading that led to another Göring, Albert Günther, the younger brother of Herman,
Not many people realise Goering was a WWI fighter ace. Never popular though.
Because Claire is behaving very out-of-character by dancing and singing down the hall.
Hello? She's a _Disney_ princess. They're always singing.
Yeah, Jeph may not own up to it, but the truth is revealed (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2749) in one of the guest strips.
[Andersen] wrote to Edvard Collin: "I languish for you as for a pretty Calabrian wench... my sentiments for you are those of a woman. The femininity of my nature and our friendship must remain a mystery." Collin, who preferred women, wrote in his own memoir: "I found myself unable to respond to this love, and this caused the author much suffering."
“I know what you want,” said the sea witch; “it is very stupid of you, but you shall have your way, and it will bring you to sorrow, my pretty princess. You want to get rid of your fish’s tail, and to have two supports instead of it, like human beings on earth, so that the young prince may fall in love with you, and that you may have an immortal soul.” And then the witch laughed so loud and disgustingly, that the toad and the snakes fell to the ground, and lay there wriggling about. “You are but just in time,” said the witch; “for after sunrise to-morrow I should not be able to help you till the end of another year. I will prepare a draught for you, with which you must swim to land tomorrow before sunrise, and sit down on the shore and drink it. Your tail will then disappear, and shrink up into what mankind calls legs, and you will feel great pain, as if a sword were passing through you. But all who see you will say that you are the prettiest little human being they ever saw. You will still have the same floating gracefulness of movement, and no dancer will ever tread so lightly; but at every step you take it will feel as if you were treading upon sharp knives, and that the blood must flow. If you will bear all this, I will help you.”
“Yes, I will,” said the little princess in a trembling voice, as she thought of the prince and the immortal soul.
“But think again,” said the witch; “for when once your shape has become like a human being, you can no more be a mermaid. You will never return through the water to your sisters, or to your father’s palace again; and if you do not win the love of the prince, so that he is willing to forget his father and mother for your sake, and to love you with his whole soul, and allow the priest to join your hands that you may be man and wife, then you will never have an immortal soul. The first morning after he marries another your heart will break, and you will become foam on the crest of the waves.”
“I will do it,” said the little mermaid, and she became pale as death.
“But I must be paid also,” said the witch, “and it is not a trifle that I ask. You have the sweetest voice of any who dwell here in the depths of the sea, and you believe that you will be able to charm the prince with it also, but this voice you must give to me; the best thing you possess will I have for the price of my draught. My own blood must be mixed with it, that it may be as sharp as a two-edged sword.”
“But if you take away my voice,” said the little mermaid, “what is left for me?”
“Your beautiful form, your graceful walk, and your expressive eyes; surely with these you can enchain a man’s heart. Well, have you lost your courage? Put out your little tongue that I may cut it off as my payment; then you shall have the powerful draught.”
“It shall be,” said the little mermaid.
Then the witch placed her cauldron on the fire, to prepare the magic draught.
“Cleanliness is a good thing,” said she, scouring the vessel with snakes, which she had tied together in a large knot; then she pricked herself in the breast, and let the black blood drop into it. The steam that rose formed itself into such horrible shapes that no one could look at them without fear. Every moment the witch threw something else into the vessel, and when it began to boil, the sound was like the weeping of a crocodile. When at last the magic draught was ready, it looked like the clearest water. “There it is for you,” said the witch. Then she cut off the mermaid’s tongue, so that she became dumb, and would never again speak or sing. “If the polypi should seize hold of you as you return through the wood,” said the witch, “throw over them a few drops of the potion, and their fingers will be torn into a thousand pieces.” But the little mermaid had no occasion to do this, for the polypi sprang back in terror when they caught sight of the glittering draught, which shone in her hand like a twinkling star.
So she passed quickly through the wood and the marsh, and between the rushing whirlpools. She saw that in her father’s palace the torches in the ballroom were extinguished, and all within asleep; but she did not venture to go in to them, for now she was dumb and going to leave them forever, she felt as if her heart would break. She stole into the garden, took a flower from the flower-beds of each of her sisters, kissed her hand a thousand times towards the palace, and then rose up through the dark blue waters. The sun had not risen when she came in sight of the prince’s palace, and approached the beautiful marble steps, but the moon shone clear and bright. Then the little mermaid drank the magic draught, and it seemed as if a two-edged sword went through her delicate body: she fell into a swoon, and lay like one dead. When the sun arose and shone over the sea, she recovered, and felt a sharp pain; but just before her stood the handsome young prince. He fixed his coal-black eyes upon her so earnestly that she cast down her own, and then became aware that her fish’s tail was gone, and that she had as pretty a pair of white legs and tiny feet as any little maiden could have.
Ariel isn't trans. She's a furry at best.
EDIT: The videos don't appear to be working for me. I know the scenes though
Ariel isn't trans. She's a furry at best.
A scaly.
Going with April's analysis of one of the first major otherkin films. Could poseidon going all out for a wedding be considered negative? A reestablishment of parental control, etc..
Sebastian: Like I always say, Your Majesty, "children have got to be free to lead their own lives."
Triton: You always say that, Sebastian?
Sebastian: [nervous] Tee-hee.
Triton: Well I guess there's one problem left.
Sebastian: And what's that, Your Majesty?
Triton: How much I'm going to miss her.
She is, specifically, Ariel, whose trans status is barely subtext:
Skinny is a derogatory term for Somalis so likely best not to use it outside of discussions of Black Hawk Down.
She is, specifically, Ariel, whose trans status is barely subtext:
Very good dear. And now what do you see in this (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/humor/files/2010/08/4-UR-Mental-Health-Ink-Blot-Test-Mental-Games-for-Mental-Health-humor.jpg) inkblot?
I might be on edge over nothing but...this isn't the final strip is it?Nope. Too many loose ends to end it here. Lest you forget: Steampaddler Fangus floundering, the Svenectomy, Marigold needs a roommate, Veronica and Jim will have more dates in the future, and there's a singing dildo on the loose that Pintsize and Winslow need to wrangle.
Yeah I guess that is too much. I think this would be my ideal final page so that's why I went 'oh no is it over already!?'
I feel something this cute this can only end badly....dooooooooom
I feel something this cute this can only end badly....dooooooooom
Is this where my fear of Delilah coming back is coming from?
Why am I grinning like an idiot? They're fictional dammit there's no reason to... sooooooo cute. Seriously this is nice representation of... omygosh most adorable thing ever. But their body language shows... 20% cuter!
I give up.
*squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
I might be on edge over nothing but...this isn't the final strip is it?Nope. Too many loose ends to end it here. Lest you forget: Steampaddler Fangus floundering, the Svenectomy, Marigold needs a roommate, Veronica and Jim will have more dates in the future, and there's a singing dildo on the loose that Pintsize and Winslow need to wrangle.
And May is still a new character that Jeph will presumably do things with in the future.
That said, a one-panel comic like this would have me worrying if these unresolved plot threads weren't around.
Very good dear. And now what do you see in this (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/humor/files/2010/08/4-UR-Mental-Health-Ink-Blot-Test-Mental-Games-for-Mental-Health-humor.jpg) inkblot?
I need a page of half-dressed Claire and Marten being adorable (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=870) in (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1887) bed (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2057) together (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2584).
Very good dear. And now what do you see in this (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/humor/files/2010/08/4-UR-Mental-Health-Ink-Blot-Test-Mental-Games-for-Mental-Health-humor.jpg) inkblot?
I need a page of half-dressed Claire and Marten being adorable (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=870) in (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1887) bed (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2057) together (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2584).
Or a sleeping montage (which I can't seem to find at the moment, but there are at least two of them) showing various characters and couples in bed, although this fan-art (http://harrysde.tumblr.com/post/99020747316/be-the-small-spoon-marten) is probably what we'll see from M&C.
Oh darn I was looking through old strips a few hours ago and spotted one. In a little while Faye will be by herself and Martin and Claire will be together. Cosette's snoring will still keep Steve up while he has cereal.
You are not alone.Very good dear. And now what do you see in this (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/humor/files/2010/08/4-UR-Mental-Health-Ink-Blot-Test-Mental-Games-for-Mental-Health-humor.jpg) inkblot?
Is it me or does anyone else just see some random ink on a piece of paper?
Found the second!
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2554
Skinny is a derogatory term for Somalis so likely best not to use it outside of discussions of Black Hawk Down.
And Starship Troopers surely?
I sit in absolute awe of AprilArcus.
I see the end of time itself, the unfathomable void coming to take us all.You're thinking Shub-Niggurath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shub-Niggurath).
IA NYARLATHOTEP! THE BLACK GOAT OF THE WOODS WITH A THOUSAND YOUNG CREEPS INTO MY DREAMS TO STEAL YOUR SOULLLLLS.
Sort of reminds you of this http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA doesn't it?
I see the end of time itself, the unfathomable void coming to take us all.You're thinking Shub-Niggurath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shub-Niggurath).
IA NYARLATHOTEP! THE BLACK GOAT OF THE WOODS WITH A THOUSAND YOUNG CREEPS INTO MY DREAMS TO STEAL YOUR SOULLLLLS.
Sort of reminds you of this http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA doesn't it?
That image of the two of them hand in hand and smiling just makes me feel really good about this relationship. Like this is something positive for both of them, and it's going to last, and that makes me happy.Nooooo, don't tempt fate!
If people want some relationship anguish, there's still Faye and Angus to wallow in.
Him too. Its an elder god party in my brain. And the whole world is invited!But the poor schoolgirls.
Or a sleeping montage (which I can't seem to find at the moment, but there are at least two of them) showing various characters and couples in bed, although this fan-art (http://harrysde.tumblr.com/post/99020747316/be-the-small-spoon-marten) is probably what we'll see from M&C.
Marigold and Dale (happy), Veronica and Jim (happy), Marten and Claire (happy happy happy), Faye and Pintsize (punches).
(Why yes, we are outlining future comics, what of it?)
Fate isn't likely to be tempted by that. Nobody in QC is anywhere near the level of buttmonkey that Davan McIntyre exists at. Also, nobody's died in this strip yet.That image of the two of them hand in hand and smiling just makes me feel really good about this relationship. Like this is something positive for both of them, and it's going to last, and that makes me happy.Nooooo, don't tempt fate!
If people want some relationship anguish, there's still Faye and Angus to wallow in.
Marigold and Dale (happy), Veronica and Jim (happy), Marten and Claire (happy happy happy), Faye and Pintsize (punches).
Him too. Its an elder god party in my brain. And the whole world is invited!But the poor schoolgirls.
Very good dear. And now what do you see in this (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/humor/files/2010/08/4-UR-Mental-Health-Ink-Blot-Test-Mental-Games-for-Mental-Health-humor.jpg) inkblot?
Is it me or does anyone else just see some random ink on a piece of paper?
Marigold and Dale (happy), Veronica and Jim (happy), Marten and Claire (happy happy happy), Faye and Pintsize (punches).
Or a sleeping montage (which I can't seem to find at the moment, but there are at least two of them) showing various characters and couples in bed, although this fan-art (http://harrysde.tumblr.com/post/99020747316/be-the-small-spoon-marten) is probably what we'll see from M&C.
I love that fanart.
But that's neither here nor there. I pointed out "The Little Mermaid"'s trans subtext to illuminate an interesting visual parallel to people who might not have picked up on it otherwise, not to shame trans people for existing or Disney for telling our stories. The comparison really hurts my feelings.
Oh oh fan art! I found an adorable re-draw of Martin telling Claire his feelings then kissing. Another of Martin and Claire looking at clouds, both are on DA though not sure if I'd get trouble for linking though.
although this fan-art (http://harrysde.tumblr.com/post/99020747316/be-the-small-spoon-marten) is probably what we'll see from M&C.
The times I have seen you analyze something you always seem to just state facts and observations and use them to formulate and share ideas and possible interpretations of something, but not as opinions and merely as "hey guys this could also be seen as this" or "have you ever considered this interpretation?", you don't force people to see things your way or claim everybody else is wrong if they don't see it your way or decry other points of view.
but end of the day, unless it's a conscious effort of the writer (and in the case of movies maybe writers in plural, hence more difficult to coordinate that kind of thing) its more likely that somebody wrote a story without even realizing or thinking about possible interpretations and just wanted to share a story. People will see what they want to see.
Sort of reminds you of this http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA doesn't it?And QC's blonde-haired Scandinavian bisexual character predates Elsa, so if anything it's "Frozen" that's referencing "QC".
Sort of reminds you of this http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA doesn't it?
I could say "people see what they want to see".
It seems in this forum people like to overanalyze and just contemplate alternative interpretations of things. Which is fine, it's their right. Same as its this woman's right to express what she believes to be true. But while here its done in good fun, I don't think she realizes how closed minded her perception of the world and that movie is, and how hurtful it can be.
"Reality, is that which , when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" - Philip K. Dick
While I respect her right to belief things and have a different opinion, I still find it appalling that such way of thinking is still a thing and they won't face reality.
But that's neither here nor there. I pointed out "The Little Mermaid"'s trans subtext to illuminate an interesting visual parallel to people who might not have picked up on it otherwise, not to shame trans people for existing or Disney for telling our stories. The comparison really hurts my feelings.
The times I have seen you analyze something you always seem to just state facts and observations and use them to formulate and share ideas and possible interpretations of something, but not as opinions and merely as "hey guys this could also be seen as this" or "have you ever considered this interpretation?", you don't force people to see things your way or claim everybody else is wrong if they don't see it your way or decry other points of view.
That article is a whole lot more biased opinions than actual observations and that is what I had a problem with. It's aim is not to spark a healthy discussion but to put down a whole community because of opposing beliefs. Yes, the movie could be interpreted and seen to have undertones of different things, but end of the day, unless it's a conscious effort of the writer (and in the case of movies maybe writers in plural, hence more difficult to coordinate that kind of thing) its more likely that somebody wrote a story without even realizing or thinking about possible interpretations and just wanted to share a story. People will see what they want to see.
I too find the comparison of what you do to that particular article rather...out of place and unnecessary. Like I said, the approach and tone are completely different. Just keep doing what you do, the rest of us here enjoy it immensely. :)
You don't force people to see things your way or claim everybody else is wrong if they don't see it your way or decry other points of view.
She is, specifically, Ariel, whose trans status is barely subtext:
[...]
V. Interlude. A chef tries to eat Sebastian. This scene has nothing to do with gender anything, but do note that this character is voiced by René Auberjonois, who played the shape-shifting, putatively genderless yet inexplicably consistently male-identified Constable Odo on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Also it is a fun musical number.
but end of the day, unless it's a conscious effort of the writer (and in the case of movies maybe writers in plural, hence more difficult to coordinate that kind of thing) its more likely that somebody wrote a story without even realizing or thinking about possible interpretations and just wanted to share a story. People will see what they want to see.
And that, not the the vile views in the linked article is the point.
The times I have seen you analyze something you always seem to just state facts and observations and use them to formulate and share ideas and possible interpretations of something, but not as opinions and merely as "hey guys this could also be seen as this" or "have you ever considered this interpretation?", you don't force people to see things your way or claim everybody else is wrong if they don't see it your way or decry other points of view.
That is one way to read things. What with all the weasel wordy maybe filled passive voice... Oh wait. Short declarative active voice. Hmmm.
Elsa is older than Jeph's grandparents by a significant amount of time, much less the comic itself. Did you miss The Snow Queen when doing your research on HCA?
The thing is, if you're going to approach a text that way -- interpretation and exegesis versus plain 'ol consumption -- each person's going to bring different things to the table. There are different critical methodologies that come into play even when you're not entirely conscious you're using them; there's the body of work you've engaged prior to that, whether it's web comics, music, SF, fairy tales or political theory; and there's the personal experience that changes not only your perception of the world, but also on things that either portray or comment on that world. That's not a matter of belief (or not) in reality... instead, it speaks to the ways in which each of us perceive and experience it. That's neither closed-minded nor hurtful; on the contrary, it involves being open-minded enough to consider that there are other ways of looking at something, and to consider what those things mean in the bigger picture.
Except you don't seem to respect it; "find[ing] it appaling that such a way of thinking is still a thing" -- dismissing critical thinking as an aberration -- isn't an expression of respect by any rational measure.
I'm not sure of April's precise background, but speaking as someone who majored in Lit and got in the habit very early on of citing sources that backed my opinions, I don't see these as statements of fact necessarily as the habit of someone who's used to sourcing her work to back her opinions. That's not "forc[ing] people to see things [her] way," that's just what you do when you're trying to make a point. It ought not to be necessary to place a disclaimer or special "opinion" tag on things just to avoid hurting the feelings of those who prefer not to hear someone else's opinions.
In terms of not knowing the writer's motives... well, that's exactly the point of interpretation. We don't always know. Some writers tell their stories in one dimension -- everything they intended to say is right there on the page. That kind of writer, and that kind of writing, is exceedingly rare (and exceedingly boring). From our classical literature all the way up to "Rambo" (yes, even "Rambo"), the story on the page or the screen is only part of the story; there's nuance, subtext, and sometimes entire other plots, some hidden in plain sight and others revealing themselves only after time and careful thought. Some of us enjoying the rest of the story certainly doesn't preclude you from ignoring it, thereby "seeing what you want to see." See how that works?
But at least we can agree on this much. She didn't. ;)
Faye on her own in a bar of some kind and the last panel her looking up with a surprised expression at a new male character who has stepped up and is trying to start a conversation with her.
The message? Life goes on.
Well said, RF.
"I disagree with this bit and that bit and this other thing because...." is perfectly fine. "This puts me in mind of a hateful diatribe I read once," not as much.
("RF?" Maybe I shoulda said ReindeerFlotilla instead, 'cause now I've got Randall Flagg on the brain)
I wouldn't say anything if the discussion was merely disagreement about the analysis, itself. But the discussion is edging closely to, if not trampling totally on, criticism of the analyst's motives.
I sit in absolute awe of AprilArcus.
Sort of reminds you of this http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA doesn't it?
It's not upsetting. It's just... wow, I didn't think you could REACH that level of over-analysis. ;)
That should totally be the cover of a collected volume of QC in dead tree format.
That should totally be the cover of a collected volume of QC in dead tree format.
I wouldn't say anything if the discussion was merely disagreement about the analysis, itself. But the discussion is edging closely to, if not trampling totally on, criticism of the analyst's motives.
I think the issue was more about approach than motives. Or at least that's how I perceived it. Then again somebody else might perceive it some other way. And a third would interpret the whole thing in yet another perspective. So I may be wrong. But that's part of the argument itself, people's interpretation of something and how they express it.
Never saw Pacific Rim, so I can't objectively comment on your point, might watch it sometime and see for myself :)
I did get the impression that we're now at the end of Questionable Content vol.3 and that's the cover image. We're now moving onto a new phase including (warning - wild guesses):All this and more in Questionable Content - Volume 4! [/list]
- The Chronicles of Marten and Claire;
- The Post-Angus life of Faye Whitaker;
- The Wedding That Shook Northampton (Jim and Veronica put on a party);
- The Sundering and Reconciliation of the Bianchi Children;
- What Kind of a Name for a Band is 'Deathmole'?
I make no comment on what you mean. I am telling you what I read, from many, comes across as aimed at April, not her logic. I expect I will disagree with April in the future. I don't really agree now. But her analysis is sound. If I think of a counter argument I will be comfortable stating it. Unless that happens I am going to consider the possibility that April has a point.
Sometimes subtext exists in a work even though the author had no intention of putting it there. That applies to Disney and your argument.
And Mulan has an overtly trans masculine text.Pretty much every modern adaption the Hua Mulan legend has transgender text and homoerotic subtext. The Disney version has strong female self-expression and broadly feminist themes. None of this is present in the original poem, where the main themes are patriotism and filial piety. So, referring back to that idiotic Venn-diagram quoted above, who is the "author" of the story, and what did they "mean" when they wrote it? Does the original story change in meaning because it is being read with 21st century eyes, rather than those of the 6th century when it was probably written? If it does, how decisive can the author's intent be?
I realize NemoX has already replied to this, but I'd also like to point out that it is quite possible to respect someone's right to hold a belief without in any way respecting the belief itself. 'I respect your right to believe that' means 'I don't think you should suffer legal consequences for that belief', but does not, in any way, imply ' I consider that belief to be valid, true, or accurate'.While I respect her right to belief things and have a different opinion, I still find it appalling that such way of thinking is still a thing and they won't face reality.
Except you don't seem to respect it; "find[ing] it appaling that such a way of thinking is still a thing" -- dismissing critical thinking as an aberration -- isn't an expression of respect by any rational measure.
'I respect your right to believe that' means 'I don't think you should suffer legal consequences for that belief'So "respect" means no more than "I don't think you should be flung in jail", but any insult, expression of contempt, or social ostracism short of that is just fine?
There is the matter of whether or not someone wants to create a "faithful" adaptation of a particular work, or make a re-interpretation based on their own culture and time.And where does authorial intent fit into that? Who is the author of "Throne Of Blood"; Kurosawa or Shakespeare or both?
...ultimately crowned by her submission to her proper role as a wife and mother.
And Mulan has an overtly trans masculine text.Pretty much every modern adaption the Hua Mulan legend has transgender text and homoerotic subtext. The Disney version has strong female self-expression and broadly feminist themes. None of this is present in the original poem, where the main themes are patriotism and filial piety. So, referring back to that idiotic Venn-diagram quoted above, who is the "author" of the story, and what did they "mean" when they wrote it? Does the original story change in meaning because it is being read with 21st century eyes, rather than those of the 6th century when it was probably written? If it does, how decisive can the author's intent be?
As Disney's adaption shows, we tend to see a feminist theme in the story, which the original writer certainly did not "mean" when he placed Hua's service firmly in a Confucian context of filial respect for her father and the king, ultimately crowned by her submission to her proper role as a wife and mother. Does that mean that a feminist reading is invalid? Does it mean that a "Western" non-Confucian reading, or even adaption, of the story is invalid because it does not conform to what the original author "meant"? If the answer to those questions is no, as I believe it is, what the author meant cannot be regarded as the last word. I believe one test for the worth of a work of literature, or art generally, is whether it continues to speak to people who live in a very different world from that in which it was created, but this inevitably means that its meaning will be created, at least in part, by the audience, rather than the author.
Friday's comic/poster is awwwsome.
Doesn't matter to me. The author is dead either way. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor)There is the matter of whether or not someone wants to create a "faithful" adaptation of a particular work, or make a re-interpretation based on their own culture and time.And where does authorial intent fit into that? Who is the author of "Throne Of Blood"; Kurosawa or Shakespeare or both?
Good question. And I'm not sure how to answer. Shunning/isolation is a useful extra-legal tool for dealing with totally horrible people without resorting to violence. Then again, it can also be used against innocent people, for say just being to "x" for their gender/race/class/culture/religion, etc. Which raises the question of if || when it's okay to do so. I know personally, I have no problem shunning and insulting racists/homophobes/sexists, and the like.'I respect your right to believe that' means 'I don't think you should suffer legal consequences for that belief'So "respect" means no more than "I don't think you should be flung in jail", but any insult, expression of contempt, or social ostracism short of that is just fine?
I'd say Kurosawa, but inspired by Shakespeare. It's not like Joss' "Much Ado About Nothing", or the '90s "Romeo and Juliet" where they just changed the setting, but kept the same dialogue, or various opera or theatre productions that just re-arrange what was already there. It's more about taking certain ideas and themes and then reimagining them into a different context. I don't think that I'm in a position to say whether or not "Mulan" was cultural appropriation, especially since I'm not familiar enough with the original source, or its cultural/historical context.There is the matter of whether or not someone wants to create a "faithful" adaptation of a particular work, or make a re-interpretation based on their own culture and time.And where does authorial intent fit into that? Who is the author of "Throne Of Blood"; Kurosawa or Shakespeare or both?
Good question. And I'm not sure how to answer. Shunning/isolation is a useful extra-legal tool for dealing with totally horrible people without resorting to violence. Then again, it can also be used against innocent people, for say just being to "x" for their gender/race/class/culture/religion, etc. Which raises the question of if || when it's okay to do so. I know personally, I have no problem shunning and insulting racists/homophobes/sexists, and the like.
Um . . . there are some pretty deep and weighty discussions here. I'm just here because I like a webcomic about romance, technology, and weird references to obscure bands.
And where does authorial intent fit into that? Who is the author of "Throne Of Blood"; Kurosawa or Shakespeare or both?I'd say Kurosawa, but inspired by Shakespeare. It's not like Joss' "Much Ado About Nothing", or the '90s "Romeo and Juliet" where they just changed the setting, but kept the same dialogue, or various opera or theatre productions that just re-arrange what was already there. It's more about taking certain ideas and themes and then reimagining them into a different context.
I think there was a missed opportunity here. I imagine a more positive version of this conversation could have played out like this:
valkygrrl: April, your forceful, declarative rhetoric is giving me the impression that you believe that your reading is the only valid one. I would prefer to just watch a movie and not try to look for politics everywhere.
April: I'm sorry my style hurt your feelings! Analyzing fiction is fun for me, and speaking forcefully is how I speak when I'm trying to make a point. I don't mean to take anything away from the way you like to enjoy your media. I'm curious, did you think my interpretation was off-base for any particular reason, or just a reach too far?
and then we'd have been talking to each other like adults, instead of lobbing snark bombs.
I know that valkygrrl doesn't care for my flavor of feminism or my gender politics. We've talked about it in private to the extent that that was useful, and I would like to think that these are things that reasonable people can disagree about. Why take potshots? If something I said upset you, just say so plainly and let's see if we can't come to an understanding.
If we're going to speak about private discussions, 'as long as it was useful' ended with flinging some words that you consider Bad Things at me and then ignoring my answer. I was given to understand _that_ was to be the pattern for interactions.
I am offended you would consider Emily to be anything more than a loving homage to Kasuga Ayumu, April. I mean, she's most certainly not as awesome.
I recall us going back and forth for six rounds (and 3600 words between the two of us) before I decided I had nothing to say that would move you, and didn't want to hear more from you that would hurt me.
I recall us going back and forth for six rounds (and 3600 words between the two of us) before I decided I had nothing to say that would move you, and didn't want to hear more from you that would hurt me.
And the things you said were what? All hearts and flowers? What did you expect out of future interactions?
Let's just agree to leave each other alone, okay? Keep on squeeing. There is enough room in this forum for both of us.
Marigold and Dale (happy), Veronica and Jim (happy), Marten and Claire (happy happy happy), Faye and Pintsize (punches).
I'm an old softie but I'd like the last panel to be divided in two: Faye on her own in a bar of some kind and the last panel her looking up with a surprised expression at a new male character who has stepped up and is trying to start a conversation with her.
The message? Life goes on.
Let's just agree to leave each other alone, okay? Keep on squeeing. There is enough room in this forum for both of us.
Now now, we can all be friends and settle these little tiffs reasonably.
*holds up a two battle spatulas.*
"The winner is in the right. May the odds be ever in your favor."
[Marten and Claire will] probably take things slow, but I can still see them spending a few nights together before getting too intimate).
I'll see your battle spatulas and raise you one war ladle.
*holds up a two battle spatulas.*
Be a good little woman and back away so my betters can talk about politics? Sorry, not going to stand back so you can dominate the threads. If another POV needs to be offered, it'll be offered.
[Marten and Claire will] probably take things slow, but I can still see them spending a few nights together before getting too intimate).
That would be pretty unremarkable, as QC relationships go
In the other hand, Dale and Marigold; Steve and Cosette*, and Veronica and Jim, all three couples got to bonin' pretty quickly.
I normally use Kukris for this sort of thing, but battles to the death with Malaysian battle spatulas is a forum tradition.
Be a good little woman and back away so my betters can talk about politics? Sorry, not going to stand back so you can dominate the threads. If another POV needs to be offered, it'll be offered.What the actual fuck?
Why did your "POV" that my commentary was reminiscent of a homophobic "well behaved mormon woman (http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html#.VFxU9zSH-NA)" "need to be offered"? Why not link The Slant's article (http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/frozen-2013)? Or Fandoms and Feminism's (http://fandomsandfeminism.tumblr.com/post/68687586103/be-the-good-girl-you-always-have-to-be-is)? Or The Daily Dot's (http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/disney-frozen-lgbtqia-reading-elsa-tumblr/)? Or After Ellen's (http://www.afterellen.com/what-gay-girls-can-get-from-frozen/02/2014/)? There were four ways to make the exact same point without placing my rhetorical style beside a horrible bigot's.
Please. Leave. Me. Alone. Say whatever you want about the stubborn, hypercritical, hair-splitting wrongness of my arguments, but leave me out of it.
Single minded zealotry.
For some reason I read that my comment put you in an uncomfortable spot Gladstone. If that's the case I'm sorry. I was just trying to make a point and lighten the mood, and I though a bit of crassness would help.
Single minded zealotry.
Do you really not see the difference between arguing against the thing that was said and attacking the person who said it?
Perhaps it's time for a separate thread? Anyone else's posts seem to be getting swamped in the turbulence at the confluence of the Exegesis and Response rivers.
NOTE: Not a mod, don't even play one on TV.
Good question. And I'm not sure how to answer. Shunning/isolation is a useful extra-legal tool for dealing with totally horrible people without resorting to violence. Then again, it can also be used against innocent people, for say just being to "x" for their gender/race/class/culture/religion, etc. Which raises the question of if || when it's okay to do so. I know personally, I have no problem shunning and insulting racists/homophobes/sexists, and the like.'I respect your right to believe that' means 'I don't think you should suffer legal consequences for that belief'So "respect" means no more than "I don't think you should be flung in jail", but any insult, expression of contempt, or social ostracism short of that is just fine?
The Mormon woman said, you're enjoying a movie OMG don't know know you should be talking about the evil gay agenda.And... We're supposed to see these statements as completely equivalent?
You said, hey a funny reference to a guest strip OMG you should talk about trans themes in fish related media.
I'll put my lurking hand up and say that valkygrrl needs to back off. Other people declared to enjoy April's input, you're welcome to ignore it if it's not your cup of tea. As it stands, I do not appreciate reading your harassment when she is clearly trying to not engage with you/certainly not in any way attacking you.
I think it's a sign I'm getting old when I see chain of conversation I want to engage on (especially the original story of Hua Mulan) and just say to myself "Nah. Akima will get it."
'I respect your right to that belief' is not the same statement as 'I respect that belief'. The former, as I noted, states only one thing, although usually 'legal sanction' is expanded to include things like opposing private employment and housing discrimination based on e.g. religion.'I respect your right to believe that' means 'I don't think you should suffer legal consequences for that belief'So "respect" means no more than "I don't think you should be flung in jail", but any insult, expression of contempt, or social ostracism short of that is just fine?