I think that the reason most fans assume Rey is Luke's daughter is because the whole franchise hangs on the chronicles, misadventures and mis-steps of the Skywalker family as well as how these affect the wider galaxy.
One thing tho, about Ray's parents, is that they've set it up as a big reveal now. If it turn out she was just left by some random, unimportant parents, that would feel pretty much like a letdown at this point.
One thing tho, about Ray's parents, is that they've set it up as a big reveal now. If it turn out she was just left by some random, unimportant parents, that would feel pretty much like a letdown at this point.
On the other hand, if it turns out she was left by Luke, as practically everyone on the planet is predicting, that would hardly be a "big reveal."
I'll take what's behind door #3, thanks. It won't be Luke, but that doesn't have to mean it's someone unimportant.
Some thoughts I had while watching the trailer for the umpteenth time:
1. According to the news that came out of the Star Wars Celebration panels, the desert planet, Jakku, is the sight of an old battle between the Empire and the Rebels/New Republic, and is littered with wrecked ships as a result.
2. Daisy Ridley's character is a scavenger on Jakku.
3. The two clips we see of the Millennium Falcon in the original teaser and the official trailer also show it on Jakku, engaged in a dogfight with TIE fighters and fleeing from a single fighter, respectively.
4. The official trailer also shows Daisy and John Boyega's characters running from a TIE fighter attack.
5. The clip of the Falcon shows it flying into the massive engines of a crashed ship--something a pilot, even one as daring as Han Solo, wouldn't be reckless enough to do (especially with a ship the size of the Falcon) unless he was familiar enough with the lay of the land--as Daisy is.
6. The two interior shots of the Falcon show BB-8 peeking around a door and, later, Han commenting to Chewbacca that they're "home."
So it's probably safe to assume that the Falcon was damaged in the Battle of Jakku and abandoned, and was later found by Daisy's character, who managed to fix it up and get it in working condition (as much as can be expected) by the time John Boyega's character comes along and they're forced to flee from the Imperial forces that are chasing after him--meaning Han and Chewie don't step foot on the ship until much later in the movie.
That's probably been obvious to everyone else from the beginning, but hey, I thought it was a cool idea. I bet I'm right, too. And how great would it be to see Daisy's character scrounging for parts on Jakku, then walking into a makeshift spaceship hanger where an aged and battered, but still beautiful, Millennium Falcon is sitting there waiting for action?
I actually liked the thing where the Falcon kind of appeared "out of the blue". It allowed for some small amount of surprise even though we knew it was going to turn up.
I get what you're saying about the crawling laser thing, but to be honest I was kind of annoyed that there was a death star at all. Of all the repeted elements of the film, that was the one that kind of bugged me. I want to write in and say "PLEASE NO MORE DEATH STARS." Surely by now, the empire/first order would have figured out that they're on a losing strategy building death stars with increasingly-easy-to-blow-up critically vulnerable spots.
I'm gonna throw in a curve ball and say she's a descendant of Obi Wan. It would explain why the British accent, if anything :P
Lor San Tekka I don't think we'll ever really find out who he was. A friend of the Skywalker/Solo family would be my guess. Someone entrusted with the final piece of the location to the map where Luke was going to be. As a guess, I'd say he's an ex-Imperial or member of the old Rebel Alliance who had access to Imperial records. He stole that map fragment, and offered the information to Luke as a place to go, or maybe because something important was there. Luke left him and R2 with instructions to turn the info over to his family when the time was right and he was needed again, or some such. All of what happened with the timing was to convenient to be coincidence. I think Luke forsaw this. Which is why in the end he didn't look surprised when Rey showed up with his old lightsaber.
George Lucas has strongly criticised The Force Awakens (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/movies/george-lucas-criticizes-latest-star-wars-installment.html) as being 'retro', unoriginal and derivative, noting that it rehashes many of the things that he dislikes about the original trilogy.
I watched it with my girlfriend, who detests Harrison Ford, so she left pretty happy.
Is she happy because Ford won't be in future Star Wars films? That's the only interpretation I can think of that makes any sense.
George may have created the franchise that I love so much, but it's clear it was a fluke on his part, and if he were to do it now I wouldn't give it a second glance.
Is she happy because Ford won't be in future Star Wars films? That's the only interpretation I can think of that makes any sense.
Precisely so.
Lucas lost credibility with the Prequels and, as far as I'm concerned, has lost all right to criticise what Abrams has done, and I'm not really a big fan of JarJar Abrams anyway considering what he did to Trek.
She largely prefers the prequels to the originals.Obligatory "what do you see in her?" :p
It was fun, it was amusing, the battles were good, but the story itself was very minor.
Re: all the discussion about Phasma -
Because Finn was unconscious at the end of the movie, that their storylines are going to intertwine again. Part of me has a feeling he's going to be a little confused when he wakes up and all that stormtrooper brainwashing might come back OR that she's just going to be like Boba Fett and just have an obsession with finding Finn and correcting his beahvior.
A lot of this movie, while awesome, was based in properly introducing the characters and left a lot of questions unanswered. It was fun, it was amusing, the battles were good, but the story itself was very minor. "Where's Luke?! Oh hi kids, you do some stuff. Oh hey, we found Luke."
I don't know if I've already said it, but it felt like this one was mostly a set-up for the next (at least) two.
It was fun, it was amusing, the battles were good, but the story itself was very minor.
Welcome to Star Wars. You should try the original trilogy too, it's cool.
Now that I think about it, they never showed the Death Star enter hyperspace. How did it get from system to system? Space is unfathomably big.
That might be intentional to make the coincidences more palatable. Also I think it all takes place in a single galaxy.
That might be intentional to make the coincidences more palatable. Also I think it all takes place in a single galaxy.Galaxies are 10s, if not 100s, of thousands of light years across.
Well, yeah, I know, but that's nothing compared to the distance between galaxies.Han Solo refers to making the jump to light speed.
@Benergy - Does hyperdrive go FTL or just take a shortcut? I thought it was the latter.
Well, yeah, I know, but that's nothing compared to the distance between galaxies.
@Benergy - Does hyperdrive go FTL or just take a shortcut? I thought it was the latter.
They might be able to reach light speed, but not surpass it.Well, yeah, I know, but that's nothing compared to the distance between galaxies.Han Solo refers to making the jump to light speed.
@Benergy - Does hyperdrive go FTL or just take a shortcut? I thought it was the latter.
Han Solo: I wasn't there for you when I should have been, and for that I'm sorry. But I'm still your father, and I love you.
Kylo Ren: I know (stabs)
How do you aim a weapon made out of a planet? Do you just wait until it rotates to the position you want? And that doesn't take into account the fact that space is three dimensional. What about the z-axis?maybe they used the force
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Now that I think about it, they never showed the Death Star enter hyperspace. How did it get from system to system? Space is unfathomably big.
Maybe I should just accept "The Force" as the default response to any unanswered questions in the film seriesRandall: I wonder why the light sabers only go yea high, what stops them from going on forever?
Although it is no longer canonI find it interesting how quick people are to accept what is and isn't canon just on Disney's word. I never really considered any of the books canon (at least not movie-level canon), but Disney can't make those books not matter. At most they can say that the old books were their own canon, but they're still Star Wars, and the movies were never bound to the books anyway.
Although it is no longer canon
I find it interesting how quick people are to accept what is and isn't canon just on Disney's word. I never really considered any of the books canon (at least not movie-level canon), but Disney can't make those books not matter. At most they can say that the old books were their own canon, but they're still Star Wars, and the movies were never bound to the books anyway.
So people are suggesting Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. If that's the case, why can't she be the daughter of Obi-Wan's daughter and Luke Skywalker?
Why Lupita Nyong’o Didn’t Want To Be Seen In “Star Wars” (http://www.buzzfeed.com/kelleylcarter/lupita-nyongo-didnt-want-you-to-see-her-face-in-star-wars?utm_term=.maB3d7Zk9q#.yyQbxdrGJp)
I was originally disappointed that Lupita Nyong'o was playing a CGI character, but I didn't realize that it was her decision. Disappointment rescinded.
why can't she be the daughter of Obi-Wan's daughter and Luke Skywalker?
1. What was Lucas's story about?
2. And why the hell didn't he make them himself, if his ideas were (supposedly) so much better?
In her vision when she touches the lightsaber, one of the last things I heard among the mess is Obi-Wan (with a very Alec Guinness style voice) quite calmly saying "Rey..."
The only official romantic relationship with which Obi-Wan is linked is with another Jedi, Siri Tachi, who died during the Clone Wars, about 3 years before Luke and Leia were born."official"?
I'm guessing it's from the books. Honestly, I don't know what Disney is considering canon for the new trilogy, so... :-\ I don't know what is and isn't "official" in terms of story, because, well, it's been taken on by a lot of people now.
I'm guessing it's from the books. Honestly, I don't know what Disney is considering canon for the new trilogy, so... :-\ I don't know what is and isn't "official" in terms of story, because, well, it's been taken on by a lot of people now.
nope, clone wars TV show, which is still canon.
Pretty much the original movies, rebels, clone wars, and a few concepts here and there are canon after the Disney acquisition. Everything else is no longer canon. An example of a concept is Darth Revan did exist according to the new canon but the events that took place in KotOR are not.
I was just thinking – and please, correct me if I’m forgetting something relevant – but does Finn even know about Rey and her Force-sensitivity / Jedi potential?
He was outside the temple when she had the vision and talk with Maz, he got knocked out before she picked up the lightsaber to fight Kylo Ren. …Is he going to wake up in the infirmary and receive a huge shock when she’s not only gone, but gone to train with Luke freaking Skywalker?
(and then my brain starts wondering if he’d feel a little uneasy about it despite himself, because his experience thus far with Force users is all through Kylo Ren and Snoke and mind control tricks are maybe a little too close to reconditioning – I just think it would add a really interesting tension to their relationship)
(Source (http://sackett-and-katz.tumblr.com/post/137359024372/i-was-just-thinking-and-please-correct-me-if))
Clone wars was rough to start for me. Very cheesy.
I've only seen the movie-pilot, and while I've heard it gets better, that was atrocious. Also no amount of Disney execs are going to make me think non-movie stuff is movie-level canon.
FN-2199I believe you mean TR-8R :parrot:
FN-2199I believe you mean TR-8R :parrot:
Small edit: FN-2199 and the rest of the training squad was actually in the 'Before the Awakening' anthology book about the main character's lives before the events of the movie. So apparently it was in from the start. But I don't think they knew it would be as big as it turned out.
Small edit: FN-2199 and the rest of the training squad was actually in the 'Before the Awakening' anthology book about the main character's lives before the events of the movie. So apparently it was in from the start. But I don't think they knew it would be as big as it turned out.
Really? Obsessing over details like this is kind of what Star Wars nerds do. Look at that scene again and tell me that they didn't intend that character to become hugely popular. I don't believe it for a moment.
Saw the movie tonight. Finn is NOT aware.
No one's quite sure if that's a thumbs up or a middle finger from BB8
One of the difficult things with animating something like that is you have to be very careful that it doesn’t look like he’s giving you some other sort of gesture! We moved all the pieces around to make sure it was very clearly a thumbs-up over any other kind of ‘salute.’
Including Ahmed Best apparently. He's on record to refuse to play him ever again... I kinda feel bad for him though, having acted possibly the most hated character ever...
Well I saw it as a middle finger and that's my head cannon.
No one's quite sure if that's a thumbs up or a middle finger from BB8
Yeah, I took it more as a threat than a thumbs up. Didn't Finn stumble back after BB-8 did that?
Everyone hates Jar-jar.Less so since the Darth Jar Jar interpretation came into existence.
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Everyone.
We did several different prototype ideas of what that could look like, and we had various amounts of metal and plastic on there,” added Patrick Tubach, another ILM visual effects supervisor for the film. “One of the difficult things with animating something like that is you have to be very careful that it doesn’t look like he’s giving you some other sort of gesture! We moved all the pieces around to make sure it was very clearly a thumbs up over any other kind of ’salute.'
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In the context of the film itself, BB-8 is helping Finn after he pleads with him to do so. Giving him a negative gesture after their interaction would make no sense.
QuoteIn the context of the film itself, BB-8 is helping Finn after he pleads with him to do so. Giving him a negative gesture after their interaction would make no sense.
BB-8 could still be mad/exasperated. I mean, Finn did kinda put him on the spot.
Now that I think about it, they never showed the Death Star enter hyperspace. How did it get from system to system? Space is unfathomably big.
No, we all know that he is her father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
Because I would like to be surprised by the next film. Ideally, the truth would be something no-one else thought of, but I'll happily settle for something I personally hadn't thought or heard of.If they address it from the get go or casually then I don't think it would be a problem. I am excited for them to now take the story in a new direction and that 7 was just to establish the new universe and the whose who.
Imagine how much less of a fan favourite Empire Strikes Back would be if everyone had seen the key plot twist coming.
New Rogue One trailer up...I teared up
Even if I did believe in word of god (which I famously don't), he apparently clarified that with something to the effect of "as far as she knows". So it might be Luke, it might be not Luke.
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What would that retcon?
And judging by the trailer for Rogue One, they're featuring yet another giant spherical super-weapon.
I know I shouldn't even try to think rationally about "science" in space-opera, but from a film-making point of view, it kicked me out of the story, making me think: "Wait... What? Is all the action taking place in a single solar system like Firefly, or something?" It made the Star Wars galaxy feel small, when surely that's the opposite of what should happen.
Abrams clearly has no idea how big space really is.
Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
Abrams clearly has no idea how big space really is.Quote from: Douglas AdamsSpace is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
Hey, watch this planet explode from the surface of another planet, ain't it great.
That sounds very much like an explanation that was made up after the complaints were made.To be fair, they've been doing that since the beginning with the bullshit "parsecs" excuse, which I still don't accept.
Oh no, but you see it works like this!
That sounds very much like an explanation that was made up after the complaints were made.
Oh no, but you see it works like this!
Even in fantasy, it's still very important to keep the internal logic straight, and to make things as realistic as possible while still being able to have the fantasticalelements you wish to include.
I was talking about fantasy fiction in general..