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Title: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jul 2015, 07:15
In celebration of the marriage of Jeph's brother: Who do you think is likely to be the next marriage in Questionable Content?

Anyway, as I've said before, I think that we've seen the end of the "Faye's New Job" arc for the immediate future, although the Fight Club will certainly appear again and there will doubtless be consequences that we will see in the strip such as Faye having odd new robot 'friends' and maybe Marten getting worried about how secretive she's got recently (secretive behaviour being, as a rule, not a good thing for someone fighting addiction).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction: The reason Claire was with Marten last week was because it was Marten's day off from the library and Claire is no longer an intern there. The new school semester has started and she's a student again. I'd like for some exploration of her, Clinton and Emily's studies and student lives. Maybe we can learn about the careers that Clinton and Emily are looking to get after graduation and maybe Claire may get more than a little stressed out with reports, essays and other coursework. It would, IMHO, be another angle from which to look at her character.

As already indicated, it might also mean that Claire has more free time (there are probably few lectures and class-based activities for a final-year MLS student). That might mean we get to look at Claire in general in some new environments as she will have time to spend with Marten and the rest of his circle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 26 Jul 2015, 07:58
Steve and Cosette have been together the longest, I think (although Penelope and Will might beat them), so if anybody's going to start thinking about a lifelong commitment they would be the logical couple.

Pintsize and Bubbles might elope. There may be interesting legal ramifications to this in the QCverse - the "traditional marriage" folks might have something to say about robot marriages. I doubt Jeph will go down that road, though.

Momo and May? Nobody sails that ship but me, and even I don't really expect it to happen.  :-P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Endellion on 26 Jul 2015, 08:20
Steve and Cosette have been together the longest, I think (although Penelope and Will might beat them), so if anybody's going to start thinking about a lifelong commitment they would be the logical couple.

Pintsize and Bubbles might elope. There may be interesting legal ramifications to this in the QCverse - the "traditional marriage" folks might have something to say about robot marriages. I doubt Jeph will go down that road, though.

Momo and May? Nobody sails that ship but me, and even I don't really expect it to happen.  :-P

Jeph has done a robot wedding in the past (I'll get the link in a minute). I so wanted to put Momo and May but I'm pretty certain that's the most unlikely outcome.

Edit: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1149 I'm slightly off that it only mentions a bachelor party but if you extrapolate from there it does imply weddings.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Gladstone on 26 Jul 2015, 11:17
Pintsize and Bubbles might elope. There may be interesting legal ramifications to this in the QCverse - the "traditional marriage" folks might have something to say about robot marriages. I doubt Jeph will go down that road, though.

"It's Adam and Eve, not 4-LOM and EV-9D9!"

We're also forgetting how impulsive Veronica is.  Wouldn't be too much of a stretch for her and Jim to decide on marriage after only a few weeks/months together.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Jul 2015, 12:02
Y'know, I VOTED for Jim/Veronica, but on second thought, a Steve/Cosette wedding would be an interesting way to bring them back into the story and force a face-to-face with Faye and Dora...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jul 2015, 12:14
It'd also make more sense.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jul 2015, 12:21
Y'know, I VOTED for Jim/Veronica, but on second thought, a Steve/Cosette wedding would be an interesting way to bring them back into the story and force a face-to-face with Faye and Dora...

Other possible advantages:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jul 2015, 12:22
Wait, why would Dora be Maid of Honor? That doesn't make sense for Cosette or Veronica.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jul 2015, 12:33
Wait, why would Dora be Maid of Honor? That doesn't make sense for Cosette or Veronica.

For Cosette: "Because I'm your boss and, therefore, automatically your surrogate mother figure. And you're fired if you say no."

You can tell I've been reading Shortpacked! a lot recently, can't you?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jul 2015, 12:44
I've never read Shortpacked!...so no.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 26 Jul 2015, 13:00
Dora would be the flower girl because it seems to be her lifelong dream.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Deadcoder on 26 Jul 2015, 13:26
Tai would be the coolest flower girl ever. She's badass adorable.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Jul 2015, 13:27
Adorabadass.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 26 Jul 2015, 13:35
While I voted for The Unsinkable Ship, realistically I can see Jim and Veronica and Tai and Dora. Although Dora needs some character development where she stops keeping everyone at arms length first. After she gets that though I see no reason not to pull the trigger. It's not a couple I see ever breaking up, sends a progressive message and no chance of breaking the No Babies In QC rule.

Marten can't get married until the end.

Marigold and Dale and Clinton and Emily both way to early.

Steve and Cossette could actually happen, but they're not important enough characters for it to be a big deal. Maybe no ceremony/'while we were on a trip to vegas...'.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 26 Jul 2015, 13:39
It'd also make more sense.

So you say, but as it stands now, it's 5 to 4 in favor of Veronica and Jim.

Do they have a ship name? VeroniJim? Jeronica? VeroJima? Jimonica? For the purpose of quick typing, of course.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Jul 2015, 14:53
I voted for Tai and Dora.


Though I could see some drama on Doras part leading to her finally laying her demons to reast before Dora finally accepts Tai's proposal.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 26 Jul 2015, 17:49
Another possibility: Tai and Dora get married before they really should, and the shit hits the fan.

That said, it'll really be Veronica and Jim rushing into things next.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 26 Jul 2015, 19:59
Adorabadass.

Fighting over who gets to be flower girl is the next shoal water for MV Doratai.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 26 Jul 2015, 20:20
Tai I think needs to grow up a bit before she gets married - and frankly, I think it won't be Dora.  Their relationship feels very flingy to me, only because they seem to be living in different worlds still.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 26 Jul 2015, 20:50
What on earth happened to Sven's head?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Truec on 26 Jul 2015, 21:00
Sven should probably see somebody about that strange growth on the back of his head.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 26 Jul 2015, 21:05
How about Pizza Girl and an AU/QC universe Amazi-girl tying the knot?

Bad Sven!  Saying that in the last panel to Hannelore of all people is kinda creepy.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: neurocase on 26 Jul 2015, 21:06
This is Sven we're talking about. Like the title says, of course he has a man bun.

Also Hannelore's disgusted/creeped out face in the last panel is pretty great for Sven in general lately.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 26 Jul 2015, 21:07
I honestly believe that he really doesn't understand how he comes off. He's never really had to rely on his interpersonal skills to be successful, so it'd make sense that he's a bit stunted in the verbal-filter department.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 Jul 2015, 21:07
I did not even know who it was at first.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: improvnerd on 26 Jul 2015, 21:16
I can't imagine anyone but Sam as flower girl.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: electromgneticDstroyosaur on 26 Jul 2015, 21:18
Sven!  I love ripping on Sven!  Please stay (and also wreck shit)!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 26 Jul 2015, 21:26
I just realized this would be the perfect time for Faye to show up (and snark the hell out of Sven's hair).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 26 Jul 2015, 21:34
Not only did I not know whether that was Sven at first, I thought that was a woman at first.  I guess it's the "man bun"?  I remember when my hair was that short... could've sworn Sven's was lighter than that.

Jeph at least, from the commentary, does not seem inclined to forgive.

You know, I'm not sure if this matters, but I feel I should say "toxic presence" was a concept I was first introduced to... well... here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2882).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Tichy on 26 Jul 2015, 22:12
It seems like Sven is going for the "starving artist" look. I for one think his repentance is genuine, but since he tends to connect his identity to the outside (his looks, his audience, his lovers) he might have thought that was the only way. Or he just decided it would be easier to go halfisies: 50% repentance, 50% man-bun.

Maybe he's finally found that rhyme for "philandering (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1021)" and is now writing folk songs about the plump Georgia peaches and the man who dun' them wrong. Of course he had no reflection on whether the "sympathy sex" comment was really necessary with Hanners, since that's just the thing he'd do if there was any other girl  with whom he could have this conversation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Squiddlywinx on 26 Jul 2015, 22:12
What does Hannelore do with uneven breasts?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 26 Jul 2015, 22:22
Sven is going for the Hippy look
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Tichy on 26 Jul 2015, 22:28
What does Hannelore do with uneven breasts?

I don't know, the same as most other women? Don't really see the point with your comment, to be honest. (For anyone interested, here is Hannelore recounting her various symmetries and asymmetries: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1405)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 26 Jul 2015, 23:16
Sven Bianchi, ladies and gentlemen: The only man in QC to come across as a creepy letch when actually being nice and sincere. Being the more favoured child has its disadvantages. A total lack of social self-awareness, for example!

It's sad that he has decided that there is no point trying to mend fences with Dora but, I suppose, it's a sensible response, all things considered.

The news about Dora is bad. It's obvious to me that her estrangement from Faye is hurting her badly; as always, pride is getting in the way of taking needed action. I wonder if we're going to have a week looking into Dora's situation. Might this conversation inspire Hannelore to stage an intervention?

P.S.:
I wonder how long meeting to talk to Sven has been part of Hannelore's routine?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Tichy on 26 Jul 2015, 23:42
I wonder how long meeting to talk to Sven has been part of Hannelore's routine?

If she's tellng him all those news at this point, it can't be much of a routine I imagine. I quickly read over the first panel but I agree, the news on Dora sounds worrisome. It's a bit like the breakup, she also got more closed-off then (if I reacll correctly). We know she's one to linger on her regrets, and the ones that came with fireing Faye are definitely big ones.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 26 Jul 2015, 23:56
I still don't get how Sven is the bad guy in the Dora/Sven relationship?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 27 Jul 2015, 00:44
I'm pretty sure Dora7Sven is an edgy action flick. If I'm wrong, it will be.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: KevxD on 27 Jul 2015, 01:16
All man buns should be destroyed by fire.

I don't appreciate Jeph propagating this offence against mankind.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 01:21
All man buns should be destroyed by fire.

I don't appreciate Jeph propagating this offence against mankind.

*Points at board subtitle*

Relax, it's just a comic! :-D
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: aphanisis81 on 27 Jul 2015, 02:50
Ooh' the WCDT this week is gonna be fuuuuuun...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 04:27
How about Pizza Girl and an AU/QC universe Amazi-girl tying the knot?
Not sure Wil and Danny would be happy about that, but sure, why not.
I still don't get how Sven is the bad guy in the Dora/Sven relationship?
He's not. Neither of them are. Or both of them are. I'm not sure.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Lubricus on 27 Jul 2015, 04:43
How about Pizza Girl and an AU/QC universe Amazi-girl tying the knot?
Not sure Wil and Danny would be happy about that, but sure, why not.

It's just a matter of time before Danny ends up with Ethan anyway, by the looks of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Wildroses on 27 Jul 2015, 05:12
Oof. I don't know what makes me wince more. Hannelore's expression in the last panel clearly indicating she hadn't even considered the possibility of Sven pretending to be contrite about Dora to coax her into sympathy sex until he bought it up, or the fact that Sven doesn't realise that guys pretending to be contrite to get sympathy sex is a behaviour that is the exception, not the norm. That isn't the sort of thing most guys feel they need to explicitly state.

I'm kind of pleased he thinks that he only has himself to blame for not Dora not wanting anything to do with him. It shows he actually realises that he has done enough bad things which is great. There are plenty of self-centred jerks around who never get to that stage.

I've always been in two minds about Dora's Svenectomy. Breaking off all relations with an immediate family member is never a good thing and the part of me who thinks my only brother is one of the most wonderful and awesome person on the planet is still horrified and wants them to reconcile. Yet part of me was glad when Dora decided she would as I felt Sven really needed something big to make him realise how badly he behaves sometimes.

And I was pretty angry that he not only decided to tell Faye he loved her when he knew she had a boyfriend, he also expected to get credit for being honest with her and expected it to 'work' because he was the 'nice guy'. You're not, Sven. You're really not. I was glad SOMEONE was punishing him for that.

I'm not sure if that is right or wrong, but it is what I feel.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 05:18
I honestly wonder if Hannelore has a very special place in Sven's life. From early on, Jeph emphasised that Sven's runaway sex appeal has poisoned his relationships with almost every non-related woman that he's met, something that occasionally frustrates him to no end. However, in Hannelore, he has found a girl who, even if she finds him attractive, is psychologically incapable of acting upon it, at least at present. That's a relief for him because I think that he's on a strong rebound from Faye right now and I doubt he has the mental or emotional strength needed to even contemplate an intimate relationship with anyone.

I suspect that he really appreciates having a platonic female friend in his life and that is why he felt so free to tease Hannelore here (her reaction not being so much disgust as reacting to a friend making an off-colour joke).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 27 Jul 2015, 05:24
Woa. Sven, creepy as ... (1) !!!

About the poll: HANNERS !!!! *enters berserker mode and swings fireaxe very dangerously*


"It's Adam and Eve, not 4-LOM and EV-9D9!"
An actually working AI is always only 30 years away, since the 1960s. And even IF artificial intelligence would ever exists, and even IF they manage to give computers feelings (how would that one work ?!?), I kinda doubt computers will ever marry. The biological motivation is lacking.

Marten can't get married until the end.
Because life ends once you're married ?


(1): Yes, you're allowed to use any word you fancy at this spot. Especially those that would get, you know, hidden.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 05:35
Whoa. Sven, creepy as Sven!
Found the proper (1) :parrot:

Also, we frown on actual slurs, but you know we don't actually censor/discourage garden variety swear words, right?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Roxtar on 27 Jul 2015, 06:10
ick! man-bun! if you're going to try for that look, you need the massive beard to match it!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 27 Jul 2015, 06:15
Fighting over who gets to be flower girl is the next shoal water for MV Doratai.
Doratai? Tora tora tora! Oh wait... That sank ships, didn't it?

I didn't recognise Sven at all until the third panel when the penny finally dropped. And I don't think that hairstyle does anything for him.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 06:21
ick! man-bun! if you're going to try for that look, you need the massive beard to match it!
Or any beard, really.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: drewdane on 27 Jul 2015, 07:15
Ah, the man-bun.  International symbol of douchebaggery, sub-species S.N.A.G.*








*Sensitive New Age Guy
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: War Sparrow on 27 Jul 2015, 08:53
Ah, the man-bun.  International symbol of douchebaggery, sub-species S.N.A.G.*


*Sensitive New Age Guy

I don't know, man buns on huge dudes in heavy metal t shirts, pierced and tattooed to heck, walking a tiny adorable dog is one of my favourite things. The man bun is negotiable, but it adds a certain something. Of course, I've never seen a man bun except on dudes who look like club bouncers, so my experience is limited.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: marsman57 on 27 Jul 2015, 08:57
It's been so long, I can't even remember why Dora cut ties with Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 09:02
It's been so long, I can't even remember why Dora cut ties with Sven.

Allegedly it was because Sven approached Faye just before her break-up with Angus and asked her to take him back.

However, that was just the excuse. Dora has always been strongly jealous of Sven - his easy charisma, his effortless success and his strong relationship with their parents. Sven does have many bad qualities (he's narcissistic and has a huge entitlement complex, like a lot of people who were spoilt by their parents). Nonetheless, when Dora talks about him being 'a completely toxic personality', in many ways it is way he exists in her psyche as the avatar of everything she feels is unfair in her life that is the toxic thing. It distorts their every interaction and makes him appear a monster in her eyes.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: KOK on 27 Jul 2015, 11:42
Sven thinks it was his own fault that Dora cut him out of her life? Even if it had been his fault, I would not expect Sven to see it. For him to think it was when it really was a massive overreaction on Dora's part is surprising.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jul 2015, 11:43
Oh God no not Sven. And he has a twatty samurai bob!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 12:07
I prefer "samurai bob" to "man bun".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Welu on 27 Jul 2015, 12:13
I'm disappointed we didn't get to see the conversation between Dora and Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: FayeDouble on 27 Jul 2015, 12:18
Dora has always been strongly jealous of Sven - his easy charisma, his effortless success and his strong relationship with their parents. Sven does have many bad qualities (he's narcissistic and has a huge entitlement complex, like a lot of people who were spoilt by their parents). Nonetheless, when Dora talks about him being 'a completely toxic personality', in many ways it is way he exists in her psyche as the avatar of everything she feels is unfair in her life that is the toxic thing. It distorts their every interaction and makes him appear a monster in her eyes.

Damn straight, BenRG! I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.
Now, I'm going to say this and then duck behind the crate or oranges because I know it's a CRAZY unpopular opinion.

I like Sven. And I can see him ending up with Faye, because I think they make each other better. Sven got Faye to open up and try new things, and Faye made Sven realize that "loving them and leaving them" doesn't work.

*diving behind crates as tomatoes begin to fly*  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Jul 2015, 12:28
I'm with FD here, but also I believe that both have a long path to walk down before we can all (including Jephzibah) accept them as a couple.

*Grabs handballs and goes behind the same stack of crates*
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 27 Jul 2015, 12:34
I don't see them as a good match right now because of their personal issues. I think they are working on them though, and who knows what the future may bring. Both right now I think need some time away from the dating to work on themselves anyway. Faye to work on her drinking and finally come to grips with the suicide of her father. Sven to work on seeing women as something other than 'relative' and 'potential bed partner'. His friendship with Hanners is a huge step in the right direction, but as we saw today.. two steps forward and one back...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Jul 2015, 15:32
So, Sven's back in the mix

Could this lead to a run-in with Faye?

I don't think Jeph has brought him into the mix again after everything that's happened just for the hell of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: solemnwar on 27 Jul 2015, 16:24
Before his attitude around his ill-advised and creepy love confession, I would have supported a return to the Sven/Faye relationship. Now, though, I'm very much against it, because it feels like it would send the wrong message. If I were to support a return to that relationship again, Sven would have to go through some pretty intense soul-searching and life-changing... and have it happen much further down the line.

Also I still feel like Angus' departure from the comic was rather abrupt. He just... leaves. No further attempts to make things work, no talk with Marten or the rest of the gang, we don't even see him saying goodbye to Marigold. I kinda want to see him one last time for some proper closure to that character, y'know?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jul 2015, 16:32
I'd say that's a better reflection of real life. Often there are no big soap opera endings. Things just stop happening one day.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: DonInKansas on 27 Jul 2015, 17:18
Faye will scorn that man bun harder than she did Angus crying at anime.

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1445
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 27 Jul 2015, 17:36
That is not Sven.  That is his evil wannabe twin. Run, Hannelore!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: TheCollector on 27 Jul 2015, 18:01
Lol, gotta say, the slight jar of art in this comic made me think I had somehow ended up on an older page, lol. Took me a moment and page refresh before I noticed what they were saying. lol
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 27 Jul 2015, 18:03
So it's Nevs, not Sven
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Jul 2015, 18:32
Faye will scorn that man bun harder than she did Angus crying at anime.

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1445

He's gonna get scorned out of New Hampshire with that one then.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 18:47
You mean into New Hampshire? They're in Massachusetts, you know.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Jul 2015, 18:48
She'll scorn him into New Hampshire, then into Maine.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Jul 2015, 18:52
Got states mixed. And actually I probably wanted to write the town's name (which was Northhampton right?) but then cs133 came with excellence and I just had to leave it as-is.

Let's just say it's kinda late and I'm not good with geography.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 18:53
You put an extra h in there. Just Northampton.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Jul 2015, 19:03
A. No, Dora, you burned that bridge.
B. Good for Hanners, although Arby's is a little too insulting.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 27 Jul 2015, 19:19
Well, Hanners might want to enjoy her evildoing. If she turned CoD into something less insulting there's a possibility for her to not be able to enjoy delicious Arby's curly fries.

And we don't want that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: DonInKansas on 27 Jul 2015, 19:32
I'm with Hanners on this one.  I love me some Arby's curly fries.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 27 Jul 2015, 19:55
I'm with Hanners on this one.  I love me some Arby's curly fries.

Made it there before I could. Well-said.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: HannahRose on 27 Jul 2015, 20:14
As much as I love Hannelore, this one really isn't any of her business, regardless of whether she's right or not. It's one thing to voice an opinion as a friend, it's an entirely different matter to get hostile about it and try to force it.

Well, as hostile as Hanners could/would get anyway, but my point stands. :P
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 27 Jul 2015, 20:21
Last time Sven made amends to Dora, it was by giving her back her gothic witch princess.  This time, he's gonna have to go full goth.

Hey, Pioneer Valley goth country isn't that much more outré than Pioneer Valley country.  Gotta be a niche.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Toe on 27 Jul 2015, 20:44
Jeph apparently meant to link this, but put .jpg instead of .png: http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/arbo.png
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 27 Jul 2015, 20:54
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 27 Jul 2015, 20:55
She probably carries a little perfume bottle of Absolut.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 27 Jul 2015, 21:23
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
This thought came to mind for me, as well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 27 Jul 2015, 21:25
I would like to thank some of the people, including BenRG, FD, and osaka (and one or two others), for stating what needed to be said about Sven and Dora.

p.s. Sven's comment to Hannelore is a lot less creepy when you remember that Dora is the woman he used to talk to the most.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 27 Jul 2015, 21:31
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
This thought came to mind for me, as well.
Especially since she's previously been reluctant to try Taco Bell. Not sure why she'd consider Arby's to be less terrifying.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 27 Jul 2015, 22:05
As much as I love Hannelore, this one really isn't any of her business, regardless of whether she's right or not. It's one thing to voice an opinion as a friend, it's an entirely different matter to get hostile about it and try to force it.

Well, as hostile as Hanners could/would get anyway, but my point stands. :P

Yeah, I didn't agree with Dora's choice, but I don't like Hanner's way of addressing it either. It's like sven has a superpower that makes everyone he interacts with behave in extreme ways. Glad to see some Dora stuff though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Deadcoder on 27 Jul 2015, 22:09
Hmm. Hannelore is using the resources at her disposal to attempt to repair a dysfunctional relationship. She even has a plan B in place "she might be bluffing". Oh god. Hannelore is the sane one. Perhaps that's Dora's realization that she's being an overreacting sexist slur removed by moderator
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 27 Jul 2015, 22:11
If Hannelore wanted to be insulting, she would have said Starbucks.

Though curly fries are abput the only thing left that I like about Arby's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 27 Jul 2015, 22:17
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
This thought came to mind for me, as well.
Especially since she's previously been reluctant to try Taco Bell. Not sure why she'd consider Arby's to be less terrifying.

Everyone say it together,
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e1UZ3bM1DQc/VbcOriJI_TI/AAAAAAAACU8/eLY1XZbE-P8/s800-Ic42/Glaring.png)

In other news... Okay, in the same news, Sven makes creepy comment and the deathsquads march. Hanners makes creepy comment and it's okay? Because Beatrice would probably utterly ruin the life of anyone if Hannelore asked her to.

It strikes me as a pretty symmetrical bit of boundary crossing, being examples of things both of them probably would have done in the past, without considering all of the consequences. Both are now at a point where they do think about the follow on from what they do but haven't quite fit that into the rules of polite conversation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Near Lurker on 27 Jul 2015, 23:04
Now I'm wondering what did happen to that couple Beatrice called in HHS on.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 23:27
Never forget whose daughter Hannelore is! Blood will always tell in the end! Besides, Dora is so good at denial and running away from her problems that some form of coercion is probably the only way to get her out of her comfortable defensive box.

I'm sure that Dora would be more impressed if she thought Hanners' threat was even slightly plausible!

I wonder if Hanners may actually go through with it? Coffee of Doom - The only coffee shop in the world where the landlord works as a barrista! All so she has some kind of leverage to force the boss to confront her personal demons.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 27 Jul 2015, 23:30
Sven burned that bridge? What did I miss? And Hannelore agrees with her?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 27 Jul 2015, 23:46
Sven burned that bridge? What did I miss? And Hannelore agrees with her?

No, Hannelore just knows that it is pointless trying to deprogram Dora's brain from a self-deceit that is close to a foundation stone for what passes for her stable psyche. Better to focus on moving her forward than get sidetracked into an argument that Dora can not allow her to win. There is time enough in the future to disabuse Dora of her delusions about Sven.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 27 Jul 2015, 23:48
Sven burned that bridge? What did I miss? And Hannelore agrees with her?

Sven agrees with her. So, I'm going to go ahead and say that's what happened and let it ride. History is written by the victors, and for her sins, Dora won.

I'm not even saying that Dora was wrong by calling them sins, though Dora is probably looking at it that way. Morality is relative, so who is right is only relevant to the points of view involved. Sven is tacitly acknowledging Dora's point of view as valid and defining for the situation. That'll be the end of it.

I will not look for you. I will not pursue you...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: swapna on 27 Jul 2015, 23:56
Sven burned that bridge? What did I miss? And Hannelore agrees with her?

In Dora's eyes, yes, but I don't think Hanners agrees. She just doesn't disagree openly, probably because she doesn't want to fight with Dora herself. (OH BenRG hijacked me and said it so much better. AUGH.) And I think it's so Hanners that she doesn't threaten Dora, she threatens to make threats.

I don't know if I want it to work. On the one hand, I couldn't imagine fighting with my brother so bad that I would cut ties. Sven's always been there for Dora, he followed her (stupid) rules (no flirting with employees, no matter how hard they come on to him... even though that's really none of her business), he took her in after her break-up with Marten and he at least tries to give good brotherly advice. (And he helped her MOVE. At least TWICE.)

On the other - Dora has to fix her problems alone, especially her massive pride and impulsive explosions. Tai might help, since she's not such a pushover and lets Dora feel the consequences of her actions instead of apologising right away. Hanner's heart is in the right place, but if Dora can't see her own faults and mistakes, she can't be accepting of others.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 28 Jul 2015, 00:38
Its really quite interesting - Hanners actually uses her wealth to do evil. I dont remember her ever doing that before.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: TinPenguin on 28 Jul 2015, 00:58
She's done it before. She got her mum to close down a restaurant (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1152) that accidentally gave Marten food poisoning.

In general, though, it's more like she recognises that using her parent's influence for evil is always there as an option (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2468), a last resort (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2443). That's if murdering her friends (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1576) doesn't work out.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: jaredstar1 on 28 Jul 2015, 01:14
am i the only one sick to freaking death of doras bratty attitude. its like wah  my brother has it easy because of natural talent.  wah my friends want to bone him wah.  honestly i think literally everybody else in the comic (including faye (even with her recent troubles)) has outgrown or is shortly going to out grow her
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Jul 2015, 02:01
FWIW, I'm expecting Dora to do something stupid tomorrow. She'll either send Hanners home for the day for insubordination or the two will have an argument in which Dora will come across as paranoid and terrified of the rest of the world. She might even close the shop early and retreat home to sulk.

I've been expecting Dora to snap for some time (since she fired Faye, actually). The only question as yet unanswered is whether she'll attack or run.

The best thing to happen to her would be to run into Faye coming home from the URFL* and the two to finally have that conversation in which they apologise to each other and Faye tells Dora just how alike they are in so very many ways.

* - Ultimate Robot Fighting League
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Jul 2015, 03:11
am i the only one sick to freaking death of doras bratty attitude. its like wah  my brother has it easy because of natural talent.  wah my friends want to bone him wah.  honestly i think literally everybody else in the comic (including faye (even with her recent troubles)) has outgrown or is shortly going to out grow her

Not completely, but then Sven is my least favourite character in the comic.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 28 Jul 2015, 03:25
The best thing to happen to her would be to run into Faye coming home from the URFL* and the two to finally have that conversation in which they apologise to each other and Faye tells Dora just how alike they are in so very many ways.
For what does Dora have to apologise to Faye? For not enabling her alcoholism? For not letting her endanger Dora's business*? For being upset with Faye lying to her to cover up her drunkenness? For behaving like Faye's boss?

am i the only one sick to freaking death of doras bratty attitude. its like wah  my brother has it easy because of natural talent.  wah my friends want to bone him wah.
And of course "Grrr! He hits on my friend and employee, on my business premises*, during the working day, in an extremely creepy, entitled, and inappropriate manner." That, after all, is what Dora means when she says that Sven burned the bridges with her. To describe her view as a "delusion", an observer presumably believes that it did not happen, or that his behaviour was acceptable, or that he has some sort of right to be judged indulgently by his sister regardless of how he behaves. And in-universe, apparently even Sven does not believe that.

On the other - Dora has to fix her problems alone, especially her massive pride and impulsive explosions.
Pride is the name we give to that, in other people, which we call self-respect in ourselves. Naturally it is regarded as a sin.

*It has always been a thread in QC that Dora's business is very important to her. I wonder whether, if Jim fired an employee for drunkenness, he would have attracted the same hate that Dora seems to. Because, you know, business is for men; a woman who acts like a boss is a bitch.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Jul 2015, 03:31
For what does Dora have to apologise to Faye? For not enabling her alcoholism? For not letting her endanger Dora's business*? For being upset with Faye lying to her to cover up her drunkenness? For behaving like Faye's boss?

For causing her friend pain, no matter how necessary and well-intentioned.

The first step to a functional friendship is a desire to live in peace. That means being willing to swallow your pride and realise that bad things can come from necessary and good acts and to show the correct level of humility to heal those wounds. Pride (which is nothing like self-respect but is, rather, a selfish view that you are more important than all other things and people) and a stubborn insistence that you were right all along is a short journey to living without friends in social isolation.

Burning bridges seems to be a Bianchi characteristic. I wonder if Dora will have the strength of character to decide to build instead?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: swapna on 28 Jul 2015, 04:34
am i the only one sick to freaking death of doras bratty attitude. its like wah  my brother has it easy because of natural talent.  wah my friends want to bone him wah.
And of course "Grrr! He hits on my friend and employee, on my business premises*, during the working day, in an extremely creepy, entitled, and inappropriate manner." That, after all, is what Dora means when she says that Sven burned the bridges with her. To describe her view as a "delusion", an observer presumably believes that it did not happen, or that his behaviour was acceptable, or that he has some sort of right to be judged indulgently by his sister regardless of how he behaves. And in-universe, apparently even Sven does not believe that.
She also forbade Raven to hit on him. Recap: Raven asked her to introduce them, and she threatened Sven with violence. Okay, she also threatened Raven, but she forbade them to flirt/hook up even though they weren't at her shop and, again, none of hers. She flipped out when she heard that Faye hooked up with him, even though that happened entirely on their private time. She set up a situation where Sven was supposed to ask out the girls at the coffee shop, and when Hanners accepted, she got angry. None of the women were coerced, they acted very much out of their own initiative, and what they do in their private lives and who they share their bed with is none of their bosses business.

Dora crosses boundaries all the time, and Sven even helped her enforce her bullshit rules to stay in good terms with her. Sven crossed a big one with Faye, but Faye handled it on her own, and wouldn't even have told Dora about it - she heard it from somebody else.

I wanted to write something concerning pride and apologies, but BenRG, again, put it better than I ever could. BEEENRRGGGGGGG
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: SubaruStephen on 28 Jul 2015, 04:36
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
This thought came to mind for me, as well.
Especially since she's previously been reluctant to try Taco Bell. Not sure why she'd consider Arby's to be less terrifying.

Because despite how it tastes, Arby's serves actual food?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Jul 2015, 05:22
Everyone say it together,
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e1UZ3bM1DQc/VbcOriJI_TI/AAAAAAAACU8/eLY1XZbE-P8/s800-Ic42/Glaring.png)
Thankyew. That was the first thing I thought as well.

Quote
In other news... Okay, in the same news, Sven makes creepy comment and the deathsquads march. Hanners makes creepy comment and it's okay? Because Beatrice would probably utterly ruin the life of anyone if Hannelore asked her to.

It strikes me as a pretty symmetrical bit of boundary crossing, being examples of things both of them probably would have done in the past, without considering all of the consequences. Both are now at a point where they do think about the follow on from what they do but haven't quite fit that into the rules of polite conversation.
So you're saying she crossed the line twice? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 05:27
Sven's line was eyeroll-inducing, not much more.

Hanners is helping a friend (Sven), even if another friend (Dora) gets helped by result.

Also, I would say that Sven may think he deserved to have the bridges burned, but he would probably still rightly say that Dora burned them.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 28 Jul 2015, 05:37
Given how boring and mundane the specials board now appears to be.  I suppose it's pretty obvious who was responsible for all the  "Punch in the head, so you can call in sick"  listings
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 05:40
I wouldn't call "sausage latte" boring or mundane.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 28 Jul 2015, 05:47
So you're saying she crossed the line twice? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice)

Chess set... so wrong. Can't stop laughing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 28 Jul 2015, 05:48
None of the women were coerced, they acted very much out of their own initiative, and what they do in their private lives and who they share their bed with is none of their bosses business.
How far should respect for another person's personal autonomy make you keep quiet when they're doing something you think ill-advised? This topic has come up before:

I get that Dora is trying to look out for Hanners given Sven's past... but I don't like how she says "... but you can go." acting like it's actually her place to give permission. They are all adults and hanners can do whatever the hell she wants, screw Dora's bs paranoia. While I may be biased because of my long time dislike of Dora, it would annoy me if any other cast member acted this way too.
Hmmm... Personal autonomy is all well and good, but let us try a thought experiment. Imagine your friend, who had never driven a car before in her life, was proposing to take a Shelby Cobra (http://www.limit4000.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shelby_cobra_427_1967.jpg)* at high speed down a wet mountain road. Would you really just think "Meh... She's a grown-up, entitled to make her own decisions," and wave her off? Or try to talk her out of it?

Sven's background is that of a serial philanderer, with serious honesty, personal accountability, and self-control problems, who is (as far as Dora knows) unreformed, and who's shown that he's willing to seriously hurt her friends. Friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends care enough about friends to try to talk them out of dangerous behaviour.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Jul 2015, 06:01
None of the women were coerced, they acted very much out of their own initiative, and what they do in their private lives and who they share their bed with is none of their bosses business.
How far should respect for another person's personal autonomy make you keep quiet when they're doing something you think ill-advised? This topic has come up before:

I get that Dora is trying to look out for Hanners given Sven's past... but I don't like how she says "... but you can go." acting like it's actually her place to give permission. They are all adults and hanners can do whatever the hell she wants, screw Dora's bs paranoia. While I may be biased because of my long time dislike of Dora, it would annoy me if any other cast member acted this way too.
Hmmm... Personal autonomy is all well and good, but let us try a thought experiment. Imagine your friend, who had never driven a car before in her life, was proposing to take a Shelby Cobra (http://www.limit4000.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shelby_cobra_427_1967.jpg)* at high speed down a wet mountain road. Would you really just think "Meh... She's a grown-up, entitled to make her own decisions," and wave her off? Or try to talk her out of it?

Sven's background is that of a serial philanderer, with serious honesty, personal accountability, and self-control problems, who is (as far as Dora knows) unreformed, and who's shown that he's willing to seriously hurt her friends. Friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends care enough about friends to try to talk them out of dangerous behaviour.

I REALLY don't think your analogy is accurate. Hanners has reservations herself, it would be closer to a 'friend who can't drive taking a motorized scooter down a hill."

i agree, Sven's been a dickhole, but the whole staff is AWARE, so add that the driver of the car has been warned THOROUGHLY of all the shit to watch out for, and given fair warning. At that point, Dora doesn't get a say, because it's not her that's getting involved.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Somnus Eternus on 28 Jul 2015, 06:34
Yo, but...Arby's, though.

I'm sure there's lots of awesome discussion about Sven going on, but...Arby's.

How is that not worth at least three pages of psychoanalysis, curly fries aside?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 28 Jul 2015, 07:58
Yo, but...Arby's, though.

I'm sure there's lots of awesome discussion about Sven going on, but...Arby's.

How is that not worth at least three pages of psychoanalysis, curly fries aside?

I'd be up to psychoanalyze Hanners' liking for curly fries if I didn't agree with her.

As it stands, curly fries are tasty, end of analysis.

There is little else to say.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 28 Jul 2015, 08:13
Sometimes a curly fry is just a curly fry.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrudd on 28 Jul 2015, 08:22
And then there is what is actually served.
Do not read if you have a delicate constitution.
Curly Fries:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Welu on 28 Jul 2015, 08:38
Mm, delicious chemicals. I really want some Arby's now.

Genuinely though, I'm pissed there aren't any in Ireland.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 08:40
I'm not sure if I've ever actually been to Arby's.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Welu on 28 Jul 2015, 08:42
Method, has your avatar always had mysterious shapes in it?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 08:43
Ever since I changed it to this one, yeah. It's a .gif, the pup is trying to get the stick across the bridge, the shapes represent his mental calculations.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Welu on 28 Jul 2015, 08:45
Ah! I didn't get that, but I have seen the video of the pup getting over the bridge with the stick. Somehow never saw the shapes before.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 08:54
I haven't seen the video but I wouldn't be surprised if the shapes were added in for the gif.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Tobimaro on 28 Jul 2015, 09:00
Mm, delicious chemicals. I really want some Arby's now.

I like their Reuben sandwich. Yes, I know that it is not a true Reuben. But I like it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 28 Jul 2015, 09:05
Now I want a Jamocha shake.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 09:12
Mm, delicious chemicals. I really want some Arby's now.

I like their Reuben sandwich. Yes, I know that it is not a true Reuben. But I like it.
What IS a true Reuben? The ingredients look right (although I'd get it without the dressing because ew).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: swapna on 28 Jul 2015, 09:55
None of the women were coerced, they acted very much out of their own initiative, and what they do in their private lives and who they share their bed with is none of their bosses business.
How far should respect for another person's personal autonomy make you keep quiet when they're doing something you think ill-advised? This topic has come up before:

I get that Dora is trying to look out for Hanners given Sven's past... but I don't like how she says "... but you can go." acting like it's actually her place to give permission. They are all adults and hanners can do whatever the hell she wants, screw Dora's bs paranoia. While I may be biased because of my long time dislike of Dora, it would annoy me if any other cast member acted this way too.
Hmmm... Personal autonomy is all well and good, but let us try a thought experiment. Imagine your friend, who had never driven a car before in her life, was proposing to take a Shelby Cobra (http://www.limit4000.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shelby_cobra_427_1967.jpg)* at high speed down a wet mountain road. Would you really just think "Meh... She's a grown-up, entitled to make her own decisions," and wave her off? Or try to talk her out of it?

Sven's background is that of a serial philanderer, with serious honesty, personal accountability, and self-control problems, who is (as far as Dora knows) unreformed, and who's shown that he's willing to seriously hurt her friends. Friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends care enough about friends to try to talk them out of dangerous behaviour.

Yeah, worrying for Hanners I can understand. I can even understand Dora getting over-protective and overstepping her boundaries there, even though I can't support it. But Raven? Raven is the girl who (according to your analogy) does half-legal high-speed-races with a modified car with rockets on it, and Dora forbids her to go out with Sven (and the other way around). And with Faye she was furious, as if this was somehow a personal betrayal - it was definitely not because she was worried.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Tobimaro on 28 Jul 2015, 10:08
Mm, delicious chemicals. I really want some Arby's now.

I like their Reuben sandwich. Yes, I know that it is not a true Reuben. But I like it.
What IS a true Reuben? The ingredients look right (although I'd get it without the dressing because ew).

It's Arby's version of a Reuben. I am certain that there are purists out there who would tell me what a proper Reuben sandwich should be like. Sadly, in my part of the USA, there are no such places that serve one. I only have the large chain eateries like Arby's or Penn Station.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Random832 on 28 Jul 2015, 10:19
So does anyone have a quick recap on what exactly happened with Sven? People have some pretty strong opinions on whether whatever it was was really his fault or whatever, and... well...

:psyduck:

Seriously, though, I can't remember anything at all.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Jul 2015, 10:23
So does anyone have a quick recap on what exactly happened with Sven? People have some pretty strong opinions on whether whatever it was was really his fault or whatever, and... well...

:psyduck:

Seriously, though, I can't remember anything at all.

- Declares love for Faye in fairly Nice Guy fashion
- Baffled that this fails
- Dora calls him an asshole for being so insensitive to Faye when her and Angus are on the rocks, cuts him out of her life
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Random832 on 28 Jul 2015, 10:27
- Declares love for Faye in fairly Nice Guy fashion

You know, at this point I half think "Nice Guy" just means "anything I don't like", since actually clearly stating your feelings is exactly the opposite of what a lot of people (hell, for all we know it's something Sven heard that led him to this) call "Nice Guy" behavior.

See e.g. xkcd (https://xkcd.com/513/)

----

Anyway, now, so I can see both sides of it, does anyone who is claiming it wasn't his fault and that Dora was overreacting have a recap of their versions of events?

Why do they add it when they cook in it?

Hang on, did you think it was on the list for some other reason than the fact that they cooked in it? All fried foods list the grease/oil as an ingredient.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Jul 2015, 10:40
He declared his love for Faye and then expected her to fall into his arms entirely on the basis that he thinks Angus is an asshole. Lots of folks dispute whether he even actually loves her, I would say that is quintessentially Nice Guy. 'I told her I loved her and her boyfriend is a douche, what more does she want???'

Anyway, his defenders say he was simply being honest about his feelings and Dora overreacted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Welu on 28 Jul 2015, 10:45
The issue isn't that he stated his feelings, it's that he thought doing that alone would be enough to make Faye leave her current boyfriend for him. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2753) Also as Steve says, sometimes honesty isn't the best policy.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Double edit:

Back to today's strip, I'm really disappointed in Dora that after the practice-date thing where Hanners insisted she had fun and Sven was respectful, that her first comment about him is asking if he made a pass at Hanners. It's not only insulting to Sven, but also to Hanners' judgement of character.
I think Dora's built an image of Sven in her head that makes him out to be more malicious rather than oblivious to his good fortune, which is supported by actions he has done. Although she uses those negative times to override the times he isn't a douchenozzle.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 11:34
Anyway, his defenders say he was simply being honest about his feelings and Dora overreacted.
What would I be, then? I think it was a shitty thing for him to do and that Dora overreacted.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 28 Jul 2015, 11:44
Anyway, his defenders say he was simply being honest about his feelings and Dora overreacted.
What would I be, then? I think it was a shitty thing for him to do and that Dora overreacted.
An iconoclast?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 11:48
That seems cromulent.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 28 Jul 2015, 12:13
I wasn't trying to embiggen your ego, there.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 28 Jul 2015, 13:45
Now I want a Jamocha shake.

Their Orange Dream shake isn't too bad.

...and I thought their schtick was the potato cakes, not curly fries?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Mr. Skawronska on 28 Jul 2015, 14:21

How far should respect for another person's personal autonomy make you keep quiet when they're doing something you think ill-advised? This topic has come up before:


Mine is "until I run out of popcorn and schadenfreude."

And curly fries are awesome.  Just gotta say that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: foolsguinea on 28 Jul 2015, 14:47
These last two days are interesting to me. I know who these characters are, and care, but I wonder if there are newer fans who are puzzled. This takes me back to that comic Jeph used to do before the present adventures of Marten and Claire, and boy-Claire and the weird girl from Marten's workplace.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: CaptainFish on 28 Jul 2015, 15:01
I really hope we get to see Dora and Sven talk (or argue or fight). I've never been quite able to parse Sven's weird overly dense attitude when he told Faye he loved her. It felt incongruent with how he usually acts, but since we see so little of him, it's hard to tell.

I know you shouldn't show everything, but I would've loved seeing Dora tell Sven she's cutting him out of his life just to hear him talk about his actions with someone he actually cares about. The debrief with Steve just kind of doubled down on his attitude.

I guess it seemed a little strange to me that Sven went from being mopey, lonely and introspective to thinking life would be like a romantic comedy for himself. I mean, he's used to getting what he wants, but I thought he was more realistic about it in the past. His creepy line to Hannelore felt like it came from the same mold though, so maybe that's just how he is now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 28 Jul 2015, 15:01
I'm not sure it's been That long sine we last saw Dora and Hannelore. Sven, it's been a while.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Jul 2015, 18:09
I don't really think Hanners wants her Mom to buy CoD and turn it into an Arbys

In some way I can understand Doras attitude towards Sven.  After all, she's had a lifetime of dealing with his shtick, and what happened was likely the straw that broke the Camels back, but in some ways I think she's also behaving a little immaturely about it.  She really does need to talk to Sven at some stage, but I think she may wind up talking to Faye before that happens.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 28 Jul 2015, 18:10
They were Svan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svan_language) and Mora (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_%28linguistics%29).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: St.Clair on 28 Jul 2015, 18:12
It's interesting that Hannelore eats fast food.  Given some of the stories about fast food food, whether they're true or not, you'd think she'd be paranoid about eating those products.
This thought came to mind for me, as well.
Especially since she's previously been reluctant to try Taco Bell. Not sure why she'd consider Arby's to be less terrifying.

Because despite how it tastes, Arby's serves actual food?

And despair.
Both fill you; neither satisfies.
Arby's (https://twitter.com/nihilist_arbys).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Stanistani on 28 Jul 2015, 18:38
Now I want to see Svan and Mora eating some Spathe Ham.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 18:39
Nothing reconciles siblings like space ham.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BlueFatima on 28 Jul 2015, 20:25
I know this story is supposed to be cute and feel-goodish (how can it not be when Hanner is involved), but it continues this myth that 1) estrangements are unjustified/bad (keep in mind almost all stories that cover estrangement put this out), and 2) outsiders should get involved to stop estrangements.

That's not really a good idea. First off, outsiders can actually make things worse between estranged family members (unless the outsiders are trained in professional mediation). 

Second, most of the time, when someone has to make a shitty decision like walking away from their family, it's not over some stupid or petty misunderstanding. Either severe mental illness is involved (either from the person who walked away or the ones who were estranged) and/or the person who got out had a damn good reason.

I wish artists/authors would take a more mindful approach when covering the subject of estrangement. I respect whatever direction this particular story takes (it's really up to Jeph), but I think I'm just going to have to step away and come back later. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 28 Jul 2015, 20:36
I don't see how estrangement (at least in this case) isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 28 Jul 2015, 21:33
It's the things we DON'T say that hurt the most - especially when it get to be too late.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Concordian on 28 Jul 2015, 21:37
I really do hope they reconcile, Sven is kind of a jerk but he hasn't done anything worth disowning your brother over.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 28 Jul 2015, 22:15
The whole thing was really about Mora's friend Raye.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: jmucchiello on 28 Jul 2015, 22:19
Yea, the funny things on the chalkboard are back!!!! Woot.


Yes, that's the only reason I'm posting.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: electromgneticDstroyosaur on 28 Jul 2015, 23:04
I want to change my answer to a Sven and Faye drunk Vegas wedding.   It would be interesting to see them both hit rock bottom, and that seems like a reasonable (?) way of doing so.

>inb4 "Faye went to the hospital"  Let me say from personal experience that a hospital trip is not always a solid indicator of rock bottom, especially if relapses happen shortly thereafter.
>inb4 "Sven lost family ties"  Well we haven't really ever seen Sven have to work for something, and the very idea fails to enter his mind at this point.
>inb4 "You're a sadist"  Yes.  Yes I am.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 28 Jul 2015, 23:26
The real lesson of today's strip is this: Hannelore's inner reality of the future is a place of sunshine, flowers, rainbows and unicorns. As well as Hanners herself living in a castle and only communicating with her friends with written notes, but I digress... :-P

If nothing else, this strip shows that Hanners' intervention was spontaneous. If it were otherwise, I think that she would have thought of answers to Dora's petty niggling questions!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 28 Jul 2015, 23:28
While I appreciate your points, Akima, and while I also think Ben might be a little half-cocked on that definition of friendship, this does smack of Dora lashing out at the Image of Sven in her head, rather than dealing with the Sven in front of her. Especially going from Doll Reconciliation to Exile.

The funny thing is, while in a more perfect world they wouldn't have come to this, this may be something similar to what they both need, in the mid-term. It's implied that Dora's never went this far before, so perhaps this distance will help her exorcise the Image that hangs over her fear. And as for Sven, well, a few more kicks in the ass to remind him what the stakes of life are might not be the worst medicine he could be prescribed.

It's probably an injustice if this holds forever, if the wound never heals. But for now....eh. Sometimes we open up sores, so they don't seal up with infection.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ohitsjustwill on 29 Jul 2015, 00:12
I'm finding it hard to understand why Hannelore cares so much about Sven at the moment. I understand her motives are geared more toward Dora's happiness, but Dora's shown no signs she needs Sven back in her life. Therefore, I'm at a complete and utter loss as to why Hannelore wants Dora to start talking to Sven again.

Also, Sven's last appearance made me hate him even more. The man-bun...it's...ugh. I've never met a dude who wore a man-bun who wasn't also a colossal asshole, and oddly enough, the description of my experiences with man-bun-wearers fits Sven to a T.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 29 Jul 2015, 00:40
Ever since I changed it to this one, yeah. It's a .gif, the pup is trying to get the stick across the bridge, the shapes represent his mental calculations.

Ages ago, I had a conversation with somebody working on getting a computer to solve essentially the same problem - moving a very long ladder through a confined area filled with obstacles.

You construct in 3D a representation of all the allowable positions of the ladder - two dimensions for position and a third for angle. You can then treat this as a 3d maze and solve it for the shortest path through. Assuming there is a connected path and you can do it. If not you just have to saw the ladder in half.

Well I found it interesting. Thought I'd share.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jul 2015, 01:18
I'm finding it hard to understand why Hannelore cares so much about Sven at the moment.

Because he's her friend and has always been the perfect gentleman to her.

She's facing a situation where two of her friends - Sven and Dora - are both obviously unhappy and feeling isolated. She's trying to help because, to her, that is what friends do.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Skewbrow on 29 Jul 2015, 02:10
For a while Monday's strip made me think that Sven may be moving out of town. There's a U-haul van in the background after all. Apparently it was just traffic on the street. Hanners would know and migt have given the news to Dora by now.

Ever since I changed it to this one, yeah. It's a .gif, the pup is trying to get the stick across the bridge, the shapes represent his mental calculations.

Ages ago, I had a conversation with somebody working on getting a computer to solve essentially the same problem - moving a very long ladder through a confined area filled with obstacles.

You construct in 3D a representation of all the allowable positions of the ladder - two dimensions for position and a third for angle. You can then treat this as a 3d maze and solve it for the shortest path through. Assuming there is a connected path and you can do ii. If not you just have to saw the ladder in half.

Well I found it interesting. Thought I'd share.

Somehow I think this should be turned into a video game. Multiple levels + time constraints. Many variations in the rules are possible.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 29 Jul 2015, 02:35
Or, more completely:
- Has an affair with Faye
- Cheats on her with another woman, driving Faye away.
- Declares love for Faye in fairly Nice Guy fashion
- Baffled that this fails
- Dora calls him an asshole for being so insensitive to Faye when her and Angus are on the rocks, cuts him out of her life

Dora' bullshit-o-meter pinned in the red zone in the final panel.

I once walked into an Arby's in Chicago, and asked to see their vegetarian menu (http://arbys.com/vegetariansupport). What? D'you think Arby's is world-famous or something? I'd never heard of the place.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 29 Jul 2015, 02:52
I have no clue what Arby's is and I dont care. Pretty used to Hollywood movies expecting me to know all kinds of things, such as how Baseball works, that doesnt bother me much anymore.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Wildroses on 29 Jul 2015, 03:41
I never got the impression Dora cut Sven out purely because of telling Faye loved her, that was just the final straw of a lot of incidents that individually wouldn't have made Dora decide estrangement was the way to go, but all together made estrangement seem an attractive option.

I think it speaks well for Hannelore's character that she is refusing to pick sides and staying friendly with both sides of the estrangement, and also for Dora and Sven that they are not forcing her to pick, and I really hope that in the coming strips I will not need to add a 'yet' to that sentence.

But trying to get involved with reconciling them is a terrible idea. BlueFatima spoke the reasons very eloquently on the last page. But at the same time I am not surprised Jeph is showing Hannelore trying to reconcile the Biachis as it is, alas, fully in character. Hannelore can be quite naďve socially and hates it when relationships change in her social circle. She cried when Dora and Marten broke up and cried again when Faye made it clear she would not be attempting to get her job back.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 03:54
I watch, and enjoy, anime and foreign films, which constantly have things in them from cultures I don't live in. Some I understand from other sources, others I haven't the faintest clue about. I rather expect that.

I keep seeing this thing where non-Americans complain about Hollywood movies being culturally American, and it's just baffling to me. I really don't get a lot of stuff that comes out of Bollywood. I don't feel entitled to an explainer. The stuff that gets into the market here is doing as much to try to extract money from me as Hollywood is you, but the producers didn't have me in mind when they made the film.

Meh.

I do find it interesting that Dora's point of view on her brother is largely considered to be suspect by the readership. We've seen just the barest hints of what Sven was like before Faye, but that thin evidence (plus his post Faye introspection attempts) is considered more real than Dora's assessments of his character and his general agreement with those assessments. It goes to prove, I suppose, the wisdom of "show, don't tell."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 29 Jul 2015, 03:54
You construct in 3D a representation of all the allowable positions of the ladder - two dimensions for position and a third for angle. You can then treat this as a 3d maze and solve it for the shortest path through. Assuming there is a connected path and you can do ii. If not you just have to saw the ladder in half.

Swop the ladder for a sofa, and you have a sub-plot of Douglas Adams's book: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 29 Jul 2015, 04:50
BlueFatima, those are first-rate points, thank you.

There are some people here who have had to amputate toxic family members. It can be vital to do so and not something for well-meaning outsiders to butt in about. The people here had dramatically better reasons than anything we have seen yet from Dora.

We don't know yet whether Jeph is advocating the idea that reconciliation is always a good thing.  He might be, but it's sufficient explanation if he is just illustrating Hannelore's character. It's like when she tried to encourage Faye to re-apply for her job.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jul 2015, 05:00
Faye has a better job now, though. A much better job. I hope she doesn't hide it from Marten for long.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 05:03
We don't know if it's a better job. We just have hints it is one she's more suited to.

Better is going to imply greater satisfaction or similar satisfaction and greater compensation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jul 2015, 05:10
Faye has a better job now, though. A much better job. I hope she doesn't hide it from Marten for long.

I suspect that, possibly at her employers' request, Faye is going to keep her new job secret or at least dissemble about what she's actually doing and for whom. Marten will eventually get suspicious because it's difficult to maintain a secret occupation for long periods with a close friend and room-mate not suspecting anything. Worried that she's in trouble, he covertly follows her to work and we get his POV of the robot fighting leagues.

It is possible that Jeph will have Marten suffer an ethical dilemma on his part between supporting Faye's choices and a personal moral distaste of her employer's business.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jul 2015, 05:26
I honestly don't see why a reasonable person would have any moral distaste of the business, considering the basically indestructible brains they have.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 29 Jul 2015, 06:11

I keep seeing this thing where non-Americans complain about Hollywood movies being culturally American, and it's just baffling to me. I really don't get a lot of stuff that comes out of Bollywood. I don't feel entitled to an explainer. The stuff that gets into the market here is doing as much to try to extract money from me as Hollywood is you, but the producers didn't have me in mind when they made the film.



Doesn't *quite* pan out like you'd think; Hollywood has pushed more and more intentionally, and relied upon, international markets for some time now. And thus have driven the international market for quite a while as well. Probably since close to the inception of movies as a thing, now that I consider it.

There's some interesting reading on it here and about, particularly in the context of more recent movie offerings that can be argued that their manufacturers are leaning a little more on other cultures to make their money (Bay's Transformers movies, the remake of The Karate Kid, etc.).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Jul 2015, 06:20
Faye has a better job now, though. A much better job. I hope she doesn't hide it from Marten for long.

I suspect that, possibly at her employers' request, Faye is going to keep her new job secret or at least dissemble about what she's actually doing and for whom. Marten will eventually get suspicious because it's difficult to maintain a secret occupation for long periods with a close friend and room-mate not suspecting anything. Worried that she's in trouble, he covertly follows her to work and we get his POV of the robot fighting leagues.

It is possible that Jeph will have Marten suffer an ethical dilemma on his part between supporting Faye's choices and a personal moral distaste of her employer's business.
That's an interesting idea. He may even go to Momo about it, and she might decide to get involved...

I honestly don't see why a reasonable person would have any moral distaste of the business, considering the basically indestructible brains they have.
An outsider like Marten doesn't necessarily know about this, though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jul 2015, 06:23
Which is why I think Faye should tell him about it and make a case for it before he finds out otherwise.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 29 Jul 2015, 06:25
Or maybe put it into perspective even. "These dudes are armor-plated. We regularly throw Pintsize at a dented wall and nothing's happened to him, they're barely scratching themselves. Also, meet Bubbles, Pintsize's new partner in crime"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 07:08
Doesn't *quite* pan out like you'd think; Hollywood has pushed more and more intentionally, and relied upon, international markets for some time now. And thus have driven the international market for quite a while as well. Probably since close to the inception of movies as a thing, now that I consider it.

There's some interesting reading on it here and about, particularly in the context of more recent movie offerings that can be argued that their manufacturers are leaning a little more on other cultures to make their money (Bay's Transformers movies, the remake of The Karate Kid, etc.).

It's still an export of an American movie. American movie. Look up why Big West Bandai intentionally makes no effort export Macross beyond Japan. It's very much part of the Anime business to look at international options. The specific case I mentioned has everything to do with some potentially shady legal business that went down in the 1980s before international anime was a standard business idea.

Every producer of media is looking or hoping for an international audience. Hell, Jeph is an international business. While he certainly doesn't do it often in your face, the comic is not only American, but it's straight up small town Massachusetts. Stuff happens or is shown, all the time in QC that makes no sense to anyone who doesn't live in the area.

Your example of Bayformers is instructive. There's a scene where human bad guys get into fisticuffs with some random dude. That scene makes no particular sense beyond random Chinese fight to everyone but Chinese people, where random dude is a famous boxer. That's almost pandering, when you think about it. But China is a Billion and half people with disposable income. The movie is still stuffed with Americana right up until it moves to China, and I expect there's a lot more than just that one scene of Chinese-specific that makes no sense to anyone else not Chinese there.

Like I said, it don't bother me none. Hell, China has produced some of my favorite stars who did their best work in Chinese (Hong Kong) films full of stuff that makes no sense to me, not being from Hong Kong (Chow Yun-Fat). BFD. I'm still not sure why American films, in particular, have to waste time explaining things, any more than Jeph needed to explain in detail the townie or Wicked-as-intensifier gags. But I guess that's me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: tangerinewarrior on 29 Jul 2015, 07:18
Also, Faye doesn't need to give all the details. She can just say, "I'm doing some welding work," and leave it at that. Hell, Marten even suggested she get into that line of work.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Jul 2015, 07:31
For a very long time Sven has been Dora's insecurity complex made manifest. You know how people like to talk about whether Claire and Clinton have a good sibling relationship? Sven and Dora absolutely don't. And really, it's all on Dora's side. Sven has never shown himself to be more than doing typically sibling teasing (hiding a favorite doll that sort of thing). And when Dora need him, he was there. Dora on the other hand seems to blame Sven directly or indirectly for most of the bad stuff that happened to her growing up. In fairness it seems they had the 'golden child/pale shadow' relationship going on with their parents where Sven was the favorite. And he has pretty much coasted through life obliviously. Making ridiculous amounts of money for very little work that he then complains about, but can't be bothered to change. Absurdly easy time with women and just generally everything Dora was jealous of growing up. She feels that Sven has been just given everything she had to fight for and doesn't appreciate it. So there's always been a lot of jealousy and animosity there.

I also suspect there's been romantic rivalry between them as well. Rivalry in the sense that Sven often wound up with girls that Dora lusted after, through no real effort of his own. That's why him hitting on/dating her friends and employees is such a sore subject. It's something that's happened to often before. Sven on the other side seems far more clueless than malicious. I wouldn't say anything he does is out of mean spiritedness. He's genuinely a good person.. he's just had to easy a life and doesn't know how to deal with people. As I said at the time, his ideas of how romance work seem more in tune with romantic comedy movies than real life. "I confessed my love to Faye. Why didn't she drop her boyfriend and come with me? That's how it works, right?"

I understand why Dora cut ties with Sven. It's just the wrong decision, and unfair to everyone around them. It's just another of Dora's way of not dealing with her issues and insecurities, and finding someone else to blame.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 07:53
To put it in Temarian terms, "Sven and Marten, in the bathroom."

Amazing how useful that strip is lately.

The point being, in reference to my earlier "show, don't tell" comment, Sven's behavior in 669 through 680+ is typical of him pre-Faye. I think it is harsh and overly mushy-feel-good-hug-it-out to say that a decade of Sven's MO, especially wrt to people Dora cares about, is just jealousy.

What Sven tried to do to Genevieve, he has (per Dora) done to more than one of her friends. The only reason he didn't do it to Faye was that she knew what he was, and managed to guilt him into being honest about his actions.

Maybe it's unfair of Dora to view Sven through his past actions, but even his reformed self has been less than Emily Post. Dora likely is acting out of her own damage. Most people are. But that doesn't mean Sven's actions wouldn't constitute too much for a self-actualized Dora as well. As Genevieve said, he's a dick. Because for most of his life, that's exactly what he's been.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 29 Jul 2015, 09:00
That's an interesting idea. He may even go to Momo about it, and she might decide to get involved...
An outsider like Marten doesn't necessarily know about this, though.

I'm fairly sure Momo, the exemplar "goody-two shoes helper AI" and Corpse Witch would not get on very well.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 29 Jul 2015, 10:34
To put it in Temarian terms, "Sven and Marten, in the bathroom."



I had to think about that one for a moment, you sneaky Trekker you.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Jul 2015, 10:52
That's an interesting idea. He may even go to Momo about it, and she might decide to get involved...
An outsider like Marten doesn't necessarily know about this, though.

I'm fairly sure Momo, the exemplar "goody-two shoes helper AI" and Corpse Witch would not get on very well.
Yeah, by "get involved" I was thinking along the lines of "try to shut it down."
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 29 Jul 2015, 11:30
It just came to my mind that there WAS a dude up on the space station that looked like knockoff Sven.

New headcanon is that the story is actually true and the names are just awfully unfortunate. Also, Svan is the girl.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 29 Jul 2015, 11:59
And not-Sven on the station was redheaded. Given what we know about Claire's dad, it wouldn't surprise me if his last name turned out to be Augustus.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 12:58
Now it's just got silly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Jul 2015, 13:23
I'm finding it hard to understand why Hannelore cares so much about Sven at the moment.

Whether it's part one in a plan or just a subconscious thing I imagine it's more about Dora and Faye.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: de_la_Nae on 29 Jul 2015, 13:52
Maybe. I don't know what's difficult to believe or understand that she may just be setting out to be kind to someone who, as far as we have seen, has only shown her kindness.

No matter his other deeds, after all, in the story even Dong Zhuo had a mourner, to whom he had showed a kindness in the past.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 29 Jul 2015, 14:28
Hannelore's experience with Sven is as a charming, attractive man who treats her with respect and is considerate of her boundaries.

While she has protective of friends reasons to be upset with him, she also considers him a friend. She's not fully confident in how social interaction is supposed to work, so she would be likely to listen to his side of the story before having her mother disappear him. Sven's side of the story has, pretty consistently, been "I fucked up." For all of her quirks and issues, Hanners is the most accepting member of the cast. Even without the charm, she'd be predisposed to forgive. With it, did she really stand a chance?

Keep in mind, for most of the time since he and Faye ended (that we have evidence for), Sven has been celibate, and generally inward looking, and self-critical. He's been bad at it, but Hanners is bad at life, too.

I'm sure this friendship is a retcon, but it is also a sensible one, given their history. Hanners is the first woman Sven has really treated as just another person. I suspect they have a strange form of mutual respect and are genuinely friends. Sven is Hanners's first date. Experiment or no, it was a good experience for the both of them.

I'm sure Hannelore is fully aware of Sven's shortcomings, but I think her emotional reaction to him is more akin to his defenders on the forum. She's intellectually aware, but she hasn't really seen it in action. It's not visceral to her.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 29 Jul 2015, 18:51
Comic's up.

Momo is not very fast.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jul 2015, 18:52
Hell, even I'm faster than that!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 29 Jul 2015, 19:09
Hell, even I'm faster than that!

I was going to say something about how it's a kilometer-to-miles conversion in there, but apparently, that means she's got a top speed of 3.7 mph. For some reason, I thought it was faster. I'm partially paralyzed in my right ankle, and my average walking speed is about that.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 29 Jul 2015, 19:12
250 milliamps? Holy shit, Momo.

Her shock mechanism looks like it's got a good 2 feet of spark gap at least, in the old chassis: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1474

Assuming a needle as the electrode (which is a best-case)... we're talking over 300 kV.

Momo's "self-defense" weapon could be straight-up deadly, at significant range, with that much current. (The typical rule, IIRC, is 50 mA is enough to stop the heart, and 50 V across dry skin is enough voltage to get that 50 mA across the heart.) Also, if she can deliver a 75 kW pulse for a decent amount of time... you'd think she has the power supply to move a hell of a lot faster than 6 km/h.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 29 Jul 2015, 19:13
That's a typo. It's actually km/s. Momo is almost, but not quite, capable of orbit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 29 Jul 2015, 19:18
For a burst of speed however, she can take her head off and throw it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Jul 2015, 19:18
Hell, even I'm faster than that!

I was going to say something about how it's a kilometer-to-miles conversion in there, but apparently, that means she's got a top speed of 3.7 mph. For some reason, I thought it was faster. I'm partially paralyzed in my right ankle, and my average walking speed is about that.
I'm hoping to sustain a pace of six miles per hour for my half marathon in two months. I'm so not preparing as much as I should, but either way I can definitely reach six km/hr :parrot:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: T on 29 Jul 2015, 19:58
Hell, even I'm faster than that!

I was going to say something about how it's a kilometer-to-miles conversion in there, but apparently, that means she's got a top speed of 3.7 mph. For some reason, I thought it was faster. I'm partially paralyzed in my right ankle, and my average walking speed is about that.
I'm hoping to sustain a pace of six miles per hour for my half marathon in two months. I'm so not preparing as much as I should, but either way I can definitely reach six km/hr :parrot:
Six km/h is just walking speed, not even walking fast. It is slower than those electric scooters for old people.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Mobility_scooter_zoo.jpg/300px-Mobility_scooter_zoo.jpg)
It would makes more sense for her to have better movement speed than beign an electric pokemon for self defense. be able to move faster would be useful against many more dangers.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 29 Jul 2015, 20:25
Her left kneecap is rude as hell though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 29 Jul 2015, 21:38
250 milliamps? Holy shit, Momo.

Her shock mechanism looks like it's got a good 2 feet of spark gap at least, in the old chassis: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1474

Assuming a needle as the electrode (which is a best-case)... we're talking over 300 kV.

Momo's "self-defense" weapon could be straight-up deadly, at significant range, with that much current. (The typical rule, IIRC, is 50 mA is enough to stop the heart, and 50 V across dry skin is enough voltage to get that 50 mA across the heart.) Also, if she can deliver a 75 kW pulse for a decent amount of time... you'd think she has the power supply to move a hell of a lot faster than 6 km/h.

I suspect Jeph really means 250 volts. It takes very little current to stop the heart. You need that kind of voltage to get through the skin. So if you must work live, it's a good idea to keep one hand in your pocket.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 29 Jul 2015, 23:10
Actually, the 250mA has been canon even before she upgraded her chassis:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1995
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 29 Jul 2015, 23:22
The only thing that I really want to know at this point is under what context Momo learnt that she's a terrible dancer.

Regarding the maximum speed thing, I'm sure that is her walking speed. Running is rude as well as a potential safety hazard. Besides that, the forces jolting her components may invalidate her warranty!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Pilchard123 on 29 Jul 2015, 23:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugebzq3juE
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 30 Jul 2015, 00:10
That's a typo. It's actually km/s. Momo is almost, but not quite, capable of orbit.

Station pulled a few strings to get Momo that chassis so she could get Hanners to him in a pickle.


Sven and Dora: No matter how Sven acted, I just don't see how any of that is about Dora? Faye being angry, yes okay, although they never said they were exclusive and his love confession was really just stupid, not malicious.

And his relationships with other women are entirely his own thing and if he didn't lie to this women I see nothing wrong with it? Some people just like casual hookups and don't want a relationship.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 30 Jul 2015, 00:30
I'm more baffled by her stair-climbing ability. How is going up 3 flights of stairs exhausting? I can probably do twice that without breaking a sweat, and she's a robot.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Storel on 30 Jul 2015, 00:40
Okay, I had never even heard of a "man bun" before Monday's strip, so I was wondering if it was just a Northampton thing. But lots of other people here seem to have strong opinions about them, so I guess it's more widespread than that. (Surprisingly negative opinions, too.) So I just googled for images of it, and found many many many more than I expected. Interesting. I guess if I watched more TV and movies I'd have heard about them before.

Weird thing is, some of the examples look kind of vaguely similar to what I've been doing with my hair. See, due to a number of factors I won't go into detail about, I haven't gotten around to getting my hair cut for, well, probably close to a couple of years now. And it's gotten long. Longer than I've ever had it before, and I spent five years in high school and college trying to grow it long, and it would never get past barely touching my shoulders. Now that I've been completely ignoring it, it's well past my shoulders and down my back. I mean, not way down my back, like Fabio, but down to my shoulder blades at least.

And it's hot. We keep the temperature fairly warm in the house anyway, because my wife and my mother are both very susceptible to cold for differing reasons, and that much hair is a surprisingly good thermal insulator. So my neck and upper back got hot and sweaty, and I started tying it back in a ponytail. But the ponytail still falls far enough down to get my neck hot and sweaty, so I started using the ponytail elastic thingy to tie up the end of the ponytail into something that looks vaguely like a half-hearted bun, just to keep it off my neck.

Is this a man bun??? Am I a completely unknowing example of this thing? I'm sorry, I didn't know!!
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Thrillho on 30 Jul 2015, 00:56
Every trend has the few that get sadly dragged along by mistake - the man bun is more than a hairstyle, it is an insignia, along with appalling tribal tattoos.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jul 2015, 01:35
Thinking about it, I'm wondering if the APex 7M chassis is being used outside of its normal intended function. Maybe the APex was designed for a relatively sedentary occupation like receptionist-bot or PA-bot. Actually walking around, going up and down stairs and the like were not part of the intended function of the chassis. As for running? Forget about it!

P.S.
I just wanted to add that I really liked the art in Monday's strip. It did an excellent job of communicating a busy street scene with a lot of movement behind Sven and Hannelore as they walked along the road. Maybe I'm not as discerning as others but I've got to say that I've never seen the art problems that others have claim to have detected in Jeph's visual work of late.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 30 Jul 2015, 02:44
Though would she have to shut down for head removal? If not, she could do an awesome Marie Antonette at fancy dress parties.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 30 Jul 2015, 03:24
But wouldn't be easy for her to download a program to llearn to dance?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 30 Jul 2015, 03:52
The lack of dancing ability, the low movement rate, and the poor stair-climbing ability may all be related. I'm suspecting that there are significant design flaws in the legs of that chassis.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Akima on 30 Jul 2015, 04:22
Momo dancing. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1738)

Six km/h is just walking speed, not even walking fast. It is slower than those electric scooters for old people.
Yeah, but those scooters are capable of well above walking pace (depending on the model and speed setting). Many are capable of over 10km/h (around 3m/s), leading to questions about their safety on pedestrian footpaths. I can walk six kilometres in an hour (three laps of a 2km circuit round streets near my home, as measured with my bicycle GPS), but it is definitely a brisk walk for me.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 30 Jul 2015, 04:24
I argued previously that uploading new skill to an AI in the QC verse is nontrivial.

Think of it this way. A baby is basically a blank slate, though that's not quite accurate.  The human brain does not fully wire until 4 months after birth (this makes sense. Our brains are friggin huge, and having them finish growing after they've passed through mom's  bits is actually reasonably nice to mom. Our oversized heads still cause issues there, but I can only assume they would be worse if we had even bigger heads). So that baby is more like the ingredients to make a blank slate.

The tricky bit is that there are pretty much no instructions on how to make the slate or what to write on it. There are rules. If A then B. Amazingly, these simple rules generate enormous complexity. The notable thing about that complexity is that it is all that baby's. Yours is totally different.

Let's say you could copy your brain to software. It would then be a faithful electronic avatar of you. Let's say you also had a copy of my brain. If you could identify the patterns in my brain that represented my wicked keen knowledge of ISO 9001, and put them in your avatar, the result wouldn't make a damn bit of sense. Because those representations are unique to me. It's a software code that only makes sense in my "OS."

But let's take a physical skill. Let's say we could abstract it somehow so that your avatar was simply given the instructions on how to move. Your brain is holographic. The only way to get that info in there as an innate skill would be to be able to read and understand your OS. But the only thing that can read that is you, or an exact copy of you. So the high-level abstraction would be about as good as a youtube video of how to do that thing. The only way you could learn to do it is by practice.

Consider the psychedelic paintings created by Google's image search AI. It might be that the folks at Google have too much free time, but that's not the case here. Image search is a group of neural networks. These networks are self-organized. All they had were simple rules. They programmed themselves. No one knows exactly how they do what they do. The image creation thing was a means to test what they know. Sure, if you ask the AI to find pictures of dogs, it does a fairly good job. But what does it think a dog looks like? The only way to know was to ask it to draw pictures of dogs (or more accurately, give it a picture of random noise and tell it, "There are dogs here. Find them," then each neural net layer does its level best to find the dogs, with layer 1 feeding its output to layer 2 and so on). One of the interesting results they got was that AI thought that dumbell weights had human arms attached to them.

Let's say Bing has it own, home grown net. And that net knows that dumbell weights are two masses connected by a pole of some kind and that human arms are something else. Even if you could isolate exactly what code "knows" this and give it google's AI, google's couldn't use it. To learn that arms are not dumbells, it has to practice the art of finding dumbells in arbitrary pictures that contain dumbells.

That Momo can't DL "dance" (which was a skill I used as an example, and one assumes she would to remove her secret shame) implies that she's a neural net and that no one understands her program. If we assume that there is an Ur-Momo, that she is copy of, then we must assume that the self-organizing method she uses to think and learn rewrites her network such that any copies of her would rapidly become unique people who can no longer share schemas.

Getting into odd spaces, we know she has drivers. It might possible to execute code that would tell her drivers to dance for her, but then she would not be dancing. She'd be a puppet in her own body. I'm guessing that AIs in the QCverse find that distasteful, if it is even possible.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 30 Jul 2015, 07:18
Actually, since dancing is mostly about technique only, if Momo had a normal processor aside from her neural net, she can download programs into that quite easily.

The normal processor would then be able to give her positive or negative response, depending upon how well or not so well she would dance, thus enable her neural net to learn dancing - quite quickly, most likely. She would have a "perfect" teacher that could correct any error.

The normal processor could also do general computations much faster than her neural nets, so its reasonable to assume that she would have such a processor anyway.

Even human brains kind of have such a processor, though we cant use it for mathematical processing. Its the cerebellum. It contains a lot more computational cells than other parts of the brain, but its function seem to be much more automatized and mechanical, unable for creativity. Interestingly there are people who dont have a cerebellum who still seem to be able to live quite normally.

Once Momo would have learned the basics, she could turn the program off again and turn creative with her neural net.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 30 Jul 2015, 07:43
It's not that easy, though. Not because it couldn't be, in theory, but because we have a fact. Momo, like Phil Collins, can't dance (whether she can sing is unknown).

If self=aware AI existed, we could fully judge the realism of the assertion that this is an issue such that it is her secret shame. They don't, so it's still SciFi. So then we have to ask if it is plausible SciFi. Based on what we know about neural nets, it is.

Based on what we know about Momo's subjective experience of the world (she explained it) she doesn't actually have "computer speed" versus the human mind. She thinks as fast as we do.

So, while any of us could learn to dance (assuming working legs), even with a perfect teacher, it would take time.

Now, I would say that the fact that Momo can't dance suggests she doesn't have the means to perform the trick you suggest, but if she did, the evidence of QC would suggest that she would only have a slight advantage over a human in terms of learning speed. This would be an investment of time. As I argued wrt to robot welders, the evidence of QC suggests that AI are like us. They pick and choose what they want to invest time in, and it seems likely, secret shame or not, it actually not high on Momo's priority list to be a better dancer.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 30 Jul 2015, 07:58
Dancing perfectly to rhythm is a skill that can be taught and, one assumes, be encoded. Momo could indeed download a program to help her dance perfectly. However, it would look exactly what it is, a robot following a pre-encoded sequence of movements to a certain tempo. What she lacks (and a lot of people do) is the natural aptitude to dance from the heart.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 30 Jul 2015, 08:25
Actually, since dancing is mostly about technique only, if Momo had a normal processor aside from her neural net, she can download programs into that quite easily.

The normal processor would then be able to give her positive or negative response, depending upon how well or not so well she would dance, thus enable her neural net to learn dancing - quite quickly, most likely. She would have a "perfect" teacher that could correct any error.

This. I am actually a registered, Level One Snowboard instructor.   Teaching would be trivial if I could download into people's brains a program that did perfect carve turns. Then they could be a meat-puppet passenger observing the exact muscle movements and micro-weight shifts needed to get it all to work.

Without that, I'm reduced to things like - "knee apart, try to imagine there's a beach-ball between you knees,  now try to imagine you've got a really heavy shopping bag in your leading hand, and you're pushing your front knee out and putting the bag down next  to your front toe, while keeping your back straight." etc etc etc.  Essentially it's difficult to communicate to people how to do a lengthy series of subtle, hard to describe, motor actions.  And even if the instructor manages that, it's difficult for the inexperienced pupil to remember the sequence when barreling down the hill.

Actually, sometimes I think people really ignore me. And just work out how to start turning, and stop falling over by trial and error.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 30 Jul 2015, 09:16
I certainly believe it would help, but I still maintain that Momo's neural net would have wire in dance in a manner similar to mine. She could become better at it a little faster, but since she doesn't think faster that 100 hours of practice to reach basic, and 10000 hours to master become 90 and 9000 respectively.

To riff on ski instruction without talking about skiing, how much thought do you put into driving your car?

I don't put in any, myself. I buckle in, start her up and roll. If I want to turn, the car turns. Stop? It stops. There's actually a complex bit of signaling and feedback going on. That information is interpreted by skill I have. Skills I've developed over a long history of driving. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.

Wait, not those skills.

Anyway. The difference between a n00b skier and a level one instructor is probably the same. I mean, you've probably got a better level of skill. I'm actually pretty damned good at driving, but if spend too much time thinking about what I'm doing, I get in my own way. As an instructor, you can probably think about what you're doing without significant degradation in performance.

N00bs have to think about it. Even if they had instant kinesthetic sense download of what feels right, they still have to think their way through to that place. You don't. You can, as Nike said, just do it. Just like I just drive.

None of this even gets into the possibility that Momo's lack of skill is a consequence of the fundamental structure of her net. That she happens to be wired for two left feet, as it were. I still believe she could learn, but to suddenly replace that basic config with skill would necessarily turn her into a different person. Frankly, learning skill the human way changes humans into different people. But the change is gradual enough that a sense of continuity is preserved.  I'm not sure that continuity would remain if you could just upload a new mental map for "dance," especially if your basic map was shitty in that area. One has to ask why you are wired that way, and what it's doing for you.

Ultimately, I still think that, no matter what hack you come up with, there is only one way for Momo to overcome this lack. The same way any other human does. Because, AI or regular I, they are all human. At least mentally. I think that if you find a way to instantly load new maps into their nets, they would necessarily become someone else, pretty much instantly.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: T on 30 Jul 2015, 11:51
Momo dancing. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1738)

Six km/h is just walking speed, not even walking fast. It is slower than those electric scooters for old people.
Yeah, but those scooters are capable of well above walking pace (depending on the model and speed setting). Many are capable of over 10km/h (around 3m/s), leading to questions about their safety on pedestrian footpaths. I can walk six kilometres in an hour (three laps of a 2km circuit round streets near my home, as measured with my bicycle GPS), but it is definitely a brisk walk for me.

From about.com

Easy Health Walk: If you take an easy walk around the neighborhood or park, able to keep up a full conversation, use 3 miles per hour or 5 kilometers per hour as a rule of thumb.

Moderate to Brisk Walk: If you are walking at a determined to swift pace and breathing noticeably, use 4 miles per hour or 6.5 kilometers per hour.

Fast Walking: Fast walkers usually know their speed or have measured it. Racewalkers can walk 5-6 miles per hour or even faster. That is 8-10 kilometers per hour.

So she can walk faster than a relaxing walk in the park, almost as fast as a kid going to school but not as fast as someone late to work and certainly not capable of anything close to running.

She probably have a very light body lacking powerful electric motors. Probably as powerful as an adorable old lady
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Rghfrgl on 30 Jul 2015, 15:06
More like Slowmo

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 30 Jul 2015, 18:31
Argh. Comic is not-up. Meaning the page for the new comic is up, but the image isn't displaying.  :x
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jul 2015, 19:45
He posted it on his tumble thing.

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Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Penquin47 on 30 Jul 2015, 20:54
Seems to be fixed, worked just fine for me just now.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jul 2015, 20:55
No new AG though.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Jul 2015, 20:59
"Mouth is a white void, unclear how he ingests objects"

I love this one descriptor so much, it is unreasonable.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Game and Watch Forever on 30 Jul 2015, 21:02
So wait... only two of his appendages are meant for jacking off? I don't know if I'm more surprised or disappointed...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 30 Jul 2015, 21:14
So wait... only two of his appendages are meant for jacking off? I don't know if I'm more surprised or disappointed...

Personally, I'm disappointed that wasn't an afterthought added to literally every limb Pintsize could potentially use to pleasure himself, which is to say, every fucking one, because it's goddamn Pintsize, the Houdini of masturbation.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Omega Entity on 30 Jul 2015, 22:15
For all we know, he has hidden limbs explicitly for that purpose.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Wooloomooloo on 31 Jul 2015, 00:23
Actually, about that "Unclear how he handles and manipulates objects" - I'm pretty sure I do know how. You're not gonna believe this, but... using coffee! Turns out, a balloon filled with coffee conforms to most simple objects then hardens around them when you apply vacuum: http://phys.org/news/2010-10-robotic-gripper-coffee-balloons.html

...but how did Jeph know this so many years ago ?!? :-o
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 31 Jul 2015, 00:45
Actually, the 250mA has been canon even before she upgraded her chassis:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1995

It annoyed me then too. Canon and consistent, yes. That's not the same thing as being reasonable. 250 ma is laughable. 250 volts makes more sense. Not something I really want to debate, anyway. (I mean, shooting eels out of unspecified orifices?)

WRT today's comic, why don't we have a Pintsize T-shirt: "I am full of delicious porn" ?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 31 Jul 2015, 01:09
250 ma is laughable. 250 volts makes more sense.

250mA is deadly.  And as for the voltage, in high impedance situations she presumably provides what it takes!  250V is small beer.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: katsmeat on 31 Jul 2015, 01:27
I always figured his limbs were advanced versions of the coffee-ground manipulators that were announced a few years ago....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86G9DLJEagw

Probably would be quite good for spanking the USB port.

Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: snubnose on 31 Jul 2015, 02:51
250 ma is laughable.
Thats enough to kill a person.

About 1-5 mA is the sensation barrier.

About 5-10 mA are enough that you can no longer get rid of the cable shocking you. Its also the level at which it starts getting painful.

About 50-100 mA and your life is in danger, because the heart will start to fibrillate and you can no longer breathe.

About 200 mA will cause unconsciousness, severe burns and damage to internal organs. The heart will stop beating; on the bright site it also wont fibrillate anymore.

All these values are approximations because if you have stronger muscles, you can actually handle more shock and are better at fighting back. Thats also why men are on average can handle current better than women.

Also, AC is worse than DC.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: pwhodges on 31 Jul 2015, 04:24
Also, AC is worse than DC.

My understanding is that in practice DC was considered more dangerous than AC, because the muscles are more likely to seize up and hold on to the source of the shock rather than letting go.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Jul 2015, 05:13
Seeing the sparks being thrown in previous comics, I'd say sane values are 300 kV and 10 mA. Apparently police tasers are somewhere around 50 kV and 2.1 mA, FWIW, but Momo's system isn't just intended to incapacitate, it's intended explicitly to knock an attacker back.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 05:26
Obviously she shows restraint, but just because it's a ridiculous amount doesn't mean she's not capable of it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 31 Jul 2015, 05:36
Except she demonstrably doesn't show restraint.

See http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1474 - she fires the weapon in sheer annoyance at her companion. That's not a controlled reaction, and that's probably at full power. Marigold would have been dead if it weren't for her computer being a better path to ground, if she were capable of 250 mA.

While Jeph has shown a character plotting first-degree murder of her friends (Hannelore in 1576 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1576)), I really don't think Jeph would show a character attempting either second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter (1474 could go either way, although it'd likely lean towards involuntary manslaughter) of one of her friends. Therefore, Momo's not capable of 250 mA.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 05:51
I'm pretty sure that's not her full power.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Neko_Ali on 31 Jul 2015, 06:15
Oddly enough, you can take a swing at people out of annoyance without it being a lethal blow. And if it is intentionally that a civilian model chassis has an onboard weapon capable of lethal discharges I would imagine that it has safety precautions to prevent them from using full power without deliberately turning off those safeties. I personally would make it at least a two step process to increase the amperage. 'stun' to 'dangerous' to 'lethal'. That way even if you do get an accidental discharge it won't mean homicide. Also, computers are a lot more sensitive to electrical and static discharges. A shock that would barely register to a human can easily fry a motherboard, popping capacitors and releasing the magic smoke that makes it work.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 31 Jul 2015, 07:22
You're right, Spock. The local fauna might be more dangerous than I thought. Set Momos to stun.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: BenRG on 31 Jul 2015, 10:58
It's rare that I say it but... Didn't like it. Hurried, unfunny and a bit too self-referential.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 11:00
I agree with hurried, but the other two I don't agree (ok, it is self-referential, but not too self-referential). But to be fair I'll take this over nothing, considering he's busy with con shit.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 31 Jul 2015, 11:36
Got to agree with BenRG on a critical level. If you look at Bubbles, Momo, Pintsize as a three part gage, the joke peaked at Momo. Humor and a bit of the unexpected. Pintsize was utterly predictable.

Knowing nothing of what Jeph might say on the subject, May would have been a better choice, just because we know a lot less about her. Or Pintsize could work if there had been a point made (and one of the gags) that was unexpected, or twisted what we knew into a new shape. The theory of humor being the violation of expectation. Pintsize's spec sheet offered nothing new and nothing from a new POV.

That's a purely critical look, given an artist, myself. As a producer of art, I know how fucking hard it can be to spit out regular high-quality stuff, and I acknowledge that this is free stuff. That said, I don't think being critical of whether the joke was sold or not is actually incompatible with otherwise supporting the joker. In fact, I suspect it's a good thing when not taken to the point of malice. And In my limited time here, BenRG has proven to be far from malicious. Rather he's what I'd call a super fan, in a carefully thought out way.

That's just my POV.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 12:02
Yeah, I can support that. Also, I sincerely hope that my post wasn't taken as telling him off for doing so (and I certainly hope nobody took it as speaking as a mod), I just happened to find it kind of amusing as a silly follow-up gag.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: ReindeerFlotilla on 31 Jul 2015, 12:07
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply you were telling him off. I just got on a roll with the idea that you can criticize what you love and still respect it in the morning.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 Jul 2015, 12:23
Of course! And I didn't mean to imply that you were...ok, this is going to go in an infinite courtesy loop if I don't cut this off here, haha. But yeah, we're all good :)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jul 2015, 15:26
*Draws line underneath*

I think that this one may have been a bit rushed on Jephs part.  It's funny, but it's not up to his usual standard.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 31 Jul 2015, 15:33
So this one was below average. Big deal. It happens once in a while. The flip side of that is that every once in a while we get something epic like "I END MESSES." (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1416)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jul 2015, 15:48
That's why I think it was a rush job.  It's good, but not as good as it could have been.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: wlewisiii on 31 Jul 2015, 18:48
Better a dull pintsize drawing than Yelling Bird.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 31 Jul 2015, 19:58
250 ma is laughable. 250 volts makes more sense.

250mA is deadly.  And as for the voltage, in high impedance situations she presumably provides what it takes!  250V is small beer.


Skin resistance is in the megaohm range, so yeah, once you have enough voltage to get through that, it doesn't much matter what the current is. Car batteries can put out AMPS -- does that make then super dangerous? (Not from a shock standpoint but they should still be treated with respect. If your watch shorts a couple of wires, you can get it welded into a solid band while it's still on your wrist.)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 31 Jul 2015, 20:28
Skin resistance varies wildly. If you hold the leads of an ohmmeter tightly, loosely, or while sweating, you'll get order of magnitude differences.

If it were in the megohm range, though, household voltages wouldn't be dangerous.

It's the legal aspects that I wonder about. She's carrying a concealed deadly weapon in Massachussetts. Did she need a permit, or has the law not caught up to the idea of people whose bodies are tasers?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Kugai on 31 Jul 2015, 22:21
I think Momo is capable of varying the amperage of the charge anyway.

Anything from "That Tickles' to "Smoking Pile Of Goo On The Floor"
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 31 Jul 2015, 23:54
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: jwhouk on 01 Aug 2015, 05:40
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.

Which she may have done at one time or another.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Aug 2015, 05:58
They chased it out of the apartment, hitting Angus in the face with a couple of brooms in the process. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1487)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Stoutfellow on 01 Aug 2015, 08:10
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.

In most jurisdictions, this is called "concealing evidence".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Aug 2015, 08:35
They chased it out of the apartment, hitting Angus in the face with a couple of brooms in the process. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1487)
Then later Momo finished the job (on every squirrel in the neighborhood) and the meat was made into tacos (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1623).
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: DSL on 01 Aug 2015, 17:43
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.

In most jurisdictions, this is called "concealing evidence".


Verily, 'tis said a friend will help you move, but a good friend will help you move a body.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Aug 2015, 19:44
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.

In most jurisdictions, this is called "concealing evidence".


Verily, 'tis said a friend will help you move, but a good friend will help you move a body.

This is how friends go to jail, adding a whole new dimension to 'friendship.'
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Aug 2015, 20:13
Rule #1:  Don't get caught.  That's why we have quicklime. 
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 Aug 2015, 20:14
Skin resistance varies wildly. If you hold the leads of an ohmmeter tightly, loosely, or while sweating, you'll get order of magnitude differences.

If it were in the megohm range, though, household voltages wouldn't be dangerous.

It's the legal aspects that I wonder about. She's carrying a concealed deadly weapon in Massachussetts. Did she need a permit, or has the law not caught up to the idea of people whose bodies are tasers?

The megohm resistance of your dry skin protects you from casual stupidity. Even in parts of the world where household voltage is 220 V. (Like Australia.) Bleh. This conversation bores me. Let's have a contest:

Your T-shirt says "Danger! 250 Milliamps!"
My T-shirt says "Danger! 250 Volts!"
Let's see who gets the laughs.



Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: cesium133 on 01 Aug 2015, 20:17
I'd wear a shirt that read "Danger! 100 kilo-electron volts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray)!" but people would see through it.  :claireface:
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Perfectly Reasonable on 01 Aug 2015, 21:01
Before anybody gets the wrong idea, I will say that electricity is DANGEROUS and SHOULD NOT BE MESSED WITH. If you are drunk/stupid and grab a live wire, you will go OW! as your galvanic muscle response throws you out of danger. But if it is high voltage AC, you may NOT BE ABLE TO LET GO, and if the current path is through your heart, YOU WILL BE DEAD.

The fact that the Authorities allow Momo and other AIs with her capablities to mingle with fleshlings shows a high regard for her ethical responsiblity. Or maybe They are just grossly ignorant.

So just what is Pintsize's p0rn capacity? Measured in metric Internets?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 01 Aug 2015, 21:08
Perhaps Momo has a license for her zap o' dhoom.  Obviously, Pintsize and May shouldn't even be allowed to have that capability.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: chaospersonified on 01 Aug 2015, 21:24
I'd wear a shirt that read "Danger! 100 kilo-electron volts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray)!" but people would see through it.  :claireface:

Thank you so much for including the link. We need more people like you.
Perhaps Momo has a license for her zap o' dhoom.  Obviously, Pintsize and May shouldn't even be allowed to have that capability.
I dunno... Pintsize shouldn't, that's not debatable, but May's so far been more a big-mouthed smart ass with white-collar criminal tendencies. Not nearly the same destructive behavioral tendencies unless I'm forgetting a thing.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Nepiophage on 02 Aug 2015, 06:11
So just what is Pintsize's p0rn capacity? Measured in metric Internets?

96 petabytes
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 02 Aug 2015, 22:36
Yelling Bird, nooo!

It's the end of an era...
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: electromgneticDstroyosaur on 02 Aug 2015, 23:08
And Momo is polite enough to clean up said pile of goo if she has to do it.

In most jurisdictions, this is called "concealing evidence".


Verily, 'tis said a friend will help you move, but a good friend will help you move a body.

This is how friends go to jail, adding a whole new dimension to 'friendship.'

Involving rear USB ports, no less.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: hedgie on 03 Aug 2015, 03:11
He's not using that one any more due to the tentacle he made Winslow gift to Momo.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 03 Aug 2015, 05:16
Although according to the alternate strip, it was totally worth it.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: dexeron on 03 Aug 2015, 06:04
Dude.  Saturday was Rush's final concert.  Dr. McNinja's final story starts today.  Jon Stewart's last show is Thursday. 

And then I find out that this is the last Yelling Bird.

Everything I like is going away.

EDIT: And then I replied to the wrong thread anyway.  Life is a cruel mistress.  (T▽T)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 03 Aug 2015, 07:05
Reminder that one of the members of the Rolling Stones died short ago.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2015, 07:37
Wait, what? Who? When?
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 03 Aug 2015, 08:16
I think it was the drummer like a month or so ago. Since I'm Spanish and we're always too soon about stuff like that in here, that same afternoon twitter was flooded of people talking about "welp, then THAT one was the last of their concerts".
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2015, 08:19
No, Charlie Watts is alive and still active as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: bhtooefr on 03 Aug 2015, 08:20
Hoax: http://en.mediamass.net/people/charlie-watts/deathhoax.html
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Zebediah on 03 Aug 2015, 08:20
No, Charlie Watts is alive and well. It was a hoax. http://en.mediamass.net/people/charlie-watts/deathhoax.html (http://en.mediamass.net/people/charlie-watts/deathhoax.html)
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Aug 2015, 08:31
I didn't even hear the hoax, which made this all the more concerning.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: osaka on 03 Aug 2015, 08:49
Ok, thx for confirmation. Got to the news here and wasn't, you know, debunked.
Title: Re: WCDT Strips 3011-3015 (27 - 31 July 2015)
Post by: QuestionableIntentions on 03 Aug 2015, 22:48
Aww, crud. Looks like Bubbles is one of those "forced" to fight.