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Title: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 12 Dec 2014, 12:58
Ask and ye shall recieve.

This thread can also be used to talk about anything else of David Willis' work: Shortpacked!, Roomies, It's Walky, etc.

However when talking about works other than DoA, use spoilers. Same for showing preview panels from Willis' Tumblr.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 12 Dec 2014, 14:30
Re: Current strip:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 12 Dec 2014, 14:34
Someone's going to get really sad... in... 6 and a half hours.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 12 Dec 2014, 14:42
Butts. All I'm getting is butts.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Schmee on 12 Dec 2014, 19:55
Prediction: next DoA will be 4 panels of Joyce screaming.
It's inevitable (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/inevitable/).

Edit: DAMN YOU, WILLIS
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 12 Dec 2014, 23:38
Prediction: next DoA will be 4 panels of Joyce screaming.
It's inevitable (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/inevitable/).

I hope you didn't buy any lottery tickets, your ability to predict the future is way off.

(click to show/hide)

(This is the first DoA comic I've read, no idea what's going on, but I feel sorry for the redhead  :cry:)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Dec 2014, 02:18
Ya, that's about what I expected. It only made sense, if he did anything too far off that it would ahve been forced and just bad writing overall.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Dec 2014, 08:07
Its about as much as I expected would happen.  Now Joyce is going to feel bad and confused.  She will probably talk to Ethan about it since he's gay.

Becky must feel crushed and vulnerable after doing that.  Hope she doesn't do anything disastrous to herself.  She seems like she's not happy with her up bringing nor her college.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Dec 2014, 12:36
Shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 13 Dec 2014, 14:11
Oh Becky, I can relate :(
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Dec 2014, 21:17
Is she going to punch Sara?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Dec 2014, 21:26
I think she's running away.

Also, a request. I've only read DoA, so could people not spoil things from other Willis comics?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Dec 2014, 23:22
Is she going to punch Sara?

IS SHE GONNA SAY THE WORD "FUCK"?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 14 Dec 2014, 08:26
Also, a request. I've only read DoA, so could people not spoil things from other Willis comics?

I don't see anybody spoiling Shortpacked! Or It's Walky! for you. That being said, reading Dumbing of Age is SORT OF a spoiler in of itself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Dec 2014, 09:02
How?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 14 Dec 2014, 09:14
How?

If we told you, it would be a spoiler.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 14 Dec 2014, 09:43
Zing!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Dec 2014, 20:47
I thought DoA used the same characters but with new stories.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Dec 2014, 21:07
It does, mostly. Except that the more out-there elements of the Walkyverse don't apply. Carla is a human, not Ultra-car. Monkey Master and the Head Alien is just a cartoon. Just ordinary people pretty much going to college.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Dec 2014, 13:57
Hooboy

Something tells me she got thrown out.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 15 Dec 2014, 13:58
Something tells me she got thrown out.
Probably after she came out to her parents. Thats my guess.  :oops:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Dec 2014, 14:46
And/or came out at school. Didn't she go to a very small Christian university, she said? They often have morality clauses.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 15 Dec 2014, 14:47
That's a good point!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 15 Dec 2014, 14:53
And/or came out at school. Didn't she go to a very small Christian university, she said? They often have morality clauses.

I can attest to that. I had a girlfriend who went to a Christian college (one of those real strict ones, I went to a Catholic college, but all that meant was they didn't sell condoms on campus, had a chapel and I had to take 3 theology classes with only 1 of them having to be about Christianity) and those rules were goddamn ridiculous. From the top of my head: people must have their feet on the ground at all times while in a room of the opposite sex (you're not going to be transgendered and go to this college, so yes, sex), door open, of course; pregnancy out of wedlock is grounds for expulsion, a large amount of apologizing and penance is required to be accepted back in, only after the baby is born; only married couples are allowed to show any signs of a sexual relationship - and even then it's basically hand holding.

Also, people in those schools get married so fucking fast.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Dec 2014, 15:22
I'm wondering if she's come out to her family though. From the description they are super controlling and ultra religious. Which is why it was wondered that she was allowed to visit Joyce unexpected and alone. So.. Was she kicked out of college and waiting for word to get back to her parents... Or have her parents kicked her out entirely? Either way... no good.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Dec 2014, 18:36
Poor Becky :(
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 15 Dec 2014, 21:20
Well that explains everything...sort of.  Too bad Becky...  :oops:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 16 Dec 2014, 14:08
DoA has become my favourite webcomic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 16 Dec 2014, 21:25
I called it a few strips ago, in one of the comment threads.  Becky ran away.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Dec 2014, 12:55
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f50/Kugai2/Memes/Shit_just_got_real-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 17 Dec 2014, 21:40
I don't care what anyone says, that's the cutest one.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Dec 2014, 15:07
Today on DoA


Amazi-girl, a guy and a cinder block
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Jan 2015, 12:09
And Becky just doesn't come out, she explodes from the Closet
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 07 Jan 2015, 14:01
(http://hijinksensue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014-06-25-pantalones-en-fuego.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 11 Jan 2015, 02:22
Dina! :3
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jan 2015, 15:30
Dina, the Yoda of DoA
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 12 Jan 2015, 17:42
Willis has captured Dina perfectly.  She's an Ace Aspie, and that's exactly what it's like.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jan 2015, 15:18
The dreaded Hair Of Exam Terror


Looks like Walky will have to STUDY
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 16 Jan 2015, 21:08
In an entirely different universe Soggies may rule now.

I'll admit that I was slightly disappointed with the last Shortpacked! ever. But well. It's over.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Jan 2015, 22:30
Over forever? I still haven't read any of it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 17 Jan 2015, 02:11
In an entirely different universe Soggies may rule now.

I'll admit that I was slightly disappointed with the last Shortpacked! ever. But well. It's over.

Me too, to be honest.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 17 Jan 2015, 21:36
Over forever? I still haven't read any of it.

On it's ninth birthday Willis announced he would end Shortpacked! on its tenths. That was the 17th. So he posted the last strip of Shortpacked!, which was the last remaining active comic set in the now over seventeen year old Walkyverse, yesterday. Now he only writes DoA.

It all started with Roomies!, then there was It's Walky! and at the end there was Shortpacked!. And Joyce & Walky somewhere in between, parallel to the beginning of Shortpacked!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jan 2015, 21:56
So is Walky more important in other comics? I mean he's a major character in DoA but he's hardly the main character. (If I had to consider anyone the main character I'd pick Joyce but it seems to be an ensemble)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Jan 2015, 22:18
He was pretty central in It's Walky and Joyce and Walky of course. He was originally kind of the author/reader surrogate character. Not unlike Marten in QC.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Jan 2015, 22:39
I like Dumbing of Age but I don't know if I want to read any other comics with these characters.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Jan 2015, 12:03
Today on DoA


Becky zings Joyce
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 20 Jan 2015, 12:42
Joyce, if not the main character, is definitely the inspiration for Dumbing of Age.

She's also the first person to appear in the comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 20 Jan 2015, 12:58
Does that mean Star Wars is about C-3P0?  :angel:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Jan 2015, 14:02
No, R2
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 20 Jan 2015, 14:06
we see C-3P0 first though  :-P
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 21 Jan 2015, 01:32
I said "She's also the first character", I didn't say she's the main character because she's the first one to arrive.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 21 Jan 2015, 02:21
It's just something Dave Willis wrote as a preface to the comic collection of Dumbing of Age. Joyce - and how she fares in University - was a major inspiration that fueled Dumbing of Age.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Jan 2015, 10:32
I'm confused. How could Joyce be an inspiration for Joyce?

That being said, I've read all of DoA fairly recently and I consider her the main character in a McNulty way.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 21 Jan 2015, 10:35
If anything Willis himself is the inspiration for Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 21 Jan 2015, 11:04
As far as I know, Willis has said several times, that Joyce in DoA is largely autobiographical.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 21 Jan 2015, 11:21
that is as I understand it too ChaoSera  :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 21 Jan 2015, 13:02
She's also - arguably - the character that has went through the biggest changes since going to the University. I view it that way because while others seemed to find out more about themselves, Joyce's attitude and beliefs have been consistently warped. There's also a lot of one-dimensional characters in DoA, but there are 20 something characters so not all of them can have an ever changing personality I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 21 Jan 2015, 13:52
I wont argue that she has had some major new life experiences, though some of the other characters have gone through some changes too.  :-D  Hell even Dorothy is starting to realize that life cannot be all work and no play.  On the flip side of that Walky is starting to learn life isn't as easy as it once was and that life is not all play but also work.  Sal is becoming less bully/badass and more her own woman.  Ethan is more or less in stasis and I kind of feel the same way for Amber and Danny.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Jan 2015, 14:47
Hmmmm

Being Sals Bitch might just be a good thing for Joyce.      ;D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Jan 2015, 16:56
So, for us noobs, what would you recommend as a starting point for Willis's work?  Dumbing of Age, or one of the others?  I haven't read any of them yet, but I'm probably going to take a few weeks off from reading QC, and I'll need other webcomics to distract me.  And since I keep hearing things about this Willis fellow...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 23 Jan 2015, 17:19
You can just start at DoA, they're all independent of each other, but they do have some references to each other that don't really affect the story.

I read Shortpacked, but only saw some bits and pieces of the others, mostly because the artwork in the others is pretty bad -especially compared to DoA and Shortpacked. IMO DoA is the best.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 23 Jan 2015, 19:26
Read DoA. If you're interested in the Walkyverse as well, start reading here (http://www.itswalky.com/comic/and-now/). That's the first page of "Roomies!", Willis' first comic. He republished it together with some strips he drew later in what he considers "best reading order". He's currently uploading the second Walkyverse comic "It's Walky!" one strip per day on the same site.

Then you can wait for Willis' to upload the rest of It's Walky! (which might take a few years), or you can visit the old comic site, which is still online here (http://joyceandwalky.com/d/19970908.html), and read the rest of "It's Walky" there. The navigation sucks on that site though.

Well, and once you're done with "It's Walky!" you can start on "Shortpacked!". You miss out on a lot, if you read "Shortpacked!" before having read "It's Walky!".
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Jan 2015, 19:48
Thanks, both of you.  I'll give DoA a try.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jan 2015, 21:18
Today on DoA

Sign Language Argument
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 23 Jan 2015, 21:19
The color he's using to indicate motion makes it look like they have robot hands.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 24 Jan 2015, 05:14
It irked me as well.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Jan 2015, 13:32
They were signing at Warp speed
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 24 Jan 2015, 17:54
Sorry to bother all you non-Patrons: The latest bonus strip was kinda "Damn you, Willis!"-worthy as well.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Jan 2015, 09:35
Do you get to see it early or do non-Patrons not see it at all?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 25 Jan 2015, 10:10
The Bonus strips are Patron only.  There's one we get to vote for and one Willis gets to decide about per month. We get to see the regular strips one day early though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Jan 2015, 10:11
You get to vote what happens?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 25 Jan 2015, 10:13
We get to vote about the main character. Last one featured Dina.  The choices before were Becky (before we knew that Becky would appear in the regular strips), Galasso's daughter whose name I just forgot, Asma I think, and people like that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Jan 2015, 10:26
Oh. Are they canon or one-offs?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 25 Jan 2015, 10:27
They are canon, but do not contain information really relevant to anything.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 25 Jan 2015, 13:03
Like most strips that feature Dina really.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Jan 2015, 13:54
Today on DoA


Student/Teacher Ethics.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jan 2015, 13:58
Or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Jan 2015, 13:59
Eh, it's not as if anyone cares if you're a good teacher when you're a TA...

Banging your students, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 27 Jan 2015, 14:07
According to my vast internetting, students have sex with teachers all the time. Also, teachers seem to barely wear anything and have giant boobs.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Jan 2015, 14:09
"And then sometimes another girl shows up and I'd have to pay $19.99 a month to find out more."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 27 Jan 2015, 15:46
*blink* where was that one from?
I know at least two people who banged teachers in their school.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Jan 2015, 15:50
It turns out I misquoted it, but I think I got close enough (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=944).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 27 Jan 2015, 15:53
Hah. Well, it was close enough for me to realize it was a reference.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 29 Jan 2015, 08:16
Dammit Sarah. Self fulfilling prophecy much!?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Jan 2015, 10:32
It is kind of hard to find people who want to hang around with you if you drive away everyone who wants to hang around with you...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Orkboy on 02 Feb 2015, 21:17
Welp, now we know the best way to answer a phone. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Feb 2015, 21:20
Later. ..

"Hi, Joyce, I tried calling earlier and your nice Jewish boyfriend answered."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 02 Feb 2015, 22:21
"I knew public University would do this to her!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 03 Feb 2015, 09:12
Oh my god Mike.

This message is coming from Tapatalk inside my phone!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 03 Feb 2015, 09:51
Oh my goodness, Joyce's face.

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/7c40a04f98009b5a08cb4b563023a1a2/tumblr_nj7fazFsJ51qkinreo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: explicit on 03 Feb 2015, 13:52
She does kinda look possessed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Feb 2015, 15:40
If her eyes turn red and she starts speaking in tongues then we'll know.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 03 Feb 2015, 15:50
If her eyes turn red and she starts speaking in tongues then we'll know.

No, it'd be more subtle, like a swear word.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Feb 2015, 16:27
You mean like "poops"? (This IS Joyce after all...)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Feb 2015, 18:33
"poops"

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/7c40a04f98009b5a08cb4b563023a1a2/tumblr_nj7fazFsJ51qkinreo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Feb 2015, 21:35
Today on DoA

Real world Revelation for Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 08 Feb 2015, 22:10
As long as this isn't part of some long journey towards Joyce becoming an atheist or something. I can see Willis doing something like that and I already kind of have gripes about how he treats religious people in his comic. I just like that the comic has a religious person who isn't a complete toolbag, but it's kind of just Joyce atm and he portrays her as incredibly ignorant (which I guess can be justified).

Don't get me wrong, everyone should be accepting regardless of religious affiliation or sexuality, I just don't want the only religious character who isn't a jerk to suddenly stop believing in totality. I'm kind of making a leap aren't I...

EDIT - I realize how some of this sounded. Ahem. OF COURSE JOYCE SHOULD FEEL THIS WAY. I've just been thinking about the religion thing for awhile is all.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Feb 2015, 23:28
She's mad at organized religion, but she clearly still believes. For now, at least.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Feb 2015, 02:16
It's worth noting that Joyce is autobiographical on Willis's part.

And, what about Sierra, for someone who's religious but not a jerk?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 09 Feb 2015, 06:05
Or Billie for that matter?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Feb 2015, 05:20
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang
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Post by: Weed Forestin on 10 Feb 2015, 06:26
Roz needs to get off Tumblr.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 10 Feb 2015, 10:11
No Roz needs to say it even louder so Joyce finally gets the bullshit out her head. I swear, she's the most unlikable character in DoA (yes, that includes Mike!!)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Feb 2015, 10:35
Billie's not religious, but I did completely forget about Sierra.

And there's nothing wrong with Joyce. She's sweet and she tries. Yes, she was force fed church dogma since she was born, but you're seriously going to blame a person for that? We already know that Joyce didn't even know bisexuals existed, she's been sheltered her whole life. I don't think we should judge a person based on what they believe, but based on how they act. Which is why I was kinda peeved that Willis makes all his religious characters act like assholes all the time (except Joyce and I guess Sierra now, but she doesn't really ever do anything). Joyce doesn't act like a self-righteous, "I'm clearly better than you" type of person, but Roz certainly does.

EDIT - you know what the worst thing anyone can do for someone who's trying to better themselves? Tear them down for it because they're not at the level someone wants them to be yet.
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Post by: Masterpiece on 10 Feb 2015, 10:45
Billie has stated on more than one opportunity that she believes in god.

On a completely different note, I hope that Joe takes this lesson to heart and helps Danny with his outing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Feb 2015, 10:46
I can't and don't blame Joyce for how she was brought up. She was very sheltered and programmed to think that way by her parents. Who were probably brought up that way by their parents and so on and so forth... She's never even thought of questioning whether or not what she is taught is right or now, because she's never been given that chance. Now she's being forced to see just how rigid control and thought policing can cause real, serious harm to people. She's having to re-evaluate everything she knows is true.

That said, I don't think Roz is wrong to a degree. Up until coming to college, Joyce was part of the problem unwittingly. Which is kinda the whole point of keeping people sheltered and training them not to question their indoctrination. So they don't think about it. I do think she is wrong in blaming Joyce for it though. She's as much a victim as anyone else. Now that she's had her eyes opened at least somewhat... if she goes back to 'What I was taught is right, everyone else is a sinner' then she would be to blame for consciously choosing her programming while knowing the harm it causes. But that doesn't seem to be where she's heading.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Feb 2015, 10:53
Believing in God does not equate to religious. I believe in God and identify as Christian, but do not consider myself religious.

And Joe has been a pretty one-dimensional character so far, it'd be nice to see him not act like a frat-douche for a little bit.

Bah, extra posts! Neko, yeah I agree with that. Do I think Roz is necessarily wrong? No. But she shouldn't act like because one, it's a douchey thing to do, and two, acting like that harms whatever cause you're fighting for. Being dicks towards people who are coming around to your point of view is pretty dumb.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Feb 2015, 14:50
Dang Roz, stick the boot in why don't you?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Feb 2015, 21:08
Shit's about to get heavy.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Feb 2015, 21:24
Guh, this is what I get for zooming through the archives in under a week.  Why did I have to catch up now?!  Now I'm stuck waiting for one update a day like everyone else, and it's excruciating.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Feb 2015, 21:30
Yeah, that was me a few months ago.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Feb 2015, 21:48
Guess I'll have to binge on Shortpacked! next.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Feb 2015, 21:53
I haven't read any of his other stuff. Maybe when DoA ends I'll go back and read everything.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Weed Forestin on 14 Feb 2015, 13:30
I don't think that'll be for a while.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2015, 13:32
Well, no rush, then.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 14 Feb 2015, 13:32
I feel like there's still years to go
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Feb 2015, 14:22
+++DRAMA ALARM+++
+++DRAMA ALARM+++
+++DRAMA ALARM+++
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 14 Feb 2015, 14:30
What sound does a drama alarm make?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Feb 2015, 14:40
I feel like there's still years to go
Hopefully.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 14 Feb 2015, 21:20
I feel like there's still years to go
Hopefully.

I think Willis said somewhere that he was only going to write about their Freshman year of college.  But considering we're only a few weeks into the first semester, this first year could last a while... (and I'm not complaining at all)

Also, I think Joyce is broken now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 14 Feb 2015, 21:46
This just in: gay people are puppies
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 14 Feb 2015, 22:04
This just in: gay people are puppies
Ethan says Sasquatch.  :-P
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Feb 2015, 22:05
What sound does a drama alarm make?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLuNy8qfK9Q
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 15 Feb 2015, 21:09
Amazi-Girl really needs to hunt down this Ryan fellow.  Really, how hard is it to find a guy with a fresh facial scar?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Feb 2015, 21:15
Does Ethan know about Ryan? Because I don't remember any point where Joyce tells him about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 15 Feb 2015, 23:01
Amazi-Girl really needs to hunt down this Ryan fellow.  Really, how hard is it to find a guy with a fresh facial scar?

He clearly goes to the school and a lot of people saw him and know what he did. I know they didn't go to the police or anything, but I'd imagine someone would have kicked his ass by now.


And no, Ethan doesn't know. I'm pretty sure he just knows Joyce is clearly having a tough time with something at the moment.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Feb 2015, 07:14
Yesh, so having gone back and reading all the early years I missed I understand last week's comics better. Some time has passed since that party and current though, weeks or months. Sarah already did a pretty good job of kicking his ass, and Joyce didn't do so bad herself, though that was just luck and lashing out. As far as I know though, they haven't told anyone else yet about the attack other than those who knew about it that night, which didn't include Amber, or anyone who would tell Amazi-Girl. I have no doubt if she knew she'd go after him...

There's also no knowing if he even goes to the school. He was clearly and deliberately targeting Joyce and knew what to say to her. To me that means he's probably raped other girls before. The guy who threw the party said he has seen him at parties before, but not that he knew him. It's possible he doesn't even go to college, or goes somewhere else, but hunts for targets at college parties, especially ones with freshmen attending, as they're likely to be the easiest targets.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 16 Feb 2015, 07:18
Of course Amber knows. Amazi-Girl was there that night. She went after Ryan but couldn't find him, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Feb 2015, 08:08
Ah yes yes, that's right...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 16 Feb 2015, 21:26
Well, Joyce is trying, at least.  Eighteen years of religious indoctrination aren't overcome in just one day.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Feb 2015, 06:37
That is true. She's also finally dealing with her near-rape after all this time trying to ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. That's a double break down right there. She's going to need her friends around, I think.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Feb 2015, 14:42
Ahhh, I was wondering who scarface was.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 17 Feb 2015, 14:54
It took me a while to get who it was as well. I figure the scar is from the glass she hit him with.

(The comments helped as well)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 17 Feb 2015, 14:59
Yeah, she fucked him up. Still seems odd no one would have kicked the shit outta him then and there, but I'm not the one telling the story I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Feb 2015, 15:54
Well, Sarah did with the bat. Amazi-Girl would have, but by the time she or anyone else knew what was going on he had already disappeared. To most everyone else, all they knew was some crazy chick showed up and started beating the crap out of some guy. Pretty much everybody else was drunk, and probably not going to be paying attention to two people chatting it up to realize something wonky was going on. That's one of the reasons serial rapists like that are able to get away with it for so long.

The fact that he hasn't shown up since (as far as I know) and we haven't heard of him getting his ass kicked by one of Joyce's friends, or friends of the guy who held the party is a main reason why I think he doesn't go to school there, or live nearby. Joyce seeing his face on everyone but Ethan right now is  a window into her thoughts and reasoning... And why she feels she's been using Ethan. Since he's gay, she thinks he's the perfect boyfriend for her.. He'll never want sex from her. So he's the one guy she doesn't see as doing what her attacker did, or try to do.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 17 Feb 2015, 21:34
I really hope they catch Ryan soon, so Joyce can stop worrying and spend all her time playing matchmaker for every gay person she meets.  Once she has Becky settled, she will find Ethan a nice boy to marry, dang it, only there can't be any pre-marital hanky-panky involved.  Unless her views on that evolve (eep!) as well.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 18 Feb 2015, 11:16
I really hope they catch Ryan soon, so Joyce can stop worrying
I am afraid tha'ts not how this trauma thing works...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 18 Feb 2015, 14:31
Speaking from someone who was almost murdered, nope! It doesn't work like that at all!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Feb 2015, 16:12
Yeah, my bad, I was being way too glib about Joyce's trauma in that last comment.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 18 Feb 2015, 16:18
I just don't like how the guy's name is Ryan seeing as that's my brother's name. It's makin' me feel weird.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Feb 2015, 13:47
Today on DoA

Becky Remodels
Joyce Reboots
Ethan is the butt of a joke
Dorothy considers murder
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 20 Feb 2015, 14:37
With Becky's new hair comes an attitude that is pretty fackin' rude.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 21 Feb 2015, 13:15
The adorable butch girls are the cutest.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Feb 2015, 13:41
I just think Becky is overcompensating for the years she spent as a repressed individual.  Balance will come.


Especially after she bangs Joyce
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 21 Feb 2015, 21:16
Oh dear, Joyce is in for it.

And Becky, I think, has certain latent powers, she just needs to learn how to use them properly.  She needs to team up with Mike.  They could do a good cop/bad cop routine.  Ferret out people's dirty little secrets and destroy them sweetly and/or cynically.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 21 Feb 2015, 21:18
Bad things are happening for a lot of people. I'm scared.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Feb 2015, 21:20
*facepalm* Someone want to get a sock for Becky's mouth?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Feb 2015, 21:32
She'd probably prefer a Ball Gag.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Feb 2015, 21:33
They could use one of Joyce's socks, but she might enjoy it too much.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 21 Feb 2015, 21:34
I'm having mixed feelings about these things that were just said.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Feb 2015, 09:04
I meant that Joyce might enjoy the silence too much. What did you think I meant?  :roll:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 04 Mar 2015, 17:47
Becky, come one. You saying Ethan should of forced himself on her by now?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Mar 2015, 17:49
The way I read it is that she figured out that Ethan is gay on her own (the same way Walky did) and this is her way of calling him out on it. I could be (and probably am) wrong, though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 04 Mar 2015, 17:52
I hope so.  Becky is coming off quite radical.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/EWkLSOqATlkAM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Mar 2015, 18:26
DOUBLY SO, it would seem :clairedoge:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Mar 2015, 18:49
Becky, come one. You saying Ethan should of forced himself on her by now?

Well, to be fair, her first question was "You get in each other's pants yet?"  Which is kind of a weird thing to ask.  Goshdarned glorious or not, Ethan is waayyyy too tall to wear anything of Dorothy's, and Dorothy would probably need a belt to keep Ethan's up.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Mar 2015, 21:57
Ethan

Introspection R Us
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Mar 2015, 06:33
Ethan' s reaction seems to suggest that my interpretation of what Becky said was right, or at least he had the same interpretation. ..

(Off topic... I freaking hate touch screen keyboards. Loathe them.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Mar 2015, 07:00
They're fine on phones, but tablets are pointless.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Mar 2015, 10:42
(Off topic... I freaking hate touch screen keyboards. Loathe them.)

What type?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Mar 2015, 10:45
The default keyboard on the LG Optimus. It's like a combination of the regular Android keyboard and the Swype keyboard (except the pattern recognition is terrible, making it useless).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Mar 2015, 10:47
The Google Keyboard is a ducking agile (fucking asshole) about not wanting to swear.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Mar 2015, 11:40
I almost don't want to get a new phone because my current phone knows all my swear words. Even "fuckpants" ^_^
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Mar 2015, 12:02
The Google Keyboard is a ducking agile (fucking asshole) about not wanting to swear.

You can disable that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Mar 2015, 12:14
You can, and that means that it'll actually swear after about your fourth try to get it to swear.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Mar 2015, 12:18
Tucking piece of shot keyboards...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Mar 2015, 12:21
Bunch of Monday to Friday monkey fighters.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Mar 2015, 12:59
But if you have to do it four times, then it will have so much more feeling in it!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Mar 2015, 13:05
But if you have to do it four times, then it will have so much more feeling in it!
That takes on a new, interesting meaning after reading this link Jeph posted on his Twitter account (http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity737.html).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 06 Mar 2015, 02:22
So, am I the only one who doesn't really like Becky?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 06 Mar 2015, 03:09
mmm. right there with you. the shit she pulled with ethan is not okay.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 06 Mar 2015, 21:07
Okay, I've been patient, but Becky's starting to grate on me, too.  Not even a moment of vulnerability can help, since she goes right back to being mean-spirited.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Mar 2015, 12:58
I think Becky's just overcompensating for half a lifetimes worth of repression.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 07 Mar 2015, 22:17
Yeah, I recognize that, and like I said, I was being patient.  But my reaction to yesterday's strip was an uncontrollable "Ugh, Becky will NOT. SHUT. UP., will she?"  So I guess I reached my limit?

But then today's strip hit, and the mild feels overwhelmed my annoyance.  Awww, Joyce is evolving being a good friend!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Mar 2015, 22:21
What? JOYCE
is evolving!

JOYCE evolved
into GOODFRIEND!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 08 Mar 2015, 00:17
Yeah, I don't really care for Becky too much either. I can't even read the comment section on days with Becky because they're always just talking about how wonderful she is. The more I feel like they're trying to make me like her, the more annoyed I am with her. But honestly, there just isn't anything in particular about her that I enjoy. For me, she's primarily annoying. I like the complexity of her back-story and such, but she's the type of person I would not get along with. She reminds me of someone I know, a person that I have referred to as Maleficent on here before. It's not just that they're aggressively assertive about "LOOK AT ME; I'M A LESBIAN." There's a lot of neediness that shows in how they want someone to be paying attention to them every moment of the day. That's something they have in common, and they also are very much about their own needs, especially in terms of "If you have a problem with me being insensitive and rude, then it's just because ~you can't handle me.~" Ugh.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 08 Mar 2015, 01:54
What? JOYCE
is evolving!

JOYCE evolved
into GOODFRIEND!


Evolution? D:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 09 Mar 2015, 07:54
Yeah, I don't really care for Becky too much either. I can't even read the comment section on days with Becky because they're always just talking about how wonderful she is. The more I feel like they're trying to make me like her, the more annoyed I am with her. But honestly, there just isn't anything in particular about her that I enjoy. For me, she's primarily annoying. I like the complexity of her back-story and such, but she's the type of person I would not get along with. She reminds me of someone I know, a person that I have referred to as Maleficent on here before. It's not just that they're aggressively assertive about "LOOK AT ME; I'M A LESBIAN." There's a lot of neediness that shows in how they want someone to be paying attention to them every moment of the day. That's something they have in common, and they also are very much about their own needs, especially in terms of "If you have a problem with me being insensitive and rude, then it's just because ~you can't handle me.~" Ugh.

Becky:
(http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201502_1845_hfbbh_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 09 Mar 2015, 07:55
Wait, I thought they weren't drinking anymore?! :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Mar 2015, 07:58
Billie and Ruth fell off the wagon together.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 09 Mar 2015, 13:50
Don't you remember them getting drunk and then having all dat sex? (implied sex, I guess, I don't have slipshine).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Mar 2015, 16:18
Irony of the Comic

It's Teatotaller Night at the Club.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 10 Mar 2015, 21:17
Dear Joyce and Walky:

YOU ARE DEAD TO ME.

Love,
Gladstone
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Mar 2015, 22:31
Only the Yakusa 'Apology Method' will redeem them


And I don't like Sushi.  Nothing personal, it's just the way i feel about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 11 Mar 2015, 00:01
Only the Yakusa 'Apology Method' will redeem them


And I don't like Sushi.  Nothing personal, it's just the way i feel about it.
I can't eat sushi.  Rice spikes my blood sugar too much.  Even brown rice.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 11 Mar 2015, 00:06
I try to stay away from seafood in general, mostly because I'm not so happy with the fishing industry, but sushi and shashimi tastes fucking wonderful. I have to guilt trip myself not to get seafood.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 11 Mar 2015, 06:57
I've never had sushi, I'd have to go to the city two hours away to get to a restaurant and I'm usually visit in the city with my Partner who hates fish.

Becky is trying real hard to prove she's Joyce's best friend.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 11 Mar 2015, 10:15
Too hard, methinks.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Mar 2015, 10:46
I suspect she's kept everything bottled up for so long, now that she's out from under her family's rules she's trying to 'catch up'. I also am guessing she feels a bit threatened by the fact that she feels all she has left is Joyce, and she has all these new friends.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: KingOfIreland on 11 Mar 2015, 12:08
The becky thing annoys me, she needs to tone it down right the fuck now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Mar 2015, 12:38
I think she'll balance out in the end. 

She's on a high now that she's finally come out to both herself and others, eventually she's going to come down from it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: dr. nervioso on 11 Mar 2015, 20:47
Becky reminds of a lot of young GLB kids I have met (including myself). It's a whole new world and we tend to be so excited by the fact we can finally be open, that we don't think so much about how much we might annoying the shit out of our friends.* She just needs time to adjust to all the changes in her life and find a nice medium

*This is a condition that one of my friends lovingly refers to as "Baby Gay Syndrome."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 11 Mar 2015, 21:13
Okay, I overreacted above.  Joyce's aversion to sushi was understandable, considering her issues with food.  It's just Walky who was being unforgivably immature about it, and wasting good sushi.  At least Joyce is trying, even if her desire to make and keep Becky happy is going a bit far.  Everyone's overcompensating these days, I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Mar 2015, 22:49
Becky reminds of a lot of young GLB kids I have met (including myself). It's a whole new world and we tend to be so excited by the fact we can finally be open, that we don't think so much about how much we might annoying the shit out of our friends.* She just needs time to adjust to all the changes in her life and find a nice medium

*This is a condition that one of my friends lovingly refers to as "Baby Gay Syndrome."

I don't know any others here who are, but I think it's different when you 'Come Out' when you're older.

I know it was for a friend of mine when she finally came out three years ago.  She had been married and has a son, and was actually the GF of my ex-friend - I think I've mentioned him here before.


In case I haven't, that's not the reason I dropped him two or so years back.  There were other issues in regards to that matter.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 12 Mar 2015, 21:08
Becky is so jelly right now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 12 Mar 2015, 21:34
Becky is so jelly right now.
She looks so jilted and jelly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 13 Mar 2015, 06:00
Oh Becky. I know that look from myself :( Poor baby.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Mar 2015, 14:14
Wouldn't worry about it too much since Dorothy is banging Walky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Mar 2015, 14:48
I think Becky kind of hoped Joyce was a secret lesbian too. Now we see another girl being cutsey with her BFF. I know what Becky's eating. Jelly donuts.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Mar 2015, 16:37
I just realized earlier today that Joyce still hasn't called her mom back.  And her mom called her before she had her giant revelation in Gender Studies, back when she was only just worried about Becky.  Now she has Ethan to defend, too, so how is she going to tell her parents that she stands by her gay best friend and broke up with her gay boyfriend because she realized she was wrong to try to change him?  She should be making battle plans, not eating sushi. 

Maybe Ethan should give Joyce's sister a call, fill her in on the developments.  (And what happens when Joyce finds out about Jocelyne?)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 13 Mar 2015, 17:46
Simple: Walky told her mom she's in the bathroom, and Dorothy made her eat sushi, so her mom can be convinced that she's just been in the bathroom ever since then (you mean you fed her RAW FISH!?), hence why she never called back.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Mar 2015, 17:56
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Mar 2015, 13:42
Today on DoA

Becky drops the F Bomb
Joyce mellows out
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 15 Mar 2015, 21:37
I'm a little puzzled that Joyce hasn't mentioned that Ethan didn't dumper her, she dumped Ethan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 15 Mar 2015, 21:52
But then she would have to explain why she dumped him, along with why she started going out with him in the first place when she already knew he was gay.  She's probably easing into the subject.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Mar 2015, 00:01
Joyce also never told the other two that are at the table that Ethan is gay. They know, of course, but Joyce never told them.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Mar 2015, 15:35
Which is you know, the right thing to do. Actually, has she told Becky that Ethan is gay? Of all the people there, she's the one seemingly most likely to not know. I was more under the impression that Becky was trying to push him away from Joyce because she still hopes Joyce will like girls.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Mar 2015, 15:50
I don't think Becky thinks Ethan is gay, no.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: A Duck on 18 Mar 2015, 13:02
So I randomly decided to click the "Dave Willis Sniffs Butts" link a few days ago.

Damn you, Willis. I have a life to attend to.

I had seen some of Shortpacked a few years ago, but it was kind of hard to break in with all the continuity baggage (plus I think it was around the time I found QC, so choices were made).

Now I have caught up with DoA, read all of Roomies (really neat to see the present-Willis commentary about past-Willis) and a bit of Walky. A bit weird to see the DoA characters in an older work (and they will be the "DoA characters" to me forever, since that's where I started), but still interesting.

And I have to say, using the same set of characters (and continuity, up to a point) in all your works is something pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Mar 2015, 14:42
So, today Jason introduced Sal to his friend Harvey.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Mar 2015, 16:04
I don't get it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Mar 2015, 20:56
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042546/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_43
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 19 Mar 2015, 21:51
I'm so happy about all the things that just happened
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Mar 2015, 22:16
Drunk Sal is funny
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Mar 2015, 22:56
Yeah, I was kind of annoyed that Sal and Jason (and Billie and Ruthless, earlier) were taking time away from Joyce & friends, but tonight's comic made it all worth it. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Mar 2015, 22:03
Okay, forget Joyce & friends.  I want nothing but Jason and Sal for the next week of comics.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 21 Mar 2015, 04:57
I don't. To be honest, I tend to find their interactions rather predictable and dull.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Mar 2015, 14:30
Jason will not break the first rule
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 21 Mar 2015, 21:24
I liked them when they were arguing.  Not sure I like where this is going now.

I have a feeling Jason's about to get in trouble for being in a dorm room with a drunk student.  Stop asking annoying questions and leave, you silly git!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 21 Mar 2015, 23:09
Who would give him trouble? Ruth? For being in a dorm room with a drunk student? She is likely drunk off her ass right now. With another drunk  student in her room.

Of course, I can see her attempting to kick Jason out and falling over from bwing drunk and Jason being "am I the only one who can hold his liquor?"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 22 Mar 2015, 00:00
Mary could cause trouble.

"A TA brought an underage student home DRUNK, and our RA wasn't paying attention because she was drunk AND having sex with a student!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Mar 2015, 06:56
Would it even raise an eyebrow at the university to find a TA was having relations with a student? I mean, it should for all the obvious reasons. But considering a teacher pretty much flat out told Jason nobody there cares while throwing him out of her office to boink a student would seem to indicate it's a pretty indiscreet place in that regards... Not to mention it's most likely Sal who would be in trouble if she's underage, which I think she is. "What are you doing here?" "I stopped at the pub and found this student of mine half drunk, so I got her back to her dorm." Some people might not believe him.. but considering he can get the bartenders there to back him up likely that they didn't come in together and Sal was drinking before he showed he wouldn't get in trouble over it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 22 Mar 2015, 10:26
Wait, whasshername (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/twelvethirty/) is a teacher? I got the impression from that comic strip she was a fellow TA.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Mar 2015, 10:27
Penny is a TA, like Jason is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 22 Mar 2015, 10:57
Would it even raise an eyebrow at the university to find a TA was having relations with a student? [...] Not to mention it's most likely Sal who would be in trouble if she's underage, which I think she is. "What are you doing here?" "I stopped at the pub and found this student of mine half drunk, so I got her back to her dorm." Some people might not believe him.. but considering he can get the bartenders there to back him up likely that they didn't come in together and Sal was drinking before he showed he wouldn't get in trouble over it.

Yeah, you're probably right.  I was mostly just thinking aloud.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 24 Mar 2015, 21:17
Hooray! implied masturbation!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Mar 2015, 22:43
Mirror, mirror on the wall .......
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 26 Mar 2015, 03:03
Poor Becky indeed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Mar 2015, 00:27
Mike

In the head

At 1000 yards

With a Barrett 50
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 27 Mar 2015, 02:53
I wondered if that was the same Kugai over there.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Mar 2015, 07:02
New storyline...

I'm not too sure what that exactly means, though? I picked up DoA some months ago, right when Becky showed up at Joyce's door, and I haven't been able to really dig through the archives yet.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 27 Mar 2015, 08:50
The print books are divided into chapters. That's all it means. If you're a comic book reader, you'll see that most have storylines as well with rarely a plotline overarching.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Mar 2015, 12:29
I wondered if that was the same Kugai over there.

Yes, yes it is.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 02 Apr 2015, 21:51
Sexy things have been happening. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Apr 2015, 22:55
Carla cant be THAT naive

Can she??
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Apr 2015, 21:27
There's...dude smut?

I dunno, Ethan, four-hour dude smut binge shame spirals (say that five times fast) are fun and all, but wouldn't it have been a good idea to get in touch with Joyce's sister and draw up some battle plans?  Because I have a feeling a battalion of fundy Christian parents are about to descend on ISU pretty soon, and somebody needs to start preparing...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Apr 2015, 21:59
Why doesn't he just use incognito mode?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 04 Apr 2015, 22:08
Why doesn't he just use incognito mode?

Look, some people just haven't been looking at smut on the internet for as long as we have, alright?  :wink:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 05 Apr 2015, 00:16
Why doesn't he just use incognito mode?
Or, as I call it, porn mode.
(Fun fact: the key combination to access it, Ctrl-Shift-P, can be accessed while using only one hand. At least in QWERTZ, QWERTY, and AZERTY.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2015, 03:45
I use it for plenty of non-porn things. If I do anything on someone else's computer, I use it, especially if I log in to anything.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 05 Apr 2015, 04:55
I do the same on other people's computers.

I'm intrigued to see Becky's possible new look.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Apr 2015, 05:29
we see C-3P0 first though  :-P

Medium sure we see Vader before either, and the argument is easy that the original trilogy is about him
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 05 Apr 2015, 08:29

I'm intrigued to see Becky's possible new look.

Becky starts being as cool as Sal. Joyce becomes one very confused girl.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Apr 2015, 11:32
And ends up getting even more shocked and confused as Becky seduces Sal
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 06 Apr 2015, 00:23
To be fair, I also use porn mode mainly for testing purposes if I need to see how a page looks both when logged in and not logged in/logged in with a different account.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Apr 2015, 08:08
But you still call it porn mode?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Apr 2015, 08:13
But you still call it porn mode?

If you use a knife to open a bottle, is it still not a knife?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Apr 2015, 08:14
Right, it's a knife, not a "meat cutting thing". It does many things.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Apr 2015, 08:24
Right, it's a knife, not a "meat cutting thing". It does many things.

Precisely so with porn mode. Porn is the primary application, not the only.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Apr 2015, 08:33
It's Ctrl/Cmd-Shift-Porn for a reason.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Apr 2015, 12:03
Maybe Ethan can start a Terms Wiki that Joyce can use.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 06 Apr 2015, 15:00
But you still call it porn mode?

Yes. I never claimed I was consistent, nor that I was 100% serious.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 07 Apr 2015, 10:55
Are you complete?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 10 Apr 2015, 16:20
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/307303a07528d6458aef328c5844607c/tumblr_nmkow5OoHc1qkinreo1_500.png) (http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/116001312012/the-becky-is-over-9000)

That is just too much Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Apr 2015, 16:50
The hell it is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Apr 2015, 22:27
But... I don't like Becky all that much...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Apr 2015, 22:36
I'm not a huge fan either, just wanted to use that line.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Apr 2015, 23:16
Too much Sal
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 11 Apr 2015, 07:24
So is Becky caught now?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Apr 2015, 12:21
That all depends
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 11 Apr 2015, 17:35
Damn Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 11 Apr 2015, 18:18
That all depends

It depends on who's looking, and whether they'll tell.

I'm too new to know these characters that are watching, but I've done what Joyce is doing, sheltered someone in my dorm room against school policy, so I know that it's okay for students to know, but it can't get back to faculty. In my case, it wasn't even a big secret to anybody that knew me or my friend. Then again, we had no RA, just an old guy in charge of the entire dorm as a unit, so it was easier to keep the information out of the wrong peoples' hands.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 11 Apr 2015, 21:00
That all depends

It depends on who's looking, and whether they'll tell.

I'm too new to know these characters that are watching, but I've done what Joyce is doing, sheltered someone in my dorm room against school policy, so I know that it's okay for students to know, but it can't get back to faculty. In my case, it wasn't even a big secret to anybody that knew me or my friend. Then again, we had no RA, just an old guy in charge of the entire dorm as a unit, so it was easier to keep the information out of the wrong peoples' hands.
I never heard of a RA until Dumbing of Age.  But then, I never lived in a university dorm.  I don't think they have RAs here, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Apr 2015, 21:01
Where I went they had them in the dorms, but they were called "prefects" instead of RAs.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 11 Apr 2015, 21:04
Did you go to fancypants school!?

... I just wanted to say fancypants... I'm sorry...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Apr 2015, 21:06
Nah, just some little Catholic liberal arts college.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Apr 2015, 21:09
Actually, the more I look at it, the more I think that that outfit doesn't suit Becky

Sal's style just seems ........ off on her body type.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 11 Apr 2015, 21:16
Still, better that than this (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/sally/).

Sure, Sal can wear just about anything, but seriously, those, um, "shorts" just looked ridiculous.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Apr 2015, 08:20
Nah, just some little Catholic liberal arts college.
Hogwarts?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 12 Apr 2015, 08:24
According to the religious people I've heard from, Hogwarts is a heathen school. Besides, a proper Catholic college has "Saint" at the beginning of its name.  :-P
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Apr 2015, 08:46
Wait, do we know what's on that paper?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 12 Apr 2015, 08:48
Yes. (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/questioning/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 12 Apr 2015, 09:50
So basically - and I feel like I'm 90% sure of this - people are going to start assuming Joyce is/wants/is going to be porking Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Apr 2015, 10:01
Oh right.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 12 Apr 2015, 12:10
I am starting to like Joyce more and more, because she's being such a gigantic doofus about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Apr 2015, 15:29
I wonder if Ruthless will go.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 12 Apr 2015, 15:48
Only if she could watch Joyce squirm. :P
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Apr 2015, 21:09
That's a given.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Apr 2015, 21:12
Phone call! 

Goshdangit, Joyce, I told you to prepare for this, but did you listen to me?  Noooo.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Apr 2015, 21:53
Come to the Dark Side Joyce

We have Lesbians with Cookies
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Apr 2015, 06:16
Sorry, Joyce heard "cooties" and now she's terrified again.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Apr 2015, 15:11
Dammit!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 16 Apr 2015, 14:00
I'm enough in the midst of a depressive episode that I can't tell whether I just don't enjoy this strip anymore in general or if I don't like it right now because I'm depressed enough to have lots of really negative thoughts toward things I like, including one of my favorite movies.

One of my issues right now is that I'm having a lot of angst about being the age I am and not relating very much to the people around me because they're at such a different, immature point in their lives. Just makes me feel like the odd one out, even more so than usual.

I think I'd like to take a break from DoA and all of its drama, but I compulsively check it because it's one of my only comics that actually updates every day. :S
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Apr 2015, 21:35
I think I'd like to take a break from DoA and all of its drama, but I compulsively check it because it's one of my only comics that actually updates every day. :S

I've been trying to do the same recently, not for the same reasons as you (and I hope you find a way to cope with your issues--my early-mid twenties kinda sucked too, but hang in there, the mid-late twenties get slightly better, kinda, I think?), but because I spend way too much time compulsively checking updates as well.  Same with QC.  I wish I had the patience to build up a 1-2 week backlog of strips to read at my leisure, rather than watching Jeph's Twitter and checking the time every few minutes to see if it's 11:01 PM local time yet, but I haven't quite succeeded yet.  Although I did manage to take a two-week hiatus during Faye's hospitalization by binge-reading Dumbing of Age, so maybe I just need to find some other long-running webcomics to distract me...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Apr 2015, 21:55
Well!!

At least Walky's honest.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 19 Apr 2015, 02:55
maybe I just need to find some other long-running webcomics to distract me...

I've been reading Guilded Age recently, and would recommend it if you asked. Or even if you didn't.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Apr 2015, 05:44
Second on Guilded Age. Also Gunnerkrieg Court, Girl Genius, Waspi Square, El Goonish Shive, Flaky Pastry.. and many more. All excellent comics I've been reading for years and would recommend. Oh, and something called Questionable Content, if you're into that sort of thing...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 19 Apr 2015, 15:04
I think I'd like to take a break from DoA and all of its drama, but I compulsively check it because it's one of my only comics that actually updates every day. :S

I've been trying to do the same recently, not for the same reasons as you (and I hope you find a way to cope with your issues--my early-mid twenties kinda sucked too, but hang in there, the mid-late twenties get slightly better, kinda, I think?), but because I spend way too much time compulsively checking updates as well.  Same with QC.  I wish I had the patience to build up a 1-2 week backlog of strips to read at my leisure, rather than watching Jeph's Twitter and checking the time every few minutes to see if it's 11:01 PM local time yet, but I haven't quite succeeded yet.  Although I did manage to take a two-week hiatus during Faye's hospitalization by binge-reading Dumbing of Age, so maybe I just need to find some other long-running webcomics to distract me...
Thanks. :) I'm kind of treading water for the next few weeks, but there's a lot at stake. :/

I have quite a few other comics I'm hooked on, and I'm getting caught up on my GoComics, so that's nice to have a backlog of.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Apr 2015, 16:38
Second on Guilded Age. Also Gunnerkrieg Court, Girl Genius, Waspi Square, El Goonish Shive, Flaky Pastry.. and many more. All excellent comics I've been reading for years and would recommend. Oh, and something called Questionable Content, if you're into that sort of thing...

Thanks for the recs!  I have Gunnerkrigg, Girl Genius, and EGS bookmarked to read, but hadn't heard of the rest.  Also Shortpacked and Girls with Slingshots, among others.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 21 Apr 2015, 21:15
WELP.

(So much for trying to take a break...)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 21 Apr 2015, 21:35
I am now ready for someone to start cuddling.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Apr 2015, 22:48
*Cue slow, dramatic music*
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 23 Apr 2015, 05:14
All aboard the feels train

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-04/20/2/enhanced/webdr05/anigif_enhanced-buzz-2261-1429512248-16.gif)

Joyce is doing her best to try to block out the explanation with her mind and just trying not to think about it.  :cry:

I can't help but feel like this is all culminating into a confrontation with that guy.  Becky beats the shit out of him, cops come and take away Becky and the guy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Apr 2015, 05:24
This is one of those times when I don't know what's going on. I'm familiar with Roz only from Shortpacked, but the characters are different in DoA, and there's different histories for everybody. I guess we'll find out the backstory sooner or later...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Apr 2015, 08:07
Have you not read from the beginning of DoA? Why would you jump in without catching up?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Apr 2015, 08:39
Have you not read from the beginning of DoA? Why would you jump in without catching up?

Honestly? Because it was a link on the QC page, I enjoyed what was happening, but I haven't had time to rewind through the whole archive. My first strip was Becky's arrival and Joyce's reaction. It seemed interesting, and I know some of these characters from Shortpacked already. Well, their personalities, thinking specifically of Mike here.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 23 Apr 2015, 08:59
It's kind of an important thing.. The short version of it is that some of the others convinced Joyce to go to a party at the college. Sarah protested that it was a bad idea, but they went anyway. Joyce met a guy there who pretended to be nice and religious, but was just looking to get her alone so he could rape her. He slipped her a roofie at one point, and while she was fuzzing out, she hit him with the glass she was  holding, cutting his face and her hand. That's how blood got on the orange sweater. Then Sarah showed up with a baseball bat and slugged the guy. During all the confusion, he slipped away and the girls got Joyce back to her room. Despite others urging her to report it, she just didn't want to think about it and eventually they relented. Joyce has been stewing about it ever since. The guy that Joyce kept seeing everyone as a few weeks back when she ran from gender studies to find Ethan was the attempted rapist. And probably a serial rapist because he's apparently been known to cruise college parties like that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Apr 2015, 10:14
Thanks for the run down

I had seen something about that in the comments, I think. I knew that somebody, one of the characters either had bedn, or nearly was raped in the recent past. The comment was vague, someone pointing out that dramatic storylines weren't unheard of in this strip.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Apr 2015, 11:13
Fair enough, it's just weird to me to start in the middle and keep going from where you started instead of going back and catching up, even if that takes a while.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Apr 2015, 16:21
Fair enough, it's just weird to me to start in the middle and keep going from where you started instead of going back and catching up, even if that takes a while.

It is for me, too. Never done it before. My job is finishing up tomorrow, I'll likely spend part of my unemployment reading through the rest of it
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Apr 2015, 16:45
It is for me, too. Never done it before. My job is finishing up tomorrow, I'll likely spend part of my unemployment reading through the rest of it

It'll probably take you about a week, tops.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 23 Apr 2015, 20:47
Took me two days, though that was about 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 23 Apr 2015, 21:24
New strip made me sad and go awww, what do we call that?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Apr 2015, 23:44
One step at a time for both Joyce and Becky
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 23 Apr 2015, 23:47
New strip made me sad and go awww, what do we call that?
Saaaawww?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 24 Apr 2015, 22:43
DORM PARTY.

DOOM PARTY.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Apr 2015, 07:19
That's probably something you should ask your roommate if she's ok with.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Apr 2015, 07:22
DOOM PARTY.
"As the Doom Party's nominee for President, I promise that upon entering office, I will start a nuclear war with everyone."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 25 Apr 2015, 14:01
This,,,,,,,

Will not end well
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 26 Apr 2015, 11:50
THIS WILL END GREAT, I DON'T NEED YOUR NEGATIVITY.

...

EVERYONE WILL BE GETTING A PONY
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Apr 2015, 01:14
So Danny's gonna tell her he's bi, right?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 04:56
Eventually.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 29 Apr 2015, 05:05
I think Dorothy is going to figure it out before Danny does, considering his jump to, "I'm not gay."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 29 Apr 2015, 15:37
Cue Dotty trying to hook him up with some guy.
If only there was a socialising opportunity nearby happening on this very evening. Something like a... what do you call a social hangout with friends and snacks and maybe music?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Apr 2015, 15:39
...has anyone actually called her Dotty?

Also, why would Dotty want to hook him up with anyone? He has a girlfriend.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 29 Apr 2015, 15:47
Hm, maybe I have only read it in the comments.

I... dunno? Exercising her people skills as a future president?
(I am just thinking of the most train wrecking scenario.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 15:47
The whole setting-people-up deal is really Joyce's new thing, and I imagine she'll have some trouble grasping the meaning of bisexuality.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Apr 2015, 16:00
She's just barely coming to terms with the idea that being gay may not be the Worst Thing Ever. If you introduced her to bisexuality at this point her head may go *pop*.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 29 Apr 2015, 17:52
I'm pretty sure Becky called Dorothy Dotty.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 21:18
Well, took you long enough, Danny.

Honestly, I'm with Dorothy on this one.  Never understood bi-erasure, myself.  Once it dawned on me that I also liked guys I just went "Oh, I guess that means I'm bisexual?" and walked around in a daze for a bit because it all made sense.  Get with it, Danny!
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Post by: Loki on 30 Apr 2015, 00:19
She's just barely coming to terms with the idea that being gay may not be the Worst Thing Ever. If you introduced her to bisexuality at this point her head may go *pop*.
Would it really?
I mean, I can kinda see her going a "oh, you can still be rescued since you may become happy with a woman like God intended" route.
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Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Apr 2015, 02:25
I'll say that when I was in high school, I participated in a hybrid of bi-erasure and slut-shaming. (Basically, the "bi people just want to expand their pool of sexual partners to get more sex" myth.)

Then again, I at least knew what bisexuality was! Dear kitteh Danny is being dense.
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Post by: explicit on 30 Apr 2015, 21:03
I think this is the only time where saying, "that person is so gay" is socially acceptable. At least in math terms.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 01 May 2015, 01:43
I have a feeling Becky is gonna make this way worse.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 01 May 2015, 06:29
Doesn't she always?
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Post by: Welu on 01 May 2015, 08:01
Becky already doubted the existence of bisexuality when talking to Billie in an echo to Danny's, "Is there even a word for that?" (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/sneaking/) Maybe she's about to learn something, and be tactful about it, hopefully.
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Post by: explicit on 01 May 2015, 13:24
It'll be funnier if she isn't
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Post by: ChaoSera on 01 May 2015, 14:07
I don't think 'tactful' is in Becky's vocabulary.
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Post by: Masterpiece on 02 May 2015, 03:54
The "best in class" bonus comic that came out yesterday made me see Sal in a very different way than before.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 May 2015, 04:20
What happened in it?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 02 May 2015, 10:11
They have sex and she only orgasms after asking him to pretend they're together.

This message is coming from Tapatalk inside my phone!
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Post by: Method of Madness on 02 May 2015, 11:28
Oh, wow. Is it a Patreon thing?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 May 2015, 11:32
No, one of the Slipshine comics. 
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Post by: Method of Madness on 02 May 2015, 11:34
Ahh.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 May 2015, 11:48
He included some (mildly nsfw) preview art (http://itswalky.tumblr.com/tagged/slipshine) on his tumblr, plus a link to a (actual nsfw) 2-page preview (http://slipshine.tumblr.com/post/117834905926/enjoy-these-two-pages-from-david-williss-new) on Slipshine's tumblr in today's comic.

I'm...mildly curious? (understatement), but haven't worked up the courage to actually subscribe and read it (along with the other DoA comics).  Yet.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 02 May 2015, 11:58
I don't know, does Slipshine let people download them? I wouldn't mind reading it but I have no desire to subscribe.
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Post by: Gladstone on 02 May 2015, 12:11
Nope, it's subscription-only.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 May 2015, 12:33
I mean can people who subscribe download the comics.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 May 2015, 20:07
Okay, so just this afternoon, I finally started reading from the start, and I am so very glad I read so much of Shortpacked before this because the way Willis included Galasso, and the (currently-only-in-Roz's-head) match between Leslie Bean and Robin make me so very, very happy.

Also, I was surprised how quickly I got to the party scene I asked about earlier in the thread. That was apparently four years ago, and it's relevant on a modern level? Wow, this strip must move slower than I thought, which sounds like a criticism, but holy crap, it's funny
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Post by: cesium133 on 06 May 2015, 20:24
It moves like the glacier. The comic averages about one week of in-universe time per year, though the average is only that high because of some time skips.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 06 May 2015, 20:49
That seems to work out, seeing as in the most recent strip I've read which is after just under a year of strips, Joyce hadn't picked a church yet, and I'd think she would if it were anything but her first Sunday on campus. That sentence got away from me and I don't know how to fix it, really. I hope it made sense.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 16:18
It's weird that I'm reading these strips from two years ago, and I'm cross-referencing with their futures, seeing what he was setting up way back when.
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Post by: Masterpiece on 07 May 2015, 16:33
Look closely. There's hidden references referencing Book 4 all the way back in Book 1. It's genius.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 16:36
Look closely. There's hidden references referencing Book 4 all the way back in Book 1. It's genius.

It's been happening the entire time I've been reading! Like, my first comic was where Becky showed up at Joyce's door, and I've been keeping up since, but now I know these characters' futures!

Also, I think Dina is the best ever. She is my fave, I think.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 07 May 2015, 16:44
Did you see the part where Walky calls his sister black, but himself beige?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 May 2015, 16:45
What future (well, present or less past) event does that predict?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 16:47
Saw that, am wondering what on earth it could predict.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 07 May 2015, 16:50
What future (well, present or less past) event does that predict?
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 May 2015, 17:02
They're twins? I forgot about that. Also...they kinda look the exact shade to me. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 07 May 2015, 17:07
Time for you to re-read Dumbing of Age.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 May 2015, 17:11
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever reread a webcomic. Especially not one as long as DoA. Seems daunting.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 07 May 2015, 17:18
I just read it for the first time about a month ago.  Took less than a week.  The daunting part comes when you catch up and realize you have to wait for daily updates like everyone else.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 May 2015, 17:23
Yeah, that's what I did last year. I don't know if I'm up for doing it again.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 07 May 2015, 17:39
Ah, gotcha.  I'm not usually one for binge-reading, but DoA somehow worked out that way.  On the other hand, I'm enjoying Gunnerkrigg Court at a nice leisurely pace, and will probably take a few weeks to catch up.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 18:00
Ah, gotcha.  I'm not usually one for binge-reading, but DoA somehow worked out that way.  On the other hand, I'm enjoying Gunnerkrigg Court at a nice leisurely pace, and will probably take a few weeks to catch up.

Did that with Girls With Slingshots a xouple months ago. It was nice, but this is a fast-paced run-through
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 May 2015, 18:12
Oh man, you had the worst timing. At least I had a year or so with GwS before it ended. (Unless you did it because it ended.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 18:47
No, see, I began my read-through, then three days later, Danielle announced she was finishing up
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 18:48
Finished my leisurely read through about a week before the series was ended
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 May 2015, 19:00
Oh shit, I suspect I now know what was hidden by Masterpiece in his spoiler. Damn. Intense.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 May 2015, 23:10
Low blow Joyce, low blow.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 May 2015, 04:05
This is just a guess but Becky has been a fixture in Joyce's life for a long time. So long a time that I thinks she's become something of an emotional life preserver. Confronted with someone advocating letting go of this, it isn't surprising that Joyce became violently defensive. Irrespective of whether Joyce is romantically interested in Becky in any way whatsoever, I think that she is strongly opposed to her not being constantly available to her as, frankly, I think she would feel lost without her presence.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 May 2015, 04:46
That makes me think of a possible plotline, actually - what happens if/when Becky finds a girlfriend, and has less time for Joyce?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 08 May 2015, 05:13
No, see, I began my read-through, then three days later, Danielle announced she was finishing up

Not as bad because it was announced a year in advance but when I finally read all of Shortpacked! I finished on the day Willis announced he was ending it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 May 2015, 05:26
No, see, I began my read-through, then three days later, Danielle announced she was finishing up

Not as bad because it was announced a year in advance but when I finally read all of Shortpacked! I finished on the day Willis announced he was ending it.

Okay then, no, I missed THAT. I started just before the 'one-month-until' announcement. I kinda assumed that was the first she'd said...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 May 2015, 05:28
Ok, who is Dana again?

Re: GwS, I don't remember seeing the "one year until thing" when I was reading, and I'm pretty sure I started more than a year before she finished, but maybe I started reading soon after that announcement.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 May 2015, 05:35
Ok, who is Dana again?

Sarah's freshman roommate. Drug addict. The reason Sarah's Freshman-year friends abandoned her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 08 May 2015, 06:18
No, I mean Shortpacked!, different Willis webcominc, did a one year in advance announcement of its ending, that happened to be announced the day I caught up with the archive. GWS only announced a couple months in advance.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 May 2015, 11:49
Welp, shattering all predictions, it has taken me a little less than three days of unemployed slackery to read through Dumbing of Age up to where I came in. I didn't read it daily at first, so I've got probably a dozen or so more strips before it happened that I was hooked, and then I'll probably just read through the rest anyway because why not
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 May 2015, 05:19
I've only really just started reading DoA seriously but, already, the thing that strikes me is how fundamentally nice Joyce is. She's in many ways the antithesis of the Christian fundamentalist as generally portrayed in modern popular culture. Not only does she follow the moral strictures but she also embraces the commandment to show unselfish and unconditional love to everyone.

I think that was why her snapping at Sarah caused such a huge shock in the fandom. It is massively out-of-character for Joyce to be malicious, even when angry (which is rare in its own right). I think it may be an indicator of just how seriously she's taking 'looking after' Becky until she can get back on her own two feet. Justifiable or not, I think that she misunderstood what Sarah was saying as meaning: "I want you to abandon your friend in need because I don't want here in my room". That isn't what she said, of course, but it's what Joyce heard.

I'm wondering if Becky will return to the room to find Joyce and Sarah holding on to each other and crying their eyes out. We'll never know what they said to each other, of course.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 14 May 2015, 05:31
It's also worth noting that Joyce is an autobiographical character on Willis's part, which really can explain a lot, I'd say.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 16 May 2015, 09:02
Billie, you fucking moron.

/me puts $1 in the swear jar
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Post by: Method of Madness on 16 May 2015, 09:09
I thought the t-word was "tapioca". It's fun to say as a minced oath, even if it doesn't sound like any actual swear words I can think of.
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Post by: Kugai on 16 May 2015, 15:59
Tequila
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 19 May 2015, 21:07
"don't subvert what I really hope is God's will" I don't know why I find that as funny as I do.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 May 2015, 23:22
The really worrying thing about today's strip really suggests Joyce has some kind of plan in work. It's worrying because Joyce isn't typically any good at that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 May 2015, 04:33
Fuck, is it her old roommate?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 20 May 2015, 04:56
No dudes, she wants to invite Jacob.
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Post by: Kugai on 20 May 2015, 16:02
Hypergolic
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Post by: BenRG on 20 May 2015, 23:30
Now I've got the feeling that Sarah and Roz are going to have their own 'Jacob sucks!' mini-party whilst Joyce futilely tries to cheer them up!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2015, 07:47
Damn it, Jacob, even ignoring the whole Sarah thing, if you get invited to a party that's specifically only for invited people, you don't bring someone else without asking in advance.

Also is that just a random girl we've never seen before or is that a character?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 May 2015, 07:57
Also is that just a random girl we've never seen before or is that a character?

Jacob couldn't have chosen more poorly. That's Raidah - She is one of the group of students that seemed to centre around Sarah's former roommate, Dinah. Sarah, as you know, got Dinah thrown out of the college for serious drug abuse, so serious that she was in danger of killing herself from ODing. From the look Raidah is shooting at Sarah, bygones are definitely not bygones.
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Post by: bhtooefr on 21 May 2015, 08:02
When Raidah was introduced: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/02-uphill-from-here/taken/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2015, 08:09
Daaaaaaaaang, I went back and read the story and I forgot how completely and utterly blameless Sarah was. I'd forgotten what she did, I thought maybe she snitched on Dana or something, but Dana was fucked up in many ways, and Sarah just called her dad. Her friends were pretty terrible friends, really.

That being said...are we sure that's Raidah? It sort of looks like her...but not quite.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 21 May 2015, 08:16
Protip: The tags for each comic list the named characters in each comic, and Raidah has a tag in the latest.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 21 May 2015, 08:44
...oh. Well that's useful to know. And clicking on her name gives me all the comics in which she appears! Ok then.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 21 May 2015, 09:37
I am very unhappy about this -- I really don't understand how anyone can put blame on Sarah for what happened with Dana. In my opinion, she did what she had to, and was able to, do. Dana's friends, like Raidah, were ignoring how badly Dana was doing; and thus not really acting like friends.
I don't like Raidah because she acted so shittily towards both Sarah and, indirectly, Dana, and I wish she wasn't at the party. Kind of shitty of Jacob to bring her without asking beforehand -- at which point it would have become clear that neither Joyce nor Sarah would want Raidah there.

I guess maybe this is a setup for Raidah showing that she's changed for the better and apologising? I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 May 2015, 10:05
I guess maybe this is a setup for Raidah showing that she's changed for the better and apologising? I certainly hope so.

Or her being an utter [censored], ruining the party and leaving poor Joyce in tears - A drama that leads several pending matters (relationship-wise and otherwise) crystallising out under the pressure. Does Amber realise that she can be a hero without wearing the cape? Do unexpected people come to Joyce's defence? Does Jacob dump Raidah on the spot for her behaviour? Does Ruth get attracted by the noise and ban parties in the dorms for the rest of eternity?

We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 21 May 2015, 10:17
I assumed Becky would have explained it was invite-only because that's super important but maybe she brain-farted? Jacob doesn't seem jerky enough to invite someone after being told not to do so.

I can kind of understand from the other side that Raidah and all missed, whether through ignorance or more likely hoping their friend would snap out of their issues, that they think Sarah over-reacted. I think also likely is they just want a scapegoat to blame. I wonder if they're still in contact with Dana? Which might be why they're so hard on Sarah if Dana insists she was fine. Although that's mostly me giving a lot of benefit of the doubt.
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Post by: Kugai on 21 May 2015, 14:47
Hooo boy!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 21 May 2015, 19:40
Oh man, you had the worst timing. At least I had a year or so with GwS before it ended. (Unless you did it because it ended.)
I discovered Dar Comic 2 weeks before it ended.
http://www.darcomic.com/ (http://www.darcomic.com/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 21 May 2015, 19:49
The really worrying thing about today's strip really suggests Joyce has some kind of plan in work. It's worrying because Joyce isn't typically any good at that sort of thing.
She's truly awful at it, if truth be told.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 May 2015, 23:39
Okay awkwardness abounds in today's strip. I don't think that either Raidah or Sarah are inclined to start trouble; if anything, neither of them seem to know what to do or even think! Meanwhile, Jacob is entertainingly clueless about what he may have triggered.

Also, Dina is Dina and reminds us why we want to hug her!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 22 May 2015, 02:18
I really don't get why everyone likes Dina so much. She's such a onenote character
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Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2015, 04:43
Comic relief can be pretty damn important.

Also wait, why would Sarah be in the same dorm room two years in a row?

Also, Raidah needs to leave now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 22 May 2015, 08:34
I personally identify with Dina a lot, she and my younger self have a lot in common. Except when I did similar things, I was read as difficult and when she does it, she's being read as naive but endearing, for the most part.
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Post by: ChaoSera on 22 May 2015, 08:37
It's the hat. You probably didn't have the hat.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 22 May 2015, 08:39
True. The closest is that I used to have a giraffe hat. (https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/485928_10200393103092974_808929037_n.jpg?oh=15dcd18f9c55ed79ccbec93bf0616535&oe=55C5DEFF)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 May 2015, 15:39
Pillows a thirty paces
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 22 May 2015, 16:48
I personally identify with Dina a lot, she and my younger self have a lot in common. Except when I did similar things, I was read as difficult and when she does it, she's being read as naive but endearing, for the most part.
Oh, I'm not the only one who identifies with Dina a lot?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 May 2015, 19:48
I personally identify with Dina a lot, she and my younger self have a lot in common. Except when I did similar things, I was read as difficult and when she does it, she's being read as naive but endearing, for the most part.
Oh, I'm not the only one who identifies with Dina a lot?

Trust me, you're not
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 May 2015, 23:20
It seems Sarah's interest is renewed!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2015, 23:35
Or just her interest in Raidah not being happy. This won't end well for anyone.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 May 2015, 23:40
Well, looks like Sarah's got herself a mission. Seduction based on a revenge agenda is never a good thing. Frankly, this can't end well!

I feel very sorry for Jacob. He's very much been dumped in the middle of an avalanche of drama that is not his own. Now he's caught between two intelligent and forceful young women who both clearly intend to use him as a weapon against each other. All he wanted was a stress-free second date!

Meanwhile, poor Joyce is likely to be left trying to carry the party hostess duties alone (or at least alone with Becky, who is jealous and defensive). Nope, nothing could go wrong there!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 23 May 2015, 07:17
I know this is spiteful and not nice, but I do not want Jacob and Raidah to be happy together. Raidah behaved so meanly and has been portrayed as a pretty shallow and manipulative person, and Jacob seems like a really nice guy... Also, I'd much rather see Sarah be happy... To be fair, Sarah's 'renewed interest' really seems to be less in Jacob than in Raidah not 'getting' him either, which will probably not make her happy, no matter how this turns out.
:-(
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 May 2015, 07:32
That is true.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 May 2015, 08:26
I don't want Jacob and Raidah to be together because I want Jacob to be happy and Raidah is an absolute shit.

(I'd like Sarah to be happy too, but as long as her happiness is tied to someone else dating or not dating someone else then she never will be.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 23 May 2015, 20:54
To be fair I think Sarah was interested in Jacob. She's just so determined to sabotage all of her relationships that she pushes most people away.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 May 2015, 23:00
To be fair I think Sarah was interested in Jacob. She's just so determined to sabotage all of her relationships that she pushes most people away.

This.

In other news, Dann'ys expression made me laugh. He is 100% in agreement with Walky on this one.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 May 2015, 23:49
It's too late for Sarah to pretend that this never happened. The whole party heard her ranting and there is no way now to claim that it never happened! Hopefully, social embarrassment will stop her from doing anything stupid ("Oh no! Everyone will know what this is about! "). Meanwhile, I've got a feeling that Raidah's 'personality' will do Sarah's dirty work for her!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 24 May 2015, 03:04
I still hope that Sarah will tell Jacob her side of the story in spite of her embarrassment and not just withdraw into her shell completely.

To be fair I think Sarah was interested in Jacob. She's just so determined to sabotage all of her relationships that she pushes most people away.
Yeah, I think so, too.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 25 May 2015, 00:43
Joyce's niceness goes too far sometimes. I think it sometimes weirds out her peers! Poor Roz seems to be despairing of the fading chance that she'll ever offend her!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 25 May 2015, 23:48
Optimistically, what Raidah is saying in today's comic is that Sarah is toxic to her. Being around Sarah makes her behave in a way she doesn't like and do things that she would normally never consider doing.

Pessimistically, she's trying to slander Sarah to get Jacob's sympathy and aid.

I've got a feeling that, at the end of this, neither woman will end up looking particularly good.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 May 2015, 02:42
Optimistically, what Raidah is saying in today's comic is that Sarah is toxic to her. Being around Sarah makes her behave in a way she doesn't like and do things that she would normally never consider doing.

Pessimistically, she's trying to slander Sarah to get Jacob's sympathy and aid.

Realistically, both are varied levels of true. I expect she was mostly intending to make Sarah look like the guilty party, but that doesn't mean she's not aware of how hateful she's been toward and around Sarah. In the lie, there is truth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 26 May 2015, 03:14
Are you trying to up your post count by posting thrice?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: pwhodges on 26 May 2015, 04:27
Sometimes I find that CloudFlare has a glitch which means that it fails to refresh after making a post; it is easy to try again until it works, which can result in multiple posts - and not everyone has the forum set to display what they've just posted, so they don't automatically get a reality check.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 May 2015, 04:28
Interesting that she pointed out the thing Sarah did that was actually bad, instead of the thing she's actually mad at Sarah for. I wonder if that means she knows deep down Sarah was right to do that.

Also I deleted chaos's multiples.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 May 2015, 06:02
Optimistically, what Raidah is saying in today's comic is that Sarah is toxic to her. Being around Sarah makes her behave in a way she doesn't like and do things that she would normally never consider doing.

Pessimistically, she's trying to slander Sarah to get Jacob's sympathy and aid.

Realistically, it's both, I believe. I expect she was mostly intending to make Sarah look like the guilty party, but that doesn't mean she's not aware of how hateful she's been toward and around Sarah. In the lie, there is truth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 26 May 2015, 16:25
I think it's more a case of Radiah trying to justify the unjustifiable - her failure to accept that Sarah did the right thing before it was too late.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 26 May 2015, 23:40
Blast! Now Willis is making me want to hug Joyce too!

I think that this is the moment when Wally really comes to appreciate just how alien Joyce's belief system makes her to the broadly-accepted definition of 'normal' for a college student.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 May 2015, 10:48
Personally, that exchange is all the justification Walky needs for the party not being all bad
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 May 2015, 19:32
It is 9:30, I'm bored, and I checked back. Somehow, I had missed that Billie was adding liquor to Walky's drink in the last frame.

I stand by my initial statement, and add that the alcohol could add to the enjoyment of ridiculous justifications
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 May 2015, 23:45
Poor Dina; I'm sure Sarah wouldn't mind if she came and sat with her in the bathroom for a while, if she needs to have time to let her brain catch up! I have heard of that before - autistics saying that there are 'too many faces' or 'too many voices'. Their condition makes it difficult to process the social information humans get from voice tone and facial expression. Basically, Dina is suffering from a biological version of a buffer overflow.

As for Danny? I think that he needs to realise that Walky has a near-flawless gaydar/bidar.

[edit]
The float-text for the strip is "True stories abound". I wonder if David Willis knows a man or woman with such a condition?

[edit 2]
"Boy-fling" is going into my lexicon as a useful relationship descriptor. FWIW, I interpret Padma as having been Marten's girl-fling, if you need an example.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 May 2015, 00:04
Dinaaaa...

*Sadface emojii*

In other news, I don't know that Walky was intending his comment to bring up Danny's budding bisexuality or that he was giving his honest opinion. We haven't seen much in the way of him showing interest in anyone but Dorothy, he could be fully bi, for all I know, given my only experience with him is the few filler strips of Shortpacked he appeared in. I mean, Jacob's drawn to be an attractive dude, why couldn't Walky just be pointing out his actual attributes in a half-joking manner?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 28 May 2015, 01:56
My first thought was boyfling might be a QC reference. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1943)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 May 2015, 04:12
Welu, I thought that too.

Walky has a near-flawless gaydar/bidar.
Ha, there's no way Walky meant it like that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 May 2015, 22:54
I really don't get why everyone likes Dina so much. She's such a onenote character

Today's comic is why I like Dina so much. She's happy now. Happy Dina makes for a happy me.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 28 May 2015, 23:33
Problem-solving the Dina way: When overwhelmed by sensory input, muffle said senses. Ethan isn't getting his hoodie back any time soon! He won't mind, though; I've got the feeling that he's one of the world's nice guys.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 29 May 2015, 09:38
What's wrong with her
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 May 2015, 09:42
What's wrong with her

Nothing? I think she is autistic. She doesn't easily understand body language or facial cues, so tends to take everything she's told at face value and doesn't give off those cues herself, so she comes off to others as 'weird'. It also explains why she gets overwhelmed by large amounts of stimulus, like all the people at a party.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 29 May 2015, 09:46
What's wrong with her

David Willis has never specified that she has a specific mental condition. However, those in the know believe that Dina is autistic.

If so, then, like a lot of autistics, she has difficulty dealing with crowds and specifically lots of people. Mostly this is due to her brain finding it difficult to process all the information about mood and other social cues coming from people's faces, body postures and tones of voice. Autistics tend to find this very difficult and, in a interacting crowd like this and the conflict with her own desire to interact socially, Dina is probably suffering a bit of a communications lobe overload at the moment. Covering her head so she doesn't have to deal with so much sensory information probably seems like a decent short-term fix. It also means that Ethan is going to have to deal without having his hoodie for a while but so be it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: K1dmor on 29 May 2015, 18:16
 
Quote from: David Willis
Walkyverse Dina has implied she is neurodivergent (http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2189). 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 May 2015, 20:41
Point of order, Dina qualifies under the 'non-white' clause she named, so that's not a sure thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: K1dmor on 29 May 2015, 21:31
 But what if she's two things or >gasp< three things at once?? (http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2186).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 May 2015, 21:36
But what if she's two things or >gasp< three things at once?? (http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2186).

Overruled: Conjecture.

Besides, the court should recognize, people who are three things are a liberal myth, with no basis in reality.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 29 May 2015, 21:41
I was gonna say she's behaving autistic but I didn't want to sound insensitive as I've never met an autistic person before
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 May 2015, 21:51
Well, autism is a general category... I guess is the best way to describe it? Not everyone who is autistic reacts to stimulus the same way. I have a friend who is autistic and when he gets overstimulated, like say being around a lot of people who are being loud like at a party, he will start to get hyperactive. I've heard of people who react like Dina is. Even Sherlock, from the series of the same name, seems to fall under that umbrella. Which would explain in part both his difficulty in relating to and interacting with people, and his habit of noticing things that slip other people's attention.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 May 2015, 00:00
So, will Walky:

a) Have a night of ecstasy with Dorothy and a purgatorial hangover in the morning or

b) Get his drunk ass benched by his disgusted GF, who prefers sober yet fun (such as Joyce, mostly unintentionally)?

Either way, I think that he will regret trying to handle the hard stuff as easily as Billie can! For him, the shift to 'mistakes were made' has already happened!

Meanwhile, Dina has shown that 'uncanny valley' is such a routine part of Joyce's life that she barely notices anymore! And still, Amber has yet to make her appearance.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 May 2015, 00:51
Aha! Caught!

Benched, maybe, but Dorothy seems more amused in that last panel than disgusted.

In other news, regarding my quest to complete Shortpacked, CLAIRE appeared in a strip! I was sure it was her on sight, but the only confirmation I could get was that he definitely namechecked Jeph in the post beneath. it wasn't to give credit, though, at least not directly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 May 2015, 06:10
Dorothy seems to very much like drunk Walky. What's this talk of "benching"?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 30 May 2015, 10:12
I dunno, that eyebrow curl in the last panel has a bit of an, "Oh dear." look to me. I'm gonna say it have a bad feeling about intoxicated Walkthrough. He's said very insensitive things in the past and booze won't improve his filter.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 May 2015, 10:17
Aha! Caught!

Benched, maybe, but Dorothy seems more amused in that last panel than disgusted.

In other news, regarding my quest to complete Shortpacked, CLAIRE appeared in a strip! I was sure it was her on sight, but the only confirmation I could get was that he definitely namechecked Jeph in the post beneath. it wasn't to give credit, though, at least not directly.
He occasionally used Coffee of Doom as a setting in Shortpacked. The tag links underneath those comics contain the tag "Plagiarism of Doom" or something like that. There's another one with Faye in it, that Jeph recognized by putting Amber in a QC comic saying the same line.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 May 2015, 10:29
Aha! Caught!

Benched, maybe, but Dorothy seems more amused in that last panel than disgusted.

In other news, regarding my quest to complete Shortpacked, CLAIRE appeared in a strip! I was sure it was her on sight, but the only confirmation I could get was that he definitely namechecked Jeph in the post beneath. it wasn't to give credit, though, at least not directly.

He occasionally used Coffee of Doom as a setting in Shortpacked. The tag links underneath those comics contain the tag "Plagiarism of Doom" or something like that. There's another one with Faye in it, that Jeph recognized by putting Amber in a QC comic saying the same line.

Are you suggesting I read through it again and look for these things
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 May 2015, 10:30
*cackles maliciously*  :evil:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 May 2015, 10:44
*Sigh*

Fiiiine. It was bound to happen anyway...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 30 May 2015, 13:38
Screw you, I cheated with Google. (http://www.shortpacked.com/2013/comic/book-15/01-about-face/bores/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 May 2015, 14:04
That IS the strip I was talking about. Didn't notice Faye the first time around, but then, she has no lines and I don't notice background characters so much. Claire would have slipped by too, most likely, if not for her connection to the punch line.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 30 May 2015, 19:02
And the tag name is "Coffeeright Theft" (http://www.shortpacked.com/searchcomic.php?search=coffeeright%20theft)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 May 2015, 22:54
It's so weird to see DoA characters in other comics...even though they were there first. Also, heh:

Quote from: today's alt-text
as the sliding timescale overcomes that date, assume it's a vacation weekend she has planned for sophomore year
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 31 May 2015, 22:05
What's wrong with her
What's wrong with her
It's assumed by many, including me, that she has Aspergers Syndrome.  Which is part of the Autism spectrum. 

This is classic Aspy behaviour:
(http://www.dumbingofage.com/comics/2012-08-28-weird.png)
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/05-saturdays-all-right-for-slighting/weird/

I actually didn't realize that was unusual, until I read the symptoms of Aspergers.

I said to my childhood best friend that I think I might have mild Aspergers and he said he never said anything because he assumed I knew.

My dr. said if my friends thought that, then it's probably true.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 May 2015, 23:31
I'd really like to know what Sarah's glare was trying to communicate to Sal today. I suspect that the two of them were finding an unflattering reflection of their own behaviour in the other and blaming the other for it.

[Edit]
Additional thought not worth a separate post. Why is Sal wearing her gloves when in her dorm room? Two obvious options come to mind:
However, there's a third option: What if she's trying to hide something? We know that she became the person she is now essentially due to jealousy issues directed at her brother. Maybe she has some relics of those feelings that she doesn't want to make public like self-harm scars?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Jun 2015, 07:12
She wears the gloves to hide the scar from when Amber stabbed her (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/down/).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jun 2015, 07:26
DANNY: "Oh my GOD! Are you Amber under there?"

AMAZIGIRL: "... I don't know..."

God, that gave me chills. That's something straight out of the Frank Miller school of borderline-psychotic screwed-up anti-heroes! Every champion has their darkness in their past and I guess this is Amber's!

So... I'm thinking that Danny is Amber's White Knight?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jun 2015, 23:40
Prediction from today's strip: Amber will walk in and freak out on seeing Sal (very much the other boogie man in her life after her father). Sal will recognise the psycho who maimed her hand in turn and the freak out will be mutual. From there on it's Willis's call. Ethan and Danny's presence will probably stop either women from running (a genuinely funny desire to protect the guys from the other gal).

There may be a fight but I hope that they will talk and, just maybe come to an understanding of just how screwed up and blameless they both were at that time in their lives. I can already see Joyce blubbering about 'the joy of the peacemaker' as Danny persuades them to make some gesture of bygones. It would be the deepest of ironies if Amber's circle are the first serious friends that Sal makes at college.

With this final demon confronted, Amazi-Girl may no longer be needed by Amber's fractured psyche. It would be an interesting twist if Sal persuades her to carry on because the world needs positive symbols and those who will stand up for the little guys.

[Edit]
I moved the rest of this post to The Writing Club (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29351.msg1322418.html#msg1322418) thread as it really belongs more there than in a general discussion thread about the comic itself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 02 Jun 2015, 11:42
Pacing-wise, enough time has passed between Amber announcing she'll come and her appearing as for it to be a surprise. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Jun 2015, 13:13
That would make an interesting turn, and I'd love to see how Willis handled it, but I'm not so sure. That the two might recognize each other is more likely than they would make a scene. Amber, at least, wouldn't do it here, not at Joyce's dorm party, right?

I see awkwardness before a confrontation.

In other news, Joyce's face when she hears Apples To Apples had a part in corrupting Sal made me giggle.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Jun 2015, 17:04
Hey!  This is Sal, whaddaya expect!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Jun 2015, 18:38
Hey!  This is Sal, whaddaya expect!

I still find it strange. Have you played Apples To Apples? It's not the most sexually charged card game out there.

I'm curious for details, but not in a kinky way. Just out of scientific curiosity. This is a bizarre phenomenon.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Jun 2015, 20:16
Sal has encountered Amber before, without recognizing her (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/weirdo/).  She probably didn't get a good look at her attacker when she was stabbed three-ish years ago, so Amber would have to actually identify herself...but since most of her encounters with Sal while not in uniform have triggered panic attacks, she's unlikely to get that far this time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 02 Jun 2015, 20:49
Hey!  This is Sal, whaddaya expect!

I still find it strange. Have you played Apples To Apples? It's not the most sexually charged card game out there.

I'm curious for details, but not in a kinky way. Just out of scientific curiosity. This is a bizarre phenomenon.

The first time an ex and I had sex was with a game of strip setback (it's a common card game, but it's often called something different depending on the area you're from), so anything is possible.

Though that might have been due to the fact that she wanted to have sex, but couldn't exactly express it, so we'd always have to start it in weird ways. That or I'm great at card games.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Jun 2015, 21:17
...and after today's strip, I really hope Ethan has a sudden epiphany:

ETHAN: "Wait, I remember!  You're that girl who held up the convenience store three years ago!"
SAL: "How th' hell d'you know that?"
ETHAN: "I was there!  You took me hostage!"
SAL: "That was you?!"
ETHAN: "Yeah!  And then Amber stabbed you in the hand!"
SAL: "Who th' hell's Amber?"

Enter AMBER.  Drama ensues.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Jun 2015, 21:21
I'm sorta thinkin' it might go like this:

*Sal, Ethan, and Danny peacefully playing Apples to Apples with everyone else*
*Amber enters, sees Sal*
*Amber is speechless*
Sal: It's YOU! Ah'd recognize you anywhere, Amazo-Girl!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Jun 2015, 22:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHkP88fx164
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Jun 2015, 22:45
Laughing more than the joke is worth that we got the person wrong, who recognizes Sal.

Of course it's Ethan. He, at least, is PRESENT at the moment.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jun 2015, 23:51
I, personally think that Amber's fight/flight response to Sal will go to 'fight' this time because of her perception that she needs to 'protect' Ethan and Danny from her. I'm thinking that the story will spill out in a hysterical mess after Ethan restrains her and that is when the mutual story telling begins.

I'm thinking that Billie, afraid that Amber and Sal may seriously hurt eachother, may go to get Ruth and she'll arrive in time to hear with everyone else just how much Amber and Sal's childhoods sucked.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 03 Jun 2015, 06:38
I find it weird that Ethan doesn't recognize her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Jun 2015, 06:40
It was a long time ago. Which is why when Sal sees Amber she's more likely to recognize her as the girl who ambushed her at Walmart a couple days ago rather than the girl who stabbed her years ago.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Jun 2015, 21:12
I love how Dina is wearing her hat atop the jacket
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Jun 2015, 23:13
It was a long time ago. Which is why when Sal sees Amber she's more likely to recognize her as the girl who ambushed her at Walmart a couple days ago rather than the girl who stabbed her years ago.

That depends on just how much trauma the stabbing caused for Sal. Given that she never takes off her gloves, even when sleeping, it is possibly a fairly major open wound in her psyche.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 04 Jun 2015, 01:32
Sal has already seen Amber near the elevator. Amber flipped out and Sal just stared at her in a confused way and said "weirdo" or something like that. So she clearly doesn't remember.
I'm not sure the glove-wearing is due to trauma.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2015, 02:10
Sal has already seen Amber near the elevator. Amber flipped out and Sal just stared at her in a confused way and said "weirdo" or something like that. So she clearly doesn't remember.

One of the things about all Amber-Sal interactions to date (and I believe that this is deliberate on David Willis's part) is the level of ambiguity about whether Sal actually had the chance to consciously identify the person running past her and the like. It's a nice bit of scene-setting and foundation-laying on his part that leaves us wondering just whether Sal knows the girl who stabbed her is now living just a few doors away and, if she does, how she views this.

I suspect that, whatever is about to happen between these two young women, he's been planning this in some detail for a number of years.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: plusorminus on 04 Jun 2015, 11:13
I don't want to spoil anything for other Willis comics. I read synopses for It's Walky! and Shortpacked! and wasn't really interested in either of them. If this question is spoilery, let me know and I'll drop it, but ... I'm really creeped out and grossed out by Sal and the TA Jason banging. Like to the point where I had to make a decision on whether to continue reading the comic in fear that they would do it again. It just seemed to come out of nowhere and it is so ethically gross and disgusting that I can only think that for fans of Willis's other titles, this pairing makes sense, even here, for some reason, which is why it is happening. Is this correct? Because if so, as much as I like Sara and want to see if she will ever allow herself to get past her guilt over her hand in Dana's departure, and as much as I like Amber and Danny and other odds and ends, I despise power-imbalance relationships.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jun 2015, 11:44
DoA is at least partially autobiographical (his self-insert is Joyce). It's possible that the Sal x Jason thing is based on something that happened to one of Willis's associates at college.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Jun 2015, 11:55
How much power does a TA really have though? It was my understanding that they really just dealt with the things the teacher was to busy or to disinterested to deal with. I would think the Billie/Ruth relationship is more of a power imbalance than Sal/Jason.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2015, 12:51
They grade tests, don't they?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Jun 2015, 12:53
How much power does a TA really have though? It was my understanding that they really just dealt with the things the teacher was to busy or to disinterested to deal with. I would think the Billie/Ruth relationship is more of a power imbalance than Sal/Jason.

I've heard urban legends* about women fucking the TA to get better grades, because supposedly that's something the TA can do, inputting grades and marking papers.

*urban legend might be the wrong term. I've heard it from many sources w/out citation
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Jun 2015, 12:58
I am a TA and had sex with one of my students.

I am somewhat ashamed, but it's not like I have real power over grades. But there's an implication that I could, and that could lead to controversy.

I'm a bit afraid of that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2015, 13:19
Wait, you're a grad student? Or do they have undergrad TAs?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Jun 2015, 13:23
What makes it questionable, I think, is that whether or not a TA could actually do something, the student might think they could. They could lie, and that's um, evil? Fucking sickening?

The power might be imagined, but it's still a TA manipulating a (presumably) younger woman.

Masterpiece, I don't know your situation, but you seem a decent-enough person that you'd have made it clear this girl wouldn't be receiving any different treatment as far as class is concerned. That's the major problem with that sort of power-imbalanced-relationship, and while the school system might not recognize the difference, a reasonable person would. If reasonable people don't see it as problematic, it's less-likely to be reported, which isn't a promise, but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 04 Jun 2015, 14:02
I don't know whether Masterpiece is a grad or an undergrad, but in Germany you can be a "Tutor" as an undergrad, which is kind of like a TA in that you teach example classes and mark the example sheets that people hand in, but there is usually a boss-TA who is a post-doc or maybe PhD student, who sets the problems for the example sheets and who supervises you. You often help marking the exam, but there's several of you, so you're not guaranteed to see every student's exam, and anything questionable willl be checked by the boss-TA or the lecturer.
I was a Tutor for the first time in my second year; I liked it. It was a bit funny that at least half of my students were older than me, but I mostly didn't have authority issues.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Jun 2015, 14:10
As a TA I once had a student who tried flirting with me and even asked me out on a date right after the final. After final grades came out she never talked to me again, though.  :roll:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2015, 14:14
My thoughts on a TA with grading power dating a student? It depends on the topic. If it's a topic where the answer are the answers I'd suppose it'd be less of a conflict than a topic that relies on essays where the quality is a matter of interpretation. (Still inappropriate but the former is less dangerous I guess?)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: plusorminus on 04 Jun 2015, 14:30
Thanks, all, for the clarification and the anecdotes. I don't want to pee on anyone's parade, it's just that I had an up-close and personal view to a TA/Student relationship when I was in undergrad that ended horrifically and it started very similarly to how the Sal + Jason thing started (student failing, going to TA for help, TA openly horn-dogging over her but ratcheting it down because he found her personality off-putting, open enmity, then sex several times after swearing not to do it again). It's odd because David Willis and I are exactly the same age and we both went to Big 10 universities in the same years. The situation I speak of was reported in our student newspaper so it is possible that even though he didn't attend my university, he heard of it through the grapevine. The Sal + Jason thing is almost exactly what happened at my uni, so it's more a visceral squick for me.

I was also surprised that there weren't more comments about the potential improprieties of such a relationship and more of a "Whoo hoo, that's hot!" reaction, which made me think that elsewhere in the Walkyverse, these two have crossed paths under different situations.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Jun 2015, 16:05
Masterpiece, I don't know your situation, but you seem a decent-enough person that you'd have made it clear this girl wouldn't be receiving any different treatment as far as class is concerned. That's the major problem with that sort of power-imbalanced-relationship, and while the school system might not recognize the difference, a reasonable person would. If reasonable people don't see it as problematic, it's less-likely to be reported, which isn't a promise, but it's better than nothing.

Honestly it didn't even occur to her. I told her about my hesitance towards it, and she just said "but you're not going to grade me any differently, are you?" to which I replied, "of course not, but the potential exists, and that's the problem." She didn't seem to understand.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2015, 16:09
Was this the girl you were talking about in the other thread?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Jun 2015, 17:17
The one I ended things with? yes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Jun 2015, 17:18
Honestly I just feel good that I'm learning not to be the dumpee in a relationship.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2015, 17:21
Yeah, that happened to me for the first time a month or so ago.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Jun 2015, 20:26
Plusorminus, are you secretly David Willis, i suspect such.

It should be added, I am two glasses of wine, two beers, six shots into my evening, and am typing this into my phone with one eye shut. My opinion is to be disregarded, unless it is later revealed to be truth, in which case, , masterpiece, well fucking played, I mean godDAMN
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Jun 2015, 21:04
Ouch.. I don't think Becky likes this game anymore...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jun 2015, 00:11
Becky needs a hug... but not from Joyce. Right now, Joyce is the worst person imaginable to have any interaction with Becky that has any emotional content.

Just out of interest, do we know what happened to Becky's mother?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 05 Jun 2015, 01:26
I think she is dead, but I don't know where I think that I know this from, so it might be wrong.
I wish Becky had someone else she is close to, so that she could get some distance between her and Joyce for a bit. This must be painful. (Not that I think Joyce is doing anything wrong here; it's just a shitty situation.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jun 2015, 01:42
I wish Becky had someone else she is close to, so that she could get some distance between her and Joyce for a bit. This must be painful. (Not that I think Joyce is doing anything wrong here; it's just a shitty situation.)

I think that Joyce is doing the wrong thing but for all the best and most laudable reasons. I think that Sarah is right to say that her upbringing and her essentially positive nature make it impossible for her to really understand Becky's feelings and that she is basically torturing her sister-by-choice out of misdirected compassion.

Oddly enough, if Amber's dorm room has to be moved as a result of the near-inevitable explosion when she walks into the party and sees Sal sitting between Ethan and Danny, I'd like for Becky to stay with Dina for a while. Dina really doesn't have the right software to understand sexual desire. She'll see everything in the baldest and most black-and-white rational terms and spending time around her (and, more importantly, away from Joyce) may help Becky get distance and start to rebuild the emotional structure of her life.

That would require Becky to transfer to the college (Indiana State?) but I think that Joyce could spin it to Becky's dad if she were somehow to convince her parents to support the suggestion.

BenRG's Dorm Room Musical Chairs:
Joyce moves to Sal's room - RUTH: "I can't think of any two girls more different than you two, so you'll suffer each other's company until you learn not to turn a dorm party into a RIOT!"
Amber moves to Sarah's room - RUTH: "Maybe having a sophomore as your keeper will calm your ass down, O'Malley!"
Becky is put in Dina's room - RUTH: "Big freak and little freak in one room; that makes it easier for normal people to keep track of you!"
Billie officially moves to Carla's room - RUTH: "Listen, Skater Bitch, I have a nice dossier of all your little 'practical jokes' for the administrators' attention, just in case you get a rare attack of conscience. You bring me and Billie down and I'll make it my business to see that you go down with us!"

I'm thinking that Joyce would help Sal develop a healthier waking/sleep cycle (as well as a broad spectrum of other healthier personal habits) and Sal may help Joyce loosen up in a way that doesn't look like a deliberate self-parody. Also, I suspect that Sarah and Amber will both enjoy having room-mates who have no intent or desire whatsoever to interact with them and... well, unfortunately, I think that the way the Sarah/Jacob/Raidah triangle is escalating, having Amazi-Girl read into the situation and monitoring it may save lives.

[EDIT]
I base the prediction on a move of characters' rooms on the title page picture of Ruth looking at a schematic of the hall of residence's room layout.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 05 Jun 2015, 21:34
Billie officially moves to Carla's room

Carla occupies a single dorm, most likely because she's trans. 

Back to comic: Nooooo, don't leave, Sal!  Amber hasn't come back from patrol yet!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jun 2015, 23:56
Back to comic: Nooooo, don't leave, Sal!  Amber hasn't come back from patrol yet!

This may just be me, but I wonder if Amber... or, rather, Amazi-Girl... is somehow the cause of the message and that's why Sal is in such a hurry.

FROM: Marcie
"Help! Caught  skating on the sidewalk by that crazy vigilante! Need bailing out!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 06 Jun 2015, 00:56
Damn, Becky comes across as so desperate. Poor thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jun 2015, 06:35
Carla occupies a single dorm, most likely because she's trans. 
Wait, what? When was this established?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Jun 2015, 07:28
IIRC, Willis stated it outside of the comic, and it's been implied in-comic a couple of times.

(It's worth noting that this is actually consistent across universes - in the Walkyverse, she was created as Ultra-Car, as an AI for a car chassis, and she was assigned male at creation. She ended up swapping to a humanoid female-body-type chassis later to reflect her gender (but still identified as a car, not a human, IIRC). That's also why she's often portrayed in skates in DoA.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jun 2015, 07:32
When has it been implied in-comic? In-comic as in DoA.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Jun 2015, 07:38
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/permanent/ (NSFW)
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/purpleandskates/
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/introductions/ (states that she gets a single room, given the other context, it implies that it's for official reasons)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jun 2015, 07:46
Ahhh, wow, that interpretation makes sense now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Jun 2015, 09:27
All of these things slipped by me on my first read-through. Good eye.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 06 Jun 2015, 09:41
Willis also explicitly said multiple times on his blog that she's trans: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/77258023970/is-carla-going-to-be-transgender-in-the

And, he spelled out her living situation: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/91020669312/i-was-just-wondering-if-carla-had-any-problems

So, not just an interpretation, it's word of author.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jun 2015, 09:44
Word of author < actually in the comic, but fair enough I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Jun 2015, 14:14
You'll have to do better than that Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Jun 2015, 21:15
Am I wrong in thinking Becky doeasn't seem willing to admit why she's there? I mean, she's making like it was totally her decision to visit Joyce.

I'm sad for Becky. I've been sad for Becky this entire party.

She's as far out of the sexuality closet as is possible; she's nuked the damn thing from orbit, yet she's still hiding behind this 'crazy, irresponsible Becky' version of herself. She might be crazy and irresponsible usually, but her lack of clothes isn't related to that.

Poor Becky, jumping from one fictitous public persona to another...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 07 Jun 2015, 00:20
They are trying to hide that she's there indefintely and pretending she's only visiting so she doesn't get kicked out, meaning she'd have to go to her parents or be out on the street.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jun 2015, 00:36
FWIW, with Sal having left without colliding with Amber, I've got a feeling that the party arc will be mostly about Becky realising that anything is better than staying with Joyce where everything makes her miserable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jun 2015, 04:37
No, not anything. Going home would probably be worse.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jun 2015, 05:16
No, not anything. Going home would probably be worse.

Yet that's the only other option... Sad.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Mlle Germain on 07 Jun 2015, 05:44
I really hope Becky's and Joyce's friendship will survive this. I mean, they've both changed a lot since starting college and that can lead people to question whether they are still compatible with their old friends, but I hope those two can stay friends and use their increased tolerance and broader world-view to embrace their differences and changes in each other's lives.
Actually, Joyce has already shown a strong willingness to question her previous beliefs in order to support Becky and have their friendship stay as intact as possible.

I think Joyce should take Becky to see Leslie. I'm sure she could provide some help herself and point Becky towards organisations that help young people who have broken off contact with their families.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jun 2015, 05:46
No, not anything. Going home would probably be worse.

Yet that's the only other option... Sad.
There has to be a third option. It won't be easy, but she'll probably have to go off on her own at some point. I can't see her going home.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Jun 2015, 05:50
I had honestly not even thought that about Carla, even knowing her history in the greater Walkyverse as Ultracar. It does make sense of things I never really thought that much about before though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jun 2015, 06:37
One option for Becky that occurs to me is for Joyce to try to try to convince Becky's dad to let her transfer to the college (is it Indiana State?). Say that she would 'keep an eye' on her (which she would - no guarantees about outcomes, of course). If he cares about his daughter at all, Becky's father is probably frantic at her disappearance and, for the benefits of her not ending up homeless and worse, I think that he would be willing to leave her in Joyce's care.

That Joyce has no intention of 'curing' Becky or whatever doesn't need to be discussed. In any case I'm pretty sure that Joyce and her parents would likely be very dogmatic that any changes Becky makes to her lifestyle must be those she makes of her own free will or they would be worthless pretences.

However, thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that Becky's dad will track her down sooner rather than later (it doesn't take a genius to work out that she'd run to Joyce). At lot then depends on what nearly losing her to an uncertain fate because she was frightened of him does for his viewpoint. It is even possible that he'll let her re-enrol in her original college rather than risk a breach in what is left of his family.

At least, I hope that he tracks her down and cares enough about her future to care what happens next. The alternative is just too depressing for words. Although Becky ending up effectively a ward of the Browns would probably make decisions about her future easier, it is tragedy that I don't think any reasonable person would want to see happen.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Jun 2015, 13:20
I don't think Beckys father is capable of change - he strikes me as one of those right wing religious nutjobs that simply ignore or twist the truth no matter what you say or do.

Going to Leslie might be the best idea at this point.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jun 2015, 13:45

Going to Leslie might be the best idea at this point.

Holy shit, yes.

She'd know what to do, how to help, in an actual way, most likely.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jun 2015, 17:49
Ha, it wasn't until I saw the alt-text today that I realized Becky was wearing a shirt and not just underwear.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jun 2015, 23:42
Mad idea that came to me after binging on Fallout 4 speculation and lore yesterday: Fallout: Indiana Summer; Joyce and her friends as characters in a deliberately lighthearted and parodic version of the Fallout world (although, arguably, Fallout is a deliberate self-parody).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 Jun 2015, 21:05
Goddammit, Joyce, I love you, but for the love of fuck, some things are only to be imagined
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jun 2015, 04:08
Heh, "butt opening".
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jun 2015, 04:35
Straw Poll:
Will Billie...

1) Spill all to Ruth as soon as she sees her?
2) Spill all to Ruth during drunken pillow talk?
3) Keep Becky's secret and be consumed by the guilt of 'lying' to her GF?
4) Take pride in doing something that she feels is right, no matter the personal cost?

I'm voting '2' with Becky suffering less as a result than Joyce and Billie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jun 2015, 16:59
Now we shall see whether Billie can keep her mouth shut

Or whether she's a Grima Wormtounge to Ruths Saruman.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Jun 2015, 21:28
Aww, Dina and Becky friendship!

I approve!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Jun 2015, 21:31
I know not how much of my approval is linked to growing up in a scientifically-minded family surrounded by biblical literalists who swore by a seven-day creation despite no physical evidence to support what Moses CLEARLY wasn't around to witness, but this makes me happy.

I like Dina; I have happier feelings than apathy towards Becky. This whole interaction makes my night more cheery.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jun 2015, 23:11
I think it is nice that Becky is reaching out. I just hope that she isn't going to push anything too quickly. Any friendship with someone like Dina has to be entirely on her own terms and on her own schedule to work. I think it would be worth it because it strikes me that she is simply too emotionally unsophisticated to ever be anything but a true friend. Besides Becky desperately needs someone other than Joyce (who, bless her, can be smothering when she's worried) and Dina really needs to stretch herself socially; I can't imagine a more challenging subject who could be trusted to be nice to her.

Beyond that? Well, that would be a bit of a psychological black hole. I have no doubt that Dina knows perfectly well what sex is. Whether she would ever be able to understand social cues and emotional contexts sufficiently to interpret a come-on correctly (or even deliver one unambiguously) is questionable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jun 2015, 17:12
This could be the beginning of a beutiful friendship
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Jun 2015, 17:40
This could be the beginning of a beutiful friendship

For Becky's sake, I hope so
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Jun 2015, 20:28
In either case, I'm expecting some sadness (as usual).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Jun 2015, 21:06
In either case, I'm expecting some sadness (as usual).

In the future, yes. Today, no!  TODAY IS A HAPPY!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Jun 2015, 21:10
All I'm saying is that someone had better start making out soon.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Jun 2015, 21:27
All I'm saying is that someone had better start making out soon.

I mean, Dina's pretty damn close to second base...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 10 Jun 2015, 21:50
I dunno, I agree with Amber (fourth panel) (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/overstepped/) regarding shipping Dina with anyone.  But she and Becky would be adorable platonic best buddies.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 10 Jun 2015, 22:46
Dina's an Ace. 

The natural ship for Becky is Daisy.  The two are practically twins.

Dina's doing better than I ever did.  The only time a woman expressed an interest in talking to me I reacted with confusion.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Jun 2015, 23:18
I'm thinking that Becky isn't really taking any of this in, rather is just enjoying looking at Dina's face whilst not worrying about the noises coming out of her mouth.

I'm also really surprised that Dina is holding such an aggressive grudge against Joyce. Nothing quite so irrational as a human, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jun 2015, 05:27
Dina's an Ace.
Do we know this for sure?

Also...I'm not sure if the anti-shipping rule counts when talking about other webcomics, but I guess be careful everyone?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Jun 2015, 05:35
It's pretty clear from the comic Gladstone posted that she is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Jun 2015, 05:39
The final chapter of this Book of DoA is titled 'Walking With Dina'. I'm pretty sure that today's strip is in some way part of a scene-setting for this.

IIRC, David Willis has said that one of the turning points in his life was confronting the dichotomy of his childhood beliefs against what science says and finding the former wanting. I'm wondering if the next book will be Becky and Joyce going on the same journey (with a more comedic frame of reference, of course).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Jun 2015, 05:45
It's pretty clear from the comic Gladstone posted that she is.
Really? I don't think it's that clear.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Jun 2015, 06:12
The part where she says she's never experienced sexual attraction before, and is in college? That her only interest in it is in a clinical sense?

I'm not reading the current pages as her expressing any kind of sexual interest in Becky. Joyce has already said she thinks the Earth is only 6000 years old.. Something that is rather at odds with well.. everything to do with being a paleontologist. So yeah.. there's the joke about 'saving' Becky from the same sort of beliefs, since they come from the same background being the joke.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 11 Jun 2015, 06:38
I'm thinking that Becky isn't really taking any of this in, rather is just enjoying looking at Dina's face whilst not worrying about the noises coming out of her mouth.

I dunno, I mean, about half the panels they've been conversing, Dina had a jacket over her face.

My opinion is she's listening mostly as a way to distract herself from the situation with Joyce, with her suddenly being homeless, and likely other things. She just wants to talk, and to listen, and normally Joyce would be there, but Joyce has new friends.

As to shipping, I should clarify, I was joking.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jun 2015, 16:36
Easy Dina, Joyce isn't Sauron.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 13 Jun 2015, 00:09
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/permanent/ (NSFW)
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/purpleandskates/
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/introductions/ (states that she gets a single room, given the other context, it implies that it's for official reasons)
You know, I remember being puzzled why that first one would be a hate crime.  I never caught on about the trans thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Jun 2015, 06:28
I think that today's comic has Sal's life at a turning point. If she messes up Malaya, Marcie may dump her, not wanting such a person as her friend. I have a bad feeling that, without Marcie to help her control her impulses, Sal may go off the deep end and try to destroy her own life in a massive acting out for attention and affection.

Naturally, doing this will just ruin her life and leave her future in serious doubt; how many academic suspensions/demerits can she rack up before the college throws her out? I honestly wonder if Sal will be the first would-be suicide that Amazi-Girl talks off a ledge.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 11:56
I think that today's comic has Sal's life at a turning point. If she messes up Malaya, Marcie may dump her, not wanting such a person as her friend. I have a bad feeling that, without Marcie to help her control her impulses, Sal may go off the deep end and try to destroy her own life in a massive acting out for attention and affection.

Naturally, doing this will just ruin her life and leave her future in serious doubt; how many academic suspensions/demerits can she rack up before the college throws her out? I honestly wonder if Sal will be the first would-be suicide that Amazi-Girl talks off a ledge.

I was about to type up something saying that was way too fucking dark for this.

Then I remembered what comic we were talking about.

I don't know. My feeling is more that what you're predicting, with Marcie abandoning Sal, but I don't know about the 'acting out for attention.' She has a history of that, but people don't repeat every one of their mistakes, especially when that mistake changed their life in such a drastic fashion. I don't think we'll see the Sal that robbed a convenience store, but we might see a Sal who opens up to new people more. Just Marcie's distance lately already has her coming to Joyce's dorm party, giving out details of how she lost her virginity.

It still could end the way you said, I mean, it's... it's big when your best friend in the world is suddenly not there, it must be so much worse for them to be there, pretending you aren't.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jun 2015, 12:00
Then I remembered what comic we were talking about.
Really? You think this comic would go that far?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 12:10
Then I remembered what comic we were talking about.
Really? You think this comic would go that far?

Joyce was nearly raped.
Sarah's last roommate was a drug addict.
Amber's dad abused her, essentially abducted Danny to use him as bait, and was put into the hospital by Amazi-girl's furious beating.

There's more, I'm sure, but the point is, Willis isn't afraid to go dark.
This ain't Garfield.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jun 2015, 12:36
I dunno, Garfield's gone to some pretty dark places. Remember the one where we find out where Garfield hates Mondays? Tragic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 14:58
I dunno, Garfield's gone to some pretty dark places. Remember the one where we find out where Garfield hates Mondays? Tragic.

I see the similarities now!

Wow, thank you for opening my eyes to the hellish existance that is Garfield!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jun 2015, 15:20
And then they fucked



*Shrug*  Anything's possible.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 15:55
And then they fucked



*Shrug*  Anything's possible.

We do know Sal has a thing for hate-fucking, we've seen it with Jason...

Yeah, that checks out.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Jun 2015, 21:21
I just wanna point out that that punch is impossible from that position. I don't know why that bothered me so much.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 21:31
Explicit, I am drunk enough to not fuckimg care, and sober enough to be very upset that we must wait 24 whole hours to know where next this leads.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Jun 2015, 21:32
that punch is impossible from that position.
You are, however 100% correct. Dammit. Now it's bothering me, too
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jun 2015, 21:38
I just read every strip Malaya's been in and I still don't get why they hate each other.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 13 Jun 2015, 21:43
From what I understand, Sal is jealous, because she thinks Malaya is displacing her as Marcie's friend. Though considering Malaya's role in Shortpacked, I'm wondering if she is potentially a girlfriend to Marcie, not a friend-friend...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Jun 2015, 21:55
Oy, no Shortpacked spoilers.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Jun 2015, 22:07
that punch is impossible from that position.
You are, however 100% correct. Dammit. Now it's bothering me, too

I'm just, as a person who's been punched in the face many times, that that action scene takes away all the enjoyment I would get from the violence.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Jun 2015, 22:34
Well, that answers explicits question

Marcie's gonna have a few things to say to these two no doubt.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Jun 2015, 00:48
I just read every strip Malaya's been in and I still don't get why they hate each other.

Because Malaya's very existence calls upon Sal to share Marcie, the only possession that is uniquely hers that she's ever had. She isn't happy with that fact. I use that word deliberately, by the way. In my view, Sal's issues tend towards possessive behaviour and she doesn't really always think of Marcie as a person with her own desires, just her one relationship anchor in the world.

I think that this is the turning point in Sal and Marcie's relationship. All Sal had to do was be neutrally civil to Malaya but she wasn't even able to do that. No matter how grating she finds Malaya's personality, it's clear to me that Sal's real issue is that she doesn't like sharing Marcie with anyone (she similarly abrasive with Carla who is more mature than Malaya and shrugs it off). I think that Marcie was watching this confrontation long enough to realise this. I'm expecting her to tell Sal that her possessiveness is poisonous and that she's cutting her loose.

Sal has a string of issues but Malaya hit the nail on the head during this confrontation. In the end, Sal wants to be liked and admired but only on her own terms. It's all take for her and very rarely does she unbend enough to contribute positively to a relationship. She can and does do so occasionally; she even can be generous and kind to people in need. However, in general, she's desperate to put across this air of independence and toughness that she seems to have based on a 1970s TV action show and it just turns people off of her.

Sal has issues that makes friendship, especially the reciprocal part of it, enormously difficult for her. Yet she manages it on occasion; she just needs to be motivated to try harder. Maybe Marcie not wanting to interact with her anymore will force her to broaden her horizons and try to address her own problems too.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 14 Jun 2015, 17:56
Dave has said more than once that what happened in Shortpacked has nothing to do with this universe. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Jun 2015, 21:03
(click to show/hide)

Dave has said more than once that what happened in Shortpacked has nothing to do with this universe. 
But he did say that the sexualities of the characters in his previous comics carries over (e.g. Ethan is still gay)...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2015, 21:14
It doesn't matter what he says, we already know about Ethan but please don't post spoilers from other comics.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Jun 2015, 21:17
Cesium, I just went back, trying to find where you 'called it,' but have come up emty-handed. This is possibly because I been drinking. Care to direct me to where you called it?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Jun 2015, 21:18
I'm wondering if she is potentially a girlfriend to Marcie, not a friend-friend...
There. Even if it was a Shortpacked spoiler, apparently :/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Jun 2015, 23:30
Sal wins an award for her 'the lights finally came on' expression in this strip.

Meanwhile, I really think that Marcie is getting tired of Malaya and Sal's issues and having to be the adult in the room whenever her best friend and would-be girlfriend meet!

On a personal note, I seem to have been blocked from posting comments on dumbingofage.com. The site receives and stores my posts but won't display them. It would be nice if someone told me why but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Jun 2015, 00:22
Lightbulb moment.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Jun 2015, 01:23
You know... I think that, if anything, Malaya is going to hate Sal very overtly and unsubtly trying to be 'nice' to her for Marcie's sake even more than she hated her being jealous and antagonistic. Worse, it is going to have a serious 'Twilight Zone' feel to it that's going to make her paranoid about who else is going to be replaced with a pod-person!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Jun 2015, 17:48
I don't think that's what Marcie meant Sal
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Jun 2015, 18:51
ASL doesn't always translate I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Jun 2015, 21:02
HUGS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER, FUCK ALL THE REST OF EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Jun 2015, 21:30
HUGS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER, FUCK ALL THE REST OF EVERYTHING

What was said here.

My hugs are well-known around town. I'm a huggy sort.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 16 Jun 2015, 21:42
Stay away, you huggy person.  Do *not* attempt to touch the hedgehog.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Jun 2015, 21:44
Stay away, you huggy person.  Do *not* attempt to touch the hedgehog.

I thrive on consent. You're cool.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Jun 2015, 22:17
All about the unconsensual surprise hugs.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Jun 2015, 22:27
All about the unconsensual surprise hugs.

Come on. Be kind. I get the urge, believe me. Kindness, yo
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 16 Jun 2015, 22:45
But, but! Friend hugs! Frugs!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Jun 2015, 22:56
But, but! Friend hugs! Frugs!

Gladly! Friend hugs! All of them.

Unfriendly hugs, that is where I draw the line.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Jun 2015, 23:31
Marcie obviously finds Malaya attractive but, IMO, she still is a confrontational jerk who is too quick to take offence or start trouble. I guess that we'll see but I have a nasty feeling that Sal's comment on bad relationship choices has the weight of prophecy. I'm hoping not; Marcie is a nice person and doesn't deserve that in her life.

I also have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised how Sal has put Marcie 's happiness in front of her hatred for Malaya. She's a better and more mature person than I thought.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 17 Jun 2015, 02:57
Just for the record, so far Marcie has not explicitly expressed interest in a relationship with Malaya. She only said she wants to have sex with her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 17 Jun 2015, 03:18
lulz
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 17 Jun 2015, 03:18
Marcie didn't SAY anything ya know
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 17 Jun 2015, 03:41
Stay away, you huggy person.  Do *not* attempt to touch the hedgehog.

I thrive on consent. You're cool.

That's good.  My OCD is getting better, but I still have problems touching strange people.  Hence my username here.  I do still get the whole "hedgehog's dilemma", in where I really want to get close to other people, but am afraid of getting "poked" by the "spines".  At least now, I have gotten to the point where I can get kissed on the cheek by someone I know without flailing about and nearly falling off a barstool.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Jun 2015, 15:08
And it ends on a cuteness note


Dawwwwww
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Jun 2015, 21:08
To be fair, that'd be my response also.
In this scenario, I am both Sarah and Billie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Jun 2015, 22:54
Can't catch a break can she.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Jun 2015, 23:25
Well, at least Billie, whilst an obnoxious drunk, is still semi-willing to play along. I just wonder if this was spontaneousor if Joyce had been badgering and rehearsing them relentlessly?

Poor Sarah, though! I can't help but notice that she really despises herself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Jun 2015, 21:21
I feel like this is where everything goes to hell
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Jun 2015, 21:49
I hope not.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Jun 2015, 22:20
It upsets me that everyone actually IS drunk. I think Sarah should be accepted for who she is, and while I would personally like her better when I'd been drinking, it's sad that everyone feels the same.

Also, how. Fucking much vodka did Billie bring, that she, walky, AND Dorothy are all fucked up.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Jun 2015, 23:16
Also, how. Fucking much vodka did Billie bring, that she, walky, AND Dorothy are all fucked up.

I don't think that Dorothy and Walky are experienced drinkers. Enough hard stuff to knock them out probably would barely make Billie's liver raise an eyebrow!

I suspect that there will be a cold period between Joyce and Dorothy. She knows Joyce's views and to spit on them in Joyce's personal space is not the act of a good friend. I just hope that the morning after is suitably horrible for her and Walky.

You'll notice that I'm not so hard on Walky; well, frankly, I kind of expect him to be thoughtless and irresponsible!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 18 Jun 2015, 23:19
New slant:

Praty for Joyce:

Everyone gets smashed. Not cool towards Joyce's beliefs.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Jun 2015, 23:25
New slant:

Praty for Joyce:

Everyone gets smashed. Not cool towards Joyce's beliefs.

Considering Dorothy's state, and the response to Sarah's return, I suspect suxh has happened
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Jun 2015, 01:03
In vino veritas
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Jun 2015, 06:53
I forget what flavor of Christianity Joyce was brought up in? I was brought up Catholic, and there's no problem there with drinking. Drinking to excess is considered a flaw that can lead to sinful behavior. But having an occasional (or regular...) drink wasn't a problem. The issue more at hand probably  is one that nobody besides Becky and Sarah know about. The reason the party is being held for Joyce is to help her try to deal with her first party she went to in college, where she had her drink drugged and was nearly raped. Having a bunch of her friends getting drunk at her 'safe party' is probably not going to do her mindset any good.

That said, neither Dorothy or Walky are aware of the reason behind the party, and they are not drinkers. Plus they are on the small size. One (probably healthy) shot of whatever Billie has in her flask is probably enough to get them feeling juuuuust fiiiine.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 19 Jun 2015, 08:47
From the About page:
Quote
And like Joyce, I was raised as a nondenominational fundamentalist (nonaligned Protestant), which means she’s not Catholic.

Also, Dorothy and Walky are aware of why she would want a safe party - Dorothy was, after all, who brought Joyce to Roz's party, and Walky was present for the discussion the next morning.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Jun 2015, 09:07
They are aware of the attack, sure. But I don't remember anyone telling them why Joyce was having a party in her room, specifically because of that issue. It seems a bit far a stretch to guess someone were to have figured that out instead of you know... 'Joyce's friend is visiting, and she's throwing a party.'
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Jun 2015, 21:18
Danny you fucking snitch.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Jun 2015, 21:23
Also, how. Fucking much vodka did Billie bring, that she, walky, AND Dorothy are all fucked up.

I don't think that Dorothy and Walky are experienced drinkers. Enough hard stuff to knock them out probably would barely make Billie's liver raise an eyebrow!

Apparently, ERRYBODY's a damn lightweight! I mean, I could maybe believe it took only the one mixed drink to get Walky fucked up, and the same to get Dorothy similarly plastered, but adding in Danny, and still saying that's enough to get Billie even a bit buzzed?

The fuck is that, Mary Poppin's flask? I agree, Billie's been generous as HELL
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Jun 2015, 21:27
To be fair, Billie was probably pre-gaming.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Jun 2015, 21:54
Or has multiple flasks. Though that seems less likely.  She must have been pretty generous, if she's got drunk herself and four other people at least. That must be something high octane. Though I wouldn't necessarily put it past her to fill her flask with something like Everclear... I can see Dorothy and Walky getting buzzed off one drink. But Danny and Ethan are bigger.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 19 Jun 2015, 21:55
But Danny and Ethan are bigger.
And drunk, right next to each other...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Jun 2015, 21:56
It's a flask. Flasks are discreet. That you could get three people, even ones who didn't drink often, shitfaced, let alone a known alcoholic seems silly. I prefer to think of Billie as Mary Poppins with a drinking problem. Gives a whole new meaning to 'Just a spoonful of sugar'
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Jun 2015, 23:50
I've got a horrible feeling that this is going to turn out to be one of those sitcom parties. Y'know, where everyone gets disastrously drunk and wakes up in bed with a random naked other character with such a scrambled memory that they have no clue whether they actually did anything. Their imagination and fears are enough to put their relationships under strain.

there are also other stereotypical 'morning after' gags:

BECKY: "According to this certificate, my name is now 'Rebecca Seigal.'

ETHAN: " Huh... I was wondering about the ring... Wait..."

BOTH: "Oh SHIIIT!!!"

Not that I consider this likely. DoA is fairly realistic, for its subject matter.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 20 Jun 2015, 05:43
I'm guessing people are more buzzed than actually drunk. None of them other than Billie drink so it wouldn't take more than a hefty shot for them to be decently tipsy.

I'm disappointed with the group though. Dorothy, in particular, I think should have known this would bother Joyce and that they were all secretive about it could hurt Joyce's trust of them. If they were following Billie and Walky's lead to drink to make the party "bearable" then Joyce could be really hurt and insulted.

Also I am wondering what Becky is thinking and doing off panel.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 20 Jun 2015, 08:56
Comic relief can be pretty damn important.

Also wait, why would Sarah be in the same dorm room two years in a row?

Also, Raidah needs to leave now.

At my school upperclassmen who choose to stay on campus get to pick their rooms before freshmen are randomly assigned to the rest. Maybe this building is in a good spot on campus or something
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 20 Jun 2015, 12:39
At my old college, "squatters" have first pick. If you want to keep your room, then you have an entire day to squat in it through the main system. If you don't squat in that time period (a little less than a full day), then you may or may not get to keep your room. Honors and disability students have first pick after that. Then seniors, juniors, sophomores, and freshmen have periods of time (like a week, I think?) to choose their rooms. Freshmen are segmented into three groups via the alphabet (randomly ordered), so any given freshman may have to try to get a room in a different, better building a full three or more weeks after room registration starts. I kept the same room as long as possible, personally. It was like having a home away from home--there's a certain sense of comfort to have "your" room on campus.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Jun 2015, 16:37
If she's been sharing that out, I don't think anyone is going to get more than lightly buzzed.  That Flask isn't big enough to get that many people drunk.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 20 Jun 2015, 16:39
Especially since what's inside is made of apples…  well, mostly apples.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jun 2015, 16:48
Especially since what's inside is made of apples…  well, mostly apples.

*raises eyebrow*

Did we ever get verification of what's in the flask? I figured vodka.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Jun 2015, 16:50
Same here, or Whisky
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 20 Jun 2015, 17:24
We've seen none of those people drink though, who knows what their tolerance is. Plus there's the possibility of resupply since Billie's room is right down the hall, clearly time has passed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 20 Jun 2015, 18:01
That's a good point.  I hadn't figured on that possibility.


Especially since what's inside is made of apples…  well, mostly apples.

*raises eyebrow*

Did we ever get verification of what's in the flask? I figured vodka.
It was never mentioned.  It was a reference to a fictional alcoholic drink in the Discworld 'verse, that is consumed in *very* small amounts, and would require Billie to be using a shiny plastic flask, rather than a metal one.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 20 Jun 2015, 18:08
It's a Pan Galatic Gargle Blaster.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 20 Jun 2015, 18:48
EVERCLEAR.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 20 Jun 2015, 19:37
My first drink at age 17 (yeah yeah, it took me a while to come into my stride in high school, okay) was a bottle of overproof rum that I (illegally) back from Jamaica. So that party was fun for a couple hours...and then it was less so.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 20 Jun 2015, 21:14
am genuinely surprised.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jun 2015, 21:15
Oh my god the noise I made reading today's comic holy shit I think we know something new about Dinah
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 20 Jun 2015, 21:16
I'm just sayin' chaos, first time in awhile I've been flabergasted by this comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jun 2015, 21:18
I'm just sayin' chaos, first time in awhile I've been flabergasted by this comic.

It seriously surprised me as well. I did not, in any way, see that as even a possibility.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jun 2015, 21:36
Re-reading, I ship Becky-Dinah. I ship Binah.

Now we know Dinah ain't asexual, she deserves happiness with persons of her choice.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jun 2015, 21:45
Re-reading, I ship Becky-Dinah. I ship Binah.

Pfft, it's clearly Dinky.

Also, I, too, did not expect this. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jun 2015, 21:50
Re-reading, I ship Becky-Dinah. I ship Binah.

Pfft, it's clearly Dinky.

Also, I, too, did not expect this.

You are correct.
I am less than sober, so, yeah.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 20 Jun 2015, 21:56
I did not see that one coming.

Daisy - Becky was the logical ship.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 20 Jun 2015, 21:59
Well.

Let's wait and see if she did that just to prove that she doesn't always act 12, or whether she's actually attracted to Becky.

I'm leaning towards the latter, but I also wonder if the attraction is rooted in "holy shit she's actually talking to me and not really uncomfortable around me and I'm not really uncomfortable around her MAYBE SHE'S THE ONE". I could see Dina having had romantic and/or sexual urges, but suppressing them because she thought she'd never be able to act on them...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 20 Jun 2015, 22:03
When I saw this comic (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/dinosaurs/), the idea that it might be leading to this crossed my mind, but then the fight scene happened and my brain forgot. My brain is a moron sometimes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jun 2015, 22:11
Well.

Let's wait and see if she did that just to prove that she doesn't always act 12, or whether she's actually attracted to Becky.

Yeah, the kiss is pretty ambiguous at the moment.  Hard to tell if it's merely a reaction to the looks/acts 12 claim, or if there's more to it.  She did tell Amber once that she has a somewhat clinical fascination with sex, without going into further details, so I hope she has a notebook handy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Jun 2015, 22:39
I think it's a reaction to "wait, she likes me?"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Jun 2015, 00:50
Let's wait and see if she did that just to prove that she doesn't always act 12, or whether she's actually attracted to Becky.

I'm thinking that it's mostly the former. However, that won't stop the next chapter being about Becky experiencing a relationship that is at least one part a socialisation learning exercise. I also think that Becky is going to learn new ways of looking at the world whilst getting a new friend, hence: 'Walking With Dina'!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Jun 2015, 02:32
I'm neither pro, nor  anti Dinky ship.  However, even if it doesn't launch (or sinks), I really hope that it isn't just Dina trying to "prove" something to the others, and that there is at least possible interest there.  Becky is in a bit of a crisis, and already has indicated at least an interest in Dina.  For it to just be "I'm not twelve, dammit!"  seems like kicking Becky when she's down.  Then again, Dina might not be socially astute enough to read that as a possible ramification.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 21 Jun 2015, 03:02
Well, that escalated quickly. For now I'm more on the side of Dinah is doing this to prove she doesn't always behave as if she were 12.

Edit: To clarify, I don't want that to be the case, but I see it as the more probable of the two possibilites.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 21 Jun 2015, 04:55
I took it as more reactionary to the group's comments as well. Dina also could be doing what she thinks is the appropriate thing to do when someone you don't dislike expresses romantic interest in you.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 21 Jun 2015, 06:03
I kind of thought this could happen after this comic (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/dinosaurs/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Jun 2015, 10:17
Wow, people are being unbelievably shitty to Dina.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Jun 2015, 11:21
I don't think she's doing anything bad, not at all, really.  I'm more wondering what's her thought process right now, and her level of social awareness.  I think that no matter what, her motivations are, if not "good", then at the very least, "neutral".  But intent and effect are not always coincident.  Before I got hit with the "oh shit, what might happen?" thing, my first reaction was "Dina is being a badarse".
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 21 Jun 2015, 14:22
Wow, people are being unbelievably shitty to Dina.
Yeah, I found that pretty off-putting. Everyone's been such a turd lately.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Jun 2015, 14:25
What Joyce said about Dina is pretty much exactly the same as what the girl who was hanging out with Raidah said about Dina when they were at the mall...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jun 2015, 14:38
What Joyce said about Dina is pretty much exactly the same as what the girl who was hanging out with Raidah said about Dina when they were at the mall...

That's what I thought when I read it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 21 Jun 2015, 14:57
Looking at it again, Dina looked pissed in the second last frame.  I think it's more of a reaction to being called 12 than attraction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Jun 2015, 15:08
Yeah, but look at her face in panel three. I think that means more than her anger.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Jun 2015, 15:13
Somebody find Becky's 'Reset' switch

I think her brain just froze in that last panel.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 21 Jun 2015, 15:21
Yeah, but look at her face in panel three. I think that means more than her anger.
Yeah, Becky is one of the only people so far who genuinely respects Dina as a human being. I think she's flattered, especially since Becky is actually interested in talking about Dina's favorite topics. Nobody has ever (that we know of) expressed an interest in Dina.

I mean like... for a long time, nobody was straight-forward about their interest in me, and then when a few people were, it seemed ..... off. The first person who seemed sincere and straight-forward about it was my first boyfriend. It didn't work out at all. But I was interested in going out with him because his honesty was really refreshing. I took a day to think about it, though, and I figured I didn't have anything to lose. :P
(click to show/hide)

Becky is one of the first prospects Dina has had as a possible love interest--most likely in her entire life. I feel like the kiss was out of frustration, too, but it's important to note that she may have had an interest in Becky without knowing how to approach it because no one's ever liked her that way before. It can be a spite kiss AND an "I like you, too" kiss.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Jun 2015, 16:01
Well-said.  I wonder if it'll end up being the opposite of what many have been speculating about, like how Becky is interested, and Dina isn't.  It'd probably be even worse if it turns out that in the long-run, Becky is the one who isn't as interested as she thought, and Dina was.  That'd be even more sad than the scenario that I thought of earlier.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Jun 2015, 16:45
Another unpleasant scenario, both of them like each other but Becky has to leave.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 21 Jun 2015, 18:02
Another unpleasant scenario that I just thought of: Joyce and/or Becky's parents come to find Becky. During the party. In which everyone but Joyce, Becky, Amber, and Dina are drunk.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jun 2015, 18:44
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP MAKING ME DREAD THE NEXT FEW DAYS' COMICS?!?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Jun 2015, 20:48
At least the dinosaurs are appropriate to the situation

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jun 2015, 20:53
At least the dinosaurs are appropriate to the situation


Hedgie, dare you suggest that scene of Firefly was NOT appropriate use of dinosaurs? Are you TRYING to make me want to fight you? Because why else would you slander so much as a second of what I consider the greatest single season of television ever created, LET ALONE, the introduction of my favorite character?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jun 2015, 20:56
I say favorite character. I can't pick favorites from that group. I loved every minute with every one of them. I'm making myself sad.

Fuck you, Fox. I will never forgive, never forget.
You can't take the sky from me.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 21 Jun 2015, 21:05
Shit, meet fan. Fan, meet shit. Have you two met before? Oh, okay, good.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jun 2015, 21:06
Back to the topic: And so, Ruthless enters.

Party done.

Possibility of more Dinky smooches at a later date in search of scientific analysis. Is Dinky a viable option? Sources say maybe? We shall see, more data is necessary to formulate an answer!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 21 Jun 2015, 21:36
Dina's response to Becky was pretty much perfect, and so in character.  Of course, if she *does* establish interest, hopefully she won't strive for scientific rigour.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Jun 2015, 23:29
One can only hope she's here for Billy


Otherwise, this could get ugly real fast.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 21 Jun 2015, 23:41
Even if she is there for Billie, it could end really badly. Her girlfriend, who can't legally drink, is not only drinking in the dorm but is also distributing it to other people who can't legally drink. I know they kind of fell off the wagon together, but drinking and distributing is not the kind of thing she needs to find Billie doing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 22 Jun 2015, 00:04
She probably should have looked the other way then. She knew Billie was going to be there and, let's be honest, Ruth should know that Billie is going to be the one who would bring that stuff.

Ya, it's her job, but ignoring things seemed like the appropriate thing to do here.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Jun 2015, 01:43
RUTH: "BROWN! Who brought alcohol to this party?"

JOYCE: "Um... I don't kn...?"

SARAH: "I think that you'll find it was Miss Billingsworth. When I went to the bathroom, everyone was sober; when I come back, there are several drunks. Wilcox says that he got it from Billingsworth and she admitted it. I want her punished."

JOYCE (hissing whisper): "Sarah! No!"

Ooh! What a dilemma for Ruth to be in! Will anyone narc Billie out? If so, will she have the courage to punish her secret girlfriend/co-dependent substance abuser? If everyone keeps the code of Dormitory Omerta and Ruth punishes all of them, will Billie be able to let everyone take lumps for her or will she 'fess up? If she does, what does Ruth do?

It's possible that Ruth will just punish everyone harshly in a flat-footed attempt to cover up her relationship with Billie (as well as an attempt to impress her girlfriend with her power over her). Not being read into the secret and in a fit of her usual civil-minded activism, Dorothy then appeals to the Board of Administrators over the unfair harshness. The resulting investigation has the potential to expose Billie and Ruth's relationship. Even if it doesn't, Ruth's harsh and excessive behaviour comes under an uncomfortable spotlight.

There is no doubt in my mind that Ruth and Billie's relationship is about to enter a serious and potentially terminal crisis. Willis has confirmed that no-one dies in DoA, so it unlikely that any crisis will reach my personal worst-case scenario - Ruth and Billie killing each other as part of their pre-exisiting 'sexy lesbian suicide pact' (their words). However, I could see Ruth losing her job over this and being put on a bus. That might lead to an interesting Billie character arc; I wonder if she might end up needing Joyce to bring her back from the brink?

I also wonder just how the Browns will react to being told by the college that Joyce has been accused of hosting a drunken Bacchanal in her dorm room! :-P

Regarding Dina and Becky, I wonder if Becky realises that she's about to become the subject of a sociology experiment. Having a relationship with Dina would take a very special mindset to get around her unique perception of humanity and social interaction. You'd never know if she really was into you or if it would be empirical experimentation. It's sort of like dating Lt Cmdr Data from Star Trek - The Next Generation!

[EDIT]
A thought that just occurred to me: Ruth either works out Becky is homeless or just throws her out on the street as it's late and the party is over. Naturally, she makes sure she doesn't have a pass-key to get back in afterwards. Sal comes back to find Joyce sitting on the steps to the hall, crying her eyes out. She asks what's going on and gets the chance to display both her soft side and her ruthless side.

Yes, I'm suggesting that Becky starts staying in Sal's room. When Ruth tells her that she can't do this, Sal points out that she wouldn't be able to if Billie wasn't 'elsewhere' every night. Would Ruth like to report this matter to the Administrators or would she let Sal do so? It might be interesting to see how Sal responds to having some blackmail to keep Ruth in her pocket. It would be interesting to see how Ruth reacts to having her position and authority so fatally and totally compromised! :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 22 Jun 2015, 03:19
Can RAs really just barge into your room without being let it? I mean, yeah they have a key, but...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Jun 2015, 03:21
Can RAs really just barge into your room without being let it? I mean, yeah they have a key, but...

This is Ruth we're talking about. Abusing her extremely limited authority and using intimidation to keep it under wraps is pretty much her character's identifying 'quirk'.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 22 Jun 2015, 11:29
Can RAs really just barge into your room without being let it? I mean, yeah they have a key, but...
What I'm used to is the RA knocking a few times and saying "RA" loudly and clearly enough for the people inside to hear them. If they're ignored after a few times of that, then they either come back later or, if the situation is serious enough (such as a loud party), then they'll say, "RA, keying in" and open the door. They usually come prepared with the master key in situations like this. But if they get ignored when there are clearly people in there, they can run downstairs to go get it and come back.

If they need back-up, then they can call other RAs (whoever's on call), the hall director, and/or the police/other relevant authority figures.

If the situation is serious enough, it probably wouldn't be wrong to barge in, but it's better to knock first. Ruth is not covering her butt very well, but most of them are afraid enough of her that they most likely won't alert anyone of the protocol breach, even if they have to talk to the police or something.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 22 Jun 2015, 14:31
So I was admitted into this residential College thing my college has. Basically for my freshman and sophomore years the 90 of us were living together and taking some of our courses in small discussion based classes. We still had our major and some of our other gen ed classes in the university. But the point is we were all really tight knit and we were living in this weird sort of building that had our dorm rooms and our classrooms. The RAs were super hands off. We smoked, partied, and made noise in our room pretty much to our hearts' content. It seems like the only thing they ever took seriously was keeping the communal kitchens clean. And then junior year I moved into an apartment. So I don't really know how a normal RA behaves. But that all said, I find it incredible that there haven't been enough complaints levied against Ruth for her to be fired.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 22 Jun 2015, 15:43
The RA's I had were all fairly passive (one got fired for drinking while on duty). The male RA's never seemed to care and could only do things if you forced their hand (making a ridiculous amount of noise, trashing the bathroom). Some of the girl RA's were a bit strict and would go looking for booze through people's things, but usually not. (I should note that there were only 2 male RA's when I was a freshman and 12 girl RA's. Mostly girls college).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Jun 2015, 21:11
Bubbles would indicate Ethan's been drankin' too... This is a comic that makes me want the next one already, because not a damn thing has been indicated, as of yet, to where this is headed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Jun 2015, 21:12
I mean, it's not about to get better, but the degree of awful is still uncertain.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 22 Jun 2015, 21:14
RUTHLESS?

I think Willis was looking for an excuse to do a group panel.  Well, two of them.  Not that I'm complaining, though!  Nice to see the gang together.

Also, I realize everyone is hiding their drinks behind their backs (except Billie), but I choose to believe that Walky panicked and stuffed the entire cup in his mouth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Jun 2015, 21:17
God damn it, was it necessary to waste an entire comic to tell us what we already know? (That Ruth is terrible. Fuck you, Ruth.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Jun 2015, 23:15
God damn it, was it necessary to waste an entire comic to tell us what we already know? (That Ruth is terrible. Fuck you, Ruth.)

What's got MY attention is that, from just today's strip, she ISN'T that terrible. She's asserted her stance as an RA, and entered the room, but I wouldn't be surprised if that open drink in Billie's hand smelled strongly of vodka, yet she hasn't said anything yet.

It's obviously being built to her busting them for the drinking. What if she didn't? I mean, Billie would be one of those affected by her cracking down on the party, but Ruth has feelings for Billie, and anyway, Billie's got dirt on Ruth, so that could be mutually-assured destruction. On the other side, Ruth is in a dark place, as we've seen with her and Billie in their comics together.

Not saying this would happen, (Let's be real, it won't) but what if Ruth hung out for a while? Not like, getting too chummy with the group, but enough to show she's a human goshdang being in need of social support. I mean, to all except Billie, she's just a hellbeast, and we all know, she loves the fuck out of that, but what if she let the veil drop just a tiny bit?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Jun 2015, 23:38
From the direction that Joyce and Dorothy are looking, I think that they are going to try to protect Billie by 'destroying the evidence'. That means one of them is going to grab Billie's cup and down the whole thing in one gulp.

I foresee an instantaneously falling-down drunk and miserably sick Joyce by the end of this arc. Maybe she'll drink, act as if she's been hit in the head with a 2 x 4 and wake up in bed with a friend and have no memory whatsoever of the intervening time! I suspect it would be Ethan who, lubricated with a little booze, lets his fratarnal affection turn (for the night at least) into full-on possessive protectiveness.

Joyce and Ethan, of course, don't know that they just slept together like innocent toddlers and Joyce is racked with guilt. Everyone makes it worse by giggling about what a show she put on before blacking out.

This let Joyce evesdrop on Jacob's 'phone conversation with Raidah about the first phase of her revenge on Sarah.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 23 Jun 2015, 00:03
That sounds like an awful thing to wish upon someone who has been drugged and had issues around alcohol before that. If anyone was to be protective, it would probably be Sarah like before. Lack of memory was even a side effect of the drug, so waking up next to Ethan with no memory would probably flashback Joyce to when she was almost raped. Willis likes to be cruel to his characters but that all sounds needless when there's other less traumatic played off like sitcom ways to go with the story.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 23 Jun 2015, 01:49
Dude, Ben, this is not the first time I find your fanfictionny trails of thought downright disturbing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jun 2015, 03:01
It's not necessarily dark; a lot would depend on how David chose to handle the characterisations. Here's what I think: I think that Joyce would trust Ethan implicitly. If she mistrusted how anyone treated anyone, she'd be more worried about how she may have treated Ethan, which could be funny or heart-warming depending on how you wrote it.

Really, though, it is just a plot device to get Joyce into Ethan and Jacob's room, hiding under Ethan's sheets and listening to Jacob plot with Raidah (or, possibly, trying to talk Raidah down from doing something self-destructive and stupid).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 23 Jun 2015, 04:46
I meant I find disturbing how... intricate your guessfiction gets. There are dozens, even thousands of paths a story could take, yet somehow you seem to elect a particular one, and go into intricate detail how it will play out, right down to who will be hiding where at what moment despite no indication remotely supporting going into that direction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jun 2015, 04:55
Honestly it's more fan fiction than actual prediction. Not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 23 Jun 2015, 06:14
I don't see how getting a person who was drugged unintentionally black out drunk could be appropriately played off as humourous or heart-warming and then brushed off to advance a separate plot point but, hey, maybe I just get stuck on details like thinking (or at least hoping) Willis knows better than to treat attempted rape trauma so callously.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 23 Jun 2015, 06:29
Honestly it's more fan fiction than actual prediction. Not a bad thing.
So? If someone was posting creepy stuff about Hannelore or inappropriate stuff about Claire, it wouldn't matter if it was fan fiction or prediction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jun 2015, 06:31
I'm really genuinely surprised that anyone thinks of what I post as 'creepy'. It isn't as if I'm inventing elaborate sado-masochistic sexual scenarios or something!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jun 2015, 06:40
Honestly it's more fan fiction than actual prediction. Not a bad thing.
So? If someone was posting creepy stuff about Hannelore or inappropriate stuff about Claire, it wouldn't matter if it was fan fiction or prediction.
No, I'm referring to his level of detail, not the contents of his posts.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 23 Jun 2015, 06:48
It's being so cavalier with past character events that hold a lot of baggage in fiction and reality that's getting under my skin. It seems off that someone can think deeply enough about fanfiction/predictions to write paragraphs of detail but just throw aside years of characterisation and something huge and distressing as what happened in DoA.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jun 2015, 06:53
It's obvious that this upsets you personally, so I'm not going to push this too much but I'll remind you of something: Joyce is a fictional character and she exists solely to advance the story, whatever that is (I don't pretend to be a mind-reader; I'm usually way-off when I try to predict how authors think in advance). So, if the story demands that Joyce has to confront her trauma again in a sudden and even seemingly disrespectful manner, that's what's going to happen. Maybe the character would ultimately benefit from it or maybe it will only make her problems worse; if that's what the story demands, that is what will happen.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 23 Jun 2015, 07:06
My issue is not with what the story demands. My issue is with your treatment of the events of the story, events that affect real people so don't bother with condescending, "It's just fiction." excuses for your ignorant use of hackneyed writing ideas that use trauma for cheap laughs and lazy plot advancement.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 23 Jun 2015, 07:46
The 'It's just fiction' excuse is something that comes up a fair bit, both here and other places. I for one do not buy it one bit. Talking about events like Joyce's near-rape may not hurt Joyce, because she is not real. But Joyce also isn't reading the comments, again because she is not real. People who have lived through that experience or worse however do read comments like that. They are real people who are affected by them. The cavalier attitude translates to "Well, it's just not important because it's not real'. But it is important, because even if that particular event happened in a work of fiction, it still does affect the reader of it.  What we see, what we read affects us, it becomes part of us. Especially those who can identify with the characters affected. So it totally is real, because even when you are talking about works of fiction because it does affect real, living people.

That is something that any kind of artist or creator should be taking into account. Whether they draw, paint, write, make video games... any kind of entertainment. It affects people. How they feel, how they think.. Not in a 'games make people violent' way, but it allows us to experience or relieve things, for good or ill. So a creator should be thinking about what they are doing, and how it may likely affect people. And decide if that is the message they want to put out. Some people may get a different message based on their own experiences that the creator did not anticipate, but that's one thing. It's another to disregard or not believe that what they create will affect people because it isn't 'real'. That's a disservice to the creator, the viewer and the art itself, by denying that it can have an effect on people when ultimately.. that is the point of art. To affect people.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 23 Jun 2015, 09:05
Honestly it's more fan fiction than actual prediction. Not a bad thing.

Disagree. I know it's not a popular view around here or most places. But I've yet to see any form of 'fan-fiction' that wasn't both uncreative and an insult to the original author. All writing is plagarism at least somewhat. But for someone to completely take one writers' characters and go around giving them scenarios and behaviors that the original creator wouldn't want for those characters, as a writer that grinds my gears.

In addition, the entire idea of 'fanfiction' seems hellbent on preventing burgeoning writers from developing actual writing skills. As in grammar, spelling, ability to write interesting characters and sensical dialogue and plot. Those things appear rarely if ever in fanfiction. But it's never treated with the right criticism.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: pwhodges on 23 Jun 2015, 09:21
I've yet to see any form of 'fan-fiction' that wasn't both uncreative and an insult to the original author.

Oh, there is some; the fact that most fanfic is beyond bad doesn't mean that it all is.  I'd claim my (https://cassland.org/words/AfterwardsBook.pdf) Evangelion fanfic would pass your test; but that's an extension of an as yet unfinished story, and so has no need to contradict any existing canon.

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All writing is plagarism at least somewhat. But for someone to completely take one writers' characters and go around giving them scenarios and behaviors that the original creator wouldn't want for those characters, as a writer that grinds my gears.

Agreed on that.

Anyway, we have established that in this forum we treat Claire of QC itself with the same degree of respect that we would treat a non-fictional character.  We should apply the same standard to other fictional characters.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jun 2015, 11:37
I agree with that last bit. But I can't agree with objecting to non-commercial fan fiction in general.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: pwhodges on 23 Jun 2015, 12:41
Like 94ssd, I dislike fanfiction which seriously tramples on canon; if other people like it, then bully for them.  But if it takes an intelligent "what if" approach, like good science fiction that changes just one or two things and then explores how the universe might work in that form, then it can be good I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jun 2015, 12:55
Honestly I find fanfiction that ignores canon far less obnoxious than authors who make statements that contradict (or even add to) their own canon* and expect their spoken words to be equal to or surpass their written words.

*canon meaning their actual works
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Jun 2015, 13:08
I think fanfiction can be a starting point. It might hold some people back, but others wouldn't have started writing without it. It's largely a matter of whether a writer is willing to/looking to improve and grow as a writer.

Kinda have to respect people that keep their fics consistent with multiple seasons/books worth of canon, though, that's part of why I don't even try it. I mean, besides the fact I'd rather be able to change backstory details at the drop of a hat to add tension and irony to my stuff that I didn't originally plan. I don't read fan-fiction; I don't enjoy it myself, but I'm not against the idea.

It's not exactly new. Definitely goes back to Arthur Conan Doyle where people would rip off Sherlock Holmes and publish under ACD's name. Likely dates back earlier to King Arthur's legends, and the growth thereof. Mythology in general, you might see as fan-fiction without any kind of canon.

Bringing it back to DoA, the problem here is less that you're basically writing fan-fiction, more that your fan-fiction is problematic, more detailed than many would prefer, and placed somewhere that's meant more for commentary, shared jokes, and silly predictions.

I feel I should say that I like most of your stuff, BenRG, you don't usually go so far.

Leave it to Willis to go dark as fuck.

You know he will, sooner or later
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jun 2015, 17:34
There will be blood
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Jun 2015, 22:27
Regarding today's strip:

Dammit, Walky, you had best not screw shit up this time
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jun 2015, 23:33
Dammit, Walky, you had best not screw shit up this time

Their only hope is for Ruth to be so used to Walky being weird and random (and seemingly having her mind elsewhere) that she doesn't notice. I wonder, does the old myth about fear sobering you up really quickly have a grain of truth? Dorothy can only hope!

Meanwhile, Dorothy has realised that she's screwed up with Joyce and needs to do some urgent bridge-rebuilding. Look at her eyebrows: they're tilted back, not forward, so she's grimacing in worry rather than snarling in anger! If she's looking to Billie for a plan for this, she's probably looking in the wrong place!

I don't know why but Ruth's behavior really makes me wonder if she's going to end up confiding in someone... Unless Sal comes back to the party and the foreseen mutual crisis with Amber occurs...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 24 Jun 2015, 02:18
Walky's face in the last panel made me snort. :lol:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Jun 2015, 04:57
So, I thought I'd try a little Kremlinology today! A couple of weeks ago, David Willis posted some preview panels from future strips of DoA on his Tumblr account. I thought that I'd share the thoughts that came into my mind when I saw these images and I'd be interested to know what you think!

(click to show/hide)

So, what does everyone else think that this week of strips might be about?

(Added spoiler tags -Method)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 24 Jun 2015, 05:57
Dude, it's not even July yet. I wouldn't call September the 'immediate future,' or pretend I know anything that might be going on in a series where so many things could happen between now and then.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Jun 2015, 16:49
Take him home Dorothy and screw his brains out


That'll help
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 24 Jun 2015, 21:07
C'mon, Ruth, let it go.

No need to play it cool.

Frozen's a pretty chill flick.

In other news, I see a point at the end of the night where Ruth wants to know where Becky is sleeping. It might not result in her being outed as homeless, but she'd definitely spend a night alone in the cold.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Jun 2015, 23:29
Oddly enough, I think that the outcome we're moving towards at the moment is Ruth realising that she doesn't really know the kids for whom she's allegedly the RA at all! She doesn't know their history, their likes and dislikes or anything! It might make her re-evaluate how she's doing her job and whether she's been letting her own problems make her ineffective.

FWIW, Ruth attempting to 'connect' with the students could be funny or horrifying, depending on how it is written.

Now... Am I the only one who was made seriously uncomfortable by the scale of the power trip engaged in by Joyce and Becky's parents? I'm all for not letting kids see >PG films until they have the maturity to deal with them but there is a point where you go too far and that's it. The prohibition didn't even work because it looks like Joyce and Becky thought that their dads were idiots to say that movie or no movie!

[edit]
Sorry, I don't know why I've been typing 'Rose' instead of 'Ruth' all day! :oops:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 24 Jun 2015, 23:49
Well, I facepalmed so hard it actually hurt a bit.
That should answer your question.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 25 Jun 2015, 00:04
Quote from: Roald Dahl, George's Marvellous Medicine
This was a silly thing to say to a small boy at any time. It immediately made him winder what sort of mischief he might get up to.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Tea For The Tillerman on 25 Jun 2015, 08:06
Oddly enough, I think that the outcome we're moving towards at the moment is Rose realising that she doesn't really know the kids for whom she's allegedly the RA at all! She doesn't know their history, their likes and dislikes or anything! It might make her re-evaluate how she's doing her job and whether she's been letting her own problems make her ineffective.

FWIW, Rose attempting to 'connect' with the students could be funny or horrifying, depending on how it is written.

Now... Am I the only one who was made seriously uncomfortable by the scale of the power trip engaged in by Joyce and Becky's parents? I'm all for not letting kids see >PG films until they have the maturity to deal with them but there is a point where you go too far and that's it. The prohibition didn't even work because it looks like Joyce and Becky thought that their dads were idiots to say that movie or no movie!

Rose?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Schmee on 25 Jun 2015, 08:21
He probably meant Ruth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 25 Jun 2015, 15:47
I wonder if he's been watching Titanic?



Boy, are these two in for a surprise when they watch Frozen
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 25 Jun 2015, 16:33
I wonder if he's been watching Titanic?



Boy, are these two in for a surprise when they watch Frozen

The first half of this was what I thought, but I have no clue what that second bit is trying to say. Why would they be surprised?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Jun 2015, 16:43
I wonder if he's been watching Titanic?



Boy, are these two in for a surprise when they watch Frozen

The first half of this was what I thought, but I have no clue what that second bit is trying to say. Why would they be surprised?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 25 Jun 2015, 16:52


Man, Frozen is DIFFERENT than I remembered it
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 25 Jun 2015, 21:11
Well, that settles that matter.  Ruth is just lonely, since the only person she has in her life is Billie.  I guess browbeating people into watching a film with her is her idea of social interaction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 25 Jun 2015, 21:14
Well, we know that Ruth will be watching with Billie, and Dina with Becky. Who will Danny watch with (now that he's been forced to): Amber, or Ethan?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 25 Jun 2015, 21:15
"You will watch this movie, and YOU WILL HAVE FUN."

Whoa, just had a flashback to family game night. 

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 25 Jun 2015, 21:29
Can I just say, I called it, before Ben RG, even. I want that credit, even though I buried it under things like "Billie's there, too!"
A thing that the last panel plays into, if only a little bit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 25 Jun 2015, 22:25
Very hot.

No I don't think it's weird I said that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 25 Jun 2015, 22:33
Very hot.

No I don't think it's weird I said that.

Neither do I.

I disagree, but I'm well acquainted with the concept, 'Diff'ren' strokes for diff'ren' folks,' apostrophes showing the pronunciation I'm most familiar with. I personally find it cute and heartwarming that they'd be hovering above the hands of the other since they're still uncertain of what they mean to each other. T'is cute as fuck.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Jun 2015, 23:29
All I can say is that Ruth must really like Frozen! Does this count as her and Billie's first date?

Well, we know that Ruth will be watching with Billie, and Dina with Becky. Who will Danny watch with (now that he's been forced to): Amber, or Ethan?

I think that he'll end up sitting in between them. This will symbolise the character arc for Danny: He's going to be trapped between his love for and need to help Amber and his growing attraction to Ethan. DMW is probably planning to tell us the story of Danny's dilemma and how it is resolved, if it ever is, because, IRL,not every emotional dilemma is resolved.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jun 2015, 04:32
I just realized "got-dumped" is referring to Dorothy dumping him in the beginning of thr strip. That confused the hell out of me for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 26 Jun 2015, 12:48
If I hadn't been looking at some of the early strips recently, I wouldn't have realized it for a bit, either!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Jun 2015, 21:09
Am I the only one disappointed in the nump back to Malaya/Marcie?

 I feel like that's the kind of move you'd pull as a writer when you know you need to have SOMETHING, but you're not sure where exactly the main line is going. I'd be more accepting of this if Willis wasn't known for stockpiling months ahead of story.

This storyline is mostly interesting because of how it relates to Sal, the only one of these characters to have had more than one conversational comic with our main cast. These are people I barely know and couldn't be assed to talk about, aside from the fact they're the focus instead of what the goddamn hell is going on back at the 'safe,' 'dorm party' that's being thrown back in Joyce and Sarah's room.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 26 Jun 2015, 21:23
He often cuts to a different story when he wants to do a "cliffhanger." I'm guessing some shit is gonna go down when it returns to the main storyline.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Jun 2015, 22:09
He often cuts to a different story when he wants to do a "cliffhanger." I'm guessing some shit is gonna go down when it returns to the main storyline.

This is a silly practice. I'll admit I'm new to Willis'style, but this seems designed to piss people the fuck off.

It occurs that this might be Willis' intention. If it is, I understand this thead's title more than I did before
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Jun 2015, 22:16
Dammit, now I have to think beyond the moment with Billie and Ruth.

Ruth will almost undoubtedly realize what is happening with Becky, and Becky won't be in the dorms with Joyce for long. She's got a lot of stuff behind her, and I'm not even talking the lesbian drama. She's run away, she's homeless, these are things that need addressing even before her lesbian identity.

It's hard to eat pussy when stuck in non-animal friendly housing, if you understand the lesbian subtwxt.

Fuck. Willis is given to his own choices, but this is one I dislike. This is the first I've been entirely against, I might say.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jun 2015, 00:05
Given that DMW writes and draws several months in advance, then the chance that this is random filler is very low. This is going to progress something; what remains to be seen. Several possibilities come to my mind, including meeting Sal and Amazi-Girl saving the day.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Jun 2015, 00:38
It's not that this feels like filler, it's that we're not yet at a point where Malaya/Marcie is anything but a b-level backstory. Backstory for Dumbing of Age is rich and colorful already, I feel adding a whole damn layer atop it is just absurd, and likely only something that would slow the progress of the primary arch
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jun 2015, 02:58
It's taken him five years to get through what, a month? I'm pretty sure slowing the progress is always the point.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Jun 2015, 13:50
I dunno, though. Maybe it's a function of reading it every day now instead of powering through the archive, but it just seems like he's dodging the (currently) more difficult story arc. I was more than a bit drunk when I left that comment, and while I see what I was going for, it's too soon to say.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 27 Jun 2015, 16:09
I'm delighted to see Lucy! I've been rereading the archive and wondering when she might show up.

Willis said changing story is to make cliffhangers since switching to seven days a week. It's mentioned in one of the alt-texts around the family visiting storyline if I remember right.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Jun 2015, 16:09
I kinda feel sorry for Lucy

But sometimes there are people you just want to do that to
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Jun 2015, 21:48
In that context, I get it. I'm still waiting for the fallout of the dorm party, but in the meantime, happy snuggles with Marcie and Malaya
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 27 Jun 2015, 21:52
Malaya is involved, it's not exactly happy. It's... something?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jun 2015, 22:51
Indifferent is the word I'd use :/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jun 2015, 23:19
Indifferent is the word I'd use :/

Precisely. This may not work out the way Marcie hoped. Let's hope for her sake that it doesn't work out badly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Jun 2015, 05:50
Malaya is involved, it's not exactly happy. It's... something?

I was talking more specifically about Marcie. Marcie is happy. Malay got mentioned becuse alliteration.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 28 Jun 2015, 13:51
Malaya is either really comfortable with Marcie or really ignorant and indifferent to Marcie's feelings. So far I'm suspecting the latter.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jun 2015, 14:15
Honestly, I'd think both. She certainly doesn't seem to mind, but I don't think she realizes the significance of it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Jun 2015, 15:09
This will either end well or end in tears for Marcie


Clearing the way for Sal to unload on her
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Jun 2015, 21:04
I like Marcie better than I did until now, but I'm itching to get back to dorm party
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Jun 2015, 23:26
I do understand Lucy's pain: Explaining fan-art to a non-fan is nearly impossible!

I also can't exactly blame Marcie for her reaction. Lucy is at least aware enough of other people to realise that she interrupted an attempted moment!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 28 Jun 2015, 23:38
I do understand Lucy's pain: Explaining fan-art to a non-fan is nearly impossible!

I also can't exactly blame Marcie for her reaction. Lucy is at least aware enough of other people to realise that she interrupted an attempted moment!
<-----Not a fan of fan art.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jun 2015, 04:14
I don't think I've ever rolled my eyes this hard at a DoA comic before.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Jun 2015, 15:05
Thank Valen I've never been THAT bad


I hope
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 29 Jun 2015, 21:31
This is one of the stupidest, hypocritical things Amber could choose to start an argument over, but Danny went ahead and Danned everything up by going straight for the most asshole comeback in his arsenal.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jun 2015, 21:41
I thought Danny was saying that he was sick of pretending Amber wasn't his girlfriend (because of her alter ego), but maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 Jun 2015, 21:44
And so, I get my wish but in the sprit of the thread title, I must say, damn you, Willis, for only giving me the ass-end of a different set of characters' interactions than the ones I had hoped for.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jun 2015, 23:16
I wonder if Danny's pride has made this three-for-three dumpings whilst at college. I suppose, being only a late teen, it is too much to hope for to expect him to be entirely rational and mature. Still, he could at least try to be nice instead of defensive.

Ethan seems to be invested in this relationship himself. Is he just being 'the nice guy' (which is his normal role) or does he really think those two are good for each other?

I thought Danny was saying that he was sick of pretending Amber wasn't his girlfriend (because of her alter ego), but maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

Maybe he was but it was probably the wrong thing to say in an argument. Basically he was using Amber's mental and emotional issues to tell her that she has nothing to say to him about his drinking right now. That's a dick move, in my view.

[edit]
Lots of anger on DMW's comments page today. I'm not sure why but I'm wondering if some readers are feeling a disconnect between fundamentally liking and admiring Amber (she's a damaged young woman who wants to turn her injuries into a force for good) and disliking her very rigid morality and stance regarding the letter of the law, at least as far as it applies to other people (I've seen the same cognitive dissonance affecting people's reactions to Joyce).

To draw a parallel, it reminds me a little of how posters on this site and the subreddit sometimes react to Claire when she turns her acid tongue on Clinton. They basically like and admire the character but they don't like some of her attitudes and the conflicting emotions lead to outbursts sometimes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Jun 2015, 02:29
Random thought: Could Blaine be an alcohol abuser who gets worse on alcohol? Or is this just Amber trying to not be a hypocrite?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 30 Jun 2015, 06:31
Lots of anger on DMW's comments page today. I'm not sure why but I'm wondering if some readers are feeling a disconnect between fundamentally liking and admiring Amber (she's a damaged young woman who wants to turn her injuries into a force for good) and disliking her very rigid morality and stance regarding the letter of the law

This is going to sound like a very blown out of proportion example considering it's a comic character who beats up campus hooligans vs. characters who regular save the world, and we're talking about underaged-drinking vs. Cold War red scare politics: But when someone is that strongly legalist, they'll end up becoming a tool of the oppressor rather than a friend of the oppressed, because not all laws are actually good. One of the reasons The Dark Knight Returns is my favorite Batman series is that it shows the difference between Batman's code vs. Superman's, with Superman have becoming just a pawn.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jun 2015, 07:03
I wonder if Danny's pride has made this three-for-three dumpings whilst at college.
Wait, what was dumping #2? I can only think of the one that started the comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jun 2015, 07:11
I wonder if Danny's pride has made this three-for-three dumpings whilst at college.
Wait, what was dumping #2? I can only think of the one that started the comic.

Actually, after refreshing my memory, it would actually be two-for-two; I had a slightly garbled recollection of his relationship with Billie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jun 2015, 07:13
Wait, his relationship with Billie? I completely forgot that was a thing at all and even thinking about it...nothing comes to mind. I powered through the comic late last year.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jun 2015, 07:21
Wait, his relationship with Billie? I completely forgot that was a thing at all and even thinking about it...nothing comes to mind. I powered through the comic late last year.

It all starts here (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/02-choosing-my-religion/eyecontact/) and runs on for about five strips. For Joe to have thought that Danny got lucky, he and Billie must have got pretty far before Billie got the message that Danny wasn't interested.

I will say this much: I pity Danny just on the grounds that he is never going to be able to go back to normal girls after Billie and Amber. They've spoiled him for the Dorothys of this world! :wink:
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Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jun 2015, 07:29
Oh right! He made the sock a liar! A LIAR, DAN!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 30 Jun 2015, 16:57
*blink* That doesn't count as a relationship at all in my book. It's not even an ONS.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Jun 2015, 17:11
*blink* That doesn't count as a relationship at all in my book. It's not even an ONS.

I'm with you on this one
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jun 2015, 17:22
Geeze Danny!!!

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f50/Kugai2/Memes/Putin2Medals.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jun 2015, 23:28
Congratulations to David and Maggie! I hope that everything goes well and that their family's life is one of happiness!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Jul 2015, 14:24
Ditto

And the next Movie Night Party DEFINITELY needs to be Animal House
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Jul 2015, 23:11
Poor Joyce! Stuff like today's strip illustrates why she can never keep a good mood! :laugh:

[edit]
I've also been archive-binging on 'It's Walky' and do you know what occurred to me? DMW's plot thread for the superhero arc was very, very similar to the story that we are getting in Agents of SHIELD season 2! :-o

I love the superhero versions of the DoA crew (although you could argue, due to the age of the strips that the DoA crew are 'ordinary life' versions of the superheroes). I'm currently thinking out a fanfiction where DoA Joyce meets IW Joyce in a dream. In many ways, they are very, very different women due to the apocalyptically different circumstances of IW Joyce's young adulthood. I wonder if they would even recognise each other or if DoA Joyce would view her as an 'evil twin' (something that IW Joyce would consider ironic).

I'd also really like to bring back the Yellow Stripes as regular superheroes (X-Com having taken over the anti-alien role, the Powers That Be needed a way to usefully employ this dangerous bunch that was not a waste of potential).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Jul 2015, 11:28
Dang Joyce, chill
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Jul 2015, 11:33
Yeah, there's no pleasing her, apparently. She was perfectly right to change the subject the first time, obviously, but come on.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 02 Jul 2015, 18:50
Honestly, someone bringing up the party incident is more than enough to put her on edge. She is not ready to deal with what Dina has to say, because she doesn't know if she can believe it or not. She shut down the party convo for obvious reasons, so when science stuff gets brought up--as it's already an established touchy subject for her--it was better for her mental health just to shut that down, too. That's what happens sometimes when you get anxious. You get antsy and irritable. Her brain doesn't have room for stuff like that right now. She just needs a bit of room to talk about something that doesn't make her uncomfortable. I think that's reasonable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Jul 2015, 21:47
In other news, I feel this to be a very Dina-heavy chapter. I appreciate this.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Jul 2015, 21:51
If the title and preview art are any indication, the next chapter is even Dina-ier.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Jul 2015, 23:02
I think that Joyce is about to have a very painful encounter with reality. She's a good soul but she has to be made to understand that she doesn't have the answers. Maybe it will help her develop a better understanding of feelings and the wrong impression her easygoing intimacy gives some people without her intending it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Jul 2015, 17:12
This will be interesting


Maybe she can crash with Dina
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Jul 2015, 21:10
This will be interesting


Maybe she can crash with Dina

Or...

Billie, I mean, that can happen also
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jul 2015, 00:09
I'm waiting for Sal to get a weird feeling that something is amiss. Wasn't her roommate 'Billie' rather than 'Becky'? Since when was she a redhead? I'll laugh if this turns into a mini-arc in its own right!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 04 Jul 2015, 00:43
Sal and Billie have known each other since childhood so I don't think she'll confuse Billie and Becky.

I've been wondering if Becky might move into Billie's room since it was revealed Becky ran away but wasn't sure if it would actually happen.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Jul 2015, 06:44
Sal and Billie have known each other since childhood so I don't think she'll confuse Billie and Becky.

So I understand. That said, it could be done, comedy-of-errors style. It would require that Sal doesn't actually meet her new room-mate for some time due to incompatible schedules. She's trying to work out why everyone keeps calling Billie 'Becky' ("That's Becky's room!") and why there are red hairs on her pillow in the like. It could build to a comedic climax when Sal refuses Becky entrance to the room on the grounds that it isn't her room to sleep in and Billie has to be called to untangle the resulting confusion. This, in turn, gets Ruth involved. Naturally this leads to public exposure of Becky's situation and Billie's new domestic arrangements.

I mean... Maybe it's me. Maybe I watched to many Carry On... films and it has permanently stuck my humour sense on 'madcap'. If this were 'Shortpacked', it would me more likely, I guess.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 04 Jul 2015, 07:27
It's Ruth, not Rose.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Jul 2015, 07:37
Or, as the girls in her dorm call her, Roseless.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Jul 2015, 21:20
What just got scrunched, exactly?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 04 Jul 2015, 21:24
Her high school banner
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Jul 2015, 22:05
Yeah.. I don't see how any of this can possibly end well...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2015, 00:35
Yeah.. I don't see how any of this can possibly end well...

Yeah, Joyce even went so far as to utter Famous Last Words, just to emphasise that the whole project is doomed to failure.

I've been waiting for Ruth/Billie to blow up in their faces more-or-less since they made what sounded horribly like a suicide pact.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 05 Jul 2015, 13:58
Sal and Billie have known each other since childhood so I don't think she'll confuse Billie and Becky.

Not physically, but recall the roommate agreement arc that went on for like 100 strips at the beginning of the comic because Sal and Billie were NEVER in the room at the same time.

Had a similar situation sophomore year actually, I'm a theatre major and he was an art major. He had studios and classes in the morning and I had all my classes in the afternoon, and then rehearsals. Between debate team and other clubs I pretty much never went back to the dorm for any purpose during the day. And he was always either already asleep or out somewhere when I got back, usually around 11 PM. I don't recall if we ever got the damn thing signed. Fortunately we had a pretty negligent RA and it didn't end up mattering.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Jul 2015, 14:16
I've been waiting for Ruth/Billie to blow up in their faces more-or-less since they made what sounded horribly like a suicide pact.
Sounded like?

http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/pact/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Jul 2015, 14:36
You really are your own worst enemy, aren't you Billie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 05 Jul 2015, 14:40
Honestly, who isn't? I know I am.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Jul 2015, 15:34
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/takecare/

That's an even more overt statement of a suicide pact, even though the previous comic I linked outright said "sexy lesbian suicide pact".
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 05 Jul 2015, 17:45
Honestly, who isn't? I know I am.

It's no surprise to me, but I think maybe I am my own worst enemy. It's just like, every now and then I kick the living shit out of me, you know?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2015, 23:51
New strip up and...

I've got to say that it's kind of sad. The implication really is that Ruth is having trouble imagining why anyone would want to hold her hand in an affectionate way.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Jul 2015, 00:22
Do i detect a minuscule hint of a smile on Ruths face?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Jul 2015, 23:08
Assuming that she survives college, I suspect that Ruth will be the lynchpin of some psychiatrist's career. She is in a mess.

Meanwhile, I wonder if having a mischievous and much younger girlfriend may help her at least get out of her emotional dysfunction. Just keeping up with Billie will doubtless stretch some hind-brain 'muscles' that she hasn't used for a while.

I'm not sure about the 'I only feel anger' thing. She could seriously hurt someone if she has a rage incident.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 07 Jul 2015, 03:37
Ow, Ruth. That hit really close to home.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 04:28
much younger girlfriend
Wait, what? I thought Ruth was like...a year older.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jul 2015, 05:41
I wouldn't say much younger. Most RA's, in my limited experience are still in their early 20's, still students. I'd estimate Ruth to be at her oldest, 22, more likely 21.

Still a significant age gap, with Billie being either 18 or 19, but 'much younger' seems an exaggeration
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 07 Jul 2015, 10:44
I thought Ruth was a sophomore (19-20), junior (20-21) at most. O_______O
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jul 2015, 10:48
I thought Ruth was a sophomore (19-20), junior (20-21) at most. O_______O

Still possible. I don't recall whether she clarified, but I'd be surprised if her school allowed that, mostly because it means MY school allowed it, which could well mean I was older than my last RA. I figured we were about the same age.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 10:58
Why would you being older than your RA be weird at all? At my school, anyone who wasn't a freshman could be an RA.

Also, I always got the vibe (if it wasn't directly said) that Ruth was drinking underage as well.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jul 2015, 11:09
Well part of it's the fact I'm 22 and I still look, and get treated like I'm 16. I got carded for buying Shaun of the Dead. I almost had the cops called for buying beer one time. It's that thing where when people treat you like you're younger, after a while, you just assume you actually ARE younger, regardless of facts. That, adding up, I assume everyone in any position of authority just be default MUST be older than me.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 11:24
Heh, fair enough. I look both younger and older than I am...somehow. It depends on my beard.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jul 2015, 13:15
Heh, fair enough. I look both younger and older than I am...somehow. It depends on my beard.

I feel my facial hair works against me, but that's my opinion, it doesn't seem to match up with people's expressions/responses to me buying age-restricted items. I'd say the significant hairless patches beneath my chin would give me away, but I guess my not-impressive height and tendency to stare at my feet and hands helps me out there, because all they see is my shitty 'stache and possibly the less-shitty goatee that happens naturally after a few days.

This is off-topic, so I'm going to also say that today's comic gave me a lot of feelings. I know the feeling Rose is describing, it's the same thing I felt back in 2011, when I started giving serious thought to killing myself. I didn't have a Billie; I was isolated as hell, miles from anyone who wasn't related to me and without a car. I got saved by procrastination, but considering Ruth's tried once already to off herself, I feel like that's not a problem she has.

I don't think it's a popular opinion, but I really like Ruth. There's more to her, I think, than she lets her floor know, with the exception of Billie. She acts so tough, but I get the sense from comics like today's that it's because she feels so weak against herself. That interpretation works in sync with how aware she is of her alcoholism and tendency to give in despite that awareness, giving her self-hatred that much more fuel. She also doesn't like being told things about herself and her motivations, hence her response to Billie. She'd probably beat the shit out of me if she read this. Then, she'd go to Billie for comfort and not actually tell her exactly what upset her.

 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Jul 2015, 16:04
Billie

Ruths version of Linus' blanket.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jul 2015, 23:10
I know that Amber has fallen for Danny in a big way but I'm starting to question just how healthy he is for her. It seems pretty clear to me that he's exacerbating the divide between the 'Amber' and 'Amazi-Girl' psyches. I'm not sure that he appreciates just how dangerously damaged that Amber is and is just treating this as a make-believe game with his girlfriend liking to dress up to play dom with him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 08 Jul 2015, 07:16
"Probation, suspension, and even expulsion."

Um, does Amber think that they go to BYU? Or maybe IU/Indiana law is different. But for a first-time underaged drinking offense here you just get a large fine that will probably make your parents very upset. Civil/criminal penalties aside, I've only ever heard once instance of a repeat marijuana offender getting a two-semester suspension.

EDIT: I decided to do some digging and Indiana vs. North Carolina law is very different. So I have to give deference to Amber a bit on this one.

North Carolina:
Misdemeanor on permanent criminal record
Up to $200 fine and court costs

Indiana:
Driver’s licenses suspended for up to one year.
May be sentenced to not more than 60 days in jail.
Fine of up to $500.
The judge may order you to participate in an alcohol treatment program.

To satisfy my curiosity and boredom further, I decided to look at campus policies as well.

"Indiana University will discipline students and employees who violate this Alcohol and Drug-Free Campus Policy up to and including expulsion...and/or referral for prosecution. Discipline may also include the completion of an appropriate rehabilitation program."

My university (first offense) - Written Warning
Referral to Wellness Center
Service Fee ($100.00)

So basically Amber is completely right and ignore what I said at the beginning of this post.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 09:09
Holy shit, Indiana.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 08 Jul 2015, 09:24
I know that Amber has fallen for Danny in a big way but I'm starting to question just how healthy he is for her. It seems pretty clear to me that he's exacerbating the divide between the 'Amber' and 'Amazi-Girl' psyches. I'm not sure that he appreciates just how dangerously damaged that Amber is and is just treating this as a make-believe game with his girlfriend liking to dress up to play dom with him.

As someone who lives with mental illness and has dated people in the past who either exacerbated or enabled my more self- destructive tendencies, I agree. Danny seems to mean well, but  I dont think he realizes how troubled she is. He thinks it's fun and romantic dating a super hero. Amber seems to be getting worse, not better. For example, the 'voice' started out as a trick to keep him from recognizing her, but now she's using it as a hard indicator of the growing division between the two personalities. What started out as a form of conscious sublimation is getting more out of her control.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Jul 2015, 15:30
Ambers split personality is confusing to Danny I think.

Got help him if he hurts Amber though, Amazi-Girl's liable to go Postal on him like she did with her douchebag of a father if he goes too far.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 08 Jul 2015, 16:07
Holy shit, Indiana.

Also, the fact that IU will refer you for prosecution is the crazy part. You won't get referred here until your third alcohol-related offense, which is also the first time suspension even enters the picture. Hell, they won't even refer you until your second marijuana offense. It makes me wonder if IU has a super-conservative Board of Trustees or something.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jul 2015, 00:50
It's a bit of a mixed bag. Yes, Danny is causing his own problems but there is a slip in today's strip (7/9) that suggests that Danny is also a unifying anchor between Amber's two personae; her feelings for him may enable her two parts to function together more closely.

It's still early days; I guess we'll just have to see where it goes!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jul 2015, 17:01
Dawwww

Cuteness abounds
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 09 Jul 2015, 21:18
New chapter!  I think it's gonna be a fun one.  Unless Becky's parents show up?  You'd think someone would've happened on that front by now.  Unless Willis is saving things for Book 6, Chapter 1: To Those Who'd Ground Me...

Also, brontosaurus and brachiosaurus are the only names I recognize in that last panel.  I am not dinosaur-savvy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 09 Jul 2015, 22:15
Look at Dina's bottom right thought bubble in the last panel.

I may have squee'd audibly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jul 2015, 23:50
From panel 3, I'm assuming that Becky and Dina smuggled last night.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jul 2015, 04:13
Look at Dina's bottom right thought bubble in the last panel.
Didn't know she was a Beck fan :wow:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 10 Jul 2015, 10:10
From panel 3, I'm assuming that Becky and Dina smuggled last night.

Yup. Gotta sneak those dinosaurs into the country somehow.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jul 2015, 16:43
Raptorous applause
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Jul 2015, 21:49
Dina! Have I mentioned how much I love her in theory, but would be only mildly amused/often annoyed/very confused by her in real life?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Jul 2015, 21:54
Grawwr!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 10 Jul 2015, 22:25
RRARRGGHGL!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jul 2015, 16:33
RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 11 Jul 2015, 17:11
rawr?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Jul 2015, 18:22
Snoof
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 11 Jul 2015, 21:10
I want to say something about Dinah, and the statement today's strip makes about her perceptions, but there's also how Amber's compartmentalization, and Danny's thing about rubbing his relationship in Dorothy's face. Lots of things, and a good giggle besides!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jul 2015, 00:46
It's interesting that, without the costume, Dina can't differentiate between Amber and Amazi-Girl. That tells you a lot about who and what she is.

To quote probably the only decent line of dialogue in an otherwise dire movie (Batman and Robin): "Am I Batman or am I Bruce Wayne? I'm neither... because I'm both." For Amber, the turning point will be when she acknowledges that, maybe, she isn't as compartmentalised as she thinks. Amber chooses to play the role of Amazi-Girl but it is her pain, her love of justice and her morality that Amazi-Girl enacts.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Jul 2015, 15:27
Dina is not as confused as Dina thinks she is
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Jul 2015, 23:58
Well, it looks like Dina has guaranteed a public argument between Danny, Dorothy, Walky and possibily Amber.

I, for one, am counting down until Danny looses his patience with Amber's 'secret identity' schtick.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 14 Jul 2015, 23:28
Well, it looks like Dina has guaranteed a public argument between Danny, Dorothy, Walky and possibily Amber.

I, for one, am counting down until Danny looses his patience with Amber's 'secret identity' schtick.
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Jul 2015, 07:43
Sarah, you are the fucking worst sometimes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Jul 2015, 14:10
Oh for FUCKS sake Sarah, stop being an ass every three minutes!!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Jul 2015, 18:33
Oh for FUCKS sake Sarah, stop being an ass every three minutes!!!!!!

I feel that's something of a mantra inside Sarah's head, even as she pushes people away.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Jul 2015, 23:14
DoA, it seems, is full of characters who desperately need friends and hugs. Then there's Mike...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 16 Jul 2015, 01:03
He needs friends too. So he can destroy them.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 16 Jul 2015, 04:32
I laughed, ChaoSera.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Jul 2015, 13:16
And now Steve will join them for his Cereal.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Jul 2015, 23:28
Dinah: Secret Agent

Dumbing Of Age: Covert Ops
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Jul 2015, 00:40
Well, Dina does have the ability to be ignored. She could probably sit next to Raidah and Jacob and take verbatim notes of their discussion and it isn't a given that they'd even be aware of her presence!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Jul 2015, 00:46
Well, Dina does have the ability to be ignored. She could probably sit next to Raidah and Jacob and take verbatim notes of their discussion and it isn't a given that they'd even be aware of her presence!

Which makes her the ultimate secret agent, duh
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Jul 2015, 16:28
Dinaninja
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 18 Jul 2015, 21:51
Prediction: Dina gets caught somehow. Raidah says something not nice, which makes Jacob like her less.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Jul 2015, 23:39
This looks like a fun arc. I wonder how sneaky Dina will be when she's trying to be sneaky and not unintentionally being unnoticed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Jul 2015, 23:46
I've got the feeling that she's going to run into Becky and get sidetracked. It's just that hanging out with her GF is more interesting than listening to Raidah and Jacob being diabetes-inducingly sweet with eachother.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 19 Jul 2015, 01:33
I think once Dina has set herself on a task, she is not easily distracted (which may piss off Becky in that scenario).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Jul 2015, 12:35
One should definitely not hunt prey in a Triceratops Hoodie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Jul 2015, 17:24
One should definitely not hunt prey in a Triceratops Hoodie.

All I want to do now is buy a triceratops hoodie and a slingshot, then declare war on squirrels.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 19 Jul 2015, 20:39
Triceratops never fought squirrels, your statement is lacking credibility.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Jul 2015, 20:46
Triceratops never fought squirrels, your statement is lacking credibility.

Squirrel are MY prey. I could not prey upon now-extinct animals.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Jul 2015, 21:04
This Sarah/Jacob/Raidah story is getting boring.  More Dina & Becky shenanigans, please!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Jul 2015, 21:05
This Sarah/Jacob/Raidah story is getting boring.  More Dina & Becky shenanigans, please!

Patience...

We'll get there.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Jul 2015, 21:09
But but but...I want it noowwwwwwwww....
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Jul 2015, 23:39
I'm wondering if Dina has a conspiracy theorist side to her. It would be funny if she were to interpret a completely mundane conversation as some kind of highly-coded plot being discussed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Jul 2015, 23:54
Amazi-Girls new sidekick The Cocoa Pops Kid.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 20 Jul 2015, 05:42
I'm wondering if Dina has a conspiracy theorist side to her. It would be funny if she were to interpret a completely mundane conversation as some kind of highly-coded plot being discussed.
Well, she has been kidnapped before... (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-2/01-pajama-jeans/kidnapped/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jul 2015, 20:00
Willis's tumblr (http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/124604850047/how-are-you-finding-the-writing-of-a-pov-storyline) gives some hint about the direction of the current storyline:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Jul 2015, 20:03
DUDE! What the hell, I don't care if Willis said it, that's still a spoiler! Spoiler tag that shit now!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jul 2015, 20:16
Shit, my bad.  Sorry sorry.  I assumed Word Of God on something like that was safe, but apparently not.  Sorry sorry again.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Jul 2015, 20:21
I don't know, it might be me, but a spoiler's a spoiler. Kind of a dick move for Willis to spoil it, but that's his choice. Doesn't mean people should share that unless asked for. Thanks for editing it :)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jul 2015, 20:55
"These characters will not appear in the current story" didn't seem very spoiler-y to me, but meh, to each their own.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 20 Jul 2015, 21:02
"... and the aptly-named Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 20 Jul 2015, 21:05
On second thought, forget Becky (for now).  I like where this is going.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Jul 2015, 21:11
Heh. I like this turn.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Jul 2015, 00:01
Personally, I like and actively seek out spoilers, mostly because I hate suspense.

I think that Dina is going to learn a bit about some different forms of love from Joyce and Ethan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 21 Jul 2015, 01:59
I don't think Joyce is the right adress to learn about different forms of love.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Jul 2015, 02:27
I don't think Joyce is the right adress to learn about different forms of love.

It depends on your definition of 'love'.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Jul 2015, 16:21
THEY HAVE SEEN HER

They are immune to her invisiblilty cloak
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Jul 2015, 23:33
Joyce is uncomfortable, and Dinah is unconcerned! I am a happy clam.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Jul 2015, 23:34
Poor Joyce should never lie! Those tells look positively painful to see and experience!

Meanwhile, DMW is really playing up Ethan as a Paladin, isn't he? He's got this inherent sad nobility about him that makes it quite obvious what Joyce is attracted to!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Jul 2015, 21:07
Oh, Joyce.

Oh, Joyce, Joyce, Joyce.

Joyce.

Come on, girl.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Jul 2015, 21:53
Wait, wait. I know DoA moves slow, but Becky's only been there for a weekend?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 22 Jul 2015, 22:39
Long weekend.  She showed up on Thursday night, went to classes with Joyce and out for sushi with the gang on Friday, organized the party on Saturday.  Today is Sunday.  One day per chapter, each chapter three/four months our time.  More glacial pace than QC, but better plotted.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Jul 2015, 23:43
When I read today's strip, the first thing that came to my mind was: "Calm down, Joyce! Breathe and think, girl!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jul 2015, 05:30
but better plotted.
Arguable.

That being said, I never noticed the "day per chapter" thing. Counting the chapters, it means they're on day 24.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 23 Jul 2015, 10:33
Well, there have been a few time-skips, but yeah, it's basically one day per chapter.  Someone made a helpful timeline (http://www.ci-n.com/~jcampbel/doatimeline.html).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Jul 2015, 11:44
We're on Day 29 then. So...early October, I guess?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jul 2015, 14:16
Oh dear Joyce

Time to mimic the sound of silence I think
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Jul 2015, 21:04
Walky, you are literally talking prostitution for pizza.

Come on.

At least hold out for a calzone.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Jul 2015, 23:12
Sometimes I just wanna smack Walky upside the head.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Jul 2015, 23:24
WALKY!

Sometimes, I wonder if this is just play-acting on his part in a desperate attempt not to be taken seriously and thus not trusted and required to do work. The alternatives seem  to be that he is either aggressively lazy and actively seeking to be useless or that he has a huge entitlement complex that forms the center of his self identity.

One wonders what Dorothy sees in him! He must be great in the sack or something!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 24 Jul 2015, 01:15
Given the way his parents treat him, how could he NOT have a fundamental sense of entitlement? He's never had to work for anything in his life.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 24 Jul 2015, 07:01
Yeah, it's definitely the latter. I don't think Walky even knows how to be deceptive or subtle. He is the Golden Child of his family. He's never had to work for anything. Grades, success as a child actor, overly doting parents to the point where they pretty much disown his twin. He is right now an example of the entitlement addled man-child who still hasn't quite gotten that he can't just effortlessly coast though life the way he has up until now. Mostly because everyone lets him get away with his shit and thinks it's charming.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2015, 22:04
I can't tell if Walky's a smart moron or a dumb genius.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Jul 2015, 00:01
Walky is very intuitive and probably has a very high potential intelligence. However, a combination of personality and bad upbringing makes him behaviourally dumb.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 25 Jul 2015, 07:28
He's good at figuring stuff out, he just doesn't do anything about it. Like Ben said, very intuitive, but he's just got a personality to make him look like an idiot, and he really doesn't care. Dumb genius would be the designation, I think
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 01:38
I think I really understand what Ethan is saying here. He seems worried that he might end up being a role rather than a person, due to common perceptions as to what a gay man is and is not supposed to be.

In the end, he wants to be 'Ethan, that nice guy' who happens to be gay. He doesn't want to be 'that gay guy Ethan'. You can contrast this with Becky who has an entirely opposite viewpoint - she wants to be in everybody's face. It's basically an expression of their own personalities. Some want to shout it from the rooftops; others want it to be just their business and be as 'in the closet' as they please.

Onto a different subject; I've been thinking about this for a few weeks: If I understood Dorothy correctly, The Kinsey Scale runs from zero to six with '0' being entirely hetrosexual (with no queer leanings at all) and '6' being entirely homosexual (with no hetro leanings at all). I've taken a stab at where various DoA characters lie on that scale (where sufficient evidence exists to make a guess).

Joyce - 1 (She seems to have some very mild homoromantic feelings towards Sal and Dorothy);
Dorothy - 0 (Dorothy, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have any leanings in that direction);
Danny - 2 or 3 (I might attract flak for this; whilst he's bi enough for it to intrude into his subconscious, he seems, at the moment, more hetro-inclined);
Ethan - 5 (Again, I'm expecting this to create debate. It is difficult not to have my perceptions of Ethan corrupted by his 'Shortpacked!' counterpart; he is gay but it isn't inconceivable that he can feel a certain tender romantic feelings towards women);
Becky - 6 (Becky's personality makes it difficult to judge sometimes but she hasn't shown even the slightest hetroromantic inclination to date);
Dina - ? (Dina's strange social disorder makes it difficult to judge. I can see why some considered her an aesexual and it is entirely possible that her feelings for Becky are entirely romantic with no sexual component whatsoever)
Walky - 0 (Although his personality means we can sometimes wonder if he's a '3')
Sal - 0 (Although Sal is cryptic and emotionally damaged enough that there is some measure of uncertainty about how her feelings determine her sexual behaviour and vice-versa).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 05:40
Btw, it's zero to six, not zero to seven (although you do later correctly say 0 to 6 later). But Danny being a 3 would put him exactly bi, while a 2 would make him only slightly preferring women.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 27 Jul 2015, 06:02
And, X is also a choice, for asexuals.

And, the Kinsey scale also only includes sexual attraction, not romantic attraction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 28 Jul 2015, 15:29
And, X is also a choice, for asexuals.

And, the Kinsey scale also only includes sexual attraction, not romantic attraction.
Asexuals subdivide into romantic, and aromantic.  Romantic asexuals will desire relationships with other people, just not have any desire for sex.  Aromantic asexuals don't desire any relationships with other people.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Jul 2015, 18:31
ALL HANDS, NEW BOYFRIEND ALERT!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 18:38
I'm honestly not sure what I want to happen with Danny.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 28 Jul 2015, 21:11
SEXO LOCO!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Jul 2015, 21:35
Hatsssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 Jul 2015, 06:39
Danny, Ethan, take a second and think. Why do you THINK the other is there?

Also, Ethan, you're rocking that dino-hat.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 29 Jul 2015, 21:19
Danny's doing that thing again, make him stop.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jul 2015, 23:36
It's cute, in a way, that Danny has never been able to  put two and two together about Amber's ex. Lack of curiousity, perhaps? I can well understand it if he doesn't really want too many details about her previous relationships but, still, he should have been able to realise that there was a chance that Ethan is gay from Amber's comments!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jul 2015, 03:31
There's always one totally clueless idiot in the group
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 30 Jul 2015, 15:08
It seems to me that he just doesn't really understand anything about human sexuality. Other than sex = fun, of course.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Jul 2015, 21:05
Oh my gosh, am I the only one who loves that Dinah, the (presumed) asexual in the group don't give a FUCK about the Ethan/Danny interaction, just that it interferes with her personal love affair with sausage (a very phallic topping) pizza?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Jul 2015, 21:09
The scene: a woman, walking between two weiners in search of sausage. The weiners are not especially interested in the woman. The woman is likewise uninterested. The woman eats pizza.
The end.

I am so happy right now
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 30 Jul 2015, 22:21
Countdown until Danny understands what bisexuality is: 998,332 days.

Only slightly related: Beat writer William Burroughs was among the thousands of participants studied by Kinsey when the Institute first started, and there are some really interesting passages in Naked Lunch about what that was like.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 04:44
So about a week in comic time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jul 2015, 15:34
Never get between a Triceratops and its food.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Jul 2015, 22:36
I'm taking today's strip as a sign that Dina really is asexual. She apparently observes Danny and Amber's trysts as a n academic exercise in biology and sociology.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 22:58
Perhaps. But she might not be aromantic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Aug 2015, 03:06
Counterpoint:
Quote from: Hannelore
"Boy, that sure triggered a lot of MY dopamine receptors! Thanks for helping me trick my body into believing it fulfilled its genetic imperative!"
(from http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1109)

And Hanners has definitely expressed having had sexual attraction before, even if her phobias prevent her from acting on it.

So, Dina putting things into such clinical terms isn't proof that she's asexual, it could just be proof that she thinks of things in rather clinical terms. (I'm not saying that she's not asexual, but I'm not saying that she is either.)
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Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Aug 2015, 05:06
Good point! Time will tell, I suppose.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 Aug 2015, 07:28
More to the point the only way to tell if someone is aesexual is if they say 'I'm aesexual'.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Aug 2015, 07:40
Didn't know there it was spelled aesexual. Is it one of those weird "ae" hybrids?
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Post by: cesium133 on 01 Aug 2015, 13:58
Wait, if Dina knows so well how much Danny and Amber were boning... was she in the room when they did it, and they just didn't notice her there?  :psyduck:
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Post by: BenRG on 01 Aug 2015, 14:07
Wait, if Dina knows so well how much Danny and Amber were boning... was she in the room when they did it, and they just didn't notice her there?  :psyduck:

Dina is, by her nature, mostly invisible to others around her. So long as she remains quiet and mostly still, she could have been standing right next to Danny and Amber doing the deed and there is no guarantee that they would have noticed her. :-P
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Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Aug 2015, 14:38
Wait, if Dina knows so well how much Danny and Amber were boning... was she in the room when they did it, and they just didn't notice her there?  :psyduck:

I wouldn't put it past them, concerning they basically kidnapped her for a day trip
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Post by: Kugai on 01 Aug 2015, 15:41
I would say she was there if todays comic is anything to go by
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Post by: Loki on 01 Aug 2015, 22:54
It's not that hard to tell when a freshly involved teenage couple has boned (at least in fiction, at any rate). I seem to remember from the Slipshine they are not exactly silent, plus they would be walking around with that afterglow on their face.
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Post by: Stoon on 01 Aug 2015, 23:48
Didn't know there it was spelled aesexual. Is it one of those weird "ae" hybrids?
Maybe in Britain it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality)

http://www.asexuality.org/home/ (http://www.asexuality.org/home/)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Aug 2015, 23:03
I really love it when Joyce does her 'innocent maiden' thing. Is she horrified or secretly wishing that it was her? Personally, I think that the answer is 'both'.
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Post by: ChaoSera on 03 Aug 2015, 00:11
I highly approve of today's comic. Go Dina!
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Post by: Welu on 03 Aug 2015, 00:29
Omigosh. Well done, Dina.
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Post by: BenRG on 03 Aug 2015, 01:15
Two things occur to me, now I've had a chance to think about today's strip (8/3/15):
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Post by: Kugai on 03 Aug 2015, 16:23
Dinamyte
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Post by: Gladstone on 03 Aug 2015, 21:08
No no no no no no no.

I knew this would happen eventually. 

Although part of me wonders why this is such a big deal.  I mean, Becky is 18, right?  So she can do what she wants?  Granted, if her parents are paying for college, they can easily withdraw her support and pull her out, but...she's still an adult and doesn't have any legal obligation to follow Commandment #__.  But I suppose her dad won't be so easy to convince...
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Post by: sitnspin on 03 Aug 2015, 23:07
He already did pull her out. It's a big deal if he draws attention to the fact that Becky is staying there while not a student as she currently has nowhere else to live.
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Post by: BenRG on 03 Aug 2015, 23:30
Things are going to be rough for a few days but, depending on how this goes, this could end up a good thing for Becky. Nothing good could come of her being in limbo and hiding out in Sal and Billie's room indefinitely. I think that, if he talks to Joyce, the conversation will be very interesting to read.

That said, I wonder if Joyce is going to end up getting in trouble with her parents for 'hiding' Becky and maybe because she is 'letting her misbehaviour continue' as if Joyce had any way to stop it.

Although part of me wonders why this is such a big deal.  I mean, Becky is 18, right?

It isn't that simple. A lot of folk still hold a very Roman view of families and family power dynamics. Although it isn't Biblically justifiable, I know that some men see themselves as a Paterfamilias and regard the members of their household as something over which they have been divinely granted absolute tyranny. As his daughter, Becky's dad may regard her as his property to which he can do as he wants until said 'property' is transferred to some other man at her marriage. Like a Roman, such a man would regard the idea of a girl or woman ever having independent agency over herself as incomprehensible nonsense.

Granted, if her parents are paying for college, they can easily withdraw her support and pull her out, but...she's still an adult and doesn't have any legal obligation to follow Commandment #__.

No legal obligation but he may regard what he perceives as his divine mandate to trump any human law. He could easily be as much of a threat to Becky's safety as Blaine is to Amber's if he decides that Becky is 'beyond repair'. 'Honour' crimes are rare in this particular culture but not unheard of.
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Post by: Loki on 04 Aug 2015, 00:00
I have a feeling that somehow, Dina is going to kick his ass.
I don't know how, but I stand by my guess.
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2015, 01:32
You know, it is entirely possible (although somewhat unlikely) that we are doing Becky's dad a disservice. After all, we only have Becky's word for what happened when she was withdrawn from Anderson. It is possible that Becky, upset and riding several emotional roller-coasters (including Joyce telling her that there was no chance of anything happening between them), exaggerated events somewhat.

It will be interesting to see everyone's reaction if his first reaction, upon seeing Becky, is to burst into tears, hug her and thank God that she's safe.

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More likely, this whole thing could very easily get hugely complicated. If Becky refuses to go with her father and claims that she is in peril from him, then, irrespective of her status vis the college, the Administrators would be obliged to hand the matter over to the police (possibly even the Feds if state borders have been crossed).

My guess is that Becky's father is one of those men who, no matter how morally self-righteous, has a strong aversion to making a public spectacle of himself, especially in a dispute where he is unlikely to get his way. I think that he’ll decide that he’d prefer Becky within easy reach of someone he knows and trusts (Joyce) than her missing and on the run whilst doing who knows what to support herself. He’ll transfer her to Indiana State but will sternly instruct Joyce that she must have intensive moral sermonising sessions with her at least daily to ‘cure’ her of her ‘deviancy’ and that he’ll hold her personally responsible for the outcome.

This means that we will witness occasional calls to Joyce from Ross asking for status reports, the practical upshot of which will be that Joyce will become a skilled and plausible liar. When graduation comes, it is possible that Joyce may never be able to go back to her home church because Ross will have her cast out for being party to his daughter’s behaviour.
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Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Aug 2015, 03:19
I... honestly don't see that happening.
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2015, 03:28
I... honestly don't see that happening.

Which part? My previous post contains two nearly diametrically-opposed options.
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Post by: LeeC on 04 Aug 2015, 04:10
Pretty sure that's Becky's dad in the background of the last panel....

Dun Dun DUhhhhh!
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Post by: Masterpiece on 04 Aug 2015, 04:14
I... honestly don't see that happening.

Which part? My previous post contains two nearly diametrically-opposed options.

I posted before you edited your post, s'coooz me.

But Willis has said that he hates writing Becky's father, so option number one seems implausible.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2015, 04:17
Has Becky's dad shown up yet?
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2015, 04:27
Has Becky's dad shown up yet?

Yep; he's in the last panel of today's strip (8/4/15)
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Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Aug 2015, 04:40
Willis hates writing Becky's dad? This is an example of me not knowing things because I've only ready Shortpacked! and DoA. I could understand why it would be distasteful to write a character like Becky described, but the way that was worded suggests there's other reasons...
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Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2015, 05:20
Has Becky's dad shown up yet?

Yep; he's in the last panel of today's strip (8/4/15)
Sorry, I meant had. As in, before today. His appearance today is why I asked.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 04 Aug 2015, 05:39
Use the tags. ;)

http://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/ross/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2015, 05:45
So no, just in a flashback.

(And thanks, I always forget about the tags)
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Aug 2015, 06:48
I really don't see this as a tearful reunion. Other than I don't see this as ending in anything other than tears. I rather doubt he will be as overtly evil as Amber's father, but still harmful in his controlling ways as he tries to 'fix' his daughter. The last time he tried to do that he pulled her out of a Christian school and made her come home, because apparently the school wasn't doing a good enough job or something. I doubt this encounter is going to go any better. And being legally an adult is one thing.. Becky might be eventually allowed to go free, legally. What happens to her between now and when the law forces the issue is another matter. Not that I think things will go that far, this is Willis' writing after all. But this still has the hall marks of Becky being outed as a vagrant staying at the school, quite possibly having the to make the choice of being forced to go back home or becoming homeless and jobless in this city. Alternately someone could help her cut all dies with her family and arrange funding to enroll in Joyce's school properly.

There is another factor people haven't brought up. Joyce has been ducking her own very religious and controlling family over this issue for a while now. It will be getting back to them soon. I doubt they are going to be any happier about the situation than Becky's parents are. They might even want to do the same thing and try to pull Joyce out of the school as it is obviously a 'corrupting influence'.
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2015, 06:59
@Neko_Ali,

WARNING! Spoiler Picture (http://40.media.tumblr.com/d54573fc30c0ad135bcc513be7b165a0/tumblr_nnxv6ml2471qkinreo1_1280.png)

My guess is this might be Joyce's reaction when Ross informs her that he'll be telling her parents that she is "conniving in my daughter's sin" and will insist that they 'discipline' her. That might even go so far as to him to promise to raise it publicly during the next church service and turn it into a matter for their broader community.

He strikes me as that kind of a guy, especially if he can't get his own way with Becky for whatever reason.

Either that or Danny tells Joyce that he's attracted to Ethan; Joyce doesn't know whether to be morally scandalised or horribly jealous of a 'rival'.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 Aug 2015, 07:12
meh, I doubt Joyce would see Danny as a 'rival'. I mean she always new on some level that Ethan was gay and not attracted to her. I've said before I think that's why she started dating him. He was a guy, but he was safe because he wouldn't try to rape her like the ass at the party did. Remember when she ran out of the class, Ethan was the ONLY person she didn't see with her rapist's face. Also it was a lower level safe as it let her have the 'boyfriend experience' without engaging in  pre-marital hanky-panky.

They were a kind of co-dependent couple... Each acting as a beard for the other for different reasons. But now that Joyce is in her 'I must help the gays!' mindset I think she would be equally delighted and repulsed by the idea of Ethan and Danny smooching. (Because it's all about the sex you know....) Much the same reaction she had over Becky and Dina. That shock/horror expression seems more like she just walked out of the room and saw Becky's dad in the foyer....
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Post by: Gladstone on 04 Aug 2015, 15:21
At any rate, the preview art Willis posted for November 10th shows that things are about to get very real.

SPOILERS (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/125868231997/bloomington-ambulances-are-x-treme-nonplayskool)
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Post by: cesium133 on 04 Aug 2015, 15:30
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Post by: 94ssd on 04 Aug 2015, 15:35
At any rate, the preview art Willis posted for November 10th shows that things are about to get very real.

SPOILERS (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/125868231997/bloomington-ambulances-are-x-treme-nonplayskool)

I'm going to spoiler tag this even though it's the dumbest possible theory:

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Post by: Gladstone on 04 Aug 2015, 15:51
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Back to the subject of Becky's rights vs. her dad's beliefs...I guess I've been an atheist so long I no longer understand religious fundamentalists and their ironclad patriarchal beliefs.  So even if Becky is legally an adult, Ross can still fuck things up for her.  Sigh.
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Post by: cesium133 on 04 Aug 2015, 15:52
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Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2015, 15:54
Why are so many people looking up spoilers?
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Post by: Gladstone on 04 Aug 2015, 16:03
BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE.

Honestly, I don't mind spoilers.  Knowing what's going to happen doesn't ruin the story.
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Post by: Welu on 04 Aug 2015, 16:12
I only see them because I follow Willis on Tumblr. I don't consider the image previews to be spoiler-y usually because they're close-ups and seem to be to show off big expressions. Although I also seem to be in the minority for taking them at face value and have no interest in speculating about them.
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Post by: Kugai on 04 Aug 2015, 16:14
I think he's about to run into Amazi-Girl
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Post by: BenRG on 04 Aug 2015, 23:53
I've got this weird feeling that there is something that we're not being told yet. Ross could have legitimately gone to the College Administrators, told them that he was looking for a missing family member and arranged a meeting with Joyce through them (Ruth would likely have passed on the message or the admins would have texted Joyce's cell with-it). Instead he seems to be trying to stay off IU's radar. I'm wondering if his actions at Anderson have led to official concerns about him and Becky's safety being raised.

Regarding the spoiler: Ross is obviously a strong man and could seriously hurt someone. However, it's far enough ahead (90+ strips) that, for example, it could be something completely unrelated like the outcome of Raidah shooting Sarah in class in a moment of drug-fuelled vengeance, as a random example.
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Post by: 94ssd on 05 Aug 2015, 00:10
I've got this weird feeling that there is something that we're not being told yet. Ross could have legitimately gone to the College Administrators, told them that he was looking for a missing family member and arranged a meeting with Joyce through them...

I see several obstacles to this scenario, actually. One of which is that administration putting a random person in contact with a student without that student's consent is probably a FERPA violation.

I sometimes work at an information desk for a university, I know for a fact that if I get a call asking ' is [insert name here] a student here' or 'how can I contact [insert student here],' it's illegal for me to give out that information, the only exception being that if they say it's an emergency I can transfer them over to the police department. That's probably what Ross would have to do in this case, but if he tells the police his (adult) daughter is missing, he'll have to answer questions, and when she is found the police will get her side of the story, and he probably doesn't want that.
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Post by: BenRG on 05 Aug 2015, 01:13
The point is, why is he even having to ask 'is Joyce Brown a student here'? The Browns would have confirmed it to him if he was still on speaking terms with them. He didn't need to talk to Joyce, only ask Admin to pass to Joyce a message to call him regarding Becky and give them the Browns' telephone number to verify that he is legit. As I say, everything about this suggests that he's been burning bridges, even with those with very similar beliefs to him.

A lot of it can be explained by impatience. Instead of wanting to find Becky and spend the necessary time to persuade her to do as he asks, he clearly wants to go storming in and forcibly drag her off to what is effectively a privately-run prison camp now because he's a man and men act decisively or some other gender identity inadequacy complex delusion.

Yes, I am a male. No, I have no sympathy for my brethren whose sense of masculinity is so weak that their only way of handling it is by becoming violent, macho self-parodies incapable of higher reasoning.
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Post by: 94ssd on 05 Aug 2015, 05:57
The point is, why is he even having to ask 'is Joyce Brown a student here'? The Browns would have confirmed it to him if he was still on speaking terms with them. He didn't need to talk to Joyce, only ask Admin to pass to Joyce a message to call him regarding Becky and give them the Browns' telephone number to verify that he is legit.

Legitimacy means very little in the eyes of FERPA. I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if a person knows their parent's phone number, home address, birthday, and eye color, if they're trying to contact a student they are either going to get transferred directly to university police or I'll eventually have to hang up on them. He could have the Browns pass a message to her, based on this (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/commandments/) phone conversation I think that already happened.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Aug 2015, 06:09
Since he's putting up 'missing persons' pictures and questioning random students in the halls he may have already run into an administrative brick wall. Becky has been at the school for a couple of days now. Coming to see Joyce seems like the most likely thing she would do since they were best friends. And I got the feeling their circle of friends was pretty small. Joyce may have been the only one they couldn't get in contact with, so now Ross has come to see for himself. Or maybe he didn't even think to call administration at all. Either out of mistrust or a desire to handle it himself. I imagine either way a guy wandering around the campus asking where his daughter is may raise a few red flags with what recently happened with Amber's dad showing up and doing the same thing.

I am wondering where exactly they are. The checkerboard floor looks the same as when Dina was following Jacob and Radiah. They then went into the elevator so that Jacob could 'walk her home', with Joyce and Ethan coming out. So is this the ground floor of the co-ed dorms they all live in? The rest of the area seems to be lounge and meeting areas, which makes a little bit of sense to have. But the colleges I've been in the dorms are separate from the lounge and meeting room buildings. Dorms didn't have lounge floors, just entryways that led straight to the dorm halls.

It looked like Ethan and Joyce didn't go outside from the time they came out of the elevator to finding Dina outside the LGBTQ meeting room, which makes me think they're all in the same building. Her walking out and seeing Ross could blow the whole thing open. Even worse is if Ross sees her in the meeting room and jumps to conclusions.

Also, was anyone else amused that today's character tags were just Dina, Ross?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Aug 2015, 06:26
The Hall of Residence most of the main (and secondary) characters live in has a large and grand entrance hall, based on this strip (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/01-move-in-day/lobby/). I agree that they are currently in the entrance hall of that building.

There are a lot of significant time-jumps to factor in here. The Questioning Meeting is taking place at Galasso's, a favoured watering hole for students that is either on or nearby the campus. So, for whatever reason, DMW has skipped over the journeys from and to the Hall of Residence.

Regarding the issue of Amber's dad, I strongly suspect that his actions, combined with what is going to follow in this arc, will lead to IU instituting much more stringent campus security, possibly including locks on the communal entrance doors and CCTV coverage of exterior areas and entrances. This may ultimately make it harder for Amber to operate as Amazi-Girl and may lead to her setting up an box room off-campus as her 'Amazi-Loft' from where to operate.
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Post by: cesium133 on 05 Aug 2015, 06:31
The questioning meeting is taking place in the residence hall, but Galasso has delivered pizza there.
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Post by: KingOfIreland on 05 Aug 2015, 12:37
I'd enjoy this arc more if we hadn't just had the whole parental bad influence thing happen recently.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 05 Aug 2015, 13:56
Dina's thought bubble made me laugh.

"I must save her from herself." is a worrying phrase.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Aug 2015, 14:05
I think we are going to see a different direction of the whole parent/child disagreement thing. Amber's dad isn't just some poorly intentioned but well meaning father. He was a vicious bastard with huge anger management issues intent on criminal kidnap, at the very least. Becky's dad is trying to do what he things, what he was taught, a good, Christian father will do and save his daughter from her wicked and evil ways... He's wrong, but he is I think working from a genuine position of love, which cannot be said of Amber's dad.

As a side thought... I don't think the hospital entrance and ambulance picture is indicative of violent action. I've got a sneaking suspicion that will we wind up a screaming match between Becky and Ross, with the other cast standing by horrified or trying to chime in and Ross winding up collapsing due to stress/heart condition whatever. It's a bit cliche but a valid way for both sides to get past the argument over who gets to control Becky's life and and to an attempted reconciliation.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Aug 2015, 17:44
I'm hoping Dina says nothing before she speaks to Becky.

She's not stupid, and I'm sure she has some memory of Becky's feelings about her father.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Aug 2015, 21:26
Hmm. I have a feeling Dinah is taking Becky's dad to a place that does NOT include Becky. She knows things went badly with bringing Amber's dad in, she had a flashback and everything, and Dinah doesn't seem the type to mechanically make the same mistake so soon.
I'd enjoy this arc more if we hadn't just had the whole parental bad influence thing happen recently.

Dude, I started reading about eight months ago. If I hadn't gone on a two day archive binge, I wouldn't know what you're talking about. It's recent only in comic time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Aug 2015, 23:21
I'm actually quite worried for Dina's safety. If she deliberately leads Ross on a wild goose chase, he might get angry and I've got the feeling he's one of the sort of alleged 'Christians' who think that hurting or even killing someone outside of his ridiculously narrow definition of 'person' is not morally wrong.

It will be a horrible shock for Joyce if she sees someone whom she's probably been assured by her parents is a morally good authority figure unmasked as a barely-controlled violent psychotic. I think that her parents will have a hard time explaining it to her and, if they don't have a good excuse, it could destroy their relationship with her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Aug 2015, 04:32
Would Willis really repeat the plot point of a violent parent, though?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 06 Aug 2015, 04:47
I think this will be more like Walky and Sal's parents. A much less overt "evil" and more realistic parental fuck up.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Aug 2015, 06:47
I think a little more on point.. Becky and Joyce grew up together. I'm sure she's been around Ross a lot in her life time. If he was some barely suppressed rage a holic, she would be well aware of it by now. And Becky surely would have mentioned he was violent and abusive instead of just a controlling fundamentalist patriarch.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 06 Aug 2015, 12:56
Thought: I'm guessing we're supposed to read Dina as thinking, "The last time I let a father in, something bad happened." but I wonder if she might be thinking, "Amber told me about her father and he's awful. Maybe Becky hasn't mentioned her father because he's okay?"

I doubt it, especially based on her expression in the last panel, but it crossed my mind.
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Post by: Kugai on 06 Aug 2015, 16:20
Hooo boy
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Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Aug 2015, 21:41
As I suspected, Dinah's DECIEVING Becky's father! Why do I worry it'll happen that Becky chose this precise moment to go shopping? Or Joyce?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Aug 2015, 23:14
Ross's speech patterns are very strange. I noticed it really from the start; it's more like he's reading pre-written and rigorously-grammar checked policy papers rather than saying what's on his mind. Is it deception? Is he trying to appear reasonable when he is not?

I called that he wouldn't recognise a triceratops. I'm just shocked that he knows what a Pokémon is!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Aug 2015, 05:41
That honestly does not surprise me. There was a bit of a kerfluffle a while back, mostly as a joke but I suspect people like Ross would take it seriously, that Pokemon was evil because it supported evolution. Not that it showed 10 year olds wandering freely around the countryside with no adult supervision capturing wild animals that were also sentient and self aware and forcing them to fight... But because they could evolve in game. Even though evolution that they argued against doesn't work like that. They were offended by the very presence of the word. Becky and Joyce's parents very much seem to fall into that stereotype. Not that it would matter. He'd still think Dina was evil for wearing a dinosaur costume because the Earth is only 6000 years old and the fossil record is a lie told by Satan. So therefore she is a servant of the evil one because you know, science.

As for why it sounds like Ross is reading from some badly written script... Because he is. One of the key things in this kind of fundamentalist, extremist brainwashing is making sure that the people do not question what they are taught. Constant repetition of the stories and lies that make up whatever the cult thinks or is supposed to think and repression of any kind of free will or independent thought. So yeah, when asked their opinion they do pretty much sound like robots just repeating back what they were told because that's exactly what is happening. That's why critical thinking and questioning ideas are the worst things for these kinds of cults.... and therefore considered some of the worst sins by them.
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Post by: Welu on 07 Aug 2015, 12:45
It's interesting reading two people who don't use contractions but they have very different speaking styles.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Aug 2015, 14:30
Neko-Ali, as someone who grew up in a non-fundamentalist household that regularly attends a fairly hardcore fundamental southern Baptist church, I kinda resent you calling fundamentalism a cult.

That said, there's definitely cult-like elements in how certain people adopt the religion. My parents both have rigorous science backgrounds and taught me critical thinking from a young age, and I think that's a part of why we've never quite fit in perfectly at our church. It doesn't leave us marked as horrible, unworthy sinners, it just makes us strange and creates awkward gaps in conversations where we're silent as people wait for us to agree with them.

I absolutely agree with your analysis of why he talks the way he does; I've seen it in my own life. Hell, when I was little, I definitely sounded something like that concerning certain topics. People do it, but it's definitely a trait developed by individuals, not entire churches universally.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Aug 2015, 15:03
I do apologize for causing offense. To clarify I was speaking of those sorts of fundamentalist extremists of the sort that Ross seems to be a part. The ones who thing anything secular or scientific is evil and the work of the devil in a very real and literal sense. That think the earth is a few thousand years old, Pokemon and other cartoons are evil and tools of a regime that is out to get them, personally for being the only ones who really see the Real Truth. Those people are very much cult-like when they aren't a literal cult like the WBC. They rely on brainwashing techniques (even more than the average kid goes through just getting through school and less extremist churches). And leads to family situations like the Duggar household. Basically, really scary shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Aug 2015, 15:21
Ross is one of those whom the old Fremen saying rings true for

Dancing in front of the blind is an effort that goes unseen
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Aug 2015, 06:26
It takes a special sort of writer to turn a TV Tropes article name (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus) into a genuinely funny and plausible moment in their strip.

Nice job DMW!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Aug 2015, 06:44
Sadly, I'm sure Ross will return shortly, as soon as he learns he's been tricked. And probably none to happy about it. At least he's out of the way for a bit so Dina can go warn Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 08 Aug 2015, 07:29
Sadly, I'm sure Ross will return shortly, as soon as he learns he's been tricked. And probably none to happy about it. At least he's out of the way for a bit so Dina can go warn Becky.

Well, not too shortly, since it's a nonstop bus. But enough time for Becky to be warned.
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Post by: Kugai on 08 Aug 2015, 20:21
Rarrr indeed
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 Aug 2015, 20:36
I'm happy with Dinah's solution to the Ross problem. It's not permanent, but it's fun.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Aug 2015, 21:15
At first I was kind of annoyed with Becky but that reaction more or less makes sense.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Aug 2015, 01:05
As much as it is sweet that Becky finds the 'Dino-Girl' cute, I do hope that she can look beyond it, or the whole thing will basically crash-and-burn.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Aug 2015, 05:15
In Becky's defense, it's a fucking triceratops hoodie.

I expect there to be actual talking in tomorrow's strip
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Aug 2015, 14:39
Yup, Becky suffering from Cuteness Overload
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Aug 2015, 23:12
Well, Dina seems to be progressing in leaps and bounds these days! Is this the first time that she used a cuss word in such a way?

DMW did a lot of good work with her body language in this section of the arc so far. She's obviously looking for understanding from Becky but isn't entirely sure that she understands herself, right now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Aug 2015, 08:02
Don't know if I'd callthat a cuss word, but I love that it happened.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Aug 2015, 15:56
It's a combo word, and I think describes him well
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 10 Aug 2015, 16:36
Does that mean it's a bag filled with dicks or a bag made out of dicks?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Aug 2015, 17:03
both.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Aug 2015, 19:32
I've always thought more just like a bag full of mutilated penises. I've always thought it a pretty terrifying image.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Aug 2015, 21:10
Comic's up.

It makes me sad, but honestly, that's probably about right. No way Joyce could stand against butthole dad's bullshit-filled interrogation. I hope a third option is discovered that isn't living under a bridge, and I have a feeling Leslie Bean, teacher lady lesbian, will feature prominently in that. I hope so, anyway.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 10 Aug 2015, 21:12
I'm not sure why it's so impossible that Joyce would stand up to Butthole Dad, considering she stood up to her own parents (about being friends with Dorothy) just a week or two earlier.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Aug 2015, 21:19
It's not impossible. It's just unlikely to the extreme. Joyce wasn't lying to her parents about Dorothy. She was just straining against their religious dogma. With Ross she would have to deal with that. She would have to lie to his face, something she is absolutely horrible at and do so convincingly enough to get him to leave. My money would be her blurting out something within seconds trying to like about Becky's where abouts that lead Ross directly to her. But then again, Ross seems to rate pretty high on the Oblivious Meter. Or at the least he was carrying the Idiot Ball when talking with Dina earlier.

Plus all of that, they have to keep him from talking to any of the many other people who know Becky has been hanging around all weekend, but don't know she ran away and would have no reason to even think of lying to Ross about her being there. Cue comedic, desperate charades behind Ross' back trying to convince people to Ixnay on the Eckybay.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Aug 2015, 23:10
I'm not sure why it's so impossible that Joyce would stand up to Butthole Dad, considering she stood up to her own parents (about being friends with Dorothy) just a week or two earlier.

Becky doesn't know about that.

Besides, in very many ways it is a different thing. Joyce never had to lie to her parents, only firmly declare that she is a moral agent in her own right and that she is capable of acting in tune with her own conscience and in line with her own faith without them leaning over her shoulder and critiquing every move.

Hmm... Maybe that might be the way for Joyce to handle it. Instead of answering Ross's questions, divert and dismiss by going on a counter-attack. Tell him that she has no time for his attempts to 'cure' something that is only wrong in his own mind and that she has no intention of interacting with him until he drops the idea and tells her that he honestly only wants peace with Becky.

It isn't likely that he ever would so it generates a reason for Joyce to refuse to answer his questions or even spend time in his company.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Aug 2015, 05:23
Firstly, sorry for the double-post although they have been separated by a large enough period of time.

I've been thinking a little bit more about Joyce's current dilemma in the strip. I’ve also been thinking again about some of the preview art that DMW has been showing on the Tumblr page.

(click to show/hide)

I would say that Walky and Sal could probably tell Joyce a lot about what horrors can hide behind a supposedly-loving parent’s smile. It will be a hard lesson for her to learn but the time has come to learn it and I think that Sal would be the best to help her do so.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Aug 2015, 05:27
Is the spoiler all related to the actual spoiler or is some of it related to her current dilemma? If he latter, could you split the two?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Aug 2015, 16:49
Joyce may wind up surprising Becky about this.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 11 Aug 2015, 23:10
This might be the most adorable DoA ever.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Aug 2015, 05:43
This might be the most adorable DoA ever.

Very possibly. D'awww, Dinah!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 12 Aug 2015, 09:48
This whole series has been tugging at my heart, but this latest strip especially hit me in the feelings.

It feels like another lifetime, but really it wasn't that long ago that I was in a similar position as Becky, although fortunately I had friends I knew would stick up for me and it was months before I went to college, a rather liberally-oriented college with very nice financial aid people that were able to help me attend without family support. I was also fortunate that my aunt was more than willing to let me go once I had gone, rather than try to chase me down and 'fix' me.

But I know what it feels like to be rejected and threatened with punishment by your own family, and to feel like at any moment you might have nowhere left to go. And that led me into a dark place of self-harm and worse. Becky is fortunate to have Dina to give sympathy via heavy physical contact, and I hope Joyce makes the right decision and stands up for her friend. I probably wouldn't be alive today if not for my friends.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Aug 2015, 15:51
Dina Dawww moment
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Aug 2015, 23:13
*Sigh* Becky is really screwed up, isn't she? Feeling obliged to act the cheerful airhead? Feeling constrained from expressing her sadness? Not really able to tell if Dina is showing affection for her?

This isn't something recent. This isn't just homophobic abuse. Ross has made a piss-poor job of raising an emotionally healthy daughter and both seems ignorant of this and determined to keep doubling down on his mistakes. Mark my words, Becky will have a breakdown eventually and, when it happens, it's going to be a big one.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Aug 2015, 04:57
yeeeahhhh. Let's just say that right now I can identify with Becky so very much....
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 05:54
Poor Becky. Yay for Dinah, who looks to stand as Becky's first  (entirely) emotionally healthy relationship! I'd include Joyce as a healthy relationship, but the 'unrequitted love of Becky's life' angle messed that up for her. I mean, nothing Joyce did wrong, but it definitely adds some kinks to an otherwise solid friendship. Enough to make it less than entirely healthy, just mostly so.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Aug 2015, 06:46
Another factor compounding things with Becky's relationship with Joyce isn't just the unrequited love angle, but the combination of that with Joyce being who Becky came to cling to for survival.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Aug 2015, 14:43
To the Minbari, three is a sacred number




Just saying
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 19:36
Another factor compounding things with Becky's relationship with Joyce isn't just the unrequited love angle, but the combination of that with Joyce being who Becky came to cling to for survival.

Yes that also.

Is it strange that I'm always determined to stay up until 11:02 every night because that's when the comic goes up?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 19:45
Wait, two past? I thought it went up exactly at 11 (central, I'm assuming).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Aug 2015, 19:47
1 past according to his server, 2 past according to my local time sources (which are synced to pool.ntp.org).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 19:51
When I check at 11 precisely, I get the same comic. I figure it's a problem with my own shit internet.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 19:52
Fair enough, I always forget to check, it's the fact that I see a new post in this thread that makes me remember there's a new one every day.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 19:53
All I know is, I check up on it at 11:02, and see no comments. Not even that Jen Aside character.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 19:58
Jen Aside?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 20:27
Jen Aside?

First comment on nearly every DoA strip. To the point most of the times she ISNT first, first comment is about how crazy it is she hasn't commented yet.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 20:37
Oh. Does DoA have a forum or do they just have comments? I mean I don't need another forum, just curious.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 20:48
Oh. Does DoA have a forum or do they just have comments? I mean I don't need another forum, just curious.

Comments. Not on the home page, but when you're reading old strips, they're below
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 20:54
No, I know, I've seen the comments, I was just wondering if that's all they have. I've never read them though, because I don't know if someone's gonna spoil something from another Willis comic. And also because that's what this thread is for.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 21:04
Regarding the new comic, BECKY HAS A GIRLFRIEND
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 21:06
Hot dang!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 21:08
No, I know, I've seen the comments, I was just wondering if that's all they have. I've never read them though, because I don't know if someone's gonna spoil something from another Willis comic. And also because that's what this thread is for.

I don't think so. I come here with my own comments because I know and like here pretty well anyway.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Aug 2015, 21:11
More forums makes things hard.

Also, manly squee
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 21:13
More forums makes things hard.

Also, manly squee

As manly a squee as has ever been squeed. Right there with you, brother.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Aug 2015, 21:14
It's eating beef jerky out of cows it punched itself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 21:19
It's Ron Swanson squeeing. Which, you know, actually happens a lot.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 21:23
It's Ron Swanson squeeing. Which, you know, actually happens a lot.

Nick Offerman has the most amazing giggle. Seriously.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Aug 2015, 21:24
It's eating beef jerky out of cows it punched itself.

Squee so masculine it lives in a house it made by kicking a tree until it cooperated.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 13 Aug 2015, 21:46
The only things in the fridge are whiskey and meat (not fish, it's basically a vegetable) and all the carpets are made out of bear.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 21:47
It's Ron Swanson squeeing. Which, you know, actually happens a lot.

Nick Offerman has the most amazing giggle. Seriously.
Ha, I guess it is more of a giggle than a squee, but yeah, that's what I was referring to.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Aug 2015, 23:00
Poor Becky! I do wonder if Dina knows what she's taken on here; that last panel really does seem to have Becky thinking: "So I get to have a nice thing?" I said it yesterday and I'll say it here: She's really swimming upstream against a whole tidal bore of issues, isn't she?

Dina is quite unexpectedly fierce when she wants to be, isn't she?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 13 Aug 2015, 23:16
I'm not sure if Becky isn't getting a little ahead of herself here with the whole girlfriend thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Aug 2015, 23:23
I have my own suppositions about this matter.  I just hope that if the ship sinks, it'll be pleasant enough that they can remain friends.  They have good chemistry so far.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 23:26
I'm not sure if Becky isn't getting a little ahead of herself here with the whole girlfriend thing.
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Aug 2015, 23:27
I'm not sure if Becky isn't getting a little ahead of herself here with the whole girlfriend thing.

FWIW, I suspect that it will be a learning process for both Becky and Dina. I strongly suspect that neither of them really has the first clue how to be in an adult, intimate relationship of any kind. They're going to make a ton of mistakes, misunderstandings and betrayals all without really meaning it.

That said, I'm confident that they'll come out of the other side more ready to face adult life as a result. This strip is basically all about growing up in a world that is nothing like the way you imagine it should be, after all!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Aug 2015, 23:48
Adult? They're freshmen, adult life is years away!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 14 Aug 2015, 00:24
You sound like adults are supposed to have any idea how to be in an intimate relationship.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 14 Aug 2015, 11:04
I'm 30, have dated several people, and have even been married. I still have no idea how to have an "adult intimate relationship". Does anyone?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Aug 2015, 11:29
I know how when I'm in one but I forgot since I'm not in one.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Aug 2015, 12:44
I'm still trying to figure out how to adult, and mostly failing at that. Any kind of an intimate relationship is mostly unknown to me...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Aug 2015, 16:23
Being an adult is hard work, that's why I gave up on it

Let us hope that Dina is able to assist Becky in an appropriate and helpful manner without matters descending into a chaotic situation
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Aug 2015, 19:15
Bugger.  I either have to stop reading the early comics or stop reading this thread.  Every joke or theory I consider strays too close to verbotenland.

Now that it's safe to say, seems like Becky is showing Dina a few things about the world as well, such as giving Joyce a BSOD.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Aug 2015, 22:36
Bsod? No clue what that means. Is it the thing where she's hilariously horrified and her eyes pop out of her head? Wait. Never mind, I got it. Blue Screen o' Death. God it's been a while since someone mentioned that around me.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Aug 2015, 23:05
Just a reminder that Dina doesn't like Joyce and that the two of them cannot be considered to be in more than an armed truce. This could ultimately leave Becky caught between them and having to make difficult choices.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 14 Aug 2015, 23:22
Or, for those of us who are being more optimistic, since they both care about Becky, even if she doesn't  directly *do* anything to help the process, end up making them to stand down from Cold War levels and end up having a more peaceful existence.  Either that, or she could fund her new place by selling tickets to a Joyce/Dina death match.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Aug 2015, 05:35
Whelp, the Joyce is broken. Someone find the reset switch....

I don't remember Dina saying she doesn't like Joyce, when did that happen? Dina hardly seems the sort to want to cause problems with people... The only one I've seen her say she doesn't like is Radiah.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Aug 2015, 06:00
Joyce is a young earth creationist.

Dina does not like young earth creationists, and outright exploded at Joyce when she tried to interrupt her educating Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 15 Aug 2015, 06:10
Whelp, the Joyce is broken. Someone find the reset switch....

I don't remember Dina saying she doesn't like Joyce, when did that happen? Dina hardly seems the sort to want to cause problems with people... The only one I've seen her say she doesn't like is Radiah.

I don't know if 'dislike' has ever been said, but she's the one person we've seen make Dina angry - http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/02-guess-whos-coming-to-galassos/feathers/

And there's the flu shot stuff - http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/flushots/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Aug 2015, 06:28
Well, Toedad has made Dina angry, too.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 15 Aug 2015, 14:19
Next strip, Dina puts Joyce on a bus.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 15 Aug 2015, 14:33
(http://www.dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/fail/e437b70b6bb1.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 15 Aug 2015, 15:46
I find Joyce's face in the last panel funnier than the main one, but I'm always a fan of side-gags.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Aug 2015, 15:56
'Program is unable to continue due to an error, press 'Esc' to initiate a Restart'
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Aug 2015, 21:52
Oh, Joyce, don't you know, when you look at things all black and white, good and evil like you have forever, you're either a bad influence on people or you're lying to yourself. You can't match every rule, especially not when the people reading the rulebook have forgotten what the teacher listed flat out as rules one and two, 'love the lord your god and love your neighbor as yourself.' You got the first one, good for you, but Dinah's literally your neighbor. That you were raised with an unfounded belief in a young earth does not count as good enough reason to break rule #2.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 15 Aug 2015, 22:47
You know, Joyce, Becky was probably just saying that because she didn't want you dating someone who wasn't her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Aug 2015, 23:41
Yep! Becky isn't over Joyce yet and certainly isn't about to forgive her for having a friend other than her for any reason just yet!

I want to be clear that I don't think that Becky is pursuing Dina out of any childish attempt to get back at Joyce. Dina isn't just a rebound either. No, Becky is in a bad place, emotionally, and she's desperately looking for solid ground. Dina, on the other hand, has encountered someone, possibly for the first time in many years, who has treated her as a person and valued her presence rather than treating her as a slightly alarming neurological anomaly.

My concern is that both Becky and Dina are going into this with different preconceptions, different goals and different ideas about where this could lead. They could end up hurting each other quite badly and that would be sad because neither of them deserve to have their hearts broken in this manner.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Aug 2015, 06:31
Or you know, it could develop into a wonderful friendship and relationship. Who knows? Becky is certainly in need of stability and less judgemental people in her life.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Aug 2015, 07:16
Benergy I get not getting your hopes up but do you always assume the worst about everything? I'm not saying you can't or even shouldn't but it's depressing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Aug 2015, 14:33
It shall be interesting to see where this latest Joyceventure takes us
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Aug 2015, 23:32
Most people would deliver Dina's dialogue in this strip (8/17) in a teasing way. The thing to remember about Dina is she would have delivered it with 100% serious earnestness. Even the last punchline would have been a helpful friend correcting a grammar error, not a wisecrack!

It shall be interesting to see where this latest Joyceventure takes us

I suspect that Joyce is going to have a crisis of confidence in herself as a friend and, possibly, as a Christian (and a 'good person', in her own definition of the phrase). I strongly suspect that she's going to end up talking with Sal, of all people, about this. Sal isn't exactly a nice person in terms of her people skills but I think that Joyce needs to have someone to tell her with a certain degree of brutal frankness that claiming to be good and even acting good isn't the same as being good.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Aug 2015, 07:22
Don't be silly, BenRg, she's making a joke. It's an established fact that Dina doesn't speak much with contractions, and seeing as 'you're,' and 'you are' are grammatically identical, the only way to read that is as a self-aware joke! Also, a joke is the only explanation for her glee-filled expression.

Also, I really want it to be a joke, because I love the idea that Dina's just a total dork
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Aug 2015, 07:48
It was clearly a joke and a call back to earlier in the day when Sarah called her out on not using contractions to avoid answering her questions. Dina may have trouble understanding people's unspoken cues and body language. But she's not a humorless robot.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Aug 2015, 13:42
Keep at it Dina

Either Sarah will be worn down or will attempt some form of reactive verbal violence requiring becky to layeth the smacketh down on her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Aug 2015, 21:25
Woooooooo...except the car was on campus, so if the dad can get back to campus anyway, how does that stop him from causing trouble?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 17 Aug 2015, 22:25
He left by bus, so he'll come back by bus. And now he doesn't have a reliable way of leaving. Yay.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Aug 2015, 23:05
The whole thing is a bit of subtle psychological warfare. He'll come back to the campus, find his car is gone and go to security to report it missing. He'll likely spend the rest of the day trying to complete the necessary paperwork and pay the fine to have it returned from the pound. It's possible that Sarah hopes that the everything about being at Indiana State will be so unpleasant and inconvenient that he'll try some other means to locate Becky that doesn't involve him hanging around this ill-omened place.

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I'd really like to see Dina's "Evil List" and the reason for her rankings therein. I'm assuming that Joyce came in second after Sarah but a sample of only four is statistically useless. I'm betting Raidah is up towards the top of the comprehensive list along with Ross.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Aug 2015, 04:07
The other thing is, given his single-minded pursuit of Becky, I wonder if he's going to say some things that lead someone to call the cops on him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Aug 2015, 09:43
Someone on Tumblr makes reaction images out of DoA faces and they were challenged to make ones of Mike, even though he mostly looks angry. Someone responded by saying he has a normal range of expression if you remove the eyebrows.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/571c001951a2248231e95f4488dcdb80/tumblr_inline_nta9eyyAfV1t7w7eb_250.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/9acebcbb6e136f4f247a52d34bcaafe8/tumblr_inline_nta9fiMKTk1t7w7eb_250.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0ef7e6fcc27b1f6102585a338fdc69f/tumblr_inline_nta9fuYu821t7w7eb_250.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/d7bc34cc4f3586193121cdb98956dfe3/tumblr_inline_nta9gfKvrV1t7w7eb_250.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b42cfd0b79d0cc71bea8fdb3eca10ac9/tumblr_inline_nta9h2IFWW1t7w7eb_250.png)

I find it kind of unnerving.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Aug 2015, 09:48
So Mike is the human version of Grumpy Cat. He's not actually mean all the time, his eyebrows just make him look that way.

(I kid. Mike is a right bastard and proud of it)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Aug 2015, 16:38
Buwahahahahaaaaaaa


I'm sitll waiting for Ross to run into Amazi-Girl
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Aug 2015, 17:36
Would be a kind of crisis of conscious for Amber if she does run into him. Technically speaking the ones wrong as far as rules are concerned here are Becky, Joyce, Sarah and Billie, for letting Becky crash there. It could go technically illegal if the college pushes Becky for trespassing. Ross hasn't done anything wrong or illegal other than having his car towed away. Which wasn't exactly his fault. On the other hand, Amber well knows what an abusive, controlling father is like and could easily go off on Ross once she hears the story. Either way, I'm bringing the popcorn because it's going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Aug 2015, 21:24
I feel sympathy for literally every character in today's comic, and it's confusing me. Totally get Sarah's POV, I've been in similar situations, and Joyce, I've definitely been a dick to people I care about in the heat of the moment. Dinah, I've tried to offer solutions to other peoples' problems, only to have them turn the offer down, and Becky, who hasn't felt helpless against what feels like an inevitable 'bad thing that will definitely happen eventually?'

I appreciate this, point to the thread title, and add a 'bravo,' because damn it, I actually kinda care about every fucking one of these fake people.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Aug 2015, 23:07
Sarah, how would you feel if you'd had the structure of your world-view completely undermined and found your sister-in-all-but-blood threatened by the one person she should be able to trust implicitly? Joyce never had the necessary cynicism and wisdom to confront an emotional crisis like this and she needs human contact right now. Drop your curmudgeonly attitude and just hold on to her until she finds her balance again!

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I've been thinking for a moment and, for some reason, today's strip leaves me hearing Sarah saying to Joyce: "Girl, we are getting you a boyfriend! You need to relax before you snap!" All protests will be waved aside because Sarah knows better (or at least believes she does). This opens up the chance for Willis to have a future chapter called "Joyce Brown's Blind Date" or something similar.

Another thought: Dorothy told Danny that Indiana State is basically a stepping stone to an Ivy League college of some sort. I wonder if Walky realises that a part of Dorothy is planning to run off to take her place in the Elite? It could lead to... issues if he tries to make a public show of commitment. Dorothy might not be ready for it or it might lead to a crisis between her feelings for Walky and her ambitions.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Aug 2015, 05:08
That sounds absurdly out of character for Sarah.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Aug 2015, 06:19
That sounds absurdly out of character for Sarah.

I'm not sure that it is. A lot depends on what Sarah believes will help Joyce the most.

Sarah has said before to Jacob that she's basically surprised about how resilient Joyce is in the face of the slings and arrows of life but there is only so far sheer moral strength can take you. A person needs a support structure and, right now, Joyce has Ethan, Dorothy and Sarah... and that's pretty much it. She's trying to wean herself off of Ethan so turning to him would be counter-productive. There are certain viewpoint dissonances between Dorothy and Joyce that means Dottie isn't always as much help as she could be. Becky, of course, can't support anyone (she is actually worse off, emotionally, than Joyce is), it's pretty clear that Joyce feels constrained from turning to her parents and she really isn't close enough to anyone else despite her general niceness.

The time has come to integrate Joyce into some social circles before the load crushes her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 19 Aug 2015, 13:39
It's not that Sarah doesn't understand, it's just some people are just extremely uncomfortable with this kind of emotional display no matter how sympathetic they are to the person's pain.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 19 Aug 2015, 15:29
Sarah has been against Joyce getting a boyfriend (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/03-men-are-from-beck-women-are-from-clark/penis/) (at least a certain type of one (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/06-yesterday-was-thursday/bridges/)) because it will bring drama to her which she wants to avoid because of the year before.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Aug 2015, 16:50
Hug Warning
Hug Warning
Hug Warning
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Aug 2015, 21:11
Oh, Sarah. You don't need to keep pretending you dislike Joyce. She's growing on you and you know it
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Aug 2015, 23:19
It's somehow typical of Sarah that she makes Joyce's subtlest strengths sound like character flaws!

That said, I really don't think Sarah enjoys being basically the weaker of the two personalities in the dorm room. She especially doesn't like it when the stronger personality has such a crusader-like driven nature.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 19 Aug 2015, 23:30
Thread griping:
Ugh, I'm in a petty mood, so I'm going to come right out and say what I've been thinking: please, for the love of all that is good, spell characters' names correctly. Dina's name is literally in the title of this book. We heavily encourage people to spell Jeph's name correctly, as well as the names of QC characters. I feel like this should apply to this comic/thread too.

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Aug 2015, 02:01
I read an interesting strip of Joyce and Walky!, the sequel of DMW's sci-fi epic It's Walky!, the other day. The now-married Joyce and Walky are lying on their bed and pondering the utterly surreal five to ten years of war, horror, struggle and casual violation of their minds that had led them to the point in their lives where now on the verge of 'happily ever after'. Joyce wondered if, if things had been different, would they have still ended up in the same place? Would have they been together and been happy? DMW then put an advert for Dumbing of Age at the bottom.

I'm thinking that this is exactly what this story sets out to do. Dumbing of Age starts at the same point, with the same room assignments and most of the same relationship arcs as his original strip, Roomies!

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The list of changes and consequences is enormous. I find it implausible that any of the Walkyverse relationships and end outcomes will be mirrored in DoA.

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In very many ways, it seems that Dumbing of Age is the strip DMW originally intended to write before the creative bug that led to the epic that is It's Walky! struck him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 20 Aug 2015, 03:52
How about you put some of these things in spoiler tags? That are some rather big revelations for people who haven't read It's Walky! or Joyce and Walky!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Aug 2015, 05:25
A bit late now, but seriously!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: A Duck on 20 Aug 2015, 15:18
I wonder if there's any chance of Toedad realizing he's being...well, a toe... and accepting Becky.

I mean, we already have ONE completely irredeemable father in Blaine.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 20 Aug 2015, 15:23
I dunno, if Joyce is partly autobiographical, maybe Toedad is based on a friend's father. Not to say that all of the characters are based on people DW knew/knows, but this seems a plausible thing to have happened in the past.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Aug 2015, 16:59
Sarah being nice to Joyce - even if it's in a roundabout way

The world is definitely coming to an end
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Aug 2015, 19:13
this seems a plausible thing to have happened in the past.

God, that's a depressing reality, but I'm not entirely convinced. I could easily picture certain men in my childhood congregation doing exactly the same thing. They very well might not, but it's easy to imagine, with an imperfect vision of these real-life characters. No person to person interaction gives a perfect image, so it's very easily from personal experience without being literally true
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Aug 2015, 23:08
I wonder if Sal is going to try to reinvent herself after today's strip (8/21). After all, she's found our that her rebellious behaviour has become formulaic and predictable enough so that Billie can manipulate her with a high degree of confidence about the outcome! That isn't a particularly pleasant realisation! :lol:

I suspect that Sal is going to be in a fouler-than-usual mood the next day. When Joyce comes up to her and asks her to teach her to lie without a twinge of conscience and indicates that she sees Sal as a subject matter expert, it could easily turn into a major reassessment of her life! Either that or she'll just be really, really grumpy and want to beat up Malaya because she's as good a scapegoat as any.

Poor Sal!  :lol:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 21 Aug 2015, 11:14
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Aug 2015, 14:27
And now Becky will enter her surly, tough punk phase.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Aug 2015, 21:04
I love how Dina words things. Totally get it, about needing time to recharge after a lot of socializing
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Aug 2015, 22:28
She recharges faster than a Sayan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 22 Aug 2015, 01:36
I wish my cellphone would recharge that fast.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Aug 2015, 07:19
I wish I could get the time to recharge. The trouble with living with people is you rarely get to be actually alone. But yeah, for someone introverted like Dina is, even just being around people can be exhausting. Having to interact with them, plus the stress of Toedad...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Aug 2015, 22:38
Danny, that is the correct answer. If your answer were any form of negative, you would be an idiot.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Aug 2015, 00:42
I think that the thing Amber really likes about her relationship with Danny isn't the sex, it's the comfort. To be held by someone who loves and accepts her. To be in contact with someone who doesn't want anything but to be with her. I think that's something new for her. It was what she was looking for with Ethan but Danny is the guy who has actually made it happen for her.

As for Becky and Dina, I suspect that they will be in this high-school sweethearts 'holding hands and kissing' stage for quite a while. Neither are emotionally ready to go any further. I think that, if they do go further, it will be a huge watershed for them both.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Aug 2015, 08:23
Why should they go further?

Please don't answer that. I really don't think we should go down that road with these two.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 23 Aug 2015, 10:08
They should... cuddle and look at pictures of dinosaurs?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Aug 2015, 10:47
Everyone should!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 23 Aug 2015, 13:15
If they want to be extreme, they would probably look at pictures of birds.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 23 Aug 2015, 13:16
Birds are a type of dinosaur, so...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Aug 2015, 15:06
So they're birds of a feather then?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Aug 2015, 15:57
So they're birds of a feather then?

Well, holding hands DOES sometimes lead to flocking together, so maybe? It's yet to be seen
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 24 Aug 2015, 07:20
Ha, creationism... that's why this comic was funny, if you didn't get it I just told you why it's funny.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 24 Aug 2015, 11:29
I laughed hard at this one. Poor Becky's brain just exploded.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 24 Aug 2015, 11:31
Just the previous night, she seemed okay with dinosaurs living millions of years ago, though.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 24 Aug 2015, 11:35
I imagine she was speaking without thinking because she was more interested in talking to Dina. This time she actually processed it. It would also be easier to dismiss something huge like a million years of dinosaurs but something comparatively small like a few thousand and something familiar could be easier to comprehend.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Aug 2015, 14:16
A shocking revelation
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Aug 2015, 05:23
Okay, today's comic is straight up adorable. I have a feeling Dina's got more dino hats and hoodies and this is how she will claim Becky as her own.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 26 Aug 2015, 05:51
Look at the lovely plumage! It explains why Dina made a sudden change in her usual mode of dress on this particular day.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Aug 2015, 17:22
So, Becky likes Dinas Plumage   :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 26 Aug 2015, 19:20
Figures. Everyone likes the bigger plumages.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2015, 19:27
Okay, today's comic is straight up adorable.
Right? This whole arc has made "this is the cutest comic yet" meaningless since the next day usually outdoes it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Aug 2015, 21:21
D'aww. That was a funny.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 26 Aug 2015, 23:07
Hehehe YOU WILL KISS ME!

This is now my favorite DoA ever.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Aug 2015, 23:22
Now we find if Becky is able to handle being in a relationship with a strong, assertive personality.

I know that DMW wrote this to be cute and funny. However, I can't shake the fear that Dina, totally without meaning to, will end up harmfully dominating Becky just because Becky is used to submitting and suppressing her own desires to please strong personalities.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Aug 2015, 04:57
Now we find if Becky is able to handle being in a relationship with a strong, assertive personality.

I know that DMW wrote this to be cute and funny. However, I can't shake the fear that Dina, totally without meaning to, will end up harmfully dominating Becky just because Becky is used to submitting and suppressing her own desires to please strong personalities.

BenRG you will stop that this instant. Stop trying to imply Dina is entirely ignorant of others' pain. We have seen no evidence of this, and she has shown the capacity to recognize and avoid patterns that have, in the past, lead to others being hurt.Willis is trying to be cute and funny, and it's WORKING, dammit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 27 Aug 2015, 08:23
At first I didn't notice the subtle highlighting changes in Dina's eyes. Nice job, Willis.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Aug 2015, 14:14
Put a sock in it BenRG, you're starting to piss people off - even a reasonably tolerant guy like me.


This is where the fun begins


And will it be his next Slipshine Comic??
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Aug 2015, 14:32
Put a sock in it BenRG, you're starting to piss people off - even a reasonably tolerant guy like me.

Well, given that I'm not even sure what I've said was wrong...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Aug 2015, 14:41
Benergy, you always see the potential downside to everything. I do think people are being a little harsh, but it is a buzzkill. This is Willis, he doesn't need your help to bum us out in the end. So let us have this happy arc while it's still happy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Aug 2015, 16:59
Put a sock in it BenRG, you're starting to piss people off - even a reasonably tolerant guy like me.

Well, given that I'm not even sure what I've said was wrong...

That's not your call to make on this forum, with all due respect. Especially if others are uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 27 Aug 2015, 21:07
Because you've taken tbe nervousness that anyone experiencing a first kiss feels and made the Herculean leap that based on that she's going to hurt Becky, despite how 100% out of character that would. An assumption that from an outside perspective it seems like you made because of Dina's lack of social development.

As a writer, it would upset me if people were just constantly making up horrible futures for my characters instead of letting my story develop how I want it to.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Aug 2015, 22:03
MOVING AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE TODAY'S COMIC IS UP AND MY OPINION IS VOICED

New comic is up,
And just like that, DMW has transported me back to my own thoughts the night of my first kiss. (Except for the 'three days' thing)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Aug 2015, 22:07
I am still counting on the belief that tomorrow morning, Becky will emerge dressed in the frills and horns of another one of Dina's (presumably numerous) dinosaur hoodies. Because oh my god, the adorable. I'm in absolute favor of a lesbian dinosaur couple being an existing thing in the modern media landscape
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 27 Aug 2015, 22:19
dinobians... lesasaurs... I like the ring to it. Maybe I just like mash-ups too much, but lesasaur sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Aug 2015, 22:33
Dina + Becky is Binky, yes?

I wanna see a Binkysaur.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Aug 2015, 22:35
Pair of wild Binkysaurs wandering campus... Yass, pls
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 27 Aug 2015, 22:56
I am still counting on the belief that tomorrow morning, Becky will emerge dressed in the frills and horns of another one of Dina's (presumably numerous) dinosaur hoodies. Because oh my god, the adorable. I'm in absolute favor of a lesbian dinosaur couple being an existing thing in the modern media landscape

I WANT TO SEE THAT
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Aug 2015, 23:32
Okay, technical people - I think Becky needs to know this. How do you reboot a human brain? Is there a recessed button somewhere that you have to push with a pin or something?

This is odd - Several people have mentioned this on the actual strip's comment thread. Why does Dina suddenly not know how this 'kiss' thing is done when she initiated with Becky during the party? The only explanation that I can come up with is that she was so angry with Sarah and Joyce that she acted without thinking (itself probably quite a new experience for her). Now she's acting deliberately she's feeling a bit less certain of herself.

I am still counting on the belief that tomorrow morning, Becky will emerge dressed in the frills and horns of another one of Dina's (presumably numerous) dinosaur hoodies.

FWIW, the only reason that I think that's unlikely is because... well, spoilers. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Aug 2015, 07:34
Dina is freaking out over 'how' to do kiss because that's what she does. She doesn't understand things on an instinctual level, she tries to analyze everything logically. Kissing Becky the night before was spontaneous and very out of character. She did without thinking in a spur of frustration and attraction. And besides that I think everyone's first kiss is a bit of confusion of the how and why and whens.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Aug 2015, 14:07
FWIW, the only reason that I think that's unlikely is because... well, spoilers. I'll leave it at that.
Consarn it Benergy, I'm not even sure what you spoiled, but I'm pretty sure you just spoiled something.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Aug 2015, 14:51
Of all the things to worry about ...........
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 28 Aug 2015, 15:25
FWIW, the only reason that I think that's unlikely is because... well, spoilers. I'll leave it at that.

I'm not sure what you thought to gain out of saying that other than ruining the suspense and enjoyment for other readers.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 28 Aug 2015, 16:56
I don't really feel comfortable with everyone assuming Dina's a lesbian because of this. :/ She can still be asexual and have romantic feelings for people. I'm not saying she IS asexual, but it sure seems that way, based on her own comments (including something about "disinterest" or a similar word).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Aug 2015, 21:13
Comic.

Sorry Lolibutt, but I can't help my first response being that they're gay. I understand that homoromanticism is a thing that can exist within asexuality, but with asexuality being a fraction of the population and same-sex romanticism also being a fraction, I feel like we're talking about a fraction within a fraction. I know people like that exist, but I don't know if I think Dina's necessarily one of them.  I feel they're going to be CALLED a lesbian couple in the near future, but it remains to be seen if Dina connects to that. That's when I'll be certain. I'll call her what ever she calls herself, and in the meantime, I'm just applying Occam's razor.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Aug 2015, 21:18
Most of Dina's thoughts that point to asexuality, at least the ones I remember, always felt like they could be situational. I say that because I've thought them myself, and I'm most definitely not asexual, just very specifically not attracted to the majority of personality-types. But, like I said, we don't have the word of god on this, or anything definitive in-comic, so we can only blabber on with our personal takes. Sorry if I made you uncomfortable, Lollibutt, I didn't think too much about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 28 Aug 2015, 23:42
Thank you--I appreciate that. I definitely get where you're coming from. :) I'm on the asexual spectrum, and well... we see a lot of asexual erasure. Dina hasn't stated what she is, so assuming that she's a lesbian after her first homoromantic kiss just seems like a leap in logic. It's not an unreasonable leap, of course, but it's a leap enough that I noticed it, you know? And a LOT of people on the comment sections of the actual comic are jumping to the same conclusion, so I guess it's been becoming a bit of a sore spot for me. :/

I think she could possibly be bi as well. I haven't seen anything of her that implies she'd never be attracted to men. But that's just me!

I think she dated some dudes in the older continuities, but I know very little about them outside of Shortpacked!'s version. I'm not spoilering this because she's almost not in Shortpacked!, and I have no idea if my memory of some random strips I've seen of the other comics is correct. If someone wants to point them out, then they can spoiler them at their own discretion. :)

I agree that they'll probably be referred to as a lesbian couple, because it's a typical shorthand for two women in a relationship.

With all the bi and ace erasure, I wish it weren't that way.

I don't know. I'm tired. But today's strip is FREAKING CUTE. That is all.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 29 Aug 2015, 01:13
Too adorkable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Aug 2015, 07:22
Well, Dina's said she is 'unsure if gender expression matters' to her. She's very much just figuring things out. I don't think she's felt any kind of attraction to anyone but Becky before. In fact she's expressed nothing but confusion and vague clinical interest until now. So best just to let Dina decide what labels, if any, feel right to her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Aug 2015, 08:57
I think it is a mistake to read too much into what the various characters did in the Walkyverse timeline. Their backgrounds tend to be different and they have also had radically different experiences (often quite traumatic ones) over a number of years. That necessarily will lead to radically different life-choices and needs.

DoA Dina is what she is in a universe where the aliens and the extra-universal humans had not started intervening in history when the main characters' parents were all still mostly teenagers.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Aug 2015, 09:25
While her experiences and actions in other universes do not directly impact this iteration of her, Willis has stated that all characters retain their orientation across the multiverse.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 29 Aug 2015, 10:40
That said...

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Aug 2015, 12:07
While her experiences and actions in other universes do not directly impact this iteration of her, Willis has stated that all characters retain their orientation across the multiverse.
I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I'm concerned, anything is possible if it hasn't been contradicted by in-DoA stuff.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Aug 2015, 12:29
One is still of their particular orientation regardless of whether or not they have engaged in behavior that reflects it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Aug 2015, 12:31
Well, maybe. But I don't want to get into the whole Death of the Author/Word of God bullshit again.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 Aug 2015, 12:34
One is still of their particular orientation regardless if whether or not they have engaged in behavior that reflects it.

Amen to that.

A bi person in a heterosexual relationship, or has only been IN heterosexual relationships is no less bi. This is what Lollibutt was talking about with bi and ace erasure.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Aug 2015, 16:20
Triceracute
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Aug 2015, 16:07
Hmmmmmm

I wonder how this will play out.  Becky shoulda stayed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Aug 2015, 16:27
No, I think it was ok that she left. Dina doesn't seem to mind :)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Aug 2015, 19:54
No, I think it was ok that she left. Dina doesn't seem to mind :)

Dina is sleep. I think it's cool, though. Might be what keeps Dina from presenting her with her very own frilly-dino-hoodie, though
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Aug 2015, 01:16
This is something that I have noticed about the character of Joyce: She's actually self-destructively optimistic. I'll explain what I mean. She'll repeatedly do things that have previously gone badly for her because she honestly thinks that good intentions and a pure heart somehow make up for ignoring other people's clearly-expressed wishes or previous bad reactions.

It's sort of funny that Becky and Joyce are alike in so many ways: They're both bubbly, friendly and (as pointed out above) over-optimistic to a nearly-dangerous level. I also think that Sal has them to thank for being on time for classes this morning.

Still, it probably says a lot about how much a living hell was that boarding school Sal went to that her first instinct, upon awaking and finding someone leaning over her, is to attack.

So, anyone else who thinks that this chapter, "To Those Who'd Ground Me" is going at least in part going to be Sal focus?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 31 Aug 2015, 05:13

Still, it probably says a lot about how much a living hell was that boarding school Sal went to that her first instinct, upon awaking and finding someone leaning over her, is to attack.


Or it just says she values her sleep snd she wants the people who disturb her to pay the price. That's my theory, because I'd do about the same thing
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Aug 2015, 05:17
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/aoz8kgx8pzknypz7z38n.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Aug 2015, 07:53
I'm really thinking about the chapter title here: "To Those Who'd Ground Me".

There are basically two definitions for 'Ground' that I think are potentially relevant:
One strip in, naturally, we'd all be guessing. But I'm thinking that there are basically two directions in which this chapter could go. The first possibility is that we're going to see Sal showing how she's fought back from her parents' attempt to mould her, for good and for ill. It's going to be showing her basically standing proud and shouting: "Look at me! Despite you, this is who I am and I'm proud of it!"

Secondly, it could be Sal being left at a bit of a loose end as a result of Marcie and Malaya dating. As a consequence, she takes more interest in her brother's life and the activities of her neighbours. This is convenient for Joyce as she really, really needs the advice of a more worldly-wise person to help her confront the challenges coming in her life. Thus, the chapter is about Sal's growing awareness of the importance of her friends in helping a very lonely and very badly hurt young woman find a balance point in her life.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Aug 2015, 23:22
Today's strip (9/1) is a hilarious insight into Joyce and Becky's nature. They're so cheerful, so optimistic, so friendly and so utterly nice that it is like being around Pinkie Pie all the time! They're like two sunshine and sugar generators permanently set on 'maximum'! No wonder poor Sal hasn't even tried to open her eyes in the morning; dealing with that must be hard!

A question for fellow readers: Do you think that Sal is wearing a shirt to bed because she feels less at ease with Becky than she did with Billie (she has known Billie since childhood, after all) or is this a continuity error?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 01 Sep 2015, 00:07
Isn't there a third interpretation of "To Those Who'd Ground Me"?

Ground is also a form of "grind". So could it be "To Those Who Had Ground Me"?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 01 Sep 2015, 08:11
That's true.

But as someone who has seen Wicked three times, here's the literal interpretation of the phrase:
"To those who'd ground me" is one of the last lines in "Defying Gravity," the song where Elphaba (the Wicked Witch of the West) accepts that she's different and is okay with being seen as evil. She raises up off the stage close to the end of the song and sings:

"So if you care to find me
Look to the western sky!
As someone told me lately:
'Everyone deserves the chance to fly!'
And if I'm flying solo
At least I'm flying free
To those who'd ground me
Take a message back from me
Tell them how I am
Defying gravity
I'm flying high
Defying gravity
And soon I'll match them in renown!
And nobody in all of Oz
No Wizard that there is or was
Is ever gonna bring me down!
"

Read more: Wicked - Defying Gravity Lyrics | MetroLyrics
http://www.metrolyrics.com/defying-gravity-lyrics-wicked.html

Obviously, the DoA crowd can't literally fly, but if I were to go with a strict interpretation of the lyrics in context of the story, I would say it's about Becky trying to spread her wings and not letting Toe Dad bring her down. That's just me, though!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Sep 2015, 09:09
Well, we can't be certain that they can't fly :parrot:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Sep 2015, 09:11
Amazi-Squirrel can.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 Sep 2015, 12:07
Well, we can't be certain that they can't fly :parrot:

I think Sal is tempted to try that experiment right now. They live on the 3rd or 4th floor I think?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Sep 2015, 20:18
You have awakened the Dragon
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Sep 2015, 21:06
Didn't take Becky long to grok Walky's essence, now did it
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Sep 2015, 23:15
I wonder if Sal knows that Joyce has imprinted on her as the template for female beauty?

[edit]
Maybe this is just me. Am I the only one who thinks that Joyce brushing out Sal's hair with an air of devoted focus would be a memory for Becky's "fevered fantasy" file?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Sep 2015, 05:17
Walky and I have this in common.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Sep 2015, 15:47
So, Joyce is about to become Sal's slave eh?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Sep 2015, 21:28
Come on Becky it has JUST been established that Sal can't do anything while she is in class with Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Sep 2015, 22:57
For some reason, I've got a mental image of thirteen-year-old Joyce and Becky sitting on Joyce's bed after lessons and making up not-rude rude names for Ross and giggling like the teenagers they are. What I'm saying is that the current breach between Becky and Ross has had its roots a long way back. I don't think that he ever tried to give his daughter reason to love him and the consequence is that, despite their fundamentalist upbringing, Joyce and Becky never really respected him.

Joyce, seriously? Find Dorothy and make peace; it isn't that hard. Besides, given the strength of Billie's hooch, the likelihood is that she won't even remember the party.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Sep 2015, 21:09
I welcome the return of Dina Classic, though I'm surprised Becky knows it to be classic, seeing as she's only been in town a handful of days.

I also support smooches.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Sep 2015, 21:44
Joyce ultimately wants her friend to be happy :)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Sep 2015, 22:10
This is true. I'm surprised she is so chill about it.. she wasn't so much the idea yesterday. Now it's happening right next to her, even if she isn't looking at the smooches.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Sep 2015, 22:56
This is true. I'm surprised she is so chill about it.. she wasn't so much the idea yesterday. Now it's happening right next to her, even if she isn't looking at the smooches.

Well, the simple fact is that Becky and Dina kissing in the last panel doesn't exactly fit into anyone's definition of 'sapphic erotica'. They're more like a couple of cute high-schoolers. So, yeah, I think it's fairly easy for Joyce to pigeon-hole it as 'cute and affectionate' and not confront the sexual element of it (such as there is).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Sep 2015, 14:12
It shall be interesting to see if this leads to anything further or whether this will be the sum total of Dina and Becky's relationship for the next few comics
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 04 Sep 2015, 21:43
Holy fuck I wish I had Dina's parents.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 04 Sep 2015, 22:12
I love Joyce's expression in the last panel.   :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 04 Sep 2015, 22:14
Holy fuck I wish I had Dina's parents.

My mom gives me money to take girls out sometimes. It's pretty neat.

Though, seeing as I'm strait, I'm not sure she'd do the same if I were dating a guy.... still awesome though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Sep 2015, 05:23
I can see why her parents would be absolutely thrilled that Dina is not only interacting with people more but is dating as well. And I'm glad Joyce could see a good reaction of parents finding out their kid is happy (with their own happiness and approval, not the money itself).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Sep 2015, 05:26
I like this result. I like Becky's response towards Dina's having $200 date money. I do not like Long John Silver's, I'm just amused that it's Becky's go-to 'nice' restaurant
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: explicit on 05 Sep 2015, 10:46
What's a bad restaurant to her?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 05 Sep 2015, 10:51
Arby's?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 05 Sep 2015, 13:37
Hopefully it's not Galasso's Pizza (and Subs). He would destroy her for such an insult.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Sep 2015, 15:51
Nice, understanding parents with a special fund for Dina to reward her whenever she does something 'Socially Nomal'

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 05 Sep 2015, 17:03
Holy fuck I wish I had Dina's parents.

My mom gives me money to take girls out sometimes. It's pretty neat.


My aunt might give me money to take a girl out with enough convincing, because she's squarely in the 'doesn't understand bisexuality' camp.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Sep 2015, 04:58
Today's strip (9/6) makes me shiver a little. I can't imagine what it must be like for Billie; checking every morning to see if Ruth may have contrived some way to kill herself overnight or if maybe her abused body had finally given out on her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 06 Sep 2015, 05:09
I had a quite similar reaction on Fri night..  It was even sadder when I saw the Patreon comments, which weren't mean or anything, but just highlighting the depressingness of their whole situation… and the seeming inevitability. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Sep 2015, 09:41
Ugh can we never see Billie and Ruth again please? I know this is Willis and Willis likes to GLOOM AND DOOM but damn it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Sep 2015, 10:08
I feel like not seeing either of them again would basically confirm death by mutual lesbian suicide pact. I have mixed feelings towards their occasional reappearance.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Sep 2015, 13:04
Good news for Billie then
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 06 Sep 2015, 13:37
I really like and empathise with Ruth and Billie. They make each other happy in a twisted, unhealthy way so I want to see them both happy and improving. Although I think we're a while from any improvement yet.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Sep 2015, 19:36
I really like and empathise with Ruth and Billie. They make each other happy in a twisted, unhealthy way so I want to see them both happy and improving. Although I think we're a while from any improvement yet.

This is why I'm happy to see them. It means they're alive and inching towards healing.
 
I've been to the point of suicidal idealations. I came back. I want these two to come back.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Sep 2015, 23:23
The one thing I really like about the dynamic between Joyce and Walky in Dumbing of Age is the fact that the two of them have the lamest lines in taunts. I'm sure that they're trying to annoy each other but it's only the realisation that the other party is trying to be annoying that really causes annoyance. Thee is no intrinsic insult in it!

Meanwhile, the last time we saw Mike, he was being weirded out by Becky telling him that he was invited to Joyce's party so long as he wasn't mean. I wonder if he is still thinking about how strange that moment was?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Sep 2015, 16:13
DUCT TAPE!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Sep 2015, 23:17
So, Joyce is a shipfic generator? Well, it's a harmless enough pass-time so long as she keeps it to herself. If, on  the other hand, she decides that it's her 'mission' to make what her analysis indicates is the optimal ship happen for all her friends and associates? Well, that way chaos lies.

[edit]
By the way, I'm beginning to wonder if the person who is being grounded by everyone else is Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 Sep 2015, 05:23
Chaos lies.

oof, I bend the truth one time, and this is the response I get?

Anyway, I think you're right, we still have no idea who's being grounded
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Sep 2015, 15:53
New Progam Installed.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 Sep 2015, 20:57
It occurs now as I wait for the new comic, that, BenRG, what you use as argument that Joyce is a 'shipfic generator' is pretty literally something Willis has had to do in creating this comic. Some pairings, he wouldn't have considered long, but writing this kind of thing, you do have to consider every possible outcome
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 08 Sep 2015, 21:06
My god. I have two thoughts.

One, Walky is a genius. Everything he has said here is pure, gleaming gold. I have a new life ambition.

Two, I love Joyce's panicked face. That is perfect.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Sep 2015, 21:09
If I thought Walky was capable of malice I'd kind of hate him for what he said to Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 08 Sep 2015, 21:14
Walky is demonstrably capable of "clueless", or tactless, however.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Sep 2015, 21:27
Well yeah, clearly. But not malice.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Sep 2015, 23:32
If I thought Walky was capable of malice I'd kind of hate him for what he said to Joyce.

I've mentioned before that Joyce is a romantic. I'm pretty sure that she expected to go to college, meet Mr Right pretty much immediately and not have to worry about adult life because being 'wife' and 'mother' would fill it all. Things don't seem to be working out that way. Walky (as a stand-in for Willis himself, in my view) may have done Joyce an inestimable service by telling her not to have a back-up plan for the future just in case finding said 'Mr Right' takes longer than she expected.

FWIW - I wonder if she's trying to follow her mother's example. Hank and Carol Brown seem to have met at the same college, after all...

FWIW2 - I think that Joyce would make a good kindergarten/elementary school teacher. She's got that patient and optimistic persistence needed to get through to hyperactive young minds.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 09 Sep 2015, 02:21
If I thought Walky was capable of malice I'd kind of hate him for what he said to Joyce.
In my opinion, what Joyce said in the last comic is just as tactless. Besides that, Walky is right.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 05:18
If anything, Joyce was far more mean.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Sep 2015, 07:48
The Official Timeline of Dumbing of Age (to date):

As posted on Willis's Tumblr (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/128708647907/rocktavian-updated-doa-timeline-ahoy-1-3-men)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Sep 2015, 14:19
So, why aren't these two married yet?    :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 14:31
...Walky and Joyce? Where the hell would you get that idea? :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 09 Sep 2015, 14:54
http://www.joyceandwalky.com/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 14:55
Hahahahaha what. There's a comic with them married in it? Is that a spoiler or is that the very premise?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Sep 2015, 14:57
It's the very premise.

You could argue that the comic's existence is a spoiler for previous comics set in the Walkyverse, but...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 15:02
I really know pretty much nothing about any non-DoA Willis comics. (Is DoA part of the "Walkyverse"? Walky's in it but he's not the main character.)

Edit: Oh wait, is that several comics with one continuity? Interesting. I went back to the beginning, I guess that's pre-Joyce and Walky?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Sep 2015, 15:19
Edit: Oh wait, is that several comics with one continuity? Interesting. I went back to the beginning, I guess that's pre-Joyce and Walky?

Yes, in essence. It starts about 12-14 years pre-"It's Pregnancy" and... Well, all I can say is be ready for a ride that is about as different, conceptually, from DoA as you can get.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 15:22
Yeah, I read a few into it and...1997 Joyce is different. Very different. Also I guess "it's pregnancy" is vague enough but why would you spoil something that big.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 09 Sep 2015, 15:24
Here's why (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForTheEvulz)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Sep 2015, 15:25
It isn't one continuity. Willis has done several series that are in separate continuities, but with the same characters. Wildly different circumstances and rules. DoA doesn't have aliens or super powers in it. Monkey Master and Head Alien are just a cartoon, not the series villains. There is nothing saying that Joyce and Walky are fated to be together in DoA.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Sep 2015, 15:28
Basically, there's two continuities that Willis has written.

The Walkyverse is the first continuity, consisting of Roomies!, It's Walky!, Joyce and Walky!, Shortpacked! (which is... IIRC concurrent to Joyce and Walky!?), and now It's Pregnancy!

Then, there's Dumbing of Age, with the characters from the first continuity transplanted into a new continuity.

Also, when the title is a spoiler, is there really any way to avoid spoiling?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Sep 2015, 15:35
Actually, my comment was meant to be a bit of sarcastic humour.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 15:37
It isn't one continuity. Willis has done several series that are in separate continuities, but with the same characters. Wildly different circumstances and rules. DoA doesn't have aliens or super powers in it. Monkey Master and Head Alien are just a cartoon, not the series villains. There is nothing saying that Joyce and Walky are fated to be together in DoA.
Sorry, I meant are the three comics that are mentioned on joyceandwalky.com in the same continuity? I know DoA's separate.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Sep 2015, 15:41
It isn't one continuity. Willis has done several series that are in separate continuities, but with the same characters. Wildly different circumstances and rules. DoA doesn't have aliens or super powers in it. Monkey Master and Head Alien are just a cartoon, not the series villains. There is nothing saying that Joyce and Walky are fated to be together in DoA.
Sorry, I meant are the three comics that are mentioned on joyceandwalky.com in the same continuity? I know DoA's separate.

It looks like, by what bhtooefr said. I knew Roomies, It's walky and Joyce and Walky were. I thought Shortpacked was different but I guess not.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 15:43
Yeah, those three. It looks like I can read Roomies, It's Walky and J&W in one stretch. I have no idea when to start Shortpacked if at all. Is that also with the same characters? Yeesh.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Sep 2015, 15:43
He really, really likes those characters...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 09 Sep 2015, 16:16
I want to say that Shortpacked and J&W are set simultaneously, but look at different subsets of the characters? (As in, IIRC, some characters from Roomies and It's Walky disappear from J&W, but they continue in Shortpacked.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 16:56
Will I be confused if I read all of Roomies then IW then J&W and THEN Shortpacked?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 18:15
So I was a few strips into Roomies and it was December in real life and apparently time actually moves. Weird.

Edit: Wait, he stopped writing for four months? Whaaaaaaaaa?

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING. Now I know why people say "damn you, Willis" :(
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Sep 2015, 19:51
So I was a few strips into Roomies and it was December in real life and apparently time actually moves. Weird.

Edit: Wait, he stopped writing for four months? Whaaaaaaaaa?

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING. Now I know why people say "damn you, Willis" :(

I'm sorry, but I love this record of response. Good show, sir
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Sep 2015, 20:01
Message me on Facebook and I'll keep you updated as I read.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Sep 2015, 23:12
I never thought that the day would come when I actually felt sorry for Mike. However, I think that I would be a bit annoyed too if two of my classmates had been getting into ever-louder, more aggravated and personal arguments about shipping and life-goals behind me as I was walking to class.

Sal, I've got some bad news for you: That's normal behaviour for Becky and I think she's infected Dina.

Edit: WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING. Now I know why people say "damn you, Willis" :(

In my defence, I did try to warn you as best as I could without spoilers!

[edit]
Okay, just an additional thought. For the previous two strips, I have been getting a real Hermione Granger vibe from Joyce. The way she's been arguing with Walky really puts me in mind how some fan-authors portray Hermione's interminable arguments with Ron Weasley.

When you think about it, Joyce's brown hair and uptight attitude only makes the comparison stronger! Emma Watson to play Joyce in DoA the Movie? :wink:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Sep 2015, 15:04
Jurassic Cute
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Sep 2015, 23:27
I'm thinking that, when Joyce finally gets the courage to face Dorothy, Dorothy won't know what she's supposed to be mad at Joyce about and Joyce will have a hysterical breakdown. This will lead to... other things in terms of Joyce character development.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2015, 05:02
Wait, Walky was drunk at the party too, why is Joyce only mad at Dorothy?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Sep 2015, 05:18
Wait, Walky was drunk at the party too, why is Joyce only mad at Dorothy?

Joyce isn't mad at Dorothy; she's afraid that Dorothy is mad at her and is afraid to confront her about it. Walky revealed to Joyce that Dorothy knew Ethan was gay and that Joyce was helping him hide it. Joyce also has a huge guilt complex going about misinterpreting Ethan's desire to hide his homosexuality as a desire to have that 'fixed'. Although Joyce didn't actually do anything except pretend to be Ethan's girlfriend (in the hope that he would turn out to be her 'Mr Right' and that his love for her would lead to a fairytale ending).

Overall, she's terrified that, when she next sees Dorothy, her closest friend won't want anything to do with her anymore.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2015, 06:55
Is there any indication that this is true?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Sep 2015, 07:09
Is there any indication that this is true?

Not that I've seen. I think that it's just Joyce's guilty conscience over the whole Ethan fiasco playing with her head.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 11 Sep 2015, 08:05
Sarah outright told Joyce that she'd lose Dorothy if she ever found out about Ethan being gay, though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Sep 2015, 08:14
Sarah isn't exactly the best person to listen to when it comes to interpersonal relationships. She spends most of her time trying to push people away.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 11 Sep 2015, 08:15
Sarah outright told Joyce that she'd lose Dorothy if she ever found out about Ethan being gay, though.

Dorothy knows he's gay. She doesn't know Joyce knows, though, and that's what Joyce is afraid she'll find out.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 11 Sep 2015, 08:54
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/lose/

That's the comic, by the way.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Sep 2015, 09:30
Joyce has given up the idea of trying to 'fix' Ethan being gay though. And it's not like she's been panicking all this time about Dorothy finding out. Which makes me think that her avoiding Dorothy has to do with the party.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Sep 2015, 14:16
Somehow, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2015, 14:23
Bahahahaha, I forgot about the one after the linked one.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 11 Sep 2015, 22:09
Today's comments section contains some huge spoilers about the Walkyverse.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Sep 2015, 22:18
The look on Joyce's face in the last panel makes me think she's going to take Mike's suggestion, and tell the truth to Tow Dad -- but in a confrontational way that makes it clear Becky isn't going with him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Sep 2015, 22:19
Today's comments section contains some huge spoilers about the Walkyverse.
Luckily I don't look at the comments (I have this thread, after all) but wow, that's super shitty of today's commenters!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Sep 2015, 06:00
So, does Mike just want to be part of the havoc or does he really want to help Joyce? Inquiring minds wonder and I will add that Joyce/Mike is a known favourite ship amongst Willis's long-term followers.

Today's comments section contains some huge spoilers about the Walkyverse.

Luckily I don't look at the comments (I have this thread, after all) but wow, that's super shitty of today's commenters!

Be a little more understanding. Most of them started with Willis way back in 2000, when Roomies first started. When you have a thriving long-term community like his who already know the story of a comic on another URL, spoiler control is nearly impossible!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 12 Sep 2015, 06:38
Basically, the statute of limitations on Walkyverse spoilers is over.

Also, Soylent Green is people, Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father, etc., etc.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 12 Sep 2015, 06:42
Yeah, it's like not expecting anyone to mention a Breaking Bad or Sopranos spoiler. Once the show's been over for a while, it's fair game.

So, Walt kills Mike*, and I never watched the Sopranos so I can't give a spoiler on that, but I don't care if someone does.

* I accidentally typed this initially as Walky kills Mike, which would be an interesting ending for DoA...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Sep 2015, 09:36
I've seen Breaking Bad, but that post, cesium? That is a shitty thing to do. It's one thing to inadvertently spoil something, but especially in our age of Netflix where people can go back and watch a show? There's no excuse to spoil something for the sake of spoiling it.

Sure, there are a few exceptions where the spoiler is simply part of cultural knowledge (bhtooefr mentioned a couple), but otherwise? Keep it the fuck to yourself unless someone asks (or if you're in an appropriate setting for it, obviously).

You could make an argument that this an appropriate setting, but we have spoiler tags, there's no reason not to use them if talking about a non-DoA comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Sep 2015, 16:09
Hoh  Shit.

I guess I can take the last two seasons of Breaking Bad off my Netflix queue.

Dude. We're in a different world now. People like me, who don't have cable wait for Netflix to have stuff and then it can take ages to get through it all, because there's other stuff.

Honestly though, that show's been impossible to avoid spoilers. My main trick is to assume people aren't serious, and I'm  gonna just have a few drinks and hopefully forget/watch the first season of Glee until my brain melts. It might work.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 12 Sep 2015, 16:25
Cesium, that was shitty. Not everyone has the time, chance or the desire to see things when they're brand new and coming out week to week and it's shitty to spoil things just because you can do it. Even if you're not bothered, it doesn't mean someone else won't be upset by it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Sep 2015, 16:30
Even if you consider it 'fair game,' that don't mean it won't affect anyone. There's a statute of limitations, yes, but for things that have come out in the last decade, that's a MUCH longer time. If it's quality product, just leave it unspoiled, dangit

No hard feelings, though, Cesium, just recommending for not being called shifty in the future.
 Turns out Glee is very effective at wiping my mind.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Sep 2015, 16:43
Why lie when you can use the truth as a more effective sledgehammer

That's Mike
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 12 Sep 2015, 17:22
Hoh  Shit.

I guess I can take the last two seasons of Breaking Bad off my Netflix queue.
If knowledge of one event ruins two seasons of a TV show, then it's not a good TV show.

Breaking Bad was a good TV show. Watch the last two seasons and you'll enjoy them. (Or is that a spoiler too?)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 12 Sep 2015, 17:26
Are you seriously so offended by the idea that people like to be surprised by surprises?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Sep 2015, 18:33
Hoh  Shit.

I guess I can take the last two seasons of Breaking Bad off my Netflix queue.
If knowledge of one event ruins two seasons of a TV show, then it's not a good TV show.

Breaking Bad was a good TV show. Watch the last two seasons and you'll enjoy them. (Or is that a spoiler too?)

Dude, chill the fuck out. You are being a Dick right now. You're a decent person. Don't be a Dick.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Sep 2015, 21:20
REGARDING TODAY'S COMIC:

cute. Becky and Dinah are cute, and of course her teachers would say that
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Sep 2015, 00:27
I'm beginning to wonder if the whole dinosaur fixation is just a defensive behavior that Dina uses to keep those confusing, incomprehensible and, occasionally, even frightening and painful humans at arms' length. Becky is the first person likely for a long time that Dina has let past that wall.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 13 Sep 2015, 01:55
Or she's a socially awkward person who genuinely really likes dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 13 Sep 2015, 02:10
I'm beginning to wonder if the whole dinosaur fixation is just a defensive behavior that Dina uses to keep those confusing, incomprehensible and, occasionally, even frightening and painful humans at arms' length. Becky is the first person likely for a long time that Dina has let past that wall.
Well, she has stated before that she prefers Dinosaurs over Humans because they are extinct and thus fixed in time and not constantly changing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 13 Sep 2015, 03:46
Or she's a socially awkward person who genuinely really likes dinosaurs.

I would go with this.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Sep 2015, 12:54
I second that Welu
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Sep 2015, 23:18
Huh. There is something deeply disturbing about how Joyce and Becky had allowed aspirations and life goals. Their home communities are sounding less and less like a religious group and is beginning to sound more and more like a self-perpetuating sort-of-isolationist subculture that has set social roles for all its members irrespective of their own wishes.

If I'm right about this, then Joyce has probably been programmed to want to find a husband and spend the rest of her life as a home-maker and educator of her children (of whom  there will probably be many). I can't help but shiver a little at the thought.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 13 Sep 2015, 23:46
You've probably never heard of the Duggar family or the Quiverfull movement, have you?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Sep 2015, 07:10
Oh, there is no doubt that Joyce and Becky were programmed to be good little wives and mothers. Joyce is the one who took to the programming whole heartedly. If she had been the one to be sent to the christian college instead of Becky, she probably wouldn't even have questioned things. Or maybe she would have.. I mean it's still life away from her parent's control for the first time. Until recently she never even questioned her place in life or what she was taught. She still clings to a lot of those things, sometimes unconsciously. Despite coming to realize they are wrong about some things, like homosexuality.

But yes, it's pretty clear that Joyce and Becky's parents are in an almost cult-like extreme religious group that among other things sees women in only 'traditional' roles. Wife. Mother. Caretaker. Wanting to be something other than that has sent Toe Dad here to save Becky from herself... Probably by dragging her back to his house and locking her up until he can marry her off. It also bears mentioning that Joyce is taking education at college, until she gets married. The exact same path that Becky just describe. Except that's what she wants to do. For now anyway, who knows what the future holds.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Sep 2015, 09:03
Except that's what she wants to do.
Or it's what she thinks she wants because she wasn't really taught she had other options.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Sep 2015, 10:35
Except that's what she wants to do.
Or it's what she thinks she wants because she wasn't really taught she had other options.

Up until now that's been true. Now she is learning there is a lot more to life than what she has been taught. Maybe that will change as she learns more. And maybe it won't. She may not be as straight as she thinks she is either. Her only boyfriend was a guy she knew was gay from the start. She's expressed both a strange fascination with women's bodies and lesbians as well as freaking out about the idea of lesbians or the thought she might 'turn into one' before Becky came out to her.  She is canonically straight I think in all the other Walkyverse settings. I'm just not sure how much I believe Willis' claim that the sexuality of characters wouldn't change in DoA. He's also said 'Everybody becomes lesbians. Everybody." before.

In the end, Joyce has very much lived her life fulfilling the path her parents set out for her. She's now just learning that there are other options, and that they are as valid as the 'one true way' she was taught. But she is very slow to let go of things the way she knows them. Only time and Willis will tell.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Sep 2015, 14:37
Well, at least Becky has realistic expectations, considering how she was raised before she broke out, as to what she is most likely to be able to do as a job at this stage of things.

Let's hope Dina and the others are able to help her move on further than that though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 15 Sep 2015, 19:26
Once again I ask what happens when Amber's boyfriend leaves her for her ex-boyfriend?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Sep 2015, 19:48
Why would that happen? It's kind of shitty to assume just because he's bi he'd leave Amber.

Edit: Whoa, I thought yesterday's comic was today, when I actually hadn't checked today...never mind!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Sep 2015, 20:12
Hoo boy
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Sep 2015, 21:00
Why would that happen? It's kind of shitty to assume just because he's bi he'd leave Amber.

Edit: Whoa, I thought yesterday's comic was today, when I actually hadn't checked today...never mind!

Hmmph. I checked this thread three minutes early and this made me assume you meant what is TODAY'S comic, and dangit, I've already SEEN today's comic
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Sep 2015, 23:10
Yeah, Danny is thinking that he can do something stupid. I don't know if he's just dumb when it comes to relationships or if he's falling into the mental trap (that a lot of people who betray commitments do) that they can somehow have parallel relationships for different parts of their sexual or emotional needs without the two affecting each other (this is the most common cause of bigamy, IMO)

Just consider this, Danny - You know how important Amber is to Ethan. Do you think that he would be interested in two-timing her with you? Do you  think he would hurt her in exchange for a boyfriend? No. You'd just end up losing them both and probably hurting Amber badly (someone who has already had too much pain in her life).

More generously, it is possible that Danny is going a different way and has decided to handle his crush on Ethan by taking him off the market and getting him a BF... any BF as soon as possible.

Either way, Danny is going to strain or even destroy his friendships by thinking that he can sweep this whole thing under the rug without Amber ever knowing about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Sep 2015, 00:21
DANNY YOU FRAKIN' DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2015, 04:20
That seems harsh, Kugai.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 16 Sep 2015, 06:49
I am seeing this in I think a different light than other people, I think. What I am getting from people here is Danny is trying to hook up with Ethan on the side. I see it more like Danny realizes that he's attracted to Ethan, but he's dating Amber and doesn't want to betray or give up that. So long as Ethan is single it's a temptation... So he wants to get Ethan a boyfriend, to remove that temptation, he thinks. Notice he said 'Amber and I should find you a boyfriend'. You don't generally include your girlfriend in the process if you plan to be sneaking around behind her back.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2015, 06:56
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: CrowFairy on 16 Sep 2015, 07:37
Is it just me, or has the dialogue seemed fairly... stilted and unrealistic lately?

And I also saw it as Danny trying to get Ethan a boyfriend to remove temptation for himself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 16 Sep 2015, 07:46
I interpreted the comic the same way as Neko and Loli. Didn't see it all as Danny trying to set himself up with Ethan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Sep 2015, 11:45
I honestly don't see how someone could interpret it otherwise.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Sep 2015, 14:07
I'm not sure if Danny's in denial or is just trying to muddy the waters.

Joe has a point.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 17 Sep 2015, 14:39
Today's strip gave me a hearty chuckle. Absolutely love Joe's concerned eyebrow in the last panel.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Sep 2015, 23:14
I...

I'm sorry, did I follow a link to Shortpacked! by mistake? If I didn't know that it was Dumbing of Age, it would have been indistinguishable from dozens of similar interactions between them in the older strip.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Sep 2015, 00:16
I...

I'm sorry, did I follow a link to Shortpacked! by mistake? If I didn't know that it was Dumbing of Age, it would have been indistinguishable from dozens of similar interactions between them in the older strip.

The same occurred to me. DoA has made small references to Amber and Ethan being into toy collecting, but not recently at all.

It was a big thing for Amber, I think, when she first appeared, though her obsession was more with that TV show based on It's Walky that I can't remember, with a monkey. Monkey Master? I dunno. I never made it through that chunk of the Walky-verse.

Ethan, though, I can't remember any specific Dumbing of Age references to him collecting toys. I mean, I maybe do, but I might be confusing DoA with Shortpacked!?

In other news, it's weird ending a question with a title that requires an exclamation point. A simple question became an interrobang, and for once, I didn't intend to do it to show outrage and disbelief.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Sep 2015, 00:45
In the flashback to the shop, Ethan gets a very anxious Amber talking enthusiastically by bringing up Transformer toys.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Sep 2015, 04:20
Prediction for the next few strips:
ToeDad returns and finds Ethan, in a horrible mood, still on guard duty. All attempts to communicate with Ethan fail as he gets more and more aggravated about Amber’s new toy and the fact that he can’t easily get his ‘fix’ from the local Target. Eventually, Ethan is holding ToeDad by the front of his shirt, shaking him and screaming something about: “Why does she get Sky Lynx and I don’t, huh? HUH? Why?!? TELL ME WHY!

ToeDad, fearing for his life from the obviously-insane young man, runs back out onto the street and gets run over by a passing garbage truck. Hence the interlude at the Emergency Room.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Sep 2015, 04:40
What Emergency...god damn it, Benergy, stop referencing spoilers.

Even if that was kind of funny.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Sep 2015, 12:39
So, Amber's an Autobot and Ethan's a Decepticon

Got that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Sep 2015, 19:13
*Autobutt
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 18 Sep 2015, 22:45
Given her whole "underaged drinking is illegal YOU KNOW WHO I AM DANNY" thing from the last storyline I agree with Ethan as far as not trusting her with details about Becky. The stakes are too high to give that information to someone who's ideas of right and wrong are so rigid.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Sep 2015, 00:00
Just think of the Residuals if she had.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Sep 2015, 05:22
It would be pretty rigid alright if she would report people for letting a homeless girl on the run from an abusive household crash in their dorm rooms. Given her history Amber might even identify with Becky. That of course could open up a whole new set of problems... Of the Amazi-Girl vs Toe Dad fight scene type.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Sep 2015, 10:08
I dunno... Maybe Willis is setting up a situation where Amber has to confront the occasional dichotomy between 'legally wrong' and 'morally wrong'.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 19 Sep 2015, 14:30
We already know there's some serious cognitive dissonance going on with her so-called moral code. Beating the shit out of people is also illegal and a far more serious crime than underage drinking, but she has no qualms about meting out copious amounts of violence over misdemeanor offenses. It would be interesting to see her be forced to confront and address her own hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Sep 2015, 17:51
Any case, I realized while looking at the DoA homepage that Willis is either better at silly, crass insulting links than our benefactor, mr. Jeph Jacques, or more willing to resort to ridiculous combo-curses. The QC link to DoA is that Dave Willis sniffs butts, while DoA straight up calls Jeph Jacques a taintbraider.

As in, Willis accuses Jeph of braiding taints. I don't even know that this is an insult, it shows some strange sort of power that mortal and women only dream. Possibly have nightmares about.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 20 Sep 2015, 12:26
Oooh, Dark Amazi-Girl just spoke
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Sep 2015, 23:21
I'm really worried about Sarah. Her anger, resentment and desire to beat Raidah could lead her to a very, very dark and dangerous place.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 20 Sep 2015, 23:54
Beating the shit out of people is also illegal and a far more serious crime than underage drinking, but she has no qualms about meting out copious amounts of violence over misdemeanor offenses.
*frowns* are you sure? I was under the impression she only dealt out violence in self-defence, or against Sal (and her gang) or her father.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Sep 2015, 00:14
Beating the shit out of people is also illegal and a far more serious crime than underage drinking, but she has no qualms about meting out copious amounts of violence over misdemeanor offenses.

*frowns* are you sure? I was under the impression she only dealt out violence in self-defence, or against Sal (and her gang) or her father.

That's almost exactly right: The only time that we've seen Amazi-Girl use violence, she's been either defending herself or defending others from violence. She actually refused to initiate a fight against a group of vandals.

I've found that some people look for a cause to condemn Amazi-Girl because they find her strict 'obey the Law' ethos offensive or subconsciously threatening, especially when it comes to alcohol.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Sep 2015, 05:10
I'm really worried about Sarah. Her anger, resentment and desire to beat Raidah could lead her to a very, very dark and dangerous place.
This is the rare occasion where I agree with your pessimistic prediction.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Sep 2015, 14:28
Let the fun commence.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 21 Sep 2015, 19:59
I've found that some people look for a cause to condemn Amazi-Girl because they find her strict 'obey the Law' ethos offensive or subconsciously threatening, especially when it comes to alcohol.

Ethan just gave an example where her extreme legalism could potentially be a threat.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 21 Sep 2015, 20:19
[quote author=BenRG
I've found that some people look for a cause to condemn Amazi-Girl because they find her strict 'obey the Law' ethos offensive or subconsciously threatening, especially when it comes to alcohol.
[/quote]

I can't speak for others, but I have no problems with her propensity toward violence. I have one myself. I do take issue with hypocrisy in general, though. The thing is her 'follow the law ethos' isn't strict and only applies to other people. It is an excuse to funnel her rage into a mental space she can justify to herself. Like all moral crusaders she is good at the mental gymnastics required to justify behavior in herself she condemns in others.

As far as your conclusion about why certain people condemn her, do you real "find" this or do you simply draw that conclusion based on your own unsupported assumptions?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Sep 2015, 23:26
Wow! Sarah is so pretty when she comes out of her 'everyone hates me and I don't care' shell! Such a pity that, as Jacob has noticed, there is a definite feel of Fatal Attraction-level crazy bouncing around in her head!

As far as your conclusion about why certain people condemn her, do you real "find" this or do you simply draw that conclusion based on your own unsupported assumptions?

Empirical evidence. No-one cared about Amazi-Girl's behaviour and, indeed idolised her for it (several were upset that she didn't murder her father). Then she took a stand against breaking Indianna's (admittedly strict) underage drinking laws and she was a vicious, violent and dangerous hypocrite to the point where they exaggerated and even made up stuff about her violent behaviour. The conclusion pointed to itself.

[edit]
Just thought I should emphasise that I'm talking about the Dumbing of Age comments thread on its own site, not here where the debate has been less... fraught.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 22 Sep 2015, 01:25
Quote from: BenRG

Empirical evidence. No-one cared about Amazi-Girl's behaviour and, indeed idolised her for it (several were upset that she didn't murder her father). Then she took a stand against breaking Indianna's (admittedly strict) underage drinking laws and she was a vicious, violent and dangerous hypocrite to the point where they exaggerated and even made up stuff about her violent behaviour. The conclusion pointed to itself.

Technically this is not empirical evidence. It is anecdotal.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Sep 2015, 16:46
Let battle commence!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Sep 2015, 18:06
Has he never seen her smile or something? (pause) Has anyone ever seen her smile?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 22 Sep 2015, 18:43
Has he never seen her smile or something? (pause) Has anyone ever seen her smile?

I think no. Not even a malicious smile, that I recall
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 22 Sep 2015, 23:33
Today's strip gives me the feeling that Sarah has decided that she's better than this. She's right; she is better than this. Having Jacob think that she's had a nervous breakdown is a small price to pay for saving her own soul.

Has he never seen her smile or something? (pause) Has anyone ever seen her smile?

I think no. Not even a malicious smile, that I recall

He has seen her smile in a reflective way when they were discussing Joyce but this one was something else.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Sep 2015, 06:05
Dang it, Sarah.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Sep 2015, 12:45
DON'T PANIC
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Sep 2015, 23:50
What will be ever lost to time is just what Sarah was planning that morning. Whatever it was, I think that it was incompatible with her self-respect.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Sep 2015, 13:59
Dang
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Sep 2015, 14:31
I am so fucking confused.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 24 Sep 2015, 14:36
Daaaang (http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/1488dang.png)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 24 Sep 2015, 19:41
I am so fucking confused.
She tried to feign being cheerful because she thinks that is what Jacob wants, but realized she can't do it. She can't pretend to be someone she's not in order to win over a boy. Rightfully so. But at the same time she's sad cos she thinks she blew her chances.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Sep 2015, 23:10
I've got a feeling that this whole thing about Becky trying to stabilise her life is going to turn into a comedic learning experience for her and Dana both about the nature of real world adult life.

Meanwhile, because they're wandering around Bloomington, Becky and Dina are nicely out of Ross's field of view. He'll return to the campus, find that no-one has seen Becky recently and that she'd been telling everyone that she was only staying for the weekend.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 25 Sep 2015, 13:33
A masterful plan there BenRG

And I love Beckys optimism here.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Sep 2015, 03:46
That's the Mike we all know and love
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Sep 2015, 04:00
That's the Mike we all know
Yep
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Sep 2015, 05:40
I really think that Sal should give Joyce the requested ride. One way or the other, it will shut her up. Either she'll be so scared that she'll never ask again or she'll like it so much, she'll save up to buy her own bike!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Sep 2015, 12:52
I can't hear "chopper" referring to a motorcycle without thinking of Zed.

Who's Zed?

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Sep 2015, 15:36
Awww, come on Sal, you owe her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Sep 2015, 23:13
Meanwhile, Walky has decided to address his own problems by buying a ticket for a cruise down Deriver Denial to Reality Falls. I just hope it isn't one-way!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Sep 2015, 12:46
I think both Sal AND Walky are paddling down the River Nile.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Sep 2015, 14:53
I wonder why Walky and Sal are in the same class. You'd think Walky would've taken AP classes in high school.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 27 Sep 2015, 20:44
I wonder why Walky and Sal are in the same class. You'd think Walky would've taken AP classes in high school.

I have a feeling that part if why Walky was so successful in highschool is that he never did more than he had to. Being in NHS doesn't mean you're in advanced classes, just that your GPA is high. You can do that by just taking easy classes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Sep 2015, 21:06
Dun dun dunnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Sep 2015, 23:10
I'm pretty sure that Walky is going to melt down at this point. He's clearly decided that he can hide his problems from everyone who matters (most notably his parents). However, eventually he's going to have to pass tests to advance in his classes and that isn't easy.

Meanwhile, I've got the feeling that Mike is on a "Cruel to be kind because it's fun" path. Basically, get Walky to accept help by making his life unbearable.

P.S.: Spending all his time drawing space aliens, huh? Is Walky another part of Willis's autobiographical characterisation of himself in this strip?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Sep 2015, 06:24
Yeah, I'm (almost) alone in the echoey lobby of my community college and I audibly chuckled, catching the attention of the one other person in the room. She gave me a weird look, but I can't explain why Mike knowing things is bad news for Walky
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Sep 2015, 06:38
I wonder why Walky and Sal are in the same class. You'd think Walky would've taken AP classes in high school.

I have a feeling that part if why Walky was so successful in highschool is that he never did more than he had to. Being in NHS doesn't mean you're in advanced classes, just that your GPA is high. You can do that by just taking easy classes.
Maybe my school was different but honors classes were worth more to your GPA than standard, and high honors/AP were worth even more.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Sep 2015, 07:45
Yeah, I'm (almost) alone in the echoey lobby of my community college and I audibly chuckled, catching the attention of the one other person in the room. She gave me a weird look, but I can't explain why Mike knowing things is bad news for Walky

Because Mike also knows Walky wants to keep that a secret. Which means Mike has a way to torment Walky, whenever he so chooses. And since it's Mike, he will use that. It's pointless to even ask him to keep it quiet, that will just make him want to torment Walky even more.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Sep 2015, 11:23
Yeah, I'm (almost) alone in the echoey lobby of my community college and I audibly chuckled, catching the attention of the one other person in the room. She gave me a weird look, but I can't explain why Mike knowing things is bad news for Walky

Because Mike also knows Walky wants to keep that a secret. Which means Mike has a way to torment Walky, whenever he so chooses. And since it's Mike, he will use that. It's pointless to even ask him to keep it quiet, that will just make him want to torment Walky even more.

See. and I know that, but I'm familiar with the strip. This girl was on the far end of the room, and I don't know, but I'd be surprised if she knew DoA. I just went back to smiling at my phone and after a second or two, she went back to whatever she was doing, probably waiting on the business office to open, from where she sat
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Sep 2015, 11:44
Was Mike actually nice for a panel or two?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Sep 2015, 12:05
Nah, not really. I mean on someone else those statements could sound decent enough. But when dealing with Mike, you should always add a silent 'You idiot' to the end of each of his sentences. Plus, he knows the value of stringing someone along a bit before dropping the hammer. People are often very good at abusing themselves and freaking themselves at. Sometimes it just takes a little nudge to start them/keep them going and Mike gets to soak in that sweet, sweet anguish.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Sep 2015, 12:57
Even if it wasn't intentionally nice, Walky definitely needed to hear that first bit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 28 Sep 2015, 13:14
I think Mike's motto is to be cruel to be kind, or to be cruel to be cruel, whatever works in the moment.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Sep 2015, 23:28
You know, I really think that we're up for a big paradigm shift in the relationships surrounding Sal in the very near future. I suspect that she's going to decide that actually talking to Joyce is the only way she's going to get to have her leave her alone. The thing is... I don't think that conversation will turn out the way either of them hoped!

Actually, to save time, I'll just quote my comment on the subject from dumbingofage.com:
Quote

I do think that the time has come for Sal to actually talk to Joyce about how she’s always pestering her and her feelings about it. Joyce isn’t stupid and she isn’t socially unaware and would actually ease off if Sal asked her to do so. The problem is that Sal isn’t comfortable with interacting with people outside of her tiny circle and typically tries a strategy of avoidance and antisocial behaviour to try to drive them away. Unfortunately, Joyce simply doesn’t get it; she needs to be told.

The thing is? I have a sneaking suspicion that, if they get to actually talking, Joyce and Sal may have a lot of surprises in store for each other. Neither of them will get what they want from the conversation but they may get things that they need.

Possibility: Joyce will be hanging out with Sal in town, learning more of her real like (as opposed to the cool illusion), so ToeDad can’t find her in campus when she returns.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Sep 2015, 15:05
Sals version of Show and Tell.

Se really does need to expand her circle though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Sep 2015, 23:25
It's going to be quite a struggle for Sal during this encounter. Will her need to present an antisocial armour to the world override her simple humanity and sympathy for Joyce?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Near Lurker on 30 Sep 2015, 00:21
This strip, coming on the heels of the last one, really drives home the difference between the two verses.  In both, she's "one with triangle grin" - but in this one, she's also a rape victim.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Sep 2015, 08:26
The chapter title makes sense to me now, though not in the Wicked lyrics fashion. Sal's needs to be brought back to Earth, she's got this elevated sense of self, like she's just better than other people, Joyce, for example. She's had a different life than everyone but possibly Marcie, but that doesn't mean she has to hold herself away from everybody else the way she is. She's gotta be grounded...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Sep 2015, 13:19
This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship











Or a complete train wreck
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Sep 2015, 13:26
This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship

...

Or a complete train wreck

Knowing Willis, most probably one leading to the other. The question remaining to be answered is: Which leading to which?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Sep 2015, 21:05
Joyce, I actually relate to that feeling, though I've never started hyperventilating in that specific situation. I just distracted myself with other things and did my best to become the wall
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Sep 2015, 21:15
Comeon Sal, ya can see she's not doing too well there.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Sep 2015, 23:16
I've been thinking about panel 1. In many ways, both women in today's strip were afraid of something. Sal was afraid of opening up and being vulnerable to someone emotionally, so she was planning to run away from Joyce (in a self-confident, swaggering way but still effectively running away). Joyce, on the other hand, has been so messed up by her traumatic fear that she's having a full-blown flashback.

I think that Sal is about to face one of her life's greatest challenges: How does she help Joyce and what is her own personal pride and defensiveness worth?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Oct 2015, 04:32
Come on Sal, ya can see she's not doing too well there.
Well yeah, that's why she came back. Maybe she does care after all.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 01 Oct 2015, 06:16
I feel so bad for Joyce here. Panic and anxiety attacks suck, especially in public.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Oct 2015, 23:22
Something tells me that the gruff, aloof exterior is such a part of Sal's self-identity that she's even learned how to be caring without breaking character. At 18-19 years old, that's quite the achievement!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Oct 2015, 14:27
Sal, Professional Untherapist Extraordinaire
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Oct 2015, 23:51
Sal is learning an important thing today: Other people have problems and difficult lives too! Most importantly, you miss a lot of fun and/or important stuff if you are just trying to stay aloof because you are afraid of being emotionally vulnerable to people.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Oct 2015, 05:17
Wait, Joyce was the wang drawer?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Oct 2015, 09:33
Yup.

http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/thewhiteboarddingdongbandit/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Oct 2015, 09:39
Wait, Joyce was the wang drawer?
When I saw this comment I didn't realize that "drawer" was being used as "one who draws" and not "a retractable container."  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Oct 2015, 09:41
Cheers, Pilchard.

Cesium, it would've been less ambiguous out loud, they're pronounced differently.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Oct 2015, 21:46
So...why does Joyce hate Walky again?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Oct 2015, 22:50
I don't understand the question.. Do you mean why does Sal hate Walky?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Oct 2015, 23:35
If Sal achieves anything, it will be to persuade Joyce that her fear/indecision loop regarding Dorothy is senseless and that she's just got to learn to take emotional risks if she wants a friendship to work. That is, of course, ironic as Sal herself almost never lets herself take any kind of emotional risk.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Oct 2015, 07:13
I fixed it. I meant why does Joyce hate Walky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Oct 2015, 09:05
SAL IS SMILING WITH AMUSEMENT AT JOYCE

This may mean nothing. I hope it means she's softening her distaste.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 04 Oct 2015, 10:02
I fixed it. I meant why does Joyce hate Walky.

I think Joyce might be exaggerating her feelings to try to curry favor with Sal, but during just about every other interaction between Joyce and Walky he, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not, says something that scandalizes or angers her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Oct 2015, 14:11
A shared 'Interest' - that's one way to start things off.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Oct 2015, 14:15
I fixed it. I meant why does Joyce hate Walky.

I think Joyce might be exaggerating her feelings to try to curry favor with Sal, but during just about every other interaction between Joyce and Walky he, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not, says something that scandalizes or angers her.

I think this is right. She doesn't really like Walky, he's a bit of a jerk towards her, but she's never been actively anti-Walky. Even now, she's just talking.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Oct 2015, 23:21
Okay, opinion time, DoA fans: Why do you think that Joyce was bothered by Dorothy's behaviour? I think that, on some level, it's because Dorothy found the party so boring that she needed to drink to enjoy it. That would borther me too!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 05 Oct 2015, 03:47
No, because at the last party where people got drunk she almost got raped.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Oct 2015, 06:27
Yeah, I'm going with ChaoSera's thoughts on this. I think it especially bothered her not because Dorothy was drinking so much as that she got drunk at the party that was being thrown specifically for Joyce to get comfortable with the idea of parties again. Instead having people drunk in her room reminds her of that other night. It's something that's been on her mind a lot since the day she had her epiphany that she's been part of problem when it comes to the amount of shit LGBT people go through, and that they don't need fixing. All the fear she's been feeling since the night of her near-rape, and the guilt about how she's treated Becky and Ethan and who knows how many others is coming to a head. Sal is right.. she needs to talk to someone soon or she's going to wind up exploding. She already had kind of a mini boom already trying to get Becky to yell at her to assuage her guilt over her anti-gay statements previously. Which is sad because Joyce is genuinely a nice girl. She's just had her head filled with a lot of bad programming and is having a hard time having to de-program and learning a lot of what she was taught and thought to be true is pretty horrible, actually.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2015, 14:29
I think Sal would be good for Joyce and visa versa (or however ya spell dat)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Oct 2015, 23:15
Just another indicator of the amount of effort (some of it against at least the spirit of the law) that Ross went to in order to keep Becky under control. It's chilling, in a way, just how dependent that he seems to need her to be.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Oct 2015, 23:48
Indeed
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Oct 2015, 06:22
Ouch. That is going to be a problem. I doubt she has a copy of her birth certificate or a state-issued ID then if she doesn't even know a social security card exists. That could make getting a new one issued difficult.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Oct 2015, 21:09
D'aww, Dina, how do you keep getting more fucking adorable? THERE MUST BE A LIMIT HOW DO YOU KEEP EXCEEDING IT
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2015, 04:40
THE LIMIT DOES NOT EXIST
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Oct 2015, 10:04
THE LIMIT DOES NOT EXIST

DINA AND BECKY ARE NOT MEAN GIRLS, METHOD, DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON THEM
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Oct 2015, 12:52
Ouch
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Oct 2015, 15:26
THE LIMIT DOES NOT EXIST

DINA AND BECKY ARE NOT MEAN GIRLS, METHOD, DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON THEM
They can be some of the nice characters from that movie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Oct 2015, 23:06
Poor Sal! I really feel bad that she needs to present the illusion that she's tough and independent to the point where she is socially isolated. Marcie having a girlfriend and her own life is going to be tough on her, I think. In fact, I've got the feeling that she is going to be standing around until her next class, practising being lonely and wishing that she's just decided to sit with Joyce and listen to her ramble.

So... I'm thinking that Dorothy's screen name is possibly how Walky describes her (it seems to be a 'thing' between them). I'm pretty sure Joyce already knows that and I'm wondering what she thinks about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 08 Oct 2015, 06:28
Cinnamon roll is a Tumblr way of describing a much loved person.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 08 Oct 2015, 21:58
I wish that I had the strength to not read for the next week or so.  Things are taking a dark turn here, and it'd be nice to at least read towards some sort of resolution building.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Oct 2015, 22:56
It should be interesting to see how things play out. Ross has chosen probably the least favourable environment for him to carry out this confrontation. If Becky refuses to co-operate, he's going to have to carry out a kidnapping in the middle of a street, in broad daylight and after attracting the cops' attention with that swerve. Additionally, it depends on how close we are to the college but there could be a lot of people hanging around who aren't going to just stand by and let things happen.


[edit]
Oh, possible spoiler (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/130773484652/hank):
(click to show/hide)

Maybe fallout from the arc starting today?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 09 Oct 2015, 00:20
(http://1111now.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/when-sh_t-hits-the-fan.jpg)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 09 Oct 2015, 01:50
God fucking damn you Willis, not excited to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Oct 2015, 06:13
Possible outcome of the current arc (anticlimactic but not unrealistic, IMO):

We cut away for a few strips so we can follow Joyce’s traumatic reconciliation (in her mind) with Dorothy. It will be cute and bitter-sweet. Cute because Dorothy doesn’t know that there is anything wrong and bitter-sweet because it will demonstrate just how deeply Joyce’s friendship for her runs and how heartbroken she was at the thought of there being enmity between them.

After that, we cut back to Becky and her dad sitting on a bench. He’s trying to persuade her to try the ‘intensive cure’ class he’s found (“Look! They even have colour brochures!”). She keeps on refusing. He gets angry but also sad. There is a bit of semi-religious rhetoric and maybe threats to cut her off with nothing. He tells her that, if she refuses, then she’s an orphan and he’s childless. She agrees to those terms. There is a long, dead pause (one silent panel before)…

“Well, okay. Goodbye, stranger. I doubt we’ll meet again.”

“Bye.” A beat then. “I’ll need my Social Security number.”

“I’ll post the stuff to Joyce Brown. I have no doubt she’ll know where to find you.” Then Ross gets in his car and drives off as Becky breaks down on Dina’s shoulder.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Oct 2015, 06:23
Yeah, given what little we've seen of his personality so far I'm kind of thinking Ross isn't going to just back off and give up after a civil conversation.  Or what we know of Becky either, for that matter. I forsee a lot of yelling and people getting involved. I don't know if any kind of campus police will show up though. So far I don't think they've made an on screen appearance. We've just heard of some of the things they've done like towing Ross's car.

Still we knew this was going to happen eventually. Becky does kind of stand out with that hair, and just walking around town and campus when her dad was looking for her meant he was either going to wind up spotting her, or find someone who recognized her but didn't knot he situation to direct him. And really, it's something that needs to happen. Even if Joyce successfully lied to Toedad and convinced him that Becky had already left for... somewhere, that would only be delaying the inevitable.

I'll be honest, the only way I was able to get away from my abusive father was to cut all my ties with the life he knew of and move to a state I'd never been before. And to be honest, I made it quite clear in my parting letter that I wanted nothing more to do with him, ever. That I was done trying to make our relationship work. He still could have tracked me down if he really wanted, even given that. He did manage to get a letter to me through the one cousin I stayed in contact with for a while. But since I didn't change my name right away there was a paper trail he could have followed if he wanted.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Oct 2015, 13:11
Fuck
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Oct 2015, 13:37
Fuck

This was my response.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Oct 2015, 19:54
Aye.  Too bad Dina's T-Rex hat doesn't give her the ability to bite a person in half.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Oct 2015, 20:01
She needed to be wearing her triceratop. That way she could gore Toedad with the stuffed horn.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Oct 2015, 20:15
Ooh!  And parade the SD around as a trophy.  Like "look at what I gored".  Might make Dina feel better about the whole thing that happened with Amber's SD.

Edit: ToeSD really needs to die, in the most prolonged and painful way possible to humanity.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 09 Oct 2015, 21:08
Well then... someone's going to make the news there...  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Oct 2015, 21:55
As fucked up as things are, I still couldn't help but notice...do we usually see Becky's eye and eyebrow THROUGH her hair?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 09 Oct 2015, 22:30
I wasn't expecting that.  But in retrospect, maybe I should have been.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Oct 2015, 00:33
Okay, even in my worst scenarios, I hadn't expected him to start raving about Becky and Dina being punished "by God's hand" and then pull out a gun. Willis may say no death, but I can't see this ending without blood.

It may be interesting to see how the Browns react to this. Joyce may be surprised just how sympathetic they are to Ross's plight.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 10 Oct 2015, 04:25
Oh. Oh, shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 10 Oct 2015, 04:33
I expected this to escalate this quickly, but definitely not this far. Can't wait for the next strips.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Oct 2015, 04:48
I won't spoil tomorrow's strip, but just remember, that Becky and Dina didn't see him grab the gun when they scarpered.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 10 Oct 2015, 05:58
What the fuck, Willis?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Oct 2015, 06:04
I won't spoil tomorrow's strip, but just remember, that Becky and Dina didn't see him grab the gun when they scarpered.

I have my suspicions about where this is going and how it's going to be presented. In terms of dramatic tension, it is a brilliant idea and will leave the audience glued to the page waiting for updates. In terms of emotional abuse of the audience, it will border on bloodsport.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Oct 2015, 08:03
I.. really didn't expect things to go there. I think we seriously underestimated how warped Ross is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Oct 2015, 12:08
Bloody 'ell!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Oct 2015, 12:32
I.. really didn't expect things to go there. I think we seriously underestimated how warped Ross is.
Yeah, the general consensus here seemed to be "well, at least he's not as bad as Amber's dad" and then holy shit he's worse.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Oct 2015, 23:28
Things seem to be heading towards a climactic and very public confrontation in the college quad. This reduces the likelihood of bloodshed but I do think that it is going to be stressful and traumatic. It also means that Becky's secret is firmly out.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 11 Oct 2015, 05:02
Don't forget about Dina, though. We don't know which direction she ran.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Oct 2015, 06:09
I can't help but thing Amazi-Girl is going to show up during all of this. I don't think Joyce has a way to contact her though? I'm not sure who she would be calling to help.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 11 Oct 2015, 07:08
I think she's calling Dorothy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 11 Oct 2015, 07:31
Oh, and just because there's a lot of people confused about the sequence of events in the comments over on DoA...

Word of Willis regarding the sequence of events. (http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/130927548682/did-becky-see-toedad-pull-out-his-gun-or-did-she)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 11 Oct 2015, 10:05
A lot of people are wondering why she didn't call the police, but based on today's strip she a. doesn't know about the gun, and b. if you're a teenage runaway - even from an abusive situation - more often than not the cops will not be your friends.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Oct 2015, 12:16
I'm hoping someone in that group of people in the background has called the Cops.  It'll be interesting to see who Joyce has Texted.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Oct 2015, 13:55
I'm hoping someone in that group of people in the background has called the Cops.  It'll be interesting to see who Joyce has Texted.

To account '@PingAmaziGrrl' - "I'm by the fountain! Come help quick!" Then she screams for Sal. Sal and Amber are about to be forced to confront their respective demons to protect the innocent (something they both believe in). In her own way, so will Joyce.

A nearby bystander tells the newspapers about two girls being saved by what he describes as "Three Angels of Justice".  :wink:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Oct 2015, 14:19
Guy screeches to a halt, gets out and starts yelling at a couple of college students. They bolt into the woods and he pulls out a rifle and chases after them. I sure as heck hope someone calls the police... I don't see how Ross figures this is going to end well for him. Oh wait, yes I do. He 'has God on his side'.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 11 Oct 2015, 16:47
I'm hoping someone in that group of people in the background has called the Cops.  It'll be interesting to see who Joyce has Texted.

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Also, regardless of how it turns out, the police and campus authorities will be alerted to Becky's presence. Meaning no more living in Billie's room amongst other potential issues.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Oct 2015, 21:05
Okay, Dina, GO FOR THE FUCKING EYES!  His arms are down, so he can't block you, and your arms are in the right place.  And a totally blinded toe-dad who has no eyeballs won't be able to shoot for shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Oct 2015, 21:27
Dinaraptor attack

This will not go well
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2015, 21:45
It's going better than I could've hoped from Saturday's comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Oct 2015, 23:15
Oh. How silly. I sort of hoped... Well, it doesn't matter. I'll keep reading the strip but this is a step into Walkyverse-style (although not Walkyverse-level) surreality that sort of undermines the whole strip.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2015, 23:23
You didn't think this comic was surreal before today?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Oct 2015, 23:25
You didn't think this comic was surreal before today?

No. It was extreme in places (for example, I doubt that many people in Amber's position would really turn themselves into costumed vigilantes) but it was still generally believable as something that is meant to reflect the real world. This strip is just too silly.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 Oct 2015, 23:25
How is it sillier than Amazigirl?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 11 Oct 2015, 23:44
How is it sillier than Amazigirl?

Maybe it's all in the eye of the beholder. To me, Amazi-Girl was at least plausible if highly unlikely. Ultimately, you can explain it by reference to her mental health issues.

However, today's strip just seems to be Willis releasing his inner Jurassic Park fanboy and it doesn't seem like anything the character would actually do. Dina might pretend to think she's a dinosaur to avoid awkward conversations but she doesn't really think she's a dinosaur! To me, he's just broken the character of Dina and wrecked the drama of the scene.

FWIW, I can see this ending in one of the following ways:
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Oct 2015, 06:19
SPOILER ALERT: Preview Artwork (31/1/16) (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/130982940987/january-31-2016)
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Oct 2015, 11:46
See, BenRG, you take it as ridiculous that Ross would have seen Jurassic Park, I take it as evidence he at least saw it himself before declaring it ungodly. Whether he's making the reference intentionally, that's actually up for some debate, because it's not necessarily just a reference; it's a full, logical statement, considering Dina has just outwitted him. It's probably a reference, but it might not be one he's making consciously.

Either way, it's happened, it's canonical, and it's pretty obviously a matter of pacing out the strip and giving Becky the chance of getting to the fountain. I agree with your point about Dina; I don't see her coming out of this unscathed, though I don't know if her injuries will be nearly fatal.

Any case, it appears the gun is out of his grasp, which is a good sign.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Stoon on 12 Oct 2015, 15:25
See, BenRG, you take it as ridiculous that Ross would have seen Jurassic Park, I take it as evidence he at least saw it himself before declaring it ungodly. Whether he's making the reference intentionally, that's actually up for some debate, because it's not necessarily just a reference; it's a full, logical statement, considering Dina has just outwitted him. It's probably a reference, but it might not be one he's making consciously.

Either way, it's happened, it's canonical, and it's pretty obviously a matter of pacing out the strip and giving Becky the chance of getting to the fountain. I agree with your point about Dina; I don't see her coming out of this unscathed, though I don't know if her injuries will be nearly fatal.

Any case, it appears the gun is out of his grasp, which is a good sign.
Religious people don't need to see/read things before declaring them ungodly.  You hear them talking about Harry Potter teaching witchcraft is good and that's ungodly, and you know they haven't read Harry Potter.   You hear them criticize Dogma for things that weren't in the film, and you know they haven't seen Dogma.  You hear them talking about satanic rock music, and you know they haven't listened to the music.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Oct 2015, 15:54
See, BenRG, you take it as ridiculous that Ross would have seen Jurassic Park, I take it as evidence he at least saw it himself before declaring it ungodly. Whether he's making the reference intentionally, that's actually up for some debate, because it's not necessarily just a reference; it's a full, logical statement, considering Dina has just outwitted him. It's probably a reference, but it might not be one he's making consciously.

Either way, it's happened, it's canonical, and it's pretty obviously a matter of pacing out the strip and giving Becky the chance of getting to the fountain. I agree with your point about Dina; I don't see her coming out of this unscathed, though I don't know if her injuries will be nearly fatal.

Any case, it appears the gun is out of his grasp, which is a good sign.
Religious people don't need to see/read things before declaring them ungodly.  You hear them talking about Harry Potter teaching witchcraft is good and that's ungodly, and you know they haven't read Harry Potter.   You hear them criticize Dogma for things that weren't in the film, and you know they haven't seen Dogma.  You hear them talking about satanic rock music, and you know they haven't listened to the music.

Dude, I've grown up in this environment. My parents, thank whatever heavenly body floats your boat, were fringe members who didn't buy into censorship, but I've been around the people who do agree with it for most of my life. They were my elementary school teachers, some of them even taught high school.

Some of them DO actually give something a once-over before agreeing with whoever said it was no good. They're less likely to do this if it was the pastor who was talking shit about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Oct 2015, 21:12
Today's comic is up and noooooooooooo Becky... curse your high-vis hair color...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 12 Oct 2015, 21:15
Probably a good thing. It means Ross will probably go running after Becky instead of doing whatever he was going to do to Dina.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Oct 2015, 21:16
No, Becky's' high-vis hair color may have saved Dina. And she's in a well-populated area.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Oct 2015, 21:26
This is true, but I have grave doubts about ToeDad's capacity for giving a shit. He thinks God's on his side, people do horrible shit when that's their motivation and they have no solid scriptural evidence behind them. Sometimes they bend scripture to justify it, but Ross hasn't even done that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Oct 2015, 22:01
It's not that he'd care, but that people would be around to stop him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Oct 2015, 01:53
I'm pretty sure that he's going to take a shot at Becky to stop her so he can catch up and carry her off to 'safety'.

It's not that he'd care, but that people would be around to stop him.

I'm wondering if he's not going to understand why people are trying to stop him at first and then get enraged and start lashing out against the 'legions of the devil' (or some similar-sounding delusion). I'm pretty sure he'll try to fight the campus security team if they get in his way.

I'm genuinely wondering if, by the end of this arc, whether Becky is going to be an orphan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Oct 2015, 03:12
The other thing, if he runs after Becky without taking the gun, Dina will have the gun.

And, in Indiana, due to their stand your ground law, Dina is justified in using deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if she reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to a third person (Becky) or the commission of a forcible felony. And, in Indiana law, "forcible felony" consists of felonies that involve the use or threat of force against a human being, or which there is imminent danger of bodily injury to a human being - and kidnapping is a felony in Indiana.

Basically, if Ross leaves that gun behind, it's Ross season, 100% legally, per Indiana law.

Now, I'm not saying it's a good idea to do that. It's a terrible idea to do that from a tactical perspective alone - Dina's not familiar with firearms, she'd be firing towards innocents, she'd now be the "person with a gun" - but, let's face it, Dina isn't exercising the greatest judgement here. (I also don't think Willis will go there, though, due to his personal politics, which he's expressed all over the comments section.) But, also, it could be a reason why Ross will make sure to keep the gun from Dina, as he doesn't know any of that, but he almost certainly does understand the mechanics of Indiana's stand your ground law.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Oct 2015, 04:44
Becky is going to be an orphan.
Wait, her mom is dead? When was that covered?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Oct 2015, 04:48
Becky is going to be an orphan.
Wait, her mom is dead? When was that covered?

On their way to the bus station, Ross told Dina that, in retrospect, he should have taken more of a close interest in Becky after her mother 'passed away'.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 13 Oct 2015, 05:35
Wow...Becky's dad is chasing her with a gun.  Maybe we'll be surprised and its a tranq gun but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Oct 2015, 06:12
Of course, I just realized another way this could go, if Ross decides to focus on Dina, and Willis wants to make a commentary on Indiana's stand your ground law.

He could be under the belief that Dina is kidnapping Becky from him, and therefore feel justified in using lethal force against her that way.

There are probably juries in Indiana that would let Ross off for shooting Dina, with that kind of defense. :psyduck:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 13 Oct 2015, 07:05
Never before has a webcomic made me so nervous to see every update. God damn you, Willis.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Oct 2015, 13:24
Never before has a webcomic made me so nervous to see every update. God damn you, Willis.

For real. I've been on the edge of my seat for straight up days now. This is not very comfortable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Oct 2015, 15:03
Hooo boy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Oct 2015, 21:13
Fuck you, Willis.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Oct 2015, 21:23
And where is Dina?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Oct 2015, 21:28
And where is Dina?

Running at top speed to catch up, ready to jump in front of a bullet for her girlfriend*


*god I hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Oct 2015, 22:14
Unless Willis is lying, Dina will live (he has repeatedly said that he will NOT be killing any of the main cast on Tumblr).  But that doesn't mean nothing got broken, or that she won't get seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Oct 2015, 22:23
Unless Willis is lying, Dina will live (he has repeatedly said that he will NOT be killing any of the main cast on Tumblr).  But that doesn't mean nothing got broken, or that she won't get seriously hurt.

Take it from me, gunshots aren't always deadly. Thanks to someone in the thread that I can't blame because they probably put it under a spoiler tag that I ignored, there is a thing that I will also put in a spoiler tag coming in the near future: 
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 13 Oct 2015, 23:03
And where is Dina?

Probably still lying unconscious in the woods where Ross cold-cocked her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Oct 2015, 00:01
And where is Dina?

Probably still lying unconscious in the woods where Ross cold-cocked her.

Oh so just this once, you're choosing to NOT be the pessimistic dickwagon who imediately assumes terrible things are about to happpen? Did I beat you to the punch? HARRUMPH

YOU ARE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE THE ASSHOLE HERE AND I RESENT YOU FOR THAT, GOOD SIR
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Oct 2015, 04:41
I mean that's still pretty bad. Also the whole "Willis said this on Tumblr" thing is kind of a spoiler, but I guess it's too late to unspoil that particular one. But please spoiler tags for anything not in the comic itself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Oct 2015, 14:02
Or Ross has her in the car.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Oct 2015, 14:43
Or Ross has her in the car.

I doubt that. He wants to confront Becky, dragging her girlfriend to the car and shoving her inside would slow him down
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Oct 2015, 17:52
That would depend on just how much of an ass Ross wanted to be.  I wouldn't put it past him to threaten Dina to get Becky to come with him.


Remember, this asshole just chased after her and Dina with a fucking rifle, so I wouldn't put anything past him at this stage.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 14 Oct 2015, 20:08
It's not a matter of putting it past him, it's a matter of it slowing him down so he couldn't catch Becky. Also, I suspect him of not really planning ahead.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Oct 2015, 23:11
You know what's the most tragic part of the 15/10/15 strip? It's obvious that Becky and Joyce really do have good memories of Ross. At some point in their past, he was able to at least appear to be a good man. Now, whatever happens next, those childhood memories will forever be poisoned by the look on his robot-blank face as he pulled out a gun and pointed it at them. That's a real tragedy, in my view.

It's not a matter of putting it past him, it's a matter of it slowing him down so he couldn't catch Becky. Also, I suspect him of not really planning ahead.

I'd go one step further: Ross may be a control freak; things running out of his control is driving him crazy. He literally can't think about anything except regaining control; nothing else matters. That makes him all the more dangerous because he's basically having a psychotic episode and is capable of doing almost anything and the consequences and realisation of what he has done won't hit him until later.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Oct 2015, 23:24
OK, now I just wanna see someone take this asshole down HARD
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 15 Oct 2015, 03:28
Times like these where I'm glad I support Willis on Patreon, cause of the preview.

Or not ?! Because it's just getting WORSE AND WORSE.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Oct 2015, 03:35
I can't see this ending except as a tragedy. The tragedy will be that Becky's last memory of her father alive will be the look of self-righteous hatred in his eyes when he decides to kill her, a split-second before the Bloomington police shoot him dead.


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Thank you for the fact-checking, cesium133, albeit presented in a sarcastic tone.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 15 Oct 2015, 03:45
I highly doubt that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 15 Oct 2015, 05:48
I can't see this ending except as a tragedy. The tragedy will be that Becky's last memory of her father alive will be the look of self-righteous hatred in his eyes when he decides to kill her, a split-second before the Bellwood police shoot him dead.
Where is Bellwood, and why are their police in Bloomington?  :roll:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Oct 2015, 05:59
So... Now Ross is pulling a gun out and threatening people in a highly public area on campus. If the Walkyverse is even slightly like the real world, I can't imagine the police are going to be thrilled by this. The SWAT team is already probably rolling. But hey, hey can explain that he wasn't planning on shooting up the school. He was just planning on kidnapping his legally adult daughter after assaulting her girlfriend. At gunpoint. In front of a lot of witnesses.

It could be argued that Dina attacked first. But considering he's been witnessed already hunting after them with a rifle, any lawyer should be able to stick a self defense and fear of her life/protecting others defense against that.

I don't see how this could possibly end well for Ross. Or how he could have expected any of this to go his way. At the best case scenario, even if Becky went along with him at this point the police are going to be talking to him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 15 Oct 2015, 08:00
Well, if Becky does end up becoming an orphan, at least she'll be able to get her personal documents, as well is inheriting any of ToeSD's assets.

Edit:  Spoiler tags used for talking about the previews that Willis posts on tumblr.

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Oct 2015, 23:11
I... Okay, this is new. Does anyone else interpret the 16/10 strip as Ross being developmentally disabled? He really doesn't seem to have thought about the consequences of waving a gun around... It actually seems as a surprise to him that anyone might think it is anything threatening! He actually thinks that he's protecting Becky and that's why he brought a gun! I'm really shocked that I hadn't thought of this possibility before

This gives Becky a whole new dilemma. After all, if her father is a risk to himself and to others if left on his own, how does she take responsibility and mitigate this?

Now I'm sure that he killed Becky's mother. It might have been an accident; he may have just lost control in a moment of rage or passion and, as with this current scenario, just not been thinking stuff through to their logical conclusion. Of course, he could never have done something that horrible of his own free will (and it is quite possible that he has no real useful memories of any thought-process of decision-making on his part that led to that point), so it must be Satan's fault.

Poor Becky! What a situation to be in!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 15 Oct 2015, 23:32
Now I'm sure that he killed Becky's mother. It might have been an accident; he may have just lost control in a moment of rage or passion and, as with this current scenario, just not been thinking stuff through to their logical conclusion.

What is the evidence for any of this? Fundamentalists will use 'Satan' as the one-size-fits-all for any bad thing that happens. In someone with views as ingrained as Toedad's, to say that a loved one was taken away 'by Satan' could mean literally any type of physical or mental illness, as well as addiction. She could have died from the flu and he'd still say that Satan took her away.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Oct 2015, 23:36
I'm just drawing an inference from his personality and behaviour shown to date.


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I've finally worked out. The person who needs to be grounded is Ross. It always was. This was never about Fundamentalism, that was Willis's well-plotted red herring. This is about mental developmental delay and the dangers that can bring to bystanders if a person does not receive the proper care and help.

The clue was in Joyce's shock, not that Ross was threatening them with a gun but that he had a gun at all! However, the first clue was Ross's speech patterns. He sounded a bit odd to me and now I know why. His communications skills reflect his generally low intelligence.

Back home in La Porte, all the men of the congregation know that Ross MacIntyre is a strong, reliable, loving (in a stern way) but ultimately dull-witted and slow man. He's not the sort of man with whom you could trust a lethal weapon and, for that reason, they regularly check to make sure he hasn't bought a gun and the kids all know to tell their parents if they see him with one.

Fortunately, Becky's mother was there; she was always the brains of the operation, really. Who knows what was the basic relationship? The point is that she loved him in a certain way and ensured that he was never left confused and frightened by a world with just a bit too much nuance for him to understand. Because, when a man as strong and slow as Ross gets frightened, they become violent and that could have bad consequences.

Then Becky's mother died but the local community wasn't too worried. The Browns lived nearby and were there to keep Ross grounded; to reassure him when he got confused and stop him from getting frightened and violent. Besides, Becky was going to college soon and, once she'd moved out, more permanent arrangements could be made.

That's when disaster struck. Becky was discovered in a lip-lock with her room-mate. Instead of doing what anyone in La Porte would have known to do - to call Hank Brown and let him explain things to Ross in a way that kept him calm - the Administrators of Anderson did what they were legally required to do and called Becky's parental guardian: Ross.

Ross arrives, confused and upset. As always happened when he was confused and upset, he got aggressive. He started shouting at Becky and manhandling her. He started making promises to 'fix' her, based on a half-remembered conversation with a guy in a bar who claimed that he'd heard homosexuality could be 'cured' by some doctors.

Becky ran but it is quite likely Ross didn't understand the gravity of the situation. To him, it was like the day she smashed that window with her softball and ran away to hide under Joyce's bed. He'd just need to go and fetch her... It might take some effort but that's what is asked of a Christian father. Along the way, he stopped at a gun fair. He knew that Becky was in danger and, like a good Christian father, he wanted to be ready to defend her. To die for her, if necessary.

This is the genius of Willis choosing a Ruger 1v rifle. It looks a lot like a Winchester Plainsman lever action, the sort of weapon someone like Ross might associate with the stereotype of the heroic male defending his family (thanks to Western films and TV shows). However, it is a lot simpler. Basically, Ross was too dull to get a more combat-able weapon; he just got the one that was easiest for him to operate. It's the sort of weapon someone might select who really didn't know guns but just wanted one that fit into a stereotype of 'a good guy's gun' based on it looking like one.

What about the fight with Dina? Well, how would a five-year old boy react if a smaller girl jumped on his back and started scratching him? That's basically what we're dealing with here.

So we come to now. Ross is frightened and confused. All he knows is that he has to protect Becky, no matter the cost. He isn't able to reason effectively enough to realise that he is the threat. So, what Becky has to do is talk him down. Tell him that he doesn't have to die for her; things aren't that bad yet. What she wants from him, what she needs from him is to live for her so she isn't all alone in the world.

She needs him to put down the gun. Give it to Joyce so she can stand guard until the police arrive and take him to where Hank can come and collect him and take him home.

The future? Ross did wrong but, fortunately, it is unlikely that anyone was seriously hurt. A decent lawyer might get him remanded into the Browns' custody. They'll have to sell the MacIntyre house and Ross will probably have to move into their spare room. However, that's a good thing. Living with the Browns means that someone will always be there to keep an eye on him and keep him calm; stop him getting confused and frightened in this way ever again. I can even imagine that he'll be happier not having to live alone but be in a family again and occasionally reading letters from Becky (although they'll likely have to be censored by Joyce or Dorothy to stop her from accidentally triggering him again).

With a little bit of luck and time, Becky may find a woman to marry and a confused but happy Ross (because his little girl is happy and that's what really matters) may give her away at her wedding.

He'll always need someone to ground him but it is unfair to expect Becky to have to do that forever. It's a good thing that she's got friends and an extended surrogate family to help her do so.

As a postscript, I want to confront the charge of "ableism".

I'm not saying that Ross is doing this because he suffers from some kind of developmental delay. What I'm saying is that the combination of that with the intolerant brand of fundamentalism and an aggressive culture that insists that "a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" along with his own immense natural strength all taken together have led to this outcome.

People rightly condemn simplistic narratives for violence like 'inspired by rock music' or 'influenced by violent video games'. The truth is always that each individual has a complex narrative of influences, mental health, triggers and environment that lead them to an outcome. I've just got the feeling that this is the specific set of circumstances that has led Ross to this place and time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: KingOfIreland on 16 Oct 2015, 04:01
That's an awfully detailed account of something that may not be true, but it's a nice theory.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Oct 2015, 05:24
"Awfully detailed" is kind of Benergy's thing. I'm just glad it's positive this time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Oct 2015, 11:13
This will not end well.


Pessimistic I know, but considering how close to real life this comic can get on occasion, I have expectations of this going horribly pear shaped.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Oct 2015, 21:53
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Post by: cesium133 on 16 Oct 2015, 22:49
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Post by: Loki on 17 Oct 2015, 00:20
She might try slipping hints anyway. "Dad, I haven't eaten all day. Can we please drive to that KFC at the next road exit to <insert city>?"
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Post by: Welu on 17 Oct 2015, 00:43
Fuck, that third panel hurts me.
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Post by: Pilchard123 on 17 Oct 2015, 02:00
What's love GPS got to do with it?
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Post by: bhtooefr on 17 Oct 2015, 03:40
The phone's location is sent to 911, so police know where it is.

In any case, there's two valid strategies here.

The first is Becky's agreeing to get in the car - this will de-escalate the situation, and the police are still going to get involved now that this has happened.

The other is one that I've thought of from the commenters on DoA's site pointing something out, but it requires them getting the gun's model correct - apparently it's a Ruger Model 1V, which is a single shot weapon. Basically, Ross just wasted his one shot, and would take a significant time reloading the weapon - meaning, effectively, it's just a club, not a gun, right now, if someone were to charge him. And now I'm wondering if Becky knows that (note her being the only one not taking any sort of cover against the shot), and is planning on doing something by getting close to Ross.

Edit: OK, reading through the comments there, they noticed that he reloaded it in panel 3. So, nope, he's still got a gun, not a club.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: KingOfIreland on 17 Oct 2015, 04:10
It's not like the police need GPS to track a phone, though. With cell tower triangulation alone they can get a pretty accurate position
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Oct 2015, 05:44
I'm puzzled why Ross has his eyes closed when he's firing his gun. One possibility is that he has just near missed his own face. The message to Becky is this - "Co-operate or the next one goes in through the bottom of my jaw and out of the top of my skull". Worse, I don't think that it is emotional blackmail. If he doesn't get what he wants...? Well, he's childish enough to 'take his ball and go home' in the most absolute terms imaginable.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Oct 2015, 05:50
Uh, no. He was holding the receiver end up near his face. It was quite loud, he probably closed his eyes out of reflex. He may not be used to firing guns. Joyce was genuinely surprised that he owned one. It's possible that before he started this trip to find Becky that he didn't. I'm more surprised by all the people just milling around the fountain when a guy with a gun is screaming at two girls. Or at least talking angrily. It took the gunshot to make them react instead of people starting to back the heck away once they saw the gun.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Oct 2015, 06:08
I'm more surprised by all the people just milling around the fountain when a guy with a gun is screaming at two girls. Or at least talking angrily. It took the gunshot to make them react instead of people starting to back the heck away once they saw the gun.

Typical modern people - Don't look at and don't care about anything not immediately affecting them. The first time most of them realised he had a gun... or was even there was when he fired.
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Post by: 94ssd on 17 Oct 2015, 06:51
I'm more surprised by all the people just milling around the fountain when a guy with a gun is screaming at two girls. Or at least talking angrily. It took the gunshot to make them react instead of people starting to back the heck away once they saw the gun.

I'm not. I'm in a theatre for social change class where we recently did invisible theatre projects (think of "What Would You Do," except you don't actually tell other people it's a performance, unless you have to prevent the police being called or something). People are really, really unobservant, especially when they're walking to class.
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Post by: cesium133 on 17 Oct 2015, 07:00
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Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Oct 2015, 07:26
I'm more surprised by all the people just milling around the fountain when a guy with a gun is screaming at two girls. Or at least talking angrily. It took the gunshot to make them react instead of people starting to back the heck away once they saw the gun.

I'm not. I'm in a theatre for social change class where we recently did invisible theatre projects (think of "What Would You Do," except you don't actually tell other people it's a performance, unless you have to prevent the police being called or something). People are really, really unobservant, especially when they're walking to class.
I hope you don't film those. Filming people without their permission is kinda shitty.
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Post by: 94ssd on 17 Oct 2015, 10:13
I'm more surprised by all the people just milling around the fountain when a guy with a gun is screaming at two girls. Or at least talking angrily. It took the gunshot to make them react instead of people starting to back the heck away once they saw the gun.

I'm not. I'm in a theatre for social change class where we recently did invisible theatre projects (think of "What Would You Do," except you don't actually tell other people it's a performance, unless you have to prevent the police being called or something). People are really, really unobservant, especially when they're walking to class.
I hope you don't film those. Filming people without their permission is kinda shitty.

No. I was only using the show as an example because it's the only one people recognize. I'd encourage you to do some reading on actual invisible theatre. It's not about tricking or embarrassing people.

The point though, is that college students were extremely unresponsive to situations involving theft, depression, and even domestic abuse. Granted, this situation is a lot more extreme. But I'm just saying it's not unthinkable for people to not be very good at noticing things, especially since the people who did notice the gun in the last panel may have run away.

What I'm surprised at is, assuming people have been calling the police, the alarms and cell phone alerts haven't started going off already. Even if the police take a few minutes to catch up as Ross moves around campus, in the post-Virgina Tech era colleges, especially very large ones like IU, have alert systems that can be activated instantly as soon as a call like that comes in.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 17 Oct 2015, 11:57
Humans are notoriously bad at noticing things they are not expecting to see. We literally can't see things directly in front of us if our attention is on something else, even in line of sight.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Oct 2015, 13:50
Shit.  Bad idea I think

I think the Cops should turn up next.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 17 Oct 2015, 18:30
Pretty sure Amazi-Girl is gonna show up soon.  Joyce told Becky (http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/01-to-those-whod-ground-me/hivis/) she was going to get some help, and she's had A-Girl's number since the Whiteboard Ding-Dong Bandit incident, and probably thinks a masked vigilante will be helpful in this situation.  Of course, that was before Ross showed up with a gun...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 17 Oct 2015, 19:38
Not sure what it's worth, but there's a reason you never point your gun to the sky in a populated area.

Gravity.

Even if we get Ross to cooperate and leave quietly, there's potential damage imminent.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Oct 2015, 20:14
Yeah, I wonder where that bullet's gonna land.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 17 Oct 2015, 21:44
Fuck.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 17 Oct 2015, 22:31
Becky sacrificed herself for Joyce.  Otherwise, if someone is trying to force you into a car at gunpoint, even in a public place, you fight them tooth and nail, 'cos at least that way, you'll die more quickly.  She knows that whatever happens to her, it will not be good.  But at least Joyce will be safe.  I don't know if I could have done that for anyone.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Oct 2015, 22:46
Damn!!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Oct 2015, 01:01
I'm pretty sure that Becky is doing this so she can get him out of the crisis zone and talk him down without him freaking out about his imminent "heroic last stand" and it impairing his already-weak reasoning skills. I just wonder how often Becky and her mother have had to do this in the past and whether others (like Joyce's parents) knew about it?

Isn't it odd that I'm the optimist today? :wink:
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 18 Oct 2015, 05:40
Speaking of that bullet: I'm pretty sure that's a shotgun, which should mean that there's no bullet but rather pellets which slow down enough so there's no damage when they fall back down (which is why shotguns are used for hunting, a sport which involves a lot of shooting in the air!).
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Post by: hedgie on 18 Oct 2015, 06:14
Well, that, and hitting any bird that isn't flightless with a rifle would be quite a challenge.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 18 Oct 2015, 08:42
if someone is trying to force you into a car at gunpoint, even in a public place, you fight them tooth and nail, 'cos at least that way, you'll die more quickly.

Ergh. This is dangerously ambiguous advice. A brief search for "what to do if you are taken hostage" points to this guide:
http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-an-Abduction-or-Hostage-Situation
which basically says to behave depending on the situation. (Incidentally, the advice given there matches advice handed out by official institutions).
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Oct 2015, 09:07
The biggest difference between this situation and say, a random kidnapping is that it's unlikely that Ross is taking Becky away to be physically harmed. If you think someone is grabbing you to take you some place where they can do much worse or that you may never be seen again then yes, fight for everything you can. Because if you let your attacker control your environment it will become much more difficult to escape. Becky going along with her dad is best of bad choices here. Letting him stay and get more wound up was going to end up with someone getting shot. Either Ross will fire the next shot at someone, or the police will show up. And it's pretty likely that Ross is so far gone at this point that nobody was going to be talking him down. Becky going with him for now will let him calm down off his adrenaline high and maybe think a little more calmly and rationally. Also she (and we) still don't know what happened to Dina. It seems unlikely that she wouldn't have set off for the fountain as soon as Ross left, if she were able.

The situation now is bad, and will get worse if Ross can get Becky home and isolate her. I wouldn't put it past him to lock her up until she 'saw the light and returned to Jesus'. But at least right now the immediate danger of someone being shot has been stopped.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Oct 2015, 09:23
A horrifying thought... we still don't know where Dina is, and as Neko_Ali said,  if Dina were able, she'd go to the fountain.  I had been wondering what Ross was going to say to Dina after "I should..." His plan may be to force her to go to gay camp along with Becky to cure them both.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 09:31
He did say that he hadn't hurt anyone. I think he's a terrible person, but I didn't think he was lying about that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Oct 2015, 09:32
Becky should still have Dina's phone and Ross doesn't know but unless he takes his concentration off Becky, she won't have much chance to use it. I'd also guess if Ross found it, he'd break or chuck it. As mentioned earlier, if Dina's phone has its location on, Dina can probably track it using Find My Phone functions so it won't be up to Becky alone, even if it feels like that.

Although at this point, Becky might feel leaving could be too dangerous for herself and other people even if she gets the chance.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 09:36
I'd say staying is considerably more dangerous.
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Post by: cesium133 on 18 Oct 2015, 09:38
He did say that he hadn't hurt anyone. I think he's a terrible person, but I didn't think he was lying about that.
He wouldn't necessarily be lying. He's large enough he could simply pick her up and stuff her in the trunk of the car...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Oct 2015, 09:58
I'd say staying is considerably more dangerous.

True but it's a common feeling in an abusive relationship, whether it's romantic or parental or otherwise, that it becomes the Abused's responsibility to cover and protect others. (Obviously not saying this should be the case, I'm saying that being in abusive situation fucks you up, to grossly oversimplify it.) Becky's seen how far her father is willing to go and she might not want to risk putting her friends in danger again, even if it means the chance getting herself out of it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Oct 2015, 11:29
SPOILER about Dina (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/131265907762/january-28-2016-rest-easy) from Willis's tumblr.  Try not to click it, I dare you.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Oct 2015, 11:30
SPOILER about Dina (http://dumbingofage.tumblr.com/post/131265907762/january-28-2016-rest-easy) from Willis's tumblr.  Try not to click it, I dare you.
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Post by: Gladstone on 18 Oct 2015, 11:40
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Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 11:51
Staying strong...not easy.
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Post by: Gladstone on 18 Oct 2015, 18:20
Staying strong...not easy.

Ugh, I just increased my monthly donations on Willis's Patreon account, which means I get to see tomorrow's comic a day early, but he just posted the next comic after tomorrow's, so now I got nothing to read for the next two days.  Beginning to understand your spoiler-aversion.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 18 Oct 2015, 18:26
That's one reason (aside from me just being cheap  :roll: ) that I never bothered with Patreon. Yeah, you get to see tomorrow's comic early, but that effectively just means you get two comics in one day, and then if you cancel your Patreon account you have to wait an extra day for the next comic. I don't really consider it worth it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Oct 2015, 18:33
I originally just chipped in a few bucks to see the two monthly bonus strips, and donated a few dollars to Jeph when he offered bonus comics as well, but I'm starting to like DoA more than QC (and Jeph's only posting bonus strips if his Patreon goes over ten grand a month, which it hasn't lately, so what's the point?), so I stopped supporting Jeph and upped my donations to Willis instead.  Maybe I'll lower the amount by a dollar just to avoid early comics...
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Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 18:59
How much do you need for Willis's to see a day early? If it's a dollar a month I'd consider it, otherwise...eh.

Or maybe I could just befriend someone who gets the strip a day early and have them send it to me. But even then, yeah, once I see the first "future" one, I'm still waiting a day for the next strip like usual.
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Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Oct 2015, 19:09
https://www.patreon.com/dumbingofage?ty=h

$5 a month. $1 gets you the twice monthly Patreon-only bonus strips.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 19:12
See, those actually seem more valuable, the extra four just gets you stuff a day early, the first dollar gets you stuff you'd never get.

If you sign up for the dollar level, is there a way to see the bonus strips from the past?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 18 Oct 2015, 19:25
Yeah,  all the bonus strips are archived. 

I wasn't really thinking early comic = bonus when I decided to donate more.  $5 seemed like a decent amount, is all.  I'm just annoyed that I looked ahead two days.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Oct 2015, 19:52
Just became a $1 patron. I figure I'll look at all the bonus strips when I finish It's Walky/Joyce and Walky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ankhtahr on 18 Oct 2015, 20:42
My "trick" is that I'll just sometimes forget about reading the comic, and then I'll just read up on the main page. That way I can have an additional day in the most crucial moments!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 18 Oct 2015, 20:57
It certainly doesn't help when it's an arc like this.  The last thing I want to see here is Becky being sent to one of those anti-gay concentration camps.  Hopefully, if he *did*, he'd have to cross state lines and have the Feds ensure that he'd never again draw a free breath.

and Jeph's only posting bonus strips if his Patreon goes over ten grand a month, which it hasn't lately, so what's the point?), so I stopped supporting Jeph and upped my donations to Willis instead.

At this point, I'm not even thinking of the "perks" that Jeph has offered.  I haven't seen that monthly music column, for one.  The main reason I'm still tossing him some dosh is that I adamantly refuse to disable my adblocker.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Oct 2015, 00:48
I think that we're about to find out just what strength is in Joyce Brown. I also think that we're going to find out if the formidable warrior that existed in the Walkyverse lives on in some small way in her.

"Sal, I need you to give me a ride on your bike. Before you say 'no' again, this time the alternative is me rendering you unconscious and stealing it."

P.S.
Having long been a fan of the character of Susan Ivanova in Babylon 5, I think that, with suitable modifications this quote (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517633/quotes?item=qt0433687) would be ideal for Joyce to use when she catches up with Ross and, on Sal's bike, drives him off of the road.

Quote
"Who am I? I am Joyce Brown, Christian, daughter of Hank and Carol Brown. I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to La Porte, Mr McIntyre! I am death incarnate, and the last living thing that you will ever see. God sent me."

Or maybe... Y'know, I know that some people don't like my speculative writing jaunts but this one really fits and I wonder if, no matter how much they'd deny it, some fans (especially those who came to DoA via the Walkyverse) would like to see it.

SCENE: JOYCE is standing with AMAZI-GIRL on the dorm building roof.

JOYCE: "I just... I just can't stop worrying about Becky!"

AMAZI-GIRL: "Your sister in all-but-blood has been taken. You cannot do anything to alter this for now. Set it aside."

JOYCE: "But how? How am I supposed to concentrate on anything when all I feel is this... hate?"

AMAZI-GIRL: "You hide it away from the world." ((AMAZI-GIRL holds out a dull sunset orange mask to JOYCE)) "With this."

Yeah, ripped off from The Mask of Zorro (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120746/). Brilliant film and the scene fits into Joyce's situation right now so well. I really doubt that Willis intends to go that way with this. Despite every weird thing in it, Dumbing of Age is actually quite real-world in most ways. That doesn't stop the Mystery Man fanboy in me geeking out at the thought of Amazi-Girl starting a sort of Legion of the Wronged from her classmates.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Oct 2015, 09:55
BenRG, see, that's not an evil speculative writing jaunt. That is a fun potential future. I can appreciate that.

I don't think it's likely, but when I started reading it, especially with the disclaimer, I felt certain it would end horrifically. I was pleasantly surprised. I am okay with the unlikely potential of her taking on the part of Amazigirl 2.0/Amazigirl's sidekick.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Oct 2015, 11:22
"Give in to your feelings my young apprentice and your journey to the dark side will be complete."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Oct 2015, 21:05
Called it, kinda.  Just forgot that Joyce only had "Roll, Perfect Cinnamon"'s number, not Amazi-Girl's
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Oct 2015, 21:07
Who is Perfect Cinnamon Roll again?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Oct 2015, 21:09
Dorothy. And somebody is gonna get a whupping. Or shot. possibly both. On the other hand, Ross probably doesn't have the gun close at hand while driving, so there's that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Oct 2015, 21:30
Oh...why is she called Perfect Cinnamon Roll?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 19 Oct 2015, 22:00
Oh. Oh no. Amazigirl, I hope to god you have a plan. He has a gun, yeah, but equally or possibly more important, he is in a car. The gun isn't even necessary to kill you.

I am nervous for her. I expect she should triumph, but I struggle to imagine it will be easy.

In other news, it amuses me that Joyce's best friend has so quickly become Dina's property. She is now Dina's Becky
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 19 Oct 2015, 22:31
To Amber she is, yeah. Dina is Amber's room mate and friend, so it make sense that she thinks of Becky in those terms.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 19 Oct 2015, 22:33
Oh...why is she called Perfect Cinnamon Roll?

It's an Onion article (http://www.theonion.com/article/beautiful-cinnamon-roll-too-good-for-this-world-to-35038) that later turned into a Tumblr meme to describe favorite characters.  Or something.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Oct 2015, 00:00
Well, I didn't actually think that Willis would take this route? Is this the moment when Amazi-Girl finally meets her match with a real-world villain out of her normal league... Or is this the moment when Amber finally realises just what that mask and that costume can do to help others?

One way or another... This is the day of her Destiny.

Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Oct 2015, 04:44
Oh...why is she called Perfect Cinnamon Roll?

It's an Onion article (http://www.theonion.com/article/beautiful-cinnamon-roll-too-good-for-this-world-to-35038) that later turned into a Tumblr meme to describe favorite characters.  Or something.
Yeah, but how would Joyce know about Tumblr? Does Joyce tumble?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 20 Oct 2015, 04:58
So, one thing that the comments over on DoA have come up with...

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Post by: Schmee on 20 Oct 2015, 05:33
Yes, but they also came up with this:
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/292c8de08db79fdc4f7f5c94022dfd2f/tumblr_nwg60oD2lp1r39mnbo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Oct 2015, 07:02
So, one thing that the comments over on DoA have come up with...

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This is what I was thinking will probably happen, but I didn't say it for fear I'm prescient. On the other hand, it's still a future unknown, so it's a bit soon to be screeching 'DAMN YOU, WILLIS' over a thing that might not happen at all, and probably won't play out in the most obvious manner
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Post by: Kugai on 20 Oct 2015, 15:02
Either way, this week is gonna end with a bang I think
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Post by: cesium133 on 20 Oct 2015, 15:22
So, one thing that the comments over on DoA have come up with...

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Oct 2015, 17:07
Argh, so many posts I can't read :p
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 20 Oct 2015, 21:07
Yep, she got a death wish.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 20 Oct 2015, 23:37
All I can say about  today's strip (21/10) is that this is a very bad moment for Amber to be having a Blaine flashback.

That said, the Ruger 1v is a slow-loading single-shot hunting rifle. Even assuming that Ross thinks to grab it when Amber reaches them, he's going to have, at most, one shot before this turns hand-to-hand.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 21 Oct 2015, 21:19
Oof. It would be really anticlimactic for Amazigirl's daring rescue attempt to end with her slamming into a tree thanks to an innopportune right turn
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Oct 2015, 04:54
Damn you Willis, indeed, it that happens.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 22 Oct 2015, 07:45
After the dramatic interlude, now Willis is going Looney Tunes.  :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Oct 2015, 12:19
Well, I think I know who winds up in the Emergency Dept. now.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Oct 2015, 12:29
God damn it, Kugai.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 22 Oct 2015, 21:18
As expected, the filth are more concerned about shots being fired than a young woman being kidnapped by an abusive piece of shite.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Oct 2015, 21:29
NOW the rozzers turn up?

*Eyeroll*

Great detective skills there guys.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Oct 2015, 23:07
Considering it's been at best a few minutes since Ross shot into the air, I think that's pretty fast reaction time. If they were responding to a call about a guy running through the woods with a gun chasing a couple of girls, they started in the wrong area, and probably got diverted towards the fountain after the shot. Which is the latest information they have. And considering they think they have an active shooter to deal with, it's understandable they would give Amazi Girl a slide. More important issues and all that. They have no idea they're driving right by the shooter and his kidnapping victim.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Oct 2015, 00:11
Oh well, looks like (at least for now), it's going to be up to Amber to sort this out. The police seem to be in an unfortunate loop of racing around and only arriving at a location after the party has moved elsewhere.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Oct 2015, 04:47
As expected, the filth are more concerned about shots being fired than a young woman being kidnapped by an abusive piece of shite.

Can you blame them? I know if I were calling the police, it would be about the fucking maniac with a gun; I probably wouldn't have heard nor given a shit about his motivation or escape vehicle. I would be a bit shaken with terror at my potentially upcoming doom, you know? I doubt anyone on the phone thought to mention Becky. The police aren't ignoring the abusive situation to stop a potentially murderous one, they're driving past an especially stressed-looking father-daughter duo on their way to investigate a shooting.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 23 Oct 2015, 21:46
GODDAMMIT THERE ARE NEARLY 24 FULL FUCKING HOURS UNTIL THE NEXT UPDATE AND I DO NOT WISH TO WAIT GODDAMMIT WILLIS WHY. WHY ARE YOU GREAT
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 23 Oct 2015, 22:19
Trust me, even those of us who are Patreon subscribers are champing at the bit for the next one.  This arc is pretty much a nail-biter.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 24 Oct 2015, 00:21
So... Sal is responding to her concern that Amazi-Girl will dangerously escalate this situation by enabling Joyce to do so instead. Well, she wouldn't be human if she didn't apply different rules to people who she likes!

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Post by: ChaoSera on 24 Oct 2015, 00:54
I think you are all missing the most important part. Joyce just cursed.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 24 Oct 2015, 05:53
Twice, no less. Seeing your best friend in mortal danger can change a person.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 24 Oct 2015, 06:36
I think you are all missing the most important part. Joyce just cursed.

And she took the lord's name in vain.
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Post by: bhtooefr on 24 Oct 2015, 08:18
And, as the comments over there pointed out, as far as things go for Joyce, "god damned" is likely a far worse swear than "fuck", because of the way that it takes the lord's name in vain.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 24 Oct 2015, 09:36
And, as the comments over there pointed out, as far as things go for Joyce, "god damned" is likely a far worse swear than "fuck", because of the way that it takes the lord's name in vain.

Oh, it is.

I've heard it argued in church that 'fuck,' in context, isn't necessarily sinful because it's a word being used to describe a process God has signed off on, and the same for 'shit,' etc. but GD has always been untouched. 'Damn,' as a whole, is hard to defend, as it suggests that we humans have power over that realm of being.

It's not a commonly heard argument, but there's people who think that way.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 24 Oct 2015, 14:14
A wild and wacky chase is about to ensue.  And Joyce is without a helmet.


As for her swearing, I think the floodgates on that have been opened by this whole mess.
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Post by: Gladstone on 24 Oct 2015, 15:41
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Post by: bhtooefr on 24 Oct 2015, 21:06
Well, I think we're about to see a motorcycle crash, based on the pitch angle of that motorcycle.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 25 Oct 2015, 00:48
Am I the only one who, considering Joyce's recent behaviour and dialogue, think that this is starting to read like the origin story of a masked adventurer/costumed heroine?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Oct 2015, 07:51
She won't bother with a mask or a costume.
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Post by: Kugai on 25 Oct 2015, 13:10
Music for Sal and Joyce to ride by   :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge6fmIfzVug
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 25 Oct 2015, 22:04
With Becky strapped-in, I almost *hope* that there is a crash, just so ToeSD can fly right through the windscreen and Amazigirl pulls off a fancy jump over the car.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Oct 2015, 00:08
I figure that Becky is about to do something. I'm not sure what but, in the end, she's just wanted to avoid anyone getting hurt. The window to end this in a way that no-one ends up seriously injured is closing fast and I suspect that she's going to try something random and potentially dangerous.

[edit]
So, anyway, Willis has put up some preview art on Tumblr
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Post by: Kugai on 26 Oct 2015, 13:43
This is looking more and more like the DoA version of the Matrix Reloaded chase scene

I wonder if Becky's about to do something majorly crashworthy.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Oct 2015, 13:45
I hope not.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Oct 2015, 21:07
Uh oh. I feel as though the fecal matter might become corporeal, if you catch my drift.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Oct 2015, 21:08
And collide with a system of blades designed for moving air.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 26 Oct 2015, 23:41
We're already chest deep in and sinking steadily for some time.
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Post by: ankhtahr on 26 Oct 2015, 23:54
The manure is definitely hitting the windmill. This can't end well for Amazigirl.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Oct 2015, 00:08
It's sort of sad, really. Ross has this hard-wired impression of what a 'woman' is and what she looks like and he literally can't bear Becky being anything else. It really is control freakery taken to the ultimate degree.

Meanwhile, Amazi-Girl seems to have pulled something out of one of her costume pouches.

This can't end well for Amazigirl.

It may not end well for anyone currently speeding down the road. You see... What is she looking at in such a shocked manner? It's highly unlikely that she's noticed Ross looking at her in the mirror. The possibility of an oncoming 18-wheeler that Ross missed because of his current preoccupations leaps to mind!
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Post by: cesium133 on 27 Oct 2015, 08:10
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Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Oct 2015, 08:37
Is that speculation or an ACTUAL spoiler? A request for everyone to actually specify so people know which are safe to read.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Oct 2015, 08:43
It's relating my speculation from earlier to events in today's comic.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Oct 2015, 08:53
Is that speculation or an ACTUAL spoiler? A request for everyone to actually specify so people know which are safe to read.

I would argue that it isn't a spoiler as it is in the current strip.

Got to admit that I missed that one! My eyes tend to snap to the speech bubbles, so I miss little things like that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Oct 2015, 09:08
It does make sense. Becky tapped something around waist level 3 times while distracting Ross. That could have been dialling 911, or trying to anyway. Then she loudly started talking about what just happened, essentially explaining that her father just kidnapped her at gunpoint from the school. It's a risky move doing that, because if the 911 dispatcher started talking first or Ross heard a dialtone it would be over and he'd take the phone away. But she was also trying to distract him from Amazi-girl following.

Ross needs some serious help and intervention though to see how destructive his world view is being to his family. The question being will he actually listen to anyone instead of just assuming he's right because god is on his side.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Oct 2015, 10:02
Benergy, I didn't know that since I didn't look earlier in case it was a spoiler.

Interesting though! I didn't notice either!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Oct 2015, 14:24
Missed that myself actually till you pointed it out.  I would say she has dialled 911 at this stage and Ross spying Amazi-Girl is only going to make him stop and start waving that damned gun around again I think, which is only going to escalate the situation if that's the case.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 27 Oct 2015, 21:13
AMAZI-GIRL NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Oct 2015, 21:24
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit



That is all.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Oct 2015, 21:27
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit



That is all.

I would second this, and by seconding, I mean double. This is some shit that's about to be happening.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 27 Oct 2015, 21:32
Seriously, though, was that red car in the same lane?  Just...closely following a car that was merrily pulling a skateboarding costumed superhero behind it?  What the heck?  I mean, I know they're on/near a college campus, but you see what looks like some college kids pulling weird shit like that, don't fucking tailgate, all right?

RIP Amber/Amazi-Girl.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 27 Oct 2015, 23:04
Seriously, though, was that red car in the same lane?  Just...closely following a car that was merrily pulling a skateboarding costumed superhero behind it?  What the heck?  I mean, I know they're on/near a college campus, but you see what looks like some college kids pulling weird shit like that, don't fucking tailgate, all right?

RIP Amber/Amazi-Girl.

Wait, what does Amber have to do with this? *laughtrack.mp3*
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Oct 2015, 00:08
Ouch. This is going to hurt. I also suspect that the fight in between Becky and Ross will lead to a crash.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 28 Oct 2015, 02:19
I wish I could say I didn't see this coming.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2015, 05:14
What the fuck, Willis?
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Post by: cesium133 on 28 Oct 2015, 21:04
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RIP Amazi-Girl, though.  :cry:
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Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Oct 2015, 21:05
Oh. Oh fuck. Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck everything is awful and tense and goddammit Willis
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2015, 21:05
Well...maybe.

Good catch on the 911 though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Oct 2015, 21:09
I think, at least, this is the end of Amazigirl for the simple fact that the secret's going to be out after this. Death, doubtful.
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Post by: cesium133 on 28 Oct 2015, 21:13
I was exaggerating a bit, after all
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Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2015, 21:15
Ok, are those actual spoilers or are you fucking with me?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Oct 2015, 21:18
Technically it is a spoiler that Willis posted in a comment in a comic, but I think it may have already been mentioned in the thread anyway, so I guess I probably didn't need to put it in a spoiler tag.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Oct 2015, 21:26
A Willis spoiler is still a spoiler, so you're right to spoiler tag it.

I looked this time though because damn it. That being said, just because Willis says something it doesn't mean anything until it's in the comic itself, I guess.
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Post by: hedgie on 28 Oct 2015, 21:57
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Post by: BenRG on 29 Oct 2015, 00:19
Ross is clearly gone into a full psychotic episode here. The real danger now is that he may decide that Becky is 'irredeemable' and he'll try to kill her for 'betraying' him.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Oct 2015, 08:04
He has been pushed to serious crazy time rage. At least we know there are two police cars near by. The question is did anyone hang around long enough at the fountain to give a description of the car Ross was driving? Or point out that Amazi-Girl was chasing them to put two and two together. Seeing as how Joyce took off with Sal and are about the escalate the situation even further than it already is... Hopefully the gun is not somewhere he has easy access to. The police dispatcher by now certainly has enough information recorded to make an arrest on Ross. Hopefully some time in jail and seeing a therapist will help before he does something even more serious.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 29 Oct 2015, 11:39
And maybe a Haloperidol drip for a good long while in a padded room.  I don't think that just a therapist would be enough for someone who has so thoroughly lost the plot.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Oct 2015, 12:59
BOOM!!

Ross is heading for a rubber room at the least.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Oct 2015, 21:07
Alright, Amber! :wow:

(And well done driver for answering the call to heroism)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 29 Oct 2015, 21:07
Amber is officially half-Terminator.  It makes me happy to say that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: sitnspin on 29 Oct 2015, 23:02
I was hit by a car while skateboarding recently. It's amazing what you can shrug off in the moment, and how sturdy the human frame can be. It hurt like hell later due to bruising and swelling. Didn't break anything, though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Oct 2015, 00:19
I'm really hoping that the events of today (in-universe) are the start of the healing for Amber. She needs to be able to escape her guilt and fear if she's ever going to have a hope of happiness. I also think that it says a lot about her heart that she "can't fail anybody".

Meanwhile, I'm reliably told that the driver of the red car is based on Willis's wife, Maggie!
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Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Oct 2015, 04:55
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Post by: ankhtahr on 30 Oct 2015, 08:43
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 30 Oct 2015, 09:24
As a request, can we please avoid talking about the next day's strips? Not all of us are Patreon supporters, and can't read into the future. I'm not spoiler adverse, obviously. But it took me a moment to realize that you were talking about the advance viewing and not speculating what might happen tomorrow.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Oct 2015, 09:29
I'd argue that there's different types of spoilers.

Spoiling things based on Willis's statements on Tumblr, in the DoA comments, or in Walkyverse comics is perfectly fine (in a spoiler tag I guess), IMO.

Patreon spoilers, however, are a huge dick move IMO, as they devalue Patreon for those that do pay for it to get early access. (I'm not personally a contributor to Patreon, partially because the early access is basically a one-time reward (one day ahead), and then stopping means you basically get a one-day penalty.)
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Post by: cesium133 on 30 Oct 2015, 09:39
At least make the spoiler description clearer... I clicked it thinking it was speculation about tomorrow.

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Post by: ankhtahr on 30 Oct 2015, 10:12
I'm a little confused. Why would I spoiler speculation? I only use the spoiler tag for real actual spoilers.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 30 Oct 2015, 10:25
If it's straight speculation, that should be grand. The issue is if it's based on Word of Willis or preview panels.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 30 Oct 2015, 10:25
Some of the speculation of late has been around teaser images that Willis has posted on his Twitter account. The information is publicly available, but it was presented without context. So people have been speculating what this future event may mean and who it's going to affect. That's spoiler-worthy speculation.
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Post by: Kugai on 30 Oct 2015, 12:40
Boy this is getting intense.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Oct 2015, 14:36
Some of the speculation of late has been around teaser images that Willis has posted on his Twitter account. The information is publicly available, but it was presented without context. So people have been speculating what this future event may mean and who it's going to affect. That's spoiler-worthy speculation.
Even if it's publicly available, it's still a spoiler. So talking about it without a spoiler tag is very rude. Basically keep your speculation to comics that have "aired," so to speak.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Emoroffle on 30 Oct 2015, 19:07
Hopefully Amber can keep herself and Becky safe until police and/or Sal and Joyce arrive. It's going to take some self-restraint on her part though and she's quite on edge right now.
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Post by: Kugai on 30 Oct 2015, 22:45
And that's when they hit the tree.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Oct 2015, 00:48
Amber's current 'plan' is to flip the car onto its roof, possibly by attaching the grappler line to the re car and getting the driver to sharply swerve away. That's why she wants Becky to brace herself. Right now, this would most likely kill Ross outright. Of course it does seem that he wants to die defending his conception of an ideal family, mostly because death is easier than facing the consequences of his actions in front of the human authorities.

However, Amber doesn't deserve a life on he conscience. This is an ideal moment for Sal and Joyce to zoom up and for Joyce to 'yoink' the gun. Ross would then either be yanked out onto the blacktop (painful but non-fatal) by the fforce of a high-speed grab or get back in the car where he would be knocked out but be far less likely to be killed by Amber's plan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 31 Oct 2015, 04:52
Of course it does seem that he wants to die defending his conception of an ideal family, mostly because death is easier than facing the consequences of his actions in front of the human authorities.

He's thoroughly messed up, yes, but I doubt that he'd think that facing any non-human authorities that he happens to believe in is going to go much better for him.
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Post by: chaospersonified on 31 Oct 2015, 05:02
They are all going to die.
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Post by: Neko_Ali on 31 Oct 2015, 08:56
Of course it does seem that he wants to die defending his conception of an ideal family, mostly because death is easier than facing the consequences of his actions in front of the human authorities.

He's thoroughly messed up, yes, but I doubt that he'd think that facing any non-human authorities that he happens to believe in is going to go much better for him.

See, that's the thing... As far as my reading of this storyline goes, he does think that he's doing god's work. The fact that it's his own twisted and narrow view of it doesn't enter into his mind as far as I can tell. In the space of a few weeks he's gone from 'loving but controlling and emotionally distant father' to 'Satan has a hold of my daughter and I'll kill anybody that tries to stop me fixing her'. He's gone off religious, past extremist and deep into fanatic territory here, if not outright delusional. But to him, what he is doing is the proper and only course of action, and he likely thinks he's the only sane person in this whole situation... as he climbs halfway out of the car he was driving while it's in motion to shoot a girl in costume trying to save the daughter he just kidnapped...

He's not in his right head, and he's looking at multiple felony charges. Even if Becky doesn't pursue kidnapping charges against him, and she probably won't, I can't count the number of other crime's he's committed in the last oh, half hour or so. Right now the best case scenario we are looking at is him spending a lot of time in the near future talking to the police, a lawyer and a psychologist... But he still thinks he's going to be bringing his daughter home to 'save' her from Satan.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: KingOfIreland on 31 Oct 2015, 09:47
My only thought during this comic, as well as every single one for the last few weeks has been 'Well, this can only end badly'.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Oct 2015, 09:54
Even yesterday's?
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Post by: KingOfIreland on 31 Oct 2015, 10:18
All of it
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Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Oct 2015, 10:19
For pretty much every other one I'd agree, but yesterday's seemed to be bringing things to an upswing...until the next day when it wasn't.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Oct 2015, 21:05
The physics going on here make zero sense whatsoever.

A flat right front should cause the car to veer the OTHER direction. And, it won't just go sideways like that except on ice.
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Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Oct 2015, 21:09
Clearly the physics in DoAverse work slightly different than the physics in ours.
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Post by: cesium133 on 31 Oct 2015, 21:17
Physics is overrated anyways.
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Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Oct 2015, 21:52
Although, it was pointed out that negative scrub radius suspension geometry actually would cause that direction of travel. I just didn't think that modern cars had that much negative scrub radius.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Oct 2015, 22:11
Welp, Toedad's dead.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Nov 2015, 00:27
Wow! Amber is seriously prepared for situations like this! I actually think that she's got more than a half-way chance of making this 'costumed adventurer' thing work long-term... assuming that she doesn't get killed.

Now, assuming that he doesn't fall out and get knocked unconscious, the next phase will be Ross trying to take on Amber hand-to-hand. He might be strong but she's obviously got a lot of agility and skill. Even though she's injured, it will put him at a disadvantage. Add on top of that, Amber may not bother, depending on how close the cops are. She may just jump into the trees and vanish, leaving Becky to ask: "Where did that girl in a mask go?"

The physics going on here make zero sense whatsoever.

Physics are always subordinate to story and, mostly, subordinate to the rule of cool. In summary? Don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 01 Nov 2015, 01:02

He's not in his right head, and he's looking at multiple felony charges. Even if Becky doesn't pursue kidnapping charges against him, and she probably won't, I can't count the number of other crime's he's committed in the last oh, half hour or so.

What would those be? Right now I can only count kidnapping (under threat of lethal force), the attempted murder or maybe attempted manslaughter we are witnessing right now, as well as several traffic-related infractions.
Was bringing a gun to a campus a felony per se?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Nov 2015, 01:19
Was bringing a gun to a campus a felony per se?

I'm not sure but I believe that discharging a firearm in a public place without (legally) good reason is a felony in its own right.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Nov 2015, 04:47
That might be irrelevant, since they could all still end up going *splat*.  The big version of panel 4 (http://itswalky.tumblr.com/image/132317194267) is kinda evidence of that.

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Nov 2015, 06:42
Does anyone else see the Raiders of the Lost Ark reference, or am I making that up?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Nov 2015, 06:54
Ha, yeah, it was clear as day. Replace snakes with dads and you've got Amber's line.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 01 Nov 2015, 12:27
The physics going on here make zero sense whatsoever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugebzq3juE
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Nov 2015, 14:44
Well, at least she disarmed Ross
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Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Nov 2015, 21:04
Hoh fuck, now we got a damn 18 wheeler involved, and this is now even more fucked. Somehow. Fuck.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Nov 2015, 23:31
Amazi-Girl's 'To Do' list just keeps getting longer, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Nov 2015, 04:28
That truck is going fast considering it just came around a turn.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Nov 2015, 09:39
The truck is just exiting the freeway: Google Maps link of location of today's comic (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2317143,-86.5407601,3a,75y,357.05h,85.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s3q39rD6tIIei5-qt5aX29g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D3q39rD6tIIei5-qt5aX29g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D131.4201%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)
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Post by: Kugai on 02 Nov 2015, 11:07
Gaaaaa!!!!!!
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Post by: hedgie on 02 Nov 2015, 16:09
Spoilered for Walkyverse stuff that may not apply:

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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Nov 2015, 16:45
How far into the Walkyverse? What comic? What year? (I'm in 2002 of It's Walky!, so I wanna know if it's safe for me to look. I think I know what you're talking about though.)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 02 Nov 2015, 18:38
18 Mar 1999, according to the archive page.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Nov 2015, 18:43
So it was what I thought.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 02 Nov 2015, 21:06
Well...that happened.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Nov 2015, 21:27
Well...that happened.

And it was fUCKING AWESOME
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Nov 2015, 21:31
I mean, it's ludicrous and implausible and totally strains credibility a little bit but I don't even care.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 02 Nov 2015, 21:41
The Rule of Cool must apply here.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Nov 2015, 23:17
I said this on Willis's site but I'll repeat it here: Amber and Sal should invest in a lottery ticket when this is all over. Their luck isn't ever going to be this good again!

Oh, and I really did hear the bit of the Terminator 2 bike chase music when Arnie jumps into the trench in that last panel. Come to think of it, the entire piece was perfect for the entire scene from when Amazi-Girl first started the chase! :-D
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: KingOfIreland on 02 Nov 2015, 23:25
I don't understand how any of these scenes work. It's as if the laws of physics have been rewritten.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Nov 2015, 23:30
I don't understand how any of these scenes work. It's as if the laws of physics have been rewritten.

No, rather, it is that they do not apply except when they are convenient for the author/artist.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 03 Nov 2015, 04:31
I don't understand how any of these scenes work. It's as if the laws of physics have been rewritten.

No, rather, it is that they do not apply except when they are convenient for the author/artist.

Just like in the movies!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Nov 2015, 05:32
I guess we can finally put to bed the Sal is Amazi-girl theory. But wait! "Sal" has her face completely covered. It must be Alfred in an Amazi-disguise!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 03 Nov 2015, 05:52
Sal is Amazi-Girl. She just likes to fight herself in Wal-Mart parking lots.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 03 Nov 2015, 12:16
Holy fucking shit Willis.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 03 Nov 2015, 12:18
Seriously, whoever gave him that cool-aid after Book 2 has just given him an overdose.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT WILLIS.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Masterpiece on 03 Nov 2015, 12:28
THIS IS IT FOLKS IT DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS


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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Nov 2015, 12:37
She actually managed to get the car out of the way of the truck though, holy shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Nov 2015, 12:39
DAMN!!!!


Trinity Sal to the rescue!!!!!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Nov 2015, 21:15
Of course Becky was loving it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Nov 2015, 21:17
Quoting myself from my post yesterday from when this was a preview:

I doubt the toe is going anywhere (except a the inside of a cell), but Amazigirl and (possibly) Sal will check.  Sal will almost certainly be gone as soon as she can smell bacon, and just *maybe* she'll be kind enough to get AG out of there.  I doubt that they'll ever be friends, but wanting to thwart the cops may end up being more important than getting rid of a nuisance every time Sal wants to drink with her friend.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 03 Nov 2015, 21:48
Apparently Sal and Joyce work well together. Could this be the start of a beautiful 'I don't hate you as much as the others"-ship?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Nov 2015, 23:38
I'm thinking that Sal is going to be doing her Sarah impression. Everyone is going to be lauding Amazi-Girl as a hero and Sal's complaints that she 'made things worse' will be ignored or maybe even openly sneered at by Becky. Does Sal ever visibly sulk when she doesn't get her way? I think that we're about to find out.

The irony is, of course, that Sal and Amber are a lot alike. They both know how to carry a grudge, for example. They are also a lot alike in their inflexible judgements and sometimes-hypocritical standards that they rigidly apply to others but not themselves.

SAL: "Sit down, Becky! You've been traumatised!"

BECKY: "This giddy, tingly sensation is trauma? Man! I got to get me more of this!"

SAL: "... For this, I gave up Juvie Hall?"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 04 Nov 2015, 13:50
And thus begain Becky's stunt girl career


If Sal's still there when the cops show up, I'll be surprised.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Nov 2015, 14:01
Oh yeah, she'll be long gone.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Nov 2015, 21:07
Ok, that was cooler than all of Amber and Sal's antics combined.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Nov 2015, 21:08
YES.

JOYCE JOYCE JOYCE JOYCE
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Nov 2015, 21:09
Ok, that was cooler than all of Amber and Sal's antics combined.

Damn straight. Fuck yeah, Joyce
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Nov 2015, 21:22
It's a close crop, but it does look like that Sal already scarpered with AG on the back.  Especially since Joyce was the one to give that megaton punch.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 04 Nov 2015, 23:30
Something tells me that Joyce isn't in the mood to listen to Ross's ravings at this point. She knows all about what can be done with God's strength; that's why he's the one who's a bleeding mess and his car is an insurance claim.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 05 Nov 2015, 05:18
In fact, I wonder if this will turn her away from God... oder reinforce/reshape her believes.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 05 Nov 2015, 06:45
Hell Heck yeah, Joyce!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2015, 06:56
Am I the only one who finds the alternate cuss-words that Joyce and Becky use actually quite cute in a way?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Nov 2015, 11:22
Lights out Ross

Been nice knowin' ya.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Nov 2015, 12:44
Am I the only one who finds the alternate cuss-words that Joyce and Becky use actually quite cute in a way?

They're friggin' adorable, and I think Ross has it right that God is giving someone the power to do something, but he's got the person wrong.

Becky is almost literally correct.

 *Holy punch!*
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Nov 2015, 21:04
Holy good goddamn, Joyce is terrifying in panel 1.

I absolutely understand what she's talking about. I've got places that make me feel that way
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Nov 2015, 21:06
JOYCE MAD!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Nov 2015, 21:51
Joyce smash! She didn't just nail Ross, she laid him out cold... That's some pent up anger she's got there. Which is no surprise, really.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Nov 2015, 23:40
Right now, the one thing that Joyce needs is for Becky to hug her... for her to get hugs from all her friends.  She needs to be reassured that there really are safe places and people that love her and won't casually betray her trust in the name of their own self-interest and desire to control their families.

It's a crying shame that Joyce's memories of her happy childhood and safe home have been so contaminated by the truth of the people who were hiding behind those smiling masks. I suppose (given Willis's own past and the fact that she is somewhat-autobiographical of him) something like this was inevitable. It's still a shame, though; a part of me thinks that a happy childhood should be sacrosanct.

So! Joyce has got her first red panel. I just hope that this isn't the start of her journey down the path that Amber is walking. I also notice that Sal and Amazi-Girl are not anywhere around. I suspect that Sal evacuated Amazi-Girl and they have their own confrontation awaiting them before the end of this chapter.

I notice from the last panel that the police are finally arriving.

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I’ve got this feeling that any anonymity/urban myth status that Amazi-Girl has ever had is going to vanish in the aftermath of this.

I expect that Joyce (wanting to avoid attention aimed at herself) is going to credit everything achieved to Amazi-Girl’s efforts. The result is going to be a copy of the local news-sheet… maybe even the local TV news… running a blurry ‘phone-cam picture of Amazi-Girl riding on the top of Ross’s car and the caption: “Who is this mysterious woman in a mask?” If there are any decent journalists, stories of petty thugs and crooks in the Bloomington area turning up tied to lamp-posts and babbling about a girl in a tan-and-blue costume beating them up will doubtless emerge quickly enough after that. Will they call her a heroine or a threat?

It might be time for the nasty, opinionated talking heads from the Walkyverse to make a return and spew their reactionary, paranoid fantasies about poor Amber across the television screens of Indiana. This may lead to Sal, of all people, becoming her strongest partisan on campus: Anyone who is the target of the scorn of the Establishment is okay by her!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Nov 2015, 05:17
Well remember that the DoA-verse is basically a fictional version of the real world. I expect that Amazi-girl gets the same sort of reaction that real life superheroes get... At mildest people think they're kooks who like to dress up in costume and help out people. At worst they're dangerous and probably mentally unstable and are going to get themselves hurt or killed someday. In truth, Amber is probably closer to the latter than the former. Amazi-girl is just an excuse for her to section off her rage and apply it to people she thinks deserve it. Sometimes she does have moments of noble intent, like saving Becky. But a lot of times she just runs around the area trying to find people committing crimes so she can taunt them into taking a swing at her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Nov 2015, 11:24
Angry Joyce SMASH!!!

Hugs all round there at the end.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Nov 2015, 21:05
For real, AG, I get you got past problems with Sal, but watch the noggin
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Nov 2015, 23:13
I suspect that this is the scene where Amber and Sal confront a mutual demon or two from their shared past.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 07 Nov 2015, 07:08
Is Sal even aware that it was Amber that stabbed her all those years ago?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Nov 2015, 07:37
Is Sal even aware that it was Amber that stabbed her all those years ago?

Fair sure no. I think the recognition only went the one way
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 07 Nov 2015, 11:01
I'm thinking the same thing. 

It's gonna be interesting to see where this goes from here with her and Sal.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Nov 2015, 12:42
Quote from: hovertext
if you're not hearing the fred flintstone skidaddle in panel four you're doin' it wrong

A. I wish there was a way to see the hovertext on a phone.
B. Holy shit I didn't know that was how you spelled "Flintstone". I made duh, it makes sense, but I've never heard that first t pronounced, I've only heard "flinstone" and that's how I thought it was spelled. (I haven't actually seen the show or I guess seen it written down in years, but still)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 07 Nov 2015, 13:07
Touch the area to the left or right of the navigation buttons, it gives you the hovertext.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Nov 2015, 13:21
Holy shit, there's no indication of that. Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Nov 2015, 21:07
Here it comes, I think, some sort of thing where Amazigirl makes reference to that gas station event.

I could be entirely wrong, but that whole 'I'm glad we won't be friends' line seems to me like something that Amber would then have a retort about, and that would continue the conversation. The gas station event is simply a projected possibility; my actual prediction is that there will be more words.

Also, is it just me, or is Sal maybe being sarcastic here out of fear of rejection. It's just a possible way to inflect her sentence at the end that would suggest such a thing.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 07 Nov 2015, 21:43
Sal seems to have moved on with her life far more than Amber/AG has.  That isn't to say that she doesn't have serious issues, including having only one friend (who is too busy much of the time these days), and Joyce is the only other person she seems to have warmed up to.  And that was *maybe* 20 minutes ago.  But Amber/AG is in many ways still living with the robbery and her own father, using the costume to cope.  Even if she *did* save Becky, a lot of it seems to have been less altruism and more her own demons.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Nov 2015, 23:28
I'm really hoping that Sal was perceptive enough to see the girl who was so terrified of her that she backed herself into a tree-trunk has just ducked behind Amazi-Girl for protection. That isn't something that you would expect of someone entirely mentally healthy.

I'm trying to work out why Amazi-Girl seems even slightly interested in the fact that Sal has a criminal record. I mean, Amber watched her being dragged away by the cops at the convenience store job. Either she's disassociating even more or this is her attempt at maintaining her secret identity by not letting Sal that she already knows her on a personal level.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 08 Nov 2015, 00:07
I suppose she didn't think about what the aftermath for Sal might be.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Nov 2015, 08:19
Probably more "good, you deserve everything horrible that happensto you for trying to hurt my friend'. I think Sal does want more friends, especially with Marcy hanging out with other people and not wanting to spend 24/7 with her. Sal has trust issues so huge they wouldn't fit in a tractor trailer though, and an acidic personality to push people away. Here today though she's reached out in her own way to Joyce several times, even putting her own life on the risk to help Joyce, Becky and Amazi-Girl. After all she could have easily let AG go splat on that truck instead of a crazy stupid stunt to try and save her. Then pulled her away before the cops showed up. They would absolutely not have let AG's part in this slide. Sure some might quietly or even openly approve of what she did to save Becky. But in doing so she put so many lives on that road in danger. It was as much dumb luck as anything that nobody is laying on the road broken or dead right now. And then her first reaction when Sal says 'Hey everyone's okay. I saved you and got you away from the cops while you were knocked out' is to pull out the verbal spikes.

It's also all so hypocritical too. Sal was arrested as a kid for trying to rob a store with a knife. Amber was not arrested for stabbing Sal while she was being taken into custody, right in front of the cops. Sal has a harsh temper and rebels against authority. Amber regularly sneaks out in costume and beats people up. Sal is regarded as the mean, dangerous one. Amazi-girl is lauded as a hero. Yeah, all this seems totally fair to me.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Nov 2015, 11:37
I think Amber/Amazi-girl is about to get a fast 'This is your wake-up' here in regards to her beliefs about Sal
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 08 Nov 2015, 11:58
Maybe. Depends if either of them are willing to talk or listen. Equally likely they could both ride/run off in a huff, even more angry at each other than before.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Nov 2015, 21:16
Dang, Sal.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 08 Nov 2015, 21:25
Her indifference is probably hurting Amber more than the concussion is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Nov 2015, 22:32
Now there's an interesting insight into Sal

And Amber just got a BIG kick to the ego and somewhat of a wake-up call
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Loki on 08 Nov 2015, 22:42
When Sal mentioned the saving, I would have expected Amber to be shocked enough to drop out of AG. Instead, it looks like she got more into it :/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 08 Nov 2015, 23:40
So, now we understand Sal's problem with Amazi-Girl. She looks at that other person and she sees herself as a young teen - a troubled personality acting out for attention. She's 100% wrong, of course, but how would she ever know that?

Right now, I'm more worried about Amber's physical health. Sal is too busy storming off in a huff to notice that Amber's injuries are catching up with her.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 09 Nov 2015, 21:11
Oh look, it's that hospital panel we've been obsessing over for weeks.  How about that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Nov 2015, 21:19
The first panel is what he spoiled?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 09 Nov 2015, 21:22
Yeah.  Everyone feared the worst.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 09 Nov 2015, 21:26
Well, considering what we knew, can you blame us? Crazed religious zealot with a rifle was being followed by masked vigilante on a skateboard, ending in a trip to the hospital. Everyone got super lucky in this sequence of events.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Nov 2015, 21:38
I can't blame you for assuming the worst, I can blame Willis for posting a damn spoiler. Sure, he has the right to post what he wants on his tumblr but it's a dick thing to do. I'm glad I don't tumble.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Nov 2015, 21:49
He has been using his tumblr for a *lot* of trolling the readers.  Given where we are in the arc, I shan't spoiler these couple of examples, since these issues have already resolved themselves in-comic.  Since the whole thing with the Toe started, his preview panels from next year didn't have Becky or Amber in them.  This was clearly intentional, just to stir people up.  As was the hospital, and Willis saying that "maybe Walky needed his appendix out" or something along those lines.  Honestly, I think that AG/Amber's interaction with Sal hurt more than the head injury.

Back to the comic, I'm pretty sure that we're at the actual winding-down, since all of the things brought up are, if not resolved, going to be shown in a future arc.  Given the glacial pace at which this comic runs, that may be *quite* a while.  Hell, the Toe may not even face trial for another 5-10 years at this point.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Nov 2015, 23:40
I'm actually most worried about Amber right now; she looked on the verge of collapse in the last panel of yesterday's strip.

Now, I wonder if Dorothy will quickly become insufferable because she's hanging around Joyce, fretting about her 'trauma' and wondering if swearing in a crisis is somehow a precursor of a breakdown.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Nov 2015, 23:58
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Nov 2015, 13:49
I think Dorothy is overreacting


And I'd be surprised if Amber didn't turn up there at Emergency at some stage.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 10 Nov 2015, 18:13
She had better at some point. She got beat around quite a bit during that chase. If she doesn't have at least a concussion from hitting that car I'll be surprised. I'm sure she'll say 'secret identity' and such, but she can always head there some time after everyone else and say she fell off a skateboard. Which is technically true...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 10 Nov 2015, 23:14
I think Dorothy is overreacting

I think that today's strip (11/11/15) answers this quite well. Dorothy really, really was terrified that she'd never see Joyce again and never be able to make peace with her.

It also reminds us that Joyce is as much Dorothy's best friend as Dorothy is Joyce's best friend. Jealous Becky just needs to learn to deal with it and also learn to deal with the fact that not every relationship has romantic and/or sexual underpinnings.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Nov 2015, 07:51
Well to be honestly, Dorothy doesn't have a lot of friends in general. She wasn't really planning on staying at this university long, just until she could transfer to one with a Much More Important Sounding Name. Becoming friends with Joyce and dating Walky was just kind of.. unexpected complications. As far as Becky goes, I think she's dealing with her unrequited crush with Joyce and an attraction to Dorothy.. That and her being Super Duper Out Lesbian to her seems to mean making sexual innuendos whenever she can. Contrasted to what she's actually like around Dina. She's still pretty much has that isolated, repressed upbringing mentality going on.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 11 Nov 2015, 11:23
Get the feeling that Dorothy might just be a leeeetle OCD?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 11 Nov 2015, 12:02
No.. Not really. She's very high strung and sometimes overthinks things to much. But that's not at all the same as OCD.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Nov 2015, 12:12
Thank you!  I would have said something, but I was busy washing my hands.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 11 Nov 2015, 12:58
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7or5ecmr41rter4a.gif)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Nov 2015, 13:56
I actually *do* have OCD, and some pretty serious contamination issues amongst the other stuff going on in my head.  Being able to joke about it is something I actually find quite therapeutic as a sort of "fuck you" to my OCD.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 11 Nov 2015, 14:31
I didn't know you personally dealt with it. I apologise for my quick reaction. The comment, without the knowledge, plus the previous term "a little OCD" bothered me. Finding ways to cope personally is valid and important but I mistook it for the common way people who don't deal with mental illness generalise and mock mental health issues.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 11 Nov 2015, 21:06
Yay, Dina's not dead!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 11 Nov 2015, 21:12
I didn't know you personally dealt with it. I apologise for my quick reaction. The comment, without the knowledge, plus the previous term "a little OCD" bothered me. Finding ways to cope personally is valid and important but I mistook it for the common way people who don't deal with mental illness generalise and mock mental health issues.

No apology needed.  We don't always have context for everything, and I probably would have done the same in your shoes.  I'm just glad that I'm in a place now where I can laugh about it, and shake hands with people and everything.  After I posted that, I actually looked at my hands and realised that they haven't been dry and peeling for a couple of weeks now.  Happy place.

Yay, Dina's not dead!
Most of that sequence, the framing is actually from Dina's perspective.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: ChaoSera on 12 Nov 2015, 00:54
Dina's line made me laugh so hard.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2015, 01:13
I'm expecting Sarah to be all stand-offish, rebuking Joyce for getting herself caught up in others' troubles and doing something crazy like chasing off after a gunman. Then, as soon as they're in private in their room she'll hug her tearfully and sternly order her to tell no-one that this had happened.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 12 Nov 2015, 12:32
Wasn't my intention to offend.  It's just that sometimes Dorothy reminds me of Hannelore from QC with the way she acts.

Maybe Dina should work as an Infiltration Specialist when she graduates.  Good to know she's OK though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 14:18
Hannelore from QC
I looked up other Hannelores, at first to give a smartass "as opposed to Dr. Hannelore von Kamprad from Hitman 2: Silent Assassin?" (the only other fictional one wiki listed). Then I got curious how common a name it was. Out of six real life Hannelores I found, five were German and one was Belgian. The most popular profession is politician.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 16:09
Method, are you suggesting Hanners run for president
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 16:11
Because I would vote for her. 300%

I would steal two peoples' identities for the sole purpose of getting her elected.

Hanners 2016
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 12 Nov 2015, 16:20
Hey, at least she's honest when she says she'll release the virus.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 16:46
Method, are you suggesting Hanners run for president
Would she be eligible (age aside)? Was Station over the US when she was born?

(I know her parents are probably both US citizens making that irrelevant, I'm just having fun with this)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 16:49
Would she be eligible (age aside)?

Please, her mother could pull strings.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 16:55
Fixed your brackets.

Also, as for her mom running for President, I'll quote Lex Luthor, "do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 18:53
I wasn't suggesting Mother Chatham would run, I was suggesting she'd clear legal blockades to her daughter's campaign
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 18:55
Oh, I know, but that quote applies more to her than Hanners (at least for now), and I really wanted to use that quote.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 21:05
Oh, Becky, that is so fucking adorable, it is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 12 Nov 2015, 21:17
Oh, it *is*.

And since I can now post what I posted on Patreon yesterday:

That last bit about getting those cops back in helps deal with the worry that Becky wouldn't be pressing charges.  It very much sounds like if he ever gets out of prison, he'll be using a walker.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 21:26
I guess you could post about Patreon stuff as long as it's in a clearly marked spoiler.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 12 Nov 2015, 21:36
Well, it's not a spoiler, but the comment that I made there, and that I'm only making here after the comic went "live".  It only refers to today's public strip, and the what I had said before that happened.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 22:00
Oh, I know, I'm saying it would've been ok if you'd said that yesterday as long as you'd spoilered it.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 12 Nov 2015, 22:33
Oh, I know, I'm saying it would've been ok if you'd said that yesterday as long as you'd spoilered it.

I know you're not wrong and that it's far from my place to tell a mod what is and isn't okay, but please do not encourage this. I know what the spoiler thing is meant for, and it's entirely on me for clicking to read the post, but the majority on this thread are speculation built around single shots from Willis' teasers, and I'm just so curious what is being said. I can't and won't complain, but it's still nice to not have things actually, legitimately spoiled.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Nov 2015, 22:44
See, the single shots and Willis teasers are still spoilers, and I'm just making sure that people label the spoiler tag with what kind of spoiler it is. (Speculation, Willis-provided or Patreon). Although speculation that's just from already "aired" comics doesn't really need a tag.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 12 Nov 2015, 23:26
Dina sets several bars for cuteness in today's strip. I particularly like her bashful smile in panel 5!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 13 Nov 2015, 04:28
See, I personally think posting Patreon spoilers at all, even tagged, is a dick move towards the artist.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Nov 2015, 04:50
That's the reason I don't do it, and that I wait until a strip goes "live" before copy-pasting the comments that I had made on the early panels.  I still haven't posted about the dialogue changes in certain strips between versions.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Nov 2015, 08:08
Wait, he changes dialogue sometimes?

Also I disagree that you have any obligation to not show people what you get from Patreon. If you get a book and it has extra stuff in it, you'll probably show your friends. How is this any different?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Nov 2015, 08:53
Aye, he does.  Sal's bit with AG changed when AG first woke up.  There are other differences, as well.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 13 Nov 2015, 08:54
Because the advanced Patreon strip is a bonus you get for signing up and subscribing, basically. It's not extras in a book, it's an advanced reward for supporting the artist. If you repost it, you're letting everyone see the advance without paying to do so. It's a kind of skeezy thing to do, both in terms of spoilers and in respect for the artist.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Nov 2015, 09:01
Aye, he does.  Sal's bit with AG changed when AG first woke up.  There are other differences, as well.
Dang. Now I'm glad I don't see the advanced ones if I'd have to end up waiting for the real one.

Edit: Also good point, Neko, I guess I didn't think of it like that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 13 Nov 2015, 13:04
Way to boost Dinas ego there Becky.

And I'm glad to hear they've talked to the cops about what happened. Hope Ross winds up in pokey for this.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 13 Nov 2015, 21:07
Oh, Walky, you fucking idiot. I relate to you so much, right now
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 13 Nov 2015, 21:12
Maybe I'm channelling a certain Big Lebowski character, but all I have to say is "Shut the fuck up, Walky!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 14 Nov 2015, 04:10
"You're out of your element, Walky!"
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Nov 2015, 08:16
If Dorothy had a couch in her and Sierra's room, Walky would be in for couch-time!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Nov 2015, 09:21
I don't get that reference.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 14 Nov 2015, 09:30
I don't get that reference.

What it means is that, to me, Dorothy looks mad enough with Walky that there will probably be a chill between them. Sex is most definitely off the menu until Dorothy gets over her anger.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Nov 2015, 09:34
She looks more mildly embarrassed than mad.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 14 Nov 2015, 11:49
Why is it that Walky never learns to engage his brain before his mouth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 14 Nov 2015, 12:54
Because it's Walky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 Nov 2015, 18:00
it's Walky.
Roll credits!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Nov 2015, 00:01
I think I know what's happening right now in Becky's head. It's irrational, yes; it may even be emotionally self-destructive but she'll probably never be free of a subconscious desire for Ross's approval and the desperate hope that, one day, he'll accept her. He's her father and that makes things complicated, no matter how thoroughly he defiles the role.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 15 Nov 2015, 07:46
I well know the feeling. I spent (wasted) a lot of years trying for my father's approval. Doing things I hated and trying to be someone I wasn't. But no matter what I tried, it just wasn't good enough, and I wasn't happy because I wasn't being true to myself.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Nov 2015, 11:17
Oh, Becky, nothing good can come from this...
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 15 Nov 2015, 13:55
This is not a good idea Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Nov 2015, 19:35
If he stands by what he did, then she knows he's lost to her and has closure. If he apologizes, and means it, then maybe she'll visit him in prison.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 15 Nov 2015, 21:11
fuck off, dad, you pulled this shit.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 15 Nov 2015, 21:20
Edited from my Patreon post on 13 Nov

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I want him to get out of prison as someone too old and decrepit to even *hold* a gun, and sees Becky and Dina happily married, with Dina being a paleontologist, and Becky as an evolutionary scientist.  That'd be the best torture possible.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Nov 2015, 21:29
Since we'll never get past freshman year, as long as Willis never writes something that directly contradicts that into the comic, as far as I'm concerned that's their future.

Edit: Also I wish it wasn't so expensive to get tomorrow's comic. I'm a patron but $60 a year is just too much :/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 15 Nov 2015, 23:27
Becky needed to say those words but, unfortunately, I don't think that there was ever a loving heart to receive them. That's the worst part of this: Her family was always a lie.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 Nov 2015, 23:31
Her mom may have not been so bad.

Either way, I'm just glad Joyce is the autobiographical one and not Becky.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 16 Nov 2015, 08:58
Well, if it was me, Toedad just made it a whole lot easier to continue pressing charges and cutting him out forever.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 16 Nov 2015, 11:27
I had a feeling about Ross

Some people just don't want to learn no matter how much you try to teach them. 
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 16 Nov 2015, 21:03
Fuck yeah. Becky, do the science. You got this.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 16 Nov 2015, 21:15
This made me so happy.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 16 Nov 2015, 21:24
It's too soon to tell if I called it completely, but my speculation seems to be still on track.  What really made it, though, was Becky's smile as she extended those fingers and backed out of the room.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 16 Nov 2015, 23:39
Predicting it now: Becky will cry her eyes out on Dina's shoulder as soon as she's out of line-of-sight and earshot. What makes me say that? Becky's false grin; I've seen her use that one before when she's upset or suppressing her feelings.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 17 Nov 2015, 08:10
I'm with that.. This looks like Becky Bravado going on here. Ross's actions have to cut her to the quick. She just wants her family back. Unfortunately, she has this image of her family that doesn't match what the reality is. That is something she shares with Ross, really. The trouble is their visions contradict each other. In the end, Becky is doing what she has to do. She's made efforts to reach out to her dad, and he refuses unless she submits to what he wants. The exact opposite of unconditional love there. Maybe he'll come around eventually. But Becky at least has some support at the school. Now if only she can get herself established before she gets kicked out of the dorms.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 17 Nov 2015, 13:49
I have to agree.  Yes, she's told Rosstwat to basically go fuck himself, but I get the feeling that the crash is coming for Becky after she gets outta there.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: cesium133 on 17 Nov 2015, 14:41
As a fuckin' scientist*, I think Becky's double-birding of Ross is pretty much the perfect gesture to go along with what she said.

* (okay, fine, non-fuckin' scientist...)
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 17 Nov 2015, 23:46
So, will Carla buy Amber's lame deflection or will curiousity lead her down an unexpected rabbit-hole?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Nov 2015, 05:08
I don't know much about Carla, but would she care enough to investigate?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: 94ssd on 18 Nov 2015, 06:18
Well, if it was me, Toedad just made it a whole lot easier to continue pressing charges and cutting him out forever.

I mean, she doesn't need to press charges. Without Becky being involved at all he has the whole discharging a weapon in public/vehicular assault rap going on. That cop was right, she doesn't ever have to talk to him again if she doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Welu on 18 Nov 2015, 07:01
Ah, I don't know how these matters work in the US specifically or in general.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 18 Nov 2015, 08:21
Essentially, either the victim or the government (locality, state, or federal) can press charges. For some crimes, the victim has to do it, for other crimes, the government can do it.

There's some crimes that Ross committed where the government can do it even against the victim's consent.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 18 Nov 2015, 12:25
Attempted Kidnapping (even if it's his own daughter, she only went with him when he started waving the gun around.  I think any witnesses would attest to that.)
Illegal Discharge Of A Weapon In A Public Space
Assault and/or Assault With A Deadly Weapon
Threatening To Kill
Dangerous Driving (Possibly with additional charges relating to the crash)

I'm glad to see Amber's somewhat OK though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Nov 2015, 21:39
Regarding today's comic: holy shit. That is what I would refer to as 'mothering care,' that Ruth is doing. It sure as shit ain't an RA's job, and there is nothing to make her so it, this is a fascinating bit of information on Ruth's character.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 18 Nov 2015, 21:49
I'm pretty sure that's Carla, not Ruth.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 18 Nov 2015, 21:56
I'm pretty sure that's Carla, not Ruth.

I'm pretty sure you're right, and my surprise stands, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 18 Nov 2015, 23:04
It is Carla, and it still is a surprise. She's not exactly the nice type.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 18 Nov 2015, 23:11
Aye.  I don't know whether I was more surprised to see her without her skates, or to see her being kind like to Amber.  It has been a while since I have done an archive binge, but it does seem that she and Sal seem to at least tolerate each other well enough.  But who knows if that bit is because *both* tend to be a bit abrasive most of the time.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 18 Nov 2015, 23:40
Sal and Carla tolerate eachother for Marcie's sake - Carla is Marcie's teammate. FWIW, we haven't really spent enough timewith her to see how she would react to a stranger in trouble. Considering the nature of their previous interaction, this may give Amber food for thought about the grey nature of most humans.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 18 Nov 2015, 23:51
Carla doesn't do roller derby http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/purpleandskates/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 19 Nov 2015, 13:20
Food for thought there Amber
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 19 Nov 2015, 21:18
Dang, was hoping for more Amber.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 19 Nov 2015, 23:12
I, for one, am waiting for Sarah to try to hug Joyce and never stop. She's been shooting her worried looks all night! Probably the hug will start the minute the doom room door closes.

I also think that Sal will give Becky and Dina their privacy in her dorm room tonight and, as a fair exchange, Dina lets Sal sleep in her room (the one she shares with Amber) tonight.

I’m expecting this to be one of those odd coincidental moments in DoA history. Normally, Sal sleeping in Dina’s bed would mean she collides with Amber but Amber isn’t there that night. Carla, worried that Amber is concussed, insists that she stay in her room with her overnight so she can monitor her. So it is the climactic confrontation between Amber and Sal is put off again and Carla, the outcast-by-choice, starts probably the single oddest friendship that she’s ever had.

No, I don’t think that Sal would paw through the closets in Dina and Amber’s room and thus find the Amazi-Girl costume. Despite her claims to the contrary, she’s actually a very nice and polite young woman and would never abuse Dina and her room-mate’s hospitality in such a way.


[Edit:]
A new spoiler/revised character art on DMW's Tumblr (http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f33c7d47deadb4605f171ae343b31ea/tumblr_ny3q9gxt7o1sm8ur3o1_1280.png)
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Post by: Kugai on 20 Nov 2015, 13:04
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And Becky's Chat Show career will be off to a flying start.
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Post by: cesium133 on 20 Nov 2015, 20:34
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Nov 2015, 20:46
Yeah, it is. If it's not part of the actual comic it is.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: chaospersonified on 20 Nov 2015, 21:58
Dina is recognizing Amber for who she truly is. This is a big moment, and it just proves my mental image of Dina as the smartest of the DoA crew
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Nov 2015, 00:01
Dina was never fooled by Amber's 'secret identity' and, indeed, innocently fails to understand Amber's claims of 'seperate personae'. What she does understand is that Amber has risked much and been hurt helping Becky. She also understands what you are supposed to do for people who are hurting. She knows few people who so continually hurt as Amber does.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 21 Nov 2015, 04:39
Joyce is frowning pretty hard :(
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 21 Nov 2015, 06:19
Joyce is frowning pretty hard :(

Ross's pious evil has seriously undermined her faith. I suspect that she's going to be forced to go on a long, dark journey of reflection and self-rediscovery before she's able to restore her mental and emotional balance.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 21 Nov 2015, 08:59
Joyce has been going under a crisis of faith for a while now. She was raised being told and believing that the bible is right, those that follow it are righteous, gay people and atheists are evil and going to hell. In the past few months all that's been turned upside down. She's made a good friend who is a good person and an atheist. Her best friend and boyfriend have come out as being gay, and they are good people. Meanwhile she's found that her family are very prejudiced and controlling. Her best friend's father kidnapped his daughter at gun point and threatened, then tried to kill people stopping him from doing that, all claiming to be righteous with god on his side. And that's on top of her being drugged and nearly raped a short while ago. Something she still hasn't even started to work through. Yeah.. she's under a lot of stress lately, and everything she thought was stable in her life keeps getting knocked out from under her by reality.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 21 Nov 2015, 12:40
I think we're going to see a new 'Version' of Joyce as time goes on, but I think the ride is going to be a bumpy one to say the least.

Dina, unfoolable.  And I love the look Amber gives her.
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Post by: hedgie on 21 Nov 2015, 18:02
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Post by: BenRG on 21 Nov 2015, 23:43
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Meanwhile, in today's strip, we're about to have Sarah become the first victim of this continuity's Anti-Joyce!
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Nov 2015, 07:24
Ok, can someone link when the whole "I'll give you money for swearing" thing happened?
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: bhtooefr on 22 Nov 2015, 07:45
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/damnation/
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Nov 2015, 07:48
So Joe needs to pay up, or at least pay Sarah back.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 22 Nov 2015, 08:06
I'm thinking Sarah was trying to break the tension... Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 22 Nov 2015, 11:20
Yeah, nice try Sarah. 

Don't think it went over well though.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Gladstone on 22 Nov 2015, 23:09
*bbbzzzztt bbbzzzzttt*
"M-mom?"
"Cngratulations, Joyce, you've broken through your religious programming!  We're so proud of you!  Now, why don't you come home so we can throw you a big party and totally not lock you in the basement for re-education or anything sinister like that."
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Nov 2015, 01:22
If I were Carol Brown, I'd limit my call to making sure that Joyce is physically okay and that doesn't need anything right now. I would wait until morning to talk to her about the rest of the content of her message. Right now, tempers are running too high and emotional balances too precarious to get into a deep conversation; it would too easily turn into an argument and estrangement.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Nov 2015, 04:44
She called back so soon she probably just saw the missed call and hasn't heard the message yet.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: LeeC on 23 Nov 2015, 05:18
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Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: Kugai on 23 Nov 2015, 13:40
Well

That's one way to declare your emancipation to your parents
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: hedgie on 23 Nov 2015, 22:35
Poor Joyce.
Title: Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
Post by: BenRG on 23 Nov 2015, 23:06
Sometimes I hate being right.

Willis has said that there is a lot of him in his characters sometimes (in It's Walky as well as in DoA). Based on this, I think I'm coming to understand why he has such a vinegary approach to religion and faith. If he's been through a fraction of what Joyce has been through, then the piety some people classifies as 'righteousness' has done him nothing but harm.
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Post by: hedgie on 23 Nov 2015, 23:24
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