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Title: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 01 May 2015, 09:08
Dune.  Frank Herbert inspired George Lucas's Star Wars, Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000, as well as other scifi and fantasy stories with his novel about a Duke's son on a vital desert planet.

I remember being a little boy back in the 90s and seeing the cover art for the movie in blockbuster and wanted to see it but never got a chance to.  While staying at my sister's place for a week, her and her husband put in their DVD of the miniseries and had me watch a chapter a day for 3 days.  I was just amazed and sucked in by the end of the first of 3 movie chapters.  by the end of the third day I was mystified by this unique universe.  After watching the miniseries in I then picked up the movie to see how it is.  After they crash the thopter I just have to turn it off.  I just couldn't get into it.  The characters and cinematography was just too weird.  I introduced Dr. Fiancée to Dune about a year ago by watching the mini series.  She just loved it!  When we finished, BBC just so happened to be showing the movie the very next morning.  We caught it at the beginning, but again by the time of the thopter crash we were just sick of it.  Even with Picard there it was just unbearable.  I finally got around to reading the book last summer and thought it was amazing and the miniseries was quite close to the source material.

I do know that the movie has a cult following.  The Nostalgic Chick did a review of it back in 2010 or so.  She voiced her opinion, largely negative, and received a huge backlash from the movie fans.  So bad that she removed the video and put up a new video apologizing.  When I try to search the internet for gifs or pictures of the Dune miniseries, they are so few and even if I type "miniseries" I am still flooded with movie gifs and pictures.  It has lead me to believe that most people prefer the movie over the miniseries, and perhaps I am just in the minority.  I posted an "unpopular opinion puffin" on imgur saying I prefer the miniseries over the movie and was surprised that it was not an unpopular opinion at all. 

One of these days I would love to try to give the movie another chance and then perhaps make a youtube video comparing the movie with the miniseries.  I was shocked to see that there isn't any already!  I would talk about who has the better costumes, character portrayals, overarching story, special effects, etc.  Still trying to figure out how I want to do this but wouldn't mind getting some outside input here on their thoughts of all 3 depictions of Dune.

Long story short what is your opinion on the book, the movie, and the miniseries of the beloved universe of Dune?

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Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Neko_Ali on 01 May 2015, 09:38
The books are awesome, of course. They are the source of the whole thing, and they can and do go into much greater detail than movies of mini series can. I can't think of any sort of adaption where the book wasn't the better version.

The movie is where I and I think a lot of people started with Dune. Being the first, it tends to be the base line that people judge everything else from. Especially for the time it came out it was quite the awesome movie, full of some of the best things that make sci fi movies good. The actors and actresses were all great, the costuming and sets were fantastic. It does veer pretty far from the book at a number of points. But I honestly don't mind that so much. I looked on it as an alternate concept of some of the things. And others were just streamlined to fit into an already huge movie.

The mini series I thought was great, because it stuck closer to the book. It had more focus on the political aspects of the universe than the movie did. Being a mini series they could take that. I thought the costume design was excellent, but not as striking as in the movie. The action sequences I felt much the same about. However, I much preferred the actors of the movie over the series. The acting in the series was just a lot flatter to me. Nothing like Sting chewing up the scenes as Feyd. The casting of Paul in particular I didn't much like.

In the end, mostly I think it's a matter of what version you were exposed to first. More people are more fond of the movie because it came out much earlier than the series.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: celticgeek on 01 May 2015, 13:35
I read the book, more or less when it first came out.  I also enjoyed the movie, despite the liberties taken with the book.

I have not seen the series, but I am planning to do so at some point.

While on the subject of the movie (http://www.amazon.com/Making-Dune-Ed-Naha/dp/0425073769/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1430512315&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Making+of+Dune), I enjoyed reading this account of the making of Dune.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Kugai on 01 May 2015, 14:17
The Books are one of the classics of Science Fiction and it's always great to drag them out every so often and read through them.  I've not yet read any of the books that have been written by his son, but I do plan to.

The Movie ........ I'm in two minds about.  Granted, it was a serious attempt to film a book that, up until that time, had been considered unfilmable (much as Tolkiens books were once considered).  It's flawed, and at times cringe worthy, but I have to give them marks for the attempt even though I'm not a big fan of it.

The Mini-series was, IMHO, a better attempt to follow the books as closely as possible.  It too has it's flaws, but is a much better attempt than the Movie.  I enjoyed it when I first saw it much more then the Movie, and if there ever is a firther attempt to film the Dune books again, I think that the Mini-series would be a better comparison to go from than the Movie.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 01 May 2015, 19:03
I have not seen the series, but I am planning to do so at some point.

*cough* part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYYVRTWmjY) *cough*
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: BeoPuppy on 02 May 2015, 07:26
Love the books.

The original books.

Not the ones by Herbert fils.

So now I pretend that the series ends after book six. And that works just fine.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Gladstone on 02 May 2015, 12:19
The original books.

Not the ones by Herbert fils.

I tried several times to read Dune when I was younger, but always quit less than 100 pages in.  So boring.  And yet, I loved the Brian Herbert/KJA "House ___" prequel trilogy.  Admittedly, I was only in 8th or 9th grade at the time, so my judgement wasn't the best.  I should give the originals another try...
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: pwhodges on 02 May 2015, 12:20
So now I pretend that the series ends after book six. And that works just fine.

For me it stops working after three.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Kugai on 02 May 2015, 14:46
I have not seen the series, but I am planning to do so at some point.

*cough* part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYYVRTWmjY) *cough*

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Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: pwhodges on 02 May 2015, 15:38
Yeah, here too.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Active Madness on 02 May 2015, 17:17
So now I pretend that the series ends after book six. And that works just fine.

For me it stops working after three.

I do the same, I've tried to read the last three books in the series, but can't get through them. The first three are perfect, though.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: BeoPuppy on 03 May 2015, 01:32
You're the first people I've heard of (seen of) who think and feel like that. Care to share why?
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: pwhodges on 03 May 2015, 09:12
I think it was no more than that I read the first three books when they were the only ones, and failed to recapture the excitement when I later picked up the others.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Stoon on 03 May 2015, 19:30
So now I pretend that the series ends after book six. And that works just fine.

For me it stops working after three.
Me too.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: BeoPuppy on 04 May 2015, 00:06
Wow. There's a whole lot of you ...
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Orbert on 05 May 2015, 10:17
I'm fine with all six of the orignal books, but I can see why some people have trouble after the first three.  The first three are tight, with Messiah practically an epilogue, and Children following close after.  God Emperor starts 1500 years later (IIRC) and with a new set of characters, which can be off-putting.  Sure, Leto II is around, and Duncan (kinda), but we almost immediately dive into explorations of religion and mythology, as well as further exploration the life cycle of the sandworm and the planetary life web of Arrakis, but first off, there's apparently people who want Leto II dead, and it's a movement led by one of his descendants.  And of course Leto II has evolved into a human/sandworm hybrid thing.  That's some weird shit there.

It's been a while, but I believe the fifth and sixth books also jump forward in time, checking in on the mythology and how it has evolved over time.  I thought it was fascinating.  And I liked the further exploration and development of the Bene Tleilaxu and all that.  But the later three books seem to sacrifice actual storytelling for all this conceptual stuff, and a lot of people at least need a coherent story to follow, with characters they like or at least can relate to.  We don't get much of that in the later three books.  It's all this "heady" stuff.  Not everyone's cup of tea.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: pwhodges on 05 May 2015, 11:33
There's that, which fits my view; plus the fact that when I read the first three they were the whole series anyway, and the felt complete (I thought I'd posted that, but I must have pressed the wrong button).
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: celticgeek on 05 May 2015, 11:36
I have not seen the series, but I am planning to do so at some point.

*cough* part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYYVRTWmjY) *cough*

The problem was never where it was, but getting through the first ten or fifteen minutes. 

I have now watched the whole thing.  Better than the movie in some respects, worse in others.  Neither the movie nor the series was as good as the book.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Akima on 06 May 2015, 06:45
For me it stops working after three.
Same here. I wasn't impressed with God Emperor of Dune, and when Herbert started getting his characters out of tricky situations by having them spontaneously develop superpowers in Heretics of Dune, I lost interest completely.

Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Orbert on 06 May 2015, 09:55
Herbert has always done that, though.  As much as I love the original Dune, I still laugh to myself at one scene where Paul and Jessica are trying to get away from the bad guys.  Paul uses Voice on them, and Jessica thinks "Whoa, he can use Voice.  Cool."  Then he ramps it up a bit, pulls some extended Neuralyzer on them, and she thinks "He has the Great Control!" 

Really, Frank?  The "Great Control"?  And yeah, we'd never even heard of it up to that point.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Akima on 06 May 2015, 18:23
At least the Voice had been introduced earlier in the book, and Jessica's training of Paul in that skill is discussed. Jessica's reference to the Great Control avoids "exposition speak (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Exposition)" and "as you know (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AsYouKnow)" dialogue. I don't think there's any excuse for Miles Teg spontaneously turning into the Flash (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NewPowersAsThePlotDemands).
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: BeoPuppy on 07 May 2015, 03:21
Never bothered me ... gholas do weird shit is probably the hand wave I completely bought into.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Orbert on 07 May 2015, 08:22
Yeah, Paul having The Great Control was actually kinda cool, and even made sense; I guess it's just the name that gets me.  It did get us past a lot of unnecessary exposition.  Obviously, The Great Control is a thing, very few have it, and Jessica recognizes it, all in a few quick sentences.  And I suppose the Bene Gesserit prefer to keep things simple.  If it's just called Voice, then I suppose The Great Control is what you'd call... um... having great control.

Miles Teg was badass.  He always could become The Flash; he just didn't like to show off.  Seriously though, while I understand the complaint, to me it was just another thing he could do that we just hadn't had a chance to see before because the situation never came up.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 21 Nov 2016, 12:40
Legendary Pictures have acquired the film rights to Frank Herbert's Dune as of today.
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/legendary-dune-frank-herbert-1201923648/ (http://variety.com/2016/film/news/legendary-dune-frank-herbert-1201923648/)
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Kugai on 21 Nov 2016, 13:02
Hmmmm

It would be interesting to see if they'll take another stab at it and how good or bad that will be.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 20 Jul 2018, 08:05
They have announced a Dune movie slated for 2019. As of right now it is in pre-production with Timothee Chalamet to be Paul and its to be directed by Denis Villeneuve (The Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Sicario).

I still cannot get through the David Lynch movie so I hope it does better than it.  I liked the SciFi mini series (if only they had better production) and loved the book.  I hope this one does well and honors the book.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: hedgie on 20 Jul 2018, 10:56
Bless the Maker and all his water.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Theta9 on 20 Jul 2018, 14:51
So much wrong with the Lynch movie. Like "weirding" being a physical weapon that gives the Fremen an advantage in battle. It was enough for me that they grow up in the harshest environment and are totally badass as a result (as are the Sardukar).
And Paul literally MAKES IT RAIN at the end, never mind that he's just killed all the sandworms and destroyed the spice forever  :oops:

The miniseries is far superior to Lynch's abortion, though the definitive version is of course the novel. I made it through the first four and there's a definite perceptible decline as one continues.

And I have no great opinion of Kevin Anderson and Brian Herbert riffling the corpse for loose change.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 15 Feb 2019, 11:37
some more casting announcements:

Timothee Chalamet as Paul Atreides
Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto Atreides
Rebecca Ferguson as Lady Jessica
Stellan Skarsgård as Baron Harkonnen
Javier Bardem as Stilgar
Josh Brolin as Gurney
Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho
Charlotte Rampling as reverend mother
Dave Bautista as Rabban
Zendaya as Chani (She is only rumored at this point)
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Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 15 Feb 2019, 21:16
I'm interested in this, so I'll chime in for now by saying that I've read the first Dune book only.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Theta9 on 16 Feb 2019, 07:16
I'm interested in this, so I'll chime in for now by saying that I've read the first Dune book only.
Quit while you're ahead.
The rest are non-essential, and I had to tap out after the fourth.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Theta9 on 16 Feb 2019, 07:23
I still cannot get through the David Lynch movie so I hope it does better than it.  I liked the SciFi mini series (if only they had better production) and loved the book.  I hope this one does well and honors the book.
A production with the story from the miniseries, and the set design and costuming of Lynch's film, would be about as close to perfect as I could reasonably ask for.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 16 Feb 2019, 10:17
I still cannot get through the David Lynch movie so I hope it does better than it.  I liked the SciFi mini series (if only they had better production) and loved the book.  I hope this one does well and honors the book.
A production with the story from the miniseries, and the set design and costuming of Lynch's film, would be about as close to perfect as I could reasonably ask for.

I like the Atreides costumes from the movie, but I prefer the miniseries' Harkonnen and Fremen costumes.  The stillsuits look too much like skinned xenomorphs (thanks to Giger) in the movies that I can't unsee it, whereas the ones in the miniseries seemed more practical for the desert. I would prefer something different than both for this movie though as far as the stillsuits go. Also no internal monologues. Just no. The sardaukar looked terrible in both mediums.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: hedgie on 16 Feb 2019, 11:00
Yes, but the silliness of their uniforms is the true secret behind the sardaukar's strength as a fighting force.  They're sent out looking like that and have something to prove.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 16 Feb 2019, 14:18
Haha. I suppose that could be said about both of them. Although the movie sardaukar are just in harkonnan garb the whole time right? I know we see them in their normal digs in the mini series but do not recall that happening in the movie.

mini series during the banquet for the Atreides.
(https://img.fireden.net/tg/image/1532/80/1532806064558.jpg)

In the movie, looks like they are hanging out with the Harknonan in similar garb:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/23/93/1e2393e8f48ed6b21e01e35d4cd68918.png)

What I would prefer in the new movie:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4d/80/b5/4d80b5bb97d82d53f0a43cb390c3c1cc.jpg)

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/2090c798-effa-40fd-ad79-81ecd90e379d/db0j3y9-ac08cb3b-8014-4249-879f-3d66f7a71dc5.jpg/v1/fill/w_1063,h_751,q_70,strp/sardaukar_by_haco1_db0j3y9-pre.jpg)
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: War Sparrow on 17 Feb 2019, 13:09
I enjoyed the first and second Dune books. I'm not thrilled about the third, and I liked the fourth. The last two were fine. Needless to say, the second miniseries was not for me; but the soundtrack is awesome.

As the only person on the planet who didn't like Arrival, I am cautiously optimistic about this movie.

Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 17 Feb 2019, 18:15
Possibly.  :-o
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 19 Mar 2019, 07:26
As of 3/18/2019 they have started filming!


Looks like they are breaking it up into 2 movies.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 19 Mar 2019, 23:21
That is pleasing. It's an acknowledgement that the novel is too big to squeeze into a single film, but they haven't succumbed to the temptation to pad it out to a trilogy.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 20 Mar 2019, 08:35
I think it helps to know that their are book sequels to keep the cash cow going if its successful. I just hope they don't cut production on part 2 if part 1 flops at the box office.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: cybersmurf on 20 Mar 2019, 09:48
They will, otherwise they'd be shooting both now.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 20 Mar 2019, 12:22
I know, thats why I hope it doesn't flop.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: hedgie on 20 Mar 2019, 12:55
First, I just hope that it doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 14 Apr 2020, 16:32
Due to Coronavirus the release date has been pushed back. Some pictures have been posted of the production though:

(https://i.imgur.com/QcxnbRU.jpg)
Paul and Jessica

(https://i.imgur.com/wBbNsvg.jpg)
Duke Leto

(https://i.imgur.com/WzVRaCV.jpg)
Liet Kynes

(https://i.imgur.com/lft111p.jpg)
Chani

(https://i.imgur.com/2G0VXts.jpg)
Lady Jessica

(https://i.imgur.com/HNFFcjo.jpg)
Stilgar on the right

(https://i.imgur.com/bPYQuBr.jpg)
Gurney

(https://i.imgur.com/uG1L6Qd.png)
Duncan Idaho

(https://i.imgur.com/Fw1NngQ.png)
The House Atreides: Timothée Chalamet as Paul Atreides, Stephen Mckinley Henderson as Thufir Hawat, Oscar Isaac as Duke Leto Atreides, Rebecca Ferguson as Lady Jessica Atreides, Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck and Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho



The books was notorious for leaving out details on how people were dressed and what things looked like (maybe an offhanded comment on Paul having black hair like his fathers), but I do remember they said that house Atreides uniforms/clothes were black and their symbol was a red hawk. Looks like they got the black down. Plus some battle armor is a cool idea considering melee combat is a thing. I am also really digging these stillsuits.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 14 Apr 2020, 22:33
I could let myself be a teensy bit hyped for this.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: cybersmurf on 15 Apr 2020, 10:03
Given the amount of well known  actors in this means either the script is quite good, or they spent too much on actor manpower and the book adaptation sucks hard.

In the meantime I managed to finish the first book. My imagination of Duke Leto is somewhat taller and more slender than Oscar Isaac, but he might pull it off.
What I am wondering about: the first book didn't exactly have a proper ending, but not like a cliffhanger. It's quite apparent the author had more story to tell, and I wonder whether they'll continue if these movies prove to be successful.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Theta9 on 15 Apr 2020, 10:25
In the meantime I managed to finish the first book. My imagination of Duke Leto is somewhat taller and more slender than Oscar Isaac, but he might pull it off.
What I am wondering about: the first book didn't exactly have a proper ending, but not like a cliffhanger. It's quite apparent the author had more story to tell, and I wonder whether they'll continue if these movies prove to be successful.
Read Dune Messiah and Children of Dune if you must, but I recommend you read no farther. I slogged through God Emperor and bounced off of Heretics.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Torlek on 15 Apr 2020, 15:14
Having admittedly only read synopses of the books, everything after God Emperor just strikes me as unnecessarily dragging out the end.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Akima on 22 Apr 2020, 19:38
Paul and Jessica
Yes, Rebecca Ferguson (36) totally looks old enough to be Timothée Chalamet's (24) mother... :roll:

Of course Francesca Annis didn't look old enough to be Kyle MacLachlan's mother either in David Lynch's adaptation. The basic problem is that movies invariably cast actors who are far too old in the role of Paul Atreides, who was sixteen when House Atreides took over the fief of Arrakis. Lady Jessica was thirty-seven at the beginning of the first novel, so Ms Ferguson is fine, but Mr Chalamet not so much.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: cybersmurf on 24 Apr 2020, 01:04
The basic problem is that movies invariably cast actors who are far too old in the role of Paul Atreides, [...].

Look at spiderman. Until Tom Holland, you had actors WAAAAAY too old for portraying a teenager.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: sitnspin on 24 Apr 2020, 09:49
Teenagers are difficult to work with on a movie set. There are all kinds of rules and laws when it comes to working with minors that make shooting a film with them as a main character troublesome. It is also difficult to find teenage actors with the amount of experience casting directors are usually looking for. There is also the added problem, in case you are doing a franchise or series, of how fast they age.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 24 Apr 2020, 19:00
Taika Waititi seems to have a knack for successfully casting young actors into his excellent films.

They could have shot both films now if they were concerned about aging actors.

On the other hand, I doubt that Timothée Chalamet gets into many pubs or bars without being challenged to show ID. So I don't think his casting is totally inappropriate.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Akima on 05 May 2020, 18:17
Teenagers are difficult to work with on a movie set.
The Harry Potter movies demonstrate that these problems are manageable.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: hedgie on 05 May 2020, 18:36
And there are some directors who are quite able to work well with young people, and get amazing performances.  Look at the Swedish films "We Are The Best", and "Fucking Åmal", for example.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: sitnspin on 05 May 2020, 20:42
The problems are obviously not insurmountable, but given the option it is unsurprising that most productions would rather avoid them altogether when possible.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Case on 06 May 2020, 03:11
The books was notorious for leaving out details on how people were dressed and what things looked like (maybe an offhanded comment on Paul having black hair like his fathers), but I do remember they said that house Atreides uniforms/clothes were black and their symbol was a red hawk. Looks like they got the black down. Plus some battle armor is a cool idea considering melee combat is a thing. I am also really digging these stillsuits.

I think I recall something about the Atreides being descended from Alexander the Great, and having 'olive skin'? Not sure that's in F. Herbert's books, though, could be in the sequels that his son wrote with KJA (Yes, I read some of them - sometimes I suffer insomnia and will read anything that happens to stray onto my Kindle. And yes, they're bad ...).

As to looks: The Dune Universe is set 10.000 years into our future. There's genetic studies of La Brana 1 (https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/this-is-how-europeans-looked-7-000-years-ago-548938), a hunter-gatherer who lived in Spain 7000 years ago - blue-eyed, closest genetic relation apparently modern-day Scandinavians and ... dark-skinned - "African variants for the pigmentation genes" (also lactose-intolerant).

Or meet 'Cheddar Man', the 'first modern Briton':

(https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/07103012/cheddar_man_for_web.jpg?width=778)

Who knows what people in 10.000 years will look like?
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 27 Jun 2020, 19:37
MELAAAAANGE

Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 28 Jun 2020, 07:29
The books was notorious for leaving out details on how people were dressed and what things looked like (maybe an offhanded comment on Paul having black hair like his fathers), but I do remember they said that house Atreides uniforms/clothes were black and their symbol was a red hawk. Looks like they got the black down. Plus some battle armor is a cool idea considering melee combat is a thing. I am also really digging these stillsuits.

I think I recall something about the Atreides being descended from Alexander the Great, and having 'olive skin'?

Agamemnon actually and I think they do mention it in the Dune book either in the story itself early on or somewhere in the back with the extra content.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Farideh on 28 Jun 2020, 14:42
I'm interested in this, so I'll chime in for now by saying that I've read the first Dune book only.
Ditto.


I once tried watching the movie, and my father almost physically blocked me off from the screen while yelling: "No, it's a terrible movie! You'll hate it!" :D

Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Tova on 29 Jun 2020, 04:14
Do you know, I've never seen it.

Perversely, the negative reviews that previously discouraged me from seeing it now make me want to watch it.
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Post by: JoeCovenant on 29 Jun 2020, 04:24
Hi... I'm Joe and I'm a Dune non-hater....

Is it as good as the books? Not remotely.
But is it, for it's time, a decent enough crack at opening the saga? I thought so.
For one of those "Unfilmable books" I thought it did okay.
BUT, I've always been a little sad that the version with Giger's set concepts was never brought to fruition.

All that said, if ever a film needed remaking with modern tech, and "we don't much care how long it runs" mentality... Dune is it.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Case on 29 Jun 2020, 11:37
I'm interested in this, so I'll chime in for now by saying that I've read the first Dune book only.
Ditto.
I once tried watching the movie, and my father almost physically blocked me off from the screen while yelling: "No, it's a terrible movie! You'll hate it!" :D

I see what he means - I guess anybody who has been through both the book and the movie would - though that seems a bit extreme to me.

It's not as good as the book. It deviates from the book in weird, awkward ways. Sometimes weird, awkward and reallyreally bad ways. The closing scene is beyond terrible. It doesn't even try to do justice to many of the myriad philosophical themes Herbert crammed into that one monster of a book (*).

But the visual aesthetics, the feel of Arrakis, are brilliant (... except, yknow, when they're not... ) . And he does a good job transporting the sheer weirdness of the Dune-Universe to the screen, the audacity of a vision so different from everything else. It's a pretty mixed bag, IMO - the things Lynch gets right are glorious, those he gets wrong are pretty horrible.

I think it's better to watch the movie before you (re-)read the book, otherwise the 'modifications' that Lynch made are probably pretty jarring, and likely to ruin your enjoyment of the things he does get right.

And I think that while the movie isn't strictly speaking a part of the Dune canon, it does have its place in the Dune experience.

(*) Though I guess one could argue that Herbert didn't always succeed in bringing his vision to paper, either - I've been through Dune four times,, but I don't feel I ever really 'got' his vision of how clairvoyance in the Dune verse works, or all the implications he was trying so hard to convey. I guess some things were much clearer in his mind than they are on paper. Or maybe it's just me?
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Post by: Farideh on 29 Jun 2020, 14:29
I'm terrible when it comes to 'watching movies based on books that I've already read'. I'm such a stickler for the details, to the point that I just walk away so I don't ruin the movie for my husband. He doesn't really like it when I keep a running commentary of how a certain scene isn't in the book, or is in the book and should've been included in the movie, or that they took such massive liberties with the story line (looking at you, 'Ready, Player One')
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Post by: Tova on 29 Jun 2020, 19:41
I'm actually the opposite. I do not in general think it is to the benefit of a film to try to stuff in every detail of the book being adapted. It's the filmmaker's job to ask how each detail in a book either progresses the plot or characterisation, and ask themselves whether there is a more concise and cinematic way of achieving the same goal. The language of cinema is very different to that of a novel, and the only way that a film can be "as good as" the book is to adopt that language and play to the medium's strengths.
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Post by: Farideh on 29 Jun 2020, 21:02
Good point, I explained myself badly.

Yes, it's impossible to put every little book detail into a movie. Even smaller books would turn into 12 hour movies at that rate, and let's not even talk about LotR. What mostly annoys me is when the movie storyline differs wildly from the one in the book, to the point where the biggest similarities are the names of the main characters. I've seen some very good movie adaptations, like 'The Hunger Games', or 'Rosemary's Baby'.

Then again, I sometimes take offense at movies for depicting things differently than the way I imagined it. That's my problem, not the movie's :)
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Case on 30 Jun 2020, 09:29
I'm similar, especially as regards the running commentary - what is it with people who don't like a running commentary? - though maybe a little less put off by deviations, judging by how you describe your experience.

I don't know anyone who'd prefer the movie to the book, so watching it is not a must. For me, having seen the movie before reading the book strongly enhanced the experience, but I still consider the book(s) the real deal. I see it rather as an 'addon' to the books. The visual anesthetics are (mostly) very, very good - there's a reason why parts of the imagery from that flick have become so iconic, and still persist in peoples' minds today, even after the (better, and more faithful) adaptation into a miniseries

I'd say give it a try - but don't watch it with your husband (especially not if he hasn't been through either book or movie). Get yourself a glass of  good wine, and see if you can make it through all the way. At worst, you'll just find it horrible, but that won't ruin the book for you. At best, your mind's eye will have some pretty good setpieces and imagary at hand the next time you read the book. .
 (If, ototh, you don't plan to re-read Dune again at some point, I don't think you'll gain that much from watching the movie.)

As far as adaptations go, It's not in the same league as Paul Jackson's LOTR - not even in the same solar system, tbh - but it does try, and sometimes, it succeeds.
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Post by: Farideh on 30 Jun 2020, 14:00
I might give that a go :) At worst, I 'waste' a bit of time
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Post by: Case on 30 Jun 2020, 16:12
Sorry, didn't mean to patronize you - I do get carried away sometimes, I'm afraid.  :oops:
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Post by: Farideh on 30 Jun 2020, 16:42
Rest assured that I did not feel patronized. Any suggestion that amounts to 'watch a movie and drink some wine' sits well with me ;)
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 02 Sep 2020, 17:55
A teaser trailer has leaked and is visible in theaters. It revealed that a full trailer will release Sept 9th followed by trailer clips of the movie, and reading around the net the movie is slated to come out in theaters Dec 18th. I was able to catch it on twitter and it gave me chills! I. AM. SO. HYPED!

Unfortunately WB has been going ham on take downs of the video on youtube, twitter, and other social media so its hard to find for me to link.

Edit: I found this one on reddit and its from someone that captured it with his phone in a theater.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/ikgiu5/dune_teaser_trailer/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/ikgiu5/dune_teaser_trailer/)

Its a very rough recording, but I am still hyped!
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 09 Sep 2020, 09:35
Trailer drop!

Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: hedgie on 09 Sep 2020, 11:08
Damn, I hope that it's safe enough to go to a cinema when this thing comes out.
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Post by: oddtail on 09 Sep 2020, 11:34
The trailer is pretty neat. And I'm in for any movie Dave Bautista plays a role in. For some reason I have a deep fondness for his acting, despite having seen him in, like, GotG and the new Blade Runner only.
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Post by: Farideh on 09 Sep 2020, 13:51
I've got chills!

Then again, I've always been a sucker for a good trailer :)
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: LeeC on 05 Oct 2020, 16:03
Looks like they're pushing release back to 2021. I think they're hoping it will be safer then what with the pandemic and all.
Title: Re: Dune: Book, Movie, Miniseries.
Post by: Farideh on 05 Oct 2020, 16:30
That makes sense, but I don't like having to wait longer :(