For casual marijuana use? Seems unlikely.
I get the feeling we're going to see an apology from Dora to Tai, but not much more on that front - remember, it was Sven who told Marten about Dora's shitty exes, not Dora. I would wager she's not told Tai either, and that nobody else (specifically Marten) has mentioned it. I think we might be seeing either Marten or Dora explain just why she's so closed off, but I don't expect she'll open up much more than that.
Shame, really. I miss happy, flirty Dora :(
I'm a bit conflicted. On one hand, Marten and Claire trying to reassure Tai at the library would show the three of them interacting in a way that doesn't show off how adorable and wonderful Marten and Claire are as a couple, which would be great!
Yeah, I'd agree that it doesn't affect how she treats Tai. What I was getting at was that I don't think Tai is in a position to understand why Dora is so reluctant to open up, and that's going to need to be explained to her. And much as I like Marten, I think it would be perfectly fair to say he certainly used to be a doormat :)I get the feeling we're going to see an apology from Dora to Tai, but not much more on that front - remember, it was Sven who told Marten about Dora's shitty exes, not Dora. I would wager she's not told Tai either, and that nobody else (specifically Marten) has mentioned it. I think we might be seeing either Marten or Dora explain just why she's so closed off, but I don't expect she'll open up much more than that.
Shame, really. I miss happy, flirty Dora :(
I think you're right, in that regard, but I don't think her recent treatment of Tai has anything to do with her previous (shitty) relationships. She's not jealous of anybody (there's no 'Faye' in their relationship... yet). She's just closed off and probably isn't used to being in a relationship who is on one hand really, seriously interested in her and on the other hand not a doormat. (Before anybody misinterprets - Marten's not a doormat at the moment, but his relationship with Dora just brought out his worst traits. The night they broke up, he went after her to apologise - for her faults, and he was very aware of that. He just didn't know how to deal with it any other way)
While Dora's cleaning house, what will happen to Mieville?
Faye amazingly has a revelation and becomes a prohibitionist
Does this mean the girls are going to start wearing cute flapper outfits?
Maybe Marten can save the reputation of the fedora. Nah, far too late.
OTOH, that shouldn't even be necessary; he and Faye both helped the two of them get through a rough patch before this.
"Not my circus. Not my monkeys."
Huh. I thought for a bit and came up with a possible alternate reading.
What if Marten's going to the Coffee of Doom to chew Dora out over letting her insecurities sabotage yet another relationship? That'd... completely contradict my earlier post. I guess I have no idea what's going through Marten's head right now.
"Oh dear, Tai is having the exact same trouble with Dora that I had. If I tell her what I already did, break up with Dora, I could lose them both as friends. If I tell her to stick with it that isn't giving her the advice of my personal experience. I better run."OTOH, that shouldn't even be necessary; he and Faye both helped the two of them get through a rough patch before this.
Exactly! Why nope out now without any information when he talked her through her problems last time (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2582)? This doesn't feel like Marten at all.
"Oh dear, Tai is having the same trouble with Dora that we had when we were dating. Maybe if I walk away everything will turn out all right."
Marten, you are a BAD FRIEND.
Do you think anything good could come of Marten going to Dora for a "what the hell?" moment?
Me neither.
"Oh dear, Tai is having the exact same trouble with Dora that I had. If I tell her what I already did, break up with Dora, I could lose them both as friends. If I tell her to stick with it that isn't giving her the advice of my personal experience. I better run."
Marten, you are a BAD FRIEND.
Normally I am pleased when I predict the forum reaction, but this one was a little too easy.
You're thinking of a trilby, not a fedora. Indiana Jones wore a fedora; the trilby is worn by knuckle-dragging, ass-breathing basement dwellers.
[QUOTED IMAGE]
Further citation:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/ (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/)
What if Marten's going to the Coffee of Doom to chew Dora out
Shit, we're not going to start having hair arguments in this comic too, are we?You're thinking of a trilby, not a fedora. Indiana Jones wore a fedora; the trilby is worn by knuckle-dragging, ass-breathing basement dwellers.
[QUOTED IMAGE]
Further citation:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/ (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/)
Both are fine hats that people need to get over.
Especially given how many of the girls who complain about them are now sporting this christ-awful sideways-mullet (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b1/4c/e7/b14ce7ad669f3933ba8f15515584c900.jpg) that looks ugh on the insanely hot and puke on anyone less than that.
This is my favorite comic in the entire history of this comic.
I want Marten to keep noping out of the city, out of the state, into an entirely new comic with new characters with nobody else from this one ever mentioned again.
If Marten knew how to handle this situation, he'd still be dating Dora. He has no good advice for this.OTOH, that shouldn't even be necessary; he and Faye both helped the two of them get through a rough patch before this.
Exactly! Why nope out now without any information when he talked her through her problems last time (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2582)? This doesn't feel like Marten at all.
"Oh dear, Tai is having the same trouble with Dora that we had when we were dating. Maybe if I walk away everything will turn out all right."
Excuse you side mullets are awesome.You're thinking of a trilby, not a fedora. Indiana Jones wore a fedora; the trilby is worn by knuckle-dragging, ass-breathing basement dwellers.
[QUOTED IMAGE]
Further citation:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/ (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/)
Both are fine hats that people need to get over.
Especially given how many of the girls who complain about them are now sporting this christ-awful sideways-mullet (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b1/4c/e7/b14ce7ad669f3933ba8f15515584c900.jpg) that looks ugh on the insanely hot and puke on anyone less than that.
Marten's train of thought: "I've read enough Questionable Content to know where this is going."Shit, he's become aware. Hannelore needs to administer another dose of the amnesiac, some things weren't meant to be known.
This is my favorite comic in the entire history of this comic.
I want Marten to keep noping out of the city, out of the state, into an entirely new comic with new characters with nobody else from this one ever mentioned again.
I like this plan a lot.
Marten's train of thought: "I've read enough Questionable Content to know where this is going."Shit, he's become aware. Hannelore needs to administer another dose of the amnesiac, some things weren't meant to be known.
Tomorrow's comic:
HANNERS: "You summoned me, sir?"
MARTEN: "It's time."
HANNERS: "S-so soon?!"
MARTEN: "Are you questioning me?"
HANNERS: "N...no sir."
MARTEN: "Good."
MARTEN: "Release the tungsten rod."
Said tungsten rod obliterates Northampton, and the only survivor is Penelope, who was secretly using nanotech as Pizza Girl. She changes her name to Alice to avoid getting discovered.
Marten's train of thought: "I've read enough Questionable Content to know where this is going."
(http://media0.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif)The URL goes between the tags, Dr. Bear. :D
Amazingly quick work there, Cup. I posted, saw it was bad, and by the time I had corrected it saw that you had done it correctly, so I cancelled.I am the night.
That badger .gif is getting a lot of use lately, it seems.
Marten, you are a BAD FRIEND.
Normally I am pleased when I predict the forum reaction, but this one was a little too easy.
My first reaction was much harsher, but I decided to tone it down. Still, I think Marten could've, you know, stuck around and listened to the full story before moonwalking away, but I guess Jeph wanted to go for the easy laughs.
MARTEN: "What's wrong?"
TAI: "Dora and I had an argument. [Quick summary of argument, with concerns over how Dora's been acting since she cut Sven out of her life and fired Faye.]"
MARTEN: "Wow, I had no idea. I mean, I've been spending a lot of time with Claire, and trying to help Faye out with her problems, but that's no excuse for ignoring everyone else. Is there anything I can do to help?"
TAI: [Conversation]
MARTEN: [Conversation]
TAI: "Thanks, Marten, that really helps! I do feel better."
MARTEN: "And just think, I almost walked out on you when you said you were having problems with Dora! Gosh, that would've been a dick move, right? [Hearty guffaw]"
TAI: [Hearty guffaw]
He just has to listen, say 'aw, I'm sorry Tai, I hope you guys work this out', and we're all done.
A more serious prediction: Claire's gonna pick up on NOPE mode Marten, if she's at work today. That may have interesting effects.
My first reaction was much harsher, but I decided to tone it down. Still, I think Marten could've, you know, stuck around and listened to the full story before moonwalking away, but I guess Jeph wanted to go for the easy laughs.
It was obviously drawn for the lulz. Sheesh you people are SO SERIOUS.
Does this mean the girls are going to start wearing cute flapper outfits?
Maybe Marten can save the reputation of the fedora. Nah, far too late.
Nah, I think Marten would look better dressed as a newsboy. Those caps haven't been ruined by MRAs yet, have they? Dear grog, I hope not.
(http://www.villagehatshop.com/photos/product/standard/4511390S60766/newsboy-caps/gotham-newsboy-cap.jpg)
Marten is going to find Hannelore and ask for a lift to her dad's space station so that he can nope this from orbit.
(https://futureworldblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/fedora-vs-trilby.jpg)
Excuse you side mullets are awesome.You're thinking of a trilby, not a fedora. Indiana Jones wore a fedora; the trilby is worn by knuckle-dragging, ass-breathing basement dwellers.
[QUOTED IMAGE]
Further citation:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/ (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/)
Both are fine hats that people need to get over.
Especially given how many of the girls who complain about them are now sporting this christ-awful sideways-mullet (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b1/4c/e7/b14ce7ad669f3933ba8f15515584c900.jpg) that looks ugh on the insanely hot and puke on anyone less than that.
Well, that was... uncharacteristically dickish. Understandable, but still, not something I would expect from Marten lately.
"Oh dear, Tai is having the same trouble with Dora that we had when we were dating. Maybe if I walk away everything will turn out all right."
I mean, heck, Marten could have said "yeah, I've got nothing that can help, but I'm pulling for ya!" given her a hug and left.I'm going to assume the comic was just a representation of the Nope that doesn't closely correspond to canon-reality. There was a Nope, but it wasn't dickish, just absolute. In my headcanon, anyway.
instead he chose the method that makes Tai feel like more shit than she already felt like, a bigger pile of shit.
I hope tomorrows comic has him coming back in and being all "okay, I was joking, now lets talk"
I wonder whether Claire will offer relationship advice.
You're thinking of a trilby, not a fedora. Indiana Jones wore a fedora; the trilby is worn by knuckle-dragging, ass-breathing basement dwellers.
(https://futureworldblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/fedora-vs-trilby.jpg)
Further citation:
http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/ (http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/brand-thats-not-a-fedora-and-stop-wearing-it/)
Bad form young man, bad form.
No, the faux pas is with Tai here; she just went to her GFs ex for relationship advice/consolation/soundboarding. I mean come on, by his own admission he's sick of Dora's shit, at least when it comes relationship issues
Tai didn't have much choice though. Her only way to avoid the situation would be to put on a brave cheerful face and pretend nothing had happened, or to say "oh, nothing" when Marten asked what's wrongWhat's wrong with "I feel bad because of something between me and Dora, that I won't bother you of all people with"?
Tai didn't have much choice though. Her only way to avoid the situation would be to put on a brave cheerful face and pretend nothing had happened, or to say "oh, nothing" when Marten asked what's wrongWhat's wrong with "I feel bad because of something between me and Dora, that I won't bother you of all people with"?
For y'all who are thinking Marten's dealings with Tai are uncharacteristic, check out the first time she actually asked him for advice. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=728)
But comics are SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Butt comics more so.
God forbid people don't act like perfect friends in a fictional internet comic :p
There is a fine line between being cool with your friend dating your ex, and getting involved with their problems to the point that you are vicariously experiencing everything you hated about that relationship.
Actually, it's not a fine line at all, it's more of a canyon.
Also just because you are someone's friend doesn't mean you HAVE to always deal with ALL of their issues
Also just because you are someone's friend doesn't mean you HAVE to always deal with ALL of their issues
Strawman; no-one is even suggesting that he deal with all of her issues - just this one.
Strawman; no-one is even suggesting that he deal with all of her issues - just this one.
You know, if my boss had started complaining about their relationship problems with a current friend and ex-girlfriend who also recently (and justifiably) fired my best friend and is still the boss of another close friend, I think I'd have backed away too.This. So much this.
...and all that followed...
Dora and I had an argument. I was just trying to get her to TALK to me, but she-Possible triggers:
Marten and Dora broke up because of constant petty fighting where Dora was being unreasonable.
Tai has just had a petty fight with Dora and considers how she acts to be unreasonable (ie not talking to her about it)
Marten knows there is nothing in this situation he can do or say that won't end up with his ass getting chewed out by someone
So he nope'd
Funniest comic in a long while too.
Claire and Momo see marten backpeddling, Tai follows, explains to them, they start backpeddling too...
Claire and Momo see marten backpeddling, Tai follows, explains to them, they start backpeddling too...
Really, all Marten has to do is hug Tai, agree with her that relationship problems suck and encourage her not to run away from the problem.
He doesn't have to take sides, give detailed advice or even get Dora's side of the story (I suspect that Dora will go to Faye or one of the CoD girls and get told off for being an ass). What he really should do is offer his friend empathy and comfort. Sometimes, that's the most that you can do.
Alright, since I've already enjoyed the amusing visual gag in today's strip, it's time for some over-analysis.
Amusement and criticism of the character's actions (or reactions) are not mutually exclusive. We can roll our eyes at Marigold's lack of social grace, while also chuckling at her butchering of the details. We can sympathise with Marten's situation and laugh at the "NOPE" reactions, while also acknowledging that it wasn't his best move.
Claire and Momo see marten backpeddling, Tai follows, explains to them, they start backpeddling too...... And Emily sees them and joins in. By then they're out on the sidewalk, picking up more backpedalers ("SROB SROB SROB ..." and on and on, picking up Faye on her way to therapy, Pizza Girl on her way to deliver to Penelope, one great big Katamari Damacy backpedaling blob consuming all it touches until Coffee of Doom is reached. Last line is Dora's: "What the hell ass baRRRRRRGGGHHH ..."
Claire and Momo see marten backpeddling, Tai follows, explains to them, they start backpeddling too...... And Emily sees them and joins in. By then they're out on the sidewalk, picking up more backpedalers ("SROB SROB SROB ..." and on and on, picking up Faye on her way to therapy, Pizza Girl on her way to deliver to Penelope, one great big Katamari Damacy backpedaling blob consuming all it touches until Coffee of Doom is reached. Last line is Dora's: "What the hell ass baRRRRRRGGGHHH ..."
(Iris out. PINTSIZE says "th-th-th-that's all Folks! Heheheheheh. You thought I was going to say sonofabitch, didn't you?" Blee-OOP and fade to black.)
Claire and Momo see marten backpeddling, Tai follows, explains to them, they start backpeddling too...... And Emily sees them and joins in. By then they're out on the sidewalk, picking up more backpedalers ("SROB SROB SROB ..." and on and on, picking up Faye on her way to therapy, Pizza Girl on her way to deliver to Penelope, one great big Katamari Damacy backpedaling blob consuming all it touches until Coffee of Doom is reached. Last line is Dora's: "What the hell ass baRRRRRRGGGHHH ..."
(Iris out. PINTSIZE says "th-th-th-that's all Folks! Heheheheheh. You thought I was going to say sonofabitch, didn't you?" Blee-OOP and fade to black.)
And so ends the entire comic.
One more thing I'd like to point out. Marten isn't even thinking this through. Look at his skin colour: he turns *pale*. The whole mention of "I'm just trying to get her to talk" must be setting off red flares in his system that caused him to flee the scene.Which is kind of an important point. His slowly backing away, never breaking eye contact and locking himself in the office really doesn't strike me as a 'NOPE'. It's more like someone who just saw a big, dangerous animal about to strike and is slowly backing away from the danger. Once he calms down from the initial panic, he'll probably be a better friend. But right now alarm sirens are going off in his head and there's a flailing robot going 'DANGER! DANGER MARTEN REED!'
I think Marten's just concerned about the Allosaurus standing behind Tai.That's not an Allosaurus, that's a Velociraptor and the Raptor is Claire.
His slowly backing away, never breaking eye contact and locking himself in the office really doesn't strike me as a 'NOPE'. It's more like someone who just saw a big, dangerous animal about to strike and is slowly backing away from the danger.
His slowly backing away, never breaking eye contact and locking himself in the office really doesn't strike me as a 'NOPE'. It's more like someone who just saw a big, dangerous animal about to strike and is slowly backing away from the danger.
Not trying to be pedantic or overly sarcastic here, but I don't understand the difference between the two.
Perhaps I'm not a good enough student of The Way of Nope to see the subtleties involved, please enlighten me?
The difference of "OH SHIT! A BEAR!" and "Not my circus, not my monkies. I'm out of here."
That... is kind of disturbing :psyduck:
That's not an Allosaurus, that's a Velociraptor and the Raptor is Claire.(click to show/hide)
I think it's pretty clear what just happened here. Marten has recently gotten into a happy place with Claire. While this has been happening, the relationships of his closest friends have gone into the crapper. He is zoning out, suffering from WTF syndrome. And to top it off, he's at the core of this all - best buds and roomie with Faye, ex-bf of Dora, good friend and minion of Tai. He's just hoping that Hanners and Marigold don't come to blows. Bad Karma all around. How will things settle out in the end? I suspect things will get worse before they get better.
But better they WILL get - I'm banking on it. It's FigNewton's law of the conservation of feels. Positive feels will eventually balance all the negative feels until we get to feels equilibrium - because of the ever increasing entropy of feels.
The issue of readers having unrealistic expectations of perfection has been brought up a couple of times in the past week. That's not why there are objections to the way certain characters are handling their business. When we consume fiction and react to fictional characters, we're (generally) not holding them to an unrealistic standard of perfection, but we do compare them to the real world, particularly when the characters are well-rounded, realistic, and relate-able.
To that end, we don't ask them to be perfect, but we do ask: are their actions, attitudes, and motives understandable? Reasonable? Sympathetic? That's what shapes our reactions to the characters and their role in the plot.
One thing Marten could do is to give Tai the Cliff Notes on Dora's relationship history. Of course that might enrage Dora.
The issue of readers having unrealistic expectations of perfection has been brought up a couple of times in the past week. That's not why there are objections to the way certain characters are handling their business. When we consume fiction and react to fictional characters, we're (generally) not holding them to an unrealistic standard of perfection, but we do compare them to the real world, particularly when the characters are well-rounded, realistic, and relate-able.
To that end, we don't ask them to be perfect, but we do ask: are their actions, attitudes, and motives understandable? Reasonable? Sympathetic? That's what shapes our reactions to the characters and their role in the plot.
We can't ask fictional characters to not be perfect. Then again, we can't ask the creator of said characters to bend to the whim of the fandom. HOWEVER, said creator obviously cannot ignore the fandom that have genuine criticism and gripes about how a story or characters are progressing.
The issue of readers having unrealistic expectations of perfection has been brought up a couple of times in the past week. That's not why there are objections to the way certain characters are handling their business. When we consume fiction and react to fictional characters, we're (generally) not holding them to an unrealistic standard of perfection, but we do compare them to the real world, particularly when the characters are well-rounded, realistic, and relate-able.
To that end, we don't ask them to be perfect, but we do ask: are their actions, attitudes, and motives understandable? Reasonable? Sympathetic? That's what shapes our reactions to the characters and their role in the plot.
We can't ask fictional characters to not be perfect. Then again, we can't ask the creator of said characters to bend to the whim of the fandom. HOWEVER, said creator obviously cannot ignore the fandom that have genuine criticism and gripes about how a story or characters are progressing.
The mods are hypervigilant about some issues. If there's a complaint about the "clever girl" picture it will disappear again.
I'm not up on meme meanings but something disquieting came up when I researched it.
You simply can't argue that a characterization fails because you don't feel sympathy for the character's position.
You simply can't argue that a characterization fails because you don't feel sympathy for the character's position.
I point to Clariten as a counter-argument to this. The strips we've been given concerning Clariten have been devoid of info of why Marten has gone from a string of failed relationships with Females to him going out with a Transgendered person. It's pretty much "I like you, let's go out." Okay, WHY?!?!?! Is he just sick and tired of being the whipping boy with females that he thinks maybe going non-traditional would be a better shot at happiness? Is it because his childhood with Veronica exposing him to alternative lifestyles kinda gave him a more open mind when it comes to such things? Or some other obtuse reason?
I point to Clariten as a counter-argument to this. The strips we've been given concerning Clariten have been devoid of info of why Marten has gone from a string of failed relationships with Females to him going out with a Transgendered person. It's pretty much "I like you, let's go out." Okay, WHY?!?!?! Is he just sick and tired of being the whipping boy with females that he thinks maybe going non-traditional would be a better shot at happiness? Is it because his childhood with Veronica exposing him to alternative lifestyles kinda gave him a more open mind when it comes to such things? Or some other obtuse reason?
I point to Clariten as a counter-argument to this. The strips we've been given concerning Clariten have been devoid of info of why Marten has gone from a string of failed relationships with Females to him going out with a Transgendered person. It's pretty much "I like you, let's go out." Okay, WHY?!?!?! Is he just sick and tired of being the whipping boy with females that he thinks maybe going non-traditional would be a better shot at happiness? Is it because his childhood with Veronica exposing him to alternative lifestyles kinda gave him a more open mind when it comes to such things? Or some other obtuse reason?
EDIT: Poor Marten. This time, make like Ardent and RUN.
Marten is going to find Hannelore and ask for a lift to her dad's space station so that he can nope this from orbit.
I keep writing Asssssss.Buuuuuttts!
I'm not sure I see the distinction. I don't claim there isn't one. I just don't see it.
I keep writing Asssssss.Buuuuuttts!
There is a fine line between being cool with your friend dating your ex, and getting involved with their problems to the point that you are vicariously experiencing everything you hated about that relationship.
Actually, it's not a fine line at all, it's more of a canyon.
Yes, there is that. However, there is also the aspect of friendship that involves gritting your teeth and dealing with vicarious pain because, damn it, your friend is hurting and maybe, just maybe, you can make things better.
Remember: Tai didn't ask for help; Marten effectively offered it, sight unseen.
There is a fine line between being cool with your friend dating your ex, and getting involved with their problems to the point that you are vicariously experiencing everything you hated about that relationship.
Actually, it's not a fine line at all, it's more of a canyon.
Yes, there is that. However, there is also the aspect of friendship that involves gritting your teeth and dealing with vicarious pain because, damn it, your friend is hurting and maybe, just maybe, you can make things better.
Remember: Tai didn't ask for help; Marten effectively offered it, sight unseen.
No, you're just failing to read the parts you don't want to read.
If you're playing "effectivelies" then she effectively demanded it by greeting Marten with a "bleh", and as every narcissist with a nasty attitude has demonstrated everywhere in the world since time immemorial, if he *hadn't* given into her demand she would have been a massive cunt to all and sundry the entire rest of the day.
I know there's this weird rule that some people are entitled to bleed other people emotionally dry, it's just, you know, a bullshit rule, believed in by bullshit people.
Still, Marten showed a little spirit for once. Here's hoping his learning curve continues on its upswing.
Or, in Ardent and Gavia's case, bigger birds.EDIT: Poor Marten. This time, make like Ardent and RUN.Bad idea. There's always a bigger fish. Has George Lucas taught us nothing?
I'll take my ban now.
As you wish
It is, in fact, utterly unremarkable that Marten's first relationship with a transwoman follows a string of failed relationships with ciswomen.
It is, in fact, utterly unremarkable that Marten's first relationship with a transwoman follows a string of failed relationships with ciswomen.
So, you'd find it "unremarkable" if say, Marten had relationships with an AnthroPC? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2333) To others, this relationship is remarkable to them, but the way the storyline has progressed, people are kinda wondering when some of the bits and pieces will fall into place to help them feel sympathetic to the couple.
Now you are comparing trans women to non humans? The ice is getting very very thin.
Personally for myself, I would not bat an eye at an android/human romance. Because for me romance and love is not about physical parts, but emotional attraction. Whatever else they may be, AnthroPCs are self aware, emotional, intelligent beings. They have shown compassion, friendship, a desire for companionship and even love towards other AIs and humans. I can possibly be said that Station is in love with Hannelore. They certainly have a deep friendship and abiding affection for one another.
All that said, I'm with the folks who think Marten will eventually grit his teeth and take the risk of this blowing up in his face. Which it will. Oh, yes, it will.
The principle to keep in mind is that the trans* people are male, female, or other as they report themselves to be. They have spent their lives grappling with their identity and are the world's leading authorities on it. Next is that they have always been that gender even when their bodies didn't match. Remember those points and you'll see a lot of the etiquette for yourself.
I'll take my ban now.
As you wish
It might be, it could be, IT IS!
I was wondering why I saw Jeph's avatar on here.
It's never a good thing to see Jeph's avatar on here.
Good riddance.
Part of me does wonder if they weren't someone from the subreddit, registering for the sole purpose of seeing how much shit they could stir up.
Good riddance.
Part of me does wonder if they weren't someone from the subreddit, registering for the sole purpose of seeing how much shit they could stir up.
Possibly, although they've been around since 2011.
I get wicked drunk one Monday and all of a sudden shit hits the fan. I'm disappointed in everyone really. I wanted to say douchey things to assholes! Very rude. :-D
If it gets back to Dora that Marten was helping Tai (probably through Tai mentioning it offhand to her) I can see Marten being the next person she has ago at, ticking her closer to meltdown.
tai is simply marten's boss and he would do well to remember that.
Would probably be better to get his word in first, I agree. Considering the fear in his eyes in the last comic though, he may just hope his (albeit brief) involvement just isn't mentioned.
I'd like for Marten to actually volunteer the information to Dora. "Tai is so worried, she actually came to me for advice! Bad joke, huh?"
tai is simply marten's boss and he would do well to remember that.
She's also his friend, no matter how much you may personally dislike this fact.
I hope Tai gets her make-up kisses. Also, Marten should go back to his silent strategy, it's much more effective.
If it gets back to Dora that Marten was helping Tai (probably through Tai mentioning it offhand to her) I can see Marten being the next person she has ago at, ticking her closer to meltdown.
I'd like for Marten to actually volunteer the information to Dora. "Tai is so worried, she actually came to me for advice! Bad joke, huh?"
what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.
Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.
what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.
Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.
But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.
Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.
That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.
That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.
But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.
Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.
That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.
Don't destroy language. We need it.
That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.
Sorry, but -
That every act, committed by any human, ever, was personally and subjectively interpreted by me to be motivated by selfishness.
Fixed that for you.
Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xDSir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
Gloomy Tai ? I have trouble to imagine that.
Fail. See above. At best you can claim I have taken a biased position based on the reasoning that selflessness is impossible. And that's why "fixed that for you" is one of the dumbest things on the the internet.
Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xDSir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.
But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.
Don't destroy language. We need it.
Not destroying language dude. Look up the philosophy of the selfless act. (To expand, if selflessness is, indeed, impossible then "selfish" is actually an impediment to clear communication. "Selfish" would be the thing destroying language.)
Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xDSir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.
Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xDSir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.
The airport has been officialy closed until the depressed Tai-phoon has blown over. :claireface:
But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.
Don't destroy language. We need it.
Not destroying language dude. Look up the philosophy of the selfless act. (To expand, if selflessness is, indeed, impossible then "selfish" is actually an impediment to clear communication. "Selfish" would be the thing destroying language.)
Nope.
First and foremost there is a difference between the descriptive philosophical concept of psychological egoism and the everyday normative concepts of selfishness. Using them as synonyms are just confusing.
Selfish in everyday language means being self-centred and only interested in your own well being. Psychological egoism says that all acts, even those made to benefit others, are rooted in fulfilling your own preferences. If psychological egoism is correct, in that there is no truly selfless acts, it doesn't necessarily mean that there are no acts that are more or less self-centered.
Tai is selfish in a normative everyday sense. She uses Marten as a tool without regard for his feelings. Everyday normative language is used in order to describe how people should and shouldn't act. The descriptive discussion regarding the possibility of selfless acts is something different and something that should be kept separately in order to avoid confusion. Otherwise I could destroy more or less ANY discussion by de-constructing the concept "self".
I have a masters degree in philosophy and history. I know the discussion. For years I waved the flag of psychological egoism in more of less every normative discussion I was part of. Then I realised how fruitless it was.
I do not have a masters degree i English. Please bare with my language...
Tai must be pretty desperate to seek relationship advice about Dora from someone who couldn't make a relationship with Dora work. Instead of doing what Marten would have done, she should do what she would do - it's her relationship, after all.
the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.
Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD
Sir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
Whoa! Marten blows his top. Been a while since I've seen that and it's actually MORE anger than we saw when he and Dora split.
Everyday and normative are illusions. They assume words mean the same thing to most people, and that's not true. It's amazing that languge works at all, when you think about.
You claim that Tai is "selfish" and "not giving consideration to Marten." You mean to say the same thing twice, but one of those statements communicates something specific, by narrowing the potential ways to interpret the individual words. The other doesn't. It's merely pejorative, no different that calling a character "asshole." It communicates that the speaker doesn't like the character, but nothing more. Stating a character IS a thing (is selfish, is an asshole) communicates the speaker's opinion with the imperative that the audience should agree.
If you find it fruitless to discuss the philosophy of things, you really shouldn't make imperative statements about what language is, because that's pretty much nothing but philosophy. Even trying to define "normative" and "everyday" is a philosophic discussion. You can't have a meta-discussion without going down that rabbit hole.
Of course, my intent wasn't to be meta. Just to note the meaninglessness of the charge that Tai is acting selfishly. Marten asked her about her feelings, as she pointed out. She also implicitly acknowledged Marten's desire not to get involved. Marten "got involved" anyway, at which point it was time for the punchline. Tai's actions certainly kept the subject on herself, but that was the subject.
Philosophically speaking, it minds me of the parable about the blind men and the elephant. This little slice of interaction is insufficient to describe the whole of the thing, yet it is used to draw a certain conclusion, without regard to its context. Yesterday, Marten was the bad guy, today it's Tai. It seems an unfair assessment, in the least. We know, now, that Marten didn't think he should get involved. Using your definition of normative language, why wasn't what he did labeled as selfish by you? (If it was, I apologize for misunderstanding.) He could have considered Tai's feelings and just stated his position, rather than dramatically backing out to sound of infinite "nope."
Marten did what he did because the author thought it would be funny. Tai's "in for a penny" is meant to serve the same purpose.
Everyday and normative are illusions. They assume words mean the same thing to most people, and that's not true. It's amazing that languge works at all, when you think about.
You claim that Tai is "selfish" and "not giving consideration to Marten." You mean to say the same thing twice, but one of those statements communicates something specific, by narrowing the potential ways to interpret the individual words. The other doesn't. It's merely pejorative, no different that calling a character "asshole." It communicates that the speaker doesn't like the character, but nothing more. Stating a character IS a thing (is selfish, is an asshole) communicates the speaker's opinion with the imperative that the audience should agree.No. Being selfish is in everyday language, and in many more well defined ethical schools, generally to be self-centred and only interested in your own well being. There is always potential ways to interpret words in different ways, regardless of how many words you use. That doesn't change that language works because there exists common understandings of words.
If you find it fruitless to discuss the philosophy of things, you really shouldn't make imperative statements about what language is, because that's pretty much nothing but philosophy. Even trying to define "normative" and "everyday" is a philosophic discussion. You can't have a meta-discussion without going down that rabbit hole.
Of course, my intent wasn't to be meta.
Just to note the meaninglessness of the charge that Tai is acting selfishly. Marten asked her about her feelings, as she pointed out. She also implicitly acknowledged Marten's desire not to get involved. Marten "got involved" anyway, at which point it was time for the punchline. Tai's actions certainly kept the subject on herself, but that was the subject.Then say that. That is a valid ethical re-evaluation of the situation that doesn't drag things down into a meta discussion.
Philosophically speaking, it minds me of the parable about the blind men and the elephant. This little slice of interaction is insufficient to describe the whole of the thing, yet it is used to draw a certain conclusion, without regard to its context. Yesterday, Marten was the bad guy, today it's Tai. It seems an unfair assessment, in the least. We know, now, that Marten didn't think he should get involved.Is anyone but you speaking about bad guys? Both me and "rfrank dodelijk" are talking of what we view as bad behavior in a specific situation. We can NEVER speak about anything more than a slice of the elephant. We have no choice but making our judgements of the elephant from the small patches we can touch.
Using your definition of normative language, why wasn't what he did labeled as selfish by you? (If it was, I apologize for misunderstanding.) He could have considered Tai's feelings and just stated his position, rather than dramatically backing out to sound of infinite "nope."
Marten did what he did because the author thought it would be funny. Tai's "in for a penny" is meant to serve the same purpose.
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I don't like Tai. I acknowledge that her feelings for Dora are real, and likely deeper than Marten's feelings for Dora were. But I don't like Tai as a character and I really find that she grates. I will acknowledge that it might just be me. I hate passive aggressive people and I hate people who use their position to get things out of others. I don't have any doubt that Tai understands on some level that as the boss, she has greater sway over what Marten does and how he responds. Would she fire him for no cause? Probably not, but Marten subconsciously does not want to take that chance.
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Everyone has one. I suppose everyone's entitled to share unless the rules state otherwise. My perspective is that labeling Tai as selfish doesn't communicate anything. My perspective on Tai's "selfish behavior" is above.
Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xDSir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.
That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.
The airport has been officialy closed until the depressed Tai-phoon has blown over. :claireface:
Question: Are you even aware of your 'blown over' double entendre?
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Everyone has one. I suppose everyone's entitled to share unless the rules state otherwise. My perspective is that labeling Tai as selfish doesn't communicate anything. My perspective on Tai's "selfish behavior" is above.
Maybe I'm just not understanding your point. What is supposed to be "communicated"? I don't come to this board to do anything except contribute my opinion, should I have one, about what is happening or has happened in the strip. Your statement that my post doesn't "communicate" anything does imply that you find my point of view useless, which is your prerogative, but that's kind of a shitty stance to take.
Yes, Angus was creepy. Not your problem that you don't know this, but I've stated that on the record several times. I sort of side-eyed Faye warming to him, but hey, it happens, I guess. I didn't have to like it, and I didn't, but it was what it was. Other people's creepiness doesn't preclude others from being creepy as well. Hannelore, who I like quite a bit, was quelle creepy in her intro. I don't see her as selfish because she has not exhibited traits that indicate, to me, a penchant for selfishness. Tai has. I don't know that my dislike of her colors that. I adore Dora and have no issues in calling her out on her self-sabotaging, strident behavior. If you don't agree, that's fine, but it's not really your place to tell me or anyone else that pointing out something that twigs as a personality trait "doesn't communicate anything."
I think I'm gonna need a WCDTDT.That's only for when you get too sucked into the shenanigans. I basically decide to ignore it because my reflexes on that are usually "make everything a ton worse".
RF, I think that for some people, and I'm not speaking about the person you were answering above because I don't know him/her, but for myself, at least, any dislike of Tai goes beyond this instance or this punchline.
Tai is selfish. She pushes boundaries. Whether it's because of some issue she has or not, I won't speculate, but this is real. This is not stuff that anyone is pulling out of their ass. She openly lusted after Dora when she and Marten were together, making him uncomfortable. She was a complete creep the first time she met Hannelore and had to be told by Marten, twice, to knock it the fuck off. I seem to recall that when Clinton acted like a creep to Hanners, he got much less slack. Tai sort of does whatever Tai wants to do, and the options are to fuck off from her or deal with it.
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I don't like Tai. I acknowledge that her feelings for Dora are real, and likely deeper than Marten's feelings for Dora were. But I don't like Tai as a character and I really find that she grates. I will acknowledge that it might just be me. I hate passive aggressive people and I hate people who use their position to get things out of others. I don't have any doubt that Tai understands on some level that as the boss, she has greater sway over what Marten does and how he responds. Would she fire him for no cause? Probably not, but Marten subconsciously does not want to take that chance.
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It's not that all of those situations aren't understandable or completely unreasonable, nor is Tai being particularly malicious. She's no villain. But it does come back to her getting what she wants no matter what, and overlooking other people's feelings and/or discomfort along the way. At least, that's how it comes across to me (and I'm guessing you and a couple of others too, based on recent posts...our spiteful banned friend not withstanding). That's why that last line about make-up kisses just doesn't sit well with me. I can't help thinking..."Really? That's your takeaway from all this? Not acknowledging the bigger issue, but just looking for the magic words that'll sweep it under the rug so you can get make-up kisses?"
I know that's reading a lot into one line of dialogue, and making assumptions that she's not going to change her tact or deal with the bigger issue in a better way, but...well, history suggests that as long as Tai's happy and getting what she wants, everything's aces. I think she's setting herself up for a fall if she truly believes that.
If Faye has delirium tremens in the bathroom, is that WC DTs?
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If you don't agree, that's fine, but it's not really your place to tell me or anyone else that pointing out something that twigs as a personality trait "doesn't communicate anything."
Did you really just tell a black man where his place was?
For serious? (But he didn't know you were black! Yeah, I know. But A: still happened. B: it's a crappy thing to say no matter who you say it to, unless there is actually a place and someone doesn't own it. Like say a moderator's position.)
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If you don't agree, that's fine, but it's not really your place to tell me or anyone else that pointing out something that twigs as a personality trait "doesn't communicate anything."
Did you really just tell a black man where his place was?
For serious? (But he didn't know you were black! Yeah, I know. But A: still happened. B: it's a crappy thing to say no matter who you say it to, unless there is actually a place and someone doesn't own it. Like say a moderator's position.)
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RF - Serious, albeit off topic question on language. I've often heard (and used) expressions like, "Hey, it's not my place to say if they should be doing X." Or many variations on that theme. To me, that sort of expression is pretty neutral, as opposed to the (clearly offensive) language of saying, "He needs to know his place," or, "I'm going to put her in her place." I take it that you don't hear a difference between the different contexts?
I'm genuinely curious, given that the use of specific language is crucial in my profession, and I honestly hope not to offend a significant number of people with an expression (e.g. It's not my/your/his place to say...) I've always heard in a neutral way.
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If you don't agree, that's fine, but it's not really your place to tell me or anyone else that pointing out something that twigs as a personality trait "doesn't communicate anything."
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If you don't agree, that's fine, but it's not really your place to tell me or anyone else that pointing out something that twigs as a personality trait "doesn't communicate anything."
Did you really just tell a black man where his place was?
For serious? (But he didn't know you were black! Yeah, I know. But A: still happened. B: it's a crappy thing to say no matter who you say it to, unless there is actually a place and someone doesn't own it. Like say a moderator's position.)
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RF - Serious, albeit off topic question on language. I've often heard (and used) expressions like, "Hey, it's not my place to say if they should be doing X." Or many variations on that theme. To me, that sort of expression is pretty neutral, as opposed to the (clearly offensive) language of saying, "He needs to know his place," or, "I'm going to put her in her place." I take it that you don't hear a difference between the different contexts?
I'm genuinely curious, given that the use of specific language is crucial in my profession, and I honestly hope not to offend a significant number of people with an expression (e.g. It's not my/your/his place to say...) I've always heard in a neutral way.
Hyperbole.
Unexpected end of arc.
I kind of see a parent/child dynamic between Dora and Tai. Dora acts maternal to everyone (which doesn't exactly help her control issues) and Tai acts childish. The dynamic creeps me out.
Unexpected end of arc.
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Of course the last Dora/Marten fight happened pretty quickly after the one before it was resolved so there's still some hope.
Unexpected end of arc.
Yay, we survived our first fight.
RF - Serious, albeit off topic question on language. I've often heard (and used) expressions like, "Hey, it's not my place to say if they should be doing X." Or many variations on that theme. To me, that sort of expression is pretty neutral, as opposed to the (clearly offensive) language of saying, "He needs to know his place," or, "I'm going to put her in her place." I take it that you don't hear a difference between the different contexts?
I'm genuinely curious, given that the use of specific language is crucial in my profession, and I honestly hope not to offend a significant number of people with an expression (e.g. It's not my/your/his place to say...) I've always heard in a neutral way.
3rd panel: since when does Tai have dat ass? Did she get implants?
I don't really get Dora/Tai as a couple. idk. I don't dislike it, I just don't really get the appeal for either of them.
I do think that Tai is immature. I don't remember how old Tai is in relation to the cast, but she acts much younger. I mean, she is still in that "college" mindset, and in the context of college her behavior makes sense. Idk, I do find her childish and some of her behavior is grating, but I don't think she is a bad person or anything. She just has a lot of living to do.
I kind of see a parent/child dynamic between Dora and Tai. Dora acts maternal to everyone (which doesn't exactly help her control issues) and Tai acts childish. The dynamic creeps me out.
3rd panel: since when does Tai have dat ass? Did she get implants?
I've always got that impression too, though I think TheEvilDog makes a good point about how that kind of suits both characters.
3rd panel: since when does Tai have dat ass? Did she get implants?
Glad someone else noticed it too. I think I recall her not having much in the curves department/more androgynous body-wise, in previous comics.
Well that was disappointing. I was kind of hoping for Tai moping for the first part of the week; then cut to the rave + orgy in the library for a strip or two where she gets her daily dose of Vitamin E; and closing with Dora coming to apologizes only to find Tai in a 3 way make-out session with a couple of co-eds.
This could have ultimately been what puts Tai, and Faye in the same support group, which some people here have been wanting.
3rd panel: since when does Tai have dat ass? Did she get implants?
Don't get me wrong. I don't think it should suit them, because it isn't healthy, especially for Tai - this is her first major relationship, so she's going to go along with it because she doesn't know any better. Dora has some major control issues and the fact that Tai was the one to initiate the apology means that Dora remains in control.
Most of Marten and Dora's fights were initiated by Dora and in those situations, it was Dora who apologised first. We're seeing a slightly different dynamic here, but I can see more fights in the not too distant future.
Remember that Dora has said before she has control issues and she needs to work on that. It's easy to say you need to do something, but it's something else entirely to actually do it.
Well that was disappointing. I was kind of hoping for Tai moping for the first part of the week; then cut to the rave + orgy in the library for a strip or two where she gets her daily dose of Vitamin E; and closing with Dora coming to apologizes only to find Tai in a 3 way make-out session with a couple of co-eds.
This could have ultimately been what puts Tai, and Faye in the same support group, which some people here have been wanting.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think it should suit them, because it isn't healthy, especially for Tai - this is her first major relationship, so she's going to go along with it because she doesn't know any better. Dora has some major control issues and the fact that Tai was the one to initiate the apology means that Dora remains in control.
Most of Marten and Dora's fights were initiated by Dora and in those situations, it was Dora who apologised first. We're seeing a slightly different dynamic here, but I can see more fights in the not too distant future.
Remember that Dora has said before she has control issues and she needs to work on that. It's easy to say you need to do something, but it's something else entirely to actually do it.
I honestly don't get this line of thinking. Tai apologized first because she was in the wrong. Dora didn't want to talk about stuff and Tai pushed. On some level, Tai recognizes that but is too self centered to draw it out. Possibly Marten would have brought that up if their conversation had been longer.
It's not Dora's problem that this is Tai's first relationship. If things go south between Marigold and Dale tomorrow because of shit Marigold did, is it going to be Dale's fault because he was her first boyfriend and the first guy she slept with? It's immaterial. Tai's an adult. If she decides she's old enough to be in an adult relationship, then she has to take the consequences.
I see no evidence of "control issues" by Dora in her relationship with Tai. We barely bloody see any interaction between them, so I have no idea where you're even getting that from. Instead of stewing or immediately blowing up and accusing as she would do with Marten, when Dora was bothered by something, she talked it out calmly with Faye, realized where she was possibly being stubborn, and talked it over with Tai immediately. She didn't let the Jim awkwardness linger. She's not passed judgment on the way Tai runs the library or on her recreational drug use. So where are these "control issues" in this relationship?
Nope.
Remember, part of what led to Tai and Dora ending up together was Tai wanting to be in a monogamous relationship. As far as we know, they don't have an open relationship, and to have Tai just looking for random smooches/hookups/whatever seems like a pretty big stretch.
3rd panel: since when does Tai have dat ass? Did she get implants?
I don't think Dora was "wrong." I think she was acknowledging by what she should do in the long term, just as you remarked she should do.
She wasn't saying that she needed to have opened up in that specific instance, nor in every instance Tai demands it.
Edit: yay, smartphone word auto-correct :/
Just because it might better if we did it a thing, does it follow that we should do that thing? While I think there's decent scientific evidence to support the idea that being more open and less defensive leads to better outcomes, my personal experiences have not tracked to that evidence.
It turns out that being more open only leads to improved outcomes when your support group is actually supportive. I don't think Dora's best choice is more open and less defensive. It might be. It might not be. So when I say I think she's wrong, I'm saying I shade more towards "it might not be." YMMV, of course.
I think that Jeph is giving us a message here. Two adults can have a disagreement and then make up. There doesn't have to be a prolonged separation, cold silences and mediation. Sometimes, a heartfelt apology, clear understanding of the problem and a hug is enough.Possibly, but remember that Dora and Marten had several disagreements before breaking up. This was just the first warning, I guess more will come. It seems Dora is slowly heading for a friendless life (OK, she still has Mieville (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2429), unless she has run away, we have not seen her for a very long time).
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I think that Jeph is giving us a message here. Two adults can have a disagreement and then make up. There doesn't have to be a prolonged separation, cold silences and mediation. Sometimes, a heartfelt apology, clear understanding of the problem and a hug is enough.
As for stable relationships in general, they do not make good stories.
Just because it might better if we did it a thing, does it follow that we should do that thing? While I think there's decent scientific evidence to support the idea that being more open and less defensive leads to better outcomes, my personal experiences have not tracked to that evidence.
It turns out that being more open only leads to improved outcomes when your support group is actually supportive. I don't think Dora's best choice is more open and less defensive. It might be. It might not be. So when I say I think she's wrong, I'm saying I shade more towards "it might not be." YMMV, of course.
Sounds like my mileage does vary, yes. I do think that being more open and less defensive in relationships leads to better outcomes overall. I guess (emphasis on the word guess) that maybe you're concerned that the risk of being more open is that you will be hurt? Yes, that is possible. But in avoiding that risk, you're also avoiding the potential of a much closer, healthier relationship. So in that sense, overall, you are still better off being more open, even if in particular instance you might think in hindsight that you should not have been.
If your support group is not supportive... well this may sound glib, but it's not a support group then, is it?
What do you mean by "it's better to do a thing" if not that it "leads to better outcomes"? I'm a little confused by that.
The operative word there being might. Might be better = might lead to better outcomes. Might not, too.
People do gain weight sometimes, you know. When a skinny woman gains a few pounds often the first place they go is the butt.
Man, that reminds me soo much of arguments that weren't really about the content of the words (One can argue about Tai or Dora being "right" or wrong here), but about the tone. If Dora would have just told Tai to lay it off any nicer, something like 'I get that you worry, but I don't want to talk about it right now. How about we do something else?', there wouldn't be any fight to speak of.
But I think Jeph could have moved them a bit closer together.
Re.: Hugging distance.
Personally, I'm seeing that as an art short-falling rather than anything significant in character or story terms. Jeph (in various Clairten clinches) has already shown that he isn't particularly good at kisses or hugs; he may have decided that a clear separation between the two ladies in question was the only way he could make the image not look weird.
Re.: Hugging distance.I agree. Looking at it again, the whole panel... argh. nrhg. Well. At least they hugged.
Personally, I'm seeing that as an art short-falling rather than anything significant in character or story terms. Jeph (in various Clairten clinches) has already shown that he isn't particularly good at kisses or hugs; he may have decided that a clear separation between the two ladies in question was the only way he could make the image not look weird.
Background change in that instance was fine, great in some others, like Libaries: Serious Business. Not a fan of the "huggin' it out" or "relationship status: optimistic" though, it pushes the already sickly sweet into the Saccharine Zone for me. I prefer LOOM or FOREBODE.
I... wow. I'm not expecting great works of literary genius or anything, but I can safely say that was some of the most disappointing "character development" I've seen in QC's entire run. Hell, it feels like everything has been sort of thrown at us at a really weirdly fast pace recently. That might just be the direction Jeph wants to take things and that's cool, it's his choice, but I hope the trend isn't gonna continue for Faye's latest meltdown.
She might do it, but I just feel like she's said the same thing before. I like Dora, but she does tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.
She might do it, but I just feel like she's said the same thing before. I like Dora, but she does tend to make the same mistakes over and over again.
And let's be honest. That is very, very, human.
Question: What do you guys think about the background changing to express the character's emotions? Like, this comic's 'hugging it out' or last week's 'I farted in front of him'?
Weirdly fast? Umm, what? Didn't we have like an entire week for one Clariten date?
Weirdly fast? Umm, what? Didn't we have like an entire week for one Clariten date?
Maybe that's part of whats causing the feeling of being rushed; all the sickly sweet, girlfriend Clare stuff just drags on and on, and now that we're doing something else it feels line we're being railroaded through it as quickly as possible just so we can get back to more squee moments.
If we're moving quickly, it's more likely towards Faye's support group, which I doubt will be especially full of squee. This was a squee moment before the serious sets in, I predict.
Possibly, but remember that Dora and Marten had several disagreements before breaking up. This was just the first warning, I guess more will come. It seems Dora is slowly heading for a friendless life (OK, she still has Mieville (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2429), unless she has run away, we have not seen her for a very long time).
Changing the behavior seems like a better plan. Let's not mischaracterize my opening bold statement while we're pointing out what I originally said. If you want to hold me to to "would be better" you've got to accept that I think Dora is wrong and Dora probably needs to focus on smaller items. I may not have qualified one statement enough, but I made it pretty clear otherwise that I was stating my view, not a bold declaration of universal truth.
Aww, now I'm sad. I didn't want to be sad tonight Jeph :(
Aww, now I'm sad. I didn't want to be sad tonight Jeph :(
I've wondered that, too. It hasn't been a plot point in a while, though, so that moment may have passed.
another lost plot point, what happened to the other CoD? Remember, Dora had to make Faye manager due to opening a second location.
another lost plot point, what happened to the other CoD? Remember, Dora had to make Faye manager due to opening a second location.
No, Faye became manager because Dora couldn't handle her workload, same reason she hired Dale.
Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
another lost plot point, what happened to the other CoD? Remember, Dora had to make Faye manager due to opening a second location.
No, Faye became manager because Dora couldn't handle her workload, same reason she hired Dale.
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
tywren is a time traveler from the very distant future, after the universe's Poincaré recurrence time. They bring Nirvana albums, but they're a very close approximation of the ones you've already heard.another lost plot point, what happened to the other CoD? Remember, Dora had to make Faye manager due to opening a second location.
No, Faye became manager because Dora couldn't handle her workload, same reason she hired Dale.
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Wonder if Dora will make the connection between how she's feeling right now and how Tai felt a few strips back as a result of Dora shutting her out.
The situations aren't analogous, though, because it would require Faye to get her head out of her butt and acknowledge that in the case of what she did specifically to Dora, which was break her trust, she fucked up. She has acknowledged everything else - her issues with drinking, her need for therapy, her need for a support group - but she has not yet acknowledged that she betrayed Dora and she hasn't done this because Faye is in her feelings about this and feels Dora was wrong to fire her. Maybe she understands it on some level, but she is still pissed about it. Dora realized immediately that she was out of line on Tai. Faye probably feels that she is being virtuous and adult by not calling Dora names or shittalking her.
I, for one, will be fine if this friendship is over for good and Dora finds a group of friends that appreciate her. I hope that is the epiphany she has, similar to the one she had when she inevitably realized Marten wasn't in love with her and never was going to be so the relationship had to end. Maybe Dora will start making the sort of changes in her social life that will bring her to a class of people who recognize her great attributes and will not act like shitlords to her.
Fuck, Tai is DATING her. If a person I was dating told she thought everyone in her social circle was against her, I'd think she had a persecution complex, too! Her friends ain't shitlords for giving their honest opinions, dude!
I don't see how you get Faye not thinking she deserved to be fired in this strip. 'No hard feelings' implies that she knows she deserved the firing, but isn't going to hold it against Dora. If she didn't think she deserved it, she wouldn't be skulking in and all but declaring that she won't darken the shop's doorstep again.
Your bias against Faye is seriously coloring your interpretation of the strip, methinks.
"Just let me grab my gear, take one last look at the place, and then I'll get out."
That's a pretty good indication that Faye intends to not come back, at least for now. I don't see how it could be read any other way.
At the very least, it hints that she doesn't feel she should be there, and that's not taking into consideration that her most recent memories of the place aren't good ones. If she didn't need her things, I doubt she'd have set foot in the place for a good long while, if at all.
Faye realized pretty early on that she fucked up, and it's quite possible that she's every bit as pissed at herself as at Dora right now. Rather than relying on snark -- her usual fallback defense mechanism -- she's acknowledging that she's not ready to talk about this yet, which I think is healthier than trying to put on a brave face and have a superficial conversation that either doesn't say what she really needs to say to Dora (the admission of guilt that you mention) or that just ends up a bunch of bullshit platitudes.
What I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
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What I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
Bah. Dang tablet. I'm having a terrible time with this thing tonight. I'm going to bed. Can't get my damned quotes right.
QuoteWhat I was referring to was the fact that in remaining silent, they were both coming from a similar place. They both have things they either don't want to, or aren't ready to, talk about, and they're both taking some part of that out on people who don't deserve it -- Dora with Tai, Faye with Dora. I thought that being on the receiving end of the same attitude she'd shown Tai might give Dora a little different perspective. It'll be interesting to see whether tomorrow or Monday's strip leads to Dora, like Tai, deciding to take a different tack and seeing if that gets her anywhere.
The difference, IMO of course, is that Tai was actively being a prat and digging when Dora was being pretty clear that she didn't want to talk. Tai then snapped at Dora and Dora responded in kind. Was it OK for Dora to do that? No. Should she have said "Hey, you know what, I get that you are concerned, but I don't want to talk about it right now"? Yes, that would have been better. But Tai would not stop prying and Dora lashed out.
As opposed to here, where Dora is respecting Faye's desire to not speak. She tried it and Faye shut it down, and Dora is doing what Tai should have done and backed off. So I don't think Dora is going to necessarily draw many comparisons between what's going on here and what went on with her and Tai, not least because Dora likely still feels guilty about firing Faye in the first place.
As for her relationship with Marten, you're overlooking the fact that both of them shoulder the blame for that. Besides which, regardless of how many "great attributes" someone has -- and Dora does have her share -- they don't go very far in salvaging a toxic relationship. The end of something that isn't right, whether for one's own sanity or for self-preservation, is far from being a "shitlord."
Why not?
I sincerely doubt that Tai was prying for the sake of "being a prat." You mean to tell me you've never had a conversation with someone where you knew darn well something was wrong and the person to whom you were speaking wasn't telling you? And had it bother you that they were bothered, not because it had anything to do with you but because you loved or otherwise cared about them?
As RF mentions above, neither of them handled it as well as they could've (and I also agree that being shot down when you're trying to help someone or hear them out rather sucks when you're on the receiving end), but I think it's stretching it a bit to say that Tai's poking the bear just for the sake of it.
re I got a reference to Marten, you mentioned him specifically while suggesting that Dora find a new "class" of people, suggesting that you'd surveyed her current group of friends (not just Faye) and found them wanting. Admittedly, I may have misinterpreted your meaning there.
Also, Kale Kale Kale!
Wonder why Jeph didn't make WWW.QUESTIONABLECONTENT.HORSE (http://WWW.QUESTIONABLECONTENT.HORSE) a clickable link?
Because horses make everything better!
That said... I think that Dora is learning that actions can have irreversible consequences.Again, "Boss Dora" and "Friend Dora" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2676) are incompatible, but inseparable, entities. As boss, she did the right thing, but as friend this really hurts. Faye probably realizes this, and does not really blame Dora, but the friendship is over. One might argue that the friendship probably got damaged way back when Dora seduced Marten (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=564), although they remained (mostly) on friendly terms while at work.
I've been wondering for a long while when (or if) Jeph is going to change the tone of the comic from "a bunch of guys in their early twenties hanging out" to "a bunch of guys in their mid-late twenties trying to find out what to do with their lives". I think that he himself has moved on from the first stage and has done very well for himself (congrats Jeph!)
And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?
And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?Already ? I'm missing Raven. Imagine how I feel ...
I thought the whole point was to get Claire to desecrate the holy stacks with Marten. RAWR.
And Momo, May, Cosette, Steve, Emily, even Clinton...And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?Already ? I'm missing Raven. Imagine how I feel ...
And Momo, May, Cosette, Steve, Emily, even Clinton...And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?Already ? I'm missing Raven. Imagine how I feel ...
There are lots of characters that has had very little screen time recently. Claire can fade away for a while. My favorite arc (besides Faye's path to recovery) would be the Emily / Clinton relationship. This is going to be hilarious...
May might actually be my favorite. If I had to pick who was most like me, it'd be May hands down (I'm kind of a dick).
... I also miss the clever swearing. The word Doucheboat is still hilarious.
1. Faye took control of the convo and the situation. She's the John Lennon of this Beatles breakup. They're not gonna reconcile until Faye says so.
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?Of all the music they could bring, you want to know about Nirvana?
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Kind of a bittersweet strip. I think it's pretty true to life too, given the circumstances: awkward, not exactly cordial, but civil. It's the first step towards a longer conversation that will hopefully be had when the dust settles.Yeah... You can never go home again.
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Of all the music they could bring, you want to know about Nirvana?
Also, not one 'may the .horse be with you' joke yet? You people are slipping.That is the stuff of night mares :mrgreen:
And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?
I believe he did, and he's also responsible for walmart.horse, which Walmart has sent him a C&D for.:mrgreen: Note to big evil corporations: Grab all possible TLDs while you can. It may cost you a few thousand dollars per year, but it is worth it.
And on another note - am I the only one who misses Claire?
well it gave me a damn heart attack when I went there so uh kinda?Also, not one 'may the .horse be with you' joke yet? You people are slipping.That is the stuff of night mares :mrgreen:
Question: The http://www.questionablecontent.horse (http://www.questionablecontent.horse) prank, was this done by Jeph himself? Or did any of you pranksters just grab that domain name?
So, micro-poll for tomorrow. Will we have:For the record, I vote '1', with Faye ending up in the uncomfortable position of dealing with Dora, who has suddenly broken down during the process of removing her metalworking gear.
- Continuation of Dora Arc - Some sort of emotional fall-out from this week?
- Comedic one-off - Pintsize? Hanners and Mar-bear? You make the call!
- Step sidways - An indirect conclusion to this week's strips such as Claire calming down Marten or Faye talking to Marten about her current ambivalence towards Dora?
- Other - Specify in comment
I've been wondering for a long while when (or if) Jeph is going to change the tone of the comic from "a bunch of guys in their early twenties hanging out" to "a bunch of guys in their mid-late twenties trying to find out what to do with their lives". I think that he himself has moved on from the first stage and has done very well for himself (congrats Jeph!)
If there is an autobiographical aspect to QC (and I believe that there is, at the very least on the subconscious level), then we can expect Marten and others to focus more and more on a settled life and careers and maybe even follow some long-held plans.
I doubt Hanners or Marten should be handling welding gear unsupervised.
I doubt Hanners or Marten should be handling welding gear unsupervised.
I thought the whole point was to get Claire to desecrate the holy stacks with Marten. RAWR.
That incident will not be shown in the strip. All we'll get is clues, like Tai complaining that the CCTV footage for several hours one night had been erased. Momo keeps on saying that she "can't discuss it" and changing the topic. Before she leaves that day, she pockets something Marten gives her and says: "A pleasure doing business with you!" Meanwhile, Claire keeps on blushing and fidgeting as if she's getting a strong associative memory whilst stacking shelves.
What are you using to solder the wire anyway? (When I'm soldering, I'm working with wires, printed circuit boards, and integrated circuit (or IC socket) pins, FWIW.)A little butane mini-torch. I haven't quite gotten the fine art of getting the solder to flow yet.
Soldering isn't welding - soldering is melting a low-temperature melt alloy to stick two pieces of metal together. Welding is melting two similar metals (and sometimes a rod of the same type of metal) together.
That's like asking whether mixing two types of glue together is called mixing or glueing.
So, micro-poll for tomorrow.
- Other - Specify in comment
That's like asking whether mixing two types of glue together is called mixing or glueing.
I love either/or questions for which the answer is 'yes.' They make me unaccountably happy.
That's like asking whether mixing two types of glue together is called mixing or glueing.
I love either/or questions for which the answer is 'yes.' They make me unaccountably happy.
Is that happiness that cannot be accounted for or happiness whose account cannot be determined?
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Screw that. Can you get a boxed Blu-ray set of The Complete Firefly, seasons 1-8? I've only seen through the end of season 5, and that was a shitty bootleg.
Maybe tywren is a multiverse traveler. tywren did you bring any new Nirvana albums across the gap?
Screw that. Can you get a boxed Blu-ray set of The Complete Firefly, seasons 1-8? I've only seen through the end of season 5, and that was a shitty bootleg.
Along with the 6 seasons of Dark Angel?
Delurking to say that definitely felt like the end of an era. More than the Dora/Marten break up, or even The Talk, this feels like a seismic shift in where the comic is going. I don't think Faye has any intention of setting foot in CoD again, and if the story follows her and Marten as they move on, we'll probably see less and less of the coffee shop.
*Plays the sad song at the ending to the Hulk*
Sigh indeed. One word, all emotion, a sad goodbye and on the night that GWS is slated to end as well.
This is going to be a feels filled night.
Edit: song
I'm thrilled that Dora showed once again that she is capable of tact and intelligence and is not the "irrational bitch" that so many people seem to feel she is
Delurking to say that definitely felt like the end of an era. More than the Dora/Marten break up, or even The Talk, this feels like a seismic shift in where the comic is going. I don't think Faye has any intention of setting foot in CoD again, and if the story follows her and Marten as they move on, we'll probably see less and less of the coffee shop.
Good thing The Man Himself said that QC wasn't going to end "anytime soon," (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30403.msg1297057.html#msg1297057) or I'd be worried that this was the end, or the first of several endings, Peter Jackson/LOTR-style. Of course, that was almost two months ago, and Jeph's definition of "anytime soon" might be different than ours, so prepare your pitchforks and get ready to march, just in case.
CoD will return...
In
The Secret of the Shrubbery
Coming Soon
I don't think the pitchforks will be necessary. While Jeph seems to like giving all his characters screen time, the comic has always been about Marten and Faye. Marten's ties to Coffee of Doom have been pretty tenuous since he and Dora split. And Faye just cut all ties.
[...]
And Faye has been kicked into motion by circumstances that have forced her to change everything about her life. On the up side, she still has Marten, who is pretty damned good at taking care of people he cares about.
I think its going to be interesting.
{snippage} They hung out together less and less..and when she could have told Faye to get help or else she couldn't come back, or write her up and give her an ultimatum. .she fired her. Now she feels hurt that Faye doesn't apologize or confide in her or..whatever. Maybe she blames Faye for her breakup with Marten still, even if she knows it is crazy . I don't think Faye is a easy person to get along with, and I don't think drinking on the job is alright.. but it just didn't seem like the right thing to do unless there was some underlying reason. {further snippage} She was visibly drowning and her best female friend wrote her off.
It's just a weird feeling, is all. Faye has been working at COD since before the comic started (although she probably hadn't been there long at that point), and having her first get fired and then cut all ties to the place is a major change in the strip, more than anything Marten's been through, I think. Even if Jeph has plans to continue QC for another 5-10 years (fingers crossed!), the thought that COD won't be the major setting it once was, after nearly 3000 strips, is quite a big deal. End of an era indeed.
Huggin' It OutI SMELL A T-SHIRT
As Dora herself hinted, when she asked Faye something to the effect "Do you want to work retail forever?".
Did someone just say "The only way they'd be friends is if Dora broke into tears sobbing begging/FAYE/ for forgiveness"
Faye's statement, "take one last look at the place", indicates she has no intentions of coming back as a customer. It would hurt too much. Unless Dora breaks down tomorrow, sobbing and begging forgiveness from Faye, I guess this is the last time we see them together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4C1ZQKmw4Love it but the mood was ruined when I saw the most recent comment on the video:
I'm not sure what kind of equipment Faye uses. Could be gas (volatiles) or electric (voltage).It looks like both. The box underneath looks like an electric rig, but that's plainly a gas-bottle on top. And then there are welding techniques that do use electric-arc and gas together; TIG for example.
Jeph's been taking cues from anime/manga art styles for a very long time, though...
Omega Entity, thank you, bur colour me stupid - I can't see the angry X, I just see an angry/determined character. Should I start reading manga? (I'm open to it depending on how expensive it is.)
No worries. I'm terrible about edits. I always think of something after I've hit post, and then find myself scrabbling to edit before anyone sees the post, lol.
Edit: And Omega is fine for me. Or Dani. Take your pick :-p
I think I missed something here, possibly a reference to Alpha - Omega. I always feel I'm punching above my weight on this forum, hence my reluctance to post. Wait, do you mean it's ok to call you Dani? I identify as a geek, wish I was brainy enough to be a nerd, and thought I'd left my dork days behind me. ETA: Oh I am the most awkward being to ever exist. I swear I'm an actually quite normal person, and my husband is telling me right now that I should stop leaving awkward comments all over the place.
No worries. I'm terrible about edits. I always think of something after I've hit post, and then find myself scrabbling to edit before anyone sees the post, lol.
Edit: And Omega is fine for me. Or Dani. Take your pick :-p
I think I missed something here, possibly a reference to Alpha - Omega. I always feel I'm punching above my weight on this forum, hence my reluctance to post. Wait, do you mean it's ok to call you Dani? I identify as a geek, wish I was brainy enough to be a nerd, and thought I'd left my dork days behind me. ETA: Oh I am the most awkward being to ever exist. I swear I'm an actually quite normal person, and my husband is telling me right now that I should stop leaving awkward comments all over the place.
Just wanted to add that my call for next week is Faye at the support group, possibly mixed with some fall-out - maybe Dora visiting Marten to pour our her heart to him or something similar. Jeph wouldn't have posted such an emotionally striking strip as he had today if he didn't want there to be fall-out amongst the characters.
I'm sure everyone's ready for me to go climb back into the hole from whence I came because of my dumbass posts.
I'm sure everyone's ready for me to go climb back into the hole from whence I came because of my dumbass posts.
I like your posts, let's be friends. Do you wanna build a snowman?
I think Neko has it. Faye HAS done this before. "Screw you guys, I'm leaving." And here she is now, adrift with no anchor, no boyfriend, no husband, no dogs, no cats, no robots... truly ready to go anywhere in the world.
And now GWS has ended.
Anyway, I'm looking at today's comic and all I can hear is Pearl Jam's Off He Goes.
And now GWS has ended.
Anyway, I'm looking at today's comic and all I can hear is Pearl Jam's Off He Goes.
What I got at the end of that was the ending theme from the Incredible Hulk TV show.
Did someone just say "The only way they'd be friends is if Dora broke into tears sobbing begging/FAYE/ for forgiveness"
What? :psyduck:
"Oh Oh great and PURE Faye! I am so sorry I fired you for coming to work where you are an assistant manager, and in charge of dealing with customers DRUNK After you both lied to me about being drunk then snuck in the back to avoid working to drink more! PLEASE forgive me for my crimes! :cry:"
I have only one thing to say to that...
:grumpypuss:
Oh, come on, dude, that's been posted twice already since today's comic went up. I feel like you're just messing with my head.
Edit: mentioned once, posted once in unrelated instances by different people
Future Plot I'd Like to See
It's a long weekend and Marten invites Claire to stay over for those three nights and four days. Will Faye be able to handle it? Will Pintsize be able to handle it?
(Hey, I could've posted the closing segment of The Incredible Hulk again. Daaa dA da daaaaa… )
Future Plot I'd Like to See
It's a long weekend and Marten invites Claire to stay over for those three nights and four days. Will Faye be able to handle it? Will Pintsize be able to handle it?
no, benrg, bloody hell no. three nights and four days? how long would that take in the comic? i'd have to take a break from reading, there is no way I could stand that much claire.
You know, your near-hysterical dislike of Claire, initially funny in a sad way, is just becoming tiresome.
puppies and warm sunny days!
On the topic of apologies, one can apologize without actually having done anything "wrong" or "bad". In those cases, it's an, "I'm sorry that my actions hurt you," sort of thing that can smooth over hurt feelings. Like, if your phone dies and you miss a text message from a friend, you might say something like, "I'm sorry that I missed your message," to acknowledge that the person might have been upset that it seemed that you were ignoring them or that they were inconvenienced. I do this often. It's not because I think I've screwed up so badly that everyone hates me or anything, but because acknowledging other people's feelings (even if I'm justified) helps keep friendships together and helps us see each other's points of view.
I think that's more of the apology style that might smooth things over between Faye and Dora. Whether or not that's a meaningful thing to either of them, I'm not sure.
I think Neko has it. Faye HAS done this before. "Screw you guys, I'm leaving." And here she is now, adrift with no anchor, no boyfriend, no husband, no dogs, no cats, no robots... truly ready to go anywhere in the world.
Future Plot I'd Like to See
It's a long weekend and Marten invites Claire to stay over for those three nights and four days. Will Faye be able to handle it? Will Pintsize be able to handle it?
no, benrg, bloody hell no. three nights and four days? how long would that take in the comic? i'd have to take a break from reading, there is no way I could stand that much claire.
You know, your near-hysterical dislike of Claire, initially funny in a sad way, is just becoming tiresome.
This be a perfect spot for a time-jump. I'll be surprised if there was one, but it'd work so well.
*another time skip*This be a perfect spot for a time-jump. I'll be surprised if there was one, but it'd work so well.
It was two years since the robot revolution. Everyone Marten loved was either killed or turned into mindless cyborg slaves. But he would survive no matter what. Survive and have his vengeance.
Future Plot I'd Like to See
It's a long weekend and Marten invites Claire to stay over for those three nights and four days. Will Faye be able to handle it? Will Pintsize be able to handle it?
no, benrg, bloody hell no. three nights and four days? how long would that take in the comic? i'd have to take a break from reading, there is no way I could stand that much claire.
Just wanted to add that my call for next week is Faye at the support group, possibly mixed with some fall-out - maybe Dora visiting Marten to pour our her heart to him or something similar. Jeph wouldn't have posted such an emotionally striking strip as he had today if he didn't want there to be fall-out amongst the characters.
This be a perfect spot for a time-jump. I'll be surprised if there was one, but it'd work so well.
Future Plot I'd Like to See
It's a long weekend and Marten invites Claire to stay over for those three nights and four days. Will Faye be able to handle it? Will Pintsize be able to handle it?
SPOILER: The weird blue boy is actually Pintsize in a new chassis.
Is it completely inappropriate that I want this to be the song playing in the background as Faye walks out of Coffee of Doom?
Really, the only way Coffee of Doom would disappear would be if it burned down to the ground and Dora deciding she should try her luck in Patagonia.
I haven't read any manga, but I'm happy to know I'm not alone in my dislike of the captioning. Is the angry X in manga a stylised frown, or has it become more of a shortcut to show that a character is angry? Or both? (Edited because managa isn't a thing).
What if Faye's old toaster is still in town and tries to avenge her by breaking into CoD and doing what it did to her apartment? "The stupid toaster was just out to get me", she said. It might try to make it up to her in exactly the wrong way.
Is it completely inappropriate that I want this to be the song playing in the background as Faye walks out of Coffee of Doom?
I would think that Faye isn't going to permanently give up her metalwork, so... where's she going to do it in the future? My money is on the Deathmole practice space.
I presume the perspective in Friday's cartoon was from the counter looking out to the street.
I presume the perspective in Friday's cartoon was from the counter looking out to the street.
Er, the counter's right there in the picture on the right (as drawn). There's a crude layout map in the wiki:
The hedge (which has a name which I can't remember) is missing though, and the proportions are off.
His name is Melvin (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=467).I presume the perspective in Friday's cartoon was from the counter looking out to the street.
Er, the counter's right there in the picture on the right (as drawn). There's a crude layout map in the wiki:
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The hedge (which has a name which I can't remember) is missing though, and the proportions are off.
Thanks for that - we'd call that a mud-map in Australia; enough to let you find your way around. I've enjoyed the comic for a year now, and I've only just discovered this social side to it.
PLOT TWIST TWIST: May is Faye's new toaster.
Frakin' Cylons
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Thanks for that - we'd call that a mud-map in Australia; enough to let you find your way around. I've enjoyed the comic for a year now, and I've only just discovered this social side to it.
Yeah, it's been determined since I made that up that the cafe is narrower and a bit longer. Faye was probably looking at the front of the store from the doorway to the back room - ironically, where Dora caught her drinking.
It also appears that there is actually only the one table, instead of the three I had pictured.
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Thanks for that - we'd call that a mud-map in Australia; enough to let you find your way around. I've enjoyed the comic for a year now, and I've only just discovered this social side to it.
Yeah, it's been determined since I made that up that the cafe is narrower and a bit longer. Faye was probably looking at the front of the store from the doorway to the back room - ironically, where Dora caught her drinking.
It also appears that there is actually only the one table, instead of the three I had pictured.
All this talk about BSG, and I'm left thinking that Sven would make a good Gaius Baltar.
I was referring more to appearance and general attitude before everything went to shit. Basically, Baltar before the bombs fell.
Baltar before the bombs fell.
I was referring more to appearance and general attitude before everything went to shit. Basically, Baltar before the bombs fell.
Oh yeah, agree 140% in that case.
I was referring more to appearance and general attitude before everything went to shit. Basically, Baltar before the bombs fell.
Oh yeah, agree 140% in that case.
He doesn't look a bit like John Colicos.