THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)

Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Border Reiver on 29 Nov 2014, 15:33

Title: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 29 Nov 2014, 15:33
It's been a while since I did one of these, but will I be able to modify the poll daily like I used to?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Nov 2014, 15:45
It won't be a popular choice but, just to reject the obvious, I'm selecting that Dora and Sven engage in a long-overdue attempt to interact with each other as adults.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Nov 2014, 16:02
I think we're squee'd out on Marten and Claire at the moment, and everything's been downgraded to a reasonable amount of d'awww.  Which is fine.  Don't want to overdo it, after all--if that date had gone on another full week they would probably become the Most Hated Couple in the strip (due to jealousy, at least on my part).  So I voted for Faye and Angus, although in the event that they already talked my second vote goes to Dora and Sven.

...but I am a bit curious about Claire's look in panel 1 of 2842 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2842).  Tired from the date?  Concerned?  Contemplative?  Basically, WHY ISN'T SHE DANCING WITH JOY? is what I'm asking.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Nov 2014, 18:33
...but I am a bit curious about Claire's look in panel 1 of 2842 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2842).  Tired from the date?  Concerned?  Contemplative?  Basically, WHY ISN'T SHE DANCING WITH JOY? is what I'm asking.

She didn't have her glasses on and thought Dora confessed to her. She's too embarrassed to mention it so now she's stuck with Marten.

Honest mistake.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Nov 2014, 18:45
She was sad that she had to stop the date night to go home, where she lives with her mother. She did express frustration about that earlier.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Nov 2014, 18:48
Nope, sorry, Rghfrgl's answer is my new headcanon now.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Nov 2014, 00:09
...but I am a bit curious about Claire's look in panel 1 of 2842 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2842).  Tired from the date?  Concerned?  Contemplative?  Basically, WHY ISN'T SHE DANCING WITH JOY? is what I'm asking.

It isn't as funny but my guess is that she was worried her mother would be angry that she stayed out late without telling her why. I think that it will be a shock for Claire to learn just how much independence her mother will give her. Clinton will not approve.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: swapna on 30 Nov 2014, 09:51
I don't think Claire's mom is controlling or anything, or won't give her space. I think the reason why Claire's looking less than dance-y is because she does expect a bit of prodding and teasing, and also (probably) because she doesn't want to admit to her mom how thankful she is for her extensive meddling (would YOU want to admit it, especially considering her first reaction of 'what the hell?')
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 30 Nov 2014, 12:56
Agreed. I'm seeing it as, "Here comes mom in smug mode." Considering panels 2 and 3 are basically that, panel 4 makes a lot of sense. Viewed from the perspective of a self satisfied mom, she may not have said anything, but it doesn't mean she didn't not say anything very loudly.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Nov 2014, 13:43
It's been a while since I did one of these, but will I be able to modify the poll daily like I used to?

You should definitely be able to edit. Alert me if there's a problem.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 30 Nov 2014, 14:55

It's been a while since I did one of these, but will I be able to modify the poll daily like I used to?

You should definitely be able to edit. Alert me if there's a problem.

Excellent.  Monday will be acid test.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 30 Nov 2014, 16:37
whee. i know it's early, but i'm wondering what xmas/new years shenanigans will happen with harriet et al
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Nov 2014, 18:27
Comic.

Looks like Angus got stuffed on the bus off-panel.

Meanwhile, can't tell who Marten is responding to in panel 4...
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 30 Nov 2014, 18:31
Looks like Angus got stuffed on the bus off-panel.

Put onto a bus. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Nov 2014, 18:32
Forcibly stuffed.

Into the luggage bin underneath.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 30 Nov 2014, 18:44
Comic.

Looks like Angus got stuffed on the bus off-panel.

Meanwhile, can't tell who Marten is responding to in panel 4...
Faye's Southern Comfort pun.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 30 Nov 2014, 18:48
I think it may be too early to assume Angus has departed Northampton.

I would, however, be happy if he's already been bused out of QC. In this newer, less talky era his work as a character is done.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Nov 2014, 18:53
Meanwhile, can't tell who Marten is responding to in panel 4...
Faye's Southern Comfort pun.

That was one of my guesses, but he seemed to be looking towards Pintsize, so I wasn't entirely sure.  Either Claire would've liked being offered sexual comfort (which her steamed reaction in 2838 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2838) seemed to indicate), or she would've liked the Southern Comfort pun, or she would've liked some Southern Comfort of her own, since she's finally awakened (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2400).  Or she wanted comfort from Faye.  THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES.

EDIT: And if I had READ THE TITLE, I wouldn't have wasted all this time wondering.  Carry on.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Blackbird on 30 Nov 2014, 20:43
That was one of my guesses, but he seemed to be looking towards Pintsize, so I wasn't entirely sure.  Either Claire would've liked being offered sexual comfort (which her steamed reaction in 2838 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2838) seemed to indicate), or she would've liked the Southern Comfort pun, or she would've liked some Southern Comfort of her own, since she's finally awakened (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2400).  Or she wanted comfort from Faye.  THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITIES.

EDIT: And if I had READ THE TITLE, I wouldn't have wasted all this time wondering.  Carry on.

I don't know. The title could also refer to Pintsize's comments....
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 30 Nov 2014, 20:45
Mhmm. It can be read as delightfully vague. I just prefer it applying to the pun because the title is otherwise mean.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: T on 30 Nov 2014, 21:30
What if Pintsize was just trying to offer her his newest product? Singing dildos!

Or did he modded himself using video games controllers parts to allow him to vibrate?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Nov 2014, 21:37
Vibration mode is already a feature (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=396).
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2014, 22:07
She's better off at home


After all, she may have wanted to stuff him UNDER the Bus
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 30 Nov 2014, 22:15
[...]or she would've liked some Southern Comfort of her own, since she's finally awakened (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2400). 

If she's awakened, she'll be drinking Scotch, not horrible, horrible Sudden Comfort! :P
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Nov 2014, 22:36
She has drunk The Water of Life!!




Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Glenfiddich
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Nov 2014, 22:54
Well, Jeph did the one thing that no-one expected and carried on from where he left off. Well played, sir!

Marten, I think, was overstating the punniness of Faye's slap-down of Pintsize. Like any good boyfriend, he sees similarities to his girlfriend everywhere!

Now, I wonder if Jeph is going to contrast Claire with Dora. Dora freaked out at Marten giving Faye his attention when she needed a friend. Claire has her own anxiety issues; how will she react to Marten hugging Faye in public? Especially in a way that she might interpret as 'intimate'?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: kiss-o-kill on 30 Nov 2014, 23:11
didn't this exact conversation happen before only replacing 'Claire' with Dora and 'Angus' with Sven?

or i'm sorry is this a running gag too
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: T on 30 Nov 2014, 23:19
Vibration mode is already a feature (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=396).
Os that a mod or does they all come with that feature? I guess the inevitable really is inevitable.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: osaka on 30 Nov 2014, 23:38
I just want to say that Jeph won QC Captions too. Put those lines on wednesday's comic and it works just as fine.

Kinda feel bad for Faye, but it's not like we didn't know she was about to feel bad anyways.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 01 Dec 2014, 00:28
So in what sequence exactly do I have to read the last square on todays comic, and to what exactly does Marten refer to ?

I can read it as I usually would, top to bottom, left to right:

Pintsize: If you need sexual comforting, I am here for you
Marten: Oooh nice, Claire would have liked that one
Faye: The only comfort I need is of the southern variety

This makes no sense whatsoever to me. Marten wouldnt have said that.

I can also read it as strictly left to right:

Pintsize: If you need sexual comforting, I am here for you
Faye: The only comfort I need is of the southern variety
Marten: Oooh nice, Claire would have liked that one

That makes a bit more more sense, but still not really sense. What exactly is Marten refering to ? Something else that "southern comfort" can be in the english language - something that I, not being a native englishspeaker, am simply missing ?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Akima on 01 Dec 2014, 00:30
Marten is admiring Faye's play on the word Comfort. But it is by Claire's standards a very weak pun; not one that would produce groans and projectile vomiting.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: osaka on 01 Dec 2014, 00:49
Wow, it indeed is too early in the morning for I hadn't caught that.

And why do you think Claire wouldn't have liked it? It could be used as a kickstart for worse punning.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Dec 2014, 01:12
This has been the most 'old-school' type QC we've had for MONTHS.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Dec 2014, 02:16
Southern Comfort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Comfort) is a liqueur, which Faye is presumably drinking.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 01 Dec 2014, 02:18
What's coming up this week?

Faye and Angus talk- 11 (25%)
Faye and Sven "talk"- 2 (4.5%)
Dora and Sven talk- 4 (9.1%)
More Marten/Claire squeeefest- 3 (6.8%)
Wait a minute, is that Penny and Wil?- 7 (15.9%)
Sara?- 2 (4.5%)
Whatever Jeph wants- 7 (15.9%)
Rocks fall, everybody dies- 8 (18.2%)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Dec 2014, 02:29
Southern Comfort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Comfort) is a liqueur, which Faye is presumably drinking.

It's shite booze, though.  Not quite on the level of only being good for stripping paint, but close.  (As a side-note, for camera lenses and such, really shitty vodka is cheaper than, and as effective as dedicated optical cleaning solutions).
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Dec 2014, 02:55
By the way, it's actually "my buddy Jack Daniels, and his partner Jimmy Beam."
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 01 Dec 2014, 03:07
Southern Comfort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Comfort) is a liqueur, which Faye is presumably drinking.

It's shite booze, though.

QFT!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: A Duck on 01 Dec 2014, 04:10
I think it may be too early to assume Angus has departed Northampton.

I would, however, be happy if he's already been bused out of QC. In this newer, less talky era his work as a character is done.

You bring up an interesting point... I've been rereading the archives on my procrastination time recently and older comics are notably "wordier" than more recent ones. In fact, the past year in particular seems notably quieter than before.

Not only I see more use of a "show, don't tell" philosopy, but it seems the pace of the comic slowed down considerably.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Dec 2014, 04:12
Southern Comfort (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Comfort) is a liqueur, which Faye is presumably drinking.

It's shite booze, though.  Not quite on the level of only being good for stripping paint, but close.

Well, of course. You don't want to use the good stuff to drink yourself into oblivion. You use the good stufff to enhance an already pleasant mood.

Really fine scotch, for example, is ideal for sitting by the fire reading a good book while snow falls outside.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 01 Dec 2014, 04:26
Really good scotch is one of the few drinks I know that does NOT make me crave entertainment, actually. I'm happy just drinking it - hopefully in the company of good friends.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Dec 2014, 04:31
Good friends, or the right music.  Fine whisky, (Either Scottish or Japanese), Mahler on vinyl, and a Cuban cigar is pure bliss.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 01 Dec 2014, 05:51
What's coming up this week?

Faye and Angus talk- 11 (25%)
Faye and Sven "talk"- 2 (4.5%)
Dora and Sven talk- 4 (9.1%)
More Marten/Claire squeeefest- 3 (6.8%)
Wait a minute, is that Penny and Wil?- 7 (15.9%)
Sara?- 2 (4.5%)
Whatever Jeph wants- 7 (15.9%)
Rocks fall, everybody dies- 8 (18.2%)
Oh. My. God !

My vote was so early, it was actually counted !

I think that never happened before.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 01 Dec 2014, 08:06
I think we're squee'd out on Marten and Claire at the moment, and everything's been downgraded to a reasonable amount of d'awww.  Which is fine.  Don't want to overdo it, after all--if that date had gone on another full week they would probably become the Most Hated Couple in the strip (due to jealousy, at least on my part).  So I voted for Faye and Angus, although in the event that they already talked my second vote goes to Dora and Sven.

...but I am a bit curious about Claire's look in panel 1 of 2842 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2842).  Tired from the date?  Concerned?  Contemplative?  Basically, WHY ISN'T SHE DANCING WITH JOY? is what I'm asking.

Down from the high of the date.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 01 Dec 2014, 12:49

By the way, it's actually "my buddy Jack Daniels, and his partner Jimmy Beam."

So long as I can have a drink with my dear old Granddad.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 01 Dec 2014, 14:43
This is reminding me of:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Dec 2014, 17:30
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Dec 2014, 17:43
New comic...

... and I'm not entirely certain if that's Marigold's or Pintsize's, but it's rather horrifying in either case.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ysth on 01 Dec 2014, 17:57
I assume it's gotten mixed in from a stranger during the laundering process (e.g. someone else left it in the dryer and Hanners didn't notice when she put her stuff in).

Hannelore has come a long way; back in the day she would have scrubbed all her fingers raw, not just thrown the clothes away.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 01 Dec 2014, 18:10
Comic!

<edit>Arrg, beaten to the punch. :-\

It's definitely a stranger's pair, the only cast member who has a booty that would fit in those is Marigold, and she doesn't live in Hanner's building
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 01 Dec 2014, 18:15
Mercifully, she can afford to replace her wardrobe in its entirety. Juicy might want her panties back, though.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: MrNumbers on 01 Dec 2014, 18:18
I think it shows a lot of character growth that she had the restraint to give them to Goodwill, rather than incinerating them immediately.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Dec 2014, 18:23
Well, if they went through Hanners' laundry, they're sterile enough to use in surgery.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Dec 2014, 18:29
A rather charitable young lady.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 01 Dec 2014, 18:43
 Poll
So, the only comfort you need is "southern"?  Then
Will you seek additional solace from Jim Beam, or Jack Daniels?- 6 (22.2%)
Will Arthur Giuness be ignored?- 2 (7.4%)
Can Alexander Keith help?- 1 (3.7%)
Is it going to get that far?  - 3 (11.1%)
How's Angus taking it?- 11 (40.7%)
Does Renee get a second chance?- 4 (14.8%)

Apparently, we'd like to know how Angus is taking it.  Personally, I think he's in much worse shape than Faye is now, but will bounce back faster.

And in a few minutes, something different.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Dec 2014, 18:55
For some reason I thought that the apartments in that building had their own washer/dryer units. Because I find it hard to believe that Hannelore would use a washing machine that someone else had used.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Dec 2014, 18:57
Option #7: Hanners...wonders how she'll look as a juicy ninja (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=941).
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 01 Dec 2014, 19:01
For some reason I thought that the apartments in that building had their own washer/dryer units. Because I find it hard to believe that Hannelore would use a washing machine that someone else had used.

If the apartment building has communal washers, I'd put money on Hanners buying and installing her own washer and dryer.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 01 Dec 2014, 19:03
Marigold's been doin' it everywhere (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2783) though.

Everywhere.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Estron on 01 Dec 2014, 19:13
Oh my!  Juicy what Jeph did there?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lot_jockey on 01 Dec 2014, 19:25
Comic!

<edit>Arrg, beaten to the punch. :-\

It's definitely a stranger's pair, the only cast member who has a booty that would fit in those is Marigold, and she doesn't live in Hanner's building

Faye could probably fit in them, too.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 01 Dec 2014, 19:49
Yeah, but Faye wouldn't be caught dead in those, let alone alive.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Dec 2014, 19:53
Schrödinger's undies?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 01 Dec 2014, 21:04
Nah, more likely Pintsize's.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: stephber on 01 Dec 2014, 21:11
I think it shows a lot of character growth that she had the restraint to give them to Goodwill, rather than incinerating them immediately.

That bag seems awfully full - is she giving them everything that was in that load of laundry? (Her own clothes included?)

At least she didn't set them on fire.....  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 01 Dec 2014, 21:45
Hanners then goes shopping, sees something nice and asks if she can try it on. She's told of course, so she puts it back and leaves the store. This continues all around town until someone says no and she knows it's safe to buy from them.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 01 Dec 2014, 21:50
She knows they are not hers because of the text on them.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Dec 2014, 22:53
It's definitely a stranger's pair, the only cast member who has a booty that would fit in those is Marigold, and she doesn't live in Hanner's building

It might be Marigold's. It strikes me as the sort of thing that she'd buy in an ill-advised moment of trying to flaunt her newfound sexuality. She probably looked at it in the cold, hard light of day and thought: "God! What was I thinking?" It ended up at the bottom of her undies drawer until a washing machine fault brought it to Hannelore's apartment.

Either way, though, I can't see poor Hanners ever being able to look at the contents of that wash again! I wonder if we're going to follow Hannelore whist she shops for a replacement underwear supply including the only occasionally bad advice she gets from her friends (including Veronica)?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hakko504 on 01 Dec 2014, 22:55
I think it shows a lot of character growth that she had the restraint to give them to Goodwill, rather than incinerating them immediately.

That bag seems awfully full - is she giving them everything that was in that load of laundry? (Her own clothes included?)
Most likely so.

Sent from my Xperia Z3

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Dec 2014, 23:06
She knows they are not hers because of the text on them.
And the size.  Those would slide right off Hanners if she tried to put them on.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 02 Dec 2014, 00:15
She doesn't?

EDIT: I'm sure I posted this further upthread, but apparently not. It was a response to SubaruStephen's "[Marigold] doesn't live in Hanner's building". I thought she did.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Akima on 02 Dec 2014, 00:57
really shitty vodka is cheaper than, and as effective as, dedicated optical cleaning solutions).
It is good for cleaning decanters too.

If Hanners could bring herself to use communal laundry facilities, I would be very surprised; they are usually pretty grody. If she did use them, I would imagine that she would inspect the inside of the drum with a torch (USA: flashlight, not a burning brand). It really is a mystery how the luridly coloured panties got in there.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Dec 2014, 01:39
It really is a mystery how the luridly coloured panties got in there.

My guess is still that Marigold's washing machine broke down (possibly as a result of May trying to wash the sticky stuff off of her flexible outer sheath a few strips back) and that said pair of novelty panties (bought, quickly regretted and never worn but kept out of laziness) got mixed into Hanners' stuff through some unlikely confluence of events.
Title: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bradknowles on 02 Dec 2014, 10:07
I dunno. Angus could have bought those for Faye, and now that he's gone, she could have thrown them out -- and they got mixed into Hanners laundry.

Or maybe Pintsize is being particularly cruel?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 02 Dec 2014, 12:44
Knowing the layout of the apartments, I can't imagine they have ensuite washer/dryer set ups. Since Hanners's has lived there for quite a while, one must assume that she is perfectly capable of using the building's laundry, assuming it has one. Occam's Razor. Absent other evidence, the simplest explanation (She had one of those laundry moments that happen in all shared laundries) is probably the truth. She has her issues, but she's also an ex smoker.

A girl has to have some glaring contradictions. Apparently.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Dec 2014, 13:17
We've seen the apartment's shared laundry room ("no drying after 10"). I'm haunted by a vague uncertain memory of seeing a washing machine in the background in Hannelore's apartment when Marten caught her posing with underwear on her head.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Dec 2014, 17:54
That was a bed.

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=941 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=941)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Dec 2014, 18:14
New comic.

And I guess that answers the question of whose that was. And gives Hannelore a nemesis.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Dec 2014, 18:15
Hanners has found her nemesis!

This is probably how Captain Ahab got his start.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Dec 2014, 18:17
 The body was never found.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Dec 2014, 18:19
*Eye Lazers Activate*
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Dec 2014, 18:25
Her mother has people who deal with this sort of thing.

That person being alt-Hannelore (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1662), of course.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Dec 2014, 18:27
"Oh, mah gawd, Becky, look at her butt."
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Dec 2014, 18:28
Conspiracy theory: Alt-Hannelore dyed her hair, put on weight and started wearing colored contact lenses to drive Hannelore into her destiny as a serial killer.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Blackbird on 02 Dec 2014, 18:33
Hanners has found her nemesis!

This is probably how Captain Ahab got his start.

Juicy's a little heavy, but calling her a white whale seems mean.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Dec 2014, 18:44
Juicy's a little heavy, but calling her a white whale seems mean.  :claireface:

She's got less junk in the trunk than the horse that nearly bit my finger off when I was ten.  That would've been my white whale, although I'm glad it wasn't, because swearing vengeance on an equine isn't nearly as cool, and nobody wants to read a book called Horsey-Dick.

Well, nobody I want to know, at least.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: jwhouk on 02 Dec 2014, 18:48
Why was my first thought, "Someone's credit score is about to be ruined"?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Natswash on 02 Dec 2014, 18:49
This is it, this is Hanner's start of darkness (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StartOfDarkness) (Tvtropes Warning)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 02 Dec 2014, 19:07
New comic.

And I guess that answers the question of whose that was. And gives Hannelore a nemesis.

And frankly no need to modify the poll today.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 02 Dec 2014, 19:10
I'm imagining her talking about something completely inane in a loud, obnoxious voice as she passes Hanners.

Way to go Jeph!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: theMarc on 02 Dec 2014, 19:45
Oh, Hanners, please don't murder.  You wouldn't look good in an orange jumpsuit.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 02 Dec 2014, 20:19
Anyone else hoping "Juicy" isn't a new ongoing character?  We already have too many characters who need to reappear, especially since we're still waiting for the fallout of Dora disowning Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rimwolf on 02 Dec 2014, 20:22
Juicy, you've got some splainin to do!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: St.Clair on 02 Dec 2014, 20:35
Oh, Hanners, please don't murder.  You wouldn't look good in an orange jumpsuit.

There will be no forensic evidence.  None.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 02 Dec 2014, 20:49
Why was my first thought, "Someone's credit score is about to be ruined"?

Her identity won't be stolen. It'll be erased. She will never have existed.

... Naw, Juicy and Hanners will be besties.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DonInKansas on 02 Dec 2014, 21:10

She's got less junk in the trunk than the horse that nearly bit my finger off when I was ten.  That would've been my white whale, although I'm glad it wasn't, because swearing vengeance on an equine isn't nearly as cool, and nobody wants to read a book called Horsey-Dick.

Well, nobody I want to know, at least.

Rule 34 likely disagrees with you.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 02 Dec 2014, 22:41
I wonder how accurate the tungsten rod is to a walking person on the ground. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2468)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Dec 2014, 23:08
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Dec 2014, 23:31
Ah! So that's 'Juicy'! You're got to wonder what manner of woman has a nickname like that and has it added even to her underthings!

I don't think that Hannelore will commit violence; she's too wary of her darker impulses to risk getting into a fight. I also doubt that Juicy is a new character; she's clearly a nocturnal person, given that Hanners has never seen her before. That said, I'm wondering if a brief period of trying to get even (in a passive-aggressive way) may lead her to learning something new about the human condition. Maybe even a new step only her path to getting closer to 'normal', at as she sees it.

Yes, I think that we're at the start of a new long arc. This makes sense as Jeph lost a day to unforeseen circumstances, so Monday's strip should have been Friday's.

Finally, I don't think that Beatrice will be involved unless Jeph wants to play with my theory about her, Veronica and Mrs A being college buddies. Hannelore doesn't really like her and wouldn't involve her except in extreme circumstances. Of course, who knows what Hanners may see as 'extreme'? :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 02 Dec 2014, 23:38
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

QC has never been one to be bothered with "semantics."
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Dec 2014, 23:38
Oh, Hanners, please don't murder.  You wouldn't look good in an orange jumpsuit.

There will be no forensic evidence.  None.

Nor any witnesses.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Storel on 02 Dec 2014, 23:59
Juicy, you've got some splainin to do!

Haha, being old enough to remember "I Love Lucy" finally pays off.  :-D

Nice one, Rimwolf!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Akima on 03 Dec 2014, 00:29
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.
Orbital bombardment does not need to be accurate. How about that? I'm sure that Hanners can call, at need, on a full spectrum of threats. There is no need to devastate a street to eliminate one fashion don't who is careless with her knickers.

Ms. Juicy has a serious pink problem. And an even worse matchy-matchy (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/matchy-matchy) problem.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2014, 00:33
I'm thinking that Hanners, being Hanners, will stalk Juicy for a while whilst trying to decide how to get her revenge. Because Juicy moves in a totally different culture from her, Hannelore is going to encounter a totally different world from any she's previously seen in real life. This will lead her to new insights, new impulses and possibly weird-sounding questions and requests to her friends.

FAYE: "Hanners, why have you got a dancing pole set up in your apartment?"
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 03 Dec 2014, 00:33
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

Why not?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: GarandMarine on 03 Dec 2014, 01:55
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

QC has never been one to be bothered with "semantics."

Dropping a tungsten rod on a specific set of 9 digit GPS coordinates from orbit is extremely accurate. Even if the kinetic energy from such a weapon's taking out the city block.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: theMarc on 03 Dec 2014, 02:06
Hang on, I just had a thought.  What if Hanners finally takes May up on her offer (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2760)?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: anahata on 03 Dec 2014, 02:46
May is supposed to be on her best behaviour, which, at a guess, excludes killing people.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: techkid on 03 Dec 2014, 04:13
Considering what May comes up with on her own devices (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2498), she can probably cause enough trouble for "Juicy" without resorting to murder.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: dexeron on 03 Dec 2014, 07:16
Hanners has finally found her Dinkleberg.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bradknowles on 03 Dec 2014, 08:23

Ah! So that's 'Juicy'! You're got to wonder what manner of woman has a nickname like that and has it added even to her underthings!

You've heard of the brand "Juicy Couture", haven't you? They put that word on EVERYTHING.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bradknowles on 03 Dec 2014, 08:26

I wonder how accurate the tungsten rod is to a walking person on the ground. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2468)

The first thought that occurred to me as I saw that panel was "Don't go there. Station would actually do it if you asked, but you can calculate what the collateral damage would be -- and how messy that would be."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Dec 2014, 12:55
That all depends on the results you're after



Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Skewbrow on 03 Dec 2014, 14:13
I'm not sure we will ever see Juicy again. This may have been an interlude / one off joke based on something that happened to Jeph hiimself or one of his friends. Not unlike the strip when Faye had an accident because she didn't see that Angus had left the seat cover up. Of course, if Jeph decides to run with it, we will get Juicy LOLs.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 03 Dec 2014, 14:49

Ah! So that's 'Juicy'! You're got to wonder what manner of woman has a nickname like that and has it added even to her underthings!

You've heard of the brand "Juicy Couture", haven't you? They put that word on EVERYTHING.



Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's just one of those people who just have to wear entire outfits from a single company.  The chances of her name actually being Juicy are pretty slim.

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2014, 15:07

Ah! So that's 'Juicy'! You're got to wonder what manner of woman has a nickname like that and has it added even to her underthings!

You've heard of the brand "Juicy Couture", haven't you? They put that word on EVERYTHING.

Actually, no, I haven't. Being male, unattached and in Britain, I think I am pretty much out of range of this particular brand.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ysth on 03 Dec 2014, 15:29
Didn't know about the brand and didn't think it was her name; assumed it was a self-descriptive adjective.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 03 Dec 2014, 15:44

Ah! So that's 'Juicy'! You're got to wonder what manner of woman has a nickname like that and has it added even to her underthings!

You've heard of the brand "Juicy Couture", haven't you? They put that word on EVERYTHING.

Actually, no, I haven't. Being male, unattached and in Britain, I think I am pretty much out of range of this particular brand.

Associated with chav culture.....ring a bell?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Natswash on 03 Dec 2014, 16:22
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

I'm putting that in my signature
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lummo on 03 Dec 2014, 16:26
I'm certain "Juicy Couture" would be available near  Camden Lock.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 03 Dec 2014, 17:12
I like how Hannelore gives her old clothes a fond farewell before sending them on their journey into the unknown.

Now we need a comic where 'Juicy' sees her old panties somewhere completely inappropriate.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 03 Dec 2014, 17:22
Or a NASA-clean pair of undies that can't possibly fit her.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 03 Dec 2014, 17:24
Given Jeph's fascination with such, I'm surprised Juicy didn't let out a big juicy parrrrrrrp as she walked by.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 03 Dec 2014, 17:29
I'm not sure we will ever see Juicy again.

Poor juicy, put on the bus already.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Dec 2014, 17:36
Now we need a comic where 'Juicy' sees her old panties somewhere completely inappropriate.
Pintsize makes a trip to Goodwill for a new leotard?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Zebediah on 03 Dec 2014, 17:40
There is no place that is appropriate for those panties except the incinerator.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: katsmeat on 03 Dec 2014, 17:45
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

QC has never been one to be bothered with "semantics."

Dropping a tungsten rod on a specific set of 9 digit GPS coordinates from orbit is extremely accurate. Even if the kinetic energy from such a weapon's taking out the city block.

Actually no. I once did a back-of the envelope calculation for orbital bombardment after seeing a bit of some movie in which one took out Paris. The energy from a mass of tungsten rod is give-or-take, sort-of,  the same as the same mass of TNT.  Which makes sense as it's energy ultimate derives from burning about 15 times it's mass in rocket propellent to get it up there.

I imagine that's why it's never been done, you might as well just drop the same weight of bombs from an aircraft. Something, Hanner's mother might actually be able to arrange if asked.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 03 Dec 2014, 18:10
To me accuracy is taking out a human sized target with no damage to anything or anyone around it. Which is almost impossible when dropping something from space, because the atmosphere will burn off enough of the object to either knock it off course or burn up entirely. In order to have enough mass to reach the target in one piece, it'd be too big to avoid causing collateral damage.


The only thing close to accurately here is getting it in the right zip code.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: GarandMarine on 03 Dec 2014, 18:16
I think putting a 500lb bomb through a window's damn accurate myself personally.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: katsmeat on 03 Dec 2014, 18:36
[ movie clip]

Goodness, when those particular satellites release something, it just drops.

That must make space-walks a hairy experience.

< airplane geek > Was that an Me 109 at  0m.40s? How strange < / airplane geek >
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 03 Dec 2014, 18:44
Some people decorate a room with paintings, others use aircraft, don't judge.
Me, I'm fond of car grilles.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Dec 2014, 19:13
New comic.

And I guess that answers the question of whose that was. And gives Hannelore a nemesis.
Comic's up...

...and has Jeph been reading this thread?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Dec 2014, 19:16
Well, she *could* probably afford to fulfil that dream if she really wanted to, and her friends were up to it.  It'd change the tone of the comic too much, though.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 03 Dec 2014, 19:31
The space station was kind of like a mansion, and the hunter-killer droids occasionally moonlight as butlers...
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: mustang6172 on 03 Dec 2014, 20:14
Is Hannelore Pizza Girl?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 03 Dec 2014, 20:17
Nope
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 03 Dec 2014, 20:22
Anyone else think a comic composed entirely of Hannelore's fantasies would be cool?  The Amazing Mental Adventures of Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham(in ViviColour)!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 03 Dec 2014, 20:26
We already have something like that, it's called "the Boat ride from the first Charley and the Chocolate Factory movie.".

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lot_jockey on 03 Dec 2014, 21:35
New comic.

And I guess that answers the question of whose that was. And gives Hannelore a nemesis.
Comic's up...

...and has Jeph been reading this thread?  :psyduck:

I feel like this episode is another time where an accident happened (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1153) and Hanners is overreacting slightly. No one means to put her underwear in someone else's laundry! I really doubt the previously unknown "Juicy" girl knew of Hannelore's neuroses and wanted to cause Hanners to throw out all of her clothing. Accordingly, this talk of a "nemesis" seems a bit much.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Dec 2014, 21:38
But she's craaaazzzzyyyyy.  And as kind and sweet as normal Hanners is, there *is* her dark subconscious, which is probably talking right now, 'specially about the "nemesis" thing.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Indicible on 03 Dec 2014, 22:22
@katsmeat
Yep, that was a Me 109. They would seem to be in a museum of some sort. British War museum perhaps?

If Hanners is on her Juicy's case, her revenge will be... interesting. It should give a new meaning to the name "cleaner".
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Channelore HellicottAtham on 03 Dec 2014, 22:22
New comic.

And I guess that answers the question of whose that was. And gives Hannelore a nemesis.
Comic's up...

...and has Jeph been reading this thread?  :psyduck:

My first thought too! 
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Romanticide on 03 Dec 2014, 22:32
Considering all juicy stores have closed in the USA this woman is either hoarding what pink tracksuits are left , ordering from abroad or maybe this comic occurred before the closing and Hannelore is partially respo sable fpr that :p
O wait I kist read they are fpr sales at some stores,  nevermind
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: T on 03 Dec 2014, 22:53
Well, she *could* probably afford to fulfil that dream if she really wanted to, and her friends were up to it.  It'd change the tone of the comic too much, though.

She could buy an entire building and give free apartments to her friends. This way she could keep all her friends around.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Dec 2014, 23:18
Gee, Hanners has such a weird dream life, doesn't she? I'm thinking that she's prone to dramatic exaggeration given that Marten didn't react to the 'nemesis' thing. :-P

So, whilst I'm still thinking that Hannelore will stalk Juicy for a while, I'm also still thinking that this is a hook into something else. Maybe the next step in the game of musical apartments, perhaps? Hannelore has to balance her need to associate freely with her friends with the hygiene needs of her peace of mind. I wonder what ideas she'll have beyond The Mansion of Clean?

Meanwhile, I think that it's cute how dependent Hanners is on her ability to just 'drop in' on Marten and Faye. It's pretty clear that, on a certain level, she already sees them as being part of the same household with different mailing addresses.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Natswash on 03 Dec 2014, 23:25
If Hanners is on her Juicy's case, her revenge will be... interesting. It should give a new meaning to the name "cleaner".

Like turning on a shower knob marked "Old Faithful"
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: osaka on 03 Dec 2014, 23:46
Meanwhile, I think that it's cute how dependent Hanners is on her ability to just 'drop in' on Marten and Faye. It's pretty clear that, on a certain level, she already sees them as being part of the same household with different mailing addresses.

That brought up problems in the past (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1885), and it would probably be no different in the future.

I must say, at some point I've had Hanners' idea on my mind as well. Living alone in an apartment gets awfully boring sometimes, and it's not cool when you start talking to your umbrella.

But back to topic, while you might see it as an overreaction, I think it's completely ok. One should take care of their goddamn laundry themselves. No excuse for that.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 04 Dec 2014, 00:04
I once did a back-of the envelope calculation for orbital bombardment
The other poster didnt claim that the kinetic energy ACTUALLY would be that high.

Also, yes, except for really massive objects, all objects falling from space onto earth are slowed down very substantly by the atmosphere and wont hit with more than terminal velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity). Which, however, for a tungsten rod that is massive and aerodynamic could still be quite some speed.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2014, 00:08
Based on this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1894), I'm not expecting a change of location for Hannelore. She's worse with change than Marten! I'd go so far as to say that it could cause a breakdown!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 04 Dec 2014, 00:20
@katsmeat
Yep, that was a Me 109.
Bf 109, please. A G model from the looks of it, G-10 perhaps?

As for dropped rocks/tungsten rods - it takes energy to de-orbit. If you're in a Molniya orbit, only a bit to make the eccentricity a little higher so the perigee intersects the Earth's surface, but you can't get more energy out than you put in. If you're in a circular orbit, "dropping" means it just stays where it is, in orbit. Accelerate, it goes higher, decelerate, it goes lower.

Molniya orbit

(http://www.insight3d.com/resources/educational-alliance-program/astro-primer/images/molniya3D.gif)

If at apogee (the high part) just a tiny deceleration is enough to increase eccentricity so you get lithobraking. However you enter the atmosphere at a shallow angle, and may burn up or even skip, depending on aerodynamics.

Anyway, as has been pointed out, you can't get a 10 megaton bang out without expending a >10 megaton amount of energy to put it up there. Not quite true, you can play games with orbits, sucking energy off the Earth or Lunar rotation, slowing them down by a smidgen, and increasing your energy a lot... but that takes fancy footwork, probably going to Venus and back a few times, and many years. The kind of thing you only do on long range interplanetary missions.

When it comes to space weaponry, the go-to site is Project Rho's Atomic Rockets.

(http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/images/spacegunconvent/nipandtuck.png)

Rick Robinson's First Law of Space Combat

    An object impacting at 3 km/sec delivers kinetic energy equal to its mass in TNT.


3km/sec is the velocity of an object falling for 300 secs in a constant 1g field in a vacuum (just about). 90000 metres, just on the edge of space. But to double the velocity - so get a yield of 4kg of TNT per kg of mass - you'd need 600 secs of falling - 360,000 metres. Low Earth Orbit. And so on.

Taking things to extremes, 454 kt is the yield of 1 gram at 99.9% c. So a 1kg mass at 99.9C gives 454 Mt.

Sources:
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunconvent.php
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunexotic.php
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 04 Dec 2014, 00:25
Did I mention....
1) I'm a Rocket Scientist
2) I've done Defence work
3) I'm a wargamer

I also know Winchell Chung, the proprietor of the Project Rho site. Best known for this artwork he did in his teens.

(http://www.projectrho.com/ogre5.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Natswash on 04 Dec 2014, 02:07
This is all the work of Hanners-mom to test her daughter
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: J on 04 Dec 2014, 02:25
hannelore could just buy the building & hire the current manager to run it for her. then she could install whatever she wanted.

what's the point of being richer than a saudi prince if you aren't gonna implement massively overkill solutions to relatively minor inconveniences?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 04 Dec 2014, 02:56
"Accurate" and "orbital bombardment" do not fit in the same sentence.

QC has never been one to be bothered with "semantics."

Dropping a tungsten rod on a specific set of 9 digit GPS coordinates from orbit is extremely accurate. Even if the kinetic energy from such a weapon's taking out the city block.

With unguided munitions I have four words for you "Probable Error in Range".

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Border Reiver on 04 Dec 2014, 02:58
Hanners

Knows they aren't hers because they're the wrong colour- 2 (3%)
Knows whose they are because the owner wore them to start laundry earlier- 7 (10.6%)
Made the right decision - 26 (39.4%)
Is wondering how this pair got so stretched- 2 (3%)
Wonders how she'd look in those- 3 (4.5%)
Wonders why she suddenly heard someone yelling "Rule 34!"- 26 (39.4%)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: marsman57 on 04 Dec 2014, 05:48
I'm irrationally annoyed that Hanners cares this much about this. Rewashing should have been more than sufficient.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Dec 2014, 06:31
Never known anyone with OCD?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Dec 2014, 09:54
"Lithobraking" is my new favorite word.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: marsman57 on 04 Dec 2014, 10:19
Never known anyone with OCD?

Honestly, not really. At least not like that. I myself have a few mild OCD tendencies that I've largely overcome but they involve repetition rituals, not cleanliness.

That's said, that's why I said it was irrational annoyance. I know I should have some more empathy. I just don't. The whole nemesis thing is a bit too Sheldon for me though.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Dec 2014, 10:40
It's really the 'nemesis' thing that is an over reaction to me. Well, getting rid of your clothing because it was washed with someone else's is also over reacting, but I can understand that with Hanner's cleanliness obsession. But for Juicy to be a nemesis would imply  that she deliberately left her underwear in the machine, to mess with Hanners. That's just seriously gross over-reacting on Hanner's part. Not that we haven't seen that kind of behavior from her before. But that has some big potential for harm to herself and others thinking like that. Instead of you know, a simple mistake.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2014, 10:49
@Neko,

I don't think that it's just the underwear thing anymore. Juicy looked like a bit of a slob to the point of being anti-Hanners. I suspect that she's decided that Juicy is her natural enemy.

As you say, this has the potential for things to go horribly wrong in a hilarious way.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: A Duck on 04 Dec 2014, 12:19
Well, is IS Hannelore we're talking about here. Overreacting to stuff is pretty much normal for her.

In fact, I'd say it's even less of an overreaction that what I'd expect.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 04 Dec 2014, 14:34
Never known anyone with OCD?

I have. I've known a few, actually. Hanners doesn't often display OCD. She has it. I'm not saying she doesn't. She find counting things soothing, and has stated, obliquely, that she feels compelled to do so. That's pretty much the definition of OCD. An obsession level fixation on an act that one feels compelled to act on. I knew a guy who was constantly washing his hands. He had no particular compulsion to clean, nor did he have a phobia of germs or any kind of hypochondria. If he could ash his hands, he did it. Because that was his fixation. Knowing he could wash his hands, and not doing it was simply intolerable to him.

He didn't have crippling OCD. He could go hours without washing his hands. When he did wash them, he hardly took longer than anyone else might. But he did take longer, and he did do it more often than strictly necessary, or even comfortable for mere normals (Imagine the dry skin).

People with crippling OCD are compelled to the point that they need a massive effort of will not to act on the impulse to satisfy their compulsion (Like, "I must lock and unlock the door exactly 18 times in 25 seconds before leaving the house, Lose count or fail to meet the time, and I have to start over. I got it right this morning. Or I think I did. Maybe I should go home and make sure"). Or they suffer from so many compulsions that they don't have time for anything else.

Hannelore has a whole salad bar of disorders, though. She suffers from poor socialization, hyperawareness, difficulty focusing, hypochondria, poor impulse control, extreme anxiety, obsessive thinking, and OCD. Just off the top of my head. If I had to grab a pop-culture diagnosis to explain her, I'd guess autism (high functioning) or ADHD. Frankly, I wouldn't try to capture her issues with one diagnosis. It wouldn't quite fit. For all of the issues she has, she really is well adjusted. For example, her lack of impulse control manifests in largely harmless ways. She knows, without need for external validation, that her violent impulses should not be indulged. She's internalized the label of "crazy," she she does wonder if she's the only person who has these kind of thoughts, but she doesn't act on them. She can be inappropriate (Stalking), but a lot of that can be chalked up to hyperawareness and obsessive thinking. She'll often allow those items to dictate her actions (Solving a social equation on the COD blackboard rather than starting her date with Sven, taking the opportunity to collect Martin's blood for a biomarker screening--having the equipment to do so on her person while at a social engagement). She generally doesn't let her hyperawareness lead her to say things that would discomfit her friends (one gets the impression that she knows a lot more about them than they probably think she does. She may know things they don't know). She's able to manage her hypochondria when necessary, and she's willing to question her anxieties, and listen to the points of view of people who don't share them.

I read her obsession with cleaning things are just that. It doesn't seem to be a compulsion. It's something that she genuinely enjoys. That's not the reason she does it, but it's not just "scratching an itch" either. Juicy's panties had a one-two punch. They ruined an otherwise soothing activity, and they triggered her hypochondria. Rationally, she would have to know that just aggressively cleaning her clothing would be enough. Rationally she'd have to know that her general mode of dress brings her into contact with more kinds of bacteria than she could possible have encountered because of someone else's underwear. But that's the calling card of a disorder. They tend not make sense.

So, tl;dr, I agree that rewashing couldn't have been enough, if the panties were a problem to begin with. I'm just putting in a word for all the folks with whatever level of OCD who wouldn't be bothered by them. Or who would have had to rewash everything, because the panties meant an even number of garments went through the second load (The second load has to be odd, to balance out the fact that 2 is an even number. Also, did you know that zero is an even number? I bet Hanners does). And so on.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: J on 04 Dec 2014, 16:33
this has reminded me; one of my favorite podcast just ran a short story, with probably the best depiction of severe OCD that i've ever heard. link below:

http://pseudopod.org/2014/11/14/pseudopod-412-rule-of-five/
http://media.libsyn.com/media/pseudopod/Pseudo412_RuleOfFive.mp3
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Dec 2014, 17:20
Hate to reply with a quote, but this actually is relevant to the discussion

Quote
The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5. The Law of Fives is never wrong.
—Malaclypse the Younger
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: jwhouk on 04 Dec 2014, 18:57
I always thought it was threes, not fives.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Magniras on 04 Dec 2014, 19:48
Nah, three is just a magic number, alongside seven.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 19:52
Comic!

As I said a few weeks ago, she should've broken the news to him with a song:

Did you know I'm dating Marten?
It doesn't bother him I'm trans.
We just went out on our first date,
And it felt really great,
And his mom caught us holding hands!
I know you care about my safety,
And that's sweet of you,
But he's really a nice guy...

Did you know I'm dating Marten?
Can you be glad I'm dating Marten?

Can't you try?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: valkygrrl on 04 Dec 2014, 19:53
Are you trying for _another_ tiara?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 19:53
NO.

...maybe.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 19:56
Also, is that just a picture of a happy orange, or is that an AI that really loves its job as a biodegradable orange juice container?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Dec 2014, 19:59
Okay, so who does Clinton want to be introduced to...  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 04 Dec 2014, 20:07
Probably Emily, or Gabby since they're the only single(?) female friends Marten has that haven't caused or threatened Clinton with bodily harm.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 20:10
Too bad Marten hasn't met May yet.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Boomslang on 04 Dec 2014, 20:11
For the first time in a while, Marten doesn't actually have a ton of single lady friends in the main cast. Other than Faye.

Faynton.

Nah.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Dec 2014, 20:13
Faynton.
No, no, no. It's Claye.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: GarandMarine on 04 Dec 2014, 21:08
Gods DAMN it Clinton. Try and suck a little less dude.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 04 Dec 2014, 21:36
Clinton sucked less than I expected him to when he learned... but only slightly. Just a hair away, really.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 04 Dec 2014, 21:37
Personally I'd like to see Clinton meet Raven.  She'd probably drive him crazy with her ditziness, while Clinton would probably quickly annoy Raven because his sexual experience is probably limited at best.

In other words Clinton/Raven, OTP!  :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 21:50
In other words Clinton/Raven, OTP!  :lol:

You mean Craven?  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lot_jockey on 04 Dec 2014, 21:56
Not that he'd necessarily know this, but didn't Clinton meet pretty much all of Marten's friends at Emily's lake house? I think Raven, Veronica, and Penelope were the only girls who weren't there (and are still in the cast).
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 04 Dec 2014, 22:05
Faye and Clinton...well she DOES like to tie him up! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1909)

Clinton sucked less than I expected him to when he learned... but only slightly. Just a hair away, really.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5qegnYGXU1rujproo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 04 Dec 2014, 22:12
In other words Clinton/Raven, OTP!  :lol:

You mean Craven?  :claireface:

(http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd334/DMCdriver/unamusedpiggie_zps066ff944.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: MrNumbers on 04 Dec 2014, 22:17
So, the big climactic moment we were all waiting for turned out to be a total anticlimax.

I can't even be annoyed at Jeph, because he did it in a way that makes me ball up all that annoyance and shove it right onto Clinton, who deserves it more.

Yes, I know he's a fictional character. Yes, I know being annoyed at him is an effort in futility. Yes, I know it's totally irrational.

But, damn it, he's just so easy to shake your head at in disappointment.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 04 Dec 2014, 22:38
Nah, three is just a magic number, alongside seven.


Shame on you for not referencing Schoolhouse Rock.

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Dec 2014, 22:40
She should set him up with Emily just for the hell of it  ;D
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Dec 2014, 22:51
Only question there being which one out-weirds the other first.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 22:58
That could work.  They do have a peas-full relationship (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2436) already.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Dec 2014, 23:00
She could wind up being a Peas Maker for them both 
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Dec 2014, 23:09
But he's really into computers and AI, and she just likes to look at cat gifs.  D'you think she could be a pod of his world?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 04 Dec 2014, 23:13
That could work.  They do have a peas-full relationship (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2436) already.

Quote
She could wind up being a Peas Maker for them both

S..synchronized punning!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2014, 23:30
Well, that went better than it might have! Clinton's main issue seems to be jealousy that his sister has had a first relationship before him!

With whom would Claire set him up? He's talking about Hannelore, of course. However, I believe that Robo-hand has already chosen its favourite (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1911). Then there is Emily, who is even more socially awkward than Clinton and shares his interest in robotics! Let's face it: It's worth a shot, if only for the lulz!

It's been a while since we last saw the Augustus kids together. We can see the differences between them but also the strong similarities. Mrs A must have an incredibly strong genetic heritage for both of her children to so closely resemble her!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hakko504 on 04 Dec 2014, 23:37
But he's really into computers and AI, and she just likes to look at cat gifs.  D'you think she could be a pod of his world?
I'm sure only good things can stem from this.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 04 Dec 2014, 23:50
3km/sec is the velocity of an object falling for 300 secs in a constant 1g field in a vacuum (just about). 90000 metres, just on the edge of space. But to double the velocity - so get a yield of 4kg of TNT per kg of mass - you'd need 600 secs of falling - 360,000 metres. Low Earth Orbit. And so on.
1. You ignore that an object launched from orbit STARTS with a bit less than 8 km/sec. So, without atmosphere, the velocity would be 14 km/sec, not 6 km/sec, from an 360km low earth orbit.

2. You ignore that objects that weight less than a couple million or billion of tons will be slowed down by the atmosphere to terminal velocity, which is in all cases below 300 m/sec.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Dec 2014, 23:50
He may have meant that he wants an introduction to any one of them.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Dec 2014, 23:58
He may have meant that he wants an introduction to any one of them.

Oh yeah, no doubt! The problem is that he's already creeped most of them out! I mean, CoD already has an anti-Clinton protocol! Emily is one of the few with whom he hasn't made a bad impression. The downside is that she is sensitive; Claire may not trust Clinton with her.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 05 Dec 2014, 00:05
The Clintonplosion was a lot less severe than people theorized.


what's the point of being richer than a saudi prince if you aren't gonna implement massively overkill solutions to relatively minor inconveniences?
Getting the "chicks" would be my first through. *shrugs*

Unfortunately, the "chicks" that are attracted by money are INDEED "chicks" and not real women ... nah, thanks, I'm good.

So I guess I'd buy swiss citizenship (yes, you can buy that one, the swiss are buyable), get a nice home on a mountain with everything one could wish for, and never ever work again.

Okay, on second (third?) thought, I'd take a half year holiday or so, and then work on stuff I would actually enjoy doing. Probably start programming my own video game. Probably a fantasy MMO.



Personally I'd like to see Clinton meet Raven.  She'd probably drive him crazy with her ditziness, while Clinton would probably quickly annoy Raven because his sexual experience is probably limited at best.

In other words Clinton/Raven, OTP!  :lol:
Worst. Ship. Ever.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 05 Dec 2014, 00:16
With whom would Claire set him up? He's talking about Hannelore, of course. However, I believe that Robo-hand has already chosen its favourite (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1911). Then there is Emily, who is even more socially awkward than Clinton and shares his interest in robotics! Let's face it: It's worth a shot, if only for the lulz!

Clinton and FAYE? *Shudder*

Clinton and Emily could be fun, but I can't see that happening either. But here's a thought: How about Clinton and "Juicy"?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 05 Dec 2014, 00:26
How about Clinton and getting shot down so badly that he decides to work on himself first? From what we've seen, his mentality will lead to a disaster no matter who he gets with.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Dec 2014, 00:28

So I guess I'd buy swiss citizenship (yes, you can buy that one, the swiss are buyable), get a nice home on a mountain with everything one could wish for, and never ever work again.
The only ways I could get that kind of money would probably result in me having to head off to Seychelles, who don't extradite.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Akima on 05 Dec 2014, 00:48
2. You ignore that objects that weight less than a couple million or billion of tons will be slowed down by the atmosphere to terminal velocity, which is in all cases below 300 m/sec.
Where on earth did you get that number? 300m/s is lower than the speed of sound at sea-level, and ballistic missiles have been falling onto their targets at supersonic speeds since at least 1944. Terminal velocity is not some sort of fixed speed-limit, but depends on the mass, cross-sectional area, and shape of the falling object (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity#Physics). Project Thor, the hypothetical weapon-system on which all this talk of dropping tungsten rods is based, was intended to deliver its very heavy, narrow projectiles at mach ten, which is over 3000m/s.

It creeps me out that Clinton has no freckles. He's all smooth and uncanny valley compared to Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Doc on 05 Dec 2014, 01:02
Oooohh, did I miss the sexy stuff? Oh well.

What happened between Clinton and Hannelore again?
(Episode link anyone plz?)
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hakko504 on 05 Dec 2014, 01:16
Oooohh, did I miss the sexy stuff? Oh well.

What happened between Clinton and Hannelore again?
(Episode link anyone plz?)
1900 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1900). Though his introduction to the strip was 2 pages earlier.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: MrNumbers on 05 Dec 2014, 01:59
Thread for December 1-5 now has 1-5 pages.

Meta.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 05 Dec 2014, 02:19
Where on earth did you get that number?
I assumed the terminal velocity of objects would never exceed the speed of sound, because at that point there is a massive increase of resistance.

Apparently I was wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: snubnose on 05 Dec 2014, 02:54
I just keep getting back to todays comic.

Quote
Clinton: I'm just trying to look after you.

Claire: You dont have to. Just be happy for me.

Clinton: I'll be happy for you ... IF you introduce me to one of his hot lady friends.

What ... the ... ?????

Is it just me, or is Clinton, at this point, not established as one really huge douchebag ? I mean he's most obviously NOT trying to "just look after sister". He's just jealous is all.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: MooskiNet on 05 Dec 2014, 03:16
 Much as I love Claire, putting a sick burn on Clinton over how he met Hannelore sort of ignores her own faux pas (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2279).   :-D
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Dec 2014, 03:23
But her own faux pas doesn't even hold a candle to Clinton's, to be fair.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Doc on 05 Dec 2014, 03:50
1900 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1900). Though his introduction to the strip was 2 pages earlier.

Thanks!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Dec 2014, 03:51
So this dude is an asshole.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 05 Dec 2014, 03:58
Claire didn't go all fangirl or giddy. She was surprised, and then immediately threatened. She didn't handle it well, but she was under a lot of pressure.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 05 Dec 2014, 04:22
And she realized she was messing it up. Clinton ... had to be shown.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: dawolf on 05 Dec 2014, 05:03
Am I missing something? Who are all these hot girls Marten can introduce Clinton to?

Faye? Yeah right! No chance
Dora/Tai - in a relationship
Hannelore - already burned that bridge
Marigold - in a relationship
Penelope - in a relationship
Emily - weirdo
Raven - no chance.

Only chance he's have full stop would be with Emily. But she might be weird, she's still not as twattish as him!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Dec 2014, 05:31
You know, outside of Claire, the most positive female interaction we've seen Clinton have is with Emily: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2428

And she seemed to have taken some degree of interest in him specifically, to the point of having a clipboard of questions at hand.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hakko504 on 05 Dec 2014, 05:59
Am I missing something? Who are all these hot girls Marten can introduce Clinton to?

Faye? Yeah right! No chance
Dora/Tai - in a relationship
Hannelore - already burned that bridge
Marigold - in a relationship
Penelope - in a relationship
Emily - weirdo
Raven - no chance.

Only chance he's have full stop would be with Emily. But she might be weird, she's still not as twattish as him!
Well, there is Gabby, Rene (from Secret Bakery) and Juicy. Outside of Emily, I'd say Gabby is the most likely. Rene we really don't know much about, except that she used to date Angus, and works at the Secret Bakery, or at least did last time we saw her (sometime before Padma's departure ~2100). And Juicy we obviously don't know much about. Not even if she'll become a regular in the cast at all.

Edit: Come to think about it - if Claire & Marten sets up Clinton with Emily, that would put an end to all speculation about Emily's motive behind her kissing Marten a while ago. We still haven't seen them together since, but surely they must have met at work by now?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 05 Dec 2014, 06:09
You're all acting as though Clinton realizes he's screwed things up/has no chance.
Went to high school with a guy who ... didn't lack in self-confidence, let's say. Clinton's interaction with Hannelore reminded me of him, both in his assumption that what he was doing was OK and his failure to learn.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: aliensporebomb on 05 Dec 2014, 06:12
LOL.  "Juicy".  I hope that isn't her name/nickname. 
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hakko504 on 05 Dec 2014, 06:27
LOL.  "Juicy".  I hope that isn't her name/nickname.
Until Jeph tells us otherwise, that's probably the best thing to call her. At least we know whom we're talking about. But it's quite possible she'll never appear again. The joke was quite satisfactory with just those two strips.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 05 Dec 2014, 07:20
3km/sec is the velocity of an object falling for 300 secs in a constant 1g field in a vacuum (just about). 90000 metres, just on the edge of space. But to double the velocity - so get a yield of 4kg of TNT per kg of mass - you'd need 600 secs of falling - 360,000 metres. Low Earth Orbit. And so on.
1. You ignore that an object launched from orbit STARTS with a bit less than 8 km/sec. So, without atmosphere, the velocity would be 14 km/sec, not 6 km/sec, from an 360km low earth orbit.
All of which, from the PoV of dropping thugs from orbit, is basically sideways instead of down. You have to do something about that, or you will miss a) the target, b) the target's country, or c) the planet entire. And doing something about that costs reaction mass and energy, most of which you have to take with you, costing even more reaction mass and energy in the initial setup.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Dec 2014, 09:08
Is it just me, or is Clinton, at this point, not established as one really huge douchebag ? I mean he's most obviously NOT trying to "just look after sister". He's just jealous is all.

For me, it's that Clinton doesn't have much in the way of emotional maturity. He acts like and talks like a teenager. Claire does too but only with him. As a general rule, she actually manages quite mature interactions with most people which, given that she likely had a pretty difficult time growing up due to her Trans status, is quite remarkable really.

Here's the thing: Setting aside apparent triggered behaviours, Claire can be thoughtless and a bit snappy with other people. However, the only time she's out-and-out childishly offensive is with Clinton. I'm wondering if this tells you more about Clinton (and, by extension, how he interacts with Claire) than anything else.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Dec 2014, 11:01
In some ways I agree with DSL.

It seems to me he's one of those guys who overcompensate for a lack of social confidence and/or graces and can't understand why they keep getting proverbially (and on the odd occasion. literally) kicked in the balls when they say or do something totally douchey.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lot_jockey on 05 Dec 2014, 11:58
Is it just me, or is Clinton, at this point, not established as one really huge douchebag ? I mean he's most obviously NOT trying to "just look after sister". He's just jealous is all.

For me, it's that Clinton doesn't have much in the way of emotional maturity. He acts like and talks like a teenager. Claire does too but only with him. As a general rule, she actually manages quite mature interactions with most people which, given that she likely had a pretty difficult time growing up due to her Trans status, is quite remarkable really.

Here's the thing: Setting aside apparent triggered behaviours, Claire can be thoughtless and a bit snappy with other people. However, the only time she's out-and-out childishly offensive is with Clinton. I'm wondering if this tells you more about Clinton (and, by extension, how he interacts with Claire) than anything else.

I agree with your analysis. For what it's worth, Clinton is only 21 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281), which I believe makes him the youngest member of the cast. He really isn't much older than a teenager.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Dec 2014, 12:00
Youngest aside from Sam and the AnthroPCs, anyway.

edit -- Sam and the AnthroPCs would be a pretty awesome name for a band.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DrBear on 05 Dec 2014, 13:00

I agree with your analysis. For what it's worth, Clinton is only 21 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281), which I believe makes him the youngest member of the cast. He really isn't much older than a teenager.
Well, except for Sam. And they do have a lot in common in behavior.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: lot_jockey on 05 Dec 2014, 13:59

I agree with your analysis. For what it's worth, Clinton is only 21 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2281), which I believe makes him the youngest member of the cast. He really isn't much older than a teenager.
Well, except for Sam. And they do have a lot in common in behavior.

Fair, I forgot about Sam.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rimwolf on 05 Dec 2014, 15:07
LOL.  "Juicy".  I hope that isn't her name/nickname.

Well, it's better than "Sweet Tits". Somewhat.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Dec 2014, 16:43
It feels like thursday. I want another comic.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Dec 2014, 18:07
You have trouble with Thursdays?


Never mind, have a Beer and go sit over there with Arthur and Ford.


:-D
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Dec 2014, 18:40
FAIL.

"I could never get the hang of Tuesdays," said Arthur Dent.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Dec 2014, 18:52
Oh

PISSWHISKERS!!!

 :P
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 05 Dec 2014, 18:56
Eddies in the space-time continuum.

That's his sofa. Care for a jinnan tonix?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: vforvancouver on 05 Dec 2014, 19:06
85% of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonnyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand or more variations on the same phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian "chinanto/mnigs" which is ordinary water served at slightly above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan "tzjin-anthony-ks" which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that the names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds. 

:psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Estron on 05 Dec 2014, 20:25
So . . . .
            Much . . . . .
                             Red . . . . . . . . .
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Dec 2014, 20:28
FAIL.

"I could never get the hang of Tuesdays," said Arthur Dent.
Wrong:

Douglas Adams
“This must be Thursday,' said Arthur to himself, sinking low over his beer. 'I never could get the hang of Thursdays.”
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: GarandMarine on 05 Dec 2014, 20:39
85% of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonnyx, or gee-N'N-T'N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand or more variations on the same phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian "chinanto/mnigs" which is ordinary water served at slightly above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan "tzjin-anthony-ks" which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that the names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds. 

:psyduck:

I prefer a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster. Which I have mixed. It involves booze you can light on fire, lemon, and regret.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Dec 2014, 21:07
Don't forget the large gold brick to wrap the lemon around.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 01:50
Never mind the second officer. His B Ark is worse thsn his bite.

Now, this "fire" thing. You're so smart, what color should it be?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Loki on 06 Dec 2014, 02:22
pink
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 06 Dec 2014, 02:23
I don't see why Raven wouldn't give him a chance. As for Juicy, she is not a friend of Claire (as far as we know).

Clinton and the fairy girl would make a cute couple.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 06 Dec 2014, 02:29
pink

As designed by a ten year old girl, unlike the Cabinet.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 06 Dec 2014, 02:59
Did anyone else watch the entire Orion flight on NASA TV?
I admit that after 3am local, I was a bit on the tired side.

Huge congrats to the team. I have extreme misgivings about the complexity of the re-entry process - so very, very many things that can go wrong - but they got it right first go.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 04:47
I watched it, and was excited. My misgivings stem from the feeling of watching my country basically relearning knowledge and experience that was allowed to molder on a shelf because of various flsvors of politics . A comment that brought me up short was the comment from the Orion engineer/manager who said, "Apollo was before I was born."
And here we are again. I remember what the Shuttle was sold as, and the station was sold as, and seeing both wasted instead as multipurpose and occasionally duplicative efforts. I kept wondering why weren't, by now, testing out a multilayered space program with a deep=space element, a true shuttle for earth-to-orbit and a way station in orbit linking both, so that the tail end of a long and arduous deep space mission doesn't involve trying to thread a fiery needle at insane speed.
I'm sure the more technically savvy people on this forum --the ones who are, in fact, rocket surgeons -- will hasten to tell this here journalism-degree holder why he doesn't have it right, but it's never made sense to me.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Dec 2014, 05:16
And here we are again. I remember what the Shuttle was sold as, and the station was sold as, and seeing both wasted instead as multipurpose and occasionally duplicative efforts. I kept wondering why weren't, by now, testing out a multilayered space program with a deep=space element, a true shuttle for earth-to-orbit and a way station in orbit linking both, so that the tail end of a long and arduous deep space mission doesn't involve trying to thread a fiery needle at insane speed.

It doesn't have to be, no. However, it is by far the easiest way and the only way so far proven to work in practice.

The problem with Orion is, during the development of the program way back in the early noughties, the leadership of NASA got fixated in recreating Project Apollo only on a physically larger scale. Once this paradigm was accepted, everything had to be Apollo-like. Orion had to look like an Apollo but bigger. The lander, Altair, had to look like the LEM but bigger. This had the consequence of imposing penalties and restrictions on the design that made everything more complex, less innovative and more expensive.

The "We must recreate Apollo but bigger" mindset is still in play. Look at pictures of the proposed launcher, SLS. They're going to paint it to look like the Saturn-V. The only apparent reason for doing so appears to be that they want it to look like a Saturn V.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 06:23
I hold on to the hope that the various vehicles under private development play some role in the earth-to-orbit link of a multilayered program ... a quick ants relatively cheap way of getting people to space. What we had with the Shuttle was a semi truck that was occasionally uses to run to the corner store.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 06 Dec 2014, 06:38
And here we are again. I remember what the Shuttle was sold as, and the station was sold as, and seeing both wasted instead as multipurpose and occasionally duplicative efforts. I kept wondering why weren't, by now, testing out a multilayered space program with a deep=space element, a true shuttle for earth-to-orbit and a way station in orbit linking both, so that the tail end of a long and arduous deep space mission doesn't involve trying to thread a fiery needle at insane speed.
I'm sure the more technically savvy people on this forum --the ones who are, in fact, rocket surgeons -- will hasten to tell this here journalism-degree holder why he doesn't have it right, but it's never made sense to me.

I am no rocket scentist. But slowing down a vehicle from Mars requires either an unrealistic amount of fuel or using the atmosphere. Or, just maybe, something really clever no one has thought of yet.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Dec 2014, 06:43
I hold on to the hope that the various vehicles under private development play some role in the earth-to-orbit link of a multilayered program ... a quick ants relatively cheap way of getting people to space. What we had with the Shuttle was a semi truck that was occasionally uses to run to the corner store.

The only missions carried out by the Shuttle that were really in line with its original intended purpose was the construction of the ISS and the various satellite recovery and repair missions. Everything else was more-or-less filler developed and flown because the space station project was delayed around 20 years; it should have been amongst the first major programs but kept getting de-funded.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 06:48
Oh, people have thought of it, and will probably think of more. It just involves more delta-vee, and therefore more fuel/reaction mass, than you can realistically carry if you have to load everything up at the starting point.
It's got to be easier, once the infrastructure is in place, to decelerate to parking orbit and ride a shuttle down than it is to scream in from deep space and aim it so you don't bounce or burn.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 06 Dec 2014, 07:02
What kind of infrastructure would help slow the ship down to parking orbit speed? And what has this got to do with QC?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 07:09
1.) Having a way to gas up at mission destination so you have the fuel to do so without having to load it all at the start and carry it around (spending more delta-vie to do so) until you need it.
2.) QC forumites have lots of interests and talk about them until drowned out by other interests. There's a space station in this comic ...
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Dec 2014, 08:04
Oh, people have thought of it, and will probably think of more. It just involves more delta-vee, and therefore more fuel/reaction mass, than you can realistically carry if you have to load everything up at the starting point.
It's got to be easier, once the infrastructure is in place, to decelerate to parking orbit and ride a shuttle down than it is to scream in from deep space and aim it so you don't bounce or burn.
The speed when you're coming in is such that you have to worry about that no matter what. A shuttle isn't really much better in this regard (in fact it was a major problem for the Space Shuttle; the heating on reentry destroyed the Columbia). If you're reentering the Earth's atmosphere from low orbit, you have to burn off a bit under 8 km/s of delta-V, regardless of whether you're in a shuttle or a capsule.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 06 Dec 2014, 08:54
Am I missing something? Who are all these hot girls Marten can introduce Clinton to?

Faye? Yeah right! No chance
Dora/Tai - in a relationship
Hannelore - already burned that bridge
Marigold - in a relationship
Penelope - in a relationship
Emily - weirdo
Raven - no chance.

Only chance he's have full stop would be with Emily. But she might be weird, she's still not as twattish as him!

You forgot Cosette, but she's in a relationship with a cereal killer.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: dawolf on 06 Dec 2014, 12:49
I don't see why Raven wouldn't give him a chance. As for Juicy, she is not a friend of Claire (as far as we know).

Clinton and the fairy girl would make a cute couple.

As Raven is basically the female version of Sven in romantic matters, it would be like Sven going out with Claire (except, a Claire with even fewer social graces).

Which also wouldn't work IMO.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: kiss-o-kill on 06 Dec 2014, 13:20
Clinton looks like an asari with that hairstyle
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Dec 2014, 13:21
That's a mental image I probably didn't need.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 06 Dec 2014, 14:00
$5 says someone's gonna post a photochop of that....
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 06 Dec 2014, 15:05
Oh, people have thought of it, and will probably think of more. It just involves more delta-vee, and therefore more fuel/reaction mass, than you can realistically carry if you have to load everything up at the starting point.
It's got to be easier, once the infrastructure is in place, to decelerate to parking orbit and ride a shuttle down than it is to scream in from deep space and aim it so you don't bounce or burn.

Once you manage to insert your self in Earth orbit, the delta very difference to get out of orbit is almost trivial. Earth is screaming around the sun at over 18 miles per second. Odds are you are going to rob the moon of a little momentum in the way out. It's probably worth considering giving some back.

It's basically a transfer orbit. It seems plausible to me.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 15:06
I thought it was the uneven aerodynamic forces resulting from the inflation, then destruction, of the port wing (resulting from the hole in the RCC leading edge from the foam strike at launch) that destroyed Columbia.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 06 Dec 2014, 18:47
You thought correctly. The hole was caused by atmospheric compression heating, but the only reason that heating was able to make a hole was the damage from the debris strike.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Dec 2014, 18:50
My point was that the atmospheric compression heating still matters even if you're using a shuttle instead of a capsule... if it didn't matter, then the hole wouldn't have been a problem.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 19:14
Granted ... My point is that switching from a transfer orbit to a parking orbit, then transfer to a vehicle optimized for atmospheric entry and landing, has got to be a lot less stressful than screaming in direct aboard a.vehicle that's both a long hauler and the reentry vehicle. The analogy's not perfect, but think of flying into the airport, then taking a taxi to where you're actually going instead of trying to land the 767 at the hotel downtown. That's also partly what I mean by "infrastructure."
These ideas are by no means new, by the way. They were best expressed visually, perhaps, in 2001 (the movie) but that was based on ideas kicked around by von Braun et al.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Dec 2014, 19:26
I thought it was the uneven aerodynamic forces resulting from the inflation, then destruction, of the port wing (resulting from the hole in the RCC leading edge from the foam strike at launch) that destroyed Columbia.
I wonder if NASA had watched Bebop, that disaster could have been averted.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 06 Dec 2014, 20:19
Yes, Cowboy Bebop at his computer could have figured it out.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Dec 2014, 20:23
I was just thinking that the Columbia was in one episode, and nearly burnt up because of a damaged heat tile when rescuing Spike.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Dec 2014, 20:29
Granted ... My point is that switching from a transfer orbit to a parking orbit, then transfer to a vehicle optimized for atmospheric entry and landing, has got to be a lot less stressful than screaming in direct aboard a.vehicle that's both a long hauler and the reentry vehicle. The analogy's not perfect, but think of flying into the airport, then taking a taxi to where you're actually going instead of trying to land the 767 at the hotel downtown. That's also partly what I mean by "infrastructure."
Okay, I think I had misunderstood what you were saying earlier. That's a similar strategy to the one that was used in the Apollo landings, though not exactly the same because the moon doesn't have an atmosphere, where the command module stayed in space and only the landing module went to the surface.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 06 Dec 2014, 21:12
I wonder if NASA has kicked around the idea of a small re-entry-only vehicle, one that can be easily assembled in space that's basically a glider. Instead of coming in like a freaking meteorite (or a flying brick), it just skims the upper atmosphere, using some friction to slow down, but not enough to need Shuttle type heat tiles, and it just orbits the planet a few times untill it loses enough speed to begin its descent and land.


It's probably a dumb idea since I got it after watching a rerun of the BBC TopGear "Scooterman" episode at 4 am today.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Dec 2014, 22:09
They had something like that planned as an escape vehicle from the ISS at one stage I think, but budget cuts killed it and they went with a Soyuz Escape Craft that's docked to the station.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 06 Dec 2014, 22:10
Also, that method of reentry (skimming the atmosphere) is called aerobreaking and has been used when sending landers to Mars.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 06 Dec 2014, 22:53
Delta v.

Friction doesn't really work at 5 miles per second. At near terminal velocity (which is comparatively slow) hitting water can be no less dangerous than hitting concrete. The water can't get out of the way fast enough. The effect is similar with air, at high speeds. That's why meteors explode. The stress of slamming into the atmosphere. This is why the eat of reentry is compressive, not friction. Compression makes things hot. Compression while moving at 5 miles per second turns air into plasma.

If you try a shallow decent into the atmosphere, odds are you'll bounce off. Catastrophically. Assuming you survive your close encounter with the atmosphere, you'll be on parabolic trajectory, going back into space, until you run out of energy and start falling again. Speeding up. You'll be going slower, but not that much slower.

Rinse and repeat a couple of dozen times and try to do the math that will tell you what part of the planet you'll be over when you finally come in slowly enough not to bounce.

The combined stress on the space craft may exceed the stresses of an simple direct entry. The pucker factor has to.

Any plan that avoids this is going to need reaction mass. If you had a thruster that could slow you down enough to glide in, you might as well slow all the way down and come in at nice few hundred miles an hour. Sure, the trip down would be longer, but no compression to worry about.

That leaves the question of where you're going to get the reaction mass to pull this stunt off.

Say you leave Earth for Mars. What you do is rob the Earth-Moon system of a bit of momentum--we're going 1112 mile per minute. we can spare it. You give a little of that momentum to Mars. Then you take it back to make the trip home. when you get back, you give some of that Momentum to Earth, slowing down again.

The process of getting to orbit is much the same. The problem is, you can't effectivelly Rob Earth to give you a boost. You do steal some momentum, but you work really hard to do it.

Getting to space isn't really that hard. SpaceShip One/Two does it without going much faster than sound. To quote Randall (http://xkcd.com/about/):
Quote
The reason it's hard to get to orbit isn't that space is high up.

It's hard to get to orbit because you have to go so fast. (https://what-if.xkcd.com/58/)

The Rutan craft basically pull the same stunt the X-15 did. The fancy feathering maneuver at the end allows them to bleed more speed with less "OH BEARD PLEASE HELP US WE'RE GOING TO DIE." That said, they aren't going fast enough to stay in space. Feathering or not, the SpaceShip series is coming back down, and it'll do it shortly after it gets up there.

Rockets use insane amounts of fuel to go insanely fast just to get to LEO. 18,000 miles per hour.

In order to descend like a glider, you first have to slow down from 18000 to a more sedate 300 or so.

And that's what the space shuttle was designed to do. the most efficient way to bleed of that speed was and compressive heat.

The next option was fuel, but that runs into the tyranny of the rocket equation. The fule needed to lift the Shuttle and hurl it at 18000 miles per hour, so that it achieves Arthur Dent's most astounding trick (falling to Earth and missing), isn't really that much. just a fraction of the fuel used. The vast majority of the fule is devoted to lifting the fuel. Lifting enough fuel to slow back down means another, equal, vast majority dedicated to lifting that fuel. (The rocket equation. an easy way to figure out how much fuel you need to lift the fuel you need, to lift the fuel you need, to lift the fuel you need to lift the fuel you need... Er. put it this way. Say you need 1 unit of fuel mass to lift one unit of payload mass.The problem is, the mass of your fully fueled miss is now two units. Which means you need 2 more units of fuel. But then your mass is 4 units. so you need 4 more... You're saved by the fact that your fuel is a propellant. You get lift by throwing it the other way, really hard. So seconds after you fire the engines, you've thrown away a lot of mass. You get less massive as you go up.)

Returning to our 1 unit for 1 unit, assuming an exhaust velocity of six kilometers per second, you need almost 6 units of fuel to lift your payload and fuel to lift that payload. If you add enough fuel to slow back down, your fuel cost jumps to +11 units. Your vehicle mass just doubled. That's off the cuff, but considering the cost to orbit, doubling the payload you're putting up there, doubles your expenditure. Space is expensive.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 07 Dec 2014, 03:21
Sure is. We're talking about two sides of the bootstrap situation, though. You the initial side, where the human space program is now and we have to pack.everything we need at the beginning, and I'm thinking ahead to that place I hope we get, when there's enough of a.support infrastructure in place, in orbit or even at destination, that future flights will be able to lean on it and not have to carry everything. It'll.tale a.long time to get to that point but once it's reached, the growth will (be able to be) exponential.
Meanwhile, I'm kicking myself for.not paying more attention to the Dawn mission to Vesta and, soon enough, Ceres. And Pluto Express not long after that.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Dec 2014, 03:43
I'm not sure it will take a long time.

See: Elon Musk.

If anyone had ever told me the answer to the reusable space craft proble was to bring the lower stage down for a controlled  vertical landing, I'd have called them nuts.

Space X roasts yer nuts.

Orion is 8 years from demonstration and proofing flights. Dragon is delivering cargo, and Falcon Heavy is planned to demo next year. Musk started rolling at the same time Constellation did. They are on track to meet the Constellation schedule, while Orion is 7 years behind.

I'm sure there's a physical answer to the deorbit problem. But finding that answer in NASA, getting it funded, and built... That's impossible.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: GarandMarine on 07 Dec 2014, 04:40
Didn't SpaceX's last test shot blow up?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 07 Dec 2014, 05:42
Didn't SpaceX's last test shot blow up?
That was a commercial launch and it was destroyed by the range safety officer because a midair explosion is better than it landing on something then exploding.

(I would make such a terrible RSO; the temptation of a big red button marked "blow it up" would be just too great ;) )
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 07 Dec 2014, 06:07
I'm sure there's a physical answer to the deorbit problem. But finding that answer in NASA, getting it funded, and built... That's impossible.

Damn unlikely, that's for sure. NASA's going to think, then overthink, and the only way it'll move beyond that is to "freeze the design," which is a slightly less unpleasant way of saying,  "OK, let' stick with something 10 years behind the times just so we can get some damn thing built and maybe even flown."

What i like about the private designers and builders is, when you look at them in the aggregate, you get a sense of what aeronautics was like in the 1920s and the 1950s, full of people saying, "OK, let's try this." Lots of things that didn't quite work out -- and a glorious few that did.

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: KOK on 07 Dec 2014, 06:40
Sure is. We're talking about two sides of the bootstrap situation, though. You the initial side, where the human space program is now and we have to pack.everything we need at the beginning, and I'm thinking ahead to that place I hope we get, when there's enough of a.support infrastructure in place, in orbit or even at destination, that future flights will be able to lean on it and not have to carry everything. It'll.tale a.long time to get to that point but once it's reached, the growth will (be able to be) exponential.
Meanwhile, I'm kicking myself for.not paying more attention to the Dawn mission to Vesta and, soon enough, Ceres. And Pluto Express not long after that.

It is some years ago that I read a proposal for a return trip to Mars. First you send a chemical factory that will produce oxygen for the stay and fuel for the return trip. Raw materials come from the Martian atmosphere. Only when the factory reports full tanks, you send the astronauts.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Dec 2014, 06:52
That was Robert Zubrin, a former NASA engineer. Supposedly NASA adopted a modified version of his plan in the Constellation program, but that part has been cancelled.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2014, 09:17
Didn't SpaceX's last test shot blow up?

Stuff occasionally breaks. However, this was after several nominal test flights by the same vehicle. Yes, you read that right, a rocket, identical to a model intended to fly into space, flew several times up and down with precision landing.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Dec 2014, 12:15
One wonders if China's entry into the space business is not providing the spur that the competition against the old Soviet Union did during the early days of the Space Race.

ESA has been silent for quite a while, I wonder what they're up to - or have they given up and thrown in their lot with the NASA?  I hope not.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Dec 2014, 12:55
One wonders if China's entry into the space business is not providing the spur that the competition against the old Soviet Union did during the early days of the Space Race.

Only in a very unusual way. The way the Chinese are offering cheap space launch has spurred a rush to lower prices. SpaceX, who have always been looking to do cheap launch, are way ahead. However, I'm sure that other companies will try to reduce their costs too. Only Lockheed and Boeing, guaranteed USAF launch cash via their ULA joint venture, are unlikely to follow suit.

ESA has been silent for quite a while, I wonder what they're up to - or have they given up and thrown in their lot with the NASA?  I hope not.

ESA have made some bad decisions, specifically in throwing in their lot with the Russians for a medium-lift LV in the form of Soyuz. They are also hobbled by the continual turf war between Germany and France over who will supply the parts for the next-generation Ariane-6 launcher. I won't expect too much from them at this stage.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Honkytonk on 07 Dec 2014, 16:05
The ESA are cosntantly hamstrung by themselves and their very nature unfortunately. Their problems are many but essentially boil down to:

A. They're a European institution... and yet not part of the EU - meaning countries like Swtizerland etc. can get involved, but that also means there is less money available, and when it is invested Germany (who are normally the largest investor) and France (who own the main launch centre and so have a big say) can never agree on anything.
B. They have a notoriously bad track record when it comes to following through with ideas (there's a space centre in Belgium where schoolkids go, kind of like a European space camp, and amongst myriad other cancelled programmes, they actually have a big static model of the planned reusable ESA space plane that was built as a prototype shell before the programme was canned)
C. Germany and France can never, ever agree on anything. ANY. THING.
D. Contracts are split along investment lines - i.e. Germany puts in the most money, Germany builds everything. This bothers a lot of the countries involved who get very little economic kickback from their investments. 'cough' France 'cough' United Kingdom 'cough'
E. Germany and France can never, ever agree on anything. ANY. THING.

Mind you, the ESA has done some amazing stuff. The next generation of Global Positioning systems will all be based on ESA satellites (Galileo), there's ESA money going into the British engineered and built Skylon spaceplane which could very realistically be the near future of orbital flight/transport, and, oh, that little thing called Rosetta and tiny washing-machine sized lander called Philae that landed on a god-damn comet only a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: McFace on 07 Dec 2014, 18:50
Each time I read Friday's comic, what Clinton says in the 2nd panel make me more and more angry.

There is being protective, and then there is being a controlling douche.  :x
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Dec 2014, 19:37
 I'm sure he'll top it tonight.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesariojpn on 07 Dec 2014, 21:56
$5 says someone's gonna post a photochop of that....

Hold up, lemme see if it popped up on 4chan......
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: tragic_pizza on 07 Dec 2014, 23:10
There is a saying: "If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room."

I am most certainly in the right room. Tungsten rods, orbital re-entry... my head hurts.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 08 Dec 2014, 18:17
All right, who dropped tungsten rod on tragic_pizza? That was just rude.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 08 Dec 2014, 18:33
There is a saying: "If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room."

I am most certainly in the right room. Tungsten rods, orbital re-entry... my head hurts.  :-D
I'm always in the right room, then.

Even if I actually am in the wrong room.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: DSL on 09 Dec 2014, 14:48
I always heard it thus (maybe it's a corollary): If you think you're the smartest person in the room, you'd better be the only person in the room.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: celticgeek on 09 Dec 2014, 14:52
My joke:  Sometimes I need to speak with the most intelligent, wisest person around, and since that's me, I usually wind up talking to myself.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 09 Dec 2014, 18:50
I always heard it thus (maybe it's a corollary): If you think you're the smartest person in the room, you'd better be the only person in the room.

I always heard it as "dumbest "....
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 09 Dec 2014, 22:11


December 14, 2002.

The video shows booster separation of the Japanese H2A2 F4 at 12:15:40, the Japanese ADEOS-2 at 12:16:20, the Australian FedSat at 12:16:40, the Japanese MicroLabSat at 12:17:00 and WEOS at 12:17:20.

I was the head of the spaceflight computer team on FedSat.

While it's really photogenic, FedSat was not supposed to be launched with a slow tumble like that - it made acquiring contact from the ground a non-trivial task as antennae are directional. But we got it sorted out and stabilised after two very nailbiting days.

The Japanese had some bad luck with their 3700kg greyhound-bus-sized ADEOS-II. The Solar Panel failed from unknown causes within a few months, and they lost all telemetry.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 09 Dec 2014, 22:17
There's no such thing as a free launch - but we got one anyway from the National Space Development Agency of Japan (NASDA).

Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 10 Dec 2014, 02:54
If there isn't a dedicated aerospace thread somewhere on this site, there needs to be. The past page and a half has been excellent.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Dec 2014, 06:04
I always heard it thus (maybe it's a corollary): If you think you're the smartest person in the room, you'd better be the only person in the room.

I always heard it as "dumbest "....

If you're the only person in the room then you're both anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: ZoeB on 11 Dec 2014, 01:47
If there isn't a dedicated aerospace thread somewhere on this site, there needs to be. The past page and a half has been excellent.
Seconded.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Dec 2014, 02:01
If there isn't a dedicated aerospace thread somewhere on this site, there needs to be. The past page and a half has been excellent.

Seconded.

Being a aerospace fanboy, I agree. However, where to put it? ENJOY, CHATTER or DISCUSS?
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: bhtooefr on 11 Dec 2014, 04:15
ENJOY is for consumption of media, and DISCUSS is where the more charged or more private issues (requires membership to view) are discussed.

If it's fair game to be discussed in this thread, then it's fair game for CHATTER, which makes CHATTER the right place.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: MrNumbers on 11 Dec 2014, 04:28
Unrelated to aerospace but:

Anyone want to see a Charles Stross' The Laundry series crossover with QC? Unlikelier things have happened.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 11 Dec 2014, 04:54
Not really, but I'd like to see more Walkyverse crossovers. Loved seeing Amber complain about her coffee at CoD!
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 11 Dec 2014, 09:21
When did that happen? I don't remember...
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Dec 2014, 12:48
I think Lubricus is referring to this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1550). I never noticed it was supposed to be Amber before. I had always interpreted her as just a random CoD customer.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Lubricus on 11 Dec 2014, 22:33
Cesium is right - the same scene can be seen in Shortpacked! from Amber's perspective. I can't be bothered to link it right now.
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: Loki on 11 Dec 2014, 23:58
http://www.shortpacked.com/2009/comic/book-10/03-the-comedy-laugh/coffeehouse/

Found via this awesome site:
http://www.dragoneers.com/crossovers/Shortpacked.html
Title: Re: WCDT December 1-5, 2014 (2845-2849)
Post by: cesium133 on 12 Dec 2014, 07:21
That website really is complete... It even has a page for my comic (http://www.dragoneers.com/crossovers/Cesium.html).