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Title: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2015, 06:29
Well, a great QC milestone is nearly upon us! Will Jeph celebrate it with some special revelation or major new plot twist? Will we look back on this Friday's strip and say "That's the day when everything changed"?

Personally, I don't think so. My call is that the most likely subject of Friday's strip will be Clinton and Emily deciding if the want to continue dating and thus be an official couple. That doesn't stop me speculating to the edge of plausible suspension of disbelief and beyond in the poll. so, please, treat it in the way I intended it and let yourself go wild! Add your own ideas in a comment too! It's all in good fun!

For me, the maddest but most fun option would be #6. After all, a plausible outcome of that scenario would be Marten and Hanners being put on a bus as they head out to California to start their new life as rock stars!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: KOK on 05 Jul 2015, 10:31
How so "not a real girl?" An alien? A panda in disguise? An elf?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2015, 10:41
How so "not a real girl?" An alien? A panda in disguise? An elf?

In whatever way the voter wants.

My personal favourites is a CARA (Child Affection Replacement Android) with an experimental 'natural growth to adulthood' chassis or a genetically engineered 'perfect girl' but where the experiment failed and instead led to some autism-like social skills learning disabilities.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 05 Jul 2015, 11:32
How so "not a real girl?" An alien? A panda in disguise? An elf?

An eldritch being?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 05 Jul 2015, 11:35
An amoeboid plasma creature from Rigel IX wearing a heavily insulated human suit?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 05 Jul 2015, 11:41
When she was a baby, Emily's biological parents launched her into space to escape the imminent destruction of her home world... No, wait, that's been done.

An accidental overdose of gamma radiation... Nah, nobody would believe that.

Bitten by a radioactive loon... Hm, now we're on to something.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Jul 2015, 11:51
This week: Dogs!  :clairedoge:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Jul 2015, 12:47
Don't we already HAVE an answer to Amazigirl? Pizzagirl? Maybe, Vespavenger as like, an evil version?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 05 Jul 2015, 13:58
How so "not a real girl?" An alien? A panda in disguise? An elf?

Mass hallucination of the fourth-wall-breaking kind.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 05 Jul 2015, 14:18
"I am a Real Girl." And Clinton's middle name is Lars.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 05 Jul 2015, 14:30
She's a Replicant
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 05 Jul 2015, 15:11
Plot twist: So is Clinton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 05 Jul 2015, 18:00
Northampton's real name is Emily Grove.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: mustang6172 on 05 Jul 2015, 18:11
I think Angus will come back.  The Nightly Show's ratings haven't been great.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 05 Jul 2015, 18:17
AMAZI-GIRL: "I never asked QC a single question!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 05 Jul 2015, 18:56
And comic.

I don't like how that can go Claire. If nature follows its curse with your brother and Emily it can only end in absolute disaster for the entirety of Northhampton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 05 Jul 2015, 19:04
Claire, you annoyed the hell out of me when you were first introduced.  But you have just managed to reach a whole level of awesome…  If not two or three.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 05 Jul 2015, 19:08
I dunno. A grown woman referring to a pair of wolves as a 'boy wolf' and a 'girl wolf' just feels weird to me. As in, it's a choice of words I'd expect Sam to use rather than Claire, despite her bouts of immaturity at times.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 05 Jul 2015, 19:13
So, looks like Clinton and Emily won't be present for #3000.  Now, where are Marten and Claire going?  Library's probably out (otherwise Claire would've arranged a cute-meet meet-cute there), and we've visited both Marten's and Veronica's apartments in recent weeks, so that leaves us with Coffee of Doom or Secret Bakery, I hope.  Would be nice to see either, but I hope we get to check up on Dora.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 05 Jul 2015, 19:21
I dunno. A grown woman referring to a pair of wolves as a 'boy wolf' and a 'girl wolf' just feels weird to me. As in, it's a choice of words I'd expect Sam to use rather than Claire, despite her bouts of immaturity at times.

I don't know what you mean. Maybe it's a cultural area thing, because I'm 22, and I'd see that as the easiest non-scientific way to describe that pairing. Most of the people around me would too, from the way they talk about dog breeding. It's just the simplest terms.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Jul 2015, 19:26
Also she's a 24-year-old grad student. I mean, technically an adult, but...yeah.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 05 Jul 2015, 20:21
Neither of them knew?

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 05 Jul 2015, 20:40
If we're back on M&C, on one hand it might be a bit early...

But on the OTHER hand I think the 3k milestone would be the perfect place for a "I love you".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 05 Jul 2015, 20:54
I dunno, an "I love you" doesn't feel very milestone-ish for those two just yet.  Although they went from hand-holding to banging in less than a week, there hasn't been a lot of development since, relationship-wise.  Still a bit too early for it to have any real dramatic impact.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 05 Jul 2015, 21:05
I dunno, an "I love you" doesn't feel very milestone-ish for those two just yet.  Although they went from hand-holding to banging in less than a week, there hasn't been a lot of development since, relationship-wise.  Still a bit too early for it to have any real dramatic impact.

You don't see Claire saying that too soon in the relationship, because it's her first, freaking Marten out being a possible source of drama?

Let's face it. Marten's been too chill about all this. I wouldn't mind a source of relationship drama between them, especially one that isn't arbitrary, introduced solely by an outside source or with Only Bad Endings possible.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 05 Jul 2015, 21:18
I dunno, I can't see Marten freaking out over it.  Probably because he has been too chill.  You're right about that.  Aside from the contrived phone call misunderstanding during Faye's relapse, everything else in the relationship has gone so well that I can't imagine an "I love you" from either character feeling anything but milquetoast at this point.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 05 Jul 2015, 22:48
Not sure about you all, but to me the last panel of Friday's comic didn't necessarily look like it was going to a good place. With Emily, you have to be willing to sit back and enjoy the ride; being able to appreciate the unexpected is essential. But Clinton seemed to be reverting to uptight form. The Clinton-Emily pairing could end up fizzling, and from Clinton's point of view it might look as if Claire's meddling is what finished it off.

Bear in mind that smooth relationship sailing doth not necessarily an interesting webcomic make. If Claireten is all warm fuzzies, somebody else may need to have troubles in order to balance out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Radium_Coyote on 05 Jul 2015, 23:33
I don't think this works out how most of you think.  Claire says "Mission accomplished."

Meanwhile, Clinton is being exposed to ways in which which tradition "this worked out" are utterly meaningless.

He's in love with Emily, whether he knows it or not, but she's not in any sense previously sailed shores.  Nothing anyone has previously done COULD have prepared him.  Here's the scary thing:

As his FIRST LOVE: this is the one who sets the bar.  If it does NOT work out, Emily is who you have to beat, to be Clint's lover.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 05 Jul 2015, 23:48
Okay, whilst it's cute to see Claire in a bubbly mood and it's a bit of character development to learn that she's got a talent for sneakily arranging stuff (including her brother's life, if he's being indecisive) this may not end well.

Claire's intentions are good: She feels that the only way to get Clinton out of his indecision loop and comfort zone is to put him in a situation where he has no choice but to talk to Emily. However, this could blow up in her face if Clinton does something stupid or says something hurtful because he's off balance. Then she'd be partially responsible for her best friend's heart being broken and her brother's nose being broken... again.

So, looks like Clinton and Emily won't be present for #3000. 

Maybe and maybe not. This could just be a jump-away interlude to explain exactly how Clinton and Emily ended up in the park together. We could go back to the other couple tomorrow.

Now, where are Marten and Claire going?

Personally, the thought that Claire and Clinton met during Claire's lunch break is fairly sound. She and Marten could be going back to the library as it could be Emily's day off.

FWIW, whilst I think that we'll be switching back to Emily and Clinton, it is possible that we will be getting a set of update strips on the Claireten ship (especially if there has been a big time skip and Jeph wants to emphasise that in the narrative). However, as I say, I think going back to Emily and Clinton is more likely.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Jul 2015, 00:09
Velllllly schneekey Claire

And well done.




Comic #3000 - One page, Clin-ton with a big grin on his face leaving Emily's place.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: anahata on 06 Jul 2015, 00:29
I don't think this works out how most of you think.  Claire says "Mission accomplished."

Claire's mission was to get the two of them in the same place (and a good place) and talking to each other. She's certainly accomplished that: I don't think Claire has specific plans for what happens next.

Comic #3000 - One page, Clin-ton with a big grin on his face leaving Emily's place.
You think it's going to be that easy for Clinton?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Jul 2015, 00:38
Comic #3000 - One page, Clin-ton with a big grin on his face leaving Emily's place.

You think it's going to be that easy for Clinton?

It may be that easy for Emily.

Let me explain what I mean: I think that this is going to be one of those relationships where the woman is the more decisive and influential personality. Emily is going to take the lead simply because Clinton is too easily suggestible and too indecisive without Emily's prompting. If they do have sex, it will be because Emliy leads Clinton to it and initiates it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Jul 2015, 01:20
If the 3000th post turns out to be just Steve eating some cereal while reading the paper, then looking out the window when a car honks, then going back to his paper, for four panels, I would laugh myself inside out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Tova on 06 Jul 2015, 02:11
I don't think this works out how most of you think.  Claire says "Mission accomplished."

Claire's mission was to get the two of them in the same place (and a good place) and talking to each other. She's certainly accomplished that: I don't think Claire has specific plans for what happens next.

Yes, well, she does say as much in the fourth panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: anahata on 06 Jul 2015, 02:31
It may be that easy for Emily.
...
If they do have sex, it will be because Emily leads Clinton to it and initiates it.

Well yes, but that's pre-supposing that Clinton is already sufficiently attractive to Emily for her to want to do that.
On the other hand maybe - De gustibus non est disputandum, especially where Emily's concerned.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 06 Jul 2015, 06:15
If the 3000th post turns out to be just Steve eating some cereal while reading the paper, then looking out the window when a car honks, then going back to his paper, for four panels, I would laugh myself inside out.

Sara.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 06 Jul 2015, 06:22
The idea that first nookie for Clinton/Emily happens by end of week seems wildly premature. There's miles to go before we're anywhere close to that; particularly with someone like Clinton, who's both inexperienced and methodical, we'll need to go through many stages first. First hand-holding, first hug, first kiss, first makeout session, etc. Plus angst in between each. And all assuming neither blows it by saying something stupid that scares the other away.

Much more likely we're going to see first spat between these two.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Jul 2015, 06:40
If the 3000th post turns out to be just Steve eating some cereal while reading the paper, then looking out the window when a car honks, then going back to his paper, for four panels, I would laugh myself inside out.

Sara.

What?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Jul 2015, 06:42
If the 3000th post turns out to be just Steve eating some cereal while reading the paper, then looking out the window when a car honks, then going back to his paper, for four panels, I would laugh myself inside out.

Sara.


What?
Steve kills Sara, then cooks and eats her while reading the paper. It is only then that we realize Steve has been an allosaurus all along.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jul 2015, 06:48
Nah, the allosaurus just ate her leg.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Jul 2015, 06:59
Well, sure. That's why Steve the Allosaurus has to finish the job he started.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: FunkyTuba on 06 Jul 2015, 07:27
Is it just me or is Marten not embarrassededly grabbing his neck as much as he used to?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Jul 2015, 08:34
Is it just me or is Marten not embarrassededly grabbing his neck as much as he used to?

The length of time that he's known Pintsize, he's got to develop a higher embarrassment threshold eventually!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrudd on 06 Jul 2015, 10:48
Comic #3000 - One page, Clin-ton with a big grin on his face leaving Emily's place.
You think it's going to be that easy for Clinton?
Well there was no mention about it being under his own power but the Paramedics will be sure to be gentle and not jostle the gurney too much.  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 06 Jul 2015, 19:41
There you go - potassium banana smoothies!  Great second date.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 06 Jul 2015, 19:41
Welp, I was wrong about Jeph leaving Emily and Clinton behind. But! looks like they're heading to Coffee of Doom.  Which might actually be more interesting than if Marten and Claire went...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 06 Jul 2015, 19:59
There you go - potassium banana smoothies!  Great second date.

I'd agree, but I don't think Emily would call it that. She still doesn't realize the first evening was supposed to be a date, I don't think. If she does, then maybe. This comment hinges on whether it's been established in the unknowable space that is Emily's mind, that she's been on a date.

If you'll excuse me, my (legitimately prescribed) drugs are kicking in. I must sleep.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: TRVA123 on 06 Jul 2015, 20:21

He's in love with Emily, whether he knows it or not, but she's not in any sense previously sailed shores.  Nothing anyone has previously done COULD have prepared him.  Here's the scary thing:

As his FIRST LOVE: this is the one who sets the bar.  If it does NOT work out, Emily is who you have to beat, to be Clint's lover.

Really, you think he loves her? I guess I just don't see it.

I really think that Clinton likes the idea of being in love with a girl, and at the moment Emily is his only prospect. I think that some people confuse the desire to have a "significant other" with actually being in love with a person.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 06 Jul 2015, 20:46
And are we about to see the return of Dora and the CoD gang?


Or will Jeph leave us hanging on that score again?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 06 Jul 2015, 20:52
I could see Emily breaking Clinton's mind by introducing him to Hanners as her boyfriend.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 06 Jul 2015, 21:01
Or maybe as her boyfling.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 06 Jul 2015, 21:07
Nice way to reintegrate COD, especially with the sly reference to Faye. BTW, wasn't Faye's method of making a banana smoothie to just hammer a banana, peel and all, into a cup? Emily is weird.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 06 Jul 2015, 21:09
That's precisely what Faye's rendition of a banana smoothie was, yes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 06 Jul 2015, 21:34
And why Emily loved going there. She liked the smushed banana smoothie
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 06 Jul 2015, 21:35
Clinton isn't in love. He's in, "Look! A girl!"

He want's to like Emily. That's not exactly a bad thing. We all want to like somebody. Whether he can like her is something else.

Only Beard knows what Emily wants. She is, after all, weird. Still, I think she finds Clinton interesting, on some level. I'm not saying it is romantic, at all. (Not saying it isn't.) Just saying that she thinks about him when she doesn't otherwise have to. (Her Megaman question being the first example, in that she had a list of questions for him.)

I'm tabling my previous assessment that they aren't compatible, thinking about that. Sure, Emily was odd for thinking of that, but Clinton matched her by asking which Megaman. Which either implies that he is of similar, if less intense, weird or his hand does turn into a blaster. Either of those would fit in with Emily, just fine.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 06 Jul 2015, 22:24
Yeah, I agree it's not love yet, certainly not at the level of his sister and Marten. That said, he's trying really really hard to keep this first real relationship going. They may fail. They may simply become friends. Perhaps they will become lovers. Eh. The journey is far more important than the destination right now and he has, however fumblingly, taken the right first step on his own initiative.

"I mean - is it ... cool if I ... come with you?" is, in it's way, as important for his place in life and growing up as "W - well, this - this is me" was for his sister. Not as dramatic a moment, to be sure, but just as critical a moment on the way for Clinton turning from cliche to adult.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 06 Jul 2015, 22:29
Just saying that she thinks about him when she doesn't otherwise have to. (Her Megaman question being the first example, in that she had a list of questions for him.)

Actually, that's a good point... didn't she only get through one question in the list? What if after a bunch of odd questions, there was her asking him out to coffee, but that sudden Megaman revelation blew her mind and she forgot to even ask in her rush to (presumably) replay the game? I doubt it, but the thought amuses me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 06 Jul 2015, 22:53
I think it was probably just a list of questions. I was just thinking about the psychology of bonding. They say (which doesn't make it true, but they say) that part of bonding is thinking about the other person. Which is why people are apt to become infatuated with people they don't quite understand.

It's certainly possible to spend time thinking about someone you don't feel positively toward, but you probably wouldn't make a list of questions and attach it to clipboard to keep handy in case they show up again.

While I think it was mostly Emily just being Emily, and doesn't signify anything in particular, it is a sign that she doesn't think lowly of him. He's at least intellectually interesting to her. It's interesting, also, to note that she has a pet name for him that she hasn't stopped using, but generally respects that he prefers his name sans hyphen.

Getting into full overanalysis mode, it's easy to chalk Clinton's stammer up to nerves, but I see potential for more than that. He, in fact, started with aggressive enthusiasm, totally in keeping with his social cluelessness. But he may have stumbled over a clue. As in, "it's not quite cool for me to invite myself along." From there it's a short step to "what if she rejects me" via the "I should ask her" expressway. So, there's nerves and puppy love confusion involved, but also signs that Clinton is, actually, trying to be a better version of himself.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 06 Jul 2015, 22:55
Well, that's one question answered! Weirdness or no, Clinton wants to go out with Emily again. He just needed to be placed into a scenario where he couldn't avoid her and let his indecisiveness nervousness do the thinking for him.

As for the rest? Well, Jeph does seem to be about to give us a treat! We're going to see post-Faye CoD, no matter how briefly (it could be as little as them leaving after getting their smoothies). It might be interesting to see if post-Faye, the place is more friendly (I doubt it; sassing customers seems to have been Dora's policy).

Finally, can someone tell me what Emily said in panel 1 before Jeph changed the word to 'dogs'? The text is different enough to suggest a re-draw.

Just got to add: I love Clinton's body language in this, especially in panels 3 and 4. He's regressed about five to eight years and is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!

[edit]
Clinton is a bit indecisive but, in this case, I think it was pure nerves that was holding him back.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 06 Jul 2015, 23:12
is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!

Yes, that's true. And yet, he's asking because, unlike me in 1982, he thinks he has a chance. That's more brave than I ever was. Good for him.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Jul 2015, 00:20
is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!

Yes, that's true. And yet, he's asking because, unlike me in 1982, he thinks he has a chance. That's more brave than I ever was. Good for him.

1982? Cool. I'd just discovered today that one of my favorite random scientists is 8 years younger than me, and I was feeling old. ;p
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Energia on 07 Jul 2015, 01:59
Given how precious a word-count is in a comic, could Faye be selling banana smoothies from a newly-welded up gizmo soon?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 07 Jul 2015, 02:20
He's regressed about five to eight years and is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!
The stereotype is not part of my culture(s), so I could be wrong, but Emily doesn't strike me as the cheerleader type. Clinton is definitely a nerd though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Jul 2015, 02:47
No you're totally right. Emily is not at all cheerleader like.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 07 Jul 2015, 03:04
Far too tall for a start. Cheerleaders have to all be the same height or the pyramid collapses. Or something like that anyway… 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jul 2015, 03:36
He's regressed about five to eight years and is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!

The stereotype is not part of my culture(s), so I could be wrong, but Emily doesn't strike me as the cheerleader type. Clinton is definitely a nerd though.

I think that people are reading too much into my metaphor. I'm not saying that she is like a cheerleader. I'm saying that she is, in his eyes, a beautiful woman far out of his league. Because of this, he is nervous and is having a difficult time communicating with her and expressing his feelings to her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Jul 2015, 05:17
People are reading too much into something?

In a WCDT?

Naw. Couldn't happen.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 06:50
Certainly not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Random832 on 07 Jul 2015, 07:39
Finally, can someone tell me what Emily said in panel 1 before Jeph changed the word to 'dogs'? The text is different enough to suggest a re-draw.

I noticed the different font, but a re-draw didn't even occur to me - QC isn't hand-lettered, so it would be easy enough to re-typeset the whole bubble. And it doesn't account for the difference in line spacing, whereas having originally put that word in a different font would.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 07:42
His change from "rape" to "hump" from back in the day is visibly noticeable, but I think in this case it's just how she says the word "dogs".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 07 Jul 2015, 07:52
He's regressed about five to eight years and is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!
The stereotype is not part of my culture(s), so I could be wrong, but Emily doesn't strike me as the cheerleader type. Clinton is definitely a nerd though.
Oh dont worry, we have no cheerleaders here in germany (or europe in general, as far as I know) either. Thats a completely riddiculous tradition, is it not ?

Its just one of the many things that are weird in US movies, they expect you to know and care about stuff thats just weird and foreign and they dont even bother explaining them because yeah, there is no world outside the US territory, is there ?

Like I have no friggin clue how the US school system works. "Highschool" is in there somewhere, I think. That one gets mentioned a *lot*. Not sure what would be the german equivalent, if there is even one.

Or these US specific sports, like baseball. I've seen tons of movies that have baseball in them and still have no clue what that game is supposed to be about. Or American Football. I have the dim impression its about getting a ball into your enemies field, though.

Or these weird US style marriages. In germany, bride and groom enter the church together. In the USA, the father of the bride "gives" his daughter to the groom, or some such patriarchic crap from ages long past. Makes no sense to me in any way at all, why would one ever do that anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 07:57
To be fair, high school in US movies isn't really anything like high school in the US, either.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 07 Jul 2015, 08:46
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Wow, lotta US hate there. The reason there's no explanation of those things is because those movies are made in the US, and are by and large consumed by US audiences - therefore, since the things you mentioned are things that just about every American knows, it be silly to explain them to them, and could, in fact, be taken as the filmmakers being insulting in treating their audiences like daft idiots that don't know their own country or its cultural quirks. It's not a case of 'Those US pigs make everything about them and expect everyone ever who watches their movies to understand everything', it's filmmakers knowing who their main, targeted audience is and making it relatable to them. If it's US-centric, it's because of those reasons, not because they're purposely trying to make their movies unrelatable to a foreign audience.

By your logic, Jeph's comics are US-centric since he doesn't explain every nuance that a person of another country wouldn't understand, and doesn't do so because he has no respect for his international readers. Bollywood movies favor Indian audiences and are selfish to not explain the points of culture that are complete mysteries to western audiences. I think you can see where  I'm going with this.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 07 Jul 2015, 09:32
Its just one of the many things that are weird in US movies, they expect you to know and care about stuff thats just weird and foreign and they dont even bother explaining them because yeah, there is no world outside the US territory, is there ?

Well, I had a similar (though converse) reaction the time I watched Der blaue Engel, so I got in touch with a friend who had studied German and Germany in that era, and she explained it to me. It wasn't exactly an insuperable obstacle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 07 Jul 2015, 09:40
He's regressed about five to eight years and is a high school nerd asking out one of  the cheerleaders again!
The stereotype is not part of my culture(s), so I could be wrong, but Emily doesn't strike me as the cheerleader type. Clinton is definitely a nerd though.

What's a cheerleader "type"? Though it's true that the cheerleaders at the last game I attended of my alma mater had a similar appearance, I put that down to uniforms, a uniform hairstyle and hair-decoration nearly the size of then head, and a big helping of cross-generational blindness (one of them was the daughter of a classmate). The cheer squad during my high school days was in all shapes and sizes, and the girl who was then captain is now head of nursing and a nurse-educator at a metro hospital. I suppose I know what thenpop culture definition of a cheerleader-type is, but I've never seen one myself. (And M.O.M. is right: I don't think my high school ever had a "Breakfast Club," though Saturday mornings in the Driver's Ed car could get interesting.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 07 Jul 2015, 09:48
If it comes to that, the most successful cheerleader at my high school (early 1970s) was a large, heavy, African-American male. Someone who was more dissimilar from Emily would be hard to find....
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 07 Jul 2015, 09:57
Stereotypically, whatever they're like, cheerleaders are imagined as at or near the top of the social hierarchy and not to be approached by Clinton-like people.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 07 Jul 2015, 10:34
I read it like 'Cheerleader type,' like the general stereotypical cheerleader.

Same way people hear 'southern gentleman' and think Col. Sanders, not trailer trash dude with a beer gut and five broken down cars in his yard, AKA the typical dude in my area who self-identifies as such.

The average person in a group almost never fits the stereotype, yet the stereotype continues.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Jul 2015, 10:46
As it happens, my wife was a high school cheerleader, and she married me, a guy closer to Clinton than he'd like to admit.   :lol:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 11:44
Did you guys know each other in high school?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: jheartney on 07 Jul 2015, 11:57
As it happens, my wife was a high school cheerleader, and she married me, a guy closer to Clinton than he'd like to admit.   :lol:
Smart gal. Nerds are generally better husband material than football stars.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 07 Jul 2015, 12:41
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Like I have no friggin clue how the US school system works. "Highschool" is in there somewhere, I think. That one gets mentioned a *lot*. Not sure what would be the german equivalent, if there is even one.

The US school system is divided into 3 "stages" (4 if you count university): elementary school running from kindergarten to fifth or sixth grade (5-11/12), middle school or "junior high" running from 6th/7th to 8th/9th (11/12-14/15), and then high school from 9/10-12 (14/15-18).  Many school systems now offer "pre-K" programs for younger kids, especially those from poor families, which are encouraged to help give those kids a better start in school.

High school is most like the German Gymnasium.  Unlike in Germany, though, ALL American students go to high school, so a lot of high schools will incorporate programs that are more similar to a trade school.  I can't speak for every state, but Texas's intent is to have every student graduate high school ready to go to university, junior college, AND a career. (Any given student would pick one of those options, but they would have all three to choose from.)  All schools require every student to take English, science, social studies (history and civics, most schools include geography), mathematics, and a foreign language.  They'll also offer elective classes, including arts, trade classes (for example, my school offers welding), home classes (such as child development or cooking), etc.

However, high schools also offer a lot of extracurricular activities - sports being the most obvious, but also drama, band, academic competitions, student council, minority advocacy groups, religious groups sometimes, at a big enough school whatever you can think of they probably have a club for.

My third year of high school, I worked out that between class, academic competitions, and band, I was at the school for ten hours a day or more, and then would usually have a couple hours of homework each night.  A typical school schedule will have between six and eight classes that you go to every day, or sometimes you'll have six to eight classes that you go to three/four one day and the others the next.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 07 Jul 2015, 12:46
Stereotypically, whatever they're like, cheerleaders are imagined as at or near the top of the social hierarchy and not to be approached by Clinton-like people.
Another common trait of the stereotypical cheerleader is the sense of superiority due to their high rank in the high school hierarchy, and is often the girlfriend of the star football player (invariably, the quarterback) - which generally means that at best, she doesn't know the nerd exists, and at worst, can be one of the nerd's antagonists, or turns a blind eye to the torments the nerd faces from her entourage.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Jul 2015, 13:06
Did you guys know each other in high school?

Actually no, we met in our mid-30s.

My wife was also a non-stereotypical cheerleader in that she was also her class valedictorian, despite graduating two years early.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 13:13
How is that even possible? She graduated after 10th grade?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 07 Jul 2015, 13:19
No, she skipped the 10th grade. After having skipped 3rd grade. In both cases because she was so far ahead of her peers academically that they didn't know what else to do with her. This was in a small school in the North Carolina mountains where advanced placement classes simply weren't offered.

If she'd grown up in a large city, like I did, she would not have skipped any grades but likely would have graduated high school with enough college credit to skip her first year of college.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 07 Jul 2015, 13:21
Cheerleaders travel in packs. Vicious hungry packs. This is one of the reasons all Americans carry automatic weapons and have so many explosions (that we walk away from without reacting to. Preferably in slow motion). Another reason for all the explosions is that our motor vehicle engineering is not German, but that's not related to high school.

Sometimes Cheerleaders stack. This allows them draw more patriotism from the Nation's leylines giving them a boost in speed and strength. Sometimes Cheerleaders are boys. For some reason they are issued pants by the authorities. It's not clear why.

Should you encounter a cheerleader, do not make eye contact. Try not make any sudden movements. Back away, but do not run. If a cheerleader becomes hostile, try to make yourself look bigger than you are. One way to do this is standing next to a skinnier/shorter friend. Cheerleader hostility is characterized by backflips, gesticulating with pom-poms, and demands that you join them in spelling simple words.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 13:30
Cheerleaders annoyed me, but only when they would interrupt our playing with an inane chant. (I was in marching band if you couldn't tell)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 07 Jul 2015, 14:17
Did you guys know each other in high school?

Actually no, we met in our mid-30s.

My wife was also a non-stereotypical cheerleader in that she was also her class valedictorian, despite graduating two years early.
My class had a lot of overachievers... there was a six-way tie for valedictorian.  :psyduck: I was seventh, because I chose to take a computer programming course instead of AP Biology (the way they counted it, AP courses counted for extra).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 07 Jul 2015, 15:15
Did you guys know each other in high school?

Actually no, we met in our mid-30s.

My wife was also a non-stereotypical cheerleader in that she was also her class valedictorian, despite graduating two years early.
My class had a lot of overachievers... there was a six-way tie for valedictorian.  :psyduck: I was seventh, because I chose to take a computer programming course instead of AP Biology (the way they counted it, AP courses counted for extra).
So… did they make them all give valedictory speeches and make you salutatorian as well?
(For those playing along at home, being made valedictorian is how high school teachers punish the brainy kids for giving them more paperwork to do. I understand the pin on the badge is unnecessarily long and sharp…)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 07 Jul 2015, 15:28
Did you guys know each other in high school?

Actually no, we met in our mid-30s.

My wife was also a non-stereotypical cheerleader in that she was also her class valedictorian, despite graduating two years early.
My class had a lot of overachievers... there was a six-way tie for valedictorian.  :psyduck: I was seventh, because I chose to take a computer programming course instead of AP Biology (the way they counted it, AP courses counted for extra).

This kind of thing happened so many times at my school that they eliminated class rank, starting with the year before mine.  I hate it when forms ask for my class rank, because I'm just like... well, I know I was in the top 10%, because I got a medal, and I know I was lower than the top 2%, because I didn't get a gold stole (is that how this word is spelled?) or a special certificate, but I can't tell you anything more detailed than that, so... sorry?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 07 Jul 2015, 16:04
So… did they make them all give valedictory speeches and make you salutatorian as well?
(For those playing along at home, being made valedictorian is how high school teachers punish the brainy kids for giving them more paperwork to do. I understand the pin on the badge is unnecessarily long and sharp…)
No, none of the students were allowed/required to give a speech.

This kind of thing happened so many times at my school that they eliminated class rank, starting with the year before mine.  I hate it when forms ask for my class rank, because I'm just like... well, I know I was in the top 10%, because I got a medal, and I know I was lower than the top 2%, because I didn't get a gold stole (is that how this word is spelled?) or a special certificate, but I can't tell you anything more detailed than that, so... sorry?
I found the class rank think kind of useless, considering I was lowered on the ranking because I took a class I wanted to take rather than the class that I was expected to take.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Jul 2015, 16:08
Class ranking seems like a bad idea to me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 07 Jul 2015, 18:28
Class rank is such a silly thing anyway.  I was top 10% of my class but not top 5%.  Had I been in my brother's grade, with the same transcript I had, I'd have been challenging for valedictorian/salutatorian.  Had I gone to another school in the city, I'd probably have had better grades and less competition, because my school was known as being one of the ones for "smart kids".

Had I gone to school in Texas all four years, it might have helped or hurt.  See in Texas, you're given a numerical grade 0-100.  In Maryland where I did my first two years, it's letter grades.  So in computing my GPA and class rank, they had to convert that to a number.  95 was picked as average for A, 85 for B, etc.  (Dunno what they did with Fs, as it wasn't relevant to me.)  So if I got an 89 in a class I got screwed, whereas if I got a 90 I got helped.  Dunno how it would've shaken out as I never cared whether I had a 90 or a 98 in Maryland since it didn't matter.

And then there's class size.  My class was 575 students.  The school I teach at, we tend to graduate 50 students a year.  Which salutatorian's more impressive?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 07 Jul 2015, 18:58
Given how precious a word-count is in a comic, could Faye be selling banana smoothies from a newly-welded up gizmo soon?

Faye's banana smoothies are not merely a dessert. They are Performance Art. And a metaphor for the political process in Central American countries. The Ultimate Murder Chassis will be snake-shaped and able to make coconut smoothies. Pineapple smoothies. Durian smoothies. Faye style.



Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 07 Jul 2015, 20:07
Given how precious a word-count is in a comic, could Faye be selling banana smoothies from a newly-welded up gizmo soon?

Faye's banana smoothies are not merely a dessert. They are Performance Art. And a metaphor for the political process in Central American countries. The Ultimate Murder Chassis will be snake-shaped and able to make coconut smoothies. Pineapple smoothies. Durian smoothies. Faye style.
And unless the customer specifically requests a durian smoothie, the customer will receive a durian smoothie.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Energia on 07 Jul 2015, 20:37
Given how precious a word-count is in a comic, could Faye be selling banana smoothies from a newly-welded up gizmo soon?

Faye's banana smoothies are not merely a dessert. They are Performance Art. And a metaphor for the political process in Central American countries. The Ultimate Murder Chassis will be snake-shaped and able to make coconut smoothies. Pineapple smoothies. Durian smoothies. Faye style.

And unless the customer specifically requests a durian smoothie, the customer will receive a durian smoothie.

I had never considered the possibility of a durian smoothie.  Is there an emoji for "fighting-the-urge-to-barf"?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2015, 20:53
Awwwww. I'm sure she would've shared if she weren't concerned.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 07 Jul 2015, 22:35
It's been a little while since I was in school....

The system my son is going through - year 1-6 primary school, 7-10 High School, 11-12 College, then University probably. Or the Defence Force Academy.

The system(s) I went through - year 1-6 primary/preparatory boarding school, years 7-12 grammar (high) school, then Uni. My teens were a bit complicated - the school was a 2 hour public transport bus trip, then a subway trip, away. Average 5 hrs commuting. Worst case - 3am bus to be at school by 7am (bus was all stops at that hour), then cadet range day firing light machine guns till 5pm, then a break before debating at 7pm, then catch the last bus home at 11:30, gettting me home at about 2:30am. But that was only on Fridays.
At age 15, I switched to the Air Training Corps, which I enjoyed a lot more. Better hours, no 7am start, finished by 5pm.

Meanwhile.... Clinton. Oh Dear. An older sister who, shall we say, may be a little bossy, and now a potential G/F who is showing tendencies of taking him under her wing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jul 2015, 23:14
New comic and whatever culinary horrors that Clinton is about to go through are his own fault for making a lame excuse to go to CoD with Emily.

We also get re-confirmation that Hannelore is a romantic, right up to the 'One smoothie, two straws' cliché. What's the bet that, when at home, she's watching old romantic movies from the 1950s and 60s on cable all the time?

Now, did anyone else see what's missing today? Yes, the blackboard menu at the back of the shop is gone! It's a glaring enough change in the background that I saw it immediately and made it harder for me to mentally 'get into' the characters being in CoD.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Jul 2015, 23:17
Given how precious a word-count is in a comic, could Faye be selling banana smoothies from a newly-welded up gizmo soon?

Faye's banana smoothies are not merely a dessert. They are Performance Art. And a metaphor for the political process in Central American countries. The Ultimate Murder Chassis will be snake-shaped and able to make coconut smoothies. Pineapple smoothies. Durian smoothies. Faye style.

*Shudders at the thought of durian smoothies*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 07 Jul 2015, 23:17
That's some adorable wingwoman Hanners.

Perhaps for the best the plan failed though or she'd have to watch two people drinking from the same cup.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 07 Jul 2015, 23:19
Now, did anyone else see what's missing today? Yes, the blackboard menu at the back of the shop is gone! It's a glaring enough change in the background that I saw it immediately and made it harder for me to mentally 'get into' the characters being in CoD.

Isn't it just because of the angle? I would expect the blackboard to be a bit to the right of the shot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 07 Jul 2015, 23:24
Isn't it just because of the angle? I would expect the blackboard to be a bit to the right of the shot.

I'm fairly sure that previous panels showing CoD from that angle have shown the blackboard. It should extend at least as far as the end of the small table behind Hanners.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 08 Jul 2015, 00:18
It does not extend that far. It's an art error, but one of perception, methinks. The counter/bench/thingy does extend further than the blackboard.

This is plain when Faye brings her "first bottle" to work, after Marigold's preggers with Hanners dream.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 08 Jul 2015, 01:57
Hanners has that "reasonable number of babies" look in her eyes again.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 08 Jul 2015, 03:15
If you like durian at all, durian ice cream and durian smoothies are actually pretty good.  The strength of the smell and flavor is cut down because of the addition of cream/milk/salt/sugar, and so you get that sort of ripe, heady flavor, but it's a much more mild version.

I like durian, but only when it's young and hard (no pun intended here).  Soft durian is too much for me to handle in flavor, texture, and smell.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Jul 2015, 04:34
If you like durian at all, durian ice cream and durian smoothies are actually pretty good.

Home made Durian icecream... YUM. But then, I'm one of the unusual Falang who love the fresh fruit too. That surprised my minders in Sattahip naval base and Supreme HQ Royal Thai Navy. Ah, memories of inhaling green curry on the banks of the Chao Praya in Krungthep... while the German engineers I was with looked on aghast.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 09:14
I've never even heard of durian. Is it available in the States?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 08 Jul 2015, 09:33
It's not common at supermarkets, but Asian markets often sell them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: firevisor on 08 Jul 2015, 09:57
Wow, this comic strip really reminds me of the quasi-dates of my younger years. Awkwardness galore.
I hope it's a dud relationship, that could possibly be revisited down the line.
Perhaps Emily gets another boy-friend, or something juicy like that.

I identify with this story arc quite a bit, so I'm actually at the edge of my seat this week.

The Claireten story arc hasn't done much for me. But this has sparked my attention.

EDIT: Holy smokes, is this really my first post!? :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 08 Jul 2015, 11:40
Welcome, new person!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 08 Jul 2015, 14:19
Guard your lug wrenches.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 08 Jul 2015, 15:02
I don't melt them over Banana Smoothies

Ruins the taste
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 08 Jul 2015, 16:08
Quite right! Banana flavored lug wrench is awful.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 08 Jul 2015, 19:17
Comic 2999: At the dawn of a new era in QC, Jeph sticks it to everyone who ever called Emily one-note.

New Emily, I like.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: TheCollector on 08 Jul 2015, 19:25
Holy crap if I didn't just fall in love with Emily.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: treyhawk on 08 Jul 2015, 19:26
Comic 2999: At the dawn of a new era in QC, Jeph sticks it to everyone who ever called Emily one-note.

Comic 3000:  Jeph reveals that the first 2999 strips was nothing more than Emily's dream.  Emily wakes up, ready to face the world with her newfound knowledge, and now - finally - Questionable Content begins in earnest.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 19:35
Weird all the way down. I like it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 08 Jul 2015, 19:38
This was surprisingly honest on both their parts. I approve. I don't see them dating, but I do think they could be good friends.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 08 Jul 2015, 19:39
Comic 3000:  Jeph reveals that the first 2999 strips was nothing more than Emily's dream.  Emily wakes up, ready to face the world with her newfound knowledge, and now - finally - Questionable Content begins in earnest.

"Sara! Gabby!  I had the strangest dream!  And you were there, and you were there--okay, not for very long, but still!"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 19:42
I don't see them dating
Why not?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 08 Jul 2015, 19:45
This was surprisingly honest on both their parts. I approve. I don't see them dating, but I do think they could be good friends.

Actually with that conversation, I can see real dating having a chance. They may or may not click further, but at least the next time will be a real date and not the weirdness of the last time.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 08 Jul 2015, 19:54
I just hope that Emily's Incredibly Verbose Character Growth Spurt means we're never treated to an entire strip of her yelling "Dogs!" or "Clin-ton!" again.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 19:55
This isn't a growth spurt. She's told people this before, she says.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 08 Jul 2015, 19:59
Yeah, but not in-comic.  We've really only seen Weird Emily.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 08 Jul 2015, 20:11
With the hammer, Hannelore!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 08 Jul 2015, 20:12
No, I know, but if she's done this before but stayed weird (and in fact, is weird all the way down), why would we expect her to change? Why would we want her to?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 08 Jul 2015, 20:25
I don't see them dating
Why not?

Because of some very anecdotal personal experience, more than anything else, probably. People like Emily can be very exhausting for people like Clinton, from what I have seen and observed. Mind, I am not particularly worldly or good at people. It just seems to me that Emily needs someone who can keep up, mentally, physically, and emotionally to her. She seems to be very high energy. It's not even just "Oh, so wacky!" energy either. From what I've seen of Clinton, I don't think he can match that. Heaven knows I couldn't.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 08 Jul 2015, 20:32
No, I know, but if she's done this before but stayed weird (and in fact, is weird all the way down), why would we expect her to change? Why would we want her to?

Hush, it's just a retcon.  Because Weird Emily may have been amusing 800 strips ago, but if she's still Weird Emily 800 strips later, and another 800 after that, with no other angle to her character, then she's just boring.  Might as well send her into the stacks to fight Bibliodons with Gabby so we can spend more time with Claire. 

I don't mind Emily continuing to express her gleeful love of weird things, mind you, but I want to see more moments like this, too.  Her "hidden depths."  So I'm glad Jeph decided to retcon explore her character a bit more.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 08 Jul 2015, 21:06
This revelation would have had more of an impact on me if Emily hadn't come to this coffee shop to get a banana smashed with a hammer in a cup. Or if she hadn't just had a magical connection with a bunch of strange dogs.

I don't think any of us say Emily is random because we think it's calculated, or that she's emphasizing those features on purpose. I think we say she's random because she's a caricature of a 'quirky' girl with no other defining character traits.

This speech might be a good start, but Jeph's got a long way to go if he wants me to buy it. If he's just using this as an excuse to keep making Emily full weird all the time, because this is his Get Out Of No Characterization Shown Free Card, I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

TL;DR I AM A GRUMP WHO CANNOT ENJOY NICE THINGS
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 08 Jul 2015, 21:41
Yay! A new side of Emily! :laugh:



I don't melt them over Banana Smoothies

Ruins the taste

Yeah, nothing quite destroys the flavor of a yummy lugwrench like a banana.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Jul 2015, 22:04
Yay! A new side of Emily!
Not quite, merely a clarification. I'm glad she's happy to be herself - for who else could she be?
Me, I'm visualising whorled peas as I view the turtles all the way down.

The Retcon machine might need a service though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 08 Jul 2015, 22:16
I've never even heard of durian. Is it available in the States?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71z16SFzrbL._SL1100_.jpg)

You eat the yellow custardy bits.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 08 Jul 2015, 23:02
You eat the yellow custardy bits.

While holding your nose, to avoid the horrible, horrible smell.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Endellion on 08 Jul 2015, 23:37
It's turtles all the way down.

(http://www.ieet.org/images/uploads/turtles-all-the-way-down.png)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: anahata on 09 Jul 2015, 00:02
My immediate thought on the last panel was that it's a great opportunity for someone looking for a  new avatar  or sig quote.

As for where this conversation is going... great opportunity for Clinton to show some sympathy for Emily's predicament, if he can find the right thing to say. It could be that his lack of understanding of conventional social protocols is just the thing to protect him him freaking out at Emily's weirdness. His honesty in the second panel is encouraging, and had the instant effect of opening her up. Well done, Clinton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jul 2015, 00:06
I think that we have learnt more about Emily in this strip almost more than we have in all her previous appearances combined! I'm glad that she's aware of herself and doesn't feel the need to apologize for anything.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jul 2015, 00:10
Are other people really "lazy" or just busy? Wouldn't it be a courtesy to them to develop a simulation of "normal" for use in casual interactions?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 09 Jul 2015, 00:47
I think that we have learnt more about Emily in this strip almost more than we have in all her previous appearances combined! I'm glad that she's aware of herself and doesn't feel the need to apologize for anything.

Wee already know that's she's more than merely goofy, though.  Remember her mad programming skillz.  With Clinton's interest in robotics they could make quite a pair.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Jul 2015, 00:52
And the strip ends when they make mecha-Cthulhu.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: 94ssd on 09 Jul 2015, 01:00
Snaps for Emily's monologue today. I feel so much of what she says.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Stanistani on 09 Jul 2015, 01:19
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2999

Panel 3 - Emily goes from being a cartoon character to being a human woman.

Best artwork on a facial expression yet, Jeph.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Tova on 09 Jul 2015, 01:37
I can't help but feel that we are included in the subjects of this rant.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Ellemar on 09 Jul 2015, 02:24
This new update made me so happy, that I was moved enough to actually register in the forums so I could post about it. So, here's my first post ever. Sorry it's so long, and hope it makes sense.

I have ADHD (finally diagnosed in September of last year), and while it's never been stated that Emily herself has ADHD, her monologue related so heavily to things that I have felt
when trying to be myself around other people, because people do say things like that to me, all the time. People constantly refer to me, like Emily said, as weird, spacey or "random",
and though I don't think they realize it, it's incredibly belittling and dismissive. People say a lot of really hurtful, ignorant things about ADHD (not to mention my own family), right to your face,
and while I've been this way my whole life, before I just assumed that it was because I was stupid and dumb. Actually knowing my diagnosis has, in a way, made me feel worse about myself,
because it's this big, inescapable, many-faceted thing that, more often not, can be really shitty and hard to deal with. Everyone assumes ADHD just means being a bit forgetful, losing your keys
all the time and being that stereotypical "ooh SQUIRREL!" type person, but there's a lot more to it than that.

I'm in University now (going for my Bachelors in Fine Arts), and while I'm really proud that I made it there on my own, I've been coming up against a lot of opposition towards my mental disorder
from fellow students, and my own teachers, because I don't think about or create art the same way that they want me to, the way that everyone else does. "People are saying I'm not like them,
and it was a bad thing."
That's something I've been having to deal with A LOT recently. It's hard and demoralizing, especially from the people that should be understanding.

I'm not ashamed to admit that this comic made me cry. It just kind of summed up a lot of the things I've been struggling with over this past year especially. Everything Emily said in the 5th panel is so
important to me, and something I really needed to hear. "I'm happy with who I am, and with how my brain works" is something I may have to get tattooed on my arm so I can look at it every
day and remind myself. It was just really, really nice to read it in a comic that I've been a fan of for years and years, from a character who is roughly the same age and gender as myself, and while
not officially written as an ADHDer, certainly shares some of it's qualities (albeit the stereotypical ones).

TLDR: Emotions were felt, representation is important, and Emily may be my new favourite.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: anahata on 09 Jul 2015, 03:26
Welcome, new person!

Also, how interesting that Jeph has never mentioned ADHD, but has managed to portray the behaviour (and the reactions of others to it)  so accurately that it can be easily recognised by someone who knows.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 09 Jul 2015, 04:17
I get what Emily's saying, and I can appreciate it, but I struggle to see it as actual character development.  It could be opening the door, but until we see a bit of a change in Emily, it's just a speech.

As of now, in the comic, why wouldn't people think she's weird and random?  When was the last time she actually showed interest in someone else's views, tried to get to know someone, or made a connection with them, outside of Clinton?  Even when she had the big party, she spent a lot of it doing weird, random things, so it makes sense that the people around her see her that way.  Did she have any real conversations with anyone?

It's not that she can't be herself, because there's nothing wrong with the things she does.  But if she wants other people to see her as something other than weird and random, then she has to do a little work to show that there's more to her than the surface stuff she does.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Jul 2015, 04:32
No, I know, but if she's done this before but stayed weird (and in fact, is weird all the way down), why would we expect her to change? Why would we want her to?

Hush, it's just a retcon.  Because Weird Emily may have been amusing 800 strips ago, but if she's still Weird Emily 800 strips later, and another 800 after that, with no other angle to her character, then she's just boring.  Might as well send her into the stacks to fight Bibliodons with Gabby so we can spend more time with Claire. 

I don't mind Emily continuing to express her gleeful love of weird things, mind you, but I want to see more moments like this, too.  Her "hidden depths."  So I'm glad Jeph decided to retcon explore her character a bit more.
Well yeah, hopefully we actually see more of her depth, my point is that she wouldn't be changing at all, we'd just actually see more of her. Especially now that she's around people who might be able to appreciate it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: greywolfe on 09 Jul 2015, 04:33
Emily knows she is wierd and random and just wants people to accept her for what she is. Adorbs!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Jul 2015, 04:43
I would say that from a literary standpoint opening a window to let the readers understand the character better is as much and as valid character development as having the character learn and grow from experience. This is an observed media after all. The point of it is what the reader takes away from it, not what the fictional characters learn.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 05:03
As of now, in the comic, why wouldn't people think she's weird and random?  When was the last time she actually showed interest in someone else's views, tried to get to know someone, or made a connection with them, outside of Clinton?  Even when she had the big party, she spent a lot of it doing weird, random things, so it makes sense that the people around her see her that way.  Did she have any real conversations with anyone?

Claire, more than once. In fact, her interest in Claire as a person extends to the point that she wants to be like Claire and deeply admires her. Despite this, she manages not be creepy about it, except for one instance of excessive enthusiastic support when Claire came out to her.

Emily has shown a general interest in Marten's inner life, and been supportive of him as well (leading to the OMG She Kissed MY Cheek mini-arc). Emily has never been complex, but she's always had more than a single note and been willing to reach out, in her own way.

While I agree with those who don't call this personal development, it is revelation. Raven was a ditz. While she was aware of that, it was not something she embraced. Her way of relating to the world was same as anyone else's. Assume everything is like me. While Emily's POV is probably a retcon, it's noteworthy that she knows what she is. That's something we didn't know about the character. Not all character development requires change of character.

If fact I was just discussing this in relation to Sense8
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Tova on 09 Jul 2015, 05:11
This new update made me so happy, that I was moved enough to actually register in the forums so I could post about it. So, here's my first post ever. Sorry it's so long, and hope it makes sense.

Thank you, Ellemar. I don't say this as much as I should, but I always find it rewarding and useful to read the perspective of someone who relates as closely to a character as you clearly have. It reminds me that these characters aren't just abstract ideas that Jeph has rattling round in his head.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: dexeron on 09 Jul 2015, 05:57
This new update made me so happy, that I was moved enough to actually register in the forums so I could post about it. So, here's my first post ever. Sorry it's so long, and hope it makes sense.

As someone else diagnosed with ADHD, thanks so much for posting this.  And welcome to the forums!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 09 Jul 2015, 06:10
I'm....conflicted about this.

while part of me gets behind Emily for her stance, i find that her logic is also the logic used by total assholes to justifying being said assholes.

i know the whole thing about being yourself is important, but sometimes you have to give a little for the sake of those around you. of course it is a bit different in Emily's case since her behaviour doesn't HURT people, so its better there but..

gah.

i can't find the words for this.

i mean, its good and i approve for the sentiment but... something feels off to me, you know?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 09 Jul 2015, 06:13
I Approve of the message, i really do.

so i don't get why this Comic makes me feel uncomfortable, but it does.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Stanistani on 09 Jul 2015, 06:27
I Approve of the message, i really do.

so i don't get why this Comic makes me feel uncomfortable, but it does.
Possibly because the emotion expressed is so raw. We're not used to raw from Emily.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: cabbagehut on 09 Jul 2015, 06:34
Oops, you're right!  My mistake :)  It's been a while since those arcs, and I had forgotten.  She actually has shown interest in other people, and it seems like they have formed actual friendships.

So, I take it back!  Sorry!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Deadcoder on 09 Jul 2015, 06:37
Am I the only one who wants to give Emily a hug after 2999?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: anahata on 09 Jul 2015, 06:44
Am I the only one who wants to give Emily a hug after 2999?

I was hoping Clinton would do that!
If Emily reciprocated enthusiastically, it would be quite the turning point for #3000.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Thrudd on 09 Jul 2015, 06:57
Am I the only one who wants to give Emily a hug after 2999?
Hugz NOW!!!  :-D
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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Jul 2015, 07:10
I'm....conflicted about this.

while part of me gets behind Emily for her stance, i find that her logic is also the logic used by total assholes to justifying being said assholes.

i know the whole thing about being yourself is important, but sometimes you have to give a little for the sake of those around you. of course it is a bit different in Emily's case since her behaviour doesn't HURT people, so its better there but..

As you said though, it really isn't the same thing though. Emily being weird doesn't hurt anybody around her. And if it does and they point it out, she apologizes. An asshole does what they do because they want to hurt people. Intent really does matter. People don't get angry at assholes because they are different. They get angry because assholes set out to cause harm to others, or at least think it's funny when they unintentionally do so and refuse to apologies or change their behavior. It's the classic difference between being what you are and doing what you do. They are not analogous things.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 09 Jul 2015, 09:36
I'm....conflicted about this.

while part of me gets behind Emily for her stance, i find that her logic is also the logic used by total assholes to justifying being said assholes.

i know the whole thing about being yourself is important, but sometimes you have to give a little for the sake of those around you. of course it is a bit different in Emily's case since her behaviour doesn't HURT people, so its better there but..

gah.

i can't find the words for this.

i mean, its good and i approve for the sentiment but... something feels off to me, you know?
I totally get you on this. She accuses people of being lazy for not trying to see past the weird, and yet she's unwilling to put forth the effort to give any indication that there is anything beyond the weird, or, like she's doing here, explaining how she is.

People are often averse to people they don't understand, or people who aren't like them. You can't expect people to make an effort to understand you, if you aren't willing to -help- them understand you. And if that's the case, most people don't have the time or inclination to decrypt someone who doesn't give the appearance of wanting to be decrypted. Am I making any sense here?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Jul 2015, 10:02
That isn't what she is saying at all though. She's not saying people are lazy for looking past the weird. She admits there IS nothing past the weird. That it's not an act, she doesn't have hidden depths. She is what she is, and she shows it. She says people are lazy because they see the weird and instead of trying to accept that's the way she is, they just write her off. Kind of like people on the forums do. "Oh, she's just a one note wacky character". And then dismiss her. She just wants to be accepted for her weird, wacky self.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 09 Jul 2015, 10:34
I think the assertion that's she's always just been weird is false though. There were a lot of more 'normal' moments, the character has just jettisoned a lot of that aspect as the strip focuses on the other stuff going on and only goes to her for comic relief. I find this strip offputting, because it's clearly directed at the audience to stop interpreting Emily in a specific way, but that interpretation is based wholly on what moments are depicted. I would never reduce a real person by calling them random, but I might reduce a character that is a construction in that way. I feel like a good example is how the Emily kiss was dealt with. Even Marten, who took it seriously, still had a moment where he's imagining Emily bringing him a basket of mice because she's so unfathomable as person who might like someone else. In the end they never followed up with her, so I was left feeling like Emily was used as a device to inspire a bunch of "real talk" without ever having to deal with her motivations because it's acceptable to just treat her as "a weird person who does weird things."

I'm glad it resonated with people, and I like Emily fine, but I can't really do anything with this strip mentally without seeing what it will mean in the future.

Aside: my favourite Emily moments are her discussions with Momo about AI emulating human interaction, pretty much all her interactions with Claire (including the "giving peas a chance" strip) and the aforementioned nature walk with Marten and Sam.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 09 Jul 2015, 11:06
She's saying it's other people's problem, not hers, if they misunderstand her (I feel the same, BTW); but then she's showing every sign of being annoyed about it, which is somewhat at variance with that.  I find what she's saying a bit confusing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 11:48
Speaking as someone who writes strips, if a strip does not say X and you state it is clearly saying X, you are wrong.

Speaking a someone who studies opportunities to advertise strips, Jeph pulls something 2.8 million uniques a month, summing to about 130,000 per day. Bear in mind these are just in terms of visitors who aren't using ad blockers. While he's certainly talked to fans via the strip in the past, not everything is a message to what happens here or over on reddit.

Since he's been less interest in dialogue, I'd be pretty disappointed in him if he went to all the trouble of nigh two weeks worth of strips, just set up a moment where Emily monologues to us.

But that's me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 09 Jul 2015, 12:26
As someone who also has ADD or more specifically ADHD I will echo the sentiment that Emily exhibits many of the earmarks of someone who is highly intelligent with attention deficit issues. I have also embraced my "weirdness" though it can come with social anxiety problems because I don't know how to interpret social cues.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Ellemar on 09 Jul 2015, 12:29
Welcome, new person!

Also, how interesting that Jeph has never mentioned ADHD, but has managed to portray the behaviour (and the reactions of others to it)  so accurately that it can be easily recognised by someone who knows.


Thanks! Yeah, it's something that's not portrayed as nearly often as it should be. Since I love comics so much, I've been trying to find some with ADHD characters or even discussion, but the only ones that I've found
are like, one shot newspaper funnies, and those are always pretty derogatory and misinformed. Nice to kind of find it here though!

This new update made me so happy, that I was moved enough to actually register in the forums so I could post about it. So, here's my first post ever. Sorry it's so long, and hope it makes sense.

Thank you, Ellemar. I don't say this as much as I should, but I always find it rewarding and useful to read the perspective of someone who relates as closely to a character as you clearly have. It reminds me that these characters aren't just abstract ideas that Jeph has rattling round in his head.

Yeah, it's something that he really excels at. As a long time fan of Jeph's comic, it means so much to me to have a character that I can at least somewhat relate to. I know it wasn't his intention, but this new portrayal of Emily made me love it even more.

This new update made me so happy, that I was moved enough to actually register in the forums so I could post about it. So, here's my first post ever. Sorry it's so long, and hope it makes sense.

As someone else diagnosed with ADHD, thanks so much for posting this.  And welcome to the forums!

You're very welcome! Folks like us have got to stick together ;) I almost didn't post it at all, because I was worried that it sounded dumb, but I figured there might be someone out there who would potentially benefit from it. And thanks! I'm a bit of a nervous poster, so I'll try and stick around!

As someone who also has ADD or more specifically ADHD I will echo the sentiment that Emily exhibits many of the earmarks of someone who is highly intelligent with attention deficit issues. I have also embraced my "weirdness" though it can come with social anxiety problems because I don't know how to interpret social cues.

Hahaha we're all starting to come out of the woodwork now! I know what you mean about the social anxiety problems. That's huge part of the ADHD package for me as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 09 Jul 2015, 13:06
I have found that ADHD is both wildly over diagnosed and poorly understood in those of us that actually have it. It seems to me that every kid under the age of ten has at least been considered having ADD. While those of us that are legitimately diagnosed just have one prescription after another thrown at us, most of which are at ridiculous doses that turn us into zombies.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 09 Jul 2015, 13:09
Hahaha we're all starting to come out of the woodwork now! I know what you mean about the social anxiety problems.

Being supportive of people peering nervously over the parapet is something we try hard to do well in this forum.  Welcome, both!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Ellemar on 09 Jul 2015, 13:41
I have found that ADHD is both wildly over diagnosed and poorly understood in those of us that actually have it. It seems to me that every kid under the age of ten has at least been considered having ADD. While those of us that are legitimately diagnosed just have one prescription after another thrown at us, most of which are at ridiculous doses that turn us into zombies.

Yeah, I feel like the overdiagnosis is a problem because people mostly focus on Hyperactivity as the main sign of ADHD, when it's such just one of many others. I find that most people I talk to know little to nothing about what ADHD actually is, and say things like "Well, I mean, everyone has trouble paying attention sometimes, so doesn't that mean we ALL have ADHD?" Hahaha, incorrect. Also, a huge problem is that most of the diagnosis standards are based on how boys and men experience ADHD, meaning that girls and women are woefully underdiagnosed. This is part of the reason why it took me so long to be diagnosed. I haven't tried medication yet actually, but planning on giving it a go this month, just to see what it feels like. I've heard it can be a huge pain though :/

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Tova on 09 Jul 2015, 13:51
She's saying it's other people's problem, not hers, if they misunderstand her (I feel the same, BTW); but then she's showing every sign of being annoyed about it, which is somewhat at variance with that.  I find what she's saying a bit confusing.

To sum up what might otherwise be a rambling post, I think the clue to your confusion is that her stated value is probably an aspirational one rather than a successfully lived one.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 14:09
She's saying it's other people's problem, not hers, if they misunderstand her (I feel the same, BTW); but then she's showing every sign of being annoyed about it, which is somewhat at variance with that.  I find what she's saying a bit confusing.

To sum up what might otherwise be a rambling post, I think the clue to your confusion is that her stated value is probably an aspirational one rather than a successfully lived one.
She's saying it's other people's problem if they can't accept her.

Important distinction from understanding, acceptance is.

It sucks being rejected, even if it's rejection because of someone else's issues, even if it is rejection that proves you're better off without that person in your life.

Emily is weird, and she knows it. Emily labels herself weird. She doesn't mean people just using the label are bad, hurtful, or rejecting. She's actually saying that people use weird and random as terms specifically to minimize, distance and other her.

"They hurt me, then I realized," are the words that describe a coping mechanism. We often say and mean them in the past tense, but the truth is it often means "they hurt me every time but I remind myself."

People can (I think) rightfully carry a bit of bitter over having to have coping mechanisms, even long after they've truly reached the point of "doesn't hurt anymore."

Emily, I think, is a sociable person and the general reactions of people to who she is reduces her opportunities to connect. Knowing that it is, in fact, okay to be you doesn't make being you less lonely.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Y on 09 Jul 2015, 14:46
I thought being random is usually considered cute. I suppose humans generally try to be random or unpredictable to appear more human and less robot like. Then there is the weirdness appeal or how did the song go again "...I think you're crazy. Just like me.". Well I hope that didn't sound too random, as usually I carefully reflect about what I'm saying until a point it's too late to say it. Then if it's online chances are high once you post something you're going to offend at least one person, which is also the reason I barely post anything on Facebook since I don't like making enemies.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 15:15
Emily is not really crazy like anyone, though.

Random is a catch all term for things people don't grok. Emily's comment "whatever that means" sums that up nicely. Like most adjectives, what one person means by random might be completely different than what another means, at least in terms of whether it is a good thing. Emily seems to be suggesting that she has some bad experiences with that label, and that's rather important in real life (if not so important to this QC arc). It doesn't matter if random usually = cute. For Emily, random = insult.

It's kind of like how for the majority lobster = delicacy but for me lobster = giant sea bug and BY THE HOLY BEARD WHY ARE YOU EATING THE GIANT SEA BUG?

It doesn't mean you can't think of lobster as a good thing. It just means that if you want to be my friend, you shouldn't serve me lobster.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: amykathleen on 09 Jul 2015, 15:42
1. I love Emily's facial expression in the last panel.  She's all sassy and it's great.

2. I'm happy to see a text-heavy strip in the new format.  I've missed the text-heavy style of QC since the format change.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 09 Jul 2015, 15:42
Emily is Emily

And we wouldn't have her any other way
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 09 Jul 2015, 16:09
Ok, didn't want to bring this up, since i don't like doing so. people all to readily assume i'm using it to excuse things when i do. I a have Autism, not severely, just the Aspergers side on things, but it does affect me in certain areas, mostly social. despite my best efforts, i am terrible with the body language of others, and i used to be a heck of a lot worse. when i was in Secondary school and early College, without hyperbole i was Emily level nutball because i just didn't get a read on the appropriate/inappropriate scale of social behaviours.

In time, i have learned that i have my quirks and that i can accept them, and so can others. but i also learned restraint. because that's the most important thing.   while the world does need to accept you, you also need to accept the world. you give a little, you play down your differences, you make the effort to act polite and respectable and with dignity, because if you don't you're like a immature child screaming that the world is not exactly how you want it.  it's fine to be yourself around friends, its the best place to be yourself, but generally, you need to make the effort to overcome your flaws. you do not say, "my flaws are a part of my positives, it's a complete package, take it or leave it."

I'm a mere 22 years old . But even then, i didn't get into the internet proper until i was 17-18. and all over the place i found people who insisted, Insisted, the world cater to them because they were special, and unique, and everyone should be themselves. it really rubbed me the wrong way. you don't sit back and demand the world come to you, you bloody well climb down of your high horse and meet the world half way!

ok.. i'm sure i got off topic in there somewhere, but my god i needed to vent that, i think it's been pent up a while.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: danuis on 09 Jul 2015, 16:59
Page 3000: Cerebrus enters the room. War is beginning. Hanner's orbiting space station comes down. Economy gets bad. AI revolts in earnest. And the dog gets strung.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 17:17
it's fine to be yourself around friends, its the best place to be yourself, but generally, you need to make the effort to overcome your flaws. you do not say, "my flaws are a part of my positives, it's a complete package, take it or leave it."

Why, exactly?

I'm 42 years old, and I've spent longer than you've been alive trying to overcome my flaws. I might even be a better person for it. It's done jack shit for my relations with others. If that's the goal, and it seems to be in this context, I can tell you straight up, it's not worth it.

Take me with my flaws or GTFO. If you insist on staying and rejecting my flaws, I'm leaving. I will burn that bridge and salt the earth around it so that nothing may grow there because it is a damned sight better than swallowing all the pain of a pretense of a relationship.

I'm not saying my way is the best way. I am saying yours isn't either. We all have different needs and different tolerances. I thought the road to happiness involved other people. For me, it does not. If it does for you, cool beans. No problem at all. But why should anyone, real or Emily, have to do it your way?

I certainly understand that you might have issue with people demanding special treatment, but Emily isn't doing that. I don't do that. Largely because I don't feel obligated to give anyone else special treatment, but also because it is futile. But experience has taught me that world doesn't give a damn what you do, so long as no one can prove it was a crime (sometimes they give you pass then too. Roman Polanski). Conform only to the minimum extent necessary, and immediately begin plans so that you can arrange to dispense with that, if possible. That's how I see it, simply because playing by the rules has generated nothing more than not playing.

Your fuel efficiency may vary.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CM_albion on 09 Jul 2015, 17:34
it's fine to be yourself around friends, its the best place to be yourself, but generally, you need to make the effort to overcome your flaws. you do not say, "my flaws are a part of my positives, it's a complete package, take it or leave it."

Why, exactly?


I can respect your greater degree of life experience, and your stance. rather than debate which of us is objectively right, i will state my case in answer to your question.  who knows, maybe in 20 years i'll see it your way.

I take that veiw, because, in my opinion, Flaws are just that, flaws. they are wrong things, abnormalities if you will. We as humans get only one life in this world, so what other use do we have for it beyond trying to be the best person we can, and achieving the most we can? a central part of that is overcoming ones flaws.  It behooves every one of us to strive to overcome any and all obstacles towards being the best you possibly can, be those in your life, or in your own head.  Autism is one such obstacle, perhaps the largest in my life, but i will be damned if i allow myself to be weak enough to let it rule over me. there is No handicap it can force upon me that will not endeavor to force away from myself to be the best i possibly can.  I've seen all the naive propaganda about how being Autistic makes you "special" from groups like the British NAS, and i can't bring myself to buy into it. It is nothing more complicated and a malign curse thrust on me by chance and i will not let it dictate what i am capable of.  We get one singlar shot at life before it all ends forever, and i refuse to accept that MY chance, and ANYONE'S single chance should be corrupted from the very moment of birth, By any form of mental disability.
Striving with one's every waking moment to overcome is the only option. 

that being said, if any of the faithful in the world are right and we meet some kind of supreme being after death, i'm punching him in the face.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 09 Jul 2015, 17:43
Introspective Emily bends my suspension of disbelief. I mean, have we ever heard Raven talk like that?
Part of being cutely chirpy and weird is never wondering why you're cutely chirpy and weird.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 18:03
I can respect your greater degree of life experience, and your stance. rather than debate which of us is objectively right, i will state my case in answer to your question.  who knows, maybe in 20 years i'll see it your way.

I take that veiw, because, in my opinion, Flaws are just that, flaws. they are wrong things, abnormalities if you will. We as humans get only one life in this world, so what other use do we have for it beyond trying to be the best person we can, and achieving the most we can? a central part of that is overcoming ones flaws.  It behooves every one of us to strive to overcome any and all obstacles towards being the best you possibly can, be those in your life, or in your own head.  Autism is one such obstacle, perhaps the largest in my life, but i will be damned if i allow myself to be weak enough to let it rule over me. there is No handicap it can force upon me that will not endeavor to force away from myself to be the best i possibly can.  I've seen all the naive propaganda about how being Autistic makes you "special" from groups like the British NAS, and i can't bring myself to buy into it. It is nothing more complicated and a malign curse thrust on me by chance and i will not let it dictate what i am capable of.  We get one singlar shot at life before it all ends forever, and i refuse to accept that MY chance, and ANYONE'S single chance should be corrupted from the very moment of birth, By any form of mental disability.
Striving with one's every waking moment to overcome is the only option. 

that being said, if any of the faithful in the world are right and we meet some kind of supreme being after death, i'm punching him in the face.

Perhaps. Perhaps.

OTOH, flaws may not be wrong things. They may, instead be value judgments. Just because the majority assigns a value to a thing, it doesn't follow that everyone should or that the value is reasonable.

Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution says I'm only .6 human. Is that flaw on my part?

We're all flawed. We're all broken in our own, beautiful, unique snowflake way. We do only get one shot, and we aren't boilogically capable of living long enough to correct all the flaws. The idea that I should improve myself, I guess it bore some fruit, but it was also the single most destructive, time wasting, and futile idea anyone ever put in my head.

Sometimes I wonder about it. I certainly benefit, even today, from some of that, but at what cost. My art method works so well that I have to continually remind people how I do it, lest they feel cheated finding out from someone else. That's the curse of excessive perfectionism. But if I'd been willing to act earlier, rather than waiting years trying to actually reach perfect, I'd probably be happier.

Too many times, I've put myself aside to accommodate friends, and it has never worked out. It just leads to them taking for granted. I had to give that up. For my sanity. Help people, sure. No problem. Stop being who I am for their comfort? No.

There are two ways to get ahead in life. Start ahead and cheat. Starting ahead is obvious. As for cheating, that starts with recognizing that one person's pleasure is another's poison. Flaws are just value judgments. It's better to look past that and figure out what you can use, what can be exploited, and what you can live with. Self-improvement is meaningless unless you've looked inward and built your own meter. Trying to use society's won't work because that goal post is always in motion.

Playing by the rules, as opposed to cheating, will only grind you down, because that is their purpose. To stifle dissent, to effect control over the masses.

Emily isn't struggling with non-function, beyond a worrying habit of summoning elder gods.  She's not fighting an inner demon (unless she secretly is an elder god). I do respect your struggle. As I said before, it may be the best, most right choice for you. But, and I say this as a guy whose only qualification is "hasn't died yet," it will serve you well (especially in that capacity of social function) to keep an open mind as far as how others muddle through from birth to telomere depletion.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 09 Jul 2015, 20:19
1. I love Emily's facial expression in the last panel.  She's all sassy and it's great.

2. I'm happy to see a text-heavy strip in the new format.  I've missed the text-heavy style of QC since the format change.

I think that the text needed to be rather heavy here, just for what Emily is trying to communicate.  Jeph seems to always hate his art style, or other things about his work, which I think makes him a better creator in some ways, since it means that even if something "works" well, he'll question it. 

The thing about this strip that I have found most interesting is the contrast betwixt Emily and Clin-ton.  They both have problems dealing with social interaction, but have reacted to them in different ways. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Heranje on 09 Jul 2015, 21:03
In time, i have learned that i have my quirks and that i can accept them, and so can others. but i also learned restraint. because that's the most important thing.   while the world does need to accept you, you also need to accept the world. you give a little, you play down your differences, you make the effort to act polite and respectable and with dignity, because if you don't you're like a immature child screaming that the world is not exactly how you want it.  it's fine to be yourself around friends, its the best place to be yourself, but generally, you need to make the effort to overcome your flaws. you do not say, "my flaws are a part of my positives, it's a complete package, take it or leave it."

I logged in for the first time in years (just look at my av, I think I made that when I was 16 - all of 9 yrs ago) to say that I think you're right about a lot of this - but there needs to be a middle ground. And somehow I've launched into a big explanation of my life story to explain that so pls bear with me.

I've always been kind of a weird person. As a kid, I was targeted by my classmates because of that - I always refused peer pressure and never made an effort to fit in with the crowd or even compromise ("I don't want to play that game and I don't care that you all want to play it, I won't"), I would forget other kids' birthday parties because I was caught up in a book, I used "weird", "too big" vocabulary, I was the nerdy girl in class who would tell our teacher if she forgot to give us an assignment (much to the anger, of course, of the other kids). This all led to bullying, and not having many friends (actually, precisely 1 friend) - which in turn led me to take a very defensive "take me or leave me" attitude, where I basically thought "I am who I am, if people don't like me that's too bad for them, I'm just going to keep being me." And the thing is, as a kid who had anyway been singled out by my peers as "the one we don't like/bully", that was a very healthy attitude for me. It enabled me to still love and accept myself and live in my own way without worrying about how I was perceived by my peers because I'd decided their opinion didn't matter to me.

But when I went out into the other schools and contexts, it was with a defensive attitude assuming at the get-go that people weren't going to like me, still refusing to compromise or do anything to fit in/go along with the crowd which at some point became an excuse for not trying new experiences. I made friends, but was still very shut-in, and it took a friendship with social butterfly extrovert and moving to another country to finally teach me that no, everyone wasn't going to automatically dislike me the second we met, and assuming they would only led me to self-sabotage; and that it's not a terrible thing and betrayal of your own identity to make some effort to fit in, to downplay some of your eccentricities for "public consumption" and sometimes just go along with the crowd instead of always taking your own path. When I started being willing to compromise, my quality of life drastically improved - I suddenly was making lots of friends, and they liked me precisely because I had that hard core of owning and being comfortable and confident in who I was, even with a bit of "softening."

But the thing is, you can compromise and you can "soften" your oddities and flaws to make interactions with other people easier - I agree that stubbornly going your own way no matter what is not a good thing - but at the end, it is still very healthy to keep a core of "take me or leave me." Otherwise, you run the risk of basing your self-worth too much on the perception of others, and the truth is that no matter how much you try to bend and compromise, there are some people who just won't like you. The truth is that no matter how much you work on your flaws (working on your flaws is a good thing!), you're never going to eliminate them all - nobody manages to be a perfect person, everyone has flaws. And you have to be able to look at those flaws you can't eliminate, and the people that can't accept you for them, and the people that see something that you see as an asset and a part of yourself you don't want to lose as a crucial flaw, and say "hey, that's who I am, take me or leave me." You have to not let those people's opinions, or those "flaws" you can't get rid of, ruin your self-worth and make you feel like you need to keep changing until you're "perfect". Because you will never be perfect - none of us will.

This has nothing to do with QC directly I guess but I think Emily and what she's saying here are awesome. Own yourself and your weirdness, Emily. You go girl.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 09 Jul 2015, 21:09
Oh lordy. Clinton is going to turn into an endorphin junkie. He's been stung by the needle and there's no going back.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jul 2015, 21:23
I think they just made a genuine game-free personal connection.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 09 Jul 2015, 21:37
Oh lordy. Clinton is going to turn into an endorphin junkie. He's been stung by the needle and there's no going back.

Soon they will become a family of bikers. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2535)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 09 Jul 2015, 22:12
One of my friends did always say that tattoos were addictive.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 09 Jul 2015, 22:14
Oh lordy. Clinton is going to turn into an endorphin junkie. He's been stung by the needle and there's no going back.

Soon they will become a family of bikers. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2535)

Ha, forgot about that!  I can almost imagine Clinton and Claire egging each other on, too, to see which sibling is the most bad-ass.  With Marten and Emily looking on, respectively horrified and gleeful, in the background.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: MrNumbers on 09 Jul 2015, 22:26
That third panel
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Energia on 09 Jul 2015, 22:42
Emily faces a relationship headwind because other peoples' social autopilots don't have a well-practiced routine for how to deal with Emily-style interactions.  New migrants are caught out at the supermarket checkout when asked "How are you doing?"  The well practiced routine of answering "fine thanks" takes a while to embed.  So I would suggest that her "lazy" comment would rank with those of frustrated parents who don't really think their kids are little sh*ts, but who say it to a companion at the end of a long day.  Every day Emily sees things with her own eyes and interests, she wants to engage in conversations that are either off-key or off-script with those around her.

Given the above, I don't see her as a candidate for ADHD  - the core ADD bit seems to be missing.  Her executive function seems fine.

To those debating the "softening" of your individuality v "strongly being yourself," I refer you back to my headwind analogy.  When she conforms, she flies into the headwind and that will be tiring for her, but allows ease of interactions.  When she runs with the wind, she will feel better in herself, but at reputational cost.  Only Emily can decide where her balance sits.  She's going to have to fight the headwind every day without fail if she wants to follow a traditional career; so she is far more likely  to burn out and fail in the long run.  If she goes along with the wind, she'll eventually be dependent on others to support her in daily life - whether the others are friends, family or social services.  I think she's tacking in and out of the wind rather well at this stage in her life.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Undrneath on 09 Jul 2015, 23:22

Given the above, I don't see her as a candidate for ADHD  - the core ADD bit seems to be missing.  Her executive function seems fine.


The thing is ADD manifests itself in many different ways but most include what would be considered a lot of mental background noise and we usually have impulse control problems which is why we are seen as random or weird.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CompSarge on 09 Jul 2015, 23:27
I'm with Clinton on this one. I got a tattoo back in 2011, and while I haven't gotten one since I've been considering what I want to get next. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up getting several more before I die.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 09 Jul 2015, 23:31
Y'know, I think that they've going to be okay. Whether or not they're going to ultimately be a romantic couple, there's enough acceptance there for close friendship, maybe for life. They're willing to accept eachother and that's a big thing.

So, not a wham for strip 3000 but significant for all it is subtle. Clinton and Emily have decided that, actually, they are going to be friends and who knows what will follow that?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 09 Jul 2015, 23:40
The technological singularity is past in QC. I don't think Emily need really concern herself about a future career to conform to.

The singularity is the "point" where the rate of change become so fast that it exceeds baseline human comprehension. Think of it this way. 15 years ago, the idea of "Community Manager" as a career was strange. 10 years ago, carrying your music collection in your pocket was a new thing, not really that easy, and why would you want use your phone for it.

The Tesla Model S can control its speed in all environments and will obey the posted limits without further user input, if told to. If there's a car in front of it, it will even stop for you.

That's our reality.

What does this mean for QC? Well, it's a really easy way for Jeph to explain why technology keeps pace with the real world, despite the fact that it's about 2006 in comic. But aside from that, it means that, if he's doing that, technology in the comic has advanced 6 months in past 2 to 3 weeks.

Basically, everything Emily learned in CompSci is already obsolete. Fortunately, for her, there's probably some use for people who can code elder gods. I actually doubt QC will last so long as to need to follow Emily into the workforce, but should that happen, in a post singularity world, being the odd one is probably a strong advantage.

Still, there is the fundamental question of being a good worker drone IRL. I'm going to say something crazy and radical to all those folks struggling  with that. Maybe you shouldn't do it.

I know, crazy, huh? Here's the thing: The system is rigged. The system works best for people who conform. Sure, it is a death by a thousand papercuts, even for them, but for you, the person who doesn't quite fit, it's a thousand papercuts and nice salt rub before being set on fire. Unless you get lucky, and master the faking being a normal human, you'll end up in the hole anyway. As long as you're in the hole, it might as well be on your terms. By all means, find a job. Fly a desk. Try to surf the social waves. But figure out what your personal brand of strange does for you, and try to figure out how to make that into something, so you get out of the game. You'll be happier.

It's better than waking up one day in your forties and realizing you should have done it 20 years ago. The worst that will happen is you'll fail.

Or, let's look at it another way. Star Trek predicted flip phones and 3.5 inch diskettes 30 years before they happened in the wider world, (20 to 25 years before they happened). Star Trek predicted transparent aluminum in 1986. 29 year later, it's a thing (beyond synthetic gems). Star Trek introduced the replicator in 1989.

If it was just Star Trek, I'd say you can't take it seriously, but you can now buy desktop 3d printers for under 3000 USD. A quick back of the envelope suggests that in 7 to 9 years, the current level of tech in those printers will cost about 45.50 USD. Odds are, they won't sell them that cheap. Capitalist economy hasn't adapted as fast as the rate of techno change. That's why Apple plans ways to make old hardware useless before it fails (and why I haven't updated my ipod for 2 years). But, in the next decade, expect replicators. Maybe just version 1.0, but replicators.

Imagine how that's going to change market and demand for skills. While you're imagining that, hope to whatever you believe it that it's Star Trek's replicators and not StarGate's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Storel on 09 Jul 2015, 23:54
Or, let's look at it another way. Star Trek predicted flip phones and 3.5 inch diskettes 30 years before they happened in the wider world, (20 to 25 years before they happened). Star Trek predicted transparent aluminum in 1986. 29 year later, it's a thing (beyond synthetic gems). Star Trek introduced the replicator in 1989.

If it was just Star Trek, I'd say you can't take it seriously, but you can now buy desktop 3d printers for under 3000 USD. A quick back of the envelope suggests that in 7 to 9 years, the current level of tech in those printers will cost about 45.50 USD. Odds are, they won't sell them that cheap. Capitalist economy hasn't adapted as fast as the rate of techno change. That's why Apple plans ways to make old hardware useless before it fails (and why I haven't updated my ipod for 2 years). But, in the next decade, expect replicators. Maybe just version 1.0, but replicators.

Actually, Star Trek: TOS had food replicators, but (as the name implies) they were only used for food and drinks -- they weren't general-purpose. And the food was considered mediocre, at least according to most of the novels; I can't remember if anyone ever commented on the food quality in the show. So TNG did introduce general-purpose replicators, yes. Interesting that in Star Trek, organic replication came before inorganic, whereas our 3D printers are starting with inorganic.

Oh, and transparent aluminum is a thing now? Cool! I hadn't heard that. What can they do with it?

Imagine how that's going to change market and demand for skills. While you're imagining that, hope to whatever you believe it that it's Star Trek's replicators and not StarGate's.

Sorry, I never watched enough StarGate to know about their replicators. How are theirs worse than Star Trek's?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 10 Jul 2015, 00:02
They destroyed everything they touched and made more of themselves.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 00:06
They use it for ballistic glass. Only on small objects because it's expensive.

StarGate's replicators are small robots that, well, replicate. Themselves. That's pretty much all they do. They will make more themselves out of anything they can acquire.

Also, if you think about Trek based on the result rather than the tech description (after all, flip phones couldn't actually call space, back in 1999) the food processors were boxes that you opened and got a hot meal out of. Which is a microwave oven. So Trek is actually not doing too bad on that front.

We have crude food 3d printers. So, really, "thing that makes stuff" is the minimum bar to clear to have a replicator.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Energia on 10 Jul 2015, 00:08

Given the above, I don't see her as a candidate for ADHD  - the core ADD bit seems to be missing.  Her executive function seems fine.


The thing is ADD manifests itself in many different ways but most include what would be considered a lot of mental background noise and we usually have impulse control problems which is why we are seen as random or weird.

There is little evidence of impulse control problems with Emily, and her inner mental state isn't intruding into her daily functioning.  Her stimuli/interests are in question, not her attention.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: greywolfe on 10 Jul 2015, 00:17
Is it just me or does Clinton have an extremely short torso? Sitting down Emily towers over him, standing up she still does.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 10 Jul 2015, 00:21
Or, let's look at it another way. Star Trek predicted flip phones and 3.5 inch diskettes 30 years before they happened in the wider world, (20 to 25 years before they happened). Star Trek predicted transparent aluminum in 1986. 29 year later, it's a thing (beyond synthetic gems). Star Trek introduced the replicator in 1989.

If it was just Star Trek, I'd say you can't take it seriously, but you can now buy desktop 3d printers for under 3000 USD. A quick back of the envelope suggests that in 7 to 9 years, the current level of tech in those printers will cost about 45.50 USD. Odds are, they won't sell them that cheap. Capitalist economy hasn't adapted as fast as the rate of techno change. That's why Apple plans ways to make old hardware useless before it fails (and why I haven't updated my ipod for 2 years). But, in the next decade, expect replicators. Maybe just version 1.0, but replicators.

Actually, they predicted tablets as well with the data pads - and ours are far more advanced than the ones in the shows!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 00:38
Is it just me or does Clinton have an extremely short torso? Sitting down Emily towers over him, standing up she still does.

It's just you. Emily is tall.

She is, I think, the third or fourth tallest regular, after Dale. Probably 5th or 7th tallest overall. (Variability depends on how tall Veronica actually is.)

I think Wil is tallest. Then Sven, Jim, and Dale, then Emily, Henry, Veronica and maybe Maurice.

Clinton, OTOH, is among the shortest cast members.

(Wil and Sven aren't regulars atm, Veronica is. Jim is iffy.) Given Marten's 5'8" to 5'10" Emily is 5'10" to 6'1"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ThomasEll on 10 Jul 2015, 01:30
You say that, but back in school there was this really short guy, but when sitting down he was just as big as someone who was probably about a head taller than him, which is more of a difference than Emily has over Clintion (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2995)


Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 01:43
Not all torsos are created equal. Sitting, Clinton's plumage reaches Emily's eyebrows. Standing it's lower. He stands roughly the same height relative to Emily as Claire does. He and Claire are roughly the same height. Proportionally speaking, Clinton doesn't have a particularly short torso. Emily is just tall (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2207).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ZoeB on 10 Jul 2015, 04:03
I'm with Clinton on this one. I got a tattoo back in 2011, and while I haven't gotten one since I've been considering what I want to get next. I wouldn't be surprised if I end up getting several more before I die.
Because getting several more after you die would be a bit creepy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 10 Jul 2015, 05:03
The only tattoos I have are alignment marks from when I had radiotherapy 25 years ago.  I have no inclination to get any more!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: dexeron on 10 Jul 2015, 06:17
Sorry, I never watched enough StarGate to know about their replicators. How are theirs worse than Star Trek's?

Stargate's replicators were what Star Trek's Borg always should have been; an implacable, unreasonable, single-minded enemy that acted like insects (and actually looked like them too,) adapted to threats, and even gave the most powerful civilization around (the Asgard) a lot of trouble.

When they finally did introduce their variation of the "Borg Queen" (human form replicators with individual personalities) it wasn't Star Trek's weird "hey, we know we said they were a hive mind with no central authority... but we want a Queen, so RETCON!"  It was an actual evolution of the "species" after a particularly misguided attempt to wipe out the replicators went horribly wrong and locked them in a time dilatation long enough for their AI to continue to grow and become self-aware. ;)

Also: THEY LOOKED LIKE A LEGO PROJECT FROM HELL!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/dexeron/latest_zpsz5uijaib.jpg)

Each of the "blocks" that make up this insect are actually individual Replicators.  They're basically tiny super computers with one goal: consume resources and replicate (the story behind their creation is dealt with through various episodes.)  In order to fulfill their goal, they combine in various ways to defend themselves and more easily consume anything in their path.  The insect form is the most common variation.

And since the main character of Stargate is played by Richard Dean Anderson, the show basically turns into "MacGyver vs. Lego Spiders" and it is awesome.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Oglokoog on 10 Jul 2015, 06:45
Welcome to the wonderful world of tattoos, Clinton!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 10 Jul 2015, 07:24
Is it just me or does Clinton have an extremely short torso? Sitting down Emily towers over him, standing up she still does.

It's just you. Emily is tall.

She is, I think, the third or fourth tallest regular, after Dale. Probably 5th or 7th tallest overall. (Variability depends on how tall Veronica actually is.)

I think Wil is tallest. Then Sven, Jim, and Dale, then Emily, Henry, Veronica and maybe Maurice.

Clinton, OTOH, is among the shortest cast members.

(Wil and Sven aren't regulars atm, Veronica is. Jim is iffy.) Given Marten's 5'8" to 5'10" Emily is 5'10" to 6'1"
Don't forget Elliot!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Mr_Rose on 10 Jul 2015, 07:54
Or, let's look at it another way. Star Trek predicted flip phones and 3.5 inch diskettes 30 years before they happened in the wider world, (20 to 25 years before they happened). Star Trek predicted transparent aluminum in 1986. 29 year later, it's a thing (beyond synthetic gems). Star Trek introduced the replicator in 1989.

If it was just Star Trek, I'd say you can't take it seriously, but you can now buy desktop 3d printers for under 3000 USD. A quick back of the envelope suggests that in 7 to 9 years, the current level of tech in those printers will cost about 45.50 USD. Odds are, they won't sell them that cheap. Capitalist economy hasn't adapted as fast as the rate of techno change. That's why Apple plans ways to make old hardware useless before it fails (and why I haven't updated my ipod for 2 years). But, in the next decade, expect replicators. Maybe just version 1.0, but replicators.

Actually, Star Trek: TOS had food replicators, but (as the name implies) they were only used for food and drinks -- they weren't general-purpose. And the food was considered mediocre, at least according to most of the novels; I can't remember if anyone ever commented on the food quality in the show. So TNG did introduce general-purpose replicators, yes. Interesting that in Star Trek, organic replication came before inorganic, whereas our 3D printers are starting with inorganic.

Oh, and transparent aluminum is a thing now? Cool! I hadn't heard that. What can they do with it?
TOS didn't have replicators; they had protein synthesisers that produced "meat" or "potato" or whatever specific blend was deemed to be each comestible then they had automated processors that assembled those into appropriately shaped lumps for delivery to the consumer according to their programmed diet plan in the tapes they put into the food terminals. Think like the entire food universe is nothing but nuggets, be they chicken, beef, potato, or leek.
The replicators assemble digital copies of actual food items that existed once. And the TNG replicators also made all the cutlery from the start so they were well capable of mechanical objects even then.

As for transparent aluminium, it's actually an aluminium based ceramic much like sapphire, but it's certainly close enough for government work.

Imagine how that's going to change market and demand for skills. While you're imagining that, hope to whatever you believe it that it's Star Trek's replicators and not StarGate's.

Sorry, I never watched enough StarGate to know about their replicators. How are theirs worse than Star Trek's?
Monomaniacal little robot bugs that consume everything nearby in order to make more of themselves, forever. They were exceedingly dangerous even before they developed true AI and the ability to plan. Then they copied Carter and everything went to hell in a hand basket…
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: poofdepoof on 10 Jul 2015, 14:38
The only tattoos I have are alignment marks from when I had radiotherapy 25 years ago.  I have no inclination to get any more!

https://xkcd.com/933/
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: poofdepoof on 10 Jul 2015, 14:42
I enjoyed the thoughts that Emily expressed here, though I did find the way she expressed it somewhat jarring/OOC-ish, as I think many people have expressed above. In any case, QC has had some rocky characterization things before, so I just take the overall gist and cheer the characters on.

Do any of you read Dumbing of Age? I really liked Dina's recent "equivalent outburst," though I thought it was done very naturally and believably:
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/safe-2/
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/hypotheses/
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 15:03
Don't forget Elliot!

Too late!

Not sure how Elliot fits in. I suspect like Wil tall or more. I did forget about him.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jul 2015, 15:19
Can anyone find the one where he's standing next to Hanners? I wouldn't be surprised if he's a solid 6'4".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: celticgeek on 10 Jul 2015, 15:40
Here - 1925 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1925)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jul 2015, 16:02
Actually, I think in those first three panels Clinton is still sitting, which would make Emily appear taller than she really is at that moment, even though she is taller than Clinton as has been shown before and in the last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jul 2015, 16:14
Well of course he's sitting in the first three panels.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jul 2015, 16:17
We both spotted it straight away MoM, but I think some of the others didn't catch that little fact with her towering over Clinton like she was.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 10 Jul 2015, 16:23
Yeah, but she's towering over him by at least a foot less in the last panel than in the first three, ha.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 16:31
Wait. You mean that dude didn't notice that Clinton stood up?

IDGI

Is it kind of obvious? Emily's standing from panel 1. Clinton isn't, until the last panel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 10 Jul 2015, 16:48
Sometimes it can happen.

It all depends on whether you think Jeph is placing emphasis on Emilys comments by making her look even taller than Clinton in those first three panels or not.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 10 Jul 2015, 17:07
I don't think about height cues too much since I started my own work. "Camera" angle can make characters look much taller than they are.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Jul 2015, 17:42
Or shorter.  Look at those filthy hobbitses.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 10 Jul 2015, 20:24
Can anyone find the one where he's standing next to Hanners? I wouldn't be surprised if he's a solid 6'4".

We do have a comparison of Emily and Elliot, by proxy, in 2937 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2937)

Emily is shorter than drunken asshole, who is in turn shorter than Elliot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 10 Jul 2015, 21:38
I think that it's safe to say that Emily is quite tall.  Claire and Clin-ton are rather short.  Since, in a lot of ways, Marten is the "average" guy, I'll place him in the "average" height category for a USian male, which, IIRC is about 5'10".  Hanners is somewhat tall, at about 6', so Emily probably has a few inches on her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Storel on 10 Jul 2015, 23:32
StarGate's replicators are small robots that, well, replicate. Themselves. That's pretty much all they do. They will make more themselves out of anything they can acquire.

Ohh, that kind of replicator. Ouch, yeah, not nearly as much fun as Star Trek's kind.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 11 Jul 2015, 00:18
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2273

Hanners is about the same height as Marten. So 5'8" to 5'10" per the word of God.

Emily is, thus, 5'10" to 6' and  Elliot is...

Beard, that's a big fella, innit?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 11 Jul 2015, 05:18
Hanners is about the same height as Marten. So 5'8" to 5'10" per the word of God.

Elliot is...

Beard, that's a big fella, innit?

Doorknobs are typically between 3 and 4 feet from the floor, so here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1930) it would be about 3 foot (+/- 1 inch).

That would mean Elliot is well over 6' 4".

Too bad we can't see the top of the door, that would make it a lot easier to figure out, standard door height is 6'8" to 7'0".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 11 Jul 2015, 05:43
It;s hard to say. Emily seems to being drawn a tad short compared to Clinton in the Elliot Cameo. I hadn't noticed it but it's there. Unless the back counter area at CoD is raised, Hanners is either too tall or Emily too short.

Compared to Hanners in the Secret Bakery, he'd be clocking about an inch or so on Sven, which would put him as a bit shoter than Wil. I'd like to do dive and see if there's a shot where both Elliot and Wil are standing in the Horrible Revelation, but I don't think there is.

Hanners is definitely about Marten's height, and Emily is definitely 2 inches or so taller than Marten, so the recent scene inside CoD can't be right unless Hanners is on a raised area or in heels (which seems unlikely for a host of reasons)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 11 Jul 2015, 07:15
I quickly googled this and found that, at least at some point, Jeph does heights more relatively than holistically. So, it's kind of hard to establish a full chart unless the characters are in the same panel. I think it's why Faye's been drawn a lot shorter than Hannelore in some recent strips. He probably just prefers that relative scale, rather than it being a "true" size. I also remember something about him considering Hanners [slightly] taller than Marten (http://jephjacques.com/post/11940736839/qa-dump-14) in recent times, despite them starting around the same height.

I dunno if something's changed since then though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 11 Jul 2015, 07:54
Somewhere is a discussion about height where I -think- I had worked out a reasonable estimation of the characters present at the time.

I'd argue that Claire and Clinton are shorter than estimated here - I'd say Claire is more like 4 or 5, possibly 6 inches shorter than Marten. She's pretty petite, and shy o Faye by a couple of inches
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 11 Jul 2015, 08:10
Faye's maybe 2", 3" shorter than shorter than Dora, tops:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2186

I still say Dora's about the same height as Marten...

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1965

...as is Hannelore, with Marigold being 4-5" shorter:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2189

Steve is maybe an inch taller than Marten, but no more than that, I'd say:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2174

Sven is much taller than Dora:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2191

And of course, no one's disputing that Tai is tiiiiny:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2106

So, if Marten is average height (I'd say, 5'10"), that puts them as follows:

Marten 5'10"
Dora 5'10"
Faye 5'7"
Hanners 5'10"
Steve 5'11"
Sven 6'6" (being generous)
Marigold 5'5"
Tai 5' (5'2", tops)

Ah, there we go. This will probably work as a pretty accurate point of reference.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 11 Jul 2015, 08:34
Sven is height reduced, and this version is more consistent with recent appearances. Good thing too, because  6'6' makes Wil like 6'9"
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1753.

He's probably no more than 6'3"

If Hanners has officially become taller than Marten, then she should only be slightly shorter than Emily, because Emily's no more than 2 inches taller than Marten. (Maybe 3, but that's pushing it.) There's not a lot of room there and Hanners does still seem to be not quite on Emily's level in her last appearance.

Still, the Emily Clinton ratio is a bit smaller than the Marten Claire ratio, and it shouldn't be.  With plumage included, the Augustus Duo stand the same height. Both are reaching right about to their respective paramours' eyebrows, which is wrong, since Emily is taller than Marten.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 11 Jul 2015, 08:39
Well, I did say I was being generous on Sven's height  :wink:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 11 Jul 2015, 09:31
He was 6'6" in that linked comic. He's just been demoted. Or had his legs cut off below the knees.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Timemaster on 12 Jul 2015, 23:22
Panel 1 is probably the funniest Emilyface ever. Maybe I´ll make it my avatar.  :-D

And I like this episode and the conclusion to this small Emily/Clinton-arc. We don´t knpw what they will make of it, but now they are on even footing. I suppose they´ll become friends, but not much more.

Panel 3 is very nicely drawn. It´s very optimistic and some kind of beautiful. I like it a lot.

TM
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: KOK on 15 Jul 2015, 02:21
Oh lordy. Clinton is going to turn into an endorphin junkie. He's been stung by the needle and there's no going back.

He does not need tatoos to get that endorphin rush. Marten's mom could give him a few tips.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: Edguy on 01 Aug 2015, 19:09
I'm a little late to the party (I binge-read, ok?!), but on the strip before the strip I found one of the most profile pic-worthy portraits I can remember seeing in QC.

So, any fans of Emily here, that would like a (new) profile pic?
(http://i.imgur.com/01afy01.jpg)

(I'd have aken it myself, but I have a Torg-only policy!)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 2996-3000 (6th to 10th July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Aug 2015, 19:42
I'm a little late to the party

Shoulda waited fourteen days, made it a whole month late from the last time someone posted here