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Title: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Mar 2015, 05:42
We're at another obvious point where Jeph could do almost anything.

With the exception of Faye reconciling with Dora (and that's not likely to happen immediately, given either protagonist's personality) there remains little to be said and done in the current time-frame.  To me, the most likely 'non-skip' option is events of the late evening with Claire and Marten quizzing Faye and maybe Hanners about what happened at the support group and, personally, I think that's unlikely. Unless there are some specific jokes Jeph wants to tell, there is little to be gained in story terms to rehashing last week's strips as a four-way conversation.

My guess is that the next obvious thing to do in the current time-frame is pick up on exactly what Clinton 'hanging out' with Emily entails.

What would I expect to see in a time skip? Maybe to leap forwards to the run up to Thanksgiving. Will Claire spend it with her family or with her new and expanding circle of friends centred around Marten and Tai? That could make for some interesting character writing and maybe give Jeph an excuse to expand on Mrs A's feelings about her oldest child spreading her wings and flying away.

However, knowing Jeph, he'll surprise us all.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 29 Mar 2015, 05:46
My guess? Butts.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Mar 2015, 09:56
It was tough, not making a new thread saturday night again. But other people need a chance. And I didn't have a good poll.

Anyway kinda thinking we're getting 'Thanks for the advice, yadda yadda SO, what's a nerd like you need a support group for anyway?' Which has me half thinking we should hold off on that, because you don't want Claire to JUST be the trans girl. But the other half of me wants to see it anyway.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 29 Mar 2015, 10:21
Maybe to leap forwards to the run up to Thanksgiving. Will Claire spend it with her family or with her new and expanding circle of friends centred around Marten and Tai?

Or where will Marten spend it? With Claire and her mother (and Clinton) or with his mother (and Jim and Sam)? Either is rich in comedic possibilities.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Mar 2015, 10:27
Ok, Jim & Veronica and Marten & Claire need married immediately.

Two Mom's and FOUR dads!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 Mar 2015, 11:37
My guess? Butts.

Everything is butts, but like, in a good way, because butts are quality
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Mar 2015, 12:15
Four dads? Mr Augustus isn't really part of Claire's life anymore, apparently. I'm not entirely sure Marten would see Jim as Dad-3 material, even if he and Sam would get a step sibling thing going. "Here's my mom's new husband, who went out with my ex before she hooked up with my boss."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 12:15
Any scenario that allows Claire to meet Sam is fine by me. 

"Eee little sister!"
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Mar 2015, 12:22
Faye starts officially babysitting Sam at the apartment and Claire stops by? I mean Faye's going to need some source of income, and Jim needs someone who can handle Sam.... Seems like a good match.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: explicit on 29 Mar 2015, 12:31
If I were a father I probably wouldn't have someone who has a serious history with alcohol abuse watch my kid.

I know she's getting better and wouldn't drink around the kid, but only because I'm reading this comic. Jim would have no way of knowing that. He'd only know she got fired for drinking.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 12:32
Faye starts officially babysitting Sam at the apartment and Claire stops by? I mean Faye's going to need some source of income, and Jim needs someone who can handle Sam.... Seems like a good match.

Dunno about that.  Faye taught Sam how to weld, so Claire wouldn't stand a chance.  Probably best if she and Sam got to hang out once without Sam's cooler older sister ruining things.  Maybe Marten and Claire spend a day with Veronica, Jim, and Sam, just some sort of proto-family gathering.  As long as Clinton doesn't tag along and ruin things by having a cool robot hand. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Mar 2015, 12:33
Thinking about it some more, I'm wondering if the "Faye teaching Sam to make an Old Fashioned" thing was meant as a tipoff that Faye was starting to drink at work?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: osaka on 29 Mar 2015, 12:45
Four dads? Mr Augustus isn't really part of Claire's life anymore, apparently. I'm not entirely sure Marten would see Jim as Dad-3 material, even if he and Sam would get a step sibling thing going. "Here's my mom's new husband, who went out with my ex before she hooked up with my boss."

When he knew about Jim, one of the things he told Veronica was on the lines of "and if you get married, I'll have three dads! That's so many dads!"

But yeah, Dad 4.0 is out of the question.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 13:11
So...you're sayin' that Ms. Augustus is single, eh?  No one tell Tai.  She's the one who first suggested introducing Veronica to Jim, and that initial success at matchmaking has probably just emboldened her.

"So, Jimbo...how's your love life?  You lookin' to settle down yet?"
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Mar 2015, 13:48
P...Pentadads?!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Mar 2015, 13:50
Faye gets a commission from a strange woman named Alice
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Mar 2015, 13:56
Faye gets a commission from a strange woman named Alice

She's later seen taking two bodies wrapped in carpet rolls to the quarry. The village returns to its peaceful existence.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 29 Mar 2015, 14:10
Faye gets a commission from a strange woman named Alice

She's later seen taking two bodies wrapped in carpet rolls to the quarry. The village returns to its peaceful existence.
Some years later, a legend about the quarry arises. They say it's haunted, but the ghost never does anything. It just stands on the water and watches.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 29 Mar 2015, 14:25
Some say it watches the moon, but careful observers note that it actually watches the ECTech space station as it passes overhead. And sometimes it audibly sighs at the sight of it.

"Home..."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SmilingHobo on 29 Mar 2015, 16:33
Thinking about it some more, I'm wondering if the "Faye teaching Sam to make an Old Fashioned" thing was meant as a tipoff that Faye was starting to drink at work?  :psyduck:
Maybe...Faye has actually been shown explicitly drinking at work before this. I forget when exactly, but Raven called her out on it and Faye's excuse was that "it's almost closing time". I don't think it's implied that she was drinking at work regularly before the breakup with Angus, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Mar 2015, 16:49
642
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 29 Mar 2015, 20:37
Comic!

"She's helpful! She's helpful!"

And yes, she's also a dork.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Mar 2015, 20:39
Oh my gosh, that is the cutest.

And not sickeningly cute. Cute cute.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 29 Mar 2015, 20:40
Adorkable. I don't know if i should squee or roll my eyes.

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 20:40
All right, people, THIS IS NOT A DRILL.  Someone get me a dancing Claire gif STAT.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 29 Mar 2015, 20:45
Someone's going to harp on how aggravating it is that  :claireface: did this but, you know what?

It's cute. She's a dork, and she's just happy she's helped.

I think I can safely say: Haters gunna hate.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: neurocase on 29 Mar 2015, 20:50
Marten's genuine, pleased-as-punch pride regarding Claire's dorkiness totally makes this strip for me. He seems so happy about it!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 29 Mar 2015, 20:53
Oh my gosh, that is the cutest.

And not sickeningly cute. Cute cute.

So true.  So many of the strips between these two have been so thick with sap that I'm glad to see one that actually makes cuteness work.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 29 Mar 2015, 21:00
Other characters have dances for having just had sex, Claire has a dance for being helpful! :D

Also, I guess Faye gave Pintsize the dick before she left for the group. I just took Marten's read from the last strip as correct, so I assumed she did it after she came back from the group with all those positive feelings. Her last Coffee of Doom trip must've left her in a decent mood.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 29 Mar 2015, 21:01
I think it's the counterpunch from Faye that really sells those last two panels. If a dork dorks in the woods and nobody is around to call them a dork, is the dork still a dork?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Mar 2015, 21:06
And now it's time for Claire to take Marten back to his room.

Y'know, just to get him out of that shirt as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: mustang6172 on 29 Mar 2015, 21:13
Be this our dance of booty?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 21:45
Be this our dance of booty?

No, but it'll do.

For now...

(Because let's face it, two panels don't make for much of a gif)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Mar 2015, 21:47
Adorkable. I don't know if i should squee or roll my eyes.

You could do both. Y'know, multitasking.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: PopuluxeCowboy on 29 Mar 2015, 21:52
Dancing Claire is every bit as adorable as Dancing Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Shjade on 29 Mar 2015, 21:54
Well. It's official.

That dance has put Claire to the top of the cute QC characters list.

It was a good race, but it's over now.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 29 Mar 2015, 22:07
If a dork dorks in the woods and nobody is around to call them a dork, is the dork still a dork?

Yes, even more so (since there are no witnesses).
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: explicit on 29 Mar 2015, 22:22
Be this our dance of booty?

No, but it'll do.

For now...

(Because let's face it, two panels don't make for much of a gif)

If I don't get it soon then I am going to throw such a fit. Curse words will be used and everything!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Mar 2015, 22:49
And I do believe that Marten has chosen the right one this time.

Cute as a button, dorky as hell


Perfect match  :)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Mar 2015, 23:13
Dancing Claire is every bit as adorable as Dancing Marigold.

Are you absolutely sure about that?  Because we should probably have a dance-off, just to be sure.

...And STAY TUNED for Round Two of the Miss QC Pageant: Victorian Dress!





(The swimsuit portion of this competition has been moved to the Mr. QC Pageant.  Steve is heavily favored to win.)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Mar 2015, 23:28
So, now we know something new about Claire: In the end, all she has ever wanted is to make a positive contribution. Doing so is clearly the secret of her happiness. :laugh:

Poor Faye, though! She's just going to have to learn to handle the fact that Marten likes to choose girls who are exotic and unique in some way. This is even true of the normal ones, like Claire. You just wonder how long that Claire's been waiting to hear that she's helped someone! So, shake those moves, girl! We'll see if the others join in!

Marten's pleased reaction tells the stoy: He likes to have girlfriends who get such joy out of life!

[EDIT]
I think that we're seeing a bit of Claire's struggle here. All the evidence to date suggests that Claire, pre-Internship, was lonely and badly socialised. Not in the "alien in human form" of Hannelore but in a more subtle "I don't know how to do casual interactions" way. Fitting into the group and interacting positively is something that she really wants to do but made her nervous and insecure. Tai's party is an obvious next learning step.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: PopuluxeCowboy on 29 Mar 2015, 23:56
Dancing Claire is every bit as adorable as Dancing Marigold.

Are you absolutely sure about that?  Because we should probably have a dance-off, just to be sure.
Yes, absolutely. Because otherwise, how will we know for sure?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 30 Mar 2015, 00:19
You could do both. Y'know, multitasking.

Sufficiently remarkable?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: rfrank dodelijk on 30 Mar 2015, 00:41
I think I can safely say: Haters gunna hate.

wow! that never occurred to me.
for what it's worth I really thought I didn't like the character claire but I did enjoy her reaction in today's strip. i'm beginning to think that it is just her relationship with marten that annoys me. that and the stupid, not for grown ups noise.
still, hurrah for claire and what a good strip to start the week.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DonInKansas on 30 Mar 2015, 01:17
She's gone full Zoidberg.  You never go full Zoidberg.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Mar 2015, 01:20
What I Want for Tomorrow:
Hannelore sticks her head into the apartment (as is her wont), sees Claire dancing and joins in. We then have five panels of Claire and Hanners dancing in perfect synch before they stop and stare 'out' of the panel. In the last panel we see what they're staring at: a happy Marten and a freaked out Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 30 Mar 2015, 01:25
Dork girlfriends are awesome and highly searched for ! :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: rfrank dodelijk on 30 Mar 2015, 01:33
yeah that's what dork girls want you to think.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DSL on 30 Mar 2015, 01:51
She's gone full Zoidberg.  You never go full Zoidberg.

Why not full Zoidberg?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 30 Mar 2015, 02:15
yeah that's what dork girls want you to think.

Well, they've convinced me!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: St.Clair on 30 Mar 2015, 02:54
Be this our dance of booty?

Wouldn't that require either Claire or Marten to actually have some?
("Booty", that is.)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Mar 2015, 02:58
It's not like Dora has all that much either, and she and Marten had booty dances in comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 30 Mar 2015, 04:08
What I Want for Tomorrow:
Hannelore sticks her head into the apartment (as is her wont), sees Claire dancing and joins in. We then have five panels of Claire and Hanners dancing in perfect synch before they stop and stare 'out' of the panel. In the last panel we see what they're staring at: a happy Marten and a freaked out Faye.

No, last panel is all of them staring in confusion and horror at Marten's attempt to dance.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 30 Mar 2015, 04:55
I have to admit that I'm not a Claire fan.  I tend not to like (not dislike or hate, just not actively like) whichever character is an author's favorite, because I feel like it shows in the writing, and it feels like when you're watching a friend's favorite movie with them and they're sitting there, waiting for you to love it, too.

I also am not big on "cute" in characters, because it usually doesn't work for me.  I'm not really sure why.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Mar 2015, 04:56
Dork girlfriends are awesome and highly searched for ! :-D
yeah that's what dork girls want you to think.

That's because it's true! :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Bologna on 30 Mar 2015, 06:10
So I hate to be that one person, but am I the only one to find Claire's reaction insensitive?  Self-centered?  Immature?

I mean, it's not the rudest thing in the world, but it's far from what I'd call cute.

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Mar 2015, 06:12
Self-centered is really a good way to put that reaction of hers, to be honest, and it did rub me a bit the wrong way. Claire, this is Faye's problem, not yours.

Marten really is quite happy with Claire, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Mar 2015, 06:15
I don't think that "self-centred" is quite correct. The real issue here is "insecure" and uncertain of her own worth. The fact that she's actually helped someone, that she's impacted positively upon someone's life, is a huge thing for Claire. It really says volumes about her hopes, dreams and aspirations that helping someone is a cause for joy.

So, yeah, Claire is reacting more about what this moment means for her than what it means for Faye and that is a bit selfish but, if I'm right about her self-esteem issues, understandable.

Just another nail in the coffin of the arguments of those who insist that the character is a one-dimensional Mary Sue.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: K1dmor on 30 Mar 2015, 06:44
 (http://i.imgur.com/eHeeXDt.gif)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: swapna on 30 Mar 2015, 07:05
I like Marten's proud, absolutely pleased with himself and the world-face. It kinda makes the comic!
Although... Marten feels a lot older than her in this comic (he's probably 2-3 years older, but it seems like way more)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 30 Mar 2015, 07:28
yeah that's what dork girls want you to think.

Yes, yes we do. Why do you think we invented the word 'Adorkable' :)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: osaka on 30 Mar 2015, 07:35
Marten's expression and tee remind me a lot of Mr. Perfect AKA Dave (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1025).
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: rfrank dodelijk on 30 Mar 2015, 08:50
So I hate to be that one person, but am I the only one to find Claire's reaction insensitive?  Self-centered?  Immature?

I mean, it's not the rudest thing in the world, but it's far from what I'd call cute.

the character claire is always those things, it's the way she's written. today those character traits have provided a laugh.
more insensitive, self-centered, immature and funny claire please.
also I want strips with claire but no marten.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Bologna on 30 Mar 2015, 09:40
Agree to disagree.  I have some embarrassment-by-association cringe reaction to all this.   

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Mar 2015, 11:51
Definitely self centered, but she means well. She was the punchline of the strip and I'd say she deserved that, but I don't think any more than that. My pitchfork remains in the barn.

And that was still adorable.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Mar 2015, 11:53
So I hate to be that one person, but am I the only one to find Claire's reaction insensitive?  Self-centered?  Immature?

I mean, it's not the rudest thing in the world, but it's far from what I'd call cute.

Insensitive, self-centered, immature, and cute can go together. Think of puppies or kittens.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 30 Mar 2015, 12:18
So I hate to be that one person, but am I the only one to find Claire's reaction insensitive?  Self-centered?  Immature?

I mean, it's not the rudest thing in the world, but it's far from what I'd call cute.

Insensitive, self-centered, immature, and cute can go together. Think of puppies or kittens.

You can't grow if you don't go through your moments like this.  She's equal parts of 2891 & this strip on her way to becoming what she can be.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: HiFranc on 30 Mar 2015, 13:50
Having read the discussion here I examined how I felt about today's strip and came to the conclusion that it was cute:

{edit} Thinking about it, the discussion reminded me of something that happened to me IRL:

I was the second in a queue.  The person in front of me was being rude to the person behind the counter.  I started getting angry on the employee's behalf.  When it was my turn to be served the first thing the person behind the counter said was, "Don't worry, he's a co-worker and a friend."

Similarly, on deciding whether what she did was rude or cute, I'll follow Faye and Marten's lead.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Mar 2015, 15:14
(http://i.imgur.com/eHeeXDt.gif)

There should be music with that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Mar 2015, 15:36
A song about vikings farming?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Mar 2015, 16:27
(http://i.imgur.com/eHeeXDt.gif)

There should be music with that.

HOLY s{bleep}, I have my headphones on, listening to Wolfmothers "Woman" when I scrolled down to that gif :-o

Sometimes, life is instantly awesome. :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 30 Mar 2015, 17:42
THIS This is the Claire that I was introduced to so long ago. It's good to have her back!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Natswash on 30 Mar 2015, 19:59
(http://i.imgur.com/eHeeXDt.gif)

There should be music with that.

Something light in 2/4 time?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Mar 2015, 20:26
Fitting into the group and interacting positively is something that she really wants to do but made her nervous and insecure. Tai's party is an obvious next learning step.

Are we sure this party is actually happening, though?  Seemed like the "Carnal Playground" flyer was just Tai teasing Claire for being so serious about the library.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Consilium on 30 Mar 2015, 21:35
follow up comic to yesterdays joke. laughed a bit for many reasons, not least of which is the genital humor
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 30 Mar 2015, 21:38
To be fair, she does pose a very good question.

Why would you start with the dick? Isn't it typically good form to start with something load-bearing?

... Ooooooooooooh
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Mar 2015, 21:40
Old Punning Claire would've (well, might've) made a "penetrating question" joke; New Punless Claire lets Jeph do it in the title.




You could say she pun-ted on it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Mar 2015, 21:40
Even though Marten is off screen, I can tell he's got the same expression as he did in yesterday's comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 30 Mar 2015, 21:40
Meantime, Pintsize is off-frame humming "Stainless Steel Providers."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Wildroses on 30 Mar 2015, 21:45
Honestly, if no characters in QC ever engaged in behaviour which could potentially be considered intentionally or unintentionally offensive by some, nobody would read this comic because there would be no drama or comedy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Dark Matter on 30 Mar 2015, 21:54
My question is, what installation is Faye planning that requires a metal dick? And will we ever get to see it in its full glory?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Mar 2015, 21:58
I bet nobody gave Michelangelo shit for this.

The sculptor that is. I bet the turtles were all about the dick jokes off panel.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 30 Mar 2015, 21:59
I bet nobody gave Michelangelo shit for this.

The sculptor that is. I bet the turtles were all about the dick jokes off panel.

No, the sculptor was also all about dick off panel.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 30 Mar 2015, 21:59
I don't think that "self-centred" is quite correct. The real issue here is "insecure" and uncertain of her own worth. The fact that she's actually helped someone, that she's impacted positively upon someone's life, is a huge thing for Claire. It really says volumes about her hopes, dreams and aspirations that helping someone is a cause for joy.

So, yeah, Claire is reacting more about what this moment means for her than what it means for Faye and that is a bit selfish but, if I'm right about her self-esteem issues, understandable.
+1 Insightful. Not so much "selfish" as "self-centred", "egotistical". A defence mechanism. Claire needs to think well of Claire, even if no-one else does.

That means she has to be the kind of gal who helps others, who gets real joy from it. It's her ambition in life to be that kind of person, so when she gets proof that she's made a difference - real proof, it can't just be superficial - of course she does the happy dance. Of course she seeks that evidence too, thirsts for it in a way few could understand. And of course she tries to help even more next time.

She knows she's doing it not for Altruistic reasons, but "selfish" ones if you like. But she figures that as long as others are helped, what does that matter? They're more important than she is (see self-worth issues). She may even realise that about herself, and see it as making what would usually be a liability into an asset.

As do I. Yes, I'm a dork too.

Incredible Kudos to Jeph for people watching and psychological insight.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Mar 2015, 22:28
Just what Faye needs

Someone taking her outside her Comfort Zone


And I 'Saw' the grin on Martens comment as well.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 30 Mar 2015, 22:36
Probably not the way to get on Faye's good side. In the old days Claire might have bought herself a fist in the face with these remarks. Seriously, she's being a dick about this.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Mar 2015, 22:52
Claire's kinda setting herself up for a comeback that'd probably crush her. She's probably got some shit from people in the past so maybe she's tougher than I'm giving her credit for, but she seems like the type of person who'd be devastated if Faye said something crude right now.

I don't think Jeph actually writes that of course. Just aggressive dick jokes seem like a really bad idea unless she's got a thicker skin than she lets on.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Mar 2015, 23:20
*Reads strip title* Groan. Yes, very funny, Jeph!

It is a good question, one that, from panel 3, I think that Faye doesn't want to answer or, possibly, had never asked herself. I'm guessing that either Faye has always been a little lonely or she has a perfect male figure in mind and the phallic dimensions were the first part she perfected.

So, yeah, lonely.

Yes, we've all known that Claire is a smartass with a slight but noticeable mean streak. I'm guessing that Faye forgot the beer can incident or maybe she didn't realise that it wasn't a one-off. It will be interesting to see how the Claire-Faye dynamic now evolves as they become more aware of eachother's quirks. I, personally, think that Faye will be pleased with the challenge.

Meanwhile, Pintsize is still in his happy place. This really is his fondest dream come true, isn't it? :laugh:

"Dude! Your girlfriend is a smartass!"

"I know!"

Somehow, that exchange says so much! I could spend paragraphs on it! Suffice to say that Marten wants a dorky smartass for a girlfriend!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: osaka on 30 Mar 2015, 23:41
Last I knew, Faye was building a Bonercat espresso machine. That could also explain the dick.

Or maybe something I said not too long ago about bronze replicas.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 30 Mar 2015, 23:45
Having been through art school, I can tell you it's trivially easy to infer embarrassing things from artistic choices, particularly the early ones before the piece takes shape. It's not particularly clever or funny or insightful, though. WRT Claire, I'll just say glass houses, kid. You might not like where this goes if you keep pushing it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: anahata on 30 Mar 2015, 23:56
Maybe the sculpture installation is going to be lots of dicks and this is the first, or a prototype. I'm having a flashback to the "arms race" visual gag in a much earlier comic.

Also, it doesn't matter what Claire says - as long as she's taking an interest in something worthwhile that Faye is doing and not asking her about her drink problem, this is taking the conversation (and Faye's self-image) in a good direction.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tova on 31 Mar 2015, 00:03
Heaven forbid that anyone hand Faye of all people a bit of light-hearted snark.

WRT Claire, I'll just say glass houses, kid. You might not like where this goes if you keep pushing it.

I would love to hear you spell out what you mean by this. I suspect that not everyone else would, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 00:15
Heaven forbid that anyone hand Faye of all people a bit of light-hearted snark.

It's long been a characteristic of Faye that she can't take as well as she dishes out. I suspect that Claire is going to be a vector for Jeph to address more Faye character growth.

EDIT
Okay, I've been thinking about this and I know how I think this week into next week is going to progress. Mods, if I've overstepped the mark, PM me and I'll remove this edit. I'll be on-line off-and-on all day.

PANEL 1: Claire is leaning back, looking smug whilst Faye is looking a bit defensive.
CLAIRE: "Seriously, though. Why dicks? Is this sculpture gonna be an erotic nude or something?"
PANEL 2 (half-height): Close up on FAYE's face, looking serious and a bit like she's giving a lecture.
FAYE: "It's one of several that I'm casting. They'll be mounted around a throne to symbolise how, in the modern patriarchal society, male privilege is inextricably linked to sexual identity."
PANEL 3 (half-height): FAYE still in exposition mode, maybe touching her chest or gesturing for emphasis.
FAYE: "It's going to be a challenging piece. I call it: 'Game of Boners'."
PANEL 4 (half-height): CLAIRE'S face, staring, wide-eyed.
PANEL 5 (half-height): CLAIRE is now talking with a big smile.
CLAIRE: "So, it's basically a chair with hundreds of cast metal dicks welded all around it like an ornamental frame and backdrop?"
FAYE: (off panel) "YES...! NO!"
PANEL 6: CLAIRE is leaning forwards making a Claireface (tm), whilst FAYE is leaning back defensively, shouting over her shoulder and looking very angry.
CLAIRE: "'Cause if it is, I'd pay to see it... and the faces of everyone else in the gallery!"
FAYE: "DUDE! Your girlfriend has a sick sense of humour!"
MARTEN: (off panel) "I know!"

Basically, Thursday is an only-semi angry argument with Claire and Faye exchanging biting quips but ends with Claire basically outing herself to Faye. It ends with Faye bursting into the kitchen whilst Marten is trying to detach Pintsize's 'attachment'. "Dude, your girlfriend is a trans!"

The last panel is Faye's shocked expression as Marten replies "I know!" from off panel.

Friday would be either a filler or an inconclusive conversation between Marten and Faye whilst Claire, looking frightened and defensive, is cuddled up by Marten, knees drawn to her chest and sort of hiding behind him.

Next week would then be actually more Faye-based in which we learn something about her childhood (her mother's family is rather bigoted and she's always tried to escape that). Suggested quote: "Every objection I can think of to you being with Marty I hear in my Aunt's voice. If that bigoted witch is the best I can come up with, then I don't have any objections that I respect.". She and Claire would end up declaring a cease-fire but it is clear that the two of them are going to be needling each other from now on (they enjoy it too much).
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: rfrank dodelijk on 31 Mar 2015, 02:49
Heaven forbid that anyone hand Faye of all people a bit of light-hearted snark.

It's long been a characteristic of Faye that she can't take as well as she dishes out. I suspect that Claire is going to be a vector for Jeph to address more Faye character growth.

EDIT
Okay, I've been thinking about this and I know how I think this week into next week is going to progress. Mods, if I've overstepped the mark, PM me and I'll remove this edit. I'll be on-line off-and-on all day.

PANEL 1: Claire is leaning back, looking smug whilst Faye is looking a bit defensive.
CLAIRE: "Seriously, though. Why dicks? Is this sculpture gonna be an erotic nude or something?"
PANEL 2 (half-height): Close up on FAYE's face, looking serious and a bit like she's giving a lecture.
FAYE: "It's one of several that I'm casting. They'll be mounted around a throne to symbolise how, in the modern patriarchal society, male privilege is inextricably linked to sexual identity."
PANEL 3 (half-height): FAYE still in exposition mode, maybe touching her chest or gesturing for emphasis.
FAYE: "It's going to be a challenging piece. I call it: 'Game of Boners'."
PANEL 4 (half-height): CLAIRE'S face, staring, wide-eyed.
PANEL 5 (half-height): CLAIRE is now talking with a big smile.
CLAIRE: "So, it's basically a chair with hundreds of cast metal dicks welded all around it like an ornamental frame and backdrop?"
FAYE: (off panel) "YES...! NO!"
PANEL 6: CLAIRE is leaning forwards making a Claireface (tm), whilst FAYE is leaning back defensively, shouting over her shoulder and looking very angry.
CLAIRE: "'Cause if it is, I'd pay to see it... and the faces of everyone else in the gallery!"
FAYE: "DUDE! Your girlfriend has a sick sense of humour!"
MARTEN: (off panel) "I know!"

Basically, Thursday is an only-semi angry argument with Claire and Faye exchanging biting quips but ends with Claire basically outing herself to Faye. It ends with Faye bursting into the kitchen whilst Marten is trying to detach Pintsize's 'attachment'. "Dude, your girlfriend is a trans!"

The last panel is Faye's shocked expression as Marten replies "I know!" from off panel.

Friday would be either a filler or an inconclusive conversation between Marten and Faye whilst Claire, looking frightened and defensive, is cuddled up by Marten, knees drawn to her chest and sort of hiding behind him.

Next week would then be actually more Faye-based in which we learn something about her childhood (her mother's family is rather bigoted and she's always tried to escape that). Suggested quote: "Every objection I can think of to you being with Marty I hear in my Aunt's voice. If that bigoted witch is the best I can come up with, then I don't have any objections that I respect.". She and Claire would end up declaring a cease-fire but it is clear that the two of them are going to be needling each other from now on (they enjoy it too much).
nah.
today's strip is a belter though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Mar 2015, 02:51
It's long been a characteristic of Faye that she can't take as well as she dishes out. I suspect that Claire is going to be a vector for Jeph to address more Faye character growth.
On the flip side, Claire can't either.

This might actually be good for both Claire and Faye, they'll both learn to not dish as much out, or they'll both learn to take it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 31 Mar 2015, 04:58
Yay snarky Claire! oh, this is going from snarky to mean... ah well, at least it is in character!


However, Is it just me, or are we still being hammered into the point that CLAIRE IS MARTENS GIRLFRIEND!! Did you hear? Marten has a girlfriend and her name is Claire! Marten's girlfriend is a dork! Marten's girlfriend is a smartass! Marten is dating a dorky smartass named Claire!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 05:05
However, Is it just me, or are we still being hammered into the point that CLAIRE IS MARTENS GIRLFRIEND!! Did you hear? Marten has a girlfriend and her name is Claire! Marten's girlfriend is a dork! Marten's girlfriend is a smartass! Marten is dating a dorky smartass named Claire!

Yeah... it's just you. It's a pattern joke, that's all: "Dude your girlfriend is..." with Marten answering (in his usual easy-going way) "I know!" and the thing Claire 'is', according to Faye, likely escalating every day.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TieDyeKat on 31 Mar 2015, 05:08
Okay, this may be a bit of a derail, but how much does Pintsize weigh?  Marten appears to be one-handing him here.  If he has a metal phallus on his head, he probably weighs more (unless that's aircraft aluminum). 

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Mar 2015, 05:13
Basically, Thursday is an only-semi angry argument with Claire and Faye exchanging biting quips but ends with Claire basically outing herself to Faye. It ends with Faye bursting into the kitchen whilst Marten is trying to detach Pintsize's 'attachment'. "Dude, your girlfriend is a trans!"

The last panel is Faye's shocked expression as Marten replies "I know!" from off panel.

Can't see Jeph going there.  And I really can't see Faye reacting to the news about Claire (if she ever finds out) with anything more than a casual shrug.  Hey, as long as Marty's cool with it, that's fine by her.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Mar 2015, 05:22
Pintsize probably weighs somewhere in the ballpark of 10 lbs, I'd guess. Think heavy laptop.

As far as Faye's modifications, depends if they're hollow or not, and I'd guess that they are. I'd guess that Faye's metal sculpture skills are more oriented towards forming sheet metal and welding it together, than machining something down to shape.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 31 Mar 2015, 05:27
I bet nobody gave Michelangelo shit for this.

The sculptor that is. I bet the turtles were all about the dick jokes off panel.

False. Apparently, it's a thing that his nude sculptures/drawings all were, uh, not so well-endowed, to the point where this came up in my art history course.

And BenRG, I can't imagine Jeph going there, to use Claire's transgender status as a punchline, least of all in a pattern joke like this. Faye's going to find out somehow, but it's way too serious/emotionally-charged a conversation to break down to wrap up with a two word-bubble response.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 31 Mar 2015, 05:31
Basically, Thursday is an only-semi angry argument with Claire and Faye exchanging biting quips but ends with Claire basically outing herself to Faye. It ends with Faye bursting into the kitchen whilst Marten is trying to detach Pintsize's 'attachment'. "Dude, your girlfriend is a trans!"

The last panel is Faye's shocked expression as Marten replies "I know!" from off panel.

Can't see Jeph going there.  And I really can't see Faye reacting to the news about Claire (if she ever finds out) with anything more than a casual shrug.  Hey, as long as Marty's cool with it, that's fine by her.

Indeed. Perfectly valid from a drama and storytelling standpoint. Problem is it goes against the message that Calire's status shouldn't matter especially when it comes up in the forum in every discussion about Claire's future in the story. Claire could invite Faye to the library to look at art books, she could crack joke that her brother loves his robot hand so much maybe he'd love a robot dong, she could ask if Faye's making the cock-golem from Gamers: Hands of Fate, they could gripe together about fathers being selfish and going away, they can each grab a metal dildo and do a little phallus fencing (cock fight?) Or Hanners can show up with the little hats.

Edit: typo, grip to gripe.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tangerinewarrior on 31 Mar 2015, 06:11
Basically, Thursday is an only-semi angry argument with Claire and Faye exchanging biting quips but ends with Claire basically outing herself to Faye. It ends with Faye bursting into the kitchen whilst Marten is trying to detach Pintsize's 'attachment'. "Dude, your girlfriend is a trans!"

The last panel is Faye's shocked expression as Marten replies "I know!" from off panel.

Can't see Jeph going there.  And I really can't see Faye reacting to the news about Claire (if she ever finds out) with anything more than a casual shrug.  Hey, as long as Marty's cool with it, that's fine by her.

Indeed. Perfectly valid from a drama and storytelling standpoint. Problem is it goes against the message that Calire's status shouldn't matter especially when it comes up in the forum in every discussion about Claire's future in the story. Claire could invite Faye to the library to look at art books, she could crack joke that her brother loves his robot hand so much maybe he'd love a robot dong, she could ask if Faye's making the cock-golem from Gamers: Hands of Fate, they could grip together about fathers being selfish and going away, they can each grab a metal dildo and do a little phallus fencing (cock fight?) Or Hanners can show up with the little hats.

Statistically, though, someone in the QC cast should be put out by Claire's trans status. I could easily see one of the regulars not being comfortable with Claire. (Agreed, though, it won't be Faye- it'd be someone else like Sven or Marigold).  While it shouldn't be an issue, there are still too many people who don't get it. While Jeph does a great job showing us these positive interactions, he could make just as strong a message by showing the sh*t a trans person has to deal with. He's done it before with the Anthro-PC's (May encountering robo-racism), so it wouldn't be so out of place.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 31 Mar 2015, 06:25
If Faye was on her game, this would totally be the clever characters snarking at each other I enjoy so much out of QC.

STEP YOUR GAME UP FAYE! I dunno, start calling her Claire-bear or something...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 31 Mar 2015, 07:03
Why is it "just superglued" ?

Is it possible to get rid of superglued stuff ?!?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 07:04
Is it possible to get rid of superglued stuff ?!?

I'm told that nail varnish remover is highly effective as a solvent for super-glue.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TinPenguin on 31 Mar 2015, 07:10
Is it possible to get rid of superglued stuff ?!?

I presume Faye does still have the crowbar...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 31 Mar 2015, 07:24
If Faye was on her game, this would totally be the clever characters snarking at each other I enjoy so much out of QC.

That's just it -- she's plainly not "on her game", she just came from a stressful and presumably draining first experience with a support/rehab group.  It's entirely reasonable that she wouldn't be up for much in the way of humour immediately after that.

Which is what makes Claire's response such a jerkass move, and Marten for enabling her: it's entirely insensitive and inconsiderate.  Even though, yes, it was intended in a humourous vein, anyone with a hint of empathy should know Faye is probably in a lousy state of mind right now and lay off.

It could ultimately end up trivial in Faye and Claire's friendship (if it's even that yet), but at the same time, I can't help but get the sense that this may be the first stages of growing animosity that may end up forcing Marten to choose between his girlfriend and his best friend, and I find it hard to believe that the author's (and fanbase's) obvious favourite would actually lose in that situation.

Oh, also, the side helping of double standards: Claire's apparently free to comment on other characters' genitalian issues, but the same regarding her on here gets people the immediate ban (as I no doubt just inched myself closer to).

Warning - while you were typing 3 new, more humourous and less contrarian replies have been posted.  You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: St.Clair on 31 Mar 2015, 07:38
Is it possible to get rid of superglued stuff ?!?

I'm told that nail varnish remover is highly effective as a solvent for super-glue.

Considering that the stuff comes out liquid, and hardens once the solvent is allowed to evaporate, it seems reasonable that adding more solvent would, um, solve it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 31 Mar 2015, 07:42
Yeah, I totally understand why Faye's not at full snark power. I imagine to some extent Claire understands/believes that if you have a healthy outlet for issues you don't want everything else to remind you of them, so she's goofing around like she usually would* instead of being delicate around Faye.

*Or maybe a little exaggerated, I mean she does like to crack jokes and follow them up with huge smiles. Also, she is often really blunt, especially back when she was introduced.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 07:43
Oh, also, the side helping of double standards: Claire's apparently free to comment on other characters' genitalian issues, but the same regarding her on here gets people the immediate ban (as I no doubt just inched myself closer to).

To be quite honest, I can't see any hint of Claire "commenting on other characters' genetalian issues". She's teasing Faye about sculpting a metal phallus apparently before any other component of the sculpture and any further implications are purely in the mind of the reader, IMHO. :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 31 Mar 2015, 07:50
Yeah, I totally understand why Faye's not at full snark power. I imagine to some extent Claire understands/believes that if you have a healthy outlet for issues you don't want everything else to remind you of them, so she's goofing around like she usually would* instead of being delicate around Faye.

*Or maybe a little exaggerated, I mean she does like to crack jokes and follow them up with huge smiles. Also, she is often really blunt, especially back when she was introduced.

Blunt like a falling anvil, since we're on a metal theme today.  :-P

To be quite honest, I can't see any hint of Claire "commenting on other characters' genetalian issues". She's teasing Faye about sculpting a metal phallus apparently before any other component of the sculpture and any further implications are purely in the mind of the reader, IMHO. :wink:

Paging Dr. Freud then?  Something just struck me as very wang ... er, wrong with that situation.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 31 Mar 2015, 08:16
And I really can't see Faye reacting to the news about Claire (if she ever finds out) with anything more than a casual shrug.  Hey, as long as Marty's cool with it, that's fine by her.

I think most people should react. I think the only character who should just give a shrug like when she told Marten would be Tai(And maybe Momo? She is Polite Bot 9000). Faye should be surprised. Then probably a bit politically incorrect, if well meaning.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TeaOfDeath on 31 Mar 2015, 08:24
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here, but her character has gotten both boring and annoying ever since she got together with Marten. I liked her a lot better when she was shy and cute--we already have an overabundance of overbearing female characters in the comic--not that there's anything wrong with any of those characters individually, but all together? It's getting to be a bit much. Claire's not funny anymore, doesn't seem all that intelligent, doesn't have much to recommend her in the way of charm...her initial charm was her shy awkwardness and innocence, and now that that's gone, she's just like another clone of every other female character who's ever been in the comic: a nondescript snarky chick who always has to be a smartass.

Something had been bothering me about Claire for a while, and I FINALLY put my finger on it. Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 31 Mar 2015, 08:28
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here

If you only knew the power of the fan squee.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 31 Mar 2015, 08:40
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here, but her character has gotten both boring and annoying ever since she got together with Marten. I liked her a lot better when she was shy and cute--we already have an overabundance of overbearing female characters in the comic--not that there's anything wrong with any of those characters individually, but all together? It's getting to be a bit much. Claire's not funny anymore, doesn't seem all that intelligent, doesn't have much to recommend her in the way of charm...her initial charm was her shy awkwardness and innocence, and now that that's gone, she's just like another clone of every other female character who's ever been in the comic: a nondescript snarky chick who always has to be a smartass.

Something had been bothering me about Claire for a while, and I FINALLY put my finger on it. Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....

You're not alone, just I'm pretty sure we're in the minority.  I don't think her brand of humour has changed that much, aside from coming out of her shell to some degree.  It just seems to me that her idea of humour functions/comes across best when it comes up on an occasional basis, not shoved in our faces continually as it has been for quite some time.

I didn't mind back when she was new and only intermittently in focus, but when it basically became The Claire Show from 2800 to 2900 or so (I think of this period as the "squeepocalypse"), the uber-focus turned me off her character.  Even now, her storylines keep boiling down to HAVE I MENTIONED I AM MARTEN'S GIRLFRIEND TODAY or variations thereof.  It's strange, because Jeph has handled the trans* aspects of her character very well and with substantial class.  It's her other personal traits, combined with the deific character shilling, that are grating and off-putting to me.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 31 Mar 2015, 08:41
I kinda feel the opposite, that Claire's innocent/shy stuff has been pretty much entirely relegated to her interactions with Marten romantically, while elsewhere she's been a character with insecurities who's always speaking her mind.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 31 Mar 2015, 08:43
Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....

Chill with the persecution complex. Claire's gotten way more hate than love in the past few weeks, you're not unique in your dislike.

No hate to you for your opinion on my part, just a calm disagreement. She's always been a smartass, only now she feels more comfortable letting it show. Silence/shyness =/= intelligence, though talking opens the opportunity for ignorance to show. I haven't noticed anything stupid that she's said, so I'd guess nothing's changed there. Gotta remember, we only see parts of these characters' lives, and Jeph's focusing on their interpersonal relations, not intellectual pursuits. In her first strips, Claire read as desperate to be perceived as smart (to me, anyway) but now, it's accepted that she is, so she's letting her dork side shine through.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Stoon on 31 Mar 2015, 09:19
See?  This is why I was against Marten dating Claire.  Terrible sense of humour.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 31 Mar 2015, 09:23
A terrible sense of humor is its own punalty.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 31 Mar 2015, 09:25
Something had been bothering me about Claire for a while, and I FINALLY put my finger on it. Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....

Hope costs nothing. Unfortunately, that's often what it's worth . . .
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tangerinewarrior on 31 Mar 2015, 09:33
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here, but her character has gotten both boring and annoying ever since she got together with Marten.

I know where you're coming from. I'm not annoyed by her, but I feel the story lines with her and Martin have become too flat (boring maybe?). A lot of this comic focuses on character growth, and it feels Marten's and Claire's have stagnated. Squee can only carry you for so far. To be honest, I'd really like to know what other characters are doing. The focus on the last couple of months in comic has been Marten/Claire/Faye's downfall. While these have been good stories, I would love to have other characters checked in on. It feels they've all been put on the bus.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DSL on 31 Mar 2015, 09:42
Is it possible to like someone and still be bothered by one or two aspects of their personality? Or to dislike someone and still allow they might have a redeeming quality or two?

</rhetorical question>
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 31 Mar 2015, 10:25
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here, but her character has gotten both boring and annoying ever since she got together with Marten. I liked her a lot better when she was shy and cute--we already have an overabundance of overbearing female characters in the comic--not that there's anything wrong with any of those characters individually, but all together? It's getting to be a bit much. Claire's not funny anymore, doesn't seem all that intelligent, doesn't have much to recommend her in the way of charm...her initial charm was her shy awkwardness and innocence, and now that that's gone, she's just like another clone of every other female character who's ever been in the comic: a nondescript snarky chick who always has to be a smartass.

Something had been bothering me about Claire for a while, and I FINALLY put my finger on it. Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....
Don't martyr yourself or anything... You seem to be overestimating the sort of response you're going to get.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 Mar 2015, 10:33
whilst Claire, looking frightened and defensive, is cuddled up by Marten, knees drawn to her chest and sort of hiding behind him.

We've seen her have an anxiety attack before so that's plausible.

Quote from: BenRG
Suggested quote: "Every objection I can think of to you being with Marty I hear in my Aunt's voice. If that bigoted witch is the best I can come up with, then I don't have any objections that I respect.".

Dude, it's become clear that you are here on earth to tell stories. Drop some inessential part of your life and spend the time writing!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: HiFranc on 31 Mar 2015, 12:49
Honestly, if no characters in QC ever engaged in behaviour which could potentially be considered intentionally or unintentionally offensive by some, nobody would read this comic because there would be no drama or comedy.

And it would not be realistic.  We all offend others at some point in our lives.


Okay, this may be a bit of a derail, but how much does Pintsize weigh?  Marten appears to be one-handing him here.  If he has a metal phallus on his head, he probably weighs more (unless that's aircraft aluminum).

You are, off course, assuming that it's solid.  What if it's hollow?


If Faye was on her game, this would totally be the clever characters snarking at each other I enjoy so much out of QC.

That's just it -- she's plainly not "on her game", she just came from a stressful and presumably draining first experience with a support/rehab group.  It's entirely reasonable that she wouldn't be up for much in the way of humour immediately after that.

Which is what makes Claire's response such a jerkass move, and Marten for enabling her: it's entirely insensitive and inconsiderate. 

She already told them (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2926) that she was in a light-hearted mood.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TeaOfDeath on 31 Mar 2015, 13:23
I'll probably be alone in saying this since Claire seems to have some sort of squee-powered fanclub on here, but her character has gotten both boring and annoying ever since she got together with Marten. I liked her a lot better when she was shy and cute--we already have an overabundance of overbearing female characters in the comic--not that there's anything wrong with any of those characters individually, but all together? It's getting to be a bit much. Claire's not funny anymore, doesn't seem all that intelligent, doesn't have much to recommend her in the way of charm...her initial charm was her shy awkwardness and innocence, and now that that's gone, she's just like another clone of every other female character who's ever been in the comic: a nondescript snarky chick who always has to be a smartass.

Something had been bothering me about Claire for a while, and I FINALLY put my finger on it. Now, hopefully, I won't be bombarded with rotten produce for criticizing everyone's favorite little redhead....
Don't martyr yourself or anything... You seem to be overestimating the sort of response you're going to get.

Um, wow. It was a joke. No need to take everything so damn literally.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: explicit on 31 Mar 2015, 13:54
Everyone play nice. I'd hate for my favorite types of jokes (dick jokes) to become incredibly controversial. They're like... almost all I have.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: osaka on 31 Mar 2015, 13:59
Here explicit, have a hug.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Mar 2015, 15:16
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/black/scornful-smiley-emoticon.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Mar 2015, 15:34
And I really can't see Faye reacting to the news about Claire (if she ever finds out) with anything more than a casual shrug.  Hey, as long as Marty's cool with it, that's fine by her.

I think most people should react. I think the only character who should just give a shrug like when she told Marten would be Tai(And maybe Momo? She is Polite Bot 9000). Faye should be surprised. Then probably a bit politically incorrect, if well meaning.

I'm not saying people shouldn't or won't react, but I can't see BenRG's scenario (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30583.msg1313619.html#msg1313619) happening either, among any of the characters.  Basically, I've been considering this as a word association game.  Pick a QC character, give me a word or two describing their reaction to learning about Claire.  Some of them might be negative (I see Dora as "snide," and Marigold as "Mmmmph!", assuming Momo's social protocol programming kicks in in time), but I can't see anyone, least of all Faye, reacting with "shock."  In my mind, Faye's reaction is "blasé."  I don't doubt she'll be mildly surprised and might initially say something blunt, but ultimately I see her taking her cues from Marten.  He knows she's trans?  He's okay with that?  Well, good for him, and best of luck to them both.  She pretty much gave them her blessing that night at the bar when she first nudged the baby duck in Marty's direction, so she'd be a jerk to rescind that now.

Plus, I'm sure Claire is savvy enough to know when the best time to come out to Faye is, and how to get the best reaction.  She did it with Marten at the lake house, when she decided to see just how serious he was when he called her a friend, and she was able to turn coming out to Emily into a teachable moment, so I'm sure she knows how best to handle Faye.  Unless she wants to shock Faye into having a "Dude, your girlfriend is trans!" moment, just to get revenge for that night at the bar (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2795).  But maybe wait until Faye has something (non-alcoholic) to drink, first.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 31 Mar 2015, 16:09
I get the feeling that any other comings-out (coming outs? outcomings? anyway...) will be pretty anticlimactic. Jeph doesn't do drama for the sake of it, and he's not going to play it for cheap laughs (which doesn't mean there won't necessarily be a punchline somewhere in there). Besides, in contrast to when she came out to Marten (who was the first non-family member we've seen her come out to), the playing field's different. She's more confident now than she was then, and -- as Gladstone mentions -- people's reactions are likely to be tempered not only by their relationships with her, but also with her relationship, and theirs, with Marten.

That said, I do foresee a bit of the shoe being on the other foot, with Claire doing some decidedly Marten-esque waffling and over-analysis either before or after the fact.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 31 Mar 2015, 16:20
Here's how I see Faye's reaction to learning about Claire being trans:

Panel 1: Claire: "I'm trans."
Panel 2: Faye with mouth open, speechless.
Panel 3: Faye with mouth open, speechless.
Panel 4: Faye with mouth open, speechless.
Panel 5: Faye with mouth open, speechless.
Panel 6: Faye: "... Okay."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 31 Mar 2015, 16:26

Um, wow. It was a joke. No need to take everything so damn literally.

Welcome to the internet, where people can't read your tone! I also saw the way you started off and thought 'Oh, for fuck's sake.'

Because most people who start off like that think their opinion is more than that, that it's the truth and these other dumbasses just can't see it.

 As a part of the disagreeing group, you essentially seemed to be saying 'you don't get it, do ya, fuckface?'

Which is not conducive to an open discussion. Any time you want to set users into 'groups' and imagine them as 'other,' just... Don't mention it, because you're probably wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 31 Mar 2015, 16:55
If Faye learns about Claire's status stemming from today's comic I see it happening like this:



Faye: Jeez, why are you so interested in my sculptured penises? You've got your own, leave mine alone.

*close up of Claire's shocked face*
Claire: *gasp* How long have you known I'm trans?

Faye: I was talking about your boyfriend's-WAIT, WHAT?
*close up of Faye with the same shocked expression*

Marten: Oh no.

*cliffhanger*


But then, I've been pretty bad at guessing how the actual comics end up. No matter how Faye learns about Claire, I truly hope she reacts the same way Emily did.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Mar 2015, 16:57
NOPE.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 31 Mar 2015, 17:04
Casual transphobia is not a punchline.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 31 Mar 2015, 17:23
I really don't see why people seem to fixate on that one aspect of Claire, and was rather glad that even the non-fans were more concerned with finding her sense of humour annoying, or pointing out possible lack of social skills.  I do eventually think that she will come-out to at least most of the cast.  Marigold is probably too socially inept, and may be an exception, even if Momo was fully-charged and standing next to her.  But I think that focusing on that would really detract from Claire's character being seen for *who* she is beyond her gender identity.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Mar 2015, 17:28
And really that potential storyline would be playing it for drama, something Jeph doesn't want to do.

Plus, it comes dangerously close to speculating about Claire's genitals, which... noooooope. Jeph's not gonna go there.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 31 Mar 2015, 17:55
The four previous posts, rolled into one. It's just not going to go down like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: osaka on 31 Mar 2015, 18:10
Note: It's April Fools tomorrow. I'm expecting more glowing dick chronicles. (Could look for the original but it's 3AM here so bedtime)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 31 Mar 2015, 18:11
A more realistic (if less dramatic) coming out for Claire might simply involve her letting those in the know start telling the others. "Something you may not know about Claire..." conversations happening without much fanfare. It'd be a bit like someone getting wet in a swimming pool by slowly lowering themselves into the water, rather than jumping in with a big splash. "Did you know Claire's transgender?" "Wow, no. Really? Is it hush hush?" "Not anymore. Pass it on if you want." "OK."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Mar 2015, 18:22
Sounds like a bad game of Telephone waiting to happen.

"Did you know Claire was in Transformers?"
"Really?  Which one?"
"Dunno, Tai didn't say."
"Ugh, those movies are terrible."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DSL on 31 Mar 2015, 18:25
"Did you know Claire is transgender?"
"So?"
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 31 Mar 2015, 18:27
A more realistic (if less dramatic) coming out for Claire might simply involve her letting those in the know start telling the others.

Why would she want people she's not sleeping with to know? She says she identifies as female and everyone reacts to her as such. No one's being mean about her past, she's got a boyfriend she likes, she's working in a library like she wanted. What is there to gain?

So far we've seen her tell Emily only so she wouldn't have to lie about why she'd never kissed anyone and Marten when it looked like he was about to make a move. If you'll recall she told him to not to spread it around, that doesn't indicate that she wants to just be out.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 31 Mar 2015, 18:35
Dick first is better than ass backwards.
(Does anyone venture to disagree?)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 31 Mar 2015, 18:43
Many trans* people prefer not to "come out" at all, because it opens them up to questions, bigotry, and in some cases/places, violence.  It's a little different that the other letters in the LGBTQA spectrum in the way that telling people that you are what you are can invalidate you in their eyes (e.g.: "you're not a 'real' woman" or seeing you only as your trans* identity and not just "woman" or "man"), though some of that happens with sexuality, too.

Of course, everyone's different, and some people want others to know and to be open about their experiences, which is fine, too.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 31 Mar 2015, 18:51
Many trans* people prefer not to "come out" at all, because it opens them up to questions, bigotry, and in some cases/places, violence.  It's a little different that the other letters in the LGBTQA spectrum in the way that telling people that you are what you are can invalidate you in their eyes (e.g.: "you're not a 'real' woman" or seeing you only as your trans* identity and not just "woman" or "man"), though some of that happens with sexuality, too.

You mean like how the forum reacts to Claire?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 31 Mar 2015, 19:45
April first draws near. I wonder if we're going to be pranked again.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 31 Mar 2015, 20:03
Many trans* people prefer not to "come out" at all, because it opens them up to questions, bigotry, and in some cases/places, violence.  It's a little different that the other letters in the LGBTQA spectrum in the way that telling people that you are what you are can invalidate you in their eyes (e.g.: "you're not a 'real' woman" or seeing you only as your trans* identity and not just "woman" or "man"), though some of that happens with sexuality, too.

Of course, everyone's different, and some people want others to know and to be open about their experiences, which is fine, too.

The QC-verse is different from ours - no AIs here for one thing. But similar in many ways:

(https://scontent-nrt.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1234786_10201142298413009_1871964720_n.jpg?oh=3debb978c35654f005df5b77b6c16eab&oe=55AD9F77)

And in this one... Texas HB1747 makes it illegal for anyone with female ID to use a male restroom, while HB1748 makes it illegal for anyone with XY chromosomes to use a female one.

Not being able to use a public restroom - including one at work - is a dead giveaway.

Maybe such asshattery is confined to the way AIs are treated in the QC-verse. Anyway, it's why I identify more with Momo than Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 31 Mar 2015, 20:07
April first draws near. I wonder if we're going to be pranked again.

All I can say is Butts...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 31 Mar 2015, 20:11

Not being able to use a public restroom - including one at work - is a dead giveaway.


Because that's what we were totally talking about in regards to Claire's social circle... Way to derail.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 31 Mar 2015, 20:15
Because that's what we were totally talking about in regards to Claire's social circle... Way to derail.

Her social circle would have noticed stuff like that - if it existed in the QC-verse. That it apparently doesn't means that assumptions we make based on this instantiation of the multiverse may not apply.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 31 Mar 2015, 20:20
And in this one... Texas HB1747 makes it illegal for anyone with female ID to use a male restroom, while HB1748 makes it illegal for anyone with XY chromosomes to use a female one.

Not being able to use a public restroom - including one at work - is a dead giveaway.

Maybe such asshattery is confined to the way AIs are treated in the QC-verse. Anyway, it's why I identify more with Momo than Claire.

Not that I'm surprised, but, seriously, Texas?  I'd ask what the bloody hell is wrong with my state, but sadly, I already know.  We're the assholes who produced Ted Cruz after all.
(Who does the chromosome check to make SURE that woman using the female restroom is a cis woman?  What about people who are XO or XXY?  Does the Texas Legislature really have nothing better to do with its time than play bathroom police?)

And what about that thing at gas stations where the line for the women's room is out the door and there are like three men in the store so some brave women decide to use the men's room because hey, they gotta pee and none of the men are using it?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 31 Mar 2015, 20:31
Not that I'm surprised, but, seriously, Texas?  I'd ask what the bloody hell is wrong with my state...
The Florida one's nearly as bad. Some that have been defeated in the past in other states were worse. So it's not just Texas.

Meanwhile in the QC-verse...

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/2201.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 31 Mar 2015, 20:31
Okay, this may be a bit of a derail, but how much does Pintsize weigh?  Marten appears to be one-handing him here.  If he has a metal phallus on his head, he probably weighs more (unless that's aircraft aluminum).

Nah, he's two-handing Pintsize. You can see Marten's arm in the background and the tips of his fingers on the other side of Pintsize's head.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 31 Mar 2015, 21:12
The april fools prank is not uploading a comic and making me refresh over and over.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 31 Mar 2015, 21:22
The april fools prank is not uploading a comic and making me refresh over and over.

Hmmm. That just gave me an idea for a prank that I couldn't actually do myself.

The prank is that the new comic is a gif, BUT it's 5 minutes long and the first 4:45 minutes are of the previous day's comic so that every one would keep hitting refresh and thus never see the new part.

 :evil:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 31 Mar 2015, 21:28
Hanners - Crowbar Super Heroine!!!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 31 Mar 2015, 21:28
New comic.

Stupid sexy firemen.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 31 Mar 2015, 21:32
They aren't sweaty or smelly in her imagination. Her imagination is clean.

Well, it's clean right up until it gets dirty. Bow chicka wow-wow!

... scratch that. Her idea of a good time is probably snuggling up to his muscular chest (oh my!) as they watch a documentary on the history of bleach.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 31 Mar 2015, 21:36
Okay, this may be a bit of a derail, but how much does Pintsize weigh?  Marten appears to be one-handing him here.  If he has a metal phallus on his head, he probably weighs more (unless that's aircraft aluminum).

Nah, he's two-handing Pintsize. You can see Marten's arm in the background and the tips of his fingers on the other side of Pintsize's head.

I kept waiting for Marten to use the dildo as a carry handle.

Re: Comic: Chekov's crowbar?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 31 Mar 2015, 21:37
What...what would a cruise ship full of sexy nude firemen need a crowbar for?



Are there a lot of elevators?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 Mar 2015, 21:44
Some questions are better left unexamined :-)

It's fun to see wacky QC make a re-appearance.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: YourBuddyBill on 31 Mar 2015, 22:07
I still think the crowbar needed to see a Half-Life reference.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 31 Mar 2015, 22:16
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when Hanners opens the box to check on them.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 31 Mar 2015, 22:29
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when Hanners opens the box to check on them.

There's holes in the box, so for my peace of mind I'm assuming they're alive. Even fictional dead kittens make me incredibly sad  :cry:

As for the comic as a whole - I think this is my new favorite  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Mar 2015, 22:58
Pizza Girls new Sidekick


Crowbar Girl.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 23:22
Like Hannelore, I believe in always being prepared. However, the scenarios she visualises? Well, all that I can say is this: She needs to find a boyfriend. Now. Before something explodes or she's arrested for trying to hide webcams in the locker rooms and showers of the fire station!

Is this an April Fool's joke? I don't know about that; I, for one, consider this in-character for Hanners. It also is one of a very occasional sequence reminding us that Hanners does have sexual desires and that her needs are slowly getting more intense.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 31 Mar 2015, 23:43
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when Hanners opens the box to check on them.

There's holes in the box, so for my peace of mind I'm assuming they're alive. Even fictional dead kittens make me incredibly sad  :cry:

I don't think that anyone has actually Schrödingered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat) a cat before.  The immediate reference was to Pratchett (who added the "bloody furious").
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Mar 2015, 23:54
If Hanners were to buy a kitty (unlikely due to litter tray and hairballs), she would name it Schrödinger because of her father. It would, of course, quickly demonstrate superpowers based on quantum uncertainty because that's the sort of joke Jeph would like.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Storel on 31 Mar 2015, 23:55
Testing: uǝʇɹɐW, ǝʎɐℲ, ɐɹoᗡ, Tai, ǝɹıɐןƆ, testing...

Aha, I was right: the forum is turning people's names upside down today, presumably for April Fool's Day. Apparently Tai and ǝɹoןǝuuɐH got omitted from the list of those to overturn.

Oho, interesting. Apparently it's doing the names of some moderators, too: Loki, Is It Cold in Here?, and pwhodges. Or perhaps only when it displays their names as links to their profiles?

Yes, it shows their names upside down in the column specifying who started each thread, but not when I just type them.

Edit: typo now->not.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 31 Mar 2015, 23:59
Testing: uǝʇɹɐW, ǝʎɐℲ, ɐɹoᗡ, Tai, ǝɹıɐןƆ, testing...

Aha, I was right: the forum is turning people's names upside down today, presumably for April Fool's Day. Apparently Tai and Hannelore got omitted from the list of those to overturn.

pןoƃᴉɹɐW, Cosettte, Sven, ǝןɐᗡ, Emily, ǝʌǝʇS, Jim, Veronica,  Penelope, Momo, Pintsize, Winslow
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Storel on 01 Apr 2015, 00:02
oɯoW. May, Winslow, ǝzᴉsʇuᴉԀ, snɓu∀, Sara, Penelope, Pizza Girl, Will, Jimbo...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: NilsO on 01 Apr 2015, 00:05
Dick first is better than ass backwards.
(Does anyone venture to disagree?)
I disagree. In QC (and now also in AG), it is always butts first :mrgreen:
Re: ǝzᴉsʇuᴉԀ - I am surprised the dick is not attached in it's usual place (ǝzᴉsʇuᴉԀ has been dry humping (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2574) before), but I guess Jeph found that too risky.
I kept waiting for uǝʇɹɐW to use the dildo as a carry handle.
Probably too risky as well.
I'm told that nail varnish remover is highly effective as a solvent for super-glue.
Be careful. Nail varnish remover is mostly acetone, which ʎɐW dissolve certain plastics, rubbers, and other organic compounds. It has never been stated which surface material is covering ǝzᴉsʇuᴉԀ. It could be thin metal sheets (his head is very dentable), but some plastics material is also possible.
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when sɹǝuuɐH opens the box to check on them.
Schrodinger's kittens?
(https://teresainfortworth.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/schrodingers-cat-wants-revenge-e1341109787365.jpg)
Is this an April Fool's joke? I don't know about that; I, for one, consider this in-character for sɹǝuuɐH. It also is one of a very occasional sequence reminding us that sɹǝuuɐH does have sexual desires and that her needs are slowly getting more intense.
They aren't sweaty or smelly in her imagination. Her imagination is clean.
It is definitely in-character for sɹǝuuɐH. She has sexual desires; unfortunately, they don't match reality (although she apparently does tolerate a little body hair). Today's comic is definitely going to be my new favorite. sɹǝuuɐH the Crowbar Girl.

Re: April Fool's joke: Very good! I was really confused, until I realized which day it is :mrgreen:
EDIT: Can we have uǝʌS upside down too, please?
EDIT2: If we also substitute certain names for others (Claire <-> Faye, Marten <-> Sven), it is going to cause complete mayhem :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Storel on 01 Apr 2015, 00:07
Ooh, interesting, it's adding names as we post. Now sɹǝuuɐH and ǝɹoןǝuuɐH both show upside-down -- they weren't at first.

I suspect an Admin is adding names as we find them.. .  :wink:

Let's see, which admin is currently on line... ah, pwhodges, of course.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 01 Apr 2015, 00:31
 :claireface:

She's not upside down ; ;
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tophwells on 01 Apr 2015, 00:36
Ladies and gentlemen, behold the mind of Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Apr 2015, 00:52
This is probably my favourite QC ever.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 01 Apr 2015, 02:15
I thought Hanners had found out that reallife firemen are kind of dirty and sweaty ?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Apr 2015, 02:22
I thought sɹǝuuɐH had found out that reallife firemen are kind of dirty and sweaty?

This is a fantasy. Fantasy =/= reality and knowledge of reality in no way affects fantasies. So, leave sɹǝuuɐH to her oiled semi-naked firemen, killjoy! :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tova on 01 Apr 2015, 02:30
MADNESS  :-o
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: gopher on 01 Apr 2015, 03:56
What...what would a cruise ship full of sexy nude firemen need a crowbar for?



Are there a lot of elevators?
You know what they say about the Navy? How do they seperate the men from the boys? With a crowbar.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 01 Apr 2015, 04:18
I have never identified with Hannelore more than I do now. Sometimes, a person just wants a heavy metal object and to look at big burly dudes. And if those things include kittens, so much the better.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Apr 2015, 04:27
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when sɹǝuuɐH opens the box to check on them.

Pick any two. And hope the answer isn't "dead and bloody furious".
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DrBear on 01 Apr 2015, 05:15
Just because I have to check ... Sara and Gabby
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 01 Apr 2015, 05:16
Ellen
Natasha
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Torlek on 01 Apr 2015, 05:30
I still think the crowbar needed to see a Half-Life reference.

MAYBE IT IS. The crowbar appears in comic 2929, there are two 2's and two 9's, 9 is 3^2....HALF LIFE 2 EPISODE 3 PARTS 1 AND 2 CONFIRMED!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Akima on 01 Apr 2015, 06:00
"Hey, you sass that hoopy Hannelore Ellicott-Chatham? There's a frood who really knows where her crowbar is."
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Apr 2015, 06:34
Some questions are better left unexamined :-)

It's fun to see wacky QC make a re-appearance.

Very funny.

(Let's see: Marten, Pintsize, Steve, Faye, Dora, Raven,  Hannelore, Momo, Marigold, Dale, Angus...)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 01 Apr 2015, 06:35
Cosettte
Will

Spell their names correctly.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 06:57
Ahh April fools when people play at it. *Disdainful sniff* Some of us are fools 365 days a year.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Apr 2015, 07:04
Next year, I'll be a fool for 366 days!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Apr 2015, 07:18
Next year, I'll be a fool for 366 days!

Makin' me feel like a slacker over here. I only counted up 364 days last year. I took April 1st off, because irony
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 01 Apr 2015, 07:21
The question on my mind is if the kittens are alive, dead, or bloody furious when sɹǝuuɐH opens the box to check on them.

There's holes in the box, so for my peace of mind I'm assuming they're alive. Even fictional dead kittens make me incredibly sad  :cry:

I don't think that anyone has actually Schrödingered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat) a cat before.  The immediate reference was to Pratchett (who added the "bloody furious").
Ah, see, I never read his books, so the reference was totally lost on me  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 07:28
Ah, see, I never read his books, so the reference was totally lost on me  :psyduck:

If you come visit me I totally promise not to bury you up to your neck in sci-fi and fantasy books and force you to read your way out.*




*not an actual promise
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Apr 2015, 08:31
Ah, see, I never read his books, so the reference was totally lost on me  :psyduck:

If you come visit me I totally promise not to bury you up to your neck in sci-fi and fantasy books and force you to read your way out.*




*not an actual promise

Is this offer only open to Omega, or could others apply? The library in my tiny town is sadly lacking in Pratchett and I'm broke... I've been meaning to read something from him since I found out Neil Gaiman wrote a book with him
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 01 Apr 2015, 08:48
Ah, see, I never read his books, so the reference was totally lost on me  :psyduck:

If you come visit me I totally promise not to bury you up to your neck in sci-fi and fantasy books and force you to read your way out.*




*not an actual promise

Is this offer only open to Omega, or could others apply? The library in my tiny town is sadly lacking in Pratchett and I'm broke... I've been meaning to read something from him since I found out Neil Gaiman wrote a book with him

Pro-tip: Find "Good Omens" first. That's the Gaiman/Pratchett book and, frankly, the most exquisite place to start. Almost as good as the glorious "American Gods".
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: NilsO on 01 Apr 2015, 09:20
Hehe. My personal message and sig looks even better now. But should not the butts substitution be upside down as well?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 01 Apr 2015, 09:32
I thought sɹǝuuɐH had found out that reallife firemen are kind of dirty and sweaty ?

There's no dirt in Hanners dirty thoughts!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Apr 2015, 09:37
I'm sure that Hannelore's sexual fantasies involve lots of showering and bathing.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Apr 2015, 09:42
Hehe. My personal message and sig looks even better now. But should not the (_!_) substitution be upside down as well?
(ŻˇŻ)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 01 Apr 2015, 09:46
should not the (_!_) substitution be upside down as well?

I thought that a step too far.  Anyway, not all the substitutions are upside down.  The Alice Grove ones are different, and I did a special for Akima's post up the thread where she tried to buck what I was doing.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Apr 2015, 09:57
The April Fool's joke is pretending that an administrator did it when it's actually a hack from someone in Australia who is gradually trying to turn the forum umop apisdn so she can read it more conveniently.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: St.Clair on 01 Apr 2015, 10:32
The April Fool's joke is pretending that an administrator did it when it's actually a hack from someone in Australia who is gradually trying to turn the forum umop apisdn so she can read it more conveniently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xESrx1EFj6I
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Storel on 01 Apr 2015, 10:46
Cosettte
Will

Spell their names correctly.

Ack, you're right, I completely forgot that Wil apparently lost one of his Ls when he was a small and especially careless boy. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea naughty naughty culpa.  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Apr 2015, 10:52
Cosettte
Will

Spell their names correctly.

Ack, you're right, I completely forgot that ןıM apparently lost one of his Ls when he was a small and especially careless boy. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea naughty naughty culpa.  8-)
I saw that name and my brain interpreted it as Jim.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: NilsO on 01 Apr 2015, 10:53
The April Fool's joke is pretending that an administrator did it when it's actually a hack from someone in Australia who is gradually trying to turn the forum umop apisdn so she can read it more conveniently.
(https://tjvenne.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/funny-picture-1269505296706.jpeg)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: KOK on 01 Apr 2015, 11:59
The library in my tiny town is sadly lacking in Pratchett and I'm broke... I've been meaning to read something from him since I found out Neil Gaiman wrote a book with him

Pro-tip: Find "Good Omens" first. That's the Gaiman/Pratchett book and, frankly, the most exquisite place to start. Almost as good as the glorious "American Gods".

I don't usually laugh out loud when reading. I did that quite a lot while reading Good Omens.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Apr 2015, 12:42
And if there was, Hanners would have it cleaned up and the thoughts sterilised..
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Akima on 01 Apr 2015, 14:26
I did a special for Akima's post up the thread where she tried to buck what I was doing.
:P :P :P :P :P
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/5c6a82486bc92221605a3f906646bf18/tumblr_mmntl4XMit1qcbrp0o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Apr 2015, 15:04
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/upside_down_map.png)

 :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 01 Apr 2015, 16:41
The library in my tiny town is sadly lacking in Pratchett and I'm broke... I've been meaning to read something from him since I found out Neil Gaiman wrote a book with him

Pro-tip: Find "Good Omens" first. That's the Gaiman/Pratchett book and, frankly, the most exquisite place to start. Almost as good as the glorious "American Gods".

I don't usually laugh out loud when reading. I did that quite a lot while reading Good Omens.

I'd second both sentiments. I loved "Good Omens" (obviously).

I need to catch up on the rest of Pratchett, though. I read a couple of the mid-period Discworld books and keep wishing they'd do them in some kind of set (multiple volumes with three to five books per volume) so I can begin at the beginning but I don't have to pay out the nose for the lot of them.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Apr 2015, 17:13
Omnibus editions of various Discworld books would be nice, since I only own about half of them, and would love to read the rest.  Discworld is one of the few series where I think that the work actually got better the longer that it went on. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 01 Apr 2015, 18:08
"Hey, you sass that hoopy Ḧ̵͚̳́̚͝a̷͎̯̻̱͖͂̂̑̌̌͌n̸̙̰̤̖̝̓̚ͅñ̵̩̬̱͒̌ẹ̷͙͓̲̏̈̏͗ͅl̵̨̯̱̯̝̳̀o̴̦̪̙̹͆̌͒̏̓͒̉ͅr̴̡͓͇̪̮̞̊̌̇͂̎e̸̛̞̥͙̠̳̫͛͜ ƐӀӀěçօէէ-↻հąէհąʍ? There's a frood who really knows where her crowbar is."

For some reason, this reminds me of when Alternative Press typeset an entire interview with Bryan Ferry in Wingdings and assorted runes.

Of course, by this time tomorrow that reference will probably make no sense. :P
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Apr 2015, 18:16
Omnibus editions of various Discworld books would be nice, since I only own about half of them, and would love to read the rest.  Discworld is one of the few series where I think that the work actually got better the longer that it went on.

I'm still waiting for a ~10-volume omnibus set of the Animorphs series (which is totally doable if you shrink the print a little), but I suspect you'll get your wish before me.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Apr 2015, 18:34
What would be hilarious is if when Paul goes to change the settings on the forums, he discovers he can't change it back...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Apr 2015, 18:50
Then he'll just have to change the entire forum to upside-down text. And then change it again, taking it through a full 360 degree rotation.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: mustang6172 on 01 Apr 2015, 19:17
Wouldn't a sexy fireman have an axe of some sort?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 Apr 2015, 19:20
Depends on how naked he was.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: DSL on 01 Apr 2015, 19:21
Chopping implement or body spray?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Daniel Patrick Moynihan on 01 Apr 2015, 19:50
Good job Fey.  I'm glad the rough edges are still there, even if they're not soaked in bourbon anymore.  Hopefully Merten allows their dynamic to shake out naturally.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 01 Apr 2015, 19:51
I'll admit... David Attenborough narrating one's social life would be a great privilege. Marten shouldn't be so sour on the idea.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 01 Apr 2015, 19:53
The Peach Strikes Back.

Claire wasn't expecting that, was she?

I'm wondering which character "She can't help herself" refers to. Claire can't help the smartass remarks, or Faye can't help reasserting dominance?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 01 Apr 2015, 19:55
Boo, Faye. Live by the undeserved sass, die by the undeserved sass, I say.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 01 Apr 2015, 20:00
They have one thing in common, at least. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tova on 01 Apr 2015, 20:08
Upcoming title: The Life of Butts.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Estron on 01 Apr 2015, 20:09
How much longer is it going to be "your territory" when you can't make the freakin' rent, Faye?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tova on 01 Apr 2015, 20:12
Mrrrow!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Energia on 01 Apr 2015, 20:26
Better than weeing on her, I suppose
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Apr 2015, 20:28
How much longer is it going to be "your territory" when you can't make the freakin' rent, ǝʎɐℲ?

Some animals use urine or faeces to mark their territory.  Faye has marked that place with her vomit.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 20:30
This comic makes me really uncomfortable. Faye's body language isn't merely aggressive, it's outright threatening.

Physical intimidation of Claire is _not_ cool. She's small, she has every reason to fear attacks and she's shown no signs of being able to defend herself with anything but wit.

Do you know why women's self defense classes are a thing? Because all things being equal. the bigger strong person can easily dominate the smaller weaker one.

I don't know if Faye is reacting to the patriarchy by imitating what it values, aggression or if she's really reacting to feeling threatened herself, at this point it doesn't matter. You do not threaten by word or deed to harm someone because they said something you don't like. That shit is not helpful.

Mrrrow!

That's not helpful either.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Oenone on 01 Apr 2015, 20:38
Is the apartment her territory or is Marten? :/
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Oenone on 01 Apr 2015, 20:39
Also, I hate that Faye is such a bully. It's never r funny to me.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: mustang6172 on 01 Apr 2015, 20:43
Not shown:  Faye urinates on the carpet to mark her territory.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Apr 2015, 20:48
Dora could be interested in that... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1695) Or maybe not. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=603)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Apr 2015, 21:07
I can't say anything good about The Pugnacious Peach's conduct toward The Punacious Plum in this strip.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Apr 2015, 21:08
Mrrrow!

Global Moderator Comment Obviously meant as a bit of humor intended to show ǝʎɐℲ being a bit 'Catty', but could, and has been taken the wrong way by some. Please be aware that some may take your humor out of context and misinterpret it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Apr 2015, 21:15
I'm sensing another Friday Drama Bomb is about to be dropped.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Apr 2015, 21:21
This comic makes me really uncomfortable. ǝʎɐℲ's body language isn't merely aggressive, it's outright threatening.

Physical intimidation of ǝɹıɐןƆ is _not_ cool. She's small, she has every reason to fear attacks and she's shown no signs of being able to defend herself with anything but wit.

I didn't even think of this when I read the comic, but since you mention it, yeah, it's kinda scary.  I guess that I have just become *used* to Faye trying to intimidating others with threat of physical violence and have been looking at it like Bugs Bunny hurting Elmer Fudd.  You seem to have this disconcerting tendency to make me re-evaluate things.

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I don't know if ǝʎɐℲ is reacting to the patriarchy by imitating what it values, aggression or if she's really reacting to feeling threatened herself, at this point it doesn't matter. You do not threaten by word or deed to harm someone because they said something you don't like. That shit is not helpful.

Methinks it's less of a patriarchy thing than it being another "coping mechanism", that like booze, she's going to need to learn to shed.  That doesn't excuse her behaviour in the least, but at least it explains it.  Faye is one of the many characters in this strip who have some sort of problems interacting with others in a healthy way, but hers are pretty much the worst when it comes to the impact on others.  If, like Dora, she continues on the path she's on, she'll soon find herself *very* alone, and for good reason.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Apr 2015, 21:24
Let's hope that the Group Therapy and a few visits to Dr. Corinne sort her out before even Martens patience is worn thin and he kicks her out.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 01 Apr 2015, 21:26
I'm not sure we're going to get a drama bomb immediately, but I suppose it could happen. Marten's spent a long time around Faye being intimidating. He may be used to it. It's something worth addressing, though, so maybe it can be another thing he gets tired of as he grows past the doormat state he used to exist in.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 01 Apr 2015, 21:30
Needle someone enough, and they'll snap back eventually, especially when it's someone who doesn't know the other person nearly well enough to have earned that privilege. Claire made a poor judgment call, and Faye doesn't know her well enough to understand her... ahem... special brand of humor. I've been in Faye's position before and had to set some people straight on where the boundaries are, though I'm too scrawny to be really intimidating.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Apr 2015, 21:31
Was there ever a case of The Pugnacious Peach treating any of Marten's other girlfriends that badly?

(Vicki, maybe).
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 01 Apr 2015, 21:34
I don't think so.

Vicki was about the only other GF he had before Dora I think, and Faye quashed any chance for a relationship with Marten early on.  He had a brief fling with Padma, but that lasted all of five minutes since she was leaving anyway.  I could be wrong, but I think that Dora's been the only steady GF he's had in the entire run of the Comic until Claire came along
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 01 Apr 2015, 21:38
Was there ever a case of The Pugnacious Peach treating any of uǝʇɹɐW's other girlfriends that badly?

(Vicki, maybe).

Not really? Though to be fair, she knew ɐɹoᗡ from before uǝʇɹɐW came along, and ɐɯpɐԀ was the one that initiated the kung-fu battles, of which ǝʎɐℲ was a willing participant. But then, ǝʎɐℲ wasn't at a particularly vulnerable position back then. And let's face it, that's exactly where she's at right now. I know I wouldn't appreciate someone seemingly criticizing me (and though she ʎɐW have meant it jokingly, it certainly seemed to come off that way to ǝʎɐℲ), I'd not be happy about it either - especially in regards to something that could be considered a form of solace from the shitstorm that ǝʎɐℲ's life right now.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 21:39
This comic makes me really uncomfortable. ǝʎɐℲ's body language isn't merely aggressive, it's outright threatening.

Physical intimidation of ǝɹıɐןƆ is _not_ cool. She's small, she has every reason to fear attacks and she's shown no signs of being able to defend herself with anything but wit.

I didn't even think of this when I read the comic, but since you mention it, yeah, it's kinda scary.  I guess that I have just become *used* to ǝʎɐℲ trying to intimidating others with threat of physical violence and have been looking at it like Bugs Bunny hurting Elmer Fudd.  You seem to have this disconcerting tendency to make me re-evaluate things.

It's both good and disconcerting for all of us to take a second look at things that we'd taken for granted as The Way Thing Are. A hug is offered.

Panel three is the most bothersome. One and two while a sign of aggression _might_ be acceptable for emphasis especially considering the comic format while three has Faye holding the aggressive pose after making her point moving it form I'm angry to back down or else.

Whether she'd have harmed Claire is irreverent. You can scare the hell out of people without intending to and this isn't the first time. Claire was afraid during the beer can incident too. Faye made a comment about dominance and yet I don't think she's aware that dominating is exactly what she did and that it's scary. I'd be scared.

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I don't know if ǝʎɐℲ is reacting to the patriarchy by imitating what it values, aggression or if she's really reacting to feeling threatened herself, at this point it doesn't matter. You do not threaten by word or deed to harm someone because they said something you don't like. That shit is not helpful.

Methinks it's less of a patriarchy thing than it being another "coping mechanism", that like booze, she's going to need to learn to shed.  That doesn't excuse her behaviour in the least, but at least it explains it.  ǝʎɐℲ is one of the many characters in this strip who have some sort of problems interacting with others in a healthy way, but hers are pretty much the worst when it comes to the impact on others.  If, like ɐɹoᗡ, she continues on the path she's on, she'll soon find herself *very* alone, and for good reason.

Agreed. She needs self-awareness fast, getting sober is only the first step.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Apr 2015, 21:42
The second-to-last thing The Pugnacious Peach should do right now is to create a breach with The Passive Stoat.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Apr 2015, 21:53
This comic makes me really uncomfortable. ǝʎɐℲ's body language isn't merely aggressive, it's outright threatening.

Physical intimidation of ǝɹıɐןƆ is _not_ cool. She's small, she has every reason to fear attacks and she's shown no signs of being able to defend herself with anything but wit.

I didn't even think of this when I read the comic, but since you mention it, yeah, it's kinda scary.  I guess that I have just become *used* to ǝʎɐℲ trying to intimidating others with threat of physical violence and have been looking at it like Bugs Bunny hurting Elmer Fudd.  You seem to have this disconcerting tendency to make me re-evaluate things.

It's both good and disconcerting for all of us to take a second look at things that we'd taken for granted as The Way Thing Are. A hug is offered.

[...]

Yeah, I had to read it twice, too, before the discomfort set in.  I hope Claire decides to speak up to defend herself--even something as simple as "Okay, I realize what I said was a bit over the line, and I'm sorry, but my brother and I were both bullied a lot when we were kids, so could you please tone it down with the threats of violence?" might help Faye realize she went a little too far.  After all, Claire and Faye don't really know the other's history, so they clearly don't realize they're pressing all the wrong buttons here, but Faye should realize by now that acting physically intimidating around people who barely know you just isn't a cool thing to do.

(That's not me lining up for a hug or anything, I just wanted to chime in to agree.)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Oenone on 01 Apr 2015, 21:55
Was there ever a case of The Pugnacious Peach treating any of uǝʇɹɐW's other girlfriends that badly?

(Vicki, maybe).

It does make me look at the panic attack panties incident in a very different light.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 21:58
(That's not me lining up for a hug or anything, I just wanted to chime in to agree.)

Y-you don't want to hug me?

Do you wanna build a snowman?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 01 Apr 2015, 21:59
Honestly, I don't even see ǝʎɐℲ's posture as a threat of violence, explicit or otherwise. Yes, she got in ǝɹıɐןƆ's face a bit, and clearly laid out that what she was doing wasn't okay. Panel 3, though, simply reads as and angry glare with the lean in still there. Does it seem threatening? Maybe to some people. But to me, it just looks like a very exaggerated and expressive glare, reinforcing the law being laid down.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Reaver on 01 Apr 2015, 21:59
Ahh the new comic reminds me as to why I don't like Faye very much "I can talk shit, but you can't talk shit TO ME"  blegh
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 Apr 2015, 22:01
Fayе had better decide quickly whether she's evil. Martеn may take sides against her if she is openly dangerous to Clairе.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Apr 2015, 22:03
(That's not me lining up for a hug or anything, I just wanted to chime in to agree.)

Y-you don't want to hug me?

Do you wanna build a snowman?

I can't speak for, presumably him, Hugging Hedgie Heralds Heavy Hyperventilating.  It's a simple mnemonic!  Use it!  Building snow sculptures would be nice, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Apr 2015, 22:09
Y-you don't want to hug me?

Do you wanna build a snowman?

Don't you wanna hug me, Gladstone?
[Parody lyrics to be added]

No, I just didn't want to seem like I was agreeing just for hugs.  But I'll accept anyway.

(And I can't think of lyrics to the above parody right now because I have the line "Do you wanna ride a sandworm?" stuck in my head.  I should probably read Dune before continuing, so I actually know what I'm talking about...)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 01 Apr 2015, 22:13
I definitely got the threat of physical confrontation read of the situation as well. It's pretty messed up. I'm usually fine with Faye, but this seemed incredibly shitty on several levels. Faye is simultaneously:

The idea that someone would get mad about 'sass' is so preposterous to me, even without considering how much it is a bullshit complaint coming out of Faye. Wouldn't be surprised if Marten follows up and this turns into a serious confrontation.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: qc001 on 01 Apr 2015, 22:30
It's so interesting to read everyone's varying thoughts on the forum!

Unlike many speaking up so far, I read today's as a corollary to the last two Martapartment strips, where (sorry, names split to stop the flipping AUGH SO HARD TO READ THE FLIPPED NAMES ARGHLFARGL) C'laire leans aggressively into F'aye's personal space (admittedly, much more so in the "Was it my suggestion? Did I inspire you?" strip than in the dick jokes strip).

As far as I know, F'aye isn't aware that C'laire might have more cause than most to be easily intimidated by (intentionally or unintentionally) implied threats. In the QC circle of friends, the standard frame is nerdy, acerbic, and sarcastic (with H'anners being the exception, though she can dish out the snark when needed), so sass is met with sass back.

I suppose that neither is reading the other well, as they are not good friends (yet...I can hope that everyone gets along eventually).  F'aye isn't recognizing that, despite C'laire's initial sass-tastic manner, she is being cowed by F'aye's ... uh, pugnaciousness.  However, C'laire also didn't recognize that her "jokes" were not being met with amusement, but rather growing impatience.

Up next: Conflicts get resolved in The Flaire Adventures, whereupon C'laire teaches F'aye the art of Puncrafting, and F'aye shares the secrets of mastering the Malaysian Battle Spatula! Stay tuned!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 01 Apr 2015, 22:36
(sorry, names split to stop the flipping AUGH SO HARD TO READ THE FLIPPED NAMES ARGHLFARGL) C'laire leans aggressively into F'aye's personal space

You have not experienced Questionable Content until you have read it in the original Klingon.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 01 Apr 2015, 22:39
, F'aye isn't aware that C'laire might have more cause than most to be easily intimidated by (intentionally or unintentionally) implied threats.

She doesn't need to. Faye is aware of both Claire's size and the prevalence of violence against women. That should be sufficient.

They both live in a world run by people who are aggressive and larger than they are and that places less value of them than is does men.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 01 Apr 2015, 23:05
"Hey, you sass that hoopy Ḧ̵͚̳́̚͝a̷͎̯̻̱͖͂̂̑̌̌͌n̸̙̰̤̖̝̓̚ͅñ̵̩̬̱͒̌ẹ̷͙͓̲̏̈̏͗ͅl̵̨̯̱̯̝̳̀o̴̦̪̙̹͆̌͒̏̓͒̉ͅr̴̡͓͇̪̮̞̊̌̇͂̎e̸̛̞̥͙̠̳̫͛͜ ƐӀӀěçօէէ-↻հąէհąʍ? There's a frood who really knows where her crowbar is."

For some reason, this reminds me of when Alternative Press typeset an entire interview with Bryan Ferry in Wingdings and assorted runes.

Of course, by this time tomorrow that reference will probably make no sense. :P

<insert strip #2929 with Zalgo makeover>

He comes.

I definitely got the threat of physical confrontation read of the situation as well. It's pretty messed up. I'm usually fine with Faye, but this seemed incredibly shitty on several levels. Faye is simultaneously:
<snip>
The idea that someone would get mad about 'sass' is so preposterous to me, even without considering how much it is a bullshit complaint coming out of Faye. Wouldn't be surprised if Marten follows up and this turns into a serious confrontation.

Or, taken from another point of view, someone finally called Claire on her her hyper obnoxious shit. Marten, looking through the rose colored glasses of a new relationship thinks it cute (as has been proven by the last two "I Know" strips); her brother has been browbeaten with it for so long, that he only responds with feeble, whiny denials, or long suffering sighs; and Pintsize, who could have embarrassed enough to take her down a notch or two, has been LOOOOOOMMM'ed out of the picture. That left only Faye to convey to Claire, that she was being annoying, obnoxious, and rude; which she did in her very most blunt, and up front manner.

Huzza i say.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: qc001 on 01 Apr 2015, 23:10
You have not experienced Questionable Content until you have read it in the original Klingon.

Forevermore I shall mentally pronounce all the QC characters names with a Klingon inflection, and imagine that they all have bat'leths.  THANK YOU, GOOD SIR  :-D

She doesn't need to. Faye is aware of both Claire's size and the prevalence of violence against women. That should be sufficient.

They both live in a world run by people who are aggressive and larger than they are and that places less value of them than is does men.

Do they?  I'm sorry if I sound flip - I'm being serious, here.  Of course what you say is VERY true in the real world, but in QC-land, as far as I can recall, other than a series of strips wherein Penny waxes angrily about the classification of "crazy ex-girlfriends," I don't remember much in the way of misogynistic acts or thoughts being much described. What violence we have seen is typically played for laughs or as the (sorry for the pun) punchline of a specific comic, and has been primarily perpetrated by women, frequently against men. By this token, why wasn't there outrage about Marten looming scarily over Pintsize (to prevent him making a ribald comment to Claire), when Pintsize is a member of a group that has been both self- and author-described as both historically and currently oppressed?

I suppose I am trying to assess everyone's behavior without labeling any one in particular as wholly "good" or "bad," here.  I agree that the escalation by Faye was not appropriate, but I was also irked by Claire's actions in the prior two strips.  We don't know Faye's motivation (is she just snapping back because she's had a long day and it is easier to be sharp-tongued than to nicely ask Claire to tone it down a bit? Is she "feeling out" Claire to see if she is as spunky as Marten's previous love interests, and did she expect Claire to fight back?  Is she just turning into an evil person?  What is Jeph's long-term plan for Faye's character?), and we just have the day's snapshot.  Jeph ended today's strip with snarky jokes from both Marten and Claire; if Faye is meant to be the unambiguous "bad guy" here, why didn't Marten ask her to cool it or speak up for Claire?

If nothing else, I think I've used up my question mark quota for this post!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 01 Apr 2015, 23:27
I think the worst part about this is that she's saying; "I put up with you because of Marten, but we are not friends."

For sass. What sass? Claire in turn was obnoxious, true, about wanting to be helpful and about Faye sculpting something from the dick up.

One of those things was being smug about actively trying to help Faye in a manner that did end up being incredibly beneficial to her. Which wasn't even intentionally obnoxious and, as a lot of us here in the peanut gallery agreed, was totally adorkable.

The next, and I can't stress this enough, insulted neither Faye nor her abilities. And it was a genuinely odd thing for Faye to do. She made a steel dick for an art installation and nothing else for it. Then superglued it to her roommate's pet's head. This is certainly something you should be able to laugh at or tease without it reflecting negatively on the person you're teasing.

So for Faye to react violently - and it is violently - to someone who was just moments before excited to be helpful to her and does not have a malicious bone in her body...

Faye, meanwhile, has called Claire a smartarse and a dork in this time, with Claire and Marten both copping that one on the chin with bright, proud smiles.

So yeah. I'm actually kind of mad. She's just done this to the guy who would otherwise be paying her half of the rent at the moment and, just this week, is the one responsible for getting her to the hospital and who she suckerpunched in her drunken stupour.

God damn it, Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 01 Apr 2015, 23:32
Remember that this isn't happening in a vacuum. Remember the beer can incident? Claire has been outright rude to Faye before. So there is a very slight history of antagonism between the two women. Faye strikes me as the sort of person who may act as if something is resolved but later remember and act out if provoked.

Remember also that this is still Faye's apartment. Marten may have invited Claire over but Faye would be within her rights to ask him not to do so again if Claire were being rude to her or disrupting the apartment. That said, Faye's reaction is excessive in this case.

I still can't work out why she has sculpted a phallus without having the rest of the installation to which she can attach it! She could have totally disarmed Claire if she'd had a sensible explanation. The fact that she didn't have one but instead dodged the question implies some embarrassing tale that is an open goal to someone like Claire. That said, Claire should know that Faye is prickly and fragile in emotional terms; especially given Faye's current situation, she should have known that teasing her would provoke her to aggression. Jeph was right, though: in the end, she just couldn't help herself!

In some ways, Faye was right. In purely orthodox anthropological terms, I suppose that it is possible that Claire, sensing Faye's weakness, was instinctively driven to try to supplant Faye as the 'alpha' in that little circle and Faye responded appropriately. Not knowing much about that field, I couldn't say how likely that scenario might be.

TL;DR -Faye overreacted but Claire should have known not to keep pushing based on Faye's current situation.

In any case, I think that, tomorrow, Marten will sternly dress down both ladies and tell them to be nice to each other. It could even lead to his first argument with Claire. It is strange if you recall that one of the issues that drove away Dora was her fear that, for Marten, Faye would always come first. In any case, I can't see Claire and Faye having anything but an armed truce for the immediate future.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: anahata on 01 Apr 2015, 23:46
All I can say in Faye's defence is that
- She's behaved pretty well recently (in terms of aggression to others) until now
- The stress of not drinking may be beginning to show
- Claire asked for it: knows from experience what happens if you get snarky with Faye, and
- At least she didn't actually hit Claire. She's hit Marten many times.

But instead of judging either Claire or Faye, I'm surprised there hasn't been much speculation about where Jeph is going with this.
Is Faye going to have some epiphany of remorse at the support group? Will her behaviour stretch Marten's patience to the limit? Is this going to cause the first storm in MartenClaire's super-cute-and-perfect relationship?
There must be a reason for this plot development, beyond some jokey parody of Attenborough's nature programmes.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hakko504 on 01 Apr 2015, 23:59
First, am I the only one that felt like this strip was a callback to how lots of strips used to look in the early days of QC. A lot of text (well, not that much), where the main line of thought ends in the penultimate speech box, and then a final offhand comment by a character looking away from the others. Compare 180 (followed by another 5 or 6 examples in the next 10 strips) (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=180), 253-255 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=253).
Not complaning, it was just a bit unexpected, as Jeph hasn't really used that particular technique very often lately. I can find a few more examples in the last 100 strips, but noone quite as obvious as today's. Seems like the 2x2 layout of the strip doesn't quite lend itself very well to this particular technique, and lo and behold, today's strip is mostly top down.


Offtopic:
Omnibus editions of various Discworld books would be nice, since I only own about half of them, and would love to read the rest.  Discworld is one of the few series where I think that the work actually got better the longer that it went on.
Actually, omnibus editions do exist, at least of the first 20 or so books. I checked my bookshelf, and I seems to have at least 6 of them. 2 covering the first 5 Rincewind books(CoM/TLF,S/FE/IT), 1 witches trilogy(ER/WS/WA), 1 City watch trilogy(G!G!/MAA/FoC), 1 Death trilogy (M/RM/SM), 1 Gods trilogy (SG/P/Hf). However, I bought these more than 10 years ago when my paperback editions of said books started to fall to pieces after too many readthroughs, and they are out of print by now. Most of them seems to be available at amazon.co.uk though. The dates listed there also seems consistent with when I recall purchasing them, 1999-2002.

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Nah, I'm good.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 02 Apr 2015, 00:13
adorkable.

A synonym for squee, which is something, others are frankly sick of.

Quote
So for Faye to react violently - and it is violently - to someone who was just moments before excited to be helpful to her and does not have a malicious bone in her body...

I wonder how her brother would view that statement? It seems to me that, intentional or not, many of the embarrassing, or denigrating jokes, and stories she tells at his expense carry a fair bit of malice.

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Faye, meanwhile, has called Claire a smartarse and a dork in this time, with Claire and Marten both copping that one on the chin with bright, proud smiles.

And therein lies the problem, when she said those things to Marten, she was trying to draw his attention to the fact that his girlfriend was tap dancing all over her last nerve. To which he replied with an "I Know, Isn't It Great" attitude. After trying twice and failing, Faye took maters into her own hands, and i really can't fault her for it, because the person who should have been telling Clare to tone it down, was instead passively encouraging her to take it up to eleven.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Truec on 02 Apr 2015, 00:14
I can only assume that Faye's current attitude is due to stress.  Normally she's all for sass and wit, even at her expense.

Hmm, no link? Thought we had a link. No? Ok.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Apr 2015, 00:54
Seems like a few people here haven't been around addicts, particularly addicts attempting to quit their drug of choice, too much.

Citing the behaviour of this comic as the same as the earlier, for lack of a better term less enlightened comics in terms of violent or threatening behaviour is unfair.

Faye is being an asshole in this particular strip, yes, but she's also been sober for the longest time she's been sober in a while. The times I've tried to quit smoking cold turkey, I'd have kicked my mother down the stairs for a drag, especially the first few days.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 02:13
Okay, so this is how I see things going down. I'm probably wrong but I like this sceniario:

FRIDAY (six-panel frame)
PANEL 1: MARTEN is sitting between CLAIRE and FAYE; a barricade by choice or necessity? Who knows?
CLAIRE: "You know, you'd think that an artist would have a nice, intellectual explanation for her art!"
FAYE: "You know, you'd think that a good girlfriend would know how to treat her boyfriend's best friend!"
PANEL 2: MARTEN is now clearly trapped; FAYE and CLAIRE are leaning towards each other and getting red in the face.
CLAIRE: "For someone who's made such a screw-up of her life, you're full of advice for other people!"
FAYE: "For someone who's apparently been a wallflower up to now, you seem to know a lot about how to act!"
PANEL 4: Close up on MARTEN's face
FAYE (off-panel): "Maybe my roommate's new pet should learn respect!"
CLAIRE (off-panel): "Maybe my boyfriend's charity case should learn gratitude!"
PANEL 5: Same close up but MARTEN'S irises have gone red!
MARTEN: "That's..."
PANEL 6: MARTEN is throwing his hands up in the air. FAYE and CLAIRE are both reeling back, their hair is fear/shock spiky
MARTEN: "ENOUGH!"

MONDAY (four-panel frame)
PANEL 1 (half-height): Marten, glaring and pointing
MARTEN: "Okay, I'd hoped that I could avoid this forever but here goes!"
PANEL 2 (full height): CLAIRE, looking down in shame.
MARTEN (off panel): "Claire, I love you; you're beautiful, funny and intelligent but you've got to stop being so cruel to people!"
CLAIRE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "Putting people down like that isn't cool and it isn't funny! It's unattractive Claire! It makes you look ugly and small!"
PANEL 3 (full height): FAYE, looking down in shame
MARTEN (off panel): "Faye, I love you like the sister I've never had but you can be the meanest person I've ever known!"
FAYE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "I know you've had a hard life but you've got to stop treating it as a license to be a complete and utter shit to everyone you ever meet!"
PANEL 4 (half height): MARTEN is walking away from the couch as CLAIRE and FAYE look at him in shock.
MARTEN: "I'm not telling you to hug and make friends; you're both adults and you can run your own lives."
MARTEN (second balloon): "I'm just telling you to GROW UP!"
PANEL 5 (half height): FAYE and CLAIRE looking off-panel to the right
MARTEN (off panel): "I'm going to walk this off!"
SFX: DOOR SLAM
PANEL 6: FAYE and CLAIRE looking at each other fearfully
CLAIRE: "Wow! Talk about screwing up the best thing in your life in one evening!"
FAYE: "Tell me about it, sister!"

The next two strips on Tuesday and Wednesday would be a filler BUT would both have the last panel being Marten walking around or maybe leaning on a wall and rubbing the bridge of his nose somewhere in Northampton.

THURSDAY (six-panel frame)
PANEL 1: MARTEN unlocking the apartment's front door
PANEL 2: Close-up on MARTEN's face; he's wide-eyed
PANEL 3: MARTEN's POV - FAYE and CLAIRE are both standing in the middle room, looking embarrassed. Their eyes are suspiciously shiny
PANEL 4: FAYE and CLAIRE are both glomping Marten from different sides
FAYE: "MartyI'msorryI'msuchafuckupandabitchandI'msorryanddon'thatemeIpromiseI'lldobetterIswear...!"
CLAIRE: "MartenI'msorryIactlikealittlechildandI'mscaredofpeopleandpleasedon'tdumpmeIpromiseI'llstopandbenicerIpromise..."
PANEL 5: MARTEN is smiling reassuringly and trying to hug both teaful ladies at once
MARTEN: "Wow! Hey! Don't cry! It's gonna be okay! You'll see!"
PINTSIZE (Off-panel): "Wow! Is this a prelude to a make-up sex threesome? Where's my camera?"
PANEL 6: MARTEN, FAYE and CLAIRE all all glaring at PINTSIZE, who is standing on the arm of the couch.
PINTSIZE: "So... I'm thinking that the answer is 'No'. I'm going to lock myself in my cupboard now."

[EDIT]
Yeah... so I admit that there is a lot of my thoughts in Marten's rant
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: KOK on 02 Apr 2015, 03:21
Who does the title text of 2930 refer to?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 03:28
Who does the title text of 2930 refer to?

I think that Jeph left that deliberately ambiguous but I suspect it's a reference Claire's need to tease.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Satan on 02 Apr 2015, 03:38
Okay, so this is how I see things going down. I'm probably wrong but I like this sceniario:

FRIDAY (six-panel frame)
PANEL 1: MARTEN is sitting between CLAIRE and FAYE; a barricade by choice or necessity? Who knows?
CLAIRE: "You know, you'd think that an artist would have a nice, intellectual explanation for her art!"
FAYE: "You know, you'd think that a good girlfriend would know how to treat her boyfriend's best friend!"
PANEL 2: MARTEN is now clearly trapped; FAYE and CLAIRE are leaning towards each other and getting red in the face.
CLAIRE: "For someone who's made such a screw-up of her life, you're full of advice for other people!"
FAYE: "For someone who's apparently been a wallflower up to now, you seem to know a lot about how to act!"
PANEL 4: Close up on MARTEN's face
FAYE (off-panel): "Maybe my roommate's new pet should learn respect!"
CLAIRE (off-panel): "Maybe my boyfriend's charity case should learn gratitude!"
PANEL 5: Same close up but MARTEN'S irises have gone red!
MARTEN: "That's..."
PANEL 6: MARTEN is throwing his hands up in the air. FAYE and CLAIRE are both reeling back, their hair is fear/shock spiky
MARTEN: "ENOUGH!"

MONDAY (four-panel frame)
PANEL 1 (half-height): Marten, glaring and pointing
MARTEN: "Okay, I'd hoped that I could avoid this forever but here goes!"
PANEL 2 (full height): CLAIRE, looking down in shame.
MARTEN (off panel): "Claire, I love you; you're beautiful, funny and intelligent but you've got to stop being so cruel to people!"
CLAIRE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "Putting people down like that isn't cool and it isn't funny! It's unattractive Claire! It makes you look ugly and small!"
PANEL 3 (full height): FAYE, looking down in shame
MARTEN (off panel): "Faye, I love you like the sister I've never had but you can be the meanest person I've ever known!"
FAYE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "I know you've had a hard life but you've got to stop treating it as a license to be a complete and utter shit to everyone you ever meet!"
PANEL 4 (half height): MARTEN is walking away from the couch as CLAIRE and FAYE look at him in shock.
MARTEN: "I'm not telling you to hug and make friends; you're both adults and you can run your own lives."
MARTEN (second balloon): "I'm just telling you to GROW UP!"
PANEL 5 (half height): FAYE and CLAIRE looking off-panel to the right
MARTEN (off panel): "I'm going to walk this off!"
SFX: DOOR SLAM
PANEL 6: FAYE and CLAIRE looking at each other fearfully
CLAIRE: "Wow! Talk about screwing up the best thing in your life in one evening!"
FAYE: "Tell me about it, sister!"

The next two strips on Tuesday and Wednesday would be a filler BUT would both have the last panel being Marten walking around or maybe leaning on a wall and rubbing the bridge of his nose somewhere in Northampton.

THURSDAY (six-panel frame)
PANEL 1: MARTEN unlocking the apartment's front door
PANEL 2: Close-up on MARTEN's face; he's wide-eyed
PANEL 3: MARTEN's POV - FAYE and CLAIRE are both standing in the middle room, looking embarrassed. Their eyes are suspiciously shiny
PANEL 4: FAYE and CLAIRE are both glomping Marten from different sides
FAYE: "MartyI'msorryI'msuchafuckupandabitchandI'msorryanddon'thatemeIpromiseI'lldobetterIswear...!"
CLAIRE: "MartenI'msorryIactlikealittlechildandI'mscaredofpeopleandpleasedon'tdumpmeIpromiseI'llstopandbenicerIpromise..."
PANEL 5: MARTEN is smiling reassuringly and trying to hug both teaful ladies at once
MARTEN: "Wow! Hey! Don't cry! It's gonna be okay! You'll see!"
PINTSIZE (Off-panel): "Wow! Is this a prelude to a make-up sex threesome? Where's my camera?"
PANEL 6: MARTEN, FAYE and CLAIRE all all glaring at PINTSIZE, who is standing on the arm of the couch.
PINTSIZE: "So... I'm thinking that the answer is 'No'. I'm going to lock myself in my cupboard now."

[EDIT]
Yeah... so I admit that there is a lot of my thoughts in Marten's rant
You're missing the bit where Marten dislocates his jaw and swallows them both whole, boa constrictor style.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 02 Apr 2015, 03:45
The trouble is that Faye is regularly an asshole to everyone. This isn't the first time she's physically intimidated Claire for trying to interact with Faye the way she sees Faye interacting with other people all the time. Faye is like the poster child of 'can dish it out but can't take it' at times like this. The beer can incident can be set aside somewhat as Claire was clearly being unwarrantedly bitchy with her comment and it was taken mostly jokingly by everyone except Claire. In this case though she was clearly being aggressive and even threatening with the "I only put up with you, we are NOT friends and you do NOT have the right to do to me what I do to you and everyone else."

It can be said quite reasonably that Fay is just extra prickly right now because she's going cold turkey and stressed out. Which is true.. But it's also true that Fay is pretty much always like this. She cows and intimidates everyone around her. She sets up a pecking order by means of verbal barbs, threats and outright physical violence. Really the only ones who stand up and don't back down to her are Dora and  Hanners. Everyone else in her circle, which is unsurprisingly small, is various degrees of 'resignedly putting up with it from a co-worker' to 'whipping boy'.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 04:18
See, this is my problem with Faye. She’s never been my favourite character, and she’s never been a character I particularly like, but she’s always been a character I really want to like. I’d started to like her more, partly because what she’s been through recently evokes my sympathy (and I tend to like people whom I sympathise with), and partly because of the way she seems to have been handling it so far. Then she goes and does something like this.

I know, I shouldn’t be so invested in a fictional character in a webcomic, but I can’t help but feel disappointed when she reverts back to the behaviour that makes it so hard for me to like her in the first place (aggressive, overly sassy, bordering on bullying).

My hope is that maybe her aggressive stance towards Claire right now is her (Faye) sort of testing her own waters, in the sense of using a behaviour she’s very used to using, in a time of very high stress? Faye’s acceptance of the reality of her situation in the immediate aftermath of being hospitalised, along with her open and polite response to the support group, seemed slightly out of character to me, in the “too good to be true” sense. It must have taken either a genuine epiphany, or a lot of effort, for her to react in those ways, and I wonder if she’s feeling almost like she’s not herself anymore. Trying to lay the smack-down on Claire might be a way of sort of feeling inside herself to see if there’s something of the old Faye that she can grasp on to. Whether that’s to comfort herself with old behaviours, or to help convince herself that pre-hospitalisation Faye hasn’t disappeared, I have no idea. I just hope that she’s not going to revert back entirely to the prickly, snarky, frankly sometimes unpleasant person that she often used to be.

Ugh, I’m really not expressing myself very well in this post, but does anyone know what I’m getting at here?

ETA: Regardless of Faye’s motives, I don’t believe Claire deserves this harsh reaction. Claire may be feeling happy and comfortable in Marten’s affection, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t feeling awkward and insecure in Marten’s circle. How many of us, in similar circumstances where we want to be accepted, have taken an inexperienced step too far during an initial rush of confidence and immediately regretted whatever came out of our mouths? I know I have, many times.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: swapna on 02 Apr 2015, 04:27
The trouble is that Faye is regularly an asshole to everyone. This isn't the first time she's physically intimidated Claire for trying to interact with Faye the way she sees Faye interacting with other people all the time. Faye is like the poster child of 'can dish it out but can't take it' at times like this. The beer can incident can be set aside somewhat as Claire was clearly being unwarrantedly bitchy with her comment and it was taken mostly jokingly by everyone except Claire. In this case though she was clearly being aggressive and even threatening with the "I only put up with you, we are NOT friends and you do NOT have the right to do to me what I do to you and everyone else."

Yeah, Faye's not nice. But actually, she's been pretty patient and trying to be nice to people since she's been sober - she took Hanner's suggestion that she should suck it up, she thanked Marten, she apologised to Claire and Pintsize and she was civil with Dora. Doesn't mean she's a saint, now, but I think she tries to do what's right. Claire doesn't - she pestered the clearly annoyed Faye and didn't stop  (that's pretty much what she does - remember how she treats Clinton?)

And, while I think the 'asserting dominance over the smaller, weaker female'-Comment took it way too far, it's fair to tell somebody that they're not your friend and they went overboard. Especially when they aren't - their first interaction mostly Claire telling Faye that she's stupid, and Faye having none of that. They may become friends, but at the moment...

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 04:58
(...remember how she treats Clinton?)

That's always bothered me a little bit too. Sure, Clinton has been super inappropriate at times, bordering on creepy, but I think sometimes we're too quick to judge Clinton on behaviour that we might forgive other characters for. Clinton's inappropriateness has always seemed immediate to me, borne out of a general cluelessness, rather than any kind of prolonged, malicious creepiness. And Claire is still in my top three favourite characters, but I sometimes feel that her treatment of Clinton is a little dismissive and harsh, especially when he's not there to defend himself.

Apologies, swapna, if I’m taking your mention of Clinton too much out of context. It’s just something that rankles with me, and you reminded me of it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 02 Apr 2015, 05:00
See, this is my problem with Faye. She’s never been my favourite character, and she’s never been a character I particularly like, but she’s always been a character I really want to like. I’d started to like her more, partly because what she’s been through recently evokes my sympathy (and I tend to like people whom I sympathise with), and partly because of the way she seems to have been handling it so far. Then she goes and does something like this.

I know, I shouldn’t be so invested in a fictional character in a webcomic, but I can’t help but feel disappointed when she reverts back to the behaviour that makes it so hard for me to like her in the first place (aggressive, overly sassy, bordering on bullying).

My hope is that maybe her aggressive stance towards Claire right now is her (Faye) sort of testing her own waters, in the sense of using a behaviour she’s very used to using, in a time of very high stress? Faye’s acceptance of the reality of her situation in the immediate aftermath of being hospitalised, along with her open and polite response to the support group, seemed slightly out of character to me, in the “too good to be true” sense. It must have taken either a genuine epiphany, or a lot of effort, for her to react in those ways, and I wonder if she’s feeling almost like she’s not herself anymore. Trying to lay the smack-down on Claire might be a way of sort of feeling inside herself to see if there’s something of the old Faye that she can grasp on to. Whether that’s to comfort herself with old behaviours, or to help convince herself that pre-hospitalisation Faye hasn’t disappeared, I have no idea. I just hope that she’s not going revert back entirely to the prickly, snarky, frankly sometimes unpleasant person that she often used to be.

Ugh, I’m really not expressing myself very well in this post, but does anyone know what I’m getting at here?


If I have you right, your saying that Faye, after undergoing a huge shock to her mental and physical being, went a bit out of character, and not in a bad way. But now after she has taken care of those initial steps, she's finally able to realize that she doesn't quite feel herself yet. And she's scared. And scared people often look for stability. Faye has abandonment issues, so her stability is herself-specifically, her aggressiveness. So she is lashing out. And if that it a correct assessment, then I agree.  If I have you all wrong, then let me know.

 To add my own thoughts to that, she probably feels weak and frightened(I may be projecting though.) It takes a great deal to accept you need help, and the aftermath can make you feel vulnerable. Part of her lashing out may just be her way of reassuring herself that she is still "master of her domain", as it were. Or at least, still able to intimidate others, so they won't think her fragile or easy to walk all over.  A person should be able to feel comfortable in their own home, after all, and not be subjected to irritations by others who don't live there.  I mean, I don't get why Claire's ribbing was all that bad-maybe annoying, but just barely. But then, I am not a recovering addict trying to reestablish my place in life. Just being unemployed puts me on edge, nevermind my brain chemicals trying to reset. But then, how was Claire supposed to know? She doesn't know Faye well enough to realize how high strung her nerves are just now. And she isn't nearly so socially competent as to extrapolate it. Didn't she ask Faye if she was stupid at one point? I vaguely remember something like that, but I have bad archive fu. 

I don't really agree with how Faye reacted, but I do understand it, sort of.

Two steps forward, one step back.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 02 Apr 2015, 05:09
(...remember how she treats Clinton?)
Claire is still in my top three favourite characters, but I sometimes feel that her treatment of Clinton is a little dismissive and harsh, especially when he's not there to defend himself.

It's a sibling thing.

Not all siblings, mind. But enough of them.

Gravity Falls does it exceedingly well with Mabel and Dipper. They always get really mad at each other at a drop of a hat, they're brutally nasty to each other just as quick, but then they forgive each other faster still.

I like to imagine Claire and Clinton as Mabel and Dipper but All Growed Up.

Typo intentional Rugrats reference.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 05:33
[First two paragraphs cut for space]

My hope is that maybe her aggressive stance towards Claire right now is her (Faye) sort of testing her own waters, in the sense of using a behaviour she’s very used to using, in a time of very high stress? Faye’s acceptance of the reality of her situation in the immediate aftermath of being hospitalised, along with her open and polite response to the support group, seemed slightly out of character to me, in the “too good to be true” sense. It must have taken either a genuine epiphany, or a lot of effort, for her to react in those ways, and I wonder if she’s feeling almost like she’s not herself anymore. Trying to lay the smack-down on Claire might be a way of sort of feeling inside herself to see if there’s something of the old Faye that she can grasp on to. Whether that’s to comfort herself with old behaviours, or to help convince herself that pre-hospitalisation Faye hasn’t disappeared, I have no idea. I just hope that she’s not going revert back entirely to the prickly, snarky, frankly sometimes unpleasant person that she often used to be.

Ugh, I’m really not expressing myself very well in this post, but does anyone know what I’m getting at here?


If I have you right, your saying that Faye, after undergoing a huge shock to her mental and physical being, went a bit out of character, and not in a bad way. But now after she has taken care of those initial steps, she's finally able to realize that she doesn't quite feel herself yet. And she's scared. And scared people often look for stability. Faye has abandonment issues, so her stability is herself-specifically, her aggressiveness. So she is lashing out. And if that it a correct assessment, then I agree.  If I have you all wrong, then let me know.

 To add my own thoughts to that, she probably feels weak and frightened(I may be projecting though.) It takes a great deal to accept you need help, and the aftermath can make you feel vulnerable. Part of her lashing out may just be her way of reassuring herself that she is still "master of her domain", as it were. Or at least, still able to intimidate others, so they won't think her fragile or easy to walk all over.  A person should be able to feel comfortable in their own home, after all, and not be subjected to irritations by others who don't live there.  I mean, I don't get why Claire's ribbing was all that bad-maybe annoying, but just barely. But then, I am not a recovering addict trying to reestablish my place in life. Just being unemployed puts me on edge, nevermind my brain chemicals trying to reset. But then, how was Claire supposed to know? She doesn't know Faye well enough to realize how high strung her nerves are just now. And she isn't nearly so socially competent as to extrapolate it. Didn't she ask Faye if she was stupid at one point? I vaguely remember something like that, but I have bad archive fu. 

I don't really agree with how Faye reacted, but I do understand it, sort of.

Two steps forward, one step back.

Far from having me all wrong, you’ve said pretty much what I was trying to say, but far more articulately than I was able to :) Your putting it as “master of her domain” is hitting the nail on the head as far as I’m concerned.

Going further, and as you say, making sure she’s still able to intimidate, and therefore not appear as fragile, is an aspect I hadn’t really thought of. I’d been thinking of it purely as Faye struggling with herself, but you’re right, the way other people see her is also probably massively important to her right now. So thanks, you’ve given me yet another dimension to this!

I’m not a recovering addict either, although I’ve come very close, but I’m with you on the unemployment. It can make me very defensive and insecure, and I dread meeting new people because of the inevitable “what do you do?” questions.

(I put an edit on my original post, I think after you replied to it, about Claire not deserving quite such an extreme reaction. So as far as that goes, I completely agree.)

I’m also with you on the archives: I have a bad sense of time and my archive-fu is rubbish! I think you might be right about that though, I seem to remember Claire once asking Faye “I don’t know, are you a bit stupid?” or something similar.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 02 Apr 2015, 06:05
And, while I think the 'asserting dominance over the smaller, weaker female'-Comment took it way too far, it's fair to tell somebody that they're not your friend and they went overboard. Especially when they aren't - their first interaction mostly Claire telling Faye that she's stupid, and Faye having none of that. They may become friends, but at the moment...

Which is part of my point. Calling Claire out for pushing to far is all well and fine. And probably needed as Claire does tend to push things to far from time to time. That's not what Faye did though. She went into full aggressive bitch mode, as she tends to do. She literally got into Claire's face to the point where Claire was backing up fearfully. That's not a way to establish a friendship. As far as 'you haven't earned the right to sass me', that's pure hypocrisy. Faye sasses everyone. How has she 'earned the right' to do that?

I’m also with you on the archives: I have a bad sense of time and my archive-fu is rubbish! I think you might be right about that though, I seem to remember Claire once asking Faye “I don’t know, are you a bit stupid?” or something similar.

That is the previously mentioned 'beer can on the head' strip. And Claire did have it coming with that one. Her comment wasn't sass, though maybe she was intending it that way. It was just plain insulting.

Edited for quote mistake derping.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 06:35
Which is part of my point. Calling Claire out for pushing to far is all well and fine. And probably needed as Claire does tend to push things to far from time to time. That's not what Faye did though. She went into full aggressive bitch mode, as she tends to do. She literally got into Claire's face to the point where Claire was backing up fearfully. That's not a way to establish a friendship. As far as 'you haven't earned the right to sass me', that's pure hypocrisy. Faye sasses everyone. How has she 'earned the right' to do that?

This.

Except for one thing, that not only isn't the way to establish a friendship, it's completely unacceptable behavior period. If it had been Steve telling Claire off along with threatening body language would people be as quick to defend or does the Claire hatedom run that deep?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 02 Apr 2015, 06:49
I actually think that this strip really shows how obnoxious that Faye can be.  Picking on Claire like that, since she won't or can't fight back is almost like kicking a puppy or kitten (whichever one likes the most).  She's basically an innocent, whether she's being "annoying" or not. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 02 Apr 2015, 06:49
And therein lies the problem, when she said those things to Marten, she was trying to draw his attention to the fact that his girlfriend was tap dancing all over her last nerve. To which he replied with an "I Know, Isn't It Great" attitude. After trying twice and failing, Faye took maters into her own hands, and i really can't fault her for it, because the person who should have been telling Clare to tone it down, was instead passively encouraging her to take it up to eleven.

Yeah, he really should've controlled his uppity girl. How dare she comment on a metal penis. Girlfriends should be seen and not heard.

I know that's an exaggeration, but if Faye was really trying to say, 'be civil to your girlfriend, bro, because I'm incapable of being civil to her,' then that just makes the situation seem worse to me. I also have a hard time finding fault with most of Claire's words. Based on how Faye reacted to the support group suggestion, it's pretty clear she never would've considered it without Claire's suggestion, so there's nothing wrong with feeling good about giving that suggestion. Claire didn't even refer to Faye changing her mind or anything similar that would've been a take down of Faye's snap judgement. The metal penis was bound to be a point of discussion. I do think the 'all [] projects dick-first' line was a leap and a shitty thing to say. However, I read the no-sass rule as being more about Claire's general demeanour towards Faye, literally 'you don't get to banter with me', rather than a take down of the specific thing Claire said that went too far.

I will agree to the point others have made about this being related to her withdrawl symptoms. It's definitely amplifying her characteristic behaviour rather than creating new behaviour though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ASB84 on 02 Apr 2015, 07:14
I think it's an interesting point about Claire being taken down a peg for some of her more obnoxious/misguided traits, and I'd certainly agree that she seemingly bullies Clinton to the point where he becomes a sympathetic character, despite having some rather unsympathetic/off-putting moments. I think it's fair to say there's some fault on both sides here. However, at the end of the day, I'm more inclined to take the side of the person who was being a bit cheeky and obnoxious, over the person who's being downright abrasive and threatening. Faye's going through a rough time and Claire does suffer a bit of foot in mouth disease, but Faye's providing a much bigger "Whoa, not cool!" moment in my view.

As for the previous incident with the beer can...Claire's choice of words was stupidly blunt and a bit callous, but once again, Faye's threat of violence (which Claire specifically mentioned) crossed the line, even though it was played for laughs. It's an issue that Faye clearly still needs to work through.

The question has been raised as to where this is going. I'd be inclined to say it'll be quickly resolved, or it'll be the first hiccup in Marten and Claire's relationship (albeit one that's smoothed over in short order), with him ending up defending Faye. It's been suggested that Marten stands up to Faye, but...well, this is Marten we're talking about here. I'd be very surprised if he suddenly gained that kind of intestinal fortitude; I just have trouble seeing that kind of development take place.

In fact, if I can channel my inner David Letterman for a moment...

Top 10 Things That Will Happen in QC Before Marten Stands Up To Faye

10. Cosette learns how to juggle.
9. Wil writes a poem that isn't hilariously pretentious garbage.
8. Yelling Bird uses no profanity for a whole strip, apologises for previous outbursts.
7. Hanners puts an ad on Craigslist, "Friend With Benefits Wanted!"
6. Raven returns.
5. Dora begs the rest of the cast to tell her how to run her life.
4. Sven and Hannelore...together at last!
3. Week long arc featuring The Bros meeting their British counterparts, The Lads.
2. Jeph cameos in an extended - and dated - parody of the Architect scene from The Matrix Reloaded.

And the number one thing that will happen in QC before Marten stands up to Faye...

1. The Shame Orb becomes canon.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 07:18
Except for one thing, that not only isn't the way to establish a friendship, it's completely unacceptable behavior period. If it had been Steve telling Claire off along with threatening body language would people be as quick to defend or does the Claire hatedom run that deep?

I actually haven't seen any significant Claire-hate on this strip either here or on the Subreddit (the latter being a shock as the place is virulently anti-Claire but only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her). I would say that the responses I've seen have been about 7/8 saying Faye was in the wrong or at the very least saying that she is under duress due to her trying to break an addiction and a mistake like this shouldn't be held against her.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 07:26
(the latter being a shock as the place is virulently anti-Claire but only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her).

I did not! I was the first one to stand up for her.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 02 Apr 2015, 07:32
So for Faye to react violently - and it is violently - to someone who was just moments before excited to be helpful to her and does not have a malicious bone in her body...

"Excited to be helpful" isn't a universally-positive trait, though.  Some people found her reaction insensitive and selfish.  I'm not saying that's the right view, but perhaps Faye viewed it in a similar light.  Faye barely knows Claire, and it doesn't require maliciousness to be insensitive or even cruel to someone.  Having someone casually talk about something that's difficult and life-changing for you can cause a lot of strong emotions.  If Faye handled it differently, like she did the first time she snapped at Claire about these things, I imagine Claire would understand.  While she's fairly innocent, she's a graduate student, not a toddler.

This is a difficult time in Faye's life (and everyone she knows also knows about it, and she might feel worried about being judged), and many people are embarrassed about "needing help".  Faye just says, "For, y'know," about where she's been, so that might suggest that she's not really comfortable mentioning this stuff yet.  I'm not as literally violent as Faye, but I've got some temper issues (that I am definitely working on!), and I know that when I'm feeling vulnerable and embarrassed, I have a tendency to lash out at people, too.  The people who are saying that it's unacceptable behavior are totally right in saying so, but I think that when you're dealing with a situation that's making you re-evaluate yourself, everything you do, and your methods of coping are what caused this problem (meaning you don't have many coping strategies to deal with your coping strategies), it can make you a lot less tolerant of small annoyances and make you more sensitive to perceived slights (you hate yourself and everyone else does, too).

I'm of the mind that not being able to read volume and tone here might impact how we read it.  Faye could also be speaking quietly and leaning in to both make a point and to be heard more clearly.  Neither she nor Claire are mind-readers, so they might not realize how badly they're coming off to each other.  It happens, and hopefully, both will be able to move past it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: mawnck on 02 Apr 2015, 07:33
I still can't work out why she has sculpted a phallus without having the rest of the installation to which she can attach it!

I can't find it now, but I'm SURE I remember she was in the process of constructing a penis cat in one of the strips.

If I'm going insane, please disregard.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Apr 2015, 07:42
I'm very sorry, but you're not going insane. She was sculpting a bonercat espresso machine.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Apr 2015, 07:51
only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her).

Moderator Comment This is absolutely not an okay way to refer to another forumite.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 07:52
only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her).

This is absolutely not an okay way to refer to another forumite.

I feel that I should state, unequivocally, that I was not referring to anyone who is a current member of this forum. Valky was just being funny in her own way.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 08:11
[INSIGHTFUL PARAGRAPHS REMOVED DUE TO SPACE]

In fact, if I can channel my inner David Letterman for a moment...

Top 10 Things That Will Happen in QC Before Marten Stands Up To Faye

10. Cosette learns how to juggle.
9. Wil writes a poem that isn't hilariously pretentious garbage.
8. Yelling Bird uses no profanity for a whole strip, apologises for previous outbursts.
7. Hanners puts an ad on Craigslist, "Friend With Benefits Wanted!"
6. Raven returns.
5. Dora begs the rest of the cast to tell her how to run her life.
4. Sven and Hannelore...together at last!
3. Week long arc featuring The Bros meeting their British counterparts, The Lads.
2. Jeph cameos in an extended - and dated - parody of the Architect scene from The Matrix Reloaded.

And the number one thing that will happen in QC before Marten stands up to Faye...

1. The Shame Orb becomes canon.

This is the first thing I’ve read on this forum that made me laugh out loud, and I’ve never even watched Letterman, nor do I know who he is, other than that he’s a chatshow host? Is he similar to Jimmy Kimmel? Regardless, I think that was comedy nailing, my friend.


I actually haven't seen any significant Claire-hate on this strip either here or on the Subreddit (the latter being a shock as the place is virulently anti-Claire but only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her). I would say that the responses I've seen have been about 7/8 saying Faye was in the wrong or at the very least saying that she is under duress due to her trying to break an addiction and a mistake like this shouldn't be held against her.

I once looked at that subreddit out of curiosity. It seems rather angry. Part of the reason I chose to start posting on this forum was because it seemed like one of the most thoughtful forums out there. I haven’t seen any particularly virulent Claire-hate here either. I feel like this might be the only place where people can legitimately discuss Claire’s personality / portrayal, without getting into things that are basically irrelevant.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 02 Apr 2015, 08:49
And therein lies the problem, when she said those things to Marten, she was trying to draw his attention to the fact that his girlfriend was tap dancing all over her last nerve. To which he replied with an "I Know, Isn't It Great" attitude. After trying twice and failing, Faye took maters into her own hands, and i really can't fault her for it, because the person who should have been telling Clare to tone it down, was instead passively encouraging her to take it up to eleven.
Yeah, he really should've controlled his uppity girl. How dare she comment on a metal penis. Girlfriends should be seen and not heard.

Better to say he should have been more attentive to the situation, and reined in his guest.

I don't know, maybe my circle has different social dynamics, but for us, taking responsibility for a guest is a thing. If you invite someone over who gets drunk, and they shit in the sink, you get to clean it up; if your guest blows their stack, and starts punching holes in the walls, or knocking out windows, you pay for the repairs; and if your guest is being an obnoxious ass, who's pissing other people off, it's on you to tell them to knock it off, or take them home. So in my mind, when Faye turns to Marten as the person who invited Claire, and not once but twice calls attention to the fact that her shit is wearing thin, it was his responsibility to take some form of action. Instead he keeps going "I Know" with that "isn't it so wonderful" smile on his face, completely oblivious to the fact that what he finds so cute, and endearing, others find grating on the same level as masturbating with a cheese shredder.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tangerinewarrior on 02 Apr 2015, 09:03

Top 10 Things That Will Happen in QC Before Marten Stands Up To Faye

10. Cosette learns how to juggle.
9. Wil writes a poem that isn't hilariously pretentious garbage.
8. Yelling Bird uses no profanity for a whole strip, apologises for previous outbursts.
7. Hanners puts an ad on Craigslist, "Friend With Benefits Wanted!"
6. Raven returns.
5. Dora begs the rest of the cast to tell her how to run her life.
4. Sven and Hannelore...together at last!
3. Week long arc featuring The Bros meeting their British counterparts, The Lads.
2. Jeph cameos in an extended - and dated - parody of the Architect scene from The Matrix Reloaded.

And the number one thing that will happen in QC before Marten stands up to Faye...

1. The Shame Orb becomes canon.

I do feel that this is going to build up to Marten standing up to Faye (in his own milquetoast way). While I get that you think it's never going to happen (given their history), Marten is eventually going to have to do so for Faye's own good. I recall him doing it before for other characters (I want to say he told her not to tease Hannelore, but I could have that wrong), so doing it for Claire would be in character. But honestly, I think he'll have a heart to heart with Faye not because of this, but because Faye's life has imploded on her, and her surliness isn't going to help. Ultimately, both ladies are acting poorly here, and I think Marten's face in the last panel makes it clear he is realizing this.

It'll be interesting, what happens. On a side note, I can also see Pintsize being the one who sets/helps Faye the most. We've seen his rational-sensible side before (his conversation with Momo about his relationship with Marten), and he's good about having heart to hearts with people. He's also the third roommate in the apartment, and probably knows more about Faye and Marten than they realize. 

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Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Reaver on 02 Apr 2015, 09:05

MARTEN (off panel): "Claire, I love you; you're beautiful, funny and intelligent but you've got to stop being so cruel to people!"
CLAIRE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "Putting people down like that isn't cool and it isn't funny! It's unattractive Claire! It makes you look ugly and small!"


Why on earth would ANNNNNY boyfriend make sure to bring up that it makes his girlfriend "Ugly and unattractive"????

Of all the things to bring up, why her physical appearance due to an attitude a problem???? Touch on the sexist side and very un Marten like don't you think? Possibly

"But you've got to learn when to stop! It's starting to grate on some  people and I want them to LIKE my new girlfriend as much as I do!" Possibly but not  "YOU ARE PHYSICALLY UNATTRACTIVE AND UGLY WHEN YOU DO THESE THINGS" that's just...silly.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 09:07
And therein lies the problem, when she said those things to Marten, she was trying to draw his attention to the fact that his girlfriend was tap dancing all over her last nerve. To which he replied with an "I Know, Isn't It Great" attitude. After trying twice and failing, Faye took maters into her own hands, and i really can't fault her for it, because the person who should have been telling Clare to tone it down, was instead passively encouraging her to take it up to eleven.
Yeah, he really should've controlled his uppity girl. How dare she comment on a metal penis. Girlfriends should be seen and not heard.

Better to say he should have been more attentive to the situation, and reined in his guest.

I don't know, maybe my circle has different social dynamics, but for us, taking responsibility for a guest is a thing. If you invite someone over who gets drunk, and they shit in the sink, you get to clean it up; if your guest blows their stack, and starts punching holes in the walls, or knocking out windows, you pay for the repairs; and if your guest is being an obnoxious ass, who's pissing other people off, it's on you to tell them to knock it off, or take them home. So in my mind, when Faye turns to Marten as the person who invited Claire, and not once but twice calls attention to the fact that her shit is wearing thin, it was his responsibility to take some form of action. Instead he keeps going "I Know" with that "isn't it so wonderful" smile on his face, completely oblivious to the fact that what he finds so cute, and endearing, others find grating on the same level as masturbating with a cheese shredder.

I disagree with you here. Shitting in the sink, punching holes in the wall, and knocking out windows are all things that you should take responsibility for if it’s your guest that did those things. But “being an obnoxious ass”? Claire isn’t being an obnoxious ass. She went too far, and turned joshing into something that was too close to the bone, but that’s a lesson she has to learn, and here might be her place to learn it. Faye could stand to learn that lesson as well. I also don’t agree with your take on Marten here. I was actually pleased that he didn’t overreact, or jump to the defense of either Claire or Faye. This is a very complicated situation, and it’s probably best that Faye and Claire figure out how to understand each other in their own time.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 09:16

MARTEN (off panel): "Claire, I love you; you're beautiful, funny and intelligent but you've got to stop being so cruel to people!"
CLAIRE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "Putting people down like that isn't cool and it isn't funny! It's unattractive Claire! It makes you look ugly and small!"

Why on earth would ANNNNNY boyfriend make sure to bring up that it makes his girlfriend "Ugly and unattractive"????

There is such a thing as 'metaphor', you know. The most beautiful woman in the world can be made ugly in someone's eyes by an ugly streak in their behaviour, just as a person of only mundane looks can become divine in appearance by a beautiful streak in their behaviour.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Reaver on 02 Apr 2015, 09:18

MARTEN (off panel): "Claire, I love you; you're beautiful, funny and intelligent but you've got to stop being so cruel to people!"
CLAIRE: "But..."
MARTEN (off panel): "Putting people down like that isn't cool and it isn't funny! It's unattractive Claire! It makes you look ugly and small!"

Why on earth would ANNNNNY boyfriend make sure to bring up that it makes his girlfriend "Ugly and unattractive"????

There is such a thing as 'metaphor', you know. The most beautiful woman in the world can be made ugly in someone's eyes by an ugly streak in their behaviour, just as a person of only mundane looks can become divine in appearance by a beautiful streak in their behaviour.

Maybe women get enough shit about how they look everywhere else, and you should just focus on the fact their bad attitude makes them harder to get along with/ to like, instead of twisting the knife of  "you're not being pretty!"
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Apr 2015, 09:19
only the resident bitter transphobe has criticised her).

This is absolutely not an okay way to refer to another forumite.

I feel that I should state, unequivocally, that I was not referring to anyone who is a current member of this forum. Valky was just being funny in her own way.

I should have been more specific. Former forumites are also not to be discussed in such a way as they are not here to defend themselves.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 09:25
This is a very complicated situation, and it’s probably best that Faye and Claire figure out how to understand each other in their own time.

Agreed.  My problem with the scenario above (edit: well, on the previous page) is that it is completely centered around Marten: Faye's and Claire's argument consists of them defining the other by their relationship to Marten, they only realize how inappropriate they've been when The Man in their lives storms out on them, and nothing is fixed until they make up (off-panel) and Marten returns to find them properly chastised.  I'm not saying Marten has to stay out of this completely, he's allowed to criticize or defend either character, but this is definitely something Faye and Claire need to work out between themselves for themselves, and not as a condition of Marten's approval.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 09:36
I think that you're being overly-negative there, Gladstone. You're forgetting that Marten, or rather their own respective (if distinctive and differing) love for Marten is a potential unifying force between Claire and Faye (and precious few others exist, if any). We all know how zen he is about his associates' behaviour. If he calls them out, then they've certainly stepped over a line.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TeaOfDeath on 02 Apr 2015, 09:37

Um, wow. It was a joke. No need to take everything so damn literally.

Welcome to the internet, where people can't read your tone! I also saw the way you started off and thought 'Oh, for fuck's sake.'

Because most people who start off like that think their opinion is more than that, that it's the truth and these other dumbasses just can't see it.

 As a part of the disagreeing group, you essentially seemed to be saying 'you don't get it, do ya, fuckface?'

Which is not conducive to an open discussion. Any time you want to set users into 'groups' and imagine them as 'other,' just... Don't mention it, because you're probably wrong.

Maybe not assume the worst of everyone, then? None of this would have been a thing if you had simply given me the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming I was trying to be a haughty asshole. I'm here to have fun; it's a comic. And yes, I become passionate when I have a "lightbulb" moment; it's not meant to alienate anyone or to make some other group feel like the "other". It's just my opinion.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 10:11
I think that you're being overly-negative there, Gladstone. You're forgetting that Marten, or rather their own respective (if distinctive and differing) love for Marten is a potential unifying force between Claire and Faye (and precious few others exist, if any). We all know how zen he is about his associates' behaviour. If he calls them out, then they've certainly stepped over a line.

Yeah, might've been a bit aggressive there, sorry.  I'm not saying Marten can't step in to keep the peace, but we need to see Faye and Claire actually trying to work things out between themselves, not just making up because Marten is Not Amused.  As I said a few pages ago, I'd rather see Claire sticking up for herself without looking to Marten for help first.  "I'm sorry I've annoyed you, but can you tone down the threats of violence, please?" wouldn't be a bad place to start.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Apr 2015, 10:14
Understandable though Faye's actions may be, I think Valkygrrl is right about them.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Apr 2015, 11:11
Faye is just being a mugwhump right now.  i think she's in that point in facing her drinking problem where it's making her just extra grumpy.  No excuse really, but it does explain her sudden mood swings.

Claire is an unknown factor in her life at the moment.  Granted, she's Martens GF, which gets her in the door (so to speak) with Faye, but she's not really had much contact or dealings with her on a really personal level as she is now, so she's feeling defensive, probably another part of her current mood set after the 'Crash'.

Claire doesn't really know Faye all that well either, despite recent contact and what Marten may have shared with her, so she's not quite figured out how to properly react around her.  Then too, I don't thing Claire has had much in the way of social contact in the kind of context she's in now.  Granted, she's no Marigold, but neither is she used to that kind of contact and hasn't quite figured out the rules yet.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Apr 2015, 11:36
I do feel that this is going to build up to Marten standing up to Faye (in his own milquetoast way). While I get that you think it's never going to happen (given their history), Marten is eventually going to have to do so for Faye's own good. I recall him doing it before for other characters (I want to say he told her not to tease Hannelore, but I could have that wrong)

Probably thinking of Tai, library spiders and bibliodon's.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Apr 2015, 11:43
(I want to say he told her not to tease Hannelore, but I could have that wrong)

It's possible but all I remember is Marten telling Tai to stop making passes at Hannelore, and Angus telling Faye not to verbally bite Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Apr 2015, 12:13
Yes, it was definitely Angus who told her to stop teasing Marigold.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 02 Apr 2015, 12:38
I was trying to find the strip where Dora keeps telling Faye to shut up leading up to the duct tape solution, but failed. :(
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Khazgar on 02 Apr 2015, 13:05
Missed most of the discussion on today's strip, but - I think Faye is in the wrong here. Claire was teasing her, and - maybe - doesn't have the social skills to know when she has gone a bit too far, but Faye's reaction goes way over impolite and rue and straight into aggressive. Jeph tried to make a joke about it, but her behaviour was out of line. I know she's struggling with alcoholism and all of her other problems, but that was just too much.

Be interesting to see what happens in tomorrow's strip - if I had been Marten I would have defended Claire, Faye has been doing what she wants for far too long and has already been called out on it (and fired) by Dora.

I still like Faye though - but alcoholism is not the only problem she has to deal with.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 02 Apr 2015, 13:12

Um, wow. It was a joke. No need to take everything so damn literally.

Welcome to the internet, where people can't read your tone! I also saw the way you started off and thought 'Oh, for fuck's sake.'

Because most people who start off like that think their opinion is more than that, that it's the truth and these other dumbasses just can't see it.

 As a part of the disagreeing group, you essentially seemed to be saying 'you don't get it, do ya, fuckface?'

Which is not conducive to an open discussion. Any time you want to set users into 'groups' and imagine them as 'other,' just... Don't mention it, because you're probably wrong.

Maybe not assume the worst of everyone, then? None of this would have been a thing if you had simply given me the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming I was trying to be a haughty asshole. I'm here to have fun; it's a comic. And yes, I become passionate when I have a "lightbulb" moment; it's not meant to alienate anyone or to make some other group feel like the "other". It's just my opinion.

Maybe you didn't notice, but I'm not the guy who made the comment you were referring to. I was just explaining how you were perceived.

Don't think you know what I'm thinking. That's what you did before, that's what you're doing now.

I'm glad you had a lightbulb moment, just frame it as it to you, not how you think it is to others.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 13:13
So, Jeph's gone on an archive binge (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/583718263324041216)! I wonder why? Will Marten or Faye be recalling some unpleasant past embarrassments?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Apr 2015, 13:21
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Teaofdeath, chaospersonified:
/me clears throat
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Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Apr 2015, 14:46
So, Jeph's gone on an archive binge (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/583718263324041216)! I wonder why? Will Marten or Faye be recalling some unpleasant past embarrassments?

He also posted this cat (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/583699419956125696) again. Which isn't related to the comic, but AHHH GET IT AWAY!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 02 Apr 2015, 14:50
I disagree with you here. Shitting in the sink, punching holes in the wall, and knocking out windows are all things that you should take responsibility for if it’s your guest that did those things. But “being an obnoxious ass”? Claire isn’t being an obnoxious ass. She went too far, and turned joshing into something that was too close to the bone, but that’s a lesson she has to learn, and here might be her place to learn it. Faye could stand to learn that lesson as well. I also don’t agree with your take on Marten here. I was actually pleased that he didn’t overreact, or jump to the defense of either Claire or Faye. This is a very complicated situation, and it’s probably best that Faye and Claire figure out how to understand each other in their own time.

Pushing well inside Faye's personal space, before breaking into her "Senpai noticed me" dance was obnoxious to say the least, and even Jeph said Claire was acting like a jerk when the dick sculpture was brought up. So when i say ass, i'm just saying the same thing, in a less polite, more blunt way. When taken in combination, she was being an obnoxious ass.

Thinking back on it, one of the problems i have with Claire (other than the vomit inducing sweetness of the Martin/Claire dates) is that she acts so very immature. The dancing, and not understanding personal space is the kind of thing i'd expect form someone who's at the end of middle school, or maybe in their freshman year of high school. Someone brought up a comparison between Claire, and her brother, and the characters form Gravity Falls; the thing is, those characters are what, 10 years old? By the time most siblings reach their mid teens they don't act like that anymore. I swear it's like Claire's social development stalled 2 weeks after her 14th birthday, and has been sitting there ever sense.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 02 Apr 2015, 14:53
So, Jeph's gone on an archive binge (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/583718263324041216)! I wonder why? Will Marten or Faye be recalling some unpleasant past embarrassments?

He also posted this cat (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/583699419956125696) again. Which isn't related to the comic, but AHHH GET IT AWAY!

I love Spynx cats. Love them. But they are expensive. And absolute sweethearts. Petting them is a true joy.

Faye should get one. I think it would help her be a better person.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 14:58
Am I the only person who doesn't find that cat creepy? It's just a cat, right?

*does a dance*
I like sphinx cats
I like all cats
I like cats that boogie, boogie,

I like dancing cats
I like singing cats
I like cats that live with me, with me,

I like all cats
I like all cats
I like cats that are named cat...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Apr 2015, 15:06
It's just a cat, right?

That's what it wants you to think.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SeaWoodStage on 02 Apr 2015, 15:13
Oh man, please tell me it's not...Randy?

And please tell me Randy isn't just covering for...the shame orb, because I don't think I could deal with that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 17:41
Understandable though Faye's actions may be, I think Valkygrrl is right about them.

I won't let it go to my head. Broken clock right twice a day and all that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Apr 2015, 17:42
I won't let it go to my head. Broken clock right twice a day and all that.

Once, if it's 24 hour type.

But if you're a broken digital clock, well...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 17:52
I won't let it go to my head. Broken clock right twice a day and all that.

So...you don't want this tiara back?  Okay, I'll put it back on the shelf for later.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tangerinewarrior on 02 Apr 2015, 18:06
It's possible but all I remember is Marten telling Tai to stop making passes at Hannelore, and Angus telling Faye not to verbally bite Marigold.
Yes, it was definitely Angus who told her to stop teasing Marigold.

Ahh! Okay. Thanks for setting me straight- I couldn't remember who told Faye to behave, and there was no way that I could have found it in the archives. 
Also, what happened to Angus? Has he gone to New York for good now? Less than 10 days (actually, I think it may be less than a week) in comic time has passed since we last heard about him- I would think some one would have told him by now what happened to Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 18:16
I won't let it go to my head. Broken clock right twice a day and all that.

So...you don't want this tiara back?  Okay, I'll put it back on the shelf for later.

Quote from: Liz_1
To be a king and wear a crown is a thing more glorious to them that see it than it is pleasant to them that bear it.

On the other hand.... Yes I shall accept the tiara.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 18:50
On the other hand.... Yes I shall accept the tiara.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8178750098_f89464af36_n.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 19:13
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140428090641/disney/images/7/7b/Smile-queen-elsa.jpg)

At this time we shall accept your oaths of fealty.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 02 Apr 2015, 19:14
WELP. Clinton had his date.  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: PopuluxeCowboy on 02 Apr 2015, 19:19
I was trying to find the strip where Dora keeps telling Faye to shut up leading up to the duct tape solution, but failed. :(
By an incredible coincidence, I just happened to have reread that strip today.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1654
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Apr 2015, 19:19
I can't wait to find out what happened. Is that an electrical outlet tattooed on his arm? And whose blood is that on his shirt?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 19:21
Is that blood? I think it looks like bits of food.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: PopuluxeCowboy on 02 Apr 2015, 19:26
A tattoo, a black eye, (I hope it's just) food all over his shirt, and abandoned by the side of the road. Sounds like an interesting date.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 02 Apr 2015, 19:31
I think the punch line is going to be that he hasn't even made it to Emily's apartment yet to pick her up.  :-D

Also he is now in Maine.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 02 Apr 2015, 19:34
Considering how Wil and Pen-Pens, as well as Steve and Cosette's first dates went, Clinton got off fairly easy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 02 Apr 2015, 19:34
I can't wait to find out what happened. Is that an electrical outlet tattooed on his arm? And whose blood is that on his shirt?

I'm not sure that is blood, the yellow in the same area makes me think of bile, so that could be some kind of food, or drink that came back up all over him. And yes the red inflammation does make me think that's a tattoo, but what i want to know is who gave him the black eye. I mean with that metal hand, even if he is scrawny he's got the equivalent of brass knuckles at the ready at all times. I've seen an 11 year old knock out someone a foot and a half taller, and twice his weight with with a pair of brass knuckles.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 02 Apr 2015, 19:35
I forsee a Simpsons chowder waiter situation with Clinton's appearance. Somehow it's all self-inflicted, I sense it in my gut.

I was trying to find the strip where Dora keeps telling Faye to shut up leading up to the duct tape solution, but failed. :(
By an incredible coincidence, I just happened to have reread that strip today.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1654

:D Thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 02 Apr 2015, 19:39
No, he's in Halifax.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: grez on 02 Apr 2015, 19:47
I didn't figure Clinton for the post-skinhead suspenders-and-docs type, but OK!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 19:52
I can't wait to find out what happened. Is that an electrical outlet tattooed on his arm? And whose blood is that on his shirt?

I'm not sure that is blood, the yellow in the same area makes me think of bile, so that could be some kind of food, or drink that came back up all over him. And yes the red inflammation does make me think that's a tattoo, but what i want to know is who gave him the black eye. I mean with that metal hand, even if he is scrawny he's got the equivalent of brass knuckles at the ready at all times. I've seen an 11 year old knock out someone a foot and a half taller, and twice his weight with with a pair of brass knuckles.

I was going to say Emily got frisky with a marker, but now that I notice the inflammation, yeah, my guess is tattoo.  Emily's shown enough interest in Mr. Robot Hand's robot hand, so maybe she started doodling with a marker, just to be cute, but the night escalated from there.  If it's a tattoo, I think it's kinda clever.

Still, those boots, the suspenders...is it just me, or is Clinton a young punk?

Edit: whoops, grez beat me to it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: grez on 02 Apr 2015, 19:53
Maybe Claire helped him get cleaned up for his date... that would've been a priceless sequence for sure.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 02 Apr 2015, 20:07
I don't think that's a tattoo Clinton has on his arm, but a burn. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 02 Apr 2015, 20:20
Well, if it is a tattoo, it'd support the theory that that's vomit on his shirt (as I imagine he'd have to be pretty drunk to willingly get one, especially one of a light socket).
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 02 Apr 2015, 20:26
Dang
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 02 Apr 2015, 20:29
I don't think that's a tattoo Clinton has on his arm, but a burn.

Maybe if it where some kind of branding, like if the image where applied with a soldering iron, but if you're thinking some kind of electrical burn due to short with a wall socket, all the skin in the area would be slogging off in one big sheet

Well, if it is a tattoo, it'd support the theory that that's vomit on his shirt (as I imagine he'd have to be pretty drunk to willingly get one, especially one of a light socket).

And or pain induced shock. either one could cause him to vomit.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 Apr 2015, 20:29
Dang

Is that a Daaaaaaang dang or just a dang dang?  Because, stains and black eye aside, I think that's a pretty good look for Clinton.

Daaaaaaang
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 02 Apr 2015, 20:30
Clinton's diary. April 2nd, somewhere between 2004 and 2015.

First date went better than usual!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 02 Apr 2015, 20:32
Clinton's diary. April 2nd, somewhere between 2004 and 2015.

First date went better than usua expected!

You're assuming he's had a date before, unless I'm forgetting a strip  :-D
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 02 Apr 2015, 20:33
I don't think that's a tattoo Clinton has on his arm, but a burn.

That was my take, too.

An electrical burn, vomit, a black eye, and I'm pretty sure those aren't his boots (honestly, who rolls up their pants to wear their own boots? Nobody, they buy pants that fit over them)

Warning - while you were typing 134438 new replies have been posted. You may wish to type faster, you make a slow loris look like Sonic the Hedgehog.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Apr 2015, 20:34
Remember this comic? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2857) The title was "Faceplant At The Finish." Could have been foreshadowing.

I'm thinking from the general disheveled look and the black eye that that's dirt from the ground on his shirt. Did he get pushed out of a vehicle? Dragged somewhere? Got mistaken for an android and someone tried to plug him in? The government decided tonight was the night to arrest Emily for the spy satellite fiasco, and Clinton got in the way? Emily decided to introduce Clinton to a family of muskrats?

Not a good night for the Augustus family, it seems.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 02 Apr 2015, 20:44
An electrical burn, vomit, a black eye, and I'm pretty sure those aren't his boots (honestly, who rolls up their pants to wear their own boots? Nobody, they buy pants that fit over them)

I went looking for a previous image of Clinton's footwear, and found this: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2425

I think those are his usual shoes. No idea why his pants are rolled up.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 02 Apr 2015, 20:44
Eh, leaning towards tattoo. The outline would be red, imo, not black. FYI, don't Google electrical burn. That shit looks NASTY.

That aside, the red irritation around what I take to be the black outline looks strikingly like the kind that fresh tattoos have. Exhibit A:

(http://www.allaboutbecca.com/aab/becca/tattoo/3rd/justfinished.jpg)

And since Jeph has a -lot- of experience with those, he'd probably be pretty familiar with what it looks like.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Ravenswing on 02 Apr 2015, 20:45
Jesus Christ, Clinton, what did you pull on gentle Emily to have her dump a pizza on your chest and slug you one?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 02 Apr 2015, 20:56
Also, doesn't it look like the side of Clinton's head has been razor cut close? He had short hair before, but tops and side were the same length. Here it looks like the top is the same, but the side was cut close.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 02 Apr 2015, 20:59
Faux-hawk?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 02 Apr 2015, 21:01
Well it would go with the wanna be punk look...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 02 Apr 2015, 22:38
Am I the only one sensing the double standard around tonight's strip?  Like, if it had been Claire sitting there all wounded and messed up, the forums would be an inferno of outrage, but since it's Clinton, it's apparently A-OK comedy gold?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Apr 2015, 22:44
Monday's Comic


Claire:  "Soooooooo...... How did the date go?"
Emily:   "It was FUN!!" (Big grin on face)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 02 Apr 2015, 22:45
We don't know how any of this happened to him. Depending on how he came to be in this state, it's either (yes) funny as can be, or absolutely horrifying.

Though I think the primary reaction here is surprise.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 02 Apr 2015, 22:47
Hmmmm

I wonder if Emily has climbed the Flagpole.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 02 Apr 2015, 22:54
We don't know how any of this happened to him. Depending on how he came to be in this state, it's either (yes) funny as can be, or absolutely horrifying.

Though I think the primary reaction here is surprise.

C'mon, man, the primary reaction in a WCDT is complex, multi-layered in-depth analysis.

The initial reaction here is surprise ... for about 0.64 seconds.  To an android (hand), sir, that is an eternity.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 02 Apr 2015, 23:04
Well --- I got my wish.
(I wonder how Momo's new room turned out?)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: improvnerd on 02 Apr 2015, 23:20
I'm thinking Emily invited him to a punk club, and took him out shopping beforehand so he'd fit in.

New clothes,
New haircut,
Tattoo,
Puke and black eye from the mosh pit.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 02 Apr 2015, 23:34
Okay, so let's do a checklist:
Well, if nothing else, Marten has finally lost his record for the most disastrous first date in the QC-verse. Clinton is tough and will probably bounce back. It's Emily that I'm worried about! If she had a role in this, she might be heartbroken!

Why did cookies act as a reminder? Well, maybe Clinton brought some as a gift for Emily, little knowing how she reacts to concentrated sugar!

Regarding Claire and Faye, I find it funny that their argument was clearly a much bigger thing to us than it was to Jeph! That said, it is in character for Marten to suggest patience and a 'slow and steady' strategy. I would advise against bribes (even delicious cookies) but, yeah, Faye will doubtlessly soon be her usual tolerable self. It's just that sad!Claire is so pitiful-looking!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 02 Apr 2015, 23:39
Er... Marten's had a disastrous first date? As was mentioned before, there was Wil and Penelope's and Steve and Cosette's that were pretty bad, but I don't recall any real craziness with Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Sorflakne on 02 Apr 2015, 23:43
Well.  Monday's comic will be interesting.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 Apr 2015, 23:54

Why did cookies act as a reminder? Well, maybe Clinton brought some as a gift for Emily, little knowing how she reacts to concentrated sugar!


Oh my. That makes so much sense. Let's use "like Emily on a sugar high" as a simile from now on.

The Marten first date disaster refers to his very first date with anyone, in high school if memory serves. He mentioned it while Hannelore was being awkward with Winslow. Combustion was involved.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: vforvancouver on 02 Apr 2015, 23:58
Tattoo. Why everybody (okay, not everybody, but quite a few) insist that Clinton got a tattoo?

That's a burn. An electrical burn. Like this one:

(click to show/hide)

That shit hurts like hell. Been there, done that. At least my mutant powers allowed my skin to heal nicely.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 03 Apr 2015, 00:14
Again, I think the outline'd be red, not black. It's very clearly black outlines. And I still say that's inflammation from being a fresh tattoo.

Plus... how in the hell would he get a burn -there-, of all places? Unless that's a hanging socket or at least waist-high, you'd have to assume a pretty awkward position to get it there.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Apr 2015, 00:16
The Marten first date disaster refers to his very first date with anyone, in high school if memory serves. He mentioned it while Hannelore was being awkward with Winslow. Combustion was involved.

If Marten's later comments were truthful and referred to the same first date, it also included his date vomiting on him, headbutting him in the junk and suddenly loudly invoking Hitler whilst in a public place. So, yeah, Marten has a reason to be unsure around women.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 03 Apr 2015, 00:18
Wasn't that just Faye?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Truec on 03 Apr 2015, 00:33
I still half suspect that panel 4 is just Claire's assumption of what she's going to hear when she asks him how the date went.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 03 Apr 2015, 00:57
My initial reaction was not "Emily weirdness", but "the loser got himself mugged before he even got there".
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: vforvancouver on 03 Apr 2015, 01:02
Believe me, that's a burn. I got one of those while trying to install a wall oven, but mine was in my left arm. I'd rather have a broken arm than another electrical burn. As to why is it black, I don't know; my scar turned white on red skin and the worst parts turned black and deep red. Why would you get a tattoo of an electrical socket? How don't we know the black eye isn't a tattoo either? I strongly believe the date went very, very wrong at some point and turned out to be a painful Yakkety Sax moment. Clinton got puked, wet, hit, burnt, poked, and more, not exactly in that order. Also, that haircut wasn't voluntary either, and I presume he has a twisted ankle and needs a drink.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 03 Apr 2015, 01:14
There's a -ton- of stories out there about getting bad tattoos while drunk. No, we don't know that he even got drunk, but it's can't be truly ruled out, either.

PLOT TWIST: Clinton's hand went rogue and did the tattoo itself.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jacoposki on 03 Apr 2015, 01:15
Are we even sure it's something new and superimposed, be it tattoo or burn, and not simply part of the electric system of his robot-hand? Have we seen Clinton's arm before?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: zmeiat_joro on 03 Apr 2015, 02:48
Dudes, it's a tatoo. Also vomit and a punk hairdo, the suspenders and the boots, the black eye -- mosh pit.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Apr 2015, 03:13
Are we even sure it's something new and superimposed, be it tattoo or burn, and not simply part of the electric system of his robot-hand? Have we seen Clinton's arm before?

I think so, at the lake party.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Cpt. Slowloader on 03 Apr 2015, 04:11
At this time we shall accept your oaths of fealty.

I, for one, welcome our new huggable overlord.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jacoposki on 03 Apr 2015, 05:10
Are we even sure it's something new and superimposed, be it tattoo or burn, and not simply part of the electric system of his robot-hand? Have we seen Clinton's arm before?

I think so, at the lake party.

There are three strips with Clinton's arm exposed at the lake party, but in none of them you can see that part of his arm.

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2299
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2305
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2327
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 03 Apr 2015, 06:27
Tattoo. Why everybody (okay, not everybody, but quite a few) insist that Clinton got a tattoo?

That's a burn. An electrical burn. Like this one:

(click to show/hide)

That shit hurts like hell. Been there, done that. At least my mutant powers allowed my skin to heal nicely.

If he'd taken an electrical shock strong enough to burn him in that location, the hand (or at least the interface where the hand plugs into his wrist stump) would be fried, yet he's using it to take a call. The evidence points to a tattoo.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Apr 2015, 06:43
People are so divided over whether it's a burn, a tattoo, or part of his prosthetic... How about we wait and find out for sure?

I don't know why everyone's suddenly sure Clinton got drunk enough to tattoo an electrical socket to his arm; he looks fucked up in the strip, but not like, in the drunk way. I have a feeling Emily got hold of a marker at some point, and  I can only assume the burning happened afterwards.

Jeph had best do some 'splaining. If he doesn't... Well, to be honest, I'll probably just laugh even harder, but IT WILL BE AN UPSET LAUGH
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 03 Apr 2015, 07:23
I have a feeling Emily got hold of a marker at some point, and  Ican only assume the burning happened afterwards.

Maybe it's a reaction to the marker ink.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: MooskiNet on 03 Apr 2015, 08:35
Sorta showing my age here, but Clinton looks almost exactly like he had a first date with someone who's allergic to alcohol:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 03 Apr 2015, 08:54
'splaining. If he doesn't... Well, to be honest, I'll probably just laugh even harder

So guess what he'll do!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Apr 2015, 09:07
'splaining. If he doesn't... Well, to be honest, I'll probably just laugh even harder

So guess what he'll do!

IT WILL BE AN ANGRY LAUGHTER
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: swapna on 03 Apr 2015, 09:11
Am I the only one sensing the double standard around tonight's strip?  Like, if it had been Claire sitting there all wounded and messed up, the forums would be an inferno of outrage, but since it's Clinton, it's apparently A-OK comedy gold?

Yup, comedy gold! Nah, I rolled my eyes too. I don't really like Clinton, but hurting him is usually played for laughs. It's similar with Pintsize. But lean too close to Claire, and it's as good as beating her up, in terms of Forum outrage.

On the other note: I'm glad that this didn't descend into 'Marten breaks those two up/gives them a lecture/whatever'. Faye is living there, too, and while they may never become friends, they may have to figure out how to live next to each other on their own.

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 03 Apr 2015, 10:20
I'm curious what happened to his eye. Since his glasses are intact he either took them off and had an accident, or took them off to fight someone!?

Put me down on the tattoo side as well.

Aside from the injuries and puke, it's a good look for Clinton, he should lean into it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Apr 2015, 11:10

Yup, comedy gold! Nah, I rolled my eyes too. I don't really like Clinton, but hurting him is usually played for laughs. It's similar with Pintsize. But lean too close to Claire, and it's as good as beating her up, in terms of Forum outrage.

I think the Clinton being tormented for being creepy, and thus "deserving" of whatever happens started before Claire was really much of a (if any) presence in the series.  She hadn't been introduced when he was acting all stalkerish towards Hanners, and also had to be on the receiving end of a good zap from Momo for getting too close.  Like Pintsize, he had pretty much established himself as a butt-monkey in his first several strips.  When Clinton and Claire were having their tiff in CoD, my first thought about her was "Ye gawds, there's another one".  Thankfully, she grew as a character, and hopefully so will he.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: KOK on 03 Apr 2015, 11:19
Are we even sure it's something new and superimposed, be it tattoo or burn, and not simply part of the electric system of his robot-hand? Have we seen Clinton's arm before?

That is a drawing. Not two sockets in his arm.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Apr 2015, 11:23
For that matter, I thought I read something that Jeph posted, where the original character design for Clinton was female, but Jeph ended up switching to a male character due to the number of female characters in QC.

And then he went back and reused the earlier female Clinton prototype as Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 03 Apr 2015, 12:12
Wonder if the black eye came from the prosthetic hand? It's semi-autonomous, and we don't know how it reacts to alcohol...
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 03 Apr 2015, 12:50
For that matter, I thought I read something that Jeph posted, where the original character design for Clinton was female, but Jeph ended up switching to a male character due to the number of female characters in QC.

And then he went back and reused the earlier female Clinton prototype as Claire.

Probably this picture from the wiki.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2n86i6r.jpg)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: anahata on 03 Apr 2015, 12:57
I still half suspect that panel 4 is just Claire's assumption of what she's going to hear when she asks him how the date went.

Jeph's comment at the bottom doesn't really support this, unless it's a cheap trick to lead us astray, but that isn't really his style.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: anahata on 03 Apr 2015, 13:03
Wonder if the black eye came from the prosthetic hand? It's semi-autonomous, and we don't know how it reacts to alcohol...

He must already know how it reacts to alcohol, or are you suggesting Clinton has chosen his first date with Emily as the time also to try alcohol for the first time?

Talk about living dangerously... but that would explain the tattoo, the vomit and the black eye.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 03 Apr 2015, 13:14
Wonder if the black eye came from the prosthetic hand? It's semi-autonomous, and we don't know how it reacts to alcohol...

He must already know how it reacts to alcohol, or are you suggesting Clinton has chosen his first date with Emily as the time also to try alcohol for the first time?

Talk about living dangerously... but that would explain the tattoo, the vomit and the black eye.

I repeat.

Why do people assume Clinton to be drunk. We have no evidence to support that except a non-sequitur
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 03 Apr 2015, 13:26
Also, doesn't it look like the side of Clinton's head has been razor cut close? He had short hair before, but tops and side were the same length. Here it looks like the top is the same, but the side was cut close.

He's been burned, got a black eye, his clothes were ruined and he's been dumped off on the side of the road somewhere. But the worse thing to happen to him tonight?

Someone stuck gum in his hair.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: swapna on 03 Apr 2015, 13:29

Yup, comedy gold! Nah, I rolled my eyes too. I don't really like Clinton, but hurting him is usually played for laughs. It's similar with Pintsize. But lean too close to Claire, and it's as good as beating her up, in terms of Forum outrage.

I think the Clinton being tormented for being creepy, and thus "deserving" of whatever happens started before Claire was really much of a (if any) presence in the series.  She hadn't been introduced when he was acting all stalkerish towards Hanners, and also had to be on the receiving end of a good zap from Momo for getting too close.  Like Pintsize, he had pretty much established himself as a butt-monkey in his first several strips.  When Clinton and Claire were having their tiff in CoD, my first thought about her was "Ye gawds, there's another one".  Thankfully, she grew as a character, and hopefully so will he.

Yeah, I get it - it's one of the reasons why I don't like Clinton. He's a creep, and he's patronising and he really, really doesn't know when to stop. The problem is the narrative - he 'deserves' to be beaten up/shocked/hurt because he's a creep and mean.  If the narrative were that it's normal and OK to beat people up because it's funny/ because they've been mean (which it was in the first 400-500 strips), then all right. If the world doesn't work like that and it's 'over the line' and 'mean' and 'physical intimidation' if Faye almost gets into Claire's personal space but it's still OK to beat up Clinton, then we have a case of double standards.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Apr 2015, 13:43
It was this post I was thinking of: http://jephjacques.com/post/4384135243/concept-sketch-of-clinton-the-anthropc-surveyor
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: perlhaqr on 03 Apr 2015, 14:17
Birdshot?  Maybe just rocksalt?  Yeesh.  Poor Clinton!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 03 Apr 2015, 14:20
Am I the only one sensing the double standard around tonight's strip?  Like, if it had been Claire sitting there all wounded and messed up, the forums would be an inferno of outrage, but since it's Clinton, it's apparently A-OK comedy gold?

in fairness, Clinton has at-best-poor at-worst-irritable social skills, no concept of personal space, no self awareness, jumps to an aggressive stance with no provokation and is generally kind of a tosser.

ok, yea that doesn't actually justify the double standard. but seriously, the sheer degree, quantity and nature of the misfortunes makes this comedy, not the person it's aimed at. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 03 Apr 2015, 14:23
to clarify, all of his injuries/distresses to his state of dress are near loony toons level of "no long term damage"

were he missing his robot hand, heavily bleeding or otherwise severely hurt, we'd care

as it is, this is like having just watched daffy duck get "duck seasoned" in the face. it's an asshole suffering.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: explicit on 03 Apr 2015, 14:48
Mmm, I think it's more of a character likability thing than a gender.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 03 Apr 2015, 14:50
Wonder if the black eye came from the prosthetic hand? It's semi-autonomous, and we don't know how it reacts to alcohol...

He must already know how it reacts to alcohol, or are you suggesting Clinton has chosen his first date with Emily as the time also to try alcohol for the first time?

Talk about living dangerously... but that would explain the tattoo, the vomit and the black eye.

I repeat.

Why do people assume Clinton to be drunk. We have no evidence to support that except a non-sequitur
I don't think anyone's outright said he's definitely drunk, but more so implied it's a distinct possibility. I know I, at least, was careful not to say it was definite, but was building a theory off of if he was drunk, rather than outright stating he was.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 03 Apr 2015, 15:00
It was this post I was thinking of: http://jephjacques.com/post/4384135243/concept-sketch-of-clinton-the-anthropc-surveyor

Girl Clinton, stop. You're out librarianing your sister.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 03 Apr 2015, 16:13
Monday's Strip: No mention will be ever made of what happened, and no one will every say anything when asked.

Emily will have mysteriously disappeared permanently from the strip, and no one will ask why.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 03 Apr 2015, 16:28
And we'll get a brief glimpse of Agent K walking away
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: tywren on 03 Apr 2015, 16:52
in fairness, Clinton has at-best-poor at-worst-irritable social skills, no concept of personal space, no self awareness, jumps to an aggressive stance with no provocation and is generally kind of a tosser.

Everything you've just said about Clinton, is just as applicable to Claire.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 03 Apr 2015, 16:56
And we'll get a brief glimpse of Agent K walking away

Nah, it'll be Agent P & Doctor D working together on a side gig.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 03 Apr 2015, 17:14
Monday's Strip: No mention will be ever made of what happened, and no one will every say anything when asked.

Emily will have mysteriously disappeared permanently from the strip, and no one will ask why.

Steve also vanishes, and Jeph begins writing a spy-themed spinoff comic starring him and Emily, using their street smarts and tech skills to hunt down and recapture an escaped rogue Vespavenger.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 03 Apr 2015, 17:27
I'm thinking from the general disheveled look and the black eye that that's dirt from the ground on his shirt. Did he get pushed out of a vehicle? Dragged somewhere? Got mistaken for an android...
A disturbing thought.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 03 Apr 2015, 17:34
I'm thinking from the general disheveled look and the black eye that that's dirt from the ground on his shirt. Did he get pushed out of a vehicle? Dragged somewhere? Got mistaken for an android...
A disturbing thought.

Especially if it's all three.  Anti-robot hate crime?  Shit, would Jeph go there?

Edit: Probably not.  It'll just turn out to be some wacky adventure.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 03 Apr 2015, 17:44
If the world doesn't work like that and it's 'over the line' and 'mean' and 'physical intimidation' if Faye almost gets into Claire's personal space but it's still OK to beat up Clinton, then we have a case of double standards.

Is someone saying that it's okay to beat up Clinton for saying something you don't like?
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 03 Apr 2015, 18:54
If the world doesn't work like that and it's 'over the line' and 'mean' and 'physical intimidation' if Faye almost gets into Claire's personal space but it's still OK to beat up Clinton, then we have a case of double standards.

Is someone saying that it's okay to beat up Clinton for saying something you don't like?

If an injured Clinton is played for laughs, then it's implicitly saying it's Ok to beat him up for whatever reason.

(Not sure it's being played for laughs, but the tone is a bit jokey.)
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Tova on 03 Apr 2015, 18:56
I admit, my reaction was 'oh shit', rather than 'ha ha ha'. And I usually appreciate the 'played for laughs' comics.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Natswash on 03 Apr 2015, 19:49
Monday's Strip: No mention will be ever made of what happened, and no one will every say anything when asked.

Emily will have mysteriously disappeared permanently from the strip, and no one will ask why.

Steve also vanishes, and Jeph begins writing a spy-themed spinoff comic starring him and Emily, using their street smarts and tech skills to hunt down and recapture an escaped rogue Vespavenger.

Turns out the Vespavenger has defected and now works with Tortura in an independent espionage company, Steve of course is horrified and refuses to join and thus Emily must become the US's inside agent.

I dunno about anyone else but I'd read that so hard.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 03 Apr 2015, 20:43
nah, better twist, Clinton met VespAvenger. He came off the worse in this encounter, but once he gets his evil lab/lair set up they can battle on even terms! Or team up to fight PizzaGirl!

or EVEN BETTER TWIST

CLINTON IS VESPAVENGER!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 03 Apr 2015, 23:32
My guess? There is little or no alcohol involved. All it was is Emily + sugar + innocent enthusiasm. The girl is like a tornado when she's excited. Clinton was just dragged along for the ride and what a ride it was! :-D

On Monday, a shame-faced Emily apologises and asks if Clinton still wants to date her. Clinton goes into a rant, outlining everything that happened to him because of her, Emily getting sadder and sadder as he does so. Then he concludes: "Yet, despite that, you want to know if I'll still date you?" Emily nods. "Well, actually, it was also the most fun I've had in a night! So, yes!"

Emily jumps, clapping, shouts 'YAY!' and then they kiss.

Final panel on Friday is Clinton's social media homepage. A status update reads "Clinton Augustus is in a relationship with Emily Azuma". We all know that the ride has just begun!
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: KOK on 04 Apr 2015, 01:27
If the world doesn't work like that and it's 'over the line' and 'mean' and 'physical intimidation' if Faye almost gets into Claire's personal space but it's still OK to beat up Clinton, then we have a case of double standards.

Is someone saying that it's okay to beat up Clinton for saying something you don't like?

If an injured Clinton is played for laughs, then it's implicitly saying it's Ok to beat him up for whatever reason.

(Not sure it's being played for laughs, but the tone is a bit jokey.)

Injured Cosette was played for laughs. I did not get the idea that it was OK to beat her up. In other words, we don't know what caused Clinton's injury.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 04 Apr 2015, 12:16
Yeah - I was thinking a couple pages ago that while this comic might not be funny with Claire, picture it with Emily and it becomes comedy gold.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 04 Apr 2015, 12:20
Final panel on Friday is Clinton's social media homepage. A status update reads "Clinton Augustus is in a relationship with Emily Azuma".

Extra bonus panel: Marten and Claire reading the above and staring at each other with horrified expressions that say "My God, what have we done?"

Extra extra bonus panel: NOW ENDS THE AGE OF MAN
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 04 Apr 2015, 13:25
I just realised why cookies reminded Claire of Clinton's date; they were baking cookies and the mixer exploded, covering him in dough, which is also why Clinton has a black eye, on account of hitting his head on the counter when he fell over.
And the reason he looks like he's just been dumped outside on the grass is because that's exactly what happened and about the least they could expect from sneaking into the secret bakery for cookie-related shenanigans.
No idea why he thought the tattoo of a power socket would impress Emily though… 
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Natswash on 04 Apr 2015, 19:22
I don't think it's actually a tattoo, I pictured Emily drawing it on in ball point pen
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 04 Apr 2015, 19:23
Ball point pens don't generally work that well on skin.  A Sharpie would make more sense, since the drawing part would be easier, and it's more likely to trigger a mild allergic reaction which would cause the redness.  A tattoo still seems more likely, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Apr 2015, 19:45
A tattoo still seems more likely, though.

Why? Even if we assume drunk, which I maintain is a stretch, tattoo parlors OFTEN have rules against allowing drunk clients getting tattoos. As in, drunk Clinton would be sent aay because drunk.

Sharpie seems more likely, so far as I can see.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Schwungrad on 04 Apr 2015, 19:59
Perhaps it was a self-administered branding.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 04 Apr 2015, 19:59
Sharpie, because Emily was being playful, THEN tattoo, because Clinton was trying to impress her.

But he has a low tolerance for pain, so he threw up and passed out, face-first, into a table.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 04 Apr 2015, 20:31
A tattoo still seems more likely, though.

Why? Even if we assume drunk, which I maintain is a stretch, tattoo parlors OFTEN have rules against allowing drunk clients getting tattoos. As in, drunk Clinton would be sent aay because drunk.

Sharpie seems more likely, so far as I can see.

There is a strip, whoch I can't find, where the dialogue went something like this

"All the tattoo places in this town have signs 'We will not tattoo you if you are drunk'"

"But they will allow you to book a tattoo"

"And then you go through with it to avoid losing your deposit."

So Clinton can't be both drunk and tattooed. That still leaves lots of possibilities, though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 04 Apr 2015, 21:20
A respectable place won't tattoo him, but Emily knows this guy who knows a guy with a homemade tattoo gun and has a 'parlor' in his basement. After being being called chicken by Emily, Clinton goes through with it out of bravado, upchucking on himself during the application of said tattoo. :-P

Or, you know, something more logical.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 04 Apr 2015, 21:23
Something logical involving Emily? That's impossible.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Apr 2015, 21:55
Hmm. Black eye could be something stupid, like Clinton waking into a door. It seems like that could be a red herring Jeph tossed this way to mess with our expectations.

Sharpie + Emily + cookies seems most likely, and I feel like it would lead to Emily SNIFFING the Sharpie, which, I've been told could lead to vomiting. The cookies come back into play when they're suddenly decorating Clinton's shirt.

Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 04 Apr 2015, 21:57
Or perhaps Clinton tried to SURPRISE Emily, who kicks his ass because who couldn't*. Everything else still applies.

*Don't try to kick Clinton's ass. He must sleep; his hand has no such needs.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Natswash on 04 Apr 2015, 22:21
Something logical involving Emily? That's impossible.

Her actions usually have their own logic, strange and obscure, but it exists.
Now weird and unexpected I'll go with
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: improvnerd on 05 Apr 2015, 01:01
> If an injured Clinton is played for laughs, then it's implicitly saying it's Ok to beat him up for whatever reason.

Not if the injury is both self-inflicted and extremely minor.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 05 Apr 2015, 06:56
There is a strip, whoch I can't find, where the dialogue went something like this
It was piercings: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2792
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Elder Sign on 05 Apr 2015, 07:10
> If an injured Clinton is played for laughs, then it's implicitly saying it's Ok to beat him up for whatever reason.

Not if the injury is both self-inflicted and extremely minor.

Minor, sure, most of them are superficial and won't require another robot limb, for instance -- but from the level of frustration/anger about him, I'm going to have to say most if not all were definitely not self-inflicted.  Unless he's a masochist, which is entirely possible.

To reiterate/expand on my original point: in Thursday's comic, Faye threatens the mere possibility of violent action towards Claire, which likely won't come to pass if at all, and the WCDT is a seething ball of outrage.  In Friday's comic, Clinton clearly HAS been the recipient of serious injuries, and it's considered comedy and played for laughs.  That's what makes me see a double standard.

Yes, I know Clinton has been a creep on plenty of occasions, set up to be the resident designated butt monkey and hate sink (and Claire's personal punching bag) ever since his introduction to QC, but in no way do any of his so-far-known actions justify any positive/comedic portrayal of him getting beaten up.  I can hardly believe I'm actually defending him, but I guess he was just unlucky that he didn't get the "author's designated favourite" genes in his family.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 05 Apr 2015, 08:27
In Friday's comic, Clinton clearly HAS been the recipient of serious injuries,

I think this overstates it. He's had a bad night, but I don't think he'll need hospitalization.

One of the premises of slapstick comedy is that all injuries are superficial. No matter what happens to Wile E. Coyote, he shows up whole in the next scene.

I do think it's interesting that when the Augustus siblings have parallel bad nights, Claire's is an emotional trauma while Clinton's is a physical one.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Apr 2015, 08:52
A respectable place won't tattoo him, but Emily knows this guy who knows a guy with a homemade tattoo gun and has a 'parlor' in his basement.

Emily's father.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: explicit on 05 Apr 2015, 09:03
:O that's very illegal.

Well, very is an overstatement. It's slightly illegal.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 05 Apr 2015, 09:04
For more fun, Emily doesn't know that it's her father.
Title: Re: WCDT 2927-2931 (30 March to 3 April 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 05 Apr 2015, 10:32
Wonder if the black eye came from the prosthetic hand? It's semi-autonomous, and we don't know how it reacts to alcohol...

He must already know how it reacts to alcohol, or are you suggesting Clinton has chosen his first date with Emily as the time also to try alcohol for the first time?

Talk about living dangerously... but that would explain the tattoo, the vomit and the black eye.

I repeat.

Why do people assume Clinton to be drunk. We have no evidence to support that except a non-sequitur
I don't think anyone's outright said he's definitely drunk, but more so implied it's a distinct possibility. I know I, at least, was careful not to say it was definite, but was building a theory off of if he was drunk, rather than outright stating he was.

Ditto. More of an "If... then..." or an "If... then what if...".