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Title: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Apr 2015, 05:04
Thought I'd try something a bit different this week as I generally suck at reading Jeph's mind about what he's going to write about next. I thought, instead, it might be interesting to talk about who he's going to write about.

In terms of likelihood, my gut feeling is that this coming week's strips are going to be one of two things:
That said, I'd really like a set of comics centred on Momo (possibly with May as a sidekick). What is everyday life like for a working robot? Is there discrimination (even subconscious in nature)? Do they have friends beyond their 'special' humans? What do they do for fun when they're not 'on duty'? It could be an interesting little side-tale.

What do you all think? Who would you like to be the star of QC for a while?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27/4 to 1/5/20150
Post by: Lubricus on 26 Apr 2015, 05:05
I want to see Claire interacting with various member of the cast besides Marten. I want her to get to know Hannelore, most of all.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Apr 2015, 07:22
More specifically, without Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 26 Apr 2015, 09:34
More specifically, without Marten.

I'm imagining the panda making that demand.

I'm thinking coffee shop for some reason this week. That doesn't really narrow it down much for characters except 'probably not Faye'. Could be interns, Dora, could be Dale and Hanners adventures, overworked Cossette destroys the shop or a confused Marten wondering who that blonde lady serving him coffee is.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Endellion on 26 Apr 2015, 10:14
I want to see May causing some Mayhem :D
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 10:18
I'm thinking coffee shop for some reason this week. That doesn't really narrow it down much for characters except 'probably not Faye'. Could be interns, Dora, could be Dale and Hanners adventures, overworked Cossette destroys the shop or a confused Marten wondering who that blonde lady serving him coffee is.

Emily and Claire (WITHOUT Marten--I agree with TRVA) go out for coffee (and a banana smoothie) on their break and talk about their hopes and plans for the future following their internships.  They visit Coffee of Doom, and we get an update on the situation there, staying behind or following a different character after Emily and Claire leave.

I'd really like a set of comics centred on Momo (possibly with May as a sidekick). What is everyday life like for a working robot? Is there discrimination (even subconscious in nature)? Do they have friends beyond their 'special' humans? What do they do for fun when they're not 'on duty'? It could be an interesting little side-tale.

When's the last time we even saw Momo working at the library?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: osaka on 26 Apr 2015, 11:45
Momo's lost in the stacks, fending off bibliodons.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 12:06
Gabby could use the help. 

Seriously, poor Gabby.  Got lost in L-space weeks ago, and when somebody finally noticed she was missing Tai just shrugged and said "Meh, probably quit or something" and took another hit, and nobody thought to actually confirm the fact.  It's an unhappy lot, being the least-interesting person in a newly-introduced group of three.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 26 Apr 2015, 12:19
Sam  arrives at Coffee of Doom looking for Faye, finds out what happened, and freaks out at Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 12:36
Claire sees an opportunity to become Sam's new older sister, is quickly rebuffed because she isn't cool enough.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Apr 2015, 12:50
Claire sees an opportunity to become Sam's new older sister, is quickly rebuffed because she isn't cool enough.

Y'know how I see it? Sam decides that, as Marten is potentially her step-brother (and everyone knows girls are smarter than boys), she has to vet Claire's suitability as girlfriend for Marten by putting her through a sort of obstacle course/scavenger hunt/general knowledge quiz combo.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Apr 2015, 13:31
And just to throw us ALL for a loop

A week of Wil and Penelope.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 26 Apr 2015, 15:35
A week of Sara, Raven, Gabby, Nat and Angus sitting in a bus station.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 16:54
On their way to a group session at Dr. Corrine's office.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 26 Apr 2015, 18:39
Gabby could use the help. 

Seriously, poor Gabby.  Got lost in L-space weeks ago, and when somebody finally noticed she was missing Tai just shrugged and said "Meh, probably quit or something" and took another hit, and nobody thought to actually confirm the fact.  It's an unhappy lot, being the least-interesting person in a newly-introduced group of three.

I can't find the last strip she was in. Is my mind playing tricks on me, or was she wearing a red shirt? :)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Apr 2015, 18:39
On their way to a group session at Dr. Corrine's office.

Dr Corrine reveals that she has been a secret Allosaurus all along, and mauls and devours them all.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: WareWolf on 26 Apr 2015, 18:59
I picked Hannelore, because I just love Hannelore.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 19:15
I can't find the last strip she was in. Is my mind playing tricks on me, or was she wearing a red shirt? :)

I think her last appearance (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2328) was the morning after the lake house party.  I don't remember seeing her in any subsequent library episodes.

Hmm...maybe that ax did see some use. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: explicit on 26 Apr 2015, 19:39
The moment before the, "let me tell YOU something" perfect rebuttal. Bliss.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 26 Apr 2015, 19:42
Marten: Well you see Claire and I have been spending a lot of time together and um, how do you feel about being a grandmother?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Apr 2015, 19:45
WE ARE WORKING ON THAT TECHNOLOGY
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Apr 2015, 19:45
Marten: Well you see Claire and I have been spending a lot of time together and um, how do you feel about being a grandmother?

...also Faye nearly drank herself to death and ended up in the hospital but MOTHER I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND NOW.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Estron on 26 Apr 2015, 19:46
We didn't have that option in the poll.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 26 Apr 2015, 19:57
The good news is Veronica's hair lookin' good.

The bad news is either from implying she's more important or via giant hug, Claire is about to die.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 26 Apr 2015, 20:02
Huh, always figured Marten to have Rudiger as a middle name.
Although maybe his parents were Star Trek fans.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 26 Apr 2015, 20:02
Veronica already knows about Marten and Claire. Whatever he's going to tell her, it's not that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Meilu on 26 Apr 2015, 20:07
Huh, always figured Marten to have Rudiger as a middle name.
Although maybe his parents were Star Trek fans.

Or Roman Republic/Roman Empire fans. Maybe he's named after Tiberius Gracchus.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 26 Apr 2015, 20:18
If it's not Claire than it's - OH RIGHT FAYE HAPPENED THIS WEEK DIDN'T SHE?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 26 Apr 2015, 20:19
Veronica already knows about Marten and Claire. Whatever he's going to tell her, it's not that.

Don't mess with my headcanon, I have my heart set on that reasonable number of babies.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 26 Apr 2015, 20:21
Huh, always figured Marten to have Rudiger as a middle name.
Although maybe his parents were Star Trek fans.

I figured that it should be biggus dickus. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=764)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: neurocase on 26 Apr 2015, 20:21
IIRC, we've not actually learned Marten's actual middle name as Veronica states here that it only would be if Henry weren't such a stick in the mud. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1835 here that it only would be if Henry weren't such a stick in the mud.)

Also she's about to learn everything that's been going down with Faye. Remember, the past month for us has been the same week or so in QC-verse. She doesn't know about Faye yet. It's not common knowledge yet.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 26 Apr 2015, 20:33
Short hair looks nice on Ms. Reed.

Looking forward to the shenanigans. Mother-Son double date!?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 26 Apr 2015, 20:39
booo, she cut her hair! Only Claire and Penelope remain in the long hair club. :(
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 26 Apr 2015, 20:59
booo, she cut her hair! Only Claire and Penelope remain in the long hair club. :(

And at the rate the QC universe expands, her hair should grow back to her original length by 3012.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Apr 2015, 21:33
Tiberius makes a good middle name.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 26 Apr 2015, 21:38
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1835
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Wildroses on 26 Apr 2015, 21:43
Jeph really does hate long hair, doesn't he? Is it hard to draw or ink or something?

And yes, I too think Marten is savouring the moment as he knows full well that your best friend and housemate's near death experience is far more important than your mother. This is probably the first time in his life he is actually going to both shock his mother and make her admit she was wrong. My memory of the strips is not extensive but I don't think either thing has ever happened before.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Apr 2015, 21:44
Tiberius makes a good middle name.

Just call him Captain Reed  ;D



Veronisquee in 3 ...... 2 ...... 1
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 26 Apr 2015, 22:17
Veronica already knows about Marten and Claire. Whatever he's going to tell her, it's not that.

Jeph might have forgot.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Delator on 26 Apr 2015, 23:29
I know people who would never let their parent even see their grandchildren if they showed up at their WORK and pulled the "Full Name and Ear Tug".


Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Apr 2015, 23:34
Yeah, Jeph really does like women's necks, doesn't he? Every woman in the strip either has short hair or generally keeps it up in a high ponytail. Oddly enough, I'm the exact opposite - I love long hair on ladies. That said, from what my mother said, keeping long hair clean is practically a penance, so I can hardly blame those who want it short.

Onto the plot today (yeah, we get one of those too), I suspect that Marten's show-and-tell will be inter-strip. My guess is that tomorrow will be Veronica treating Claire as if she were already her daughter-in-law (including suggestions for makeovers and sartorial changes). Then she'll muse on what she can do for Faye (I'm sure she's known her share of alcoholics in her time). I'm sure that Veronica will be impressed by the amount of drama that he has fit into a week!

On the subject of my poll, I've got the feeling that we're going to catch up with Veronica (and possibly Jim) or Veronica is going to visit Faye and, in her normal manner, try to help her recovery. So Veronica will be the focus one way or the other.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Stoon on 27 Apr 2015, 00:04
Like the new hair.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Khazgar on 27 Apr 2015, 00:23
I love Marten's face in panel two. No matter how old you are, your parents can still make you feel like a little kid who just got caught lying about your homework...
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Welu on 27 Apr 2015, 00:36
Another long hair casualty. :(
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 00:52
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2ry1s0x.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Apr 2015, 01:28
OMG MARTENMOMMMMMMM
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Apr 2015, 01:30
Looking forward to the shenanigans. Mother-Son double date!?

I was thinking about this after my last post. The best way for Marten to see Casa Veronica would be for her to invite him over for dinner. As Claire is Marten's GF, the invitation is naturally extended to her too. This creates a mirror of the toe-curlingly embarrassing family dinner with Dora's parents. It's possible that Claire and Veronica will spend some time conspiring together. Veronica might even have some stuff from the catalogue (clothing mostly) that she thinks that Marten would like.

What about Marten? Well, I could see Jim being invited over as well, turning the arc into the aforementioned double-date as well as an awkward comedy of manners. Marten could have some interesting times talking to him. They have an ex in common and are both starting a new relationship after a previous one imploded in quite a traumatic fashion. They also have a woman that they care about in common and Marten could certainly be forgiving for giving Jim something resembling the shovel speech. It might be heart-warming if Marten concludes by telling Jim that he has no problems with the idea of someone filling the slot of "Dad-3".

It would be equally heart-warming if Veronica tells Claire that she hasn't really approved of most of Marten's girlfriends; they just were all too wild and crazy to keep him grounded. However, that has now changed.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 27 Apr 2015, 04:44
Remember, Veronica pre-approved (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379) Claire.

And count me in the group that doesn't care for Veronica's new hairstyle.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 27 Apr 2015, 05:20
I really like Marten's face in that last panel.

I also hope that the big news isn't just Claire, but also Faye!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Apr 2015, 05:40
And now, for the first time, it's Veronica's world that's going topsy turvy after a conversation with Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 06:31
Veronica already knows about Marten and Claire. Whatever he's going to tell her, it's not that.
Wait, she knows they're actually dating? I know she knows Claire and wants them to, but I don't recall her finding out her son had a girlfriend.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Apr 2015, 06:36
Veronica already knows about Marten and Claire. Whatever he's going to tell her, it's not that.

Wait, she knows they're actually dating? I know she knows Claire and wants them to, but I don't recall her finding out her son had a girlfriend.

It's not been explicitly said to her, no.

However, she caught Marten and Claire out walking hand-in-hand on the way to their first date. It's quite possible that she's rightly deduced that this is the case. That said, I doubt she knows that it's progressed to the point of intimacy and Claire casually coming home with Marten to spend a night and morning with him as if it was the most natural thing in the world.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Akima on 27 Apr 2015, 06:44
Gabby could use the help.
It's the humidity.

Another long hair casualty. :(
Veronica's new hair does nothing for her.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TieDyeKat on 27 Apr 2015, 06:55
Nope.  Veronica's about to go see Faye.  Supportive mom is supportive, especially to the adopted ones.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Apr 2015, 07:46
Nope.  Veronica's about to go see Faye.  Supportive mom is supportive, especially to the adopted ones.

As someone who voted for the 'let's see Faye' option, this.

As someone who likes consistancy... No, I don't see the relationship between Veronica and Faye even APPROACHING adopted mom status. They're fond of each other, but the only significant conversation I can remember was the 'If you hurt him, I will kill you' from their first meeting
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 27 Apr 2015, 08:01
However, she caught Marten and Claire out walking hand-in-hand on the way to their first date. It's quite possible that she's rightly deduced that this is the case. That said, I doubt she knows that it's progressed to the point of intimacy and Claire casually coming home with Marten to spend a night and morning with him as if it was the most natural thing in the world.

I can - just barely - conceive of Marten being willing to tell her that. I can't see him using it as a trump card in response to "Why haven't you come to see me?". The Faye situation seems much more likely to be the ace up his sleeve.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Interlude on 27 Apr 2015, 08:02
I'm sorry, but would it have been so terribly difficult for her to CALL Marten and invite him over properly? I mean, I know most kids don't need an invitation to come visit with the parents, but it is wildly inappropriate to come into his work acting like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 27 Apr 2015, 08:41
And just to throw us ALL for a loop

A week of Wil and Penelope.

I am TOTALLY down with that.  I miss Pennelope.  Although Hanners is my favorite woobie.

Woobie, woobie, woobie!

Wait...Marten's middle name is TIBERIUS???
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 27 Apr 2015, 08:43
It would be if Henry wasn't such a stick-in-the-mud.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 27 Apr 2015, 08:53
Another long hair casualty. :(
Veronica's new hair does nothing for her.

I kinda miss the gray streak in her hair, too.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Apr 2015, 09:01
Another long hair casualty. :(

Veronica's new hair does nothing for her.

I kinda miss the gray streak in her hair, too.

My guess? She cut it short so it would fit under a hairnet at the bakery more easily and dyed in the silver streak because that's one of the excusable little vanities that an adult in love sometimes commits.

[EDIT]
Looking at the strip again, I've just realised that the silver streak is still there. It's just that Jeph hasn't coloured it in and left it white. Combined with it being tucked behind her ear, it looks like a hairband.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 27 Apr 2015, 09:10
Another long hair casualty. :(

Veronica's new hair does nothing for her.

I kinda miss the gray streak in her hair, too.

My guess? She cut it short so it would fit under a hairnet at the bakery more easily and dyed in the silver streak because that's one of the excusable little vanities that an adult in love sometimes commits.

I think Jeph cut it short 'cause shorter hair's easier to draw. :) I agree with your second point, though I love when people (especially women) just go unapologetically gray.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 27 Apr 2015, 09:44
I preferred it long. And Emily cutting her beautiful Japanese hair was a real tragedy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 10:16
Her new hair's ok, I guess. Her old hair was ok, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Apr 2015, 10:35
Her new hair's ok, I guess. Her old hair was ok, I guess.

It's hair, I guess. And if she had no hair, that would be ok, too, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: DSL on 27 Apr 2015, 10:37
Her new hair's ok, I guess. Her old hair was ok, I guess.

It's hair, I guess. And if she had no hair, that would be ok, too, I guess.

And that's OK.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ankhtahr on 27 Apr 2015, 10:43
I don't know why, but I like short hair somehow. Pixie cuts look awesome on some people.

But that being said, people should have the hairstyle they want, and I have no strong feelings the one way or the other about Veronica's new hairdo.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 10:49
Her new hair's ok, I guess. Her old hair was ok, I guess.

It's hair, I guess. And if she had no hair, that would be ok, too, I guess.

And that's OK.
I guess :wow:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: stank sinatra on 27 Apr 2015, 12:01
lol, she shure is violently assaulting her adult son

Global Moderator Comment I'm hoping that's just a bit of humor for your first Post
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 12:36
I'm going to counter this neutrality by evaluating the casts hair.

Faye I couldn't imagine with long hair. Looks good, fits her and I've always liked short hair with glasses. Although...

Tai pulls off that look better. She's got the small and androgynous thing down.

Dora's current hair looks good, though it doesn't stand out too much and I hadn't really thought about it until I decide to judge everyone based on hair.

Marigold looks fine with hair down, cute with it in a pony tail and, though it's admittedly probably a fashion don't for a grown woman, super cute with pigtails.

Emily looks better with long hair, though short hair probably fits her better. Doesn't seem like the 'spend a hour on her hair' type. That's time that could be spent catching mice for your true love. For the sake of variety maybe he should have kept it long anyway though.

I don't know if Hanners messy hair fits her or contradicts the ocd, but I like it.

I like Veronica's new hair. Looks younger, though I don't know how much of that is the hair and how much is how she's being drawn at the moment.

Claire with hair shading has the best hair. Claire without shading still has the best hair. But not by as wide a margin!

The guys? Who cares about the guys? I guess Dale's hair is pretty cool. Now leave me alone!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Welu on 27 Apr 2015, 12:42
Dora with blonde hair growing out (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1335) is still my favourite Dora design.

Edit: Random brought me this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1330) where Dora has her long hair tied up and it's so squeeable!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 12:43
I disagree, Rghfrgl, I'd like to see Faye with long hair. Although even if she stops cutting it now, it'd be years in real time before we saw that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 27 Apr 2015, 14:51
Here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=503).  Faye with long hair.

I agree that the short hair suits Faye and Tai.  I hated Emily's haircut, admittedly part of that is projecting.  I would hate to wake up and find that I was drunk enough to have just cut off the hair I haven't had cut above my shoulders since seventh grade.

But the one that bugs me to this day is Sven.  Long-hair Sven, I liked a lot.  Short-hair Sven, I don't.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 27 Apr 2015, 16:56
As a person who has had both long and short hair, I think short hair is more maintenance. I mean, it depends on the person, but the idea that short hair is easier is not universally true.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 27 Apr 2015, 17:24
I have had long hair, oh, about 1992. It requires a little more maintenance than it did when it was short, but not significantly more. If it was a pain in the ass I'd have cut it short years ago.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 17:46
I'd started getting...I'm not sure if it quite qualifies as a buzzcut or not, but my hair clipped down to half a inch a few years ago and I really wish I'd started to earlier. I love that the answer to the question 'do I need to comb my hair?' is literally always 'no'. It's like I'm cheating.

Women, save the particularly bold, can't really use that cheat. I worked with one girl who, proportionantly, had hair longer than Emily's. Often tied in a braid since you had to tie it anyway. And I'd think her hair was beautiful. But I'd also think 'Does she ever get caught in doors?' or 'What if she's careless going to the bathroom?' If nothing else she had to deal with a random jerk tugging it like a 13 year old when he walked by. Fortunately I don't think I bothered her too much when I did that. Hopefully  :p
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Apr 2015, 18:22
It all depends on the level of "long". My sis had hair go down to her butt and she ended up extra mad with all the care she had to put on it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 19:10
Speaking of haircuts, I got one today!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 27 Apr 2015, 19:14
I'd started getting...I'm not sure if it quite qualifies as a buzzcut or not, but my hair clipped down to half a inch a few years ago and I really wish I'd started to earlier. I love that the answer to the question 'do I need to comb my hair?' is literally always 'no'. It's like I'm cheating.

Women, save the particularly bold, can't really use that cheat. I worked with one girl who, proportionantly, had hair longer than Emily's. Often tied in a braid since you had to tie it anyway. And I'd think her hair was beautiful. But I'd also think 'Does she ever get caught in doors?' or 'What if she's careless going to the bathroom?' If nothing else she had to deal with a random jerk tugging it like a 13 year old when he walked by. Fortunately I don't think I bothered her too much when I did that. Hopefully  :p

I regularly shave my hair, though I haven't been bald in a while.  I wouldn't stay I'm bold..just lazy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 27 Apr 2015, 19:25
Comic.  Martenmom is psychic! 
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 27 Apr 2015, 19:27
This is good. I enjoy annoyed Clairten much more than lovey Clairten. MORE FRICTION!

I also agree with Veronica. What is Faye up to?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ysth on 27 Apr 2015, 19:28
Psychic or pychic?  Is the "Pychic Readings" title a pun I'm not getting or a typo?

Update: it's "Psychic" in the archives list, so a typo.  Too bad, I'm always ready for a pun.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 19:31
She's the pie chick!

I love Claire's line :)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 27 Apr 2015, 19:46
Twitter oops!

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Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jmucchiello on 27 Apr 2015, 19:55
Self-involved much? That's so not-Marten. But here he is complaining that his mother did NOT involve herself in his love life. WTF.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 20:00
He had big news he shared with his mom, he's just disappointed she wasn't more excited is all.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 27 Apr 2015, 20:09
Wherein Veronica says what we've all been thinking...

On another note:

I'd started getting...I'm not sure if it quite qualifies as a buzzcut or not, but my hair clipped down to half a inch a few years ago and I really wish I'd started to earlier. I love that the answer to the question 'do I need to comb my hair?' is literally always 'no'. It's like I'm cheating.

Women, save the particularly bold, can't really use that cheat. I worked with one girl who, proportionantly, had hair longer than Emily's. Often tied in a braid since you had to tie it anyway. And I'd think her hair was beautiful. But I'd also think 'Does she ever get caught in doors?' or 'What if she's careless going to the bathroom?' If nothing else she had to deal with a random jerk tugging it like a 13 year old when he walked by. Fortunately I don't think I bothered her too much when I did that. Hopefully  :p

I regularly shave my hair, though I haven't been bald in a while.  I wouldn't stay I'm bold..just lazy.

I buzz mine in the winter and shave it in the summer. Low maintenance, plus the "pattern" of my balding is kinda odd. Can't just lose my damn hair like a normal person. :P
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 20:12
I get an all around buzz (using a buzzer but not THAT short) every four or five months and then just let it grow as it will until I feel like getting another one. I never comb or brush it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 20:15
In her mind, I'm sure she didn't just call it, she made it happen (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379)

Jemf Jecks @jephjacques  ·  49s 49 seconds ago
Haha I totally forgot Marten's mom ran into them while they were holding hands! TIME FOR A REWRITE

Speaking of calling it. Called it!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 27 Apr 2015, 20:16
the "pattern" of my balding is kinda odd. Can't just lose my damn hair like a normal person. :P

I have the same problem :-P



Also: 2 more cute Claire faces. :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 Apr 2015, 20:18
My sis had hair go down to her butt

Sounds like a pain in the ass.

Marten is standing up to his mom!

Will he be able to divert her attention into knitting an Alcohol Hat for Faye, made of a special fabric that repels alcohol cravings?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 27 Apr 2015, 20:21

Will he be able to divert her attention into knitting an Alcohol Hat for Faye, made of a special fabric that repels alcohol cravings?

You say alcohol hat and a beer helmet pops into my head. A yarn beer helmet, with yarn straws.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: JRDelirio on 27 Apr 2015, 20:44
He had big news he shared with his mom, he's just disappointed she wasn't more excited is all.

Well, sure, but since she had seen it coming all along it's not news to her and to her there are other more critical matters. So "that's nice, back to the important topic" is all he gets.  For once he thought he had something he could bring up that would give her pause, but no dice there.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 20:46
Well yeah, but he didn't know it wasn't news to her. Hardly fair to call him self involved for wanting her to be excited, since he thought she was just finding it out.

(Even if she saw them holding hands, it doesn't mean they were officially dating)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 27 Apr 2015, 20:46
As a person who has had both long and short hair, I think short hair is more maintenance. I mean, it depends on the person, but the idea that short hair is easier is not universally true.

Agreed. Anything between a pixie cut and ponytail-length hair is way more maintenance for me, especially since I have ridiculously thick hair and some curl to it that makes it prone to poofball status.

I'd started getting...I'm not sure if it quite qualifies as a buzzcut or not, but my hair clipped down to half a inch a few years ago and I really wish I'd started to earlier. I love that the answer to the question 'do I need to comb my hair?' is literally always 'no'. It's like I'm cheating.

Women, save the particularly bold, can't really use that cheat. I worked with one girl who, proportionantly, had hair longer than Emily's. Often tied in a braid since you had to tie it anyway. And I'd think her hair was beautiful. But I'd also think 'Does she ever get caught in doors?' or 'What if she's careless going to the bathroom?' If nothing else she had to deal with a random jerk tugging it like a 13 year old when he walked by. Fortunately I don't think I bothered her too much when I did that. Hopefully  :p
I'm so tempted to go back to my pixie cut, simply because not having to brush it was fucking awesome. And I save so much on hairdye that way!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 27 Apr 2015, 21:36
Twitter oops!

Jemf Jecks @jephjacques  ·  39s 39 seconds ago
always check your continuity, kids
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 Jemf Jecks @jephjacques  ·  49s 49 seconds ago
Haha I totally forgot Marten's mom ran into them while they were holding hands! TIME FOR A REWRITE

Darn, I thought the original dialogue was better.  Marten's line doesn't quite match his expression now, and Claire's "I enjoyed the surprise" (paraphrasing--how could I have forgotten it already?) was more playful.  Dang continuity.  Dang everything!

Edit: And DANG ME for posting so much yesterday I didn't even realized I hit my 666th post!  Dang it!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7710/17295175852_ff6cc631d7_n.jpg)

No, forget it, kids, it's too late now.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Apr 2015, 21:38
Momsensors activated


I wonder if Veronica will step in and help Faye



On second thoughts ..............
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 27 Apr 2015, 21:56
What was the original line, for those of us who didn't get to see it?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Apr 2015, 22:02
I don't remember the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of:

Veronica: I saw it coming from a mile away.
Marten: Shit, I thought it was a surprise.
Claire: I enjoyed the surprise.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 22:06
(https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11195534_997218100303451_135154563_n.jpg?oh=aafa9b7a00f05cc50f277056756a3730&oe=554201B9)

And ugh, the old version worked so much better. Especially Claire's line.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 27 Apr 2015, 22:18
And ugh, the old version worked so much better. Especially Claire's line.

I know!  Didn't even clash with continuity.  We should start a petition to convince Jeph to change it back.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 22:29
He didn't even know how right he'd be!

https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/592757427331805188

I'll agree probably could have just let this one slide though. Unless tomorrow you kinda redo it(In the first panel, not the punchline, since that'd be kinda cheating people out a comic). 'I saw it coming anyway back at the wedding', then repeat Claire and Marten's line. Wouldn't mind the conversation continuing from there. 'I figured you knew the moment you saw her in that gorgeous dress'.

Claire meanwhile, knew once she saw him in his boxers  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Quantum Glass on 27 Apr 2015, 22:30
In her mind, I'm sure she didn't just call it, she made it happen (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2379)

Jemf Jecks @jephjacques  ·  49s 49 seconds ago
Haha I totally forgot Marten's mom ran into them while they were holding hands! TIME FOR A REWRITE

Speaking of calling it. Called it!

Speaking of rewrites, I could have sworn that comic you linked to originally had Veronica talking about Marten and Claire producing cute children (Hence the title, "Yougenics.")
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2015, 22:37
It did, but he had a good reason for changing that one.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 27 Apr 2015, 22:39
I thought changing that one was unnecessary, but as neither the author or one of the potential people who might be offended that opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 27 Apr 2015, 22:46
I thought changing that one was unnecessary, but as neither the author or one of the potential people who might be offended that opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

You can just join my headcanon, those babies are cute and they have little shirts that say 'my grandmother spanks people.'
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: StellaVator on 27 Apr 2015, 23:03
I like the re-write much better. What is it about Claire's old line that people like so much? It's not particularly clever or humorous, just the same "cutesy" sitcom-y stuff that's been surrounding them.

The re-write is better because Marten's "Oh shit I forgot" is actually FUNNY because Jeph really did forget. And dedicated readers will know that going forward.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Indicible on 27 Apr 2015, 23:13
A dialog coud work both in:

Veronica: Hardly a surprise! I saw you two holding hands!
Marten: (don't change the new quote)
Claire: Well, that was an anjoyable surprise to me!

Oh, well, sometimes, you have those speeches perfect in your head and then reality ensues...
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Apr 2015, 23:39
FWIW, the original dialogue was still valid, even factoring in continuity. Give Veronica credit; she's observant enough that she could see as far back as the wedding Claire's crush and Marten's interest. Interestingly, whilst both versions of panel 4 verge on meta comments/jokes, the original suggests that Jeph was thinking about Claireten back when doing the wedding arc.

I do like Claire's body language in panel 2 - she is a little nervous and hopeful for Veronica's approval. Panel 4, oddly is a twin of panel 4 of strip 2940 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2940): comfortable intra-couple teasing. Finally, the placement of both of them's hands indicates that they are still deep in 'Honeymoon Mode'. :wink:

So, will Veronica want to help Faye? There is some indication that she may struggle with alcohol abuse herself, so she might be the strong older female mentor that she needs.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Sullivan on 28 Apr 2015, 00:28
booo, she cut her hair! Only Claire and Penelope remain in the long hair club. :(

If Claire's hair gets cut I'm quitting reading the comic. Fair warning.

No, I won't really. But I want Jeph to believe that a whole lot of people will.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Apr 2015, 01:54
Over on the Subreddit, one poster suggested that Marten is acting a bit self-centred in this strip and I do see where that's coming from. However, you have to see things from Marten's perspective. He must have spent days worrying about Faye and beating himself up for not realising just how overwhelmingly breaking up with Angus had hurt her. I think that he really doesn't want to spend too much time looking back on those dark hours listening to the ECG ticking off Faye's heartbeats; thinking about those minutes waiting for the EMTs to arrive and wondering what he'd do if Faye were to stop breathing before they arrived. No, he really doesn't want to think about those days and the times coming after. On the whole, he'd prefer to talk about the light and how wonderful being with Claire makes him feel.

Additionally, I do think that Marten is in a bit of denial about Faye. "You're alright now, right?" A part of him seriously doesn't want to confront just how close Faye came or the total paradigm shift she's going to have to execute for the sake of her health and sanity. I'm wondering what it will take to cure him of that?

I agree that Marten came across as unnecessarily callous here and I wouldn't have blamed Veronica if she'd reprimanded him for it. In some ways, I think that she did by waving off his 'in other news' as no news. What I'm saying is that Marten's feelings and the way he responded to them are understandable. What he did here is far from praiseworthy but it is completely and understandably human.

[edit]
Better wording in last paragraph
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 28 Apr 2015, 01:56
"Poor Faye"

I've come to the conclusion that I like Veronica. Even though she's about as different from me as possible. I'm more like Clairemom.

And of course to her, holding hands is far more intimate than merely bonking.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 28 Apr 2015, 02:20
And of course to her, holding hands is far more intimate than merely bonking.
...

???

I dont get it.

Why would she think holding hands is more intimate than sex ?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 28 Apr 2015, 02:35
Because it implies a much deeper spiritual/ emotional intimacy than sex. It is easier to imagine people having casual sex than it is to imagine people holding hands and not having some sort of deeper connection.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ASB84 on 28 Apr 2015, 05:29
I like the re-write much better. What is it about Claire's old line that people like so much? It's not particularly clever or humorous, just the same "cutesy" sitcom-y stuff that's been surrounding them.

The re-write is better because Marten's "Oh shit I forgot" is actually FUNNY because Jeph really did forget. And dedicated readers will know that going forward.

Me too. The meta aspect of Marten's re-written dialogue brought a smile to my face. It's a fun wink to us, the audience.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 28 Apr 2015, 05:47
Because it implies a much deeper spiritual/ emotional intimacy than sex. It is easier to imagine people having casual sex than it is to imagine people holding hands and not having some sort of deeper connection.
:?

Okay, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

I would have rated having sex with somebody WAY more intimate than holding hands. *shrugs*
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TieDyeKat on 28 Apr 2015, 05:52
I was not wrong about Veronica's interest in Faye.  Very curious if she goes to her... like she did when she sought out Dora.  Veronica may not be playing Faye's mom, but she does care about her son and about the people who keep her son sane. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Apr 2015, 05:56
Every time I read today's strip, I love Claire's body language in panel 4 all the more. She's leaning into Marten obviously with her right hand on his hip/butt and has her other hand on his chest as if she's holding him back; it all shows she's completely comfortable with him. Her face is saying: "I have to apologise for my boyfriend; he's an absent-minded goof but I kind of prefer it that way."

FWIW, I think that Marten was walking on clouds and, possibly mentally reciting the mantra "Don't screw up! Don't screw up!" during the first date. I doubt he remembers any interaction during that other than with Claire.

Ah! Young love! [/bittersingleton]
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Apr 2015, 06:32
Her new hair's ok, I guess. Her old hair was ok, I guess.

It's hair, I guess. And if she had no hair, that would be ok, too, I guess.

And that's OK.

SHOTANDAGOAL!

DSL scoring his Umpteenth goal of the season, assisted by Cesium133 and Method of MADNESS!

Time of goal 12:37.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TinPenguin on 28 Apr 2015, 06:45
Because it implies a much deeper spiritual/ emotional intimacy than sex. It is easier to imagine people having casual sex than it is to imagine people holding hands and not having some sort of deeper connection.
:?

Okay, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

I would have rated having sex with somebody WAY more intimate than holding hands. *shrugs*

When sex is (in some form) your profession, it changes your perception of intimacy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 28 Apr 2015, 07:13
I thought changing that one was unnecessary, but as neither the author or one of the potential people who might be offended that opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

You can just join my headcanon, those babies are cute and they have little shirts that say 'my grandmother spanks people.'

With fine print underneath that says "(except me)"
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: aliensporebomb on 28 Apr 2015, 07:59
Well, I can't predict what will happen in this weeks' strips but I pretty much can predict what won't happen:  unicorn wars, all the characters show up bald and hanners becomes queen of the universe.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Apr 2015, 08:01
Because it implies a much deeper spiritual/ emotional intimacy than sex. It is easier to imagine people having casual sex than it is to imagine people holding hands and not having some sort of deeper connection.
:?

Okay, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

I would have rated having sex with somebody WAY more intimate than holding hands. *shrugs*

You don't hold hands with a one night stand.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 28 Apr 2015, 11:49
Well, I can't predict what will happen in this weeks' strips but I pretty much can predict what won't happen:  unicorn wars, all the characters show up bald and hanners becomes queen of the universe.
Well of course not. You can't suddenly become what you already are….
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: stank sinatra on 28 Apr 2015, 14:34
lol, she shure is violently assaulting her adult son

Coming back to this, as gross as it is for an adult woman to violently assault her adult offspring, the fact that she's a professional dominatrix adds in all kinds of disgusting additional layers of both incestuousness and professional misconduct.

Like, when you get paid to get off on hurting people, you really especially shouldn't be dealing with situations by inflicting pain on your children without their consent.

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Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Apr 2015, 15:11
Yeahhhh that line of discussion stops now please.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 28 Apr 2015, 15:13
In any case, I can't see why you think her profession factors into this at all.  You may object to her "violently assaulting" her son (if that's how you characterise tweaking his ear in a familiar manner), but that would be the same judgement whatever her job might be.

The rest of your speculation has nothing to do with anything that has ever been shown in this comic, so it is inappropriate to bring it up.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 28 Apr 2015, 16:56
We should start a petition to convince Jeph to change it back.

Count me for signing that one. The original dialogue was deft and implied some gentle snark. The new script is too literal, and lands with a thud. Since Veronica could have been referring to seeing it coming as far back as the wedding, and since there was no explicit acknowledgment of relationship status in the Mom-selfies strip, it wasn't even a continuity error. CHANGE IT BACK.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 28 Apr 2015, 17:32
So say we all.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Apr 2015, 18:30
Eh, both exist and we can decide which one we think of as canon.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: osaka on 28 Apr 2015, 19:13
COMIC

I assume Veronica was painted like one of their French girls indeed. I feel as if the model whale penis can be a hindrance to coffee table usage tho.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: DrBear on 28 Apr 2015, 19:14
And Wednesday's strip arrives, with nudity and animal genitalia.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 28 Apr 2015, 19:15
My uh... gee.

That happened.

The words 'whale penis' are going to be stuck in my head for weeks.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 28 Apr 2015, 19:22
(https://i.imgur.com/mCpx1My.png)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Apr 2015, 19:28
Other than that, it's a pretty nice place.

Must be a newer building with those vertical windows.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 28 Apr 2015, 19:33
Is it just me, or is the perspective in panel 3 off?

Claire's going to be leaning quite far forward to touch the model whale penis based on the room's scale in panel 1, yet her abdomen is shown as significantly wider than her thorax - more so than when her full figure is normally drawn, even, when it should be the opposite, as she's leaning into the camera.

Also, having a nude portrait of oneself in one's living room is just strange, Veronica.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 28 Apr 2015, 19:40
COMIC

I assume Veronica was painted like one of their French girls indeed. I feel as if the model whale penis can be a hindrance to coffee table usage tho.

I suppose that all depends on how you use your coffee table.

Is it just me, or is the perspective in panel 3 off?

Claire's going to be leaning quite far forward to touch the model whale penis based on the room's scale in panel 1, yet her abdomen is shown as significantly wider than her thorax - more so than when her full figure is normally drawn, even, when it should be the opposite, as she's leaning into the camera.


The perspective would be correct-ish if she were sitting straight up and reaching an arm out. But she'd have to lean forward unless they moved the coffee table back before sitting down.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 28 Apr 2015, 19:43
Also, having a nude portrait of oneself in one's living room is just strange, Veronica.

You're supposed to hang it over your bed, like Steve does.

...Has Veronica ever met Steve?  Hmm...
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: mustang6172 on 28 Apr 2015, 19:46
The whale penis is smaller than I expected.   :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Apr 2015, 19:49
The whale penis is smaller than I expected.   :claireface:
Marten: "It's only a little smaller than mine (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=764)."
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TheEvilDog on 28 Apr 2015, 19:50
Hmmm, that apartment certainly looks a little bare.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 28 Apr 2015, 19:54
The whale penis is smaller than I expected.   :claireface:
Obviously not full size. Real ones can be up to 8', apparently.

It must be counterweighted so as not to fall over.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 28 Apr 2015, 19:58
Hey now. Maybe the whale was just cold.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 28 Apr 2015, 20:03
Already thinking about what to say when this makes the captions thread.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 28 Apr 2015, 20:04
The fun part will be when Jim brings Sam over for dinner with the new squeeze. I'm sure the furnishings will be a big hit.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 28 Apr 2015, 20:14
Also, having a nude portrait of oneself in one's living room is just strange, Veronica.

What? You can't keep it in the dining room!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 28 Apr 2015, 20:15
Is it just me, or is the perspective in panel 3 off?

Claire's going to be leaning quite far forward to touch the model whale penis based on the room's scale in panel 1, yet her abdomen is shown as significantly wider than her thorax - more so than when her full figure is normally drawn, even, when it should be the opposite, as she's leaning into the camera.


The perspective would be correct-ish if she were sitting straight up and reaching an arm out. But she'd have to lean forward unless they moved the coffee table back before sitting down.

She's have to be leaning waaaay forward. It also seems to be too far to the right in relationship to the end of the couch, if the coffee table is centered in front of the sofa as people usually do.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 28 Apr 2015, 20:32
I fear the coat rack. Fear it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 28 Apr 2015, 20:52
It's a actual rack. You just throw your coats on it and try and ignore the customer strapped to it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 28 Apr 2015, 21:21
My uh... gee.

That happened.

The words 'whale penis' are going to be stuck in my head for weeks.

It's a literal dork
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 28 Apr 2015, 21:43
Also, having a nude portrait of oneself in one's living room is just strange, Veronica.

What? You can't keep it in the dining room!

Depends on whether or not one wants to have an old friend for dinner.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Storel on 28 Apr 2015, 22:45
Why are we assuming that's a portrait of Veronica? Just because the hair's the same color?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Apr 2015, 23:00
I'm suspecting she either has a Minimalist taste when it comes to her own personal space or she's not completely moved in yet and has the place set up only with the basics.

I wondered if that was a painting of Veronica.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 28 Apr 2015, 23:03
It's actually a housewarming present from Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 28 Apr 2015, 23:04
Why are we assuming that's a portrait of Veronica? Just because the hair's the same color?

That, but mostly that A) her career was very sexual in nature and B) she has a bold enough personality to have a nude painting of herself in her living room.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Torlek on 28 Apr 2015, 23:12
Why are we assuming that's a portrait of Veronica? Just because the hair's the same color?
Because Veronica strikes us as the type to have artful nudes of herself scattered about her abode given her openness (to appropriate-ish persons) about her career?

It's actually a housewarming present from Dora.
Somebody just launched a new fanfiction line.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 28 Apr 2015, 23:21
I get that this was a joke, but still. A whale penis and a nude painting of oneself (if that really is her) are not appropriate decorations. Especially not for your son and his girlfriend.

Would a male character have gotten away with it?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Apr 2015, 23:23
Steve, maybe.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 28 Apr 2015, 23:27
Steve, maybe.

Steve definitely.  If memory serves, shirtless photo (possibly just in a codpiece?) above his bed.  It used to hang over the mantle, but he decided it worked better as a post-coital conversation piece.  Someone with better archive-fu will have to hunt the relevant strip (a conversation with Marten and/or Tai, I believe) down for me, because I have no idea where to look.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Apr 2015, 23:30
I'm thinking that this is why Marten doesn't bring girlfriends to his mother's place often. He isn't ashamed of her but she just can't help but be embarrassing with her paradoxical openness about her profession and nature. She scares them off without meaning to!

Meanwhile, I think that Claire has a sudden need to wash her hands.

FWIW, I think that the portrait is of a young Veronica Vance, possibly by an admirer or a client. Most wouldn't display it but, maybe, this is a clue to part of Veronica's personality: She has a love for beauty and feels that something beautiful should be seen. As for the whale penis? Well, unfortunately that's another part of her personality: She's got a mischievous sense of humour.

Regarding the overall décor, Kugai is probably right. It's likely an example of Scandinavian minimalism, what I call 'an IKEA special'.

I get that this was a joke, but still. A whale penis and a nude painting of oneself (if that really is her) are not appropriate decorations. Especially not for your son and his girlfriend.

It's hardly erotica and Marten and Claire are both adults. It's certainly eccentric and maybe a little vain but it's hardly offensive!

Just a final note - I've got a real feeling that, probably next week, Veronica will tell Claire that she knows that she's trans and will freak Claire out by demanding all the gossip about the relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Apr 2015, 23:33
I'm thinking that this is why Marten doesn't bring girlfriends to his mother's place often.
Or because she's lived there a week :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Apr 2015, 23:37
I'm thinking that this is why Marten doesn't bring girlfriends to his mother's place often.

Or because she's lived there a week :roll:

I meant ever. Of any place where she's lived. :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Apr 2015, 23:56
Vicky (I think that was her name?) was in college and Northampton, and Dora was strictly Northampton, and we have no evidence of pre-Vicki relationships. But sure, if he had a girlfriend I doubt he'd be crazy about the idea...but I'm not sure he'd have much of a choice either. If she can get him over this easily now, I doubt it'd be different earlier in life.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 29 Apr 2015, 00:01
My impression is that Veronica only enters motherhood mode in periods - a lot of the time, she is focused on her own stuff, and only occasionally takes the role of parent. If I'm right about that, she might be changing in this respect, as she is getting older and less career-focused.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Apr 2015, 00:06
There were the "four or five" previous girlfriends Dora reacted badly to.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Apr 2015, 00:12
Oh right. I forgot about those.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: mikmaxs on 29 Apr 2015, 00:59
Okay, am I going insane or did yesterday's comic ('Psychic Readings') change punchlines? I would have sworn that the comic originally ended with his mom saying something like "I saw that coming a mile away," and then Marten saying "Well I could have used a heads up," but now it's a joke about his mom having already seen them holding hands. Does anyone else remember this?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Khazgar on 29 Apr 2015, 01:09
It did. I just noticed it this morning. I have to say, I liked the previous version a lot better - the "I saw it coming for ages" (or whatever it was she said) was just so good.

Did anyone save the previous version?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Apr 2015, 01:12
Yep. (https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30622.msg1317751.html#msg1317751)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Khazgar on 29 Apr 2015, 01:20
Thank you so much.

Can we petition Jeph to change it back?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 29 Apr 2015, 01:40
Schroedinger's Comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 29 Apr 2015, 02:30
Schroedinger's Comic.

Is the punchline dead or alive?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Apr 2015, 02:32
Schroedinger's Comic.

Is the punchline dead or alive?

I think that Zoe meant that, technically, both versions of panel 4 in strip 2948 exist and are equally valid outcomes. Only when you read the version of the strip that you have does the uncertainty resolve itself.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Akima on 29 Apr 2015, 03:11
Schrödinger's Comic is not Bohring.

I'm assuming that is a scale model. I'd have expected a whale's penis to be larger.

A whale penis and a nude painting of oneself (if that really is her) are not appropriate decorations. Especially not for your son and his girlfriend. Would a male character have gotten away with it?
It's a model of a penis, not a penis, and says who? A male character could have got away with hanging a stuffed deer's head on the wall, or picture of himself standing with his foot on a bear he'd shot; both altogether more dubious as decorations than the back view of a nude woman, so I don't think we need to invoke sexism.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 29 Apr 2015, 03:31
For the record, from where I'm standing, it doesn't even look like it's her anyway.

And there's a real lack of appreciation for the difference between art and porn here.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gnomeybum on 29 Apr 2015, 03:39
I actually think it's a very tasteful portrait, even if it is Veronica herself. I mean, nudes are captured in art ALL the time, and it's hardly like a portrait from Madonna's 'Sex'. Consider:

(mod edit: It's art, but someone may be reading this at work. Added spoiler tag.)
(click to show/hide)

As for the whale penis, out of context it just looks like a piece of modern sculpture. The comic artist behind 'Oh Joy, Sex Toy', a fantastic, light hearted, sex-positive comic that I would hugely recommend, keeps some of the sex toys she has been sent to review on display because, out of the context of their use, they are very like sculpture.

I really don't see the big deal here, yo.

Edit: this was the particular OJST comic I was thinking of: http://www.ohjoysextoy.com/gspoon/ (nsfw link)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 29 Apr 2015, 03:44
Schroedinger's Comic.

Is the punchline dead or alive?

I think that Zoe meant that, technically, both versions of panel 4 in strip 2948 exist and are equally valid outcomes. Only when you read the version of the strip that you have does the uncertainty resolve itself.

Correct.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 29 Apr 2015, 04:56
As for the whale penis, out of context it just looks like a piece of modern sculpture. The comic artist behind 'Oh Joy, Sex Toy', a fantastic, light hearted, sex-positive comic that I would hugely recommend, keeps some of the sex toys she has been sent to review on display because, out of the context of their use, they are very like sculpture.

I really don't see the big deal here, yo.

The latest OJST comic has a picture of the display cabinet the artist keeps the toys in, and I totally think that Veronica would have a similar cabinet somewhere in her apartment.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Welu on 29 Apr 2015, 05:17
I love the portrait. Very Veronica.

What's the point of having it in the bedroom? I imagine anyone she invites to her bedroom will get the live feature so putting the portrait in there would be redundant.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 29 Apr 2015, 05:48
Also, having a nude portrait of oneself in one's living room is just strange, Veronica.

Meh.  I know a middle-aged couple of gay men who have a full-frontal nude painting of them together at the top of their main stairs.  Adonises they are not.  The late mother of one of them, whom I knew, disliked it...
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 29 Apr 2015, 06:19
FWIW, I'm not coming at that from a slut-shaming or art-erasing POV, I'm coming at that as being narcissistic. While nude paintings aren't something I'd have as decoration, I can definitely see the artistic value. It's when it's nude paintings of oneself that it just goes over the top, IMO.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Apr 2015, 06:20
Also keep in mind that in addition to being a professional dominatrix, Veronica is also a professional erotic model. A tasteful nude of herself in the living room doesn't even register as a drop in the bucket, I'm sure.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 29 Apr 2015, 07:09
I'm assuming that is a scale model. I'd have expected a whale's penis to be larger..

Depends what species of whale.  It's about the right size for a killer whale.  Lots of info here http://www.whalefacts.org/blue-whale-penis/ (possibly NSFW)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 29 Apr 2015, 08:37
I actually think it's a very tasteful portrait, even if it is Veronica herself. I mean, nudes are captured in art ALL the time, and it's hardly like a portrait from Madonna's 'Sex'. Consider:

(http://www.daydaypaint.com/images/Nude/Nude-Oil-Painting-008.jpg)

As for the whale penis, out of context it just looks like a piece of modern sculpture. The comic artist behind 'Oh Joy, Sex Toy', a fantastic, light hearted, sex-positive comic that I would hugely recommend, keeps some of the sex toys she has been sent to review on display because, out of the context of their use, they are very like sculpture.

I really don't see the big deal here, yo.

Edit: this was the particular OJST comic I was thinking of: http://www.ohjoysextoy.com/gspoon/

You miiiight want to put an NSFW warning on the comic link :-P
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gnomeybum on 29 Apr 2015, 08:49
I actually think it's a very tasteful portrait, even if it is Veronica herself. I mean, nudes are captured in art ALL the time, and it's hardly like a portrait from Madonna's 'Sex'. Consider:

(http://www.daydaypaint.com/images/Nude/Nude-Oil-Painting-008.jpg)

As for the whale penis, out of context it just looks like a piece of modern sculpture. The comic artist behind 'Oh Joy, Sex Toy', a fantastic, light hearted, sex-positive comic that I would hugely recommend, keeps some of the sex toys she has been sent to review on display because, out of the context of their use, they are very like sculpture.

I really don't see the big deal here, yo.

Edit: this was the particular OJST comic I was thinking of: http://www.ohjoysextoy.com/gspoon/

You miiiight want to put an NSFW warning on the comic link :-P

Noted and amended, though I did sort of think a comic called 'Oh Joy, Sex Toy' might be it's own nsfw warning  :laugh:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 29 Apr 2015, 09:21
Touché.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Xader on 29 Apr 2015, 09:48
Ah, but is it dishwasher safe?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pink Jenkin on 29 Apr 2015, 10:11
And there's a real lack of appreciation for the difference between art and porn here.

That difference which exists only to perpetuate the gap between respectable society and sex workers, based on misogynistic systems of sexual norms developed over thousands of years of fatherhood-centered cultural mythopoeia, and which to this day serves as the key ingredient in the structural, social and legal oppression of the women and men involved in the artistic creation of pornography?

Ah, damn, that came out wrong.

What I mean is: Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Edit: In less aggressive news, I have to say I'm digging Veronica's flat. I wonder what material that whale dick is made from. I hope it's glass. I love glass dildos. Although I guess it doesn't really look like it. Aww.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 29 Apr 2015, 11:33
I think the painting is of someone less tall and skinny than Veronica. Of course I could be wrong.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 29 Apr 2015, 12:29
Ah, but is it dishwasher safe?

Where in the hell's a whale going to find a dishwasher?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 29 Apr 2015, 12:44
Ah, but is it dishwasher safe?

Where in the hell's a whale going to find a dishwasher?

People will dump anything at sea.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Apr 2015, 13:30
Ah, but is it dishwasher safe?

Where in the hell's a whale going to find a dishwasher?

Next to the eskimo's ice making machine.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Apr 2015, 15:12
He'll get it from a purple monkey.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 15:37
I thought changing that one was unnecessary, but as neither the author or one of the potential people who might be offended that opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt.

You can just join my headcanon, those babies are cute and they have little shirts that say 'my grandmother spanks people.'

Speaking of babies, though, Jeph's gonna have to address it eventually.  We can't keep tiptoeing around the subject, especially not with Veronica (it would be uncharacteristic of her to not start pressuring Marten to give her grandbabies), but it's obviously a sensitive issue and Jeph doesn't want to do anything offensive.  But I think there's a way we can work around that:

SCENE: Veronica's living room.  All three are sitting on the couch, drinks in hand.
Veronica (Eagerly, fingers steepled in a Mr. Burns-esque pose): "So, my lovelies, together at last..."
Marten: "Mom, before you get started on grandchildren, there's something you should know." He takes Claire's hand.
Veronica: "Yes?"
Claire (confidently): "I'm trans."
Veronica (surprised): "Oh!  Well, thank you for telling me, dear.  I wouldn't have wanted to accidentally say something insensitive."
Claire: "That's okay.  And don't worry, we can always adopt." She pats Marten on the hand.
Marten: *spit-take*
Veronica: "Well!  Marten, I'd say she's a keeper!"

Edited to add: Sorry, I know we've already spent too much time dreaming up scenarios in which Claire comes out to Marten's family and friends, but I feel Marten's mom, at least, needs to know about her, if only to avoid a potential grandbabies-related faux pas as mentioned above.  This'll probably be my last word on the subject.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Apr 2015, 16:03
I really wouldn't be terribly surprised if Veronica already knows or suspects Claire is trans. Apparently she's known trans people, so she might guess. Or maybe she doesn't. It's really up in the air. Besides that, talking kids when they've been going out what, a week or so seems a bit premature.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 16:05
Besides that, talking kids when they've been going out what, a week or so seems a bit premature.

Yeah, but this is Veronica we're talking about.  She tried to hook him up with a waitress almost immediately after his breakup with Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Apr 2015, 16:12
Plus there was that previous suggestion of hers that was undone by time travelers.  :roll:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 29 Apr 2015, 16:18
And that was over a month before they actually started dating.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Apr 2015, 16:24
Marten: "Mom, before you get started on grandchildren, there's something you should know." He takes Claire's hand.
Veronica: "Yes?"
Claire (confidently): "I'm trans."

Marten shouldn't be the one to initiate that reveal. It's fine otherwise, though I'd go for something more subtle. If we go that direction at all, since you don't NEED to. But if you do, have her kinda say she knows without actually saying she knows and that she loves Marten and respects his choices.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 16:36
Marten shouldn't be the one to initiate that reveal. It's fine otherwise, though I'd go for something more subtle. If we go that direction at all, since you don't NEED to. But if you do, have her kinda say she knows without actually saying she knows and that she loves Marten and respects his choices.

Yeah, you're right.  Marten made it clear in 2901 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2901) that it was Claire's call, so he would certainly follow her lead.  I just figured he'd be able to tell if his mother was going to bring up the grandkids question, but I hadn't considered your or Neko_Ali's observation that she might already know/suspect the truth and would tactfully avoid mentioning grandkids altogether.  Thanks for pointing that out, both of you.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Apr 2015, 16:43
Ms. Reed, "tactfully"?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 17:01
It could happen!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 29 Apr 2015, 17:28
However, Jeph explicitly edited out an example of her being tactless about this very issue.

So, I suspect Claire will end up pre-empting it to avoid triggering readers.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 29 Apr 2015, 19:09
It's a snek!!!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: valkygrrl on 29 Apr 2015, 19:25
Now we know Sam has seen the whaleboner.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 19:28
Sam and Claire Sam and Claire SamandCLAAAAAAAAAAIIIRRRRE

(It could happen!)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Apr 2015, 19:39
More importantly.

Claire and reptiles.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 29 Apr 2015, 19:50
She and Sam can bond while hiding toads in Clinton's sock drawer.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: K1dmor on 29 Apr 2015, 19:57
 At least it's not a co-bra.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Apr 2015, 19:59
Fang Island isn't a band reference. Marten just keeps running into snakes.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 29 Apr 2015, 20:10
(whispers)

Badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger It's a snaaaaake! A snaaake! A snaake! ooooh
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 29 Apr 2015, 20:39
Coat rack coat rack coat rack coat rack coat rack coat track....
Marten hates that coat rack and the name "Marten Tiberius Reed!" for the same reason....

That room so needs to be recreated in Minecraft....

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 29 Apr 2015, 20:53
There are only 4 venomous varieties of snake in North America. Little Buddy is not one of them. So this is a test.
Veronica did not freak out or call 911. She saw LB for what he is and slid him into a jar for future reference.
So from Sam's point of view, Veronica has passed.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 29 Apr 2015, 21:08
It's a snek!!! (http://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI?t=22)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 29 Apr 2015, 21:23
When it grows up Veronica can have it made into a whip



*Ducks*
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 29 Apr 2015, 21:37
The frogsnakelord strikes!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 29 Apr 2015, 21:38
Nah, she would have plenty of whips already... And snake skin is a lousy material to make a whip out of anyway.

She'll probably use Little Buddy in a reenactment of the Britney Spears "Toxic" video in front of Marten's friends and new GF, causing him so much embarrassment he implodes.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Apr 2015, 21:40
Poking around in your dad's girlfriend's underwear drawer is not exactly polite, though I can't condemn the curiosity.

Why not hand over the snake in person, though, as you would with a ceremonial frog?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 29 Apr 2015, 22:44
I'm a day late in commenting about the whale penis, but I wonder how many whale penises Veronica has.  (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2681)  Or is the one on the table the same one that was her door knocker in California?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Apr 2015, 23:26
So, it's confirmed that Sam is a dyed-in-the wool tomboy. She likes the less cuddly side of wildlife, playing in the woods and doesn't do 'bathing'. I'm already seeing a scene where Veronica, Faye and maybe Claire ambush her and give her a thorough scrubbing down so she looks and smells acceptable for some important event.

I'm also seeing Jim, when asked to describe her saying: "Distinctive features? Uh... smear of dirt on the bridge of her nose!"

Poor Marten doesn't look like he knows how to deal with the Good Stepmother Snake! The implication is that Veronica expects him to 'deal with it' for her. However, I suspect that Sam expects Veronica and her to release it together in the woods as a sort of ritual of mutual acceptance. As Veronica says: challenging.

Claire is being reminded of just how weird are the people Marten knows!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Apr 2015, 23:31
Poking around in your dad's girlfriend's underwear drawer is not exactly polite, though I can't condemn the curiosity.

She may have left it in the living room or something and it just wondered in there.

Perhaps it's a trouser snake.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 00:18
I really wouldn't be terribly surprised if Veronica already knows or suspects Claire is trans. Apparently she's known trans people, so she might guess.

FWIW, the appearance of Good Stepmother Snake makes me think that Marten and Sam will be sent off into the woods on a release mission whilst Veronica and Claire share some girl talk.

I can see Veronica being devastatingly plain-spoken. She will demand to know if Claire has told Marten if she is trans and warn that she won't tolerate Claire pursuing a relationship under 'false pretenses'. She doesn't disapprove as much as insist on candour and honesty. She and Henry could have avoided a lot of heartbreak if he'd told her that he was gay earlier in their relationship. After she's satisfied that Claire has been honest with Marten, she'll relax and start going on about how good Marten is with Sam and how he'd make a great husband and father.

Veronica will then round off what has been already a traumatic day for Claire by giving her a lot of sartorial tips (street and bedroom wear) and by giving her a brochure from an adoption agency with the snarled instruction: "GRAND-BABIES!"
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Apr 2015, 00:24
I can see Veronica being devastatingly plain-spoken. She will demand to know if Claire has told Marten if she is trans and warn that she won't tolerate Claire pursuing a relationship under 'false pretenses'. She doesn't disapprove as much as insist on candour and honesty.

No.

No no no no no.

Absolutely not.

Veronica doesn't know how intimate Claire and Marten have been yet, but confronting her about her trans status as if Marten wouldn't know already falls squarely into the awful "trap" stereotype (http://theangels.co.uk/2014/05/its-a-trap-depictions-of-trans-deception/) about trans people that Jeph is probably VERY keen to avoid. 

tl;dr: No.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 00:40
@Gladstone,
I respect your opinion. However, I genuinely think that my suggestion is in-character for Veronica. She knows better than most about playing roles and, after all the bad experiences Marten has had in relationships, she doesn't want him hurt again. I'm sure that, after Claire tells her that she volunteered the information upfront, she'll be fine.

I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Apr 2015, 00:50
Veronica confronting Claire alone and demanding to know if Marten knows yet, and warning her that "she won't tolerate Claire pursuing a relationship under 'false pretenses'" is not "a challenge based on good intentions and love."

And it is way past my bedtime, so that's all I'm going to say about this.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 01:27
And there's a real lack of appreciation for the difference between art and porn here.

That difference which exists only to perpetuate the gap between respectable society and sex workers, based on misogynistic systems of sexual norms developed over thousands of years of fatherhood-centered cultural mythopoeia, and which to this day serves as the key ingredient in the structural, social and legal oppression of the women and men involved in the artistic creation of pornography?

Ah, damn, that came out wrong.

What I mean is: Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Taking the wider point out of this, you're actually agreeing with my larger point, namely that 'dude it's just a naked person, no biggie.'
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: swapna on 30 Apr 2015, 01:44
@Gladstone,
I respect your opinion. However, I genuinely think that my suggestion is in-character for Veronica. She knows better than most about playing roles and, after all the bad experiences Marten has had in relationships, she doesn't want him hurt again. I'm sure that, after Claire tells her that she volunteered the information upfront, she'll be fine.

I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.

I don't think Veronica would be challenging Claire - she might have a deeper insight (for example, know not to ask about grandkids). Well, let's put it like this - challenging Claire wouldn't be out of character for Veronica, at all. That woman loves to embarrass people and would never hold back her opinion. Problem is, Claire will never face anybody like this in the comic - Jeph's not going there. She might give Claire a heads-up that she knows and is glad for both of them.
On the other hand -> look at how Claire's drawn. Her hips are way wider than her shoulders and so on - we're given no indicators that she wouldn't pass, at all, so Veronica might not know.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 01:54
On the other hand -> look at how Claire's drawn. Her hips are way wider than her shoulders and so on - we're given no indicators that she wouldn't pass, at all, so Veronica might not know.

I'm seem to remember reading someone in the know on this forum saying that this is an advantage of an early transition. In many ways, Claire has been very fortunate.

If Veronica does already know, it would be due to some kind of subconscious 'tell'; behaviours that Veronica has seen in her various transwoman friends and colleagues in the past. I have no idea whether such a thing actually exists.

What I really, really want is for Hurricane Veronica to drag poor Claire out to the various clothes shops, insisting that her current everyday sartorial choices do not suit her and that she knows just the thing. Next Friday, Marten and Sam are walking back to Veronica's apartment, agreeing that Veronica is cool, or as cool as "old people" (Sam's phrase) can get. Veronica is outside and greets them, saying that she and Claire have just got back themselves.

Next panel is Claire in an outfit that flatters her in all the right way. Naturally, she looks bashful (playing with her hair and posed nervously).

Last panel, Sam is making a 'gross' expression. "Ew! He's started drooling!"

Veronica winks at her. "Mission accomplished, kiddo! You'll understand in a few years time!"
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 02:24
I don't for a second believe that Veronica would be anywhere near this shitty about it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 30 Apr 2015, 02:38
I think we're running into a conflict between what's in character for Veronica (there's a strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=457) that some have interpreted as potentially being trans* erasure, combined with the original version of 2379), and what's in character for Jeph, really.

Jeph isn't going to portray Veronica making an insensitive comment about Claire's ability to biologically mother children, even though he likely thinks it's in character for her, because of the effect that it could have on his readers (because he's been there with 2379, and edited it to remove exactly that). And, I believe Jeph's outright said that Claire's status won't be used for drama.

Nobody's outing Claire even if it would be completely in character for them to do so, because Jeph won't allow them to, I'd guess. It'll be tricky for him to write that in a believable way, but he is a damn good writer, and I'm sure he'll figure it out. Like I guessed earlier, it'll most likely involve Claire coming out before they can out her.

Also... if Claire and Marten wanted a biological kid? I doubt they will, Jeph's had a NO BABIES stance, but it could be done (he's hinted at a relaxation of that stance with Faye of all people). They'd need a surrogate to carry it, but this technology is being developed in our world in a couple of different ways (one way which would require an egg donor, then the DNA would effectively be replaced before it would be fertilized; the other way actually involving forcing a type of stem cell to differentiate into an egg instead of sperm, and then that could be fertilized). Then consider that the QC-verse has E-C, and if Claire and Marten wanted it, Hannelore would likely make damn sure they were the first ones to get it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 03:19
I don't understand why people think it would be in Veronica's character to be abrasive about such things.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 03:23
I don't understand why people think it would be in Veronica's character to be abrasive about such things.

She's not abrasive; she's just the sort of personality who says exactly what is on her mind and (and this is the key) thinks about how others will react to what she's saying later if she does so at all. She's a thousand times worse when buzzed but, even when sober, she doesn't really seem to think ahead about what she's saying.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 30 Apr 2015, 03:24
That has mostly been demonstrated by her interaction with Marten, so it might not apply to others.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 03:41
Well yeah. I am a thousand times more rude to the people that know me really well.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Detachable Felix on 30 Apr 2015, 03:48
Well yeah. I am a thousand times more rude to the people that know me really well.
We love you too, douchenozzle. :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 30 Apr 2015, 04:10
I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.

Trans people face plenty of "well-intentioned" challenges (along with plenty of less-than-nice ones), so I think it would be a stretch to say that even in this universe, Claire has never had anyone make an ignorant, but innocent comment that was shitty. 

However, anyone demanding to know about your genitalia, body structure, or whether or not you inform people about it is not good intentions, it's not love, and it's not something that should be condoned.  We don't go around asking cis people the exact configuration of their genitals and whether or not they've told people what they "really" are, so we shouldn't be doing it to trans people, either.  I think Gladstone is correct in that this plays into the "trap" idea, which is really offensive and not true.  It suggests Claire has some "real" identity that she isn't disclosing, and what she sees herself as and how she presents herself to the world isn't true because of the possible way her body looks under her clothes (which we, the audience, know nothing about).  Claire owes it to no one to tell them about the configuration of her body unless she so chooses, just like any other woman.

Veronica may be abrasive and unpleasant about a lot of things, but I would hope that issues relating to sexuality and identity would be something she's more intimately acquainted with.  Certainly, in her line of work, she's probably met people struggling to reconcile their desires, expressions, and lives with the expectations of the world around them, and hopefully, someone who's seen that up close wouldn't be so callous as to corner someone and demand to know intimate details about them.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 30 Apr 2015, 04:23
That has mostly been demonstrated by her interaction with Marten, so it might not apply to others.

It does (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2391)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 30 Apr 2015, 04:34
Honestly, Jane is almost as much family to Veronica as Marten is. That doesn't count.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 05:04
That has mostly been demonstrated by her interaction with Marten, so it might not apply to others.

Not really; throughout the wedding arc, Veronica needled Claire on a couple of occasions. She was mostly using Claire as a 'straight man' for her interactions with Marten but it's clear that she didn't really mind whether or not Claire wanted to be part of this embarrassing display. She was also sassy around Marten's other friends on other occasions; yes, mostly humiliating Marten but not really caring how the others might feel about this.

I think that the summation was Veronica describing something wholly inappropriate as 'delightfully deviant'. She just likes pushing the envelope in her interpersonal interactions and she seems to have an innate talent to judge people's personality to find either people who are too timid to push back (i.e. Marten and possibly Claire) or like it and respond in kind in a way that she likes (i.e. Jim). FWIW, I think that she would say that she doesn't go out to offend and I don't think she does. She's just one of those people who isn't so hot at judging what is and is not upsetting to others so long as she enjoys it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 05:18
There is a huge difference between pushing the envelope in personal interaction for funsies and 'does my son know what you have between your legs?'

Maybe I'm taking this a little personally because I also push the envelope in such a way, but I also know where the lines are.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 05:21
Maybe; we'll see, I guess.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 30 Apr 2015, 07:04
While I think that coming out early as trans to your SO is probably wise (particularly if anatomy is going to make it obvious), it's not a moral obligation. I strongly doubt that Veronica (or any of the rest of the cast aside from Clinton, Clairemom and Emily) have any idea that Claire is trans. But even if any have suspicions, they should keep them to themselves, Veronica included.

WRT Veronica, she can be transgressive, but I don't see her pushing such a conventionally moralistic line with Claire or Marten, even if she were to address it at all (which I don't think she would).
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 07:14
I think I should emphasise (mostly because I haven't clearly stated it so far) that the broader storline idea I was working from is that Veronica doesn't have a problem with Claire at all. What she's worried about is the corrosive effect that secrets have on relationships. She knows that from her personal experience and she didn't want Claire to make the same mistake.

My idea was that Veronica had guessed Henry was gay but had kept her peace about the whole thing. There was a baby coming and having a person who wanted her for her as opposed to the carefully-manufactured lie that that Veronica Vance was intoxicating. The problem is, the longer she and Henry didn't confront it, the worse the eventual pain in the end.

As I said above, she doesn't want Claire (whom she obviously considers a perfectly sweet girl) to fall into the same trap of letting a sleeping dog lie that very probably will bite you when you're unprepared if you don't tackle it carefully and early.

While I think that coming out early as trans to your SO is probably wise (particularly if anatomy is going to make it obvious), it's not a moral obligation.

Additionally, I think that your average transperson would find it terrifying, especially if they have a niggling fear of rejection the way that Strip 2891 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2891) strongly indicates Claire does.

All Veronica would have wanted in my scenario is to help, if she could.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Aziraphale on 30 Apr 2015, 07:50

I just think that it would be good to have Claire facing a challenge based on good intentions and love rather than fear and malice.

A: You could argue that she already has in her relationship with Marten from the lake house arc 'til now. Not saying that either one's in love with the other yet, but both her and Marten's actions have been motivated by varying levels of compassion, infatuation, passion, et cetera, rather than negativity. But there've still been plenty of challenges for both of them, with more presumably yet to come.

B: You know what they say about good intentions. And even if you've never heard the expression, I'm sure you've been on the receiving end of someone doing something dumb/hurtful/thoughtless because they "only wanted to help" and genuinely thought they were. Careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ASB84 on 30 Apr 2015, 08:10
Given what we've seen Veronica do and say in the past, I think it's more likely that she embarrasses Claire (and possibly Marten) with sexual advice that you really don't want to hear from, or discuss with, your significant other's mother (or in Marten's case, your own mother). Nothing offensive to Claire as a trans individual, or offensive to anyone in general, but certainly uncomfortable and awkward...delivered cheerfully and with the best of intentions, of course.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 30 Apr 2015, 08:44
What she's worried about is the corrosive effect that secrets have on relationships. She knows that from her personal experience and she didn't want Claire to make the same mistake.

In that case the way to address it would be to talk about her own experience with secrets in a relationship, and let the young couple connect the dots, rather than barreling in explicitly with the trans issue. But my sense of Veronica is that she wouldn't even do this. Remember in this strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2708), Veronica's all for jumping in and taking a risk. She doesn't strike me as the type to be worrying about minor details like is somebody trans.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: themacnut on 30 Apr 2015, 08:53
So, it's confirmed that Sam is a dyed-in-the wool tomboy. She likes the less cuddly side of wildlife, playing in the woods and doesn't do 'bathing'.

(Emphasis mine)

Which goes to show that Sam hasn't discovered boys yet. Or rather, she hasn't discovered that boys generally don't like stinky girls.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2015, 08:57
And Gareth's too old for her :parrot:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Apr 2015, 08:59
 :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 09:00
...I really feel like given how many newer posters are in this subsection, that's going to come across SUPER creepy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pink Jenkin on 30 Apr 2015, 09:54
Taking the wider point out of this, you're actually agreeing with my larger point, namely that 'dude it's just a naked person, no biggie.'

Oh yeah, totally. I think I understand what you intended to say and agree with it, I just have one of those annoying things where I bring attention to my Personal Porn-Political Pet Peeves when I see people using phrases and transmitting memes which I think are harmful to sex workers/people employed in the porn industry. The idea that there's a difference between art and porn (which, you know, might very well exist depending on which aesthetic theory we use at the moment) has historically and up to this moment been used to damage the social status and economic security of women defying conventional sexual morality. And even though that is neither the intended nor even likely effect of that idea's usage in this situation, I felt the need to point it out.

I wonder why I never get invited to any parties.  :psyduck:

Edit: Well, of course I get invited to parties, but I meant normal-people parties. The kind where I don't have to wear a leash.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Apr 2015, 10:20
Taking the wider point out of this, you're actually agreeing with my larger point, namely that 'dude it's just a naked person, no biggie.'

Oh yeah, totally. I think I understand what you intended to say and agree with it, I just have one of those annoying things where I bring attention to my Personal Porn-Political Pet Peeves when I see people using phrases and transmitting memes which I think are harmful to sex workers/people employed in the porn industry. The idea that there's a difference between art and porn (which, you know, might very well exist depending on which aesthetic theory we use at the moment) has historically and up to this moment been used to damage the social status and economic security of women defying conventional sexual morality. And even though that is neither the intended nor even likely effect of that idea's usage in this situation, I felt the need to point it out.

I wonder why I never get invited to any parties.  :psyduck:

Edit: Well, of course I get invited to parties, but I meant normal-people parties. The kind where I don't have to wear a leash.

Feel free to start a new topic in discuss. Could get some interesting discussion rolling.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pink Jenkin on 30 Apr 2015, 11:07
Feel free to start a new topic in discuss. Could get some interesting discussion rolling.

Thanks, but talking about parties with strangers is the fourth worst usage of the Internet.

Oh! You meant that other thing. Yeah, sure, why not?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ysth on 30 Apr 2015, 12:37
Today's strip is really a nice showcase for how far Jeph's artwork has come along.  Multiple angles and heights of point of view, hands holding a glass jar containing a snake...
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 Apr 2015, 13:18
It would be in character for Martenmom to say something to Claire about Bosch paintings, but clearly it won't be about her medical history. That's a place Jeph is scrupulously not going.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 30 Apr 2015, 16:01
I don't think Veronica is going to go the Bosch route with Claire. She already knows her "dom voice" has an affect on Clarice.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: stank sinatra on 30 Apr 2015, 17:09
Veronica ITT:

"I don't know how to deal with children I'm not allowed to hit"

abusive mothering ftl

Global Moderator Comment Repeatedly attempting to antagonise the forum after being warned. Nah.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Apr 2015, 17:21
More like "I don't know how to deal with this particular child."  Because I doubt Marten was anything like Sam when he was a kid.  And I doubt either of his parents ever resorted to corporal punishment.  Try again!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2015, 17:25
"I don't know how to deal with children I'm not allowed to hit"
When has there been any indication that Veronica ever hit Marten? Sure, she spanked people, but only people who paid her to.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 30 Apr 2015, 17:27
I think Stank is just going for three global moderator warnings in a row.  Ding ding ding!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2015, 17:34
Welu banned them about a minute before I was going to. Now that's a united front.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Welu on 30 Apr 2015, 17:36
*mod fistbump*
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: DonInKansas on 30 Apr 2015, 18:56
The fun part will be when Jim brings Sam over for dinner with the new squeeze. I'm sure the furnishings will be a big hit.

I just had a fantastic image of Skullmaster trading in the War Ladle for the whale penis.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Tova on 30 Apr 2015, 19:31
Jeph, there's no need to apologise for an awesome comic.  8-)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2015, 19:32
Hmm, yes, I see.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: DrBear on 30 Apr 2015, 19:49
I agree - this one isn't just a "I'm not feeling good so here's a lazy comic" one, it fits in well. Surprised there isn't a Hannelore-style kitty.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 30 Apr 2015, 19:59
Jeph, there's no need to apologize for an awesome comic.  8-)

There are comic artists who would LOVE to draw as well as Jeph half-asses a comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Apr 2015, 20:11
I wonder if he was stressing over doing a Claire & Veronica talk about stuff comic right.

Regardless, cute Hanners comic!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Apr 2015, 20:35
Trust Tai to consider it as a Tattoo Design

[PoshEnglishVoice]Well done sir, well done![/PoshEnglishVoice]
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Zog on 30 Apr 2015, 21:45
I really like Hannelore's drawings, and I love Faye's expression.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 30 Apr 2015, 22:23
Sorry, what does "but you do you" mean?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 30 Apr 2015, 22:28
It means that Faye should do whatever it is that Faye does to remind herself of things she needs to do.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 30 Apr 2015, 22:28
You do (whatever) you (want to do/think is best).
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Apr 2015, 22:37
This is a lovely reminder that, as well as being amazingly cute, Hannelore is also a great friend and a thoroughly nice person. I'm pretty sure that it's taking all of Faye's mental and emotional strength not to break down into tears and hug Hanners because she knows that the combination would freak her out.

Now, I wonder if this is a redrafting of a note Jeph penned to himself back in the day? He doesn't have a Pintsize to toss but I'm sure that he has plenty of (nonbreakable) free merchandise samples that would do the trick!

I've got a feeling that the Veronica, Marten and Claire arc is heading into heavy territory. Posting as a fan-fiction writer, I understand the anxiety when your plot is about to take you into controversial territory that will not be liked by all your readers. We know Jeph doesn't like going there.

Sorry, what does "but you do you" mean?

Hannelore is saying that Faye can do whatever is truest to her essential nature and that she doesn't mind.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ysth on 30 Apr 2015, 23:18
Jeph, there's no need to apologise for an awesome comic.  8-)
"Awesome" is exactly the word that came to my mind, too.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 30 Apr 2015, 23:20
Obviously the correct answer has always been to tattoo it on the bottom of your right arm, so you see it whenever you're reaching for a drink
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 30 Apr 2015, 23:21
What BenRC said. Hanners is good people.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: St.Clair on 30 Apr 2015, 23:24
And this was good comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: KOK on 30 Apr 2015, 23:47
Oh no! Anxiety attacks are horrible. I hope this happens only very rarely.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: KOK on 30 Apr 2015, 23:55

Now, I wonder if this is a redrafting of a note Jeph penned to himself back in the day? He doesn't have a Pintsize to toss but I'm sure that he has plenty of (nonbreakable) free merchandise samples that would do the trick!


Or he could play with his dogs.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 01 May 2015, 00:00
And now Pintsize tossing must become a thing.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 May 2015, 00:51
This is actually one of my favourite comics in QC's history. I don't usually read the news post so wasn't aware anything was amiss, I just thought this was a really sweet comic.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Akima on 01 May 2015, 02:21
Jeph, there's no need to apologize for an awesome comic.  8-)
There are comic artists who would LOVE to draw as well as Jeph half-asses a comic.
I couldn't have put it better than these, so I'll just shut up.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pink Jenkin on 01 May 2015, 03:03
That's one fascinating monograph.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: willpell on 01 May 2015, 04:30
Dear webcomicists of the world: Please stop having nervous breakdowns.  You are awesome, everyone knows you're awesome, you have millions of fans who are enabling you to make a living doing what you love, you should not be panicking and stressing and shit.  (This goes out to Tarol Hunt of Goblins as well as to Jeph, and probably to a dozen others I don't know about.)
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 01 May 2015, 04:52
Dear webcomicists of the world: Please stop having nervous breakdowns.  You are awesome, everyone knows you're awesome, you have millions of fans who are enabling you to make a living doing what you love, you should not be panicking and stressing and shit.  (This goes out to Tarol Hunt of Goblins as well as to Jeph, and probably to a dozen others I don't know about.)

I'm certain Jeph knows he should not be panicking, and this is why he apologizes every time he has an anxiety attack.  But you know, Jeph has previously mentioned that he actually has anxiety.  As in, he is battling a mental illness, something that is 110% out of his control.  I know you meant well with this post, but as a sufferer of anxiety myself, when people tell me to stop panicking it makes me panic more.  So... I think it would be nice if no one told people with mental illnesses to stop having mental illnesses.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 May 2015, 05:12
That is one of the more frustrating things about anxiety and depression. All to often we know our feelings are completely illogical. Either we are obsessing over nothing, or over some minor thing and reacting way out of proportion to it. But we can't just stop it. Believe me, we would if we could. But it is a legit illness. One we are powerless to prevent most of the time. The best we can do is ride it out and remember that this to shall pass, and life will be worth living again.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 May 2015, 05:38
I had one such episode just yesterday.

And how great my life is right now doesn't make a shit of difference when you're plummeting in that moment.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 01 May 2015, 05:40
Exactly. I can't say this loudly enough: Depression and anxiety are not the result of a failure of will on the part of the sufferer. I can't simply decide to not be depressed. Believe me, I wish it was that easy.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 01 May 2015, 05:43
In fairness, benefit of the doubt to willpell, he may have just meant it as a message of solidarity and encouragement rather than the usual 'bro you should be happy cause you're rich and shit' that so many celebrities get after death.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 May 2015, 10:42
That's the way I read it, kind of like I am constantly tempted to tell my relatives "Please stop dying". The points about mental illness needed to be made, though, since not everyone out there is adequately informed.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 May 2015, 11:06
And even the most well intentioned offering can be hurtful without meaning to be.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 01 May 2015, 13:18
Yes, to much of the above.

Also, I love Jeph's Hannelore-doodles. Jeph, you don't need to apologize for the strip, just do what feels right and we'll be right behind you.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 May 2015, 15:56
You do you, Jeph :parrot:

(This really is one of my all time favourites, which makes me almost sad because his suffering made it happen)
Title: "Sorry for the simple comic?"
Post by: sfsdfd on 01 May 2015, 17:46
Long-time reader, but just registered for the forums a moment ago solely to say this:

Today's comic is fricking adorable. No apology required. :)
Title: Re: "Sorry for the simple comic?"
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 01 May 2015, 17:53
Welcome, new person, and you'll find wide agreement.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Tova on 01 May 2015, 21:01
For some strange reason, I decided to find out whether a book with the title 'Butts' exists.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Butts-Linda-Partin-ebook/dp/B00WNAFGTA/
Title: Re: "Sorry for the simple comic?"
Post by: happyninja42 on 01 May 2015, 22:38
Well he did say he had an anxiety attack that day, so he's probably feeling like it's not up to par as a result.   Though I find it quite perfect, given the context, and who did it.  I mean, it's Hannelore! 
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 May 2015, 23:35
When has there been any indication that Veronica ever hit Marten? Sure, she spanked people, but only people who paid her to.
A professional dominatrix would necessarily take a progressive attitude toward child rearing. But I'm anxious about that "coat rack" that Marten hates so much.

I'm also wondering how Sam was able to access Veronica's underwear drawer. It would make some sense if she had moved in with Jim, but this is her private apartment, right?

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Storel on 01 May 2015, 23:41
I'm also wondering how Sam was able to access Veronica's underwear drawer. It would make some sense if she had moved in with Jim, but this is her private apartment, right?

I would assume Sam and Jim came over for a visit, probably for housewarming purposes.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 01 May 2015, 23:49
When has there been any indication that Veronica ever hit Marten? Sure, she spanked people, but only people who paid her to.
A professional dominatrix would necessarily take a progressive attitude toward child rearing. But I'm anxious about that "coat rack" that Marten hates so much.

I'm also wondering how Sam was able to access Veronica's underwear drawer. It would make some sense if she had moved in with Jim, but this is her private apartment, right?

As someone who has dated several women with kids (I would assume it would be similar for a woman dating a father) the kids are part of the package and often a "date" is something that everybody can do together. Since we know that Veronica was introduced to Sam very early on in her relationship with Jim it can be inferred that Jim feels comfortable with Sam interacting with Veronica. Additionally I don't think anyone could keep Sam from going where she wants to go.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Storel on 01 May 2015, 23:54
So... I think it would be nice if no one told people with mental illnesses to stop having mental illnesses.

This conjured up an amusing little scene in my mind of someone telling me to just stop being depressed, and me responding "Wait-wait-wait, you mean I can just stop?!? [long pause] Well, sh-t. Why didn't anyone ever tell ME that?"

Well, it amused me, anyway.  8-)

In fairness, benefit of the doubt to willpell, he may have just meant it as a message of solidarity and encouragement rather than the usual 'bro you should be happy cause you're rich and shit' that so many celebrities get after death.

That's the way I read it, kind of like I am constantly tempted to tell my relatives "Please stop dying".

That's exactly how I read it, too, as encouragement rather than, say, nagging. And IICIH's line made me chuckle.

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: LeGrande on 02 May 2015, 01:01
Quote
This conjured up an amusing little scene in my mind of someone telling me to just stop being depressed, and me responding "Wait-wait-wait, you mean I can just stop?!? [long pause] Well, sh-t. Why didn't anyone ever tell ME that?"

See, if I said this, some of my friends and family would say, "That's right, you can stop being depressed any time you want to. You choose not to because I guess you feel you get something positive out of being depressed. I guess you enjoy being treated like a little immature whining baby that can't clean up after it shits itself. Now straighten up, stop being so selfish, stop trying to manipulate others, get a real job (note: I'm an adjunct professor of music at a college and teach piano privately), and join the rest of us adults in the real world. You have no right to feel bad; there are so many people who have it worse off than you."
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 02 May 2015, 01:10
My friends have actually helped me with my OCD-related problem of being touched by basically being pricks about it.  They know what lines are *not* to be crossed, and avoid those[1] but otherwise perform exposure therapy for free.  My trouble with touching basically started in my mid-20s, and the most physically intimate time I have had in the past decade was spent holding hands with a woman I met at the pub, after I refused a snog.  My friends actually help by being physical and help me "just get over it".  I don't know about Jeph's issues, and it's different for everybody, I know that my depression is harder to deal with, personally, and my bipolar disorder really fucks with me if I skip a dose and I still have episodes.  But sometimes, dealing with things is basically being *made* to deal.  I still have a fuckload of mental problems, but at least I was able to get off the clonazepam and ambien and use "softer" drugs instead and learn ways to cope with it.

[1]  I did have one friend forget about that when I bought her a drink (she was on lunch and didn't have cash) and kissed me on the cheek.  I did a sort of Hanners flailing. 
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 02 May 2015, 01:22
I'm also wondering how Sam was able to access Veronica's underwear drawer.
Perhaps Sam's sneaking skills (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2343) have improved even further.

This conjured up an amusing little scene in my mind of someone telling me to just stop being depressed, and me responding "Wait-wait-wait, you mean I can just stop?!? [long pause] Well, sh-t. Why didn't anyone ever tell ME that?"

Well, it amused me, anyway.  8-)
I am happy to have amused you!  :)
Title: Re: "Sorry for the simple comic?"
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 May 2015, 01:23
Any objection if I merge this with the weekly comic thread?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 02 May 2015, 01:27
There's an xkcd on which the mouseover text is "Hey, look, the Make Everything Better button was behind the bookcase all along!".
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Half Empty Coffee Cup on 02 May 2015, 15:51
I could use a button like that.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 02 May 2015, 21:35
You have no right to feel bad; there are so many people who have it worse off than you."

By that logic, no one has any right to be happy, because there are so many people happier than they are.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 02 May 2015, 21:50
And because Felix (http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2569) only likes to hear himself talk.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 May 2015, 05:41
HE LIKES HIS OWN VOICE BEST!
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: swapna on 03 May 2015, 14:17
When has there been any indication that Veronica ever hit Marten? Sure, she spanked people, but only people who paid her to.
A professional dominatrix would necessarily take a progressive attitude toward child rearing. But I'm anxious about that "coat rack" that Marten hates so much.

I'm also wondering how Sam was able to access Veronica's underwear drawer. It would make some sense if she had moved in with Jim, but this is her private apartment, right?

a) Physical violence is not just hitting people, it's pulling their ears as well - it looks kind of painful, and Marten's making a face. While it can be in good fun, imagine Ms. Augustus pulling Claire's ear while chastising her. That would look different, would it?

b) I think they visited, and Sam brought a present :D
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 May 2015, 14:20
I was responding to a post that specifically mentioned hitting. Valid point though.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Storel on 03 May 2015, 17:18
This conjured up an amusing little scene in my mind of someone telling me to just stop being depressed, and me responding "Wait-wait-wait, you mean I can just stop?!? [long pause] Well, sh-t. Why didn't anyone ever tell ME that?"

See, if I said this, some of my friends and family would say, "That's right, you can stop being depressed any time you want to. You choose not to because I guess you feel you get something positive out of being depressed. I guess you enjoy being treated like a little immature whining baby that can't clean up after it shits itself. Now straighten up, stop being so selfish, stop trying to manipulate others, get a real job (note: I'm an adjunct professor of music at a college and teach piano privately), and join the rest of us adults in the real world. You have no right to feel bad; there are so many people who have it worse off than you."

 :grumpypuss: There is so much wrong with that attitude that I don't know where to begin. For your sake, I hope you spend as little time around those people as possible. If any so-called "friend" said something like that to me, we would cease to be friends.
Title: Re: "Sorry for the simple comic?"
Post by: Storel on 03 May 2015, 17:22
Go for it.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Jab on 04 May 2015, 00:13
The problem of course is that to someone who doesn't fully "get" Depression as an illness, people with depression just come across as self-centred, whiny babies. During "Mental Health Awareness" training as a Union Steward, I got to listen to a Professor who actually detailed the cold, hard reality that yes, people with Depression ARE a pain in the ass to deal with. He acknowledges that it's not their fault, but that the concept of being annoyed by depressed people is a real, natural thing. And that yes, Depression can feed into a person becoming very self-centred and self-obsessed. Depression is a horrible thing to go through, but it can also take a toll on everyone AROUND that person. I know several people with Depression, and while sympathetic to them, they are EASILY the most selfish people I know, because the disease breeds that into them- instead of helping you out or talking you through YOUR problems, they just wallow in self-pity and are unable to do anything.

It's whether or not someone can understand that it's NOT ALL THEIR FAULT, y'know?
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 04 May 2015, 01:28
I had a bout of severe anxiety. Disabling. The kind that affects the involuntary nervous system. On a scale of 1-20, about 18 (there was a test). You might have seen videos of WWI casualties with "shell shock", uncontrollable tremors etc. That was me.

It only lasted a month. I was lucky, usual prognosis is 3 years for a recovery - if that happens. It often doesn't.

It gave me an insight I'd lacked before, Oh I knew depression, anxiety, panic attacks weren't something sheer willpower could overcome, I knew theoretically. Intellectually. Academically.

But when it came to me, I was angry that I couldn't control it. Angry with myself. I knew it - but I hadn't believed it. Now I know it.

I hope I'm more sympathetic, and a better person, as the result. I couldn't help myself, so I'm not sure I can help others - just sympathise, and let them know that I understand and want to help.

Now where's that "make everything better" button again?

Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 04 May 2015, 01:42
Behind the bookcase.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 04 May 2015, 01:58
I know several people with Depression, and while sympathetic to them, they are EASILY the most selfish people I know, because the disease breeds that into them- instead of helping you out or talking you through YOUR problems, they just wallow in self-pity and are unable to do anything.
(bolding added)

Except for me, as a person with depression, it's not self-pity.  It's never been self-pity, and I don't wallow.  It's self-hatred, and rather than wallowing in it I drown in it.  I hate myself because I'm sure that everyone else hates me, and then I fear that people are thinking about me the way that you are, and that feeds into my anxiety, and then the anxiety feeds back into the depression and makes me hate myself more, and the whole thing spirals out of control until I reach suicidal ideation and have to go back to the hospital.  I fucking hate it when people think I'm "wallowing in self-pity" when in fact depression-me can't think of a single person less deserving of pity than I am.
It sounds to me as if you, in fact, are the selfish one.  Inability to "do anything" doesn't make a person selfish, it makes them disabled.  Inability to be your free therapist doesn't make a person selfish, either, it makes them not a therapist.  If I am selfish because my depression makes me stay in bed crying instead of fixing everyone's problems, then I suppose my mom must have been selfish as well when she needed the rest of the family to do the housework because weekly chemo treatments left her almost too weak to move.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Jab on 04 May 2015, 03:18
I know several people with Depression, and while sympathetic to them, they are EASILY the most selfish people I know, because the disease breeds that into them- instead of helping you out or talking you through YOUR problems, they just wallow in self-pity and are unable to do anything.
(bolding added)

Except for me, as a person with depression, it's not self-pity.  It's never been self-pity, and I don't wallow.  It's self-hatred, and rather than wallowing in it I drown in it.  I hate myself because I'm sure that everyone else hates me, and then I fear that people are thinking about me the way that you are, and that feeds into my anxiety, and then the anxiety feeds back into the depression and makes me hate myself more, and the whole thing spirals out of control until I reach suicidal ideation and have to go back to the hospital.  I fucking hate it when people think I'm "wallowing in self-pity" when in fact depression-me can't think of a single person less deserving of pity than I am.
It sounds to me as if you, in fact, are the selfish one.  Inability to "do anything" doesn't make a person selfish, it makes them disabled.  Inability to be your free therapist doesn't make a person selfish, either, it makes them not a therapist.  If I am selfish because my depression makes me stay in bed crying instead of fixing everyone's problems, then I suppose my mom must have been selfish as well when she needed the rest of the family to do the housework because weekly chemo treatments left her almost too weak to move.
Perhaps you misread my post, or at least misinterpreted it. I acknowledge fully that it's not the fault of the Depression-sufferer. They have a condition, same as anyone with a more-physically-apparent disease like cancer does. Someone suffering from cancer is ALSO hell on their friends & family, the way someone with depression is, and similarly, it is not their fault that they have the condition. While it obviously does not HELP the Depression-sufferer to hear this, that doesn't change the fact that it is true. It sucks all around.

I can see Self-Hatred in many of the people I know who've had depression, now that you mention it. But I've seen a lot of self-pity, too. People who couldn't help but go on and on about their problems, and craving sympathy from others (as a Union Steward where I work, I've seen this from near-strangers, as well). I would assume that with the many different kinds of depression, there would be many different results.

I don't expect friends to be a "free therapist"- that's a gross exaggeration of my point. That people with depression often can't do the most basic aspects of friendship (like being a shoulder to lean on) is my point. That particular case (the "ignoring your problems" bit) is not based on something that actually happened to me anyhow- it's a general reference to how people with depression can seem to others (and had happened to other friends I know). It's not just about me- the friends I have with Depression are often unable to basically care about ANYONE's problems in the group but their own. The disease MAKES people selfish, in the sense that they become self-obsessed- they're still selfish, but it's not their fault. That's part of why depression utterly SUCKS.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 04 May 2015, 06:58
As someone who lives with depression, both in my self and in friends/room mates... Yes I know how draining it can be on both sides of that fence. I try to keep my depression mostly to myself when I can. Because I know there's nothing that other people can do to help me. So when I am in a depressive phase, I will tend to isolate. I don't want to drag other people down, and I'm in no fit shape to be around people anyway. On the other hand it is incredibly tiring to be around people who just go on about the things wrong in their life, especially when there is nothing you can do to help, and/or they are not doing or can't do anything to help themselves. And usually it is the same issues over and over because they either aren't dealing with those issues, or they are things they can't do anything about. So yeah... It's not their fault, but it can be very draining to be around them. I look on it something like a life guard and  drowning person... If you see a friend going under, it's natural to want to help... but in their panicing it can be near impossible for a non-professional to help and they could wind up dragging you down too, without meaning to. I've been that person who tried to help everyone... and more often than not I've wound up paying for my kindness.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 04 May 2015, 12:16
The disease MAKES people selfish, in the sense that they become self-obsessed- they're still selfish, but it's not their fault. That's part of why depression utterly SUCKS.

I understand that illnesses of any kind are hard on the people who care about the patient, but you keep insisting that people with depression are selfish.  Selfishness is not caused by depression, it's caused by selfishness.  It's true that selfish people may use illnesses, either mental or physical, as an excuse for their selfishness, but just because they might claim depression as their reason doesn't make it so.  Anecdata time:
The most generous, selfless person I know is a friend of mine, whom we shall call Kelly, because this is not her name.  Kelly participates in almost every volunteer opportunity offered to her by the church she attends.  When her friends are sick, she brings them soup.  When her friends are sad, she bakes them cookies.  But Kelly also has depression.  Because of that, her rule for sad-friend-cookie-times is that she will provide cookies, hugs, and information about mental health resources if needed, but she can't listen to other people's problems or provide advice.  Also, when she has a depressive episode, she's not able to do all the kind things she normally does, but always apologizes.
The most heinous, selfish person I know is my aunt, my mom's sister, whom we shall call Nancy, because this is not her name, and because she insists on calling others "Negative Nancy" when they disagree with her.  Nancy has no illnesses, mental or physical.  But she is an incredibly selfish person and believes herself to be the center of the universe.  She is selfish all the time - she expects everyone to drop everything to do whatever she wants - but when she is sick or injured, she uses this as an excuse to try and get people to feel sorry for her.  There was a point in time when I was in high school when Nancy's selfishness was particularly absurd.  My mom had just had a radiation treatment, my sister had just had her wisdom teeth out, and I had just had foot surgery.  So all three of us were at home, in pain, resting, while my dad was at work.  Nancy dropped by without warning, and was furious that we hadn't prepared dinner for her or put on nice clothes before she came over.  Her "reason" for coming over and demanding to be fed, although she had been told weeks in advance that she couldn't rely on us during that week?  She had gotten a paper cut the previous evening and "couldn't cook."  I think we all wanted to strangle her.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 04 May 2015, 15:59
I don't think that depression makes people selfish. (or shelfish, although they can be solitary as an oyster) I think that sometimes selfish people have depression.

In addition to suffering from depression myself, I have several friends who also have depression. None of us experience it in the same ways. We support  each other to the extent that we are able.

But friendship is a two way street.

One friend, who lived a distance away from me, accused me of being a bad friend to her because I wasn't hanging out with her as much as I used to when we lived together. I admitted that it was my bad, and began making more time for her. but she flaked on me 75% of the time. No call, no show.

When I would ask her later, she would say "I'm sorry, I fell asleep" or "oops, I forgot". I know that sleeping very deeply or irregularly and forgetfulness can be symptoms of depression. But she was holding down a job, she was able to keep other commitments. I came to the conclusion that she clearly didn't prioritize my time, or my friendship. If she had, she would have called and said "sorry, I'm too tired, I need to crash." or something of that nature.

Needless to say, I stopped making time for her, and now I only invite her to things where other people will be attending, so that if she flakes, my time isn't wasted.

Maybe this makes me a bad friend, after all, I didn't do absolutely everything I could to be supportive for my friend who had depression. But friendship goes two ways, and her flaking on me all of the time was frustrating me, annoying me, and causing me to feel more anxiety.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 05 May 2015, 01:23
I think we're perhaps being a bit too reactionary to the word 'selfish' as being a criticism... I think depression can be extremely selfish, because you sometimes can't see past your own nose. It's just that it isn't your fault.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 05 May 2015, 03:41
Perhaps say "self-absorbed" rather than "selfish"; that comes over as less judgemental (though I agree it's not exactly the same).
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 May 2015, 06:34
I think self-absorbed sounds just as bad, honestly.
Title: Re: WCDT 2947-2951 (27 April to 1 May 2015)
Post by: Jab on 06 May 2015, 03:40
There's a lot of hits on Google for "Depression" and "Selfish", and often it's on sites that are attempting to help those WITH depression, in essence explaining why people with depression act the way that they do. It's even considered one of the warning signs for depression (though presumably it's hard to separate it from common douchebaggery). The problem is there's no word for "Selfish, but not your fault" in the English language, so it's hard to not make it sound confrontational. It's like someone being fat because they had a thyroid condition.

Here's an example: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/emotional-fitness/200907/10-little-known-facts-about-depression

I've had a lot of interactions with people who have depression- one of my best friends has it, an ex of his had it, and an ex-girlfriend of mine had it. Plus my best friend's wife has it to a lesser degree. The first three were all incredibly self-focused (is that a better term for it?), to an extent that would basically make them seem monstrous if it wasn't a medical condition causing it. My friend was constantly harping on about his own problems, once used self-harm to make a girl feel bad for going with another guy, and always drew attention to himself- his brother (my best friend) described their childhoods as him constantly attempting to get attention with loud caterwauling and "I'm SAD!" complaining, resulting in my best friend getting neglected a lot. He was notoriously self-absorbed- he thought nothing of borrowing or mooching off of others, but would FREAK if people asked the same of him. When called on behavior, he would often get defensive or just flat-out lie to escape criticism. It took him YEARS to mature a bit. And years before I realized that a lot of his behavior was a result of his depression- before that, he just seemed like an asshole.

And I realized years later while watching The Sopranos that Tony Soprano (also a Depressive) had many of the same character traits- he was an "eater"- someone who made everyone's lives hell and could only think of himself. Obviously Tony's sociopathy made things much worse on that end.

Both the girls were bad for drawing attention to themselves, giving their life stories to everyone they knew in order to get sympathy, and were horrible for borrowing money and eventually just STEALING things. Oddly, all three of these people were bad with money and frequently borrowed it without paying it back. Is that common with depression sufferers? It doesn't seem like it; maybe just a weird coincidence.

In any case, the most-normal is my friend's wife, who had the lowest-grade depression. And even she could descend into helplessness and self-absorption, making her husband do everything for her. But that's the disease, y'know?

I've also had co-workers with depression who sort of piled work and complaining onto others. This of course doesn't mean that other people I knew who were totally nice didn't suffer from it- but if that was the case, then they never revealed the condition to me. So I COULD just be using a small sample-size, but given that the only people I know who had depression were also the most-self-centred, AND it's corroborated by real scientific evidence in other cases, it seems pretty clear to me.

And that's kind of the shitty thing- someone who can't do anything to help someone because they had Cancer or some other disease would get sympathy, but the depressed generally do not, because it's not some physical thing you can clearly SEE. In every case, the person with the disease suffers, but also everyone AROUND them does, as they have to watch this person helplessly-fall. Sick people of all types often feel guilt for it (guilt naturally being the WORST thing for a Depressive), even though rationally they shouldn't. It's just the thing.